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| 16:17.51 | trelane` | ooh this is a bad idea |
| 16:18.12 | trelane` | a t1 worth of calls ALL being answered by 2 live operators |
| 16:19.10 | blitzrage | handy |
| 16:19.30 | trelane` | looks like I'm going to have to dust off my queue-foo |
| 16:19.47 | blitzrage | uhhhh... I hate level 1 tech support who continually ask you, "hey, can you tell me why this phone isn't registered?" and you continually ask, "What is the IP of the device?" |
| 16:19.47 | trelane` | which is not particularly formidible |
| 16:19.52 | blitzrage | queue isn't too hard |
| 16:20.15 | blitzrage | its actually reasonably easy |
| 16:20.40 | trelane` | right but I can never get the in-queue announce working |
| 16:20.47 | trelane` | at least timed the way I _Think_ it should be |
| 16:21.21 | blitzrage | ahhhh gotcha |
| 16:21.24 | blitzrage | never played with that stuff |
| 16:21.32 | trelane` | right |
| 16:21.35 | trelane` | getting them to work is EASY |
| 16:21.42 | trelane` | getting them to work EXACTLY RIGHT is tricky sometimes |
| 16:22.09 | trelane` | I forsee recipes being written after I get this right |
| 16:22.18 | blitzrage | nice |
| 16:22.45 | blitzrage | ugh.... guy has an web address and asks me, ".com or .net?" -- so I say, "which one works?" |
| 16:22.59 | trelane` | great |
| 16:23.14 | blitzrage | then hey says, "www.whatismyip.com or .net?" |
| 16:23.18 | trelane` | he clearly should be allowed to live when the revolution.com |
| 16:23.26 | trelane` | comes |
| 16:23.40 | blitzrage | this is going to be an entertaining day... |
| 16:26.39 | trelane` | you already missed the discussion of timing in #asterisk |
| 16:26.45 | trelane` | I'm ready to kill two users on grounds of stupidity |
| 16:26.50 | trelane` | "but they both use the same timing source" |
| 16:26.55 | trelane` | "they use it differently!" |
| 16:27.02 | trelane` | "I don't understand, so you must be wrong!" |
| 16:27.26 | blitzrage | lol |
| 17:10.32 | jsmith | blitzrage: You posted in #asterisk? I thought you were still asleep... |
| 17:12.17 | blitzrage | hehehe :) |
| 17:12.25 | blitzrage | I just posted one line then left |
| 17:12.35 | blitzrage | I think I found a bug in chan_local... :) |
| 17:12.47 | blitzrage | any idea what "terminating ANI" would be coming from? |
| 17:13.18 | blitzrage | I can't see anything wrong with this SIP packet, but the softswitch really don't like it coming from chan_local for some reason (chan_local performing the Dial()) |
| 17:13.32 | jsmith | Looking at it now. |
| 17:16.52 | blitzrage | damn you softswitch! |
| 17:17.03 | blitzrage | got it fixed now |
| 17:43.35 | trelane` | wow |
| 17:43.40 | trelane` | people talking... in here! |
| 17:45.05 | jsmith | trelane`: I've been talking in here for ages... |
| 17:45.13 | jsmith | ... going on three years now, right Leif? |
| 17:45.26 | trelane` | not a lot though, usually this channel is dead or Alric broke something |
| 17:47.41 | jsmith | Naw, blitzrage and I use it to talk about personal stuff all the time... |
| 17:53.19 | trelane` | because I'm actually writing recipes |
| 17:58.18 | jsmith | Where are your recipes going? In the book, or for the docs project? |
| 17:59.27 | jsmith | Just curious... |
| 18:02.49 | trelane` | book |
| 18:04.01 | jsmith | Oh, I had no idea... that's awesome. |
| 18:04.17 | jsmith | I was supposed to be a part of that, but had too many other things going on. |
| 18:05.37 | trelane` | so you've told me (which was partly why I've stepped in |
| 18:07.45 | trelane` | I want the book done so I can use it! :) |
| 18:08.23 | trelane` | why is that dialplan so complex? |
| 18:09.37 | blitzrage | jsmith: yes, you've been here forever! |
| 18:09.58 | trelane` | grr |
| 18:10.04 | trelane` | so much for bribing support with recipes! |
| 18:10.10 | blitzrage | heh :) |
| 18:10.49 | jsmith | I'm happy to help out though... |
