| 00:06.19 | penguin42 | that's not bad money at all for an A9 and 1GB of RAM |
| 00:33.08 | Turl | steev: adb root first |
| 00:36.23 | penguin42 | http://www.engadget.com/2012/05/30/zte-athena-teased/ talk of an A15 phone - would be interesting |
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| 00:49.26 | A0Sheds | penguin42, it would be nice to have A15 soc's available |
| 00:51.25 | penguin42 | yeh |
| 00:56.17 | A0Sheds | http://www.stericsson.com/products/L9540-novathor.jsp ARM® dual Cortex- A9 processor clocked at up to 1.85Ghz OWERVR SGX544 GPU |
| 00:56.57 | A0Sheds | the 9600 by ST is a dual/quad a15, but not data sheets yet |
| 00:58.16 | A0Sheds | http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/minisite/Exynos/products5dual.html |
| 00:58.57 | A0Sheds | A-15 Dual Core mobile CPU, presented by Samsung Semiconductor. the 1.7/2GHz |
| 00:59.21 | A0Sheds | http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/file/product/Exynos_5_Dual-1.pdf |
| 00:59.43 | A0Sheds | with Mali |
| 01:00.37 | A0Sheds | http://www.tomshardware.com/news/samsung-cortex-a15-soc-cpu-processor,15485.html now for samples |
| 01:00.53 | A0Sheds | who knows how long |
| 01:06.05 | A0Sheds | http://www.phonearena.com/news/ARM-announces-quad-core-Cortex-A15-chips_id29203 |
| 01:06.48 | penguin42 | right, time for bed |
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| 06:41.45 | hipboi | hno: ping |
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| 06:49.55 | hno | morning |
| 06:52.37 | hno | hipboi: pong |
| 06:52.50 | hipboi | about the dram size in u-boot |
| 06:53.08 | hipboi | is there a better way to solve the problem? |
| 06:53.13 | hno | yes |
| 06:53.26 | hno | better than what? |
| 06:53.52 | hno | better than probing? |
| 06:53.58 | hipboi | better than try different paras to init the dram controller |
| 06:55.10 | hipboi | like try io width 16 to init dram, if failed try io width 32 to init dram |
| 06:55.29 | hno | for sun4i trying the different known configurations might work, but to support sun5i more peremeters will be needed to tune i think. |
| 06:55.45 | rell01 | hi |
| 06:56.17 | rell01 | hipboi: thanks for your answer, hoping to find a way to get my mele ;-) |
| 06:57.08 | hipboi | rell01: the one to German? |
| 06:57.13 | rell01 | yep |
| 06:58.20 | hno | hipboi: i think i would prefer a configuration header similar to what is done for boot0. but if you think probing will work reliably then thats obviously easier to users. |
| 06:59.14 | hipboi | so put the config in the sun4.h? |
| 06:59.38 | hno | is the dram parameters also in script.bin? because if they are then a tool can be made to shadow them from there to the boot image. |
| 07:00.02 | hipboi | yes, dram paras are in script.bin |
| 07:01.04 | hno | is a13 using the same dram controller with only different settings? |
| 07:01.19 | hipboi | a13 uses the same dram controller |
| 07:01.22 | hipboi | i think |
| 07:01.28 | hipboi | let me confirm |
| 07:02.33 | hipboi | yes |
| 07:02.45 | hipboi | a13 and a10 are the same dram controller |
| 07:03.16 | hipboi | no software change needed |
| 07:04.56 | hno | if you can add a couple of different dram setting to the header then me and mnemoc can work on making it easy. if you could crossreference them (comments) with system.bin parameters then even better |
| 07:05.32 | hipboi | system.fex is commented |
| 07:06.02 | hipboi | ok, i see |
| 07:06.50 | hno | i meant how the parameters in the header relates to system.fex parameters, if not obvious (have not looked very closely at this yet) |
| 07:07.08 | hipboi | yes, i understand |
| 07:10.15 | hipboi | btw, can you add me to your github uboot-allwinner? |
| 07:10.34 | hipboi | i can receive emails of issues |
| 07:13.21 | hno | ofcourse. |
| 07:17.10 | hipboi | thanks |
| 07:20.10 | hno | done |
| 07:21.21 | hno | hopefully there won't be much issues reported. |
| 07:21.57 | hipboi | yes |
| 07:22.13 | hipboi | any plan upstreaming? |
| 07:26.51 | hno | yes there is thoughts on that. |
| 07:27.25 | hno | however, but usb & nand code lacks a usable license and most users need at least nand support. |
| 07:27.39 | hipboi | yes |
| 07:27.49 | hipboi | the nand is a problem |
| 07:28.23 | hipboi | license is not a problem |
| 07:28.29 | hno | "All rights reseved" as license do not quite work out.. |
| 07:29.19 | hipboi | ok |
| 07:29.23 | hno | i being an outsider can not change the license text. only cpyright owner can. |
