| 00:00.00 | russellb | eep |
| 00:00.09 | russellb | Cresl1n: pong |
| 00:00.45 | russellb | pongs Cresl1n again |
| 00:00.47 | russellb | pongs Cresl1n again again |
| 00:00.54 | russellb | oic |
| 00:02.42 | seanbright | codefreeze-lap: stalled at the moment. |
| 00:02.50 | seanbright | codefreeze-lap: is he back on that now? |
| 00:03.38 | seanbright | all this pinging and ponging... |
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| 00:04.32 | kpfleming|laptop | that freetds backport is irrelevant to federico's problem, since his problem is not involving cdr_tds |
| 00:05.26 | seanbright | right, just freetds unixODBC iirc |
| 00:06.23 | kpfleming|laptop | yeah |
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| 12:39.00 | codefreeze-lap | seanbright: no, sorry. He's been using 0.82 for a while now. I just didn't put 2 and 2 together. |
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| 14:03.28 | eliel | jsmith: ping |
| 14:03.36 | jsmith | eliel: pong |
| 14:04.25 | eliel | http://pastebin.com/m269308c5 |
| 14:04.40 | eliel | this is a dtd I start writing |
| 14:05.37 | eliel | is the first time a write a dtd, so, I don't know if it is wellformed or at least, how to check it against the core-en_US.xml file |
| 14:06.27 | eliel | s/time a write/time I write/ |
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| 14:24.36 | seanbright | codefreeze-lap: ah, cool. |
| 14:25.37 | seanbright | codefreeze-lap: err, not cool. is he using the odbc cdr module or the cdr_tds one? |
| 14:26.16 | seanbright | DTD? why not use xml schema? |
| 14:27.31 | eliel | seanbright: I don't know, that was a jsmith decision, I didn't know which one fits better |
| 14:28.04 | jsmith | seanbright: No reason why we can't do both... it just depends on what we're really trying to accomplish with it |
| 14:29.30 | seanbright | DTDs are obsoleted by XSD, are they not? |
| 14:29.35 | jsmith | No |
| 14:29.40 | seanbright | interesting. |
| 14:29.57 | jsmith | Schemas can have richer data types, but most everyone I know is still using DTDs |
| 14:30.09 | seanbright | in the publishing industry? |
| 14:30.13 | seanbright | or in general? |
| 14:30.38 | jsmith | Well, since most of my XML work is in the publishing industry (and DocBook specifically), I can't speak about the general case |
| 14:30.47 | jsmith | http://www.xml.com/pub/a/1999/12/dtd/index.html has a good explanation of the difference |
| 14:31.06 | jsmith | Most of the XML tools I use will let you validate against a DTD, but not necessarily against an XML Schema |
| 14:32.09 | jsmith | For what we're doing, either one will be fine. |
| 14:32.27 | seanbright | gotcha |
| 14:32.36 | seanbright | we use XSD here exclusively |
| 14:32.38 | seanbright | that is why i ask. |
| 14:32.54 | seanbright | haven't written a DTD in over 5 years |
| 14:33.29 | tzafrir_laptop | can anybody please upload such a core-en_US.xml? Too lazy to check this out and build here :-) |
| 14:38.53 | jsmith | tzafrir_laptop: I was thinking the same thing :-) |
| 14:39.16 | jsmith | tzafrir_laptop: But then I built it anyway... hold on and I'll upload |
| 14:39.54 | jsmith | seanbright: If you'd rather use XSD, feel free to jump in and help out -- just because I'm more familiar with DTDs doesn't mean we should go with my way |
| 14:40.01 | eliel | http://www.eliel.net/asterisk/appdocsxml/core-en_US.xml |
| 14:40.37 | jsmith | Thanks eliel |
| 14:40.43 | eliel | yw |
| 14:41.22 | seanbright | jsmith: i'd prefer to monday-morning-quarterback, thank you ;) |
