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| 06:45.58 | lundman | Mele can't do IPTV can it |
| 06:49.17 | Mazon | huh? - isn't that just an mpeg stream via udp ? |
| 06:49.39 | Mazon | afaik, its just a software issue |
| 06:51.25 | lundman | well, needs to get ipv6, then join the multicast group, and get the EPG guide, then finally, play the mpeg/h264 streams |
| 06:51.43 | lundman | some of the A10 boxes do put IPTV on the box, but I dont think mele did from memory |
| 06:52.08 | Mazon | all of these are software issues ? |
| 06:52.28 | Mazon | needs ipv6 enabled kernel and network stack |
| 06:52.35 | Mazon | IGMP support |
| 06:52.44 | Mazon | not sure about EPG protocol |
| 06:52.51 | Mazon | and then actual stream |
| 06:53.10 | lundman | so. Is the Mele advertised as IPTV ready, and has software on it, or not :) |
| 06:53.30 | Mazon | well, I was thinking that if you installed xbmc, it might ? |
| 06:53.53 | lundman | i do have xbmc on windows, but not tried tvheadenv yet |
| 06:54.41 | lundman | also, why do I always type env |
| 07:05.21 | rm | lundman, most IPTV currently does not use IPv6 |
| 07:06.03 | lundman | alas, mine does |
| 07:07.18 | rm | okay |
| 07:07.27 | rm | for IPv6 you need to ensure your kernel has https://github.com/amery/linux-allwinner/commit/6601f8166ffa902572c207e5bd5598d284bee8e5 |
| 07:09.24 | lundman | ah yep |
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| 08:05.47 | popolon | http://www.anandtech.com/show/6203/details-on-intels-valleyview-soc-emerge-22nm-atom-with-ivy-bridge-graphics |
| 08:05.58 | popolon | intel have plan for SoC's too |
| 08:06.18 | lundman | weird, I got intel dev.. then they dropped their tv soc |
| 08:06.24 | lundman | and now they seem to be back |
| 08:07.11 | popolon | probably after the success of arm & mips SoC |
| 08:07.43 | popolon | and the too huge amount of energy needed for what they call [("apu")] |
| 08:08.37 | lundman | late 2013, sounds like they will miss the party |
| 08:12.19 | popolon | they do that in GPU world too, few years ago |
| 08:12.26 | popolon | done |
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| 08:24.21 | markvandenborre | can I install debian to the internal nand of the mele a2000? |
| 08:26.24 | markvandenborre | I'm googling and coombing through the wiki, but it's not entirely clear to me... |
| 08:29.37 | markvandenborre | I guess I could put debian onto the nand and point uboot at it some way... |
| 08:31.11 | RaYmAn | markvandenborre: it's definitely possible. The easiest way is probably to create a suitable debian boot.img (ANDROID format), flash it to nandc (I think) and have it boot from whatever nand partition you dump the rootfs on. |
| 08:32.14 | markvandenborre | ok, that sounds like a fun adventure |
| 08:32.37 | markvandenborre | I'm willing to go through that |
| 08:32.54 | markvandenborre | and document everything as extensively as possible |
| 08:33.23 | lundman | yeah boot SD card, mount your nand, and write an image to it, with uboot etc |
| 08:33.50 | markvandenborre | lundman: you have done that before? |
| 08:34.18 | markvandenborre | I have a mele a2000 sitting here, with a serial console |
| 08:35.17 | markvandenborre | and I was just hesitating to order a few of these devices until I am reasonably sure that works |
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| 08:35.23 | markvandenborre | so thank you both! |
| 08:36.44 | lundman | i never took that step |
| 08:36.57 | lundman | but I did replace the android kernel by doing that |
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| 08:37.22 | lundman | and if you stuff up nand, you can boot the regular SD to restore nand again, so I dont think you can brick it |
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| 08:42.21 | markvandenborre | lundman: you mean just dd whatever is on the nand before fiddling with it, right? |
| 08:43.21 | lundman | I did yes, for easy recovery. But the official firmware is "SD boot" which programs the nand |
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| 08:50.28 | markvandenborre | problem is I want to exclusively use the SD card for something else |
| 08:52.31 | lundman | sure, its only for the one boot when you write the OS to nand |
| 08:55.45 | mnemoc | hopefully soon we will be able to do that using fel too... |
| 08:56.07 | RaYmAn | we know it works in theory at least:P |
| 08:56.23 | RaYmAn | (well - in practice too - one one device at least :P) |
| 08:58.29 | mnemoc | :) |
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| 09:09.42 | markvandenborre | mnemoc: you seem to know a bit more about this? |
| 09:15.59 | mnemoc | i know nothing |
| 09:21.10 | markvandenborre | oh, you're Manuel from Barcelona :p |
| 09:22.18 | mnemoc | nope |
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| 10:02.52 | The-Compiler | heya |
| 10:03.48 | The-Compiler | just got my Mele, but forgot the chinese to european power supply adapter :( |
| 10:04.12 | mnemoc | any USA/EU adapter will work too |
| 10:04.48 | mnemoc | the power supply is 100-240V |
| 10:04.54 | The-Compiler | would have been 0.89$ in the same shop... now heading to a local shop and probably I will pay like $30 for some universal power supply >_< |
| 10:05.30 | The-Compiler | yeah I know, but it is flat, not round |
| 10:06.16 | mnemoc | order a dozen 0.89$ adapters so you don't have this problem next time :p |
| 10:07.04 | Mazon | doesn't these chinese power supplies suck anyway? - lots of noise etc etc |
| 10:08.41 | mnemoc | I don't know about the performance, but the power supply of my mele doesn't buzz |
| 10:09.05 | mnemoc | my 2A/4xUSB does :< |
| 10:09.39 | The-Compiler | if someone knows where I can get http://dx.com/p/flat-to-round-power-plug-convertor-3529?item=1 without waiting a month or two, let me know |
| 10:10.04 | libv | The-Compiler: just get a universal power supply |
| 10:10.15 | mnemoc | some of those shops have uk warehouses for certain products |
| 10:10.48 | The-Compiler | yep, it is not in the eu warehouse, checked that |
| 10:11.24 | The-Compiler | also they shipped my Mele via TNT... would have expected China EMS :D |
