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| 00:59.39 | DonkeyHotei | how would one use the mk802 with no remote? |
| 01:05.09 | A0Sheds | USB HID |
| 01:06.38 | DonkeyHotei | for a settop box? ugh |
| 01:07.15 | A0Sheds | also has Wireless 802.11b/g, WAPI(Ralink8188) |
| 01:07.32 | DonkeyHotei | wifi is not an input device |
| 01:08.24 | A0Sheds | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:08.51 | A0Sheds | is there a demo somewhere of how they expect people to use it? |
| 01:09.55 | A0Sheds | extra USB - IR dongle? |
| 01:10.13 | A0Sheds | is there a remote? |
| 01:10.22 | DonkeyHotei | ui would simply be android i'd guess |
| 01:10.32 | DonkeyHotei | and no remote is listed |
| 01:10.43 | A0Sheds | HDMI to display |
| 01:10.57 | A0Sheds | but how does it get input from the UI? |
| 01:11.55 | A0Sheds | USB touchscreen or ? |
| 01:12.33 | ZaEarl | usb, wireless keyboard/mouse |
| 01:12.46 | A0Sheds | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDyBs6Wuu1o |
| 01:12.50 | DonkeyHotei | it comes with a keyboard/mouse? |
| 01:12.58 | ZaEarl | no, you can buy one |
| 01:13.23 | A0Sheds | it's $69 for the keyboard/mouse :) |
| 01:13.30 | DonkeyHotei | for a settop box, that's woefully suboptimal |
| 01:13.44 | DonkeyHotei | at least the mele has a remote |
| 01:14.35 | A0Sheds | whats wrong with a USB keyboard/mouse? |
| 01:14.37 | DonkeyHotei | funny that the keyboard/mouse would have the same price as the box itself |
| 01:14.51 | DonkeyHotei | A0Sheds: wires to a settop box? |
| 01:14.54 | A0Sheds | kidding about the $69 |
| 01:15.14 | ZaEarl | there's plenty of wireless keyboard/mice |
| 01:15.21 | A0Sheds | sure, why not? Not everybody is well to do. |
| 01:16.16 | A0Sheds | for some having a TV as a display is a step up from watching wheat grow for entertainment |
| 01:17.29 | DonkeyHotei | ZaEarl: wireless or not, keyboard/mouse is still not a remote |
| 01:17.29 | ZaEarl | DonkeyHotei, you're right. and for many uses they're better. |
| 01:18.31 | DonkeyHotei | not for typical settop box uses, though |
| 01:18.38 | A0Sheds | http://confidential.eetimes.com/news-updates/4371528/China-Mulls-National-CPU-Standard |
| 01:19.18 | A0Sheds | "It costs a minimum of $5 million to license ARMs high-end Cortex A9 core," |
| 01:19.57 | A0Sheds | China has several cores based on MIPS, but MIPS will eventually shut down and sell their IP and patents, |
| 01:20.18 | ZaEarl | stock android isn't exactly a settop box ui either |
| 01:20.49 | A0Sheds | I don't think that the mk802 is aimed at the west |
| 01:21.12 | DonkeyHotei | settop is not that big a stretch from touchscreen |
| 01:21.31 | DonkeyHotei | A0Sheds: uhhh, look at the supported languages |
| 01:21.46 | A0Sheds | android |
| 01:21.50 | ZaEarl | I've tried to navigate android with a clicker. it's not pretty |
| 01:21.58 | DonkeyHotei | all european, no chinese |
| 01:22.02 | ZaEarl | mouse/touchscreen is how it works best |
| 01:23.42 | A0Sheds | somebody told them android was the way to go, after all "it's popular on tablets and phones" |
| 01:25.04 | A0Sheds | it looks like another conflicted product, let's see if it gets any traction |
| 01:25.08 | ZaEarl | now, what would be cool would be a tablet that can control the tv/stick over wifi |
| 01:27.14 | ZaEarl | like this: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.tournesol.tabletremote&hl=en |
| 01:28.12 | A0Sheds | use your phone/tablet as the remote |
| 01:31.02 | DonkeyHotei | ZaEarl: the old wacom concept; everything old is new again |
| 01:31.03 | ZaEarl | that'll be a cool demo |
| 01:37.15 | ZaEarl | which reminds me... |
| 01:37.21 | ZaEarl | Turl, help! hdmi-out isn't working. |
| 01:44.56 | A0Sheds | ZaEarl, you mean like control the set top box through a web browser using a phone/tablet over wifi? |
| 01:45.18 | ZaEarl | A0Sheds, better, a custom app |
| 01:45.42 | A0Sheds | ZaEarl, so it looks less like a browser? |
| 01:45.57 | ZaEarl | so it looks/works like a regular remote |
| 01:47.05 | A0Sheds | only the remote control buttons wouldn't be little rubber nubs but virtual buttons on the pad/phone screen? |
| 01:47.12 | ZaEarl | yes |
| 01:49.54 | A0Sheds | http://www.gmote.org/screenshots like this only better |
| 01:54.44 | Turl | ZaEarl: unfortunately I don't have a cable to test that kind of stuff :( |
| 01:55.10 | Turl | iirc quarx was waiting for his to arrive, he'll probably work on that |
| 01:59.35 | Turl | ZaEarl: you should really include an hdmi cable with zatabs btw |
| 02:00.39 | ZaEarl | not a bad idea |
| 02:01.04 | DonkeyHotei | you have to pay royalties for the cables too, though |
| 02:01.21 | Turl | DonkeyHotei: the manufacturer does I suppose |
| 02:01.32 | DonkeyHotei | Turl: they pass on the cost |
| 02:01.51 | Turl | DonkeyHotei: dealextreme sells the cables @ less than 10 bucks |
| 02:03.10 | ZaEarl | maybe just a mini adapter, so a regular hdmi cable would work |
| 02:03.31 | Turl | it'd probably just cost the same to ship a cable |
| 02:03.37 | Turl | and a cable it's more useful |
| 02:03.46 | Turl | not everyone owns a full hdmi cable |
| 02:03.53 | ZaEarl | you've seen the box, it's pretty small. hdmi cables are kinda big |
| 02:05.00 | Turl | ZaEarl: have you seen the atrix AT&T box? |
| 02:05.30 | Turl | it's smaller than the zatab box, and moto packed a cable, a wall charger, a usb cable, and a phone |
| 02:05.30 | ZaEarl | sure |
| 02:05.35 | Turl | as well as advertising and manuals |
| 02:05.52 | ZaEarl | wow, that's gotta be a thin cable. |
| 02:06.06 | Turl | micro to std hdmi |
| 02:06.50 | ZaEarl | how long is it? |
| 02:06.55 | ZaEarl | 1m? |
| 02:07.32 | Turl | ZaEarl: http://www.amazon.com/Motorola-Standard-HDMI-Cable-DROID/dp/B00462QTA8/ref=pd_sim_cps_1 |
| 02:08.11 | Turl | 1.5m I believe |
| 02:08.25 | Turl | 5 feet for you americans from what I'm reading on google :) |
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| 03:50.33 | Turl | mnemoc: when you get a chance, have a look at https://github.com/allwinner-dev-team/linux-allwinner/commit/476233ec150824287416c322a1d30ea66c938f80 |
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| 03:55.16 | Turl | good night all :) |
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| 07:18.44 | hipboi | mnemoc: hi |
| 07:20.56 | mnemoc | hipboi! |
| 07:24.00 | specing | hipboi! |
| 07:24.07 | specing | \o/ |
| 07:26.42 | hipboi | mnemoc specing: yes |
| 07:27.36 | hipboi | just wondering who is the owner of allwinner-ics on github |
| 07:28.15 | mnemoc | sztupy (Zsolt Sz. Sztupák) |
| 07:28.38 | mnemoc | but i've never seen him |
| 07:28.42 | hipboi | ok |
| 07:28.48 | mnemoc | he seems to be more of the XDA gang |
| 07:29.00 | hipboi | yes |
| 07:29.17 | hipboi | have you downloaded and compiled the android souce? |
| 07:29.24 | mnemoc | Turl has |
| 07:29.28 | mnemoc | and others |
| 07:29.39 | mnemoc | but from a different source and more CM9 centric |
| 07:29.51 | hipboi | ok |
| 07:30.06 | mnemoc | https://github.com/Quarx2k |
| 07:30.25 | mnemoc | he cames here some times |
| 07:30.58 | hipboi | and the allwinner-dev-team on github? |
| 07:31.09 | hipboi | do you know who are they? |
| 07:31.10 | mnemoc | that's Turl |
| 07:31.14 | hipboi | ok |
| 07:33.14 | hipboi | i want to choose a souce code based on to develop my friend's a10 project |
| 07:34.00 | mnemoc | afaik allwinner-dev-team uses the kernel on my github and Quarx2k's android |
| 07:35.47 | hipboi | i see |
| 07:36.33 | mnemoc | Turl is from argentina so he will be sleeping for a while |
| 07:40.46 | hipboi | just wondering there is no documents on how to build ics for a10 |
| 07:41.51 | mnemoc | hipboi: I can ask them when they wake up and give you an answer tomorrow |
| 07:42.44 | mnemoc | hipboi: |
| 07:42.48 | mnemoc | http://androtab.info/cyanogenmod/allwinner/ |
| 07:43.12 | mnemoc | meh, wrong |
| 07:44.08 | mnemoc | that's dead |
| 07:44.14 | hipboi | yes |
| 07:49.54 | ZaEarl | hipboi, this is roughly how I build ics for our a10 tablet: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1014356/ |
| 07:51.16 | mnemoc | hipboi: ah, yes, ZaEarl is from allwinner-dev-team too :) |
| 07:51.27 | ZaEarl | although I see an error: change line 9 to "cd ../..". |
| 07:52.59 | ZaEarl | that will download everything from github and build it (assumming no errors) :) |
| 07:53.54 | hipboi | thanks, ZaEarl |
| 07:54.01 | ZaEarl | also, it is pulling a few files off of the stock rom for now. |
| 07:54.09 | hipboi | just wondering the xml |
| 07:54.21 | ZaEarl | take a look at extract-files.sh to see which files it grabs from the device. |
| 07:54.51 | hipboi | how the manifest find the git repo |
| 07:55.21 | steev | hipboi: it's based on the initial url that you give it for repo init |
| 07:55.37 | steev | that is the url that has the manifest file |
| 07:56.12 | ZaEarl | inside the manifest it grabs a bunch of different git repos. |
| 07:56.14 | steev | if you want to modify anything above and beyond that, you can drop a local_manifest.xml file into .repo/ and it will pull those changes on top/or instead of what's in the manifest |
| 07:56.55 | steev | the issue i personally have is that i can't seem to build a boot.img file correctly |
| 07:58.22 | steev | i may try out zaearl's repo, since it may be better to use the common, and then build out one like zatab for my lyf1, right now i can build the rom fine, but the kernel+modules are completely messed up |
| 08:00.02 | hipboi | i see in the xml, some projects don't contains remote |
| 08:00.11 | steev | it uses the default |
| 08:00.14 | mnemoc | hipboi: the default remote is assumed |
| 08:00.28 | mnemoc | which is normally the parent of the manifest repo |
| 08:00.41 | steev | though as you can see in there, it defaults to github |
| 08:00.52 | steev | lines 11-13 |
| 08:00.57 | hipboi | ok |
| 08:01.43 | steev | i build android for our devices at work, but it isn't as involved at all, just build aosp, then rsync the files to an sdcard |
| 08:01.54 | ZaEarl | As you can see from the manifest, it's mostly a CyanogenMod build. |
| 08:04.34 | steev | ZaEarl: i'm curious, when it builds the zip file for you to install via cwm, is the boot.img file in there dated 2008? |
| 08:05.09 | ZaEarl | steev, no, it builds boot.img, so it's dated the build date |
