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| 03:26.22 | libv | ZaEarl: you will not regret visiting FOSDEM, not that anyone ever did so far ;) |
| 03:26.43 | bsdfox_ | who is working on xbmc? |
| 03:58.07 | Turl | bsdfox_: empatzero and rella I think |
| 03:59.10 | Jonathan_Eyre1 | When compiling for u-boot, it comlains that there is no cc1. http://linux-sunxi.org/FirstSteps |
| 04:00.06 | Turl | do you have arm-linux-gnueabihf-* toolchain in path? |
| 04:00.33 | Jonathan_Eyre1 | Yes, but cc1 is not in the folder. |
| 04:01.10 | Turl | see http://linux-sunxi.org/FirstSteps#The_toolchain |
| 04:02.52 | Turl | and make sure you typed CROSS_COMPILE=... correctly, I typoed it once and took me a while to notice the mistake |
| 04:06.52 | Jonathan_Eyre1 | ... You mean the part where it says that I should "One option is to get a linaro released toolchain. Ignore most of the files there. Take the gcc-linaro-arm-linux-gnueabihf-*_linux.tar.bz2 file and untar it." |
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| 04:08.29 | Jonathan_Eyre1 | I did that, and the folder did not contain anyhting that was Something,something,something_cc1 |
| 04:08.54 | Jonathan_Eyre1 | I see _gcc and g++... |
| 04:09.43 | Jonathan_Eyre1 | hmm, could it be that I moved the contents of the tar to a custon bin folder, instead of referencing it with the * in the file? maybe... |
| 04:19.55 | Jonathan_Eyre1 | arm-linux-gnueabihf-gcc: error trying to exec 'cc1': execvp: No such file or directory |
| 04:20.28 | Jonathan_Eyre1 | It is very obviously seeing the arm-linux-gnueabihf-gcc executable, because that is the guy complaining that there is no cc1. |
| 04:20.38 | Jonathan_Eyre1 | I think I win something. |
| 04:22.31 | Jonathan_Eyre1 | I see a cc1 in /usr/lib/gcc/i686-linux-gnu/4.6/ After adding that folder the the environment path, I get the following: |
| 04:22.50 | Jonathan_Eyre1 | cc1: error: bad value (armv5) for -march= switch |
| 04:23.00 | Jonathan_Eyre1 | cc1: error: unrecognized command line option ‘-mthumb’ |
| 04:23.12 | Jonathan_Eyre1 | And others, but it's painful to paste it all in. |
| 04:23.42 | Jonathan_Eyre1 | Is there a toolchain that has a correct version of cc1? |
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| 04:42.22 | Jonathan_Eyre | cc1: error: bad value (cortex-a9) for -mtune= switch |
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| 05:31.02 | Jonathan_Eyre | Turl: It looks like the linaro toolchain is incomplete. I ended up using apt-get to install arm-linux-gnueabi. |
| 05:31.39 | Jonathan_Eyre | It does have a version of cc1 that has the correct parameters for arm compiling. |
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| 06:47.49 | aholler_ | Jonathan_Eyre: you must have another problem, the tarball from linaro contains a cc1 |
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| 07:45.38 | Xlab | Hi all. I have a question about LiveSuit image repacking. I need to pack (boot.img, system.img, userdata.img), but there's only BOOT_00000000000 and SYSTEM_000000000.fex are being unpacked from the original image (for boot.img and system.img accordingly). How do I handle userdata.img in that case? Any tip will be appreciated :) |
| 07:46.50 | Xlab | DISKFS_000000000 seems to be a raw string |
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| 09:16.51 | torindel | Xlab: last partition is always empty, and takes all remaining space |
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| 11:57.12 | RaYmAn | yay, my gk802 is finally out of customs thingy..Should be able to pick it up around...wednesday next week or something, lol |
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| 12:44.14 | Xlab | >Xlab: last partition is always empty, and takes all remaining space |
| 12:44.14 | Xlab | So that is |
| 12:44.14 | Xlab | [download5] |
| 12:44.14 | Xlab | part_name = UDISK |
| 12:44.15 | Xlab | pkt_name = DISKFS_000000000 |
| 12:44.15 | Xlab | encrypt = 0 |
| 12:44.24 | Xlab | ? |
| 12:45.05 | Xlab | I'm not too much familiar with that part of the A10 hacking :/ |
| 12:46.24 | Xlab | What is the main strategy to write to that partition, consider using imgrepacker.exe ? |
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| 13:03.20 | rz2k | Xlab: |
| 13:03.22 | rz2k | no one knows |
| 13:03.35 | rz2k | all that area is written by atleast 3 different companies |
| 13:03.56 | rz2k | and I honestly dont know how all that even works together |
| 13:04.27 | Xlab | Lol. Well, I'll play with numbers and .cfg's. |
| 13:05.04 | Xlab | As for now I'm using repacker + .zip for CWM to copy all data separately O_o |
| 13:05.26 | Xlab | I mean to initialize /data |
| 13:13.14 | mnemoc | Xlab: try ithamar's packing tools https://github.com/Ithamar/awutils |
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| 13:21.15 | Xlab | Are they complete enough? |
| 13:21.49 | Xlab | I skimmed history of this IRC chan and he states that they're in early development |
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| 13:27.37 | mnemoc | Xlab: afaik the packaging tools work fine. the livesuit replacement is in early dev. |
