| 00:13.03 | A1Sheds | http://www.calxeda.com/products/energycore/ecx1000 anyone notice any pricing for these? |
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| 00:19.17 | A1Sheds | http://www.mindspeed.com/products/cpe-processors/comcertoreg-2000 no GPU, but there is PCIe gen2 |
| 00:57.00 | Hexxeh | t0dbld|work: ah! interning at google, yeah (more epic delay) |
| 00:57.09 | t0dbld|work | haha |
| 00:57.13 | t0dbld|work | im here this time Hexxeh |
| 00:57.20 | Hexxeh | epic delay on my part :P |
| 00:57.25 | t0dbld|work | its ok |
| 00:57.35 | t0dbld|work | i sent ya a tweet to but im sure those get lost LOL |
| 00:57.47 | Hexxeh | barely checked my twitter since i got here :P |
| 00:57.59 | t0dbld|work | no I sent on day of org msg |
| 00:58.09 | Hexxeh | i mean for like, the last week :P |
| 00:58.13 | t0dbld|work | oh LOL |
| 00:58.34 | Hexxeh | usually i'd constantly have twitter open on my iMac but i'm switching between so many machines these days i forget to check |
| 00:58.42 | t0dbld|work | i prob got some questions coming your way soon about chromimum OS ... so well have more epic delays coming LOL |
| 00:58.48 | Hexxeh | sure :P |
| 00:59.04 | t0dbld|work | i am porting it now to these a10 tabs |
| 00:59.19 | t0dbld|work | now that i got gentoo and what not working ' |
| 00:59.37 | t0dbld|work | the sdcard test builds seems to be the hard part |
| 01:00.13 | t0dbld|work | Hexxeh: do you know off top of your head what it checks for at boot , that makes it "rebuilding FS" |
| 01:00.26 | t0dbld|work | does it jsut run a partition check ? |
| 01:00.32 | Hexxeh | i must admit i've not seen that |
| 01:00.42 | Hexxeh | but it might say something like that if it thinks it's in recovery mode |
| 01:00.44 | Hexxeh | what's your cmdline? |
| 01:01.10 | t0dbld|work | i can boot it but get stuck in that |
| 01:01.40 | t0dbld|work | well I booted it using my working kernel for tab , and my uboot , etc |
| 01:01.44 | t0dbld|work | so alot is not right |
| 01:01.48 | Hexxeh | sure |
| 01:01.54 | Hexxeh | well, take a look at /sbin/chromeos_startup |
| 01:01.55 | t0dbld|work | i honestly have not spent the time digging into source as i should |
| 01:02.05 | Hexxeh | iirc there's a branch in there for recovery mode |
| 01:02.12 | Hexxeh | eh, for boot related stuff you don't really need source |
| 01:02.14 | Hexxeh | mostly shell/upstart jobs |
| 01:02.51 | t0dbld|work | i jsut wasnt sure if it was checking for the 12 partitions or what was causing that |
| 01:03.06 | Hexxeh | you'll need to follow the same layout |
| 01:03.09 | Hexxeh | else it'll fall over |
| 01:03.26 | Hexxeh | for getting things up and running, booting it from USB is often easiest |
| 01:03.38 | t0dbld|work | ya dont have that option on tablet :-P |
| 01:03.43 | Hexxeh | no USB ports? |
| 01:03.59 | t0dbld|work | even the host port wont boot from it |
| 01:04.09 | t0dbld|work | i will boot from sd |
| 01:04.14 | Hexxeh | oh, SD should be okay |
| 01:04.23 | Hexxeh | but then it'll be mmcblk0pX right? |
| 01:04.37 | t0dbld|work | the arm-generic wont boot as is thoug h |
| 01:04.53 | t0dbld|work | i assume its either uboot - or the generic kernel hard to tell |
| 01:05.08 | Hexxeh | if you're seeing recovery mode |
| 01:05.08 | t0dbld|work | like i said need to look at source for that stuff |
| 01:05.15 | Hexxeh | i'd imagine your partition layout is screwed |
| 01:05.24 | t0dbld|work | ya |
| 01:05.26 | Hexxeh | probably stateful isn't where it expects it to be |
| 01:05.32 | t0dbld|work | but thats how i got it to boot |
| 01:05.36 | t0dbld|work | yeah ^ |
| 01:06.29 | t0dbld|work | Hexxeh: is it relying on the UID for partitions checking or the actual position ? |
| 01:06.40 | Hexxeh | UUID you mean? |
| 01:06.42 | Hexxeh | not afaik no |
| 01:06.47 | Hexxeh | just the position in the table |
| 01:06.49 | t0dbld|work | as i see it labels all of them automatically |
| 01:06.53 | Hexxeh | it assumes stateful is partition 1 |
| 01:07.02 | Hexxeh | it has to be GPT formatted too |
| 01:07.15 | t0dbld|work | well i got to recovery in MBR :-P but i agree |
| 01:07.52 | Hexxeh | ah, that's why then |
| 01:07.54 | Hexxeh | MBR isn't gonna work |
| 01:07.58 | t0dbld|work | yeah |
| 01:07.59 | Hexxeh | it'll try to run cgpt and then die |
| 01:09.02 | t0dbld|work | yeah ... so like i said first thing is i need to create a new uboot for it cause the generic one for arm doesnt boot the tab ... is it putting the uboot in 12 ? or is it still writting it the mbr ? |
| 01:10.47 | Hexxeh | on an arm-generic image, u-boot isn't on the image at all |
| 01:10.56 | Hexxeh | it's supposed to be installed via other means |
