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| 05:06.12 | Byan | so any news over here? |
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| 11:01.58 | TomNL | gimli: any news from allwinner? |
| 11:05.19 | gimli | TomNL: yes, but no comment aoubt it. i go back to my old developemnt model. when things are ready i talk about it. |
| 11:14.52 | TomNL | ok :) i think thats a good idea, i am glad you guys are talking again! Good luck! |
| 11:22.15 | lundman | unless this 10yen will change yourmind |
| 11:22.21 | lundman | slides 10yen to gimli |
| 11:23.05 | gimli | lol |
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| 11:45.34 | Marex | sigh ... why is the CM9 for MK802 so slow ? Is it leaking memory somewhere or something ? |
| 11:45.51 | Marex | or is it just a general lack of RAM so the device is indeed insufficient ? |
| 11:48.22 | jelly-home | Marex: you have a 512 or a 1GB version? |
| 11:51.59 | Marex | 512MB one |
| 11:58.05 | jelly-home | might just be it, there's probably a reason why andoid 4.x smartphones have a full GB |
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| 12:14.42 | popolon | there are even 2GB ones |
| 12:15.27 | popolon | http://www.xiaomi.com/mi2 <= this ~220€ phone :) |
| 12:16.19 | popolon | 250€ at the today change rate |
| 12:19.11 | Marex | jelly-home: hm ... time to rape the SD card than, with swap on it ... |
| 12:20.47 | jelly-home | swap over network! what could go wrong |
| 12:23.13 | Marex | jelly-home: that's landing in 3.6 ;-) |
| 12:23.17 | Marex | swap over NFS :p |
| 12:23.43 | Marex | or was it 3.5? 3.7? something like that |
| 12:24.14 | jelly-home | 3.5-ish |
| 12:24.46 | jelly-home | I mean, it existed before, you could do swap over nbd |
| 12:25.24 | jelly-home | however, tricky for the kernel to leave enough ram not to choke on its own gut |
| 12:36.47 | rm | it works |
| 12:36.52 | rm | and worked long before 3.5 |
| 12:37.12 | rm | swap over aoe, nbd, even into a regular file on NFS, mounted as a loop device |
| 12:37.33 | rm | probably there are deadlocks e.g. when you run really low on RAM |
| 12:37.38 | rm | but for light use, it just worked for me |
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| 12:41.31 | jelly-home | probably faster to swap to your desktop's RAM or disk over network than to kill the SD card with lots of small writes |
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| 13:37.59 | popolon | Does someone still use Android on one of his arm devices here ? |
| 13:38.56 | RaYmAn | only my tablets & phones |
| 13:39.01 | popolon | cool |
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| 13:39.18 | popolon | I would like to know how runs blender on arm tablet using android ? |
| 13:40.03 | RaYmAn | There's a blender android port? |
| 13:40.11 | popolon | http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Doc:2.6/Manual/Introduction/Installing_Blender/Android |
| 13:40.26 | popolon | you can find the august 19 beta port following this link |
| 13:40.27 | rm | crazy |
| 13:40.34 | RaYmAn | that's cool |
| 13:40.49 | popolon | my android device usb port is broken :/ |
| 13:40.52 | RaYmAn | it seems to be for games though |
| 13:40.55 | popolon | no |
| 13:41.00 | popolon | there is player for gamess |
| 13:41.02 | popolon | and modeler now |
| 13:41.20 | RaYmAn | the site just only mentions the player |
| 13:41.21 | popolon | there was a screenshot of the application in last dev newsletter |
| 13:41.49 | popolon | http://download.blender.org/ftp/incoming/Blender_08_19_12.apk |
| 13:41.52 | popolon | this is the modeler |
