| 00:03.54 | hno | Turl, what do you mean? Have never seen GUID in Linux boot, only UUID. boot1 requires MBR or Allwinner partition. In Linux you can specify partition by either device or UUID. An UUID root device requires an initramfs that searches for the right root device. |
| 00:04.36 | Turl | hno: you didn't get what I meant |
| 00:04.42 | hno | neither have anything to do with boot0/boot1/boot.axf. For all what we care those are only alternative means of getting u-boot loaded so we can load th kernel in a sane manner. |
| 00:04.44 | Turl | hno: instead of using DOS-like partition tables |
| 00:04.49 | Turl | he wants to use GUID |
| 00:04.56 | hno | GPT? |
| 00:05.01 | Turl | to accomodate more than 5 partitions without using extended ones |
| 00:05.04 | Turl | isn't it called GUID? |
| 00:05.10 | Turl | well that thing :P |
| 00:05.22 | Turl | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GUID_Partition_Table |
| 00:05.29 | Turl | GUID Partition Table yep |
| 00:05.52 | hno | NAND is not using MBR type partition table. Allwinner have their own. |
| 00:06.39 | Turl | he's working on SD Cards tho |
| 00:06.55 | hno | and on SD we don't need boot0/boot1 at all. But you need to make sure the space used for the bootloader is reserved. |
| 00:08.09 | CIA-121 | rhombus-tech: Gary master * r76df0ba36a40 /allwinner_a10/hacking_the_mele_a1000/Building_Debian_From_Source_Code_for_Mele.mdwn: Add link to script for this procedure. |
| 00:09.26 | hno | not 100% sure the bootloader layout is GPT friendly. Don't remember which blocks GPT uses. The A10 boots from sector 16-64. |
| 00:09.56 | hno | and whatever partitioning scheme you use MUST NOT use any blocks in that range. |
| 00:10.31 | hno | (offsets 8Kbyte - 32Kbyte) |
| 00:11.29 | CIA-121 | rhombus-tech: Gary master * rc256e58c094e /allwinner_a10/hacking_the_mele_a1000/script_for_installing_debian_on_sdcard.mdwn: Correct misspellings (comments only). |
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| 00:17.08 | hno | Looking at the wikipedia description it should be possible to tweak a GPT partition table to reserve space for the A10 bootloader area. But most likely not using standard tools. |
| 00:18.17 | hno | you ned to move the partition entries and first usable LBA to after the bootloader area. |
| 00:18.55 | hno | wonder if other systems supports moving the partition entries.. maybe not. Kind of unusual. |
| 00:20.41 | Xlab | Is there somebody who managed to boot from sd card on ainol device? |
| 00:21.04 | Xlab | i'm doing all right as described on hno's wiki |
| 00:21.36 | Xlab | & a10 mmc boot page |
| 00:21.45 | Xlab | but boot fails witch no uart output ;(( |
| 00:22.00 | Xlab | s/witch/with/ |
| 00:22.16 | hno | Xlab, which version of u-boot are you using? There is reports about SPL not working depending on toolchain used. The v2011.09-sun4i tag should work better. |
| 00:22.53 | Xlab | toolchain? i'm using the newest linaro toolchain |
| 00:23.10 | Xlab | and u-boot is from "sun4i" branch |
| 00:23.22 | hno | Then SPL reportedly crashes. |
| 00:23.27 | Xlab | i've tried "linchee-mmc-boot" also, but with same result |
| 00:23.52 | Xlab | >Then SPL reportedly crashes. |
| 00:23.52 | Xlab | So, linaro is useless? |
| 00:24.01 | hno | git checkout v2011.09-sun4i and try again. |
| 00:24.22 | hno | no, it's something in later u-boot versions which is useless.. |
| 00:24.35 | hno | triggered by newer toolchains. |
| 00:25.37 | hno | you can also try the prebuilt u-boot-mmc-hno-201203.img I have at http://www.henriknordstrom.net/code/A10/ |
| 00:31.15 | hno | Xlab? |
| 00:33.54 | Xlab | trying v2011 .09 tag |
| 00:34.04 | Xlab | one minute.. |
| 00:34.09 | hno | v2011.09-sun4i |
| 00:35.28 | Xlab | yep |
| 00:37.35 | Xlab | It works!! |
| 00:37.42 | Xlab | =) |
| 00:38.07 | Xlab | U-Boot SPL 2011.09 (Jun 13 2012 - 04:29:48) |
| 00:38.08 | Xlab | MMC: SUNXI SD/MMC: 0 |
| 00:38.08 | Xlab | Loading U-Boot... OK! |
| 00:38.08 | Xlab | Jumping to U-Boot... |
| 00:38.08 | Xlab | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:38.08 | Xlab | U-Boot 2011.09 (Jun 13 2012 - 04:29:48) Allwinner Technology |