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| 13:45.11 | rm | mk802 is pretty awesome with regard to power over USB |
| 13:45.41 | rm | to one port I have plugged in an USB hub with a NIC, a sound card, a PS/2 adapter for keyboard+mouse, and also separately an USB mouse |
| 13:46.15 | rm | in the other port, there's an USB DisplayLink VGA adapter |
| 13:46.18 | rm | and it all works |
| 13:46.32 | rm | the USB hub is unpowered |
| 13:46.56 | rm | the only problem is, it's a bit of a wire mess |
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| 13:47.33 | rm | I wish it just had 4-6 USB ports on one side, not two, with one being on the side via this awkward OTG converter |
| 13:48.58 | slapin | rm: which mk802? mine is hot as iron even without anything connected |
| 13:50.57 | rm | I have both the first version with 512MB, and some later one with 1GB |
| 13:51.10 | rm | the above is with the 1GB model |
| 13:51.17 | br- | rm: what happens when it hits 100% cpu? |
| 13:51.21 | rm | but they both run pretty cool |
| 13:51.31 | rm | perhaps due to 2 reasons: |
| 13:51.47 | rm | 1) http://linux-sunxi.org/Cpufreq applied |
| 13:52.11 | rm | 2) I am not using Mali at all (nothing connected to HDMI), it's not initialized |
| 13:52.43 | rm | and yeah, I remember the 512MB one was pretty hot when driving a DVI display and running stock Android |
| 13:53.00 | rm | br-, nothing much, both are stable |
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| 13:54.14 | slapin | rm: mine 512MB is stable with Linux, too, unlike Android, but melts plastic bags |
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| 13:54.56 | slapin | rm: which cpu frequency do you use with 512MB version? |
| 13:55.26 | slapin | 1GB with PMU is far cooler, but gets hot eventually, btw |
| 13:55.40 | slapin | one without PMU behaves like 512MB version |
| 13:57.34 | rm | 408...1008 currently |
| 13:57.52 | rm | 408 MHz:85.42%, |
| 13:58.09 | rm | 300 MHz:9.42%, |
| 13:58.19 | rm | 1.01 GHz:5.07% |
| 13:58.30 | rm | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:59.35 | slapin | rm: interesting, and what is difference with stock android? |
| 14:02.28 | rm | what do you mean |
| 14:02.33 | rm | I run Debian on both, not Android |
| 14:03.05 | slapin | rm: is stock performance governor be ok? |
| 14:03.09 | rm | I only ran Android for like 30 minutes, I remember it getting hot, that's all :) |
| 14:03.29 | rm | slapin, the performance governor will set the frequency to the max, and leave it there |
| 14:03.35 | rm | you need the "ondemand" one |
| 14:03.36 | slapin | rm: do you disable android features in kernel? |
| 14:03.45 | rm | yes |
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| 14:04.05 | rm | are those "features" in the first place? that's debatable :D |
| 14:04.25 | rm | more like various crutches and limitations |
| 14:04.35 | RaYmAn | considering a good deal fo them has been assimilated into mainline it's certainly features |
| 14:04.38 | rm | ("paranoid networking" comes to mind) |
| 14:04.42 | RaYmAn | but I know, you're just having fun trolling :P |
| 14:05.03 | slapin | rm: have you tried playing video with Debian? |
| 14:05.42 | rm | RaYmAn, last time I heard, e.g. "wakelocks" did not rate too highly with the "real" kernel developers either |
| 14:05.48 | rm | slapin, no |
| 14:06.01 | slapin | rm: I've gone crazy trying to distinguish what's is going on in one of Ubuntu images for mk802, when network was availabe magically only for root... |
| 14:06.05 | rm | like I said I am not using the built in graphics |
| 14:06.23 | slapin | rm: what are you using the devices for? |
| 14:06.37 | rm | one mk802 is a server/router, and the other uses an USB DisplayLink video device |
| 14:07.02 | rm | should try playing video over that... but since it uses driver only a bit more advanced than fbdev, and works over USB, don't have too much hope |
| 14:07.33 | slapin | rm: what is this DisplayLink thing for? why not internal graphics? |
| 14:08.06 | RaYmAn | rm: that's more issues with the implementation chosen rather than the idea itself |
| 14:08.09 | RaYmAn | afaik |
| 14:08.11 | slapin | I've played video once over USB video card, somewhat success, somewhat... it looks like video, though... |
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| 14:08.49 | rm | slapin, 1) until recently it couldn't do 1680x1050 over HDMI-to-DVI, that supposedly should work now, but I didn't try |
| 14:08.57 | rm | 2) no DPMS support -- that's a showstopper |
| 14:10.05 | slapin | rm: DPMS will work if you set wicked frequency values IIRC |
| 14:10.07 | br- | rm, is this displaylink or builtin you're referring to? |
| 14:10.20 | slapin | rm: it is pure software issue anyway. |
| 14:10.32 | rm | br-, built in |
| 14:12.35 | slapin | yes, just disable both frequencies and it will go to dpms off, this can be done in software and nothing prevents you from that |
| 14:12.50 | rm | this needs to be done in the driver |
| 14:13.05 | rm | the userspace software just pulls its ropes |
| 14:13.07 | rm | or tries to |
