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18:47.33 | eduprey | lkcl: anything exciting happening @ the factory this week? |
18:49.38 | eduprey | so hard waiting for the first board to exist |
18:52.05 | lkcl | tell me about it. |
18:52.10 | lkcl | no not yet. |
18:52.17 | lkcl | bari has to do the layouts. |
18:52.44 | lkcl | ellen's actually been ill so hasn't focussed on working out the best connectors / parts |
18:59.43 | eduprey | lkcl: ah, no worries, sometimes things take time -- will try not to be so impatient :) |
18:59.50 | lkcl | :) |
19:01.19 | eduprey | lkcl: is there any way I can contribute software wise? I suppose I pretty much need to get an a10 tablet to do anything just yet (maybe reverse engineering SD card / USB boot stuff) |
19:01.50 | lkcl | yes that would help enormously - picking the same tablet that mnemoc has would do even better |
19:02.22 | eduprey | lkcl: do you remember which one he has? |
19:02.26 | eduprey | mnemoc: ping |
19:02.45 | lkcl | naah, but look on ibot.rikers.org and go through the logs (that's what it's there for) |
19:02.53 | mnemoc | eduprey: ? |
19:02.55 | lkcl | see irc title |
19:03.00 | lkcl | ahh he's here anyway. |
19:03.11 | lkcl | pokes mnemoc |
19:03.21 | mnemoc | me? I'm always here... I don't have a life |
19:03.33 | eduprey | mnemoc: still need help with the sd card stuffs? what tablet do you have? |
19:03.45 | lkcl | lol |
19:03.58 | mnemoc | eduprey: aura fy-l1 |
19:04.17 | eduprey | I need a tablet anyway to port webos to :) |
19:04.30 | mnemoc | there are better ones |
19:04.44 | eduprey | mnemoc: figured I could get started reverse engineering the sd card boot code stuff |
19:05.04 | mnemoc | eduprey: that would be awesome... but you don't need to buy the same junk I did :) |
19:05.16 | eduprey | mnemoc: ah they all use same format? |
19:05.20 | mnemoc | there are some with 1GB of ram |
19:05.36 | mnemoc | eduprey: according to hipboi they are all the same in the guts |
19:05.38 | eduprey | mnemoc: what was that web site again that sells them? |
19:06.19 | mnemoc | there are a bunch, aliexpress sells many models... but that's more like an ebay (many sellers) |
19:06.37 | eduprey | mnemoc: also would it help if I ran the windows software to make an SD card and dd'd you an image? |
19:06.40 | mnemoc | myefox also has many models |
19:06.54 | mnemoc | eduprey: that would be great, sure |
19:07.37 | mnemoc | http://www.myefox.com/icoo-d90w-a10-ultrathin-android-4-0-tablet-pc9-7-inch-capacitive-screen-dual-camera-p-323119 <--- sexiest a10 tablet I've seen yet |
19:10.16 | eduprey | mnemoc: how long to ship to US though generally? weeks? |
19:10.49 | mnemoc | for anything bought on those cn/hk shops expect 3-4 weeks |
19:11.20 | eduprey | hmmm |
19:12.14 | eduprey | mnemoc: yeah that one looks decent esp with $50 coupon |
19:13.54 | mnemoc | in the mean time this is the home of mine http://www.lyxfsz.com/cn/products_view.htm?id=24 |
19:14.07 | A2Sheds | http://hothardware.com/News/Details-Emerge-About-the-Spark-LinuxBased-Tablet/ |
19:14.17 | A2Sheds | anybody contact them yet? |
19:14.36 | eduprey | A2Sheds: ugh 512MB, what are these people thinking? |
19:15.51 | eduprey | A2Sheds: what's interesting worth caring about these guys when cheaper A10 tablets are available from china? |
19:16.07 | A2Sheds | just more devs |