| 00:38.11 | Xlab | etc.. |
| 00:38.28 | hno | Ok. Have reset sun4i to 2011.09. |
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| 00:39.27 | Turl | hno: just wondering, what's the bps on uboot and such? |
| 00:40.15 | Turl | hey hipboi_ :) |
| 00:41.05 | hno | Turl, what do you mean? |
| 00:41.11 | hno | bps? |
| 00:41.46 | Turl | hno: speed |
| 00:42.17 | Turl | hipboi_: if you're around let me know, I have a 'sales' question for you |
| 00:43.06 | hno | speed? |
| 00:43.35 | Turl | yeah |
| 00:43.50 | hno | boot time is very much dependent on your SD-card. |
| 00:43.59 | Turl | no, not that speed |
| 00:44.01 | Turl | serial speed |
| 00:44.09 | hno | 115200 |
| 00:44.27 | Turl | is that hardcoded somewhere? |
| 00:44.59 | hno | For SPL it's hardcoded. In u-boot it's configurable in the environment I think. |
| 00:45.13 | hno | never looked into having any other speed. |
| 00:46.10 | hno | Turl, it appears to be set in include/configs/sun4i.h |
| 00:47.50 | Turl | nice to know |
| 00:48.16 | Turl | they want 20US for a usb to uart thing in here, that's not including the uSD adapter |
| 00:48.22 | Turl | (+ shipping) |
| 00:49.32 | hno | SD booting and console on SD port is mutually exclusive. |
| 00:49.44 | Turl | hm good point |
| 00:49.50 | Turl | I still can UART a nand kernel though |
| 00:50.05 | hno | you should have UART pads on the board somewhere. |
| 00:50.56 | hno | Yes. SD console works with NAND boot. But u-boot SPL do not support NAND yet. |
| 00:51.30 | hno | so you need to use the Allwinner bootloaders then. |
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| 00:52.29 | Turl | hno: yeah, I'm using the stock nanda |
| 00:52.43 | t0dbld|work | hno, we are severely bottled by not having boot0 and boot1 source , the reason we need uboot at certain spot , and why we need vfat etc is all because of that |
| 00:52.47 | Turl | hno: I'd open the tablet but it's pretty much sealed :p I have a hard time putting stuff back together |
| 00:53.20 | t0dbld|work | honestly we should be working to not use boot0 or boot1 at all |
| 00:53.28 | t0dbld|work | and jsut port a main stream uboot |
| 00:53.46 | t0dbld|work | but one thing is sure we need source of boot0 and boot1 |
| 00:53.46 | ZaEarl | I asked Dora @ wits for the source, she said no. |
| 00:54.01 | t0dbld|work | ZaEarl, was there a reason ? |
| 00:54.06 | ZaEarl | no |
| 00:54.23 | t0dbld|work | no as in we cant have iit or no as in she doesnt have it ? |
| 00:54.34 | ZaEarl | we can't have it |
| 00:54.42 | t0dbld|work | well thats a reall bummer |
| 00:54.49 | ZaEarl | even if we purchased a dev board, we'd still not get it |
| 00:56.13 | t0dbld|work | WOW |
| 00:56.20 | t0dbld|work | well thats a major letdown |
| 00:57.07 | t0dbld|work | than android and sdcard linux booting is about the ceiling on this device than |
| 00:57.37 | ZaEarl | why not linux on nand? |
| 00:58.04 | t0dbld|work | its possible but also unlikely , as we are playing blank |
| 00:58.18 | t0dbld|work | linux on nand i can prob get done with some work |
| 00:58.23 | t0dbld|work | duel boot is not going to happen though |
| 00:58.34 | t0dbld|work | it will be trial and error |
| 00:58.37 | t0dbld|work | an flashing nand alot |
| 00:58.55 | t0dbld|work | and will prob require nasty DD for install rather than clean install |
| 00:58.59 | ZaEarl | as nice as dual booting would be, single booting linux would be far more important |
| 01:00.06 | t0dbld|work | well linux is also stalled till we can get touch in linux |
| 01:00.12 | t0dbld|work | i have everything else working |
| 01:00.18 | t0dbld|work | and running well |
| 01:00.40 | t0dbld|work | but install on nand will prob be DD ing if i cant write those files |
| 01:00.42 | ZaEarl | post an sdcard image so I can try it! |
| 01:01.16 | t0dbld|work | you have a a working SD card build right |
| 01:01.25 | t0dbld|work | the mele one ? |
| 01:01.36 | ZaEarl | a mele ubuntu 10.04 i think it was |
| 01:01.45 | ZaEarl | hdmi-out only, no lcd |