| 14:13.20 | rm | "xset dpms force off" just blanks the screen currently |
| 14:13.26 | rm | with the monitor backlight still on |
| 14:13.44 | slapin | rm: so the driver needs fixing |
| 14:13.53 | rm | that's awesome insight right there :p |
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| 14:13.57 | slapin | rm: I think it is quite trivial to do |
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| 14:18.17 | slapin | damn, my hdmi tv doesn't support dpms |
| 14:18.48 | slapin | but it shows funny screensaver :) never thought it have it |
| 14:19.17 | slapin | lots of flying samsungs |
| 14:20.29 | slapin | icocheting from screen borders |
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| 15:56.14 | SPG | 03aexl 05master f4c134d 06rhombus 03allwinner_a10/orders/aexl.txt * 14http://git.hands.com/?p=rhombus.git;a=commitdiff;h=f4c134d |
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| 16:06.13 | hramrach | is the axp20 driver important when not using battery? |
| 16:06.13 | hramrach | or can I disable it? |
| 16:06.13 | WarheadsSE | on which device |
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| 16:07.20 | ZaEarl | hramrach, even on ac power, you want the lower power usage to keep the heat down |
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| 16:13.42 | mnemoc | the axp20 is critical. the classic mk802 is an example of how hot an A10 can get without variable voltage |
| 16:16.25 | hramrach | I am running on cubieaboard |
| 16:17.04 | fragmint | I saw my first WM8650 netbook yesterday in the wild |
| 16:17.05 | hramrach | I don't really mind the driveer that much but it creates an evedev device which I want to rid of |
| 16:17.12 | fragmint | it was so cute |
| 16:18.11 | mnemoc | hramrach: A10's cpufreq relies in the AXP. so if you disable it you'll be running at fixed speed all time |
| 16:19.38 | WarheadsSE | fragmint: yeah, how shitty was it |
| 16:20.04 | hramrach | it would be equivalent to cpufreq performance governor then which is supposed to work too |
| 16:20.24 | fragmint | nowhere near as bad as I thought it would be |
| 16:20.36 | fragmint | actually quite usable |
| 16:21.02 | hramrach | 256MB ram |
| 16:21.12 | hramrach | that's like rPI |
| 16:21.17 | fragmint | although I didn't realize how small a 7" netboo would be... you have to keep in mind its 1" bigger than a Note2 |
| 16:21.44 | hramrach | the first netbooks by Asus were 7" |
| 16:21.59 | hramrach | then they made them bigger so they are usable |
| 16:22.21 | fragmint | if you've used one of the first generation tablets with a real pooey processor you know what to expect |
| 16:22.45 | fragmint | but the screen was better than some of the bottom of the barrell ones I've seen and it felt a lot more responsive due to not having a horrible touchscreen that barely worked |
| 16:23.30 | hramrach | seems minimal usable size for device with keyboard is 10" unless you have really small fingers |
| 16:23.38 | fragmint | I didn't realize they have an SD slot, normal USB port, Ethernet |
| 16:24.32 | fragmint | wireless in the darn thing was next to useless... very poor antenna |
| 16:24.41 | hramrach | and 800x480 is just too small for reading and too small to display normal dialogs |
| 16:24.56 | fragmint | would make a nice portable terminal |
| 16:25.16 | fragmint | same size/res as most ereaders so you could use it to read/hammer out a document |
| 16:25.35 | hramrach | I guess that normal dialogs requiring huge screens is a bug but go bug all the clickety sfotware authors to make their junk usable :s |
| 16:26.13 | hramrach | 800x480 is maybe fine for documents you can re-wrap to fit the screen |
| 16:26.20 | hramrach | not always dealing with such |
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| 16:27.09 | fragmint | is it worth the $100 a lot of places want? no. but if you find one <$50 I wouldn't say its horrible for the price |
| 16:27.15 | hramrach | for terminal it's nice but somewhat expensive unless you expect to need a terminal a lot |
| 16:28.13 | hramrach | any idea about battery operating time? |
| 16:29.20 | hramrach | that's one thing in which crappy ARM netbooks could beat crappy x86 netbooks |
| 16:29.59 | fragmint | no clue |
| 16:30.26 | hramrach | it says 1.5hr here http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Lowest-price-10-1-inch-WM-8650-WM8650-mini-netbook/599277512.html |
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| 16:39.14 | hramrach | and the thing does not have a meta key and wraps [] next to spacebar :s |
| 16:41.57 | hramrach | well, maybe if they sell a lot they make new revision or clones that are more featureful |
| 16:42.19 | hramrach | but looks to me like the way tablet+keyboard dock is more workable |
| 16:43.02 | hramrach | extra expnse due to touchscreen but larger volume due to the same device working as tablet *and* netbook |
| 17:05.49 | slapin | is there any nameless netbooks on exynos or something? wm8650 is not decent anough... |
| 17:06.46 | traeak | slapin: exynos 5 is probably too new |
| 17:07.43 | rm | slapin, there are noname netbooks on the A10 |
