| 00:00.40 | Connor | what does this mean?? Got SIP response 481 "Call Leg/Transaction Does Not Exist" back from 192.168.0.5 |
| 00:00.50 | Tekati | How do you convert from gsm to wav? Is there an option for that in sox or do you have to use a different program for that? |
| 00:01.40 | doughecka | ~sox |
| 00:01.42 | | from memory, sox is Sound Processing Tool. URL: http://sox.sourceforge.net/ |
| 00:04.23 | bkw_ | sox infile.wav -r 8000 -c 1 outfile.gsm |
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| 00:16.15 | ^apathy^ | Tekati: sox in.gsm -a out.wav |
| 00:16.31 | *** part/#asterisk raulfragoso (~raulfrago@200-204-142-71.dsl.telesp.net.br) |
| 00:18.07 | bkw_ | no no no |
| 00:18.08 | bkw_ | sox infile.wav -r 8000 -c 1 outfile.gsm |
| 00:18.13 | bkw_ | oh |
| 00:18.16 | bkw_ | yes gsm to wav |
| 00:18.18 | bkw_ | your right |
| 00:18.19 | bkw_ | sowwy |
| 00:18.20 | bkw_ | haha |
| 00:21.24 | Simon_ca | can you trigger and agi from outside teh asterisk environment? Ie. a wake-up call service where calls are triggered through asterisk via cron... |
| 00:21.59 | jrollyson | Simon_ca: theres a spool that has basically that function |
| 00:22.40 | Simon_ca | jrollyson: spool? how's that work? |
| 00:22.54 | tclark | denon: 3rd party ant https://secure-order.net/sn900.com/store/p131.html |
| 00:23.52 | denon | ah, cool |
| 00:24.03 | jrollyson | Simon_ca: special directory |
| 00:24.25 | jrollyson | you drop call files in, asterisk finds them and executes them |
| 00:24.28 | JerJer | Simon_ca: use the asterisk manager |
| 00:24.47 | jrollyson | theres a sample.call in the source dist. |
| 00:25.23 | tclark | denon: 850mW to a full 7Watts is the trick |
| 00:25.37 | denon | uh huh .. very cool |
| 00:25.44 | denon | but you still only get like a mile with this kit? |
| 00:26.10 | Simon_ca | found sample.call thanks. |
| 00:26.11 | tclark | no no 3-4 miles |
| 00:26.17 | denon | ahh |
| 00:26.19 | denon | sweet. |
| 00:26.26 | denon | is it relatively secure? |
| 00:26.27 | ManxPower | Simon_ca, see sample.call in the asterisk source directory |
| 00:27.02 | tclark | somes night in the summer along the water front we get more |
| 00:27.08 | ManxPower | denon, I would not reccomend doing drug deals with any cordless phone. 8-) |
| 00:27.12 | denon | haha |
| 00:27.14 | denon | well .. no .. |
| 00:27.25 | denon | but I dont really consider spectrum hopping a form of encryption |
| 00:27.34 | lecram | ManxPower: www.cryptophone.de |
| 00:27.41 | denon | seeing as though it'd be easy enough to rig gear to track it .. even just for a feek |
| 00:27.43 | denon | geek |
| 00:27.47 | denon | I dont really have anyting worth saying that needs to be secure |
| 00:27.53 | tzanger | denon: heh |
| 00:28.35 | ManxPower | lecram, IPSec is cheaper |
| 00:28.50 | denon | tclark: "is possible you will get 10 miles with the new amplifier." |
| 00:29.08 | denon | I wonder if thats true .. I could stick it on a tower if that would help |
| 00:29.09 | lecram | well... a compatible codec might be nice :) |
| 00:29.12 | denon | well, small tower .. 80ft |
| 00:29.13 | tclark | open flat farm land or out on a boat |
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| 00:29.45 | denon | but then I'd need to deal with cabling, there's no heat/electic/etc up there |
| 00:29.50 | tzanger | bah |
| 00:29.59 | tclark | yea i mountd the ant on the peak of the hse |
| 00:30.07 | denon | at the office I was thinking |
| 00:30.08 | tzanger | I can do a 40km link with good antennas and Demarctech radios |
| 00:30.11 | tzanger | no additional amps |
| 00:30.17 | denon | if I could get 10mi coverage, I could cut down on my cell bills :) |
| 00:30.50 | tclark | yea that why we got it bcus wed kept forgetting call fwd to cell & miss bookings |
| 00:31.18 | denon | tclark: so the amp needs power right? |
| 00:31.25 | tzanger | yes amp'll need power |
| 00:31.26 | tclark | tzanger: must a crtc lic for that |
| 00:31.40 | tzanger | tclark: nope |
| 00:31.40 | tclark | yea but is bybthe base set |
| 00:31.47 | denon | tclark: well, if I put it up 80ft |
| 00:31.52 | tzanger | tclark: and it's Industry Canada you'll get in shit with if you go over the limits |
| 00:31.53 | denon | I wonder if it needs to be warm |
| 00:32.17 | tzanger | IIRC IndCan is harmonizing with the FCC regs... which means for PTP links you can get some MAJOR power |
| 00:32.18 | denon | gotta figure on -25F |
| 00:32.41 | tzanger | denon: commercial grade doesn't like going below 0c -- put a strip heater in there (resistive element on a thermostat) |
| 00:32.42 | tclark | then tz: some url whete i cansee that setup |
| 00:32.50 | tzanger | tclark: cisco has the fcc regs |
| 00:33.02 | denon | tzanger: yeah, but then I need to get power up there too |
| 00:33.04 | tzanger | tclark: basicall (it's been a while now) 4W EIRP |
| 00:33.12 | tzanger | denon: if you're amping it you'll need power up there |
| 00:33.16 | denon | nod |
| 00:33.19 | tclark | url to that gear |
| 00:33.20 | tzanger | now |
| 00:33.28 | tzanger | which gear, demarctech? |
| 00:33.30 | denon | I assume its a low draw though |
| 00:33.38 | tclark | yah is that the name |
| 00:33.44 | tzanger | tclark: demarctech.com |
| 00:33.55 | tzanger | -91dBm RX sens @11mbps |
| 00:33.56 | tzanger | beat that |
| 00:33.57 | denon | I guess I'd need to put the phone thing up there too.. othewise I'd need wicked cabling for low-loss over 80ft |
| 00:34.00 | tzanger | 200mW tx power |
| 00:34.17 | tzanger | FCC also says for PTP that for every dB you do NOT have in tx power, you can go up 3dB on antenna |
| 00:34.43 | denon | tclark / tzanger: you think 80ft would help much over just the top of a building? pretty level terrain, not many big buildings |
| 00:34.52 | Connor | put the radio up at the antenna too... Use as LITTLE LRM as possible. |
| 00:34.56 | tzanger | 80ft is a hell of a tower for reguarl little guy use |
| 00:35.01 | tzanger | Connor: absolutely |
| 00:35.09 | tzanger | run POE up to the radio |
| 00:35.23 | tzanger | IIRC a friend uses those demarctech outdoor radios with POE -- no heater |
| 00:35.24 | denon | yeah, for 802.11 |
| 00:35.27 | tzanger | this is in Canada |
| 00:35.28 | Connor | Yup, We're a ISP/WISP as well as getting into VoIP |
| 00:35.31 | denon | but this phone wont do POE I assume |
| 00:35.37 | tzanger | NUT-KNOCKINGLY-COLD Canada |
| 00:35.53 | Connor | You can make it do PoE denon. :) |
| 00:35.54 | denon | cisco ruggid gear is supposed to run under anything |
| 00:35.56 | tzanger | denon: you're putting a phone on a tower?? |
| 00:36.06 | denon | tzanger: yeah .. well, if you guys think it'd help |
| 00:36.08 | tzanger | denon: cisco gear is way too expensive for what you actually get |
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| 00:36.12 | denon | I wanna cut down on my cell stuff |
| 00:36.15 | tzanger | denon: get a cell phone with a decent plan |
| 00:36.21 | denon | Ive got a decent plan |
| 00:36.25 | denon | but nothin beats being on the pbx |
| 00:36.29 | tzanger | cordless phones are noisy and useless |
| 00:36.43 | denon | I wouldnt say that |
| 00:36.47 | denon | my gigasets work ok |
| 00:36.51 | tzanger | not to mention you blast your conversation over where everyone can hear it |
| 00:37.06 | denon | and the occasional analog cell converage is better .. how? |
| 00:37.07 | tzanger | I dunno... I'd use the cell to call into a local PSTN port on a * box |
| 00:37.13 | tzanger | denon: analog cell does suck |
| 00:37.20 | denon | we're mostly cdma here .. |
| 00:37.21 | tzanger | sucks battery, sucks fidelity... |
| 00:37.29 | denon | but you know .. once in a while .. you go somewhere with analog only |
| 00:37.34 | tzanger | denon: true enough |
| 00:37.45 | tzanger | I like my tri-mode phone... finally digital coverage in this shithole town :-) |
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| 00:37.50 | denon | dunno, id just like unlimited talk time for a 10mi radius |
| 00:38.06 | tzanger | seems like too much work... |
| 00:38.08 | denon | Id stick a couple of em up, then IAX em together |
| 00:38.10 | tzanger | tclark: amen... 3W amp |
| 00:38.13 | denon | few people in the office would love em |
| 00:38.18 | tzanger | not the shitty 500mW you get with the cell |
| 00:38.39 | tclark | yup thats it no digital in a lot of remote areas but the moto still works |
| 00:39.42 | tzanger | I wonder how expensive 1X is up here... I could just do my internet through that until springtime when I can erect my tower |
| 00:40.25 | denon | wish I could find cheap wireless broadband with low latencies. . |
| 00:40.29 | denon | just toss a * server in the car |
| 00:40.30 | tzanger | I just use IRC/email/IM these days it seems ... I have enough pr0n on the HDD to last until the springitme :-) |
| 00:41.16 | denon | you guys have any good luck with iax over any of these mobile internet services? |
| 00:41.21 | denon | sprint/etc |
| 00:42.14 | Connor | I think I would try to use 900mhz if they made a 900mhz PCMCIA card... |
| 00:42.22 | Simon_ca | using /var/spool/*/outgoing, it appears to proceed as if the far end has answered before the first ring is complete (and before the call is picked up). Is there some sort of answer detection I should check? |
| 00:42.27 | tzanger | I want a CDMA PCMCIA card |
| 00:42.53 | ManxPower | Simon_ca, You are using an X100P. Analog lines cannot determine if the far end answered or not. |
| 00:43.06 | ManxPower | Simon_ca, You will not have this problem with a digital line like a T-1 or PRI |
| 00:43.29 | ManxPower | tzanger, Verizon sells CDMS PCMCIA cards, so does Sprint |
| 00:43.34 | Simon_ca | manx: ahh. thanks |
| 00:43.38 | tzanger | ManxPower: do they work with Bell Mobility? |
| 00:43.49 | ManxPower | AT&T, BellSouth would sell you a TDMA or GSM card. |
| 00:43.54 | tzanger | ManxPower: my adit600 can do far-end disconnect |
| 00:44.05 | ManxPower | T-Mobile would only well you a GSM card |
| 00:44.19 | ManxPower | tzanger, I dunno. They can prolly sell you a card too. |
| 00:44.31 | ManxPower | Who is Bell Mobility? Canada or USA? |
| 00:44.43 | ManxPower | tzanger, with Analog lines? |
| 00:44.56 | tzanger | ManxPower: T100P -> Adit600 -> FXO lines |
| 00:45.06 | ManxPower | ANY analog far end answer feature will be a hack. |
| 00:45.13 | ManxPower | tzanger, Does it work well? |
| 00:45.52 | tzanger | dunno, jsmith has cornered the FXO card market for the Adit600 |
| 00:46.03 | ManxPower | I admit that the Digium far end answer stuff could be a LOT better. |
| 00:46.07 | Connor | Hey, how does one go about getting g729 up and running on a SCSI machine, (no raid) |
| 00:46.22 | ManxPower | Connor: You call Digium and pray a LOT. |
| 00:46.37 | ManxPower | I've heard that sacraficing a virgin helps, but I've never gotten confirmation. |
| 00:46.50 | Connor | Manx: If I install a IDE drive?? |
| 00:47.33 | tzanger | I've never had the willpower to sacrifice a virgin... they all end up non-virgins |
| 00:47.42 | ManxPower | Connor: I don't know. VoiceAge has some hack in their .so file that uses hdparm to do something with the fiesystem. If you backup and restore a filesystem the codec won't work until you reregister it and it will stop working if you register it more than three times. |
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| 00:48.43 | Connor | We'll I don't want to use the IDE for anything.. I want to keep using my SCSI drives.... Gonna sock hard if I have to reconfig my machine for it. |
| 00:50.03 | Connor | Why is g729 licensed anyway... |
| 00:50.09 | ManxPower | Connor: Call Digium. |
| 00:50.34 | ManxPower | Connor: Because one company holds all the patents for G729. Digium has to buy the G729 codec software from VoiceAge |
| 00:51.15 | Connor | Isn't there other GPL and GNU stuff out there that has g729 in it? |
| 00:51.18 | ManxPower | Connor: But at least they are better than the G723.1 patent holders, they don't even want to talk to you if you don't comit to spending LOTS of money (US$30,000 is one of the start up fees listed on their web site) |
| 00:51.34 | ManxPower | Connor: Nobody will risk going to jail by making a GPL G729 |
| 00:52.00 | Connor | Hmm. |
| 00:52.06 | ManxPower | Connor: There are a few hacks that some software uses that involves using a linux wrapper for a Windows G729 DLL |
| 00:52.19 | tzanger | jeebus |
| 00:52.23 | tzanger | $500 for a CDMA card?! |
| 00:52.29 | tzanger | Sierra Wireless Aircard 555 |
| 00:52.38 | ManxPower | tzanger, You can get discounts if you sign up for some service comitment. |
| 00:52.46 | tzanger | well yeah |
| 00:53.18 | ManxPower | tzanger, MOST modern phones have a USB data kit that lets you use your phone instead of a PCMCIA card. |
| 00:53.25 | tzanger | yeah |
| 00:53.31 | Connor | So why are people using these damn codecs then.. Isn't there anything better? |
| 00:53.36 | ManxPower | When I wanted to do that with my Verizon phone all their reps said I had to buy the card, but I got it working |
| 00:53.58 | ManxPower | Connor: Because people like Cisco don't think a quarter of a million dollars is much money. |
| 00:54.01 | tzanger | Connor: get off your drunk pimply ass and code up something better then! |
| 00:54.15 | ManxPower | Or they buy codec chips that include a codec license |
| 00:54.22 | Connor | tzanger: Don't have the time or knowledge to code up a codec. |
| 00:54.55 | denon | ManxPower: you talking using the phone for cdma data? or just a modem over cdma voice? |
| 00:55.04 | tzanger | then stop bitching about how shitty the existing ones are... |
| 00:55.15 | ManxPower | I wish someone could come up with a CHEAP low density PCI card with some codec chips on them |
| 00:55.18 | ManxPower | denon, BOTH |
| 00:55.21 | Connor | Hmm.. someone make a PCI card that has a codec processor on it for Asterisk. |
| 00:55.37 | denon | ManxPower: ah .. depends on the service and phone for data .. course any phone will do modem over voice, but who cares about that :) |
| 00:55.47 | ManxPower | Verizon calls their MODEM (14.4k) service over CDMA "QuickLink" and their CDMA DATA "Mobile IP" |
| 00:55.54 | tzanger | Connor: now you've got four PCI bus transfers... yuck. |
| 00:56.10 | tzanger | wtf is CDPD? heh |
| 00:56.13 | denon | ManxPower: yeah, im talkin real cdma data .. local carrier is doing like 128k or somethin |
| 00:56.18 | ManxPower | denon, I never used an actual modem when I had the service. |
| 00:56.22 | *** join/#asterisk camoa (~camoa@200.71.58.37) |
| 00:56.26 | Connor | four PCI bus transfers ? |
| 00:56.28 | denon | 128 or 256, I dont recall |
| 00:56.28 | camoa | !info kphone |
| 00:56.28 | ManxPower | The Verizon Mobile IP was like 144K burst |
| 00:56.45 | ManxPower | Connor: It would still be faster than doing the codec in software |
| 00:56.46 | camoa | hello, where to find kphone |
| 00:56.47 | denon | they were actually giving 128 or 256 as the CIR |
| 00:56.50 | camoa | please |
| 00:57.02 | denon | if the latency was ok, Id think that would do ok for iax |
| 00:57.13 | tzanger | Connor: TDM card (or ethernet) -> MEM -> codec card -> MEM -> ethernet (or TDM card) |
| 00:57.23 | denon | but its anyone's guess what latency is like on those things |
| 00:57.32 | tzanger | camoa: apps.kde.com |
| 00:57.38 | ManxPower | denon, the reason I stoped using Mobile IP and QuickLink because 1) it was $80/month for unlimited usage and 2) kept giving me a BSoD on my Dell Laptop. |
| 00:57.46 | denon | ick |
| 00:57.51 | tzanger | lots of GPRS cards, no CDMA |
| 00:57.53 | Connor | tzanger, would off load the processor from having to deal with it though... |
| 00:57.53 | denon | yeah, the $80/mo is the reason I dont have it either |
| 00:58.04 | denon | Im not in my car that much anymore |
| 00:58.18 | ManxPower | denon, I was doing a lot of traveling at the time and really needed it. It's VERY usefil to be able to fix a problem while on the train |
| 00:58.23 | tzanger | Connor: at the expense of PCI bus use which, on heavily loaded systems is not such a good idea |
| 00:58.27 | tzanger | Connor: better to put the DSP right on the TDM card |
| 00:58.35 | ManxPower | I wonder if the ZapTel cards could do DMA directly into a Codec card |
| 00:58.46 | Connor | I don't have a DSP card though.... |
| 00:58.48 | denon | ManxPower: Id mostly like to have access to my desktop/etc from the car, and iax and take my calls while im out and about |
| 00:59.02 | denon | without forwarding to cell I mean |
| 00:59.04 | Connor | I'm doing strictly VoIP and using Cisco's as my gateways. |
| 00:59.09 | ManxPower | denon, VoIP didn't work well for me because of latency ands packet loss |
| 00:59.13 | denon | nod |
| 00:59.16 | denon | figured as much |
| 00:59.20 | Connor | time to eat.. back in a few |
| 00:59.21 | denon | I havent tried it on the local networks .. |
| 00:59.27 | denon | im guessing that'd be the case .. |
| 00:59.37 | ManxPower | denon, But you CAN do CDMA DATA at 144K using just my cell phone and a USB cable |
| 00:59.41 | denon | either way, at $80 per user/mo, I cant see us equipping our mobile folks with it |
| 00:59.49 | denon | without the service? |
| 00:59.49 | ManxPower | Regardless of what the Cell company tells you. |
| 00:59.59 | ManxPower | denon, You need the service of course. |
| 01:00.02 | denon | right :) |
| 01:00.02 | camoa | tzanger is true that kphone can receive the optional URL? |
| 01:00.06 | denon | I dont care about the $500 card |
| 01:00.11 | denon | is the damn recurring |
| 01:00.12 | ManxPower | I'm just saying you don't need to spend $500 on the card |
| 01:00.14 | tzanger | you can get them for CDN$200 on ebay |
| 01:00.21 | tzanger | camoa: no idea |
| 01:00.29 | denon | the recurring is what kills it :\ |
| 01:00.42 | denon | we need low-orbit satellite IP |
| 01:00.47 | ManxPower | denon, I believe Verizon reduced their rates |
| 01:00.55 | denon | verizon sucks here |
| 01:01.01 | denon | there's a local carrier thats *excellent* |
| 01:01.05 | ManxPower | denon, you want me to go thru the trouble of find a good overview of cellular data options? |
| 01:01.15 | ManxPower | I hve it booked marked on one of my machines |
| 01:01.27 | tzanger | the Sierra Wireless 300s are flooding ebay... I wonder what they were supposed to work with |
| 01:01.30 | denon | you mean different carriers? |
| 01:01.42 | denon | I know the carriers in this area.. |
| 01:01.43 | ManxPower | denon, *nod* and prices. |
| 01:01.57 | ManxPower | and options, and real world experience with thruput |
| 01:02.01 | denon | there's really only one carrier that hits the 8-state area, and region really well |
| 01:02.28 | denon | if you have a bookmark .. might be worth glancing at |
| 01:02.29 | denon | if its handy |
| 01:02.36 | denon | dont stress yourself tho |
| 01:02.58 | ManxPower | The problems I had with the service is 1) I can't use voice and data at the same time 2) unreliability and 3) GPFs |
| 01:03.10 | denon | GPFs wasnt their falt :) |
| 01:03.12 | denon | fault |
| 01:03.25 | denon | if I used it, I'd put a PC in my trunk, and do 802.11g |
| 01:03.31 | denon | then use my laptop from that |
| 01:03.37 | denon | maybe a small omni on my roof |
| 01:03.55 | ManxPower | denon, I suspect it was the USB support on my acient dell laptop |
| 01:04.05 | ManxPower | 266Mhz P-II |
| 01:04.06 | denon | 8000? |
| 01:04.07 | denon | oh |
| 01:04.08 | denon | that ancie |
| 01:04.10 | denon | nt |
| 01:04.16 | ManxPower | Inspirion 3200 |
| 01:04.41 | ManxPower | A customer loaned it to me and by the time I left it was so old they didn't want it back. |
| 01:04.44 | denon | why usb? your sierra was usb? |
| 01:04.56 | ManxPower | Their "executives" would never put up with an old machine. |
| 01:04.59 | denon | I wouldnt trust usb 1.1 with anything .. |
| 01:05.17 | ManxPower | denon, I never had PCMCIA card, I always used a USB connection to my Kyocera phone |
| 01:05.30 | denon | ah |
| 01:05.34 | denon | think im gonna pick up an LG 4400 |
| 01:05.40 | denon | or whatever that new LG is thats comin out |
| 01:05.42 | denon | may wait for that |
| 01:06.02 | ManxPower | Hrm...why is my laptop suspending when I wanted it to resume? |
| 01:07.55 | denon | awwww man. |
| 01:07.58 | denon | these DVD-Rs are 1x |
| 01:08.03 | denon | they said 2x on the site |
| 01:08.18 | denon | jeez .. find me a cup of coffee and a good book |
| 01:11.31 | denon | haha .. guess his batt died |
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| 01:12.44 | jorgerai | hello |
| 01:12.52 | jorgerai | to everybody |
| 01:12.57 | atacomm | grrr, multitech is pissing me off |
| 01:13.20 | jorgerai | carlos estas aqui? |