| 07:29.33 | hipboi | let me check the files |
| 07:29.40 | hipboi | and ask them to change |
| 07:30.19 | hno | same problem for kernel as you probably are aware of already. |
| 07:30.32 | hipboi | yes |
| 07:31.52 | mnemoc | ZaEarl: ping |
| 07:32.08 | mnemoc | moin hipboi, hno |
| 07:32.12 | ZaEarl | mnemoc, hi |
| 07:32.22 | mnemoc | ZaEarl: can I /q you? |
| 07:32.25 | ZaEarl | sure |
| 07:32.52 | hipboi | my manager went to Linaro Connect this week |
| 07:33.01 | ZaEarl | I so wanted to go to that. |
| 07:33.19 | hipboi | Arnd Bergmann from linaro told him |
| 07:33.36 | hipboi | that our kernel source do not follow linux stardard |
| 07:33.42 | hipboi | : ) |
| 07:33.59 | hno | hipboi, usb code seems to build fine in current uboot, but need to add standard uboot interface to the code so uboot can use it proper. |
| 07:34.16 | lkcl | hipboi: surpriiise! :) |
| 07:34.17 | hno | the fastboot code is very hardwired |
| 07:34.32 | hipboi | lkcl: me, too |
| 07:35.41 | hipboi | hno: i think we can abandon the fastboot code |
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| 07:36.36 | mnemoc | hipboi: there are 1651 files in the patch saying "all right reserved"... which is totally against the linux license :p |
| 07:39.07 | hipboi | mnemoc: so can "I" change it or i have to ask the owner of every file to change it |
| 07:40.46 | mnemoc | hipboi: if you can make a commit using your @allwinnertech account correcting all copyright headers to comply with the GPL it would be more than awesome |
| 07:41.42 | hipboi | mnemoc: i see |
| 07:42.14 | mnemoc | can you? :) |
| 07:43.17 | mnemoc | copyright remains on allwinner, but the "licensing" needs to be explicit |
| 07:43.56 | hipboi | mnemoc: yes, i can |
| 07:44.14 | hipboi | but i need to ask for permission |
| 07:44.47 | mnemoc | \o/ |
| 07:45.13 | hipboi | after my manager back from Hongkong, i think he will realise license matters |
| 07:46.15 | mnemoc | in the same way you honor the license of ARM and your other IP partners, you have to honor the licenses of the open source code you enrich from |
| 07:46.23 | mnemoc | (you == allwinner) |
| 07:47.52 | lkcl | hipboi: yes it does! "all rights reserved" means quite literally "everyone including end-users must ask before doing *ANYTHING*!" even "lend it to their mum", or "watch a video" |
| 07:48.19 | hipboi | lkcl: ... |
| 07:48.36 | lkcl | that's like... tens of millions of people all using their product illegally because they're not deluging allwinner with millions of emails :) |
| 07:49.09 | lkcl | which is crazy |
| 07:50.19 | mnemoc | hipboi: it's a naive mistake (legal bug) which needs to be... corrected |
| 07:52.13 | mnemoc | lkcl: don't scare him! we need Tom alive :) |
| 07:52.44 | hipboi | mnemoc: ) |
| 07:53.10 | mnemoc | lkcl: but you are entitled to ask "your associates" to dissuade Allwinner's market and legal depts :p |
| 07:54.36 | mnemoc | hipboi: http://www.h-online.com/open/features/Enforcing-the-GPL-Kernel-hackers-join-the-fight-1586483.html <--- relevant, from yesterday |
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| 07:59.37 | Tsvetan | hi |
| 07:59.41 | mnemoc | wb Tsvetan |
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| 08:16.13 | mnemoc | I talk and everyone goes away... :( |
| 08:17.06 | lundman | maybe it's your accent |
| 08:19.01 | mnemoc | or my breath |
| 08:19.56 | lundman | curse this 21st century 4D irc network |
| 08:36.55 | hipboi | Brogrammer, i just heard it today |
| 08:40.00 | mnemoc | hipboi: refered to you? |
| 08:40.08 | hipboi | no... |
| 08:40.17 | hipboi | just wondering if you guys are |
| 08:40.44 | mnemoc | doesn't even emit sounds to greet |
| 08:41.09 | mnemoc | just a movement of the head.... no idea why I can't speak anymore :| |
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| 10:45.05 | mnemoc | hipboi: which of the axp chips is used with the F20? |
| 10:47.37 | hipboi | mnemoc: just back from dinner |
| 10:47.49 | mnemoc | wb :) |
| 10:53.29 | hipboi | i think apx202 |
| 10:53.42 | hipboi | with F20 |
| 10:54.17 | mnemoc | cool, so the same driver as sun4i and sun5i |
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| 11:01.59 | mnemoc | hipboi: btw, how's the shop going? worths the troubles? |
| 11:02.10 | hipboi | it's on the way |
| 11:02.22 | hipboi | the postman will pick up the package later |
| 11:02.35 | mnemoc | no no... i don't mean my package |
| 11:02.39 | mnemoc | i mean your new business |