| 14:46.22 | eliel | http://www.eliel.net/asterisk/appdocsxml/core-en_USxsl.xml |
| 14:46.32 | eliel | and example xslt |
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| 15:07.45 | mv2 | how is md5 authentication response compute ? |
| 15:08.01 | mv2 | hash (nonce + password) |
| 15:08.03 | mv2 | ? |
| 15:08.27 | jsmith | mv2: For SIP? |
| 15:08.50 | mv2 | yes |
| 15:11.44 | mv2 | <jsmith: do you know ? |
| 15:13.39 | Corydon76-dig | mv2: it's a fairly complex process, involving multiple levels of hashing |
| 15:13.40 | mv2 | ok |
| 15:13.42 | mv2 | thanks |
| 15:14.34 | mv2 | but the only data that the process takes is password and nonce ? |
| 15:14.51 | jsmith | No, it involves at least the Request-URI and the realm |
| 15:14.57 | mv2 | ok thanks |
| 15:14.59 | jsmith | (in addition to the password and nonce) |
| 15:15.01 | Corydon76-dig | and the auth username |
| 15:15.48 | Corydon76-dig | a1_hash is md5(username:realm:secret) |
| 15:16.05 | Corydon76-dig | a2_hash is md5(method:uri) |
| 15:17.19 | Corydon76-dig | and then the calculation is either md5(a1_hash:nonce:noncecount:cnonce:"auth":a2_hash) |
| 15:17.32 | Corydon76-dig | or md5(a1_hash:nonce:a2_hash) |
| 15:17.47 | Corydon76-dig | depending on whether qop is blank or not |
| 15:18.01 | mv2 | Corydon76-dig: thanks |
| 15:19.39 | mv2 | does anybody knows the irc channel of SiVUs |
| 15:19.46 | mv2 | sip vuln scanner |
| 15:19.47 | mv2 | ? |
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| 15:26.34 | eliel | jsmith: did you have time to take a look at the DTD? it is wellformed? |
| 15:28.01 | jsmith | eliel: I haven't had time, and won't for another couple of hours |
| 15:28.32 | eliel | k |
| 15:28.36 | jsmith | eliel: Sorry :-( I spent two minutes trying to validate core-en_US.xml against it using xmlstarlet, but it threw an error and I haven't done more with it |
| 15:29.11 | eliel | jsmith: I will give it a try |
| 15:52.48 | eliel | jsmith: mvanbaak: after fixing some issues with the dtd, I have found some points to discuss (I pastebin the result of the validation): |
| 15:52.49 | eliel | http://pastebin.com/m76c0c352 |
| 15:52.49 | Corydon76-dig | eliel: best time to ask is a week from Tuesday |
| 15:53.14 | eliel | heh |
| 16:01.05 | eliel | uf, next week this channel will be dead, cause of the astricon |
| 16:05.37 | eliel | the DTD is uploaded here: http://www.eliel.net/asterisk/appdocsxml/appdocsxml.dtd |
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| 16:45.51 | mvanbaak | eliel: hey |
| 16:48.10 | eliel | hello! |
| 16:50.17 | mvanbaak | I see you started work on the xslt/dtd |
| 16:51.26 | eliel | yes, and I found some tags that I didn't know even exist |
| 16:51.31 | eliel | like: <note> |
| 16:51.41 | eliel | the 'implies' attribute in option |
| 17:00.58 | jsmith | eliel: I don't know the best way to handle notes, but I really like the idea of having them |
| 17:01.10 | jsmith | eliel: (similar to note/warning/tip admonitions in DocBook) |
| 17:02.45 | eliel | Do you think they should be printed when showing the applications documentation? |
| 17:04.14 | eliel | also we have a conflict with <variable>, we used it inside a <variablelist> and inside <para> elements, and I dont know how to fix this in the DTD |
| 17:04.41 | mvanbaak | eliel: I did not know about the <note> either, till yesterday |
| 17:04.51 | mvanbaak | when I was converting some more, I found them in app_dial |
| 17:04.58 | mvanbaak | I think jsmith added them there |
| 17:05.40 | mvanbaak | gheh, the lady I have on the phone from Lufthansa: "going from Chicago to Portland" |
