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| 00:09.52 | Turl | hno: 30K? o.O |
| 00:10.47 | Turl | hno: A10 can't output >1080p as far as I understood though |
| 00:11.40 | Turl | hno: it might be able to decode 2160p, but I guess it's downscaled |
| 00:11.51 | ManoftheSea | Oh? Did the 2160p get defined as 1080 + 1080? |
| 00:11.56 | Turl | or maybe it's a marketing name for 2x 1080p decoding streams |
| 00:12.29 | mnemoc | I believe his comment was more on the line. "do you have a >1080p tv to support your claim that 4k is not supported?" |
| 00:13.13 | Turl | 2160p is not 4K anyway |
| 00:14.31 | mnemoc | sorry. I'm not very into HD.... I only use the TV to watch a DVD once per month and that's 720p iirc |
| 00:15.04 | mnemoc | I had the idea that 4k was a way of telling that by doubling the weight you are 4x the actual surface |
| 00:15.35 | Turl | DVDs are not 720p :P |
| 00:15.46 | Turl | 4K means ~4000 on height |
| 00:15.51 | mnemoc | :o |
| 00:16.03 | Turl | like two full HD x two full HD |
| 00:16.05 | mnemoc | and what's the resolution of DVDs? |
| 00:16.37 | Turl | 700ish x 500ish |
| 00:16.42 | mnemoc | :) |
| 00:16.47 | Turl | depending if it's PAL, NTSC, aspect ratio & w/e |
| 00:17.17 | mnemoc | :) |
| 00:17.42 | ManoftheSea | 4k2k, right? |
| 00:17.54 | ManoftheSea | 4000 x 2000 pixels? |
| 00:17.55 | Turl | my TV can do 1080p, but I lack the HDMI cable ~.~ |
| 00:18.01 | ManoftheSea | which is insane, btw. |
| 00:18.24 | Turl | ManoftheSea: 4096 × 3112 for full aperture 4K |
| 00:18.37 | Turl | 4096 × 1714 for a digital cinema 4K |
| 00:18.55 | Turl | rough idea https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c6/Digital_video_resolutions_%28VCD_to_4K%29.svg/800px-Digital_video_resolutions_%28VCD_to_4K%29.svg.png |
| 00:19.04 | ManoftheSea | oh wow. |
| 00:19.09 | Turl | mnemoc: compare the 'dvd' piece to the 4K :P |
| 00:19.28 | mnemoc | I think I have 4-5 hdmi cables and one "full hd" tv.... but my daughter tends to perfer to connect the VGA from the computer to the tv than the hdmi from the tablet.... I think it's because youtube restricts what videos can be playd there |
| 00:19.53 | Turl | mnemoc: I connect the vga + 3.5mm too |
| 00:19.57 | ManoftheSea | what kind of connector do you use? |
| 00:20.04 | Turl | mnemoc: because I'm cheap and my china HDMI hasn't arrived yet :P |
| 00:20.10 | ManoftheSea | I mean, the signal on that must be running remarkably fast. |
| 00:21.12 | Turl | ManoftheSea: HDMI can handle it |
| 00:21.28 | ManoftheSea | wow. |
| 00:21.37 | ManoftheSea | cables are amazing these days. |
| 00:21.44 | Turl | must be HDMI 1.4 devices |
| 00:22.00 | Turl | and a decent cable I'm guessing, chinese ones won't do the trick :P |
| 00:22.18 | Turl | ManoftheSea: http://www.hdmi.org/manufacturer/hdmi_1_4/4K.aspx |
| 00:22.29 | mnemoc | going to sleep, good night |
| 00:22.51 | Turl | good night mnemoc |
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| 03:32.58 | steev | hm so far the only issue i can really complain about is that it takes forever to charge |
| 03:39.43 | Turl | haha same here |
| 03:43.03 | CIA-126 | rhombus-tech: master * r4c1c475d306f /allwinner_a10/orders/.mdwn: |
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| 08:31.58 | rz2k | lol https://twitter.com/whitequark/status/210151755110039552 |
| 08:32.14 | rz2k | why a10 devkit costs more than galaxy s2 devkit? |
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| 10:04.33 | steev | http://crna.cc/magenta.html |
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| 10:39.11 | mnemoc | steev: nice |
| 10:41.17 | mnemoc | rz2k: some devkits are just products, some devkits are marketing tools, and some devkits are the way to access support channels |
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| 10:47.47 | rz2k | that one is just too similar to sgs2 :) |
