IRC log for #asterisk-doc on 20070530

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13:52.50blitzragemorning all!
13:54.07blitzrageyay poke!
13:54.21filenot THAT kind of poke
13:54.24blitzragesomething is very wrong with my Internet....
13:54.41filehowso
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14:36.15blitzrageI can't tell if it's my Internet connection, my Linksys router, or what... but it takes like 20 seconds to load a website, but 'nslookup' seems to work fairly quickly....
14:42.58fileit's you.
14:43.19jsmithfile: Now you've done it... I just had to respond to that thread on the -users list
14:43.38fileo rly?
14:44.07jsmithYeah...
14:44.11jsmithDid my post not show up?
14:45.17jsmithhttp://lists.digium.com/pipermail/asterisk-users/2007-May/188937.html
14:45.18brac[[asterisk-users] *End Of Life ASTERISK 1.2.X Was:
14:45.18bracINSTRUCTIONSFORTHE ASTERISK COMMUNITY - PLEASEREAD NOW *]
14:46.17fileit did, I saw it
14:47.11jsmithThink that'll get people straightened out?
15:16.09AlricNo
15:39.11blitzragelol... I have a customer whose phone is registering to port '1'
15:39.16blitzragenot port 5060, but port 1
15:39.30blitzrageand they complain one of their phones won't register
15:39.37blitzragetsiafu
15:49.55jsmithblitzrage: Sounds like a really stupid firewall
15:50.09blitzrageexactly
15:50.16blitzragesounds like a config issue on their network
15:50.25AlricOr another phone is using 5060?
15:50.43blitzragethat is also true, but shouldn't the firewall be smart enough to use something else?
15:50.57AlricLike... what?
15:51.01AlricOne port is as good as another...
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15:52.08jsmithAlric: Ports below 1025 are usually reserved for well-known processes
15:52.24AlricWhat uses port 1?
15:52.29blitzragejsmith: exactly... it shouldn't be using something under 1024 for sure
15:52.53AlricTCPMUX
15:52.55ctooleytcpmux          1/tcp                           # TCP port service multiplexer
15:52.56Alrichmmm
15:53.05blitzrage1TCPMUX, TCP Port Service Multiplexer.
15:53.07blitzrage:D
15:53.10blitzrageyay good :)
15:53.14blitzrageerrr... google
15:53.18AlricCourse, thats tcp
15:53.24Alricthis is udp
15:53.31AlricSame thing though
15:53.51AlricEveryone seen the new Microsoft toy Surface?
15:58.58Juggieblitzrage, http://www.cbc.ca/consumer/story/2007/05/30/manitoba-cellphone.html?ref=rss
15:59.01brac[Manitoba chiefs want cellphone revenue]
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16:23.45fileI hate plastic wrap
16:23.47filethat is all.
16:24.09AlricI hate all things analog.
16:31.23blitzrageI hate how I'm getting latency on my conference calls
16:37.10AlricDid call park change in 1.4 somehow?
16:42.23AlricThis is really weird.
16:42.48AlricCustomer tries to park someone, gets: -- Unable to find extension '7' in context ''
16:43.10fileblitzrage: HRM!
16:47.40AlricHmmm.
16:48.11AlricI have context= set for the analog zap phones, and zap show channel <phone channel> shows a context, but when they try to pound transfer (features.conf thing), it doesn't look in a context.
16:53.06AlricOh how nice.  TRANSFER_CONTEXT.
16:55.48blitzrageanyone notice on 1.4 that as you add more callers to a conference, the latency increases... that seems to be what I'm finding
16:56.03blitzrageI know jsmith gave me some things to look at....
16:56.11blitzrageI should have written them down :)
16:58.04jsmithblitzrage: There's an "optimization" flag... did you set that?
16:58.04Alricthat TRANSFER_CONTEXT stuff needs documenting.
16:58.05blitzragejsmith: optimization flag eh... let me look
16:58.05jsmithblitzrage: yeah... I think it's called "talker optimization" or something like that.
16:58.45blitzragehrmmmm.... yah, I see it... doesn't really seem to match to what I'm seeing though
16:58.52blitzrageits not background noise I'm getting, because we tend to mute ourselves, but around about 5 sim. callers, then I start to get noticable latency between when I say something, and when I hear it
16:58.53jsmithTry it! Try it! You will see... you will like it! Be Happy!