| 08:05.18 | steev | weird |
| 08:05.45 | ZaEarl | you're welcome to download one of my images and take a look: http://www.zareason.com/shop/files/rommanager/zatab_0.1.4.zip |
| 08:05.48 | naobsd | steev: if you signed, it's true |
| 08:05.56 | naobsd | dated 2008 |
| 08:06.34 | steev | naobsd: ah... hmmm, weird, but okay, that was annoying the crap out of me, i still can't get my own ones to boot, they just kinda sit there at the android start screen (like before android loads) |
| 08:07.08 | steev | i thought because it was setting the date to 2008 it wasn't using my kernel |
| 08:07.14 | ZaEarl | oh, I see, inside the .zip. yes, 2008 |
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| 08:07.46 | steev | i still haven't tracked down the kernel i should be using, apparently i need a module something like, ekt2201 |
| 08:07.57 | steev | which i haven't found in any of the allwinner stuff anywhere (nor in the kernel sources) |
| 08:08.16 | ZaEarl | any idea what it's for? |
| 08:08.29 | hipboi | ekt is the touch key |
| 08:08.32 | steev | i *think* it's the capacitive touch keys on the si |
| 08:08.35 | steev | side* |
| 08:08.40 | steev | the home/back/menu |
| 08:08.40 | naobsd | not weird. I didn't see detail but it's testkey's birthday |
| 08:09.00 | steev | wait, testkey is someone's name? |
| 08:09.08 | steev | i thought it meant it was... literally a test key |
| 08:09.25 | naobsd | testkey is the key to sign zip/jar |
| 08:10.07 | naobsd | steev: can you get serial console output? |
| 08:10.25 | steev | naobsd: sadly no, not yet at least, i need to buy another one, before i start taking mine apart |
| 08:10.33 | steev | mostly because i absolutely love my LY-F1 |
| 08:10.41 | steev | and if anything were to go wrong i'd be a sad panda |
| 08:10.48 | mnemoc | steev: got the second yet? |
| 08:11.10 | steev | mnemoc: i canceled the order cuz pandawill were backordered when i... ordered it (but the page didn't say so) |
| 08:11.25 | naobsd | I never tried but SD card slot can be used as serial console, isn't it? |
| 08:12.03 | steev | i've heard that, but my delving into hacking the stuff in nanda didn't go well |
| 08:12.29 | naobsd | hmm "like before android loads" ... please tell me mkbootimg command line you used |
| 08:12.40 | steev | naobsd: whatever CM defaults to |
| 08:13.09 | steev | or rather, quarx2k's repo defaults to (but i do notice that it says that it can't find ../allwinner/common/ so not using something) |
| 08:13.22 | steev | naobsd: tomorrow when i get to work and crack open my laptop i can give you the exact output |
| 08:13.23 | naobsd | steev: which device tree are you using? it can be overriden by BoardConfig.mk |
| 08:13.41 | naobsd | ah |
| 08:13.44 | steev | naobsd: i'm using quarx's tree, but modified somewhat... actually |
| 08:13.51 | naobsd | I'll check quarx's tree |
| 08:13.56 | steev | https://github.com/steev/android_device_a10 |
| 08:14.28 | steev | the boot.img file that is in there, doesn't exist (but i haven't checked that in yet) |
| 08:14.44 | naobsd | no lines for mkbootimg arguments in quarx's boardconfig.mk |
| 08:14.53 | naobsd | it must not work |
| 08:15.08 | naobsd | please run "unpackbootimg -i boot.img" then |
| 08:15.27 | steev | naobsd: hang on, let me crack out the laptop, screw getting to work |
| 08:16.03 | naobsd | well |
| 08:16.40 | steev | (where by work, i mean going to bed, and then getting to work before getting it out) |
| 08:17.00 | naobsd | https://github.com/naobsd/cm_device_allwinner_a10/blob/master/BoardConfig.mk refer 3 BOARD_KERNEL_* lines |
| 08:17.27 | naobsd | base is most important |
| 08:17.30 | steev | hmmm, okay |
| 08:17.33 | steev | right |
| 08:17.42 | steev | i guess i'd just assumed it was correct |
| 08:17.48 | naobsd | you can unpack & repack by hand (unpackbootimg/mkbootimg) |
| 08:18.23 | naobsd | you can get values by unpackbootimg -i boot.img from stock rom |
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| 08:19.00 | steev | mmm, unpackbootimg doesn't get built by default, okay let me build it real quick |
| 08:19.46 | naobsd | steev: sorry, it's in CM9 source and not in AOSP based tree |
| 08:20.00 | steev | naobsd: i'm based on Quarx's work, so it's CM9 |
| 08:20.09 | steev | steev@lumen /storage/allwinner/ly-f1/system/core/mkbootimg $ ls |
| 08:20.09 | steev | Android.mk bootimg.h mkbootimg.c unpackbootimg.c |
| 08:20.23 | steev | mkbootimg exists in out/host/linux-x86/bin but not unpackbootimg |
| 08:20.34 | naobsd | i see |
| 08:21.26 | naobsd | sorry for ignoring "hang on" ;) I can't stay here so long |
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| 08:21.45 | steev | no worries, i'll figure it out, thanks for the pointers though :D |
| 08:21.59 | steev | you've just pushed me to the right direction |
| 08:26.24 | naobsd | steev: if my memory is correct, tsynik(nikk?) passed same road :) please ask him too |
| 08:27.04 | steev | will do, if i happen to see him, but first i've to sort out why it's not building unpackbootimg for me |
| 08:28.57 | naobsd | yup, it's weird :) |
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| 08:31.09 | naobsd | my A10 repo is officially(?) obsolete. I'm still using/update it for my own purpose, but I don't recommend to fork it. just refer necessary lines if you find something useful |
| 08:31.42 | naobsd | I should update my site/thread about it ;) |
| 08:35.51 | steev | well i should have know that, since i have to use it myself on our work board :P |
| 08:36.01 | steev | i just assumed since the boot.img was made myself it didn't matter |
| 08:37.52 | steev | okay i think i know why it's not building, the question is wth |
| 08:38.52 | steev | okay there we go, not sure why but i had to actually do brunch instead of lunch cm_lyf1 |
| 08:40.06 | steev | BOARD_KERNEL_CMDLINE console=tty0,115200 rw init=/init loglevel=3 |
| 08:40.06 | steev | BOARD_KERNEL_BASE 40000000 |
| 08:40.06 | steev | BOARD_PAGE_SIZE 00000800 |
| 08:40.08 | steev | booyah. |
| 08:41.39 | naobsd | about mkbootimg, 0x prefix is necessary for base, page size need to be decimal(2048) |
| 08:41.59 | steev | yeah, i have them already |
| 08:42.28 | steev | so now, i just need to get the kernel in the proper place, i'm guessing |
| 08:43.39 | naobsd | on TARGET_PREBUILT_KERNEL |
| 08:44.19 | steev | gonna let it run, will pastebin the output, shouldn't take long |
| 08:45.23 | steev | now i don't have the allwinner/common as i mentioned (plan on looking at ZaEarl's setup to possibly do mine that way) |
| 08:45.28 | steev | so i ahve |
| 08:45.29 | steev | have* |
| 08:46.12 | steev | ooh this might work |
| 08:46.22 | steev | i just noticed it added the base and page sizes :) |
| 08:46.44 | steev | https://paste.lugons.org/show/Jb6nHz4feq6LALcMGFjM/ |
| 08:47.56 | naobsd | looks fine |
| 08:48.55 | steev | if this works (actually at this point, even if it doesn't) i owe you a beer, or some other tasty beverage of your choice |
| 08:50.30 | naobsd | if someone knows how to make e-beer which can send via e-mail ;) |
| 08:50.49 | steev | haha |
| 08:51.02 | steev | pretty sure they call it "paypal" these days ;) |
| 08:51.34 | naobsd | ah :) |
| 08:51.50 | naobsd | steev: btw forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1662324 do you know this thread? |
| 08:52.14 | steev | ah yes, i'm steevdave in that thread :) |
| 08:52.36 | steev | woo! |
| 08:52.40 | steev | at least, it got further |
| 08:52.42 | mnemoc | but ebay inc drinks half of it before you can taste it |
| 08:52.50 | naobsd | I see. I thought they just modify quarx's nightly, not building like you |
| 08:52.50 | steev | steev@lumen /storage/allwinner/ly-f1 $ adb wait-for-device logcat |
| 08:52.50 | steev | - exec '/system/bin/sh' failed: No such file or directory (2) - |
| 08:52.59 | steev | naobsd: they do just modify it |
| 08:53.01 | naobsd | mnemoc: lol |
| 08:53.04 | steev | i want to do it correctly :) |
| 08:53.24 | steev | so... i at least have the kernel correct now |
| 08:53.29 | steev | just gotta get the userspace ;) |
| 08:53.39 | naobsd | steev: I guess /system can't be mounted |
| 08:53.48 | steev | probably |
| 08:58.19 | steev | okay i'm guessing the issue is in my updater-script, so once i sort that out |
| 09:00.14 | naobsd | I have no idea about it. I'm using auto-generated script with default release tool in CM9 |
| 09:00.54 | steev | does that happen if updater-script doesn't exist in the device? |
| 09:01.22 | steev | ah, it's in the squisher script |
| 09:01.49 | naobsd | it should be placed in update.zip |
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| 09:03.58 | steev | right, but i meant that squisher is what adds it into there |
| 09:04.09 | steev | releasetools/squisher.sh:cp -f $DEVICE_TOP/updater-script $REPACK/ota/META-INF/com/google/android/updater-script |
| 09:04.30 | naobsd | I'm not sure why squisher.sh was prepared |
| 09:05.32 | steev | looks like Quarx added it to remove a few things that he dislikes :) |
| 09:06.20 | steev | lets try without the squisher.sh |
| 09:07.08 | naobsd | comment out TARGET_CUSTOM_RELEASETOOL in BoardConfig.mk |
| 09:07.10 | steev | it's times like these i miss my old build box, i really need to replace my gaming machine so i can have it back for building |
| 09:07.19 | naobsd | I'm not sure it's ok on his device tree |
| 09:07.49 | steev | well worst that happens is it doesn't boot still ;) |
| 09:08.11 | steev | i've got the aldrospeed one in there |
| 09:08.24 | steev | so i can build this, attempt to test, and if it doesn't work, go back to the aldro |
| 09:08.52 | steev | is there a list of the different BoardConfig.mk options that are possible? |
| 09:09.20 | naobsd | I really want list too! ;) |
| 09:10.38 | steev | while i doubt it will go anywhere, i did email the lyxfsz people and ask them about the kernel+ekt module sources |
| 09:13.09 | steev | the one other minor issue i'd love to fix, is whatever is missing that makes the chrome beta browser for android stop working |
| 09:14.30 | mnemoc | steev: Turl is using the binary goodix_touch_3F.ko over 3.0.31+ using some hacks: https://github.com/amery/linux-allwinner/issues/26 |
| 09:15.11 | steev | interesting |