| 13:42.01 | popolon | http://download.blender.org/ftp/incoming/BlenderPlayer_08_02_12_4.apk |
| 13:42.04 | popolon | this is the player |
| 13:42.16 | popolon | still not finished |
| 13:42.22 | popolon | but already works |
| 13:42.55 | popolon | there is a linux/arm port too |
| 13:43.02 | popolon | (on *buntu distro at least |
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| 13:43.41 | RaYmAn | I suppose it is mostly python so makes sense :) |
| 13:43.45 | popolon | and arm ask an official khronos OpenCL 1.1 certificate for mali 600 :) |
| 13:43.57 | popolon | no, blender is mostly in c |
| 13:44.02 | popolon | but lot of python code too |
| 13:44.35 | RaYmAn | it'll be interesting to see what thei rinterface is like |
| 13:44.38 | popolon | http://www.blendernation.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/blender-android.jpg |
| 13:44.44 | popolon | like this :) |
| 13:44.49 | popolon | should be better with tablet |
| 13:44.52 | RaYmAn | a screenshot doesn't tell much :) |
| 13:45.06 | popolon | => that's the same interface |
| 13:45.28 | popolon | you can test the apk if you want... |
| 13:45.32 | RaYmAn | surely they must have done something to make it usable without keyboard |
| 13:45.35 | RaYmAn | yeah, I will =P |
| 13:45.49 | popolon | mostly usable by mouse |
| 13:46.10 | popolon | so no problem with a not too big finger or a capacitive stylus or resistive tablet with stylus |
| 13:47.03 | popolon | <= search for another mean to install the apk on its galaxy s :) |
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| 13:50.02 | popolon | http://f-droid.org/repository/browse/?fdcategory=System&fdid=au.com.darkside.XServer&fdpage=3 |
| 13:50.09 | popolon | an xserver for android ? |
| 13:57.07 | RaYmAn | popolon: it's really not (the 08_19_12.apk) - it's just the player |
| 13:57.18 | RaYmAn | wrong url? |
| 14:02.26 | popolon | :( |
| 14:02.41 | popolon | wrong reading then |
| 14:02.54 | popolon | still to wait |
| 14:02.55 | popolon | sorry |
| 14:03.43 | popolon | The developer still work on it, it could be out at the same time than 2.64 final, in september ? |
| 14:04.00 | popolon | else can probably already be compiled from sources |
| 14:06.59 | popolon | That's linked to Google Summer of Code : Alex Kuznetsov has Blender’s UI running in Android (Using Jason Wilkin’s work on opengl abstraction layers): |
| 14:07.03 | popolon | http://www.blendernation.com/2012/08/20/developer-meeting-notes-august-19-2012/ |
| 14:08.00 | popolon | that's strange that the file is named blender and not blenderplayer |
| 14:08.07 | popolon | and has the same date that this news |
| 14:08.43 | popolon | s/that/than/ |
| 14:10.23 | popolon | RaYmAn, are you sure ? The BlenderPlayer apk is 16 Mo sized and the blender.apk is 30Mo sized ? |
| 14:10.49 | RaYmAn | popolon: I downloaded and installed http://download.blender.org/ftp/incoming/Blender_08_19_12.apk on my tablet |
| 14:10.57 | popolon | ok |
| 14:11.54 | popolon | strange to see a grow of twice the size in two weeks :) |
| 14:13.20 | popolon | the actual x86 64bit version is about ~50 MB (not "Mo", sorry, french) bz2 compressed |
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| 14:20.40 | BoozeWooz | helps?? |
| 14:21.01 | ManoftheSea | BoozeWooz: you have to ask your question. I don't know the answer, but these guys work with ARM and booting. |
| 14:21.07 | Marex | popolon: Mo ? |
| 14:21.26 | BoozeWooz | o ok , i thought they would receive the question from the other IRC channel too :P |
| 14:21.28 | ManoftheSea | BoozeWooz is asking if there's a boot process to start from SD, but continue loading from USB |