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| 17:10.25 | fragmint | I'm so conflicted about allwinner |
| 17:15.49 | fragmint | I think the a13 is the sweet spot for those things... actually lets it get the bottom of the bin market |
| 17:16.11 | Turl | there's a chromebook with exynos |
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| 17:16.22 | Turl | but it's not exactly "no-name" |
| 17:19.16 | traeak | but apparently pretty good with a developer switch |
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| 17:23.21 | rm | Turl, noname netbooks have an important benefit of being offered at free shipping from China :) |
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| 17:24.53 | Turl | rm: I can sell you colored glasses with free shipping from china, that doesn't make it anything worth getting :P |
| 17:24.57 | traeak | heh, website for those? i guess aliexpress? |
| 17:25.29 | Turl | rm: if the quality and performance are really subpar, the fact that it has free shipping is pretty irrelevant :p |
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| 17:28.01 | slapin | rm: where? |
| 17:28.24 | slapin | chromebook is n/a here |
| 17:28.33 | slapin | a10 is fine I hope |
| 17:29.10 | slapin | as I have tegra one which I'm satisfied with (toshiba ac100) I think a10 one can't be worse |
| 17:31.18 | Turl | tegra is dual core isn't it? |
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| 17:31.57 | traeak | tegra2 is dual, tegra3 is single/quad |
| 17:32.00 | Turl | and cortex a9 iirc |
| 17:32.13 | traeak | tegra2 has no neon unit |
| 17:32.32 | Turl | yeah that's the downside |
| 17:33.46 | ZaEarl | the bc133 netbook is decent http://www.aliexpress.com/item/DHL-Free-Shipping-BC133-Android-4-0-Netbook-with-13-3-inch-Screen-All-Winner-A10/720390157.html |
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| 17:38.25 | Turl | ZaEarl: their 'free shipping' cost as much as the tablet :/ |
| 17:39.08 | Turl | 146$ for UPS and 225$ for DHL |
| 17:42.53 | rm | yeah |
| 17:42.57 | rm | some bizzare crap there |
| 17:43.25 | rm | maybe if you contact them to ask for CN/HK post... |
| 17:43.48 | rm | a lot of sellers have removed those options during this (worldwide) New Year period |
| 17:44.10 | rm | but expect any reaction only after the (chinese) New Year, I guess |
| 17:44.47 | rm | slapin, search Aliexpress for "allwinner netbook" |
| 17:44.52 | rm | there were some 10" 1024x600 models |
| 17:44.57 | WarheadsSE | Turl traeak updating the image for the a10 |
| 17:45.00 | rm | but recently I can't find the one I saw |
| 17:45.15 | rm | that had 1GB of RAM and went for ~$115 free shipping |
| 17:45.27 | rm | and also some are being CPU-replaced with VIA's newer SoC |
| 17:45.31 | rm | 8750 or whatever |
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| 17:45.58 | Turl | WarheadsSE: :) |
| 17:47.46 | WarheadsSE | I blame olimex :P |
| 17:49.11 | rm | and I'm afraid the AC100 is a much better product |
| 17:49.23 | rm | in the build quality and overall look and feel |
| 17:49.50 | Turl | rm: if you choose usa or spain it has free UPS/DHL |
| 17:49.53 | traeak | WarheadsSE: coolio, big time |
| 17:49.57 | Turl | maybe it's just misconfiguration |
| 17:49.58 | fragmint | wm8980 just launched... dual 1.2 w/ 2 core mali400 |
| 17:54.39 | WarheadsSE | "woo" |
| 17:57.25 | slapin | rm: thanks! |
| 17:58.28 | slapin | btw when is Chinese New Year? |
| 17:59.28 | fragmint | I believe chinese new year is defined as the time when you actually pull the trigger and order something from china |
| 18:04.01 | WarheadsSE | lol |
| 18:04.55 | fragmint | seriously... I ordered an O-Scope 3 months ago from china and still haven't received it. =( |
| 18:08.34 | rm | http://www.aliexpress.com/item/EMS-Ukraine-Free-Shipping-DHL-Italy-Free-Shipping-BC133-Android-4-0-Netbook-with-13-3/706234172.html |
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| 18:13.45 | rm | same seller, actually |
| 18:13.52 | rm | just Aliexpress knobs configured differently |
| 18:14.17 | rm | so it shows up to me as $208 (vs $176), but with actual free shipping |
| 18:14.19 | Turl | rm: and it's like 50$ more expensive? |
| 18:14.23 | Turl | yeah |
| 18:14.35 | Turl | maybe if you ask on the other they'll set free shipping for you |
| 18:14.45 | Turl | this one seems to be white |
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| 19:00.17 | TeleFragMint | amg amg amg |
| 19:00.25 | TeleFragMint | my microhdmi adapter finally came in for my lapdock! |
| 19:00.53 | buZz | w0000 |
| 19:01.04 | buZz | what are you docking on your lapdock? |
| 19:02.09 | buZz | TeleFragMint? |
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| 19:12.58 | hramrach | do these chinese netbooks actually fulfill the OLPC promise now? |
| 19:15.35 | hramrach | hehehehehe |
| 19:15.49 | hramrach | plugging in a mouse crashes the X server |
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| 19:23.41 | TeleFragMint | buZz, sorry, UG802 |
| 19:23.54 | TeleFragMint | but of course the cable I made for it is 1" too short. =/ |
