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| 07:38.56 | schmidts | good morning |
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| 10:39.32 | snuff-home | mmmm... have ppl tried 'better backtrace' on many distros? |
| 10:40.31 | kaii | what is "better backtrace"? |
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| 10:44.06 | snuff-home | its a build option |
| 10:46.19 | snuff-home | or i should say a 'compile option' i think its called in the menuselect list |
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| 12:48.39 | leifmadsen | snuff-home: I haven't tried it yet. It was a feature added by Corydon76-home fairly recently. |
| 12:49.14 | leifmadsen | I think Tilghman mentioned something about some issue with requiring dev-mode or something on RH based distros (and is a bug that should be fixed) |
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| 14:12.43 | BMJ | Asterisk SCF Developer Conference Call starting at 10:00 AM EST. Information here: https://wiki.asterisk.org/wiki/display/TOP/Asterisk+SCF+Weekly+Developer+Conference+Call |
| 14:17.20 | leifmadsen | grrrr, of course I have all sorts of things planned today |
| 14:17.44 | leifmadsen | I can probably listen for 15 mins here, then just listen on my cell phone in the car on the way to the chiropractor |
| 14:19.05 | BMJ | leifmadsen: No sweat, Leif. We're doing the Asterisk Developer Call at 5:00 EST today. |
| 14:19.39 | leifmadsen | oooooh! |
| 14:19.50 | leifmadsen | well I can't make that one either because I have a jam session with a buddy of mine at that time, lol |
| 14:20.11 | leifmadsen | guess I scheduled too much stuff for today |
| 14:20.15 | BMJ | leifmadsen: They're happening weekly, so we can catch you next time. ;-) |
| 14:20.26 | leifmadsen | yep for sure, I should be able to make it next Thursday |
| 14:20.38 | leifmadsen | are they being recorded and distributed? |
| 14:20.54 | BMJ | leifmadsen: posted to the wiki |
| 14:21.05 | leifmadsen | awesome |
| 14:21.30 | leifmadsen | are you planning on having new pages for each week so people can comment and discuss the recording/presentations after the fact? |
| 14:21.42 | leifmadsen | perhaps I mean "considering" rather than "planning" |
| 14:22.52 | BMJ | leifmadsen: yeah. https://wiki.asterisk.org/wiki/display/TOP/Asterisk+SCF+Developer+Call+-+01272011+-+1000+EST |
| 14:22.56 | leifmadsen | awesome |
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| 14:23.06 | leifmadsen | I like your moxie kid |
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| 15:45.07 | evangelion | hello |
| 15:45.48 | evangelion | is it possible to get the name of the outgoing/slave channel in a SIP-UA->asterisk->SIP-UA call even if the Dial() command fail? |
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| 15:50.10 | kpfleming | if Dial fails, there is no outgoing channel |
| 15:52.54 | evangelion | kpfleming: ${HASH(SIP_CAUSE,<slave-channel-name>)} allow you to get the SIP response code |
| 15:53.05 | kpfleming | but that is not a channel name |
| 15:53.20 | kpfleming | oh wait... i misread your statement |
| 15:53.29 | kpfleming | i have no idea how that is supposed to be used :-) |
| 15:53.37 | Corydon76-home | Or more specifically, it is of a channel that no longer exists |
| 15:53.43 | evangelion | anyway it's pretty useless if you can use it only for anwered call |
| 15:54.06 | evangelion | Corydon76-home: can i access the channel during the Dial()? |
| 15:54.37 | Corydon76-home | That depends upon what you're using for access |
| 15:54.51 | evangelion | the M switch does not work! the macro is executed after the call is answered! |
| 15:54.52 | Corydon76-home | AMI, yes. M() or U() parameter, if the slave channel answers, yes |
| 15:55.13 | Corydon76-home | Anything else, no |
| 15:55.33 | evangelion | M() parameter does not work! the macro is executed after the call is answered! |
| 15:55.50 | Corydon76-home | Correct, but before the call is bridged |