| 14:21.30 | Marex | popolon: how do you say megabyte in french ? |
| 14:21.40 | ManoftheSea | on an ARM device |
| 14:21.48 | BoozeWooz | Odroid-X to be exact :o |
| 14:21.59 | BoozeWooz | so it has exynos 4412 if thats relevant |
| 14:22.29 | RaYmAn | depends on what you mean by continue loading. If the device can load kernel from SD and e.g. rootfs off USB, that's fairly easy on most boards. |
| 14:22.53 | BoozeWooz | hmm well yeah i was thinking of placing /boot on SD-card and rest on USB but that doesnt work |
| 14:23.15 | BoozeWooz | i wrote image to SD-card, and it has these weird boot partitions at hte start :s |
| 14:23.43 | ManoftheSea | BoozeWooz: these guys will tell you, there's no standard boot process in ARM. |
| 14:23.55 | ManoftheSea | if that image is for the internal memory, it won't work from the SD |
| 14:24.20 | BoozeWooz | hmm |
| 14:25.34 | BoozeWooz | well.. there is a pre-made image. except its like 8gb, and comes with lots of useless crap pre-installed |
| 14:26.14 | BoozeWooz | so i guess i could botch it up a little, making it work properly |
| 14:27.11 | BoozeWooz | on the pc i currently use theres /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
| 14:27.32 | ManoftheSea | BoozeWooz: sure, but on the PC, the firmware looks for the MBR |
| 14:27.36 | ManoftheSea | There's no MBR in ARM |
| 14:27.40 | BoozeWooz | and in there i can just do --set root (the media) and .. /boot/stuff |
| 14:27.45 | RaYmAn | if you can get a kernel starting up from sd, just passing a suitable root= argument (possibly + rootwait) to point at USB |
| 14:28.02 | ManoftheSea | Which is why these guys are trying to do an FSF-endorsable ARM system, with a standard. |
| 14:29.15 | BoozeWooz | but theres nothing in there to set the path sadly.. |
| 14:29.26 | BoozeWooz | what directory would it be? |
| 14:30.11 | RaYmAn | it depends on how the bootloader and board is setup |
| 14:30.41 | ManoftheSea | BoozeWooz: do you know your bootloader on that device? |
| 14:30.54 | BoozeWooz | i think it was u-boot? but im not sure, how to check? |
| 14:31.00 | ManoftheSea | it's an android, right? |
| 14:31.08 | BoozeWooz | currently theres linaro on it |
| 14:31.18 | RaYmAn | it's running u-boot - at least that's the sources hardkernel gives out |
| 14:31.24 | ManoftheSea | Is the cmdline compiled in to the kernel? |
| 14:31.52 | RaYmAn | it's more likely it's in the u-boot script/env |
| 14:32.06 | BoozeWooz | uhh im not sure.. i can run terminal if thats what youre asking |
| 14:32.22 | BoozeWooz | but i can ctrl+alt+f1 to another desktop |
| 14:33.52 | ManoftheSea | BoozeWooz: do you have the kernel sources? |
| 14:33.54 | popolon | Marex, Megaoctet (octet=8 (bits), so a byte) |
| 14:34.11 | ManoftheSea | If you run make menuconfig, you can look in the kernel setup for a cmdline |
| 14:34.19 | ManoftheSea | If it's not there, we can assume it's in the u-boot |
| 14:34.23 | BoozeWooz | let me try to find it |
| 14:34.55 | BoozeWooz | yes they are here |
| 14:35.41 | RaYmAn | usually kenrels are setup to use bootloader passed cmdline if it's there and otherwise use the hardcoded one |
| 14:36.07 | ManoftheSea | RaYmAn: so if we rule one out... |
| 14:36.34 | RaYmAn | ManoftheSea: yeah, but that only works if it's empty : )Otherwise it says nothing |
| 14:36.55 | RaYmAn | i guess you could check if /proc/cmdline on the running device matches the kernel config specified one |
| 14:37.10 | ManoftheSea | oh yeah, procfs |
| 14:38.23 | BoozeWooz | i will check that, hold on |
| 14:41.56 | BoozeWooz | ughhh... my plug came out broken.. i need to solder it back on. moment please |
