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| 03:12.26 | xxiao | olimex stopped A10 boards? |
| 03:12.36 | xxiao | could not find it on the site anymore, am I missing sth? |
| 03:12.50 | jelly-home | old soc is old |
| 03:13.00 | xxiao | so it's true indeed? |
| 03:14.31 | xxiao | diff cubieboard olinuxino |
| 03:16.07 | xxiao | A10S-OLinuXino |
| 03:19.45 | xxiao | ok olimex is going towards to TI am3352, fighting with beaglebone |
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| 03:21.10 | ice_ | Anyone awake at this point? |
| 03:21.30 | ice_ | I came across this: |
| 03:21.33 | ice_ | http://www.sunsky-online.com/view/245877/GV-14+1080P+Full+HD+Android+2.3+TV+Box+with+WIFI+++RJ45+++HDMI+Interface++Support+SD+++MMC+Card++USB+Flash+Disk+and+Remote+Control.htm |
| 03:21.55 | ice_ | (What interests me is that the PCB must be extremly small) |
| 03:22.57 | ice_ | Googling the model "GV-14"+android returned this: |
| 03:22.59 | ice_ | http://www.aliexpress.com/item/GV-14-1080P-Full-HD-Android-2-3-TV-Box-with-WIFI-RJ45-HDMI-Interface/612079806.html |
| 03:25.49 | ice_ | Looks like the CPU is a VI6131 Cortex A9, 1.0GHz. |
| 03:26.01 | ice_ | So question is, would Linux run on that? |
| 03:26.29 | xxiao | what do you mean..android is linux already and it's running? |
| 03:29.15 | ice_ | Ok well how efficient the CPU would be to run debian, sshd, proftpd, apache and a small mysql? |
| 03:29.34 | ZaEarl__ | never heard of a vi6131, doubt anyone has kernel sources for it |
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| 03:29.57 | ice_ | Says Cortex A9. |
| 03:30.30 | Skrzyp | Hi! |
| 03:30.51 | Skrzyp | I'm messing up in my new A13-B tablet :) |
| 03:32.02 | ice_ | 46$ system with an ethernet port. |
| 03:32.50 | anunnaki | ice_, did you look into a mk802iii |
| 03:33.09 | ice_ | Yeah I did, no ethernet. |
| 03:33.28 | ice_ | I really have "room" constraints for my project. |
| 03:33.46 | anunnaki | has wifi and you can buy eth adaptor for 5$. |
| 03:34.37 | anunnaki | hackberry is 1.2 ghz i think |
| 03:35.28 | anunnaki | cubie has debian running on it |
| 03:35.58 | ice_ | I'm trying to get something like cubieboards straight from Shenzhen under 40$ a piece, in bulk. Need 200 pieces. But must have ethernet, I can't be arsed using USB to Ethernet adapters. |
| 03:37.13 | anunnaki | well cubie has ethernet... |
| 03:37.39 | anunnaki | 40 piece ill buy one :p |
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| 03:38.12 | anunnaki | open up a kiosk outside radio shack in the mall |
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| 03:42.38 | anunnaki | ice_, what are you trying to do with it |
| 03:43.32 | anunnaki | im thinking what i could do with that.. i wonder if i can use a remote like that to operate bluetooth and the ir itself |
| 03:46.06 | ice_ | I'm trying to build/get/acquire the smallest debian powered... seedboxes in the world... :p |
| 03:47.05 | ice_ | As long as they can be used with opensshd+rtorrent and can seed 5MB/s sustained 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year... |
| 03:48.14 | ice_ | Smaller PCB the better, as long as it can 1) run debian 2) has ethernet connectivity and 3) are under 40$ retail. |
| 03:48.24 | leming | if you don't have money restraints, there's the cubox |
| 03:48.30 | leming | nevermind :D |
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| 05:09.33 | anunnaki | under 40 would be raspberry pi |
| 05:10.51 | anunnaki | from what i heard its great for simple server stuff but slow, but who knows it might be decent speed |
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| 08:48.51 | ice_laptop | has anyone ever ran a bench comparaison of A10 vs RK3066? |
| 08:49.23 | ice_laptop | I suppose the RK3066 would win as it is dual core vs single core and clocked at 1.6GHz vs. 1.0GHz. |
| 08:49.40 | ice_laptop | But I'd like to see some actual raw numbers. |
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| 09:17.03 | oliv3r | is the RK3066 really 1.6GHz? or is it 800MHz x2? or 1GHz for the CPU and 600MHz for the GPU |
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| 09:24.46 | ice_ | ,IKIKKLKOJMMHYH |
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| 09:53.54 | w00tc0d3 | mehhh |
| 09:54.10 | w00tc0d3 | is cubieboard again in stock? |
| 09:54.37 | Turl | w00tc0d3: I don't think so, check again after CNY |
| 09:54.57 | w00tc0d3 | Turl: o_O I thought CNY was already ended |
| 09:56.36 | Turl | yeah but apparently they have a transport problem in china (too many people need to travel) and it takes an extra week or two for everyone to be back on their routine |
| 09:56.44 | Turl | (or so I heard on #cubieboard :P) |
| 09:57.21 | mnemoc | afaik people starts returning to work tomorrow (saturday) |
| 09:57.21 | w00tc0d3 | ah :P |
| 09:57.59 | mnemoc | but in the case of the cubieboard *manufacturing* of the next batch will start next week |
| 09:58.30 | mnemoc | from there to have stock there is a gap |
| 09:59.35 | w00tc0d3 | ah |
| 09:59.52 | w00tc0d3 | still can't decide; cubieboard or ODROID >:( |
| 10:00.10 | w00tc0d3 | it's for in a old laptop |
| 10:02.20 | Turl | well, they're completely different devices |
| 10:02.33 | w00tc0d3 | true |
| 10:02.43 | w00tc0d3 | I want to run Arch Linux on it :) |
| 10:02.50 | Turl | odroid is way more powerful compute wise |
| 10:03.12 | Turl | so if you want to do interactive stuff it may be better |
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| 10:06.10 | w00tc0d3 | Turl: I wanna run Arch Linux with Awesome WM, lightweight webkit browser, SSH connections to my boxes and Smuxi client (GTK), cubieboard should be good enough to do that, right? |
| 10:07.18 | mnemoc | yes |
| 10:07.36 | Turl | yeah I guess so |
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| 10:09.08 | w00tc0d3 | ah nice |
| 10:09.30 | w00tc0d3 | 2.5" HDD in it, a Maxim chip to control the battery and gogogo :) |
| 10:09.34 | Turl | hm smuxi, looks nice |
| 10:09.53 | Turl | w00tc0d3: do you know if it's gtk3? |
| 10:10.19 | w00tc0d3 | Turl: hehe ;P Quassel is hanging for me, Quassel is slow, has high latency. Nope, I don't know but it's perfectly fitting into my Gnome3 desktop |
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| 10:10.47 | Turl | I'm using pidgin currently |
| 10:11.06 | oliv3r | same |
| 10:11.11 | oliv3r | adequate for me :) |
| 10:11.19 | oliv3r | well pidgin/irssi |
| 10:11.35 | w00tc0d3 | I'm running Smuxi because I want LOGS :P |
| 10:11.44 | w00tc0d3 | and I've got a VPS so it doesn't really matter |
| 10:11.45 | Turl | yeah I have znc for that :) |
| 10:11.46 | oliv3r | what IRC client doesn't log |
| 10:11.56 | w00tc0d3 | oliv3r: I want logs when I'm offline :) |
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| 10:13.50 | Turl | hm smuxi requires mono :< |
| 10:14.28 | w00tc0d3 | Turl: meh, I ain't happy with that, too. But it's working fine, so I don't care :) |
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| 10:14.54 | oliv3r | screen + irrrsi :p |
| 10:15.03 | oliv3r | or a bnc + whatever client you want :) |
| 10:15.10 | w00tc0d3 | nah |
| 10:15.14 | w00tc0d3 | I hate bouncers |
| 10:15.48 | w00tc0d3 | and I used to use screen + irssi but I prefer a GUI |
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| 10:16.24 | oliv3r | i agree,,, but i'd rather slice my wrists then use mono :p |
| 10:16.30 | oliv3r | it's a disease that needs to die |
| 10:16.38 | Turl | znc <3 :p |
| 10:17.13 | mnemoc | gnome people is too comfortable with mono... it won't die as long as gnome doesn't |
| 10:17.23 | oliv3r | i have pidgin running in a VM that simply is always on and connected. I connect ot my VM via vnc so it always 'runs' even when i'm 'offline' (who is ever offline) |
| 10:17.28 | w00tc0d3 | oliv3r: I care about the experience, bot the background :) |
| 10:17.35 | w00tc0d3 | mnemoc: indeed. |
| 10:17.50 | oliv3r | what gnome project uses mono? I run gnome on both my laptop and desktop and neither have anything mono |
| 10:18.37 | Turl | mnemoc: the only mono thing on gnome these days is tomboy |
| 10:18.50 | Turl | and there's gnote which is tomboy compatible and in C(++?) |
| 10:20.13 | mnemoc | might be a myth then. but I hate gnome as much as I hate mono anyway |
| 10:20.38 | Turl | I <3 GNOME |
| 10:21.25 | mnemoc | how is 'vala' doing? |
| 10:21.37 | andoma | good question |
| 10:21.37 | slapin | mnemoc: vala is preprocessor |
| 10:21.42 | w00tc0d3 | I agree with Turl, only on lightweight small screen PCs I prefer Awesome |
| 10:22.01 | mnemoc | slapin: yes, but does people write apps in vala? |
| 10:22.21 | mnemoc | is it still alive? |
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| 10:23.15 | hramrach | ice_laptop: the eithernet port on A10 has stil problems under Linux |
| 10:23.41 | slapin | mnemoc: what is so wrong with gnome? is it any difference where to run terminal on? it is even better, because it hides itself properly and doesn't nag too much. |
| 10:24.33 | Turl | mnemoc: I believe many gnome apps use it on part of their code |
| 10:24.35 | hramrach | if you want 200 cubieboards maybe you could ask for special price and special build with some stuff you don't use not populated |