| 10:11.41 | libv | The-Compiler: i am using a universal power supply for my mele and for my C71, 5V 2A and the right connector and pin ordering works just fine |
| 10:12.18 | libv | plus, it is lighter, takes up less space, and doesn't have the bad contact that the chinese power supply for the C71 had |
| 10:12.30 | libv | oh, and the lead is longer |
| 10:13.25 | libv | this adapter you are showing, look at the tips, this is just copper plate bent into pins |
| 10:13.31 | libv | they are completely hollow |
| 10:14.15 | The-Compiler | well, assuming the connection diagram and voltage on the mele are correct, that's what I will do |
| 10:14.59 | libv | they are |
| 10:15.06 | The-Compiler | I did own chinese products where this was marked incorrect |
| 10:15.21 | The-Compiler | good :) |
| 10:15.57 | The-Compiler | anyways, bus arrived in the city, so see you later and thanks :) |
| 10:39.21 | The-Compiler | blergh, first shop only has a $40 bulky travel adapter |
| 10:39.38 | The-Compiler | second has power supplies, but only up to 1A |
| 10:39.59 | The-Compiler | on my way to the other two I know... |
| 10:50.17 | mnemoc | yesterday I received 2 12V chinese power supplies and they are labeled "DA/DC adapter"... but they seem to work correctly :p |
| 10:55.27 | The-Compiler | haha, digital/analog to direct current? :p |
| 10:56.58 | The-Compiler | I bet I will end up soldering something dangerous |
| 11:10.29 | libv | The-Compiler: i am using a powersupply which is rated 12V-1A |
| 11:11.09 | libv | seems just happy at 5V on both C71 and mele, even though the C71's original is rated 5V-3A |
| 11:20.17 | mnemoc | libv: not using the SATA I suppose |
| 11:25.41 | libv | true |
| 11:25.45 | The-Compiler | got an adapter in the last shop for us-ch |
| 11:26.14 | The-Compiler | does not fit 100% because the "profile" is round, not square |
| 11:26.27 | The-Compiler | but I'll just clip that off |
| 11:27.45 | The-Compiler | I plan to use USB and SATA so I guess I need the 2A |
| 11:28.35 | libv | The-Compiler: reichelt has 5V 2A universal power supplies |
| 11:29.24 | The-Compiler | hmm, that would've been an option |
| 11:29.45 | The-Compiler | let's see how well it works with the adapter |
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| 11:31.36 | The-Compiler | and well I'm off today so I kinda wanted something which allows me to start playing immediately |
| 11:33.13 | The-Compiler | I hate it when you get a shiny new gadget and can't start messing with it because of some meta-problems... well, my fault this time :P |
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| 11:37.43 | popolon | The-Compiler, |
| 11:38.01 | popolon | in china the voltage / frenquency is the same than in europe |
| 11:38.09 | popolon | 220V/50Hz |
| 11:38.28 | popolon | you only need a little plastic adaptor |
| 11:38.33 | mnemoc | The-Compiler: keep a safe stock of uSD/SD cards, power adapters, wire jumpers, ttl/usb adapters, etc etc... |
| 11:38.55 | mnemoc | popolon: in some countries they don't sell them because they are considered "unsafe" |
| 11:38.58 | The-Compiler | popolon, sure, I know |
| 11:39.21 | popolon | mnemoc, in which country ? |
| 11:39.40 | popolon | only the shape is not the same |
| 11:39.57 | popolon | at least in france the two pines are rounds in china flat |
| 11:40.06 | The-Compiler | popolon, but getting that without paying $40 for an everything to everything adapter was difficult |
| 11:40.07 | mnemoc | but cheap ones are usually loosy |
| 11:40.27 | popolon | and you can generally use french powersupply in china, as their wallmount accept several formats |
| 11:40.32 | mnemoc | so you have to order them from the wild east and wait a month to receive them |
| 11:40.49 | popolon | cost about 1€ |
| 11:40.54 | popolon | depending on your plug |
| 11:41.08 | The-Compiler | I got something now which will fit when I file a bit of plastic off |
| 11:41.35 | popolon | http://dx.com/p/flat-to-round-power-plug-convertor-3529?item=1 |
| 11:41.36 | The-Compiler | the problem is I don't want to wait another month :D |
| 11:41.53 | The-Compiler | I linked that before |
| 11:42.00 | popolon | i didn't see you push this link, I use this kind of adapter |
| 11:42.16 | The-Compiler | I just forgot to order that with the mele |
| 11:42.18 | popolon | I just see your link copy/past, and see that the same price that mine |
| 11:42.41 | mnemoc | we all do... buy at least on my city (in .es) you can't buy them locally |
| 11:42.43 | popolon | perhaps I bought it in china ? |
| 11:42.50 | mnemoc | s/buy/but/ |
| 11:43.18 | mnemoc | only large and fancy 20E+ ones |
| 11:43.19 | popolon | you can 5€ adapter in uk, in little electric shops (in uk, plugs are not the same than in france) |
| 11:43.40 | popolon | that was the first I found in a residential area of london |
| 11:43.57 | popolon | I suppose by searching little diy shops you should found that |
| 11:44.09 | popolon | that was with ground pin |
| 11:44.28 | mnemoc | who needs ground? :p |
| 11:44.35 | popolon | :) |
| 11:44.41 | popolon | my flat doesn't have :/ |
| 11:44.55 | popolon | and there is lot of wood on my building |
| 11:45.46 | popolon | The-Compiler, <1€ with free shipping, you can buy it online |
| 11:46.11 | The-Compiler | .. |
| 11:46.20 | mnemoc | 13:41:59 < The-Compiler> the problem is I don't want to wait another month :D |
| 11:46.20 | The-Compiler | okay, ignore what I say |
| 11:46.43 | popolon | that's less expansive to day, to buy thing at 8000Km distance than in your street for so little things |
| 11:46.46 | popolon | sorry :) |
| 11:46.54 | The-Compiler | I ordered the mele from DX in the first place |
| 11:47.04 | mnemoc | The-Compiler: shame on you |
| 11:47.12 | mnemoc | The-Compiler: you should buy them from tom |
| 11:47.14 | The-Compiler | why? |
| 11:47.20 | popolon | http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=Flat+to+Round+Power+Plug+Convertor+ |
| 11:47.47 | The-Compiler | well, afk for a bit |
| 11:48.00 | mnemoc | The-Compiler: to help a humble chinese hacker and friend of the community |
| 11:48.19 | popolon | mnemoc, url ? |
| 11:49.06 | mnemoc | http://www.aliexpress.com/store/511685 |