| 01:11.14 | t0dbld|work | ahh well wtf is in 12 than ... i guess i read conflicting pages lol |
| 01:12.14 | t0dbld|work | honestly this would prob be easier to do on nand than sdcard :-P but i dont feel like rewritting nand a million times as i play with this |
| 01:16.19 | t0dbld|work | and last question before i actually do the rest of my needed homework :-P .... The kernel partions : is there anything else in it ? i guess what i mean is im trying to be lazy and not re do work till im closer so if i wrote it a new uboot could i just write my existing working kernel over it ? |
| 01:16.46 | Hexxeh | 12th partition has u-boot scripts |
| 01:17.00 | t0dbld|work | k |
| 01:17.58 | t0dbld|work | ya it comes up as a EFI |
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| 01:32.10 | t0dbld|work | well the fact that by default it starts the partions 32.8k in isnt helping :-P |
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| 02:33.20 | CIA-121 | rhombus-tech: lkcl master * rf423824a723e /allwinner_a10/orders/ (mm1965.mdwn rogge.mdwn): orderprocessing cleanup |
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| 03:08.56 | steev | word |
| 03:09.03 | steev | ZaEarl: grats on hitting hacker news |
| 03:09.23 | steev | i was excited and thought it was gonna be an arm laptop though |
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| 04:09.33 | RITRedbeard | ahoy |
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| 05:05.20 | ZaEarl | thanks steev, it's pretty good to be compared to Apple. |
| 05:05.41 | steev | ZaEarl: where's the ARM one man, hurry up and take my money |
| 05:06.10 | ZaEarl | arm laptop? definitely looking more and more likely someday |
| 05:07.21 | steev | yeah, the mx6 can handle it, assuming most of the bugs are worked out with next month's tapeout |
| 05:07.41 | steev | +opengl +opencl, i wanna run it through some paces, but waiting |
| 05:09.52 | ZaEarl | The closed drivers are such a pain, they limit what we can do. |
| 05:22.05 | steev | eh |
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| 05:22.37 | steev | i agree that it sucks but if you have the knowhow and proven record you can get the sources under nda, which is good for fixing bugs faster than waiting on fsl to fix them |
| 05:23.06 | steev | of course, at that point, you have to wait on libv or someone to make a free driver, and you can't help :( |
| 05:31.10 | steev | anyway, bedtime, night all |
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| 07:25.56 | arete74 | 1~2~1~2~ |
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| 08:06.33 | mnemoc | hno: how do you reboot into fel? |
| 08:11.16 | mnemoc | hno: using the jumper of found a software way? |
| 08:12.26 | hno | mnemoc, either by using the jumper, or by sending 2 over serial to the Allwinnre bootloader. |
| 08:12.55 | mnemoc | sending 2? |
| 08:13.37 | hno | the Allwinner bootloader accepts 1 / 2 / 3 commands for different boot modes. Just send the key on the serial port while boot1 is booting. |
| 08:13.51 | mnemoc | oh |
| 08:13.56 | mnemoc | nice |
| 08:13.57 | hno | 1 is USB storage mode. 2 is FEL, 3 is keytest. |
| 08:14.34 | hno | but we have no keys on the Mele.. |
| 08:15.01 | hno | I use the jumper. |
| 08:15.40 | hno | Do the arm-netbook mailinglist work? |
| 08:16.27 | mnemoc | I haven't received any mail since friday I think |
| 08:17.01 | hno | Sems to have died on Sunday. |
| 08:18.45 | hno | have alerted lkcl. |
| 08:19.08 | hno | mnemoc, you saw my little fel.c program? |
| 08:19.48 | mnemoc | yes, looks nice :) |
| 08:20.57 | mnemoc | hno: try alerting phil hands (com) ... he seems to be who manages the mailing list server |
| 08:24.57 | hno | done. |
| 08:25.34 | mnemoc | libusb-based code looks much nicer than what I expected |
| 08:46.42 | mnemoc | hno: can you guess any reason to duplicate the length? |
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| 09:46.47 | cnxsoft | Has antbody tried to build u-boot recently ? |
| 09:47.07 | cnxsoft | The version I've built (hno) can not boot at all |
| 09:54.28 | lkcl | hno: you haven't! :) |
| 09:54.41 | lkcl | mnemoc: no, it's my friend alain williams. |
| 09:54.50 | lkcl | hno: ok, you have now |
| 09:57.46 | lkcl | alain's moving things over to IPv6 so that could be part of the problem - it was last time |
| 10:40.21 | mnemoc | cnxsoft: hno using the current head of sun4i? |
| 10:40.23 | mnemoc | err |
| 10:40.28 | mnemoc | cnxsoft: using the current head of sun4i? |
| 10:40.39 | cnxsoft | mnemoc: yes |
| 10:40.45 | cnxsoft | I'm trying another toolchain |
| 10:40.48 | cnxsoft | it could be the issue |
| 10:41.28 | mnemoc | it was broken a couple of weeks because some changes in upstream but hno downgraded it |
