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| 04:48.58 | jsmith | What a day! |
| 04:53.14 | jsmith | blitzrage: You around? |
| 05:59.34 | jsmith | He's probably asleep, poor guy... |
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| 18:33.46 | linux_begin | hy every boody |
| 18:33.52 | linux_begin | i have a llittle problem |
| 18:34.07 | linux_begin | can any body help me |
| 18:36.21 | jsmith | What's your question? |
| 18:36.37 | jsmith | This isn't really a help channel -- it's a documentation channel |
| 18:36.51 | jsmith | But go ahead and ask your question and we'll try to point you in the right direction |
| 18:39.04 | linux_begin | jsmith plz if my question is a little bit away from topic then answer me |
| 18:39.34 | linux_begin | actually i want to ask the limitations of the asterisk , mean to say how many users can it handel at the max |
| 18:39.58 | linux_begin | mean to say limitations . some main figures |
| 18:40.08 | jsmith | That's a tricky question, as it depends entirely on what you're doing, and the type of users. |
| 18:40.12 | jsmith | Are you talking analog channels? |
| 18:40.12 | linux_begin | plz tell me if u know. i have searched a lot. |
| 18:40.14 | jsmith | VoIP callers? |
| 18:40.22 | jsmith | What codecs are you using? |
| 18:40.28 | jsmith | Are you doing any type of transcoding? |
| 18:40.56 | linux_begin | i have connected pstn phones to the asterisk server |
| 18:41.03 | linux_begin | and there are two serrrverrs |
| 18:41.16 | linux_begin | which will be connected through the iax |
| 18:41.22 | linux_begin | :( |
| 18:42.03 | jsmith | OK, so you've got how many phones connected to the Asterisk server? We'll call this number X. |
| 18:42.21 | jsmith | And then the rest of the callers will be calling in over IAX? We'll call that number Y. |
| 18:42.53 | linux_begin | yes |
| 18:43.17 | linux_begin | mean to say two asterisk servers and on both servers , some phone linees are connected |
| 18:43.17 | jsmith | Next, I'll need the codec(s) you plan on using, and whether you'll be doing any translation between codecs. |
| 18:43.27 | jsmith | OK. |
| 18:43.33 | jsmith | So let's start with server A. |
| 18:43.41 | jsmith | Give me X, Y, and the codec information for server A. |
| 18:44.36 | linux_begin | jsmith: actually i want to know what will be the performance of assterisk servers. |
| 18:44.55 | linux_begin | the best performance figureeees |
| 18:47.33 | jsmith | linux_begin: Look, it *ALL* depends on what you're trying to do. Can I make it any plainer? |
| 18:47.55 | jsmith | linux_begin: If I were to give you a number like "500 users", I'd be a liar, because you can only get 500 users under *certain conditions*. |
| 18:48.03 | jsmith | linux_begin: I hate to be frank, but that's how it is. |
| 18:48.19 | jsmith | linux_begin: It *COMPLETELY* depends on your circumstances. |
| 18:49.25 | linux_begin | u mean to say as we increasee the cost or resourcceees the users can be increased |
| 18:49.26 | jsmith | It's like asking "How many browser windows can I open on my machine"... it's not about "how many", but it's really about what you're doing with the windows. |
| 18:49.33 | linux_begin | ther is no limitations from assterisk |
| 18:49.39 | jsmith | linux_begin: Yes and no. |
| 18:49.53 | jsmith | Yes, as you increase hardware resources, the server will be able to handle more callers. |
| 18:50.05 | jsmith | But No, there are limitations in Asterisk. And in hardware. |
| 18:50.21 | linux_begin | actually we r using asterisk in our graduation project and in that wee have to mention its performance in it |
| 18:50.24 | jsmith | Sooner or later, you'll reach a point where it's more advantageous to buy a second server than to buy a bigger server. |
| 18:50.30 | linux_begin | so what do u think we should write in that |
| 18:50.54 | jsmith | linux_begin: Well, if it's something that you're working on for graduation, I'd suggest you actually do some real research instead of asking question on an IRC channel. |
| 18:51.10 | jsmith | Again, I'm not trying to be rude, but asking questions in IRC has nothing to do with research. |
| 18:54.59 | jsmith | I can give you some anecdotal evidence that I know that Asterisk can easily handle 24 incoming IAX calls using the GSM codec and put them on a channelize voice T1, using a 2.4GHz P4 processor and a gig of ram. |