| 10:50.58 | mnemoc | rz2k: sure, but production quantities are sigthly different |
| 10:53.08 | mnemoc | unless they do like TI who puts marketing money to subsidize the boards it's impossible for a devkit to cost the same as a CE product |
| 10:56.22 | mnemoc | this is why the mele is so amazingly great |
| 10:56.34 | rz2k | if all manufacturers were like TI... :) |
| 10:57.04 | mnemoc | TI is like a drugs dealer with it's animal boards |
| 10:57.29 | rz2k | they sent me TI LaunchPad for 4.5 euro all the way from Texas to Moscow |
| 10:57.45 | mnemoc | nice :) |
| 10:59.04 | mnemoc | it's very cool for hobiests, but if you try to make a product they strike |
| 11:00.30 | mnemoc | uh, ugly typos... |
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| 12:34.43 | Mazon | does anyone know about the vivante gpu on the imx board - how is their linux driver track record ? |
| 12:36.01 | mnemoc | Mazon: poke steev |
| 12:37.54 | Mazon | pokes steev :) |
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| 19:12.53 | steev | Mazon: mnemoc: honestly, i don't know what their track record is. if you're asking about userspace being open source, then no, not going to happen. never will in SoC land. as for working... well, i know it *works*, but i'm working on low level stuff presently so, can't really say all that much about it |
| 19:21.56 | Mazon | steev, oki, thanks |
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| 20:18.15 | Xlab | I need somebody who mastered with uart throughout microsd sniffing :) |
| 20:18.32 | Xlab | Which sd pins are for RX/TX? |
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| 20:19.37 | Xlab | in typical a10 tablet like novo7/ly-f1? |
| 20:26.43 | frantisheq | is it possible to boot some minimal root fs, connect to wifi and then use nfs share as debian root? |
| 20:29.40 | frantisheq | i have A10 tablet only so i can't load nfs rootfs over ethernet |
| 20:31.20 | hno | frantisheq, yes, but not sure how to do it with Debian It's done with an initramdisk that configures network and mounts the root. |
| 20:32.18 | hno | for wired Ethernet the kernel has all logic needed for booting with an nfs root, but wifi needs a little help from userspace to get configured. |
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| 20:36.29 | hno | Xlab, it's the same pins in all A10 laptops. But you need to customize script.bin to switch them from SD to UART. |
| 20:36.42 | frantisheq | thanks. first i'll try to boot pc like this and then the tablet |
| 20:36.57 | hno | frantisheq, good idea. |
| 20:36.57 | Xlab | >it's the same pins in all A10 laptops. |
| 20:37.11 | Xlab | i\m using a microsd sniffer |
| 20:37.24 | hno | meant devices, not laptops. |
| 20:38.54 | Xlab | so, vanilla android doesn't output anything? |
| 20:38.54 | Xlab | awww |
| 20:38.54 | Xlab | >to switch them from SD to UART. |
| 20:38.54 | Xlab | got it, thanks |
| 20:39.26 | hno | Xlab, http://elinux.org/Hack_A10_devices |
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| 20:40.26 | hno | Does not mention which pins PF2 & PF4 is, but it's easy to cross-reference to SD pinout by looking at the mmc0_para section. |
| 20:40.53 | bkero | Hey guys. I'm hacking on the mk802 linux stick. I've followed the Allwinner A10 guide to creating a kernel and u-boot, and then putting those correctly on the SD card, but I'm not getting any HDMI output by default. I wonder if I'll need to find a UART on the motherboard. |
| 20:41.33 | hno | bkero, to get HDMI out you need to get very very far in the boot process. THere is a million things that can go wrogn before. |
| 20:41.55 | hno | so UART is hightly recommended. |
| 20:42.37 | bkero | hno: Nobody's found a UART on the motherboard yet. I'm wondering if I should either go sniff one out, or if I could use the android kernel it came with, and then try to get that to work, just with using a different userland |
