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| 02:23.08 | QingPei | morning |
| 02:25.50 | A2Sheds | lkcl: QingPei is also tracking down connector prices |
| 02:26.27 | A2Sheds | lkcl is at 0 GMT |
| 02:33.47 | QingPei | og |
| 02:33.52 | QingPei | oh , i see |
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| 05:10.17 | eflatun | hi is tehe anynoe there |
| 05:53.36 | A2Sheds | hi |
| 05:54.12 | A2Sheds | eflatun, have a question? |
| 07:22.29 | eflatun | yea hey |
| 07:23.14 | eflatun | i am wondering when the stable cards will be launched |
| 07:24.10 | eflatun | as you know your competitors are increasing |
| 07:25.15 | eflatun | i didnt order a raspberry pi for the sake of armv7 architecture |
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| 07:43.45 | hipboi | zenitraM: with your tips, i get x running |
| 07:43.57 | hipboi | even xfce4 |
| 07:44.21 | hipboi | it's working with a mouse and a keyboard |
| 07:56.32 | Gumboot | eflatun: I can't parse that last line. Do you mean you did order one because you don't care about v7, or that you didn't order one because you do care? |
| 07:57.38 | eflatun | i didnt order one because i do care about armv7 |
| 07:57.41 | eflatun | :F |
| 07:58.14 | Gumboot | I think "six years in development" comes from using the wrong SoC. There have been any number of SoC-based boards which could be stripped down to a couple of ports and sold as a computer, but the choice to go with Broadcom slowed everything down no end because that kind of thing simply isn't their business strategy. |
| 07:59.20 | eflatun | who are you aiming at |
| 07:59.24 | Gumboot | "that kind of thing" being to support people who might want documentation. |
| 07:59.39 | Gumboot | aiming what at? |
| 07:59.55 | Gumboot | I don't work there anymore, so I'm not aiming at anyone. |
| 08:00.01 | eflatun | i should say to |
| 08:00.06 | eflatun | aiming to |
| 08:01.36 | Gumboot | You mean who am I speaking to about the development time? |
| 08:01.48 | Gumboot | Nobody, evidently. That guy's gone. |
| 08:03.31 | eflatun | have they done a mistake just because development lasted six years, or just .. |
| 08:05.08 | Gumboot | Well, I'll let others debate whether it was a mistake. I think six years development is actually six years of politics and a couple of weeks of development. |
| 08:05.30 | Gumboot | Perhaps politics comes with negative connotations. Coordination with interested parties. |
| 08:05.56 | eflatun | again with politics |
| 08:06.09 | eflatun | what is this to do with politics |
| 08:06.50 | Gumboot | Oh, sorry... you weren't here for that bit. |
| 08:06.54 | Gumboot | I'm talking about Raspberry Pi. |
| 08:08.16 | eflatun | i know you are talking about raspberry and i am from turkey, away to your politic issues |
| 08:08.48 | Gumboot | Not government politics. Corporate and academic politics. |
| 08:08.54 | eflatun | :G |
| 08:10.40 | eflatun | it is wierd to mee to wasting 6 years with developing a SoC-computer |
| 08:13.09 | Gumboot | Well, things like beagleboard were pre-existing, but cost ten times as much. The hard part would be getting to a situation where you could get a volume price on everything. |
| 08:24.15 | Gumboot | How does rhombus-tech get so close to the volume price with such a small order, anyway? |
| 08:24.33 | Gumboot | Or do other vendors have much friendlier curves? |
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| 10:48.46 | lkcl | Gumboot: six years of development was five years of politics, 6 months of struggling part-time to understand how to use the CAD/CAM software, N months finding parts (like we're doing...) |
| 10:49.36 | arokux1 | lkcl, you are talking about R-Pi? |
| 10:49.37 | lkcl | Gumboot: we haven't. it's the BOM cost. there's no profit margin added on. oh, i see what you mean :) |
| 10:49.43 | lkcl | arokux1: yes i was |