| 15:56.40 | Corydon76-home | A status variable set during that dialplan can still prevent the bridge from occurring |
| 15:57.27 | evangelion | so there's no way to access the slave-channel if Dial() fails =( |
| 15:59.57 | Corydon76-home | Once Dial fails, the slave channel(s) no longer exists |
| 16:00.33 | evangelion | Corydon76-home: ack! i understand what you mean! |
| 16:00.58 | Corydon76-home | The purpose of the HASH() is to retrieve information about each slave channel that was generated by the Dial |
| 16:01.03 | evangelion | anyway i would like to catch the SIP Response string from the called party |
| 16:01.15 | evangelion | oh! |
| 16:01.19 | Corydon76-home | (because more than one channel can be dialed concurrently) |
| 16:02.15 | evangelion | but the channel does not exists any lomnger, so HASH() can't find it |
| 16:02.25 | Corydon76-home | Why not? |
| 16:02.47 | evangelion | because Dial() failed! |
| 16:02.57 | Corydon76-home | HASH() accesses a static string set on the original channel. It does not depend upon the slave channel still existing |
| 16:03.10 | evangelion | i want to get the SIP Response Code from the salve channel |
| 16:03.14 | evangelion | so i need to access it |
| 16:03.17 | kpfleming | but you need to know the name of the channel when it existed |
| 16:03.49 | Corydon76-home | You need to know the full name of the slave channel, with suffix, which is probably what you failed to specify |
| 16:03.55 | evangelion | but that's not possible since slave-channel is deleted after Dial() command failed |
| 16:04.12 | evangelion | ops! my fault! |
| 16:04.32 | Corydon76-home | However, you can use HASHKEYS() to retrieve that name |
| 16:04.46 | evangelion | ack! i get the slave channel name during the execution of the M($FOO) Macro |
| 16:05.41 | Corydon76-home | You don't specifically need to know the slave channel name beforehand. Just use HASHKEYS to retrieve the value, then retrieve the SIP response code from the HASH() |
| 16:06.25 | evangelion | ok! i'm giving it a try |
| 16:06.42 | Corydon76-home | Only caveat is that if you dialed multiple destinations, you'd need to iterate over the values returned from HASHKEYS |
| 16:08.09 | Corydon76-home | The fact that there may be multiple destinations is the reason we needed to use a HASH() to store the response codes, instead of just using a single variable |
| 16:09.59 | Corydon76-home | and while we know in the Dial whether there is one destination or multiple, we don't know that in the slave channel, when we set the SIP response code in the HASH() |
| 16:11.02 | Corydon76-home | IOW, a slave knows its master, but does not know if the master has other slaves |
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| 16:55.03 | evangelion | it works ( somehow ) |
| 16:55.09 | evangelion | anyway it's TTL |
| 16:55.14 | evangelion | thank you Corydon76-home |
| 17:06.38 | marv | I don't understand the "poorly designed autodialers" part of the comment on r304384 by jpeeler. How else would an autodialer know to start playing it's message? |
| 17:07.15 | Qwell | marv: machine detection |
| 17:07.39 | Qwell | if there's a second or two of audio, followed by silence, it's probably a human |
| 17:07.57 | Qwell | otherwise, it's a voicemail/answering machine, IVR, MoH, etc |
| 17:09.24 | Corydon76-home | "Welcome to Tilghman's residence, this is the technical support department, thank you for not smoking, have a nice day, and how may I help you? |
| 17:09.51 | Qwell | OR, people could just stop using autodialers. :) |
| 17:09.57 | Qwell | I'd much prefer that alternative. |
| 17:10.12 | Corydon76-home | Qwell: unlikely, profit is the motive |
| 17:10.28 | WIMPy | Or you don't answer your phone within the forst 10 seconds which seems to be some sort of default timeout. |
| 17:11.18 | Qwell | Corydon76-home: if you get time, you might be interested in M17013 |
