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| 07:16.13 | oej | Morning folks |
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| 07:19.48 | schmidts | good morning |
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| 09:07.28 | oej | Hmm Trunk doesn't compile on OS/X again. |
| 09:32.16 | schmidts | oej is OS/X broken again :D |
| 09:42.22 | oej | Mmm |
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| 14:39.14 | acidfoo | https://www.blogher.com/defcon-why-conference-harassment-matters |
| 14:39.34 | acidfoo | http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Anti-harassment_policy_resources |
| 14:41.50 | russellb | orly |
| 14:48.48 | leifmadsen | luckily that hasn't been an issue at astricon afaik |
| 14:49.11 | leifmadsen | since I got fat no one has hit on me at astricon :) |
| 14:49.27 | jsmith | acidfoo: Unfortunately, it's more complicated that it might seem |
| 14:50.00 | jsmith | acidfoo: Let's just say that actually having a strong anit-harassment policy can bring additional legal risk to those organizing a conference, which is very unfortunate :-( |
| 14:50.44 | jsmith | Typically not as big of a deal for commercial conferences, but for open source conferences, it can be an issue |
| 14:52.21 | mjordan | jsmith: mind explaining how a strong anti-harassment policy brings additional legal risk? Not disagreeing, but curious. |
| 14:52.58 | acidfoo | yeah, I'm not much aware of these issues, I never organized a conference myself, but I think that to leverage awareness about these kind things to the people attending a conference might be an easy step |
| 14:52.58 | jsmith | mjordan: OK, but first let me preface this with "I'm not an attorney. This is not legal advice... I could be spouting nonsense" |
| 14:53.04 | acidfoo | if a full policy can't be put in place |
| 14:53.30 | jsmith | So, let imagine for a second that some open-source minded folks wanted to put together a conference -- let's call it SuperHyperMegaCon |
| 14:53.57 | jsmith | and, being friendly folks, they wanted to have a strong anti-harassment policy for their conference |
| 14:54.55 | jsmith | All is fine and dandy, until the day of their conference arrives, when Bob says or does something that Alice finds harrassing |
| 14:55.39 | jsmith | The SuperHyperMegaCon, being somewhat disorganized, didn't have a good plan in place on how to deal with an infraction of the policy |
| 14:56.10 | jsmith | Or, the next year, didn't check people's IDs at the door to make sure Bob didn't come again |
| 14:56.34 | jsmith | Those sorts of things bring all kinds of additional legal liabilities, according to the attorneys I've talked to |
| 14:57.07 | jsmith | I've been advised that having a policy and not effectively dealling with it is worse than not having a policy at all |
| 14:57.15 | mjordan | jsmith: that I'd agree with |
| 14:57.19 | kpfleming | that is generally true for many things |
| 14:57.35 | jsmith | and most people simply want to slap up a policy without being ready to deal with consequences |
| 14:58.06 | jsmith | Hence my generalized statement that "it's more complicated than it might seem" |
| 14:58.40 | jsmith | Just like anything else, it's probably wise to seek competent legal advice for your particular situation |
| 14:58.51 | leifmadsen | "We have the right to refuse you entry for any reason whatsoever. This is a dictatorship, not a democracy. Thank you for attending." |
| 14:59.31 | mjordan | that'd go over real well with certain people :-) |
| 15:00.02 | leifmadsen | :) |
| 15:16.37 | acidfoo | http://singlevoice.net/redyellow-card-project/ hehe |
| 15:20.20 | acidfoo | jsmith, thanks for you explanation |
| 15:20.20 | acidfoo | your* |
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| 15:38.34 | oej | The american legal system . . . |
| 15:39.02 | oej | Found a bug in Safe_asterisk |
| 15:39.59 | jsmith | oej: If only my legal hacking skills were as good as my Asterisk dialplan hacking skills :-p |
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| 19:31.22 | pabelanger | word |
| 19:31.42 | pabelanger | any recent fixes for chan_sip and inband DTMF not processing properly? |
| 19:31.51 | pabelanger | about to start checking svn for recent fixes |
| 19:49.00 | pabelanger | wow, running 1.8.7.1 configure on my laptop just caused *** buffer overflow detected *** |
| 19:49.14 | pabelanger | time to run a mem check |
| 19:49.56 | jsmith | Nice... |
| 19:50.16 | jsmith | FWIW, I'm seeing weird segfaults on 1.8.15.0 :-/ |