| 10:50.32 | arokux1 | lkcl, I'm kinda new to IRC. how can I read the messages that were sent in my absence? |
| 10:50.45 | lkcl | pricing on the ZMS08 CPU is a good guide. the 1k price is something like $45, the 10k maybe $25 and the 100k price $15. |
| 10:51.09 | lkcl | arokux1: look at the topic for the channel. what does it say? |
| 10:51.33 | lkcl | (i'm assuming you have an irc client which shows the topic to you...) |
| 10:51.34 | arokux1 | lkcl, ah, sorry. |
| 10:51.40 | lkcl | see the line "logs"? :) |
| 10:51.45 | arokux1 | :) yes, it does. |
| 10:51.45 | lkcl | no problem |
| 10:52.28 | lkcl | that's from experience of having used irc for a long time. tim rikers is nothing to do with the project, he just runs an irc logging bot and i asked him if he'd mind pointing it at this group. |
| 10:52.53 | arokux1 | lkcl, you haven't updated news page for a while. so nothing new happened? |
| 10:53.05 | lkcl | as a general rule, it's best however to leave the irc client running 24x7 |
| 10:53.14 | lkcl | we're still waiting for the connectors. |
| 10:53.24 | lkcl | there's 3 left. all of them mid-mount. |
| 10:54.03 | lkcl | we cannot go ahead with some random connectors for the first 10,000 units just because there was some random guy in china who wanted to clear out some warehouse space of old stock |
| 10:54.17 | lkcl | because it means having to redesign the PCBs. |
| 10:54.34 | lkcl | but also we don't want to go with the "mainstream" suppliers because they will charge a premium. |
| 10:55.01 | lkcl | so even though it's only 3 connectors (mid-mount USB, mid-mount HDMI, mid-mount audio) |
| 10:55.13 | lkcl | we need to find the suppliers of the suppliers |
| 10:55.16 | lkcl | do a deal with them |
| 10:55.24 | lkcl | etc. etc. blah blah. |
| 10:55.39 | lkcl | and get a guaranteed supply line and contracts in place. |
| 10:55.59 | lkcl | otherwise we have to do a redesign of the PCB, and that would just be a complete pissing nuisance. |
| 11:00.20 | arokux1 | thanks for explanation, I'm tempted to have the board. mnemoc said yesterday it would take weeks to have it produced. it's rather fast. |
| 11:01.11 | arokux1 | lkcl |
| 11:01.45 | mnemoc | arokux1: I said *after* the connectors are received |
| 11:02.04 | arokux1 | mnemoc, oh.. ok. |
| 11:03.19 | arokux1 | mnemoc, btw, you are not crosscompiling the kernel, do you? |
| 11:04.34 | mnemoc | arokux1: eh? |
| 11:04.58 | mnemoc | arokux1: that's what the CROSS=.... argument is for |
| 11:05.02 | mnemoc | err |
| 11:05.10 | mnemoc | CROSS_COMPILER= |
| 11:05.22 | mnemoc | needs more coffee |
| 11:08.33 | mnemoc | arokux1: I use linaro's toolchain. some prefer others |
| 11:11.58 | mnemoc | arokux1: so `make ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=arm-linux-gnueabi- sun4i_defconfig` to get .config and `make ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=arm-linux-gnueabi- uImage` to (cross)compile the kernel |
| 11:30.06 | arokux1 | mnemoc, thanks. need to figure out how to install the toolchain in my distribution. (Arch) |
| 11:31.45 | CIA-46 | rhombus-tech: Daniel master * r785659f2716a /darkenpt.mdwn: |
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| 11:42.52 | mnemoc | is that spam? |
| 11:43.17 | CIA-46 | rhombus-tech: Ekaterina master * r54df0f241ef1 /allwinner_a10/orders/http:__47____47__4pda.ru__47__2011__47__11__47__18__47__50235__47__.mdwn: |
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| 12:00.31 | arokux1 | mnemoc, no, it's a bot that puts git commits... |
| 12:02.22 | mnemoc | arokux1: :) I know, I mean the content commited to the wiki |
| 12:03.09 | mnemoc | doesn't look like a fair name for a wiki page.... |
| 12:03.21 | mnemoc | bbl |
| 12:05.53 | arokux1 | yes, I think it is spam.. lkcl, maybe you could change the title of the last preorder? |