| 10:41.50 | cnxsoft | I've just build it now with gcc 4.6.3 |
| 10:42.04 | mnemoc | what did you use before? 4.7? |
| 10:42.27 | cnxsoft | This is what I did https://github.com/hno/uboot-allwinner/issues/10 |
| 10:42.46 | cnxsoft | I mean I have problems with gcc 4.6.3 in Ubuntu |
| 10:42.58 | cnxsoft | now I will try with codesourcery instead |
| 10:44.03 | mnemoc | cnxsoft: try this image once: http://www.henriknordstrom.net/code/A10/ |
| 10:44.13 | mnemoc | at least to discard other problems |
| 10:46.01 | cnxsoft | mnemoc: There is no spl there, only u-boot |
| 10:46.13 | mnemoc | it's both |
| 10:46.18 | cnxsoft | ah |
| 10:46.19 | cnxsoft | ok |
| 10:46.51 | mnemoc | it's a ready to dump 1MB image without partitions |
| 10:46.51 | cnxsoft | so I can just do dd if=u-boot-mmc-hno-201203.img of=/dev/sdb bs=1024 seek=8 ? |
| 10:47.14 | mnemoc | no seek |
| 10:47.44 | mnemoc | dd if=image of=card |
| 10:48.55 | cnxsoft | It will wipe out my partition table... Maybe I'll skip that for now. If I use Tom u-boot (from ubuntu 10.04 image), it works. |
| 10:49.47 | mnemoc | ok |
| 10:51.58 | mnemoc | have you tried a not hf toolchain? |
| 10:53.34 | cnxsoft | using arm-linux-gnueabi-gcc gives the same result |
| 10:53.49 | cnxsoft | I've noticed the allwinner-meta may have the same issue |
| 10:54.50 | cnxsoft | and he's using gcc 4.7 |
| 10:54.55 | mnemoc | I found an spare card, I'll try hno's prebuilt image and then try to build my own.... I've been using the same spl since ages ago |
| 11:03.20 | cnxsoft | I still have the same issue using a different compiler |
| 11:05.39 | mnemoc | do you have a serial console to review the env? |
| 11:06.58 | mnemoc | well... is your problem getting the spl to boot? uboot to boot? or linux to boot? |
| 11:20.17 | mnemoc | ok, according to the ticket you don't eveb see the gretting of the spl |
| 11:25.56 | cnxsoft | mnemoc: Yes I don't get anything at all |
| 11:26.20 | cnxsoft | so the problem starts with the spl |
| 11:30.16 | cnxsoft | If I use http://www.henriknordstrom.net/code/A10/hipboi-ubuntu-boot/uboot-spl.bin, instead of my sun4i-spl.bin it works fine |
| 11:30.46 | cnxsoft | The size is quite different, mine is about 15kb, but hipboi one is 23kb |
| 11:39.06 | CIA-121 | rhombus-tech: Togald master * r52a120772dea /allwinner_a10/orders/MFserver.mdwn: |
| 11:42.00 | mnemoc | cnxsoft: same problem :< |
| 11:42.05 | mnemoc | hno: ping |
| 11:49.10 | mnemoc | cnxsoft: the v2011.09-sun4i tag works fine |
| 11:49.41 | cnxsoft | ok, but in the future will we also use that branch ? |
| 11:50.05 | cnxsoft | I'm building u-boot because I'm writing a build script for nightly or weekly builds |
| 11:50.26 | mnemoc | stick with the tag for now |
| 11:50.48 | mnemoc | but the branch will get fixed sooner than later |
| 11:52.03 | mnemoc | btw, if you are in the mood for testing, the `wip/linux-3.3-sunxi/forward-3.0-v2` kernel branch is begging for some attention :p |
| 11:52.26 | mnemoc | (usb gadget support is still broken) |
| 11:54.49 | cnxsoft | I'll finish the scripts to generate Linux distro first... then I'll see what I can do with the wip branch |
| 12:02.11 | lkcl | hno, mnemoc: i rang alain, he'd archived a couple of old lists, which *shouldn't* have affected any others but in fact stopped mailman entirely working on his server, hurrah! :) sorted now... |
| 12:03.27 | mnemoc | :) |
| 12:13.47 | zenitraM | mnemoc and rest of spaniards here: http://www.oooferton.com/electronica |
| 12:24.16 | Turl | cheap heh :) |
| 12:24.27 | Turl | too bad it's not uSD |
| 12:25.30 | zenitraM | meh, for that price... i ordered two |
| 12:25.34 | mnemoc | real sandisk? |
| 12:26.10 | zenitraM | i'd think so |
| 12:26.22 | zenitraM | (even though it's cheaper than fake sandisk) |
| 12:29.51 | mnemoc | ehm... they add the paypal fee separated |
| 12:31.21 | zenitraM | true... i paid with my bank's e-shopping prepaid card |
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| 12:33.43 | mnemoc | the 25c (for 3 cards) doesn't make the deal less attractive, but I find improper to hide charges until the end |
| 12:36.21 | mnemoc | it's far more irritating when they hide the taxes or shipping cost |
| 12:37.52 | mnemoc | zenitraM: thanks :) |
| 12:38.53 | zenitraM | yw :) |
| 12:39.02 | Turl | zenitraM: I have like 0 devices that can use full SD Cards |
| 12:39.15 | Turl | other than my laptop, but I don't really need them there :P |
| 12:40.17 | mnemoc | most devkits have full SD |
| 12:41.33 | mnemoc | and there I really prefer a cheap 8GB class 4 instead of abusing 16GB class 10 uSD |
| 12:42.33 | Turl | I have an 8GB class 4 and 16GB class 10, both uSD |