| 14:46.14 | hno | hi RaYmAn. I integrated the DRAM changes in test1. Yet to find a moment to test it proper. |
| 14:49.38 | RaYmAn | hno: cool - pushed it? I'll uhm, try and see if I can test it later |
| 15:28.15 | hno | RaYmAn, yes it's pushed. |
| 15:28.50 | hno | Looking into boot1 now as the clock initialization in boot0 seems to be only half-way. |
| 15:29.42 | RaYmAn | I guess it only initializes the absolute minimum |
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| 16:16.26 | GreenHide | hi folks |
| 16:17.06 | GreenHide | anyone know where to buy a "Mele A1000" unit in europe? |
| 16:18.56 | rm | just buy from China and have it shipped to you |
| 16:19.20 | rm | http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/Mele-A1000-TV-box-Allwinner-A10-hackable-device/511685_532332455.html |
| 16:20.22 | GreenHide | rm, I dont want to pay a s*it load of taxes!! |
| 16:21.43 | GreenHide | well thanks anyway |
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| 18:07.23 | BoozeWooz | hello |
| 18:08.31 | ManoftheSea | hi again, BoozeWooz |
| 18:08.38 | ManoftheSea | did you get anywhere? |
| 18:08.51 | BoozeWooz | hey |
| 18:09.06 | BoozeWooz | yeah, i was thinking of loading busybox from SD-card |
| 18:09.19 | BoozeWooz | and from busybox i can load everything i want? |
| 18:09.38 | BoozeWooz | how does that sound? |
| 18:09.54 | ManoftheSea | good luck |
| 18:10.00 | BoozeWooz | is it difficult :o ? |
| 18:10.19 | BoozeWooz | you dont sound too convinced.. |
| 18:10.29 | ManoftheSea | I believe you'll have trouble getting busybox loaded |
| 18:10.33 | ManoftheSea | Because of your boot sequence. |
| 18:10.40 | ManoftheSea | But once you've done that, smooth sailing |
| 18:10.57 | BoozeWooz | well problem with busybox is that there is no armv7 binary |
| 18:12.17 | BoozeWooz | http://busybox.net/downloads/binaries/latest/ |
| 18:12.22 | BoozeWooz | here is the link for all busyboxes |
| 18:13.21 | ManoftheSea | sounds like you'll have to compile yourself. |
| 18:13.36 | BoozeWooz | uh oh.. never done that before |
| 18:14.13 | ManoftheSea | you're probably in over your head. |
| 18:14.28 | ManoftheSea | Download the source package, set your environment to use a cross-compiler, make |
| 18:14.38 | ManoftheSea | or, make config first, busybox is complex |
| 18:14.45 | BoozeWooz | well.. i know some C and made some programs with it but never compiled any linux kernel |
| 18:15.25 | BoozeWooz | config? |
| 18:15.32 | BoozeWooz | ooh yes make config : D |
| 18:15.54 | ManoftheSea | did you figure out how to set the cmdline? |
| 18:16.16 | BoozeWooz | the cmdline? |
| 18:16.24 | ManoftheSea | yeah, the linux cmdline |
| 18:16.38 | BoozeWooz | ive been doing 1001 things i think i forgot |
| 18:16.46 | BoozeWooz | you want me to look if i can go into cmd? |
| 18:17.03 | ManoftheSea | no. Did you check the kernel source for the cmdline? |
| 18:17.11 | ManoftheSea | And the /proc/cmdline, if it matches on your device? |
| 18:17.13 | BoozeWooz | not yet |
| 18:17.21 | ManoftheSea | If they match, you can set the cmdline by compiling it in |
| 18:17.23 | BoozeWooz | booting it now |
| 18:17.34 | ManoftheSea | If not, you'll need to edit u-boot (somehow) to pass a different cmdline |
| 18:17.57 | ManoftheSea | then, you'll need to either pass init=/bin/busybox, or you'll need to move busybox to /bin/init |
| 18:19.27 | BoozeWooz | well theres a short guide on installing your own things |
| 18:19.54 | ManoftheSea | busybox apps? |
| 18:20.02 | ManoftheSea | yes, but you need to cross-compile. |
| 18:20.05 | ManoftheSea | Do you know how to do that? |
| 18:20.24 | BoozeWooz | hmm in code blocks i have some compilers installed |