| 09:15.20 | steev | i do see a flood of incomplete xfer (0x48) in my log |
| 09:18.01 | steev | hmm, okay it doesn't like that i call it lyf1 |
| 09:18.32 | mnemoc | "honey" maybe? |
| 09:18.39 | steev | heh |
| 09:20.02 | naobsd | my dmesg is also flooded |
| 09:20.23 | mnemoc | there are several modules with #define DEBUG |
| 09:20.37 | mnemoc | it's likely you want to remove those |
| 09:21.00 | steev | mnemoc: i'm pulling kernel+modules from the manufacturers img |
| 09:21.45 | naobsd | yup. I'll try to build from source |
| 09:22.05 | steev | ugh, i mean i guess i could go back through and redo all the lyf1->a10, but ugh, i wanted to make it clear that mine wasn't another copy, it was specifically for the lyf1 |
| 09:22.07 | mnemoc | steev: built from the same sources, with #define DEBUG |
| 09:22.25 | steev | mnemoc: entirely possible, but why doesn't the log get spammed with theirs :) |
| 09:22.37 | mnemoc | uh |
| 09:22.48 | steev | s/with/in/ |
| 09:22.56 | naobsd | mm "build kernel from source" |
| 09:25.07 | steev | ugh |
| 09:25.19 | steev | i'm so used to typing gvim device/fsl/blah |
| 09:25.27 | steev | i keep falling back to that instead of device/allwinner/blah |
| 09:26.34 | mnemoc | ln -s allwinner device/fsl |
| 09:26.43 | steev | i've considered it |
| 09:26.52 | steev | but then cm complains about duplicates |
| 09:26.58 | naobsd | basically porting work is just add/remove/replacing modules and key layout |
| 09:27.00 | mnemoc | meh :( |
| 09:28.04 | naobsd | it's better to keep changes small for initial work |
| 09:28.29 | naobsd | "porting work for a10 device is ..." |
| 09:30.14 | naobsd | hmm. I made small program to enter recovery/fastboot which replaces ugly script/command line to update misc partition |
| 09:31.20 | naobsd | erasing misc partition can be done by cwm recovery w/o echo/dd command line. new method should be simple. |
| 09:31.40 | naobsd | I'll push it asap |
| 09:32.11 | naobsd | I need to upload one change to gerrit.cm |
| 09:33.23 | naobsd | feel free to use it on your device tree... |
| 09:33.44 | mnemoc | cameroon? :) |
| 09:35.01 | steev | which what |
| 09:37.19 | naobsd | please give me some time to cleanup... |
| 09:41.10 | steev | oh take your time, i'm playing with ZaEarl's repo at the moment |
| 09:42.12 | naobsd | I'm thinking where is best place to put my updates... I did it on my XDA thread |
| 09:43.23 | naobsd | but lately it's difficult to post something about my work. I'm trying to get it back, but another place e.g. blog page may be better |
| 09:44.07 | mnemoc | forums don't scale well |
| 09:44.15 | steev | they really don't |
| 09:44.56 | naobsd | my work is slow/small. small place is enough :) |
| 09:45.50 | mnemoc | G+ :p |
| 09:46.00 | naobsd | sometimes forum is very clowdy for another topic :) |
| 09:46.22 | naobsd | hmm G+ |
| 09:46.40 | mnemoc | works quite nice as blog |
| 09:47.01 | naobsd | I don't use SNS like system other than twitter but it may be good |
| 09:50.07 | naobsd | maybe it's time to use one of my tablets for stable platform to access blogs/forums/twitter/g+/etc |
| 09:50.53 | naobsd | currently formatting & installing new rom is main job for my devices |
| 09:51.27 | naobsd | I can't answer qustion like how stable my rom ;) |
| 09:52.48 | naobsd | I need to return home now... I'll push my small updates if I can get time tonight. |
| 09:52.54 | naobsd | cya |
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| 12:15.46 | RITRedbeard | Jeez |
| 12:15.55 | RITRedbeard | Guys at #raspberrypi are a buncha pansies. |
| 12:18.33 | steev | heh |
| 12:20.35 | RITRedbeard | I guess it will be funny when winter comes along and there are a host of new devices that surpass the Pi. |
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| 12:23.29 | steev | uh |
| 12:23.48 | steev | pretty sure even that via 49 dollar one is more powerful |
| 12:24.06 | RITRedbeard | It is. |
| 12:24.20 | steev | argh |
| 12:25.16 | mnemoc | :D |
| 12:25.26 | RITRedbeard | I wish I were an electrical engineer. |
| 12:25.40 | RITRedbeard | There is no SoC/single board computer that has what I want. |
| 12:26.46 | RITRedbeard | Or it is close but out of stock. |
| 12:27.50 | RITRedbeard | But I'd rather have Allwinner A10 based solution. |
| 12:28.16 | steev | what do you want |
| 12:30.01 | RITRedbeard | I'd be happy with Pi hardware but if it had 2x better power consumption. |
| 12:30.19 | RITRedbeard | The onboard cheap linear regulators and design really kill power. |
| 12:30.23 | mnemoc | wants a quad-core/4GB imx6 11-12" laptop with sturdy chassis |
| 12:30.28 | RITRedbeard | But A10 stuff looks pleasing |
| 12:30.39 | steev | mnemoc: i can make that happen |
| 12:30.52 | steev | though you may want to wait for the imx7 ;) |
| 12:31.01 | RITRedbeard | Yeah I'm trying to resurrect Thinkpad 240 |
| 12:31.14 | RITRedbeard | or make a routine/guide to resurrecting them and handing them out in education |
| 12:31.19 | mnemoc | steev: -v |
| 12:32.03 | mnemoc | steev: do you have new efika prototypes??? |
| 12:32.18 | steev | no, we're working on something else at the moment |
| 12:32.24 | mnemoc | :( |
| 12:32.35 | steev | that's the face i get every day that we continue to work on it |
| 12:32.43 | RITRedbeard | I wonder if I could use an FPGA to do the LVDS stuff |
| 12:32.48 | mnemoc | then, what did you mean? |
| 12:32.49 | RITRedbeard | scratches chin |
| 12:33.18 | steev | mnemoc: we plan on something along those lines |
| 12:33.39 | mnemoc | steev: timeline? |
| 12:33.45 | steev | the problem is that our board design guy who says yes or no to our ideas is busy til end of june |
| 12:34.00 | mnemoc | i see |
| 12:34.19 | steev | i'd say don't expect anything before christmas, they claim we can have somethign sooner, but i doubt it |
| 12:34.38 | steev | right now i'd just be happy as hell if i could get /system to mount |
| 12:34.54 | mnemoc | doh |
| 12:48.32 | Mazon | imx6 is hardly out and you tell us to wait for imx7 -.- |
| 12:48.49 | Mazon | I'd settle for imx6 for now :) |
| 12:53.35 | mnemoc | :D |
| 12:55.18 | Mazon | afaik, olimex will talk to freescale in june about imx6, so that should be interresting |
| 12:57.17 | steev | Mazon: there's always a better chip on the horizon! |
| 12:58.02 | steev | if you plan to do anything with the mx6, do not release a product using the 1.1 |
| 12:58.03 | steev | rev |
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| 13:18.32 | mnemoc | steev: what do you mean? |
| 13:18.54 | steev | mnemoc: the mx6 1.1 (and below) have broken power management |
| 13:19.06 | mnemoc | i see |
| 13:19.17 | steev | and not something that can be worked around :) |
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| 13:19.40 | steev | imagine our surprise when we had a power budget of 500mW, and we couldn't get the mx6 to go below 5W |
| 13:19.41 | mnemoc | everything fine since 1.2? |
| 13:19.51 | mnemoc | :o |
| 13:20.06 | steev | 1.2 won't be out til june or july |
| 13:20.54 | mnemoc | :o |
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| 13:21.30 | steev | i'm really curious to see this 5-10k run of mx6 tablets |
| 13:21.39 | steev | i wanna see how long they last on battery |
| 13:21.58 | steev | i'd guess no more than 3 hours unless they have a 1.2 in em |
| 13:22.24 | steev | that said |
| 13:22.25 | mnemoc | the olimex guy mentioned fsl asked him for a meeting to talk about imx6 |
| 13:22.30 | steev | if you want a development board |
| 13:22.38 | steev | the mx6 board is really freaking nice |
| 13:22.40 | mnemoc | they may want to screw him (and others) with these defective units |
| 13:23.01 | steev | eh |
| 13:23.16 | steev | not really, you take the messed up chips at a *really* reduced cost |
| 13:23.26 | steev | you put it on a development board, put out disclaimer |
| 13:23.33 | steev | sell for 500 usd |
| 13:24.13 | specing | mmmmm-m-minstabuy! |
| 13:24.55 | steev | non-optimized, running an internal raytracer, with (i think it was) 12 threads, the mx6 was almost as fast as my core i7 and was faster than the core 2 duo |
| 13:25.11 | mnemoc | at 5W?? |
| 13:25.14 | steev | internal to genesi, not internal |
| 13:25.44 | steev | we weren't doing the power testing at that point |
| 13:25.57 | steev | that was pure internal benchmarks |
| 13:26.27 | steev | i.e. this is baseline, where can we go from here |
| 13:28.46 | Turl | :o |
| 13:29.34 | steev | now tell me why it won't mount my /system mnemoc! |
| 13:29.56 | Turl | steev: you're holding it wrong </joke> |
| 13:29.59 | steev | haha |
| 13:30.11 | Turl | steev: do you have ext4 enabled? |
| 13:30.39 | steev | Turl: i'm using the kernel from the original rom (missing the ekt2201 driver source) |
| 13:31.09 | mnemoc | steev: Turl and ZaEarl are the android experts :) |
| 13:31.52 | Turl | steev: I miss my touchscreen driver too |
| 13:32.01 | Turl | steev: but I'm still running the new kernel :P |
| 13:32.26 | mnemoc | s/still // |
| 13:32.29 | steev | Turl: well, it's not that the touchscreen doens't work |
| 13:32.36 | libv | is the mele a?000 really as accessible as it seems as on the wiki? |
| 13:32.38 | steev | it's that back/home/menu don't |
| 13:32.49 | mnemoc | libv: yes |
| 13:32.55 | Turl | mnemoc: on screen or where? |
| 13:33.02 | Turl | eh |
| 13:33.04 | Turl | steev: ^ |
| 13:33.04 | libv | it seems the ideal platform for lima development, both mesa and arm mali kernel side |
| 13:33.16 | mnemoc | libv: yes, absolutely |
| 13:33.17 | libv | but things never are that easy, can't be, never happens |
| 13:33.27 | steev | Turl: the capacative ones |
| 13:33.32 | steev | capacitive |
| 13:33.42 | Turl | mnemoc: btw did I have a look at the patch I sent last night? |
| 13:33.56 | Turl | steev: ah, that's simple configuration missing on the driver |
| 13:33.59 | libv | mnemoc: so what are people running on that thing? xf86-video-fbdev? |
| 13:34.26 | mnemoc | libv: some use mali's too |
| 13:34.40 | libv | what binaries are available for that? |
| 13:34.46 | libv | maybe linaro provided ones |
| 13:34.51 | steev | Turl: hm, maybe i'll try .31 again |
| 13:35.06 | mnemoc | libv: fb doesn't support fbcon but for X it works quite fine |
| 13:35.29 | mnemoc | libv: the mali drivers in the ubuntu image released by hipboi (tom cubie) |