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| 12:14.06 | zenitraM | hipboi: didn't Xorg crash at any time for you? |
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| 14:34.02 | lkcl | arokux: no they're not spam, it's just the way that ikiwiki encodes non-representable filename characters |
| 14:34.43 | arokux | lkcl, look where the link is pointing to. |
| 14:34.50 | lkcl | 1sec... |
| 14:40.11 | lkcl | yes they're all a bit odd, but i'm going to take people at face value. |
| 14:40.37 | lkcl | if they don't respond when it comes to actually contacting them, then hey, their preorder gets moved into the "not valid" folder |
| 14:41.44 | CIA-46 | rhombus-tech: lkcl master * ra675a6a6ffcc /allwinner_a10/orders/ (6 files): corrections for order processing |
| 14:44.46 | arokux | mnemoc, have you built linaro toolchain by yourself? |
| 14:47.55 | mnemoc | arokux: nope, I use the package it from their ubuntu ppa |
| 14:48.54 | mnemoc | arokux: just install an ubuntu server in a virtual machine :) |
| 14:49.48 | arokux | mnemoc, I want it running natively in my distro... |
| 14:50.54 | mnemoc | check if your distro has arm toolchain packages |
| 14:51.21 | mnemoc | unless you really want to learn to build your own cross compiler |
| 14:51.55 | lkcl | ooo, that's fuuuun right there, building cross compilers. NOT. |
| 14:55.02 | CIA-46 | rhombus-tech: Pipe master * rab0263dde8e8 /allwinner_a10/orders/dsp020312.mdwn: |
| 14:57.17 | arokux | lkcl, NOT? |
| 14:59.00 | lkcl | ahh, arokux, you've not tried building a cross compiler, have you? :) |
| 14:59.23 | lkcl | even i refuse to do it - i use debian's prebuilt ones when doing emdebian work |
| 14:59.29 | lkcl | or i use openembedded's recipes |
| 14:59.34 | arokux | no, I've tried building LinuxFromScratch. |
| 14:59.37 | lkcl | which just... get on with it |
| 14:59.41 | lkcl | cool! |
| 14:59.50 | lkcl | cross-compiled or native? |
| 15:00.09 | lkcl | did you use an x86 host to build an x86 compiler? |
| 15:00.15 | arokux | native |
| 15:00.18 | lkcl | or did you use an x86 host to build ARM. |
| 15:00.25 | lkcl | yeah, that's commmpletely different. |
| 15:00.30 | lkcl | :) |
| 15:00.35 | arokux | I never done smth for ARM. |
| 15:00.40 | lkcl | it's fuuun. |
| 15:00.47 | lkcl | you know those ./configure tests? |
| 15:00.47 | arokux | I know it's different. That's why I'm doing it. |
| 15:01.07 | arokux | "know"? |
| 15:01.24 | lkcl | you know how ./configure tests work, things like "if sizeof(int) == 4" #define SIZEOF_INT 4 |
| 15:01.25 | lkcl | etc. etc. |
| 15:01.33 | lkcl | you're familiar with those? |
| 15:01.33 | arokux | of course |
| 15:02.07 | lkcl | ok. well... i was one of the few people who ran openembedded on an amd64 system, i think it was... eek, 2004 |
| 15:02.35 | lkcl | and so there were plenty of bugs where the ./configure script, which was running on the *host* |
| 15:02.57 | arokux | I see. So I'll submit bugs and people will fix them ;) |
| 15:03.05 | lkcl | was going "if an amd64 int is of size 4, then #define on the *target* that the size of an int is 4" |
| 15:03.08 | lkcl | but.... yeah. |
| 15:03.18 | lkcl | so anyway, now what openembedded does - and don't freak out too much... |
| 15:03.36 | lkcl | is they actually use qemu to run the configure scripts |
| 15:04.00 | lkcl | so on amd64 they actually substitute "gcc" with "qemu-system-arm --command gcc" |
| 15:04.20 | lkcl | or something close to that, anyway. |
| 15:04.26 | lkcl | sounds freaky, huh? :) |
| 15:05.03 | arokux | yes, exactly what I'm looking for :D |
| 15:05.12 | arokux | lkcl, but one thing is missing... |
| 15:05.16 | lkcl | it's the only way to absolutely guarantee that the host will correctly compile things for the target system |
| 15:05.19 | lkcl | yaaa? |
| 15:05.21 | arokux | you can guess which? |
| 15:05.27 | lkcl | noooOoo? |
| 15:05.39 | arokux | a board! |
| 15:05.43 | lkcl | cackles |
