| 15:11.09 | DarkFlib | if anyone wants an invite... let me know |
| 15:32.20 | blitzrage | morning |
| 15:32.33 | blitzrage | DarkFlib: invite? |
| 15:32.47 | DarkFlib | yeah to the avaya tech summit |
| 15:32.52 | DarkFlib | its online |
| 15:33.24 | DarkFlib | keynote is on now |
| 15:33.37 | blitzrage | DarkFlib: link? |
| 15:33.43 | blitzrage | DarkFlib: also, what format is .chm? |
| 15:33.49 | DarkFlib | http://www.techsummitavaya.com |
| 15:34.00 | DarkFlib | chm is compiled html (windows help) |
| 15:35.50 | blitzrage | ahhh |
| 15:35.54 | blitzrage | thanks for the link |
| 15:35.58 | DarkFlib | np |
| 15:36.14 | DarkFlib | keynote has finished but there are a lot of resources online.. |
| 15:36.15 | blitzrage | which one you in? IP tel or SIP? |
| 15:36.24 | blitzrage | doh |
| 15:36.25 | blitzrage | :) |
| 15:36.30 | blitzrage | just a bit too late I guess :) |
| 15:36.44 | DarkFlib | 1 hour to the next adress |
| 15:36.59 | DarkFlib | its also gonna be availible on demand |
| 15:37.06 | blitzrage | very cool |
| 15:37.26 | DarkFlib | It like IE more than FF tho |
| 15:37.44 | blitzrage | thats ok, I use IE :) |
| 15:37.59 | DarkFlib | had to swap over due to a sound issue |
| 15:38.34 | blitzrage | gotcha -- not sure exactly where I should go -- recommendations? |
| 15:38.42 | blitzrage | or should I just wait to the next hour? |
| 15:39.06 | DarkFlib | have a look round some of the stalls... if theres a name you know you can talk to a rep in most of them |
| 15:39.44 | blitzrage | coolio |
| 15:39.48 | DarkFlib | its a little biased to avaya... |
| 15:39.57 | DarkFlib | but its still nice for research |
| 15:40.22 | DarkFlib | their server is playing up a little tho... |
| 15:40.39 | DarkFlib | webcast in 5 |
| 15:41.15 | blitzrage | yah, going ot check that one out just to see how this all works :) |
| 15:41.18 | DarkFlib | "whats possible in productivity" |
| 15:41.44 | blitzrage | a bit slow eh? must be loading a lot of people up :) |
| 15:42.05 | DarkFlib | their server just dropped a lot of peopel... |
| 15:42.09 | blitzrage | ouch |
| 15:42.10 | DarkFlib | they are connecting back |
| 15:42.17 | blitzrage | how the heck do you know this? :) |
| 15:42.26 | DarkFlib | don't ask... |
| 15:42.28 | DarkFlib | :P |
| 15:42.53 | DarkFlib | I know some people involved in this |
| 15:42.55 | blitzrage | ah |
| 15:42.57 | blitzrage | cool |
| 15:43.03 | blitzrage | I reall yjust want the schwag :) |
| 15:43.26 | DarkFlib | should have a football shirt coming... |
| 15:43.36 | blitzrage | hrmmm... keynotes and panels taking it nice and slow so far :D |
| 15:43.42 | DarkFlib | and some bits from a couple of biz |
| 15:43.47 | blitzrage | nice! I think I need to take the survey it says |
| 15:43.53 | blitzrage | I never gave an address though? |
| 15:44.03 | DarkFlib | hmm... |
| 15:44.17 | DarkFlib | panel is about to start |
| 15:44.27 | blitzrage | still not loaded for me :( |
| 15:44.28 | DarkFlib | 1 minute |
| 15:44.43 | DarkFlib | worst case... close the browser and log in again |
| 15:44.43 | blitzrage | I see the little clock thing rotating though |
| 15:44.50 | blitzrage | yah -- I'll give that a shot |
| 15:48.12 | blitzrage | nice -- in now |
| 15:48.51 | DarkFlib | At least we can understand what the big boys are lumbering towards and try to stay ahead |
| 15:48.58 | blitzrage | aye |
| 15:51.03 | DarkFlib | I certainly think SIP is the protocol that it should be based on atm... |
| 15:52.00 | DarkFlib | btw, if you click the files link at the bottom, there is a power point version of the slides |
| 15:52.29 | blitzrage | oh cool |
| 15:54.25 | DarkFlib | most companies also have whitepapers or brochures in pdf format for their products |
| 15:54.39 | DarkFlib | and allow you to chat their reps |
| 15:55.42 | blitzrage | unfortunately I can't buy any solutions -- I have to program everything using OS products -- I guess some people could only be so lucky |
| 15:56.07 | DarkFlib | no need to buy them... get the brochures and copy them... |
