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| 15:36.53 | blitzrage | morning all |
| 15:36.57 | Alric | Hey |
| 15:42.53 | Alric | WHats up? |
| 15:43.13 | jsmith | blitzrage! |
| 15:43.14 | jsmith | Alric! |
| 15:43.57 | Alric | Woah. |
| 15:43.59 | Alric | Starcraft works on Mac? |
| 15:44.01 | blitzrage | Alric: ewwww... its almost always cheaper to buy the book |
| 15:44.12 | Alric | This isn't published. |
| 15:44.15 | Alric | As far as I know. |
| 15:44.42 | jsmith | Alric: lulu.com |
| 15:45.06 | Alric | hehe |
| 15:50.37 | Alric | Meh. |
| 15:50.40 | Alric | Someone stole my paper. |
| 15:52.44 | jsmith | Doh! |
| 15:53.11 | Alric | Awww. Starcraft requires OS 9 :( |
| 15:53.19 | Alric | Pity. |
| 15:54.01 | jsmith | :-( |
| 15:54.10 | blitzrage | booo starcraft |
| 16:18.28 | Alric | I hate GUI design. |
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| 17:08.10 | *** topic/#asterisk-doc is http://www.asteriskdocs.org || Asterisk: The Future of Telephony published by O'Reilly Media -- http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/asterisk/ -- neary 10,000 copies sold! |
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| 18:14.09 | Alric | I really like this Polycom 600. |
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| 20:00.06 | blitzrage | I don't mind GUI design -- its the programming I hate |
| 20:00.18 | blitzrage | and I only hate programming because I've NEVER taken a programming class |
| 20:00.22 | jsmith | blitzrage: And boy, are we trying to turn you into a programmer... |
| 20:00.34 | jsmith | blitzrage: How's it going, anyway -- I hardly talk to you anymore |
| 20:00.54 | blitzrage | and I keep telling people I am not programmer, but they keep telling me to do it anyways, then get mad when it takes me 8 times as long as a real programmer would take |
| 20:01.46 | blitzrage | jsmith: it goes like crap -- I need to learn programming SO badly... actually -- what I really need is someone who can program to work on the same project as me, and just give me peices of it. That way I know I'm not going in the wrong direction, and then I can actually learn how to do it |
| 20:02.11 | Alric | I had that a while back. |
| 20:02.20 | blitzrage | right now its JUST me programming, and maintaining the asterisk boxes, and doing tech support, and everything else |
| 20:02.44 | Alric | Except I'm also Sales, Billing, Accounting, Financing, and Management as well... |
| 20:03.31 | Alric | So today's mission has been "Company Training Manual" |
| 20:03.44 | Alric | And this lovely Asterisk: The Future of Telephony is aiding very nicely in that :) |
| 20:03.55 | blitzrage | thats fine -- I can WRITE documentation, its programming I suck ass at |
| 20:03.59 | blitzrage | its very defalting |
| 20:04.03 | blitzrage | deflating* |
| 20:04.08 | Alric | Before I was doing this, I was writing a GUI. |
| 20:04.18 | blitzrage | I'm writing SEVERAL GUI's |
| 20:04.27 | blitzrage | which is unfortunately |
| 20:04.30 | blitzrage | unfortunate* |
| 20:04.36 | Alric | And the first error checking I've done thus far. Its been UI design that kills me though |
| 20:04.50 | blitzrage | thats fine -- I'm good at UI design |
| 20:05.03 | Alric | We're different :P |
| 20:05.12 | blitzrage | cool -- I'll make the UI, you program it :) |
| 20:06.00 | Alric | hehe |
| 20:11.53 | blitzrage | jsmith: hopefully I can convince you to work with me at night during VON on some programming -- Paul and I are going to start working on some GUI stuff here today so that both of us are working on the same code base to help move things forward faster -- hopefully I can convince you to also get in on this :) |