| 18:55.15 | jsmith | But that's just anecdotal evidence. |
| 18:55.44 | jsmith | You may want to check out the Asterisk Test project to find more benchmarking info and internal Asterisk limits. |
| 19:00.24 | linux_begin | thaknx very much jsmith:) |
| 19:00.28 | linux_begin | a lot of thankx |
| 19:00.39 | linux_begin | :):):):) |
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| 19:11.59 | bile_one | jsmith is blitzrage getting better? |
| 19:22.21 | jsmith | bile_one: Appears to be -- he told me he was feeling better. |
| 19:22.36 | jsmith | bile_one: The real test will be to see whether or not he actually says anything in here. |
| 19:22.39 | jsmith | blitzrage: Wake up! |
| 19:23.35 | bile_one | jsmith ManxPower has giI need |
| 19:26.21 | bile_one | has given me the doc's |
| 19:31.27 | jsmith | OK. |
| 21:03.38 | blitzrage | I'm in favour of a Bush assassination |
| 21:04.19 | blitzrage | http://tinyurl.com/48ocb |
| 21:19.31 | jsmith | blitzrage: How dare you say that! |
| 21:21.22 | jsmith | blitzrage: Since when have polar bears (and fear) become more important than reducing our dependence on foreign resources? |
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| 21:25.00 | blitzrage | jsmith: the end of oil is upon us. We should not be attempting to drill more, but rather invest in alternative energies. The end of suburbia is nearing and the american life-style is impossible to sustain. |
| 21:26.34 | blitzrage | The announcement of drilling in the Alaska wildlife refuge comes on the same day as OPEC's announcement of an increase of 500,000 barrels a day of oil. OPEC is already 700,000 above quota and it is unlikely that any more oil will actually be pumped. Prices are bound to skyrocket over the next 5 years. |
| 21:28.48 | jsmith | blitzrage: I'm sorry, but "invest in alternative energies" is very vague, and doesn't really mean anything. |
| 21:29.04 | blitzrage | alternative-energies means renewable resources OTHER than oil. |
| 21:29.14 | blitzrage | peak oil is coming |
| 21:29.21 | jsmith | No, I know what "alternative energies" means. |
| 21:29.24 | jsmith | I' |
| 21:29.34 | blitzrage | we can't stop it, and prices per barrel will only ever be increasing, never to be coming down again |
| 21:29.40 | jsmith | I'm just asking what/how you would invest in it? |
| 21:30.07 | jsmith | blitzrage: I 100% agree. But in the short term, finding a cheaper/better supply at home is better than doing nothing. |
| 21:30.35 | jsmith | blitzrage: Besides, even at twice its current price, oil is still the most economical mass-storage of energy. |
| 21:30.44 | blitzrage | jsmith: I disagree. You are simply postponing the inevitable and making things worse in the long run |
| 21:31.00 | blitzrage | http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,66694,00.html?tw=wn_3techhead |
| 21:33.02 | jsmith | blitzrage: http://www.popsci.com/popsci/print/0,21553,927469,00.html |
| 21:33.17 | jsmith | blitzrage: And that's with hydrogen as the next cheapest alternative. |
| 21:33.31 | blitzrage | hydrogen is easiest to produce by burning oil |
| 21:34.23 | jsmith | Go read the article :-) |
| 21:34.26 | blitzrage | http://www.endofsuburbia.com/ |
| 21:35.17 | jsmith | Let me say this though -- I'm not disagreeing that the end of oil is inevitable. All I'm saying is that until oil triples or quadruples in price, it's not worth investing in alternative energies, unless you really enjoy losing money on your investments. |
| 21:35.49 | jsmith | (And, that being said, as the price of oil goes up, it becomes more and more economical to get *more* oil in the short term) |
| 21:36.15 | jsmith | Let's look at this "Solar Tower" in the article you pointed to. |
| 21:36.28 | jsmith | Price tag? $500 million. |
| 21:36.58 | jsmith | At 5 cents a kilowatt hour, how much energy does it have to produce to be economically feasable? You do the math... |
| 21:38.52 | blitzrage | I don't agree with your logic. Why wait until oil prices are 4x the prices now ($200 a barrel) to start investing in alternative fuel sources? By that time, the economy will have faultered and if you start investing at that point, then it will take several more years to obtain the minimal amount of energy produced by burning oil. At that point... oil prices will be even higher. |