| 17:06.07 | codefreeze-lap | jpeeler: got a moment? |
| 17:06.19 | jpeeler | codefreeze-lap: yes |
| 17:06.30 | codefreeze-lap | I'm playing with park in trunk |
| 17:06.43 | jpeeler | i figured you might be |
| 17:06.56 | jpeeler | did i do something wrong? |
| 17:06.56 | codefreeze-lap | it's not working quite right... have you noticed? |
| 17:07.08 | jpeeler | oh... with the patch applied or not? |
| 17:07.23 | codefreeze-lap | just svn updated in trunk, compiled, and ran |
| 17:07.29 | mvanbaak | so I go: "WTF !" I want to go to Phoenix ! |
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| 17:07.53 | mvanbaak | "sorry sir, I have my codes mixed up. I only see the codes here and interpreted PHX as Portland" |
| 17:07.56 | mvanbaak | phew |
| 17:08.01 | jpeeler | codefreeze-lap: trunk should actually be crashing then, i haven't committed anything there yet |
| 17:08.10 | codefreeze-lap | ahhh |
| 17:08.39 | codefreeze-lap | OK, let me play with the patch then.... wait, I'll play with 1.4, then |
| 17:08.49 | jpeeler | and unfortunately, 1.4 is not perfect yet either, but it won't crash |
| 17:08.55 | eliel | mvanbaak: heh |
| 17:09.00 | jpeeler | is pretty close i think |
| 17:09.34 | jpeeler | mdu113 probably has opened 4 bugs relating to the parking + cdr stuff |
| 17:15.55 | codefreeze-lap | jpeeler: I just did a #700 on a dahdi->dahdi call in 1.4; the 701 gets announced, then I get congestion on both phones. Its over. |
| 17:16.39 | codefreeze-lap | jpeeler: I'm running under valgrind, and I get a long list of violations... |
| 17:17.31 | codefreeze-lap | jpeeler: are you seeing this kind of thing also? |
| 17:17.37 | jpeeler | codefreeze-lap: ok, let me svn up and see what's going on |
| 17:17.46 | jpeeler | i've shifted gears so let me shift back |
| 17:20.26 | mvanbaak | http://www.electricmonk.nl/temp/qry.txt |
| 17:21.54 | jpeeler | codefreeze-lap: is #700 one touch parking for you? |
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| 17:22.54 | codefreeze-lap | jpeeler: It's the usual default config setup for parking. You dial to xfer, 700 is the park exten, the parking lot is 701-like 720 on my setup. |
| 17:23.20 | codefreeze-lap | uh, /dial to xfer/dial # to xfer/ |
| 17:23.29 | putnopvut | mvanbaak: what in the bloody hell is that? |
| 17:23.39 | jpeeler | what type of transfer are you doing? |
| 17:23.45 | mvanbaak | putnopvut: a query after I optimized it |
| 17:23.47 | seanbright | putnopvut: a SQL query. |
| 17:24.07 | mvanbaak | putnopvut: it now runs in 6 seconds. before I created it like this it was running in 96 seconds |
| 17:24.19 | codefreeze-lap | # tranfer; you set it via the features stuff |
| 17:24.42 | codefreeze-lap | jpeeler: how do you do 'one-touch' parking? |
| 17:24.47 | jpeeler | so you mean blind transfer? |
| 17:24.56 | jpeeler | parkcall set in features |
| 17:25.01 | codefreeze-lap | jpeeler, #-anything is a blind xfer, yes |
| 17:25.16 | jpeeler | i have mine different from the defaults... let me check |
| 17:26.32 | jpeeler | codefreeze-lap: i am not currently seeing any parking problems actually, i tried doing the transfer from both sides |
| 17:27.13 | mvanbaak | putnopvut: it's a 'simple' query |
| 17:27.30 | mvanbaak | putnopvut: we have a couple of others that take 103 seconds now. Have to fix those as well |
| 17:27.42 | mvanbaak | problem with those is they are already using 100% indexes |
| 17:28.01 | putnopvut | Congrats on optimizing that. |
| 17:29.56 | mvanbaak | I hate it |
