| 00:16.06 | blitzrage | trelane: welcome! |
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| 15:02.15 | trelane` | blitzrage, sorry I missed you, ping me when you wake up please |
| 15:02.26 | trelane` | or, if you're awake now |
| 15:02.31 | trelane` | (as you appear to be) |
| 15:03.59 | blitzrage | I'm awake now :) |
| 15:07.51 | trelane` | I'm at the point where I'm fairly fluent in extensions queues meetme etc. Write something we don't have much done doesn't quite work, I really dont have an idea what needs to be written, but if you'll give me a couple recipe requests, I can definately do some documentation |
| 15:09.25 | trelane` | as the command refrence in *:TFOT gets out of date I'm starting to get annoyed searching for applications that have been changed or replaced, therefore helping to get the next book out seems to make sense to me :) |
| 15:13.51 | blitzrage | yah... totally. The problem with writing is that doesn't pay well, and takes a lot of time, so I've kind of been avoiding working on the 2nd book because once I'm done doing my main work for the day, I'm not really in the mood to write again :) |
| 15:14.20 | trelane` | I understand, and I'm willing to help, the pay doesn't matter to me as much as the experience does :) |
| 15:14.53 | trelane` | so I guess it's up to you what you want me to do? |
| 15:14.55 | blitzrage | I mean honestly, your best bet is to just pick a couple of recipes that you know, and write them up. If their good, they'll get into the book, and you'll be asked to write more for sure. |
| 15:15.36 | blitzrage | You'll not be stepping over anything because we haven't actually gotten anywhere other than 6 recipes so far. They also have to be in the style of O'Reilly's standard recipe style as well. |
| 15:16.02 | blitzrage | Anything that isn't quite "perfect" is fine, that's what editors and peer reviews are for. |
| 15:36.39 | trelane` | I've got 3 orielly cookbooks on my desk |
| 15:36.59 | trelane` | so I'm familiar with the style |
| 15:37.05 | blitzrage | perfect |
| 15:50.40 | trelane` | http://pastebin.ca/170381 |
| 15:52.01 | trelane` | blitzrage, does that appear sane? |
| 15:53.00 | blitzrage | oh I should probably also mention that we're doing this in DocBook using XXE so that we can keep the stuff in an SVN server |
| 15:53.50 | blitzrage | in the Problem, I might make that more general -- people aren't going to know what hinting is, but you could explain that in the discussion |
| 15:54.06 | trelane` | right |
| 15:54.15 | blitzrage | but yah, thats totally the style |
| 15:54.24 | blitzrage | thats a great first stab at it |
| 15:54.26 | trelane` | I've never written in docbook, where might one find out about this? |
| 15:54.51 | blitzrage | oh, just grab a copy of XXE (there a free version) and use that so you don't have to learn the docbook tags |
| 16:00.20 | blitzrage | nice... so this talk about show channels in #asterisk-dev got me thinking about a recipe that shows people how to get around the CLI |
| 16:01.33 | trelane` | I think we need to take the CLI command reference and the application reference from TFOT and update it |
| 16:01.45 | trelane` | I barely read the rest of TFOT but I've about worn the command reference out |
| 16:02.28 | blitzrage | thats awesome, so glad to hear that |
| 16:02.33 | blitzrage | that might not be a bad idea... |
| 16:02.47 | blitzrage | especially since it doesn't look like we're going to get aroudn to updating TFOT for a bit yet |
| 16:02.54 | trelane` | agreed |
| 16:03.19 | blitzrage | I need to do some more stuff with ODBC since I have a few recipes that I could pull out from there |
| 16:03.32 | trelane` | that command reference was the bible for the first few sites I rolled out. Doing a hobbiest box (I have been running asterisk since '04 at home) is quite a bit different than doing a box handling a PRI and 2k calls/day |