| 10:25.07 | mnemoc | that wemac issue is so frustrating. first everyone hated it's performance and begged for lundman's fixes to be merged. then everyone hated it because it was broken. it got fixed. everyone happy for some weeks. then everyone hates the current performance and wants to roll back to per-lundman_changes |
| 10:25.19 | slapin | mnemoc: dunno, I used it on one of the project, where I could not use GUI generator, but was sick of writing GUI by hand in C, as it requires you to write tons of code for simple things, and code generators suck |
| 10:25.37 | Turl | mnemoc: gnome boxes (virtual machine app) uses vala |
| 10:26.12 | w00tc0d3 | why does it matter if Mono is used. The EXPERIENCE is the MOST IMPORTANT |
| 10:26.40 | w00tc0d3 | I don't care if it's written in ASM/C/C++/Java ot whatever |
| 10:26.46 | w00tc0d3 | But it must work as I want |
| 10:26.54 | slapin | mnemoc: what is actually wrong with ethernet? |
| 10:27.01 | Turl | w00tc0d3: java is slow and ram hungry, and doesn't integrate nicely :p |
| 10:27.03 | andoma | writing GUI code in ASM would be awesome |
| 10:27.22 | w00tc0d3 | andoma: make a library for it :P |
| 10:27.38 | slapin | andoma: you just need CPU which can handle GUI operations as simple commands :) |
| 10:27.39 | andoma | yasm have pretty good templating i've been told |
| 10:27.43 | Turl | you can use any gui lib from asm |
| 10:27.45 | w00tc0d3 | Turl: true :P But if it's doing what I want, then it's good. |
| 10:27.47 | ice_laptop | hey turl mnemoc, what up? :-) |
| 10:27.48 | Turl | 'call' and the like :p |
| 10:27.56 | slapin | andoma: code generators suck |
| 10:28.00 | mnemoc | slapin: for some people it doesn't sync correctly (10HD instead of 100FD), and for some people performance seems to be crap even at 100FD |
| 10:28.16 | w00tc0d3 | anyways |
| 10:28.26 | w00tc0d3 | reverse engineering my SGS3 modem *sigh* |
| 10:28.32 | w00tc0d3 | atleast, I'm trying |
| 10:28.35 | hramrach | w00tc0d3: for me gnome fails in the work as I want part |
| 10:28.36 | andoma | slapin: agree, but i was more referring to yasm's macro support |
| 10:28.37 | slapin | mnemoc: duplex issues are phy issues IIRC, s can't be related to A10 MAC |
| 10:28.50 | w00tc0d3 | hramrach: why?.. |
| 10:29.02 | w00tc0d3 | at my school, they use fucking winblows. making me rage |
| 10:29.09 | w00tc0d3 | money wasters |
| 10:29.15 | hramrach | gnome3 is designed to eschew settings and customization |
| 10:29.19 | hramrach | like OS X |
| 10:29.25 | w00tc0d3 | true |
| 10:29.31 | slapin | mnemoc: and performance require low-level measuring and proper look for bottleneck(s) |
| 10:29.33 | w00tc0d3 | so... you sue DWM/Awesome? :P |
| 10:29.33 | hramrach | "we have perfect presets so you do not need a control panel' |
| 10:29.37 | w00tc0d3 | use* |
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| 10:29.55 | hramrach | I use XMonad atm |
| 10:29.59 | mnemoc | happy with xfce |
| 10:30.09 | hramrach | dwm is horrible for configuration |
| 10:30.16 | w00tc0d3 | not happy with GNOME but too lazy to migrate |
| 10:30.27 | w00tc0d3 | hramrach: it's C... I like C better than LUA |
| 10:30.43 | hramrach | gnome is C also |
| 10:30.49 | hramrach | dwn is configured in C |
| 10:30.54 | w00tc0d3 | yeah |
| 10:30.58 | w00tc0d3 | I meant that ;) |
| 10:30.59 | hramrach | gnome is configured in brainfuck |
| 10:32.03 | Turl | hramrach: gnome has a control panel |
| 10:32.06 | Turl | and a tweak tool |
| 10:32.28 | w00tc0d3 | Turl: but be honest; really good configurable it isn't, is it? |
| 10:32.28 | hramrach | ith has a control panel which has almost no settings |
| 10:32.40 | slapin | can't see any advantages in migration from GNOME, if there will be something more productive, then it'd be cool. GNOME can be configured to hide and shut up, I don't use any features, I just need terminal and a few apps running quick. |
| 10:33.05 | w00tc0d3 | xrvt is fucking here :( |
| 10:33.14 | w00tc0d3 | it does all kind of nasty shit |
| 10:33.22 | w00tc0d3 | like lagging |
| 10:33.27 | w00tc0d3 | I type a command |
| 10:33.29 | hramrach | and the gnome designer when asked why there is no option to not auto-hide a panel - I don't think many people will use that |
| 10:33.31 | w00tc0d3 | but it doesn't show up |
| 10:33.56 | hramrach | in other words "i configured it to auto-hide and if you don;t like it go away" |
| 10:34.42 | hramrach | oh, yeah, you can hide gnome |
| 10:34.52 | hramrach | but then you can as well not run it at all |
| 10:34.58 | hramrach | because it's totally useless |
| 10:35.26 | Turl | hramrach: panels, what's that? |
| 10:35.33 | Turl | ancient history? :p |
| 10:36.16 | slapin | hramrach: why? it allows running apps and not nags me too much with silly windows requiring immediate action |
| 10:36.46 | hramrach | dwm does that too |
| 10:37.12 | hramrach | at a so smaller fraction of code it is ridiculous |
| 10:37.32 | slapin | hramrach: I don't need any panels, I liked WindowMaker so much, but it is dead now |
| 10:38.17 | slapin | hramrach: I already have GNOME and see no reason for migrating to get the same amount of features without any bonuses. |
| 10:38.36 | w00tc0d3 | slapin: well, Awesome is better, if you're familiar with terminal |
| 10:39.16 | hramrach | windowmaker till works as poorly as ever |
| 10:40.01 | slapin | w00tc0d3: my work environment is a few webmails in browser, a few terminal tabs and damn monster eclipse, and I switch between them using only keyboard, I actually need mouse only in browser. |
| 10:41.26 | slapin | w00tc0d3: what will improve with transfer to Awesome? |
| 10:41.57 | w00tc0d3 | slapin: terminal mail client, webkit browser which I've bookmarked some where |
| 10:42.08 | w00tc0d3 | and maybe a terminal Java IDE |
| 10:42.12 | w00tc0d3 | well |
| 10:42.14 | w00tc0d3 | not IDE |
| 10:42.47 | w00tc0d3 | god |
| 10:43.01 | w00tc0d3 | those people @ #archlinux are irritating like *bleep* |
| 10:45.43 | w00tc0d3 | woop |
| 10:45.46 | slapin | needs gui/cli mail client with exchange attachment, as they transferred corporate mail system int shit with exchange, located in Riga data center (aboard from company itself), and prohibited use of old mail servers :( |
| 10:45.47 | w00tc0d3 | got urxvt working |
| 10:46.07 | w00tc0d3 | :( |
| 10:46.13 | andoma | slapin: what a punishment |
| 10:46.18 | w00tc0d3 | my school hasn't .edu , too |
| 10:46.38 | w00tc0d3 | well, not 'too; |
| 10:46.40 | w00tc0d3 | ' |
| 10:47.05 | slapin | the funniest thing there's no frontend sendmail.com or exim server in front of exchange, so it is in wild Internet... |
| 10:47.16 | w00tc0d3 | rofl |
| 10:47.19 | w00tc0d3 | even no VPN? |
| 10:47.55 | slapin | w00tc0d3: only from office 'outlook' to server |
| 10:48.11 | w00tc0d3 | wait |
| 10:48.17 | w00tc0d3 | i don't understand anymore |
| 10:48.48 | w00tc0d3 | you VPN from the office to the office? |
| 10:49.32 | oliv3r | heh, ubuntu doesn't even install tomboy anymore (or mono) and tomboy doesn't get pulled in by default on my desktop distro either. Gnome said goodbye to mono imo |
| 10:49.47 | w00tc0d3 | ok |
| 10:49.52 | w00tc0d3 | this is the end for gnome for me |
| 10:50.04 | slapin | w00tc0d3: VPN is for client connections to exchange 'connector' with its proprietary protocol, inmound/outbound exchage SMTP is directly connected to Internet |
| 10:50.23 | w00tc0d3 | ah |
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| 10:56.14 | slapin | w00tc0d3: the most silly thing is that it is first exchange installation I see which was made in this way, of hundreds. |
| 10:56.33 | slapin | w00tc0d3: I heva irrational mistrust in this configuration |
| 10:56.42 | slapin | s/heva/have/ |
| 10:57.57 | slapin | I need some client to connect to exchange, and it should not be evolution; I'd prever some web client, like zimbra or something |
| 10:58.09 | oliv3r | w00tc0d3: so you don't like windows, but don't care about propritary/nasty (mono) software? strange :) |
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| 11:04.43 | Turl | oliv3r: technically mono is free software |
| 11:04.46 | Turl | but whatever :p |
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| 11:05.37 | ice_laptop | In the case of an external SATA drive how do you figure what Voltage it needs to properly function and how do you power it? sure you can find a SATA-USB cable for data, but for the power? what would you use? |
| 11:08.55 | hramrach | 2.5" dive use 5V power, 3.5" driver use 12V power mostly |
| 11:09.07 | hramrach | both is standard on the SATA power connector |
| 11:09.53 | hramrach | there is optional 3.3V or something on the SATA power connector as well but it's not connected on most cables |
| 11:10.49 | ice_laptop | I'm gonna use 2.5" drives only. |
| 11:11.04 | hramrach | 2.5" drive can run off USB |
| 11:11.15 | hramrach | like 2 poerts for drive and 1 port for board |
| 11:11.44 | hramrach | so 4 port powered hub should do |
| 11:11.48 | ice_laptop | Even if the host system is on a 5V/2A AC charger itself? |
| 11:12.01 | hramrach | what system? |
| 11:12.12 | ice_laptop | http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=2013.1.0.108.WpHjMd&scm=1007.77.0.0&id=17057201975&pvid=4b8dd459-60bb-4da3-a00b-e30a795d7f82&ad_id=&am_id=&cm_id=&pm_id= |
