| 00:01.34 | blitztang | we need a way of allowing people to submit FAQs to the website |
| 00:01.45 | jsmith | Yup. |
| 00:01.52 | blitztang | personal best today |
| 00:01.56 | blitztang | 4.5 miles in 42:10 |
| 00:01.59 | jsmith | Yell at Exomorph and tell him to get back to work :-) |
| 00:02.07 | jsmith | Not bad. |
| 00:02.08 | blitztang | hehe... I think its a limitation of Xoops |
| 00:02.29 | jsmith | Maybe so. |
| 00:02.40 | blitztang | which sucks asmar |
| 00:03.11 | jsmith | So, build something better! |
| 00:03.22 | blitztang | hey, now that you're back from vacation.. I think I want to install Movable Type into my website |
| 00:03.33 | blitztang | jsmith: I think you've mistaken me for a programmer :) |
| 00:43.45 | jsmith | blitztang: I'll be around later tonight (like midnight your time) and I can install it then. |
| 00:44.11 | jsmith | Later... |
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| 17:27.44 | jsmith | I hate a certain large american sports league... |
| 17:33.49 | blitztang | jsmith: don't we all |
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| 18:07.29 | jsmith | What a morning... |
| 18:07.34 | blitzrage | that good eh? |
| 18:07.44 | blitzrage | so you're not going to Spain anymore? :( |
| 18:08.15 | jsmith | I doubt it. |
| 18:08.19 | jsmith | As I can't find oej |
| 18:08.26 | jsmith | And airfare went back up |
| 18:08.41 | jsmith | But I've got bigger problems this morning. |
| 18:09.33 | blitzrage | oej is teaching in Sweden this week |
| 18:09.46 | blitzrage | its June 15th - 17th for sure in Madrid |
| 18:09.51 | blitzrage | email went out a couple days ago |
| 18:10.03 | jsmith | blitzrage: Will you forward it to me please? |
| 18:12.07 | blitzrage | let me find it, then I will forward |
| 18:13.20 | jsmith | Yuck... yuck... yuck... What a mess! |
| 18:16.35 | blitzrage | jsmith: forwarded |
| 18:34.59 | critch | had our second asterisk machine crash this calendar year already... damn it, now I have to replace the hardware |
| 18:35.28 | jsmith | critch: One of those days for you too, huh? |
| 18:36.29 | critch | yeah, was bitched out last night by a coworker for restarting asterisk in the evening when no one was around to put a patch in. Then the machine locked up this morning, not asterisk related though |
| 18:36.34 | blitzrage | hey, who loves programming RSS feeds? :) |
| 18:36.46 | jsmith | Programming them? |
| 18:36.59 | blitzrage | I want an RSS feed for the bugtracker |
| 18:37.04 | jsmith | Or are you saying "RSS feeds about programming" |
| 18:37.10 | jsmith | That'd be cool. |
| 18:37.18 | blitzrage | yah |
| 18:37.19 | jsmith | And a "Planet Asterisk" blog aggregator. |
| 18:37.29 | blitzrage | Already started at AstDocs |
| 18:37.34 | jsmith | Really? |
| 18:37.36 | jsmith | Dang! |
| 18:37.38 | blitzrage | yep |
| 18:37.42 | blitzrage | have you not checked the main page? |
| 18:37.49 | blitzrage | I've been busy :) |
| 18:37.51 | critch | ahh man, the planet would be cool. It would probably get what I miss and I can drop the -user list |
| 18:38.00 | blitzrage | yeppers |
| 18:38.11 | blitzrage | SineApps is already listed on AstDocs |
| 18:38.17 | blitzrage | and AstDocs has an RSS feed now too |
| 18:38.42 | blitzrage | which is posted to SineApps :) |
| 18:38.42 | jsmith | Beautiful. |
| 18:38.44 | blitzrage | but I want a bugtracker RSS feed for both NEW submissions, and LATEST CHANGES |
| 18:39.01 | blitzrage | and I just posted the README for ARA to Docs |
| 18:39.06 | blitzrage | 33 mins after posted to CVS |
| 18:39.36 | blitzrage | there are two things which are limiting me from adding lots more info though |
| 18:39.51 | blitzrage | Xoops FAQ doesn't let people submit FAQ's |
| 18:39.51 | jsmith | Cool... sorry, between work and my vacation, I've really been out of the loop. |
| 18:40.03 | blitzrage | which means *I* have to write them all in manually |
