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| 14:15.17 | cresl1n | Hello World |
| 14:15.41 | cresl1n | waves to gtjoseph |
| 14:15.51 | gtjoseph | waves back! |
| 14:23.25 | cresl1n | How's it going gtjoseph? |
| 14:23.39 | gtjoseph | Kinda ok. :) |
| 14:23.59 | gtjoseph | and you? |
| 14:23.59 | file | just hold on for the pizza |
| 14:24.04 | gtjoseph | exactly |
| 14:24.11 | cresl1n | pizza? |
| 14:24.18 | gtjoseph | it's friday |
| 14:24.18 | cresl1n | oh yeah! |
| 14:24.20 | file | cresl1n: it's Friday, thus pizza |
| 14:24.21 | cresl1n | Pizza friday! |
| 14:24.24 | cresl1n | yay! |
| 14:24.34 | gtjoseph | although it's better warm up before lunch |
| 14:24.39 | gtjoseph | it's only 21 now |
| 14:24.40 | cresl1n | If gtjoseph likes this pizza, I've gotta try it |
| 14:25.33 | gtjoseph | it has 4 food groups so it's gotta be good for you |
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| 20:34.18 | seanbright | tm1000: miss ya buddy. wanna hang soon. |
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| 20:36.36 | cresl1n | I like trains |
| 20:36.40 | cresl1n | pokes file |
| 20:36.59 | seanbright | so i'm thinknig of picking up my ephemeral dtls patch again |
| 20:37.07 | cresl1n | OOOOOOoooooh |
| 20:37.08 | seanbright | but i'm also thinking of not supporting chan_sip when i do |
| 20:37.10 | cresl1n | that'd be awesome |
| 20:37.25 | cresl1n | But the chan_sip part is your choice |
| 20:37.52 | seanbright | the inheritence from general to peer makes it cumbersome i think |
| 20:37.54 | cresl1n | I doubt we'll do chan_sip support |
| 20:38.03 | cresl1n | ok |
| 20:38.22 | seanbright | futzes |
| 20:46.07 | tm1000 | "but i'm also thinking of not supporting chan_sip when i do" seanbright lies |
| 20:46.19 | tm1000 | I heard you are the community maintainer of chan_sip seanbright |
| 20:46.27 | tm1000 | (Im going to say this forever) |
| 20:48.10 | seanbright | i will support it |
| 20:48.16 | seanbright | git rm channels/chan_sip.c |
| 20:48.19 | seanbright | there. supported. |
| 20:49.56 | kharwell | maybe we should rename it to chan_seanbright so people know who to contact directly |
| 20:50.33 | seanbright | everyone's a fucking comedian |
| 20:50.35 | seanbright | :P |
| 20:50.48 | file | what what |
| 20:51.14 | cresl1n | sends file some K-CupBop |
| 20:51.21 | file | eating it now |
| 21:11.01 | cresl1n | Anybody have any thought's on Nir's question on the -dev list? |
| 21:11.30 | cresl1n | I was trying to think if we have any modules that have be loaded for Asterisk to work |
| 21:11.44 | cresl1n | well, to launch, rather |
| 21:12.27 | file | not... really |
| 21:12.29 | file | to be useful, yes |
| 21:13.33 | seanbright | cresl1n: the "make astdb pluggable" thread? |
| 21:14.10 | coreyfarrell | I think the builtin sqlite3 would still need to be by default, with the ability to override and use a module (realtime or sorcery?) |
| 21:14.19 | seanbright | UGH |
| 21:14.34 | seanbright | err, i mean... cool |
| 21:14.56 | seanbright | do you like slower switches? cuz that's how you get slower switches. |
| 21:15.29 | file | Yes, existing would need to stay as it is behavior wise |
| 21:15.38 | cresl1n | coreyfarrell: you should post that to the thread :-) |
| 21:16.26 | coreyfarrell | even still using a module to provide astdb would be difficult.. astdb is read pretty early in the startup, not sure module 'preload' could be done early enough to support it. |
| 21:16.35 | cresl1n | yeah |
| 21:16.46 | cresl1n | maybe module isn't the right approach |
| 21:16.53 | cresl1n | well, "true" module |
| 21:16.53 | file | Did they elaborate why? I can't rexall |
| 21:16.55 | seanbright | configure flag |
| 21:16.58 | seanbright | or menuselect |
| 21:17.05 | seanbright | it's an internal DB |