| 11:12.26 | hramrach | eg. cubieboard is rated 5v/2a so it can power itself, two USB ports, and a SATA drive |
| 11:12.28 | ice_laptop | This, chinese stuff. :p |
| 11:13.15 | oliv3r | 3.5" drive uses 12V for the motor, 5 (3.3)v for everything else. So 'mostly' I think is inaccurate |
| 11:13.56 | hramrach | I can imagine that 3.5" SSD can do without 12V |
| 11:14.03 | oliv3r | as for the 2.5" drive, it all depends on the power supplied by your port and the power required by your drive. I can run a drive from a single port (data and power) on my thinkpad :) |
| 11:14.04 | hramrach | so some would not use it at all |
| 11:14.35 | oliv3r | most power hub's dont' limit the power draw, which is why they work so well, you get whatever your wallwart delivers |
| 11:15.03 | jelly | hramrach: where does one even get 3.5" SSDs |
| 11:15.48 | oliv3r | OCZ Vertex 2 250GB is 3.5" |
| 11:15.52 | hramrach | I saw a review of some so presumably you can oder them somewhere |
| 11:15.56 | oliv3r | 240 GB* |
| 11:16.54 | hramrach | ice_laptop: I can't read chinese and there is no picture of the inside and too little text for any specs anyway |
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| 11:17.37 | ice_laptop | Well the device has one USB Host port and a OTG port micro sized. |
| 11:17.41 | hramrach | but most SoCs would runn off single USB port so unless they packed lots of stuff in that case a 4 port hub would do |
| 11:18.14 | ice_laptop | Is either enough to power a 2.5" external drive? |
| 11:18.31 | oliv3r | depends on the walwart mostly |
| 11:18.39 | ice_laptop | walwart? |
| 11:18.46 | oliv3r | i would be supprised if they regulated it |
| 11:18.51 | oliv3r | power adapter :) |
| 11:18.55 | hramrach | I would not bet on powering the drive off the device |
| 11:19.07 | hramrach | it it had 2 normal ports then maybe |
| 11:19.25 | hramrach | but this configuration might not work |
| 11:20.03 | ice_laptop | All it says is Power DC: 5V/2A. |
| 11:20.30 | ice_laptop | So 5V to power the board *and* the external drive? |
| 11:20.38 | slapin | I'd drive HDD from 5V 2-3A external power supply as it consumes current on power on and spin-up |
| 11:20.42 | ice_laptop | I smell an epic fail. |
| 11:21.35 | ice_laptop | I have power outlet constraints as this will be hosted in a datacenter.. :-p |
| 11:22.03 | oliv3r | 5V/2A should be enough, might be tight, but enough depending on the drive |
| 11:22.14 | ice_laptop | 2 power outlets used per colo'ed is a no-no. |
| 11:22.36 | oliv3r | does your board supply sata powe reven? |
| 11:22.48 | ice_laptop | No idea. |
| 11:22.50 | oliv3r | let me rephrase that |
| 11:23.06 | oliv3r | you are going to use the drive purely via USB? |
| 11:23.12 | oliv3r | so data AND power? |
| 11:23.14 | ice_laptop | Yes. |
| 11:23.18 | oliv3r | or do you have one of those power sata drives |
| 11:23.32 | ice_laptop | What's a power sata drive? |
| 11:23.34 | oliv3r | so there's a USB -> sata converter chip in there (which also uses power) |
| 11:23.46 | oliv3r | Power (via USB) and sata in 1 plug |
| 11:24.10 | ice_laptop | And there's a LAN external USB adapter as well.. |
| 11:24.13 | hramrach | ice_laptop: you connect powered USB hub to outlet, and both the drive and the board to the USB ports |
| 11:24.26 | oliv3r | so how do you power the USB hub |
| 11:24.35 | oliv3r | via a 2nd walwart, which is a 'nono' |
| 11:24.44 | hramrach | if you think 2A is not enough you can always get 6port hub |
| 11:24.51 | ice_laptop | I never spoke about using a HUB... |
| 11:24.57 | ice_laptop | You guys did. |
| 11:25.09 | oliv3r | ice_laptop: there's only 1 way to find out if your adapter supplies enough jews |
| 11:25.11 | oliv3r | juice* |
| 11:25.15 | hramrach | because an USB hub is easiest way to get 5V power |
| 11:25.15 | oliv3r | try it :) |
| 11:25.29 | oliv3r | the adapter may read 5V/2A but it may not output that at all |
| 11:25.36 | oliv3r | and get stuck at 1500mA |
| 11:25.53 | ice_laptop | 1500mA = 1.5A? |
| 11:26.04 | oliv3r | if your 'pc' and your hdd run from the 5V/2A (stabily) it should be fine |
| 11:26.05 | oliv3r | yeah |
| 11:26.16 | oliv3r | whhat happens is, cheap adapters are made ... wel cheap |
| 11:26.19 | jelly | ice_laptop: yes! That's how metric units roll. |
| 11:26.31 | oliv3r | so if you draw to much current, the voltage will start to drop |
| 11:26.42 | ice_laptop | Never was a hardware freak, never liked the hardware part. |
| 11:26.42 | oliv3r | which is ok, but once it goes below 4.8V you start getting into trouble |
| 11:27.08 | ice_laptop | Ask me to do asm on x64, I'll do it with a monitor turned off... |
| 11:27.18 | ice_laptop | But hardware stuff makes me cringe. |
| 11:27.24 | oliv3r | Generally speaking (ignoring heat, as that is the main reason something is rated at certain values) |
| 11:27.38 | oliv3r | you can get a 5V/2A adapter, and 'try to squeese' 3A out of it |
| 11:28.19 | oliv3r | it may actually work, but in the real world it would a) either get to hot (and start to drop the voltage) or it'll have some protection circuit |
| 11:28.25 | hramrach | ice_laptop: there is not even a picture of the power adapter so you will need to power it over otg port or make a special cable anyway |
| 11:28.37 | ice_laptop | If I get one of those modular ones and set it to 5V/3A will the 3A "fry" the motherboard? |
| 11:28.44 | oliv3r | nope |
| 11:28.53 | oliv3r | you could use 100A and nothing would happen |
| 11:28.57 | oliv3r | it would run happily |
| 11:29.09 | oliv3r | your board would need a proper fuse though |
| 11:29.20 | oliv3r | if you don't have a fuse, what in theory could happen |
| 11:29.29 | ice_laptop | 2.5" drives require 5V you said, but is it 5V/1A or 5V/2A? |
| 11:29.38 | oliv3r | somewhere something shorts out, all of as udden, 100A starts to go through your board :) |
| 11:29.42 | hramrach | depends on the drive |
| 11:29.47 | oliv3r | ice_laptop: most probably run around 300mA |
| 11:29.48 | ice_laptop | grmbl |
| 11:30.05 | oliv3r | the harddrive label should tell you how much the power draw is |
| 11:30.10 | oliv3r | i've seen some do 700mA |
| 11:30.18 | oliv3r | so you need _atleast_ that |
| 11:30.30 | oliv3r | then your SoC will have some power requirement, probably about 1200mA (pure guess) |
| 11:30.41 | ice_laptop | If the board alone needs 5V and then the drives needs 5V as well.. isn't that 10V total or am I confused here? |
| 11:30.55 | hramrach | no, it's the same 5V |
| 11:31.05 | oliv3r | so you'll need 1500-1900mA in that case so, 2A should (IF it really does 2A and not some chinese crap) work |
| 11:31.25 | ice_laptop | It is most likely chinese crap work. |
| 11:31.44 | hramrach | it is most likely without any wallwart at all |
| 11:31.48 | oliv3r | which is why i'd go for 3A :p, if it would only output 2500mA you should still have enough power |
| 11:31.57 | ice_laptop | The whole shiet is made in china and I will even buy it myself tomorrow in.. china. |
| 11:32.10 | hramrach | heh |
| 11:32.36 | oliv3r | ice_laptop: if you do have issues (random crashes etc) your powerdraw may be to high |
| 11:33.02 | ice_laptop | I don't know and there might be some CPU related issues. |
| 11:33.23 | oliv3r | the best way to test is, is to see (with a multimeter) what the 'leftover' voltage is. it should read anywhere between 4.8 and 5.2V; but the closer to the 5V the better, where 5.1 is better then 4.9 |
| 11:33.51 | ice_laptop | I've read everywhere that A10 is meant to run at 1.0GHz but the product description says it runs at 1.5GHz. |
| 11:34.09 | ice_laptop | So if it's really at 1.5GHz... problems much? |
| 11:34.26 | ice_laptop | Or the description is bogus? |
| 11:34.35 | Turl | it's 1Ghz |
| 11:34.50 | ice_laptop | Can it even run at all at 1.5GHz? |
| 11:34.51 | Turl | if you try to clock it at 1.5 you get nothing, the chip hangs |
| 11:35.02 | Turl | anything over 1.1/1.2 hangs |
| 11:35.10 | ice_laptop | Then the description is plain garbage... |
| 11:35.14 | oliv3r | ice_laptop: chinese marketing at its best |
| 11:35.37 | oliv3r | 1.1GHz CPU + 350MHz GPU is 1.5GHz in chinese marketing |
| 11:35.43 | ice_laptop | ahahahaha |
| 11:35.48 | ice_laptop | dafuck. |
| 11:35.48 | oliv3r | I bet they call a dual core 1GHz bit, 2GHz |
| 11:35.49 | Turl | mali runs at 300-something, CPU at 1Ghz, let's round and claim it's 1.5Ghz |
| 11:35.59 | Turl | they call it 'many core' too |
| 11:36.09 | Turl | (which is technically correct, but misleading) |
| 11:36.13 | ice_laptop | ahaha "many core". |
| 11:36.20 | ice_laptop | You guys crack me up. |
| 11:36.47 | oliv3r | so, quad core 1GHz CPU, quad core GPU, guess what that is |
| 11:36.57 | ice_laptop | 4GHz! |
| 11:36.59 | oliv3r | 8 core 6GHz! |
| 11:37.23 | ice_laptop | ARM v31337. |
| 11:37.34 | Turl | http://www.allwinnertech.com/en/product/A10.html :) |
| 11:37.48 | Turl | "connected smart HD manycore SoC with high profile" |
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| 11:38.08 | ice_laptop | Note the 2160P part as well. |
| 11:38.09 | Turl | achievement unlocked: buzzword overload |
| 11:38.16 | Turl | yeah |