| 18:40.18 | blitzrage | and 2) I can't seem to figure out how to add Manxpowers website info to AstDocs |
| 18:40.24 | blitzrage | or where to put it... |
| 18:40.29 | blitzrage | I want like... a second TinyContent Module... |
| 18:40.30 | critch | well shouldn't the FAQ be in a wiki anyways? |
| 18:40.41 | blitzrage | critch: possibly so |
| 18:40.53 | blitzrage | I wonder if there is a way to build in a Wiki to AstDocs... |
| 18:41.07 | blitzrage | critch: thats a good idea actually... that would make it way easier |
| 18:41.11 | critch | you don't know how much it pained me to suggest a wiki though |
| 18:41.17 | blitzrage | lol |
| 18:41.20 | blitzrage | I know ;) |
| 18:41.35 | blitzrage | but its probably appropriate for a FAQ like you said |
| 18:41.53 | blitzrage | oh crap |
| 18:41.59 | blitzrage | I should post about Astricon to AstDocs |
| 18:42.12 | critch | Maybe we need to suggest Digium move from Mantis to tracs |
| 18:42.50 | critch | http://trac.edgewall.com/ |
| 18:43.33 | critch | of course it would require them to move out of cvs and into svn though |
| 18:43.40 | jsmith | critch: Just a slight problem... |
| 18:43.52 | jsmith | critch: Really, Mantis seems to be a pretty good fit. |
| 18:44.09 | jsmith | critch: It really wouldn't be hard to generate an RSS feed from it. |
| 18:45.24 | critch | trac already has rss feeds and other outputs, the rss and other outputs can be post filtering also. |
| 18:45.54 | blitzrage | I'm not sure moving to a new bugtracking system is feasable... |
| 18:45.56 | jsmith | critch: But then they have to move to SVN. |
| 18:46.33 | critch | I belive there is a "plug-in" to emulate cvs for checkouts |
| 18:47.06 | critch | of course one of my coworkers is pushing hard for using arch |
| 18:48.12 | jsmith | Yeah... and half the people I know think darcs is the bomb... personally, I don't know what to think... |
| 18:48.24 | jsmith | I know CVS the best, so I'll stick with it for now |
| 18:49.16 | critch | from a user standpoint svn is no different from cvs, svn co or svn update work as expected. |
| 18:49.46 | jsmith | I know... I"ve used SVN a little. |
| 18:49.57 | jsmith | And the WebDAV stuff looks cool. |
| 18:50.11 | jsmith | I've just done more administration on CVS servers, so I know what to expect when things go wrong. |
| 18:50.13 | critch | The webdav stuff is all optional now |
| 18:50.48 | critch | So far the only thing I have seen go wrong is related to the berkley db and svn fighting |
| 18:50.59 | critch | and the db is easily recoverable |
| 18:51.36 | critch | My co worker, Manoj, is always commenting on how arch doesn't have the DB to tank on you too. |
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| 22:00.55 | blitzrage | what'd I miss? |
| 22:01.54 | MikeJ[Jayden] | end of the world |
| 22:02.01 | blitzrage | nice |
| 22:02.33 | jsmith | You missed everyone looking for hermie in ast-dev |
| 22:02.45 | MikeJ[Jayden] | everyone? |
| 22:02.51 | MikeJ[Jayden] | I thought it was just me |
| 22:03.22 | blitzrage | I'm going to an Asterisk MeetUp tonight, but I hate going because it takes me over an hour to get there |
| 22:03.27 | jsmith | Yuck. |
| 22:03.34 | blitzrage | stupid public transit |
| 22:03.34 | MikeJ[Jayden] | where do you live? |
| 22:03.34 | jsmith | Why don't they just have a MeetMe conference? |
| 22:03.39 | blitzrage | Oakville |
| 22:03.42 | blitzrage | near Toronto |
| 22:04.01 | blitzrage | jsmith, the point is to get together and actually meet people |
| 22:04.02 | MikeJ[Jayden] | O... |
| 22:04.15 | blitzrage | can't convince anyone to go either, so I have to head in alone |
| 22:04.15 | MikeJ[Jayden] | Half my family lives in toronto. |
| 22:04.20 | jsmith | blitzrage: Meeting people is overrated. |
| 22:04.24 | MikeJ[Jayden] | hehe |
| 22:04.29 | MikeJ[Jayden] | where in toronto is it? |
| 22:04.32 | blitzrage | jsmith, I agree |
| 22:04.33 | jsmith | blitzrage: Sometimes it ruins the whole effect to actually meet them in person. |