| 15:05.52 | lkcl | well, there's always qemu |
| 15:06.10 | lkcl | all right all right be patient. give it a couple more weeks. |
| 15:10.12 | zenitraM | you can also get a Mele or an A10 tablet to have some fun in the meantime |
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| 16:08.23 | eflatun | hey guys |
| 16:08.50 | CIA-46 | rhombus-tech: Jos master * rf0a618c75ec3 /allwinner_a10/orders/josemoreira3d__64__gmail.com.mdwn: |
| 16:09.29 | eflatun | i adore your labor |
| 16:35.42 | arokux | lkcl, mnemoc what is ours, if any: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git;a=tree;f=arch/arm/configs;h=6792589ea7c39e1c82ea9a177bc260a3b2da9ff8;hb=HEAD ? |
| 16:40.10 | CIA-46 | rhombus-tech: Sergey master * rf9321436904f /allwinner_a10/orders/funtik__95__xle6.mdwn: |
| 16:43.58 | zenitraM | arokux: on the kernel I have, sun4i_defconfig, so I guess it's not there |
| 16:44.29 | arokux | zenitraM, ok |
| 16:46.08 | mnemoc | do you know the homesite of onda tablets? |
| 16:56.57 | zenitraM | onda.cn |
| 17:06.38 | mnemoc | thanks |
| 17:46.00 | zenitraM | ohh, now this is interesting |
| 17:46.02 | zenitraM | http://www.dealextreme.com/p/5-lcd-touch-screen-android-2-2-game-console-w-tf-mini-usb-hdmi-black-4gb-flash-512mb-ram-114129 |
| 17:46.12 | zenitraM | an A10-based PSP-clone |
| 17:46.42 | zenitraM | (full specs in spanish: http://www.hardcore-gamer.net/tienda/product_info.php/products_id/11024 ) |
| 17:48.18 | mnemoc | oh |
| 17:48.33 | zenitraM | this is interesting as there are quite a lot of homebrew gamer enthusiasts... |
| 17:49.07 | mnemoc | sure it's A10-based? |
| 17:49.09 | zenitraM | which could probably use for porting emulators a full linux kernel/OS instead of android |
| 17:49.16 | zenitraM | look at the second link, the new model is A10 |
| 17:50.11 | zenitraM | on a similar console/semiPMP, it was the Dingoo A320 if I remember well |
| 17:50.43 | zenitraM | it had an Ingenics processor, and the gaming community managed to port Linux to it (using some sources found on a random Ingenics ftp site) |
| 17:51.13 | zenitraM | and it became famous for being a cheap, emulator-on-the-go console with lots of homebrew games and stuff |
| 17:51.32 | mnemoc | asd it has so few nand |
| 17:51.35 | mnemoc | sad* |
| 17:52.05 | zenitraM | it supposedly has 8gb nand |
| 17:52.33 | mnemoc | uh |
| 17:52.48 | mnemoc | buy one from DX and confirm it's A10 please :) |
| 17:53.11 | zenitraM | the one on Hardcore-Gamer is surely A10 |
| 17:53.34 | zenitraM | it's a new version, there was an older one with some other chip |
| 17:56.58 | lkcl | oh dear! whoopsie, the openpandora is really in the brown stuff with that one, zenitraM |
| 17:57.31 | zenitraM | yup |
| 17:58.36 | CIA-46 | rhombus-tech: lkcl master * r021a7a323173 /allwinner_a10.mdwn: |
| 17:59.46 | lkcl | *lol* - have you seen the name of the manufacturer? "YINLIPS" |
| 17:59.55 | lkcl | falls about laughing |
| 18:00.00 | lkcl | ahem sorry |
| 18:00.16 | zenitraM | haha well chinese manufacturers will never end surprising me |
| 18:00.42 | zenitraM | we're working with an "ALL WINNER" SoC, remember? lol |
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| 18:00.54 | lkcl | oh yes i remember dingoo. vaguely. ingenic jz4730 or something. maybe the same CPU as the ben nanonote. |
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| 18:01.49 | zenitraM | i know the owners of the shop that imported both the dingo and the yinlips (both models) to Spain |
| 18:02.53 | zenitraM | and i'm writing a post on the Yinlips subforum on the forum that has all the Dingoo / GP2X / Yinlips scene here in spain |
| 18:04.24 | zenitraM | pointing them to the resources we have and about the A10 hackability will probably bring attention to gamer-hackers willing to hack around / optimize things on the A10 |