| 16:04.08 | trelane` | I have ODBC_CDR set up and can do a recipe for that (I've learned LOTS about how NOT to do that) |
| 16:05.08 | blitzrage | awesome! |
| 16:05.20 | blitzrage | I haven't done CDR stuff at all -- avoided it and let the softswitch do the billing :) |
| 16:05.37 | trelane` | CDR is a bitch, and it's really hard to do properly |
| 16:05.49 | blitzrage | yah, thats what I hear |
| 16:05.58 | trelane` | I havn't done any account code stuff or any custom cdr, but I have set up and deployed cdr_addon_mysql and cdr_odbc in production |
| 16:06.19 | trelane` | as well as the cdr batching and asterisk-stat-v2 (areski) |
| 16:06.44 | trelane` | http://mysql1.allthingsit.com/bdrcdr l:andrew p:deltak95 |
| 16:07.39 | blitzrage | well those will be useful, and will tie into the res_odbc recipe, then I'll go onto func_odbc and maybe some realtime stuff (haven't set that up either, but I'm better at DBs now that I think I shouldn't have too much of a problem with that now) |
| 16:08.27 | blitzrage | trelane`: is this areski? |
| 16:08.32 | trelane` | blitzrage, yes |
| 16:08.38 | blitzrage | wow, looks nicer than I expected |
| 16:08.54 | trelane` | cdr_odbc over the internet to a mysql database, pulled from mysql by asterisk-stat |
| 16:08.59 | trelane` | it looks better as you add calls |
| 16:09.07 | trelane` | useless for systems doing <200 calls/day |
| 16:09.22 | blitzrage | hrmmm |
| 16:09.24 | trelane` | is there a template for cookbook? |
| 16:09.25 | blitzrage | interesting :) |
| 16:09.49 | blitzrage | ummm, yah, there is some stuff in the SVN server -- what I should do is get you hooked up with Michael and get you SVN access |
| 16:09.55 | trelane` | sure |
| 16:10.17 | trelane` | or if you've got the copy DCC it to me, I'm not too savvy with SVN (I'm much more an admin than a developer!) |
| 16:10.55 | blitzrage | actually, can you shoot me an email with your name and maybe a very brief bio? leif.madsen@gmail.com |
| 16:11.09 | blitzrage | let me look to see if I have a template here for XXE local |
| 16:11.51 | blitzrage | I do have one! |
| 16:12.27 | trelane` | e-mail to trelane@trelane.net? |
| 16:13.30 | blitzrage | will do |
| 16:13.35 | blitzrage | should be there in 5 mins or < |
| 16:15.33 | blitzrage | sent |
| 16:18.45 | trelane` | bio sent |
| 16:24.22 | blitzrage | nice |
| 16:26.50 | trelane` | I deploy snom almost exclusively, so hinting is almost second nature at this point |
| 16:30.01 | trelane` | hrm, how do I add another regular unformatted text field? (I'm converting the hints recipe) |
| 16:34.30 | blitzrage | hrmmm... good question... I guess I haven't done enough to really know |
| 16:35.04 | blitzrage | it took me a little bit to figure it out last time I tried to write a recipe... I admit its not the most user friendly system, but it does allow us to keep everything in SVN easier... |
| 16:48.32 | trelane` | it's called para |
| 16:48.36 | trelane` | short for paragraph |
| 16:56.24 | trelane` | lunch |
| 16:56.25 | trelane` | back in a bit |
| 17:16.36 | trelane` | back, though still @ lunch |
| 17:17.43 | trelane` | ok this XXS is pretty user-friendly, let me know when you've got time and I'll walk you through what I've learned |
| 17:19.26 | blitzrage | lol, nice! :) |
| 17:19.32 | blitzrage | maybe later tonight? |
| 17:19.36 | trelane` | sure |
| 17:19.38 | blitzrage | what timezone you in? |
| 17:19.38 | trelane` | what tz are you? |
| 17:19.40 | trelane` | lol |
| 17:19.42 | blitzrage | lol |
| 17:19.43 | trelane` | EST |
| 17:19.44 | blitzrage | EST |
| 17:19.46 | blitzrage | HAHA |
| 17:19.49 | blitzrage | we're twins! |
| 17:19.50 | trelane` | bash.org? |
| 17:19.57 | blitzrage | do it :) |