| 18:20.39 | BoozeWooz | im currently just compiling it on x86 |
| 18:20.41 | ManoftheSea | I don't even know which compiler you'd need. |
| 18:20.51 | BoozeWooz | but make config stops at the following: " Character code to substitute unprintable characters with (SUBST_WCHAR) [63] (NEW) |
| 18:20.51 | BoozeWooz | " |
| 18:20.52 | ManoftheSea | but you'll need to compile for arm |
| 18:21.05 | BoozeWooz | its no problem i think, i can put the source code on the ARM device and make from there |
| 18:21.06 | ManoftheSea | BoozeWooz: try make menuconfig |
| 18:21.22 | ManoftheSea | sure, that'd work |
| 18:21.39 | BoozeWooz | hmmm but what do i do with the Character code to subsitute... ? |
| 18:21.51 | ManoftheSea | dunno |
| 18:22.27 | BoozeWooz | /proc/cmdline says: |
| 18:22.56 | BoozeWooz | root=/dev/mmcblk0p3 rw rootfstype=ext4 init=/sbin/init console =ttySAC1,115200 |
| 18:27.57 | BoozeWooz | its compiling |
| 18:29.33 | BoozeWooz | done |
| 18:29.45 | ManoftheSea | and the kernel sources? Do they say the same thing? |
| 18:30.07 | BoozeWooz | do you mean the kernel source codes? |
| 18:30.16 | ManoftheSea | if so, there's a good chance you could compile with root=/dev/sdXY to boot from USB |
| 18:31.06 | BoozeWooz | hmm well theres no /proc/cmd there so i guess there must be a binary that holds the content |
| 18:31.10 | BoozeWooz | so cant i just hex edit that binary? |
| 18:32.38 | BoozeWooz | hmm not bad actually, sec ill try |
| 18:32.44 | ManoftheSea | BoozeWooz: no... |
| 18:32.55 | ManoftheSea | what? /proc/cmd? Where did that come from? |
| 18:32.58 | BoozeWooz | no? :D |
| 18:33.06 | BoozeWooz | i mean proc/cmdline |
| 18:33.17 | ManoftheSea | that's just informative, after the system has booted. |
| 18:33.30 | BoozeWooz | but it mst get its content from somewhere right? |
| 18:33.32 | ManoftheSea | In your kernel sources, run make menuconfig |
| 18:33.35 | ManoftheSea | search for cmdline |
| 18:33.38 | BoozeWooz | (in the compiled kernel) |
| 18:33.50 | ManoftheSea | I believe it's in the .config somewhere. |
| 18:35.25 | BoozeWooz | lets try to find this :D |
| 18:37.12 | BoozeWooz | geany is running a search "find in files" so ill be back in some hours :o |
| 18:37.21 | ManoftheSea | uh, wut? |
| 18:37.23 | BoozeWooz | thanks for your help, much appreciated :D |
| 18:38.12 | ManoftheSea | it's under "processor type and features"->"Built in command line |
| 18:39.08 | BoozeWooz | but then ill have to rebuild the entire kernel |
| 18:39.44 | BoozeWooz | i want just to have this hex edited and it wont be a problem |
| 18:39.51 | BoozeWooz | what file would it compile to? |
| 18:40.09 | BoozeWooz | vmlinuz? |
| 18:42.20 | BoozeWooz | currently downloading the kernel source codes, its fairly big |
| 18:44.42 | ManoftheSea | um, might be. |
| 18:44.49 | ManoftheSea | Could also be xipImage |
| 18:46.05 | BoozeWooz | wht |
| 18:46.11 | BoozeWooz | its in config-35.02- etc |
| 18:46.12 | BoozeWooz | CONFIG_CMDLINE="root=/dev/mmcblk0p1 rw rootwait console=ttySAC2,115200" |
| 18:46.21 | BoozeWooz | o___O |
| 18:46.46 | BoozeWooz | /boot/config-3.5.0-2-linaro-lt-origen |
| 18:47.15 | BoozeWooz | so i just set this to some sda1-9 and happy times? |
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| 18:50.16 | ManoftheSea | sorry, what? |
| 18:50.39 | BoozeWooz | :D welcome back |
| 18:50.43 | ManoftheSea | thanks. |
| 18:50.45 | BoozeWooz | i found it in /boot/config-3.5.0-2-linaro-lt-origen |
| 18:50.52 | BoozeWooz | CONFIG_CMDLINE="root=/dev/mmcblk0p1 rw rootwait console=ttySAC2,115200" |
| 18:50.54 | BoozeWooz | this any good ;O ? |