| 17:30.19 | mvanbaak | because if you think you fixed it, and try it, and it's not fixed you have to wait 103 seconds |
| 17:31.19 | putnopvut | I suck at SQL. |
| 17:31.27 | mvanbaak | me too |
| 17:31.56 | mvanbaak | this is as far as I go |
| 17:32.13 | Corydon76-dig | Someone need help with SQL? |
| 17:32.45 | mvanbaak | Corydon76-dig: http://www.electricmonk.nl/temp/qry.txt |
| 17:33.01 | Corydon76-dig | Hah, nice join |
| 17:33.11 | codefreeze-lap | jpeeler: hmmmm. I ran asterisk w/o valgrind, using dahdi phones, A calls B; B parks A by doing #700. I get errors with mem subsystem. Oh, I compiled with DONT_OPTIMIZE, MALLOC_DEBUG turned on... |
| 17:34.23 | mvanbaak | Corydon76-dig: yeah. it gave me headaches today |
| 17:34.38 | mvanbaak | this is the version that's in production now |
| 17:35.05 | mvanbaak | the previous one was using: select a.*, b.bla from a, b where a.id = b.a_id .... |
| 17:35.10 | mvanbaak | syntax like that |
| 17:35.19 | mvanbaak | no wonder it was SLOW |
| 17:35.39 | codefreeze-lap | mvanbaak: I looked at that query... all I can say is.... wow |
| 17:36.14 | mvanbaak | it's one of the most advanced queries I wrote yeah :) |
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| 17:37.23 | mvanbaak | and it works |
| 17:37.31 | mvanbaak | right now I have this comment in the code: |
| 17:37.51 | mvanbaak | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:38.15 | seanbright | app_rpt comes to mind |
| 17:38.59 | mvanbaak | seanbright: amen ! |
| 17:39.11 | mvanbaak | seanbright: but I did see some commits from jdixon on it |
| 17:39.23 | mvanbaak | in his usb branch |
| 17:39.40 | seanbright | yeah |
| 17:39.44 | mvanbaak | I wonder if he codes that on OpenBSD |
| 17:39.51 | seanbright | i'm just trolling |
| 17:41.20 | mvanbaak | if this is the same guy as jdixon here: http://www.dixongroup.net/ |
| 17:41.57 | putnopvut | mvanbaak: you'll probably meet him at Astricon. He was there last year, at least. |
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| 17:43.23 | mvanbaak | putnopvut: is it the person I think it is ? |
| 17:43.38 | putnopvut | I don't understand the question. |
| 17:44.18 | russellb | no, that would not be jdixon |
| 17:44.26 | jpeeler | codefreeze-lap: using a blind transfer i haven't even been testing against, i see that it suffers from the same problem that one touch parking did |
| 17:44.57 | russellb | mvanbaak: this would be jdixon's site ... http://www.zapatatelephony.org/ |
| 17:45.01 | codefreeze-lap | jpeeler: and that prob is? |
| 17:46.58 | jpeeler | well ok, i haven't checked for sure yet. if it is the same, it is the pbx thread and parking thread both racing to hangup the same channel |
| 17:48.11 | jpeeler | but this is when you hangup during the announcement |
| 17:48.33 | jpeeler | shouldn't be having problems just doing a park while patiently waiting for the announcement to finish |
| 17:49.22 | codefreeze-lap | jpeeler: ah, ok, I didn't try to hang up. I expected MOH on the parked line; no such. Park isn't working. |
| 17:50.19 | jpeeler | i can't reproduce that here |
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| 17:50.42 | mvanbaak | russellb: ah, another jdixon |
| 17:50.58 | mvanbaak | russellb: now it makes sense |
| 17:51.04 | jpeeler | but i will start investigating solving all the early hangup problems |
| 17:51.15 | jpeeler | goes to lunch |
| 17:52.12 | codefreeze-lap | jpeeler: call me on the phone (307-754-5675 x 3) when you get back. |
| 17:52.31 | russellb | phone!! |
| 17:52.33 | russellb | eep |
| 17:53.02 | codefreeze-lap | russellb: I hate resorting to old tech, but hey! :) |