| 11:49.46 | mnemoc | Mele A3600.... |
| 11:51.45 | rm | The main difference of A3600 to A2000/A1000: |
| 11:51.45 | rm | 1. The case 2. A3600 come with F1 air mouse. |
| 11:51.51 | rm | forgot to mention the antenna |
| 11:51.57 | popolon | still only 512MB ram :( |
| 12:00.09 | mnemoc | really eager to see the final design for the cubieboard and a10-olinuxino |
| 12:02.34 | Mazon | aye, still 512 MB ram and single core :( |
| 12:08.38 | mnemoc | there are many use cases where A10/1GB is a great choice... but 512MB is sad :< |
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| 12:23.39 | mnemoc | the hidden magic ubuntu does with chroot and qemu-arm-static is sort of scary |
| 12:24.36 | RaYmAn | it's not really ubuntu - it's just binfmt :P |
| 12:24.55 | mnemoc | binfmt searchs for the emulator? |
| 12:25.03 | mnemoc | even more scary |
| 12:25.20 | RaYmAn | no, binfmt is setup to know what to use for specific ID's |
| 12:25.26 | mnemoc | :) |
| 12:25.27 | RaYmAn | it works with mono too if setup right |
| 12:25.37 | RaYmAn | so you can just ./some.exe and it runs mono some.exe |
| 12:25.45 | mnemoc | :o |
| 12:25.49 | RaYmAn | ubuntu does kind of hide some of it for sure |
| 12:25.53 | RaYmAn | but it's a kernel feature really |
| 12:30.36 | mnemoc | it's very useful :) |
| 12:37.08 | Turl | :o new mele |
| 12:38.49 | mnemoc | sata seems internal this time |
| 12:43.37 | The-Compiler | back |
| 12:43.52 | Turl | it's interesting how mele keeps iterating over the same board and hw |
| 12:45.59 | The-Compiler | regarding ordering from somewhere else: I like the idea of supporting small individuals, but I've been a DX customer for years (I guess I ordered a total of over $2000 from them) but there I know I won't have any problems when it's dead on arrival |
| 12:47.05 | The-Compiler | and they are cheap and reasonably fast (took 12 days from ordering until it arrived) |
| 12:49.02 | mnemoc | The-Compiler: it this case Tom is not a random small individual, it's the author of the u-boot port, maintainer of the mali libraries for linux, responsible of GPLing the previously "all rights reserved" kernel code released by Qware and a fellow of this irc channel ;-) |
| 12:49.27 | mnemoc | but sure, it's up to you to choose from who you buy |
| 12:49.42 | The-Compiler | hat off to him then, but I still didn't know about him before :P |
| 12:50.48 | mnemoc | :) |
| 12:51.22 | mnemoc | .oO(where is my hdmi cable??!)o |
| 12:56.49 | The-Compiler | regarding the adapter, some brute force did it: http://the-compiler.org/tmp/adapter.jpg |
| 12:58.22 | popolon | The-Compiler, do you have an eeepc or a japanese camera charger ? |
| 12:58.29 | The-Compiler | nope |
| 12:58.54 | popolon | ok, because they contains both the detachable asia=>europe adapter |
| 12:59.18 | popolon | at least nikon DSLR and asus eeepc |
| 12:59.19 | The-Compiler | well, I have a working adapter now, so what :) |
| 12:59.25 | popolon | oh, ok |
| 12:59.52 | popolon | but can be usefull else in case of (just remember this) |
| 13:15.45 | The-Compiler | hmm, the mele _should_ be able to boot from SDHC cards, right? |
| 13:16.12 | lundman | yeah |
| 13:16.18 | The-Compiler | trying to get archlinuxarm on it, now I don't get any output when plugging it in (nothing on VGA/HDMI/Composite) |
| 13:16.20 | lundman | although every 2nd power off/on for me |
| 13:17.42 | The-Compiler | do I need any special bootargs in the uEnv.txt to have output? |
| 13:17.53 | The-Compiler | now the TTL to USB adapter which didn't arrive yet would be handy... |
| 13:25.30 | The-Compiler | hmmm if I get it right a framebuffer-driver is missing anyways... so let's hope it answers to ARP requests so I can get the IP and ssh into it |
| 13:32.31 | The-Compiler | damn, no luck... anyone else running (Arch)Linux on their Mele? |
| 13:42.13 | mnemoc | the maintainer of arch for a10 is here, but I forgot his nick :< |
| 13:43.11 | RaYmAn | WarheadsSE? |
| 13:43.35 | mnemoc | RaYmAn: yes, thank you :) |
| 13:43.54 | mnemoc | vacations side-effect :p |
| 13:44.17 | RaYmAn | brain malfunction? :P |
| 13:44.22 | mnemoc | :) |
| 13:44.29 | mnemoc | The-Compiler: since yesterday we have fbcon for sun4i |
| 13:45.33 | The-Compiler | mnemoc: haha. I have no idea how I'd install that though. Is it just a module or so? |
| 13:46.07 | mnemoc | The-Compiler: you need to build your own kernel |
| 13:47.51 | The-Compiler | well, I didn't cross-compile much yet, but I might give it a try. |
| 13:48.12 | The-Compiler | on the other hand I don't have an idea if the kernel even boots... |
| 13:49.20 | The-Compiler | interestingly enough it seems to have eth link |
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| 14:03.55 | CIA-16 | rhombus-tech: PEPE master * r46c5d682c177 /allwinner_a10/orders/CLBBEMP55G.mdwn: after seeing more specs, it isn't what I want |
| 14:17.52 | Turl | mnemoc: :O fbcon? :D |
| 14:18.55 | mnemoc | Turl: feedback welcomed ;-) |
| 14:19.36 | mnemoc | I'll make a tag after people confirm it works fine and then jump to the next 3.0.x and add your updated mali |
| 14:19.45 | Turl | :) |
| 14:20.25 | Turl | I don't have any use for fbcon tbh, but it's gonna come in handy for many people :) |
| 14:20.53 | mnemoc | you can still test it and take some pictures for PR purposes :p |
| 14:21.32 | Turl | $ ssh mele uptime |
| 14:21.33 | Turl | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:21.38 | The-Compiler | hmm, I'm pretty certain it does not boot at all |
| 14:21.45 | The-Compiler | and I have no idea why |
| 14:22.28 | Turl | The-Compiler: what compiler are you using? |
| 14:22.55 | Turl | when I build with 4.6, the USB stack blows up and kpanics |
| 14:23.17 | mnemoc | uses 4.6.3... |
| 14:23.33 | Turl | mnemoc: do you have OTG? |
| 14:24.01 | mnemoc | that only works on android iirc |
| 14:24.32 | Turl | ... which casually is what I use :P |
| 14:25.30 | RaYmAn | it's kind of odd it only works with android :S |
| 14:25.37 | RaYmAn | but I guess the driver is just hacked up to work exactly with that |
| 14:25.48 | mnemoc | help fixing sunxi's usb gadget on 3.4 is very welcomed |
| 14:25.53 | RaYmAn | :P |
| 14:26.00 | The-Compiler | Turl: I used the prebuilt image from archlinuxarm.org |