| 20:43.10 | bkero | hno: I was able to dd if=/dev/block/nanda | gzip -c > /mnt/sdcard/nanda.gz, then copy it off, and mount it on my laptop to get a working boot partition. |
| 20:43.11 | hno | We think UART is on the leftmost two pads in the block of 4 pads on the board edge just next to the CPU. |
| 20:43.49 | bkero | I need patch wire and flux :( |
| 20:44.01 | rz2k | Xlab: vanilla android on ainol outputs to onboard rx\tx on backside of pcb. |
| 20:44.02 | bkero | hno: 2 pad or 3? |
| 20:44.17 | hno | for probing you just need wires and a 3.3V UART. |
| 20:44.29 | bkero | I've got my bus pirate, that'll be good enough |
| 20:44.30 | hno | you also need to find GND somewhere. |
| 20:44.39 | bkero | I can steal GND from the shielding on USB |
| 20:44.43 | hno | yes |
| 20:45.11 | bkero | are you also working with an mk802 stick? |
| 20:46.07 | hno | Connect GND somewhere. Then the RX wire of your UART (the input wire where the UART receives data, not the wire that should be connected to board RX) and look for the MK802 TX pad. |
| 20:46.26 | hno | it should be quite chattery when you boot. |
| 20:46.28 | Xlab | >rx\tx on backside of pcb. |
| 20:46.28 | Xlab | Novo7 Elf device becomes quite unusable if i reach these pins |
| 20:46.36 | bkero | hno: has anybody done it before? |
| 20:47.13 | rz2k | Xlab: use small AWG wires |
| 20:47.25 | hno | Probed for UARTs yes. But no one have done it on the MK802 yet as far as I know. Most (me included) are using the mele box. |
| 20:49.13 | bkero | I see |
| 20:50.22 | hno | bkero, this is my setup B) (mele powered via USB UART) |
| 20:50.24 | hno | http://www.henriknordstrom.net/code/A10/uart-module.jpg |
| 20:52.21 | bkero | hno: very nice |
| 20:52.37 | bkero | I've been taking some photos of this thing. i need to go get some pictures of the inside though. |
| 20:52.45 | bkero | and get lunch and flux + patch wire |
| 20:53.10 | hno | Probably should put some screws back.. board is all loose and in theory could short to the housing if moved.. |
| 20:53.24 | hno | don't eat the flux.. |
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| 20:53.41 | bkero | woot |
| 20:53.45 | bkero | I extracted a rootfs from this |
| 20:54.01 | bkero | In theory some other Allwinner A10s should be able to run this version of ICS |
| 20:54.09 | hno | yes |
| 20:54.37 | bkero | Interested in trying that? |
| 20:55.23 | hno | not really. it's Android. |
| 20:55.29 | bkero | Heh. Some people like android. |
| 20:55.41 | bkero | I'm more interested in getting vanilla linux to run on this bad boy. |
| 20:55.54 | hno | plus that it quite likely have some stuff that is under prorpietary copyright so copying it like that would be a copyright violation. |
| 20:56.49 | hno | how much RAM does it have? |
| 20:57.07 | bkero | Claimed 1024 |
| 20:57.17 | bkero | busybox on android reports 814 though |
| 20:57.25 | hno | Then it's 1024. |
| 20:57.45 | bkero | Sure, but I'm thinking it shares space for the fb |
| 20:57.47 | specing | 1GB ram? :O |
| 20:58.12 | hno | framebuffer, video acceleration, GPU, 2D acceleration, and a bit more.. |
| 20:58.12 | bkero | 2gb flash too...pretty sure |
| 20:58.27 | hno | big ram, small flash. |
| 20:58.30 | bkero | /dev/block/nandi reports size of 2252M |
| 20:58.57 | hno | then it's more than 2GB flash. |
| 20:59.05 | bkero | I have a feeling that a lot of these nand devices actually overlap in physical space though |
| 20:59.13 | hno | no |
| 20:59.36 | bkero | https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ao2HeLwslOwfdG9CbEVPb2o3aGpBT3pHOUwtcVYyUlE |
| 21:00.33 | specing | bkero: reports similar here |
| 21:00.47 | bkero | Must be 4096MB then |
| 21:00.49 | specing | Though I found a 32 Gbit chip on there... |
| 21:00.51 | bkero | all that crap adds up to 4080 |
| 21:01.52 | bkero | shaves the living yak by showering and making a trip to radio shack for some flux and wire. |