| 11:02.44 | hipboi | ok |
| 11:02.56 | hipboi | you mean the cubies hacker shop |
| 11:03.01 | mnemoc | yes |
| 11:03.04 | hipboi | it's not bad |
| 11:03.07 | hipboi | stable now |
| 11:03.32 | hipboi | i have some problem with the shipping before |
| 11:03.53 | mnemoc | for using sweden post to europe? |
| 11:03.59 | hipboi | no |
| 11:04.07 | hipboi | for i can not ship in time |
| 11:04.36 | mnemoc | i see |
| 11:05.04 | hipboi | because i disappeared for a long time |
| 11:05.25 | hipboi | and the Spanish forum guys kept asking |
| 11:05.40 | mnemoc | spaniards can be annoying :p |
| 11:05.51 | hipboi | i am stressed for some time |
| 11:06.34 | mnemoc | wives can have that effect ;-) |
| 11:06.44 | hipboi | : ) |
| 11:06.51 | hipboi | but now everything is fine |
| 11:06.58 | mnemoc | great to hear |
| 11:07.01 | hipboi | 5 orders every day |
| 11:07.34 | mnemoc | nice |
| 11:07.43 | hipboi | i can make some money |
| 11:08.04 | hipboi | up to $1000 a month |
| 11:08.08 | hipboi | i think |
| 11:08.16 | mnemoc | not bad |
| 11:09.28 | hipboi | can $1000 make a living in Spain? |
| 11:10.25 | mnemoc | for a single person, yes |
| 11:11.34 | mnemoc | the minimal salary is ~$700, and someone fresh out of university gets around $1200 |
| 11:12.07 | mnemoc | well... they used to, now the unemployment is awfully high |
| 11:12.19 | mnemoc | soon will reach 30% :-/ |
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| 11:14.56 | mnemoc | ok, official stats say 25%.... but still huge |
| 11:15.08 | hipboi | why? |
| 11:15.37 | hipboi | why the unemployment is so high? |
| 11:16.33 | hipboi | in China, people work, make money and |
| 11:16.41 | hipboi | buy a house |
| 11:17.10 | hipboi | a house is all they work for |
| 11:17.37 | mnemoc | here buying a house is impossible for most people... the prices are absurd |
| 11:18.03 | hipboi | have you bought one? |
| 11:18.24 | mnemoc | nope, I rent a flat |
| 11:19.08 | hipboi | in China, if you don't own a house, no girls will marry you |
| 11:19.17 | mnemoc | for $800/m .... which would cost me 500 months to pay |
| 11:19.55 | mnemoc | the rent of 500 month to buy I mean, without considering bank interests |
| 11:20.22 | hipboi | $800/m? come on, man. that's very cheap |
| 11:20.42 | mnemoc | the rent, yes. it's good |
| 11:21.04 | hipboi | if i can buy a house of $800/m, i will be very happy. |
| 11:21.58 | mnemoc | me too |
| 11:22.47 | hipboi | in Shenzhen, normal house is 20000rmb/m |
| 11:22.50 | mnemoc | but that would mean a ~50y credit from a bank |
| 11:23.35 | mnemoc | hipboi: ouch |
| 11:23.53 | hipboi | in Zhuhai, it's better |
| 11:24.04 | mnemoc | a rent of a flat in madrid (spain's capital) is around half of that |
| 11:24.33 | mnemoc | but buying is not really possible |
| 11:24.59 | mnemoc | bank won't lend you money unless both of the couple have very good and stable jobs |
| 11:27.02 | mnemoc | they are the reason of the unemployment, if you don't have a large bag of money it's impossible to start anything here these days |
| 11:27.13 | hipboi | yes |
| 11:27.25 | mnemoc | and those who have the money they invest it in china :p |
| 11:28.34 | mnemoc | http://www.dealextreme.com/p/mini-android-2-3-hd-1080p-network-media-player-w-wi-fi-hdmi-usb-av-tf-red-134678 <--- cute |
| 11:35.07 | hp_ | mnemoc: fully little thing |
| 11:35.26 | mnemoc | looks nicer than your stick |
| 11:35.37 | mnemoc | and has a real antenna |
| 11:35.46 | hp_ | mnemoc: my stick is awsome!!! :) |
| 11:36.08 | mnemoc | your stick needs help to get connected :p |
| 11:36.10 | hp_ | mnemoc: i can also put antenna on the stick.. but no need for now |
| 11:36.54 | hp_ | mnemoc: your mini thingy is it allwinner? |
| 11:37.19 | mnemoc | i don't have any mini thingy... |
| 11:37.30 | hp_ | that link you just posted :) |
| 11:37.43 | mnemoc | yes, A10/512/4GB |
| 11:38.58 | hp_ | nice |
| 11:39.11 | mnemoc | probably the same internals of your stick but arranged in an square |
| 11:39.39 | hp_ | mnemoc: but does it have sd card? |
| 11:39.55 | mnemoc | TF, tes |
| 11:39.58 | mnemoc | yes |
| 11:40.08 | mnemoc | below the IR |
| 11:40.35 | hp_ | looks like yeah.. looks als very nice |
| 11:42.22 | mnemoc | hipboi: is your boss one of http://armdevices.net/2012/05/28/allwinner-boxchip-software-engineers-at-linaroconnect-linaro-connect/ ? |
| 11:42.31 | hipboi | yes |
| 11:42.37 | hipboi | armdevices.net |
| 11:42.43 | hipboi | i need to go home now |