| 18:04.37 | zenitraM | most of the success on the Dingoo was caused by Dingux... |
| 18:04.42 | zenitraM | s/on/of |
| 18:04.56 | zenitraM | s/on/of/ |
| 18:05.04 | zenitraM | oh well |
| 18:31.42 | CIA-46 | rhombus-tech: Dennis master * r7a8ab4c7cc50 /allwinner_a10/orders/indionicarao.mdwn: |
| 18:32.30 | arokux | lkcl, here? |
| 19:00.15 | zenitraM | wow, not one but *two* Yinlips consoles |
| 19:00.15 | zenitraM | http://www.willgoo.com/yinlips-ydpg16-android23-retro-handheld-wifi-preorder-p-196.html |
| 19:01.05 | CIA-46 | rhombus-tech: chichak master * r805484452599 /allwinner_a10/orders/ari.mdwn: |
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| 19:03.02 | MaDMaLKaV | hi all. I just suscribed to the mailing list, what is that mele machine people is talking about? |
| 19:03.49 | zenitraM | hi MaDMaLKaV :P |
| 19:03.51 | zenitraM | this one: http://www.dealextreme.com/p/mele-1080p-android-2-3-internet-tv-set-top-box-w-wifi-optical-3-x-usb-hdmi-av-lan-sd-119913 |
| 19:04.43 | zenitraM | has an A10 with some interesting hardware goodies: http://rhombus-tech.net/allwinner_a10/hacking_the_mele_a1000/ |
| 19:04.45 | MaDMaLKaV | oh, cool, tried to open the link in the mail list from my cellular but I was getting problems, dunno why |
| 19:05.26 | MaDMaLKaV | not a bad price either |
| 19:05.48 | zenitraM | Tom (=hipboi) the engineer from Allwinner got us some for 65$ |
| 19:06.05 | MaDMaLKaV | really interesting |
| 19:06.35 | MaDMaLKaV | I collaborate with a spanish tablet rebrander that will star to comercialize an allwiner based tablet soon, but I'm really more interested in arm setp top boxes |
| 19:07.05 | zenitraM | which rebrander? (if you can say) |
| 19:09.21 | MaDMaLKaV | NVSBL |
| 19:09.53 | zenitraM | mmm nice |
| 19:10.42 | MaDMaLKaV | are you from Spain ? Your nickname points to serious posibilities of you being from here :) |
| 19:11.23 | zenitraM | well, aren't you the same MaDMaLKaV from gp32spain? :P |
| 19:12.14 | MaDMaLKaV | yeah, haven't been there for shitloads of years but it is me :) |
| 19:12.23 | MaDMaLKaV | I knew your nickname sounded familiar lol |
| 19:12.26 | zenitraM | yes I am (and I thought you arrived here from what I just posted there lol) |
| 19:12.36 | zenitraM | http://www.gp32spain.com/foros/showthread.php?t=89062 |
| 19:13.07 | MaDMaLKaV | I got into rhombus looking info on the A10 source code |
| 19:14.03 | MaDMaLKaV | from there to the mailing list |
| 19:14.08 | MaDMaLKaV | and from there to the irc |
| 19:14.12 | zenitraM | nice :) |
| 19:14.40 | zenitraM | well, does NVSBL have any access to the tablet sources? |
| 19:15.13 | zenitraM | because AFAIK we only have sources for 2.6.36 kernels and ICS firmwares running on A10 devices work with 3.0 kernel |
| 19:15.49 | MaDMaLKaV | heh, doubt it. but as always I will tell them to try to put some preasure on getting the sources. As always, chinese partners will do their chinese tricks to avoid giving the source |
| 19:16.49 | zenitraM | the 2.6.36 kernel sources (and 2.3 android images) have been released by the maker of the chipset |
| 19:17.14 | zenitraM | but there's a 3.0 kernel somewhere we don't have |
| 19:17.56 | MaDMaLKaV | ok, I'll be aware if I can put my hands on some ICS and 3.0 kernel code |
| 19:18.53 | zenitraM | that'd be great :) |
| 19:20.02 | MaDMaLKaV | you getting one of those a1000 for you? |
| 19:20.19 | zenitraM | yup |
| 19:20.47 | MaDMaLKaV | how much it ends with shiping? |
| 19:21.02 | MaDMaLKaV | -my english starts to sound broken, that means I'm tired...- |
| 19:21.10 | MaDMaLKaV | care if I write some sentecnes in Spanish guys? |
| 19:21.33 | zenitraM | mine was 65$ + 8$ shipping |
| 19:22.11 | zenitraM | (i don't care, whatever people wants.. if there's anybody else active here, lol) |
| 19:22.58 | MaDMaLKaV | en euros cuanto te sale? cuentas con que te lo paren en aduanas -por que asumo que lo mandan desde asia-? |