| 20:13.01 | jsmith | blitzrage: I'd be happy to do what I can :-) |
| 20:13.56 | blitzrage | I imagine I'd love programming too if I was good at it and it didn't take me so freakishly long to do anything... |
| 20:15.41 | Alric | :( |
| 20:15.56 | Alric | Yeah, it can take a long time sometimes. |
| 20:16.36 | blitzrage | not sometimes... all the time for me :( |
| 20:16.53 | Alric | Its just getting used to it. |
| 20:17.00 | Alric | Complicated things take me forever to do. |
| 20:17.07 | Alric | I've been off and on working on this GUI for a long time. |
| 20:17.10 | Alric | And its almost no where. |
| 20:17.38 | blitzrage | yeppers... |
| 20:19.34 | blitzrage | I just need a good framework to work from -- right now, the GUI system I have (I didn't program it, I'm just maintaning it), gets exponentially harder to add new options each time something needs to be done, and needs to be updated in like 5 places -- which of course causes a good chance for errors. Right now I'm trying to determine a straight forward, object oriented solution so that each "object" is independant and not reliant upon other things |
| 20:20.21 | Alric | So my GUI is a mess. |
| 20:20.28 | Alric | But thats alright. |
| 20:22.07 | blitzrage | OOP isn't too hard once you sit down and just learn it a bit -- OOP in PHP is pretty decent from what I've been able to do |
| 20:22.27 | Alric | OOP in PHP 5 is pretty decent. |
| 20:22.41 | blitzrage | OOP in PHP5 and using Pear::DB has made things much easier so far -- just started looking at autoExecute() in Pear::DB today, and that is very cool as well |
| 20:22.54 | blitzrage | how do you know OOP in PHP5 is decent if you've never done OOPing? :) |
| 20:23.19 | Alric | He's been doing OOP since PHP3. |
| 20:23.22 | Alric | or so |
| 20:23.43 | Alric | And thats pretty much all he's been doing for the last 3 years. To me, at least, he's very good at it. |
| 20:25.02 | blitzrage | wierd.. because real OOP hasn't really been in PHP until v.5 :) |
| 20:25.10 | blitzrage | previous OOP in PHP was pseudo :D |
| 20:25.48 | Alric | It was there. |
| 20:25.55 | Alric | All the classes and what not. |
| 20:26.07 | Alric | It just wasn't pretty until v.5, like you said. |
| 20:28.12 | blitzrage | :) |
| 20:28.30 | blitzrage | holy crap, its 3:30 already |
| 20:29.59 | Alric | Yeah |
| 20:31.32 | blitzrage | good thing I've gotten nothing done today! :) |
| 20:32.46 | blitzrage | I made lunch... does that count? :) |
| 20:32.49 | Alric | and started the training of my Minion :) |
| 20:38.52 | jsmith | Alric: You have a henchman? All I have is blitzrage |
| 20:41.40 | Alric | Yeah... |
| 20:42.29 | blitzrage | Alric: that almost sounded like a compliment... :) |
| 20:42.39 | Alric | :P |
| 20:52.20 | jsmith | brb... My LCD just showed up, and I've gotta see if it works now. |
| 20:53.46 | blitzrage | mmm |
| 20:53.51 | Alric | Plural |
| 20:53.55 | Alric | and a PowerMac to run them. |
| 20:54.12 | blitzrage | I need to make an Apple t-shirt and put a circle and a line through it |
| 20:54.14 | Alric | Or I would. |
| 20:54.29 | blitzrage | hrmmm... I should just find an apple tshirt when I'm in SJ and do that with a black marker :D |
| 20:54.30 | Alric | I need to make a "51st State above Montana" shirt and put bullet holes in it. |
| 20:55.45 | jsmith | Hmmmmmn..... beautiful! |
| 20:55.58 | jsmith | It works! |
| 20:56.01 | jsmith | It really works! |
| 20:56.05 | Alric | What works? |