| 01:13.22 | *** join/#asterisk ManxPower (~eric@12-215-185-101.client.mchsi.com) |
| 01:13.40 | jorgerai | carlos |
| 01:13.51 | jorgerai | alguien me puede decir que os es solaris? |
| 01:14.23 | denon | atacomm: so go down the road and tell em |
| 01:14.26 | jorgerai | somebody could said me what os solaris is? |
| 01:14.38 | denon | the predecessor to SunOS |
| 01:14.54 | denon | er, SunOS the Sequel :) |
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| 01:15.27 | tessier | jorgerai: It runs on Sun hardware usually. It's a Unix OS. |
| 01:15.46 | jorgerai | is unix |
| 01:16.07 | roger1 | any idea where to get 723 codec source files for a non-production asterisk system? or this is not possible? |
| 01:16.12 | jorgerai | but tell me something my friend have one sunfire 280r |
| 01:16.14 | tzanger | ~seen citats |
| 01:16.15 | | citats <~james@66.227.253.247.bay.mi.chartermi.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #asterisk, 6d 7h 11m 53s ago, saying: 'zoa: yeah, or auto-negotiation didnt negotiate... it should display some advertised modes'. |
| 01:16.27 | jorgerai | and this hardware have solaris |
| 01:16.46 | jorgerai | you know if in this pc run linux |
| 01:16.47 | jorgerai | ? |
| 01:16.48 | ManxPower | denon, http://www.patents.com/pcs/ |
| 01:17.12 | ManxPower | roger1, Buy it from the ITU and then adapt it for use with Asterisk |
| 01:17.41 | denon | jorgerai: umm .. its a sparc? |
| 01:17.49 | jorgerai | yes |
| 01:17.52 | jorgerai | sparc |
| 01:17.58 | ManxPower | brb |
| 01:18.01 | jorgerai | is very spencif this pc |
| 01:19.44 | roger1 | ok but other folks seem to have got it to work and so did they spend the $$$$$ I want to just try out on a non-prodction system |
| 01:20.17 | roger1 | this is a x86 platform |
| 01:21.44 | ManxPower | roger1, Uh, you'll never get a licensed G723.1 codec for Asterisk unless the patent holders change their policies |
| 01:22.29 | izo | ManPower: why not ? if someone is able to pay 50k$ for licences |
| 01:22.30 | ManxPower | Now, if you are talking about the G729 codec, then spend $20 and buy two licenses from Digium |
| 01:22.42 | ManxPower | izo, I, perhaps, exagerated. |
| 01:22.52 | denon | ManxPower: they're saying here latency is >700ms sometimes |
| 01:22.55 | *** join/#asterisk keith (~keith@24-56-171-126.warpdriveonline.com) |
| 01:22.55 | izo | ManxPower: i think digium is getting better with every day |
| 01:22.56 | denon | not ideal for voice :\ |
| 01:23.15 | izo | ManxPower: maybe in 6 months they will be able to provide g723 |
| 01:23.25 | ManxPower | denon, *nod* My experience with Verizon was a min of 300ms sometimes a lot more. |
| 01:23.32 | roger1 | ManxPower" You are right I cannot get it from Digium but thought I would ask as I have seen several ref. to a getting source code |
| 01:23.47 | ManxPower | izo, I wish them the best of luck, but I don't count my chickens before they are or hatched or some other silly saying. |
| 01:24.00 | izo | ;-) |
| 01:24.01 | denon | ManxPower: 300ms probably wouldnt be so bad, if the bandwidth was there .. |
| 01:24.13 | ManxPower | roger1, *shrug* I can give you the ITU reference implementation. |
| 01:24.25 | ManxPower | denon, most of the time I got about 56k speeds |
| 01:24.37 | ManxPower | I don't remember ever bursting to 144K |
| 01:24.42 | roger1 | could you please give the ITU ref |
| 01:24.46 | denon | ick |
| 01:25.46 | ManxPower | http://www.fnords.org/~eric/asterisk/pirate-codecs/ |
| 01:25.56 | roger1 | Thanks |
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| 01:26.26 | ManxPower | denon, The service was usable for what I used it for. i.e. occasional checking of e-mail, painful SSH, or check a web page. |
| 01:26.39 | ManxPower | But even without the GPFs it was not terribly reliable. |
| 01:27.10 | *** join/#asterisk JerJer (~NunYoBizN@pppoe-66-112-51-206-rb2.grp.centurytel.net) |
| 01:28.01 | *** join/#asterisk PaulO (~PaulO@dsl-119-212.srtnet.com) |
| 01:28.54 | denon | painful ssh? |
| 01:28.58 | denon | why would ssh be bad? |
| 01:29.09 | denon | just the latency on the echo back? |
| 01:29.10 | tim27 | anyone know a good like about adsi script ??? |
| 01:29.51 | tim27 | like=link |
| 01:30.23 | denon | you know, I bet cell carriers will never have a low-latency data implementation - they know the power of voip :\ |
| 01:32.35 | ManxPower | denon, yup. |
| 01:32.54 | *** join/#asterisk angom (~angomg@200.23.248.1) |
| 01:34.41 | angom | hi all, I've been googling thru the user list messages but i don't find any message that talks about where to find the fax app for asterisk, does somebody know where it is ? |
| 01:34.41 | angom | wiki ? |
| 01:36.37 | tclark | opencall.org |
| 01:37.53 | angom | tx |
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| 01:57.06 | quid24 | Argh. Is IAXTEL down again? |
| 01:57.42 | tholo | Looks like the keys are not loaded... |
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| 01:58.43 | quid24 | So you're not able to register either? |
| 01:59.02 | tholo | It is being fixed now... |
| 01:59.05 | quid24 | say okay |
| 01:59.16 | tholo | You play MUD too much. |
| 01:59.21 | tholo | Which MUD do you play? ;-) |
| 01:59.28 | quid24 | was worried, took me forever to get it working and then I changed my confs a bit to try and get FWD working and now nowthing works. |
| 01:59.52 | quid24 | hehe... I played a MUD once maybe 10 years ago... i dunno why I put "say" for. |
| 02:00.31 | tholo | Well, this is a problem at iaxtel -- kram is rebuilding the code now, and will restart it in a couple of minutes. |
| 02:01.14 | quid24 | cool. any idea if there toll free 1-800 gateway will be put back up one of these days? |
| 02:01.46 | tholo | No idea. I used FWD's until I started having a problem with codec negotiation there. SIPPhone seems to still work. :) |
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| 02:02.43 | doughecka | my asterisk box is READ ONLY! |
| 02:02.45 | doughecka | :) |
| 02:02.54 | doughecka | the whole frickin drive is ro :) |
| 02:03.10 | quid24 | SIPPhone is pay though. :) |
| 02:03.33 | quid24 | FBI froze it.. they are on their way... get out the magnets quick! |
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| 02:05.02 | quid24 | Hmm... anybody know why the playtones command doesn't work for me? Is it because I don't have an IAX timing source? |
| 02:05.47 | ManxPower | quid24, I have no idea why you can't get playtones working. are you using USA tones? |
| 02:06.19 | *** join/#asterisk jorgerai (~jorgeraid@hoochie.digium.com) |
| 02:07.12 | quid24 | yeah. I haven't touched anything from the sample configs. Was thinking maybe * needs a timing source for generating the sounds. |
| 02:07.19 | jorgerai | hola |
| 02:07.20 | jorgerai | hello |
| 02:07.33 | quid24 | I'm running * on a P100... no usb, so I can't use ztdummy |
| 02:07.37 | jorgerai | carlos estas aqui? |
| 02:08.22 | jorgerai | somebody speak spanish here? |
| 02:08.30 | quid24 | not i |
| 02:08.37 | jorgerai | jaja I need to know something very tech |
| 02:09.36 | jorgerai | hola |
| 02:10.10 | doughecka | quid24: P!))!!!!! |
| 02:10.22 | doughecka | P100!!!!! :) |
| 02:10.38 | quid24 | it works |
| 02:10.46 | doughecka | bleh |
| 02:10.58 | quid24 | yeah yeah i know |
| 02:11.07 | quid24 | it's just a testbed right now. |
| 02:11.19 | doughecka | get a 150 dollar mobo/cpu, and a 15 buck powersupply |
| 02:11.29 | doughecka | and maybe an ethernet card |
| 02:12.10 | quid24 | hmmm |
| 02:12.37 | doughecka | HUM! |
| 02:12.41 | doughecka | 60hz hum |
| 02:15.23 | tholo | quid -- IAXtel is working again now. |
| 02:17.13 | quid24 | tholo: yeah I noticed the registration messages popping up |
| 02:17.40 | ManxPower | tholo, kram should add some IAX feature that allows one asterisk server to send console messages to another one. |
| 02:18.12 | doughecka | ooh |
| 02:18.12 | doughecka | yea |
| 02:18.18 | ManxPower | If the IAXTel keys are ever stolen they could send out a console message to all connected machines telling everyone about it. |
| 02:18.36 | doughecka | hmm |
| 02:18.37 | doughecka | indeed |
| 02:18.48 | ManxPower | Providers could send messages announcing outages, peers could announce downtime, etc |
| 02:19.49 | ManxPower | me neither. |
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| 02:20.11 | quid24 | anybody interested in testing the latency of my powerful P100 * box with an echo test? |
| 02:20.12 | ManxPower | Of course an attacker could just tell everyone to grab new iaxtel keys and fool users |
| 02:20.36 | jrollyson | you'd need a way to forward these messages via email |
| 02:20.42 | doughecka | hhaha |
| 02:20.52 | jrollyson | a production console is likely to be unattended |
| 02:21.02 | ManxPower | quid24, If you call 700-923-3645 extension 2101 there's a system with an echo test app running on it. dial 11 for a list of things you can play with |
| 02:21.41 | doughecka | most production systems dont use iaxtel |
| 02:21.59 | quid24 | Manx, I've called your box a slew of times. :) I am just telnetted into my P100 now... I just want to see what kind of latency a remote user would get from my machine. |
| 02:22.05 | ManxPower | doughecka, if it wasn't for those services I prolly would not run it either. |
| 02:22.14 | quid24 | if that's your box that is. :) |
| 02:22.17 | doughecka | heheh |
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| 02:22.34 | zoa2 | hi all |
| 02:22.43 | ManxPower | doughecka, I figure I'll just peer with anyone I want to talk with. |
| 02:22.52 | doughecka | heh |
| 02:23.33 | doughecka | idneed |
| 02:24.01 | quid24 | has anybody ever interfaced * and festival into a way of reading back e-mail? |
| 02:24.02 | ManxPower | I should not trust calls from the PSTN and I should not trust calls from IAXTEL, they have the same "rights" on my system, why not use the same context? |
| 02:24.24 | kram | iaxtel has trusted callerid :0 |
| 02:24.27 | doughecka | heh |
| 02:24.35 | kram | that's why we authenticate with RSA |
| 02:24.37 | doughecka | hah |
| 02:24.43 | ManxPower | quid24, See my weather script at http://www.fnords.org/~eric/asterisk/ it pulls text and reads it back to the caller. |
| 02:24.47 | kram | so you can trust our callerid |
| 02:24.54 | kram | manx: where are ou located? |
| 02:25.17 | ManxPower | kram, Hmm? In Waveland, MS |
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| 02:25.58 | quid24 | Manx: Yeah I've played with that on the 923-3645 box... nice script. I actually *like* the sound of Festival TTS... the fact that it sounds robotic. |
| 02:26.23 | kram | greets uranium |
| 02:26.43 | kram | really, that's funny you know we're in huntsville |
| 02:26.47 | kram | (we = digium) |
| 02:27.47 | ManxPower | Yup. |
| 02:27.54 | ManxPower | I was ion Pensacola, FL before |
| 02:27.55 | kram | cool |
| 02:27.58 | kram | oh yah |
| 02:28.03 | kram | i remember now |
| 02:29.12 | Mike | i think the echotraining doesnt work well |
| 02:29.20 | Mike | echocancel=yes |
| 02:29.20 | Mike | echocancelwhenbridged=yes |
| 02:29.20 | Mike | echotraining=yes |
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| 02:30.00 | kram | mike: what kind of connection do you have? |
| 02:30.25 | rjb | good evening. i am looking for an install FAQ to adress problems running "make install". someone point me in the right direction? |
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| 02:37.10 | ManxPower | rjb, does "make" by itself work? |
| 02:37.20 | frank_sbr | does anyone knows how to make a 3 way calling or 2 step transfer? |
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| 02:38.22 | Carp | sbah, I ordered an 800 number over 5 weeks ago from NuFone and it's still not turned up. |
| 02:38.42 | ManxPower | Carp, when was the last time you mentioned it to JerJer |
| 02:38.43 | rjb | ManxPower i get chewed out by gcc for the makefile referencing some /usr/includ/linuxasm/header |
| 02:38.44 | doughecka | I got mine in an hour |
| 02:39.14 | ManxPower | rjb, go into the kernel source directory, do a make menuconfig then just exit and save, then run a make dep |
| 02:39.15 | quid24 | nice, 1-800 #'s working again through IAXTEL |
| 02:39.28 | ManxPower | That should build the required pieces of the linux kernel for asterisk to use. |
| 02:39.45 | Mike | kram: its sip to ZAP |
| 02:39.52 | Mike | kram: 100mbit local lan? |
| 02:40.10 | Mike | from my zip y dial to a land line and i hear echo for about 30 seconds |
| 02:41.10 | rjb | ManxPower sounds grand and now i embarrass myself. Where is the source dir usually? (mandrake) |
| 02:43.35 | rjb | ManxPower sorry for all the questions. I did a slocate on menuconfig and i have no such file/program |
| 02:43.56 | Pj_ | /usr/src/linux |
| 02:44.04 | Pj_ | I recommend you read the kernel howto first |
| 02:44.12 | Pj_ | it's good knowledge :) |
| 02:44.57 | rjb | I'm with you Pj_ but i have 2 9 month old twins. time is quite limited :) happy to have the time to play with sip.. |
| 02:45.31 | quid24 | did anybody ever figure out how to get FWD working behind NAT? |
| 02:46.05 | Pj_ | rjb: well I did answer your question, it's just that if you're asking it, you're probably able to hurt yourself recompiling your kernel |
| 02:47.07 | Carp | ManxPower, I mentioned it to him about 3 days ago |
| 02:47.15 | tholo | Yeah, put in some NAT support patches that are in some bug report on bugs.digium.com... ;-) |
| 02:47.18 | rjb | looks like i have persue another ave regardless as there is no linux dir in /usr/src. I may try rebuilding the box with an older mandrake version. it installed on at the office. |
| 02:47.44 | Pj_ | nope |
| 02:47.49 | tholo | If there's no linux dir, kernel-source didn't get installed... |
| 02:47.53 | Pj_ | it's just that you probably don't have the source installed |
| 02:48.01 | ww | quid24 see mailing list messages from today/yesterday sip behind had works now |
| 02:48.22 | ww | quid24 you need to apply patch from bug #104 pending import into main cvs |
| 02:48.36 | rjb | should i urpmi it, or is it really dangerous territory? |
| 02:48.56 | *** join/#asterisk scud (~scud@12-214-3-72.client.mchsi.com) |
| 02:49.05 | Pj_ | it's not dangerous teritory since it will only install the source |
| 02:49.24 | ww | ftp.kernel.org |
| 02:49.25 | Pj_ | as long as you don't install your newly compiled kernel, you're safe |
| 02:49.48 | ww | ftp ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.4/linux-2.4.22.tar.gz |
| 02:50.22 | ww | !! |
| 02:50.27 | rjb | urpmi finds kernel-source-2.4.21-0.25mdk.i586 |
| 02:50.57 | ww | don't mess around with those vendor modified kludges. safest to stick with mainstream sources |
| 02:51.02 | ww | (imho) |
| 02:51.22 | doughecka | (imaho) |
| 02:51.31 | rjb | i may just hang off and put this whole thing on a play box here at the house. no need to mess up my mail/web server. thanks though guys. |
| 02:51.31 | Pj_ | (idem) |
| 02:51.57 | doughecka | (ymmmmmmv) |
| 02:51.58 | Pj_ | rjb: that's what I meant by "you probably should read the kernel howto before" :) |
| 02:52.11 | rjb | roger that. |
| 02:52.38 | ww | good luck :) i'm off |
| 02:52.45 | rjb | thanks. night. |
| 02:53.01 | doughecka | cya |
| 02:53.05 | doughecka | l8r |
| 02:54.07 | quid24 | ww: where do I grab the patches... just been using CVS up til now |
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| 02:55.44 | quid24 | never mind, found it |
| 02:55.48 | quid24 | thanks ww |
| 02:57.12 | quid24 | well i am outta here for the night, later boys |
| 02:58.34 | Carp | Is it possible to get one line into my office with like 20 phone numbers> |
| 02:58.50 | doughecka | hahahhh |
| 02:58.50 | doughecka | er |
| 02:58.53 | Death_INC | has anybody here manager to get RxFAX to work? (from opencall.org) |
| 02:59.02 | rjb | yippie, i downloaded the kernel source and now the make install works. go figure. |
| 02:59.17 | zigman | rjb you should have used the 2.4.23 sources ;) |
| 02:59.34 | rjb | oh yeah? |
| 02:59.39 | zigman | yeah |
| 03:00.09 | rjb | no like oh yeah? ya wanna fight? . more like care to elaborate on why? what may be broken? |
| 03:00.28 | Death_INC | lol |
| 03:00.36 | zigman | it has never drivers and x modules |
| 03:00.48 | zigman | you can use the kernel DRM drivers for example |
| 03:01.00 | zigman | no need to use the XFree drivers |
| 03:01.10 | Pj_ | rjb: if you type uname -a, what output does it give ? |
| 03:01.12 | zigman | read the cangelog if it effects you |
| 03:01.35 | rjb | Linux psychomonkey 2.4.21-0.13mdk #1 Fri Mar 14 15:08:06 EST 2003 i686 unknown unknown GNU/Linux |
| 03:01.35 | zigman | if you don't care .. you can use the 2.4.22 as well |
| 03:01.50 | zigman | amd cpu ? |
| 03:01.55 | Pj_ | you should download the source from your kernel |
| 03:02.04 | rjb | intel |
| 03:02.06 | Pj_ | if you don't plan on recompiling a new one |
| 03:02.16 | Pj_ | (I mean, the same version as your running kernel) |
| 03:02.28 | Pj_ | otherwise there's a good chance you will get unresolved symbols |
| 03:02.32 | rjb | i am trying to avoid a recompile as it seems obvious i'm a hack. |
| 03:03.08 | zigman | rjb, in that case you should prolly get the kernel source from mandrake not from kernel.org |
| 03:03.53 | Pj_ | yup |
| 03:04.05 | Pj_ | the exact 2.14.31-0.13mdk kernel |
| 03:04.29 | Pj_ | not the 0.25 shown by your uprmi |
| 03:05.01 | Pj_ | well I don't know what's the exact difference, and maybe this one would work (I don't know enough about mdk) |
| 03:06.44 | bkw_ | lalalallalaskdjfowiejwoie |
| 03:06.59 | doughecka | that WAS a spider |
| 03:07.06 | rjb | i am good until i get to the crypto.c in the asterisk make |
| 03:07.52 | Pj_ | rjb: my good advice is : don't recompile the kernel and install it |
| 03:08.07 | Pj_ | making install in asterisk is at most going to screw your asterisk |
| 03:08.09 | rjb | lol PJ. have no intent on recompiling the kernel |
| 03:08.36 | Pj_ | then putting blinders on and doing make installs is not ignoring good advices :) |
| 03:08.49 | rjb | i am an honest man. i can honestly say i can barely run vi so i am not messing with my buddy the kernel |
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| 03:09.08 | carajito | hi, |
| 03:09.34 | rjb | so heres the deal. i have openssl installed but asterisk says : res_crypto.c:25:25: openssl/ssl.h: No such file or directory |
| 03:09.45 | Pj_ | openssl-dev too ? |
| 03:09.47 | carajito | does anyone has a sip server I can hook up to make some test calls within the USA?? |
| 03:09.50 | Pj_ | or soemthing like that ? ;) |
| 03:09.53 | daork | or openssl-devel |
| 03:09.58 | bkw_ | Pj_ yes you need -dev |
| 03:10.01 | rjb | lemme see |
| 03:18.32 | bkw_ | lalalal |
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| 03:18.37 | *** part/#asterisk angom (~angomg@200.23.248.1) |
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| 03:21.11 | bkw_ | shit guess I need to patch app_directory for unixodbc goodness also |
| 03:22.04 | rjb | ok, so it took a BIG crowbar. but i was rewarded with Asterisk Ready. *CLI> |
| 03:22.09 | rjb | thanks guys! |
| 03:34.54 | *** join/#asterisk macTijn (martijn@erica.net.insecure.nl) |
| 03:35.51 | bkw_ | you don't need to emerge from nothing |
| 03:36.03 | Pj_ | yup |
| 03:36.04 | bkw_ | wait isn't that what gentoo does.. muhahahah |
| 03:36.08 | Pj_ | emerge from the portage tree |
| 03:36.24 | Pj_ | (we should get out more often :/ ) |
| 03:36.29 | bkw_ | yep |
| 03:36.34 | bkw_ | i'm too much of a geek |
| 03:36.38 | Pj_ | Yeah ? |
| 03:36.42 | Pj_ | What about this one |
| 03:36.52 | Pj_ | Two gays are preparing for a hot night of sex |
| 03:37.07 | bkw_ | where? |
| 03:37.08 | Pj_ | and the first one turns to the second one, asking with a wicked smile : |
| 03:37.19 | Pj_ | "You wanna play master or slave tonight ?" |
| 03:37.26 | Pj_ | "No, tonight, it's cable select" |
| 03:37.32 | kram | lol @ pj |
| 03:37.33 | bkw_ | HAHAHAHAHAHHAHA |
| 03:37.35 | bkw_ | thats funny |
| 03:38.13 | Pj_ | (I made that one, but it's hard to find a public for it) |
| 03:38.23 | bkw_ | haha |
| 03:38.50 | zoa2 | they could name it masters and servants ! |
| 03:39.55 | bkw_ | pitcher / catcher |
| 03:39.59 | bkw_ | top / bottom |
| 03:40.18 | zoa2 | :) |
| 03:40.53 | zoa2 | GIVER / TAKER :) |
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| 03:41.13 | Pj_ | Do you want to be the big spoon, or the little spoon ? |
| 03:41.22 | bkw_ | haha |
| 03:41.24 | bkw_ | no comment |
| 03:41.53 | zoa2 | if i ever meet bkw_ in person |
| 03:41.56 | kram | lol |
| 03:41.58 | zoa2 | it will be run zoa, RUN! |
| 03:42.42 | bkw_ | why? |
| 03:42.44 | bkw_ | what did I do? |