| 21:17.28 | seanbright | or do we store things that are not necessarily internal in there? |
| 21:18.06 | file | Yeah that's always been my thought when such a thing has come up |
| 21:19.01 | seanbright | if we had an in-memory table that we stored internal data in, would this even be a discussion? |
| 21:19.24 | seanbright | i guess i should read the thread |
| 21:19.33 | cresl1n | as a substitute for sqllite? |
| 21:19.46 | coreyfarrell | the point of astdb is to persist between restarts so an in-memory table wouldn't do it. |
| 21:19.52 | cresl1n | yeah |
| 21:20.17 | seanbright | so freepbx is using the DB* functions |
| 21:20.27 | seanbright | so they should switch to the ODBC ones |
| 21:20.30 | seanbright | problem solved |
| 21:20.36 | seanbright | tm1000: ^^^ get on it |
| 21:20.55 | cresl1n | it's used internally too |
| 21:21.02 | cresl1n | or at least it used to be |
| 21:21.17 | cresl1n | various other modules |
| 21:21.18 | seanbright | used internally to what? asterisk? |
| 21:21.22 | cresl1n | I think chan_dahdi used to use it |
| 21:21.27 | cresl1n | IIRC chan_sip used it? |
| 21:21.30 | seanbright | if it is used for book keeping purposes within asterisk, that is fine |
| 21:21.52 | seanbright | it shouldn't be used for "user data" |
| 21:22.23 | cresl1n | That's an interesting way to look at it |
| 21:22.26 | seanbright | i am very angry right now |
| 21:22.30 | seanbright | i am going to calm myself |
| 21:23.14 | file | I look at it as a local database with no setup used for persistence purposes |
| 21:23.20 | seanbright | it's fixing the wrong problem. if you want to share data between asterisk servers, you shouldn't be using the AstDB interface |
| 21:23.40 | file | Agreee |
| 21:23.43 | file | Er agreee |
| 21:23.48 | file | Wow autocorrect |
| 21:23.56 | seanbright | and then we'd be adding yet another extension point |
| 21:24.19 | seanbright | loaders and symbols and bullshit, oh my! |
| 21:24.30 | file | Yup |
| 21:26.02 | cresl1n | seanbright: maybe you should weigh in on the thread too :-) |
| 21:26.18 | seanbright | i'm trying to think of a good analogy |
| 21:26.21 | seanbright | before i do |
| 21:26.56 | seanbright | i want to be able to have pluggable linked list implementations |
| 21:29.52 | file | Yeah I reread and didn't see a "why" except for the FreePBX case |
| 21:31.58 | cresl1n | Okies, I'm gonna go be a dad |
| 21:32.01 | cresl1n | best of luck to you all |
| 21:32.04 | cresl1n | See you later |
| 21:32.16 | cresl1n | TBH, I feel mostly the way you all do about it |
| 21:32.46 | file | Byeeee |
| 21:32.49 | cresl1n | I can't think of a strong reason to make the astdb backend swappable |
| 21:32.51 | seanbright | you said that about chan_sip |
| 21:32.54 | seanbright | TRAITOR |
| 21:32.58 | seanbright | :P |
| 21:33.09 | cresl1n | No way⦠my feelings about chan_sip have been consistent |
| 21:33.21 | cresl1n | :-P |
| 21:33.28 | seanbright | "it's not hurting anyone" |
| 21:33.29 | seanbright | i got it |
| 21:33.37 | file | I'm past caring about chan_sip, I have too much other stuff :P |
| 21:33.47 | seanbright | samesies |
| 21:33.58 | cresl1n | ditto |
| 21:34.05 | cresl1n | okies, see you later |
| 21:34.59 | seanbright | UGH |
| 21:35.00 | seanbright | fucking alembic |
| 21:36.30 | file | You aren't wrong |
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| 22:11.27 | tm1000 | seanbright: "so they should switch to the ODBC ones" we discussed this |
| 22:11.31 | tm1000 | and I think we *may* |
| 22:13.59 | tm1000 | We just used it to make it easier to ask asterisk for things because we insert them through PHP earlier |
| 22:14.36 | tm1000 | we'll probably end up making an ODBC type gosub function to get and set key value options and then we'd be set and never need it |
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