| 11:42.51 | hipboi | see you later |
| 11:42.57 | mnemoc | see you |
| 11:43.35 | hipboi | i even talked with the owner of armdevices.net on the phone today |
| 11:43.51 | mnemoc | :o |
| 11:44.03 | hipboi | he will visit allwinner in a few weeks |
| 11:44.11 | mnemoc | amazing |
| 11:44.47 | hipboi | if allwinner pays the air tickets, would you like to visit? |
| 11:45.06 | mnemoc | absolutely |
| 11:45.12 | hipboi | good |
| 11:45.22 | hipboi | i think maybe there be such chances |
| 11:45.26 | hipboi | see you |
| 11:45.47 | mnemoc | oh.... see you! |
| 11:46.56 | mnemoc | now this is nice: http://www.dealextreme.com/p/otg-connection-kit-w-usb-sd-tf-card-reader-for-samsung-i9100-i9220-black-135480 |
| 11:47.39 | mnemoc | wonders if other devices can provide enough power over the microusb for that |
| 11:54.50 | hp_ | :) |
| 12:01.29 | hp_ | mnemoc: did you see this yet: http://armdevices.net/2012/05/28/74-boxchip-a10-hdmi-stick/ |
| 12:02.38 | mnemoc | hp_: yes |
| 12:02.47 | hp_ | :) |
| 12:03.15 | mnemoc | I don't really like that stick |
| 12:03.48 | mnemoc | i wouldn't feel confortable with the "mini pc" jumping around freely |
| 12:04.04 | hp_ | mnemoc: comfortable? : |
| 12:04.18 | mnemoc | typo |
| 12:05.22 | hp_ | mnemoc: what is your problem with it? |
| 12:06.05 | mnemoc | http://www.daskeyboard.com/images/products/mechanical_keyboard.jpg <--- easy to press an 'n' instead of an 'm' with my keyboard |
| 12:06.32 | hp_ | :) time for dinner here |
| 12:06.41 | mnemoc | hp_: been light and connected to cables the device will be moving around... like a rat |
| 12:06.44 | hp_ | i need to buy a special hdmi cable with a audio splitter |
| 12:06.55 | hp_ | mnemoc: we have ducktape for that |
| 12:06.56 | hp_ | hehe |
| 12:07.01 | mnemoc | :D |
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| 12:45.38 | hno | oh, lots of discussion today. to bad i have to work... more time tomorrow. |
| 13:00.24 | hno | what is going on? my ssh connection i opened home in morning is still active. 3g network usually not this stable.. |
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| 13:39.14 | hno | mnemoc no, but not at home. on my phone. |
| 13:40.32 | hno | back to work this week.. |
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| 14:01.23 | zenitraM | mnemoc: i've powered a card reader and a wireless mouse receiver with an adapter like that one |
| 14:01.28 | zenitraM | on my galaxy nexus |
| 14:03.18 | mnemoc | zenitraM: great, I have the same phone, so I'll buy it |
| 14:03.52 | zenitraM | mnemoc: if you have a OTG adapter from any of your a10 tablets |
| 14:04.00 | zenitraM | you can use it with a miniUSB -> microUSB adapter |
| 14:13.09 | mnemoc | I think I have a normal female usb to microusb somewhere.... but carrying hubs, cables, card reader is too much... this thing is all in one |
| 14:14.42 | mnemoc | if it doesn't require extra power, it's all i need |
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| 14:29.45 | Turl | mnemoc: my tablet can power a phone, but not a USB HDD |
| 14:31.51 | Turl | btw, what clock speeds do your A10s run at? |
| 14:32.05 | Turl | I've seen them advertised as 1Ghz, 1.2Ghz, even 1.5Ghz |
| 14:32.28 | mnemoc | everything I see points to a max of 1Ghz |
| 14:32.47 | mnemoc | specially the documentation about the voltages |
| 14:34.03 | Turl | the freq tables go near 1.5Ghz though |
| 14:34.19 | mnemoc | url? |
| 14:34.34 | Turl | sec |
| 14:36.19 | Turl | mnemoc: https://github.com/amery/linux-allwinner/blob/allwinner-v3.0-android-v2/arch/arm/mach-sun4i/cpu-freq/cpu-freq-table.c#L66 |
| 14:37.14 | mnemoc | interesting... those over 1GHz weren't there when I ported the 2.6.36 sources |
| 14:37.32 | Turl | I actually tried them |
| 14:37.46 | Turl | I can go up to around 1.2Ghz and remain stable |
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| 14:52.22 | mnemoc | Turl: how much does it impact the power drain? |
| 14:57.35 | Turl | mnemoc: I haven't run for long enough |
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| 14:57.50 | Turl | but I don't suspect it's a big drain, considering it scales the freqs mnemoc |
| 14:58.02 | Turl | (unless you use performance governor on your devices, idk) |
| 14:59.55 | traeak | ahh keyboards again. I find a split keyboard is more important than a mechanical one. I get wrist problems with straight keyboards. |
| 15:00.12 | traeak | i noticed a new a10 based tablet for sale in the US which advertised 1.2GHz |