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| 19:24.03 | MaDMaLKaV | parece que quedaban dos libres, estoy por hacer un intento de ultima hora a ver si me cojo el ultimo, pero tengo que pensarmelo que acabo de pagar el seguro del coche y encima la semana que viene tengo que ir a madrid por curro y tengo que adelantar la pasta de los peajes y las comidas y esas cosas hasta que me lo devuelvan el mes que viene |
| 19:24.12 | CIA-46 | rhombus-tech: master * r2f00086567c1 /allwinner_a10/orders/USvER__95__PREORDER.mdwn: |
| 19:24.31 | zenitraM | me sale por.. 52€ creo |
| 19:24.38 | zenitraM | porque encontré un cupón de descuento para comprarlo por aliexpress |
| 19:24.57 | zenitraM | que te descontaba 10$ por compras mayores a 50$ |
| 19:25.14 | zenitraM | aduanas… no creo que lo paren |
| 19:25.31 | CIA-46 | rhombus-tech: master * re2c34cda4351 /allwinner_a10/orders/USvER__95__PREORDER.mdwn: |
| 19:26.17 | zenitraM | vamos a mi no me pararon el tablet que me costó mas caro |
| 19:26.46 | zenitraM | aun así Tom iba a pillar más aunque a lo mejor los vendía un pelín más caros |
| 19:27.07 | MaDMaLKaV | voy a mandar un email a ver que dice |
| 19:27.43 | zenitraM | i don't know if you will get in time as he's now sleeping and was going to ship them tomorrow |
| 19:28.45 | MaDMaLKaV | ouch, time zones, yeah |
| 19:29.17 | MaDMaLKaV | well, will wait for another batch, I will probably receive it and have no time for it anyway like it is happening to me constantly as of late :/ |
| 19:29.52 | MaDMaLKaV | the guy works on Allwinner? and we are looking for the 3.0 kernel sources? Isn't that weird? :) |
| 19:30.04 | zenitraM | it's a nice machine for A10 development, yeah |
| 19:30.23 | zenitraM | yup, he has in fact released several tools for booting from SD and u-boot sources |
| 19:31.07 | zenitraM | I'm not sure about the whole story with 3.0 kernel.. it might have been developed by someone else (as in, tablet factory) backporting from the 2.6.36 sources that are out there |
| 19:31.16 | MaDMaLKaV | I see |
| 19:31.26 | MaDMaLKaV | anyway, ICS can work with 2.6.36 kernel AFAIK |
| 19:32.06 | zenitraM | yup… but all ICS firmwares out there are made for 3.0, and replacing the kernel without the ICS sources is also a bit complicated |
| 19:32.30 | MaDMaLKaV | heh, I subscribed to the mailing list with daily digests by error and now I can't figure how to change it |
| 19:33.43 | zenitraM | mmm don't know.. maybe unsubscribing and subscribing back again might work |
| 19:35.09 | mnemoc | I've received two fuji cameras of 500E each last year shipped using normal registered airmail from hongkong and the smoothly passed by the spanish customs |
| 19:35.55 | MaDMaLKaV | found it, on the activation mail |
| 19:36.09 | MaDMaLKaV | half the channel is spanish! lol |
| 19:36.17 | mnemoc | :) |
| 19:36.29 | mnemoc | but better to stick with english |
| 19:38.34 | MaDMaLKaV | yeah |
| 20:32.41 | A2Sheds | zenitraM: memleak posted a 3.0 kernel for the A10 as did someone else |
| 20:33.07 | hno | can't read spanish |
| 20:37.45 | mnemoc | A2Sheds: where is "memleak"'s 3.0 kernel? |
| 20:41.49 | MaDMaLKaV | hno, you didn't miss anything interesting, was asking him how much it costed the a1000 shipped to Spain |
| 20:49.35 | A2Sheds | mnemoc: "lichee/for-next" branch. |
| 20:49.47 | A2Sheds | 3.0.17 |
| 20:50.05 | A2Sheds | alioth arm-netbook git tree |
| 20:50.34 | mnemoc | i looked at that branch... whoever did that works uglier than allwinner's developer |
| 20:50.37 | mnemoc | s |
| 20:52.16 | mnemoc | i desperately need hardware to test... I gave away the aura lyf1 I had and the ainol elf I ordered over a month ago from aliexpress still unshipped |
| 20:54.48 | A2Sheds | mnemoc: http://alioth.debian.org/scm/browser.php?group_id=100475 this one? or?? |
