| 12:32.18 | jsmith | Morning all... |
| 12:57.54 | jsmith | ~wake the world |
| 12:58.05 | jbot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on the world and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 12:58.06 | jsmith | -chat about the world |
| 12:58.08 | brac | the world is kidnapping me! |
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| 13:17.39 | jsmith | Hello ojr-br |
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| 14:17.11 | jsmith | Morning blitzrage |
| 14:17.11 | blitzrage | jsmith: morning! |
| 14:17.12 | jsmith | Morning file... |
| 14:17.12 | blitzrage | how was everyone's weekend? |
| 14:17.16 | Juggie | could of been better. |
| 14:17.29 | jsmith | file: I like the matchexternipaddressonlocalnetworkaddress setting name... but I have a suggestion on how we can make it longer ;-) |
| 14:17.31 | file | not bad... still waiting for important email |
| 14:17.40 | jsmith | blitzrage: Great! I drove 1200 miles! |
| 14:17.44 | file | jsmith: don't. say. anything. |
| 14:17.53 | jsmith | file: Sorry, I couldn't resist... |
| 14:18.01 | file | jsmith: or else no cookies today |
| 14:18.03 | jsmith | blitzrage: What did the colo do this time? |
| 14:18.11 | jsmith | file: I promise I'll be good! |
| 14:19.39 | file | I have this lease application in a format that I can print, but still... questions are not yet answered! |
| 14:20.51 | jsmith | file: Sounds like it's time to make a phone call (heaven forbid!) and say "Look, I've got this lease application..." |
| 14:21.10 | file | jsmith: that's this afternoon's insanity |
| 14:21.56 | jsmith | Ah... |
| 14:21.56 | blitzrage | I'm going to work on Chapter 10 a bit, then go downtown to get some new clothes for my grandfathers visitation tomorrow... :( |
| 14:22.10 | blitzrage | then I have to get on a train for 3 hours back to my parents house |
| 14:22.37 | file | blitzrage: ...fun |
| 14:22.49 | blitzrage | not so much... |
| 14:23.18 | blitzrage | Some day, you'll find me caught beneath the landslide in a champagne supernova in the sky |
| 14:23.35 | file | jsmith: how is being on hold treating you? |
| 14:24.34 | jsmith | file: Terrible |
| 14:24.49 | jsmith | file: My wife hasn't received her updated passport, and she's flying out in a couple of weeks. |
| 14:24.54 | file | uh oh |
| 14:25.02 | jsmith | file: So she has to go in person to get it. |
| 14:25.03 | blitzrage | rut roh shaggy |
| 14:25.14 | jsmith | file: But you have to schedule through their automated telephone system |
| 14:25.21 | jsmith | (obviously not running Asterisk) |
| 14:25.40 | blitzrage | I know a certain gov't that uses Asterisk |
| 14:25.43 | jsmith | And it takes 15 minutes for it to search for an available appointment |
| 14:25.55 | jsmith | Then it hangs up on you, and you have to call back |
| 14:26.15 | Juggie | blitzrage, SHHHH :) |
| 14:26.15 | file | how... fun |
| 14:26.27 | jsmith | Not... |
| 14:27.10 | file | we don't even have an office locally for doing passports |
| 14:27.28 | blitzrage | I had my passport like 2 weeks after I ordered it :) |
| 14:27.33 | Juggie | its easy to get a passport in ottawa ;) |
| 14:27.36 | jsmith | Well, thankfully I'm close to Washington D.C. |
| 14:27.37 | blitzrage | heh |
| 14:27.40 | Juggie | even easier if you apply online. |
| 14:27.45 | jsmith | Otherwise, I'd have to fly halfway across the country |
| 14:27.52 | file | I did mine online, it was easy! |
| 14:28.06 | Juggie | yah, if you apply online you skip the line @ the passport office |
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| 14:34.06 | Alric | Three cheers for the infinite wisdom of the US Government! |
| 14:34.31 | blitzrage | w00t |
| 14:34.53 | blitzrage | yah... it's intelligence seems slightly flawed... |
| 14:35.01 | blitzrage | but isn't that the definition of gov't? |
| 14:40.09 | jsmith | w00t! |
| 14:40.15 | jsmith | *Live* person, on the phone. |
| 14:40.19 | jsmith | With a working computer system |
| 14:40.52 | brac | Alric is on |
| 14:40.58 | file | jsmith: time to celebrate |
| 14:41.13 | jsmith | Alric: What, you never update your boxes? |
| 14:41.24 | Alric | Phones, jsmith, phones! Not boxes. |
| 14:41.37 | jsmith | Alric: You use Polycoms... should be easy to update |
| 14:41.38 | Alric | Last I checked, latest Polycom firmware was buggy as hell. |
| 14:43.05 | jsmith | Alric: http://help.fonality.com/index.php/Daylight_Savings_Changes_in_2007 |
| 14:53.55 | Alric | Weird. |
| 14:54.06 | jsmith | Yes I am! |
| 14:54.13 | Alric | Oh, no, not you... |
| 14:54.48 | Alric | Want to see something really weird? |
| 14:55.02 | Alric | http://www.pastebin.ca/391900 |
| 14:55.09 | Alric | Check the timestamp on the ls -al of 'testfile' |