| 01:01.48 | t0dbld|work | if so ill post a kernel to replace and a script to replace in p1 |
| 01:01.59 | t0dbld|work | and youll be working no HDMI |
| 01:02.04 | t0dbld|work | Internal instead |
| 01:02.08 | ZaEarl | perfect |
| 01:02.29 | t0dbld|work | as of now android included hdmi and internal doesnt seem to work at same time |
| 01:02.45 | t0dbld|work | i think its a framebuffer issue |
| 01:03.56 | t0dbld|work | well time to start digging than need to find some one with source to boot0 and boot1 other wise my time left on this device is deminishing fast :-( |
| 01:04.36 | t0dbld|work | im really bummed to cause i think the aurora and new chome os would be perfect match |
| 01:07.27 | t0dbld|work | i wonder what stock uboot config is ? meaning what are its settings for kernel and FS , and i wonder if i replaced its uboot with one for sdcard if i could have it default to boot fs and kernel on sdcard but using the nand u-boot |
| 01:07.36 | t0dbld|work | that might be one last shot to get a test image down |
| 01:08.00 | t0dbld|work | assuming it can see the sdcard at boot with out having a uboot on it |
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| 01:51.33 | naobsd | hmm. FEL dump is very interesting |
| 01:54.30 | naobsd | no idea about 1st write 0000 to 0x7e00... it looks like just testing it's RAM or ROM. it may be initialization |
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| 01:59.48 | naobsd | what is first 0xb4 bytes write to 0x7010? |
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| 02:00.51 | naobsd | configuration register is mapped at 0x7010? |
| 02:03.06 | naobsd | 0x7210 is used to get result of code execution... the code written to 0x7220 is for DRAM initialization? |
| 02:03.38 | naobsd | DRAM initialization is done twice? |
| 02:23.10 | naobsd | last 0x5d0 bytes write to 0x7220 is "FES _FES_200000000000" ? |
| 02:32.26 | naobsd | hmm, difficult :( |
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| 02:52.19 | hipboi_ | Turl: hi |
| 02:53.06 | hipboi_ | Turl: i went to shenzhen yesterday |
| 02:56.06 | Turl | hipboi_: :) |
| 02:57.03 | lundman | i keep meaning to visit shenzhen |
| 02:57.10 | Turl | hipboi_: did you visit goodix offices? :p |
| 02:58.17 | Turl | hipboi_: I wanted to ask you, do you still sell that microSD UART adapter? |
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| 04:04.19 | Turl | good night all :) |
| 04:04.38 | Turl | hipboi_: if you still sell it /msg me |
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| 07:16.57 | hno | I don't get what t0dbld is having issues with. u-boot SPL will support nand in due time, not only sdcard. Mostly a matter of reshuffling code so it fits in the limited SPL area (24KB max including data). And it's also fairly well documented how to make multiboot systems with the Allwinner bootloader (boot / sprite) both on NAND and SDCard. What do he need the boot0/boot1 sources for? |
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| 08:05.22 | adejones | hello everyone |
| 08:06.59 | adejones | does anyone know of a list of compatable sd cards for booting mele a2000? |
| 08:13.42 | lundman | i thought they all worked |
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| 08:13.51 | lundman | i use a micro-sd in adapter |
| 08:14.25 | lundman | but you do have to prepare it for boot. ie, boot1 at block 8, boot2 at block 32. |
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| 10:20.19 | mnemoc | hno: another double post :) |
| 10:23.09 | mnemoc | is hyundai's a7hd display really better than the normal 1024x600 7"s ? |
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| 10:29.22 | mnemoc | i see... it's 7" IPS |
| 10:32.36 | libv | i believe that one of the countless ainols also has an ips display |
| 10:38.28 | mnemoc | aurora |
| 10:38.55 | mnemoc | interestings |
| 10:38.57 | mnemoc | interesting |
| 10:55.44 | CIA-121 | rhombus-tech: lkcl master * ra7daa6b6cb18 /allwinner_a10/orders/ukkiosktesting.mdwn: order processing cleanup |
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| 14:36.26 | Turl | mnemoc: we're now two releases back, yay! http://www.malideveloper.com/developer-resources/drivers/open-source-mali-gpus-linux-kernel-device-drivers.php |