| 22:04.47 | blitzrage | MikeJ[Jayden], Milestones Pub and Grill |
| 22:04.51 | blitzrage | North York |
| 22:05.01 | MikeJ[Jayden] | ok |
| 22:05.20 | blitzrage | MikeJ[Jayden], you live in TOronto? |
| 22:05.22 | MikeJ[Jayden] | I can get to like 3 places, and that is about it... I know queen street ok |
| 22:05.27 | MikeJ[Jayden] | no, detroit |
| 22:05.35 | blitzrage | ahhhh, I used to live near Detroit |
| 22:05.39 | blitzrage | Sarnia specifically |
| 22:05.39 | MikeJ[Jayden] | parents grew up in windsor.. |
| 22:05.46 | blitzrage | me too |
| 22:05.53 | blitzrage | Michigan just sucks in general :) |
| 22:05.58 | jsmith | Detroit is such a dirty city. |
| 22:06.08 | blitzrage | jsmith, industry |
| 22:06.08 | jsmith | But you cross the border, and it's a world of difference. |
| 22:06.14 | blitzrage | jsmith, not entirely... |
| 22:06.16 | MikeJ[Jayden] | let me tell you, sarnia has no service stations open on a sunday night at 9:30 when you loose your alternator belt... |
| 22:06.20 | blitzrage | Windsor and Sarnia suck too |
| 22:06.25 | MikeJ[Jayden] | yes... |
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| 22:07.02 | blitzrage | Gotta get at least as far east as London |
| 22:07.07 | MikeJ[Jayden] | hey, is there a guy named gabe going to those asterisk meet ups in toronto |
| 22:07.14 | blitzrage | MikeJ[Jayden], not too sure... |
| 22:08.00 | MikeJ[Jayden] | he is a buddy of mine, and I have a suspicion that we have found asterisk each on our own... but have not been able to reach him.. I think he may have gone to india for a bit to travel |
| 22:08.16 | jsmith | blitzrage: Is Jim going to the meetup? |
| 22:08.26 | blitzrage | jsmith, yep, he's pretty much running them... :) |
| 22:08.38 | blitzrage | jsmith, Toronto is becoming quite the hot bed for Asterisk |
| 22:08.45 | blitzrage | tzanger (Andrew Kohlsmith) is going too |
| 22:08.54 | blitzrage | he was there last month |
| 22:08.57 | jsmith | blitzrage: Just have Jim pick you up and carry you there. |
| 22:09.01 | blitzrage | lol |
| 22:09.07 | blitzrage | he's on the other side of Toronto :) |
| 22:09.13 | jsmith | DOH! |
| 22:09.24 | blitzrage | He's quite north... I'm south |
| 22:09.28 | MikeJ[Jayden] | bbiab.. ospf issues |
| 22:09.32 | blitzrage | OSPF! |
| 22:09.38 | MikeJ[Jayden] | OSPF! |
| 22:09.42 | Alric | OSPF? |
| 22:09.44 | MikeJ[Jayden] | I do routers too |
| 22:09.48 | MikeJ[Jayden] | and firewalls |
| 22:10.00 | MikeJ[Jayden] | o, and asterisk runs on windows |
| 22:10.20 | blitzrage | yah, just finished school for routing and switching |
| 22:10.26 | blitzrage | so we did lots of OSPF and BGP |
| 22:10.28 | MikeJ[Jayden] | school, wtf |
| 22:10.29 | Alric | heh. |
| 22:10.36 | harryvv | blits not cisco? |
| 22:10.42 | blitzrage | yah, Cisco too |
| 22:10.56 | harryvv | blits went though cisco acadamy back in 1999 |
| 22:11.08 | harryvv | it was the only one for seattle back then :) |
| 22:11.17 | blitzrage | I don't believe in the Cisco certs though |
| 22:11.28 | Alric | heh |
| 22:11.44 | blitzrage | just teach you how to memorize commands |
| 22:11.54 | harryvv | blitz, our instructors were also students that became instructors. |
| 22:12.11 | harryvv | Baicly thay created there own jobs ;) |
| 22:12.17 | blitzrage | nice. We have a pretty unique program. Can't find anything like it in university |
| 22:12.25 | blitzrage | yah, I want to teach at some point I think |
| 22:12.40 | blitzrage | I'm pretty good at it. People in class are always asking me stuff. |
| 22:13.07 | harryvv | But I wonder if there is really any need for cisco in a asterisk enviroment when switches can route with a vlan |
| 22:13.16 | blitzrage | for now I'm concentrating on writing though... going to use the public transit waiting time to read The Elements of Style. |
| 22:13.32 | blitzrage | there will always be a need for Cisco... |
| 22:13.32 | jsmith | blitzrage: And listen to "On Writing Well", right? |