| 15:17.53 | Alric | Anyone made the DST changes for Cisco 7940s/7960s? |
| 15:18.55 | jsmith | Alric: No, but it should be very simple. Look at the stock config file... |
| 15:19.11 | jsmith | Alric: There are settings for which day DST starts and stops on. |
| 15:19.11 | Alric | I am. |
| 15:19.29 | Alric | dst_start_day is blank |
| 15:19.41 | Alric | dst_start_week_of_month is 1, but dst_stop_week_of_month is 8... |
| 15:23.08 | Alric | Not sure what that is all about. |
| 15:24.11 | blitzrage | jsmith: I think you're right... without the chat, gmail isn't quite so slow to respond |
| 15:24.20 | jsmith | w00t! |
| 15:24.22 | blitzrage | I moved my gtalk to gaim instead of embedded |
| 15:36.26 | blitzrage | jsmith: how do I create a glossary term, and link to it? |
| 15:36.45 | blitzrage | hrmmm... ok, there is a glossterm wrapper for the word |
| 15:36.50 | blitzrage | now to figure out how to add that to the glossary |
| 15:36.54 | jsmith | blitzrage: Good question... I don't know off the top of my head... you could look for any existing examples. |
| 15:37.00 | jsmith | blitzrage: But I think they do the glossary by hand |
| 15:37.35 | blitzrage | yah... I don't think this glossterm is what I want |
| 15:37.47 | blitzrage | I want to add the term "blocking" to the glossary |
| 15:43.04 | jsmith | Gah! |
| 15:43.22 | jsmith | Some dude wanted to send some images to my wife for a catalog |
| 15:43.32 | jsmith | So he uploads them to my server, right? |
| 15:43.39 | jsmith | Only it's a 1.3 gigabyte StuffIt file |
| 15:43.57 | jsmith | And the "free" StuffIt expander for Linux only has an i386 version |
| 15:44.12 | jsmith | My server is 64-bit, and my laptop is PPC |
| 15:44.27 | jsmith | So I jump through a bunch of hoops to make the i386 version work... |
| 15:44.32 | jsmith | ... and it dies because the filename has a space in it. |
| 15:44.34 | Juggie | well for starters, linux64 should run the i386 version fine. |
| 15:44.39 | jsmith | So I rename the file... |
| 15:45.00 | jsmith | ... and then it dies because one of the files inside the StuffIt file has a space in it. |
| 15:45.08 | Juggie | haha |
| 15:45.09 | Juggie | awesome |
| 15:45.13 | jsmith | ~shoot proprietary software |
| 15:45.15 | jbot | ACTION shoots proprietary software in the head with a spitwad! |
| 15:47.10 | Alric | Just boot into OS X. |
| 15:47.36 | jsmith | And spend the next 16 hours in there while it downloads? I don't think so... |
| 15:47.50 | jsmith | Talk about a productivity killer... |
| 15:48.30 | blitzrage | jsmith: you say, "I can't support this... try again" |
| 15:49.19 | blitzrage | hrmmm... ok, I can't find anything about glossary -- will email Mike |
| 15:49.30 | jsmith | blitzrage: I can't tell my wife that... and it's taken me two weeks to get the guy just to upload *anything* |
| 15:49.39 | blitzrage | guh |
| 15:49.50 | jsmith | blitzrage: So I'm gonna download it to Linux, send it over to my wife, and let her deal with it |
| 15:49.55 | blitzrage | even better |
| 15:57.51 | blitzrage | jsmith: you got a minute to discuss my func_odbc approach in this chapter? |
| 15:58.00 | jsmith | Sure! |
| 15:58.03 | jsmith | You wanna call me? |
| 15:58.05 | blitzrage | jsmith: can I call you? |
| 15:58.05 | blitzrage | ya |
| 15:58.28 | blitzrage | number? |
| 15:58.36 | jsmith | 540-286-2227 |
| 16:01.53 | Alric | Oooo! |
| 16:03.37 | jsmith | What, you're oooing over the fact that I gave out my phone number in public? |
| 16:05.12 | blitzrage | see leifmadsen.com for my digits... not exactly a secret :D |
| 16:08.09 | Alric | Pretty much. Haven't seen you do that before. |
| 16:09.17 | Juggie | btw, you know this channel is htmlified |
| 16:09.28 | jsmith | Juggie: That's alright... I have more where that came from... |
| 16:09.41 | Juggie | me too. |
| 16:10.06 | Juggie | time for lunch |
| 16:12.50 | Alric | Yeah. HTMLified. |
| 16:21.52 | blitzrage | is there anything that says a voicemail extension has to be a number? |
| 16:22.05 | blitzrage | i.e. is Voicemail(operator@default,u) valid? |
| 16:29.56 | blitzrage | do the new polycom firmware have the DST fix in it? |
| 16:29.59 | blitzrage | and what version would that be? |
| 16:30.42 | blitzrage | Alric: ping ^^^ |
| 16:30.49 | jsmith | blitzrage: A voicemail box does *not* have to be numeric |
| 16:30.55 | jsmith | blitzrage: But the *PIN* does |
| 16:30.59 | Alric | blitzrage: See above. |
| 16:31.45 | Alric | blitzrage: AFAIK, new polycom firmware = buggy as hell. Old polycom firmware can be made to work with the new DST changes. See http://help.fonality.com/index.php/Daylight_Savings_Changes_in_2007. |