| 20:58.08 | mnemoc | A2Sheds: yes. I know that one. just didn't know this "Alec Ari" was the so called "memleak" |
| 21:01.22 | mnemoc | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:01.24 | mnemoc | uh |
| 21:02.00 | mnemoc | (that's git://android.git.linaro.org/kernel/common) |
| 21:05.23 | lkcl | right - has anyone got hardware that they can do round-trips on kernel builds etc. for mnemoc? |
| 21:06.38 | mnemoc | the mele box will be great help, looking forward to receive it soon |
| 21:06.46 | hno | same here. |
| 21:06.50 | CIA-46 | rhombus-tech: bari master * r320931d7e0bb /allwinner_a10/kernel_compile.mdwn: |
| 21:07.01 | A2Sheds | http://rhombus-tech.net/allwinner_a10/kernel_compile/ |
| 21:07.23 | A2Sheds | ok where is the git://android.git.linaro.org/kernel/common hosted? link please |
| 21:07.23 | hno | also hope jtag will work. If not I'll try to get a real dev box as well. |
| 21:07.36 | mnemoc | A2Sheds: android.git.linaro.org ? :) |
| 21:07.44 | hno | A2Sheds, that is a link. |
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| 21:09.13 | hno | and memleak is here just as we talk about him |
| 21:09.49 | A2Sheds | now you're in trouble :p |
| 21:11.27 | A2Sheds | android.git.linaro.org whats there that is relevant to the A10? maybe I just need more sleep |
| 21:11.42 | hno | A2Sheds, probably nada. |
| 21:12.10 | A2Sheds | I'm trying to update the wiki |
| 21:12.43 | mnemoc | A2Sheds: It was just to note that android-common got a branch for 3.3 support |
| 21:12.54 | A2Sheds | any other A10 kernel trees hiding anywhere with public access? |
| 21:12.58 | mnemoc | android's kernel-common* |
| 21:16.38 | CIA-46 | rhombus-tech: bari master * r72c5e89a62fb /allwinner_a10/kernel_compile.mdwn: |
| 21:17.55 | mnemoc | A2Sheds: better point to allwinner-v3.0-android of my tree, the other has a merge on top |
| 21:18.31 | mnemoc | or better 2.6's, as 3.0 still doesn't work :( |
| 21:18.37 | CIA-46 | rhombus-tech: bari master * ra06bdeaaa5e9 /allwinner_a10/kernel_compile.mdwn: |
| 21:19.40 | memleak | I was trying to get 3.0 to compile with the A10 code but after all the clean-up I was a bit stumped on some things and couldn't fix all the errors. |
| 21:19.55 | CIA-46 | rhombus-tech: bari master * r04b9170c5c8a /allwinner_a10/kernel_compile.mdwn: |
| 21:20.52 | memleak | It at least makes it a lot easier for people to mess with and get boards working. That was the whole point of lichee/for-next Just clean it up and update it to take the load off. |
| 21:23.45 | mnemoc | memleak: give a try to https://github.com/amery/linux-allwinner/commits/allwinner-v3.0-android |
| 21:24.40 | mnemoc | I splitted/squashed/sanitized the commits of the official 2.6.36 tree and the rebased it over linaro's common 3.0 tree |
| 21:25.21 | mnemoc | so the changes in the diffs make a bit more sense than on the bulk import on alioth |
| 21:26.20 | hno | where is the original allwinner git tree? |
| 21:26.33 | mnemoc | github |
| 21:27.38 | mnemoc | I have a branch tracking it, allwinner/lichee-v2.6.36-dev, but if you want the remote it's in https://github.com/allwinner/linux-2.6.36 |
| 21:28.10 | memleak | Yeah I avoided github for many reasons, one of the ones was because it uses javascript.. |
| 21:28.10 | hno | thanks, just found it. |
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| 21:29.20 | mnemoc | memleak: it works from command line too ;-) git://github.com/allwinner/linux-2.6.36.git |
| 21:30.05 | memleak | Yeah that was my point entirely.. |
| 21:30.25 | memleak | I have a headache already from such lack of teamwork.. C ya |
| 21:30.27 | *** part/#arm-netbook memleak (~alec@unaffiliated/memleak) |
| 21:30.50 | hno | ? |
| 21:31.08 | mnemoc | whatever |
| 21:33.51 | mnemoc | hard to have teamwork not joining the channel.... |
| 21:37.42 | mnemoc | hno: are you getting a mele a1000 from tom too? |
| 21:37.50 | hno | yes |