| 13:35.34 | steev | https://paste.lugons.org/show/6PmOelXuNmJEbo455R3t/ |
| 13:35.53 | libv | nice, this way we have a base to compare with on this hw too |
| 13:36.24 | libv | about the fb side of things, there seems to be some kernel cleanup work happening |
| 13:36.47 | libv | i think there are 3 different fb driver for the A10, sun* something |
| 13:37.06 | libv | does anyone have any oversight as to why these are split? |
| 13:37.23 | Turl | they're different hw I believe |
| 13:37.35 | steev | sun3i, 4i, and 5i are different, correct |
| 13:37.48 | libv | so they are not all the same SoC? |
| 13:37.50 | steev | entirely possible that they could share some common code |
| 13:37.51 | steev | no |
| 13:37.56 | mnemoc | libv: sun3i is arm9, sun4i is the A10 (cortex-a8) and sun5i is A12/A12 (a castrated A10) |
| 13:38.04 | mnemoc | A12/A13 |
| 13:38.05 | libv | aha |
| 13:38.08 | libv | cool |
| 13:38.19 | steev | the a13 interests me |
| 13:38.20 | libv | how easy is it to get a hold of sun3i and sun5i? |
| 13:38.49 | mnemoc | sun3i is present in some tablets under the name boxchip F20 |
| 13:38.57 | libv | and how easy is it go get a working kernel for such devices, and what connectors are available to them |
| 13:39.20 | libv | what i am basically asking is: would it be a useful endeavour to try to unify those drivers as much as possible |
| 13:39.23 | mnemoc | sun5i is in some cheap tablets as allwinner A13, and olimex.com is preparing a devkit based on it |
| 13:39.38 | mnemoc | libv: the plan is to unify the sunxi platform, yes |
| 13:40.04 | libv | ok, so people are working on that already? |
| 13:40.35 | mnemoc | currently I'm trying to 3.0 ported to 3.3 |
| 13:40.50 | steev | hmm |
| 13:41.03 | libv | ah, you are amery, as github knows you |
| 13:41.04 | steev | was it Mazon who is with olimex? |
| 13:41.13 | mnemoc | libevyes |
| 13:41.45 | steev | wow |
| 13:41.48 | steev | i kind of like that f20 |
| 13:41.56 | steev | 5" tablet 800x480? |
| 13:42.06 | steev | kinda pricey, but still |
| 13:42.21 | mnemoc | it was hot once :) |
| 13:42.29 | steev | s/was/is/ |
| 13:42.42 | mnemoc | :) |
| 13:42.43 | Turl | ARM9 <- problem for a tablet :P |
| 13:42.44 | steev | i may just go and get one |
| 13:42.59 | libv | mnemoc: what other work is there besides the display stuff? |
| 13:43.16 | libv | surely there is quite a big list there |
| 13:43.23 | mnemoc | libv: there has been no work on the disp drive recently |
| 13:43.37 | mnemoc | driver* |
| 13:44.11 | mnemoc | libv: but help welcomed :) ... I don't really have much spare time :< |
| 13:44.31 | mnemoc | steev: https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B-xbPiTMurpSZ0gzWFJHdGR0Zkk <--- F20's datasheet |
| 13:44.52 | steev | you know what i wish? |
| 13:45.06 | Turl | steev: unlimited money to buy ARM devices? :D |
| 13:45.09 | steev | i wish the mtl017 lcd controller data sheet and docs were available publicly |
| 13:45.14 | steev | Turl: naw, i have that already :P |
| 13:45.20 | Turl | :o |
| 13:45.27 | Turl | share some with me :P |
| 13:45.50 | steev | Turl: i go to my boss and say "omg these guys are competition, we need to get one of their devices. i recommend Y" |
| 13:45.58 | Turl | hah, this touchscreen on my tablet is 10-point :D |
| 13:46.06 | steev | oooh |
| 13:46.12 | steev | mine is only 5 afaik |
| 13:46.18 | steev | has touchscreen envy |
| 13:46.36 | Turl | I wish goodix had an actual email addy though |
| 13:46.37 | steev | not that it matters since i still can't get ti to boot my own stuff |
| 13:46.45 | Turl | support@ is bounced, and sales got me no reply :P |
| 13:46.52 | steev | corporate |
| 13:47.00 | steev | help |
| 13:47.16 | steev | googlesearch for @domain.tld |
| 13:48.33 | Turl | nothing |
| 13:49.45 | Turl | hm found some others |
| 13:49.47 | Turl | info@goodix.com, sales@goodix.com support@goodix.com, serv@goodix.com |
| 13:49.57 | Turl | found a phone number too :P |
| 13:53.34 | steev | heh |
| 13:54.06 | DonkeyHotei | [Wed 2012-05-30 01:40:06 AM PDT] <steev> BOARD_KERNEL_BASE 40000000 <--------- what file is this in? |
| 13:58.17 | steev | DonkeyHotei: BoardConfig.mk |
| 13:58.23 | steev | and it's 0x40000000 |
| 13:59.07 | DonkeyHotei | i ask because that looks like it goes in the uboot env nand partition |
| 14:02.48 | steev | DonkeyHotei: all i know is what naobsd suggested |
| 14:03.52 | steev | and once i did |
| 14:03.57 | steev | it actually started booting |
| 14:04.04 | steev | or at least, getting past where it was previously |
| 14:04.18 | Mazon | steev: no, tsvetan I think |
| 14:04.26 | steev | Mazon: ah |
| 14:05.05 | steev | http://olimex.com/dev/projects.html <-- bottom of page.... 100% in agreement |
| 14:05.14 | steev | so many people just want free hardware and then do zilch with it |
| 14:06.37 | RITRedbeard | or cheap (Raspberry Pi) |
| 14:06.50 | steev | i sometimes apply to developer programs, because i'm also a gentoo developer, and even though i work on this stuff all day for work, it's still a hobby for me. |
| 14:08.26 | DonkeyHotei | but what's the point of giving a free board to someone who already has the board? |
| 14:08.48 | steev | DonkeyHotei: i don't have *every* board |
| 14:09.01 | steev | i.e. i applied to the nvidia program for their tegra2 dev board |
| 14:09.16 | steev | my specialization is freescale chips |
| 14:09.36 | steev | so i get others, and expand my knowledge |
| 14:13.26 | Turl | steev: nvidia sucks @ providing source though |
| 14:13.39 | DonkeyHotei | no, i mean in reference to the quote on the bottom of the page |
| 14:13.42 | steev | no worse than any other soc vendor |
| 14:14.04 | Turl | steev: on .32 their software stack was awful |
| 14:14.05 | steev | DonkeyHotei: no, the point at the bottom is that many people apply *just* to get the free board, and then they do nothing with it |
| 14:14.11 | DonkeyHotei | i know that |
| 14:14.13 | Turl | I think now it's more bearable |
| 14:14.16 | DonkeyHotei | it's predictable |
| 14:14.59 | DonkeyHotei | but the suggestion of giving free boards only to those who already developed with them doesn't make more sense |
| 14:16.00 | Turl | DonkeyHotei: well it kinda does |
| 14:16.09 | Turl | DonkeyHotei: make a project, get a new board for the next |
| 14:16.24 | DonkeyHotei | but, the same board? really? |
| 14:17.54 | DonkeyHotei | if i were doing such a project and looked to use the same board in a different design, i'd just reuse the board i already got |
| 14:23.08 | Turl | that means disassembling your other project |
| 14:23.13 | Turl | which you might want to keep running |
| 14:24.09 | Turl | say you made a bus alert system for your home, that fetches data from the bus company website and shows a countdown for the next bus to hit your favorite bus stop |
| 14:24.17 | Turl | you might want to keep it running |
| 14:28.43 | Turl | (just as context; here buses are GPS-tracked, and you can input bus line # and bus stop # on their website and it gives you an ETA and meters to go) |
| 14:29.47 | specing | Oh god, the english on that olimex page is terrible |
| 14:30.17 | DonkeyHotei | i've seen worse |
| 14:30.21 | Turl | specing: they're bulgarian, don't blame them :) |
| 14:30.24 | DonkeyHotei | most of us have seen worse |
| 14:31.13 | DonkeyHotei | but then, bulgarian text tends to look like really broken russian to me |
| 14:32.18 | DonkeyHotei | aside from their use of the ъ letter, that is |
| 14:33.00 | DonkeyHotei | which just makes words look really weird |
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| 14:34.20 | DonkeyHotei | i have to remember to mentally substitute "а" when trying to sound it out instead of going by the use i know of the letter |
| 14:35.37 | Turl | I just go by "ooh cool, weird characters" :p |
| 14:36.22 | DonkeyHotei | well, my native language is русский, not español |
| 14:36.50 | Turl | :) |
| 14:37.41 | mnemoc | русский is like.... russian? :) |
| 14:37.57 | traeak | cyrillic |
| 14:38.01 | traeak | bulgaria |
| 14:38.06 | traeak | russia, who else? |
| 14:38.11 | DonkeyHotei | provençal would probably look to you what bulgarian looks like to me |
| 14:38.46 | steev | Turl: i'm jealous, i want gps on our buses here |
| 14:39.05 | DonkeyHotei | s/ what bulgarian looks like/ how bulgarian look/ |
| 14:39.09 | DonkeyHotei | grr |
| 14:39.18 | DonkeyHotei | *looks |
| 14:39.23 | DonkeyHotei | not look |
| 14:39.48 | DonkeyHotei | steev: where is here? |
| 14:39.56 | steev | san antonio texas, usa |
| 14:40.08 | specing | DonkeyHotei, complicating sentences, one sentence at a time |
| 14:40.10 | steev | (~45 mins from FSL) |
| 14:40.20 | DonkeyHotei | we've had gps on buses here in san francisco for a dog's age |
| 14:40.32 | steev | yeah, they don't bother here |
| 14:40.37 | steev | but hey, you can always carry a gun! |
| 14:40.43 | DonkeyHotei | heh |
| 14:40.59 | mnemoc | Turl: should I assume https://github.com/allwinner-dev-team/linux-allwinner/commit/476233ec150824287416c322a1d30ea66c938f80 works perfect? |
| 14:41.16 | steev | specing: do you have your LY-F1 about? |
| 14:41.28 | Turl | mnemoc: worksforme :) |
| 14:41.33 | specing | Yes, and it is not an LY-F1 |
| 14:41.41 | steev | oh :( |
| 14:42.01 | specing | Im not sure what is is exactly, either |
| 14:42.27 | traeak | nothing wrong with carrying a gun :-p |
| 14:42.28 | steev | heh |
| 14:43.39 | Turl | DonkeyHotei: provençal sounds like provenzal, which is probably not what you wanted to say :) |
| 14:44.01 | DonkeyHotei | provençal is the language in provence |
| 14:44.07 | steev | so blessed kernel is allwinner-dev-team or still amery's |
| 14:44.48 | Turl | steev: they're pretty much the same :) |
| 14:44.53 | steev | psh |
| 14:44.57 | DonkeyHotei | i was initially going to say portuguese but then decided it wasn't different enough |
| 14:45.10 | steev | pretty much the same could mean a vast different amount of things |
| 14:45.20 | steev | maybe pretty much always means no |
| 14:45.39 | steev | that said, i need a cigarette |
| 14:46.16 | DonkeyHotei | and capeverdean would look to you how the language in belarus looks to me |
| 14:47.12 | steev | argh, i really need to figure out what i'm missing for this camera_set_id bit |