| 18:51.00 | BoozeWooz | ^^ |
| 18:52.16 | ManoftheSea | does that match the running system /proc/cmdline |
| 18:52.21 | BoozeWooz | yes |
| 18:52.55 | ManoftheSea | then I think you can expect a kernel with cmdline="root=/dev/sdXY ..." will allow you to boot from USB |
| 18:53.02 | BoozeWooz | well in proc/cmdline theres also init=/sbin/init and rootdelay=2 |
| 18:54.02 | hno | BoozeWooz, is CONFIG_CMDLINE_FORCE set in your kernel .config? |
| 18:54.22 | hno | if not then it's using the command line set by the bootloader (usually u-boot) |
| 18:54.30 | BoozeWooz | # CONFIG_CMDLINE_FORCE is not set |
| 18:54.51 | RaYmAn | BoozeWooz: you're probably better off looking at u-boot |
| 18:54.54 | BoozeWooz | its a bad thnig :S ? |
| 18:54.58 | BoozeWooz | bah.... >< |
| 18:55.04 | ManoftheSea | it makes it harder |
| 18:55.05 | RaYmAn | no, it's a good thing |
| 18:55.10 | hno | It's a good thing the kernel do not forces command line. |
| 18:55.12 | BoozeWooz | i think u-boot got its own partition.. and i cannot seem to open it.. |
| 18:55.17 | ManoftheSea | well, more convenient |
| 18:55.25 | BoozeWooz | what if i made it to force? |
| 18:55.40 | RaYmAn | then it would ignore u-boot's cmdline. |
| 18:55.46 | hno | You could, but you likely need console access anyway so focus on that first. |
| 18:55.48 | BoozeWooz | :DD which is what i want exactly |
| 18:56.02 | RaYmAn | but it's really quite silly. You're much better off setting u-boot's cmdline like you want it :P |
| 18:56.14 | RaYmAn | Did you get the serial board with it? |
| 18:56.26 | BoozeWooz | hmm it was like 5 extra usd so i passed |
| 18:56.34 | BoozeWooz | was like a dinky uart thing |
| 18:56.55 | hno | BoozeWooz, congratulations, saving5 USD just cost you countless number of hours pulling hairs. |
| 18:57.03 | ManoftheSea | RaYmAn: do you know how to edit u-boot? |
| 18:57.15 | ManoftheSea | is that JTAG? |
| 18:57.18 | BoozeWooz | uhh what... but you said i cn just put it on force? |
| 18:57.21 | ManoftheSea | er, via JTAG? |
| 18:57.30 | ManoftheSea | BoozeWooz: there's the right way and the easy way. |
| 18:57.37 | RaYmAn | ManoftheSea: on that particular device? Not really - I don't have one. But I doubt it's particularly hard to do. |
| 18:57.48 | ManoftheSea | The easy way might work, but you'll have a lot of debugging if it doesn't |
| 18:58.00 | ManoftheSea | Being able to edit u-boot means you can change root= at will |
| 18:58.07 | ManoftheSea | as well as boot from other devices, etc. |
| 18:58.11 | BoozeWooz | welll.. only problem i see now is how to know what name the USB is |
| 18:58.20 | hno | ManoftheSea, u-boot settings is preferably done using serial console. |
| 18:58.23 | BoozeWooz | idk if it depends on what port its connected to? |
| 18:58.29 | ManoftheSea | BoozeWooz: use UUID |
| 18:58.48 | BoozeWooz | hmm interesting, yes that would do the trick |
| 18:58.52 | hno | UUID rewquires an initrd to look for the device. |
| 18:59.01 | BoozeWooz | 2ndly, i can just binary edit it with a hx editor |
| 18:59.12 | hno | kernel do not hunt UUID devices |
| 18:59.14 | BoozeWooz | IF i could open that partition, which i cant |
| 19:00.15 | hno | life is so much easier if you have the proiper access channels open (i.e serial console) |
| 19:00.57 | BoozeWooz | hmm if i attach an usb in linux, now its sdb2 |
| 19:01.05 | ManoftheSea | I assumed an initrd. |
| 19:01.12 | ManoftheSea | BoozeWooz: is that a good or bad assumption? |
| 19:01.24 | BoozeWooz | can i just use it as root=/ sdb2? or might it change? |
| 19:01.35 | BoozeWooz | uhh im not sure, i dont know much about linux tbh |