| 17:53.56 | russellb | codefreeze-lap: we have this new communication technology called .... text |
| 17:53.58 | mvanbaak | we hate phones |
| 17:54.06 | russellb | it's far more advanced and real-time than phones |
| 17:54.32 | mvanbaak | checks the status of his creditcard |
| 17:56.07 | codefreeze-lap | mvanbaak: just give me all the numbers, and I'll check it for ya! :) |
| 17:56.18 | mvanbaak | ;) |
| 17:56.35 | codefreeze-lap | wonders at the data rate for tongue vs. pinkies |
| 17:57.23 | mvanbaak | I type faster then I talk |
| 17:57.26 | mvanbaak | I think |
| 17:57.28 | mvanbaak | ;) |
| 17:57.46 | mvanbaak | ah wel, 3 more days and you'll know :) |
| 17:59.09 | codefreeze-lap | mvanbaak: in 3 days? |
| 18:00.12 | mvanbaak | then I'll go to PHX |
| 18:00.24 | codefreeze-lap | ahhhhhh |
| 18:00.52 | putnopvut | codefreeze-lap: how long would it take to drive from your house to Phoenix? |
| 18:01.17 | outtolunc | wonders if the unlimited miles on the rental in TX are truly unlimited <G> |
| 18:01.20 | mvanbaak | less then it takes from my place |
| 18:01.22 | codefreeze-lap | Did it in April. Two solid days of driving, with overnight in So. Utah |
| 18:01.59 | putnopvut | Oh, that's a lot further than I was imagining. you must live pretty far north in WY. |
| 18:02.30 | codefreeze-lap | A half hour drive from the Montana border |
| 18:02.35 | putnopvut | so yes :) |
| 18:02.39 | mvanbaak | I hope the bordercontrol allows amphetamine |
| 18:03.06 | mvanbaak | 16 hour flight, and then it's 7 PM monday |
| 18:03.15 | mvanbaak | I'll be dead on tuesday morning |
| 18:03.22 | putnopvut | The joys of flying long distances. |
| 18:03.52 | mvanbaak | I'll have 4 hours at chicago airport |
| 18:03.55 | codefreeze-lap | mvanbaak: the border guys usually balk at containers with more than 10,000 capsules, I'm sure! |
| 18:03.58 | mvanbaak | anything I should see there ? |
| 18:04.15 | russellb | mvanbaak: you're acting like you're excited or something |
| 18:04.36 | mvanbaak | lol |
| 18:04.43 | putnopvut | mvanbaak: marvel at how windy it is and how fat everyone is. |
| 18:05.49 | mvanbaak | russellb: it's just that I'm going to meet you ! |
| 18:05.55 | mvanbaak | hides |
| 18:06.00 | russellb | lol |
| 18:06.52 | mvanbaak | still have to grab me one of those poweroutlet convertors |
| 18:07.21 | mvanbaak | I'll fix that this saturday |
| 18:07.37 | mvanbaak | my thinkpad powersupply is already detecting 110/230v |
| 18:08.36 | mvanbaak | ok, other story |
| 18:08.53 | mvanbaak | why did noone reply on my appdocsxml post to -dev ? ;-) |
| 18:10.08 | putnopvut | mvanbaak: because you smell funny? |
| 18:10.24 | mvanbaak | hey ! |
| 18:10.38 | mvanbaak | I took a shower @newyear ! |
| 18:13.33 | mvanbaak | if only all applications would see ^h as backspace |
| 18:18.31 | russellb | mvanbaak: i am behind on lists ... travel has me busy++ |
| 18:18.39 | mvanbaak | yay, appdocsxml branch compiles without trouble on OpenBSD |
| 18:18.55 | mvanbaak | russellb: no problem. |
| 18:19.05 | mvanbaak | we just think the branch is ready for the public |
| 18:19.09 | russellb | but i am very happy that the project has come this far |
| 18:19.24 | mvanbaak | when it comes to documentation |
| 18:19.35 | mvanbaak | a lot of other things can be done in the future |
| 18:22.57 | mvanbaak | I think I'll be off to watch a movie |
| 18:23.05 | mvanbaak | it has been a long week already |
| 18:23.18 | mvanbaak | and it's only thursday evening |
| 18:27.15 | mvanbaak | latero all |