| 11:38.24 | Turl | that means 1080P 3D video |
| 11:38.37 | Turl | (because it's two 1080p layers :P) |
| 11:38.45 | oliv3r | i was wondering about that |
| 11:38.49 | ice_laptop | They said local only tho! |
| 11:40.46 | hramrach | ice_laptop: did you notice the mini-USB Ethernet port? |
| 11:40.53 | hramrach | that will be fun |
| 11:40.53 | ice_laptop | So back to my problem here, the 2.5" drive will require to use the USB "host" port for the data and the micro USB "OTG" port for the 5V power? |
| 11:41.12 | hramrach | ice_laptop: the otg port possibly does not provide power |
| 11:41.56 | hramrach | so to power the board and the drive you need extra wires, such as a powered USB hub that powers both the board and the drive |
| 11:42.12 | ice_laptop | hramrach, yeah I noticed and that's the whole reason why I'm going with this platform, well the 0.9cm height part and the cable provided with it in the bundle is supposed to have the ethernet chip embedded. |
| 11:42.48 | hramrach | so is that another USB port? |
| 11:42.51 | ice_laptop | I mean that's the only way I think ethernet would work. |
| 11:42.56 | ice_laptop | It seems so. |
| 11:43.12 | hramrach | it might be an odd connector, too |
| 11:43.13 | ice_laptop | But it will be used for ethernet. |
| 11:43.24 | Turl | what platform, A10? |
| 11:43.31 | ice_laptop | A10 yup. |
| 11:43.33 | Turl | why don't you get a device with sata and ethernet? :p |
| 11:43.34 | hramrach | it says A10 in the desctiption |
| 11:43.55 | hramrach | because this on is cheaper and thinner |
| 11:44.16 | ice_laptop | hramrach, I am even attempting to bargain it. |
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| 11:44.27 | ice_laptop | They want 380 yuan, my budget is 330 yuan. |
| 11:44.33 | ice_laptop | Negociations are gonna be hard. |
| 11:46.02 | ice_laptop | But I think it's doable if I can get debian running on this, ethernet stable and an external HDD on USB and this thing can push 5MB/s out... then I'm buying 200 pieces. |
| 11:46.23 | Turl | ice_laptop: 330 Chinese yuan = 52.94817 U.S. dollars |
| 11:46.23 | ice_laptop | So 330 yuan shouldn't be out of reach. |
| 11:46.39 | hramrach | with USB ethernet it is more doable than the A10 ethernet atm |
| 11:46.46 | Turl | can't you get a cubieboard for 280 yuan, with sata and ethernet? |
| 11:46.57 | ice_laptop | Not really. |
| 11:47.41 | ice_laptop | Cubie is geek friendly but my customer's aren't THAT geeky. |
| 11:48.01 | hramrach | they need not see it ;-) |
| 11:48.01 | ice_laptop | Plus I have a specific business model. Some sort of niche. |
| 11:48.08 | ice_laptop | Well. |
| 11:48.21 | Turl | weren't you gonna colocate them on a DC you said? |
| 11:48.27 | Turl | customers won't be seeing it |
| 11:48.35 | ice_laptop | To tell you everything, my business model is based around 7 eur/a month with a special twist. |
| 11:48.40 | hramrach | and you can get those 3d printed cases for demo pieces |
| 11:49.09 | ice_laptop | Basically right now when you rent a VPS from any ISP. |
| 11:49.16 | ice_laptop | Or you rent a colocated hosted server. |
| 11:49.26 | ice_laptop | You pay your monthly bill. |
| 11:49.36 | ice_laptop | You may pay for traffic bandwidth used. |
| 11:50.08 | ice_laptop | However when you cancel your service for whatever reason the customer gets nothing but a thank you and bye. |
| 11:50.18 | ice_laptop | With my business model. |
| 11:50.35 | ice_laptop | Once you've successfully done 12 months of uninterrupted hosting. |
| 11:50.35 | w00tc0d3 | hah |
| 11:50.38 | Turl | well, the customer doesn't expect anymore |
| 11:50.43 | Turl | anything more* |
| 11:50.45 | ice_laptop | And when you cancel. |
| 11:50.48 | w00tc0d3 | awesome + smuxi is pretty old looking UI, Turl |
| 11:50.50 | ice_laptop | I send you your server. |
| 11:50.52 | w00tc0d3 | but it's working :) |
| 11:51.25 | ice_laptop | Like paypal me 20$ if you'd like and I post you your server. |
| 11:52.01 | ice_laptop | So posting a device like that (without the external drive ofc) is far more friendly than sending a cubieboard. |
| 11:52.29 | Turl | so that leaves you with like 34USD 'earnings' |
| 11:52.46 | Turl | which you need to use to buy drives, that will be more expensive than that already :p |
| 11:52.55 | Turl | and pay colocation etc |
| 11:52.57 | ice_laptop | Well there are other things that I will not disclose here. |
| 11:53.04 | ice_laptop | But that's a new concept. |
| 11:53.38 | Turl | unmanaged servers I assume? |
| 11:53.49 | ice_laptop | It's a bit like when you buy a mobile/cell phone from your national operators, you sign up for 12, 24 months and you get the mobile for 1$. |
| 11:53.55 | ice_laptop | Unmanaged totally. |
| 11:54.47 | ice_laptop | You break it, I use the image on the NAND to erase/overwrite dd over the SDCARD, it reboots and it's like day 1. Your data remains untouched if it's on the external drive mounted as /home. |
| 11:54.51 | Turl | ice_laptop: yeah, but carrier makes you pay like 1.5 times the phone + their earnings |
| 11:55.07 | ice_laptop | Turl, that's because they're assholes. I'm not. |
| 11:55.18 | Turl | :) |
| 11:55.38 | ice_laptop | Anyways I really need to get this sh*! seriously moving. |
| 11:56.13 | ice_laptop | My constraints aren't bandwidth or whatever, it's rackable space. |
| 11:57.31 | mnemoc | maybe you should considering making your own custom boards |
| 11:58.02 | ice_laptop | I'm in contact with some people... they aren't doing anything unless you order 5k units. |
| 11:58.04 | mnemoc | consider* |
| 11:58.11 | Turl | tom might |
| 11:58.15 | Turl | something like cubieboard |
| 11:58.18 | ice_laptop | And you have to pay 50% first. |
| 11:58.19 | Turl | but without the pin headers |
| 11:58.25 | Turl | and in a case |
| 11:59.18 | mnemoc | the cubies are trivially stackable. but yesterday ice_laptop insisted he needed 2GB of ram per node |
| 11:59.36 | mnemoc | and that's out of scope for the cubie's A10 |
| 11:59.47 | ice_laptop | Cubieboard 2.0 with a quad core CPU and 2GB RAM would be nice yeah. But then I doubt it'd be at 50$ retail. |
| 12:00.01 | slapin | mnemoc: anybody tried soldering 2GB RAM to A10-based board? |
| 12:00.19 | Turl | oh, you're the same guy as yesterday? :p |
| 12:00.20 | mnemoc | ice_laptop: the A31 doesn't have ethernet or sata. it's a tablet centric soc |
| 12:01.09 | mnemoc | slapin: the canadian guy of the A10 SoM claimed to have 2GB working |
| 12:01.39 | ice_laptop | Well the thing is, I already have customers right now on x86 architectures with 2GB of RAM and trust me these idiots are leaving rtorrent opened with like 50 torrents with most of them being ISOs, BluRay rips etc, I supervise what they're doing via SNMP and I'm really surprised to see systems with less than 3MB of free RAM... not crashing/hanging every day. |
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| 12:02.21 | w00tc0d3 | uh |
| 12:02.25 | w00tc0d3 | what's this about? |
| 12:02.30 | w00tc0d3 | anyone's a summary? :P |
| 12:02.35 | w00tc0d3 | I've been AFK for a while |
| 12:02.44 | Turl | does rtorrent offer any benefit over transmission? |
| 12:02.51 | w00tc0d3 | afaik no |
| 12:02.54 | mnemoc | ice_laptop: try the armbrix people, they might be willing to make something custom for you using their exynos5 designs |
| 12:02.57 | ice_laptop | Memory footprint usage. |
| 12:03.04 | Turl | w00tc0d3: ice_laptop is looking into colocating A10 devices on a datacenter |
| 12:03.13 | Turl | ice_laptop: as in less? |
| 12:03.14 | w00tc0d3 | wouldn't do that. |
| 12:03.27 | ice_laptop | Exynos5 seems like an amazing CPU but expensive as hell. |
| 12:03.32 | w00tc0d3 | Turl: he can better waits until ARM Cortex procs are out for servers |
| 12:03.58 | Turl | mnemoc: he needs it on the 50$ and under price range |
| 12:04.11 | mnemoc | w00tc0d3: it seems he will be bankrupt before armv8 gets cheaps boards |
| 12:04.39 | w00tc0d3 | Turl: I've got a VPS for 5$/m 1GB RAM, 1Gbit/s burstable, openVZ |
| 12:04.41 | mnemoc | w00tc0d3: he needs cheaper nodes now, to remain relevant |
| 12:04.57 | w00tc0d3 | cheaper than $5? hah |
| 12:05.02 | Turl | my transmission is using 2.3% of my 512M ram |
| 12:05.02 | w00tc0d3 | good luck |
| 12:05.21 | Turl | and I have a lot of torrents, although paused :p |
| 12:05.52 | mnemoc | w00tc0d3: $50 once is cheaper than $5 per month ;-) |
| 12:06.12 | w00tc0d3 | mnemoc: but then you have to make contracts ;) |
| 12:06.25 | ice_laptop | Turl, that's the thing, they all use private trackers and must maintain huge ratios and therefore leave torrents opened for days if not weeks... |
| 12:06.35 | ice_laptop | It's not ever gonna fit with 1GB of RAM. |
| 12:06.51 | ice_laptop | Plus if you have the GPU using some of that RAM as well. |
| 12:07.21 | Turl | I seed everything to 1.5 |
| 12:07.34 | ice_laptop | errr.. they seed like to 250. |
| 12:07.40 | Turl | you can disable those allocations and keep all the 1GB |
| 12:08.12 | ice_laptop | Yay! let's do that and switch to busybox as shell while we're at it? |
| 12:08.14 | w00tc0d3 | ahhhhhhhh |
| 12:08.21 | w00tc0d3 | it's to host illegal content? |
| 12:08.26 | Turl | what kind of private tracker is that? :p |
