| 00:00.29 | philipp64 | Anyone want to add anything to: |
| 00:00.31 | philipp64 | http://bugs.digium.com/view.php?id=12117 |
| 00:16.42 | tzafrir_home | philipp64, how is that different from disabling a channel driver you don't want to build? |
| 00:17.12 | tzafrir_home | or generally: a module you don't want to build? |
| 00:17.28 | tzafrir_home | If you don't happen to have the right configure switch to disable it? |
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| 00:31.51 | philipp64 | if you want to add a note to the bug saying that it's a broader issue, be my guest. |
| 00:33.05 | Corydon76-dig | I don't see it as an issue |
| 00:33.36 | Corydon76-dig | Those are simply the reasonable defaults |
| 00:35.20 | Corydon76-dig | When you 'make distclean', you are telling make to wipe out any of your previous selections and return to defaults |
| 00:36.28 | philipp64 | seanbright-home: thanks. |
| 00:37.06 | philipp64 | Corydon76-dig: then I didn't do a very good job describing the bug, or you haven't read the top-level makefile. |
| 00:38.25 | Corydon76-dig | So you're saying that 'make distclean' should wipe out your selections, and it currently does not? |
| 00:38.40 | philipp64 | look at what happens to $(USER_MAKEOPTS) |
| 00:39.04 | Corydon76-dig | Forget the variables. I'm interested in the overall behavior |
| 00:39.09 | philipp64 | makeclean does indeed remove menuselect.makeopts... |
| 00:39.22 | Corydon76-dig | Well, then, it behaves as expected |
| 00:39.42 | philipp64 | it should be seeded by ~/.asterisk.makeopts following a "make distclean". |
| 00:39.49 | Corydon76-dig | If you didn't want it to return to defaults, you should have used the 'clean' target, not the 'distclean' target |
| 00:39.54 | philipp64 | problem is, it picks up defaults that can't be disabled. |
| 00:40.15 | philipp64 | ok. tell you what. forget about the distclean. |
| 00:40.35 | philipp64 | let's say I FTP a .asterisk.makeopts from another machine, or copy it into a new tree and start from scratch. |
| 00:40.49 | philipp64 | same applies. |
| 00:41.11 | Corydon76-dig | Because you didn't copy the other dependent files |
| 00:41.27 | philipp64 | you lost me. |
| 00:41.48 | philipp64 | if I do a "make menuselect.makeopts", it's picking up the defaults from sounds/sounds.xml. |
| 00:41.55 | Corydon76-dig | While you can play with the underlying files, we do not support any method of manipulating the selections other than using menuselect |
| 00:42.16 | philipp64 | problem is, I don't want the default value, hence I've explicitly specified in my ~/.asterisk.makeopts what I *do* want. |
| 00:42.41 | seanbright-home | Corydon76-dig: russellb and qwell admitted it to be a bug when they were around |
| 00:43.20 | Qwell | the problem is that sounds are positiveoutput=yes, most of the rest (modules) are not |
| 00:43.30 | Corydon76-dig | Qwell: ah |
| 00:43.38 | Qwell | it's a bug, and russell or I will probably look at it next weeek |
| 00:43.51 | Qwell | we really need to have like blah=-feature |
| 00:43.52 | Corydon76-dig | So it's purely a question of not observing the user config correctly |
| 00:44.04 | Qwell | no, it's working as intended... |
| 00:44.14 | Qwell | ...technically :D |
| 00:44.30 | Corydon76-dig | Working as designed, you mean? ;-) |
| 00:44.35 | Qwell | right |
| 00:44.40 | Qwell | so the bug is in the design :p |
| 00:44.49 | Qwell | but the fix shouldn't be that difficult or cumbersome |
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| 00:45.59 | Qwell | I keep getting spam with the subject "Autodesk 2008", and keep reading it as Asterisk... |
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| 00:46.21 | Corydon76-dig | Qwell: you need a better filter, then |
| 00:46.27 | Qwell | I'll say |
| 00:46.43 | Corydon76-dig | SA with Bayesian filtering works for me |
| 00:46.49 | Qwell | I get > 100 spam emails a day ;/ |
| 00:47.04 | Corydon76-dig | I get less than 10 a day that pass the filter |
| 00:47.18 | philipp64 | SA+MDF rules. |
| 00:47.19 | Qwell | I wish I could filter my email through gmail |
| 00:47.49 | Corydon76-dig | I'm using spfmilter and spamass-milter |
| 00:48.03 | Qwell | I really should set something up sometime |
| 00:48.07 | Corydon76-dig | inline rejection rules |
| 00:48.11 | Qwell | I have like nothing setup now |