| 12:50.45 | mnemoc | only two cards? ... I might have around 15 in different places |
| 12:51.04 | mnemoc | too many toys I fear :< |
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| 13:10.19 | kostyaspb123 | hello, does anybody know when Mele release Android 4 firmware image ? |
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| 13:11.50 | lundman | Uploaded: 2012-04-30 10:33 CEST |
| 13:12.23 | kostyaspb123 | Android 4 is currently beta, right ? |
| 13:12.29 | lundman | yes |
| 13:13.00 | kostyaspb123 | so, when it will be stable, mele can build new image ? |
| 13:13.26 | zenitraM | Turl: that's another reason to get a Mele :P |
| 13:14.22 | lundman | i assume so |
| 13:14.25 | kostyaspb123 | BTW I saw somewhere, that Mele A2000 can be overclocked to 1.5 GHz, how can I overclock it ? |
| 13:15.02 | Turl | my a10 can hardly take 1.2Ghz |
| 13:15.25 | Turl | zenitraM: -ENOMONEY :P |
| 13:15.47 | specing | kostyaspb123: raise core voltage |
| 13:16.21 | kostyaspb123 | yep, but how do I raise it ? Need to solder something, or remove some resistors ? |
| 13:16.33 | specing | -EHAVENOFUCKINGIDEA |
| 13:16.44 | Turl | you can raise it modifying the dvfs tables |
| 13:16.57 | Turl | *but* mine didn't OC higher even when I did so :P |
| 13:17.23 | kostyaspb123 | where are these tables ? |
| 13:18.06 | Turl | cpu-freq.c |
| 13:18.12 | Turl | on the kernel source |
| 13:18.12 | kostyaspb123 | thanks |
| 13:18.30 | Turl | if you get anything >1.2Ghz let me know |
| 13:18.38 | Turl | mine just stalls |
| 13:18.47 | kostyaspb123 | it means I need to build my own kernel |
| 13:18.52 | Turl | also Y U NO WATCHDOG A10 :/ |
| 13:18.55 | Turl | kostyaspb123: yeah |
| 13:19.23 | kostyaspb123 | ok, I see |
| 13:20.03 | kostyaspb123 | BTW does anybody know what type of memory on Mele A2000 (DDR2 or DDR3) |
| 13:29.05 | Turl | mnemoc: zenitraM a spanish friend recommends me http://www.mymemory.co.uk/, I see it has low prices too |
| 13:29.42 | zenitraM | i got a card from there, they work well. although amazon.es has similar prices |
| 13:29.54 | zenitraM | also zoombits.es. got a 32gb thumbdrive for 12 from there |
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| 14:06.36 | Turl | did I miss much? :P |
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| 14:10.14 | mnemoc | only Turl getting in an out of the channel |
| 14:11.04 | Turl | mnemoc: too bad I can't reboot my vps and keep tcp connections alive mnemoc |
| 14:11.25 | Turl | that'd be like the ultimate irc uptime tool |
| 14:12.14 | mnemoc | that's why I keep a vserver exclusively for running irsii ;-) |
| 14:13.29 | Turl | mnemoc: yeah that's what my vps does |
| 14:13.35 | Turl | mnemoc: runs znc, lighty |
| 14:14.04 | Turl | and openvpn for those days you gotta feel "american" :P |
| 14:14.48 | zenitraM | ssh -D is easier :P |
| 14:15.27 | Turl | zenitraM: ssh -D doesn't work on my phone to transparently route pandora :P |
| 14:15.36 | mnemoc | :) |
| 14:15.41 | Turl | but yeah, I use ssh -D + proxychains on my PC when I need it |
| 14:15.56 | mnemoc | ssh tunnels for the win |
| 14:17.05 | Turl | zenitraM: I even wrote a proxy pool script to rotate tunnels using ssh -D for JDownloader ;) |
| 14:17.17 | Turl | and hooked the 'reconnect' thing to it :P |
| 14:17.26 | zenitraM | now that is clever |
| 14:18.40 | Turl | zenitraM: http://paste.debian.net/174117/ + http://paste.debian.net/174118/ |
| 14:19.01 | Turl | then use localhost:9050 on JD, and set it up to run proxypool rotate on the reconnect thing |
| 14:19.22 | zenitraM | mhm is there any way to make the tunnel bind to a specific address for outgoing connections? |
| 14:20.10 | zenitraM | shared hosting servers with ssh access i've seen have like 30 different ip address assigned |
| 14:20.11 | Turl | zenitraM: according to man, -D [bind_address:]port |
| 14:20.26 | zenitraM | that's to bind for the server, i want it for the client... |
| 14:20.35 | zenitraM | i mean, backwards |
| 14:20.56 | Turl | so your connections go out using a single ip on the remote side? |
| 14:20.59 | Turl | I think I understood |
| 14:21.10 | zenitraM | exactly |
| 14:21.50 | CIA-121 | rhombus-tech: Haakon master * r08562ab8407d /allwinner_a10/hacking_the_mele_a1000/script_for_installing_debian_on_sdcard.mdwn: V1.4 bugfixes and options to rebuild kernel and rootfs |
| 14:21.56 | Turl | I know you can with -L/-R |
| 14:22.00 | Turl | no idea with -D though |
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| 14:22.15 | Tsvetan | hi |
| 14:22.33 | zenitraM | with -L/-R is the same as with -D.. |
| 14:22.34 | zenitraM | hi |
| 14:24.32 | CIA-121 | rhombus-tech: Haakon master * rfbae068b37ec /allwinner_a10/hacking_the_mele_a1000/script_for_installing_debian_on_sdcard.mdwn: |