19:17.13 | eduprey | "A: Yes, we are aware of such great projects as Rhombus Tech's work with Allwinner on their A10 chipset. (I have an A10 device on my desk right here, actually, and have been evaluating it for a few months.) There is more than just a chipset at play to make a tablet, but it's a critical first step. We're also aware of the Mali open source driver initiative, and take our hats off to Codethink... |
19:17.15 | eduprey | ...and Luc for that!" |
19:18.12 | eduprey | A2Sheds: at least it's more ARM and Mali devs, even if not A10 (not sure why not) |
19:20.23 | A2Sheds | http://toronto.kijiji.ca/c-buy-and-sell-computers-7inch-A10-Android-2-3-Super-Tablet-PC-AllWinner-A10-video-chat-W0QQAdIdZ338537890 |
19:21.24 | A2Sheds | http://www.mixeshop.com/all-winner-a10-4gb512mb-tablet-pc-7-inch-capacitive-12ghz-android-23-hdmi-2160p_p995.html |
19:23.00 | eduprey | A2Sheds: ah nice, the canada one could potentially be here fast |
19:23.09 | A2Sheds | http://www.ecrater.com/p/13701443/novo-7-advanced-android-tablet |
19:23.50 | A2Sheds | Tennessee are they still in the US? |
19:24.20 | A2Sheds | Buy from us, get it this week, |
19:25.00 | A2Sheds | http://www.ecrater.com/p/13789807/ainol-novo-7-allwinner-a10-android-23 from China but they take paypal |
19:26.11 | eduprey | A2Sheds: yeah the canada one looks to be a decent deal at $110 + shipping |
19:28.08 | A2Sheds | http://www.globaloverseasdistributors.com/collections/frontpage/products/7inch-a10-android-2-3-super-thin-tablet-pc-allwinner-a10-capacitive-camera-hdmi-wifi-3g-video-chat |
19:28.57 | A2Sheds | they have a few different models |
19:31.26 | A2Sheds | only 512MB ddr2 :( |
19:31.30 | A2Sheds | ddr3 |
19:31.48 | mnemoc | I've only seen one model with 1G |
19:31.51 | eduprey | yeah this http://www.myefox.com/icoo-d90w-a10-ultrathin-android-4-0-tablet-pc9-7-inch-capacitive-screen-dual-camera-p-323119 is the only one I've seen with 1g yet |
19:32.23 | A2Sheds | $259 in USD? |
19:32.52 | eduprey | yeah, though with $50 off for registering it's a bit easier on the budget also |
19:32.54 | mnemoc | sure it costs more, but has far better screen too |
19:33.26 | mnemoc | it all depends if you want the cheapest possible, or actually a tablet you would want to USE |
19:33.29 | eduprey | A2Sheds: is RAM on A10 POP? |
19:33.53 | A2Sheds | you can sell it in 3 months as the first dev platform that revolutionized open source hardware for $1k |
19:34.05 | eduprey | :) |
19:34.21 | A2Sheds | no POP with A10 |
19:34.29 | A2Sheds | wish they did |
19:34.39 | mnemoc | what I find most annoying the the china ARM based ce is that their goal is to sell cheap junk |
19:34.42 | A2Sheds | maybe after we build the first million cards? |
19:34.52 | eduprey | A2Sheds: guessing it's BGA? would be nice to be able to upgrade these things |
19:34.58 | mnemoc | while adding few $$ they could build really good stuff |
19:35.11 | eduprey | A2Sheds: the RAM specifically |
19:35.46 | A2Sheds | mnemoc: people I meet don't know how or can't tell the difference |
19:36.16 | eduprey | A2Sheds: well they can usually tell if the screen looks good or bad and if the box runs fast or slow |
19:36.28 | eduprey | without needing to know the tech specs |
19:36.32 | A2Sheds | or one group built them and somebody else is selling them |
19:37.29 | mnemoc | btw, in aliexpress there are more models with 1GB |
19:38.00 | mnemoc | A2Sheds: what I mostly miss is build quality, more robust construction |
19:38.13 | mnemoc | A2Sheds: and ram |
19:39.03 | A2Sheds | it's the same approach with sales as it is with engineering, 1K monkeys they just throw lots of people at it |
19:39.36 | eduprey | mnemoc: omg, china is insane. AllWinner(1643) |