| 03:42.55 | bkw_ | I'm a little bit diffrent in person |
| 03:43.01 | bkw_ | but not much |
| 03:43.42 | bkw_ | what else needs to be unixODBC aware? app_directory |
| 03:43.44 | bkw_ | what else |
| 03:43.48 | bkw_ | app_authenticate |
| 03:43.51 | bkw_ | app_meetme |
| 03:44.05 | Pj_ | beer |
| 03:44.10 | *** join/#asterisk maratonc (mimx@w201.ljudmila.org) |
| 03:44.17 | bkw_ | lets see |
| 03:44.19 | Pj_ | beer absolutely needs to be unixODBC aware |
| 03:44.29 | bkw_ | app_blacklist |
| 03:45.14 | bkw_ | guess app_sql_unixodbc.c |
| 03:46.20 | Pj_ | hmmm, I may look like a dumbass |
| 03:46.34 | Pj_ | but what is unixODBC ? an unified database api ? |
| 03:46.38 | bkw_ | wonder if we can put all these callerid apps and routines into app_callerid |
| 03:46.43 | bkw_ | that would be nice |
| 03:47.38 | kram | pj: you're in paris? |
| 03:48.05 | zoa2 | there should be a european meeting in paris next month :) |
| 03:48.38 | Pj_ | Yup |
| 03:48.45 | Pj_ | woohoo |
| 03:48.54 | Pj_ | I'll show you the good bars ;) |
| 03:49.00 | zoa2 | you live in paris pj ? |
| 03:49.06 | Pj_ | yup |
| 03:49.18 | zoa2 | cool |
| 03:49.24 | zoa2 | thats like one hour away from me :) |
| 03:49.30 | bkw_ | OH NO |
| 03:49.34 | Pj_ | where d'you live ? |
| 03:49.35 | bkw_ | paris |
| 03:49.36 | bkw_ | I wish |
| 03:49.48 | zoa2 | atm i'm close to brussels |
| 03:49.54 | Pj_ | "atm" :) |
| 03:49.54 | bkw_ | but I guess I will need to know someone there |
| 03:50.17 | zoa2 | if you take your pills, maybe pj will guide you :) |
| 03:50.18 | kram | i'll be in paris next month :) |
| 03:50.22 | Pj_ | bkw_: are you trying to tell us something ? ;) |
| 03:50.26 | zoa2 | yeah |
| 03:50.27 | bkw_ | haha |
| 03:50.37 | bkw_ | we can have an * conf in paris |
| 03:50.44 | zoa2 | or in brussels :) |
| 03:51.20 | kram | hehe |
| 03:51.24 | kram | i like the idea of paris |
| 03:51.27 | kram | it'll be handy for me :) |
| 03:51.43 | zoa2 | yeah, in 2 months it will be in paris :-p |
| 03:51.58 | kram | well i'll be in paris in one month :) |
| 03:52.02 | zoa2 | damn :) |
| 03:52.06 | bkw_ | you can go back |
| 03:52.07 | zoa2 | hey look what i found ! |
| 03:52.08 | kram | i'll get pj to show me around the parts i don't know already |
| 03:52.12 | bkw_ | haha I can't leave the country till Jan 2005 |
| 03:52.13 | zoa2 | some baileys !!! |
| 03:52.24 | zoa2 | you are on parool again ? :) |
| 03:52.30 | bkw_ | probation.. |
| 03:52.33 | bkw_ | paroll is diffrent |
| 03:52.34 | Pj_ | hmm baileys... |
| 03:52.41 | bkw_ | I wouldn't last |
| 03:52.42 | zoa2 | ah |
| 03:52.51 | zoa2 | no no, the others wouldnt last |
| 03:52.57 | zoa2 | you'd have a great time in the shower :) |
| 03:53.23 | kram | lol |
| 03:53.48 | bkw_ | be nice to me |
| 03:53.50 | bkw_ | haha |
| 03:54.07 | zoa2 | hmmz |
| 03:54.23 | zoa2 | 5 am, i'd might just skip sleep |
| 03:55.25 | kram | not again, zoa |
| 03:55.34 | tessier | bkw_: On probation? What for? |
| 03:55.39 | kram | i should e-mail the list and try to get a paryt together in paris :) |
| 03:55.40 | kram | that'd be fun |
| 03:55.45 | zoa2 | for some probing :) |
| 03:55.50 | tessier | How do you get probation without having been arrested? |
| 03:55.55 | zoa2 | kram: i'd try to come if i'm in belgium |
| 03:55.57 | bkw_ | tessier don't ask |
| 03:56.15 | zoa2 | although i didnt see a lot of europeans on #asterisk so fart |
| 03:56.17 | zoa2 | -t |
| 03:56.23 | bkw_ | tessier just search google for me.. it won't take long.. their are like a bazzillion links about me |
| 03:56.33 | atacomm | hey Kram, how are those FXO modules coming along? |
| 03:56.37 | bkw_ | SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH |
| 03:56.49 | tessier | bkw_: er...by your irc nick? |
| 03:56.54 | zoa2 | *brian* kuch *west* kuch :) |
| 03:57.00 | bkw_ | kuch no |
| 03:57.05 | bkw_ | Keith boi... |
| 03:57.12 | bkw_ | I was named after that actor Brian Keith |
| 03:57.17 | bkw_ | but that actor killed himself |
| 03:57.22 | bkw_ | so blah |
| 03:57.34 | tessier | Employee of Oklahoma ISP? |
| 03:57.38 | tessier | Former, rather. |
| 03:57.39 | bkw_ | yes that be me |
| 03:57.43 | bkw_ | tessier no I still work there |
| 03:58.04 | bkw_ | I even got a raise last month |
| 03:58.10 | zoa2 | http://seclists.org/lists/politech/2003/Jan/0106.html |
| 03:58.11 | atacomm | thats cool |
| 03:58.43 | zoa2 | omg |
| 03:58.46 | zoa2 | that sux brian ! |
| 03:59.00 | bkw_ | zoa2 its far from the truth too |
| 03:59.14 | bkw_ | I couldn't have fought them and won... in oklahoma thats for sure |
| 03:59.32 | tessier | Then why didn't you? |
| 03:59.40 | tessier | And why didn't they arrest and book you? |
| 03:59.45 | bkw_ | my attorney wouldn't let them |
| 03:59.48 | tessier | I don't see how you can get probation and not be arrested. |
| 03:59.59 | bkw_ | I had a kick ass attorney |
| 04:00.06 | bkw_ | she wouldn't let them arrest me |
| 04:00.07 | bkw_ | or hold me |
| 04:00.20 | tessier | Usually they show up and slap the cuffs on the suspect when the attorney isn't there. Then you see him in jail. |
| 04:00.36 | bkw_ | see I sicked the attorney on them when I got the target letter |
| 04:00.47 | bkw_ | before they had the chance |
| 04:00.56 | atacomm | what was that for? |
| 04:00.59 | tessier | Target letter? |
| 04:01.14 | bkw_ | see the DOJ will send you a target letter before the grand jury is held |
| 04:01.21 | bkw_ | giving you the chance to show up |
| 04:01.24 | bkw_ | oh |
| 04:01.27 | bkw_ | NEVER show up at those either |
| 04:01.40 | bkw_ | once you get the target letter you sick the attorney on them |
| 04:01.43 | Pj_ | well I'm off to bed, g'night everytone |
| 04:01.49 | kram | night pj |
| 04:01.52 | bkw_ | night |
| 04:01.58 | bkw_ | anyway it was all pure bullshit |
| 04:02.19 | bkw_ | anyway its all about karma |
| 04:02.25 | bkw_ | they will get theirs in the end |
| 04:02.29 | bkw_ | and I have no debt |
| 04:02.35 | bkw_ | I was like 45k in debt after that |
| 04:02.42 | bkw_ | ran up every credit card I had to pay attorney's |
| 04:03.04 | bkw_ | atacomm you don't need one |
| 04:03.09 | bkw_ | what does atcom.com do? |
| 04:03.21 | kram | night all |
| 04:03.26 | bkw_ | oh sure |
| 04:03.32 | bkw_ | get me all bothered about ODBC and run off to bed |
| 04:03.34 | bkw_ | I see how you are |
| 04:03.48 | bkw_ | haha |
| 04:03.49 | bkw_ | j/k |
| 04:04.03 | atacomm | bkw: atcomm? (Their trademark being @Comm). They write call accounting software and provide call accounting hardware for pbx's |
| 04:04.17 | bkw_ | ok then they have no case |
| 04:04.19 | bkw_ | tell them to fuck off |
| 04:04.24 | bkw_ | you sell PBX hardware |
| 04:05.11 | atacomm | bkw: i did, the CEO was being very demanding, trying to get me to admit fault and giveup the name on the phone....i told him to fuck off and my attorney would contact him.....but its still giving me ulcers, lol |
| 04:05.46 | bkw_ | atacomm don't worry |
| 04:05.48 | atacomm | seeing they have a revenue of about 20 mil per year, and me about 500k....... if they sue i have to show up in california for it otherwise it defaults to a judgement for them..... |
| 04:06.04 | bkw_ | thats not right |
| 04:06.07 | bkw_ | i'm sorry |
| 04:06.09 | bkw_ | its just not |
| 04:06.21 | bkw_ | sorry their trademark is @com |
| 04:06.23 | bkw_ | not atcom |
| 04:06.25 | bkw_ | their domain is |
| 04:06.53 | atacomm | although in their tax filings and D&B filings, they are AT COMM CORP...... but still, not the same, and they dont legally have that as a trademark |
| 04:07.06 | bkw_ | exactly |
| 04:07.10 | bkw_ | so fuck them |
| 04:07.16 | bkw_ | want me to tell them to fuck off? |
| 04:07.25 | Connor | atacomm, I told you lastnight, let THEM make the first move!! Why did you go and call the CEO ? |
| 04:07.35 | bkw_ | ya really |
| 04:07.48 | atacomm | Connor: I didnt, i looked the name back up in my notes at work today, it was the CEO who called me |
| 04:07.58 | Connor | Oh. OKay. |
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| 04:08.20 | Connor | Good, If it's the CEO doing the contacting, then they aint got shit. |
| 04:08.31 | bkw_ | yep |
| 04:08.33 | bkw_ | just blow it off |
| 04:08.44 | bkw_ | if that don't work send the CEO a bag of dog shit |
| 04:08.48 | Connor | Most CEO's won't wast their time, just sick their high priced lawyers on you. |
| 04:09.15 | atacomm | Connor: well he did tell me to expect a letter in the mail from their attorneys after i told him to get lost |
| 04:09.25 | Connor | that's what they pay them for.. This guy is probably running a mom & pop software dev and is trying to cover his a$$ in a very bad way. |
| 04:09.53 | atacomm | Connor: they are publically held....they have revenue of around $20 mil /yr......i checked their financial statements today |
| 04:10.21 | Connor | Something way off then. |
| 04:10.35 | atacomm | way off? |
| 04:10.41 | bkw_ | hrm |
| 04:11.13 | bkw_ | zoa2 you evil person you |
| 04:11.15 | Connor | CEO's don't bother with it.. they almost ALWAYS have thier lawyer do the initial contacting.. |
| 04:11.40 | atacomm | of course, no one i have asked has heard of them....and they dont sell direct, they are a mfg..... of course, i dont want to agree not to mfg in the future, because i have projects in the works, both software and hardware |
| 04:11.57 | bkw_ | exactly |
| 04:12.04 | zoa2 | mfg ? |
| 04:12.09 | bkw_ | manufacture |
| 04:12.29 | Connor | Tell'm to blow chunks.. Name isn't even close enough to worry with. |
| 04:13.01 | zoa2 | i have the impression that in US its all up to the lawyers :( |
| 04:13.17 | zoa2 | if you have enough money you win |
| 04:13.25 | atacomm | lol, i hope so.........i've used atacomm for hosting, email, ecommerce, voip service, voip equipment, and soon to add a/v cabling (just registered atacommav.com the other day) |
| 04:13.31 | mishehu | when lawyers battle, nobody wins but the lawyers. |
| 04:13.32 | Connor | Dude contacted my wife over our webdesign company.. Inner Vision Development .. Dude sent a nasty email, he was from InnerVisions Internet |
| 04:14.15 | Connor | I belive the other thing is, they have to have a nationally registered TM or SM on the name.. |
| 04:14.16 | mishehu | atacomm: Victoria's Secret lost a suit against a small mom & pop lingerie store that was named "Victor's Secret". the owner's name was Victor... |
| 04:14.40 | bkw_ | yep |
| 04:14.43 | mishehu | so it could go eithier way. |
| 04:14.51 | bkw_ | I have heard that one before |
| 04:14.54 | atacomm | mishehu: yeah, but my personal name isn't Atacomm ..... and i was looking at the MS/Lindows suit....but Atcomm / Atacomm isnt generic.... |
| 04:15.18 | atacomm | although my corporate name is Ataractic Corporation.......which is where the Ata in Atacomm comes from |
| 04:15.19 | zoa2 | register atacomm ! |
| 04:15.21 | bkw_ | ATA comm is totally diffrent than @com |
| 04:15.26 | Connor | You already said they registered @comm which isn't the same as Atcomm or Atacomm |
| 04:15.28 | bkw_ | their name IS @com |
| 04:15.31 | bkw_ | not atcom |
| 04:15.38 | bkw_ | they have the trademark on @com |
| 04:15.39 | bkw_ | not atcom |
| 04:15.40 | atacomm | zoa2: i filed for a trademark 2 days ago, lol, after he called |
| 04:15.58 | zoa2 | is that expensive ? |
| 04:16.05 | bkw_ | atacomm good lord boi |
| 04:16.15 | mishehu | atacomm: then it's frivilous as long as you mark somewhere on say the web page the full name of the company... |
| 04:16.49 | atacomm | mishehu: I put the mark back up today....didnt have a copyright notice for some time because we frequently change things and things get dropped or misplaced :) |
| 04:16.52 | Connor | btw, they can't sue for atacomm.com either unless they have atacomm.com TM or SM'ed |
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| 04:17.01 | bkw_ | refer to OpenSSH vs. ssh |
| 04:17.08 | bkw_ | case closed |
| 04:17.20 | zoa2 | or lindows vs windows |
| 04:17.29 | bkw_ | exactly |
| 04:17.33 | bkw_ | case closed |
| 04:17.43 | atacomm | zoa2: lindows doesnt apply....judge had ruled windows was generic, and thus not trademarkable |
| 04:17.45 | bkw_ | plus you could walk away with CASH if they try to fuck you |
| 04:17.49 | zoa2 | true |
| 04:17.52 | bkw_ | yep |
| 04:17.54 | mishehu | it's considered "blustering, threatening, and bullying" to do what they are doing. I seriously doubt they have any legal ground to stand on. |
| 04:17.59 | bkw_ | SO I could write BKW Windows and release it |
| 04:18.05 | zoa2 | yes bkw |
| 04:18.05 | sizzzung | woot. |
| 04:18.12 | Connor | What this comes down too is, the DAMN CEO didn't even talk to his lawyer yet, and when he does, his lawyer is gonna tell him he doesn't have a case. |
| 04:18.29 | bkw_ | Connor tell that to SCO while your at it |
| 04:18.38 | bkw_ | that never stopped stupid people from trying |
| 04:18.41 | atacomm | bkw: true, i'm consering countersuing....infact, if i move first, i can get a judge to say its legal, and force it in a local venue |
| 04:18.57 | tessier | The windows/lindows case is far from being closed though... |
| 04:19.02 | atacomm | Connor: lawyers will try anything, the more they win, the more money they make |
| 04:19.05 | bkw_ | atacomm yes you sure can |
| 04:19.06 | tessier | Windows is not yet generic. |
| 04:19.23 | mishehu | atacomm: the best they could do is insinuate that you are trying to deceive their clients by calling yourself a "similar" name to "@comm"... but I think you cover your ass if you just have "atacomm - The Antarctic Corporation"... |
| 04:19.28 | Connor | we'll time for bed, Wife is watching Monk on USA |
| 04:19.30 | zoa2 | oké, for the 15th time tonight, nite nite |
| 04:19.44 | atacomm | Monk is awsome |
| 04:19.49 | atacomm | new episodes in January |
| 04:19.52 | mishehu | atacomm: how did @comm contact you? |
| 04:19.53 | Connor | laters |
| 04:20.25 | atacomm | mishehu: CEO called me on the phone |
| 04:21.03 | atacomm | i almost feel like writing call accounting software just in spite....lol, give it away |
| 04:21.52 | mishehu | atacomm: sounds very professional to me. |
| 04:22.10 | mishehu | atacomm: if you don't get anything legal in writing, I personally would ignore it. |
| 04:22.59 | atacomm | mishehu: true, of course, as I grow, the stakes become larger.....i'd rather it settled than for them to do absolutely nothing..... otherwise i could get sued later......but at the same time, i am not looking forward to a confrontation |
| 04:23.43 | atacomm | bkw: actually, to what you said, you can register the trademark BKW Windows...., just not Windows........ so Microsoft Windows is an actual trademark |
| 04:24.36 | mishehu | atacomm: you might not be able to hide from such confrontation unless you take on a name that is 100% unique... which given the population of the planet, those odds are rather quite slim. |
| 04:25.23 | atacomm | mishehu: agreed. i already know there is a www.atacom.com who sells PC hardware...lol, i sometimes get their customer's calls....... |
| 04:26.29 | mishehu | if you don't know who Uzi Nissan is, see www.nissan.com... |
| 04:27.09 | mishehu | atacomm: so I wouldn't worry about it... there's nothing to do unless you actually get something in writing. |
| 04:27.20 | atacomm | i've often wondered why Honda and that other H auto mfg dont fight over their names.....very close, especially using an H for the logo |
| 04:27.45 | mishehu | they might have at some point in time... |
| 04:27.47 | mishehu | donno. |
| 04:28.03 | mishehu | but one is korean and one is japanese... |
| 04:28.04 | Pj_ | hyunday is quite different |
| 04:28.13 | Pj_ | from honda |
| 04:28.21 | Pj_ | (if you're reffering to this one) |
| 04:28.56 | atacomm | pj: but their logos are very similar |
| 04:28.58 | mishehu | the logos on the back of the cars aren't very different though |
| 04:29.16 | mishehu | it's as if they're teh same logo, but one is in an italic font |
| 04:29.39 | Pj_ | maybe they're just sensitive people, and they don't care |
| 04:29.49 | Pj_ | ok ok, there must be another reason :) |
| 04:29.57 | atacomm | lol |
| 04:30.07 | mishehu | atacomm: a friend of mine has muppetcrotch.com, and he claims to have received threatening emails from Henson Studios... |
| 04:30.22 | atacomm | lol |
| 04:30.48 | tessier | A friend of mine had nasa.com |
| 04:31.02 | tessier | And got such emails from NASA. He told them they could have it for a mere million dollars. |
| 04:31.05 | tessier | They weren't interested. |
| 04:31.09 | tessier | It was a porn site for a while. |
| 04:32.11 | atacomm | heh |
| 04:32.29 | mishehu | well, Uzi Nissan fell into that trouble when, after being nagged non-stop by Nissan auto company for the domain, he finally said "ok, ok, how much do you want to offer for it?" and then Nissan auto co.'s lawyers yelled "ahah! see! he's a sqwatter!" |
| 04:32.58 | atacomm | well, i should probably search for a second name and get it just in case, its hard to think of a name for voip stuff.......infact, i've been wanting to name my ipcentrex service something, but cant think of what |
| 04:33.50 | mishehu | I know! name yourself NudeFone.net... |
| 04:34.09 | mishehu | (but then you'd get sued by our own channel members) |
| 04:34.11 | tessier | watchtessierworknekkid.com |
| 04:35.25 | atacomm | lol |
| 04:35.33 | atacomm | well, i did want to invent strippers on hold |
| 04:35.54 | mishehu | I hope that tessier is a hawt chick for that domain to work |
| 04:36.21 | atacomm | could always advertise as the elephantdrop company..... our service is so good you can hear when an elephant is dropped :P |
| 04:36.41 | doughecka | haa |
| 04:39.19 | mishehu | and you'd have to show off one of your network nodes in the commercials... with the hamsters in the wheels powering everything... |
| 04:39.56 | atacomm | lol, well, hey, atleast that is about the truth :P |
| 04:40.09 | *** join/#asterisk Shido6_ (~shido@d57-81-103.home.cgocable.net) |
| 04:40.23 | atacomm | Shido will be my lawyer |
| 04:41.50 | mishehu | Shido6_ isn't an asshole, he can't be a lawyer. |
| 04:41.51 | mishehu | heh |
| 04:42.25 | atacomm | lol, sure tries to con me a lot though |
| 04:42.49 | atacomm | ask for assistance on something, and get messaged with an entire sales pitch :) |
| 04:43.01 | Shido6_ | HEY |
| 04:43.12 | Shido6_ | mishehu hows that line of communication working out for you? |
| 04:43.29 | atacomm | speaking of which, i want to beat Multitech to a bloody pulp.... I couldnt get their gateway to connect right to my * server today..... |
| 04:43.48 | atacomm | spent a few hours on it, trying to get my fax to go out over my voip network |
| 04:44.06 | Shido6_ | atacomm - I do what I have to to eat its not a job not a career its how I put bread on the table, without asterisk I would starve... ( at least for a few hrs ) |
| 04:44.38 | mishehu | Shido6_: it was a bitch to get it with the SIP firmware, but I LOOOOOVE that phone! |
| 04:44.46 | Shido6_ | heheh |
| 04:44.49 | mishehu | hell, I almost dumped my fiance for the phone |
| 04:44.52 | Shido6_ | we have a ton where that came from |
| 04:44.53 | bkw_ | blah tinnay |
| 04:44.55 | bkw_ | hah |
| 04:44.57 | bkw_ | blah timmah! |
| 04:45.23 | atacomm | Shido: lol, i know where you are coming from..... i've got a guy threatening to sue me over my company's name, so its got me panicing a bit....since i am now well known, spent a ton advertising it, finally starting to make some money, argggg |
| 04:45.40 | mishehu | Shido6_: I had to update the skinny client, which one of the guys here helped me with, then I got the SIP firmware on it, and I got * working with sip, and it works better than a regular POT. |
| 04:45.53 | Shido6_ | atacomm - the most determined will survive - :) |
| 04:46.04 | bkw_ | or the one with the bigger gun |
| 04:46.12 | atacomm | hehe.....well, i was thinking about packing some heat |
| 04:46.13 | mishehu | bkw_: *and* the better aim. ;-) |
| 04:46.18 | *** join/#asterisk kk (~kk@hoochie.digium.com) |
| 04:46.28 | Shido6_ | well |
| 04:46.40 | Shido6_ | I keep an HK at the house at all times |
| 04:46.53 | atacomm | actually, he's an old man, all i have to do is scare him and he should keel over |
| 04:46.56 | Shido6_ | dual xeons galore - my HK IS my insurance |
| 04:47.28 | bkw_ | BOO! |
| 04:47.33 | bkw_ | POLP! |
| 04:47.38 | Shido6_ | hehe |
| 04:47.41 | bkw_ | THUD! |
| 04:47.44 | atacomm | anyone here ever work with the Multitech MultiVoip's before? |
| 04:47.47 | kk | anyone can help me for asterisk h323 configuration for extension and h323 |
| 04:48.08 | bkw_ | exten => 1234,Dial(H323/exten@ipaddress) |
| 04:48.54 | kk | thanks what i have to give in h323.conf |