| 14:36.44 | Turl | (prop-wise) |
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| 14:46.56 | mnemoc | meh :< |
| 14:47.29 | mnemoc | Turl: but we can't move ahead of the userspace binary libraries anyway |
| 14:48.13 | Turl | yeah |
| 14:48.22 | Turl | they bumped the big first number too :( |
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| 15:04.01 | mnemoc | and we still don't figure out how do integrate drm/mali :-| |
| 15:04.02 | libv | i should update my git tree for the last year, and we should look into getting dkms |
| 15:04.30 | mnemoc | libv: go ahead :) |
| 15:05.52 | mnemoc | a dkms-based mali would be nice |
| 15:06.56 | mnemoc | libv: btw, did you get a mele for lima? |
| 15:07.36 | libv | not yet |
| 15:08.13 | libv | as i am full time on intel work atm, and don't really have time for lima atm |
| 15:08.24 | mnemoc | :( |
| 15:08.32 | libv | getting a new toy is just too much of a temptation |
| 15:08.47 | libv | i already have a hard time stopping myself from poking lima stuff |
| 15:39.39 | mnemoc | http://olimex.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/a13-brd.gif <--- a13-olinuxino got a layout diagram |
| 15:41.54 | traeak | how much will this one cost? |
| 15:42.30 | traeak | wonder what can be done with the "LCD" pins |
| 15:45.05 | A1Sheds | too bad there is't aversion of the board with just headers vs all the connectors in the most difficult to integrate into a product location |
| 15:45.59 | specing | mnemoc: Omg, that is one spaghetti mess ;P |
| 15:46.35 | A1Sheds | nah, thats nothing, plenty of room on that size board |
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| 15:48.01 | A1Sheds | wow, lots of through hole |
| 15:49.27 | specing | I don't like the layout of the usb ports... |
| 15:49.38 | specing | Also no hdmi? |
| 15:49.49 | Turl | specing: it's an A13 |
| 15:49.53 | Turl | no HDMI on A13s |
| 15:49.54 | specing | Ah |
| 15:49.57 | specing | Ah |
| 15:50.02 | Turl | that's pretty much the only difference with A10 btw |
| 15:50.04 | specing | Oh well |
| 15:50.24 | specing | I still dont like those USB ports |
| 15:50.44 | mnemoc | Turl: no hdmi, no ethernet, no sata |
| 15:51.05 | mnemoc | traeak: the LCD pins is to connect an LCD panel |
| 15:51.06 | Turl | specing: they look like vertical |
| 15:51.26 | specing | I know |
| 15:52.42 | mnemoc | traeak: but GPIO if configured to use the VGA |
| 15:53.40 | mnemoc | A1Sheds: I suppose it should be hard to make a dumb daugtherboard mounted on the headers on both sides |
| 15:54.27 | mnemoc | A1Sheds: but it obviusly won't work for building tablets or other thin products |
| 15:55.06 | Turl | mnemoc: any idea ~ what price are they aiming for? |
| 15:55.19 | mnemoc | last time he said ~40E |
| 15:55.34 | Turl | sounds good |
| 15:55.43 | Turl | hm |
| 15:55.50 | Turl | no sata and no ethernet and no hdmi :( |
| 15:56.02 | Turl | aka no 'nas', no media center |
| 15:56.13 | Turl | no routing :P |
| 15:56.35 | mnemoc | the a10-based will hopefully come short after this one |
| 15:56.46 | Turl | that one will be more interesting |
| 15:56.55 | mnemoc | there are uses for both |
| 15:57.04 | A1Sheds | http://www.the-digital-reader.com/2012/04/10/55-tablet-runs-android-4-0-on-a-boxchip-a13-cpu/ |
| 15:57.10 | Turl | can't think of any use for the A13 one |
| 15:57.13 | A1Sheds | $55 Tablet Runs Android 4.0 on a BoxChip A13 CPU |
| 15:57.14 | Turl | (other than a devkit) |
| 15:57.59 | mnemoc | Turl: I have a laundrymat project crying for a board like this :) |
| 15:58.28 | Turl | mnemoc: you can't have a smart wash machine |
| 15:58.31 | Turl | no ethernet :P |
| 15:59.03 | specing | Turl: PPP/SLIP |
| 16:00.13 | A1Sheds | SDIO or USB to Ethernet would be the option |
| 16:00.17 | specing | Back in the dawn of the internets, people routed traffic through SERIAL LINES! |
| 16:00.32 | mnemoc | Turl: I need a bunch of custom rs232/rs485 too so I'm pushing this one and a custom spi board with ethernet and 4 rj45 rs232/485 ports |