| 17:11.21 | MuffinMan | [assigned] [Asterisk] General 0017013: ./configure -help describes wrong default behavior reported by klaus3000 https://issues.asterisk.org/view.php?id=17013 |
| 17:13.57 | Corydon76-home | Qwell: Nah, don't really care |
| 17:14.56 | Corydon76-home | As long as autoconf works... |
| 17:15.16 | Qwell | yeah.. I figured working is much better than a help message that's been wrong since forever |
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| 19:32.34 | seanbright | dumb question... can two instances of asterisk running on the same box use the same transcoder (via /dev/dahdi/transcode) |
| 19:36.56 | Qwell | unlikely |
| 19:37.00 | sruffell | hmm...I haven't tried that, but should be able to. The "dahdi_tc_open" doesn't prevent multiple processes from opening the /dev/dahdi/transcode device... |
| 19:37.21 | sruffell | since it's in the alloc ioctl where the actual resource is assigned to the file desciptor. |
| 19:40.35 | sruffell | seanbright: you know where you might get hung up....is that codec_dahdi believes that it knows how many transcoders are available....that information wouldn't be shared between two instances of asterisk. |
| 19:40.47 | seanbright | sruffell: can you ask the card for that info? |
| 19:41.21 | sruffell | yes...it is currently as part of the setup, but not each time you do "transcoder show" |
| 19:41.23 | sruffell | it's cached. |
| 19:41.31 | sruffell | (I believe..just going off memory here) |
| 19:41.41 | seanbright | alright, cool |
| 19:41.44 | sruffell | so what I *think* would happen, is both instances would think they had 120 channels. |
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| 20:52.02 | BMJ | Asterisk Developer Conference Call starting at 5:00 PM EST. Info here: https://wiki.asterisk.org/wiki/display/AST/Asterisk+Weekly+Developer+Conference+Call |
| 20:54.52 | Qwell | BMJ: Might be worth posting that in #asterisk as well. There are some people who might not be here because they aren't really "developers", but listening may be useful to them nonetheless. |
| 20:55.22 | BMJ | Qwell: Consider it done |
| 21:08.09 | Corydon76-home | BMJ: I'm getting ICMP destination unreachable messages to that host when I try to place that call |
| 21:08.31 | Corydon76-home | err, from that host |
| 21:10.50 | BMJ | Corydon76-home: Use the skype channel if you'd prefer. Bridge will not open until 4:45 PM EST. |
| 21:11.09 | Corydon76-home | BMJ: I'd actually prefer IAX2 |
| 21:12.08 | BMJ | Corydon76-home: I will get IAX2 support added before next week's call |
| 21:12.10 | WIMPy | can connect, but unlike 10 minutes ago there seems to be some massive packet loss now. |
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| 21:12.44 | Corydon76-home | As of right now, the lack of audio means I won't participate in the call, as it's too much work to figure out what's wrong, and I have other priorities |
| 21:13.45 | Corydon76-home | Last time we did dev calls (at night, a few years ago), I'm pretty sure it was exclusively IAX2. |
| 21:16.04 | kpfleming | until someone setup a PSTN and SIP bridge into it.. which they did, because otherwise lots of people were unable to participate |
| 21:16.23 | BMJ | Corydon76-home: Please feel free to use toll free #. |
| 21:17.37 | Corydon76-home | kpfleming: as I recall, the only complaint about the devcall was the time, in that it was the middle of the night for Europe |
| 21:17.56 | kpfleming | memory is a funny thing |
| 21:18.17 | Corydon76-home | oej was the main complainant |
| 21:19.09 | BMJ | Corydon76-home: This call staggers morning / evening week-to-week for that reason |
| 21:19.16 | Corydon76-home | but we had Mark Spencer on the call regularly, which tells you something else about how long ago it was |
| 21:20.04 | Corydon76-home | IIRC, it was originally on twisted's server, then moved to bkw's server |
| 21:20.59 | Corydon76-home | It was definitely pre-func_odbc... probably pre-1.0, too |