| 04:49.19 | mishehu | Shido6_: hk as in the firearm I gather? |
| 04:49.58 | bkw_ | no |
| 04:50.00 | bkw_ | extensions.conf you boob |
| 04:50.03 | *** join/#asterisk T` (~total@RAMY8.RES.cmu.edu) |
| 04:50.34 | bkw_ | I need better headphones |
| 04:50.41 | atacomm | well, off to play some project gothem racing and unreal |
| 04:50.45 | bkw_ | kk don't msg me |
| 04:50.53 | Shido6_ | yesh, Heckler and Koch is a firearm co. :) |
| 04:50.54 | bkw_ | unless your willing to pay $60.00/hr USD |
| 04:51.07 | bkw_ | keep it public |
| 04:51.20 | mishehu | Shido6_: well, never used one of them... have used galil, uzi, and m16a1 |
| 04:51.29 | mishehu | keep is pubic? |
| 04:51.34 | mishehu | s/is/it |
| 04:52.04 | Shido6_ | I became addicted after I saw my first socom with MGS |
| 04:52.35 | mishehu | hmm... kernel 2.4.23 released... I wonder if I can get my fricking dvd+rw to work with it... |
| 04:53.07 | Shido6_ | hehe - I havent burned anythign with the dvd+/- drive |
| 04:53.15 | Shido6_ | waiting on the gamecube app to be released so I can burn a few |
| 04:53.23 | bkw_ | muhahahhahahahahh |
| 04:53.57 | wasim | i have a public gun too |
| 04:54.23 | bkw_ | app_directory is about to be my bitch |
| 04:54.26 | wasim | no, that didn't come out right... no "l" in that |
| 04:54.55 | mishehu | I have a gun owners card, but it just seems like too much damn responsibility to own one... sneeze the wrong way, and if the cop doesn't like you, you go to a pound-me-in-the-ass prison... |
| 04:55.20 | Shido6_ | unloaded in the glove compartment clip in the trunk when carrying from hous eto house |
| 04:56.01 | bkw_ | ok where was I |
| 04:56.05 | mishehu | Shido6_: I just picked up a 4x2.4x12 dvd+rw a week ago, and I got it to sort of work... sort of means I was able to format a dvd+rw disc with udf... but it wouldn't believe me that it was larger than a cd disc... |
| 04:56.14 | wasim | in pk, its ok to have a concealed weapon, you can't display it |
| 04:56.24 | wasim | go figure |
| 04:56.51 | bkw_ | asterisk src # patch -p0 < /var/www/localhost/htdocs/patches/app_voicemail_unixodbc_all.diff |
| 04:56.52 | bkw_ | patching file asterisk/apps/Makefile |
| 04:56.52 | bkw_ | patching file asterisk/apps/app_voicemail.c |
| 04:56.52 | bkw_ | patching file asterisk/apps/unixodbc-vm-routines.h |
| 04:56.57 | bkw_ | muhahahhahahahahahahahhhahahahahahahahhahahahah |
| 04:57.23 | jrollyson | bkw_: heh, get those queue patches into CVS :) |
| 04:57.28 | bkw_ | mishehu i'm evil... pure fucking evil... |
| 04:57.30 | wasim | mishehu: unixodbc-vm-routines.h i'm sure |
| 04:57.47 | bkw_ | yes i'm fucking evil.. I have wrote something that can make * talk to MSSQL |
| 04:58.05 | wasim | bad bot, bad |
| 04:58.09 | bkw_ | hahah |
| 04:58.11 | bkw_ | but its good |
| 04:58.17 | bkw_ | kram said we might standardize on it |
| 04:58.26 | bkw_ | because then it won't matter what DB people have |
| 04:58.31 | bkw_ | it should just work |
| 04:58.42 | jrollyson | hmm.. does unixodbc have a flatfile driver? |
| 04:58.46 | bkw_ | yes |
| 04:59.06 | bkw_ | then a report of MSSQL |
| 04:59.09 | bkw_ | then PGSQL then DB2 |
| 04:59.11 | bkw_ | all work |
| 04:59.15 | bkw_ | so far so good |
| 04:59.18 | jrollyson | so you could theroretically eliminate cdr_csv entirely. |
| 04:59.22 | bkw_ | yes |
| 04:59.26 | jrollyson | NICE ;) |
| 04:59.34 | bkw_ | but the text driver is | delimited |
| 05:00.03 | wasim | isn't it an overkill to write to a file using odbc though? |
| 05:00.11 | bkw_ | not really... |
| 05:00.21 | mishehu | why not just write it to a db and forget about the flatfile? |
| 05:00.30 | bkw_ | odbc allows both |
| 05:00.32 | jrollyson | wasim: eliminates need for specialized code for it. |
| 05:00.45 | bkw_ | jrollyson exactly |
| 05:00.56 | bkw_ | cdr_unixodbc is ready for CVS almost |
| 05:01.05 | bkw_ | I just wanna hear the magic words.. "IT WORKS WITH ORACLE!" |
| 05:01.43 | tclark | http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/tapi/tspi/tapi_service_providers.asp |
| 05:02.00 | bkw_ | OH I might do tapi next |
| 05:02.02 | jrollyson | bkw_: when it gets into CVS, I guess its going to be playtime for me... trying to get loose ends tied up for my * install. |
| 05:02.14 | bkw_ | its a standalone build process right now |
| 05:02.18 | bkw_ | has its own makefile and such |
| 05:02.41 | bkw_ | anyone have a unixTAPI stack? |
| 05:02.44 | bkw_ | something I can pick apart? |
| 05:03.00 | bkw_ | tapi will allow some neat things |
| 05:03.05 | tclark | coooooooool |
| 05:03.13 | bkw_ | we can shuttle a customer record along with the call or something can't we? |
| 05:03.21 | jrollyson | bkw_: like outhouse integration... |
| 05:03.24 | tclark | i have been reading here for lat fews hrs, lost of stuff |
| 05:03.33 | mishehu | outhouse integration? that must be rather smelly |
| 05:03.36 | jrollyson | I mean, outlook. |
| 05:03.37 | bkw_ | haha |
| 05:03.41 | bkw_ | jrollyson evil but yes |
| 05:03.54 | mishehu | but really, outlook... outhouse... whats the difference? |
| 05:03.54 | bkw_ | granted i'm very new to C but I do pretty good |
| 05:04.00 | tclark | I think we can make * look like a service provider that sits under the MS com interface to TAPI |
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| 05:04.22 | jrollyson | I'd like to see more work on frontend stuff. |
| 05:04.45 | jrollyson | bkw_: next step, all *.conf in odbc |
| 05:04.48 | jrollyson | ;) |
| 05:04.52 | wasim | bkw_: theres a jtapi |
| 05:04.53 | Death_INC | odbc? ick |
| 05:04.58 | bkw_ | odbc is good |
| 05:05.02 | bkw_ | Death_INC whats wrong with it? |
| 05:05.18 | tclark | that urls has the defined public c funcs we must expose in a dll, the all TAPI ware apps will see * as the back end TAPI svr |
| 05:05.19 | bkw_ | so far I can't tell any diff |
| 05:05.29 | Death_INC | I'd prefer a flat file thats all |
| 05:05.41 | Death_INC | course, the more options for storing the config the better right ;) |
| 05:05.43 | bkw_ | for configs yes.. but for cdr and voicemail configs |
| 05:05.58 | bkw_ | app_directory gets bitch smacked next |
| 05:05.58 | jrollyson | Death_INC: flatfiles aren't practical with really large installations. |
| 05:06.03 | bkw_ | exactly |
| 05:06.35 | tclark | so we have a win32 dll, that wraps the TSP interface & just sned socket cmd to a new manager modled like manger.c butm talks to the dll in the win32 platform |
| 05:06.42 | jrollyson | ie, I'm going to need to have multiple people making configuration changes concurrantly. |
| 05:07.06 | wasim | eww |
| 05:07.07 | bkw_ | jrollyson yes.... and if we have a standard interface like odbc then that makes things simpler |
| 05:07.18 | bkw_ | tclark you are speaking about SATAN |
| 05:07.27 | bkw_ | EVIL PEOPLE... EVIL! |
| 05:07.46 | jrollyson | yeah, I can then do my PHP magic and tie in to existing provisioning systems. |
| 05:07.48 | tclark | stay closer to your enemys, get en through the back door |
| 05:08.10 | Death_INC | bkw_, did you ever try to actually recieve a fax with your installation of the software RxFAX? |
| 05:08.13 | bkw_ | static int unixodbc_do_query(void) |
| 05:08.16 | wasim | tclark: not when youre about to nuke the shit outta them |
| 05:08.59 | tclark | you guys ynow how many te410 boards would move if you have a win32 * TAPI svr prover |
| 05:09.13 | bkw_ | Death_INC no |
| 05:09.20 | bkw_ | someone buy me ALOT of hardware for testing |
| 05:09.33 | bkw_ | I need a few T1 cards.. and some channel banks |
| 05:09.34 | wasim | tclark: i doubt it, they'll have some else to whine about |
| 05:09.36 | bkw_ | come on guys |
| 05:09.42 | Death_INC | bkw, lol |
| 05:09.42 | bkw_ | i'm a happy person when I have toyz |
| 05:09.48 | bkw_ | and I do alot of useful things |
| 05:09.48 | tclark | there is a lot $$$ in them there ms hill wanting to get out |
| 05:09.50 | wasim | tclark: like, wheres the GUI |
| 05:09.56 | tclark | TAPI |
| 05:09.56 | jrollyson | I only have a T400P and a TA850 |
| 05:10.02 | tclark | ms has done it for us |
| 05:10.07 | jrollyson | both of which are being used. |
| 05:10.09 | bkw_ | yep ms is evil |
| 05:10.12 | bkw_ | we just have to talk TAPI |
| 05:10.20 | bkw_ | if we speak it.. then magic happens |
| 05:10.37 | tclark | no we just need to be a TAPI provider ! |
| 05:10.45 | bkw_ | yep |
| 05:10.52 | bkw_ | tclark are their examples? |
| 05:10.55 | tclark | dont need to speak TAPI |
| 05:11.01 | tclark | yes see that url |
| 05:11.05 | tclark | bb in amin |
| 05:11.31 | bkw_ | ok |
| 05:11.40 | bkw_ | jrollyson I didn't know any C 4 months ago |
| 05:11.46 | bkw_ | if I can do it.. I sure as hell think you can |
| 05:12.03 | bkw_ | jrollyson you know perl and php? |
| 05:12.11 | jrollyson | php, no perl yet |
| 05:12.36 | jrollyson | (not quite true, I can usually fix broken perl, but I can't write it) |
| 05:12.40 | bkw_ | well you get logic then |
| 05:12.41 | Death_INC | I keep trying to program the wrong things, I get it working then decide I didn't really need it ;b |
| 05:12.53 | bkw_ | Death_INC I do that all the time |
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| 05:14.49 | mgraves | Hello |
| 05:14.55 | tclark | ok, ther are about 100 or so public funcs prolly nneed 20% of them to make a call from TAPI app & bridge a call |
| 05:15.46 | tclark | the like auto magin an TAPI enable app on win32 will be able to dial like outlook, goldmine, mazimizer etc |
| 05:15.51 | jrollyson | hmm... either show queues or show agents needs to show time on call. |
| 05:15.54 | tclark | magic |
| 05:16.32 | jrollyson | right now, it shows time from last answer |
| 05:18.08 | jrollyson | anybody familiar with centervu supervisor? ;) |
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| 05:18.50 | tclark | i started looking at this bcus i got a deal with call cneter, the use a vb app a predictive dialer with TAPI, so we thought then chg their vb app to talk to Manager on sockets, but im a thinking do the TAPI interface bit more work but it realy opens things up in very interesting ways |
| 05:19.09 | p0lar | Hey bkw_ |
| 05:19.12 | p0lar | you awake? |
| 05:19.23 | jrollyson | skilling, priority levels, etc need to be dynamicly assigned through some sort of management interface. |
| 05:19.23 | wasim | hey p0lar , happy thanksgiving |
| 05:19.31 | p0lar | hey wasim |
| 05:19.36 | p0lar | thanks |
| 05:19.40 | tclark | err not TAPI but Tapi Service Provider |
| 05:19.58 | p0lar | any word on that tar file from your friend? |
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| 05:20.33 | wasim | don't tell me ... |
| 05:20.41 | wasim | this has got to be the laggiest file transfer ever |
| 05:20.44 | p0lar | ok I wont |
| 05:20.48 | p0lar | heh |
| 05:20.49 | p0lar | yeah |
| 05:21.00 | p0lar | still nothiing :) |
| 05:21.37 | p0lar | thats cool .... remember that I do work for a university... sometimes things take forever |
| 05:21.44 | p0lar | <- learned patience |
| 05:25.07 | p0lar | hey wasim. I have to put the kids to bed. thanks for checking on that |
| 05:25.22 | wasim | p0lar: just dropped them another reminder |
| 05:25.28 | p0lar | heh |
| 05:25.28 | p0lar | thanks |
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| 05:28.44 | Connor | How processor intensive is g279 ? |
| 05:29.29 | bkw_ | 279 |
| 05:29.35 | Connor | 729... |
| 05:29.37 | bkw_ | haha |
| 05:29.56 | Connor | sorry... getting late.. |
| 05:29.56 | bkw_ | ok voicemail routines are now functinalized |
| 05:29.57 | bkw_ | we have int unixodbc_do_query(char *query) |
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| 05:31.15 | Connor | Oh god, Alison did the Sandy voice? God I hate that IVR... |
| 05:33.31 | bkw_ | haha |
| 05:33.51 | bkw_ | ok changed cdr_unixodbc to use unixodbc_do_query instead of unixodbc_insert |
| 05:35.57 | bkw_ | ok those are updated |
| 05:36.00 | bkw_ | now on to app_directory |
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| 05:37.11 | bkw_ | yo yo yo |
| 05:37.11 | jrollyson | hmm... can't directory be done in an AGI? |
| 05:37.28 | bkw_ | yes but wouldn't it be nice if the native app_directory spoke odbc also? |
| 05:37.37 | bkw_ | someone already wrote it for pgsql |
| 05:37.46 | bkw_ | I can take that and build unixodbc from that |
| 05:38.08 | bkw_ | then we don't have this mysql this.. pgsql that.. flat file those.... no no no mysql that... no pgsql this. |
| 05:38.11 | bkw_ | ya know |
| 05:38.17 | jrollyson | bkw_: might be, I just don't see the reason for native app_directory at all. |
| 05:38.28 | bkw_ | STUPID PEOPLE |
| 05:38.30 | bkw_ | thats why |
| 05:38.36 | bkw_ | :) |
| 05:39.14 | bkw_ | wasim you make an ugly phone I will fly over there and hurt you |
| 05:39.58 | bkw_ | :) |
| 05:40.10 | wasim | come come, we'll go bbq in kandahar |
| 05:40.18 | bkw_ | hehe |
| 05:40.21 | bkw_ | I wish |
| 05:40.33 | bkw_ | my luck they would say I was off in some terrorist voip traning camp |
| 05:40.37 | bkw_ | and throw my ass in prison |
| 05:40.51 | wasim | lol ... asterisk, terrorist voip development |
| 05:41.06 | mishehu | "you set up voicemail... FOR OSAMA BIN LADEN??!?!?!?!" |
| 05:41.07 | wasim | the t-shirt should have that on it too |
| 05:41.10 | p0lar | hey bkw_ whats the default password for the web interface on the grandstreams |
| 05:41.15 | bkw_ | HAHAHA |
| 05:41.21 | bkw_ | admin |
| 05:41.30 | bkw_ | wasim thats funny |
| 05:41.45 | p0lar | i tried that |
| 05:41.48 | jrollyson | p0lar: admin |
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| 05:41.57 | bkw_ | p0lar you need to go thru the reset proceedure |
| 05:42.06 | bkw_ | jrollyson what else do you want to speak odbc? |
| 05:42.09 | bkw_ | app_authenticate? |
| 05:42.11 | p0lar | ehhwww |
| 05:42.21 | p0lar | ok thanks |
| 05:42.37 | jrollyson | bkw_: that wouldn't be bad, I was thinking app_queue and chan_agent actually though. |
| 05:43.06 | jrollyson | although, thats a more specialized need. |
| 05:43.28 | bkw_ | well if we can generalize it |
| 05:43.32 | bkw_ | then its not an issue |
| 05:43.40 | bkw_ | would be nice to have queue hooks for odbc |
| 05:43.54 | jrollyson | well, it would be useful, but only to those using queues. |
| 05:44.05 | bkw_ | i'm just in an unixodbc mood |
| 05:44.16 | bkw_ | from tweak to geek... Asterisk! |
| 05:44.26 | bkw_ | Huh-i |
| 05:44.29 | bkw_ | Hyper |
| 05:44.40 | bkw_ | Hyper media ocrity |
| 05:44.41 | Death_INC | argh, I can't remember.... how do you make a file execute a program and get output from that program whenever it is accessed in linux? |
| 05:44.58 | bkw_ | what? |
| 05:45.06 | bkw_ | lost me hause |
| 05:45.06 | jrollyson | bkw_: I'd love to be able to keep my queues.conf and agents.conf (or at least the important parts) in odbc. |
| 05:45.13 | Death_INC | like you do "cat file" and it gives you the output of say... "uname -a" |
| 05:45.16 | bkw_ | jrollyson I might write some hooks for that |
| 05:45.23 | bkw_ | backticks |
| 05:45.35 | bkw_ | echo `uname -a` |
| 05:45.42 | Death_INC | file executes something whenever it's accessed and outputs whatever the program output... I know you can do it |
| 05:45.47 | Death_INC | nono |
| 05:45.51 | jrollyson | eventually, it would be nice to be able to have any arbitrary config file in odbc. |
| 05:46.03 | bkw_ | jrollyson thats very possible |
| 05:46.10 | Death_INC | then if I did cat file and it had "echo `uname -a`" in it, it would just say "echo `uname -a`" |
| 05:46.17 | jrollyson | and have the only flatfile be the file that points to the databases. |
| 05:46.24 | Death_INC | it's something in the ext2 filesystem I think |
| 05:46.25 | bkw_ | jrollyson db dies? |
| 05:46.34 | bkw_ | what then? |
| 05:46.50 | jrollyson | bkw_: operate from cached data maybe? |
| 05:47.38 | jrollyson | or execute a fallback configuration |
| 05:48.32 | bkw_ | secondary dsn |
| 05:48.45 | jrollyson | that could do it. |
| 05:49.35 | jrollyson | I'd say extensions.conf is the most important thing to get into odbc. |
| 05:49.52 | jrollyson | that has the widest potential usefulness. |
| 05:50.47 | bkw_ | just have to have pbx_config.c rewritten |
| 05:51.05 | jrollyson | imho, extensions.conf format needs overhaul as well. |
| 05:51.47 | Death_INC | what I dont like about it, is that its hard to tell what the priorities will be for an extension |
| 05:51.52 | jrollyson | theres are constructs in there that make life harder than it has to be. |
| 05:52.23 | Death_INC | I mean if there are 2 things could possibly match, I think it uses the first one found... but I can never remember ;b |
| 05:53.07 | Death_INC | which isn't really relevant heh |
| 05:56.22 | bkw_ | just have to bring in the sql_init and do_query routines |
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| 06:16.44 | Mike | i hate echo |
| 06:21.21 | wasim | Mike: i'm sure the feeling is mutual |
| 06:22.13 | Mike | wasim: not really atleast you have more answers |
| 06:22.39 | wasim | Mike: echo is coming from some analog device you have |
| 06:22.45 | wasim | Mike: you have to fix the source |
| 06:22.48 | Mike | i have all digital lines |
| 06:23.12 | coppice_ | Mike: or some analog device the telco has |
| 06:23.15 | Mike | analog device what can it be? a telephone pluged in X100p? |
| 06:23.21 | Mike | im on mexico |
| 06:23.27 | Mike | i dont know what telco is |
| 06:23.31 | Mike | but i have a digital line |
| 06:23.59 | Mike | i have directly the line to the x100p and one telephone on the other end |
| 06:24.02 | Mike | that it |
| 06:24.07 | Mike | no more extensions |
| 06:24.07 | coppice_ | telco == telephone company == bunch of idiots that claim all the world's problems are yours |
| 06:24.27 | jrollyson | coppice_: lol, yup. |
| 06:24.36 | Mike | so how can i eliminate it? |
| 06:24.41 | wasim | Mike: there isn't an iota of digital in there, its all analog |
| 06:24.55 | Mike | iota? |
| 06:25.26 | wasim | Mike: DTMF doesnt make a line digital |
| 06:25.31 | coppice_ | Mike: Your line may be digital, but the PSTN phones you are talking to are generally not. It is probably the echo from those phones you hear. You need echo cancellation |
| 06:25.50 | Mike | i have echo cancelation |
| 06:25.57 | Mike | i tryed also aggresive echo cancelation |
| 06:26.02 | Mike | i hear echo for about 30 secs |
| 06:26.19 | Mike | then i can hear echo every once in a while or like if the voice gets cut |
| 06:26.25 | coppice_ | If you hear echo that long something abnormal is happening |
| 06:26.38 | Mike | not 30 secs its about 10 to 20 |
| 06:26.39 | Mike | atmost |
| 06:26.50 | jrollyson | still not normal. |
| 06:27.03 | Mike | echocancel=yes |
| 06:27.03 | Mike | echocancelwhenbridged=yes |
| 06:27.03 | Mike | ;echotraining=yes |
| 06:27.11 | Mike | thats what i have on zapata |
| 06:27.44 | coppice_ | Well, any disturbance of the line, like the distant party hanging up, will screw up the echo canceller's adaption. Hearing some echo when that happens is to be expected. |
| 06:28.13 | jrollyson | also, echocancel may not help if the echo is completely external to * |
| 06:28.16 | Mike | this line has only one extension |
| 06:28.28 | jrollyson | ie, someone's speakerphone on the remote end. |
| 06:28.30 | Mike | and its directly to the x100p and then i have a normal phone on the other end |
| 06:29.40 | Mike | is there any hardware that has echo cacnelation? |
| 06:29.48 | Mike | like any card digium sells? |
| 06:29.58 | wasim | its in the werx |
| 06:30.16 | Mike | werx? |
| 06:30.34 | wasim | we need an echo canceller here too :P |
| 06:30.46 | wasim | its under development |
| 06:31.02 | coppice_ | wasim's spelling checker doesn't werk |
| 06:31.18 | Mike | wasim: what options do you have on zapata? |
| 06:31.27 | Mike | for echo cancellation |
| 06:31.28 | Mike | ? |
| 06:31.35 | coil | how do you close open files |
| 06:32.03 | wasim | echocancel=no |
| 06:32.03 | wasim | echocancelwhenbridged=no |
| 06:32.11 | Mike | wasim: why? no? |
| 06:32.42 | wasim | coz i didn't have echo to start with |
| 06:32.45 | coppice_ | coil: pull out the power cord. That always closes them :-) |
| 06:33.10 | Mike | awesome no echo? |
| 06:33.11 | Mike | :P |
| 06:34.31 | Death_INC | I swear I remember being able to create a file that, when written to would actually run a program and write the data being written tot hat file to the standard input of the program..... am I nuts? |
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| 06:41.58 | Mike | rxgain=5.0 |
| 06:41.58 | Mike | txgain=5.0 |
| 06:42.01 | Mike | thats ok? |
| 06:42.11 | Mike | if i put it lower people say they listen very low volum |
| 06:42.24 | ww | man 2 close |