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| 21:05.50 | hno | specing, 32 Gbit is 4Gbyte |
| 21:06.29 | specing | Indeed! |
| 21:06.36 | hno | bkero, some MB is for the initial bootloader outside the partitioned space. |
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| 21:20.25 | bkero | hno: like pre-uboot? |
| 21:22.28 | bkero | specing: hrm, interesting. It's running a 3.0.8 kernel |
| 21:22.40 | hno | bkero, yes. There is a lot before uboot in the android setup. In the Linux world we use none of that.. |
| 21:22.59 | hno | s/x w/x free w/ |
| 21:24.38 | hno | but the stuff outside nanda is only ~24KB. But I think they reserve a fair bit more. |
| 21:24.57 | bkero | hno: I'm wondering if it's worth grabbing with jtag or something |
| 21:26.09 | hno | bkero, if you want to help with uboot or low-level kernel stuff then JTAG surely helps. But you need UART first of all. And not obvious pads identified as JTAG candidates on the MK802. |
| 21:27.07 | hno | have surived so far without JTAG. |
| 21:28.12 | hno | but suspect I may need JTAG to figure out what's wrong with latest versions of uboot. |
| 21:30.00 | hno | bkero, have you used JTAG on ARM Cortex A8? |
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| 21:50.38 | hno | fashinatng, the Mele do not have any form of battery or even any larger capacitor from what I can tell, yet the RTC keeps running when power is removed. |
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| 21:56.35 | Xlab | RX data reading works fine, but I'm unable to send anything with TX :/ |
| 21:56.50 | bkero | hno: yea on my beagle |
| 21:57.20 | Xlab | By datasheet, SDC0_CLK is TX and SDC0_D3 (probably CD) is RX |
| 21:59.30 | Xlab | TX sends me /dev/ttyS0, but RX don't read anything :( |
| 22:01.48 | hno | Xlab, you got the right pin? |
| 22:02.16 | Xlab | ? |
| 22:02.31 | Xlab | Data3 pin is CD pin on my sniffer |
| 22:03.10 | Xlab | But i tried them all, of course |
| 22:03.26 | zenitraM | mmhm, yours is not the first case of input not working on a tablet i've read here |
| 22:05.04 | hno | could be as simple as https://github.com/hno/uboot-allwinner/commit/bf233ed95fdf1fda9df75de902d101463fd5cd56 |
| 22:05.40 | zenitraM | DonkeyHotei had the same problem, and it wasn't u-boot fault as input didn't work on Android either |
| 22:05.51 | zenitraM | don't know if he fixed it |
| 22:06.54 | hno | If u-boot leaves PB23 as UART RX then things likely break if SD is also configured for UART RX. |
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| 22:09.49 | hno | if that's the cause then it should be fixable by adding psuedo-tty pins setting PB22 & PB23 as GPIO input, or by uploading a modified u-boot. |
| 22:14.25 | hno | Xlab, try adding the following to uart_para0 |
| 22:14.49 | hno | uart_tx2 = PB22<0> |
| 22:14.55 | hno | uart_rx2 = PB23<0> |
| 22:26.44 | hno | pin function names do not matter. What matters is the PB23<0> that sets PB23 pin as GPIO INPUT. |
| 22:36.49 | Xlab | uart_debug_tx2 = port:PB22<0> |
| 22:36.49 | Xlab | uart_debug_rx2 = port:PB23<0> |
| 22:36.56 | Xlab | Should i add this too? |
| 22:38.26 | Xlab | Hmmm |
| 22:38.54 | Xlab | fex2bin utility just truncates uart_tx2 & uart_rx2 values |
| 22:39.22 | Xlab | fex2bin and then bin2fex, and they're gone |
| 22:51.14 | zenitraM | it doesn't truncate them, it's just that leaving the values to 0 produces the same output that not putting any value there |
| 22:58.11 | Xlab | nothing has changed :( |
| 23:02.03 | Xlab | afk |
| 23:44.26 | *** join/#arm-netbook rzk (~rzk@2002:5f19:549:1:222:4dff:fe7c:450f) |
| 23:53.12 | bkero | hno: the mk802 board has 4 pads next to the CPU, not two. :/ and my multimeter is acting busted, so I'm going to have to try with the bus pirate. |
| 23:56.49 | bkero | Hrm, 3.3v coming from two pins, 2.19 coming from one pin |
