| 00:00.24 | focus_it | human interaction |
| 00:01.30 | focus_it | IoT is gloriously excessive tech - even your toaster will smile at you when you walk in the room |
| 00:03.27 | focus_it | goodnight folks :-) |
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| 01:38.49 | Gumboot | I had a parking lot ticket machine smile at me a couple of weeks ago, but it was a very sinister expression. I don't think it meant it when it said "drive safely". |
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| 07:36.05 | niftylettuce_ | anyone here doing a kickstarter/indiegogo project or know someone that is? |
| 07:47.08 | Mehhh | Yeh, here's the trick. Find a semi-supported cheap device on aliexpress. Rebrand it and sell it as fully open source. Profit. |
| 07:48.26 | orly_owl | lol |
| 07:52.19 | oliv3r | call it, the pinguintab |
| 07:52.39 | oliv3r | niftylettuce_: drachensun and hipboi did/aredoing indiegogo pprojects |
| 07:53.07 | niftylettuce_ | oliv3r: awesome, do u know which one or have more info? |
| 07:53.18 | niftylettuce_ | oliv3r: im somewhat new here, experimenting with A10 stuff |
| 07:53.40 | niftylettuce_ | oliv3r: i launched this site tonight https://teelaunch.com .. i'd love to help them out :) |
| 07:56.00 | Mehhh | eInk shirts with HDMI = profit |
| 08:03.18 | niftylettuce_ | Mehhh: eInk? |
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| 08:26.38 | Mehhh | niftylettuce_ http://www.fastcompany.com/1751530/e-ink-cloth-raises-terrible-prospect-t-shirt-ads |
| 08:27.08 | niftylettuce_ | Mehhh: wow. |
| 08:27.26 | Mehhh | Yeh, please start that kickstarter |
| 08:31.37 | oliv3r | eInk, especially color eInk is VERY nice |
| 08:35.07 | Mehhh | Yes, and you could sell new designs |
| 08:35.15 | Mehhh | or, give them for free with ads |
| 08:35.21 | Mehhh | offer the option |
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| 09:12.49 | oliv3r | I think one of the possible downsides of lkcl's new possible revolutionary SoC is open64 vs gcc thing imo |
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| 11:23.15 | lundman | got my pocket-tv today, kickstarter from july |
| 11:29.04 | mnemoc | took it apart already? :) |
| 11:29.44 | lundman | nah I know whats in it |
| 11:30.02 | Mehhh | I like the plastic vents |
| 11:30.04 | Mehhh | slick |
| 11:30.13 | lundman | 1ghz arm cortex a9, gpu-mali-400mp |
| 11:30.18 | lundman | 1gb ram |
| 11:30.26 | lundman | but the same problem as all of them |
| 11:31.26 | mnemoc | been US-based you have better chances to demand GPL compliance |
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| 11:32.16 | lundman | I'm in tokyo? |
| 11:32.22 | lundman | they are in UA |
| 11:32.33 | mnemoc | ok |
| 11:32.45 | lundman | I'll just give it to someone |
| 11:32.47 | mnemoc | forgot the .jp details |
| 11:32.48 | mnemoc | forgot the .jp detail |
| 11:33.17 | RaYmAn | the most important thing is that they are US based, isn't it? :) |
| 11:33.50 | mnemoc | to use kickstarter they must |
| 11:34.01 | RaYmAn | what SoC is it? |
| 11:35.20 | mnemoc | RK3066 ? |
| 11:35.26 | mnemoc | (just guessing) |
| 11:36.20 | lundman | UA= United Arab |
| 11:36.46 | mnemoc | ow |
| 11:37.37 | RaYmAn | I wonder if it's possible to go after kickstarter for facilitating copyright/license breach, essentially forcing them to pass it along |
| 11:37.57 | RaYmAn | though, I assume you've contacted them about source? |
| 11:38.50 | lundman | no, dont care. hardware cant do what I want |
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| 11:43.25 | rm | UA is Ukraine |
| 11:43.37 | rm | emirates are UAE |
| 11:43.55 | lundman | you assume we were using ISO country codes |
| 11:44.11 | rm | I assume you were caring about being understood by people |
| 11:44.14 | lundman | I was using lundman's made up codes |
| 11:44.27 | rm | ^^ |
| 11:44.34 | lundman | so understanding is unlikely sideeffect |
| 11:45.03 | RaYmAn | lundman: so no idea about which SoC? :) |
| 11:45.14 | lundman | RK something |
| 11:45.18 | RaYmAn | 'k |