| 21:39.00 | jsmith | According to my calculations, that takes 23.39 years to break even. |
| 21:39.16 | blitzrage | oil prices will be at least 4x as much within that time |
| 21:39.18 | jsmith | Because people won't invest money in things that are guaranteed to lose money. |
| 21:39.48 | jsmith | You keep talking about "investing money" like people are willing to lose money. |
| 21:39.54 | jsmith | Sure, there's some money going into research, etc. |
| 21:40.15 | blitzrage | its not guarenteed to lose money. The dependency on energy is guarenteed. You're telling me that investing money in something that is guarenteed to be of use in the future will lose money? |
| 21:40.56 | blitzrage | you need to see that documentary at www.endofsuburbia.com |
| 21:41.49 | jsmith | But tell me where I can invest a thousand dollars in "alternative energies" today and have it give me a dividend check every year for the next twenty years. |
| 21:42.24 | jsmith | See, the fault in your logic is that there's nothing you can invest real dollars in today that will give you a return *on those same dollars*. |
| 21:42.37 | jsmith | Sure, you can invest in research... but *you* won't be the one getting the return. |
| 21:42.41 | jsmith | Am I making sense? |
| 21:43.34 | blitzrage | ok... so you're saying it makes more sense to START investing in something we are going to need after the fact? |
| 21:43.35 | jsmith | Yes, investment by the public at large will return benefits to the public at large.... |
| 21:43.55 | jsmith | blitzrage: I'm saying that people won't invest in something until it's economically viable. |
| 21:44.17 | blitzrage | after the market has crashed because the USA relies on oil and can no longer afford to purchase it |
| 21:44.31 | jsmith | Like I said -- find me something that I can invest a couple hundred dollars a month in *AND START MAKING RETURNS* and people will invest in it. |
| 21:45.02 | jsmith | But to tell me I should put a couple hundred dollars a month into something that will lose money for the first 15 years is ludicrous! |
| 21:45.30 | blitzrage | more money will be wasted in the long term. The US is thinking entirely in the short term. |
| 21:45.47 | jsmith | You're not understanding my point. |
| 21:45.52 | blitzrage | I don't agree with your point |
| 21:45.57 | jsmith | I agree that in the long term, a lot of money will be wasted. |
| 21:46.20 | jsmith | I'm saying that for *PERSONAL* investment to work, it's gotta give *PERSONAL* returns. |
| 21:46.49 | jsmith | And if you're implying that the US Government should take my hard-earned money and lose it for me, I'll say "over my dead conservative body". |
| 21:47.12 | jsmith | Now, that being said, I'm all for the government investing *some* money in research and development of alternative energies. |
| 21:47.30 | jsmith | But to force it at an economic loss is pure horse-pucky... |
| 21:48.04 | blitzrage | well, when oil is $6 a gallon, and THEN you have to start investing money in alternative energies that will take ANOTHER 15-20 years of losing money... you are going to be losing 2 fold |
| 21:48.21 | jsmith | Wrong. |
| 21:48.45 | jsmith | Gas is already over $6 a gallon in many parts of the world, Leif... |
| 21:49.12 | jsmith | At that point, it shouldn't take 15 to 20 years to make alternative energies economically viable. |
| 21:49.25 | jsmith | Let me put it this way. |
| 21:49.49 | blitzrage | yah... and it'll be $24/gallon, plus you'll be competing with China for more oil, further increasing the strain on OPEC nations, the US will need to start invading more Middle Eastern countries furthering the decline in the market |
| 21:49.51 | jsmith | If you look right now, gas is about $4 a gallon (before government subsidies, etc.) |
| 21:50.22 | jsmith | How much would it cost to harness wind energy to go the same distance as a gallon of gas? It equates to about $10 a gallon. |
| 21:50.46 | jsmith | What about hydrogen? It's around $6 a gallon (if obtaining it from burning natural gas) |
| 21:51.00 | blitzrage | but you're assuming that investing in the alternative energies will produce returns over night |
| 21:51.20 | blitzrage | and by the time you start investing in hydrogen it'll be 4x as much |