| 20:56.08 | Alric | What kind of monitor? |
| 20:56.21 | jsmith | Acer 17" LCD |
| 20:56.26 | Alric | Oh |
| 20:56.36 | jsmith | Got it for Christmas, but it had issues. |
| 20:56.44 | jsmith | So I had to send it to Texas. |
| 20:56.55 | Alric | Muhaha. |
| 20:56.57 | jsmith | And, lo and behold, it's back. And it's fixed. |
| 20:57.03 | jsmith | And they even extended the warranty for me. |
| 20:57.05 | Alric | Cause we Texans rock. |
| 20:57.15 | jsmith | Whatever |
| 20:57.23 | Alric | If you'd have sent it to Canada, you might have gotten it back 10 years from now, and it might work. |
| 20:57.47 | Alric | Although not with any technology still in use at that time :) |
| 20:57.56 | jsmith | whatever |
| 20:58.11 | Alric | </SlamCanada> |
| 21:06.42 | jsmith | Alric: It's a good way to get people fired. |
| 21:08.39 | Alric | What, observing employees? |
| 21:08.45 | Alric | Training? |
| 21:10.54 | jsmith | Observing supervisors in a call center environment |
| 21:11.13 | jsmith | To make a long story short, I was doing some IT work in a call center. |
| 21:11.24 | jsmith | The supervisors were playing games online instead of doing their job. |
| 21:11.47 | jsmith | I called my boss over, told him what was going on, he pulled up VNC in observe mode, watched them play games, and then fired their sorry butts. |
| 21:11.53 | Alric | Heh. |
| 21:23.12 | blitzrage | weeee |
| 21:25.41 | Alric | whee indeed. |
| 21:25.44 | Alric | One page of the GUI is done. |
| 21:35.58 | Alric | ugh |
| 21:36.00 | Alric | Not done. |
| 21:36.51 | Alric | Nevermind... |
| 21:40.56 | jsmith | Alric: What's your regex question? |
| 21:41.19 | Alric | Needed to make sure something was numeric. |
| 21:41.22 | Alric | And only numeric. |
| 21:41.28 | Alric | But I found the is_numeric() function in PHP |
| 21:43.14 | jsmith | Uh, you'll want to enforce it on the server side as well. |
| 21:43.20 | Alric | Of course. |
| 21:43.22 | jsmith | Otherwise, it's easy to overcome... |
| 21:43.30 | Alric | I've moved from server side to user side though. |
| 21:44.07 | Alric | First verify the input, then make it more user intuitive so they don't have to bang their heads against walls to find input that works :) |
| 21:44.59 | Alric | geez |
| 21:45.00 | Alric | maxlength |
| 21:47.24 | jsmith | Uh, are you sure you want to do user-side validation? |
| 21:47.29 | jsmith | It sure is easy to sidestep |
| 21:53.35 | Alric | I'm doing both? |
| 21:54.32 | Alric | Like limiting the field to only accept a certain number of characters, then the backend checks it to make sure thats actually the case before proceeding. |
| 22:02.29 | jsmith | OK. |
| 22:02.32 | jsmith | Then you're fine. |
| 22:02.44 | jsmith | When you said you moved from server-side to client-side, you had me worried. |
| 22:03.23 | Alric | I meant moved from as in I accomplished one part, then moved on to the other part :) |
| 22:04.10 | jsmith | Aha! |
| 22:04.15 | jsmith | That makes much more sense. |
| 22:09.06 | Alric | Wow. |
| 22:09.10 | Alric | Just got a report. |
| 22:09.17 | Alric | Someone calls out from line 1, and DTMF works outbound. |
| 22:09.23 | Alric | They call from line 3, DTMF no work. |
| 22:09.44 | Alric | its a SIP registration to the same exact PBX, which dials out the same way. |
| 22:10.50 | Alric | Thats baffling. |
| 22:24.19 | Alric | Wow |
| 22:24.33 | Alric | France is apparently trying to push through a law that would destroy DRM :) |
| 22:24.36 | Alric | As we know it, anyway. |
| 22:28.09 | jsmith | Doubt it'll ever fly. |
| 22:37.34 | Alric | Yeah |