| 14:26.18 | mnemoc | RaYmAn: they implemented the support directly in android.c |
| 14:26.22 | RaYmAn | erk |
| 14:26.38 | RaYmAn | so when you say OTG you actually mean gadget? |
| 14:26.44 | mnemoc | yes |
| 14:26.51 | Turl | Kconfig also mentions some "sunxi USB manager" |
| 14:26.55 | RaYmAn | does the port itself work? e.g. in host mode or similar? |
| 14:27.12 | mnemoc | host works, yes |
| 14:27.28 | Turl | RaYmAn: my tab has an "OTG" port and a "client" port |
| 14:27.43 | Turl | the OTG one is for all purposes I can see, a host port |
| 14:27.46 | Turl | with an OTG connector |
| 14:28.10 | RaYmAn | that's..funky |
| 14:28.35 | Turl | so my tablet has 2 mini/microUSB (I don't recall >.<) |
| 14:28.41 | RaYmAn | my mk802 has an "OTG" port that works in both host & device (which is kind of required for it to be OTG? ;)) plus a regular USB |
| 14:28.49 | mnemoc | the a10/a13 schematics call the FEL pin "u-boot"... |
| 14:28.49 | Turl | I often plug it to the OTG port then bitch when it doesn't work :) |
| 14:29.08 | RaYmAn | Turl: have you tried with an OTG adapter thing? |
| 14:29.25 | Turl | I have one, came with the tab |
| 14:29.34 | Turl | haven't tried plugging it on the 'client' one though |
| 14:29.35 | RaYmAn | two mini is funky anyways |
| 14:29.43 | Turl | the other is definitely host-ish |
| 14:29.46 | RaYmAn | but just having mini doesn't make it otg :) |
| 14:30.57 | mnemoc | any idea where is hipboi? |
| 14:31.29 | The-Compiler | so... any idea how I could get informations why my Mele doesn't boot without having my TTL to USB adapter yet? |
| 14:32.13 | RaYmAn | I have no idea if it works, but if you can force a reset that doesn't power off ram, you might be able to use ramconsole? |
| 14:32.43 | mnemoc | The-Compiler: you are probably doomed |
| 14:33.06 | The-Compiler | I wonder what I'm doing wrong anyways :D |
| 14:33.17 | mnemoc | The-Compiler: get a ttl/usb :p |
| 14:33.44 | The-Compiler | just phoned a local electronic shop, they don't have it (?!? they even have nixie tubes!) |
| 14:34.54 | The-Compiler | and I already ordered one, but singapore post says "information recieved (this is not an acknowledgment of the physical receipt of the stated Registered Article) since 5 days |
| 14:35.44 | The-Compiler | so either a good friend I meet tomorrow has one, or I need to wait... impatient me :D |
| 14:36.29 | mnemoc | advice: order a couple adapters more :p |
| 14:36.43 | Turl | The-Compiler: ebaylike site near you doesn't have them? :P |
| 14:36.55 | mnemoc | it always good to have the around, and others may arrive faster |
| 14:37.56 | The-Compiler | local electronics retailer has the FTDI cables for $30 |
| 14:39.15 | mnemoc | o_O |
| 14:39.31 | The-Compiler | exactly my thought. |
| 14:40.29 | Turl | they're like 25$ here (+shipping) |
| 14:40.31 | Turl | mnemoc: http://listado.mercadolibre.com.ar/usb-ttl :P |
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| 14:41.51 | The-Compiler | "ebaylike site near you" was a great hint |
| 14:42.00 | The-Compiler | found one for $10 plus $5 shipping |
| 14:43.56 | The-Compiler | hah, and one on ebay for $7 and free shipping, even in the same country I am |
| 14:45.33 | mnemoc | that's more reasonable.... more considering you can usually buy them from china for less than $2 including world wide shipping |
| 14:47.01 | Turl | yep |
| 14:47.12 | Turl | but if you're in a hurry 7$ is not that bad :) |
| 14:47.31 | mnemoc | but $20+ is simply absurd |
| 14:47.37 | Turl | yeah :| |
| 14:47.44 | Turl | might need to buy some and resell |
| 14:47.49 | Turl | earn some bucks in the process :P |
| 14:48.36 | RaYmAn | actually not a bad idea |
| 14:48.36 | RaYmAn | lol |
| 14:48.52 | Turl | 10$ ;) best price!11 haha |
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| 14:58.44 | The-Compiler | thought about that with a lot of DX products |
| 14:59.15 | The-Compiler | there is a local shop called Pearl, I was able to find everything in their stock I checked so far on dealextreme, for 1/5 to 1/10 of the price |
| 15:03.23 | Turl | dx is usually waay cheaper than buying locally over here |
| 15:04.20 | RaYmAn | the big issue is that if you buy a big bundle of things, you'll get caught in customs more likely :P |
| 15:04.49 | Turl | RaYmAn: I always buy on <25US bunches :) |
| 15:05.09 | Turl | and get RR free :P |
| 15:05.36 | RaYmAn | heh |
| 15:09.38 | The-Compiler | yeah, free shipping, so just buy in small bunches |
| 15:10.00 | The-Compiler | my Mele was $120 or so with shipping, they declared it as $30 and I didn't have to pay customs :D |
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| 15:28.06 | WarheadsSE | mnemoc: RaYmAn The-Compiler what huh.. on vacation |
| 15:28.08 | WarheadsSE | .. |
| 15:28.26 | WarheadsSE | I'll deal with the kernel updates after I get back next week. fbcon should make some people happy though. |
| 15:28.29 | WarheadsSE | poof |
| 15:28.54 | The-Compiler | hehe |
| 15:32.45 | mnemoc | :) |
| 15:34.03 | WarheadsSE | oh, almost forgot: if The-Compiler would like to make any suggestions, github archlinuxarm/PKGBUILDs is forkable ;) |
| 15:34.11 | WarheadsSE | smokebomb |
| 15:34.24 | mnemoc | *g* |
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| 15:38.51 | The-Compiler | first I need a running archlinuxarm to be honest :P |
| 15:40.18 | mnemoc | The-Compiler: tried a prebuilt image? |
| 15:43.04 | mnemoc | The-Compiler: or actually... tried an official image from mele? |
| 15:45.23 | The-Compiler | huh? |
| 15:45.40 | The-Compiler | I'm using the archlinuxarm image, and the mele-Android works fine |
| 15:46.55 | WarheadsSE | has had hands full with paid projects, and this way too fucking rare thing called vacation |
| 15:47.45 | The-Compiler | and I tried using http://www.cnx-software.com/2012/07/20/nightly-builds-for-allwinner-a10-u-boot-linux-kernel-and-hardware-packs/ |
| 15:47.57 | The-Compiler | on two different SD cards, with no luck so far |
| 15:48.44 | mnemoc | try a fel card |
| 15:48.53 | mnemoc | just to see if your SD is working fine |
| 15:48.58 | The-Compiler | fel card? |
| 15:49.49 | The-Compiler | tried a 2GB SanDisk which I used in my Pandaboard before and a 16GB Sandisk |