| 12:08.26 | w00tc0d3 | that makes the shit different |
| 12:08.27 | ice_laptop | w00tc0d3, ... |
| 12:08.43 | ice_laptop | You guys don't want to know. |
| 12:08.49 | w00tc0d3 | why? |
| 12:08.51 | ice_laptop | Specially as this channel is logged. |
| 12:09.03 | ice_laptop | Now let's talk about ARM shall we. |
| 12:09.19 | jlj | oh my |
| 12:09.43 | w00tc0d3 | ice_laptop: buy a BIG x86 box (Core i7, 128GB RAM, SSD) and let 'em seed on it |
| 12:09.50 | w00tc0d3 | maybe with chroots |
| 12:09.59 | w00tc0d3 | or openvz instances |
| 12:10.14 | ice_laptop | We've done that before. |
| 12:10.20 | ice_laptop | VPS and well.. |
| 12:10.32 | w00tc0d3 | higher your price and higher your support level? |
| 12:10.39 | w00tc0d3 | seems reasonable |
| 12:10.56 | ice_laptop | load averages: 20.29, 18.88, 18.10 |
| 12:11.03 | ice_laptop | The master node is dying. |
| 12:11.03 | w00tc0d3 | oh\ |
| 12:12.01 | ice_laptop | I think you have no idea what it feels like to be pushing between 25 and 30 Gbits outbound of peer to peer content 24 hours a day. |
| 12:12.52 | w00tc0d3 | ice_laptop: what are the prices you're targetting? |
| 12:13.03 | ice_laptop | EUR or USD? |
| 12:13.21 | w00tc0d3 | i don't mind |
| 12:13.29 | w00tc0d3 | I live in Europe |
| 12:13.37 | w00tc0d3 | so EUR is better but USD is also good |
| 12:13.44 | ice_laptop | 7 USD/month+1 USD going to Paypal. |
| 12:14.04 | w00tc0d3 | ... |
| 12:14.07 | ice_laptop | That's why the servers can't really cost me more than 40$. |
| 12:14.09 | w00tc0d3 | and what are the limits? |
| 12:14.13 | ice_laptop | None? |
| 12:14.26 | w00tc0d3 | ... |
| 12:14.27 | ice_laptop | Well I'm lying a bit here. |
| 12:14.40 | w00tc0d3 | they can seed as much as they want for $7? |
| 12:14.48 | ice_laptop | Let's say none to local neighboring countries. |
| 12:14.52 | ice_laptop | That's correct. |
| 12:15.22 | w00tc0d3 | ice_laptop: are your concurrents as cheap? |
| 12:15.52 | w00tc0d3 | because I've heard different stories; big private trackers rent their dedi boxes @ OVH and seed as much as they can |
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| 12:15.58 | ice_laptop | Let's say that if you try to use your colo as a VPN bridge and you route Skype or VoIP thru it and that your peer is in Russia, best I'm gonna allocate you is roughly 2Mbits. |
| 12:16.00 | w00tc0d3 | and he's managing such a company |
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| 12:16.25 | ice_laptop | We're having the same "scum" userbase as OVH does. |
| 12:16.52 | w00tc0d3 | is it targetted at uploading warez? |
| 12:17.02 | oliv3r | ice_laptop: and you want to host these boxes with USB connected harddrives? *shivershiver* |
| 12:17.02 | ice_laptop | But if you do the same and your peer is say, in Japan.. I'm gonna allocate you 50Mbits. |
| 12:17.11 | w00tc0d3 | else prohibite the use of the box for uploading warez |
| 12:17.22 | w00tc0d3 | ice_laptop: why? o_O |
| 12:17.33 | oliv3r | ice_laptop: as the GPU, you can tune that to use as little ram as possible I would hope though |
| 12:18.02 | ice_laptop | If I prohibit that type of trafic/activity I instantly lose 75% of my user base. |
| 12:18.11 | mnemoc | i bet there are far worse things on those torrents than mere "warez" |
| 12:18.21 | ice_laptop | mnemoc, nope. |
| 12:18.31 | ice_laptop | We did a survey analysis the other day. |
| 12:18.45 | ice_laptop | You'd amazed to see how much people love TV shows. |
| 12:19.08 | oliv3r | and the A10 has some MAC issues, so pushing 100MBit constantly, may not work (yet) :p |
| 12:19.12 | ice_laptop | It's a different way of using their computers, handhelds, smartphones etc. |
| 12:19.42 | ice_laptop | People have lives, they miss a TV show, no problem, they know someone's gonna rip it, encode it and post it/seed it. |
| 12:20.10 | ice_laptop | Thai TV shows, Korean TV shows, etc. |
| 12:20.36 | oliv3r | ice_laptop: offtopic, if only things like 'netflix' or Much better alternatives (libre) would emerge for 7USD a month, you'd be out of a job :) |
| 12:21.00 | ice_laptop | And a lot of movies dubbed in Thai, Korean, Cantonese, Mandarin, etc. |
| 12:21.15 | mnemoc | hulu is also awesome, but us-only :< |
| 12:21.23 | ice_laptop | (-: |
| 12:21.24 | hramrach | oliv3r: the problem with netflix is that it has to manage IP rights |
| 12:21.26 | Turl | netflix has 1 year old content :< |
| 12:21.35 | oliv3r | libv: just watched your video (after reading about it on your blog) and ... it was still breathtaking when you did the Q3a demo :) |
| 12:21.41 | w00tc0d3 | mnemoc: like?... |
| 12:21.46 | oliv3r | hramrach: that's why I said 'if only' |
| 12:21.50 | ice_laptop | I have 0 day, 1 hour old content... :-) |
| 12:21.55 | w00tc0d3 | 13:17 <mnemoc> i bet there are far worse things on those torrents than mere "warez" - like??? |
| 12:21.56 | hramrach | so you only get content from a few labels, limited to a single country, etc |
| 12:21.57 | oliv3r | besides, collecting 5USD worldwide a month, would net them a _lot_ of money :) |
| 12:22.23 | hramrach | TPB or similar allows anybody access to anything so long as somebody posts it |
| 12:22.26 | ice_laptop | We collect 7USD a month and that's only in a small part of asia. |
| 12:22.30 | oliv3r | hramrach: also, i was using netflix as an example :) |
| 12:22.35 | hramrach | no src/dest restrictions |
| 12:22.44 | ice_laptop | If netflix was doing it right.. they'd make zillions of money. |
| 12:22.57 | oliv3r | netflix has some porper idea's imo |
| 12:23.06 | hramrach | the problem is the same with any such service that is 'legal' |
| 12:23.13 | ice_laptop | Everyone does, realistically speaking. |
| 12:23.36 | mnemoc | ice_laptop: netflix has to deal with holywood. you don't. you care about asian content |
| 12:23.41 | oliv3r | aye, it's the studio's that are making it difficult, but as with everything, the bigger they are, the harder they fall? |
| 12:23.53 | hramrach | the IP management is basically unsolvable with reasonable amount of work |
| 12:24.01 | ice_laptop | mnemoc, yeap it's our local niche really. |
| 12:24.36 | ice_laptop | We broadcast that kind of garbage: |
| 12:24.37 | ice_laptop | http://www.youtube.com/user/CiNNtv3 |
| 12:24.39 | hramrach | netfix contracts big lables and has big dst country so good money for them and good value for users |
| 12:24.43 | ice_laptop | But in high quality. |
| 12:24.50 | ice_laptop | 224,947 |
| 12:24.51 | ice_laptop | subscribers |
| 12:24.55 | hramrach | targetting smaller lables and smaller user bases is incresingly difficult |
| 12:24.57 | ice_laptop | 312,949,236 |
| 12:24.57 | ice_laptop | video views |
| 12:25.05 | mnemoc | ice_laptop: and there you might be able to get agreements with content producers to make a legal broadcasting service |
| 12:25.21 | ice_laptop | Not interested. |
| 12:25.40 | ice_laptop | Underground hobbyist one day, underground hobbyist forever... |
| 12:25.52 | mnemoc | :) |
| 12:25.57 | ice_laptop | I started as a BBS sysop back when I was a kid... |
| 12:26.26 | ice_laptop | So all that corporate bullshit doesn't really suit me. |
| 12:28.27 | oliv3r | all things equal and fair, content producers, actors etc still do need to get paid however (not the outragous amounts they get now surely, but still) |
| 12:28.39 | oliv3r | if 'everybdoy' is doing it illegally, there will be nothing left to watch :) |
| 12:29.03 | ice_laptop | Not feeling concerned given 99% of what we seed/provide/broadcast is ripped from public TV channels. |
| 12:29.09 | oliv3r | hence, proper distribution system needs to created and those big media companies need to learn a hard lesson and die :) |
| 12:29.13 | hramrach | it's not liek ther eis any direct payment for tv shows |
| 12:29.19 | hramrach | they are scheduled by a programme manager |
| 12:29.26 | oliv3r | true, that is mostly advertising/public funding |
| 12:29.28 | hramrach | yet you are technically not allowed to share them |
| 12:29.30 | oliv3r | which makes it even more outragous |
| 12:29.30 | ice_laptop | So for us, it feels like we're not even broadcasting really "true warez". |
| 12:29.53 | oliv3r | public money is used to make a public television program |
| 12:29.58 | ice_laptop | You just get to see what TV broadcasts but whenever *you* want it. |
| 12:30.05 | oliv3r | which is broadcasted on public television (via dvb-t unencrypted) |
| 12:30.26 | oliv3r | but it you want to watch it via the interwebs, you need all these closed delivery systems (silverlight etc) |
| 12:30.28 | ice_laptop | It's copyrighted but it's broadcasted publically and falls under "public domain".. at least in my eyes. |
| 12:30.46 | ice_laptop | I'm even surprised that people are willing to rent our servers to share such free content. |
| 12:30.53 | oliv3r | well, a movie is broadcasted publically from time to time |
| 12:31.08 | ice_laptop | All you have to do is turn on TV to get exactly the same content. |
| 12:31.22 | oliv3r | keyword: ondemand |
| 12:31.27 | ice_laptop | Exactly. |
| 12:31.34 | hramrach | but you need to purchase a license to broadcast it if you were to do it legally |
| 12:31.42 | hramrach | even the public TVs do |
| 12:31.59 | oliv3r | libv: are there video's from the devrooms (albeit not public yet?) |