| 16:32.11 | blitzrage | Alric: ahhh okie |
| 16:32.50 | blitzrage | oh yah! its in the config |
| 16:32.52 | blitzrage | I forgot about that |
| 16:32.53 | blitzrage | thx |
| 16:36.49 | Alric | Yeah |
| 16:36.50 | blitzrage | I wish it'd just show the config file |
| 16:37.06 | blitzrage | because this isn't terribly intuitive at first glance |
| 16:37.11 | blitzrage | (looking at the file) |
| 17:00.48 | blitzrage | guh... writing isn't going so well.... I'm distracted... |
| 17:00.59 | blitzrage | I'm putting it away and going to shower and such... might try again on the train... |
| 17:05.20 | blitzrage | pffft |
| 17:05.42 | blitzrage | we all know asterisk developers don't know how to use Asterisk, let alone a telephone! |
| 17:11.29 | file | yay info for apartment |
| 17:14.44 | jsmith | file: w00t |
| 17:14.53 | jsmith | file: Are you happy now? |
| 17:15.17 | file | almost |
| 17:15.56 | blitzrage | lunchtime I guess |
| 17:16.00 | blitzrage | although I'm not that hungry... |
| 17:16.13 | file | need references |
| 17:16.41 | blitzrage | I'll give you a reference... you stayed on my couch one night and didn't have any wild parties |
| 17:16.46 | file | :D |
| 17:17.48 | blitzrage | grrrr.... I missed hockeycentral again |
| 17:19.38 | file | of course it's the middle of the day, so I can't exactly talk to people I would use as references since they are @ work |
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| 18:32.28 | jsmith | Yes? |
| 18:32.46 | file | expect groupcount branch to be available by end of day |
| 18:35.34 | jsmith | w00t! |
| 18:35.44 | file | would you like fries with that? |
| 18:35.47 | jsmith | I've now got *two* customers who are eager and waiting... |
| 18:36.02 | jsmith | file: No, but I sincerely appreciate your work on it. |
| 18:38.27 | blitzrage | nice! Although I'm not using agents yet :) |
| 18:38.57 | jsmith | blitzrage: No, but you're using lots of groupcounts |
| 18:39.17 | blitzrage | true... but I thought it was only happening when associated with an Agent? |
| 18:39.26 | file | it has the possibility of happening with any channel |
| 18:39.30 | blitzrage | ahhh I see |
| 18:39.34 | blitzrage | then I will implement it :) |
| 18:39.42 | jsmith | No, that's just the most noticible evidence of the problem |
| 18:40.13 | blitzrage | I need to figure out a good way of directing certain calls easily to different boxes in the cluster so I can run different branches when different problems arise... |
| 18:40.18 | Alric | whats this groupcount thing? |
| 18:40.21 | blitzrage | or for feature testing etc... |
| 18:40.25 | blitzrage | Alric: you can't be serious |
| 18:40.31 | Alric | I know what groupcount is. |
| 18:40.34 | blitzrage | oh ok good |
| 18:40.35 | Alric | Whats the issue here? |
| 18:40.38 | brac | I know him! I know its tough, but think about other people's clients/servers. |
| 18:41.37 | blitzrage | see 7497 |
| 18:42.47 | Alric | I think I've run into that before. |
| 18:43.17 | blitzrage | anyways, I'm off to shower and get ready.... |
| 18:43.18 | blitzrage | back later |
| 18:43.37 | file | a clean blitzrage? madness |
| 18:45.37 | blitzrage | clean shaven too |
| 18:45.43 | jsmith | Yikes! |
| 18:45.48 | jsmith | What's gotten into you, man? |
| 18:45.53 | jsmith | Are you like... in love? |
| 18:46.39 | jsmith | Gee... no wonder Leif was all cheery when he called this morning... he's got a three-day smile |
| 18:47.06 | blitzrage | I was cheery? |
| 18:47.46 | blitzrage | and there has been no reason to have caused me to have a 3 day smile :) |
| 18:48.04 | file | uh huh |
| 18:48.25 | blitzrage | for real... and if you know me at all, I'd just tell you if there was, heh |
| 18:48.34 | jsmith | OK... |
| 18:48.38 | jsmith | I believe you |
| 18:49.23 | jsmith | Yes |
| 18:49.40 | jsmith | If blitzrage was breaking more beds, he'd tell us |
| 18:49.46 | jsmith | We'd tease him, but he'd tell us |
| 18:50.00 | jsmith | Seriously though, I think he'd tell us |
| 18:51.27 | Juggie | jsmith, he's got a borderline woman now |
| 18:51.32 | Juggie | he's watching his appearance :) |
| 18:51.45 | jsmith | Oh yeah... I know about Pamela |
| 18:52.35 | Juggie | must be why he's smileing :P |
| 18:54.31 | jsmith | That, and lunch |
| 18:55.08 | jsmith | Hey guys... remind me how we turn on internal RTP timing again, so we don't wait on incoming packets before sending packets out? |
| 18:56.36 | Juggie | isnt that default in 1.4? |
| 18:57.37 | Juggie | http://bugs.digium.com/view.php?id=5374 |
| 18:58.10 | Juggie | says: internal_timeing=yes in asterisk.com |
| 18:58.14 | Juggie | *.conf |
| 18:58.34 | Juggie | it probally also depends on ztdummy or some zaptel driver |
