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| 01:16.00 | Juggie | hmmm funtastic |
| 01:16.08 | Juggie | i hasve to get dell to replace my lcd on my laptopp |
| 01:16.19 | Juggie | and i also cant type i guess |
| 02:08.15 | leifmadsen | known quantity |
| 03:03.28 | Juggie | :) |
| 03:03.32 | Juggie | oh well no big deal |
| 03:03.40 | Juggie | when i call dell i get 'pro support' anyways |
| 03:03.49 | Juggie | i'm guessing i'll have a new LCD by wed. |
| 03:04.34 | Juggie | there is just a little thing on the bottom right portion looks like i dunno 15-20 pixels are slightly lighter |
| 03:04.48 | Juggie | not visible when black only with colors more so with white |
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| 11:51.44 | leifmadsen | yo |
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| 15:40.38 | Juggie | word |
| 15:40.59 | Juggie | about to try dell support |
| 15:41.06 | Juggie | i wonder if i can get through this w/o any trouble |
| 15:42.39 | leifmadsen | points and laugh-screams |
| 15:42.57 | Juggie | hah |
| 15:43.05 | Juggie | well i dont get the overseas support thankfully |
| 15:43.06 | leifmadsen | jsmith: ping? question for you |
| 15:43.12 | leifmadsen | thankfully! |
| 15:43.27 | jsmith | leifmadsen: pong |
| 15:43.41 | Juggie | nice their online chat is down |
| 15:43.51 | Juggie | jsmith, got a bill for me? |
| 15:44.17 | leifmadsen | jsmith: do you think it would be a useful exercise for me to (at some point) convert the tex documentation in asterisk to docbook, so that we can keep a consistent documentation formatting language? |
| 15:44.20 | leifmadsen | (markup) |
| 15:44.38 | Juggie | leifmadsen, find a way to make astetrisk docs as good as php |
| 15:44.40 | Juggie | that is the goal |
| 15:44.55 | leifmadsen | Juggie: your response does not relate to my question at all |
| 15:45.00 | leifmadsen | Juggie: and we're already working on it |
| 15:45.22 | Juggie | leifmadsen, it means the technology is irrlevant, find a way to export to windows helpfile, html, etc... |
| 15:45.23 | leifmadsen | jsmith pretty much has the infrastructure done for it |
| 15:45.30 | leifmadsen | that's what docbook is for |
| 15:45.59 | leifmadsen | documentation needs to be centralized to do that -- and what we're using docbook to do |
| 15:46.28 | leifmadsen | you're just re-stating what I've been saying for the last year about asterisk documentation. We're well on our way to making it a reality. |
| 15:46.36 | jsmith | leifmadsen: Yes... as long as your boss approves your time on that |
| 15:46.39 | leifmadsen | you just haven't seen it yet since it is being developed in the background |
| 15:46.56 | leifmadsen | jsmith: I mentioned it to russell, and he seemed supportive, although concerned at the work required :) |
| 15:46.57 | jsmith | leifmadsen: and as long as the developers are OK with dragging in the dependencies for building the PDFs |
| 15:47.12 | jsmith | leifmadsen: Right now, the requirements for building the PDF are pretty minimal |
| 15:47.13 | leifmadsen | jsmith: that's fine, since all builds are done on my build VM |
| 15:47.23 | leifmadsen | I just need to set it up on one machine |
| 15:47.28 | jsmith | leifmadsen: With DocBook, that obviously drags in a *lot* more dependencies (java for FOP, etc.) |
| 15:47.34 | leifmadsen | and then the mkrelease script just needs to be updated |
| 15:47.42 | Juggie | super, my support guy is 'Mark' |
| 15:47.43 | Juggie | nice. |
| 15:48.07 | russellb | leifmadsen: what do I support? |
| 15:48.42 | leifmadsen | russellb: you seemed supportive of my desire to convert tex to docbook when I asked you before, in order to keep a consistent documentation format |
| 15:49.04 | russellb | Oh, sure, if you guys think that will actually improve the quality of the documentation we provide. |
| 15:50.12 | russellb | I am supportive of the effort. |
| 15:50.13 | leifmadsen | I'm just throwing the idea out there to see what people think. Since we now have other documentation in a docbook like markup, I'd like to see it all in a single markup style to be consistent, and allow exporting to websites easier |