| 18:10.59 | jsmith | And blitzrage & co need all the recipes they can get. |
| 18:11.12 | trelane` | agreed |
| 18:11.24 | trelane` | I've written quite a few, and some equipment requests to write equipment based recipes |
| 18:11.36 | blitzrage | yeppers... I've had no time to do anything but my regular work... |
| 18:11.45 | blitzrage | I'm sure I'm spending too many hours each day working on this stuff... |
| 18:12.27 | trelane` | blitzrage, you're definately busy |
| 18:12.46 | blitzrage | oh well... better than not having anything to do |
| 18:19.36 | trelane` | agreed :) |
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| 18:30.27 | Alric | Hey hey |
| 18:30.45 | jsmith | Alric! |
| 18:30.57 | jsmith | So, you're in love with your Linksys phone now... but you have a couple of questions. |
| 18:31.05 | Alric | Nope |
| 18:31.11 | Alric | Just stopping by after a nice range trip... |
| 18:36.17 | Alric | And discovering that I need more time on the 15 and 25 yard lines. |
| 18:51.10 | trelane` | what are you shooting? |
| 18:51.46 | Alric | .40 Baby Eagle, 9mm XD, .22 Mountain Eagle, 5.56mm AR-15 :) |
| 19:09.27 | trelane` | nice equipment |
| 19:09.32 | trelane` | but for some reason giving you that seems like a bad idea |
| 19:09.34 | trelane` | ooh well |
| 19:09.50 | Alric | giving me what? :) |
| 19:11.30 | Alric | The comment, or the equipment? |
| 19:12.16 | blitzrage | I think he's saying you shouldn't have guns because you break everything :) |
| 19:12.24 | blitzrage | I didn't say that though |
| 19:13.41 | Alric | You thought it though! |
| 19:13.48 | trelane` | close enough to my point |
| 19:13.56 | blitzrage | I certainly did not! |
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| 19:34.59 | trelane` | Alric, when I run for office in 2010, remind me to NOT make you my press secretary |
| 19:35.25 | Alric | If you're pro-citizen rights, you have nothing to fear from me :) |
| 19:35.42 | Alric | and anti-Hispanic_invasion_of_US |
| 19:35.44 | trelane` | you talk too much, the press would eat you alive |
| 19:36.05 | trelane` | pro reform of INS, pro-application for a green card pro kick anyone out who doesn't cut it once we have a system that works |
| 19:36.49 | trelane` | it's not just Hispanics |
| 19:37.01 | trelane` | there's a lot of people that want to come here that would be productive members of society |
| 19:37.04 | trelane` | and they should be able to come here |
| 19:37.11 | trelane` | but they need to do so within the bounds of the law |
| 19:37.33 | Alric | I don't have issues with immigration. |
| 19:37.44 | Alric | I have issues with illegals rioting and flying Mexican flags over US Post Offices. |
| 19:38.03 | trelane` | the problem with rounding up illegals and deporting them is that INS is broken |
| 19:38.16 | trelane` | it needs to be fixed, they need to apply for citizenship and then we need to get rid of the ones that don't cut it |
| 19:38.23 | Alric | I heard somewhere that local law enforcement isn't allowed to report illegals to INS |
| 19:38.27 | trelane` | and respond to crap like you just mentioned with the natinal guard |
| 19:39.10 | Alric | And they actually get in trouble with their departments if they do. |
| 19:41.02 | Alric | So what do they do? Patrol around lakes and check hispanics that are fishing for fishing licenses, which illegals can't get, and jail those guys for a few days :) |
| 19:48.57 | trelane` | it's not just hispanics |
| 19:55.57 | Alric | Around here it is (Texas) |
| 19:59.51 | trelane` | why does it not suprise me you're from texas |
| 20:00.09 | Alric | Pro 2A, anti-illegal? |
| 20:01.11 | Alric | and a "back off" approach to government? |
| 20:12.36 | Alric | but yeah. Canadians are invading too! The horror! |
| 20:14.17 | trelane` | pro 2A, anti-illegal (reform the INS please), and sensible government |
| 20:14.26 | trelane` | yeah dammit I figure blitzrage will show up any day now |