| 14:27.52 | Turl | zenitraM: well with R you can make it bind to a specific remote address |
| 14:28.27 | Turl | zenitraM: all the stuff I find points to using -w (tun) + iptables |
| 14:28.48 | traeak | hmmm |
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| 15:36.33 | mnemoc | Turl: is cm9 on nexus one worth trying? |
| 15:36.52 | mnemoc | Turl: or it will be turned into an snail? |
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| 15:37.55 | DonkeyHotei | i guess you could go to france and find out :P |
| 15:38.23 | mnemoc | DonkeyHotei: eh? |
| 15:38.29 | DonkeyHotei | snail |
| 15:39.03 | mnemoc | I'm not familiar with french jokes :< |
| 15:39.15 | DonkeyHotei | escargot |
| 15:39.55 | Turl | mnemoc: how much ram does a N1 have? |
| 15:40.00 | mnemoc | so they will eat my phone... |
| 15:40.09 | DonkeyHotei | that was the joke |
| 15:40.37 | mnemoc | Turl: 512 |
| 15:41.10 | Turl | mnemoc: it should be okay then I guess, nexus s has 512 too |
| 15:41.27 | Turl | mnemoc: however, I doubt they started work on passion yet |
| 15:42.13 | mnemoc | i think the worst problem of the nexus one is it's 512MB of nand |
| 15:43.36 | Turl | yeah, ICS system takes like 300M+ :P |
| 15:43.58 | Turl | well maybe more like 250, I'm actually doubting now :P |
| 15:44.26 | Turl | cpu wise it should be okay |
| 15:44.29 | zenitraM | mnemoc: it worked decently on my desire when i tried |
| 15:44.35 | zenitraM | and it's nearly the same phone |
| 15:44.35 | Turl | mnemoc: consider the A10 tablets, cpu is around the same range as N1 |
| 15:44.51 | zenitraM | you might need to flash another hboot to have a different partition layout |
| 15:46.52 | mnemoc | Turl: i suppose mali takes a big chunk of the effort needed to run ICS on A10 |
| 15:47.12 | Turl | yeah it does |
| 15:47.18 | Turl | but the adreno is not that bad either |
| 15:47.37 | Turl | consider it's not like you need it to draw a crapton of polygons |
| 15:47.53 | Turl | but paste and blend stuff together |
| 15:48.12 | mnemoc | :) |
| 15:48.17 | zenitraM | the problem is that there are no official libraries for the adreno for ics, or there weren't when i tried |
| 15:48.35 | mnemoc | zenitraM: wouldn't a cm9 *image* come with the needed hboot? |
| 15:48.38 | Turl | zenitraM: qualcomm released some themselves |
| 15:48.47 | mnemoc | .oO |
| 15:48.48 | zenitraM | oh then it should work |
| 15:49.02 | zenitraM | mnemoc: at least on Desire not |
| 15:49.15 | mnemoc | zenitraM: lovely :< |
| 15:49.24 | zenitraM | although in the nexus it might be differnet |
| 15:49.42 | zenitraM | hboot can only be flashed by fastboot on the desire, as it has a locked-but-unlockable bootloader |
| 15:49.56 | mnemoc | ic |
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| 15:53.00 | Turl | gotta go, cya later |
| 15:55.34 | mnemoc | cu Turl |
| 15:55.37 | zenitraM | cya |
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| 16:17.30 | Xlab | yahoo |
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| 16:17.46 | Xlab | my UART advantures are ended with happy end |
| 16:17.58 | mnemoc | http://olimex.wordpress.com/2012/06/12/a13-olinuxino-preliminary-schematic-is-complete/ |
| 16:18.08 | hno | mnemoc, yes it's something fishy going on with spl. Works with the compiler I use (some ancient version in the Novo code drop), but SPL can't output anything. |
| 16:18.48 | traeak | that's a scary graphic |
| 16:19.19 | mnemoc | hno: want my bin for diffing? |
| 16:20.22 | hno | mnemoc, i'll probably downgrade 2011.09 again until it can be figured out what is going on. |
| 16:22.00 | t0dbld|work | hno: did you do the .config for u-boot for sun4xi on repo ? |
| 16:22.15 | mnemoc | so turning sun4i = 2011.09 tag + fat + boot.scr ? and reviving the update branch? |
| 16:25.17 | hno | the update branch is up to date |
| 16:25.52 | hno | mnemoc can you try if v2011.09-sun4i works? |
| 16:26.10 | mnemoc | hno: It worked this morning |
| 16:26.29 | hno | one you built with your toolchain? |
| 16:26.32 | rzk | traeak: its scary because olimex didnt forget about EAGLE free version users. free version cant edit anything more than 1 sheet. |
| 16:26.48 | mnemoc | hno: yes, ubuntu/linaro's 4.6.3 |
| 16:27.06 | rzk | usually its broken up in different sheets representing different blocks. |
| 16:27.20 | hno | and that same toolchain produces a crashing build from sun4i? |
| 16:30.19 | mnemoc | hno: right |
| 16:34.39 | mnemoc | traeak: https://github.com/OLIMEX/OLINUXINO/blob/master/HARDWARE/A13-OLinuXino/A13-OLinuXino_Rev_A.sch.pdf |
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| 18:03.57 | mnemoc | hno: both of your messages arrived twice here :< |