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| 19:35.50 | buZz | TeleFragMint: meh |
| 19:35.55 | buZz | TeleFragMint: still nice project! |
| 19:36.10 | buZz | TeleFragMint: i have this http://nurdspace.nl/Lapdock_Laptop |
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| 19:49.56 | hramrach | hmm. maybe it would be nice project to find a workable laptop keyboard and display |
| 19:50.41 | hramrach | and make a 3D model of case that you cpuld print out and stuff the keyboard and display inside together with an ARM board |
| 19:51.34 | hramrach | probably not as nice case as Mototola's but you get to pick what keyboard and display you use |
| 19:52.39 | hramrach | and you could use LVDS interface on the board saving on components etc |
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| 19:53.33 | buZz | hramrach: sure, awesome |
| 19:53.44 | buZz | but lapdock looks like some superexpensive ultrabook |
| 19:53.47 | buZz | so thin :D |
| 19:54.04 | hramrach | you can make it as thin as you want |
| 19:54.18 | buZz | not thinner than cubieboard ;) |
| 19:54.24 | hramrach | and with some nail polish or whatever it can look as slick if you insist ;-) |
| 19:54.30 | buZz | or whichever hardware you want to embed |
| 19:54.49 | hramrach | I am sure cubieboard would fit inside of that thing |
| 19:55.06 | buZz | cubieboard is over 1.5cm high |
| 19:55.18 | buZz | so it will not fit in a case that is <5mm high |
| 19:55.19 | buZz | ;) |
| 19:55.35 | hramrach | that does not look < 5mm to me |
| 19:56.02 | buZz | grabs lapdock and caliper |
| 19:56.03 | hramrach | it's rather thick at the speakers |
| 19:56.20 | hramrach | at least the model shown here |
| 19:56.23 | hramrach | http://www.slashgear.com/motorola-lapdock-100-review-31191859/ |
| 19:56.29 | buZz | hramrach: yes, 14mm there |
| 19:56.43 | buZz | 8mm around keyboard |
| 19:56.48 | hramrach | so about same |
| 19:56.55 | buZz | screen 7mm |
| 19:57.00 | hramrach | cubieboard is only thick at the ports |
| 19:57.02 | buZz | well, it will not fit a cubieboard :P |
| 19:57.10 | buZz | cubieboard has ports ALL OVER |
| 19:57.26 | hramrach | but making the cse 2mm thicker will not make it visibly different and it will fit |
| 19:57.41 | buZz | not really |
| 19:57.47 | buZz | you would have to remove the batteries inside ;) |
| 19:57.55 | buZz | and move them somewhere else |
| 19:58.05 | buZz | so you will need a lot more than just 2mm extra thickness |
| 19:58.09 | hramrach | if you made it for cubieboard they would belesewhere to start with |
| 19:58.27 | buZz | grabbing some old P3 laptop, gutting it and stuffing a cubieboard inside would be a lot easier, i think |
| 19:58.45 | hramrach | that too |
| 19:59.17 | hramrach | but having a case design that everyone can replicate is way cooler |
| 19:59.27 | buZz | i agree :D |
| 19:59.40 | hramrach | plus the display quality of old p3 laptops tends to be lame |
| 19:59.44 | buZz | wants to make a dockable case for cubieboard to just plug on top of lapdock's docking connector |
| 19:59.58 | buZz | yeah lapdock has a sw33t display, 1366x768 11.1" |
| 20:00.46 | hramrach | I mean the modern displays have somewhat better brightness/contrast than what used to be on p3 laptops |
| 20:00.55 | hramrach | even most of the low-end ones |
| 20:01.42 | buZz | also true |
| 20:01.47 | hramrach | I am not soe excited about widescreens but keyboard is wide |
| 20:02.04 | buZz | what i like LEAST about lapdock keyboard, is the missing Insert key |
| 20:02.20 | hramrach | heh |
| 20:02.21 | hramrach | never use that |
| 20:02.48 | hramrach | but hey, that's why making your own case is cool |
| 20:02.58 | hramrach | you get to pick the keyboard |
| 20:04.03 | buZz | :D |
| 20:04.10 | hramrach | the lapdock is cool idea but unless there are 100 clones to pick from or you make your own it's gonna be useless |
| 20:04.11 | buZz | i use Insert to paste |
| 20:04.25 | buZz | lapdock is cool because its supercheap |
| 20:04.33 | buZz | between 50 and 100 euros |
| 20:04.57 | buZz | try getting that price for a usb keyboard, usb mouse, hdmi screen with speakers, usb battery, usb hub, in a sexy case |
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| 20:05.33 | hramrach | I use mice only for testing |
| 20:06.15 | fragmint | yaaay |
| 20:06.22 | fragmint | http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/1701/cam00042v.jpg |
| 20:07.09 | hramrach | yes, that's cool |
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| 20:07.31 | hramrach | but I guess I could not use the keyboard because it has FN in place of Meta |
| 20:08.12 | buZz | you can remap second Alt |
| 20:08.27 | buZz | there is also a second Ctrl which you could remap |
| 20:08.29 | buZz | and CapsLock |
| 20:08.34 | hramrach | maybe |
| 20:08.44 | buZz | what maybe? |
| 20:08.53 | hramrach | but definitely not nice |
| 20:09.24 | hramrach | maybe it could be mapped to something like the right ctrl |
| 20:09.41 | hramrach | or maybe better left |
| 20:10.07 | buZz | ah yeah |
| 20:11.21 | hramrach | the lame part is that unless you buy the Nokia phone to go with it you cannot put the board inside |