| 17:20.49 | trelane` | I was once a mod there |
| 17:20.54 | trelane` | I'll bet simply on that it'll get approved |
| 17:21.13 | blitzrage | niiiiice -- I'd be famous! :) |
| 17:21.22 | trelane` | you forgot the in |
| 17:21.23 | trelane` | as infameous |
| 17:21.31 | blitzrage | I assumed it was implied |
| 17:22.03 | blitzrage | I need some compressed air to clean out this damn laptop keyboard |
| 17:37.12 | trelane` | check your e-mail |
| 17:37.16 | trelane` | now you have 7 articles |
| 17:37.19 | trelane` | let me know what legalese is required |
| 17:38.17 | trelane` | oof |
| 17:38.18 | trelane` | ignore the e-mail |
| 17:38.31 | blitzrage | lol |
| 17:39.03 | trelane` | forgot a tip I wanted to add |
| 17:39.09 | trelane` | I was waiting for asterisk to generate an error for me |
| 17:39.42 | blitzrage | gotcha |
| 17:45.29 | trelane` | ok now try it |
| 17:46.25 | trelane` | ooh and if you're trying to figure out how formatting has been done |
| 17:46.33 | trelane` | open an article that already has it in a web browser and look at the raw markup |
| 17:46.43 | trelane` | the layout is actually pretty simple and easy to follow |
| 17:50.01 | trelane` | let me know what you think |
| 17:50.25 | trelane` | ooh and I can write you a war and peace style volume on timing |
| 17:52.53 | blitzrage | lol, fantastic :) |
| 17:53.00 | blitzrage | you might get me excited to write some stuff... |
| 17:53.14 | blitzrage | haven't opened the email yet, but will after my conference calls this afternoon |
| 17:53.19 | blitzrage | have one in about 7mins |
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| 19:08.04 | trelane` | yes you must get back on the ball |
| 19:08.10 | trelane` | there are books we must write to keep me from looking stupid! |
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| 19:16.33 | trelane` | this has to be the most asanine ticket I've ever gotten |
| 19:16.52 | trelane` | Intermittant caller ID "Sometimes the name of our customer shows up and sometimes just the number, it used to be just the name, can we change it back to just the name?" |
| 19:17.53 | blitzrag1 | guh |
| 19:18.02 | blitzrag1 | yah... you won't get a name if no name is provided |
| 19:19.37 | trelane` | no kidding |
| 19:19.44 | trelane` | though asterisk-stat comes in useful |
| 19:20.56 | trelane` | copy and paste the cdr off to the customer "not our problem" |
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| 19:22.30 | blitzrage | :D |
| 19:22.31 | blitzrage | nice |
| 19:23.32 | trelane` | I like asterisk-stat |
| 19:23.36 | trelane` | not a huge fan of flash panel |
| 19:24.04 | trelane` | in my experience the time to configure greatly exceeds it's benefit if any |
| 19:26.33 | trelane` | 74kmin last month on the roofing company, they're at 30k already this month |
| 19:29.23 | trelane` | and now it is my problem because it was forwarded to the provider with my name mentioned in 3 seperate places |
| 19:32.24 | blitzrage | ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!! |
| 19:32.28 | blitzrage | I love that :) |
| 20:01.53 | trelane` | and now he wants a sip debug |
| 20:02.05 | trelane` | I just sent you the #$%@#$%'ing CDR! Debug wont help |
| 20:05.40 | blitzrage | people are dumb |
| 20:11.45 | trelane` | does "shut up, I wrote a book on this" help? |
| 20:11.56 | trelane` | I'm planning on using that in the future |
| 20:13.07 | blitzrage | LOL |
| 20:13.16 | blitzrage | not really... just means people think you should help them more |
| 20:13.32 | blitzrage | oh, and for free |
| 20:13.37 | blitzrage | I just ignore those emails now |
| 20:33.35 | trelane` | indeed |
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| 20:59.11 | trelane` | ok |
| 20:59.21 | trelane` | who feels like an impromptu meeting on the layout and project? |