| 18:05.59 | hno | I know. Resent them and then noticed the messages was stuck in local queue here due to DNS issues but was to late already. |
| 18:06.19 | mnemoc | narf... I wanted to blame mailman :p |
| 18:07.21 | hno | dud not expect double failure, both arm-netbook listserver down and my DNS provider somehow screwed up as well returning server error on most queries. Touched the zone in their DNS editor and it's healty again. |
| 18:07.45 | hno | s/u/i/ |
| 18:08.34 | hno | hopefully no important stuff have gone lost from the DNS error. |
| 18:09.20 | mnemoc | email is designed to be very tolerant to that kind of problems |
| 18:10.03 | mnemoc | sooner than later everything will arrive |
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| 18:31.27 | ZaEarl | the olinuxino board looks pretty decent. I wonder what the price is going to be. |
| 18:34.06 | mnemoc | iirc he said he was aiming at 35-40E |
| 18:34.45 | ZaEarl | that would be good |
| 18:35.46 | ZaEarl | way cheaper than a lot of other dev boards |
| 18:38.02 | mnemoc | and as he builds them for industrial temperatures I hope to be able to use them as controllers at $work$ :p |
| 18:47.37 | mnemoc | there I don't need something users can replace, neither hdmi or sata, only something to mount on a metal door |
| 18:48.19 | rz2k | dont you think that cortex-A9 is a bit overkill? :) |
| 18:48.38 | mnemoc | it's cortex-a8 :) |
| 18:51.49 | mnemoc | somehow having 3d accelaration available makes you rethink how human-machine interfaces should look like |
| 18:56.08 | mnemoc | exciting times ahead |
| 18:58.31 | mnemoc | the sad part is that I won't have an excuse to not support odbc anymore :< |
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| 18:58.55 | traeak | yuk odbc |
| 19:11.39 | hno | mnemoc, have had any success with FEL? |
| 19:13.19 | mnemoc | hno: haven't had time to try it yet :< |
| 19:18.32 | mnemoc | hno: the fel jumper needs to be shorted during power up or it's an instant reset-to-fel thing? |
| 19:19.44 | mnemoc | s/^/btw,/ |
| 19:20.48 | hno | mnemoc, during power up / reset. |
| 19:21.36 | hno | the "jumper" between the round things in the power area works fine as a reset btw. |
| 19:23.21 | mnemoc | what what? |
| 19:24.50 | mnemoc | I know 11K1 is the FEL, but what round things in the power area you mean? |
| 19:25.13 | mnemoc | first, power button or power plug? |
| 19:45.35 | hno | power area is the area below the NAND where you have the AXP |
| 19:46.11 | mnemoc | so 12J3? |
| 19:46.26 | hno | Could be. See wiki. |
| 19:46.47 | mnemoc | :) |
| 19:47.02 | mnemoc | btw, what are those 3 rounded things? |
| 19:47.54 | hno | coils |
| 19:48.11 | mnemoc | wiki says reset is 12j1... /me looking |
| 19:48.48 | mnemoc | thanks |
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| 19:51.18 | hno | 12J1 I wrote in the wiki. But yes it's 12J3. |
| 19:51.57 | hno | mnemoc ^ |
| 19:52.02 | hno | fixed |
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| 19:52.04 | mnemoc | good, I was getting dizzy trying to find 12J1 :) |
| 19:54.05 | hno | It may be something else entirely, but works fine as reset. |
| 19:54.32 | mnemoc | :) |
| 20:06.00 | Turl | http://www.theinquirer.es/2012/06/12/mintbox-tambien-permite-llevar-linux-a-todas-partes.html |
| 20:06.02 | Turl | interesting |
| 20:08.51 | mnemoc | blasphemy! it's x86 |
| 20:09.16 | Turl | haha |
| 20:09.28 | Turl | that form factor reminds me of the mele :) |
| 20:10.02 | ZaEarl | pretty pricey for a nettop |
| 20:11.01 | Turl | ZaEarl: do you sell mint nettops? :P |
| 20:11.25 | ZaEarl | not recently, the atoms are too old these days |
| 20:11.47 | mnemoc | does mint (ab)use ubuntu armhf too? |
| 20:12.43 | Turl | I don't think there's arm mint |
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| 20:17.26 | t0dbld|work | Hexxeh: you around today ? |
| 20:18.20 | mnemoc | wb lkcl |
| 20:19.47 | lkcl | mnemoc: thx. router decided to take a break |
| 20:21.31 | mnemoc | mine is begging to learn to bungee |
| 20:22.13 | mnemoc | some time I have over a second of round robin to it over wifi |
| 20:22.16 | mnemoc | times* |
| 20:22.38 | Turl | OpenWRT all the things! |
| 20:22.42 | lkcl | ha ha |
| 20:22.54 | hno | is still looking for that TP crimp tool to fix the cable wiring and degrade the rouer to just modem. |
| 20:23.01 | Turl | mnemoc: you have enough A10 devices to cover a whole block with wifi :P |
| 20:23.13 | mnemoc | my crappy wrt160nl runs openwrt... |
| 20:23.20 | mnemoc | Turl: :p |
| 20:23.22 | Turl | mnemoc: broadcom? |
| 20:23.31 | Turl | mnemoc: I run trunk on a tplink |
| 20:23.38 | Turl | ath9k |