| 19:02.02 | ManoftheSea | it might change, depending on other usb devices plugged or unplugged. |
| 19:02.12 | BoozeWooz | thats bad |
| 19:02.19 | ManoftheSea | You're trying to do something very advanced, for not having much linux knowledge. |
| 19:02.35 | BoozeWooz | :( i just want to boot from usb2 |
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| 19:02.44 | BoozeWooz | then i can put a debian, and have my own software installed |
| 19:02.51 | BoozeWooz | right now its unusable with this "unity" trash on it |
| 19:03.15 | ManoftheSea | unity isn't a distro |
| 19:03.22 | ManoftheSea | is it? |
| 19:03.26 | BoozeWooz | the desktop environoment |
| 19:03.32 | BoozeWooz | its linaro, based on ubuntu |
| 19:03.46 | ManoftheSea | BoozeWooz: you could just install gnome-shell, or xfce |
| 19:03.52 | ManoftheSea | You don't need to switch distro for that. |
| 19:04.05 | BoozeWooz | i want lxde |
| 19:04.27 | BoozeWooz | preferrably with ubuntu software center |
| 19:04.43 | ManoftheSea | so... apt-get install lxde |
| 19:05.05 | BoozeWooz | not from sd :o need usb2 to harddisk |
| 19:06.03 | BoozeWooz | pity theres no sata |
| 19:06.57 | ManoftheSea | why not from sd? |
| 19:07.08 | ManoftheSea | If it can hold unity and gnome3, you should be able to fit lxde |
| 19:07.19 | ManoftheSea | You might have to remove unity first, though. |
| 19:07.21 | BoozeWooz | its painfully slow, i mean like |
| 19:07.32 | BoozeWooz | takes ages to load something and very unresponsive |
| 19:07.42 | ManoftheSea | you could chroot into the usb, and run from there. |
| 19:07.56 | ManoftheSea | That wouldn't involve reflashing your kernel or messing with uboot |
| 19:08.11 | BoozeWooz | chroot? |
| 19:08.50 | BoozeWooz | i just putted it on CMDLINE force, and changed it to sdb1 but it didnt do anything .. |
| 19:11.19 | ManoftheSea | you're not familiar with chroot? |
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| 19:13.03 | BoozeWooz | not really :o ? |
| 19:13.57 | BoozeWooz | please explain |
| 19:15.41 | ManoftheSea | BoozeWooz: you need to look it up on google, or man pages |
| 19:15.50 | BoozeWooz | i will, thanks |
| 19:17.36 | BoozeWooz | but i will first try this cmdline thing, if that works then u-boot (proper way) |
| 19:19.48 | ManoftheSea | good luck |
| 19:20.14 | BoozeWooz | thanks... i have a feeling i will need it |
| 19:20.46 | BoozeWooz | oh and busybox is always an option too |
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| 20:09.38 | popolon | http://www.allwinnertech.com/awt/campusRecruitment.html |
| 20:09.54 | popolon | forgot who ask me about in corporate sport in china |
| 20:10.04 | BoozeWooz | huh |
| 20:20.04 | popolon | because I spoke about this picture :) |
| 20:20.21 | popolon | and can't find it again (in my thouthands of tabs :)) |
| 20:23.44 | Marex | popolon: no gurlz :p |
| 20:26.43 | popolon | huhu |
| 20:27.08 | furan | girls just slow us down |
| 20:27.18 | ManoftheSea | don't be sexist |
| 20:27.42 | furan | the sex which you are attracted to can slow you down |
| 20:27.49 | furan | how's that, mr politically correct |
| 20:28.19 | furan | it's not sexist, it's just the facts of life |
| 20:28.39 | furan | whenever I'm not in a relationship I get distracted by girls :) |
| 20:29.58 | Marex | furan: well ... girls do have their place :p |
| 20:30.09 | Marex | (I hope it was politically correct ;-) ) |
| 20:37.01 | ManoftheSea | Marex: that sounds even worse. But don't clean up just for me. |
| 20:39.17 | Marex | ManoftheSea: how does it sound even worse ? |
| 20:39.48 | Marex | ManoftheSea: it's the same for dudes, they also do have their place |