| 12:32.06 | hramrach | and to some extent it determines what they broadcast - some stuff they cannot afford |
| 12:32.09 | ice_laptop | And for asians "on demand" means.. at work... during lunch, in the bus or the train on the way home from school/work. |
| 12:32.23 | ice_laptop | It's just a different way to "consume" television. |
| 12:32.40 | ice_laptop | Smartphones changed the world here. |
| 12:33.12 | hramrach | and some stuff is not legally bradcastable at all - like when the rights period on some used material expires |
| 12:33.48 | ice_laptop | Try to picture a train filled with thousands of passengers all staring at their smartphones with headphones on... |
| 12:34.12 | hramrach | hehe |
| 12:34.15 | ice_laptop | Watching content they probably have downloaded from... ...me! :-) |
| 12:35.49 | hramrach | would be cool if I found good enough headphones to hear anything in a train |
| 12:36.44 | hramrach | there are audio language courses you can borrow at a library but not much use for them when you can't really hear anything |
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| 13:13.43 | oliv3r | hey hipboi. Happy C-New Year |
| 13:14.13 | hipboi | oliv3r: happy Chinese new year |
| 13:14.54 | hipboi | oliv3r: Chinese new year means endless visiting relatives |
| 13:15.13 | oliv3r | hipboi: not much different then hours :p |
| 13:15.21 | jelly | \family/ |
| 13:15.24 | oliv3r | well christmas really |
| 13:15.29 | jelly | well often it's /o\ |
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| 13:29.52 | hramrach | 𓆙𓆙happy new year :) |
| 13:40.13 | jelly | wonders what EGYPTIAN HIEROGLYPH I014 looks like |
| 13:40.34 | hramrach | maybe like a snake? |
| 13:41.16 | mnemoc | whatever it is, it's not utf-8 encoded |
| 13:41.37 | hramrach | why do you think so? |
| 13:42.33 | mnemoc | \xef\xbf\xbd\xef\xbf\xbd |
| 13:42.39 | mnemoc | is not valid utf-8 |
| 13:42.47 | jelly | that's valid utf-8 where I stand |
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| 13:44.45 | mnemoc | 𓆙 |
| 13:44.58 | mnemoc | u+13199 ---^ |
| 13:45.16 | jelly | yeah, I see the same thing as above |
| 13:45.54 | jelly | 00000010 3c 68 72 61 6d 72 61 63 68 3e 09 f0 93 86 99 f0 |<hramrach>......| |
| 13:45.54 | jelly | 00000020 93 86 99 68 61 70 70 79 20 6e 65 77 20 79 65 61 |...happy new yea| |
| 13:46.48 | jelly | and f0 93 86 99 seems to be valid |
| 13:46.52 | Turl | mnemoc: we're just missing fonts with the glyph on them |
| 13:47.07 | slapin | wonders what these people are talking about |
| 13:47.13 | Turl | I see the 13199 square |
| 13:47.23 | jelly | me₂ |
| 13:47.25 | mnemoc | Turl: on hramrach's? |
| 13:47.33 | Turl | yeah |
| 13:47.34 | jelly | mnemoc: both yours and his. |
| 13:47.40 | Turl | and on yours mnemoc |
| 13:48.02 | mnemoc | ok. /me shuts up |
| 13:48.04 | hramrach | try ancient-fonts ;-) |
| 13:48.14 | jelly | this is obviously an important arm issue! |
| 13:48.23 | Turl | jelly :p |
| 13:50.54 | slapin | btw, is there some dynamic address ipv6 tunnel service? which gives fresh address on each connection? |
| 13:51.31 | Turl | slapin: you can get a /48 or whatever on he.net and use it |
| 13:51.35 | Turl | any address on it |
| 13:51.37 | Turl | to your liking |
| 13:52.03 | Turl | slapin: http://tunnelbroker.net/ |
| 13:52.09 | oliv3r | anybody here that understands devicetree mechanic? I have a curiosity question :) |
| 13:52.18 | slapin | Turl: I've got my nets from sixxs.net, I just need dynamic tunnel |
| 13:52.34 | slapin | oliv3r: you want to overcome Curiosity? |
| 13:52.41 | oliv3r | :p |
| 13:52.58 | Turl | slapin: supposing sixxs gives you a /thing you can use any ip then too |
| 13:53.11 | Turl | oliv3r: I have worked a bit with DT |
| 13:53.31 | slapin | Turl: this will be the same net, I need dynamically changing addresses |
| 13:53.48 | oliv3r | the bcm238-rpi-b.dts devices the memory region for the pi as 0x1000000 (e.g. 256 MiB). Since there's two models out there, the 256 and the newer 512 model, how is this handled in dts? i don't see anything that would differentiate it? Or is that the minimum and the kernel can detect + override it? |
| 13:53.53 | Turl | slapin: so just changing 48 bytes of the full addr is not enough? :p |
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| 13:54.19 | slapin | oliv3r: DT can be patched by e.g. u-boot |
| 13:54.23 | oliv3r | if so, why 256? the 'a' model had 128 MiB by default, so that would 'fail'? (this dts is obviously only for the B so 256 'and up' would be ok |
| 13:54.50 | oliv3r | slapin: well, in this specific case, the pi doesn't use u-boot though. (I was noticing this due to the fosdem arm linux video i'm watching right now) |
| 13:54.57 | slapin | oliv3r: also, board detection code in kernel can set proper value, and different board includes from DT can do it too |
| 13:55.03 | Turl | oliv3r: a similar thing happens with cubieboard |
| 13:55.17 | oliv3r | so you want to define it at a safe 'minimum'? |
| 13:55.38 | slapin | Turl: 48 bits |
| 13:56.07 | slapin | Turl: and no, it is not enough and asily tracable to tunnel endpoint |
| 13:56.39 | jelly | slapin: of course it's traceable |
| 13:56.45 | slapin | Turl: I need addresses from different networks |
| 13:56.54 | Turl | slapin: get different tunnels then |
| 13:57.10 | Turl | slapin: yeah bits, sorry >.< |
| 13:57.20 | oliv3r | oh! you can oncorporate the DTB into your kernel image! nvm then. thanks for answering my questions :) |
| 13:57.28 | Turl | oliv3r: sun4i-a10 has it defined at 0x80000000 |
| 13:57.33 | slapin | I need temporary addresses, not static tunnel |
| 13:57.44 | Turl | 2G if I'm correct |
| 13:58.33 | oliv3r | does this value have to be accurate, when passed to the kernel? I would assume somewhat, yes? |
| 14:05.36 | Turl | uboot also passes the memory size |
| 14:06.01 | Turl | not sure how does linux decide how much ram you have though |
| 14:06.09 | Turl | mripard might know |
| 14:16.28 | stefanro | Turl: yes, uboot passes memory size either via DT or ATAG's to the linux kernel |
| 14:16.51 | stefanro | Turl: and via bd_info in the pre-DT times on ppc |
| 14:19.05 | Turl | does linux prefer the atag info over the dt one? |
| 14:22.36 | stefanro | Turl: hmm, is it possible to pass both informations at once? |
| 14:23.59 | Turl | stefanro: no idea, I assumed it was |
| 14:24.48 | stefanro | Turl: doesn't make really sense to support such a thing |
| 14:25.55 | Turl | stefanro: well, dt could come appended to the linux kernel, and the bootloader could be dt-unaware |
| 14:27.25 | stefanro | has never appended the DT to the linux kernel image - but yes, it *could* be possible this way |
| 14:27.32 | hramrach | old x86 used to 'probe memory' writing every 4k or so to see if the value sticks |
| 14:27.40 | hramrach | maybe we are back to that :s |
| 14:28.12 | RaYmAn | from what I can tell, bootloaders are supposed to pass the address to the DT in the same register as the ATAG pointer used to be given in |
| 14:28.42 | Turl | stefanro: where does the DT patching occur by the way, is it during bootm? |
| 14:29.19 | stefanro | Turl: yes, it happens inside the bootm command |
| 14:29.41 | stefanro | Turl: you can do it manually though (e.g. for debug purpose) |
| 14:29.47 | mdp | APPENDED_DTB is surprisingly popular |
| 14:29.49 | stefanro | Turl: the "fdt" command is quite nice |
| 14:30.26 | stefanro | "fdt addr fdt_addr; fdt boardsetup; fdt print" |
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| 15:43.08 | libv | oliv3r: yes, but i do not think that michaellarabel has uploaded them so far |
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| 16:02.21 | ice_ | 'evening. |
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| 16:14.50 | w00tc0d3 | wow |
| 16:15.12 | w00tc0d3 | can I connect via ncmpc on a remote machine to my desktop music installation? |
| 16:15.21 | w00tc0d3 | because that'd be da bomb |
| 16:15.36 | w00tc0d3 | Cubieboard into an old industry laptop = big battery |
| 16:15.43 | w00tc0d3 | 2.5" HDD |
| 16:16.09 | w00tc0d3 | and Awesome WM + Arch Linux + MPD on remote machine |
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| 17:30.58 | theforemanuser | hi guys, got a quick question regarding running linux on a allwinner a10. Even at idle I have a load average of 1. I can see one process "usb-hardware-sc" that is in the D state all the time. Anyone else having this?? |
| 17:33.24 | ice_ | mnemoc, there? |
| 17:33.36 | ice_ | mnemoc, think this would work? http://img.chipspain.com/products/8142/cable-USB-OTG-alimentacion-externa-USB.jpg |
| 17:34.11 | ice_ | if you remember what we were talking about earlier. :p |
| 17:34.56 | mnemoc | ice_: aren't you in .th? why buying from .es? |
| 17:35.21 | ice_ | I was just googling. |
| 17:35.29 | mnemoc | but no idea why you want a Y OTG cable |
| 17:36.04 | ice_ | so that's not it. |
| 17:36.41 | ice_ | OTG to provide the 5V the SATA HDD needs and USB Host port for the data? |
| 17:37.30 | mnemoc | that Y OTG cable is used to give power to a device attached to a phone which doesn't give enough power *out* of the microusb |
| 17:38.48 | ice_ | no matter what, the SATA drive must be powered from the board. |