| 22:13.36 | MikeJ[Jayden] | MTU :( |
| 22:13.42 | blitzrage | jsmith, yep, already got it on my iPod |
| 22:13.46 | jsmith | And don't forget QoS |
| 22:13.58 | blitzrage | VoIP is going to be the reason QoS get implemented |
| 22:14.02 | blitzrage | if it ever gets implemented |
| 22:14.08 | jsmith | Amen, brother... |
| 22:14.09 | harryvv | Blits, I could have been really good at cisco but suffered from SA and it seriosly stumped my memory at the time. I was so fortunate to pass mid term and actually configure 2500s together and ping across them. |
| 22:14.15 | MikeJ[Jayden] | works now |
| 22:15.28 | blitzrage | welp, I should probably head home and get ready for the meeting. I hate not knowing when the buses come aroudn though |
| 22:15.32 | harryvv | BTW, is this channel created for the purpous of making documentation ? |
| 22:15.36 | blitzrage | yes |
| 22:15.39 | blitzrage | harryvv, yes |
| 22:15.55 | blitzrage | harryvv, our efforts are at asteriskdocs.org |
| 22:16.10 | harryvv | Yea I have read some of them. |
| 22:16.25 | blitzrage | I sometimes wonder how many people actually know how to use Asterisk in an advanced manner... |
| 22:16.33 | harryvv | Noticed some typos in some of them |
| 22:16.34 | harryvv | :) |
| 22:16.42 | blitzrage | harryvv, yah, I haven't proofread them yet |
| 22:16.59 | blitzrage | we always accept patches though :D |
| 22:17.03 | harryvv | mabey I can at least get some of them |
| 22:17.50 | blitzrage | jsmith, you should come to Toronto in April for VON Canada. Mark is supposed to be here and come to one of our MeetUps |
| 22:18.00 | harryvv | I do have one question seems no one can answer it regarding preapending and apending 9 to a number. |
| 22:18.40 | jsmith | blitzrage: Buy my ticket and I'll come. |
| 22:18.51 | blitzrage | hrmmm... :) |
| 22:19.01 | jsmith | harryvv: What's your question? |
| 22:20.53 | blitzrage | ;) |
| 22:20.58 | Alric | I know where you live... |
| 22:20.59 | Alric | :) |
| 22:21.16 | blitzrage | you know nothing! |
| 22:22.20 | Alric | Jared: You're even easier to track down. |
| 22:22.56 | harryvv | jsmith. tried different combinations of Dial(/_9${EXTEN}) so when say the wife wants to call somone she does not need to dial 9 then the 10 digit phone number. It does not seem to dial out though. Also, now the phone on the ata does not want to dial out period to zap as it did yesterday. There is no pattern matching and dont need it at this moment. For [outgoing] calls I have _9.,1,Dial(ZAP/g1/${EXTEN:1},30) |
| 22:23.22 | harryvv | the analog phone on the ata does dial other softphones |
| 22:23.29 | jsmith | Why do you have the _ in the Dial() application. |
| 22:23.47 | jsmith | Why not just Dial(Zap/1/9${EXTEN})? |
| 22:24.14 | jsmith | Or, you could do Dial(local/9${EXTEN}) if you want it to dial a local extension |
| 22:24.25 | harryvv | Does it matter if the global for zap has been set/ |
| 22:24.26 | harryvv | ? |
| 22:24.49 | jsmith | Even if you've set a global variable for your zap channel, you still have to call it in Dial() |
| 22:24.50 | jsmith | Like this: |
| 22:24.53 | Alric | jared: Why dial a local/ when you can just goto? |
| 22:25.05 | jsmith | Alric: Pattern matching, my friend. |
| 22:25.14 | jsmith | Alric: You wouldn't understand :-) |
| 22:25.32 | Alric | !!! |
| 22:25.36 | jsmith | harryvv: Like this: Dial(${ZAP_CHANNEL}/9{$EXTEN}) |
| 22:25.44 | harryvv | yea |
| 22:26.17 | Alric | jared: Explain it, then :) |
| 22:28.10 | jsmith | Alric: Sometimes it's easier to say Dial(local/5551212) than to figure out you need to Goto(local_outbound,_555XXXX,1) |
| 22:28.33 | jsmith | Besides, I know a lot of people have problems figuring out how to GOTO a pattern match extension. |
| 22:29.24 | Alric | Hmmm |
| 22:29.43 | blitzrage | Plus GOTO loses the values in variables |
| 22:29.45 | Alric | if you had a local_outbound exten of 555XXXX |