| 21:24.19 | blitzrage | I guess I do... :) |
| 21:31.02 | trelane` | ok got free ld? I've got a confrence bridge that can be used |
| 21:31.33 | trelane` | or if it's just going to be you and me a phonecall will probably suffice |
| 21:32.04 | blitzrage | yah... I can IRC for now, but not really talk since it ususally causes my multitasking abilities to die |
| 21:32.08 | trelane` | hrm... I believe I'll bring my cattle prod tomorrow for the rest (especially jbot, everyone knows he's a slacker!) |
| 21:32.24 | blitzrage | jbot: slacker! |
| 21:33.14 | trelane` | ok... the most useful tool in the XML Mind XML Editor is the View > 0 no style sheet option. This cuts bare the xml formatting in the document allowing you to determine how the section you want to emulate is "styled" |
| 21:33.48 | trelane` | plain text is styled as para, while the sections of code or typed files are styled as programlisting |
| 21:34.08 | trelane` | tip's use the tip style, and there are styles for alerts and other such things |
| 21:34.31 | trelane` | to change style, select the block of previous style right-click and select insert after, then select the style from the box at the upper left. |
| 21:35.25 | trelane` | I wrote a recipe for hints today IE exten => number,hint,media/context |
| 21:36.06 | trelane` | I'm working on one now for timing (which will be long and require much editing by other people, because I can already tell that it's extremely dry and extremely long) |
| 21:38.26 | blitzrage | hehehe :) |
| 21:40.16 | trelane` | this software (or at least the free version I'm using) is fairly user-friendly (I havn't resorted to the manual yet) |
| 21:41.04 | trelane` | but we definately need to get 60-80 recipes written and then figure out what we've got |
| 21:41.15 | trelane` | I want to do a recipe for EVERY application that can be called from a dialplan |
| 21:41.26 | trelane` | though I'm going to need to find a current list of said applications |
| 21:41.35 | trelane` | any idea where we got the original command reference for TFOT? |
| 21:50.21 | blitzrage | trelane`: hehehe, sorry :) |
| 21:50.27 | blitzrage | trelane`: *CLI> show applications |
| 21:50.46 | blitzrage | and also going into the apps dir of the source to see what apps could be built |
| 21:50.55 | trelane` | I think I'll look towards option B |
| 21:51.04 | trelane` | I'll probably go through ALL of those and write a recipe |
| 21:53.26 | trelane` | this timing article is going to suck |
| 21:53.28 | trelane` | but its a good start |
| 21:57.26 | trelane` | wow, I just spent 10 minutes editing in the raw xml view, and it's fairly productive, you might just want to use it |
| 22:00.35 | blitzrage | lol |
| 22:00.39 | blitzrage | nice |
| 22:01.13 | blitzrage | yah -- we do have a framework we want to try and stick to, so don't get toooo crazy :) But let me email Michael before I forget and try to get you some SVN access (its easy to use, I'll teach you) |
| 22:01.21 | trelane` | ok |
| 22:01.25 | trelane` | I've got a timing article for you |
| 22:04.24 | trelane` | sent |
| 22:04.57 | blitzrage | nice |
| 22:05.03 | trelane` | found an unfinished sentence |
| 22:05.13 | trelane` | but other than that it would have fixed my timing issues the first day I had them |
| 22:06.36 | trelane` | when do you head out? it's 6pm EST now |
| 22:06.56 | blitzrage | I don't head out -- I work from home :) |
| 22:07.12 | blitzrage | although I'm having a beer and waiting for the room mate to get home with EA NHL 2007 :) |
| 22:08.35 | trelane` | good call |
| 22:08.37 | blitzrage | ok, forwarding your recipes off to Michael -- that should make him happy :) |
| 22:08.38 | trelane` | what kind of beer? |
| 22:08.47 | blitzrage | Amsterdam Dutch Amber Lager |
| 22:08.49 | blitzrage | very tasty |