| 15:50.00 | mnemoc | uhm... no. I guess you don't have a compatible cable to access the usb otg header inside the mele |
| 15:50.47 | mnemoc | The-Compiler: zero the card first |
| 15:51.04 | The-Compiler | I used this mkcard script which came with archlinuxarm |
| 15:51.11 | The-Compiler | which does that I think |
| 15:52.12 | mnemoc | archlinuxarm-specific stuff is out of my scope |
| 15:52.20 | The-Compiler | hmmm, I think I could easily hack some USB cable to access the OTG port |
| 15:52.28 | The-Compiler | what do you have in mind? |
| 15:53.10 | mnemoc | a fel card is one that boots your sunxi device directly into FEL mode |
| 15:53.40 | mnemoc | if it works you'll see the fel id in your `lsusb` |
| 15:55.03 | The-Compiler | hmm, that won't help me much either I guess |
| 15:55.34 | The-Compiler | the FEL mode is that "boot from SD"-mode? I think the card does that already. The script dd's sun4i-spl.bin over it with an 8kb offset |
| 15:55.40 | mnemoc | it will tell you if your card+socket is good |
| 15:56.15 | mnemoc | FEL mode is a low level recovery system in ROM |
| 15:56.41 | mnemoc | there is "boot from SD" bootloaders that just triggers FEL |
| 15:56.51 | mnemoc | bootloader* |
| 15:57.34 | The-Compiler | hmm, not sure if that's worth the hassle |
| 15:57.48 | mnemoc | The-Compiler: in your case, not really |
| 15:57.50 | The-Compiler | or if I should just wait for the TTL to USB adapter :D |
| 15:57.57 | mnemoc | yes |
| 15:58.21 | The-Compiler | as soon as everything is here I will drill some holes in the case and add MiniUSB-connectors for USB OTG and RS232 anyways |
| 15:58.28 | The-Compiler | and eSATA :) |
| 16:01.21 | The-Compiler | well actually I guess the socket is okay because when the card is inserted the stock android does not boot |
| 16:02.43 | The-Compiler | and I see the FAT32 boot partition in Android |
| 16:05.50 | mnemoc | check if they use rootwait as bootarg |
| 16:06.13 | The-Compiler | yes they do |
| 16:06.41 | The-Compiler | http://p.cmpl.cc/2b39379d |
| 16:07.19 | mnemoc | get a ttl/usb |
| 16:07.50 | The-Compiler | I'm kinda scared it will be like my first time with the pandaboard |
| 16:08.02 | mnemoc | there is no much you can do blind |
| 16:08.03 | The-Compiler | just "it does not work" with zero output :P |
| 16:09.12 | The-Compiler | just looking at the fex after doing bin2fex just for fun |
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| 16:14.55 | The-Compiler | which makes me wonder... seems the image is for the mele A100, maybe the fex/script.bin is not compatible? |
| 16:16.07 | mnemoc | all those mele devices are identical |
| 16:16.20 | mnemoc | only the case changes |
| 16:17.20 | mnemoc | the only possible diff could be that a100's SATA may come disabled |
| 16:17.33 | mnemoc | but that shouldn't affect booting |
| 16:18.08 | The-Compiler | mhm, just got another script.bin for the A1000 and the only thing which is different is the VGA resolution (640x480 versus 800x600) |
| 16:20.55 | The-Compiler | but yeah, I guess I'll just shut up until I get the TTL to USB adapter |
| 16:21.32 | The-Compiler | unless someone has a genius idea why it couldn't be booting (but the ethernet lights still stay on) |
| 16:31.10 | mnemoc | wonders why the heck his ubuntu card decided to not start any getty or ssh |
| 16:31.47 | arete74 | The-Compiler, try with mele ubuntu image |
| 16:44.15 | The-Compiler | arete74: can't find any instructions anywhere, do I just get the image from http://rhombus-tech.net/allwinner_a10/hacking_the_mele_a1000/mele_ubuntu_image/ and dd it over the card? |
| 16:45.43 | mnemoc | The-Compiler: http://www.cnx-software.com/2012/07/20/nightly-builds-for-allwinner-a10-u-boot-linux-kernel-and-hardware-packs/ |
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| 17:00.52 | WarheadsSE | The-Compiler: where is your rootfs? Sata? Might need the updated kernel package on that rootfs tarball. I will be updating it at the turn of the month. |
| 17:02.32 | xxiao | mnemoc: on that cnx link, what rootfs is that, self-made, debian, arch? |
| 17:02.52 | mnemoc | xxiao: linaro's ubuntu |
| 17:03.44 | xxiao | ok, anybody is working on some other alternatives, e.g. yocto or something lighter? |
| 17:04.25 | Turl | WarheadsSE: did you get X running? |
| 17:04.26 | mnemoc | iirc someone started an OE thing for A10.... but I think died |
| 17:06.43 | mnemoc | it would be awesome to have proper sunxi support in OE and friends |
| 17:08.04 | xxiao | mnemoc: i'm considering it, not sure the time and bandwidth for the next few months though |
| 17:09.16 | xxiao | just received the 4th usb-ttl converter to try it on the seemingly broken pogoplug-pro |
| 17:09.46 | mnemoc | xxiao: bandwidth for packages you mean? I can create http://packages.linux-sunxi.org/oe/ for you to maintain ;-) |
| 17:10.42 | mnemoc | for hosting the layers (or however they call the customizations and packages) github is probably the best place |
| 17:10.46 | xxiao | bandwidth for time... |
| 17:10.49 | mnemoc | :) |
| 17:11.06 | xxiao | right, github should suffice for a meta-a10 |
| 17:11.15 | mnemoc | please don't limit it to a10 |
| 17:14.03 | mnemoc | please make it meta-sunxi so we can cover a13 and others |
| 17:14.29 | mnemoc | this is specially important for the a13-olinuxino |
| 17:14.37 | xxiao | ok |
| 17:14.43 | xxiao | make sense |
| 17:14.44 | mnemoc | and it doesn't make sense to have two metas |
| 17:15.16 | xxiao | is there a way to get a olinuxino prototype now |
| 17:16.26 | mnemoc | yes |
| 17:16.51 | mnemoc | xxiao: http://olimex.wordpress.com/2012/08/28/a13-olinuxino-wifi-developer-edition-is-now-on-our-web-shop-for-sale/ |
| 17:28.17 | xxiao | thanks, wow |
| 17:28.26 | xxiao | trying to find where to buy it in us |
| 17:28.50 | mnemoc | xxiao: not yet |
| 17:29.02 | mnemoc | xxiao: it's a "developer edition"... not mass production |
| 17:29.26 | rm | I don't get what's with the VGA problems |
| 17:29.39 | rm | is this a hardware issue they're talking about |
| 17:29.44 | xxiao | rm: specifically, is it software or hardware problem |
| 17:30.09 | mnemoc | rm: they implemented a simple LCD-to-VGA in hardware |