| 16:01.03 | A1Sheds | USB to SATA as well |
| 16:01.17 | A1Sheds | http://www.allwinnertech.com/product/A13.html |
| 16:01.22 | specing | mnemoc: ENC28j60? wiznet? |
| 16:01.41 | mnemoc | not sure yet |
| 16:02.42 | mnemoc | specing: I only do software, so I long as the chosen chips have mainlined linux support I'm happy |
| 16:02.50 | specing | Hehe |
| 16:03.28 | specing | But you will roll your own PCB? :D |
| 16:03.43 | A1Sheds | http://apc.io/product/ he should add ethernet and keep the price to $45 |
| 16:03.50 | mnemoc | not me, my employer |
| 16:05.36 | traeak | yuk, that via POS |
| 16:05.42 | mnemoc | specing: In my proposal I'm suggesting a custom usb board with spi-to-usb or type b + usb hub + usb/ethernet + usb/4xuart + 2xusb host |
| 16:08.17 | mnemoc | specing: but no clue about components or costs :< |
| 16:08.33 | mnemoc | is just a software ape |
| 16:09.42 | traeak | low level software |
| 16:10.25 | A1Sheds | http://www.realtek.com.tw/products/productsView.aspx?Langid=1&PNid=14&PFid=8&Level=5&Conn=4&ProdID=21 |
| 16:10.31 | A1Sheds | ~$1 ea |
| 16:10.33 | specing | A1Sheds: Omg that board layout is HORRIBLE |
| 16:10.51 | specing | A1Sheds: Look at that plug tower sticking out... imagine designing a case for that |
| 16:10.56 | specing | Absolutely horrible. |
| 16:11.17 | traeak | so how did the mele guys pull of their board? it doesn't look too bad |
| 16:11.29 | traeak | chinese have superior design over everytone else? |
| 16:11.30 | traeak | hehe |
| 16:12.44 | specing | A1Sheds: "Full-Speed (12 Mb/s) USB Device" <-- ? |
| 16:13.36 | specing | traeak: Its more like we westerners have a habbit of expanding all the peripherals on them |
| 16:14.23 | specing | mnemoc: ape :D |
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| 16:16.36 | mnemoc | A1Sheds: thanks for for hint, I'll write that one down |
| 16:16.38 | mnemoc | specing: :) |
| 16:16.51 | traeak | trying to figure out what themele is missing...LCD connector i guess |
| 16:17.06 | A1Sheds | http://www.smsc.com/index.php?tid=299 for <$2 |
| 16:18.17 | mnemoc | A1Sheds: is PoE handled by separated chips? |
| 16:18.52 | A1Sheds | PoE at the transformer |
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| 16:25.57 | Turl | mnemoc: you're gonna run your washing machine over PoE? :P |
| 16:27.15 | specing | Hhahaha |
| 16:27.22 | specing | 1000W POE :D |
| 16:27.47 | specing | I doubt any data would get through with that kind of interference ;D |
| 16:27.55 | Turl | hahaha |
| 16:28.02 | A1Sheds | A10 tablets down to $55 as well |
| 16:28.10 | A1Sheds | http://detail.tmall.com/item.htm?id=16094948559 |
| 16:28.44 | mnemoc | Turl: :) just adding features to the proposed usb io board... but I suppose PoE could power the daughter board, the a13 board, the lcd and the card reader... |
| 16:30.24 | Turl | mnemoc: yeah, but why bother when you'll need a normal power cable on the washing machine anyway :) |
| 16:30.59 | mnemoc | Turl: only to add value to the usb board claiming he will be able to use it in other products too |
| 16:31.29 | Turl | and add cost, making it less competitive for the washing machines :P |
| 16:31.37 | mnemoc | narf |
| 16:32.12 | A1Sheds | http://www.ti.com/lit/an/snoa464b/snoa464b.pdf Application Note 1408 Designing Power Over Ethernet |
| 16:32.43 | Turl | A1Sheds: if tablets go under 25US I'll start buying them and reselling :P |
| 16:32.52 | A1Sheds | http://www.smsc.com/media/Downloads/Application_Notes/an1718.pdf |
| 16:34.10 | A1Sheds | Turl: the BOM is ~$25 |
| 16:34.17 | Turl | BOM? |
| 16:34.30 | mnemoc | materials' costs |
| 16:34.30 | A1Sheds | bill of materials, not code for Bomb |
| 16:35.10 | Turl | oh |
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| 18:37.05 | A1Sheds | http://www.pcper.com/news/Processors/AMD-Licenses-ARM-Technology-AMD-Leans-ARM-Security yay!! |
| 18:40.13 | A1Sheds | time to finish up the Fusion card and buddy up |
| 18:40.44 | Turl | so... ARM trustzone thingy :( |
| 18:41.46 | A1Sheds | the rumor is that AMD will also start combining ARM cores with GPU/APU cores |