| 18:59.55 | Juggie | or -I on startup apparentally. |
| 19:01.00 | jsmith | Got it. |
| 19:01.09 | jsmith | Yeah... I'll build ztdummy on this box |
| 19:03.51 | Juggie | jsmith, http://svn.digium.com/view/asterisk/trunk/doc/asterisk-conf.txt?rev=49000&view=markup |
| 19:04.04 | jsmith | Yeah, I found it. |
| 19:04.37 | Juggie | handy, i had no idea these options existed |
| 19:04.51 | jsmith | Hmmmn... seems zaptel installed the ztdummy module in the wrong directory on this server |
| 19:05.07 | Juggie | kernel has probally been upgraded since then? |
| 19:07.02 | Juggie | or is it in misc instead of extras or something? |
| 19:08.22 | jsmith | Put it in /lib/modules/2.6.12/misc |
| 19:08.31 | jsmith | uname -r reports 2.6.19-9-386 |
| 19:08.37 | jsmith | s/19/12/ |
| 19:09.09 | Juggie | thats odd |
| 19:09.15 | Juggie | does it still do it if you do another make install? |
| 19:11.26 | blitzrage | yah... if I'd been breaking any more beds, I'd let you guys know :) |
| 19:11.33 | Juggie | or do you have the right kernel sources installed? |
| 19:12.11 | jsmith | Of course |
| 19:12.16 | jsmith | It's *building* the kernel modules |
| 19:12.25 | Juggie | that doesnt mean anything |
| 19:12.26 | jsmith | But doesn't put them in the correct directory |
| 19:12.32 | Juggie | if your kernel and kernel sources are mismatched |
| 19:12.57 | jsmith | Shouldn't be... but who knows |
| 19:13.04 | jsmith | I didn't install this machine |
| 19:13.04 | Juggie | do a make clean, and then make;make install |
| 19:13.06 | Juggie | and pastebin it |
| 19:13.53 | blitzrage | I had it so the ztdummy module wouldn't even build, and Asterisk wouldn't see it until I did make distclean ; make install like 3 times in each directory... I still have no idea what it got confused about |
| 19:14.05 | blitzrage | (1.4) |
| 19:14.06 | Juggie | debian suxors :) |
| 19:14.12 | Juggie | centos <3 |
| 19:14.15 | blitzrage | thank god I don't run debian |
| 19:14.37 | blitzrage | file: hate is a strong word, but I really really really don't like you! |
| 19:14.43 | jsmith | Ok, it's definitely getting built |
| 19:14.46 | Juggie | well 2.6.19 definitally isnt a centos kernel |
| 19:14.52 | Juggie | jsmith, can i see the log pretty please. |
| 19:14.59 | jsmith | #astflood |
| 19:15.05 | jsmith | As to not abuse anyone else in here. |
| 19:15.41 | Juggie | a pastebin would of been fine, but i'll play along :) |
| 19:16.24 | file | blitzrage: yay |
| 19:16.37 | blitzrage | lol |
| 19:16.40 | Juggie | jsmith, do the modules load if you forcefully load them? |
| 19:16.49 | file | blitzrage: I </3 you too |
| 19:16.57 | blitzrage | file: then we are in agreement |
| 19:17.31 | blitzrage | I guess I better make sure I have some Asterisk and stuff on this machine before I go to get on the train... it says it has wifi... but who knows how it will actually be |
| 19:18.03 | Juggie | jsmith, i dont see any mention of the wrong modules directory so far. |
| 19:18.14 | blitzrage | there isn't a symlink in /usr/src that is messing you up is there? |
| 19:18.43 | Juggie | looks to me like its using /lib/modules/2.6.12-9-386/ happily |
| 19:19.14 | jsmith | No |
| 19:19.16 | jsmith | Kernel says it can't find them |
| 19:19.18 | jsmith | sh-3.00# modprobe ztdummy |
| 19:19.20 | jsmith | FATAL: Module ztdummy not found. |
| 19:19.22 | jsmith | sh-3.00# insmod /lib/modules/2.6.12/misc/ztdummy.ko |
| 19:19.24 | jsmith | insmod: error inserting '/lib/modules/2.6.12/misc/ztdummy.ko': -1 Unknown symbol in module |
| 19:19.26 | jsmith | Neither do I |
| 19:19.28 | jsmith | No symlinks in /usr/src |
| 19:19.30 | jsmith | sh-3.00# cd /lib/modules/ |
| 19:19.32 | jsmith | sh-3.00# ls |
| 19:19.34 | jsmith | 2.6.12 2.6.12-9-386 |
| 19:19.36 | jsmith | sh-3.00# find . | grep ztdummy |
| 19:19.40 | jsmith | ./2.6.12/misc/ztdummy.ko |
| 19:19.42 | jsmith | sh-3.00# find . | grep zaptel |
| 19:19.44 | jsmith | ./2.6.12/misc/zaptel.ko |
| 19:19.56 | Alric | whats uname -a say? |
| 19:20.42 | Juggie | jsmith: insmod /usr/src/zaptel-1.2-branch/zaptel.so |
| 19:20.43 | Juggie | what happens. |
| 19:21.22 | Alric | oh hrm |
| 19:21.24 | jsmith | sh-3.00# insmod /usr/src/zaptel-1.2-branch/zaptel.so |
| 19:21.24 | jsmith | insmod: can't read '/usr/src/zaptel-1.2-branch/zaptel.so': No such file or directory |
| 19:21.25 | jsmith | sh-3.00# insmod /usr/src/zaptel-1.2-branch/zaptel.ko |
| 19:21.25 | jsmith | insmod: error inserting '/usr/src/zaptel-1.2-branch/zaptel.ko': -1 Unknown symbol in module |
| 19:21.29 | jsmith | You meant .ko, of course |
| 19:22.06 | jsmith | [24605150.164000] zaptel: Unknown symbol crc_ccitt_table |
| 19:22.16 | jsmith | That shows up in dmesg |