| 14:47.23 | Turl | steev: a-d-t fork has the newer mali, a defconfig for my tab, hacks and to-be-merged fixes |
| 14:48.26 | Turl | the rest is pretty much the same, as I often rebase it |
| 14:48.38 | Turl | (I really should put a warning on the github description :P) |
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| 15:00.49 | steev | Turl: what tab do you have? :) |
| 15:05.58 | steev | and that reminds me, i should probably get back into looking at how livesuit goes |
| 15:14.21 | steev | github is slow today, only getting 600k downloading the kernel |
| 15:16.42 | mnemoc | prefers to start from a second hard .git |
| 15:17.06 | mnemoc | downloading complete linux trees is suicidal |
| 15:19.19 | steev | while at work, sure, when i'm at home it only takes a few minutes |
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| 15:35.30 | CIA-91 | rhombus-tech: Parth master * r37abb62eff23 /allwinner_a10/orders/not_valid/Liminalbits.mdwn: |
| 15:53.44 | Turl | steev: a ZaTab |
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| 15:59.11 | traeak | http://liliputing.com/2012/05/zero-devices-z900-another-android-pc-on-a-stick.html |
| 15:59.17 | traeak | looks like amlogic based stick |
| 16:00.21 | mnemoc | rockchip maybe? |
| 16:00.41 | traeak | single core a9 ? |
| 16:00.59 | mnemoc | ok, amlogic :) |
| 16:01.00 | traeak | doesn't say |
| 16:01.39 | traeak | so what's the stopper on the amlogic ones? dsp block, etc ? |
| 16:01.48 | mnemoc | there aren't that many options for cheap cortex-a9 socs with mali |
| 16:02.42 | traeak | i wouldn't say the amlogic chip is a barn burner |
| 16:04.08 | mnemoc | meaning? :( |
| 16:04.37 | mnemoc | success? |
| 16:04.40 | traeak | doesn't seem to be much of a speed difference |
| 16:04.53 | traeak | ie: speed wise not a bit deal between it and the allwinner |
| 16:04.57 | traeak | big deal i mean |
| 16:06.45 | mnemoc | probably not |
| 16:11.26 | steev | Turl: ah, right |
| 16:11.56 | steev | mnemoc: the mx6 has a single core option |
| 16:12.03 | steev | single, dual and quad |
| 16:15.28 | mnemoc | steev: sure, but from your statement it seemed like all have the pm problem |
| 16:15.41 | steev | afaik, only the quad and dual are available |
| 16:19.19 | mnemoc | i see |
| 16:20.30 | mnemoc | in general, are the x2 and x1 made from defective x4s or made as x2 and x1 from the begining? |
| 16:21.34 | mnemoc | (disabling the defective cores) |
| 16:23.57 | traeak | mx6 still has a locked down gpu and dsp though right? |
| 16:39.54 | A0Sheds | traeak, the imx6 is delayed until at least August, who knows if this spin will get it right or if it will take another |
| 16:42.43 | A0Sheds | for just about all ARM11 and older SOC's you can just order them through distributors...... |
| 16:43.39 | A0Sheds | for ARM cortex a8 and newer the manufacturers want to know what you are going to do with then before they decide to sell the parts to you |
| 16:44.35 | A0Sheds | it will be interesting to see what the availability will be for the imx6 when it officially gets launched |
| 16:44.49 | traeak | cost ? |
| 16:45.09 | mnemoc | agaik it starts at $30 |
| 16:45.25 | A0Sheds | for high volume it has to be competitive with tegra3 and omap etc |
| 16:45.57 | A0Sheds | I bet the price through Arrow will be a bit higher |
| 16:47.14 | A0Sheds | the A10 is what? $16 if you call them now |
| 16:49.19 | A0Sheds | http://www.cnx-software.com/2012/02/24/low-cost-freescale-imx6-quad-sabre-lite-development-board/ |
| 16:49.54 | A0Sheds | I wonder if the issue with the imx6 is the DDR3 controller, the dev board only has 533mhz DDR3 |
| 16:51.33 | traeak | any idea about their 3d unit ? |
| 16:53.15 | A0Sheds | http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/vivante-gpu-ip-cores-power-the-latest-freescale-imx-6-series-of-application-processors-120687829.html same as Marvell |
| 16:53.28 | traeak | wow, vivante? |
| 16:53.38 | traeak | and jz4770 |
| 17:07.00 | A0Sheds | http://confidential.eetimes.com/news-updates/4371528/China-Mulls-National-CPU-Standard China has several cores based on MIPS, but MIPS will eventually shut down and sell their IP and patents, |
| 17:07.49 | A0Sheds | they don't have much confidence in MIPS being around for very much longer |
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| 17:19.59 | mnemoc | iirc st bought the licenses to make loongson legal like 3y ago |
| 17:28.25 | traeak | wow |
| 17:28.34 | traeak | so all the pure risc guys are toast |
| 17:28.47 | traeak | the "hack" instructions sets all won |
| 17:29.54 | mnemoc | pragmatic sounds better :p |
| 17:31.27 | steev | oh son of a |
| 17:31.38 | steev | i think i know why my images won't boot :D |
| 17:31.44 | steev | or wait |
| 17:31.47 | steev | no, hrm |
| 17:32.09 | steev | steev@lumen /storage/allwinner/ly-f1/device/allwinner/a10 $ strings kernel | grep logl |
| 17:32.09 | steev | console=ttyS0,115200 root=/dev/nandb rw init=/init loglevel=8 |
| 17:32.21 | steev | do i need to add the root= into the BoardConfig.mk ? or can i leave that off |
| 17:34.17 | traeak | but really if mips goes down then china can just grab whatever ip stuff they might want/need |
| 17:38.35 | traeak | although some lamer US company may want the IP to go sue everyone |
| 17:46.24 | steev | ah okay |
| 17:46.28 | steev | i see what the deal is |
| 17:48.08 | A0Sheds | the Chinese government could fund the buyout of any CPU core, they don't seem to have an interest in that |
| 17:48.42 | mnemoc | after all they are buying your country as a whole :p |
| 17:49.28 | A0Sheds | http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=MIPS+Interactive#symbol=mips;range=my;compare=;indicator=volume;charttype=area;crosshair=on;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=off;source=undefined; |
| 17:49.48 | A0Sheds | mnemoc, yes, it been a fire sale here for over 10 years |
| 17:51.23 | A0Sheds | http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=ARMH+Interactive#symbol=armh;range=my;compare=;indicator=volume;charttype=area;crosshair=on;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=off;source=undefined; |
| 17:52.04 | A0Sheds | Freescale is not doing too well |
| 17:52.55 | mnemoc | who said they were going to be bought? |
| 17:53.01 | mnemoc | steev: you? |
| 17:53.43 | steev | me? no |
| 17:53.51 | steev | though it wouldn't surprise me |
| 17:55.27 | steev | don't get me wrong, i love their chips |
| 17:55.43 | steev | but they annoy the crap out of us when we bug them and bug them and bug them |
| 17:56.23 | steev | and they give us 3 chips, and some random chinese company is doing a run of 5-10k (granted the power management is broken) *tablets* already, and we're still using... 3 chips |
| 17:59.08 | A0Sheds | steev: which parts? |
| 17:59.18 | steev | parts? |
| 17:59.33 | steev | 1.0 and 1.1 rev mx6 chips have broken power management |
| 17:59.36 | A0Sheds | "they give us 3 chips" |
| 17:59.41 | A0Sheds | ah ok |
| 17:59.49 | steev | mx6q |
| 17:59.51 | A0Sheds | yeah, thats why they told me August |
| 18:00.34 | steev | yeah |
| 18:00.37 | steev | ARGH |
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| 18:00.47 | traeak | how is the vivante then? |
| 18:00.52 | steev | decent |
| 18:01.00 | steev | opencl is iffy |
| 18:01.04 | traeak | just locked to a binary driver though |
| 18:01.11 | steev | what soc isn't |
| 18:01.22 | traeak | hopefully mali (soon) |
| 18:01.23 | steev | leaked drivers != non-binary driver |
| 18:01.29 | steev | lima is still a year away |
| 18:01.33 | traeak | a year ? |
| 18:02.00 | traeak | that would be bad |
| 18:02.00 | mnemoc | if they use tablets instead of a mele, yeah :p |
| 18:02.53 | mnemoc | traeak: but having master libv here is a good sign :) |
| 18:03.05 | steev | mnemoc: make my ly-f1 boot! |
| 18:03.11 | mnemoc | kudos! |
| 18:03.19 | mnemoc | make or made? |
| 18:03.27 | steev | make! since i can't |
| 18:03.33 | mnemoc | :'( |
| 18:03.39 | ZaEarl | sudo make! |
| 18:03.59 | steev | this just doesn't make sense at all |
| 18:04.17 | mnemoc | steev: tried getting an uart to watch? |
| 18:04.42 | steev | the kernel is root=/dev/block/nandb; the working image's kernel is root=/dev/block/nandb, the updater-script (both working and the one i'm building) install boot.img to /dev/block/nandc |
| 18:05.16 | steev | mnemoc: no :/ every time i try to do that.... i end up "bricking" it, and needing to use windows to get back to hacking |
| 18:05.24 | mnemoc | doesn't know enough android for that :-/ |
| 18:05.50 | steev | https://paste.lugons.org/show/bWQxCKezOOQPB0fuQ1Xp/ |
| 18:06.02 | steev | if anyone around has any ideas if ^^ is incorrect, i'm all ears :) |
| 18:06.07 | mnemoc | has anyone built an android image to boot from uSD yet? |
| 18:06.37 | mnemoc | or that's what you are doing steev? |
| 18:06.45 | steev | zatab looks to be adding support for it (or maybe it's quarx) |
| 18:06.48 | steev | no, i'm doing to nand |
| 18:06.51 | mnemoc | I mean, 100% uSD |
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| 18:07.12 | mnemoc | steev: what uboot? hno's doesn't support nand |
| 18:07.14 | A0Sheds | steev: any interest in the Renesas http://am.renesas.com/applications/automotive/cis/cis_highend/rcar_h1/index.jsp |
| 18:07.20 | steev | mnemoc: the default |
| 18:07.37 | steev | A0Sheds: not particularly |
| 18:08.41 | A0Sheds | quad cor cortex a9 with power VR |
| 18:09.08 | steev | yeah, i'm just not impressed with pvr |
| 18:09.28 | steev | i should also mention that i've done bricked my mx6 board |
| 18:09.36 | mnemoc | mali has lima, pvr... |
| 18:10.12 | Turl | mnemoc: I'm doing nand too, but it shouldn't be hard as long as you can boot a kernel with a ramdisk |
| 18:10.45 | mnemoc | even if 1 year away mali has a promise of future freedom while others don't |
| 18:10.46 | A0Sheds | PVR, Mali, Vivante, I wonder what drives their decisions at Freescale, TI, Marvell etc |
| 18:11.08 | mnemoc | it's all about the money, money, money.... |
| 18:11.22 | A0Sheds | and yet Freescale moved to Vivante from PVR |
| 18:11.28 | Turl | mnemoc: PVR has/had? some work done as part of the GMA500 fiasco iirc |
| 18:11.43 | traeak | only minimal work for gma500 |
| 18:12.06 | ZaEarl | don't remind me. gma500 and the successor killed the netbook market |