| 17:30.17 | mnemoc | rm: which doesn't work very well yet |
| 17:30.36 | mnemoc | rm: might be an script.bin-only thing, but it can also be hw |
| 17:31.47 | mnemoc | I also hope they change how vga_disable is implemented |
| 17:32.00 | mnemoc | but Tsvetan is not very fond to change his mind |
| 17:32.06 | xxiao | about $75 USD that is |
| 17:32.29 | The-Compiler | WarheadsSE: nope, the rootfs is on mmcblk0p2 |
| 17:33.47 | mnemoc | also not sure if they fixed the card detection in revB |
| 17:36.14 | The-Compiler | so what would be ideal? USB? |
| 17:36.46 | mnemoc | mmcblk0p2 is the normal rootfs when booting from SD |
| 17:38.02 | The-Compiler | yep, that's where I have the rootfs (and how it's configured in uEnv.txt) but it does not boot |
| 17:44.15 | xxiao | sigh, still could not get serial output from pogoplug-pro, scope showed good wave but none of my usb-ttl converter can make it useful |
| 17:44.20 | xxiao | s/could/would/ |
| 17:44.51 | xxiao | spent too much time on this POS |
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| 17:47.00 | xxiao | it either showed nothing, or gibbersish |
| 17:47.24 | mnemoc | gibbersish usually means wrong serial settings |
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| 17:48.11 | xxiao | not in this case, scope told me it's 115200 |
| 17:48.16 | xxiao | though i tried various settings |
| 17:49.13 | xxiao | starts to remove the 4-pin holder as it's too small |
| 17:50.32 | mnemoc | 2mm? |
| 18:03.51 | xxiao | about that |
| 18:03.57 | xxiao | anyway i'm done with it |
| 18:04.11 | xxiao | 5 hours on getting this serial port working, time for trash it |
| 18:06.16 | ccssnet | hi all |
| 18:07.01 | xxiao | it also uses pin that is too thin for any jump wires |
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| 18:17.05 | The-Compiler | trying the second Ubuntu image on my mele now and it also doesn't boot... makes me wonder if something is wrong with my Mele |
| 18:17.25 | The-Compiler | (yes I know, I should just wait for my USB to TTL thingy already) |
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| 18:39.35 | rm | I have an MK802 that is not booting from SD |
| 18:39.54 | rm | makes me think there's something fishy going on with the SD reader part |
| 18:40.15 | Turl | maybe it's a telechips mk802 rm? :) |
| 18:40.39 | Turl | there's chinese MK802 fakes now :) |
| 18:42.40 | RaYmAn | it's kind of funny when chinese knock-offs gets knock-offs |
| 18:42.42 | rm | I know |
| 18:42.43 | rm | but no |
| 18:42.53 | RaYmAn | (clearly, mk802 is a knock-off of that norwegian one) |
| 18:42.59 | Turl | RaYmAn: MK802 isn't a knockoff afaik |
| 18:43.04 | rm | I have described the situation on the mailing list |
| 18:43.18 | rm | the u-boot SPL can't access the SD card to load u-boot |
| 18:43.19 | Turl | rm: I heard they're sometimes picky of the SDCards being used |
| 18:43.24 | Turl | try another one if you have a spare |
| 18:43.28 | rm | tried about four different ones |
| 18:44.04 | RaYmAn | Turl: how so? It seemed to suddenly appear in a reasonable time after cotton candy was announced |
| 18:44.10 | rm | the only way to boot it "from SD" was to put a kernel with hardcoded "root=/dev/mmcblk0p2" command line into NAND |
| 18:44.22 | rm | the kernel sees the SD cards fine |
| 18:44.27 | Turl | RaYmAn: what's cotton candy? :P |
| 18:44.43 | RaYmAn | Turl: seriously? |
| 18:45.04 | RaYmAn | Turl: http://www.fxitech.com/ |
| 18:45.29 | rm | good ideas come to many smart people at the same time |
| 18:45.37 | RaYmAn | I must say I have no doubt mk802 is essentially a knockoff or perhaps "inspired" :P |
| 18:45.37 | Turl | sounds familiar, but haven't heard any buzz around it |
| 18:45.49 | RaYmAn | the buzz was...uhm, CES last year or the year before |
| 18:45.52 | RaYmAn | something like that |
| 18:45.57 | RaYmAn | it went quite big |
| 18:46.01 | RaYmAn | but then sort of died out. |
| 18:46.19 | rm | it's $200 |
| 18:46.25 | Turl | they don't have a buy button |
| 18:46.30 | Turl | looks like vaporware to me :) |
| 18:47.02 | RaYmAn | it's not cheap and they've only done pre-order/dev order so far |
| 18:47.23 | Turl | cortex A9@1.2Ghz + Mali |
| 18:47.27 | RaYmAn | iirc it's omap4 |
| 18:47.30 | Turl | better than the A10 ones |
| 18:47.59 | Turl | single core omap4? |
| 18:48.05 | RaYmAn | no, dualcore |
| 18:48.05 | Turl | didn't know such thing existed |
| 18:48.11 | Turl | it doesn't mention dual core |
| 18:48.13 | RaYmAn | hm |
| 18:48.16 | Turl | also, OMAP with a Mali? |
| 18:48.20 | Turl | doesn't OMAP have PowerVR? |
| 18:48.26 | RaYmAn | hm |
| 18:48.32 | RaYmAn | http://www.engadget.com/2011/11/17/fxis-cotton-candy-could-turn-every-screen-you-own-into-a-cloud/ |
| 18:48.36 | RaYmAn | this was the buzz article :P |
| 18:49.04 | RaYmAn | you're right, it's not omap |
| 18:49.09 | RaYmAn | tries to remember what it was then |
| 18:49.14 | Turl | weird that their product page doesn't boast being dual core then |
| 18:49.15 | Turl | http://www.fxitech.com/products/ |
| 18:49.19 | RaYmAn | yeh |
| 18:49.26 | Turl | it says "quad core mali" yet nothing on the A9 |
| 18:51.33 | RaYmAn | there is some kind of shop here http://store.cstick.com/customer/account/login/ |
| 18:52.57 | RaYmAn | In any case, they were the first ones with this type of mini-computer :) |
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| 18:56.05 | xxiao | i'm happy they did not patent it |
| 18:56.40 | xxiao | apparently apple is smarter, even round edge for a device can be patented in usa |
| 18:57.55 | xxiao | is happy apple did not patent 'minipc', or 'usb-stick-alike pc', go to hell apple |
| 18:59.23 | traeak | the software patents are hugely disturbing |
| 18:59.48 | traeak | so when i hack on a new user interface that means i have to hot search the patent database every time i do something to make sure i'm not infringing ? |
| 19:00.22 | specing | software patents are only valid in USA and Japan, AFAIK |
| 19:02.28 | The-Compiler | Okay, no motivation and no ideas left to try getting my Mele to boot from SD anymore before having the TTL to USB adapter. Thanks for all the help guys. |
| 19:03.21 | traeak | hmm? |