| 20:44.31 | furan | I am not against the sex you are attracted to at all |
| 20:44.43 | furan | e.g. I am attracted to girls, I like girls |
| 20:44.48 | furan | just saying it can be distracting! |
| 20:45.20 | ManoftheSea | Since PC-ness is in the eye of the perceiver, I can't speak authoritatively here. |
| 20:45.24 | Marex | furan: now that's the worst, you make me sound like I was gay |
| 20:45.35 | ManoftheSea | But saying "women have their place" sounds like "we tell women their place" |
| 20:45.51 | Marex | ManoftheSea: nay ... that's not the point |
| 20:46.28 | ManoftheSea | and saying "no gurlz" sounds like sexism. |
| 20:46.45 | Marex | ManoftheSea: that was definitelly intended sexism :) |
| 20:47.05 | Marex | ManoftheSea: I'm a man, I like girls ... and there were no girls in the picture, only guys ... :-( |
| 20:47.16 | Marex | ManoftheSea: so ... it was not balance, the picture was sexistic! |
| 20:47.24 | Marex | *balanced |
| 20:47.56 | ManoftheSea | oh, there was a picture? |
| 20:48.27 | popolon | well there are too few mix basketball teams |
| 20:48.44 | popolon | but mens are often taller than girls |
| 20:49.37 | popolon | well, there are lot of tall girls too (depending of my height at least) |
| 20:50.14 | Marex | popolon: well yea, but I usually prefer girls to be less tall than me |
| 20:50.34 | popolon | perhaps tallest girls in china aren't interested in ARM SoC dev |
| 20:50.50 | popolon | I personally like both :) |
| 20:51.46 | popolon | probably if I play basketball, I want to win and girls was in opposite team, I prefer they are smaller |
| 20:55.57 | popolon | But I don't want to play basketball and if I play I probably want they win to make them happy as I don't care about the balloon |
| 20:55.58 | popolon | :) |
| 20:56.20 | Marex | popolon: :D |
| 20:56.33 | Marex | popolon: that was sexistic! |
| 20:56.53 | popolon | sorry |
| 20:57.04 | Marex | popolon: hehe, I don't give a splat :D |
| 20:57.08 | popolon | I really don't want |
| 20:57.28 | Marex | I really don't care ;-) |
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| 21:26.51 | furan | is it true that the non-otg usb ports on the a10 do not support hubs? |
| 21:42.52 | popolon | https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centre_national_d%27art_et_de_culture_Georges-Pompidou |
| 21:43.05 | popolon | bizarre de mettre un - entre un prénom et un nom ??? |
| 21:44.06 | popolon | Impressionnant le voir les tours du XIXe derriere sur la photo d'illustration de cet article :) |
| 21:44.51 | popolon | on se rend rarement compte dans paris, la focale devait être super longue : |
| 21:44.59 | popolon | y'a pas les champs exif, dommage |
| 21:45.50 | popolon | c'est pas le 19e dans cette direction, je suis con |
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| 21:46.10 | popolon | c'est le XIIIe :D |
| 21:46.48 | popolon | la tour st jacques en travaux en rajoute une couche |
| 21:47.14 | popolon | a ca doit etre depuis montmartre ou un toit vers les galeries lafayette |
| 21:47.27 | popolon | tiens si j'arrêtais de monologuer ? |
| 21:47.39 | ManoftheSea | popolon: you're speaking fancy |
| 21:48.14 | popolon | oops |
| 21:48.18 | popolon | weonc channel |
| 21:48.24 | popolon | sorry |
| 21:48.27 | popolon | wrong channel |
| 21:49.25 | popolon | I asked myself why I made a monolog on a so pulated channel where people are really active :)) really sorry |
| 21:49.35 | orly_owl | sacre blu! |
| 21:49.50 | ManoftheSea | I wondered why you were talking about art. |
| 21:51.07 | popolon | :) |
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