| 15:00.19 | traeak | listed the dsp as separate speed |
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| 15:18.26 | steev | good morning |
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| 15:20.46 | A0Sheds | http://www.calao-systems.com/articles.php?lng=en&pg=6186 |
| 15:21.30 | A0Sheds | http://shop.strato.com/epages/61428605.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/61428605/Products/905-00024-B01 322.57 |
| 15:21.46 | A0Sheds | ST-Ericsson Nova A9500 (Dual Cortex A9) @ 1GHz - ARM Mali 400 GPU & NEON CPU extensions |
| 15:23.13 | mnemoc | and I thought the imx6 kit was expensive... |
| 15:24.39 | steev | naw, mx6 kits are cheap |
| 15:24.48 | mnemoc | $300? |
| 15:25.02 | steev | cheap for a quad core arm ;) |
| 15:25.34 | mnemoc | if you are a company even 1k is cheap, but for a normal programmer wanting to learn and play.... |
| 15:26.26 | mnemoc | how much is the panda? 180? |
| 15:26.31 | steev | not sure |
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| 15:26.39 | steev | if you're wanting to *learn* though, rpi |
| 15:27.54 | mnemoc | well... for student-times budget, sure :p |
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| 15:28.55 | A0Sheds | the nova http://www.stericsson.com/products/a9540-nova.jsp is even more impressive |
| 15:29.07 | A0Sheds | ARM® dual Cortex- A9 processor clocked at up to 1.85Ghz |
| 15:29.54 | A0Sheds | there's a snowball channel here, might be #snowball |
| 15:29.57 | mnemoc | it's sad to think the devices that will come with those will be locked to run only microsoft software |
| 15:31.38 | A0Sheds | #igloo on OFTC. http://www.oftc.net/ |
| 15:32.13 | A0Sheds | http://igloocommunity.org/ |
| 15:33.02 | A0Sheds | http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/DK9500SNO10-STA/DK9500SNO10-STA-ND/2839229 |
| 15:33.20 | A0Sheds | $265.38 for the standard vs the pro dev board |
| 15:35.45 | A0Sheds | mnemoc, but some of them allow you to at least install new versions M$ when the old version gets to fragmented |
| 15:36.43 | A0Sheds | we've been noticing how the M$ phones get flaky over time and require reformatting or re-installs |
| 15:37.23 | A0Sheds | self obsoleting/terminating phones that act like bad hardware after about a year |
| 15:37.42 | A0Sheds | but work fine with a fresh install of the OS |
| 15:38.03 | Turl | A0Sheds: you mean microsoft? |
| 15:38.13 | A0Sheds | Evil Genius |
| 15:38.14 | zenitraM | i know someone who was sent a free w7 phone as part of a developer program |
| 15:38.19 | Turl | that's not self obsoleting, that's just a crappy OS :) |
| 15:38.34 | zenitraM | and she had to return it after 3 hours to M$. it got bricked while it was updating itself |
| 15:38.49 | Turl | zenitraM: happened to a lot of people I read |
| 15:38.51 | Turl | :P |
| 15:39.08 | zenitraM | and that's how you earn developers... :P |
| 15:39.23 | ZaEarl | Does anyone have the WITS board? It says it comes with source. http://www.wits-tech.com/pages/board-en.jsp |
| 15:39.46 | Turl | I think the olimex people were getting one |
| 15:39.51 | A0Sheds | the ones we played with work need a reformat every few moths, then need a re-install to be stable |
| 15:40.28 | Turl | A0Sheds: just like desktop windows :) |
| 15:40.57 | steev | orange pcb :/ |
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| 15:41.24 | A0Sheds | Turl: works great, we hear from people all the time about how their machine is 10-100x slower now and they want to buy a new one |
| 15:41.47 | A0Sheds | the public doesn't seem to mind |
| 15:42.07 | Turl | it's not that they don't seem to mind |
| 15:42.12 | Turl | it's that they don't know better |
| 15:42.23 | steev | blah, android doesn't want to build today apparently, java keeps segging |
| 15:43.16 | Turl | A0Sheds: all the PCs they've ever seen need that done, so they assume it's the way things are and take it for granted |
| 15:44.38 | A0Sheds | first they got them used to Blue screens, then virus, now it's just the bad OS |
| 15:45.52 | steev | it's great for gaming! |
| 15:47.01 | A0Sheds | if you hack it enough, yeah it's great |
| 15:48.50 | penguin42 | A0Sheds: Having said all that my dads moaning that his dbeian PC is now slow after an update a year or so ago - I've not quite figured out what it has done to it |
| 15:49.18 | A0Sheds | one of the devs here started reversing the W7/8 sound card drivers for gaming |