| 21:38.19 | mnemoc | great :) |
| 21:38.22 | hno | and setting aside time to play with the bootloader & kernel as well. |
| 21:39.28 | mnemoc | :D |
| 21:41.23 | arokux | $469 box?! |
| 21:41.52 | mnemoc | yuan |
| 21:43.38 | arokux | ok, $75 |
| 21:44.18 | CIA-46 | rhombus-tech: subany6 master * r46dae25dcc2a /allwinner_a10/orders/subany.mdwn: |
| 21:56.34 | arokux | why it's so expensive?? http://www.embeddedarm.com/products/board-detail.php?product=ts-7800 |
| 21:57.59 | mnemoc | because there is people out there easy to fool into paying that? |
| 22:02.36 | A2Sheds | those are old |
| 22:02.39 | zenitraM | <lkcl> right - has anyone got hardware that they can do round-trips on kernel builds etc. for mnemoc? <-- I do |
| 22:03.07 | A2Sheds | arm soc + fpga for expansion IO |
| 22:04.16 | mnemoc | zenitraM: btw, are you allergic to github too? |
| 22:04.29 | A2Sheds | http://www.embeddedarm.com/products/board-detail.php?product=TS-4800 IIRC is their fastest and newest board |
| 22:05.21 | zenitraM | mnemoc: still have to learn my way around it |
| 22:05.37 | zenitraM | why? |
| 22:07.16 | mnemoc | zenitraM: it just would be awesome to have others working on https://github.com/amery/linux-allwinner/commits/allwinner-v3.0-android :-) |
| 22:07.30 | zenitraM | oh, nice, hadn't seen it before :) |
| 22:07.47 | mnemoc | it's a much cleaner base than what's on alioth :) ... and commits are splitted by topic |
| 22:07.50 | mnemoc | :p |
| 22:08.01 | zenitraM | my kernel hackery skills are next to none :( |
| 22:08.07 | zenitraM | but anyway I can help with testing |
| 22:08.25 | zenitraM | given that it seems i'm the only one with real hardware for now lol |
| 22:09.04 | mnemoc | it doesn't compile yet... I haven't finished updating allwinner's code to 3.0's APIs |
| 22:09.34 | mnemoc | for example where the f* did machine_desc.phys_io go :-/ |
| 22:12.36 | mnemoc | as I'm pretty noob on this tracing those changes is quite hard/time consuming |
| 22:14.43 | mnemoc | in this example it seems I just need to remove those two (io_pg_offst and .phys_io) but that info was there because of some reason and just deleting it smells risky |
| 22:15.14 | zenitraM | there's only one way to find out |
| 22:15.30 | mnemoc | :) |
| 22:15.54 | zenitraM | well, this might have something to do with it |
| 22:15.54 | zenitraM | http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/linux-arm-kernel/2010-July/022074.html |
| 22:18.04 | zenitraM | so just removing it seems like the best option |
| 22:18.06 | mnemoc | and so the questions jumps to, what to write on arch/arm/mach-sun4i/include/mach/debug-macro.S |
| 22:18.18 | mnemoc | so it includes that info |
| 22:18.23 | mnemoc | and so on |
| 22:22.08 | mnemoc | I should really learn asm |
| 22:24.42 | zenitraM | and I should really learn more C |
| 22:25.13 | zenitraM | given that the only experience on C i have is two subjects about it at uni so far |
| 22:27.26 | arokux | http://www.cnx-software.com/2012/03/02/free-electrons-releases-embedded-linux-training-materials/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=free-electrons-releases-embedded-linux-training-materials |
| 22:30.39 | zenitraM | mm that looks useful |
| 22:31.05 | zenitraM | and also the first pdf i've seen that can be compiled with make |
| 22:31.39 | mnemoc | free electrons has been releasing lots of interesting stuff the last month |
| 22:32.11 | arokux | who is behind them? |
| 22:32.25 | mnemoc | they are a company |
| 22:33.34 | arokux | not a usual one. |
| 22:37.53 | arokux | ok, first 20 pages you can find everywhere... how to patch the kernel? they are kidding. |
| 23:07.41 | CIA-46 | rhombus-tech: Abel master * r8af6e618268a /allwinner_a10/orders/Khan.mdwn: |
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| 23:31.19 | A2Sheds | . |
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