| 19:22.52 | Alric | so zaptel is installing in <kernel>, but you're running <kernel>-i386? |
| 19:23.22 | jsmith | Alric: Sort of... but we've got bigger problems |
| 19:23.31 | jsmith | Alric: Zaptel won't work without me recompiling the kernel |
| 19:23.36 | jsmith | And I'd rather not, as this isn't my box |
| 19:23.41 | Alric | Hmmm |
| 19:24.01 | Juggie | jsmith, its very simple, your kernel source does not match your kernel |
| 19:24.02 | blitzrage | maybe the kernel doesn't support loading of modules... ? |
| 19:24.03 | jsmith | blitzrage: Sorry to hear about your grandfather |
| 19:24.24 | jsmith | blitzrage: No, zaptel is expecting something in the kernel that isn't there :-( |
| 19:24.35 | blitzrage | hrmmm.... that is very strange... |
| 19:24.44 | blitzrage | jsmith: thanks for the condolences |
| 19:24.58 | Alric | You sure it isn't just something flakey with the build? |
| 19:24.59 | Juggie | jsmith, what kind of box is this? |
| 19:25.06 | Alric | ie: being built against the wrong kernel? |
| 19:25.09 | Juggie | what distro |
| 19:25.15 | jsmith | ubuntu |
| 19:25.41 | jsmith | sh-3.00# cat /etc/lsb-release |
| 19:25.42 | jsmith | DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu |
| 19:25.42 | jsmith | DISTRIB_RELEASE=5.10 |
| 19:25.42 | jsmith | DISTRIB_CODENAME=breezy |
| 19:25.43 | jsmith | DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu (The Breezy Badger Release)" |
| 19:25.48 | jsmith | Like I said... I didn't build this box |
| 19:25.54 | Alric | How did they con you into working on a ubuntu machine? |
| 19:25.57 | Alric | Kidnap your kids or something? |
| 19:27.00 | jsmith | Alric: Consultant does what client says; client pays consultant; consultant eats lunch. |
| 19:27.00 | Juggie | jsmith, is linux-headers a package of some sort? |
| 19:27.00 | jsmith | Sure. |
| 19:27.00 | Juggie | nuke it |
| 19:27.00 | Juggie | and reinstall it |
| 19:27.20 | Juggie | also, paste the full uname -a |
| 19:27.25 | Juggie | is the box running a smp kernel? |
| 19:27.51 | jsmith | sh-3.00# dpkg -l linux-headers-2.6.12-9-386 |
| 19:27.52 | jsmith | Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold |
| 19:27.52 | jsmith | | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed |
| 19:27.52 | jsmith | |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) |
| 19:27.52 | jsmith | ||/ Name Version Description |
| 19:27.52 | jsmith | +++-=================================-=================================-================================================================================== |
| 19:27.55 | jsmith | ii linux-headers-2.6.12-9-386 2.6.12-9.23 Linux kernel headers 2.6.12 on 386 |
| 19:28.03 | jsmith | sh-3.00# uname -a |
| 19:28.03 | jsmith | Linux LINUXICVU 2.6.12-9-386 #1 Mon Oct 10 13:14:36 BST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 19:28.09 | jsmith | Not SMP, or anything crazy like that |
| 19:28.49 | Juggie | i'm not famaliar w/ debian, if you do a dpkg and search on the keyword kernel, what other packages are avail? |
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| 19:30.36 | Juggie | ahh ubuntu.. <shoots> |
| 19:31.46 | Juggie | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-May/018116.html |
| 19:32.32 | Alric | loverly. |
| 19:32.42 | Juggie | i still think something fishy is up though, i would remove that linux-headers package and install it again |
| 19:32.49 | Juggie | incase someone has played with it |
| 19:34.51 | Alric | I concur, Doctor Smith. |
| 19:35.08 | Juggie | this post says to try, 'KVERS=`uname -r` make install' |
| 19:35.09 | blitzrage | The best things in life are free, but you can give them to the birds and the bees. I want my money! That's what I want. That's what I want. |
| 19:35.27 | Juggie | all in all looks like ubuntu blows as much as i expected :) |
| 19:35.34 | blitzrage | heh |
| 19:36.09 | Alric | Well lets look at this analytically. Its based on Debian, right? |
| 19:36.20 | Juggie | yes. |
| 19:36.22 | jsmith | Yes |
| 19:36.25 | jsmith | Two problems |
| 19:36.43 | Alric | So automatically, its flawed. Doesn't matter how grand your tower is, if your foundation has a million cracks and flaws in it, the tower will still fail. |
| 19:37.03 | jsmith | The Ubuntu 5.10 kernel doesn't have a localversion file, and isn't compiled with the crc_ccitt_table thingie |
| 19:37.21 | Juggie | awesome |
| 19:37.25 | Juggie | sounds like your in for a fun day |
| 19:37.58 | jsmith | All this just so I can turn on internal_timing, to prove they're having a firewall problem |
| 19:38.43 | Juggie | is it isa? :P |
| 19:39.12 | Juggie | and thats not a joke |
| 19:39.14 | Alric | I can see how that would be un-advantageous in your case though... |