| 15:56.08 | DarkFlib | :P |
| 15:56.35 | DarkFlib | Frequently ideas you have never seen before appear |
| 15:56.44 | DarkFlib | or are made simpler |
| 15:57.09 | blitzrage | hrmmm... good thinking |
| 15:57.47 | blitzrage | god I need another monitor |
| 15:57.59 | jsmith | blitzrage: I've got one in my truck for you |
| 15:58.06 | jsmith | blitzrage: Nice HP 17" |
| 15:58.06 | blitzrage | I have a 21" Sony Trinitron CRT, but its not enough room |
| 15:58.21 | blitzrage | jsmith: nice! I'd like to try and find a 19", but $$$ |
| 15:58.25 | DarkFlib | still got 3x15" here |
| 15:58.35 | jsmith | blitzrage: I've got a 19" too -- but you'll have to buy that one. |
| 15:58.36 | blitzrage | DarkFlib: that'd actually be pretty nice still |
| 15:58.46 | blitzrage | jsmith: 17" CRT or LCD? |
| 15:59.04 | jsmith | CRT -- my neighbor replaced it with two 19" LCDs. |
| 15:59.07 | blitzrage | actually, there is a 19" CRT in the basement, I just need either a dual-head video card or a PCI video card |
| 15:59.39 | blitzrage | and there isn't much room on my desk really anymore either :) |
| 16:00.58 | DarkFlib | http://gateway.technomonk.com/images/workstation-newyeareve05.jpg <-- monitor on left now matches the others... and the 1u server is gone |
| 16:02.35 | blitzrage | nice camo |
| 16:02.42 | DarkFlib | thnx |
| 16:02.48 | blitzrage | looks like urban camo |
| 16:02.58 | DarkFlib | yeah |
| 16:04.15 | DarkFlib | http://gateway.technomonk.com/images/mtac3.bmp <-- what I want as a display setup |
| 16:04.24 | blitzrage | btw: if anyone is running XP, I recommend XPize if you care what your desktop looks like -- its not styleXP which bogs down the computer, it just seems to change the colouring scheeme and icons and a few other minor things |
| 16:04.44 | DarkFlib | I turn off most of the XP styling |
| 16:05.04 | blitzrage | lol |
| 16:05.12 | blitzrage | nice monitor :) |
| 16:05.34 | DarkFlib | been writing sw to be able to control something like that |
| 16:05.53 | DarkFlib | got a base for it but its still too slow |
| 16:06.12 | jsmith | DarkFlib: I used to have four 19" LCDs in a square, with 42" plasma right above them :-( |
| 16:07.10 | DarkFlib | I want to be able to integrate vnc mouse/keyboard control along with multiple monitor/system support |
| 16:07.33 | DarkFlib | so I can click a pager on any screen and switch the graphed system |
| 16:07.40 | jsmith | Good luck with that... |
| 16:07.43 | DarkFlib | graphed/grabbed |
| 16:07.50 | DarkFlib | mostly done... |
| 16:07.50 | blitzrage | that slide looks like it was made with Harvard Graphics :) |
| 16:07.53 | DarkFlib | :) |
| 16:08.26 | blitzrage | I can't believe I remember that software :) |
| 16:09.00 | DarkFlib | its a long time ago... |
| 16:09.22 | blitzrage | aye |
| 16:09.28 | blitzrage | a good 15 years at least |
| 16:09.45 | blitzrage | I was in grade 6 when I used it for the first time... |
| 16:10.12 | DarkFlib | I want one of those new nokia phones... |
| 16:10.16 | blitzrage | ugh -- I hate how fairly simple forms can look so different between FF and IE |
| 16:10.18 | DarkFlib | wifi + cell |
| 16:10.24 | blitzrage | me too -- which one? |
| 16:10.44 | DarkFlib | have a look at the nokia stand after wards |
| 16:11.09 | DarkFlib | E60/E70 |
| 16:11.33 | blitzrage | will do |
| 16:11.57 | DarkFlib | not 100% sure if its Avaya specific tho |
| 16:12.00 | blitzrage | I'm looking for a wifi + cell + pda + gps + quad-band + windows OS |
| 16:12.15 | blitzrage | with a keyboard |
| 16:15.10 | jsmith | blitzrage: Windows Treo with a bluetooth GPS? |
| 16:15.39 | blitzrage | I'd have to get it from the US though :) |
| 16:15.56 | blitzrage | not sure thats really possible... if it is... I have no idea how much the phone is, but I bet its close to $1000 |
| 16:16.16 | blitzrage | can't get them in Canada since Cingular or someone has exclusive sales rights for a year or two |
| 16:18.24 | blitzrage | nice... cell and 802.11b and g |
| 16:18.55 | DarkFlib | Essentially, what I want is a phone that when I'm at home acts as an extension on my pbx, and when out and about acts as a mobile |