| 18:41.57 | CIA-121 | rhombus-tech: Toni master * rc8b22fa25530 /allwinner_a10/orders/Tonza.mdwn: |
| 18:42.55 | A1Sheds | they sold off their low power ARM/Mips compatible and portable gpu division to Qualcomm a few years ago |
| 18:43.32 | A1Sheds | now if their current CEO actually has some vision..... |
| 18:45.05 | A1Sheds | so maybe we won't have to couple ARM to Radeon via PCIe, AMD will just sell it as a complete SOC |
| 18:49.19 | traeak | like nvidia, ati's gpu units excel most at sucking tons and tons of power |
| 18:49.50 | traeak | it's not that simple to just stick their processing units on an SOC...it requires a total redesign |
| 18:51.32 | specing | AMD :( |
| 18:51.40 | specing | Im dissapointed. |
| 18:52.20 | libv | A1Sheds: i think that the sale was a plain money thing |
| 18:52.32 | libv | A1Sheds: this happened before they created globalfoundries |
| 18:52.42 | libv | all during the credit crunch |
| 18:53.17 | libv | also the time when the radeonhd project, which was long on a deadend road politically, stopped receiving AMD funding |
| 18:54.48 | Turl | maybe they'll sell PCIe switchable graphics cards, just like they do intel+(ati|nvidia) on laptops |
| 19:03.25 | A1Sheds | they do have the mini-pcie gpu cards for laptops |
| 19:03.51 | Turl | A1Sheds: with a low power + a high perf unit on the same card? |
| 19:04.17 | A1Sheds | oh, no, just the GPU on a card |
| 19:04.38 | A1Sheds | I've been talking about doing this the past few years |
| 19:05.06 | A1Sheds | if Renesas falls through maybe I'll look into it again |
| 19:08.22 | A1Sheds | AMD has suffered from some really poor management the past few years, I hope it has finally made a turn for the better |
| 19:09.03 | A1Sheds | they seem to be getting most of the low-mid end laptop and netbook market now |
| 19:13.19 | traeak | after releasing the athlon64 it seems like they stopped all R&D |
| 19:13.27 | traeak | until it was too late at least |
| 19:14.02 | traeak | "most" ? hmm |
| 19:14.17 | traeak | atoms are the low low end |
| 19:14.36 | traeak | i wish they shipped a highly smp netbook chip which totally turns off unused chips |
| 19:14.43 | A1Sheds | I've been seeing the C60's replaced most of the Atom's in netbooks |
| 19:14.47 | traeak | sort of like what the tegra3 does owuld even be great |
| 19:15.37 | traeak | weak assed chip to run the OS and basic stuff |
| 19:15.46 | traeak | and turn on other higher powered processors when needed |
| 19:21.57 | CIA-121 | rhombus-tech: lkcl master * rfacee86f35b2 /allwinner_a10/orders/Tonza.mdwn: order processing cleanup |
| 20:11.52 | libv | traeak: amd64 was the right solution at the right time (unlike itanium), had nothing to do with spending more or less money on RnD |
| 20:17.36 | hno | traeak, the LCD pins can be used as LCD / GPIO / UART / SDCARD iirc. |
| 20:20.26 | specing | traeak: Eh? /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/online |
| 20:20.35 | specing | echo 0 to it and tada! |
| 20:20.46 | specing | Though Im unsure if it actually powers it off |
| 20:22.58 | specing | I would have to poke around with an ampere meter to see if it actually works |
| 20:34.22 | Turl | specing: it usually does |
| 20:34.48 | Turl | at the very minimum on the sense that nothing will be scheduled there and the system has one less cpu (core) :P |
| 20:35.04 | Turl | specing: tegra has a 4+1 design |
| 20:35.19 | Turl | 4 powerful cores and a low power, crappy one |
| 20:36.43 | Turl | when the system idles, they just disconnect the powerful 4 and leave it running on the small power efficient core |
| 20:56.03 | specing | Nice |
| 20:56.38 | specing | I wonder when will first ARM desktops start appearing... |
| 20:56.59 | specing | the* |
| 21:07.02 | A1Sheds | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acorn_Computers |
| 21:10.06 | mnemoc | steev: ping |
| 21:14.46 | steev | yo |
| 21:16.17 | mnemoc | steev: when you said you use make-kpkg to make kernel .debs, do you cross compile or do it natively? |