| 15:50.40 | A0Sheds | ends up Creative labs and the actual chip makers don't have any low level devs |
| 15:51.21 | A0Sheds | it looks like they pay M$ to write their drivers |
| 15:54.24 | A0Sheds | I have to pick up my A10 netbook as bad as it looks |
| 15:54.49 | Turl | A10 netbook? heh :) |
| 15:54.56 | penguin42 | A0Sheds: Maybe, but also maybe it was a case of MS redoing their driver interface and then writing the first few device drivers, and also they may not be able to persuade the chip guys to redo drivers for new OSs on old chips |
| 15:55.49 | A0Sheds | they offered the dev here a job since they couldn't fix their own drivers |
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| 15:56.27 | penguin42 | haha |
| 15:56.38 | penguin42 | brb |
| 16:00.57 | steev | A0Sheds: gimme one |
| 16:01.18 | steev | A0Sheds: happen to know what LCD model is in use on it? |
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| 16:03.27 | A0Sheds | steev, get your own :), Do you want one? I can get it for you. |
| 16:04.00 | A0Sheds | steev, I haven't had the case open yet, I can ask someone to try to take a peek |
| 16:05.14 | A0Sheds | http://www.cnx-software.com/2012/04/16/sunlike-umpc-1021-85-usd-allwinner-a10-based-10-2-android-4-0-netbook/ |
| 16:05.16 | steev | A0Sheds: i'm debating it |
| 16:05.24 | steev | i'd want to install linux on there (obviously) |
| 16:05.34 | steev | android is a rather toy os to me |
| 16:05.47 | A0Sheds | it uses that really cheap aluminum case used for several of the Via 8505 arm11 netbooks |
| 16:06.01 | steev | interesting |
| 16:06.11 | steev | you should take some pictures |
| 16:06.13 | A0Sheds | sure, what i am doing |
| 16:06.18 | A0Sheds | i have some |
| 16:06.21 | steev | the ones on the website that i've seen all look like plastic |
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| 16:06.26 | A0Sheds | just a sec |
| 16:14.27 | A0Sheds | http://imagebin.org/214615 |
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| 16:17.37 | Turl | A0Sheds: touchpad is too small |
| 16:17.47 | A0Sheds | plastic shell with formed aluminum keyboard and touchpad cover, the touchpad is the shell |
| 16:18.10 | Turl | I bet I'm spoiled by my 16" laptop :P |
| 16:18.15 | A0Sheds | the indentation is the touchpad, it's not separate |
| 16:18.43 | A0Sheds | yeah, for a few $$ they could have a proper case and touchpad |
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| 16:19.39 | A0Sheds | the camera and keyboard have android issues |
| 16:20.27 | A0Sheds | they asked us to help fix it |
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| 16:30.50 | steev | A0Sheds: how about from the side? |
| 16:43.13 | A0Sheds | I need better pics but here... |
| 16:43.32 | A0Sheds | http://imagebin.org/214620 tried to cut the glare from the USB area |
| 16:44.17 | A0Sheds | steev, ^^ |
| 16:48.28 | steev | A0Sheds: how much to get one shipped to the US :D |
| 16:53.53 | A0Sheds | steev, in a suitcase just UPS US |
| 16:54.08 | steev | A0Sheds: oh hrm |
| 16:54.23 | steev | i do think i'd like one |
| 16:54.36 | A0Sheds | EMS is like $25 |
| 16:55.34 | A0Sheds | i can usually take 2 or so extra back in a bag, after that it looks like you're importing :) |
| 16:57.54 | A0Sheds | SD card slot is in the front |
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| 17:36.24 | specing | A0Sheds: WTF is the windoze key doing there?! |
| 17:49.20 | HenrikNordstrom | A0Sheds, try to make a picture without flash. |
| 17:49.51 | HenrikNordstrom | specing, it's probably a standard keyboard. Hard to find any (cheap) without windows button.. |
| 17:51.21 | steev | hmm |
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| 17:55.57 | mnemoc | HenrikNordstrom: having an IRC meeting? :) |
| 17:56.07 | naGt | Hi all. I'm having a problem when compiling my own u-boot for a mele a2000 |
| 17:56.19 | naGt | I download the "sun4i" branch from git://github.com/hno/uboot-allwinner.git |
| 17:56.28 | naGt | I compile it |
| 17:56.40 | mnemoc | how? |
| 17:57.05 | naGt | (make CROSS_COMPILE=arm-unknown-linux-gnueabi- -j4 sun4i) |
| 17:57.14 | mnemoc | ok |
| 17:57.19 | naGt | then I put it in the SD card |
| 17:57.30 | mnemoc | how? :) |
| 17:57.43 | naGt | mnemoc, :) |
| 17:57.48 | naGt | with "dd if=spl/sunxi-spl.bin of=/dev/sdb bs=1024 seek=8" |
| 17:58.04 | naGt | and "dd if=u-boot.bin of=/dev/sdb bs=1024 seek=32" |
| 17:58.32 | naGt | BUT... when I try to boot it, I see nothing in the serial port (UART) |