| 06:47.11 | jrollyson | Death_INC: man mkfifo IIRC |
| 06:51.19 | Death_INC | jrollyson, hmm close... maybe that is what I was remembering.... but I thought i could give it a command that it would execute if necessary |
| 06:51.54 | ^apathy^ | Death_INC: have a program listen to the fifo |
| 06:52.33 | Death_INC | I understand, but if the program isnt running.... I can just make sure it keeps running but, what I remembered was that it could automatically execute when necessary |
| 06:53.01 | Death_INC | close enought anyways ;) thanks |
| 06:53.07 | Death_INC | wtf did that "t" come from |
| 06:56.32 | jrollyson | "tee" is used to feed a stdin to multiple places |
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| 06:56.59 | honree | hello |
| 06:57.22 | honree | is it possible to use a voice modem as a line interface on asterisk? |
| 06:57.29 | Mike | [general]static=yeswriteprotect=yesignorepat => 9 |
| 06:57.37 | Mike | whats that context for? |
| 06:58.24 | honree | mike: me? |
| 07:00.20 | honree | ah um i think ive found the answer |
| 07:00.27 | honree | they cant do full duplex |
| 07:06.56 | af_ | honree: how are that? |
| 07:07.34 | honree | sorry? |
| 07:07.39 | honree | how are they? |
| 07:07.45 | honree | they're very good for the price :) |
| 07:07.51 | af_ | the grandstream ATA-286, any good? |
| 07:07.54 | honree | 50 UK pounds |
| 07:07.57 | af_ | I see, thanks |
| 07:08.12 | honree | yes they have a lot of features and work straight off with asterisk |
| 07:08.27 | af_ | how many phones in a ATA286? |
| 07:08.31 | honree | 1 |
| 07:08.36 | af_ | I mean you can link to |
| 07:08.38 | af_ | 1? |
| 07:08.40 | af_ | mhh |
| 07:08.46 | honree | but cheap enough to buy one for each fone |
| 07:08.49 | af_ | 1lan 1pots? |
| 07:08.51 | honree | yes |
| 07:08.51 | wasim | af_: the iaxyis coming out shortly too |
| 07:09.16 | af_ | I am not satisfied with my fritz |
| 07:09.28 | honree | what means iaxyis? |
| 07:09.31 | af_ | some calls go bad |
| 07:09.33 | wasim | iaxy is |
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| 07:11.46 | honree | ok, what's iaxy then :) |
| 07:11.56 | honree | inter asterisk something something? |
| 07:12.04 | honree | exchange... |
| 07:12.09 | honree | card? |
| 07:12.17 | af_ | it's the same then ATA-286, but with iax? |
| 07:12.27 | af_ | instead of sip? |
| 07:12.37 | honree | is it? |
| 07:12.43 | af_ | I don't know |
| 07:12.50 | honree | is it commercial or open? |
| 07:12.51 | af_ | just wondering |
| 07:13.15 | wasim | yep |
| 07:13.15 | honree | the ata-286 really is a lot of bang for the buck |
| 07:13.18 | wasim | iax ata |
| 07:13.25 | wasim | digiums latest puppy |
| 07:13.36 | honree | yes what? |
| 07:14.57 | jrollyson | mmm |
| 07:15.02 | jrollyson | iax based ATA? |
| 07:15.05 | asp | where can i get dialogic D/41JCT-LS driver for astersik? |
| 07:15.05 | jrollyson | NICE. |
| 07:15.18 | jrollyson | will it have optional sip functionality? |
| 07:15.19 | wasim | asp: sales@digium.com |
| 07:15.23 | wasim | jrollyson: ofcourse not |
| 07:15.44 | wasim | :) |
| 07:15.45 | asp | is there any open source |
| 07:15.51 | wasim | asp: ask intel |
| 07:17.06 | {VOID} | I wonder if conferencing exists in VoIP... |
| 07:17.35 | wasim | {VOID}: not in voip, its a pbx function, and * does it beautifully |
| 07:17.41 | honree | what (free ;) codec should i be using for lowest bandwidth? |
| 07:17.54 | wasim | honree: lpc10 |
| 07:18.11 | honree | that's also supported by the ata i meant |
| 07:18.16 | wasim | i've heard of one that does it at 1200 bps, but i haven't seen a free implementation |
| 07:18.48 | wasim | i've seen one that does it at 600 bps too, but thats military :( |
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| 07:19.46 | wasim | what free codecs does you ata suppoer? |
| 07:19.57 | coppice_ | wasim: HP has a PDA with 600bps audio |
| 07:20.18 | coppice_ | wasim: probably should be had |
| 07:21.50 | Mike | wasim: wanna see my extensions.conf ?? i just clean it up |
| 07:21.51 | Mike | :P |
| 07:22.13 | coppice_ | honree: If you are using normal VoIP protocols (ie RTP) really low bandwidth codecs are not important. The RTP overhead is soooo high |
| 07:22.28 | honree | wasim: g723, 729, 711, 726 728 |
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| 07:22.40 | wasim | penny wise, pound foolish as they say |
| 07:22.59 | honree | coppice: but there's a ten to one differnce between 711 and 729 isnt there |
| 07:23.01 | _AJ | any packet8 & * users here? |
| 07:23.04 | wasim | honree: welcome to 711 world :) |
| 07:23.49 | coppice_ | honree: its actually 8:1. After you add the overhead its more like 2:1, so not a huge saving. |
| 07:24.11 | honree | oh ok |
| 07:24.18 | coppice_ | changing from 711 to 729 makes a significant difference. changing from 729 to 723 is almost unnoticable |
| 07:24.29 | honree | um |
| 07:24.49 | honree | not a huge saving but makes a significant difference? |
| 07:24.56 | honree | do you mean to quality? |
| 07:25.17 | honree | i take it asterisk only supports 711 |
| 07:25.29 | Mike | anyone has a wisip? |
| 07:25.32 | honree | is there a way to make it selective |
| 07:25.45 | wasim | honree: yep, allow= |
| 07:25.46 | honree | so use 729 for inter ata calls and 711 for asterisk |
| 07:26.01 | honree | no wasim that's not what i mean |
| 07:26.03 | wasim | honree: asterisk supports a list of protocols long and distinguished |
| 07:26.06 | coppice_ | OK, lets start this again. 711 is 64kbps. 729 is 8kbps. That change will halve your bandwidth, and the quality is still good. This is generally a worthwhile change. |
| 07:26.21 | honree | right |
| 07:26.32 | honree | but, asterisk doesnt support it is that right? |
| 07:26.48 | honree | or it's a chargable add on module |
| 07:26.53 | coppice_ | Now change from 729 at 8kbps to a codec at 4kbps. Now the overall bandwidth reduction is small, and the quality loss usually greater. this is not such a good tradeoff. |
| 07:26.57 | wasim | * supports 729, you have to get a license |
| 07:27.01 | _AJ | can someone steer me in the right direction for using * as a calling card type server w/ two regular analog phone lines... what hardware do I need, and can it be done? |
| 07:27.14 | wasim | _AJ: two x100p, yep, lots of people doing it |
| 07:27.19 | coppice_ | going lower than 4kbps is hardly noticable in an RTP stream, due to the crazy overheads |
| 07:27.29 | _AJ | wasim, any good cheat sheets out there for a complete newbie? |
| 07:27.35 | honree | coppice: so my question is, can i use 729 for calls between 2 ata's which both support it and 711 for calls that go via asterisk |
| 07:27.59 | wasim | _AJ: digium.com under documentation, go thorugh the wiki, theres is an app out there, it'll take you some time to do it right though |
| 07:28.26 | honree | coppice: that's assuming that asterisk allows the voice data to go direct once the call setup is over |
| 07:29.03 | wasim | it'll be cool once we can do antive transfer on iax and still retain billing info |
| 07:29.10 | _AJ | wasim, thanks :) |
| 07:29.45 | coppice_ | honree: if you want to send 729 calls through * its OK. if you expect * to transcode 729, you need a 729 licence. If the calls which * will need to interwork with the outside are always 711, no transcoding is needed |
| 07:30.21 | honree | so all calls have to go via asterisk? |
| 07:30.47 | honree | oh hang on i think i see what you mean |
| 07:30.59 | honree | the 729 can STILL go via asterisk if it's just a passthru |
| 07:31.06 | honree | without need to transcode |
| 07:31.28 | coppice_ | honree: yes |
| 07:31.41 | honree | right so i just need to set the preference somewhere i guess so that it favours 729 and falls back to 711 if not possible to find a transcoding mapping? |
| 07:32.11 | _AJ | wasim... let me ask you this... let's say I want to use asterisk to do the following: |
| 07:32.11 | _AJ | 1. "Follow me" (someone dials my main number and it forwards to wherever I tell it to via my 2nd analog |
| 07:32.11 | _AJ | 2. Calling card - people can dial in, enter their code and dial out on the 2nd line |
| 07:32.11 | _AJ | 3. Voice mail |
| 07:32.12 | _AJ | Does that sounds feasible? |
| 07:32.37 | coppice_ | honree: yes |
| 07:32.56 | honree | coppice: ok thanks |
| 07:32.58 | wasim | _AJ: yep, trivial even |
| 07:33.12 | _AJ | lol |
| 07:33.15 | _AJ | ok |
| 07:33.20 | honree | coppice: my next question - is there a realaudio asterisk channel ;) |
| 07:33.28 | _AJ | so start at wiki, and go from there, huh |
| 07:33.36 | honree | ie to allow you to dial up and listen to real streams |
| 07:36.49 | coppice_ | honree: everything in * is real. There are no fakes :-) |
| 07:37.05 | honree | arf arf :) |
| 07:37.11 | coppice_ | honree: seriously, I don't know. MP3 streams work |
| 07:37.57 | honree | yea i got that working so far |
| 07:38.15 | honree | realaudio, while being a bit crap, would still be rather handy |
| 07:38.34 | honree | a lot of radio stations in the uk now have real feeds - could be useful |
| 07:39.21 | honree | i wish they'd all use something a bit more open tho :( |
| 07:40.56 | ww | honoree here you go -- listen to some real news -- sip:75821@fwd.pulver.com (err... one at a time please ;) |
| 07:41.20 | honree | lol! |
| 07:41.54 | honree | i cant make a sip connection at the moment its all set up on a separate lan |
| 07:42.00 | honree | but what is it? |
| 07:42.31 | ww | news... |
| 07:43.07 | honree | is it on your server i mean |
| 07:43.53 | honree | oh sorry, it's freeworld dialup innit |
| 07:44.17 | honree | prpaps i'll just plug the sound card into my radio |
| 07:44.18 | ww | have been thinking of pluging a radio into a soundcard and gluing it to that number but... haven't got around to that yet... |
| 07:44.24 | honree | \o/ |
| 07:44.29 | ww | :) |
| 07:44.33 | honree | hehe |
| 07:44.55 | honree | or a digital radio card... |
| 07:45.07 | honree | use dialled number to set a preset |
| 07:45.29 | ww | not a bad idea... |
| 07:45.32 | ww | or ... |
| 07:45.51 | ww | shortwave set with some digital tuning thingy... |
| 07:46.31 | honree | hehe |
| 07:46.33 | honree | tata |
| 07:48.44 | wasim | god dang, the kiwis are doing well |
| 07:49.09 | landrocker | wasim, what in?" |
| 07:49.34 | wasim | cricket |
| 07:49.49 | coppice_ | wasim: yeah, kiwi fruit is real popular these days |
| 07:49.55 | landrocker | ah right |
| 07:51.09 | wasim | we're gonna wallop 'em though |
| 07:51.39 | coppice_ | wasim:eh? making kiwi juice? |
| 07:52.00 | wasim | pate |
| 07:52.01 | jrollyson | hmm |
| 07:52.09 | jrollyson | MOH from channel |
| 07:52.17 | jrollyson | theres a useful feature ;) |
| 07:52.36 | wasim | kiwi pate served on a black cap |
| 07:52.52 | wasim | :) |
| 08:02.31 | wasim | at the momemt, its the kiwis that are grinding us into paste |
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| 08:16.16 | wasim | dammit ... thats a 100 run partnership |
| 08:19.59 | wasim | whew ... got one out, but Cairns is in |
| 08:21.04 | daork | oh? who are we playing? i dont follow cricket :S |
| 08:22.00 | wasim | we've got two matches in progress, kiwis againt pk, and windiws against zimbabwe |
| 08:22.50 | daork | so you are from pk? |
| 08:23.18 | wasim | yep, yep |
| 08:24.12 | wasim | but nz is my future home |
| 08:24.14 | wasim | some day |
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| 08:24.18 | daork | oh? |
| 08:25.04 | daork | there is some pretty interesting stuff happening with voip in .nz at the moment actually |
| 08:25.05 | coppice_ | wasim: windiws against zimbabwe? I thought it was always windiws against linux :-) |
| 08:25.13 | daork | haha |
| 08:26.00 | coppice_ | daork: so what is the pretty interesting stuff in .nz? SheepTel? |
| 08:26.08 | daork | coppice_: :P |
| 08:27.31 | daork | theres a guy who owns a bunch of glass up and down the country, and hes connecting all the people who he's sold voip pbx's to on to it, so many government departments, universitys, etc. |
| 08:27.31 | coppice_ | daork: Venison over Internet Protocol? |
| 08:27.49 | daork | coppice_: now /that/ would be a money maker |
| 08:28.12 | wasim | daork: does he use * |
| 08:28.15 | daork | imagine all the fat geeks who would never need to get out of their chair |
| 08:28.23 | daork | wasim: yep |
| 08:28.40 | daork | with some modifications for routes out of sql i think |
| 08:28.41 | wasim | daork: cool, tell him about farfon then |
| 08:28.48 | coppice_ | daork: how does he deal with the last mile? usually only the incumbant telco has that reach with their fibres. |
| 08:29.24 | coppice_ | far from a fon - wasim can't even download DSP code right now :-) |
| 08:29.38 | wasim | lol ;P |
| 08:29.51 | daork | coppice_: wellington has a city wide fibre network, you can connect to it pretty cheaply, and talk to anyone else on the network. I believe he uses that in wgtn. |
| 08:30.10 | daork | its not owned by the telcos |
| 08:30.40 | daork | and auckland also has a non-telco owned fibre network |
| 08:30.59 | coppice_ | Here in HK we have 3 wired line telcos. The long established one gives you lines anywhere. The two newer ones have nice fibre backbones, however....... |
| 08:31.25 | daork | the wellington one is actually the WIX (wellington internet exchange) as well, so its a city wide neutral peering point :) |
| 08:31.25 | coppice_ | you can have one of their manholes outside your tower, and they still won't/can't provide you service. |
| 08:32.17 | daork | coppice_: i've never heard of such a thing happening in .nz if their glass runs to near your building, you can get connected. |
| 08:33.40 | wasim | i really should reinstate my kiwi citizenship process |
| 08:34.23 | daork | the .nz internet community is pretty good too. its nice and small, so pretty much everyone knows everyone else (well, technical and upper management, not so much helpdesk etc) |
| 08:35.06 | coppice_ | Thats the trouble with service these days, "not so much helpdesk etc" :-) |
| 08:35.37 | coppice_ | Would the helpdesk be somewhere in downtown Bangalore? |
| 08:35.43 | wasim | lol |
| 08:35.57 | wasim | people are moving from there too, too expensive, other cities are cheaper |
| 08:36.20 | daork | citylink (who own the wellington network, and also the auckland peering exchange, which is just a switch) are putting peering exchanges in to all the major centres also, which IMO is a waste, but hey, could be useful for wasim if hes looking at voip around .nz :) |
| 08:36.24 | daork | coppice_: no. |
| 08:36.58 | wasim | daork: i just want them to use farfon |
| 08:37.02 | coppice_ | Strangely, 5 years ago software was in Bangalore, and hardware in Chennai (still Madras at that time). Now they seem to be both concentrated in Bangalore. |
| 08:37.10 | daork | what is farfon wasim ? |
| 08:37.24 | wasim | daork: its an ethernet iax ip vaporphone |
| 08:37.43 | wasim | daork: farfon.convergence.com.pko |
| 08:37.44 | daork | ah, your hardware i have seen you mention? |
| 08:37.46 | wasim | err... no o |
| 08:37.55 | wasim | daork: yes, ssir |
| 08:38.18 | coppice_ | Is a vapourphone what you get when it seriously fails ESD testing? |
| 08:38.43 | daork | haha |
| 08:39.23 | daork | wasim: loving the mac address of the phone ;) |
| 08:40.36 | wasim | we should be preproductioning them by christmas and roll the first run 1Q04 |
| 08:41.01 | wasim | once the community is happy about the preproduction and has given their input |
| 08:41.03 | coppice_ | I like the MAC address ID.EA.DA.5A.DO.DO |
| 08:41.43 | coppice_ | wasim: Styled your case, yet? Does it have a large friendly * on it? :-) |
| 08:42.00 | daork | personally, i like D1:5E:A5:ED:BE:EF |
| 08:42.02 | wasim | coppice_: got a few designs, working on a few more |
| 08:42.24 | jrollyson | any idea on price? |
| 08:42.27 | wasim | coppice_: function first, form'll follow |
| 08:42.40 | wasim | jrollyson: sub-100 in single units, sub-75 in 1000+ hopefully |
| 08:42.48 | jrollyson | nice |
| 08:43.00 | coppice_ | wasim:ooooh. Pricy! |
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| 08:43.29 | wasim | coppice_: you can work your magic once we have the final BOM this week |
| 08:43.53 | wasim | we'll split the saving three way, 1/3 discount, 1/3 in your pocket, 1/3 in mine |
| 08:44.05 | coppice_ | With really nice moulding that price would be OK, I guess. If it ends up like a Grandstream its a bit pricey. |
| 08:44.37 | wasim | no, i expect a quality mold |
| 08:44.51 | coppice_ | wasim: that sounds too much like an old corruption joke. :-\ |
| 08:47.11 | wasim | we'll have to us bid our butts off on this |
| 08:47.46 | daork | those phones look really interesting wasim |
| 08:47.57 | wasim | moreover, they're working, daork |
| 08:49.00 | daork | inside of a few months we will be voip enabling our office.. we were thinking of GS handsets, but if these are going to be close enough to the same price, and IAX, well, theres little competition :) |
| 08:50.15 | sousou | Is their an expert on called id matching in extensions.conf present please? |
| 08:50.20 | sousou | :) |
| 08:50.30 | sousou | I'm stuck |
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| 08:54.01 | RoyK_T | anyone that knows a good open source msn client? |
| 08:54.45 | wasim | amsn |
| 08:54.45 | ^apathy^ | RoyK_T: gaim |
| 08:56.40 | RoyK_T | apt-get install gaim |
| 08:56.43 | RoyK_T | works on mac :) |
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| 09:01.38 | coppice_ | wasim: is farfon a speakerphone? are you providing for headsets for call-centres (to tap into the Bangalore market :-) )? |
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| 09:05.58 | ^apathy^ | sousou: not an expert but i'll try....wassup? |
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| 09:12.29 | wasim | coppice_: its got two 1/8" jacks for spkr/mic |
| 09:12.34 | miller7- | morning everyone |
| 09:12.46 | wasim | coppice_: it has a spekerphone builtin |
| 09:13.15 | coppice_ | wasim: will full acoustic echo cancelling? |
| 09:14.39 | wasim | coppice_: that's the aim |
| 09:14.54 | wasim | coppice_: its got it on the DSP, so why not use it, eh? |
| 09:15.08 | wasim | god damn, 259/4 |
| 09:15.22 | wasim | kiwis putting up a fight |
| 09:17.31 | coppice_ | wasim: well, doing a speakerphone is easy |
| 09:17.48 | coppice_ | wasim: doing a speakerphone that really works is not so easy :-) |
| 09:19.42 | wasim | coppice_: g.168lec |
| 09:20.12 | coppice_ | wasim: G.168 is a line echo canceller, not a speakerphone one |
| 09:20.36 | coppice_ | wasim: many crappy useless cancellers can get through G.168, anyway :-) |
| 09:20.38 | wasim | right, the speaker phone EC is on the codec i think, lemme confirm |
| 09:21.21 | div_ | 259/5 after how many overs, wasim? |
| 09:21.28 | div_ | 4 rather |
| 09:21.47 | daork | wasim: you may want to have an rj-11 on there for headsets. most (all?) telephony headsets i've ever seen have an rj-11 jack.. |
| 09:21.58 | wasim | 273/5 after 49./1 |
| 09:22.36 | wasim | daork: those are the expensive ones, they make the same model in dual 1/8" which are much more cost effective, like plantronics |
| 09:23.07 | coppice_ | daork: good point. However, the handset jack is rather non-standard electrically. The RJ11 headsets from people like plantronics require a messy box that allows switching between several electrical formats for different phones. |
| 09:23.18 | daork | sure, but it'll cost you very little to have both sets of jacks |
| 09:23.33 | wasim | irght, but those are specific headsets for a phone, iirc |
| 09:23.45 | daork | wasim: nope |
| 09:24.10 | daork | wasim: they just use the standard rj-11 handset pinout.. |
| 09:24.43 | daork | i have a polycom soundpoint ip 500, it has a headset jack, and works great with all the headsets in our office |
| 09:24.46 | coppice_ | daork: Oh, sorry. You said RJ11. I was thinking of the handset jack that most headsets go into in call cantre apps. Those are elecrtically non-standard |
| 09:25.11 | coppice_ | I forget what the handset jack is called |
| 09:25.15 | daork | coppice_: oh? |
| 09:25.49 | wasim | i don't think it'll be any hassle to do it |
| 09:25.51 | daork | coppice_: all the ones i have ever seen are the same wiring as handset jacks.. i think.. |
| 09:26.37 | coppice_ | daork. Try plugging a hanset into a wall socket. It doesn't fit. The handset jack is smaller. It also has no standardisation of the signals on it. |
| 09:27.05 | daork | coppice_: im talking about handset vs headset connectors.. i thought you were too :) |
| 09:27.31 | wasim | so, what's wrong iwth plugging the headset into the handset connection? |