| 19:39.15 | blitzrage | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYsxaMyFV2Y |
| 19:39.20 | Juggie | isa has a serious problem with symetric nat. |
| 19:40.10 | Alric | THEY COPIED OS X! |
| 19:40.15 | Alric | Heathens! |
| 19:40.36 | Juggie | go see 300! |
| 19:41.26 | blitzrage | I need a new lappy... |
| 19:41.39 | Juggie | oh, |
| 19:41.40 | Juggie | i have one for you |
| 19:41.42 | Juggie | stand by |
| 19:41.42 | blitzrage | guess I gotta wait for the next O'Reilly cheque... |
| 19:41.48 | blitzrage | Juggie: oh yah? suggestions welcome :) |
| 19:41.54 | Juggie | yah a dell deal |
| 19:41.55 | Juggie | one sec |
| 19:42.01 | file | I need... a deadly weapon |
| 19:42.29 | jsmith | Juggie: It's a PIX |
| 19:42.37 | blitzrage | file: come to my parents house |
| 19:42.42 | blitzrage | we have many |
| 19:42.50 | blitzrage | including reloader equipment |
| 19:42.52 | Alric | Two actually. |
| 19:43.12 | blitzrage | about 10 rifles and 5 hand guns |
| 19:43.14 | Alric | I guess three. But thats just on me ;) |
| 19:43.14 | Juggie | jsmith, you cant prove firewall problems w/o internal timeing? what are the symptoms? any audio at all? etc. |
| 19:43.23 | jsmith | No audio at all |
| 19:43.35 | Juggie | blitzrage, http://www.redflagdeals.com/deals/main.php/alldeals/comments/exclusive_dell_xps_1210_notebook_offer |
| 19:43.36 | jsmith | With a packet trace, I see Asterisk send out one RTP packet, but nothing else. |
| 19:44.00 | Juggie | is it iax or sip? |
| 19:44.05 | file | SIP if it's RTP. |
| 19:44.11 | Juggie | touche. |
| 19:44.35 | Juggie | * should not send just one packet though i dont think, but maybe. |
| 19:46.23 | jsmith | SIP |
| 19:46.34 | jsmith | Sure, why not? |
| 19:46.57 | jsmith | Without internal_timing set to yes, it waits for an inbound RTP packet before sending another outbound packet, as I understand it. |
| 19:47.00 | file | what is the call doing? |
| 19:47.03 | jsmith | file can correct me if I'm wrong |
| 19:47.15 | jsmith | file: Asterisk makes an invite to Proxy A. |
| 19:47.17 | Juggie | jsmith, thats true but i'm wondering if it waits indefinitally. |
| 19:47.29 | jsmith | Proxy A sends back a 100 Trying |
| 19:47.41 | jsmith | Proxy A then sends back a 183 with SDP, pointing at server B |
| 19:47.59 | jsmith | Proxy A then sends back a 180 |
| 19:48.21 | Juggie | blitzrage, thast a decent deal. |
| 19:48.28 | file | chan_sip might not like 'dat |
| 19:48.37 | jsmith | Asterisk sends a single RTP packet to server B |
| 19:49.55 | blitzrage | Juggie: hrmmm.. yah, not really the right form factor |
| 19:50.03 | Juggie | yah i know. |
| 19:50.07 | Juggie | its more of a multimedia laptop |
| 19:50.34 | jsmith | Proxy A then sends a 200 OK with SDP, pointing at server B |
| 19:50.39 | jsmith | Which Asterisk ACKS |
| 19:50.49 | jsmith | Asterisk then sends one more RTP packet to server B |
| 19:50.55 | Alric | MacBooks are great. |
| 19:51.24 | Alric | I'm about to pick up a MacBook Pro sometime this month, matter of fact... |
| 19:51.43 | blitzrage | seems too expensive... I still think the Dell is gonna be a better deal |
| 19:52.28 | blitzrage | not tooooo bad in price though -- $1859 for the black, w/2GB of RAM |
| 19:52.41 | blitzrage | but the Dell had waaay more battery power since I upgraded it |
| 19:52.41 | Juggie | still not a great form |
| 19:52.44 | Juggie | and a small screen |
| 19:52.53 | Juggie | i prefer the business laptops |
| 19:52.54 | jsmith | file: It seemed to work just fine in the past... until the firewall guy started monkeying around |
| 19:53.12 | file | is this the same folks who were mucking around before? |
| 19:54.24 | jsmith | Naw... new monkeys |
| 19:54.32 | blitzrage | Juggie: screen isn't too bad... I have 14" viewable here, the Macbook is 13.3" viewable it looks like |
| 19:54.38 | jsmith | file: Different client |
| 19:54.38 | blitzrage | so screensize is fine |
| 19:54.47 | Juggie | blitzrage, isnt the xps 12"? |
| 19:55.09 | blitzrage | Juggie: I wouldn't be getting an XPS |
| 19:55.22 | blitzrage | the one I was looking at was the same as this HP laptop I have -- 14" screen |
| 19:55.26 | blitzrage | 14.1" I think |
| 19:55.31 | Juggie | blitzrage, the 15" AMD laptops are probally the best deal |
| 19:56.18 | file | meetings are such the lame |
| 19:56.25 | file | unless they are with cool people |
| 19:56.43 | jsmith | Then it would be "hanging out" and not meetings |
| 19:57.12 | file | now if I go into this now... I bet hardware folks will throw me out |
| 19:57.14 | Juggie | blitzrage, you can get a Latitude 131L for like 1000$ before taxes |
| 19:57.29 | blitzrage | what size screen? |