| 22:08.55 | trelane` | I think we can work together. |
| 22:08.59 | blitzrage | lol |
| 22:09.10 | blitzrage | where you located? |
| 22:09.21 | blitzrage | I assume south |
| 22:09.22 | trelane` | indianapolis |
| 22:09.26 | blitzrage | ahhh I see |
| 22:09.31 | blitzrage | <-- Toronto |
| 22:11.12 | trelane` | wow, and you don't drink crap beer either |
| 22:13.27 | blitzrage | of course not |
| 22:13.45 | blitzrage | $21 for 2x 6 packs |
| 22:13.52 | blitzrage | good stuff though |
| 22:15.23 | trelane` | I've been known to spend $50 on a six pack |
| 22:15.28 | blitzrage | wow |
| 22:15.31 | blitzrage | thats like... wine :) |
| 22:15.38 | trelane` | lets not talk about wine ;) |
| 22:15.40 | blitzrage | LOL |
| 22:15.44 | blitzrage | I have a wine rack I have to fill |
| 22:15.47 | blitzrage | I just moved |
| 22:15.50 | blitzrage | red or white? |
| 22:16.10 | blitzrage | yah, I think we'll get along juuuuuuuuust fiiiiiine :) |
| 22:16.44 | trelane` | pino, clarets, rhone valley wines |
| 22:17.03 | trelane` | reislings |
| 22:17.10 | trelane` | anything made by Bollinger |
| 22:17.19 | blitzrage | btw: I'm a nub when it comes to wine, I just started this year :) |
| 22:17.54 | blitzrage | so I'll have to use your knowledge to figure out what to stock in this rack |
| 22:18.08 | trelane` | well Bollinger starts at $50 or so a bottle |
| 22:18.16 | trelane` | it's a Pino blend champaigne |
| 22:18.24 | blitzrage | is that a red or white? |
| 22:18.27 | trelane` | white |
| 22:18.33 | trelane` | almost all champagnes are white |
| 22:18.33 | blitzrage | bleh |
| 22:18.35 | blitzrage | ahhh |
| 22:18.39 | blitzrage | I'm a red wine fan |
| 22:18.45 | trelane` | ought to try it |
| 22:18.48 | blitzrage | Ontario has some decent ice wines |
| 22:18.53 | trelane` | indeed they so |
| 22:18.54 | trelane` | do |
| 22:18.57 | trelane` | shame they don't make it down here |
| 22:19.02 | blitzrage | too hot :) |
| 22:19.10 | trelane` | I'd have to go to my rack to make recomemendations on a red |
| 22:19.54 | trelane` | I don't have the budget to do it but every time I've got some extra money I walk into the local wine shop and say "if money wasn't an object what bottle of <type of wine> would you take home tonight" |
| 22:19.55 | trelane` | and then buy one |
| 22:20.04 | trelane` | although this is a helluva wine shop |
| 22:20.11 | trelane` | (this is generally not advised) |
| 22:20.41 | trelane` | what reds are you drinking now (that aren't canadian, as my selection here from canada is minimal) |
| 22:21.25 | trelane` | (the six pack of beer was 2 bottles of westmalle, 3 rochefortes and a westveterlen (all Belgian monastic triple and quad ales) |
| 22:23.48 | blitzrage | wow |
| 22:24.05 | trelane` | worth every penny. |
| 22:24.06 | blitzrage | yah right now... no idea... I just buy random bottles, and I haven't bought anything since I moved (wine rack is empty) |
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| 22:24.38 | trelane` | blitzrage, are these just idlers or are there any other contributors at this point? |
| 22:25.02 | blitzrage | mostly idle other than Alric and jsmith -- but we don't usually talk about documentation in here :) |
| 22:25.05 | blitzrage | just work stuff mostly |
| 22:25.43 | blitzrage | I'll have to go find some ice wines coming up soon |
| 22:26.02 | blitzrage | not into the high budget wine yet though since I don't drink it enough |
| 22:26.11 | trelane` | if you're willing we might start using this too,and using the list for review of articles |
| 22:26.20 | blitzrage | when you open a bottle, if you recork it is it still good to go, or is it "finish once open" |
| 22:26.25 | blitzrage | totally |
| 22:26.33 | blitzrage | this channel is fine to use for whatever we want |