| 20:24.39 | mnemoc | but I can't really blame the poor router... my wifi likes to hide it :-/ |
| 20:25.14 | Turl | hm? |
| 20:25.32 | Turl | I personally blame my intel card :p at random times it craps on itself |
| 20:25.44 | Turl | none of my other devices do |
| 20:26.40 | mnemoc | my laptop has a rtl8192c :-/ |
| 20:26.51 | Turl | mnemoc: haha |
| 20:27.00 | Turl | mnemoc: I'm starting to hate that one on my table |
| 20:27.02 | Turl | t |
| 20:27.18 | Turl | mnemoc: but I bet an upgraded driver would be good to check first |
| 20:27.19 | mnemoc | :) |
| 20:27.26 | Turl | it tends to stall |
| 20:27.38 | Turl | and rmmoding the driver takes some time |
| 20:27.54 | Turl | until it gets all 'fuck it' and turns the device off in the controller directly :P |
| 20:28.06 | mnemoc | after some hours imine fills the dmesg buffer entirely |
| 20:29.06 | Turl | chatty is an understatement indeed |
| 20:30.37 | mnemoc | http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/12/amd-arm-hsa-foundation/ |
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| 20:34.58 | ZaEarl | mnemoc, amd would do well in joining with arm |
| 20:35.28 | ZaEarl | cortex-a9 with a radeon gpu would be a decent combo |
| 20:38.28 | specing | How so? |
| 20:38.38 | specing | It would still be closed-source |
| 20:38.52 | ZaEarl | the open source radeon drivers are pretty decent |
| 20:39.25 | specing | "decent" as in full capabilities? |
| 20:39.32 | ZaEarl | for 3d, pretty much |
| 20:39.39 | ZaEarl | no opencl though |
| 20:39.42 | specing | has been using nvidia for 5 years after giving up on ATI |
| 20:40.08 | ZaEarl | but I dont' imagine opencl is that interesting for a mobile platform |
| 20:40.32 | Turl | specing: nv was craptastically slow and noveau had a long way to be stable last I checked |
| 20:40.46 | specing | I use nvidia's binary blobs |
| 20:40.48 | ZaEarl | Unity or Gnome 3 are usable on most ATI cards with the open source driver |
| 20:41.18 | specing | ZaEarl: blender? Games? |
| 20:41.20 | Turl | specing: besides I had an nvidia burn :P no atis yet |
| 20:41.27 | ZaEarl | specing, yes |
| 20:41.31 | specing | Turl: :o |
| 20:42.28 | ZaEarl | having amd actually publish specs on the chips was a huge help. |
| 20:43.36 | Turl | ZaEarl: talking about hardware, do you have any idea where can I get a decent, well supported minipcie wifi card? |
| 20:43.55 | Turl | a combo card with bluetooth would be a plus |
| 20:44.34 | ZaEarl | half or full size? |
| 20:45.02 | ZaEarl | intel has a bunch with bt |
| 20:46.51 | ZaEarl | I use the Intel Centrino Wireless-N 2230 |
| 20:47.48 | Turl | ZaEarl: no intel please though :P they're fail |
| 20:48.00 | Turl | let me see if I have a pic of it handy |
| 20:52.43 | hno | have only good experience of his Intel wifi.card. |
| 20:52.44 | ZaEarl | we used to use atheros ar9285 a lot, but we didn't have a bt option for it. |
| 20:53.23 | Turl | ZaEarl: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/553461/lappycut.jpg |
| 20:53.25 | t0dbld|work | id take intel over atheros :-) |
| 20:53.28 | Turl | that's the best pic I can find now :P |
| 20:53.36 | Turl | hno: what model? |
| 20:53.41 | ZaEarl | that's a full size slot |
| 20:53.44 | Turl | I have a 5100, from the pre-N's |
| 20:53.57 | ZaEarl | a lot of half cards will come with an adapter so they'll fit in a full slot |
| 20:54.09 | Turl | ZaEarl: the card is the one on the top left btw |
| 20:54.18 | Turl | bottom left is 2x DDR2 |
| 20:54.30 | Turl | top right is what I believe the cpu |
| 20:54.45 | Turl | or some other important part :P |
| 20:54.57 | Turl | didn't want to take the whole dissipator thing |
| 20:57.32 | Turl | ZaEarl: is that centrino pre or post 5100? |
| 20:57.45 | Turl | I'm guessing post because of bt 4 listed on intel's website right? |
| 20:57.46 | ZaEarl | the one I listed? newer |
| 20:58.09 | Turl | ZaEarl: how much do those things cost? |
| 20:58.53 | libv | specing: so you gave up around the only time when there was actual hope for ati? |
| 20:59.40 | specing | Pretty much |
| 21:00.02 | specing | Also graphics are still a dark area of computing |
| 21:00.19 | libv | because 04/2007 - 11/2007 was the only time when there was any real hope for a bright open source future for AMD/ATI |
| 21:00.36 | libv | after that, we lost the battle with ATI |
| 21:00.41 | specing | Hehe *hope* |
| 21:00.51 | libv | yes, hope |
| 21:02.10 | Turl | ZaEarl: one of those + http://www.newegg.ca/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100011699&IsNodeId=1&Description=msata&bop=And&Order=PRICE&PageSize=20 one of these and I can probably squeeze 1+ years of my pc with little suffering :) |