| 00:48.37 | Corydon76-dig | but you can only get inline rejection if you run your own mail server |
| 00:48.43 | Qwell | I do |
| 00:48.49 | Corydon76-dig | sendmail? |
| 00:48.55 | Qwell | postfix I think |
| 00:49.04 | philipp64 | should work with postfix too. |
| 00:49.17 | Corydon76-dig | sendmail still beats the crap out of everything else on customization |
| 00:49.26 | philipp64 | yup. |
| 00:49.47 | Corydon76-dig | I think postfix supports milters now, though |
| 00:50.22 | Corydon76-dig | Qwell: both of those milters are standard packages in Debian |
| 00:50.28 | Qwell | yeah.. |
| 00:50.37 | Qwell | too lazy to rtfm |
| 00:51.17 | Corydon76-dig | Qwell: kid wearing you out? |
| 00:52.01 | Qwell | no, I really just haven't set it up, because I don't want it to filter real stuff ;/ |
| 00:52.08 | Corydon76-dig | Heh |
| 00:52.48 | Qwell | how much training is involved in a bayesian? |
| 00:53.03 | Qwell | manual training, that is |
| 00:53.04 | Corydon76-dig | How much of your spam do you save? |
| 00:53.28 | Corydon76-dig | I have a pool of about 10k spam that I use to train my filter |
| 00:53.32 | Qwell | none |
| 00:53.51 | Qwell | forward it all to me :P |
| 00:54.00 | Qwell | (I kid) |
| 00:54.09 | Corydon76-dig | Once you start using it, you should save all the spam that passes the filter |
| 00:54.22 | Qwell | just junkmail folder or something? |
| 00:54.45 | Corydon76-dig | and grab all the stuff that gets incorrectly filtered and stick it in a whitelist folder, no matter how mundane |
| 00:54.55 | Corydon76-dig | and retrain on those aberrations |
| 00:55.12 | Corydon76-dig | The system gets smarter each time you give it more information |
| 00:55.33 | Qwell | manageable straight from thunderbird? |
| 00:55.54 | Corydon76-dig | If you use the builtin filtering, yes |
| 00:56.06 | Corydon76-dig | If you're planning on using a server-side process, no. |
| 00:56.58 | Corydon76-dig | After your server-based filtering has been running awhile, you can convert it to a milter, and get SMTP-time rejection |
| 00:57.21 | Corydon76-dig | which for 99% of the spam, the spam never leaves the zombie |
| 00:57.45 | Corydon76-dig | so the zombie tries to deliver and fails |
| 00:58.12 | Qwell | I guess I'll start junking my spam |
| 00:58.19 | Qwell | I usually just shift+delete |
| 00:58.21 | Corydon76-dig | Oh, and the other thing is, if you have autolearning turned on, which you should, each email it classifies as spam, it learns from |
| 00:58.42 | Corydon76-dig | That's why retraining on both false negatives and false positives is so important |
| 00:58.43 | Qwell | autolearning is good |
| 00:59.32 | Corydon76-dig | There have been days that my spam solution has rejected 500 emails... |
| 00:59.49 | Corydon76-dig | which I am very glad never made it to my inbox |
| 01:00.05 | Corydon76-dig | That's just noise |
| 01:00.21 | Corydon76-dig | Noise overwhelming all signal |
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| 02:36.47 | Qwell | Corydon76-dig: still around? |
| 02:38.56 | Corydon76-dig | Yes |
| 02:40.04 | Qwell | know of any good SA howtos? |
| 02:40.36 | Qwell | I found 1100 spam mails in my trash dir |
| 02:42.08 | tzafrir_home | Qwell, I simply use it from procmail |
| 02:42.47 | tzafrir_home | be sure to use spamd/spamc |
| 02:43.21 | Qwell | and what is ham? O.o |
| 02:43.25 | Qwell | "good" mail? |
| 02:43.41 | tzafrir_home | yes |
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| 04:54.02 | Qwell | hmm, that's working okay...I guess |
| 04:55.50 | outtolunc | sounds production ready <G> |
| 05:05.25 | Mavvie | anybody willing to explain to me how a DTMF key found in the zaptel driver (t4_check_vpm450) gets forward to the asterisk (chan_zap.c I believe) part? |
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| 13:59.58 | tzafrir | on a analog (zap) phone, with 1.6. I dial a number, flash to get the second "line", and then see that I have two Zap/25-1 channels |
| 14:00.16 | tzafrir | Previously there were Zap/25-1 and Zap/25-2 |
| 14:00.58 | tzafrir | I think I managed to get two of those to play into the same channel earlier, but I'm not sure |
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| 17:10.21 | jameswf-home | real programmers http://www.xkcd.com/378/ |
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