| 17:58.36 | traeak | why oh why didn't they include that sata port? |
| 17:59.29 | mnemoc | naGt: the common problem there is to have the Rx and Tx swapped |
| 17:59.30 | HenrikNordstrom | mnemoc, yes. |
| 17:59.49 | naGt | mnemoc, let me try it... |
| 18:02.37 | mnemoc | just for curiousty, from what part of .es are you? |
| 18:03.08 | naGt | mnemoc, I was born in Leon, but now I'm living in Madrid (just for work) |
| 18:03.33 | mnemoc | nice |
| 18:04.01 | naGt | mnemoc, I've swapped Tx and Rx, but I'm getting the same: nothing |
| 18:04.08 | mnemoc | uhm |
| 18:04.56 | naGt | I dont know what I'm making wrong |
| 18:05.16 | mnemoc | and the device didn't boot it's stock OS, right? |
| 18:05.49 | mnemoc | using 115200 ? |
| 18:06.10 | naGt | nop, only If I remove the SD card or I clean it (dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb) |
| 18:06.19 | naGt | yes, 115200 |
| 18:06.37 | mnemoc | odd |
| 18:07.19 | mnemoc | boot the device normally and confirm the uart adapter is working |
| 18:07.44 | naGt | mnemoc, ok, I'm going to swap Tx-Rx again.. |
| 18:08.18 | steev | mnemoc: that's similar to what i run into (except that i haven't tried to connect serial :P ) |
| 18:08.41 | naGt | mnemoc, ok, Now I see mele a2000 booting |
| 18:09.29 | mnemoc | steev: I would be desperated without been able to see |
| 18:09.30 | naGt | steev, What was your problem? |
| 18:09.51 | steev | naGt: my ly-f1 doesn't boot at all with custom uboot |
| 18:11.16 | naGt | Yesterday I dd'd the Tom Cubie Ubuntu image to my sdcard, and then I leave the Tom Cubie's u-boot-SPL and I overwrite the u-boot by one I compiled |
| 18:12.21 | naGt | without problems, so I think there is something in the SPL that doesn't configure the serial output |
| 18:13.01 | mnemoc | naGt: wait until HenrikNordstrom renames himself back to hno |
| 18:13.31 | naGt | mnemoc, ok :) |
| 18:13.51 | mnemoc | I've been using the same u-boot for too long to confirm sun4i's HEAD actually works |
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| 18:15.08 | mnemoc | and I don't want to touch the only part that works on my system until 3.3 boots |
| 18:17.37 | naGt | mnemoc, :), If something is working... dont touch it! |
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| 18:25.49 | mnemoc | naGt: btw, did you use mksunxiboot on the spl to make it mmc? |
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| 18:43.03 | naGt | mnemoc, yes, the last hno u-boot version makes it automatically and the end of the "make sun4i" |
| 18:44.56 | mnemoc | I'm out of ideas :< |
| 18:46.42 | naGt | mnemoc, no problem :) thanks for your help |
| 18:46.55 | t0dbld | LOL ill just leave this here https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-QGeo_UuWnxQ/T8evaVXTcUI/AAAAAAAAFe4/JvxTUBVnX4A/w497-h373/590150212.jpg |
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| 19:02.07 | ZaEarl | Happy Birthday libv |
| 19:08.14 | steev | t0dbld: thats awesome |
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| 19:35.27 | Vaevictus_ | hey guys |
| 19:36.15 | Vaevictus_ | finally got my mele a2000. I think someone walked across china to deliver it to me |
| 19:36.30 | DonkeyHotei | ZaEarl: i don't think he's on atm |
| 19:37.24 | Vaevictus_ | what's the most stable linux image for the mele at the moment - reading conflicting stuff online |
| 19:39.04 | mnemoc | image I don't know, source branch, allwinner-v3.0-android-v2 at github.com/amery/linux-allwinner |
| 19:39.33 | mnemoc | uh, happy birthday libv! |
| 19:40.34 | Vaevictus_ | no not android - i would like to flash a ubuntu image that has working wifi and is quite stable |
| 19:43.43 | mnemoc | Vaevictus_: the kernel is the same |
| 19:44.28 | mnemoc | Vaevictus_: allwinner only does android, so it's quite difficult to remove the androidization without breaking it |
| 19:44.43 | mnemoc | so the difference is only in .config |
| 19:45.31 | Vaevictus_ | ok thanks |
| 19:45.54 | Vaevictus_ | it's a shame really because using android with the mele remote is an absolute pain |
| 19:47.09 | naGt | interesting to know that only the .config differs |
| 19:48.53 | DonkeyHotei | Vaevictus_: got a different UI in mind for it? |
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| 19:54.32 | naGt | mnemoc, oh! hno is here :) |
| 19:55.55 | mnemoc | the 3.3 branch is androidless, but still doesn't boot |
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| 19:56.28 | hno | naGt, yes. |