| 18:12.47 | traeak | intel and microsoft killed the netbook market |
| 18:12.56 | traeak | the friggin brand new cedartrail crap |
| 18:13.03 | traeak | exact same performaance as the previous atom |
| 18:13.07 | mnemoc | cd .. |
| 18:13.08 | traeak | which was same as its predecessor |
| 18:13.08 | mnemoc | err |
| 18:13.24 | traeak | so if you bought an original acer aspire one |
| 18:13.37 | traeak | you're as fast as any atom on the market today |
| 18:13.45 | traeak | ie: zero reason to upgrade anything |
| 18:13.48 | ZaEarl | yup |
| 18:13.59 | Turl | aren't the new ones dual core and stuff? |
| 18:14.16 | traeak | same performance as the d525 (original dual core atom) |
| 18:14.25 | ZaEarl | and with the crap pvr gpu |
| 18:14.27 | traeak | for thedual core parts, some are single core |
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| 18:14.57 | traeak | http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/atom-cedartrtail.html |
| 18:15.00 | traeak | have fun :-p |
| 18:17.40 | ZaEarl | so intel has nothing usable under 10 watts anymore |
| 18:18.35 | A0Sheds | AMD has been picking up the low power end of the netbook market |
| 18:18.52 | mnemoc | loves his E350-powered laptop |
| 18:19.15 | Turl | has a core2duo lappy that can boil water |
| 18:19.43 | xenoxaos | has an 11" i3 powered dm1 |
| 18:19.49 | ZaEarl | e350? at 18 watts? |
| 18:19.54 | mnemoc | if you can't use it on your lap, it can't be called a laptop |
| 18:20.00 | traeak | xenoxaos: you have the best choice here i think |
| 18:20.05 | Turl | mnemoc: I can use it |
| 18:20.30 | xenoxaos | 17w tdp |
| 18:20.31 | Turl | just saying because the cpu can easily hit 80-90 when high load for prolongued periods |
| 18:20.33 | mnemoc | ZaEarl: the power meter says it consumes 15W (11.6" display and SSD) |
| 18:20.38 | Turl | but the outside remains completely bearable |
| 18:20.59 | xenoxaos | the wife left my laptop on in a neoprene sleeve for a couple of hours once.... |
| 18:21.05 | xenoxaos | wasnt very hot at all |
| 18:21.59 | mnemoc | xenoxaos: does the i3 have virtualization? |
| 18:22.05 | xenoxaos | yup |
| 18:22.05 | Turl | I beat you all with 35W TDP http://ark.intel.com/products/35581/Intel-Core2-Duo-Processor-T5800-%282M-Cache-2_00-GHz-800-MHz-FSB%29 |
| 18:22.08 | Turl | oh wait |
| 18:22.09 | Turl | :P |
| 18:22.24 | ZaEarl | the ivy bridge cpus are going to be excellent |
| 18:22.29 | xenoxaos | VT-x, but no VT-d |
| 18:22.30 | mnemoc | Turl: that's only the CPU :) |
| 18:22.52 | Turl | mnemoc: yeah :P |
| 18:22.56 | xenoxaos | i should plug this thing into my kill-a-watt to see what normal use pulls |
| 18:23.06 | traeak | i have to find my kill-a-watt |
| 18:23.30 | traeak | my work lappy is a core i7m |
| 18:23.43 | traeak | ram only runs at 130C, processor locks at 99C |
| 18:23.46 | mnemoc | Turl: my 24" LCD consumes the same as your CPU alone |
| 18:24.06 | traeak | power brick is well....should be called a power block |
| 18:24.30 | Turl | mnemoc: my 24" LED is rated 55W |
| 18:24.37 | mnemoc | ouch |
| 18:25.07 | mnemoc | and I was worried with my desk consuding 60W total, including the NAS |
| 18:25.10 | Turl | (just reading the sticker on the back) |
| 18:26.25 | mnemoc | Turl: http://www.aliexpress.com/product-fm/467538897-Hot-Sale-free-shipping-EU-Version-Power-Balance-Energy-Meter-Monitor-Electricity-Test-Equipment-wholesalers.html |
| 18:26.28 | traeak | i only use my work lappy at home or travel, and not for serious |
| 18:27.01 | Turl | >eu version |
| 18:27.03 | Turl | :P |
| 18:27.23 | Turl | it has the ":o" plugs |
| 18:27.40 | mnemoc | Turl: they have other flavours.... that may match your outlets |
| 18:27.51 | xenoxaos | my desk (i7 920, dual monitor, laptop, modem, router, lamp, 5x NAS, external hdd multiplier) on average uses 305W |
| 18:28.17 | mnemoc | :o |
| 18:28.25 | xenoxaos | kill-a-watt said 146kwh in 478 hours |
| 18:28.35 | mnemoc | damn |
| 18:28.47 | Turl | mnemoc: http://www.aliexpress.com/product-fm/500711370-Free-Shipping-AU-Plug-WATT-Power-Energy-Voltage-Meter-Monitor-240V-wholesalers.html mine is cheaper lol |
| 18:29.13 | mnemoc | Turl: my link was for 2 pieces ;-) |
| 18:29.25 | Turl | oh lol |
| 18:29.25 | mnemoc | didn't know .ar used .au plugs |
| 18:29.49 | ZaEarl | oh, right, that means I can't take my killawatts to NZ. I need to get some 240v ones. |
| 18:29.53 | xenoxaos | i think the k-a-w will go on the home theater for a week or so next.... |
| 18:30.16 | Turl | mnemoc: I think it's AU plug with N and the live wire inverted |
| 18:30.30 | mnemoc | o_O |
| 18:31.21 | Turl | mnemoc: http://www.adaptelec.com/images/plugs_outlets/argentina-socketfit.jpg |
| 18:32.01 | mnemoc | Turl: so you use both, AU and EU? |
| 18:32.40 | Turl | mnemoc: the EU one is actually deprecated |
| 18:32.56 | Turl | and I was told, it's prohibited by law to use it on new buildings |
| 18:33.08 | mnemoc | ah, no, your two rounded holes doesn't have ground and it's not deep |
| 18:33.30 | Turl | yeah, the lack of ground is why :) |
| 18:33.31 | mnemoc | Turl: fancy choice |
| 18:34.28 | mnemoc | .cl has what's shown as "italy" there, three rounded on a row |
| 18:35.31 | Turl | mnemoc: walls usually have the au socket, or a modified one like this http://img1.mlstatic.com/s_MLA_v_V_f_107162102_6803.jpg |
| 18:35.32 | mnemoc | hates doing javascript!!! |
| 18:35.43 | Turl | mnemoc: haha, it's not that bad |
| 18:36.15 | traeak | yes javascript is sad |
| 18:36.17 | mnemoc | Turl: and so 2-rounded works... ic |
| 18:36.21 | traeak | css, all that arteest stuff :-p |
| 18:36.59 | Turl | mnemoc: yeah, it accomodates the 3 kinds of plugs on one socket :) |
| 18:38.05 | Turl | these are also awesome http://www.targetelectronica.com.ar/productos/otros/mas%20fotos/zapatilla6.jpg |
| 18:39.37 | mnemoc | O_O |
| 18:41.17 | libv | steev: how did you figure "a year away"? |
| 18:42.18 | traeak | oh just so you guys know...jagged alliance 2 runs pretty well on the mele at higher resolutions (i'm sure you all were dying to know that) |
| 18:42.44 | mnemoc | traeak: and what is that? |
| 18:42.51 | libv | traeak: how many fragment shaders does an A10 have? |
| 18:43.19 | libv | i know the exynos has 4, and the telechips and amlogic have 1 |
| 18:43.19 | traeak | mnemoc: http://www.gog.com/gamecard/jagged_alliance_2 |
| 18:43.26 | traeak | mnemoc: source code is available |
| 18:43.36 | traeak | that game only does SDL, it's from 1999 |
| 18:43.41 | libv | if you want to bump up resolution, it is all about the fragment shader |
| 18:43.53 | mnemoc | traeak: nice :) |
| 18:43.55 | traeak | no it's changing an ifdef in the build :-p |
| 18:45.01 | libv | mnemoc: question: a12/13 is also mali, right? |
| 18:45.09 | traeak | mnemoc: it's easy, svn checkout, and make, copy over game data files and it runs |
| 18:45.11 | traeak | yes |
| 18:45.50 | libv | about finding out how many fragment shaders there are on the A10: there is mali_info in the lima codebase |
| 18:46.32 | libv | i'd give it 95% chance that it is only a single one, but i have no certainty |
| 18:46.50 | traeak | mali 400 |
| 18:47.00 | traeak | not mali200 but dunno what that means :-p |
| 18:47.29 | xenoxaos | how is the performance of the open source mali drivers? |
| 18:47.41 | libv | xenoxaos: there are no drivers yet |
| 18:47.51 | libv | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTEwODA |
| 18:47.53 | mnemoc | maybe he means the 2D ones |
| 18:48.10 | libv | mali is a 3d core |
| 18:48.52 | libv | traeak: that link i gave has the slides of my saturday talk, the 3rd slide lists the structure of the mali400 |
| 18:49.55 | traeak | libv: gotcha you are just wondering aboutr more details |
| 18:51.12 | libv | yes, especially since you said it was fine at high resolution |
| 18:52.06 | libv | the fragment processor has to run over every 16x16 block separately |
| 18:52.26 | libv | if you have four of them, it is able to pipe through quite a lot more |
| 18:52.56 | libv | and this is then the limiting factor to get high resolutions going |
| 18:53.24 | steev | libv: random guestimation based on other graphics work that's been done for other chips |
| 18:53.52 | libv | i have not done any testing or benchmarking, but from the marketing i'd say that mali400mp1 is not really scaling up to or beyond HD well |
| 18:54.06 | libv | steev: did you see what this precursor to a driver does already? |
| 18:54.06 | zenitraM | takes his novo 7 advanced out of its sleeve. cm9 testing time |
| 18:54.31 | libv | steev: did you see the slides where i describe where we are at with the shaders? |
| 18:54.50 | ZaEarl | libv, do you think it'll less than a year before you have a working driver? |
| 18:54.51 | mnemoc | libv: the 60 pages datasheet of the A13 doesn't give any detail about the mali400 it has... but I bet it's mp1 too |
| 18:55.13 | libv | ZaEarl: the answer to that it: depends on how much time i get to work on it |
| 18:55.50 | ZaEarl | that would be amazing! |
| 18:56.33 | libv | if me and ben get to work full time on it, we should have a driver pretty soon. But since we do not, and we have to work other contracts all the time, it could take a year |
| 18:57.02 | libv | "other" contracts, well, codethink is the only sponsor for lima stuff at this time |
| 18:57.24 | ZaEarl | is there any place to send donations to help out? |
| 18:57.32 | libv | but the codethink time spent so far, is 2.5 months for me, and similar for ben |
| 18:57.57 | libv | rest is my and connor abbotts free time |
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| 18:59.15 | lautriv | hello, i try to get a serial console via usb and a kernel-gadget (g_serial) but device is not visible on host's lsusb. any ideas ? |
| 19:04.59 | traeak | libv: thx for the effort |
| 19:05.51 | ZaEarl | yeah, the lima project is very important |
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| 19:09.53 | libv | well, the hw was just asking for it :) |
| 19:10.57 | traeak | so you'll tackle the vivante next ? :-p |
| 19:11.42 | steev | libv: neg |
| 19:12.25 | steev | was just a guesstimation, i stay away from the open source drivers because i've seen various ones with an NDA and i'd rather not give any company any kind of possibility of doing any kind of suing to stop the work |