| 19:52.03 | seanbright | pabelanger: i saw something about that today |
| 19:52.55 | seanbright | hmmm, maybe i was looking at older logs |
| 19:53.04 | pabelanger | http://pastebin.com/EZj6uy1b |
| 19:53.07 | pabelanger | seanbright: like this^ |
| 19:53.41 | seanbright | oh, no, i was talking about the inband dtmf stuff |
| 19:54.06 | seanbright | r328935 is the most recent |
| 19:54.23 | pabelanger | O IC |
| 19:54.41 | seanbright | that is from july of last year though, so i doubt it's relevant |
| 19:55.28 | pabelanger | seanbright: Ya, I seen that one a few minutes ago, looks like specific to 1.8.6 |
| 19:55.41 | pabelanger | I'm going to roll back to previous of that commit and see what happens |
| 19:55.47 | pabelanger | I have some hopes that is the issue |
| 20:12.39 | mjordan | jsmith: really? do you have a backtrace? |
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| 20:36.56 | jsmith | mjordan: Yeah, but it's not very useful -- I'm going to try to get them to rebuild with DONT_OPTIMIZE on this server, and hope we can catch it again |
| 20:37.17 | jsmith | mjordan: (They didn't even have the debug symbols for glibc installed, so it's not useful at all) |
| 20:40.23 | mjordan | :-( |
| 20:40.44 | mjordan | 1.8.16.0 is still in RC, so if its a regression I'd like to catch it as fast as possible |
| 20:41.48 | leifmadsen | +1 :) |
| 20:41.56 | leifmadsen | I just built a new 1.8.15.0 RPM today |
| 20:42.38 | pabelanger | still on 1.8.7.1 here |
| 20:42.45 | pabelanger | no major issues for me so far |
| 20:42.50 | pabelanger | minus inband DTMF today |
| 20:51.28 | jsmith | leifmadsen: Do your RPMs strip off the debug symbols? |
| 20:51.36 | leifmadsen | ummm, I can't remember |
| 20:51.37 | jsmith | leifmadsen: Or put them in -debuginfo RPMs? |
| 20:51.46 | leifmadsen | I'll have to look at the spec file |
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| 22:04.41 | jsmith | mjordan: Ok, I'm uploading backtraces right now |
| 22:05.08 | jsmith | mjordan: Number one: http://fpaste.org/MPc4/ |
| 22:05.30 | jsmith | mjordan: Number two: http://fpaste.org/EZz7/ |
| 22:07.49 | jsmith | If anyone else feels like looking at my backtraces, I'd appreciate it |
| 22:09.39 | mjordan | jsmith: second one smells like a memory corruption, which is all sorts of disappointing. |
| 22:10.03 | jsmith | Right :-( |
| 22:12.55 | jsmith | mjordan: Any idea on the first one? |
| 22:13.28 | mjordan | jsmith: nope. That's the first backtrace I've seen where something blows up while queueing a connected line update |
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| 22:13.48 | jsmith | Oooh, fun... |
| 22:14.00 | mjordan | it looks like it was a local channel to a SIP channel, which is interesting |
| 22:14.31 | jsmith | FWIW, this is a moderately loaded box in production in a call center |
| 22:14.44 | jsmith | Around 50 concurrent calls (100 channels) at any given time |
| 22:15.01 | jsmith | Approximately 2/3 of the calls are SIP, the other third are PRI |
| 22:15.02 | mjordan | I'd say make issues for both, please. |
| 22:15.08 | jsmith | OK. Will do. |
| 22:15.23 | mjordan | If you can get the SIP configs for the connected line update blow up, that would also be useful |
| 22:15.34 | jsmith | I'm trying to get the glibc debug symbols installed in the meantime, for slightly more information in the backtraces |
| 22:15.41 | mjordan | the memory corruption.. ugh. It doesn't by chance have an ODBC connection to a SQLServer DB, does it? |
| 22:15.49 | mjordan | that would be nice |
| 22:15.50 | jsmith | No SQL server |
| 22:16.02 | jsmith | Not sure if we're using ODBC at all |
| 22:16.11 | jsmith | doesn't have direct access to the box in question yet |
| 22:16.14 | mjordan | k. That's the only memory corruption issue that I'm aware of right now |
| 22:16.32 | mjordan | (that was actually have a lock on what is going on with it, at any rate) |
| 22:16.36 | mjordan | s/was/we |
| 22:17.33 | jsmith | OK |
| 22:20.58 | jsmith | mjordan: First one is at ASTERISK-20226 |
| 22:22.52 | jsmith | mjordan: Second one at https://issues.asterisk.org/jira/browse/ASTERISK-20227 |
| 22:23.47 | mjordan | cool, thanks |
| 22:25.25 | jsmith | I'll try to get our SIP configs, or at least a sanitized version |
| 22:25.39 | jsmith | They're likely to be a bit big, as we have hundreds of agents in our call centers |
| 22:26.14 | mjordan | np |
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