| 11:49.00 | mnemoc | RK3066 is the "common" dual a9 + mali SoC in cheap hdmi dongles |
| 11:49.51 | mnemoc | but it's 1.6GHz, not 1.... unless they downclocked it because of the heat |
| 11:52.04 | slapin | is RK3066 open enough now? |
| 11:52.58 | slapin | rehi, all! |
| 11:53.45 | lundman | it shouldnt be considered |
| 11:54.04 | mnemoc | iirc the source dump was fake |
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| 11:55.07 | mnemoc | i mean, incomplete |
| 12:12.18 | focus_well | mnemoc: still illegal |
| 12:13.28 | mnemoc | sure |
| 12:14.11 | focus_well | I don't mean to do them harm, but is there any way they can be 'forced' to comply? |
| 12:14.42 | libv | focus_well: it's amazing how many android devices are GPL violators |
| 12:14.54 | mnemoc | even big brands |
| 12:14.56 | libv | sueing them all does not work apparently, especially on the chinese |
| 12:15.12 | focus_well | fsf has no resources to go after all of them |
| 12:15.37 | mnemoc | it should be ARM itself |
| 12:15.56 | mnemoc | forcing their licensees to honor the licenses of the software they use |
| 12:16.09 | focus_well | CN has some 2 million patents - and they demand respect - so they should go enforce gpl by paying these companies a visit |
| 12:16.38 | focus_well | I am certain if CN government moved, they will comply quickly |
| 12:16.55 | focus_well | Its in their own interest to gpl the software, more factories can make more products and more money |
| 12:17.53 | mnemoc | only if you get the GPL bins directly from the SoC manufacturer you can actually try to do something |
| 12:18.14 | mnemoc | if not the amount of indirections make it impossible |
| 12:19.15 | mnemoc | the "best" you can get is to destroy an small reseller or get the product removed from the shelfs of a retailer. which imo is not good for anyone |
| 12:19.23 | focus_well | CN gov has resources to go after all indirections - blanket smack them all in one day. :-) |
| 12:19.45 | focus_well | Selling gpl to CN gov is key |
| 12:20.48 | mnemoc | still believes it's ARM's fault |
| 12:21.08 | focus_well | The more factories that comply the more quickly more factories can spring up to make peripherals and new kit based on gpl'd software and its more revenue for CN gov |
| 12:22.24 | focus_well | I understand CN gov is not doing too well with their electronics export because of global downturn - all the more reason for them to go enforce GPL and get info shared to make new products people want and make more money all around instead of allowing production to stagnate because no one has access to GPL'd code |
| 12:24.05 | libv | focus_well: preacher, meet choir. |
| 12:24.14 | focus_well | :-) |
| 12:24.20 | mnemoc | focus_well: request an appointment with your local chinese consul ;-) |
| 12:26.10 | focus_well | mnemoc: hard work - its a sprawling empire, need empire builder like Stallman to go talk to them |
| 12:27.40 | focus_well | Lets face it Stallman built their electronics empire. They should listen. |
| 12:28.43 | libv | falls asleep |
| 12:31.39 | Mehhh | Just go after telcos that cannot afford the bad PR and fight |
| 12:31.47 | Mehhh | For instance, Clear WiMax |
| 12:32.37 | Mehhh | and carriers that carry rebranded (as their own) devices from such companies |
| 12:35.22 | focus_well | The NDA culture originates from west and its the CN gov and CN factories that suffer for it. If CN gov passes a law that says NDA does not apply to GPL'd products, the NDA trolls are fscked! |
| 12:37.26 | mnemoc | time to request an audience with the chinese parlament! |
| 12:37.57 | libv | the full chinese parliament |
| 12:38.38 | libv | maybe we should have a march |
| 12:39.18 | libv | we could be like a hundred or so unwashed geeks, with a badly designed protest-tshirt, and a balloon, and then walk up to the chinese parliament, and then release the balloon! |
| 12:39.26 | libv | that'll teach them |
| 12:39.39 | Mehhh | focus, they'll change when Africa or South America replaces them ;) |
| 12:39.45 | Mehhh | or robots >.> |
| 12:40.34 | mnemoc | get the 100 unwashed geeks in the house of ARM directives :p |