| 22:29.48 | harryvv | so say exten => _NXXNXXXXXX,1,Dial(${ZAP_CHANNEL}/9{$EXTEN}) |
| 22:29.58 | blitzrage | harryvv, yep |
| 22:30.06 | harryvv | give it a shot |
| 22:30.07 | Alric | than goto local_outbound,5551212 would match that |
| 22:30.17 | Alric | blitz: all variables? |
| 22:30.51 | blitzrage | Alric, pretty sure. There are wierd instances when it loses and not loses... I wrote it down somewhere, but i forget right nwo :) |
| 22:31.52 | Alric | heh |
| 22:31.53 | blitzrage | Alric, basically, if you do a goto between contexts, I'm pretty sure it forgets the value of variables unless you do a SetVar somewhere |
| 22:32.02 | blitzrage | oh rgiht |
| 22:32.08 | harryvv | still getting a fast bussy on the analog phone. I guess I need to give this a few min for it to work. BTW did a reload. |
| 22:32.09 | blitzrage | its the ${EXTEN} it forgets what in it or something |
| 22:32.23 | blitzrage | so you have to save the extension to a variable instead of using ${EXTEN} |
| 22:32.34 | blitzrage | you don't need to give it a few mins |
| 22:32.39 | harryvv | :) |
| 22:32.40 | blitzrage | if its going to work, it'll work right away |
| 22:32.44 | harryvv | sure |
| 22:33.00 | blitzrage | and you only need to do an extensions reload if you only changed the extensiosn.conf file |
| 22:33.06 | harryvv | sure |
| 22:33.09 | blitzrage | I hate this keyboard... lots of typos with it |
| 22:33.20 | blitzrage | ok, gotta go |
| 22:33.21 | blitzrage | lates! |
| 22:33.44 | harryvv | well, wonder what else could be the problem. Any sip softphone or ata should dial this. |
| 22:58.58 | jsmith | Alric: Why are you so violent today? |
| 23:00.46 | Alric | Chewing broken glass > Tech support. |
| 23:00.52 | Alric | Tech support = my current activity |
| 23:01.14 | harryvv | Alric Tier 1? |
| 23:02.01 | Alric | Yes. |
| 23:02.20 | Alric | jsmith: Die. |
| 23:03.02 | Alric | They call us cannon fodder for a reason :/ |
| 23:03.04 | harryvv | Alric, mmm easy but anoying. I have done all of that. one job entitiled me to do 1-3. :) |
| 23:03.12 | Alric | Actually |
| 23:03.16 | Alric | This is the same thing. |
| 23:03.22 | Alric | There are no tiers above us. |
| 23:03.36 | jsmith | Alric: Count yourself lucky that you have a boss that allows you to hang out in IRC while doing tech support. |
| 23:03.42 | Alric | The buck stops at us. We get a call, we have to solve the problem :| |
| 23:03.45 | jsmith | Alric: Back when I was a kid... |
| 23:03.48 | Alric | jsmith: You think they know about this? :P |
| 23:04.00 | jsmith | Alric: Good point. You should be fired. |
| 23:04.21 | Alric | :P |
| 23:05.20 | harryvv | I had a bank employee call my line saying there credit card application takes one min to process each card number. That was a new project and could not resolv it. It was running on token ring. IBM checked it and it was good. The DB was running fine in colorado and the maker of the application said its not there application. Kinda moot at that point. Ohh there desktop pc was fast enough to run it. I did not know this but the person |
| 23:05.46 | harryvv | :) |
| 23:05.56 | harryvv | I guess she was desperate |
| 23:07.36 | Alric | Yay |
| 23:08.10 | harryvv | what |
| 23:08.47 | Alric | Having fun imagining shooting these people with rail guns. |
| 23:09.01 | harryvv | I want to make one |
| 23:09.06 | harryvv | for science sake |
| 23:09.07 | Alric | A rail gun? |
| 23:09.09 | harryvv | yes |
| 23:09.11 | harryvv | I can |
| 23:09.21 | harryvv | Ive been involved in electonics for long time. |
| 23:09.32 | Alric | You know, Star Wars stuff. |
| 23:09.34 | harryvv | Made tesla coils you name it. |
| 23:11.11 | harryvv | There was a engineering student at a university that did show his small railgun and the steel slug fired into one inch of steel and went though it. |
| 23:11.13 | Alric | a Kinetic energy rod cannon, and a V-12 "Vanish" :) |
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