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| 21:51.21 | BMJ | Asterisk Developer call bridge now open |
| 21:51.42 | TheDavidFactor | on it, wanted to get a good seat at the back of the room so I don't get called on ;-) |
| 21:51.55 | BMJ | https://wiki.asterisk.org/wiki/display/AST/Asterisk+Weekly+Developer+Conference+Call |
| 21:52.56 | malcolmd | TheDavidFactor: is that you waiving your hand around in the back of the room saying "pick me, pick me" ?? ;) |
| 21:53.41 | TheDavidFactor | heh, I don't have a working mic so I can't respond vocally, but I can type :-D |
| 21:55.00 | Corydon76-home | BMJ: the toll-free number is asking for a conference room number |
| 21:55.07 | malcolmd | well, RAISE YOUR VOICE if you need something ;) |
| 21:55.09 | malcolmd | Corydon76-home: 15071 |
| 21:55.13 | malcolmd | pin: 35806 |
| 21:55.32 | BMJ | That information is in the invite. Bridge 15071 PIN 35806 |
| 21:56.32 | Corydon76-home | Yeah, the ics file won't open properly for me |
| 21:56.46 | TheDavidFactor | sounds like the room's filling up fast :-) |
| 22:01.41 | russellb | waves to the room. |
| 22:01.48 | TheDavidFactor | waves back |
| 22:01.55 | Marquis42 | ohai russellb |
| 22:02.37 | russellb | does a little dance |
| 22:03.18 | Qwell | woo, kitchen! |
| 22:03.22 | russellb | lol. |
| 22:03.31 | malcolmd | need a snack? kitchen's got it |
| 22:03.50 | russellb | even the kitchen sink called in. |
| 22:03.59 | bbryant | lol |
| 22:04.01 | Qwell | wonders if it's a server kitchen |
| 22:04.49 | malcolmd | it's martha, she's really busy, so she had to dial in while she was baking some cookies |
| 22:09.58 | russellb | https://wiki.asterisk.org/wiki/display/AST/Media+Architecture+Proposal |
| 22:10.05 | putnopvut | russellb beat me to it :) |
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| 22:19.52 | seanbright | i'm not in the room |
| 22:19.56 | seanbright | you're all idiots |
| 22:19.59 | pabelanger | BMJ: Not sure if you seen this from this morning, but it would be cool to use a IRC bot to help document the progress of the meeting |
| 22:19.59 | seanbright | please share with everyone |
| 22:20.00 | seanbright | heh |
| 22:20.01 | pabelanger | EG: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScribesTeam/MootBot |
| 22:20.27 | russellb | http://bamboo.asterisk.org |
| 22:24.36 | pabelanger | how many people on the conference? |
| 22:25.18 | The_Boy_Wonder | i am |
| 22:25.23 | The_Boy_Wonder | i said stuff |
| 22:26.24 | TheDavidFactor | are the weeks duplicated or are just the times alternating? |
| 22:26.40 | Qwell | the times alternate |
| 22:28.28 | Qwell | the way Allison said "The leader has left the conference." made me think of the episode of The Simpsons. "We love The Leader..." |
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| 22:29.57 | erinspice | I was listening |
| 22:31.53 | pabelanger | Qwell: leader, leader, leader, leader, leader, leader, leader, leader, BATMAN! |
| 22:32.08 | Qwell | exactly |
| 22:46.50 | Corydon76-home | trifle bit awkward |
| 22:47.58 | Corydon76-home | Something that may help in the future would be a list of projects, and ask the question of participants what they think is most important to arrive in the next version |
| 22:48.09 | Corydon76-home | Spark a discussion |
| 22:50.49 | WIMPy | So you want to set up a liquid feedback? ;-) |
| 23:17.00 | Corydon76-home | WIMPy: It doesn't feel like a developer conference call unless there's actually a discussion |
| 23:18.06 | Corydon76-home | What you really want on a dev call is "hey, here's this thing I'm working on in my spare time." and "Wow, was thinking about that, how are you dealing with the problem of X?" |
| 23:19.42 | Corydon76-home | Another fun thing that used to happen on dev conf calls was playback of ridiculous things they got Allison to say. |
| 23:20.11 | Corydon76-home | "To hear a toilet flush, press..." |
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