| 12:40.41 | Mehhh | Although, maybe it will work: http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-12-06/foxconn-plans-american-expansion-as-clients-seek-made-in-u-dot-s-dot-a-dot |
| 12:45.40 | andoma | libv: :) |
| 13:03.07 | mnemoc | wow... http://www.focalprice.com/CE0237W/AMPE_A10_101_Android_411_Dual_Core_RK3066_16GHz_16GB_Tablet_PC.html#.UMnRdmI1FVs .... an MK3066 tablet called *A10* |
| 13:04.32 | RaYmAn | lol |
| 13:04.35 | libv | :) |
| 13:04.36 | mnemoc | chinese marketing is amazing |
| 13:04.38 | RaYmAn | they really really like to confuse people |
| 13:04.42 | mnemoc | yes |
| 13:04.53 | libv | mnemoc: they've come full circle! |
| 13:05.13 | RaYmAn | I also saw a device that said "REtina!!!", then it was like 800x600 or so |
| 13:05.20 | RaYmAn | well, 800x480 |
| 13:05.26 | libv | RaYmAn: they were replying to tina? |
| 13:05.36 | RaYmAn | exactly! |
| 13:06.16 | RaYmAn | Apparently, I type faster than i can let go of shift :P |
| 13:06.50 | libv | i am still wondering whether i should pick up one of these: http://www.ebay.de/itm/230896471094 |
| 13:06.59 | libv | boxchip a10 wm8850+! |
| 13:07.28 | libv | "original p4you brand quality!" |
| 13:08.15 | mnemoc | o.o |
| 13:08.54 | libv | ah, sorry... wrong |
| 13:09.02 | libv | via boxchip a10 wm8850+ |
| 13:10.28 | mnemoc | *g* |
| 13:10.33 | oliv3r | maybe not confuse, rather they have NO, but really NO idea what they are trying to sell? so just put some stuff in there |
| 13:11.23 | mnemoc | Hanlon's razor |
| 13:11.30 | mnemoc | Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. |
| 13:11.36 | Mehhh | Better off doing the lapdock mod oliv3r ;) |
| 13:15.21 | focus_well | libv: no need for the great unwashed to present their case to CN gov. Just the bare facts of how much more money they would and how many more factories will get opened make if NDA doesn't apply to GPL rule is enforced through rights already given to them when they joined the WTO. |
| 13:16.27 | libv | focus_well: i was remembering an event i took part in, close to 10 years |
| 13:16.33 | libv | +ago |
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| 13:41.16 | libv | people and their number fetishes. |
| 13:43.41 | orly_owl | brb updating to latest version |
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| 17:31.04 | slapin | Marex: ping |
| 17:32.45 | slapin | Marex: do you know of any tool to convert 8-bit png to some palette? I need to output Linux logo on wicked cogged display for performance to pretend I did something with imx23 board collecting dust here |
| 17:39.28 | Marex | slapin: which board ? |
| 17:39.36 | Marex | slapin: try imagemagick |
| 18:24.24 | slapin | Marex: board is custom, imagemagick doesn't work for palette - it has its own unconfigurable idea of color ordering |
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| 19:36.15 | servili007 | Anyone able to give me a hand with some mk802ii work? |
| 19:41.20 | hno | servili007, like what? |
| 19:41.58 | servili007 | hno, Mostly kernel related issues, getting the OTG port working |
| 19:47.51 | servili007 | and possibly answering some questions about quirks I've come across just getting it booting at times |
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| 19:49.46 | hno | servili007, there have been some patches lately in that area. |
| 19:49.59 | hno | OTG port |
| 19:50.00 | servili007 | hno, under the 3.4 branch? |
| 19:50.08 | hno | not sure |
| 19:50.28 | servili007 | because I'm working on from the current 3.0, and trying 3.4 now, and 3.0 wasn't functional |
| 19:50.37 | servili007 | (for OTG, still got it to boot) |
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| 20:41.12 | servili007 | hno, those patches were in the 3.4 branch, and do work for me, thank you. |
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| 23:51.19 | Marex | slapin_: remember pfalcon's teachings -- fix it and send patch |
| 23:51.31 | Marex | slapin_: also remember my teaching -- get to it, you damn lazy bastard ;-D |