| 21:16.20 | steev | specing: pfft, we have arm desktops already in our efikamx smarttop, it's 800mhz, but hey, it's there |
| 21:16.25 | steev | mnemoc: both |
| 21:16.28 | steev | i prefer native |
| 21:16.42 | steev | i normally build em on my trimslice though |
| 21:16.44 | steev | one sec |
| 21:17.12 | steev | https://github.com/genesi/linux-legacy/blob/master/make-deb.sh |
| 21:17.29 | specing | steev: Im not sure those smarttops count as desktops |
| 21:17.58 | steev | specing: you want a machine with a BR and/or dvdrw? |
| 21:18.09 | specing | BR? |
| 21:18.15 | steev | blu-ray |
| 21:18.19 | specing | No |
| 21:18.24 | steev | oh |
| 21:18.25 | steev | i do |
| 21:18.43 | mnemoc | steev: on the first run here it ends ranting about the .ko files because it calling `objcopy` instead of prefixing it.... and on the second run it forgets about the modules and rants about the missing system.map :-/ |
| 21:18.44 | steev | i *try* to steer them towards making something that makes me happy in pants |
| 21:18.59 | mnemoc | steev: I'll try your script |
| 21:19.04 | steev | i usually lose out to cost reducing |
| 21:19.09 | steev | mnemoc: don't forget the toolchain.sh as well |
| 21:19.46 | steev | you can probably drop the subarch, we add efikamx because our flash-kernel hack (prep-kernel) expects the subarch to be efikamx to set up the kernel properly |
| 21:19.47 | traeak | IMHO optical drives are deprecated technology |
| 21:19.47 | mnemoc | weirdly my make-kpkg doesn't like --jobs |
| 21:20.04 | steev | mnemoc: we successfully cross with --jobs 32 here |
| 21:20.19 | mnemoc | steev: mine rejects the argument |
| 21:20.29 | steev | what version |
| 21:21.01 | specing | steev: I want, specificaly: an ARM board with: 4+ cores at >= 1GHz with some GPU, 2+ SATA ports, 6+ USB ports and 1+ 100/1000baseT ethernet |
| 21:21.05 | steev | i know it works with 12.036+nmu1(and 2) |
| 21:21.25 | traeak | sounds like you want something x86 based :-p |
| 21:21.27 | steev | 2+ sata isn't gonna happen, nor 6+ usb |
| 21:21.38 | specing | It looks like my needs will be satisfied in a year or so |
| 21:21.39 | mnemoc | steev: 12.032... it's an old build server :p |
| 21:21.50 | steev | mnemoc: upgrade that shit yo :P |
| 21:21.52 | mnemoc | 10.04 iirc |
| 21:22.19 | mnemoc | yes, i'll have to do that |
| 21:22.50 | specing | steev: you think so? I think it will |
| 21:27.38 | Turl | specing: look into tegra3 |
| 21:27.46 | specing | steev: two weeks or so ago I heard an anouncement of a first ARM server |
| 21:27.55 | Turl | at least they have the 4 cores at >1Ghz and the gpu part :P |
| 21:28.00 | Mazon | omap5 ? |
| 21:28.03 | A1Sheds | specing, wait and see what freescale does with imx6 4 core allocations this August |
| 21:28.06 | specing | I don't think x86 is going to dominate the desktop market for much longer |
| 21:28.11 | specing | high-end, sure |
| 21:28.25 | specing | but not middle and definetely not low end |
| 21:28.28 | A1Sheds | the other option is the Renesas 4 core for ~$40 |
| 21:28.44 | Mazon | when are omap5 dev boards expected ? |
| 21:29.09 | Mazon | afaik, it has a shitload of connectors |
| 21:30.18 | A1Sheds | http://www.eetimes.com/electronics-blogs/other/4374524/TI-OMAP-5-kicks-some-iPad-3-GPU-butt- |
| 21:30.20 | Mazon | omap5 : http://focus.ti.com/en/graphics/wtbu/omap5/OMAP5430-SoC_large.gif |
| 21:30.46 | Mazon | just need some boards - but prob going to be north of 400$ |
| 21:31.31 | A1Sheds | or clunky modules for $300 |
| 21:32.39 | A1Sheds | http://www.phytec.com/products/som/Cortex-A9/phyCORE-OMAP4460-OMAP4430.html like these |
| 21:33.07 | Mazon | well, there are pandaboards (omap4) |
| 21:33.22 | Mazon | so it stands to reason that they'll make an omap5 version too |
| 21:33.33 | A1Sheds | yeah, i still have one here gathering dust |
| 21:33.42 | Mazon | es ? |
| 21:35.46 | A1Sheds | they didn't make enough Pandaboards so that you could make products using them, plus the board layout was terrible for trying to make a product from it |
| 21:36.45 | A1Sheds | they wouldn't sell omap4 devices for months, then you were told to buy $200 modules from Phytec or the other COM vendor |