| 15:50.57 | russellb | LaTeX to HTML is already there. What is the difference? |
| 15:51.02 | russellb | more control of the output style? |
| 15:52.19 | leifmadsen | well, I was mostly thinking of the tool jsmith built to import the other documentation into a website -- figured if it was docbook it might make the tool more useful by importing other documentation |
| 15:52.28 | leifmadsen | I have no idea if that is really true or not |
| 15:54.23 | russellb | Okay, well get back to me on that. :-) |
| 15:54.43 | russellb | I support it in general, but I need some pretty solid justification before it can become an official Digium sponsored effort. |
| 15:59.19 | leifmadsen | no problem -- that's why I'm throwing it out there to determine if what I think is useful, really is useful |
| 15:59.31 | leifmadsen | (and why I haven't started doing anything yet) |
| 15:59.47 | Juggie | ah painless support so nice. |
| 16:00.02 | Juggie | i tell the guy the problem and he goes, sounds like dead pixels lets send someone out to replace it tomorow |
| 16:00.17 | Juggie | i guess this is what money gets you |
| 16:02.42 | Juggie | here is the thing |
| 16:02.59 | Juggie | voip-info is the only source of online dialplan function/app documentation |
| 16:03.02 | Juggie | and it blows |
| 16:03.23 | Juggie | there needs to be a digium sponsored effort to get the documentation online for all those functions/apps. |
| 16:03.34 | Juggie | so its coherant, in a singular format, and up to date. |
| 16:04.33 | jsmith | Juggie: Well, our current efforts are to get all that documentation into *Asterisk* (in XML format), so that it's easy to extract for a web page, etc. |
| 16:05.59 | Juggie | thats cool, i'm just pushing the fact that there needs to be a digium sponsored effort aka, php docs, mysql docs, apache docs, and so on. |
| 16:06.16 | leifmadsen | Juggie: it's already being done (like I said) |
| 16:06.30 | leifmadsen | jsmith has been working on it |
| 16:06.36 | leifmadsen | you just aren't paying attention |
| 16:06.42 | Juggie | jsmith: make sure it supports versioning too :) |
| 16:07.30 | jsmith | Juggie: If you have so much free time, why don't *you* write it! :-) |
| 16:10.10 | Juggie | jsmith, thats actually the problem i have 0 free time |
| 16:10.19 | Juggie | i barely have time for the paid work i need to do |
| 16:15.12 | Juggie | leifmadsen, i heard the strike might be over? |
| 16:15.54 | leifmadsen | it was over yesterday |
| 16:15.58 | leifmadsen | needs to be ratified though |
| 16:27.26 | Alric | strike? |
| 16:38.34 | leifmadsen | Toronto union workers were on strike |
| 16:38.43 | leifmadsen | no garbage pickup for 36 days |
| 16:38.52 | leifmadsen | plus pools and daycares closed |
| 16:38.59 | leifmadsen | union basically held the city ransom |
| 16:39.06 | leifmadsen | as they typically do every 2 years |
| 16:39.17 | leifmadsen | this time they have a deal for the next 4 years |
| 16:39.27 | leifmadsen | pay raises of 1, 1, 2, and 3 percent each year |
| 16:40.44 | Alric | Unions need to take a good look at Detriot. |
| 16:40.53 | leifmadsen | I don't disagree |
| 16:41.03 | leifmadsen | they'll unionize themselves right out of a job |
| 16:41.07 | Alric | Yep |
| 16:41.22 | leifmadsen | I think the city should have just fired all the union workers and hired private contractors |
| 16:41.37 | leifmadsen | one of the issues was that the union could bank all their sick days, and then cash them in at retirement |
| 16:41.44 | leifmadsen | any idea how much money that is?! |
| 16:41.58 | Alric | Probably a lot. |
| 16:42.19 | leifmadsen | I'd think so :) |
| 16:42.22 | leifmadsen | tax dollars at work |
| 16:42.26 | leifmadsen | I think I'll get lunch now |
| 16:53.19 | Juggie | hehehe |
| 16:53.23 | Juggie | smiles @ his sick days |
| 16:55.16 | Juggie | there are good reasons to have sick days too |
| 16:55.29 | Juggie | my dad had brain surgery 10 years ago and he had enough sick days to take a year off and not loose pay |