| 19:12.28 | libv | traeak: mali t6xx will hit soon enough |
| 19:12.45 | traeak | libv: seems to be more featureful, you seen any of those yet? |
| 19:13.00 | libv | they are not in the wild, so i do not have them either |
| 19:13.11 | libv | we are not supported by arm |
| 19:13.21 | libv | so i have only what is out already |
| 19:14.04 | steev | it's unlikely any company will offer official support |
| 19:14.26 | steev | at least, not until it's finally in a usable state and everyone switches to it :) |
| 19:15.01 | libv | by which time there is no point in supporting it anymore |
| 19:15.12 | steev | yep |
| 19:15.42 | libv | and where did you see open source drivers with ndas? |
| 19:15.44 | traeak | yeah...makes the t6xx suport important |
| 19:17.33 | steev | libv: no, i've seen the sources for the closed ones, so i stay away from the open source drivers so that no company can say hey, this guy said X |
| 19:20.01 | traeak | steev: you seen the t6xx yet? |
| 19:20.06 | steev | no |
| 19:22.57 | steev | ugh, time to build an mx6 kernel |
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| 19:28.13 | steev | ugh |
| 19:28.20 | steev | mnemoc: august before 1.2 chips |
| 19:28.25 | steev | (at a minimum) |
| 19:29.25 | mnemoc | me? |
| 19:29.48 | mnemoc | or you mean the laptop you'll help me buy? :p |
| 19:36.54 | A0Sheds | libv: whats the status of any open drivers for PVR? |
| 19:38.07 | steev | mnemoc: heh, i mean that there won't be chips with non-broken power management before august, so.... |
| 19:38.08 | libv | A0Sheds: the fsf is working on that one. |
| 19:38.40 | mnemoc | steev: ok, I can wait for xmas for the laptop ;-) |
| 19:38.48 | steev | naobsd: still haven't gotten it booting. maybe i'll try creating the boot.img manually like quarx does it |
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| 19:39.07 | traeak | gma500 runs glxgears :-p |
| 19:39.18 | Tsvetan | hi |
| 19:39.28 | mnemoc | wb Tsvetan |
| 19:39.49 | libv | A0Sheds: the real answer is known by anyone who has worked with pvr before: it'll never happen |
| 19:40.58 | libv | except of course if img is the odd one out, and img then does most of the work itself |
| 19:41.02 | libv | but even then... |
| 19:41.34 | steev | libv: dunno, could be like via, who just don't care |
| 19:43.10 | libv | no, via does care, it just didn't care enough and messed up their options, and then ran out of cash |
| 19:43.40 | steev | erk, okay looks like the root isn't populated properly |
| 19:43.53 | steev | unless there really are supposed to be this few number of files |
| 19:51.55 | steev | aha, okay i got it |
| 19:59.00 | CIA-91 | rhombus-tech: lkcl master * r5897ec36817a /allwinner_a10/orders/not_valid/Liminalbits.mdwn: whoops... |
| 20:00.27 | steev | and by i got it, i think i figured out my issue, but we shall see |
| 20:08.04 | Tsvetan | aaah indian request for 150K EOMA units at $15 :))) |
| 20:09.03 | specing | wtf? |
| 20:09.15 | steev | woohoo! |
| 20:09.20 | steev | i did get somewhere! |
| 20:09.46 | steev | I/cm ( 74): Welcome to Android 4.0.4 / CyanogenMod-9.0.0-RC0-a10-UNOFFICIAL |
| 20:14.29 | mnemoc | steev: how? |
| 20:14.44 | steev | only if you promise not to point and laugh |
| 20:15.05 | specing | was it the init location? |
| 20:15.12 | steev | i wasn't copying init.sun4i.* & ueventd.sun4i.rc into the ramdisk |
| 20:15.24 | specing | close enaugh. |
| 20:15.24 | mnemoc | controls the laugh |
| 20:15.30 | steev | although |
| 20:15.35 | mnemoc | :) |
| 20:15.35 | steev | still not out of the woods |
| 20:15.42 | lkcl | Tsvetan: yeah.... not quite understanding that there has to be like... profit? |
| 20:15.47 | lkcl | y'know? |
| 20:16.32 | Tsvetan | lkcl: I'm pretty sure they intended to bargain for $10 over the phone :))) |
| 20:16.37 | CIA-91 | rhombus-tech: lkcl master * rb9cf02da0e24 /allwinner_a10/hacking_the_mele_a1000.mdwn: add u-boot link |
| 20:18.22 | Tsvetan | lkcl: did wits/allwinner gave you git access to their development servers yet? |
| 20:19.05 | lkcl | Tsvetan: naah - i haven't asked |
| 20:19.17 | mnemoc | Tsvetan: .cn is "show me the money" or don't bother ;-) |
| 20:19.18 | specing | is not expecting the price to fall below 30$ |
| 20:19.44 | lkcl | mnemoc: or "show me someone else's money" :) |
| 20:19.51 | mnemoc | :D |
| 20:20.15 | CIA-91 | rhombus-tech: lkcl master * r50f56ba29de5 /allwinner_a10/hacking_the_mele_a1000.mdwn: add u-boot link |
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| 20:22.53 | Tsvetan | lkcl: If I'm lucky tomorrow I may have access to their git servers |
| 20:23.20 | mnemoc | \o/ |
| 20:23.34 | Tsvetan | and we may have decent up to date image of their kernel sources |
| 20:24.00 | Tsvetan | OLinuXino buzz opened some doors at allwinner |
| 20:25.10 | mnemoc | the last update on Qware's release was from feb 2 |
| 20:25.42 | piritos | how powerful the mali400 is? |
| 20:25.56 | piritos | can it play the famous killa sample? |
| 20:26.30 | piritos | http://prohardver.hu/dl/cnt/2009-09/50715/video/x264_killa_sample.mkv |
| 20:26.44 | piritos | ^that one |
| 20:26.52 | mnemoc | piritos: mali is a 3D engine, not a video decoder |
| 20:27.31 | piritos | oh, sorry :o) |
| 20:28.01 | piritos | so the thing in mele a1000 can play it? |
| 20:28.50 | mnemoc | most probably |
| 20:29.27 | piritos | its an AVC High@L5.1 sample |
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| 20:31.08 | mnemoc | I can't try it, maybe someone else can give it a try |
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| 20:33.12 | steev | aha, okay, now my issues are because of my modules :) |
| 20:33.27 | Tsvetan_ | my wifi playing with me |
| 20:37.02 | steev | i can't, i'm fighting with the mx6 :) |
| 20:37.13 | steev | also, tryign to fix the kernel on my ly-f1 :) |
| 20:38.18 | mnemoc | Tsvetan_: once you get the sources first hand, please try to get an explicity statement about the files in the kernel been GPL |
| 20:40.20 | CIA-91 | rhombus-tech: Arley master * rf258b60ef98b /allwinner_a10/orders/.mdwn: |
| 20:40.25 | Tsvetan_ | mnemoc: ok, but I guess they really do not care about this stuff |
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| 20:44.22 | piritos | ive got disconnected |
| 20:44.39 | CIA-91 | rhombus-tech: Arley master * rfe94444627ca /allwinner_a10/orders/arrr2.mdwn: |
| 20:45.58 | ZaEarl | piritos, my a10 tablet can play that file. |
| 20:46.23 | piritos | thank you! |
| 20:46.37 | piritos | great news :) |
| 20:47.07 | ZaEarl | 96mb in just 23 seconds |
| 20:47.13 | piritos | raspi couldnt play it |
| 20:48.12 | piritos | have u seen the link for the mali driver in xbmc forum? is that enough to run unity desktop? |
| 20:48.26 | mnemoc | Tsvetan_: with a clear license we can't mainline anything of that or anything based on that |
| 20:48.29 | piritos | http://www.malideveloper.com/developer-resources/drivers/open-source-mali-gpus-linux-exadri2-and-x11-display-drivers.php |
| 20:49.18 | mnemoc | Tsvetan_: without* |
| 20:49.19 | hno | thinks mnemoc meant without |
| 20:49.24 | mnemoc | yes |
| 20:50.07 | mnemoc | Tsvetan_: but you, having received the sources directly for them, are the only entitled for asking :< |
| 20:50.32 | Tsvetan_ | will e-mail confirmation statement have any value? |
| 20:50.57 | Tsvetan_ | for instance I ask and Wits, says - oh yes they are GPL |
| 20:51.05 | traeak | apparently my desktop can't handle this video |
| 20:51.08 | mnemoc | hno: ---^ ? |
| 20:51.15 | Tsvetan_ | but nowhere in the sources is written if they are GPL or not :) |
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| 20:51.26 | mnemoc | traeak: your desktop doesn't have a DSP |
| 20:51.36 | tallnerd1985 | Hi guys |
| 20:52.03 | traeak | mnemoc: trying to figure out how to make the gf240 play it or something |
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| 20:52.28 | steev | ugh |
| 20:52.30 | traeak | all these damn errors that dump during the video, oh well |
| 20:52.34 | steev | no idea where it's getting this kernel from |
| 20:52.56 | steev | <5>[ 0.000000] Linux version 3.0.31+ (steev@lumen) (gcc version 4.4.3 (GCC) ) #1 PREEMPT Wed May 30 10:53:44 CDT 2012 |
| 20:53.08 | steev | i mean, sure, i built one, once upon a time |
| 20:53.32 | mnemoc | Tsvetan_: I believe that if you can forward their response *as attachment* to the arm-netbook mailing list (yahoo destroys the mails) we can use it as statement.... hno? |
| 20:54.13 | mnemoc | steev: I thought you were using 3.0.8 |
| 20:54.19 | steev | mnemoc: me too :D |
| 20:54.23 | mnemoc | :) |
| 20:54.26 | steev | i mean i had at one point attempted that kernel |
| 20:54.43 | steev | but i have the 3.0.8+ kernel in device/allwinner/a10, and i have it in the PRODUCT_COPY_FILES |
| 20:55.07 | steev | 10-blobs.mk:device/allwinner/a10/kernel:kernel |
| 20:55.37 | steev | ah well, did a clean of the build dir |
| 20:55.40 | steev | see how this goes |
| 20:56.00 | tallnerd1985 | steev: What device are you building for? |
| 20:56.34 | mnemoc | steev: if the open tree works, why using the binary blob? ;-) |
| 20:56.41 | mnemoc | tallnerd1985: fyl1 |
| 20:57.08 | tallnerd1985 | What's that? |
| 20:57.24 | mnemoc | the first a10-based tablet that was available |
| 20:57.41 | tallnerd1985 | I see |
| 20:58.21 | steev | mnemoc: i gotta modify the build system first, let me get it building* |
| 20:58.43 | tallnerd1985 | Is a a10 a viable Debian platform or too slow? |
| 20:59.43 | mnemoc | tallnerd1985: too slow for what? it's a 1GHz cortex-a8 processor |
| 21:00.28 | tallnerd1985 | Hehehe, my bad. I haven't dabbled in Linux on arm since the Motorola webtop days |
| 21:00.36 | tallnerd1985 | It was slow then |
| 21:01.30 | ZaEarl | it'll make a fine debian machine |
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| 21:01.50 | ZaEarl | debian will be much faster than android, and android is great on it |
| 21:02.19 | tallnerd1985 | Sweet, now it's wether to get the mk802 or meele box |
| 21:02.35 | mnemoc | mele, no doubt |
| 21:02.41 | ZaEarl | make sure you get 1gb ram whatever you get |
| 21:02.50 | tallnerd1985 | That was the plan |
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| 21:04.38 | tallnerd1985 | I might do mele for the house but maybe the mk802 for the car is my thought |