| 21:02.48 | ZaEarl | I'd be surprised if those actually worked |
| 21:02.49 | t0dbld|work | Turl: uh this is fail guy over there are not very pleasant |
| 21:03.06 | libv | specing: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd_radeonhd_four&num=1 |
| 21:03.07 | ZaEarl | if you want an ssd, just swap the hd with an ssd |
| 21:03.53 | Turl | ZaEarl: get me a SATA II 1TB SSD at a reasonable price and I'll do |
| 21:04.04 | ZaEarl | lol, sure.... |
| 21:04.39 | Turl | ZaEarl: what's even funnier is, my lappy has a spare hdd compartment |
| 21:04.49 | Turl | but no sata header on it ~.~ |
| 21:05.17 | Turl | well the header is on the board, but it doesn't have the 'plug' thingy to connect the hdd to, just the bare holes on the board |
| 21:06.40 | ZaEarl | the hybrid drives are pretty effective |
| 21:07.21 | ZaEarl | but they only go up to 750gb |
| 21:09.09 | specing | libv: Im not impressed :P |
| 21:09.10 | Turl | I heard several horror stories regarding those hybrid disks |
| 21:09.11 | ZaEarl | http://www.newegg.ca/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&N=-1&isNodeId=1&Description=momentus+xt&x=0&y=0 |
| 21:09.22 | Turl | the 'ssd' part dying and rendering it unusable |
| 21:09.42 | ZaEarl | always possible |
| 21:09.58 | Turl | why do you doubt the mSATA ones work? |
| 21:10.02 | specing | cache and flash are two words that cant *reliably* be used in a single sentence |
| 21:10.04 | Turl | they all have mostly 5 eggs |
| 21:10.23 | libv | specing: well, this was the time window when AMD was going to clean up big in ATI, and contacted SuSE for help |
| 21:10.31 | ZaEarl | an old laptop may not have the bios and/or slot features necessary for msata cards |
| 21:11.12 | Turl | well, if my memory serves me well, I think I saw 2 miniPCIE slots |
| 21:11.22 | Turl | the wifi is just using one |
| 21:11.37 | Turl | and do you need bios support? isn't it more about OS support? |
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| 21:12.06 | ZaEarl | are you going to try to boot off the msata? |
| 21:12.23 | hno | Turl, 4965AGN Rev 4 says dmesg. |
| 21:12.31 | Turl | I guess, but if it's not possible I might as well grub off HDD |
| 21:12.42 | libv | specing: sadly though, throughout most of 2008, ATI ended up running the show, and AMD management dropped the ball big time on the open source project |
| 21:12.44 | ZaEarl | chaining grub from hd to msata might work |
| 21:13.16 | Turl | ZaEarl: I can put /boot on HD and rootfs on msata if just grub doesn't cut it |
| 21:13.23 | libv | specing: and now nothing of those originally lofty, but subsequently proven achievable, goals remain |
| 21:13.57 | ZaEarl | yes, that might work. times I tried cards like that we were hoping to have no hd. |
| 21:14.50 | Turl | anyway, of the possible upgrades it's the cheapest and the one with the most benefit/$ ratio |
| 21:15.13 | Turl | topping up ram is a ripoff, and I can live with the intel wifi I have now |
| 21:15.13 | ZaEarl | especially if you have a second slot available |
| 21:15.36 | specing | hno: I have the same wifi card ;D |
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| 21:39.31 | t0dbld|work | hipboi: anychance you have source for boot0 boot1 or boot.axf is there ? |
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| 21:40.51 | Xlab | How i could change number of banks and DRAM memory size in u-boot config? |
| 21:41.00 | Xlab | I found that in sun4i.h |
| 21:41.02 | Xlab | #define PHYS_SDRAM_1_SIZE(512 << 20)/* 0x20000000, 512 MB Bank #1 */ |
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| 21:46.13 | Xlab | hno? |
| 21:47.04 | hno | Xlab, see arch/arm/cpu/armv7/sunxi/dram.c but I don't know the fine details. |
| 21:47.53 | Xlab | ok |
| 21:55.55 | t0dbld|work | hno: mnemoc , anyone seen any source for boot0 boot1 boot.axf ? as I widdle down here its coming down to those that i dont have really handi capping me |
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| 22:18.28 | furar | naptınız len götler |
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| 23:30.04 | hno | not sure how not having sources to boot0/boot1 is handicapping t0dbld |
| 23:31.31 | Turl | hno: I think he's trying to boot with GUID instead of MBR |
| 23:38.54 | A1Sheds | http://www.pcper.com/news/Graphics-Cards/AFDS-2012-HSA-Foundation-Joins-AMD-ARM-Ti-Imagination-and-Mediatek-Open-Architec http://hsafoundation.com/ |
| 23:42.18 | Turl | I plugged my tablet's 2A wall adapter this morning |
| 23:42.21 | Turl | it still isn't topped up |
| 23:42.23 | Turl | :P |
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| 23:42.34 | Turl | almost 9PM :P |
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