| 09:27.34 | coppice_ | A plantronics, hello voice or other call centre headset usually has a little box with a several position switch to select amongst common interfaces |
| 09:27.36 | daork | in .nz we have BT wall sockets, not rj-12 :) |
| 09:27.45 | daork | wasim: its nice to have 2 connectors that you can switch between |
| 09:28.20 | wasim | daork: post it under hw features, would ya |
| 09:28.26 | wasim | daork: i'll see it gets done |
| 09:28.41 | coppice_ | daork: an rj11 or rj12 is a wall socket connector. A headset connector is smaller and is called an RJ-something else I have forgotten |
| 09:28.42 | daork | wasim: and when the handset is disabled, so is the handset hook switch, and you have a toggle switch of some kind for hook |
| 09:29.09 | daork | coppice_: hmm, this is true :) my bad |
| 09:29.33 | coppice_ | RJ-14 I just found from our fiends at Google |
| 09:30.20 | coppice_ | Anyway, there are about 10 different electrical interfaces used on RJ-14 connectors |
| 09:30.56 | jrollyson | TIA 568A TIA 568B |
| 09:31.00 | jrollyson | what others |
| 09:31.02 | wasim | ok, 292 to win |
| 09:31.20 | daork | oh well, rj-12's are more common/cheaper (im guessing) |
| 09:31.26 | wasim | second last over, they scored 4 sixes and 2 fours, last over they scord 1 six and 3 fours |
| 09:31.44 | daork | .nz? |
| 09:31.50 | wasim | oui |
| 09:31.58 | jrollyson | theres also the operator console plug |
| 09:32.08 | jrollyson | 2 prong |
| 09:32.18 | jrollyson | with 2 conductors on each prong |
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| 09:33.49 | coppice_ | jrollyson: I've never checked, but a plantronics headet comes with a leaflet relating the several switch positions on their headet box to a long list of common PBX phones. Some of the selections seem to be just signal level. Others seems to rewise the plug completely |
| 09:34.08 | coppice_ | s/rewise/rewire |
| 09:34.41 | coppice_ | do TIA 568A and TIA 568B specify signal levels? |
| 09:35.07 | daork | rtl8019 D: |
| 09:36.20 | coppice_ | daork: was that supposed to be a profanity? :-) |
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| 09:36.45 | daork | rtl brings me pain |
| 09:37.16 | coppice_ | daork: What's wrong with RealBadTek? |
| 09:37.34 | daork | they make me toss and turn in bed at night with nightmares |
| 09:37.36 | wasim | daork: yeh, but didn;e have much of an option, i'm trying to get an kenden 8993 |
| 09:37.48 | wasim | daork: 3 port switch in there, but that's production, not preprod |
| 09:38.06 | wasim | daork: kenden, now micrel, but micrel won't respond to emails or calls |
| 09:38.15 | daork | wasim: you mentioned.. but that would still need a ethernet interface from the switch to the phone? |
| 09:38.34 | wasim | i guess i should adopt the coppice philosophy, of 100k units next month |
| 09:38.48 | daork | i have to say, a 100mbit switch would be a definate advantage over GS |
| 09:38.54 | wasim | daork: no, one goes to the phone, one to ethernet, one to the PC |
| 09:39.35 | RoyK_T | *grunt* |
| 09:41.07 | daork | yeah, 'to the phone' still needs an ethernet PHY/MAC, yeah? so you've still got the realtek.. |
| 09:41.40 | wasim | daork: no, the ks 8993 will interface directly to the dsp |
| 09:42.38 | daork | ahh |
| 09:44.00 | wasim | on one of its ports, the other two will have rj-45 females |
| 09:44.26 | daork | sure |
| 09:45.40 | coppice_ | wasim: looking at the micrel site, that part just seems to be a switch. I can't see an ethernet to host interface |
| 09:48.39 | daork | wasim: http://eeks.convergence.com.pk/viewtopic.php?p=152#152 |
| 09:48.56 | wasim | coppice_: one of the ports can be linkes serially, afaik |
| 09:52.08 | coppice_ | wasim: The KS8695P looks interesting - a switch and an ARM9 all in one |
| 09:52.26 | wasim | coppice_: but i haven't gotten a sample yet or a datasheet yet |
| 09:54.18 | daork | http://eeks.convergence.com.pk/viewtopic.php?t=38 <-- has miller7 confused FXS and FXO here? |
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| 09:54.29 | coppice_ | wasim: all their datasheets are "on request". Morons in marketing! The third port has a serial interface, so you feed that to a serial port on the DSP? |
| 09:54.54 | wasim | coppice_: that was the plan |
| 09:56.30 | daork | "multicolored flashing if someone is stoned " <-- haha |
| 09:56.46 | wasim | cool, got a login pass |
| 09:57.26 | wasim | coppice_: www.micrel.com/eth |
| 09:59.32 | coppice_ | wasim: Gee. Don't those pins add up :-\ 128 pins just for a 3 port device |
| 10:01.36 | wasim | hopefully routing them won't be a pita |
| 10:03.20 | wasim | othwerise coppice_ and i will have our favorite discussion again |
| 10:03.25 | wasim | 4 layer board! |
| 10:04.30 | daork | haha |
| 10:06.04 | daork | i thought there was software around where you could feed it a schematic and it would give you a pcb layout |
| 10:07.17 | honree | there are 100s |
| 10:07.18 | honree | :) |
| 10:08.15 | coppice_ | daork: there are a number of packages that *help* you produce a PCB layout. Those that are totally autonomous are a disaster. :-\ |
| 10:08.42 | daork | i see |
| 10:12.10 | honree | unless you use > 2 layers and dont care about the resulting rats nest |
| 10:14.11 | wasim | 22 layer Farfon! |
| 10:14.38 | daork | heh |
| 10:14.43 | jrollyson | more layers = more production cost |
| 10:14.50 | jrollyson | = less profit |
| 10:15.03 | jrollyson | = less buyers |
| 10:15.04 | daork | drop each major components connectors to its own layer |
| 10:18.04 | coppice_ | honree: you *always* care about the rats nest. In many ways you care *more* when you are down to 2 layers. Bad layout == noise == performance sucks |
| 10:18.48 | wasim | yep, we're pretty ok so far on 2 layer |
| 10:20.01 | wasim | we've done some rerouting, and some of the things from the preivous design are gone, like flash, and the rtl eeprom |
| 10:20.39 | coppice_ | honree: 2 layers at high speed requires careful handling of the ratsnest to get the maximum amount of ground plane in the right places, and to optimise decoupling of the power rails. You need to keep key clock lines tidy. You need to keep cystals close to their silicon. You need to keep analogue signals very well laid out to avoid polluting them with digital crap. |
| 10:21.03 | wasim | but we've got an extra I/O in there |
| 10:21.26 | coppice_ | extra I/O good. extra layers bad :-) |
| 10:21.46 | coppice_ | Can you get down to a single layer SRBP boards? :-) |
| 10:22.02 | wasim | yes, yes, now we can do i2c to the DSP and get some additional fucnitonality out |
| 10:22.33 | daork | oh, wasim.. thought about FTP as well as TFTP for booting the phone? |
| 10:23.19 | wasim | daork: no tcp |
| 10:23.42 | daork | k |
| 10:27.22 | wasim | lol, they already lost an opener |
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| 10:28.43 | wasim | 10:20 < coppice_> honree: 2 layers at high speed requires careful handling of the ratsnest to get the maximum amount of |
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| 10:28.55 | wasim | 10:21 < wasim> but we've got an extra I/O in there |
| 10:28.57 | wasim | 10:21 < coppice_> extra I/O good. extra layers bad :-) |
| 10:29.00 | wasim | 10:21 < coppice_> Can you get down to a single layer SRBP boards? :-) |
| 10:29.02 | wasim | oh, god, sorry |
| 10:43.25 | honree | spose it depends what you mean by high speed |
| 10:43.43 | honree | i wouldnt do one of my board on 2 layer if it was what I called high speed ;) |
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| 10:44.22 | sousou | Could someone try dialing 17007388 please? |
| 10:46.21 | wasim | 100 Mhz |
| 10:46.44 | honree | yes, well you wouldnt put that on 2 layer then would you |
| 10:46.54 | honree | mind you i know people that wire wrap that |
| 10:47.39 | sxpert | rrrriiiiiinnnnggggg |
| 10:49.29 | coppice_ | honree: Why would 2-layers and 100MHz be a problem? |
| 10:50.14 | honree | i didnt come here to get into a fight with you about board layout - whatever you say |
| 10:50.40 | coppice_ | well, most of the world's >100MHz stuff is on 2-layers |
| 10:50.44 | honree | i simply wouldnt do it because id prefer to have 2 layers for power |
| 10:50.47 | RoyK_T | has anyone tested app_[rt]xfax? |
| 10:51.27 | honree | well, not were i come from but as i say i dont want an arguemnt - my apologies |
| 10:52.31 | coppice_ | honree: I don't want a fight. I am genuinely interested in why you see a problem. The problems come with layout, not with layers |
| 10:54.03 | honree | a signal trace has somewhat better controlled characteristics over a ground plane |
| 10:54.26 | coppice_ | so you put the ground plane on one side, and the signals on the other |
| 10:54.46 | honree | well even with manual routing that may not be easy |
| 10:55.07 | honree | 4 layers arent exactly a problem these days |
| 10:56.39 | coppice_ | i didn't say it was easy. Its not always even possible. However, when it is possible, there is no problem with 2-layers. Well designed chips try to make this easy. AMD has to rework the Opteron now because the screwed up, and need 6 layers. That costs. I understand the next revision of the Opteron will have a different pinout that makes it practical to use a 4-layer board |
| 10:56.52 | coppice_ | 4 layers cost |
| 10:57.00 | honree | not that much |
| 10:57.30 | coppice_ | 10 cents is too much for most people to bear |
| 10:58.47 | coppice_ | besides, 4-layers adds thickness. That is a big problem for lots of people |
| 10:59.45 | honree | im not sure what pcbs you have in mind but again where i come from 4 or more layer is the norm |
| 11:00.31 | coppice_ | honree: then I assume your work is mostly lowish volume. BOM is not usually the main driver there |
| 11:01.09 | honree | do you have any examples? |
| 11:01.23 | honree | tv's excluded ;) |
| 11:01.45 | honree | a lot of those are even now single sided - with 100s of machine inserted wire links |
| 11:02.08 | coppice_ | TVs sometimes put >100MHz stuff on single sided SRBP these days. That is unusual, though |
| 11:02.36 | coppice_ | How many layers are in your phone? |
| 11:02.45 | honree | a good example of large volume is pc motherboards |
| 11:03.01 | honree | which phone? |
| 11:03.12 | honree | if you mean mobile (cell) then > 2 :) |
| 11:03.27 | honree | thy're pretty much volume i think... |
| 11:03.31 | coppice_ | PCs are a bad example. They are an exception. They are high volume, but complexity constraints mean 4 layers. |
| 11:03.42 | coppice_ | I see 2-layers in cellphone |
| 11:03.53 | honree | well, ok im still listening - another example? |
| 11:04.31 | coppice_ | cellphones have the thickness problem, so they don't only suffer cost constraints |
| 11:05.34 | honree | do you design pcbs for a living? |
| 11:05.39 | honree | what sector? |
| 11:05.49 | coppice_ | honree: not these days. |
| 11:06.17 | honree | me neither :) |
| 11:06.20 | coppice_ | I live in HK. In Asia people agonise about a cent on the BOM. |
| 11:06.25 | honree | heh |
| 11:06.57 | honree | to be honest ive never done any high volume mass market stuff, you may well be right |
| 11:07.23 | honree | if you want to see thick boards we did some > 20 layer |
| 11:07.26 | honree | marconi |
| 11:07.38 | coppice_ | honree: you are in the UK, I believe. That is where I come from. I *never* saw a real high volume product there ! :-) |
| 11:07.45 | honree | lol |
| 11:07.46 | honree | :) |
| 11:07.58 | coppice_ | honree: I did 22 layers at Marconi, when that was a board about 8mm thick :-) |
| 11:07.58 | honree | this is probably our difference of view :) |
| 11:08.07 | honree | lol yes :) |
| 11:08.11 | FuzzyCat | coppice_: how about unemployment... |
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| 11:08.27 | coppice_ | 22 layers is reasonably thin, now. |
| 11:08.40 | coppice_ | FuzzyCat: What about unemployment? |
| 11:08.51 | FuzzyCat | <coppice_> honree: you are in the UK, I believe. That is where I come from. I *never* saw a real high volume product there ! :-) |
| 11:08.52 | FuzzyCat | <FuzzyCat> coppice_: how about unemployment... |
| 11:09.05 | honree | we did the UK telephone exchange hardware (system X) are you familiar? |
| 11:09.21 | FuzzyCat | unemployment is one thing the UK does well... |
| 11:09.27 | coppice_ | honree: I worked in System X in 1980. |
| 11:09.33 | honree | oh |
| 11:09.40 | honree | which section/location? |
| 11:09.53 | coppice_ | FuzzyCat: Oh yeah. The UK has high volume unemployment :-) |
| 11:10.33 | coppice_ | I worked on a bit that got scraped, called DSSS |
| 11:10.43 | honree | oh right |
| 11:10.45 | honree | line side |
| 11:10.59 | honree | i worked on the popus for 8 years |
| 11:11.16 | honree | i was never directly involved with board layout |
| 11:11.20 | coppice_ | What's popus? |
| 11:11.28 | honree | the central processor |
| 11:11.44 | honree | its all discrete ttl in large tep1 cabs |
| 11:12.07 | honree | 4 cards per cpu, 4 cpus per rack 4 racks per system... |
| 11:12.12 | coppice_ | Do you means the modern one, or that stupid original crap that was supposed to be very resilient, but was never really thought out? |
| 11:12.22 | RoyK_T | FuzzyCat: how's the unemployment rate in the uk? |
| 11:12.31 | honree | it's still in use today |
| 11:12.33 | FuzzyCat | high... |
| 11:12.40 | FuzzyCat | much like nl |
| 11:12.48 | RoyK_T | which is ... 10%? |
| 11:13.01 | FuzzyCat | royk there's a HUGE north-south devide... |
| 11:13.05 | FuzzyCat | divide |
| 11:13.19 | coppice_ | FuzzyCat: to be fair to the UK, it achieves high volume in some areas. The pharma and chem industries are still world class. |
| 11:13.19 | RoyK_T | people in .no are complining that we're about to reach 5% |
| 11:14.01 | FuzzyCat | in the north you can buy a house for 6k - in the south that would prolly pay 3 months rent (if that) |
| 11:14.30 | RoyK_T | FuzzyCat: i c. |
| 11:14.50 | coppice_ | FuzzyCat: where can you buy a house for 6K (apart from some out of the way crofter's home)? |
| 11:14.54 | RoyK_T | if I were to move to .uk, it'd be Edinburgh or somewhere else in scotland.... |
| 11:15.16 | FuzzyCat | coppice_: the government doesn't help the situation by insisting that there isn't an employment problem in the IT sector, and continues to grant permits to India |
| 11:15.17 | coppice_ | RoyK_T: You *really* like it cold, then! |
| 11:15.45 | FuzzyCat | coppice_: try shefield, darlington etc... |
| 11:16.00 | RoyK_T | coppice_: being grown up in norway and having survived sub -30 quite a few times, scotland isn't really cold |
| 11:16.07 | FuzzyCat | you can buy a whole street for less than the price of a semi in the south |
| 11:16.35 | FuzzyCat | oddly enuff FuzzyCat wants to move to Scotland too.. |
| 11:16.51 | coppice_ | FuzzyCat: The UK wories about jobs going to Bangalore. Bangalore worries about them going to small towns in India. Those small towns worry about them going to Cambodia. |
| 11:18.01 | FuzzyCat | coppice_: the difference is that the UK government are lying - or putting their heads in the sand. UK companies will gladly pay 1/3 of the price for an employee |
| 11:18.11 | coppice_ | FuzzyCat: you can't build a house for 6. The materials exceed that |
| 11:18.31 | coppice_ | s/6/6K |
| 11:18.37 | FuzzyCat | coppice_: yes, that's true, but it doesn't mean you can't buy one in the north for that.. |
| 11:19.04 | coppice_ | FuzzyCat: Do you mean outsourcing to India, or importing cheap Indians? |
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| 11:20.18 | FuzzyCat | importing them coppice_ |
| 11:20.25 | FuzzyCat | coppice_: £3,000 |
| 11:20.25 | FuzzyCat | Linacre Road, Litherland, Merseyside, L21 |
| 11:20.25 | FuzzyCat | Other |
| 11:20.25 | FuzzyCat | 3 bedroom(s) |
| 11:21.30 | coppice_ | FuzzyCat: Bloody hell. When houses in London were 50K, houses there were 20K. Now houses in London are 200K. What happened? |
| 11:22.40 | coppice_ | Why would an Indian go to the UK to work? In Bangalore they make about US$1000 per month. Property is expensive there, but other living costs are low. Living in the UK doesn't seem to make sense for them. |
| 11:23.01 | RoyK_T | My 50 m2 flat in oslo is worth around GBP 100k |
| 11:23.41 | FuzzyCat | coppice_: unemployment is what happened.... |
| 11:24.25 | coppice_ | FuzzyCat: So the house you mentioned has collapsed in proce recently? |
| 11:24.33 | RoyK_T | FuzzyCat: was that a house - for sale??? the one you pasted above??? |
| 11:24.35 | coppice_ | or even in price |
| 11:26.19 | FuzzyCat | royk YES |
| 11:26.47 | FuzzyCat | coppice_: it's the story all over the north... |
| 11:27.07 | coppice_ | FuzzyCat: what was the price before it fell? |
| 11:27.23 | FuzzyCat | people actually abandon their houses because it's cheaper that selling.... |
| 11:27.48 | FuzzyCat | if you sold a 3k house there's no way it would cover your mortgage |
| 11:28.31 | FuzzyCat | and gordon brown insista that more houses should be built in the south when what he really should be doing is encouraging business to move north |
| 11:29.13 | RoyK_T | FuzzyCat: heh. what do you get for 100k in nothern england then? |
| 11:29.15 | FuzzyCat | coppice_: dunno what the price was b4 it went to 3k... was just an example house price... |
| 11:29.26 | FuzzyCat | royk quite a bit... |
| 11:29.38 | FuzzyCat | lemmie find you some |
| 11:29.48 | RoyK_T | same stuff with scotland? |
| 11:29.54 | RoyK_T | or similar prices? |
| 11:30.44 | coppice_ | FuzztCat: Trying to move business north has been tried many times. It failed. A lot of government offices are far from their users because they tried to drag things north by moving civil service activities. Business really loves the pricy South. Of course, this means that costs are not their main driving factor, doesn't it :-) |
| 11:31.40 | FuzzyCat | coppice_: simple incentive schemes and tax breaks would do it |
| 11:32.04 | coppice_ | It never has before. There were a lot of schemes when I was a kid. None worked |
| 11:32.23 | FuzzyCat | royk 14.3 acres of woodland for 30k :D |
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| 11:33.19 | FuzzyCat | coppice_: one of the fundamental problems is the underlying infrastructure, you DO have to sort that out first... |
| 11:34.30 | FuzzyCat | ok, royk, I can't find a house in liverpool over 40k |
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| 11:35.14 | FuzzyCat | oh, hang on... |
| 11:36.45 | coppice_ | FuzzyCat: what infrastructure is missing. They have cheap housing :-), roads, power, telecoms, pubs. What more could a company need? |
| 11:36.54 | FuzzyCat | fancy me not realising... page 61 has some... 61 pages of houses <100k ... /me sighs |
| 11:37.23 | FuzzyCat | coppice_: this is true, but it;s the quality of the infrastructure... |
| 11:37.46 | FuzzyCat | although I'd take a pub in the north father than one in the south any day |
| 11:38.04 | coppice_ | FuzzyCat: The north used to lack roads. Now it has them. Of course, it used to have a rail system, and now it doesn't :-\ |
| 11:39.06 | FuzzyCat | the uk used to have a rail system, now it's bollocks |
| 11:39.18 | RoyK_T | FuzzyCat: well. I guess the average age before getting cancer in liverpool must be low... I've only been there once, 10 years ago, but it looked like shit...... |
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| 11:41.13 | FuzzyCat | royk only ever passed through there... about 6 months ago... still looks like shit... |
| 11:41.20 | coppice_ | That is one area that infrastructure differs between south and north. The south has spent a fortune cleaning up its rivers. the north has not. |
| 11:41.56 | coppice_ | the environment in the north tends to be nice countryside and very polluted towns |
| 11:42.46 | FuzzyCat | yes, but that's the thing that ppl concentrate on when they have moeny anre are comfortable... |
| 11:43.05 | mainHOONnah | m i on right channel Asterisk ? |
| 11:43.22 | RoyK_T | mainHOONnah: yeah :) |
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| 11:43.36 | RoyK_T | mainHOONnah: just a little #offtopic right now |
| 11:43.48 | mainHOONnah | a channel for voice telephony |
| 11:43.48 | mainHOONnah | ??:) |
| 11:43.53 | RoyK_T | yep |
| 11:44.06 | FuzzyCat | no this is 'Bitching about the state of the planet' channel ;) |
| 11:44.08 | RoyK_T | sign language telephony |
| 11:44.17 | coppice_ | yep. we are communicating! |
| 11:45.05 | coppice_ | RoyK_T: guests or a big appetite? |
| 11:45.46 | RoyK_T | guests. birthdayparty. or post-birthday or something |
| 11:45.56 | FuzzyCat | saturday ? |
| 11:46.03 | RoyK_T | saturday? |