| 19:56.48 | hno | 3 meetings later.. |
| 19:59.46 | naGt | hno, at least I hope the meeting have been productive |
| 20:01.17 | naGt | s/meeting/3xmeeting/ |
| 20:02.25 | naGt | interesting bot :D |
| 20:02.52 | hno | naGt, steering board & general assembly meetings for the Swedish Linux Users Association. |
| 20:03.32 | hno | only 3 hours so it was quick this time. |
| 20:04.24 | hno | naGt, so you have SPL problems? |
| 20:04.39 | naGt | 0_o three hours... |
| 20:05.06 | naGt | hno, yes, I'm not able to see nothing when I boot |
| 20:05.15 | naGt | in the UART interface |
| 20:06.13 | hno | which version are you using? |
| 20:06.40 | naGt | last from your github repository (sun4i branch) |
| 20:07.41 | naGt | git://github.com/hno/uboot-allwinner.git |
| 20:09.23 | naGt | hno, mnemoc recomended me to swap Tx and Rx, but I got the same |
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| 20:11.13 | hno | Do the image I have at http://www.henriknordstrom.net/code/A10/ work? |
| 20:11.18 | mnemoc | naGt: but you got output using Tom's u-boot, so don't touch teh cables! |
| 20:11.31 | CIA-91 | rhombus-tech: NaeiKinDus master * r1c5e8fb2ed14 /allwinner_a10/orders/yargl.mdwn: |
| 20:14.01 | naGt | hno, Do you mean u-boot-mmc-hno-201203.img? Let me try it... |
| 20:15.15 | hno | yes |
| 20:19.23 | naGt | hno, yes, it works |
| 20:20.17 | mnemoc | it seems only hno can compile it correctly |
| 20:21.04 | naGt | mnemoc, perhaps using a magic key combo |
| 20:22.31 | hno | Ok. So it should work. But I will build the current one in a minute. Just need to fix the power to my mele after cleaning the desk earlier today.. |
| 20:24.38 | naGt | I think I should clean my desk too. Cables are growing from anywhere |
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| 20:51.54 | naGt | hno, could you finally fix the power to your mele? |
| 20:53.57 | hno | still working on it. |
| 20:54.28 | hno | rewiring a bit to have it powered via usb uart instead of separate powersupply. |
| 20:55.07 | traeak | there's enough power for that? |
| 20:55.39 | hno | yes. |
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| 20:58.07 | mnemoc | once I made the mistake of connecting the 3.3V pin on the ttl adapter and the mele got powered up |
| 21:01.05 | naGt | mnemoc, is your mele still alive? You're very lucky |
| 21:01.52 | DonkeyHotei | they die easily? |
| 21:01.54 | naGt | mnemoc, first time I connected the TTL to my mele I make a mistake, and my first USB->TTL connector is now in the trash |
| 21:02.34 | DonkeyHotei | but not the mele, right? |
| 21:02.52 | naGt | nop |
| 21:03.58 | naGt | My mele is working like a charm |
| 21:04.05 | mnemoc | in my case both survived |
| 21:13.28 | traeak | mnemoc: i did the same, hooked up all the connections...blue light on, everything |
| 21:13.58 | steev | that's just really weird |
| 21:14.14 | steev | mnemoc: can you think of a reason anyone would want 2 openvg units? |
| 21:14.19 | traeak | at the tiem i had the rx/tx swapped so i dunno if it booted :- |
| 21:15.39 | mnemoc | steev: wrong person.... I'm of those using the 24" displays with 4-6 terminals tilled |
| 21:15.54 | steev | mnemoc: openvg is 2d |
| 21:16.31 | mnemoc | in that case... maybe one for each output? |
| 21:16.57 | mnemoc | i really don't have a clue about that area |
| 21:17.06 | steev | ah right, yeah it's 2 outputs, i thought there was only 1 |
| 21:17.31 | steev | looks like the mx6 uses the vivante gc200 |
| 21:17.34 | steev | sorry 320 |
| 21:20.18 | CIA-91 | rhombus-tech: Owen master * r7b8f99a54109 /allwinner_a10/orders/rathalos.mdwn: |
| 21:27.08 | hno | naGt, it's awfully silent.. wonder when that broke. |
| 21:30.33 | mnemoc | 3.3 is awfully silent too :p |
| 21:31.23 | steev | hah |
| 21:31.41 | mnemoc | but now I need to sleep... too tired, see you tomorrow! |
| 21:31.45 | steev | so apparently they are limiting the gigabit ethernet to ~470Mbit |
| 21:32.10 | mnemoc | imx6? |
| 21:32.18 | steev | yeah |
| 21:32.37 | steev | and 1.2 won't be out til 2h july |
| 21:34.53 | mnemoc | work harder! I want my quad imx6 laptop for xmas! |
| 21:35.13 | mnemoc | good night ;-) |
| 21:40.52 | Turl | good night mnemoc :) |
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| 22:46.49 | traeak | i wonder how well a quad mx6 will compile |
| 22:46.55 | traeak | that's what i want...reasonalbe compilation times |
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