| 16:19.04 | blitzrage | exactly |
| 16:19.14 | blitzrage | with bluetooth presense :) |
| 16:19.35 | DarkFlib | maybe, but not essential, since a register request could do the same |
| 16:19.41 | blitzrage | aye |
| 16:19.50 | DarkFlib | especially if you make it a fast timeout |
| 16:20.00 | blitzrage | totally |
| 16:20.02 | blitzrage | that'd be nice |
| 16:20.10 | blitzrage | like... really nice |
| 16:20.16 | DarkFlib | but noone seems to understand... |
| 16:20.24 | blitzrage | or refuse to understand |
| 16:20.39 | DarkFlib | that would be a killer app and the phone would sell in mass amounts |
| 16:20.48 | blitzrage | yep |
| 16:21.01 | blitzrage | is his cell phone near his mic? :) |
| 16:21.09 | DarkFlib | yeah |
| 16:21.14 | blitzrage | because my cell is on the other side of the room, lol |
| 16:21.26 | DarkFlib | I doubted it was mine... |
| 16:21.33 | DarkFlib | even tho mines on the desk |
| 16:22.34 | DarkFlib | ooo.. http://www.voipnow.org/2005/02/motorola_devlop.html |
| 16:22.46 | DarkFlib | exept its skype |
| 16:23.20 | blitzrage | ewww |
| 16:26.46 | DarkFlib | http://blogs.zdnet.com/ip-telephony/?p=922 <-- nice concept.. |
| 16:28.14 | blitzrage | does anyone have a link to a page that aggregates RSS feeds into one place? |
| 16:28.37 | DarkFlib | blitzrage, blogroll can, |
| 16:28.51 | DarkFlib | yahoo can |
| 16:29.12 | DarkFlib | I used to use thunderbird as an rss reader tho |
| 16:29.21 | blitzrage | I don't really like thunderbird :( |
| 16:29.29 | DarkFlib | if you have a php host, I can give you a script... |
| 16:29.53 | blitzrage | and I tend to try to use as many web hosted services since I don't like to use desktop bound clients... |
| 16:30.16 | blitzrage | I can't wait until I can just have my whole OS done remotely via a web interface |
| 16:30.25 | blitzrage | googleOS :) |
| 16:30.57 | DarkFlib | Goobuntu is knocking around |
| 16:31.31 | blitzrage | hrmmm |
| 16:31.59 | DarkFlib | the nokia 6136 can use UMA | UMA - http://www.umatechnology.org/overview/ |
| 16:32.05 | DarkFlib | allows gsm over wifi |
| 16:33.42 | DarkFlib | :) |
| 16:33.45 | blitzrage | ok, so I'm looking at using the <input="text" name="myform[foo]"> format on my page, then doing a foreach -- is there a particular format I need to use? |
| 16:34.29 | DarkFlib | not really |
| 16:38.17 | blitzrage | hrmmm... I keep getting an error on my foreach for some reason -- I must not be grabbing the values correctly or something... |
| 16:38.43 | blitzrage | <select style="width: 280px;" class="" name="core[pbx]" onchange="SelectPBX()"> |
| 16:38.57 | blitzrage | then do I need to do a $myCore = $_POST['core']; ? |
| 16:39.01 | DarkFlib | post it to a phpinfo page... you can see how they variables are being seen by php |
| 16:44.56 | blitzrage | hrmmm... just tried that, the phpinfo page didn't really show me anything |
| 16:45.19 | DarkFlib | you are looking for the _GET or _POST sections |
| 16:45.29 | blitzrage | nothing existed |
| 16:45.42 | blitzrage | I didn't see any _GET or _POST stuff |
| 16:46.07 | blitzrage | my brain is just not working today -- I can't even remember how to just print out all the $_POST array values |
| 16:46.21 | DarkFlib | print_r($_POST) |
| 16:48.43 | blitzrage | ok good.. then I did remember :) |
| 16:49.23 | blitzrage | ok cool -- I got it working now -- I had removed the name from the <form> but i needed it for the javascript to know where to get some values |
| 16:55.32 | blitzrage | doh -- all my POST variables are one submission behind |
| 17:14.35 | DarkFlib | next keynote is starting |
| 17:20.57 | blitzrage | trying to load it now |
| 17:21.05 | blitzrage | so slow :( |
| 17:21.40 | blitzrage | heh... now it needs flash -- never did before :D |
| 17:21.47 | DarkFlib | hmm.. |
| 17:23.12 | DarkFlib | gonna have to go out after this keynote |
| 17:28.26 | blitzrage | video keynote -- cool |
| 17:28.35 | blitzrage | guess that's why I needed flash |