| 17:38.59 | mnemoc | no |
| 17:39.11 | ice_ | and on the board side all we have spare is a OTG port and a USB Host port. |
| 17:39.19 | ice_ | I have to work with that. |
| 17:39.54 | mnemoc | if you want to power the sata drive with the cubie you need to use the provided cable |
| 17:39.57 | ice_ | I cannot rely on an addition USB HUB. |
| 17:40.04 | ice_ | Not the cubie... :p |
| 17:40.18 | mnemoc | ah. ok |
| 17:40.42 | ice_ | I'm gonna take the "weird chinese device" route. |
| 17:40.58 | ice_ | And pray for the best. |
| 17:46.27 | ice_ | brb |
| 17:50.39 | Turl | http://pyfound.blogspot.co.uk/2013/02/python-trademark-at-risk-in-europe-we.html ouch |
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| 18:19.14 | ice_ | can anyone on a cubie run this: apt-get install pv ; yes | pv | ssh 127.0.0.1 "cat > /dev/null" |
| 18:19.37 | ice_ | followed by a yes | pv | cat > /dev/null |
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| 18:27.34 | sky770 | RK3188 based tablet is out :| |
| 18:28.11 | ice_ | source? |
| 18:28.47 | sky770 | Its on the web...google up: pipo rk 3188 |
| 18:29.04 | sky770 | Pipo tablet* |
| 18:30.06 | sky770 | Mnemoc umm..don't u think the discussion "topic" of this channel should be updated? :| |
| 18:31.03 | sky770 | Something related to current ongoings? Lima/quake demo..fosdem? :D |
| 18:32.32 | mnemoc | sky770: this is lkcl's channel and /topic matches the official topic of the arm-netbook mailing list |
| 18:32.49 | sky770 | :( |
| 18:33.11 | sky770 | Mailing list :( |
| 18:33.29 | sky770 | *sighs* |
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| 18:34.54 | sky770 | Btw are there any more #arm channels to keep a tab on? |
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| 18:35.15 | Gumboot | I find ARM talk in most of the channels I'm in, and it's not always my fault. |
| 18:36.09 | sky770 | ^ |
| 18:36.20 | buZz | ARM is just very sexy |
| 18:36.31 | Gumboot | There's not a lot of it in #mipslinux. |
| 18:37.52 | sky770 | Not on free node right? |
| 18:38.22 | Gumboot | #mipslinux is on freenode, but I'm not saying that's a good place to ask about ARM stuff. It's precisely the opposite of that. |
| 18:39.31 | sky770 | Ohh my bad..forgot # :D |
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| 18:39.40 | Gumboot | There's #cubieboard, and I've seen mention of #pandaboard (in #mpd which isn't about ARM boards at all, but ARM boards come up every time someone shows up in there asking about performance problems with their pis) |
| 18:39.57 | buZz | there is also #beagle |
| 18:40.06 | buZz | which gathers a lot of general ARM stuff aswell |
| 18:41.17 | sky770 | Yep..knw about cubie board |
| 18:41.56 | sky770 | Eww.. Beagleboard :p pftt |
| 18:42.08 | Gumboot | The #netbsd crowd talk about ARM a lot, too. |
| 18:42.16 | sky770 | No offence but.. Ew |
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| 18:42.59 | libv | there is also #linux-sunxi |
| 18:43.12 | Gumboot | I did not know that one. |
| 18:44.07 | sky770 | Gumboot thts the allwinner's projct Name |
| 18:44.24 | Gumboot | Yeah. I just didn't realise there was a channel for it. |
| 18:44.36 | sky770 | Sunxi for a10 series |
| 18:44.40 | buZz | sky770: when i still had a working IGEPv2 , #beagle gave me the best support ;) |
| 18:44.44 | sky770 | Hm |
| 18:45.16 | hansg | mnemoc, hi, thanks for merging my core changes series! |
| 18:45.44 | sky770 | hates his droid's auto correct cion |
| 18:45.46 | hansg | mnemoc, any reason why my display-changes series has not been merged yet ? |
| 18:45.56 | mnemoc | hansg: i'm on that |
| 18:46.44 | sky770 | god damn nooby phone :/ |
| 18:46.44 | hansg | mnemoc, ok, good, and just in time as I've another big series coming. Note that if it is easier for you, I can also send pullreqs... |
| 18:46.59 | sky770 | @buzz a wha? Igep 2? Still rocking :D |
| 18:47.22 | mnemoc | hansg: I prefer mails because that way others can comment |
| 18:47.59 | hansg | mnemoc, I understand, but we can do both, mails for discussion, and a git tree to pull from if there are no comments. |
| 18:48.35 | buZz | sky770: mine blew up when i put it to 12V power instead of 5V ;) |
| 18:49.04 | xxiao | what's missing for code on A1x? I saw yesterday at olimex's github page it states olimex is moving away from A1x due to its weak support in source code release ahd hw spec etc |
| 18:49.21 | xxiao | how bad is it still? |
| 18:49.28 | buZz | about 6 bad? |
| 18:49.37 | buZz | just a guesstimate |
| 18:49.50 | buZz | might be closer to 5.7 bad |
| 18:49.52 | mnemoc | xxiao: problem for olimex is not "how bad is the open tree". but the zero interest of allwinner in cooperating |
| 18:50.09 | sky770 | ^ |
| 18:50.18 | buZz | i am suprised olimex only discovered this after building a board and sending it to ppl |
| 18:50.32 | buZz | used to think they did research ... |
| 18:50.39 | Gumboot | Where are they based? |
| 18:50.42 | xxiao | olimex built a few boards, a10, a13, now a10s... |
| 18:50.45 | sky770 | N ended in fail |
| 18:50.48 | traeak | yup |
| 18:50.49 | xxiao | maybe A10S is the last |
| 18:50.54 | mnemoc | buZz: as all marketing people, the promise a lot before selling. |
| 18:51.04 | buZz | ah they are into marketing? |
| 18:51.07 | traeak | allwinner decides they don't want a piece of the R&D market |
| 18:51.09 | buZz | wouldnt have guessed |
| 18:51.18 | traeak | product R&D market i mean |
| 18:51.51 | buZz | allwinner is only focussing on their next model |
| 18:51.57 | buZz | as are most chipbuilders |
| 18:51.57 | traeak | makes sense |
| 18:51.58 | mnemoc | buZz: their english-speaking people belongs to what they call the "market dept" |
| 18:52.10 | traeak | but their next model probably wont be as successful as the a10 was |
| 18:52.15 | buZz | mnemoc: ah, so we are only seeing the result of that |
| 18:52.16 | sky770 | :D |
| 18:52.17 | xxiao | sigh, on the price and feature list i still saw few competition to A1x at the moment |
| 18:52.28 | traeak | the market isn't the same now as it was several years ago |
| 18:52.33 | sky770 | +1 mnemoc |
| 18:52.56 | xxiao | will be in south china between May-Aug |
| 18:52.58 | mnemoc | buZz: they tell you. buy N pieces and I'll tell you. you buy them. ask. and the answer is "we don't know" |
| 18:53.14 | buZz | hehe gotcha |
| 18:53.35 | buZz | i'd rather buy a board from Tom and get links to the wiki i co-maintain in reply :P |
| 18:53.36 | xxiao | mnemoc: now you know what 'marketing' means |
| 18:53.46 | mnemoc | :) |
| 18:54.30 | mnemoc | hansg: more than the pulls, the harder part is to backport your changes to 3.0 :p |
| 18:54.49 | sky770 | suspects if xxiao is from allwinner |
| 18:54.54 | xxiao | it's amazing olimex can design so many boards using different chip vendors in weeks |
| 18:55.06 | sky770 | :D |
| 18:55.17 | mnemoc | xxiao: tsvetan does it for fun, not for profit |
| 18:55.20 | hansg | mnemoc, true |
| 18:56.15 | xxiao | truly a genius |
| 18:57.19 | sky770 | .zzzZZZZZ |
| 18:57.54 | mnemoc | xxiao: he doesn't only design, manufacture and sell boards of everything he finds interesting. he does it OSHW, sends free samples to devs and gives away one every friday |
| 18:58.32 | sky770 | Interesting.. :) |
| 18:58.33 | xxiao | definitely a candidate to save the sinking GNU/FSF leadership |
| 18:58.48 | buZz | replace stallman with tsvetan? |
| 18:59.01 | buZz | i would first need to see his eating habits |
| 18:59.02 | sky770 | :D |
| 18:59.11 | buZz | anyone has video? |
| 18:59.12 | buZz | :P |
| 18:59.14 | xxiao | right, not to mention replacing stallman with any man will work better :) |
| 19:00.01 | buZz | hmm, so a woman? |
| 19:00.06 | buZz | i am for lady-ada then |
| 19:00.40 | sky770 | :p noo pls not a lady |
| 19:00.40 | Turl | mnemoc: does he still gift one every friday? |
| 19:00.52 | mnemoc | Turl: yes |
| 19:00.56 | Turl | last I saw he had stopped doing it because people didn't do stuff with the boards he sent |
| 19:01.04 | sky770 | Lol |
| 19:01.27 | mnemoc | Turl: the friday thing is a quiz on twitter |
| 19:01.39 | Turl | http://olimex.wordpress.com/2013/02/08/friday-free-board-quiz-issue-28-is-mod-rgb/ :) |
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| 19:02.17 | mnemoc | Turl: he also announced each quiz on Google+ |
| 19:02.20 | mnemoc | announces* |
| 19:04.15 | Gumboot | is pleased to see random.org contributing. |
| 19:05.46 | Turl | their G+ page is empty |
| 19:05.57 | mnemoc | Turl: person, not company |
| 19:07.58 | Turl | found it now :) |
| 19:09.38 | mnemoc | http://www.cnx-software.com/2013/02/15/gumstix-introduces-geppetto-web-platform-to-design-custom-embedded-boards/ <--- brilliant |
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| 19:12.02 | Turl | 1999$ setup fee makes it a bit expensive though |
| 19:12.31 | mnemoc | ouch |
| 19:13.49 | RaYmAn | it's still quite cool though - for bigger runs I guess |
| 19:14.00 | xxiao | wow |
| 19:14.16 | xxiao | board design minecraft |
| 19:17.46 | hramrach | that sounds awesome |
| 19:20.21 | hansg | mnemoc, ah your fully in sunc, time for the next patch-bomb ^W series |
| 19:20.21 | hramrach | except I don't do neither minecraft not board design |