19:39.44 | eduprey | ie that many products? |
19:40.03 | mnemoc | eduprey: aliexpress is like ebay, many sellers of the same product |
19:40.08 | eduprey | ahhh |
19:40.15 | mnemoc | eduprey: search for allwinner a10 1gb |
19:40.38 | mnemoc | "only" 352 items |
19:41.17 | eduprey | hmmm novo 7 ELF is 1gb? |
19:41.42 | mnemoc | they may have different models of it |
19:42.04 | eduprey | yeah looks like ELF is 1.5ghz 1GB RAM |
19:42.08 | eduprey | not bad |
19:42.53 | mnemoc | eduprey: if you are in the US you can buy using fancy couriers without getting punished on arrival |
19:43.15 | mnemoc | eduprey: and so receive your products faster without paying the double of taxes |
19:43.24 | mnemoc | on* |
19:43.57 | A2Sheds | http://www.merimobiles.com/Ainol_NOVO_7_ELF_ICS_4_0_8GB_1GB_RAM_1_5GHz_CPU_p/meri0728.htm |
19:44.01 | A2Sheds | in Canada |
19:44.09 | mnemoc | please note on aliexpress the "minimal order" field |
19:44.21 | mnemoc | A2Sheds: afaik they ship from hk |
19:46.04 | A2Sheds | 1-800-204-0883 for 15 more minutes today |
19:46.16 | A2Sheds | 10am - 3pm eastern |
19:46.36 | A2Sheds | 1GB ddr3 |
19:46.48 | mnemoc | and what does that tell about the location of their warehouse? :) |
19:47.20 | A2Sheds | I've ordered from them before |
19:47.53 | mnemoc | :) |
19:47.58 | A2Sheds | I can punch somebody in the nose in Montreal a lot easier than China :) |
19:48.17 | mnemoc | absolutely :) |
19:48.56 | A2Sheds | anyway back to work for me bbl |
19:50.00 | eduprey | A2Sheds: Availability:: **As of Now Will Ship After the Chinese New Year** |
19:50.42 | mnemoc | btw, at the end, what will be the way to get jtag on the a10 eoma-68 cards? |
19:50.51 | eduprey | A2Sheds: they're in canada with warehouses in HK? |
19:51.17 | mnemoc | *very* likely |
19:51.54 | mnemoc | and also thanks to the power of voip you can get a number on any country you want directed to your callcenter in china |
19:53.02 | mnemoc | ok, not callcenter.... your own room near shenzhen :p |
19:53.29 | A2Sheds | http://maps.google.com/maps?q=550+rue+Sherbrooke+Ouest+suite+980A+Montreal,+Quebec&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x4cc91a463b35d2df:0x4515ff16d71ab57c,550+Rue+Sherbrooke+Ouest+%23980a,+Montr%C3%A9al,+QC,+Canada&gl=us&ei=ki8wT5zkG9Poggfvh6DNDw&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CCAQ8gEwAA |
19:54.23 | A2Sheds | McGill University, Montréal, |
19:55.28 | mnemoc | so merimobile is the dropshipping business of a canadian student :p |
19:56.43 | A2Sheds | you gotta watch those univ students |
19:57.03 | mnemoc | :) |
19:57.21 | A2Sheds | classes, beer parties, cheerleaders |
19:58.57 | A2Sheds | so if you order a tablet now, it might show up a week or so before the first batch of cards are done |
19:59.37 | A2Sheds | oh well |
19:59.51 | mnemoc | that's why I feel buying one from aliexpress using DHL might be a better idea for him |
20:04.44 | eduprey | A2Sheds: yeah for $50 difference I can't see getting a lower clocked unit with half the RAM |
20:04.57 | eduprey | even if it would be here a lot faster.. hmmm |
20:11.15 | lkcl | mnemoc: the SD-card pins can be flipped over to JTAG and one UART. so, one of those little SD-breakout-boards would do it. |
20:13.05 | eduprey | lkcl: nice |
20:13.22 | lkcl | it's the allwinner guys who are the bloody geniuses here |
20:13.56 | mnemoc | lkcl: on any a10-based or on your design? |
20:14.05 | lkcl | a10. |
20:14.11 | mnemoc | :o |
20:14.22 | mnemoc | lkcl: any link to order one? :) |