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| 18:58.08 | eliel | jsmith: back again, so, do you want note/warning and which other type of element in the documentation, and they are at the same level as <para> elements? how should we print it when showing the asterisk documentation? |
| 18:58.33 | jsmith | Yes, yes, and definitely! |
| 18:58.49 | jsmith | The idea is that they're a special paragraph that stands out and says, "Hey, take note!" |
| 18:59.03 | jsmith | eliel: Do you happen to have a copy of the O'Reilly book on Asterisk? |
| 18:59.16 | eliel | yes |
| 18:59.21 | jsmith | eliel: Which edition? |
| 18:59.24 | eliel | 1.4 |
| 18:59.26 | eliel | second |
| 18:59.45 | jsmith | OK... turn to page 12 |
| 18:59.53 | jsmith | You see the little section with the paw-print? |
| 19:00.00 | jsmith | (about a third of the way down the page) |
| 19:00.18 | jsmith | That's an example of an admonition in DocBook |
| 19:00.35 | jsmith | They're typically either a note or warning |
| 19:01.24 | jsmith | I would expect notes to be paragraphs with a little different styling to set them apart, and warnings to be *very* visible, like printed in bold red and have lots of special characters around them or something to really make them stand out |
| 19:01.37 | eliel | ok, let me see, and what means the 'implies' attribute in an option element? |
| 19:12.50 | eliel | page 12? in chapter 2= |
| 19:12.50 | eliel | ? |
| 19:17.38 | jsmith | eliel: Yes, or the one at the very top of page 13 |
| 19:18.30 | eliel | jsmith: ok, I got it |
| 19:19.11 | jsmith | Maybe we draw a box around warnings and notes... I don't know the best way to format them in plain text |
| 19:19.15 | jsmith | Maybe just something like: |
| 19:19.19 | jsmith | === |
| 19:19.21 | jsmith | WARNING! |
| 19:19.23 | jsmith | === |
| 19:19.35 | jsmith | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:19.37 | jsmith | === |
| 19:20.02 | jsmith | (and with warnings, print the word "WARNING" in bold red so that it really stands out |
| 19:20.43 | eliel | ok, i will start working on this |
| 19:22.58 | jsmith | As for the "implies", I think that means "If you use option X, it means you're also implicitly using option Y as well" |
| 19:23.15 | jsmith | But I have no idea on how to format that in the text |
| 19:23.31 | jsmith | We might just have to *not* format that, and make sure that the text explains that. |
| 19:30.00 | eliel | jsmith: ok, but we allow that attribute |
| 19:30.17 | eliel | we just dont print it |
| 19:30.29 | jsmith | eliel: OK, that sounds good |
| 19:37.58 | eliel | I see things like this: <note><para> something </para></note> I think a <note> node should be the same as a para node containing only <filename>,<emphasis>,etc |
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| 19:42.28 | tzafrir_laptop | jsmith, is this something that might go to the logs? |
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| 19:46.18 | eliel | tzafrir_laptop: the <warning>? no |
| 19:46.30 | kotique | hey guys. I see a lot of good linux coders here ;) Could you tell me, how can I track what process is sending a signal to another process and also, how do I get who's openning a particular file ? |
| 19:47.27 | tzafrir_laptop | you can't, and lsof |
| 19:48.41 | kotique | lsof shows what files are opened while it's executing, but I need to know who had accessed and then closed the file :/ |
| 19:49.28 | bkruse | eliel: Heh, sorry for the delayed response, I have been sick :( But as mvanbaak said, you can delete that patch |
| 19:51.37 | eliel | bkruse: already done, :-) thanks |