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| 11:46.14 | coppice_ | So, things in the UK are bad. Are they getting better, bottomed out, getting worse? |
| 11:46.32 | RoyK_T | coppice_: will george bush take to senses? |
| 11:46.42 | RoyK_T | coppice_: will the pope turn buddhist? |
| 11:48.50 | coppice_ | Royk_T: The pope has practically eliminated all gods, accepting the existance of only one. The Buddists believe in zero gods, so they are pretty close, don't you thinK? |
| 11:51.22 | mainHOONnah | coppice :No |
| 11:53.14 | RoyK_T | hehe |
| 11:55.54 | RoyK_T | any mac people around? |
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| 11:58.45 | FuzzyCat | coppice_: i think it's still getting worse... nl is suffering big time.. I only have to look around here to see 40% of the houses on the market... whereas in the boomtime it was about 3% |
| 11:59.27 | coppice_ | RoyK_T: could that unemployment be the lowest in Europe? .no seems a pretty well run country, all in all. Seems to have more stability than most of Europe. |
| 11:59.44 | RoyK_T | coppice_: oil money. that's all |
| 11:59.55 | RoyK_T | the fscking richest country in the world |
| 12:00.09 | coppice_ | RoyK_T: The UK has a lot of that too, and look at their position. |
| 12:00.11 | RoyK_T | ...and the most expensive beer in the world |
| 12:00.46 | coppice_ | FuzzyCat: So you would recommend staying in Asia? :-) |
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| 12:01.11 | FuzzyCat | coppice_: well it depends, if you like it and are happy there... |
| 12:01.52 | RoyK_T | then where in asia? |
| 12:01.55 | wasim | i would recommend moving to pk |
| 12:02.22 | lecram | :) |
| 12:02.33 | wasim | most everybody would speak english |
| 12:02.39 | coppice_ | FuzzyCat: well things are not greate in HK right now, and with the rise of China they might not get better. However, it sounds like europe is work. |
| 12:03.11 | FuzzyCat | yes, europe is not fun atm |
| 12:03.15 | coppice_ | Is .pk like .in, where most of people's working lives are conducted in English? |
| 12:03.18 | FuzzyCat | not for me anyhow |
| 12:05.00 | RoyK_T | wasim: on the other hand - finding someone in oslo that knows urdu or punjabi will probably take me less than 5 minutes, as there's quite a few nationalities in oslo, and pakistani aren't really a minor group |
| 12:05.08 | mainHOONnah | yeah |
| 12:05.10 | mainHOONnah | i m from Pk also |
| 12:05.14 | RoyK_T | k |
| 12:06.00 | RoyK_T | FuzzyCat: where are you now? nothern uk? |
| 12:07.32 | coppice_ | FuzzyCat: in the last 7 years I spent one weekend in the UK, last December. It felt like visiting some third world country. The London Underground is expensive, and fully up to the stnadard of the worst railways in Africa. It felt a pretty dismal experience. |
| 12:09.30 | coppice_ | To get back on topic. How come I can call my mother in London for less than it costs her to talk to her friends across town. Maybe if utilities like that were more reasonably priced, people would have more money available to drive up the house prices (trying not to offend the topic police any more) :-) |
| 12:09.43 | FuzzyCat | royk no, NL... |
| 12:09.57 | h3x | the off topic police are sleeping.. |
| 12:10.53 | FuzzyCat | coppice_: deploy voip to our mother and her friends :D |
| 12:11.08 | FuzzyCat | /s/our/your/ |
| 12:11.18 | coppice_ | FuzzyCat: then they need overpriced ADSL. |
| 12:11.19 | FuzzyCat | unless we share a mother... and i am unaware... |
| 12:11.55 | Death_INC | argh EAGI stops getting the audio as soon as it executes an external app |
| 12:11.58 | RoyK_T | FuzzyCat: oh. ok. hehehehehe... this colleauge of mine was down there to work on some hotel installation, and managed to miss his plane from amsterdam... I asked him if he'd smoked a little too much, and he said, quickly, 'ain't smoked anything' before flushing and getting out of my office ... duh |
| 12:12.16 | FuzzyCat | hehehe |
| 12:13.06 | daork | lol |
| 12:15.52 | coppice_ | Some electronics guys get a bit touchy when you ask them about dry joints, too :-) |
| 12:16.03 | RoyK_T | yeah :) |
| 12:17.28 | RoyK_T | apple soundsticks ROCK |
| 12:19.45 | wasim | so do some chefs |
| 12:20.00 | wasim | and elderly people :P |
| 12:25.42 | coppice_ | I thought that chefs wok, not rock |
| 12:29.16 | h3x | wish i knew how to actually program THE flash button. but im using a soft key instead. |
| 12:29.56 | h3x | haha |
| 12:30.05 | h3x | RoyK: i didnt know there was a new tori album out. |
| 12:30.26 | h3x | it all went downhill since she got raped & married though :( |
| 12:30.59 | h3x | oh |
| 12:31.04 | h3x | its a best of |
| 12:31.47 | RoyK_T | h3x: I'm just listening an old one |
| 12:32.16 | RoyK_T | 'from the choirgirl hotel' |
| 12:32.32 | h3x | Ahhhhhhhh. this sucks. whatever code that adsi parser is using |
| 12:32.39 | coppice_ | Ah, in poor depressed Europe people can't even afford new records :-) |
| 12:32.41 | h3x | sends one that makes the softkey disappear when its used once |
| 12:35.14 | h3x | hahahah |
| 12:35.16 | h3x | that didnt work |
| 12:35.19 | h3x | it just made itself multiply! |
| 12:35.21 | h3x | hahahahahahah |
| 12:36.25 | h3x | aww, its the stupid CLEARDISPLAY |
| 12:42.00 | RoyK_T | bugsbugsbugsbugsbugs... OS X.2.8 sucks. reboot. |
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| 13:37.27 | kapejod | RoyK_T: nice :) |
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| 13:42.08 | mudley | could somebody explain me the redirect manager command ?? i tried it but it behaved quite strange ... |
| 13:43.36 | tz-afk | ~seen citats |
| 13:43.37 | | citats is currently on #asterisk |
| 13:43.53 | tz-afk | citats: you around?? or is jbot just buggered |
| 13:44.09 | tz-afk | hmm 8 hours idle... it means he's alive! |
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| 13:56.58 | haighis | question on Dialogic hardware....i see D/41JCT-LS on the asterisk site which are PCI cards.. are the D/41D or D/41B ISA cards supported as well? |
| 13:57.44 | haighis | I have an x100p...but i found a some used D/41D cards for cheap...that I just want to use for development |
| 13:59.40 | haighis | guess it's too early ....for some |
| 14:00.29 | haighis | i searched the mailing list on this...this question was asked but never answered |
| 14:07.49 | Mike | tz-afk: you got your wisip? |
| 14:07.55 | tz-afk | Mike: not yet no |
| 14:08.12 | Mike | tz-afk: i just had a dream:P i was buying it |
| 14:08.17 | tz-afk | ha |
| 14:08.23 | Mike | tz-afk: no joke |
| 14:08.24 | Mike | :P |
| 14:09.04 | tz-afk | http://www.johnny-five.com/ |
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| 14:17.32 | haighis | the Manager interface is so cool i love it |
| 14:24.15 | coppice_ | haighis: D/41D cards are not duplex. the won't do VoIP. AS far as I know they are not supported by * |
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| 14:27.15 | haighis | coppice_ How about D/41B? |
| 14:27.53 | coppice_ | event older. even worse. There are not even drivers available from Dialogic for those on Linux |
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| 14:30.44 | tim27 | any saw the aastra 480 , ip version , it's supposed to support SIP, MGCP, H.323 and be cheap... |
| 14:34.06 | RoyK_T | what's that? |
| 14:34.17 | RoyK_T | a phone? |
| 14:34.43 | RoyK_T | a can opener? |
| 14:35.08 | tim27 | phone |
| 14:36.09 | tim27 | a ip phone base on the current version of analog aastra 480, look similard but have 2 lan connnection... and it's digital |
| 14:36.17 | coppice_ | what does cheap mean in this context? Slightly less the arm-and-a-leg Ciscos? |
| 14:37.01 | tim27 | do not, but i can tell that ADSI version of the 480 sold for around 100-150 |
| 14:37.10 | tim27 | so i think it will be cheaper than cisco |
| 14:37.17 | tim27 | http://www.sayson.com |
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| 14:37.43 | coppice_ | the complexity of the ADSI one is very low compared to an IP phone. |
| 14:38.56 | coppice_ | does it look as ugly in real life as in the picture? |
| 14:39.11 | tim27 | coppice_: do you really think that SIP phone will be sell for 300 - 350 $ each in two year |
| 14:39.42 | coppice_ | I think a SIP phoen will be $50 for a nice unit in about 1 year. |
| 14:40.20 | tim27 | IP phone are complex but now we pay more for RD than the phone itself |
| 14:40.21 | ManxPower | I disagree. I think they will be $100 - $150 within a year. |
| 14:40.48 | ManxPower | But my accuracy in predicting the future isn't any better than most people's. 8-) |
| 14:41.13 | tim27 | ManxPower: i will buy some 7960 at 100-150 $ :) |
| 14:41.13 | coppice_ | The GS is already less than that, and theirs is overpriced. A nicer case costs nothing (once its tooled) and the GS would then be OK. |
| 14:41.30 | ManxPower | tim27, 7960's will never be $150 |
| 14:41.32 | tim27 | GS you mean grandstream ??? |
| 14:42.00 | coppice_ | The 7960 will never be cheap. They sell at the current price to corporates, so why would the price drop. |
| 14:42.07 | coppice_ | GS = GrandStream |
| 14:42.23 | ManxPower | coppice_, How long has Grandstream been selling IP Phones? They still have not seem to have gotten the software right, not some of the other harder to fix design flaws. |
| 14:42.53 | tim27 | the grandstream see to look like a cheap toy phone... i think that the astra 480 will be more rebust... it have soft key ... and a large lcd... even if the look is not so beautiful |
| 14:42.56 | coppice_ | Hardware makers never take software seriously, even when it hurst their sales. |
| 14:43.19 | ManxPower | I think SNOM and some of the other players (ZIP Phone?) will improbe software support and lower prices and I think some new players will appear. |
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| 14:43.37 | tim27 | GS = grandstream = cheap phone of 10-20 $ at wal mart in their analog version |
| 14:44.20 | ManxPower | What's REALLY interesting is that wasim may be considering "open sourcing" his IP Phone project after some amount of time (1 year, 2 years?). |
| 14:44.27 | coppice_ | The Taiwanese will get their act together, and make $50 phones of good quality. A thing like the 480i, with a large screen will probably be 100-150, but most phones will be $50. |
| 14:44.38 | ManxPower | That will certinally change the dynamics of things. |
| 14:44.59 | coppice_ | tim27: do you know the BOM for a cheap analogue phone? about US$1 |
| 14:46.28 | coppice_ | there are *lots* of Taiwanese video IP phones for about US$300-400 |
| 14:46.33 | RoyK_T | *brb*outtobuybeer* |
| 14:47.00 | tim27 | ManxPower: really true... take adsi phone for example, all major PCPBX soft... use them... they are cheap, etc.. and you can get many feature... but on asterisk plaform... it lack of support... for IP phone i hope we will be able to get the same capability of the other system... |
| 14:47.31 | tim27 | ManxPower: wasim project is a IAX phonoe ??? |
| 14:47.36 | ManxPower | tim27, ADSI will work well with Asterisk evenuitally |
| 14:47.39 | ManxPower | tim27, Yes. |
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| 14:48.51 | tim27 | ManxPower: from what I hear from Tclark and Tzanger... it's not fully fully supported... the vmail is support... |
| 14:49.12 | tim27 | Sayson for example dont sell adsi with asterisk already loaded... |
| 14:49.17 | ManxPower | tim27, The more recent version of the ADSI spec is not supported, they are working on that. |
| 14:49.39 | ManxPower | tim27, It's trivial to load an ADSI script |
| 14:49.45 | tim27 | they say because asterisk is a open source they cant truly write a script that will fit for any one... |
| 14:50.18 | tim27 | trivial = easy ??? |
| 14:50.39 | ManxPower | tim27, I hope that several people will eventually release a "configuration standard" for Asterisk that will include the correct ADSI scripts for that configuration. |
| 14:51.17 | ManxPower | tim27, It took me less than 2 mins to configure asterisk to send one of the included ADSI scripts to an ADSI phone. |
| 14:51.25 | tim27 | sayson seem to be very supportive , i think they want to sell they phone and this can be a cheap solution for people who dont need SIP phone... |
| 14:51.48 | tim27 | ManxPower, which model , and it's was unlocked ??? |
| 14:52.00 | ManxPower | tim27, yes, it was unlocked Aastra 390 |
| 14:52.18 | ManxPower | exten => *228,1,ADSIProg(/etc/asterisk/asterisk.adsi) |
| 14:52.18 | tim27 | ManxPower: sayson have a web site to write script for the Aastra 390 and 480 |
| 14:52.24 | ManxPower | then call the extension from an ADSI phone. |
| 14:53.22 | tim27 | i think it visual, and you can make the phone download the script... but this will not be pratical if you have 20 phone to load... |
| 14:53.39 | ManxPower | *228 is the bellcore standard code for "over the air programming of a phone" They prolly meant cell phones, but the concept works for ADSI too. |
| 14:54.14 | tim27 | the slot 2 is the Self Lauching slot ???, where did you buy 390 unlocked |
| 14:56.11 | ManxPower | tim27, I was lucky. LOL! |
| 14:56.37 | ManxPower | I have not managed to load anything into the SL Slot, but I basically ran out of time and was in the process of moving. |
| 14:57.01 | tim27 | if i buy a 390 from bell, i will get trouble... because they are locked :( |
| 14:59.51 | ManxPower | Now I'm in the process of unpacking. LOL! |
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| 15:09.04 | rjb | morning everyone. has anyone come across a sip 2.4ghz 802.11b wireless phone? |
| 15:09.24 | tim27 | rjb : you saw some wireless sip ??? |
| 15:12.33 | rjb | i am looking for some. i have test cisco 7920, symbol, and spectralink but none of them use sip |
| 15:13.02 | rjb | symbol is working on sip for their handheld ppc scanner with softphone, but not really what i need |
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| 15:15.25 | tim27 | 1-2 year or two |
| 15:15.37 | tim27 | and all wireless things will be cheaper... |
| 15:15.38 | tim27 | :) |
| 15:15.51 | tim27 | any know cybiolink phone |
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| 15:20.33 | tim27 | any know if cybiolink ADSI phone are locked, and if it's possible to unlock them |
| 15:35.47 | tclark | cybiolink ADSI ara POS, flawed devices stay aways only use aastra 350, 390, 450, or 480's |
| 15:40.50 | tclark | coppice: with a large screen will probably be 100-150, not yet sayson have a tarket retail of us250, according to dave for the new 480i |
| 15:47.26 | ^apathy^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:47.35 | ^apathy^ | i think it's pulverinnovations.com |
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| 16:04.14 | end1r | hih |
| 16:04.22 | end1r | any admins from digium in here? |
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| 16:09.12 | tim27 | seem to be quiet.. |
| 16:09.34 | tim27 | ciego43: it's you that tried to make xlite work ??? |
| 16:09.52 | end1r | any admins from digium in here?> |
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| 16:10.19 | sacree | does asteriskpbx work with voicetronix hardware |
| 16:11.15 | ciego34 | hi |
| 16:11.15 | ciego34 | xlite... no |
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| 16:11.31 | tim27 | wrong person so |
| 16:11.43 | ciego34 | today my goal is upgrade my cisco 7960 from P0S3202 to V5.3 |
| 16:12.05 | tim27 | you have some cisco 7960 ??? |
| 16:13.49 | ciego34 | yes |
| 16:15.37 | ManxPower | sacree, It's supposed to work with VoiceTronix hardware, but I don't know the details or limitations. |
| 16:16.54 | sacree | a little bit |
| 16:16.56 | sacree | is it good |
| 16:17.24 | sacree | yes but it not like Televantage or Altigens which is critical |
| 16:17.55 | sacree | without guis people like me who are trying to adopt Linux are dead int he water |
| 16:18.01 | sacree | I am a novice |
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| 16:21.32 | sacree | later.... |
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| 16:24.39 | ciego34 | where can find voicepulse admins ??? |
| 16:25.47 | pmichalek | Hi all, Please help me to configure T100P with ZHone Zplex 10b. |
| 16:26.40 | pmichalek | It does not work me with lastest CVS. There is no voice in the phone |
| 16:40.04 | izo | pmichalek : whats you /etc/zaptel.coinf |
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| 16:44.50 | ciego34 | any way to eliminate echo with x110p ??? |
| 16:49.56 | SplasPood | hrm... anyone know why gnophone seems to think my /dev/dsp can't handle raw PCM data? |
| 16:54.30 | ciego34 | i need to test some changes at my *, any one with FWD sip account can call me??? |
| 16:58.33 | Mike | ciego34: dame el numero |
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| 17:00.27 | ciego34 | 85824 |
| 17:00.30 | ManxPower | . |
| 17:01.12 | Mike | ciego34: no se oia nada |
| 17:01.25 | ciego34 | mike you don´t ear me??? :( |
| 17:01.38 | Mike | nop |
| 17:01.57 | Mike | 0 |
| 17:02.00 | Mike | tu me olles? |
| 17:02.11 | ciego34 | si |
| 17:02.27 | Mike | seguramente estas usando softwarephones |
| 17:02.45 | ciego34 | cisco 7960 conectado a mi * |
| 17:03.08 | Mike | algo tienes mal configurado |
| 17:03.10 | Mike | algo de codecs |
| 17:03.49 | ciego34 | at sip.conf ?? |
| 17:04.21 | ciego34 | with some friend they can ear me bot me can´t ear they |
| 17:04.35 | ciego34 | any one can helpme with sip and * |
| 17:05.01 | Mike | algun firewall ? |
| 17:05.35 | ciego34 | linux box |
| 17:06.07 | ciego34 | TCP ALL 22 192.168.0.1 22 |
| 17:06.09 | ciego34 | TCP ALL 21 192.168.0.1 21 |
| 17:06.09 | ciego34 | TCP ALL 80 192.168.0.1 80 |
| 17:06.09 | ciego34 | UDP ALL 10000:20000 192.168.0.1 N/A |
| 17:06.09 | ciego34 | UDP ALL 5036 192.168.0.1 5036 |
| 17:06.09 | ciego34 | UDP ALL 5060 192.168.0.1 5060 |
| 17:06.17 | ciego34 | is my table |
| 17:07.07 | ciego34 | using smoothwall |
| 17:07.21 | ciego34 | 2.0 RC1 deltic |
| 17:07.37 | ciego34 | my * is 192.168.0.1 |
| 17:08.59 | ciego34 | using yesterday CVS - patch 104 |
| 17:11.54 | ciego34 | bkw_ help a little with * SIP problems |
| 17:15.38 | h3x | directory? |
| 17:16.07 | ciego34 | ? |
| 17:16.08 | h3x | oh |
| 17:17.35 | bkw_ | odbc can talk to ldap with proper drivers |
| 17:17.58 | ManxPower | bkw_, Oh!? Nifty. |
| 17:18.02 | h3x | lots of new stuff on bugs. since before i was watching a couple movies :P |
| 17:18.20 | ManxPower | bkw_, I wonder if odbc can calk to radius? |
| 17:18.26 | bkw_ | OH LORD |
| 17:18.30 | bkw_ | I bet it could with the proper driver |
| 17:18.32 | h3x | ummmmm |
| 17:18.40 | ManxPower | bkw_, The universe may explode, however. |
| 17:18.42 | bkw_ | just gotta setup an odbc driver for radius |
| 17:18.44 | h3x | i think youd want a radius specific driver so it can be used for authentication |
| 17:18.54 | bkw_ | EWWWW |
| 17:19.00 | bkw_ | man hell is about to bust wide open |
| 17:19.03 | bkw_ | haha |
| 17:19.03 | h3x | hahaha |
| 17:19.11 | h3x | you better rethink that unixodbc stuff |
| 17:19.14 | h3x | you are gonna get messages like |
| 17:19.17 | h3x | emails rather |
| 17:19.31 | h3x | Subject: CAN YOU HELP ME SET UP ASTERISK WITH MY MICROSOFT SQL SERVER 9 PLEASE??? |
| 17:19.34 | ciego34 | any one can help with * SIP behin NAT problems ?? |
| 17:19.44 | bkw_ | h3x oh lord.. we know MSSQL already works |
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| 17:19.54 | ManxPower | bkw_, Wouldn't it be better to write something like res_unixodbc and then code your apps to call the functions in that to do stuff, that way you centralize the odbc stuff and cdr_ and switch_ and directory_ etc, can use the same functions. |
| 17:20.05 | bkw_ | ManxPower thats coming |
| 17:20.24 | bkw_ | just getting basic odbc into the apps that are already Xsql aware |
| 17:20.30 | ManxPower | bkw_, assuming no licensing issues, it would be logical to make the odbc interface something available to all asterisk modules |
| 17:20.40 | bkw_ | unixODBC is lgpl |
| 17:20.42 | bkw_ | so we are safe |
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| 17:21.01 | bkw_ | kram has already expressed that he might want to standardize on it |
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| 17:21.35 | h3x | man |
| 17:21.41 | *** part/#asterisk raulfragoso (~raulfrago@200-204-142-71.dsl.telesp.net.br) |
| 17:21.45 | h3x | chan_agent is gonna be bigger than emacs |
| 17:21.49 | ManxPower | bkw_, maybe write a db_unixodbc module and let stuff call generic functions that would call db_unixodbc or db_postgressql, or db_ldap or db_radius, etc |
| 17:22.36 | ManxPower | or db_berkleydb 8-) |
| 17:22.43 | h3x | ew |
| 17:22.58 | ManxPower | h3x, DBPut and DBGet use berkley db |