| 20:11.34 | hramrach | so if you carry it it gets very awkward |
| 20:11.46 | buZz | motorola phone ;) |
| 20:11.58 | buZz | i am hunting for the 3d model for the phone that docks on this |
| 20:12.10 | buZz | so i can print an adapter that sits totally flush without modding |
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| 20:13.11 | buZz | found one model, but the designer is asking 40 usd for it >_< |
| 20:13.13 | buZz | fucker |
| 20:13.34 | hramrach | maybe you can get fake phone for display cheaper |
| 20:13.50 | buZz | ah, right |
| 20:13.57 | buZz | i thought you ment to salvage the display ;) |
| 20:14.04 | buZz | i was thinking of getting a broken phone :P |
| 20:14.13 | buZz | and just solder wires to the connectors in that ;) |
| 20:14.33 | vinifm | Anyone know what the register for to configure PULL-UP, PULL-DOWN... from GPIO pins? |
| 20:15.21 | buZz | ah it has that? nice vinifm |
| 20:15.53 | vinifm | yes, i guess |
| 20:17.06 | hramrach | hmm, the phone just sticks out of the back |
| 20:17.08 | vinifm | A13 |
| 20:17.16 | hramrach | not really that nice |
| 20:17.29 | hramrach | but good enough to carry form one room to another |
| 20:17.54 | Turl | vinifm: maybe the mainline gpio/pinmux code has the answer for that |
| 20:17.55 | mnemoc | vinifm: it's all in the same PORTC register. |
| 20:18.09 | buZz | hramrach: did you see the wikipage i linked? |
| 20:18.18 | hramrach | saw some of those 'padphones' that you stick inside a tablet dock? |
| 20:18.24 | buZz | http://nurdspace.nl/Lapdock_Laptop |
| 20:18.26 | hramrach | guess not |
| 20:18.34 | buZz | it has a picture of a raspi docked |
| 20:18.47 | hramrach | oh, that's wikipage? |
| 20:18.51 | buZz | yes |
| 20:19.01 | buZz | the wiki of our hackerspace |
| 20:19.18 | hramrach | you mean that picture of an octopus? |
| 20:19.49 | buZz | hrhr |
| 20:20.04 | buZz | http://nurdspace.nl/File:Lapdock_raspi-testmount.JPG |
| 20:20.07 | buZz | that one i ment |
| 20:21.29 | hramrach | not so bad compared to the original sticking phone |
| 20:22.02 | buZz | well, i am meaning to make some printed blob of plastic, that encases the board + cables and fits the lapdock docking place |
| 20:22.13 | Turl | buZz: how much does a lapdock cost these days? |
| 20:22.28 | buZz | i bought this one for 80 euro incl customs surcharge |
| 20:22.37 | buZz | and incl shipping from US :) |
| 20:23.07 | WarheadsSE | Linux mele 3.0.57-1-ARCH |
| 20:23.18 | Turl | WarheadsSE: nice |
| 20:23.43 | hramrach | ugh, listed for $350 on Amazon |
| 20:23.49 | WarheadsSE | now I just have to move the image to systemd |
| 20:24.37 | buZz | i bought mine on ebay |
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| 20:25.16 | hramrach | the list used for $69 |
| 20:25.31 | buZz | mine was used aswell |
| 20:25.34 | Turl | http://www.ebay.com/itm/LAPDOCK-for-Droid-bionic-/221180201901?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item337f5e0bad |
| 20:25.36 | Turl | 20$ |
| 20:26.07 | WarheadsSE | for now |
| 20:26.47 | Turl | yeah, I forget ebay is mostly auctions >.< |
| 20:26.50 | mnemoc | and US-only |
| 20:26.56 | Turl | buy it now's go ~70 |
| 20:26.59 | hramrach | also it does not list which dock it is |
| 20:27.46 | hramrach | it looks the same but the important part is the docking connector which is not shown |
| 20:27.47 | buZz | Turl: you can filter on 'buy now' auctions |
| 20:27.48 | mnemoc | someone should make a lapdock with civilized connectors and good screen |
| 20:28.04 | hramrach | yeah. my saying ;-) |
| 20:28.04 | Turl | mnemoc: wasn't that one of lkcl's projects? |
| 20:28.40 | hramrach | where is that project? |
| 20:29.26 | mnemoc | Turl: nah, he just wanted to reuse one and plug an eoma68 card |
| 20:29.48 | mnemoc | just like everyone does with sticks, rpi, cubies, etc... |
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| 20:30.01 | Turl | mnemoc: :| |
| 20:30.55 | Turl | I wouldn't mind, say, a lapdock with two long cables and a box I can leave inside my laptop bag |
| 20:32.53 | vinifm | can i use PIO_REG_PULL(B, N, I) in user-space? |
| 20:33.18 | mnemoc | vinifm: using sunxi-tools' pio |
| 20:33.39 | vinifm | hm |
| 20:35.36 | mnemoc | even if it's a niche, as the hdmi stick market grows, a "lapdock" with full size female hdmi/usb and good screen doesn't need to be "dirty cheap" to be a good business |
| 20:36.12 | Turl | this gpio talk reminds me of something |
| 20:36.16 | Turl | mripard: ping |
| 20:36.17 | hramrach | isn't that called TV? |
| 20:36.54 | mnemoc | hramrach: TVs don't have battery, usb hub, keyboard, and are usually larger that 13" |
| 20:37.06 | hramrach | meh, there is lack of TVs smaller than 30" |
| 20:37.12 | buZz | Turl: i hate that exactly |
| 20:37.34 | buZz | lol |
| 20:37.38 | buZz | i HAVE that |
| 20:37.39 | buZz | :P |
| 20:37.43 | mnemoc | 7" screens are absurdly overpriced |
| 20:37.54 | mnemoc | 10-13" don't exist |
| 20:37.54 | hramrach | they are still screens |
| 20:38.07 | hramrach | yeah, 7" TVs |
| 20:38.14 | hramrach | but have no io |
| 20:38.32 | hramrach | so useless at any price |