| 19:51.50 | jsmith | tzafrir_laptop: Why would it go to the logs? I'm not following |
| 19:52.08 | tzafrir_laptop | eliel, aren't there existing docbook->text converters? |
| 19:52.25 | jsmith | eliel: A <note> should be at the same level as a paragraph, but may contain one ore more <para>s |
| 19:52.31 | tzafrir_laptop | jsmith, I probably got the wrong context |
| 19:52.50 | jsmith | tzafrir_laptop: Sure, but not any that fit with Asterisk's formatting (especially with regards to ANSI formatting for the CLI) |
| 19:55.14 | tzafrir_laptop | Looks a bit of over-exclamation to me |
| 19:55.30 | tzafrir_laptop | Asterisk has too many big fat warnings |
| 19:56.14 | tzafrir_laptop | You grow to ignore them |
| 19:56.25 | tzafrir_laptop | Expecially if you can't fix them immediately |
| 20:00.58 | jsmith | tzafrir_laptop: These aren't warning that pop up when you run an application, these are warnings in the online help |
| 20:01.19 | jsmith | tzafrir_laptop: And just because a person doesn't read them doesn't mean they don't need to be documented |
| 20:02.41 | tzafrir_laptop | The '===' lines take extra screen space |
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| 20:03.16 | tzafrir_laptop | So basically you optimize it for those who don't read. Who won't read it anyway |
| 20:03.32 | jsmith | I'm completely open to suggestions on other ways to format it so that they're useful for those who do read warnings |
| 20:03.33 | tzafrir_laptop | (yeah, that was over-simplistic) |
| 20:03.43 | jsmith | I'm not saying mine is the only way or even the best way to do it |
| 20:03.46 | jsmith | It's just *one* way |
| 20:04.06 | jsmith | (and at the same time, I was trying to point out the purpose of the admonitions) |
| 20:04.14 | tzafrir_laptop | asciidoc's way is (but in html) |
| 20:04.35 | tzafrir_laptop | NOTE: bla bla bla bla bla bla |
| 20:04.43 | tzafrir_laptop | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:04.56 | tzafrir_laptop | This assumes a fixed font |
| 20:05.08 | eliel | tzafrir_laptop: docbook->text dont know |
| 20:05.53 | jsmith | tzafrir_laptop: I'm fine with that, as long as it's not too difficult for eliel to code |
| 20:06.00 | tzafrir_laptop | What do other docbook -> text formatters do? |
| 20:06.42 | eliel | thats ok, and the warning message? |
| 20:07.13 | kotique | linux audit system helped me |
| 20:07.14 | kotique | wheeeeeeeeeeee |
| 20:07.42 | eliel | jsmith: I think that notes should have on CDATA |
| 20:08.07 | jsmith | eliel: No, I'd rather see them have <paras>. and the <para>s have CDATA |
| 20:08.32 | jsmith | eliel: In other words, I want structured text inside of a note just like you'd need it outside of a note |
| 20:10.58 | eliel | ok, closing this discussion we will have: <para> <note> <warning>, a <note> and <waning> can appear in every place that a <para> is appearing right now, a <note> and <warning> MUST have a <para> element inside it. |
| 20:11.20 | eliel | a <note> element will be printed as: |
| 20:11.26 | eliel | NOTE: some notes |
| 20:11.30 | eliel | continue with the note. |
| 20:11.43 | eliel | a <warning> message will be printed: |
| 20:11.56 | eliel | WARNING!!!: some warning message |
| 20:12.03 | eliel | continue with the warning message.... |
| 20:13.17 | eliel | Everyone agree or i am missing something? |
| 20:13.23 | jsmith | You've got my vote! |
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| 20:17.15 | Corydon76-dig | eliel: as long as it's not set in stone, sure |