| 22:26.39 | trelane` | I generally find that reds don't recork well once opened |
| 22:26.41 | blitzrage | especially if its doc related |
| 22:26.42 | trelane` | whites are a mixed bag |
| 22:26.50 | blitzrage | yah, thats what I figured |
| 22:26.50 | trelane` | champagnes are drink once opened |
| 22:27.15 | trelane` | one exception, old vine merlot's (and most good merlot's) will recork for a day or two if kept VERY cold |
| 22:29.10 | trelane` | ooh, and if the thread I'm still reading @work about how the calls not routing on the provider's network are my fault, we're going to have to make the cookbook thick so it can be used as a weapon :) |
| 22:29.43 | blitzrage | LOL |
| 22:30.47 | trelane` | I might do a small section on integrating snom phones with asterisk since they have all those other extra features |
| 22:33.28 | trelane` | call record, voicemail button etc |
| 22:34.22 | trelane` | ok I've got nothing to do and a pizza (in about 5 minutes) pick another recipe and I'll write it up |
| 22:36.54 | trelane` | ok, the fixed timing recipe is sent |
| 22:38.42 | trelane` | do we care about writing a recipe for asterisk -rx "some command goes here" |
| 22:39.02 | trelane` | I started one but it's going to end up filler (too simple), however it is a pretty damn useful bit of information |
| 22:44.00 | blitzrage | sorry.. brb |
| 22:48.11 | trelane` | back |
| 23:04.02 | blitzrage | me too |
| 23:04.10 | blitzrage | well... hrmmm |
| 23:04.31 | blitzrage | trelane`: well the thing is, you have to have a clearly defined Problem you are trying to solve |
| 23:05.21 | blitzrage | so for example, to do that simple recipe, you might want to do something like "Problem: How to execute CLI commands from a script" |
| 23:07.11 | trelane` | right, or how to execute CLI commands from the command line |
| 23:07.20 | trelane` | I use it all the time for things that scroll quite a bit |
| 23:07.21 | trelane` | sip show peers |
| 23:07.22 | trelane` | etc |
| 23:08.30 | blitzrage | agreed |
| 23:08.59 | blitzrage | really need to get you SVN access so you can see the layout we're trying to achieve... should hear back from Mike tomorrow I imagine |
| 23:09.12 | trelane` | good |
| 23:09.23 | trelane` | then I can see what else is in there, probably get some more ideas on what needs to be written |
| 23:09.53 | trelane` | I'm also not bad at proofreading, my father is an English major, and my reports in the gradeschool/highschool days got some pretty tough review before ever getting turned in at school |
| 23:24.51 | trelane` | so where/who is this Mike person? |
| 23:24.59 | blitzrage | yah, I'm pretty good at proofreading too |
| 23:25.09 | blitzrage | Michael K. Loukides is our editor |
| 23:25.30 | trelane` | was he the editor on TFOT? |
| 23:27.58 | blitzrage | yeppers |
| 23:28.25 | blitzrage | been an editor at O'Reilly for like... 10-15 years I think |
| 23:28.27 | trelane` | I wasn't involved then, and maybe this is out of place but tell him to relax and wait until the book is done to publish it this time :) |
| 23:29.05 | trelane` | (as queues, meetme confrencing, and dialplan scripting were only barely covered) |
| 23:29.47 | blitzrage | well, it was out first book, so a lot of that was our fault, plus we had to fight with the transition from 1.0 to 1.2 which was a major beotch |
| 23:30.04 | trelane` | yeah I know, viewers at home got to do that too! :) |
| 23:30.44 | trelane` | between you me, jbot and the fencepost, I really think digium needs a better project manager than kevin |
| 23:31.00 | blitzrage | the book was meant to be a very simple intro as well, so none of the advanced features were covered -- thats what the cookbook was/is supposed to be (Jim and I were discussing a cookbook while we were still writing TFOT) |