| 20:39.23 | mnemoc | it should be pretty easy to make a good lapdock |
| 20:39.26 | buZz | even without a docking board, lapdock is a portable HDMI screen with its own battery |
| 20:39.55 | mnemoc | buZz: that shuts you down when you close the lid :< |
| 20:40.05 | buZz | hehe, easy to mod to not let that happen |
| 20:40.12 | hramrach | that's model specific |
| 20:40.33 | buZz | well mine at least, it needs GND on some pin on the HDMI connector to turn on |
| 20:40.46 | hramrach | let Chinese make some lapdock clones that actually work |
| 20:41.25 | mnemoc | chinese don't care about niche products |
| 20:41.47 | hramrach | are HDMI sticks mainstream? |
| 20:41.55 | buZz | yes |
| 20:42.03 | hramrach | I don't know anybody who usees them for anything but Linux development |
| 20:42.09 | buZz | i discovered my mom uses one :O |
| 20:42.12 | hramrach | ;-) |
| 20:42.23 | buZz | rockchip though :( |
| 20:42.41 | mnemoc | .cn manufacturers don't even do netbooks anymore.... they do tablets + usb keyboards |
| 20:43.03 | hramrach | it's better than netbook in any possible way you can think of |
| 20:43.05 | buZz | i dont understand why the 'market' stopped making netbooks |
| 20:43.10 | buZz | in favor of ultrabooks |
| 20:43.16 | buZz | that ARENT SELLING |
| 20:43.18 | buZz | its insane |
| 20:43.28 | hramrach | because netbooks are dead |
| 20:43.39 | buZz | how so? i still know a lot of happy netbook users |
| 20:43.56 | hramrach | but how many people would buy one *new*? |
| 20:43.57 | mnemoc | the exynos chromebook shows the oposite |
| 20:44.19 | hramrach | it's different from the previous netbooks |
| 20:44.25 | hramrach | and it's made by google |
| 20:44.29 | buZz | hramrach: i think many people that have one now are disappointed that they cant buy a new one |
| 20:44.37 | hramrach | like 2/3 their projects fail and they don't care |
| 20:45.20 | hramrach | yes but the netbooks do not break all at once. no new customers. replacements are not that big business |
| 20:45.52 | hramrach | and there are some netbooks still. jsut not that much choice anymore |
| 20:46.03 | mnemoc | so, who's in .cn and can make a kickstarter/indiegogo for a good generic lapdock? :) |
| 20:46.44 | hramrach | suggest it as an 'add mobility to your HDMI stick' accessory |
| 20:47.01 | hramrach | maybe some of the stick makers jumps on it |
| 20:47.15 | hramrach | most likely not because they do not speak English |
| 20:47.18 | mnemoc | even dell announced an stick |
| 20:47.32 | hramrach | then it's mainstream for sure ;-) |
| 20:47.40 | mnemoc | hramrach: that's why we need a western living in .cn :) |
| 20:48.47 | mnemoc | but at this hour they are sleeping :p |
| 20:49.45 | specing | The chinese ever sleep? |
| 20:49.50 | specing | :O |
| 20:50.08 | mnemoc | the westerns do :p |
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| 20:54.32 | hramrach | also the ultrabooks do sell |
| 20:55.15 | hramrach | they are one flavour of notebook and with like 3-4 flavours to choose from you get some tradeoffs |
| 20:57.01 | Turl | mnemoc: cubiebook :P |
| 20:57.37 | Turl | something like a lapdock with a fruitstand on the back |
| 20:57.52 | hramrach | I am not sure Tom is up to another project at this point but does not hurt asking ;-) |
| 20:58.16 | Turl | there's other .cn people on #cubieboard |
| 20:58.44 | Turl | maybe one of them wants to pick it up :) |
| 20:58.46 | Turl | bbl |
| 20:59.30 | buZz | NOT A FRUITSTAND |
| 20:59.35 | buZz | PLEASE, GOD, NOT A FRUITSTAND |
| 20:59.52 | hramrach | hehehehe |
| 21:00.01 | buZz | ah, it will not be succesfull \o/ |
| 21:00.09 | buZz | really man, 33 dollar for 3 pieces of acrylic |
| 21:00.14 | buZz | that should NOT get funding |
| 21:00.51 | hramrach | that's the thing with acrylic |
| 21:00.57 | hramrach | the stuff is almost free |
| 21:01.03 | buZz | yeah indeed |
| 21:01.13 | buZz | i really oppose the fruitstand for this matter |
| 21:01.25 | hramrach | but geting it in the right shape is hard. expensive machinery required |
| 21:01.38 | buZz | lasercutters are so cheap in use |
| 21:02.00 | buZz | soooon our local fablab will have a lasercutter |
| 21:02.00 | hramrach | I did not try to buy one |
| 21:02.05 | buZz | then -> lasercut all the things! |
| 21:02.28 | hramrach | but given that not every lab has one I guess they don't just grow on trees |
| 21:02.40 | buZz | hrhr |
| 21:02.48 | buZz | i had an offer to buy one from .cn |
| 21:02.55 | buZz | just 600 usd incl shipping to .nl |
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| 21:03.37 | hramrach | that's not that cheap |
| 21:04.07 | hramrach | how many fruitstands would you ahve to make to pay for the cutter and make them reasonable price? |
| 21:04.08 | buZz | its cheaper than what they cost in the UK |
| 21:04.11 | buZz | over 1000 euros |
| 21:04.15 | buZz | lol no idea |
| 21:04.23 | buZz | was that the motivation of the fruitstand? |
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| 21:05.16 | hramrach | the motivation as I read is to purchase the cutter for making the stands |
| 21:05.38 | buZz | right |