| 21:05.32 | piritos | ZaEarl: does facebook games works fine on your tablet? |
| 21:05.59 | ZaEarl | piritos, never tried |
| 21:06.00 | mnemoc | tallnerd1985: note the mk802 connects to hdmi with a cable, not a real stick |
| 21:06.32 | tallnerd1985 | Really? That sucks |
| 21:08.26 | mnemoc | yes |
| 21:08.50 | tallnerd1985 | Well that solves that then |
| 21:09.13 | piritos | bb |
| 21:09.37 | mnemoc | i'm sure A10-based sticks with real HDMI connector will come out soon |
| 21:09.41 | mnemoc | and possibly cheaper |
| 21:09.48 | tallnerd1985 | True |
| 21:10.29 | tallnerd1985 | Couple that with the chameleon UI, perfect for carPC |
| 21:10.44 | tallnerd1985 | Or cornerstone |
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| 21:18.32 | mnemoc | http://www.dealextreme.com/p/mini-android-2-3-hd-1080p-network-media-player-w-wi-fi-hdmi-usb-av-tf-134686 |
| 21:19.03 | steev | that's kinda cute |
| 21:19.17 | mnemoc | and has a real antenna |
| 21:19.20 | steev | guessing 8192 for wifi |
| 21:19.35 | mnemoc | is there anything else? :p |
| 21:20.13 | mnemoc | those reltek usb chips seems to be the cheapest available |
| 21:21.08 | steev | rt3070 |
| 21:21.22 | zenitraM | all advertised as 802.11n capable... |
| 21:22.11 | zenitraM | mm that's a *cheap* price for dealextreme |
| 21:22.40 | tallnerd1985 | How many different a10s are out there? |
| 21:22.57 | mnemoc | tallnerd1985: you mean devices? hundreds |
| 21:23.03 | ZaEarl | tallnerd1985, over 9000 |
| 21:23.09 | tallnerd1985 | Good lord |
| 21:23.18 | mnemoc | tallnerd1985: it's a very popular SoC |
| 21:23.47 | tallnerd1985 | Tell me about it, I was surprised to learn about these devices until this morning |
| 21:24.10 | mnemoc | :) |
| 21:24.44 | tallnerd1985 | Screw these ATVs for Plex, a10s ftw |
| 21:25.49 | hno | if an authorative source within allwinner says that it's GPL then we should be fine. But may need to include an explicit list of files the statement covers. |
| 21:25.58 | t0dbld | hno: what is csi_stby_mode |
| 21:26.12 | t0dbld | whats csi ? |
| 21:26.17 | hno | camera |
| 21:26.23 | t0dbld | ahh thanks |
| 21:26.38 | hno | mnemoc see above. |
| 21:26.52 | mnemoc | hno: I bet the multiplicity of company names makes things even harder |
| 21:27.03 | mnemoc | hno: it's wits and not allwinner who provides the stuff |
| 21:27.22 | mnemoc | even when both are the same thing |
| 21:27.38 | hno | do no seem to be the same entirely. |
| 21:28.31 | hno | more likely different companies within the same group, one service company (wits) and one doing the chip (allwinner) |
| 21:29.17 | hno | Would expect same owners, partial staffing overlap. Shared administration. |
| 21:29.25 | mnemoc | they have several alter egos, some very funny names.... "xxxx electronics" is even better than "krosspower" |
| 21:30.24 | hno | xxxx electronics is most likely from when they were looking for new names. |
| 21:32.44 | hno | wonder why they had to abandon Boxchip. There is no traces of it in the sources from what I have seen, and yet clearly it's the same chip family. |
| 21:34.02 | mnemoc | too similar to rockchip? |
| 21:35.47 | mnemoc | the rk2918 is stricking strongly |
| 21:43.42 | steev | hno: what module are we talking about? |
| 21:44.27 | mnemoc | steev: most of the a1X sources don't have any license header |
| 21:44.36 | steev | a1X? |
| 21:44.42 | steev | is it on github? |
| 21:44.51 | mnemoc | f20/a10/a12/a13 |
| 21:44.57 | steev | oh, right |
| 21:45.18 | mnemoc | yes, the stuff I maintain in github |
| 21:46.39 | mnemoc | the full diff includes over 4500 files from which ~2900 don't mention GNU (cheap grep check) |
| 21:46.49 | steev | have an example file? |
| 21:47.02 | steev | i seem to be having bad luck and every one i've opened has said GPL at the top :/ |
| 21:48.04 | steev | well maybe because i'm in sun4i |
| 21:48.07 | mnemoc | https://github.com/amery/linux-allwinner/blob/wip/linux-3.3-sunxi/forward-3.0-v2/arch/arm/mach-sun4i/clock/clock.c |
| 21:48.26 | mnemoc | even with a lovely "All Rights Reserved" |
| 21:48.47 | steev | https://github.com/amery/linux-allwinner/blob/allwinner-v3.0-android-v2/arch/arm/mach-sun4i/clock/clock.c |
| 21:48.53 | steev | ah yeah i was just looking at that one :P |
| 21:49.05 | mnemoc | funny coincidence |
| 21:49.21 | mnemoc | from ~2900 we chose the same |
| 21:49.54 | steev | i figured the clock s would be private :) |
| 21:50.04 | steev | or alternatively, that they would obviously be using a GPL only symbol |
| 21:50.04 | mnemoc | pm too |
| 21:50.55 | mnemoc | in the drivers they use EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL and MODULE_LICENSE("GPL").... but no header |
| 21:50.59 | steev | never did hear back from those people at lyxfsz or whatever it is. i'll give em more time i suppose. zyxel has taken over 2 months |
| 21:51.27 | steev | well you can't use EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL without it being GPL |
| 21:53.07 | mnemoc | does that "can't" statement have legal value? |
| 21:53.14 | hno | steev, you can't do many things people do. |
| 21:53.50 | steev | mnemoc: well considering i have no GPL code in the kernel, I can't go after anyone, perhaps i should have said, you shouldn't use |
| 21:53.57 | hno | You absolutely can't link an "All rights reserved" licensed object into any GPL program. |
| 21:54.20 | steev | hno: you CAN, you shouldn't, and it's probably not binding |
| 21:54.56 | hno | either way it's a mess from license perspective. |
| 21:55.16 | mnemoc | so, who helps Tsvetan to prepare a mail for Wits explaining the issue? :) |
| 21:56.27 | DonkeyHotei | licensing applies to distribution. without distribution, licenses become irrelevant |
| 21:56.42 | hno | first step is to build a list of the relevant files. |
| 21:56.46 | mnemoc | Tsvetan is getting the sources directly from allwinner |
| 21:57.17 | steev | well tell him to get the ekt2201! |
| 21:57.54 | mnemoc | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/24940371/A10/sunxi-3.3-diffstat.txt |
| 21:58.31 | mnemoc | uhm... lsdiff better |
| 21:58.42 | hno | DonkeyHotei, licensing applies in all uses, not only distribution. It's just that GPL gives a very broad usage license "do what the heck you want on your own computer" and only restrict distribution. |
| 21:58.59 | steev | mnemoc: its not in there :( |
| 21:59.32 | mnemoc | steev: ekt2201 is then added by ly |
| 21:59.40 | steev | boo |
| 21:59.45 | hno | A file licensed with just "All rights reserved" or no license at all can not even be read without violating it's license. |
| 21:59.57 | DonkeyHotei | hno: copyright is a right to copy, and does not govern non-copying uses |
| 22:00.24 | mnemoc | opening a file implies copying it to ram :p |
| 22:00.43 | mnemoc | you always copy |
| 22:01.17 | ZaEarl | in the L1 cache, and the L2 cache, and the L3 cache, and the HD cache, ... |
| 22:02.21 | mnemoc | $ xargs -- grep -l -i 'all rights reserved' < sunxi-3.3-lsdiff.txt | wc -l |
| 22:02.24 | mnemoc | 1651 |
| 22:02.30 | DonkeyHotei | mnemoc: that's the question of "fair use" |
| 22:03.48 | mnemoc | $ xargs -- grep -l -i -w -v 'GNU' < sunxi-3.3-lsdiff.txt 2> /dev/null | wc -l |
| 22:03.51 | mnemoc | 3938 |
| 22:03.56 | mnemoc | :'( |
| 22:07.44 | mnemoc | ok, that grep -v doesn't work |
| 22:08.05 | mnemoc | while read f; do if ! grep -q -i -w -e 'GNU' "$f"; then echo $f; fi; done < sunxi-3.3-lsdiff.txt | wc -l |
| 22:08.08 | mnemoc | 2611 |
| 22:08.49 | lundman | you are reading a text file, with "read f" ? |
| 22:09.00 | mnemoc | nope, the name |
| 22:09.22 | lundman | ah text file of filenames? |
| 22:09.29 | mnemoc | yes |
| 22:09.47 | mnemoc | the filenames touched by the diff v3.3.7, the base of that branch |
| 22:10.41 | mnemoc | 3942 files total |
| 22:10.43 | steev | SUCCESS |
| 22:10.59 | steev | almost |
| 22:12.05 | mnemoc | http://www.h-online.com/open/features/Enforcing-the-GPL-Kernel-hackers-join-the-fight-1586483.html |
| 22:12.13 | mnemoc | from today |
| 22:12.54 | steev | hmmm, wth |
| 22:13.45 | steev | i have to figure out how to set the display to be 800x480, seems to be set to 1024x600 |
| 22:14.13 | mnemoc | it's so frustrating to feel that all the energy invested may have been a waste because the code is not GPL.... |
| 22:14.33 | mnemoc | steev: build.prop or script.bin |
| 22:17.31 | ZaEarl | mnemoc, I talk with Bradley Kuhn@SFC often. Want me to ask their opinion on the psuedo-gpl files? |
| 22:19.34 | mnemoc | ZaEarl: my brain refuses to understand or remember any legal stuff.... i don't know what pseudo-gpl files are.... but sure, it won't hurt |
| 22:19.52 | ZaEarl | files in the gpl module not listing a gpl notice |
| 22:21.10 | mnemoc | sure |
| 22:21.14 | mnemoc | great |
| 22:21.30 | steev | grah |
| 22:21.38 | steev | shell@android:/system/lib/modules $ modprobe dm9620 |
| 22:21.39 | steev | modprobe: 'dm9620.ko': Operation not permitted |
| 22:21.41 | mnemoc | people also ask him about core files (clock and pm!) been marked as "all right reserved"! |
| 22:21.46 | mnemoc | steev: sudo? :p |
| 22:21.52 | steev | sudo doesn't seem to exist |
| 22:21.58 | steev | and i've loaded 3 other modules! |
| 22:22.15 | mnemoc | dmesg may say the real reason |
| 22:22.26 | mnemoc | hardware note detected is a common one |
| 22:22.42 | steev | nope :/ it's just being spammed with incomplete xfer 0x48 |
| 22:22.43 | mnemoc | s/people/please/ |
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| 22:36.34 | zenitraM | huh... wtf |
| 22:36.36 | zenitraM | http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/484889112/the-pocket-tv-makes-any-tv-a-smart-tv |
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| 22:46.07 | steev | erk |
| 22:48.14 | steev | missing something, permissions are all wack |
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| 22:56.12 | *** join/#arm-netbook tom_say (~quassel@cpe-68-203-248-184.stx.res.rr.com) |
| 23:07.48 | Turl | http://www.aliexpress.com/store/103919/211357151-521310904/Ainol-Novo-7-Tornados-7-Android-4-0-Tablet-PC-Cortex-A9-1GHz-1GB-DDR3-16GB.html?promotionId=100008607 |
| 23:46.40 | A0Sheds | makes sense, A10 dropped the floor on the market for ARM SOC's, now the AML8726 should be lower priced |