| 23:31.07 | trelane` | you recall the 1.2 fiasco (where it took amost a year to get out, and Mark promised that would never happen again) |
| 23:31.19 | trelane` | well we're a year down the road and 1.4 is "sometime next month" |
| 23:31.40 | blitzrage | yah... but a lot of changes yet again, and every few people to test... |
| 23:32.06 | blitzrage | I've watched what they've been doing, and a lot has been made -- the build system I'd say took 50% of the time though |
| 23:32.13 | blitzrage | that thing took forever to get built |
| 23:32.22 | trelane` | they're using autoconf/automake now right? |
| 23:32.24 | blitzrage | yep |
| 23:33.07 | blitzrage | because Asterisk was never meant to be a "big thing" |
| 23:33.26 | blitzrage | it exploded in popularity, and it was never anticipated, so a lot of things were not done "right" |
| 23:33.31 | trelane` | aah |
| 23:33.37 | blitzrage | thats why :) |
| 23:33.49 | trelane` | well there's a lot of FUD going about because of it |
| 23:33.54 | blitzrage | it was just some little project Mark started as a PBX system for Linux Support Services |
| 23:34.00 | trelane` | the codebase is/was in a sorry state (though improving) |
| 23:34.11 | blitzrage | yah well, I haven't seen anything else that is even close to Asterisk functionality, so I ignore it |
| 23:34.17 | trelane` | yeah I know but that was 99, it went big in '03 '04 |
| 23:34.24 | trelane` | I havn't either |
| 23:34.32 | trelane` | and I'm not knocking asterisk, merely the leadership |
| 23:34.41 | blitzrage | but still... thats only 2 years for a very small development team -- only now are they starting to expand |
| 23:35.01 | trelane` | I'm really hoping to see it improve in the next 6-8 months |
| 23:35.01 | blitzrage | they are still only at 5-6 core developers |
| 23:35.23 | blitzrage | and thats like... double in the last 6-8 months :) |
| 23:35.58 | blitzrage | Asterisk has improved greatly since Kevin came on actually... if it wasn't for him, Asterisk would have frozen in development due to Mark withdrawing most of his efforts on software and moving into hardware |
| 23:36.02 | trelane` | I guess I just expect a bit more out of a company with a 10mil and growing market cap |
| 23:36.25 | trelane` | perhaps it's just an issue of waiting to see it |
| 23:36.29 | blitzrage | that is still relatively early though |
| 23:36.35 | trelane` | ie a Rome wasn't built in a day scenario |
| 23:36.40 | blitzrage | takes a while for that kind of stuff to filter down |
| 23:36.45 | blitzrage | yep |
| 23:37.24 | trelane` | well even getting the codebase in a "mature" state for 1.4 will be an accomplishment |
| 23:37.24 | blitzrage | I guess I'm a bit biased as well since I know pretty much all the core guys there personally |
| 23:37.35 | trelane` | I knew file before he came to digium, and mark as well |
| 23:37.38 | trelane` | (back from the GAIM days) |
| 23:37.50 | blitzrage | yah, I knew file before he was even with Asterlink :) |
| 23:37.57 | trelane` | I may have too |
| 23:38.02 | trelane` | dunno when he started with asterlink |
| 23:38.10 | trelane` | he's cool in my book |
| 23:38.14 | blitzrage | totally |
| 23:38.23 | trelane` | I need to get to von next year, and someone needs to do an Astricon in Chicago |
| 23:38.40 | blitzrage | anyways, I've got 3 E911 portals to get setup here... guess I should get those setup |
| 23:38.45 | blitzrage | AstriCon will never happen in Chicago |
| 23:38.47 | trelane` | e911? |
| 23:38.49 | trelane` | why not? |
| 23:38.53 | blitzrage | ClueCon |
| 23:38.57 | trelane` | aah |
| 23:39.07 | blitzrage | which was basically a conference to compete with AstriCon |
| 23:39.44 | trelane` | ok get your e911 stuff done in case I burn my house down, I'm heading home, back in about 30 |
| 23:40.01 | blitzrage | lol, enjoy |