| 19:03.43 | The-Compiler | me? |
| 19:03.50 | traeak | it shouldn't be problem as long as your image is installed properly, intializes properly and gives you an ssh connection |
| 19:04.02 | traeak | there is an issue of the mac id |
| 19:04.17 | traeak | but you shodul be able to get the IP addy off your router once dhcp is established |
| 19:04.35 | The-Compiler | even with no MAC address? Or do I have to do anything in that regard? |
| 19:05.09 | traeak | i think your problem will be that the MAC id wn't be stable |
| 19:05.38 | The-Compiler | I tried two Ubuntu images and an Archlinux image over the past 4 hours or so, and with none of them I had an output on the screen, also I didn't see it online in the router's logs (Tomato), device list, or via an ARP scan (nmap -sP) |
| 19:05.48 | traeak | you won't get screen output probably |
| 19:05.59 | traeak | only via X11 |
| 19:06.10 | The-Compiler | yeah, but it also isn't in the LAN |
| 19:06.12 | traeak | so no lights on the ether port ? |
| 19:06.18 | The-Compiler | the lights are on |
| 19:06.31 | traeak | i can't remember :-p |
| 19:06.33 | The-Compiler | well depending on the image actually |
| 19:06.35 | Turl | traeak: fbcon support was merged recently :D |
| 19:06.54 | traeak | my mele was shipped with a usb/ttl adapter |
| 19:07.03 | The-Compiler | so I have no idea what else I could do before getting the adapter |
| 19:07.37 | traeak | but i thought i remembered the mac id being sort of random |
| 19:07.47 | traeak | i have an asus rt-16n with tomato on it |
| 19:07.51 | The-Compiler | well that wouldn't matter |
| 19:08.15 | The-Compiler | it just doesn't seem to get an IP at all, and I have no idea how I could see what's going on |
| 19:10.10 | The-Compiler | what's even worse is I'd really be glad if I had it on Friday, and the shops which would get me a cable very fast want like $35/28 EUR for it |
| 19:10.17 | traeak | holy crap |
| 19:10.30 | traeak | the lastone i got was from eay for less than 2US shipped. |
| 19:10.40 | traeak | or less than 4usd, can't remmeber but stupid cheap |
| 19:12.04 | The-Compiler | well these are the FTDI cable which are 16 GBP (20 EUR / $25) at FTDI's shop |
| 19:12.05 | traeak | i hope i'm wrong but i think you need the usb/ttl adapter to pass the macid to uboot. probably worth a new search |
| 19:12.37 | traeak | i mean to set it up so it passes the mac id |
| 19:12.42 | traeak | as i said i could be dead wrong :-p |
| 19:12.44 | The-Compiler | heh I think you can just set it in the script.bin or uEnv.txt or so |
| 19:12.48 | traeak | yes |
| 19:12.58 | traeak | if you do that then you should be able to boot |
| 19:13.13 | The-Compiler | so you mean it does not boot if I don't do that? o.O |
| 19:13.17 | traeak | fbcon would just about kill the need for the usb/ttl adapter |
| 19:13.32 | traeak | hehe i mean boot up so you can get into it :-p |
| 19:13.47 | RaYmAn | traeak: depending on where it fails ;) |
| 19:13.50 | The-Compiler | yeah, but if I don't do anything regarding MAC... |
| 19:13.51 | traeak | your problem is you don't know if your card is even set up properly |
| 19:13.53 | rm | The-Compiler, if you connect mouse with a LED (e.g. a simple optical mouse), can you see it turn-on/ flash after you power on the device? |
| 19:14.08 | traeak | card as in flash |
| 19:14.25 | The-Compiler | If I don't touch the MAC at all, it should just be random but still work, shouldn't it? |
| 19:14.25 | rm | if you connect a keyboard, do you see NumLock/ScrolLock/CapsLock blink/react? |
| 19:14.29 | traeak | how many different flash cards have you tried? |
| 19:14.43 | The-Compiler | traeak: two, and one of them worked in my Pandaboard before |
| 19:15.16 | The-Compiler | rm: not sure and too lazy to try as I'm in bed now :P (but the stock android still boots when I take out the SD card) |
| 19:16.00 | traeak | The-Compiler: i think rm is round about asking questions to see if your flash card is working/set up properly |
| 19:16.29 | The-Compiler | hmhm... the flashcard itself and the socket work, in stock android I see the FAT32 partition |
| 19:16.43 | rm | I think you just have something like this: http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.hardware.netbook.arm/4203 |
| 19:17.08 | rm | so relax and wait for the USB TTL to arrive |
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| 19:18.52 | The-Compiler | ewww, that would suck though |
| 19:19.27 | traeak | that or you didn't do the right dance for setting up the boot partition and dd'ing the mbr |
| 19:19.43 | traeak | or you just direct dd'd another image which you really shouldn't do |
| 19:19.55 | The-Compiler | I tried two scripts and a direct image |
| 19:20.05 | The-Compiler | everything on two cards |
| 19:20.20 | traeak | if the image is bigger than your card by even a tiny amount you're hosed (i found that out) |
| 19:20.22 | rm | there are pre-made whole-card "dd" images for the Mele |
| 19:20.27 | The-Compiler | but again: do I _have_ to mess with the MAC adress to have a working Ethernet? |
| 19:20.34 | The-Compiler | rm: as said, I have tried both that and scripts |
| 19:20.37 | rm | if THOSE don't boot |
| 19:20.59 | rm | then clearly something's wrong |
| 19:21.19 | traeak | be systematic on rebuilding your images...or just wait :-p |
| 19:21.36 | The-Compiler | my question about the MAC is still open? |
| 19:21.39 | The-Compiler | -? |
| 19:21.57 | traeak | i don't htink that's an issue, my past experience was that a random macid is generated |
| 19:22.22 | The-Compiler | well, afk for a bit, taking a shower |
| 19:22.44 | mnemoc | if you don't set your MAC in script.bin or pass mac_addr= with the bootloader you'll have a random one |
| 19:23.55 | The-Compiler | okay, so at least I should see something in the router logs |
| 19:24.10 | traeak | oh |
| 19:24.14 | traeak | here's another issue |
| 19:24.22 | traeak | if you got impatient during first boot |
| 19:24.35 | traeak | no, sorry |
| 19:24.47 | traeak | you should get a dhcp response regardless |
| 19:25.03 | The-Compiler | I'm impatient with waiting for my TLL to USB adapter |
| 19:25.06 | The-Compiler | :P |