| 21:51.36 | jsmith | No, I'm saying that nobody's gonna build the infrastructure, etc. that's necessary UNTIL it's economically viable. |
| 21:51.50 | blitzrage | it would help if people would just stop driving SUV's for no reason and not buying 3,000 sqft houses in the middle of no where, driving into the city an hour each way. |
| 21:51.58 | blitzrage | jsmith: and that's the problem |
| 21:52.10 | jsmith | I'm saying that right now, in today's dollars, that hydrogen doesn't make sense until gasoline gets above $6 a gallon. |
| 21:52.20 | jsmith | blitzrage: It certainly would -- I'm not arguing that point. |
| 21:52.40 | blitzrage | in fact I yelled at a lady today for driving her SUV through the Burger King drive through with NO other passengers |
| 21:52.42 | jsmith | blitzrage: I'm looking arguing from a strictly *ECONOMICAL* point. |
| 21:53.07 | blitzrage | well, the economy is going to be worse off in the long term, so it doesn't really make sense to me. |
| 21:53.09 | jsmith | Look, I'm a conservationist... I fully believe in conserving nature, not wasting resources, etc. |
| 21:54.16 | jsmith | But until it becomes economical to use alternative energies, nobody is going to do it. Period. People won't pay (the equivalent of) $10 a gallon to use wind power to get from point A to point B, when they can do it for $2.20 with gasoline. |
| 21:54.34 | jsmith | And "investing money" isn't going to change that fact. |
| 21:55.08 | jsmith | (And not even the US government can subsidize alternative energies to the point that they make economic sense compared to oil.) |
| 21:56.32 | blitzrage | unfortunately thats the whole problem, and the current short-sighted republican gov't isn't interested in educating the masses and passing laws requiring people to stop driving rediculous "house on wheels" vehicles with a single occupant. |
| 21:56.49 | jsmith | OK, back to the beginning then. To say that we should kill a person because he wants to drill for oil in Alaska, when it makes (at least short-term) economic and political sense, is wrong. You may not agree with the guy, but saying he deserves to die for it is wrong. |
| 21:57.11 | blitzrage | I have multiple reasons for the removal of BUsh |
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| 21:57.53 | jsmith | blitzrage: 1) I don't believe it's the federal government's business to educate the people. If you knew anything about the United States, you'd know that it's the state's responsibility for public education, not the federal's. |
| 21:58.20 | blitzrage | http://www.outfoxed.org/ |
| 21:58.24 | jsmith | 2) Not even an ultra-liberal government would ban people from driving a "house on wheels" |
| 21:58.37 | blitzrage | it should |
| 21:58.46 | jsmith | blitzrage: There's a difference between "not voting for him" and "disagreeing with him" and "wishing him assassinated". |
| 21:58.49 | blitzrage | just because people think they should be able to do something, doesn't mean they should |
| 21:59.00 | jsmith | blitzrage: I'm not arguing that! For crying out loud! |
| 21:59.12 | jsmith | You know, I'm fed up. |
| 21:59.13 | blitzrage | you just said with statement 2) they should |
| 22:00.20 | jsmith | I'm done arguing this. |
| 22:00.30 | blitzrage | I'm not trying to argue, I'm trying to debate. |
| 22:00.35 | blitzrage | My intension was not to make you mad :) |
| 22:00.44 | jsmith | First, you need to learn a little more about the US before you go blatently telling me how to run my country. |
| 22:01.03 | jsmith | Second, don't go telling me how my elected officials should be killed. |
| 22:01.24 | blitzrage | ok, you're obviously upset, so I'm also done with this. |
| 22:01.26 | jsmith | Third, I won't take somebody trying to make me feel guilty for not losing money. |
| 22:02.34 | jsmith | I'll 100% agree with you that we should all be more consciensous about conserving energy, looking for alternatives, etc., I won't spend my hard-earned dollars on bad science and bad economics. |
| 22:03.43 | blitzrage | btw: I never got chap 5 |
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| 22:58.20 | jsmith | I'm a big dumb voted-for-Bush screw-the-environment conservative American, and should feel guilty for it :-) |
| 22:59.52 | jsmith | But hey, at least I use Asterisk, right! |