| 21:05.53 | buZz | does kickstarter require pledges to be paid, even if funding is not reached? |
| 21:06.04 | hramrach | I don't think so |
| 21:06.12 | hramrach | it just returns the money |
| 21:06.14 | buZz | ah, too bad for him :D |
| 21:09.30 | mnemoc | where is hansg?? :< |
| 21:11.53 | buZz | somewhere in .nl ;) i think |
| 21:12.12 | mnemoc | :) |
| 21:31.00 | vinifm | 1 more thing, i run ./pio in A13 or PC? |
| 21:33.30 | WarheadsSE | so whos is responsible for this? //github.com/ssvb/xf86-video-sunxifb |
| 21:33.42 | mnemoc | WarheadsSE: ssvb |
| 21:33.52 | WarheadsSE | ssvb: indeed. |
| 21:34.01 | mnemoc | vinifm: A13, with -m as arg. to use /dev/mem |
| 21:34.09 | WarheadsSE | might be able to package that.. |
| 21:34.15 | mnemoc | :) |
| 21:35.31 | vinifm | thanks, I was very confused, because fex2bin i run in PC... :) |
| 21:36.22 | mnemoc | pio can be run from the "PC" too, but using FEL dumps |
| 21:45.36 | WarheadsSE | mnemoc: what do you know of that xf86, is it essentially a replacement for the -mali's? |
| 21:57.27 | mnemoc | WarheadsSE: yes. but it still doesn't accelerate anything. it "only" works as fb driver and interfaces with the mali blob |
| 21:57.42 | WarheadsSE | okay |
| 21:57.49 | ssvb | WarheadsSE: I would say it's a rather experimental release right now, but I would like people to test it themselves and report bugs if something is wrong |
| 21:58.24 | WarheadsSE | I need to make a package because I know the moment people see oooh updated A10 .. they will be all "BUT WHUCH VODEO" |
| 21:58.47 | WarheadsSE | (intentionally misspelled) |
| 22:07.39 | WarheadsSE | ssvb: if you can ever get me a list of it's needs, I will try to package this up, mark it as testing :) |
| 22:08.18 | mnemoc | that will catch some attention :) |
| 22:08.24 | Turl | mnemoc: does it require that weird allwinner usb module on the pc? |
| 22:08.30 | Turl | (pio) |
| 22:09.08 | mnemoc | Turl: no. pio uses /dev/mem or a register dump |
| 22:09.26 | mnemoc | Turl: and fel uses libusb, no funky usb module |
| 22:10.07 | Turl | so I cannot toggle pins "live" from the pc with fel? |
| 22:10.21 | mnemoc | you do. but without a running OS |
| 22:11.03 | mnemoc | fel to dump the register, pio to "adjust" it, fel to write the reigster back |
| 22:11.41 | mnemoc | there is a gpio helper in sunxi-tools to easy to scripting of tests |
| 22:12.37 | ssvb | WarheadsSE: the same dependencies as http://linux-sunxi.org/Mali400 |
| 22:13.08 | ssvb | WarheadsSE: you can also have a look at https://github.com/ssvb/gentoo-overlay-sunxi-x11 |
| 22:13.25 | WarheadsSE | i'll just.. not |
| 22:14.05 | WarheadsSE | I can probably port these mostly directly. |
| 22:14.47 | WarheadsSE | stashes link |
| 22:16.08 | mnemoc | ssvb: http://linux-sunxi.org/Gentoo ? |
| 22:16.46 | ssvb | mnemoc: or this one http://linux-sunxi.org/BuildingOnGentoo ? |
| 22:17.15 | mnemoc | ssvb: BuildingOnFoo is about the host |
| 22:17.45 | mnemoc | ssvb: while Foo is about the target |
| 22:18.48 | mnemoc | BuildingOnFoo is basically what do you need on your Foo host to compile stuff |
| 22:19.01 | Turl | mnemoc: nice, got the green and blue leds lit :) |
| 22:19.09 | mnemoc | \o/ |
| 22:19.18 | mnemoc | Turl: send sunxi-boards patches :) |
| 22:19.28 | Turl | mnemoc: for what? |
| 22:19.35 | Turl | I used the gpio helper :P |
| 22:19.37 | mnemoc | board.fex |
| 22:19.39 | mnemoc | :< |
| 22:19.41 | mnemoc | ok |
| 22:19.50 | mnemoc | i thought you were using the leds driver |
| 22:20.01 | Turl | nope |
| 22:20.14 | Turl | I wanted to see if I could get gpio working on mainline |
| 22:20.29 | Turl | as far as I saw mripard's patches were sun5i-only |
| 22:20.31 | hramrach | the leds framework is junk |
| 22:20.55 | hramrach | it needs at the very least an aggregator (or) and invertor (not) |
| 22:21.02 | mnemoc | Turl: sun4i and sun5i have the same port controller |
| 22:21.12 | traeak | WarheadsSE: what's different witht the new arch kernel? |
| 22:21.23 | hramrach | and I wonder where that cpu led trigger went |
| 22:21.57 | WarheadsSE | traeak: it's up to date ;P |
| 22:22.03 | Turl | mnemoc: weren't the pin definitions and muxing different? |
| 22:22.23 | mnemoc | Turl: yes, but that is .dtsi stuff, not .c |
| 22:22.55 | Turl | mnemoc: what's this then? http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/linux-arm-kernel/2013-January/140365.html |
| 22:23.29 | mnemoc | Turl: ow. ok |
| 22:23.56 | Turl | http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/linux-arm-kernel/2013-January/139691.html |
| 22:23.56 | mnemoc | that will need to be replicate for the other SoCs |
| 22:24.19 | Turl | yes, that was my guess |
| 22:25.48 | mnemoc | don't know why mripard wants to be that specific about the pins instead of "in the holy device tree we trust" |
| 22:27.55 | Turl | the c code defines the various functions too |
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| 23:18.49 | Jonathan_Eyre | Does anyone know where to download the A10 SDK/BSP? |
| 23:24.31 | mnemoc | Jonathan_Eyre: look at http://service.i-onik.de/ |
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