16:59.20blitzrageokie-- I will try!
17:07.12Alric"Bug" submitted!
17:07.35Alricugh.  Forgot the [Patch] part.  Been so long since I've done this :)
17:11.34blitzrageeveryone who can, jump on 863 868 0202
17:12.17blitzragejsmith: ping ^^^
17:12.22blitzrageAlric: ping ^^^ :)
17:12.38AlricWorking on it.
17:12.41blitzragenp
17:12.44AlricMy office phone is recorded.
17:12.49blitzragenp
17:13.20blitzragethat you alric?
17:13.22Alricyeah
17:13.26blitzrageI can't really hear you
17:13.28Alricjust said "Hows it going"
17:16.30jsmithJumping on now
17:20.30AlricAh the good old days
17:20.33blitzragethx everyone!
17:20.37blitzragehehehe :)
17:20.52AlricExcept the last time I did that I was on a Cisco 7960.
17:20.58blitzrageya, me too
17:21.00blitzragemine died...
17:21.05blitzrageI haven't plugged it back in to test again though
17:21.12AlricThrough a 1.2.0 beta box, I think.
17:21.14blitzragecould have been my network... not sure
18:07.46filejsmith: what was for lunch?
18:07.54jsmithfile: Soup.
18:08.04filewas it... soupy?
18:08.10jsmithfile: Caldo de Pollo, and part of yesterday's club sandwich
18:08.22jsmithfile: (which is just Spanish for chicken noodle soup)
18:08.37jsmithBut it was supposedly "Autentico"
18:08.51AlricMhmm.  Caldo de Perro
18:09.23AlricI mean Pollo.  Yeah.  Pollo.
18:11.05jsmithNo, "perro" is greasier than "pollo"... it tastes more like "pato"
19:00.20filejsmith: oh no, someone replied to you!
19:00.23jsmithGreat :-(
19:00.27jsmithNow I've gotta check email again
19:28.22jsmithI deleted my draft reply
19:28.27jsmithAnd decided to hold my tongue
19:28.57filenow I'm curious...
19:28.59jsmithI had a fiery reply saying "It's not our fault that AMP can't keep up.  We can't sit around and wait for them, since all they do is leach"
19:29.04jsmithBut then I deleted it
19:29.13jsmithAnd decided to simply say nothing
19:29.33fileoh, I was talking about another...
19:29.40jsmithWhich one?
19:29.57fileThe problem with this is that if 1.2 has a bug that is making it unstable, it should be fixed to make a stable project, rather then steam rolling ahead to the next release.  Further, I have seen on several occassions a security patch cause stability issues in Asterisk.
19:30.09jsmithThat one's not worth a reply
19:31.18jsmith(unless someone wanted to track down the exact release date for 1.2, and say "Look buddy... you've had X months do help up track down the bug.  Do you have a bug number?  Did you file a bug for the security patch that caused a problem?  Put up or shut up."
19:32.06filedooooo it ^_^
19:40.46blitzragejsmith: people annoy the piss outta me, because those of us who use it every single day seem to do all the work, and the people who never use it just seem to complain
19:40.56blitzrageif Asterisk was really that shitty, we certainly wouldn't be using it
19:41.10blitzragepeople who just don't have the skills seem to be the loudest ones
19:41.30blitzrageand now I'm off to reboot my laptop because for some reason my WinXP in VMware can load websites super fine, but my laptop takes 30 seconds to load anything up
19:47.35jsmithOK, message sent
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19:50.11blitzrageanyone have any idea why, DNS that is provided by my router, would cause websites to load instantaneously on my VMware WinXP, but would take like 30 seconds to start on my laptop?
19:50.34blitzrageInternet is practically unusable on my laptop since last night, but I don't remember changing anything....
19:50.42filedoes nslookup return immediately?