| 20:17.41 | Corydon76-dig | eliel: I think once we see these in practice, we'll want to have tweaks done, but it's a reasonable start |
| 20:18.12 | eliel | i am trying to code all as general and "in code configurable" as possible |
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| 20:47.49 | jpeeler | codefreeze-lap: have you found anything interesting? |
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| 21:39.37 | Cresl1n | jumps up and down |
| 21:40.09 | putnopvut | Cresl1n: you silly goose |
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| 21:48.27 | therule | hello anybody here who can help me please? |
| 21:48.35 | therule | im new to asterisk and i have a problem |
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| 21:53.32 | russellb | therule: #asterisk please |
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| 22:11.56 | jpeeler | i may be totally confused, but can naptr records point to srv records? |
| 22:13.15 | putnopvut | jpeeler: no idea, pal. |
| 22:13.44 | Cresl1n | jumps up and down |
| 22:13.55 | russellb | does a backflip |
| 22:14.41 | jpeeler | at least i have a pal :) |
| 22:14.43 | seanbright | i'd bet $50 you couldn't do an actual backflip |
| 22:14.50 | seanbright | any takers? |
| 22:15.06 | mog | thinks russell could do it |
| 22:15.14 | mog | from like a 2 story building |
| 22:15.16 | mog | into a pool |
| 22:15.18 | seanbright | heh |
| 22:15.53 | seanbright | i could only do it if a 'backflip' had something to do with smoking, drinking coffee, and laying on the couch. |
| 22:16.02 | jpeeler | depends if wall use is prohibited |
| 22:16.56 | russellb | i make no claims about my ability or inability to do a backflip. |
| 22:17.01 | seanbright | i win |
| 22:17.03 | russellb | expressed or implied |
| 22:17.23 | russellb | (hell no, i can't do a backflip ...) |
| 22:17.23 | file | russellb: hi |
| 22:17.25 | seanbright | sues russellb |
| 22:17.26 | russellb | file: hi2u2 |
| 22:17.35 | russellb | seanbright: denied |
| 22:18.09 | seanbright | ok, to dinner i go. |
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| 23:46.07 | snuff-work | Qwell: ping? |
| 23:46.31 | file | he does not appear to be online |
| 23:47.28 | snuff-work | mm.. just noticed a gtalk-jingle merge branch in his svn dir wondered if he was still going to work on it |
| 23:50.10 | lmadsen | not that I know of |
| 23:50.50 | snuff-work | first i need to fix refcount issues over my jabber code then its onto more pain with the gtalk/jingle conv :) |
| 23:51.43 | lmadsen | oh good times :) |
| 23:52.27 | snuff-work | if the xml format is finalised then i might also do some of that conversion to keep me from going nuts |
| 23:53.10 | lmadsen | snuff-work: so what is it you do that allows you to do a bunch of asterisk development? |
| 23:53.13 | jsmith | snuff-work: It's not 100% finalized, but it's good enough to start moving applications over to it |
| 23:53.34 | lmadsen | maybe I'll be able to help at astridevcon in doing some of that conversion |
| 23:54.08 | lmadsen | I'm really hoping to get a lot of things done at astricon since I won't be distracted with consulting calls... but we'll see... I always have big plans, but no follow through for various reasons. AstriCon is busy. |
| 23:54.10 | snuff-work | i'm working at a consultancy.. but do nights on ast code |
| 23:57.10 | snuff-work | or try to occasionally |
| 23:57.28 | snuff-work | on weekends i get bored.. which makes it good time to do the easy stuff like xml conv |
| 23:57.45 | lmadsen | ah gotcha, makes sense :) |
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