20:14.31 | lkcl | beh? what? where! |
20:14.56 | mnemoc | "one of those little SD-breakout-boards" |
20:20.58 | eduprey | http://www.spectrumdigital.com/product_info.php?cPath=22&products_id=252 ? |
20:21.00 | eduprey | pricey though |
20:21.38 | mnemoc | that deserves a big WTF |
20:22.55 | eduprey | mnemoc: we could make a much cheaper PCB with traces like the microsd pins |
20:23.57 | mnemoc | i asumed they already exist |
20:24.25 | eduprey | I imagine so but it's hard to google for them |
20:25.15 | eduprey | most micro-sd form factor breakouts are female, ie for prototyping things that accept microsd cards |
20:26.53 | A2Sheds | http://www.embeddedworks.net/pdetail.php?mn=assy&prod=assy015 |
20:27.16 | A2Sheds | http://www.embeddedworks.net/pdetail.php?mn=assy&prod=assy014 |
20:28.20 | A2Sheds | http://www.hwtools.net/ExtenderBoard/TFEX.html |
20:28.50 | A2Sheds | http://www.bplustech.com/extenderboard/SDEX.html |
20:29.36 | mnemoc | can we get something like this built at reasonable price and shipped together with the first batch of eoma68 cards? |
20:31.04 | eduprey | yeah $50 is closer to reasonable but still pricey |
20:31.12 | A2Sheds | we can try |
20:31.19 | mnemoc | and you have to add shipping to that |
20:31.43 | A2Sheds | microsd pcb with a header |
20:31.53 | mnemoc | bundling both, even if it's for $50, would make more sense than paying $50 to a third party |
20:32.19 | mnemoc | A2Sheds: please consider most software hackers can't solder |
20:32.29 | A2Sheds | whats the interface from the dongle to your PC? should we just have a FTDI USB to SD board adapter? |
20:33.22 | mnemoc | I have an ftdi based usb jtag/serial already |
20:34.02 | A2Sheds | oh you are lucky! But are people going to say that they need a USB to jtag next? |
20:34.13 | mnemoc | very true |
20:34.14 | A2Sheds | whre does it end? :) |
20:34.33 | mnemoc | a 2xserial to usb ic |
20:35.13 | mnemoc | this alone can become a nice product you could sell |
20:36.29 | eduprey | mnemoc: can you do JTAG with FT232R? |
20:37.25 | mnemoc | http://www.tincantools.com/product.php?productid=16134 <--- this I have |
20:39.06 | mnemoc | I suppose that design can be "dumbed" to work as microsd |
20:40.02 | mnemoc | schematics are there |
20:41.30 | eduprey | mnemoc: ah yeah so 2232 I think is just dual port version of 232 |
20:41.41 | eduprey | which means USB JTAG should be really cheap |
20:45.26 | A2Sheds | http://www.tincantools.com/assets/FLYSWATTER_REV-B.pdf |
20:46.17 | mnemoc | A2Sheds: would it work? |
20:46.37 | mnemoc | i mean, for the usb microsd-breakout for a10 |
20:47.09 | A2Sheds | afaik if the SD pins are also JTAG |
20:47.47 | A2Sheds | but how many people are going to need jtag? |
20:48.10 | A2Sheds | aren't we supplying them with all the hard parts already done? |
20:48.44 | mnemoc | without jtag we can't debug the kernel or bootloader |
20:48.44 | A2Sheds | how many will mess with uboot or kernel drivers? |
20:48.59 | A2Sheds | ok so 5 -10 of us |
20:49.36 | mnemoc | iiuic the a10 is not the only IC which would make use of this |
20:52.26 | mnemoc | it would be a useful tool for any future eoma card too |
20:54.12 | A2Sheds | the flyswatter is already out there for $50 |
20:55.05 | mnemoc | sure, but we miss how to connect both |
20:55.43 | A2Sheds | sd PCB with a header on the extender |
20:56.30 | A2Sheds | http://www.ecrater.com/p/3941047/keil-ulink-mini-usb-jtag |
20:59.48 | mnemoc | the flyswatter is nicer :) |
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