19:50.49blitzrageyep
19:50.53blitzrage[root@localhost ~]# route -n
19:50.53blitzrageKernel IP routing table
19:50.53blitzrageDestination     Gateway         Genmask         Flags Metric Ref    Use Iface
19:50.53blitzrage192.168.1.0     0.0.0.0         255.255.255.0   U     0      0        0 eth1
19:50.53blitzrage172.16.9.0      0.0.0.0         255.255.255.0   U     0      0        0 vmnet8
19:50.54blitzrage192.168.24.0    0.0.0.0         255.255.255.0   U     0      0        0 vmnet1
19:50.56blitzrage0.0.0.0         192.168.1.1     0.0.0.0         UG    0      0        0 eth1
19:50.57jsmithWhat about "host" instead of nslookup
19:50.58blitzrageno routing loops....
19:51.29blitzrage[root@localhost ~]# host google.ca
19:51.29blitzragegoogle.ca has address 64.233.187.104
19:51.29blitzrage;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached
19:51.34blitzragethe IP returned immediately
19:53.37blitzragehrmmmmmmmmmmmm
19:53.44blitzragethe DNS on the linksys seems to be a bit messed
19:53.58blitzrage<PROTECTED>
19:53.59blitzrage[root@localhost ~]# host google.ca 4.2.2.2
19:53.59blitzrageUsing domain server:
19:53.59blitzrageName: 4.2.2.2
19:53.59blitzrageAddress: 4.2.2.2#53
19:53.59blitzrageAliases:
19:54.01blitzragegoogle.ca has address 72.14.207.104
19:54.03blitzragegoogle.ca has address 64.233.161.104
19:54.05blitzragegoogle.ca has address 64.233.187.104
19:54.09blitzragegoogle.ca mail is handled by 10 smtp1.google.com.
19:54.11blitzragegoogle.ca mail is handled by 10 smtp2.google.com.
19:54.13blitzragegoogle.ca mail is handled by 10 smtp3.google.com.
19:54.15blitzragegoogle.ca mail is handled by 10 smtp4.google.com.
19:54.17blitzrage[root@localhost ~]# host google.ca 192.168.1.1
19:54.19blitzrageUsing domain server:
19:54.21blitzrageName: 192.168.1.1
19:54.23blitzrageAddress: 192.168.1.1#53
19:54.25blitzrageAliases:
19:54.27blitzragegoogle.ca has address 64.233.187.104
19:54.29blitzrage;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached
19:54.31blitzrage;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached
19:54.33blitzrage<PROTECTED>
19:54.50blitzragejsmith: any idea how to tell Network Manager to ignore the DNS returned by the DHCP server on the linksys and use whats in resolv.conf? (or rather, to not overwrite what is in resolv.conf
19:54.51blitzrage)
19:55.10jsmithYeah, but I don't remember it off the top of my head... let me google.
19:55.15jsmithfile: Did you like my reply?
19:55.23jsmithfile: (the nice friendly reply)
19:55.41filehaven't seen it yet
19:56.23fileah there it is
19:56.37filenifty reply
19:56.59jsmithWas I nice but stern?
19:57.04fileyes
19:57.08blitzragelink?
19:57.10jsmithWas I a slice of lemon wrapped around a gold brick?
19:58.19filejsmith: apple pie!
19:58.32Juggieblitzrage, add PEERDNS=no to your ifcfg-eth?
19:58.37Juggieand then do a network restart
19:58.50Juggiethen edit your /etc/resolv.conf
19:59.01blitzrageJuggie: but I'm using NetworkManager, so it writes the resolv.conf
19:59.14JuggieNetworkManager?
19:59.17Juggiewhat the hell is that
19:59.18blitzrageI don't know that it takes into account the stuff in ifcfg-ethX
19:59.44jsmithblitzrage: Just do what juggie says... it'll work
19:59.51blitzrageok, will try
20:00.02jsmithOnce again, Juggie has the right answer
20:00.27file...scary
20:00.38blitzrages/again//
20:00.40blitzrage:)
20:01.36blitzrageno go
20:01.38blitzragestill over wrote
20:02.31Juggiedid you use /sbin/service network restart
20:02.33Juggieor something else
20:02.36blitzrageyes
20:02.40blitzragethat's how I restart my network
20:02.56Juggieand you did it twice to confirm it changed after the second restart?
20:03.15blitzrageI changed /etc/resolv.conf, then did service network restart, then cat /etc/resolv.conf
20:03.39Juggieedit it again, and do another restart.
20:04.14blitzragewtf
20:04.18blitzrageyou have to do it twice?