| 19:25.09 | mnemoc | assuming your OS is setup to use dhcp |
| 19:25.12 | traeak | find another hobby for the time being :-p |
| 19:25.30 | The-Compiler | but I really hope I don't have that issue, having to do some hack with the internal memory would suck |
| 19:25.42 | rm | mouse should light up about 5-10 seconds after power-on; also keyboard should flash all 3 LEDs very early too |
| 19:25.43 | mnemoc | and no one (udev) decided to rename your eth0 to eth1 because the mac changes |
| 19:26.15 | rm | none of those? it didn't make it to the kernel and likely just stuck in u-boot or u-boot SPL |
| 19:26.22 | The-Compiler | the only keyboard I have around is a wireless one without LEDs I believe :D |
| 19:26.23 | traeak | yup, i'm with rm on that |
| 19:26.37 | traeak | The-Compiler: you arne't set up for hardware hacking |
| 19:26.45 | The-Compiler | true, true :D |
| 19:27.05 | The-Compiler | well it worked fine with my Pandaboard, but that's made for hacking ;) |
| 19:27.34 | rm | at least you have actual UART pins on the mele |
| 19:27.51 | rm | only small soldering pads on the MK802 |
| 19:27.55 | rm | not even through-holes |
| 19:28.36 | mnemoc | The-Compiler: the pandaboard is a PR tool created for hacking by TI itself, of course it has better support than any board using chinese SoCs |
| 19:29.01 | traeak | slight hiccup with the GPU of course |
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| 19:44.50 | The-Compiler | rm: hehe :D I'm an electronical engineer though and I'm fine with soldering 0402 SMD parts, so that wouldn't have bothered me ;) |
| 20:15.52 | The-Compiler | regarding <traeak> The-Compiler: you arne't set up for hardware hacking |
| 20:16.25 | The-Compiler | what would you recommend me to get? TTL to USB adapter of course, I'll also get a keyboard so I can leave my wireless one at the PC... what else comes in handy? |
| 20:21.07 | mnemoc | The-Compiler: important to mention is that the uart and usb/otg headers are 2mm, not 0.1" |
| 20:22.33 | mnemoc | so you will probably need special jumper wires |
| 20:22.50 | The-Compiler | eek. Well I'll find something I guess. |
| 20:24.02 | The-Compiler | and if not I'll just solder wires to the pins as I plan to get a miniUSB-port in there anyways |
| 20:24.44 | WarheadsSE | The-Compiler: they should fit JST |
| 20:26.29 | The-Compiler | I'm really curious why it isn't booting... |
| 20:31.19 | WarheadsSE | well the console will tell you that, for sure |
| 20:35.01 | mnemoc | my console doesn't want to tell me why my ubuntu card decided to not start any getty or ssh :'( while I can run getty manually without problems using init=/bin/bash |
| 20:35.30 | WarheadsSE | Hmm, but was there no spl/uboot output? |
| 20:35.55 | mnemoc | I get all the output, even userspace stuff on the serial console |
| 20:36.05 | Turl | mnemoc: upstart update? |
| 20:36.19 | mnemoc | not manual at least |
| 20:36.59 | mnemoc | Turl: but I assume it's upcrap related |
| 20:37.10 | WarheadsSE | poof |
| 20:38.11 | mnemoc | but no hint in /dev/console or /var/log/* what's wrong :< |
| 20:38.15 | hno | The-Compiler, the header in Mele is a standard 2.0mm 5 pin PH header, and you are likely to find a matching cable in USB mices and the like, only needing to move some pins. |
| 20:38.34 | hno | mnemoc, likely the getty recipe isn't active. |
| 20:38.42 | Turl | mnemoc: dmesg? |
| 20:38.53 | mnemoc | Turl: no prompt -> no dmesg |
| 20:39.11 | hno | dmesg only tells kernel issues mostly. |
| 20:39.26 | hno | upstart not starting getty is not a kernel issue. |
| 20:40.20 | The-Compiler | hno: or as said I'll just solder to it :P |
| 20:40.51 | mnemoc | do you know how to re-activate them manually? (i.e. vi/ln/touch) |
| 20:41.35 | mnemoc | openssh is not been started either |
| 20:41.45 | mnemoc | pretty annoying |
| 20:43.01 | mnemoc | almost as annoying as fbcon at 720p on a 7" monitor :) |
| 20:44.03 | mnemoc | but that only when using init=/bin/bash ... because the getty on tty1 is not started by this upstart thing :< .... /me misses /etc/rc.d/... |
| 20:44.22 | The-Compiler | that's why I use Arch. :P </war> |
| 20:44.22 | mnemoc | (and /etc/inittab) |
| 20:47.21 | Turl | mnemoc: check /etc/init/tty1.conf |
| 20:47.32 | Turl | and ttyX.conf with X=int |
| 20:47.33 | mnemoc | they all look fine |
| 20:47.44 | mnemoc | ttyX? ... uhm |
| 20:48.00 | mnemoc | ah, sorry... tty$X :p |
| 20:48.14 | mnemoc | yes, they all look fine |
| 20:48.15 | Turl | :P |
| 20:48.26 | Turl | this is mine http://paste.debian.net/186412/ |
| 20:48.38 | Turl | do you have ttys enabled in kernel btw? |
| 20:50.30 | mnemoc | yes. bypassing upstart I can run all the gettys and ssh manually without any trouble |
| 20:51.08 | mnemoc | and my tty1.conf is identical to that |
| 20:51.11 | hno | isn't there an emergency shell option in upstart? |
| 20:51.23 | mnemoc | googles for that |
| 20:52.26 | mnemoc | hno: "emergency shell" seems to be a fancy name for tty[1-6] |
| 20:52.49 | hno | Found https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=455763 which punts to systemd.. |
| 20:53.38 | hno | mnemoc, it's not. the emergency shell drops you in a shell at the console, while init is still running. |
| 20:53.39 | mnemoc | I think I'll just re-create the card with a fresh install |
| 20:54.18 | hno | for debugging init related issues. |
| 20:57.08 | mnemoc | that would be nice... init=/bin/bash isn't every useful to troubleshoot this |
| 20:59.15 | rzk | cool, http://www.rosalab.com/ is porting webos to A10 for their products. |
| 20:59.37 | mnemoc | when ssh gave me connection refused I thought /dev/pts wasn't been mounted... but /dev/tty* come from devtmpfs and it's premounted |
| 21:00.10 | rzk | cant really get why they do that, but seems like they know how and where to sell it. |
| 21:00.30 | mnemoc | rzk: using the gpl violating kernel/bootloader or public ones? |
| 21:00.50 | rzk | dont know, this is just from words of a guy who today been at their office |
| 21:01.14 | rzk | they offered him a job for A10 support or something |
| 21:01.30 | mnemoc | nice |
| 21:01.32 | rzk | that guy is Xlab by the way, he was here sometime ago |
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