| 20:14.39 | trelane` | we have a great country, and there's no reason to not share it |
| 20:14.47 | trelane` | but I have no use for you if you're breaking the law by even being here |
| 20:14.59 | trelane` | so lets fix the system, and get you applied ot be here legally, and if you don't get in, get out. |
| 20:15.16 | trelane` | Alric, honestly the list of requirements is incredibly stupid to get in |
| 20:15.36 | trelane` | add to it one of the worst bureaucracies in our system and it's a nightmare |
| 20:16.41 | Alric | Dealing with G and applications for /anything/ |
| 20:23.02 | trelane` | I mean, these people by and large are good people |
| 20:23.05 | trelane` | they're trying to come here legally |
| 20:23.09 | trelane` | they're poor, they're hard working |
| 20:23.15 | trelane` | and they get ignored |
| 20:23.45 | trelane` | then they come here, work for less than minimum wage, they have taxes taken out of their checks (and instead of seeing the income tax service, the business owners pocket the checks |
| 20:24.01 | trelane` | many of the illegals think they're even paying taxes |
| 20:24.39 | Alric | Are you sure about that? |
| 20:25.06 | Alric | Because as a business owner, I'd avoid that like the plague. Great way to go to jail for a long time. |
| 20:34.01 | trelane` | why? |
| 20:34.06 | trelane` | you're lieing to an illegal immigrant |
| 20:34.10 | trelane` | who's going to prosecute?!? |
| 20:34.14 | Alric | IRS? |
| 20:34.17 | trelane` | err |
| 20:34.18 | trelane` | no |
| 20:34.22 | trelane` | they don't proecute illegals |
| 20:34.28 | Alric | No, prosecute you. |
| 20:34.33 | trelane` | it's not like these people are filling out a w4 |
| 20:34.36 | trelane` | how are they going to find out |
| 20:34.42 | trelane` | the illegal stated that they'd been paying taxes? |
| 20:34.51 | trelane` | think about it |
| 20:35.01 | trelane` | how is sufficient believable evidence going to come together to prosecute |
| 20:35.32 | Alric | Still not worth it to me. |
| 20:35.51 | Alric | Arrests and court trips screw up too many things for an extra $100 or so a month. |
| 20:37.20 | Alric | I guess it could be worth it if you had 100 employees all expecting to pay in $100 a month. Still shady though, and I'm sure someone would notice an extra $120k in the bank. |
| 20:39.31 | blitzrage | if you're paying illegal immigrants I'll assume the books aren't exactly 100% accurate |
| 20:39.45 | Alric | Well see? There you go. |
| 20:40.18 | Alric | If you're going to mess with the books, don't do anything that could attract attention to messed up books. Hiring illegals and stealing money from them is an awesome way to do that :) |
| 20:40.21 | blitzrage | there you go what? |
| 20:40.58 | blitzrage | I can't believe I even started in on this |
| 20:41.02 | blitzrage | I know better |
| 20:41.22 | Alric | I don't know, perhaps I just can't see it from the perspective of the dirty businessman :) |
| 20:43.49 | Alric | I don't understand your response though :/ |
| 20:53.01 | trelane` | Alric, do you care if I steal from someone who's already committing a crime? |
| 20:53.56 | Alric | Not really. |
| 20:54.18 | Alric | But you're talking to someone who on a bad day thinks we should have open season on illegals... |
| 20:55.43 | Alric | At the same time, I'd rather not take that business risk though. |
| 21:41.32 | jsmith | When killing other people moves from being a moral decision to a business decision, I get nervous. |
| 21:42.02 | Alric | I said on a bad day! |
| 21:45.44 | jsmith | I don't care if it's a bad day or not. |
| 21:45.59 | jsmith | Someone else's wrongs don't make your wrongs right. |
| 21:46.23 | jsmith | If people would learn that one concept, it'd sure save a lot of headache and grief. |
| 22:28.37 | Alric | Well, now that I've established my extremist position... how are you guys today? :) |
| 22:53.55 | Alric | Or not. |
| 22:53.56 | Alric | Later. |
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