20:04.38Juggiewell, its possible dhcpd might write /etc/resolv.conf on a network stop
20:04.49blitzrageok, if I use NetworkManager (the icon in the upper right corner for my wifi), it over writes it stil
20:04.59blitzrageso Network Manager isn't listening to ifcfg-eth1
20:05.46filehttp://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&om=1&layer=c&cbll=37.810337,-122.252508&cbp=1,273.618658414742,0.372247067615998,3&ll=37.812056,-122.252276&spn=0.014664,0.014398&z=16
20:05.48filesomeone's cat!
20:19.39jsmithblitzrage: You can always "chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf"
20:19.47jsmithOf course, you'll curse me every time you travel
20:19.58blitzrageI know...
20:20.12blitzragewell... unless I use a public DNS
20:20.15blitzragethen it shouldn't matter
20:20.34jsmithTrue, that.
20:20.48jsmithUnless you're behind a captive portal that doesn't allow you to make outside DNS lookups
20:21.01blitzragetrue
20:21.04blitzrageI'll just have ot remember......
20:22.00jsmithYup.
20:22.05jsmithYou might point at the OpenDNS servers
20:22.14jsmithThey seem to be more resiliant than most
20:22.20jsmith(and block a bunch of crap)
20:22.35blitzragehrmmmm.... now with that chattr thing it won't bring the network back up :)
20:22.50blitzrageNM just sits there spinning
20:36.29jsmithfile: Quick -- tell me when 1.2.0 was released.
20:36.38jsmithfile: Or better yet, the feature freeze on the 1.2 branch
20:36.50fileummmmmm dunno
20:38.57fileNovember 16th?
20:39.25jsmithOK.
20:39.26file(for release)
20:41.30jsmithRight.
20:41.34jsmithGood enough
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20:44.37filebah, prices for hotels in New York make me sad
20:45.29blitzrageugh... not of that stuff worked, so I'll just have to overwrite it manually everytime I boot
20:47.26fileoh and my Canadian tire order shipped... but they don't say how
20:50.06blitzrageCT sucks...
20:54.53filejsmith / blitzrage: what would you two say to being able to do per device options in a Dial line as well as globally?
20:55.11blitzrageeh?
20:55.27jsmithfile: Awesome, but complex
20:55.42fileI'm pondering app_dial2
20:55.49jsmithfile: If we do that, we need another option for "how long do I wait *before* dialing that peer
20:56.10jsmithfile: To make the whole "ring this phone for 5 seconds, then ring them both for another 10" thing easier
20:56.21jsmith(right now, I have to teach people about chan_local and Wait()
20:56.25blitzrageI want an option that says, "don't start counting the ring cycle until we get a 180 Ringing or 183 Session Progress", and not start counting as soon as Dial() is executed
20:56.51blitzragethats about the most annoying thing I can think of... :)
20:58.27filejsmith: which one did you reply to now?
20:58.45jsmithOne of the "I wish they'd stop adding features to 1.2" messages
20:59.17filehttp://lists.digium.com/pipermail/asterisk-users/2007-May/188982.html reply to 'dat one too
20:59.18brac[[asterisk-users] *End Of Life ASTERISK 1.2.X Was:
20:59.19bracINSTRUCTIONSFORTHE ASTERISK COMMUNITY - PLEASEREAD NOW *]
21:01.30jsmithfile: Remind me where in the source code I'd find the device states
21:01.41filea list? include/asterisk/devicestate.h
21:04.43jsmithfile: Thank you!
21:08.18jsmithfile: As for that last one you wanted me to reply to, that needs to come from a Digium person
21:08.30jsmithfile: explaining how it was a development decision, not a business decision
21:08.50jsmithfile: Ideally it, it would be Russell who would respond to that one.
21:20.03AlricNothing like some good drama to keep the fires burning hot!
22:04.12blitzragecrap...
22:04.29blitzrageso I call Queue(foobar|n), but after it runs out of members, it doesn't continue on in the dialplan like it should....
22:30.44blitzrageok, so now it works, but I wonder why thsi loops through quite
22:30.49blitzrageloops through twice*
22:50.45blitzragewelp, fixed it by removing queue members that don't answer
22:55.24AlricHuh? YOu say something?
23:16.21blitzragenot so much

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