| 19:20.27 | xxiao | all overo cpu modules use the same connector? |
| 19:20.28 | hansg | s/sunc/sync/ |
| 19:20.37 | hansg | :) |
| 19:20.37 | xxiao | the cpu portion only has one to select |
| 19:20.48 | hramrach | :S |
| 19:21.54 | xxiao | turns out it's just a basic mechanic CAD layout thing |
| 19:22.17 | mnemoc | hansg: the core unification and cpu-freq set is still pending on 3.0. but go ahead |
| 19:22.25 | xxiao | gumstix will install a cpu module, and do the base board layout then |
| 19:22.32 | rm | mnemoc, 3.0.62-r0 ready to be used? |
| 19:22.49 | rm | or is this "just after merge" and a better idea is to wait for r1 |
| 19:23.01 | mnemoc | rm: -r0 is "just after merge" |
| 19:23.15 | mnemoc | rm: but using the head of the branches should be good |
| 19:24.13 | mnemoc | it has some fixes, but isn't worth of -r1 yet |
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| 19:53.50 | ssvb | hansg: hi, have you actually tested https://github.com/linux-sunxi/linux-sunxi/commit/e046d494a38c0962f35277b805cdd70a3112185a with sunxi_fb_mem_reserve=0 ? |
| 20:05.07 | ssvb | hansg: at least it just sends the device into a reboot loop for me, so I wonder if it works correctly for anyone else |
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| 21:26.26 | hansg | ssvb, I did at one point, but not with the final set ... I'm going offline now (time for bed), please send a mail on this to the list and I'll take a look later |
| 21:29.31 | bfree | mnemoc: been a long time coming (like my cubie) but http://dl.linux-sunxi.org/niall/debian/ has some first experimental debian packages for kernel and u-boot (built on/for unstable). Both are dirty, based on *.orig.tar.?z which are just archives of linux-sunxi git head. Just a dumb flat unsigned apt-ftparchive "repository" there so "deb http://dl.linux-sunxi.org/niall/debian/ ./" (or deb-src) for apt |
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| 22:19.09 | techn__ | bfree: cool :) |
| 22:19.56 | techn__ | http://packages.linux-sunxi.org/ :) |
| 22:24.19 | bfree | techn__: not yet, they should work fine (I've been using them and the build up to them on my cubie for the last bit), but there's more to do. for starters the defconfig for the kernel is a little sparse (/me wants lvm support anyway) ;) there's also some writing to do (I'll try and do some over the next few days) |
| 22:27.11 | techn__ | bfree: how you handle different clocks on u-boot? |
| 22:27.25 | techn__ | or is that package cubie specific? |
| 22:28.04 | aexl_ | lo. what does "crane" at sun4i_crane stand for? |
| 22:28.21 | bfree | techn__: it has the uboot bins for all the different sunxi boards, is that what you mean? |
| 22:28.36 | techn__ | aexl_: Allwinner android sdk for A10 |
| 22:29.13 | aexl_ | techn__: ^^thx. and the word? |
| 22:31.28 | ice_ | techn__, http://packages.linux-sunxi.org/ is dead empty. |
| 22:31.56 | techn__ | ice_: yes.. I was pointing that :p |
| 22:32.02 | ice_ | kk |
| 22:32.26 | ice_ | http://romanrm.ru/dl/a10/debian/ is highly prefered. |
| 22:32.47 | ice_ | along with http://romanrm.ru/dl/a10/server/3.0.57-r1-rm9/ |
| 22:33.38 | bfree | techn__: just added a Contents.gz to make it easy to see what's in there ;) |
| 22:34.24 | ice_ | bfree, if I were you I'd do a ln -s /dev/null or /dev/random |
| 22:36.51 | techn__ | bfree: cool |
| 22:39.08 | hramrach | bfree: reprepro is a cool tool for making repos |
| 22:39.15 | hramrach | it even works |
| 22:40.23 | bfree | hramrach: I know, I'm fairly familiar with it ... for the first cut I quite deliberately have it grossly simple and unsigned |
| 22:40.31 | mnemoc | zumbi offered to maintain http://packages.linux-sunxi.org/debian .... but they are more interested in olimex stuff now |
| 22:42.16 | hramrach | olimex nolimex you still need pretty much the same stuff |
| 22:42.25 | hramrach | they have A13 board too |
| 22:44.02 | techn__ | mnemoc: what you mean with lichee3-sunxi? |
| 22:44.21 | mnemoc | techn__: a tree of allwinner code |
| 22:44.48 | mnemoc | techn__: starting from our base and then squashing the different source drops |
| 22:45.28 | mnemoc | s/squashing/importing/ |
| 22:45.37 | techn__ | I can push that branch.. I have checked out i-onik.de's repo with history :p |
| 22:45.58 | mnemoc | oh |
| 22:46.21 | techn__ | Let me check where it differs from our lichee branches |
| 22:48.04 | mnemoc | btw, I used this little toy to.... sanitize.. the source drops. http://sprunge.us/WBZG |
| 22:48.12 | mnemoc | encoding and permissions |
| 22:48.47 | mnemoc | http://sprunge.us/WBZG?sh |
| 22:49.22 | mnemoc | \r\n and trailing whitespace in reencoded files |
| 22:49.37 | mnemoc | helps to keep the sanitize when doing diffs |
| 22:49.50 | mnemoc | sanity |
| 22:50.18 | techn__ | mnemoc: http://pastebin.com/itmT1qDX |
| 22:50.32 | techn__ | last commit is in our repo already |
| 22:50.39 | techn__ | but rest of them are new |
| 22:51.10 | mnemoc | didn't know they had history |
| 22:51.28 | mnemoc | cherry-picking won't be that trivial |
| 22:51.32 | techn__ | there is some intresting stuff in those commits :p |
| 22:51.34 | mnemoc | because we "unremoved" sun5i |
| 22:51.54 | mnemoc | but commit --amend rules :) |
| 22:52.53 | techn__ | I havent checked what that a13 sdk has.. but it has also history |
| 22:53.47 | ice_ | any tarballs? |
| 22:53.54 | mnemoc | the idea would be to make a single branch merging (with as much history as possible) the different SDKs |
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| 22:54.29 | mnemoc | so we can then see the right diffs and forward port what useful |
| 22:54.34 | ice_ | I think you better off starting with a fresh fork. |
| 22:55.00 | ice_ | hdtabarmux |
| 22:55.11 | ice_ | hdmi-tablet-arm-linux |
| 22:55.36 | mnemoc | yeah, and trash over a year of the work of the communty |
| 22:55.49 | ice_ | then you can have a /trunk/ and then a branch for A10 A13 A20 A31 |
| 22:56.17 | ice_ | no but isn't the point of your work to get optimized "distributions" based on hardware specifics? |
| 22:56.53 | ice_ | I doubt kernel optimizations made for A31 would be backward compatible with say, A10 CPUs? |
| 22:56.57 | mnemoc | ice_: no, the point is to have a single tree, and get sunxi support to mainlineable quality |
| 22:57.45 | ice_ | so you're not trying to squeeze as much performance as you can from those "higher-ends" A31 over the "lower-ends" A10? |
| 22:58.08 | mnemoc | no |
| 22:58.14 | ice_ | ... |
| 22:58.31 | mnemoc | there is no even public code for those "higher-end" soc or hackable devices yet |
| 22:58.39 | ice_ | the keyword is yet. |
| 22:59.03 | mnemoc | ice_: goal is mainlining. allwinner's junk code is not mainlinable |
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| 22:59.34 | ice_ | when Allwinner will see all the support you've done on the A10 and A13 it would make sense that they would hand over the A31 code once they realize how beneficial this can be to them? |
| 23:00.13 | techn__ | you can only hope :p |
| 23:00.20 | ice_ | indeed |
| 23:00.30 | mnemoc | lost his hope long ago |
| 23:00.57 | ice_ | heh |
| 23:01.13 | mnemoc | when ever SDK olimex received had less code and more gpl-violations than the previous |
| 23:01.18 | mnemoc | every* |
| 23:02.05 | ice_ | China and their sense of "intellectual property".. |
| 23:02.37 | ice_ | They probably are afraid to get sued and then get their brands/products banned in "civilzed" countries. |
| 23:02.51 | techn__ | mnemoc: I started kms/drm driver work couple days ago.. hopefully I have skeleton/architecture ready for next week :p |
| 23:03.07 | mnemoc | \o/ |
| 23:03.28 | buZz | hmm that enc28j60 is available in dip version |
| 23:04.01 | techn__ | but it has been proceeding really slow.. 2-10 lines per day.. :D |
| 23:04.06 | mnemoc | do we still need a custom enc28j60 driver now that we have a gpiolib driver? |
| 23:04.14 | techn__ | felt little ill :( |
| 23:04.41 | mnemoc | techn__: iirc the plan was to refactor the current driver until it becomes kms/drm compatible |
| 23:05.02 | techn__ | mnemoc: I lost hope with that current driver :p |
| 23:05.19 | mnemoc | can't argue |
| 23:05.38 | techn__ | to get it refactored you need to refactor it twice.. also it has huge regression risk |
| 23:06.07 | mnemoc | techn__: btw, thank you for taking care of the lichee3-sunxi branch :) |
| 23:06.28 | techn__ | mnemoc: ööh :/ |
| 23:06.34 | mnemoc | *g* |
| 23:06.56 | techn__ | I thought that was just pushing stuff.. :D |
| 23:07.30 | mnemoc | it's an awful amount of work before pushing stuff |
| 23:07.31 | techn__ | forgot about sanitize and combining |
| 23:08.07 | mnemoc | the small print :p |
| 23:08.25 | mnemoc | fine print* |
| 23:08.57 | techn__ | :) |
| 23:10.12 | mnemoc | need to take a nap... eyes are burning ... too much coffee these days :\ |
| 23:10.34 | mnemoc | bbl |
| 23:11.00 | mnemoc | techn__: but thanks! :D |
| 23:11.00 | mnemoc | good night |
| 23:14.38 | Gumboot | You know, if you people want more source code from vendors, you really need to hassle patent lawyers, not silicon vendors. |
| 23:14.45 | ice_ | good night mnemoc |
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