| 21:38.05 | A1Sheds | so whats the point of the omap5? You won't be able to buy them as discrete parts until they are old. And yeah they will have another almost open platform like the pandaboard that is only good for helping TI get Linux support |
| 21:41.41 | mnemoc | steev: using my laptop now (12.04), had to change your script to use --arch arm instead of armel to get it moving... |
| 21:42.01 | A1Sheds | somebody could whip up a notebooks with ARM and http://www.amd.com/us/products/embedded/graphics-processors/Pages/embedded-display-graphics.aspx MXM GPU modules rather quickly |
| 21:43.03 | mnemoc | it was so nice to see today that MS will charge $85 per license of windows rt to OEMs |
| 21:43.23 | traeak | heh |
| 21:43.30 | traeak | do we really care? |
| 21:44.06 | mnemoc | yes, that make more interesting for OEMs to sell non-locked-down-for-windows arm notebooks |
| 21:45.23 | A1Sheds | http://www.amd.com/us/Documents/46161D_E2400_MXM_brief_web.pdf + and ARM SOC with PCIe |
| 21:47.15 | A1Sheds | libv: how much work would it be to port ATOM BIOS for ATI to ARM? |
| 21:48.10 | A1Sheds | ATOM bios and unified memory were the main hurdles for ARM |
| 21:48.11 | libv | A1Sheds: read up on me. |
| 21:49.26 | libv | A1Sheds: particularly: http://libv.livejournal.com/15571.html |
| 21:49.55 | libv | red flag, bull, etc |
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| 22:07.52 | libv | in any case, once we get mali t6xx, things will become a lot better |
| 22:08.19 | libv | and the mali t6xx will be clean and nice compared to anything ATI straings out |
| 22:11.55 | specing | I read it is going to be radically different from mali 400 |
| 22:12.23 | libv | it's going to be unified shaders |
| 22:12.32 | libv | but the apple will not fall far from the tree |
| 22:13.53 | libv | some parts of the command stream should be recognizable, and flatmush expect the instruction set to be related to the current mali fragment shader |
| 22:13.55 | specing | Heh, doesen't matter if you'll write the drivers for it :P |
| 22:16.54 | libv | wait and see, nothing is known until the hardware actually hits the streets and i and others get their hands on it |
| 22:25.48 | traeak | how complex is something like the t6xx? ie: how many transistors for the logic? |
| 22:27.42 | libv | no idea, personally |
| 22:37.51 | traeak | http://www.eetimes.com/electronics-news/4375114/ARM-fills-in-GPU-line-with-Mali-450 |
| 22:37.54 | traeak | mali 450 |
| 22:39.45 | libv | yeah, update to mali400, with up to 8 fragment shaders possible this time round |
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| 23:00.13 | steev | mnemoc: actually if you're on precise, you don't need to pass anything (if you're building for hardfloat at least) |
| 23:00.25 | steev | it should just figure it out, it's kinda smrt like that |
| 23:01.39 | mnemoc | steev: unfortunatelly my host is not arm |
| 23:01.49 | steev | ah right |
| 23:02.42 | mnemoc | /usr/share/kernel-package/ruleset/arches/ does have a recipe for armhf :-/ |
| 23:03.20 | mnemoc | and need to find out how to make it generate a uImage instead of vmlinuz |
| 23:03.30 | mnemoc | but now I need to sleep :| |
| 23:04.29 | mnemoc | I might be brave and try to compile it natively in the mele |
| 23:04.33 | mnemoc | but tomorrow |
| 23:04.53 | mnemoc | good night |
| 23:06.16 | Xlab | bye |
| 23:15.49 | steev | hi |
| 23:16.15 | steev | mnemoc: you generate the deb, when you install, flash-kernel is supposed to generate the uImage |
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| 23:27.44 | leojrfs | hi, how is the situation on video acceleration on a10? |
| 23:45.38 | ZaEarl | hi leojrfs, that depends on which OS. |
| 23:46.57 | leojrfs | anyone, i just want to use my melea1000 as a embedded video player with an linux distro so i can controll by http vlc for example |
| 23:48.53 | ZaEarl | well, Android drivers are fully accelerated. |
| 23:49.20 | ZaEarl | I don't think anyone has accelerated X11 drivers yet. |
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