| 16:57.04 | Juggie | i have 438.75 hrs of sick leave banked :) |
| 17:05.14 | jsmith | That's sick! |
| 17:07.03 | leifmadsen | I don't have any sick days. |
| 17:07.16 | leifmadsen | I had to get insurance in case I got sick enough that I needed to take 10+ days off |
| 17:07.42 | leifmadsen | I'm gonna run over to the mall and get a couple links removed off my new watch so I can wear it! |
| 17:07.54 | leifmadsen | (and probably buy some chocolate, which I shouldn't do... don't tell Danielle :)) |
| 18:03.20 | leifmadsen | returns |
| 18:04.56 | leifmadsen | anyone know of a simple script that will analyze existing CDR records (in the cdr-csv Master.csv file)? I just need it to pull back information for a particular phone to get the activity, calls, duration, etc... over a period of time |
| 18:07.36 | jsmith | leifmadsen: http://www.areski.net/asterisk-stat-v2/about.php |
| 18:07.43 | leifmadsen | I don't want to use a DB |
| 18:07.49 | leifmadsen | this is just a flat file I want to analyze |
| 18:08.08 | Alric | GL with that |
| 18:08.16 | leifmadsen | "All the graphic & reports are based over the CDR database. " |
| 18:08.36 | Alric | I haven't seen anything. I've done flat file imports to a CDR database, but nothing directly from flat file. |
| 18:08.58 | jsmith | leifmadsen: Whip yourself up a quick awk script, then |
| 18:09.08 | leifmadsen | doing that presumes I know how to use awk |
| 18:09.23 | jsmith | Sounds like a good learning opportunity, to me |
| 18:09.28 | leifmadsen | I don't have time to learn |
| 18:09.34 | jsmith | Or, just import everything in to Excel/OpenOffice calc |
| 18:09.39 | jsmith | and use those tools |
| 18:09.51 | leifmadsen | I'll figure something out based on what the client wants to spend time wise |
| 18:10.11 | leifmadsen | I'll probably just import the data to a DB if they want to go that far |
| 18:10.51 | jsmith | That's what I'd do... Probably take about an hour when all is said and done |
| 18:16.50 | Juggie | leifmadsen, import into openoffice excel equivilant i guess |
| 18:17.07 | Juggie | and write a couple of formulas to figure it out |
| 18:21.01 | leifmadsen | ya, I just got the go-ahead to just do asterisk-stat |
| 18:21.08 | leifmadsen | sounds like they might want it for the future anyways |
| 18:46.28 | ctooley | gotta love a day that involves losing half of your servers to hardware failure due to overheating. |
| 18:47.09 | Alric | I love those days. |
| 18:47.35 | Alric | In Texas I sometimes feel like I'm going to have a hardware failure to overheating :) |
| 18:49.28 | jsmith | ctooley: Half of your servers? |
| 18:49.35 | jsmith | ctooley: Isn't that like... hundreds? |
| 18:49.39 | jsmith | ctooley: Thousands? |
| 18:49.52 | ctooley | jsmith, ~100 |
| 18:50.27 | ctooley | simultaneous failure due to some serious issues |
| 18:58.55 | leifmadsen | jeebuz |
| 19:02.25 | jsmith | ctooley: Lovely... |
| 19:03.08 | ctooley | yeah... not pleasant |
| 20:10.55 | Juggie | heh |
| 20:11.00 | Juggie | that sucks |
| 20:12.40 | Juggie | and i thought dealing w/ stupid IE bugs was bad. |
| 20:13.00 | Alric | beats PHP mercilessly with a somewhat used, rusty crowbar. |
| 20:13.06 | Juggie | <input type=submit value=moot>Woot</input> |
| 20:13.15 | Juggie | now, what do you think value should = :) |
| 20:13.19 | Juggie | moot or woot? :P |
| 20:13.31 | Juggie | ie6/7 thinks its Woot |
| 20:13.32 | Alric | I'd say its a moot point. |
| 20:14.20 | leifmadsen | Alric: what?! I like php :) |
| 20:14.28 | Juggie | we had to come up w/ a js hack to set the name= of each of the buttons we wanted to use to different values and then when the user clicks one the JS updates a hidden field w/ the button we want and then does the submit |
| 20:14.52 | Juggie | ie7 woudnt need all that hack (just differntally named submit buttons) but ie6 submits all buttons even the unclicked ones to the post. |
| 20:16.21 | Juggie | so much fun! :P |
| 20:16.38 | Juggie | of course FF works every way |
| 20:19.21 | Alric | course. |