| 19:57.34 | Juggie | 15" |
| 19:57.50 | file | 14.1" isn't bad |
| 19:57.57 | Juggie | the standard build is only 512ram/40gb hdd though... |
| 19:59.23 | blitzrage | 15" is too big |
| 19:59.47 | Juggie | then try the D620 |
| 20:00.01 | Juggie | the D600/D610 is a tank |
| 20:00.02 | blitzrage | I'd get a macbook probably if it wasn't for the single mouse button on the touch pad |
| 20:00.09 | Juggie | i imagine the D620 would be along the same lines. |
| 20:00.10 | blitzrage | yah... that D620 is so far my first choice |
| 20:00.16 | brac | i imagine these sell well to commit the crime? |
| 20:00.16 | blitzrage | my room mate has a D620 |
| 20:00.31 | Juggie | yah that model range is nice. |
| 20:00.45 | Juggie | my D610 has been to hell @ back |
| 20:00.48 | blitzrage | plus I can upgrade the battery and put in a 6 cell extra battery |
| 20:00.54 | Juggie | and the double battery is nice. |
| 20:02.27 | Juggie | hmm, blitzrage, Smallbusiness D620 has a upgrade to 2gb memory free promo right now |
| 20:02.50 | blitzrage | I'm asking my room mate what he can do since they order tons of Dell equipment and gets aboutn 20% off retail |
| 20:02.50 | Juggie | also the upgrade from 60 to 80gb hdd is free. |
| 20:04.07 | blitzrage | hrmmmm nice |
| 20:04.19 | blitzrage | if I got paid then I'd get one... but I can't right now |
| 20:05.16 | Juggie | hmmmmm |
| 20:05.18 | Juggie | not a bad price |
| 20:05.59 | Juggie | look in #astflood |
| 20:06.01 | Juggie | thats only 1607$ |
| 20:06.27 | Juggie | w/ 2gb ram, 80gb hdd, and the extra battery |
| 20:06.36 | blitzrage | that's not bad at all |
| 20:06.46 | blitzrage | wonder if you upgrade the video card if the onboard gets removed? |
| 20:06.47 | Juggie | nope, definitally not. |
| 20:06.54 | Juggie | its a different motherboard |
| 20:07.31 | Juggie | but the nvidia upgrade was only 50$ |
| 20:07.31 | blitzrage | nice |
| 20:07.31 | blitzrage | you mean it does get removed? |
| 20:07.31 | Juggie | yes |
| 20:07.36 | Juggie | its a totally different motherboard |
| 20:07.41 | blitzrage | ahhh... you were replying to my first thing re: good price |
| 20:07.41 | Juggie | one with intel video |
| 20:07.48 | Juggie | one with nvidia video |
| 20:07.52 | Juggie | its not an addon card. |
| 20:07.59 | blitzrage | ahhhh |
| 20:08.03 | Juggie | so far as i know anyways. |
| 20:08.09 | blitzrage | guess with laptops its onboard no matter what eh? :) |
| 20:08.13 | Juggie | mostly. |
| 20:08.18 | blitzrage | not like you can just remove the video card :) |
| 20:08.22 | blitzrage | got a link for that? |
| 20:08.23 | Juggie | its pretty much just one motherboard |
| 20:08.27 | Juggie | not room for much else |
| 20:08.44 | Juggie | thats a fairly decent deal though. |
| 20:09.00 | Juggie | oh and i included the 100$ DVD upgrade as well |
| 20:09.06 | Juggie | for dvd/cdr burning |
| 20:09.08 | blitzrage | yah, I'd need the burner |
| 20:09.13 | blitzrage | needs to have all the same features as this laptop |
| 20:09.15 | Juggie | i figured. |
| 20:09.16 | blitzrage | need to add bluetooth as well |
| 20:09.26 | Juggie | i think that was 40$ |
| 20:09.32 | Juggie | you'd be looking @ like 2k tax in. |
| 20:09.34 | Juggie | or less. |
| 20:09.53 | blitzrage | probably less since it was gonna be $2k when I did it through the website for all my upgrades without anything special |
| 20:10.24 | Juggie | ? |
| 20:10.42 | blitzrage | when I went through the website and did all the upgrades on the D620, it was about $2k |
| 20:10.49 | blitzrage | and you're saying free RAM upgrade |
| 20:10.50 | Juggie | the extra battery is actually 140$ |
| 20:11.08 | blitzrage | sounds like it might only be about $100 cheaper or less |
| 20:11.42 | blitzrage | ah well... this is all just a big tease anyways until I get some old invoices paid |
| 20:11.55 | Juggie | finance it. |
| 20:12.06 | blitzrage | I don't like doing that |
| 20:12.08 | Juggie | $2077 total |
| 20:12.11 | blitzrage | I'd rather just pay for it |
| 20:12.16 | Juggie | ah but thats the beauty of ontario |
| 20:12.24 | Juggie | you can pay it off without any penalty so far as i know |
| 20:12.45 | blitzrage | brb... mail check time |
| 20:13.36 | Juggie | see #astflodo again |
| 20:13.38 | Juggie | *flood |
| 20:19.47 | blitzrage | price? |
| 20:20.08 | Juggie | 2077tax in |
| 20:20.25 | blitzrage | not bad |
| 20:20.41 | Juggie | it would be 2000$ even without the nvidia card which you probally really dont need |
| 20:20.59 | Juggie | but i guess its decent for beryl and all that |
| 20:21.07 | blitzrage | well, I've made my large purchase for this quarter... (new bed), and I wanna get a motorcycle this summer... so I think I'll just deal with my slow crappy HP for a while longer.... |