| 17:38.23 | DarkFlib | still, its not a bad interface |
| 17:38.37 | blitzrage | nope |
| 17:38.42 | blitzrage | once it works, it seems to go fine |
| 17:38.48 | DarkFlib | the first keynote was video as well |
| 17:38.52 | blitzrage | ah |
| 17:39.33 | DarkFlib | seemed that the video was pre-recorded... then it dropped to audio-only for the q&a session |
| 17:39.40 | blitzrage | hrmmm... I think what I'm going to do for my GUI is make a page an object, then assign the "UPDATE" string to the page so when a Save button is hit, then the appropriate update string is used to update the DB |
| 17:40.20 | blitzrage | if I perform an UPDATE via SQL, and the data doesn't exist, will it automatically perform an INSERT? |
| 17:40.57 | DarkFlib | do asterisk apps have full access to the headers in sip? |
| 17:41.15 | DarkFlib | or is it abstracted to an internal structure? |
| 17:41.19 | blitzrage | don't think so -- just the extended headers you add with SIPAddHeader and SIPGetHeader |
| 17:41.28 | blitzrage | internal structure I'm pretty sure |
| 17:41.40 | DarkFlib | SIPGetHeader... that would do *exactly* what I want |
| 17:41.45 | DarkFlib | :) |
| 17:41.46 | blitzrage | :D |
| 17:41.48 | blitzrage | nice |
| 17:41.53 | blitzrage | glad I could be of some use :) |
| 17:42.19 | blitzrage | but that only gets the extra info you add with AddHeader |
| 17:42.30 | blitzrage | don't think it lets you get all SIP header info |
| 17:42.39 | DarkFlib | hmmm... |
| 17:42.42 | DarkFlib | shame |
| 17:42.45 | blitzrage | aye |
| 17:42.57 | blitzrage | talk to oej -- he seems ot be online -- he'd know for sure :D |
| 17:43.12 | DarkFlib | have to be tomorrow... |
| 17:43.28 | blitzrage | coo |
| 17:43.35 | DarkFlib | toying with the idea of hacking asterisk to be a media server |
| 17:43.53 | DarkFlib | since thats the only part I haven't got sorted atm |
| 17:45.28 | DarkFlib | still, I might have to custom build my own app framework to avoid license issues |
| 17:47.44 | DarkFlib | might be able to use the nokia UMA capable phones to integrate them into a SIP network |
| 17:47.55 | DarkFlib | require some custom code tho |
| 17:48.03 | DarkFlib | ttl... |
| 17:48.06 | DarkFlib | gotta run |
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| 19:57.16 | Alric | Greetings! |
| 20:19.35 | blitzrage | hoi! |
| 20:20.51 | Alric | Hoi? |
| 20:21.04 | Alric | Oh, apparently someone got 8.x SIP firmware working with Asterisk / 7960 |
| 20:22.01 | blitzrage | oh really |
| 20:22.02 | blitzrage | nice |
| 20:22.47 | Alric | Apparently it "just works" |
| 20:22.54 | Alric | So now I have conflicting reports! |
| 20:24.14 | blitzrage | all you can do is try it then |
| 20:24.20 | Alric | Yeah |
| 20:24.28 | Alric | Nearest Cisco phone is at home though. |
| 20:24.41 | blitzrage | anyone know of a simple way to check from the CLI if a calls media is being proxied via Asterisk (i.e. no canreinvite?) |
| 20:24.55 | Alric | rtp debug? |
| 20:25.03 | blitzrage | I guess... seems sloppy |
| 20:26.09 | Alric | Only way I know of |
| 20:40.41 | Alric | Hrm |
| 20:40.46 | Alric | Anyone gone through the Polycom RMA process? |
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| 21:20.03 | jsmith | blitzrage: sip show user? |
| 21:20.24 | jsmith | Alric: No, but let me know how it goes -- I'm supposed to be getting a large collection of dead Polycoms soon. |
| 21:42.32 | Alric | They do it through their resellers. |
| 21:42.33 | Alric | Meh. |
| 22:01.23 | jsmith | Uh, you know that you can sign up to be a reseller, right? |
| 22:22.54 | Alric | ... |
| 22:22.58 | Alric | Eh? |
| 22:28.01 | jsmith | Uh, yeah... |
| 22:33.40 | Alric | Where? |
| 22:53.31 | jsmith | Hold please... |
| 22:55.37 | jsmith | http://extranet.polycom.com/psp/ps/CUSTOMER/CUST/e/?url=http://forms.polycom.com/certification/cp_home.html |
| 23:06.20 | Alric | Cool |
| 23:08.26 | jsmith | Probably |
| 23:08.56 | Alric | To be a product specialist, you have to be an authorized reseller. |
| 23:09.08 | Alric | This is probably intentionally confusing. |