| 20:21.35 | Juggie | what processor is in the HP? |
| 20:21.48 | Juggie | and ram? |
| 20:24.37 | blitzrage | 512MB / Intel(R) Celeron(R) M processor 1400MHz |
| 20:26.31 | Juggie | thats not even that bad besides the ram |
| 20:26.35 | blitzrage | yah |
| 20:26.37 | Juggie | thats all my D610 has |
| 20:26.43 | blitzrage | the RAM I think is really the issue |
| 20:26.56 | Juggie | my scam is i just use it as a console really |
| 20:26.56 | blitzrage | but then I priced 2GB of RAM< and it was like $350 or something |
| 20:27.11 | Juggie | and connect to my pc downstairs to run all my applications |
| 20:27.18 | Juggie | all i ever run on the laptop is firefox |
| 20:27.20 | blitzrage | I should just really be running more apps via ssh -X |
| 20:27.21 | Juggie | and a remote terminal |
| 20:27.34 | blitzrage | and let the desktop do more of the work |
| 20:27.52 | Juggie | yah, my desktop is a 3.2 w/ 1gb of ram i think |
| 20:28.09 | Juggie | er, make that 3 w/ 1gb |
| 20:28.14 | Juggie | so it does a much better job |
| 20:28.17 | Juggie | just let the laptop display it |
| 20:28.55 | blitzrage | desktop is AMD Hammer (Sempron 64bit) at 1800MHz w/ 2GB RAM |
| 20:29.15 | Juggie | the huge benefit also of using the desktop is that your apps like irc etc.. |
| 20:29.17 | Juggie | are allways on |
| 20:29.30 | Juggie | and you just connect from where you are |
| 20:29.34 | Juggie | thats the major reason i do it |
| 20:29.36 | blitzrage | well, I tend to leave my laptop on a lot... and I don't mind quitting out of IRC etc..... |
| 20:30.03 | Juggie | i know but for me its a pain because i have workpc's, home pcs etc |
| 20:30.08 | blitzrage | yah |
| 20:30.19 | Juggie | ist easier just to do everything from one machine and remote into it from wherever i am. |
| 20:30.37 | Juggie | i have a dns setup so i dont have to remember the ip and everything :) |
| 20:31.52 | blitzrage | I think a lot of it is the batter sucks on this laptop |
| 20:31.59 | Juggie | yah that blows too |
| 20:31.59 | blitzrage | but I have it plugged in most of the time.... sooooooo |
| 20:32.01 | Juggie | the D610 rox |
| 20:32.05 | Juggie | i get like 6hours+ |
| 20:32.07 | blitzrage | this laptop is pretty hold now |
| 20:32.11 | blitzrage | s/hold/old |
| 20:32.21 | Juggie | even the nazi mistypes sometimes. |
| 20:32.32 | Juggie | anyways i must go, i was @ work early today and i have some errands to run |
| 20:32.43 | blitzrage | I gotta go clothes shopping |
| 20:32.47 | Juggie | haha |
| 20:32.51 | Juggie | old navy! :) |
| 20:32.59 | blitzrage | ummm... not for a funeral :) |
| 20:33.05 | Juggie | oh yah... |
| 20:33.13 | Juggie | are you gonna go w/ a suit? |
| 20:33.17 | blitzrage | nope |
| 20:33.21 | blitzrage | it'll be casual |
| 20:33.26 | Juggie | marks work warehouse has great kakis |
| 20:33.31 | blitzrage | not that casual :) |
| 20:33.31 | Juggie | then you just need a shirt. |
| 20:33.42 | blitzrage | dress pants/shirt tie |
| 20:33.50 | Juggie | ah, thats not casual |
| 20:33.57 | blitzrage | none of my dress pants fit my waist anymore |
| 20:34.05 | blitzrage | a suit is a step up |
| 20:34.05 | Juggie | kakis and a collared shirt no tie is casual |
| 20:34.15 | blitzrage | I'm talking casual for a funeral.... |
| 20:34.25 | Juggie | i suppose. |
| 20:34.35 | blitzrage | I could get away with nice jeans and a golf shirt, but that's a bit casual for my grandfathers funeral |
| 20:34.49 | blitzrage | at least in my opinion -- none of my family would care |
| 20:34.52 | Juggie | yeah. |
| 20:35.24 | Juggie | i'm sure you can find some dress pants and a shirt and tie |
| 20:35.30 | Juggie | usually i just steal my dads stuff :) |
| 20:35.33 | Juggie | anyways, i am off. |
| 20:35.39 | blitzrage | my dad is 300lbs... not gonna work :) |
| 20:35.53 | Juggie | :) |
| 20:43.42 | jsmith | file: So, out of curiousity, how hard is the groupcount stuff gonna be? |
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| 20:48.26 | file | jsmith: it'll be interesting |
| 20:51.00 | blitzrage | ok, I'm off to go clothes shopping now |
| 20:51.01 | blitzrage | lates! |
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| 21:41.34 | file | jsmith: it's... messy |
| 21:41.55 | jsmith | file: Well, all the channel walking is messy |
| 21:42.01 | jsmith | file: What's new? |
| 21:42.39 | file | last episode of SG-1 soon, that's new |
| 21:51.56 | file | doesn't air till tomorrow it seems |
| 21:51.58 | file | how... lame |
| 22:49.38 | Alric | yay SG-1! |
| 22:49.45 | Alric | Tomorrow's episode sounds lame. |
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