| 17:25.07 | pmichalek | Hi all, Please help me to configure T100P with ZHone Zplex 10b. It does not work me with lastest CVS. There is no voice in the phone. My zaptel.conf: |
| 17:25.09 | pmichalek | span=1,0,0,esf,b8zs |
| 17:25.11 | pmichalek | fxoks=9-15 |
| 17:25.33 | h3x | i have an idea |
| 17:25.42 | h3x | im gonna program my adsi phone so it hangs up when... |
| 17:26.02 | h3x | well |
| 17:26.12 | h3x | the far end hangs up |
| 17:26.16 | h3x | i guess i have to figure out what to map that to |
| 17:29.42 | ciego34 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:29.43 | tclark | bkw_: i still can post a fscking update to the park patch can i email current one so you can post it on that bug |
| 17:34.06 | RoyK_T | ~seen kapejod |
| 17:34.07 | | kapejod is currently on #asterisk (4h 14m 53s). Has said a total of 2 messages. Is idling for 3h 56m 40s |
| 17:34.14 | RoyK_T | oh |
| 17:36.24 | tclark | hsx: chan_agent has to refactor's when one of us gets pissed enought at it ! |
| 17:36.55 | ciego34 | how to configure extencions for difference call to 1786 miami form 1700 iaxtel ?? |
| 17:37.18 | tclark | match using N not X |
| 17:37.18 | h3x | c |
| 17:37.37 | tclark | h3x: having grief in chan_agent yet ? |
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| 17:37.40 | h3x | use 91700NXXXXXX |
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| 17:38.04 | h3x | tclark: Im not actually using it right now. ive been waiting for these newer features to come about |
| 17:38.20 | h3x | i guess i could start playing with it again |
| 17:38.22 | tclark | the features are all in app_queue |
| 17:38.28 | ciego34 | and must call 91700 xxx xxxx for get iaxtel |
| 17:38.30 | h3x | yeah |
| 17:38.40 | ciego34 | thanks |
| 17:38.47 | h3x | exten => 917005554141,1,Dial(${TRUNK}/${EXTEN:1}) |
| 17:38.48 | h3x | exten => 917005554141,2,Congestion() |
| 17:38.53 | h3x | i found the lack of that working annoying :P |
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| 17:39.06 | h3x | jheh |
| 17:39.30 | ciego34 | helpme with * behing NAT |
| 17:39.35 | ciego34 | for SIP |
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| 17:40.50 | tclark | ciego34: see yerterdays post from lief something he claims with a patch on bugs.digium.com & redirect 5060 & rtp poprts he has it 'working great' |
| 17:41.14 | ciego34 | ok |
| 17:41.51 | tclark | bug 448 |
| 17:42.13 | ciego34 | thx |
| 17:43.07 | tclark | thats not it :( but the ml post says it is |
| 17:45.19 | tclark | ok its on 104 |
| 17:46.25 | ciego34 | i made that |
| 17:46.36 | ciego34 | patch my sip_chan.c |
| 17:46.40 | tclark | does it work for you ? |
| 17:47.14 | ciego34 | can you call me at 85824@fwd ?? |
| 17:47.29 | tclark | i dont have it applied :) |
| 17:47.51 | ciego34 | some ppl don´t ear me and other i don´t ear |
| 17:48.28 | tclark | all the rtp port in rtp.conf are redir to the * box |
| 17:48.30 | tclark | ?? |
| 17:49.07 | ciego34 | UDP ALL 10000:20000 192.168.0.1 N/A |
| 17:49.07 | ciego34 | UDP ALL 5036 192.168.0.1 5036 |
| 17:49.07 | ciego34 | UDP ALL 5060 192.168.0.1 5060 |
| 17:49.13 | ciego34 | may * is 192.168.0.1 |
| 17:51.27 | tclark | its time for etherral or tcpdump on your fw/and your * box i guess, not hearing isually rtp packet not going end to end, that might be cause my a number of factors the fw or the sip set up msgs |
| 17:52.32 | ciego34 | yes, ww was helpme las time and this was the problem, but start again |
| 17:53.01 | tclark | you could do some brain dead debuging to see if you are to blame by puitting * in front of the FW &make sure it works then yiou know all issues are your end |
| 17:54.03 | ciego34 | ok... that my goal today.... |
| 17:55.01 | tclark | why do ppl climb everest, just becuse they can :) |
| 17:55.30 | ciego34 | RoyK_T, still understand why if my 7960 work behing NAT, why * not |
| 17:57.24 | ciego34 | may * will need to use out_bound_proxy and port like cisco phones ;) |
| 17:57.35 | ciego34 | it work grat |
| 17:57.38 | ciego34 | great |
| 18:00.35 | ciego34 | bkw, what about patch 0000588 ??? |
| 18:02.27 | RoyK_T | ciego34: why don't you just use a SIP proxy??? |
| 18:03.19 | ciego34 | any linux SIP proxy??? for setup it in my linux router box?? |
| 18:03.28 | RoyK_T | sure |
| 18:04.07 | ciego34 | any info on how to setup * with sip proxy??? |
| 18:10.09 | denon | tclark: any word of that crash getting fixed? |
| 18:10.52 | tclark | chan_local ?? |
| 18:11.39 | denon | well .. not sure where the crash actually was, but you seemed to think my crash was the same as yours |
| 18:13.44 | tclark | same place in chan_local take a look at your bt & comapre to mine, no & it has not occured again |
| 18:14.02 | denon | well .. mine happened again, while i was out of town |
| 18:14.03 | denon | sucked |
| 18:14.11 | denon | had to fix it from a dialup |
| 18:14.49 | tclark | yup its a time bomb wait to go off & I have so many other task to attend to |
| 18:15.01 | tclark | do you have abt on that one as well ?? |
| 18:15.20 | tclark | is it the same as the other ? |
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| 18:24.23 | bkw_ | w00t |
| 18:24.26 | bkw_ | app_directory is my bitch |
| 18:24.30 | bkw_ | it talks odbc now |
| 18:24.35 | bkw_ | now to clean this mess up |
| 18:26.52 | blitzrage | afternoon all |
| 18:30.20 | tclark | bkw_: i still can't post a fscking update to the park patch can i email current one to you |
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| 18:33.40 | tzanger | tclark: " take the 5 mins while everyone is freaking out" |
| 18:33.43 | tzanger | tclark: A+ :-) |
| 18:34.47 | tclark | hehe, been there :) |
| 18:35.20 | tzanger | very informative post to -dev, thank you... |
| 18:35.37 | tzanger | hopefully a * dev will be able to help you further now |
| 18:35.48 | tclark | yea I hope some ppl that know way more than me will update that |
| 18:39.39 | bkw_ | tclark ya sure |
| 18:40.08 | doughecka | stupid! who makes scanning software that requires you to reenter the settings for each scan? |
| 18:42.50 | bkw_ | http://asterisk.bkw.org/patches/app_directory_unixodbc.diff |
| 18:42.54 | bkw_ | woooohooooo done |
| 18:43.01 | bkw_ | I still feel it needs work |
| 18:43.03 | bkw_ | but it works now. :P |
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| 18:45.34 | ciego34 | any recomendation for a linux SIP proxy?? |
| 18:49.01 | ciego34 | partysip compatible with *???? |
| 18:49.58 | ManxPower | ciego34, several people have tried to use a sip proxy with Asterisk, for the most part I think they just gave up and found it a LOT easier to put Asterisk outside a firewall |
| 18:51.10 | ciego34 | ok, i trying to find a sip proxy for install at my linux ruter box |
| 18:54.07 | blitzrage | ManxPower: there is a patch that allows * to work behind FW/NAT now |
| 18:54.13 | blitzrage | ManxPower: I'm using it right now. Works really good. |
| 18:54.18 | ciego34 | Manxpower>how can put my * outside firewall??? must put on DMZ |
| 18:54.18 | ciego34 | ?? |
| 18:54.41 | ManxPower | Hmm? So put it somewhere that isn't NATed. |
| 18:54.43 | blitzrage | ciego34: are you behind NAT? |
| 18:54.52 | ciego34 | yes |
| 18:54.57 | blitzrage | ciego34: * can't be behind NAT stock. |
| 18:55.05 | ciego34 | patch 104 |
| 18:55.13 | blitzrage | ciego34: right. Do you have it configured right? |
| 18:55.29 | ciego34 | ww >helpme friday |
| 18:55.34 | ManxPower | My current plan for a network of Asterisk of servers for the 9 offices, then one at a co-location facility to handle SIP clients outside of the corporate network. |
| 18:55.38 | blitzrage | ciego34: you should NOT need a sip proxy. It's a pain in the ass and not needed... |
| 18:55.45 | ManxPower | Use IAX between then, problem solved. |
| 18:55.52 | blitzrage | ManxPower: very nice :) |
| 18:56.13 | blitzrage | well, I should probably head out to Sarnia and see if I can find a place that will oil spray my car. |
| 18:56.21 | ciego34 | blitzraage> can you callme at 85824@fwd ?? |
| 18:56.24 | ManxPower | blitzrage, So far three of the servers are up and running and the co-location should happen in a month or two. |
| 18:56.51 | blitzrage | ManxPower: very very nice :) What are you building the large * network for? Just for the heck of it, or is it for a business? |
| 18:57.07 | ManxPower | blitzrage, putting it in at a customer. |
| 18:57.10 | blitzrage | ciego34: I'm heading out in about 2 mins. |
| 18:57.22 | ManxPower | And for myself and for some friends in New Orleans. |
| 18:57.33 | ciego34 | just 1min for test |
| 18:57.48 | blitzrage | ManxPower: very cool. I still need to learn some (lots) more about asterisk before I do any sort of business installation :) |
| 18:57.51 | ManxPower | So far we have three systems in for the customer and one in for myself and one in for the friends |
| 18:57.59 | blitzrage | ring |
| 18:58.16 | ciego34 | you don´t ear me?? |
| 18:58.21 | blitzrage | ciego34: it rang once.. and no, I don't hear you. |
| 18:58.22 | ManxPower | blitzrage, I prototyped it with the customer. Built my own for my home/office, then for the friends to test, then a prototype for the customer. |
| 18:58.23 | blitzrage | do you hear me? |
| 18:58.35 | ciego34 | no |
| 18:58.38 | blitzrage | ManxPower: not a bad idea. |
| 18:58.57 | blitzrage | ciego34: wierd. firewall issue? |
| 18:59.06 | blitzrage | blocking ports 10000-20000 ? |
| 18:59.27 | ManxPower | The friends get cool things like voicemail and extensions, and speed dialing and distinctive ring, etc and in exchange they have to be the beta testers. 8-) |
| 18:59.36 | blitzrage | ManxPower: haha |
| 18:59.38 | ciego34 | UDP ALL 10000:20000 192.168.0.1 N/A |
| 18:59.38 | ciego34 | UDP ALL 5036 192.168.0.1 5036 |
| 18:59.38 | ciego34 | UDP ALL 5060 192.168.0.1 5060 |
| 18:59.56 | blitzrage | ciego34: which file did you patch * with ? |
| 19:00.22 | blitzrage | welp, I better get going.. it's already 2pm, if I'm going ot get this car oil sprayed today, I gotta get on it |
| 19:00.31 | ManxPower | ciego34, SIP embeds IP addresses in the DATA part of the packet, where a NAT router doesn't look. therefore you need special settings for asterisk in addition to doing the port forwarding on the NAT box |
| 19:00.33 | ciego34 | 40... |
| 19:01.04 | blitzrage | ManxPower: have you checked out bug #104? very cool stuff. |
| 19:01.05 | ciego34 | ww helpme friday and work |
| 19:01.11 | ciego34 | now is down |
| 19:01.15 | ManxPower | blitzrage, not yet. |
| 19:01.28 | blitzrage | ManxPower: when you have a moment, check it out. Works really good for me. |
| 19:01.35 | ciego34 | yes i apply patch 104 |
| 19:01.44 | ManxPower | blitzrage, I've avoided needing NAT for now, except for nat clients and that's easy. |
| 19:02.09 | blitzrage | ManxPower: I have my * behind a linux based firewall/nat box, and sip works fine behind it if you do port forwarding now. |
| 19:02.26 | blitzrage | ManxPower: yah, I had avoided it as well, but now I can have Asterisk on my desktop machine.. :) |
| 19:03.03 | blitzrage | ok.. I'm out |
| 19:03.10 | ciego34 | bye |
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| 19:15.23 | bkw_ | WHATS NEXT!!!! WORLD PEACE! |
| 19:15.56 | ciego34 | nex is good doc for ppl |
| 19:16.47 | ciego34 | fr now * is a software for friki ppl |
| 19:17.27 | ciego34 | you need to know a lot of linux, networking, c, etc, etc |
| 19:17.55 | bkw_ | you calling me a freak? |
| 19:18.01 | bkw_ | a FREAK? |
| 19:18.03 | ciego34 | noooo |
| 19:18.08 | ciego34 | i´m a freak |
| 19:18.09 | bkw_ | oh wait..I am a freak.. nm |
| 19:19.04 | ciego34 | for normal ppl we are freak |
| 19:19.18 | tzanger | ciego34: and the problem is... |
| 19:19.24 | bkw_ | haha |
| 19:19.28 | ciego34 | none |
| 19:19.30 | bkw_ | do we want normal people around? |
| 19:19.37 | ciego34 | i´m happy to be a freak |
| 19:19.37 | bkw_ | they might be a bad influence |
| 19:19.37 | Pj_ | le freak, c'est chic |
| 19:19.48 | tzanger | when * gets too easy to use then everyone can make money with it... I like the smaller competitive environments :-) |
| 19:20.14 | Pj_ | tzanger: you don't need that to make money |
| 19:20.32 | bkw_ | 90% of the world is stupid.. and always will be |
| 19:20.35 | ciego34 | i like money, but if sheap phone call be to all will be good for world |
| 19:20.37 | Pj_ | you do it the microsoft way, you make it hard to get it to work so you can sell more service |
| 19:20.39 | ciego34 | li internet |
| 19:20.43 | ciego34 | like internet |
| 19:22.18 | ciego34 | i´m on internet world from 1991 and see how fast move, before internet we only can comunicate using long distanse call |
| 19:22.23 | doughecka | .h? |
| 19:22.29 | bkw_ | unixodbc_query(), unixodbc_connect(), unixodbc_close(), unixodbc_numrows(), |
| 19:22.30 | bkw_ | what else |
| 19:22.46 | bkw_ | doughecka so I can have a common set of routines |
| 19:22.51 | doughecka | unixodbc_numbskull() |
| 19:22.53 | doughecka | ah |
| 19:23.11 | bkw_ | all you need is.. connect, query, close |
| 19:23.19 | doughecka | sweet |
| 19:23.39 | bkw_ | http://asterisk.bkw.org/other/unixodbc-vm-routines.h |
| 19:23.43 | bkw_ | see unixodbc_do_query |
| 19:29.03 | tclark | bkw_: caching working ?? just mailed that patch for the nonpexisting park ext |
| 19:29.59 | doughecka | lol |
| 19:30.38 | bkw_ | tclark it will cache when it can.. but if the query changes it can't cache it |
| 19:30.43 | bkw_ | because it has to prepare it again |
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| 19:31.38 | tclark | you mean if the arg values change, of the actual sql insert stmt ?? |
| 19:31.39 | bkw_ | tclark send me that patch again |
| 19:31.45 | tclark | why ?? |
| 19:31.49 | doughecka | BASTIS! long time no see ever like now! |
| 19:32.01 | bastis | ??? |
| 19:32.07 | tclark | did your spam killer eat it ?? |
| 19:32.17 | bkw_ | tclark prepare escapes the query.. so you need to prepare |
| 19:32.18 | doughecka | bastis: hehehehehehehhe |
| 19:32.27 | bkw_ | I think odbc does all the caching it can |
| 19:32.32 | bkw_ | but the docs are non-existant |
| 19:32.37 | bastis | Its the first time i am here ... |
| 19:32.38 | bkw_ | so I can't tell for sure |
| 19:32.43 | doughecka | bastis: exactly |
| 19:32.57 | bastis | LOL! |
| 19:33.02 | bkw_ | tclark I seen it but I don't see it now |
| 19:33.06 | bkw_ | the patch that is |
| 19:33.35 | tclark | err ok resending yea maybe you should post to the unix odbc dev list, bcus you be able to cach the query & just chg the args |
| 19:33.55 | bkw_ | ya I need yet another list |
| 19:33.57 | bkw_ | haha |
| 19:34.10 | tclark | just to get the 1 q ans :) |
| 19:34.32 | bkw_ | ya hold on |
| 19:35.07 | ciego34 | any one here using * behin smoothwall ???? |
| 19:35.19 | doughecka | well |
| 19:35.22 | doughecka | I have an ipcop |
| 19:35.35 | doughecka | smoothwall is nasty and icky, trying to make you upgrade |
| 19:35.40 | doughecka | ipcop is smoothwall, but better |
| 19:35.41 | doughecka | :) |
| 19:35.59 | ciego34 | have sip proxy?? |
| 19:36.08 | doughecka | nope, only use ipcop at home |
| 19:36.14 | doughecka | but I know sip works great through it |
| 19:36.16 | tclark | bkw_: check email for that patch ..again :) |
| 19:36.17 | doughecka | incoming and outgoing |
| 19:36.24 | doughecka | without any port forwarding |
| 19:37.05 | ciego34 | let me read about ipcop |
| 19:37.19 | bkw_ | tclark ok still no go |
| 19:37.21 | bkw_ | hold on |
| 19:37.45 | doughecka | ciego34: ipcop is the same, really, its just its more "open" and not forcing you to upgrade ;) |
| 19:38.50 | bastis | Can anyboby tell if Asterisk is also able to make ISDN-Cards work as NT? |
| 19:38.56 | bkw_ | ok |
| 19:38.58 | bkw_ | tclark attached |
| 19:39.12 | doughecka | NT? |
| 19:39.21 | bastis | NT/TE.. |
| 19:39.26 | doughecka | TE? |
| 19:39.27 | doughecka | :) |
| 19:39.35 | doughecka | like, network terminal? |
| 19:39.45 | bastis | yep |
| 19:39.49 | doughecka | ah |
| 19:39.50 | doughecka | dunno |
| 19:39.54 | doughecka | asterisk is voip |
| 19:39.59 | doughecka | well no |
| 19:40.02 | doughecka | asterisk is voice |
| 19:40.04 | doughecka | pbx |
| 19:40.06 | doughecka | not data |
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| 19:41.28 | doughecka | but I suppose there are drivers |
| 19:41.59 | ciego34 | isdn4linux |
| 19:41.59 | bastis | The question is, if * you can only be connected to an ISDN Line (instead a phone or PBX) |
| 19:42.08 | ciego34 | digium cards |
| 19:42.28 | bastis | or also be a pbx with internal isdn lines |
| 19:42.32 | ciego34 | avm friz pci card |
| 19:42.37 | doughecka | internal? |
| 19:43.04 | bastis | internal- you connect an ISDN phone to asterisk |
| 19:43.07 | doughecka | asterisk does not need ANY hardware to work, but supports E1, T1, POTS, ISDN, voip, etc |
| 19:43.12 | doughecka | hmm, dunno |
| 19:43.20 | bkw_ | ok sending query to unixodbc-dev list |
| 19:43.21 | doughecka | ciego34: possible? |
| 19:43.33 | ciego34 | i think no |
| 19:43.49 | ciego34 | isdn phones connected to * |
| 19:44.20 | ciego34 | you will need a isdn act like phone central |
| 19:44.20 | Mike | bkw_: do you use aggresive echo cancel? |
| 19:44.47 | bastis | ciego34: I think I read sth about it, but can't find it again... |
| 19:44.48 | bkw_ | nope |
| 19:44.50 | bkw_ | Mike nope |
| 19:45.02 | Mike | bkw_: you have no echo problems? |
| 19:45.17 | doughecka | bkw_: hows the ata cracking going? |
| 19:45.17 | bkw_ | nope |
| 19:45.18 | doughecka | :) |
| 19:45.22 | bkw_ | doughecka I gave up for now |
| 19:45.28 | bkw_ | I have been busy with this odbc stuff |
| 19:45.38 | doughecka | ah |
| 19:45.39 | bkw_ | tclark I sent a query to the unixodbc-dev list aout the cache query stuff |
| 19:45.54 | bkw_ | maybe they can tell me whats right or if unixODBC will cache automagically or not |
| 19:47.04 | doughecka | hahah |
| 19:47.14 | doughecka | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:48.24 | bastis | ciego34: what do you mean? |
| 19:49.04 | ciego34 | sorry |
| 19:49.49 | ciego34 | don´t know to mush about isdn phones |
| 19:50.05 | doughecka | why do you need to use isdn phones |
| 19:50.40 | ciego34 | is my question too |
| 19:50.49 | ciego34 | voip phone is better |
| 19:51.14 | doughecka | indeed |
| 19:51.22 | doughecka | unless you dont want/have a network |
| 19:51.36 | doughecka | or you manufacture isdn phones :P |
| 19:51.51 | ciego34 | ajajajaja |
| 19:55.51 | bastis | ciego34: I agree but, I am trying to build a ISDN oder IP bridge |
| 19:57.09 | ciego34 | you know any card or hard connected to a linux pc act like isdn phone central?? |
| 19:59.37 | bastis | ciego 34:I read sth somewhere about a software that turned a regular ISDN card like AVMfritz! into a pbx |
| 20:00.27 | ciego34 | don´t read about |
| 20:00.29 | bastis | you only needed to an additional power source, because there is not enough power from the pc |
| 20:00.45 | *** join/#asterisk erik2 (~eanders@host-127-202-220-24.midco.net) |
| 20:00.48 | bastis | oops .... you only neeeded .... |
| 20:00.53 | ciego34 | a lot of doc about isdn on net |
| 20:01.17 | bastis | yeah but did not find it again |
| 20:01.25 | bastis | :-(( |
| 20:02.18 | bastis | the programm was written by a german student as a project for university |
| 20:02.24 | ciego34 | look at history in your browser |
| 20:02.36 | bastis | was on a different pc |
| 20:02.39 | ciego34 | yo can do a search |
| 20:02.48 | doughecka | ~google for isdn AVMfritz power |
| 20:02.57 | doughecka | huh |
| 20:03.32 | bastis | I know, but the software was a PBX for linux with no VOIP |
| 20:03.57 | doughecka | vocal? |
| 20:04.00 | doughecka | hmm |
| 20:04.04 | doughecka | no, thats voip only :) |
| 20:04.05 | bastis | just ISDN |
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| 20:04.41 | bastis | Voice over bits |
| 20:04.46 | bastis | :-) |
| 20:04.54 | doughecka | hah |
| 20:04.58 | bastis | No Internet Protocol |
| 20:05.22 | doughecka | hmm, |
| 20:05.27 | bastis | Whereas ISDN is all digital |
| 20:05.50 | bastis | Well just thougt somebody could tell here |
| 20:06.04 | doughecka | asterisk is better |
| 20:06.05 | doughecka | :P |
| 20:06.25 | many | x |
| 20:06.28 | bastis | That is why I want * to interoperate with ISDN |
| 20:06.36 | doughecka | hmm |
| 20:06.57 | bastis | Asterisk performs the phone centre |
| 20:07.07 | bastis | ooops SORRY center |
| 20:07.28 | bastis | ;-) |
| 20:08.00 | doughecka | haha |
| 20:08.02 | doughecka | colour |
| 20:08.24 | bastis | which? |
| 20:08.32 | doughecka | purple |
| 20:08.44 | bastis | oh! |
| 20:08.56 | doughecka | or blue |
| 20:08.59 | doughecka | blue is betta |
| 20:09.08 | bastis | yeah |
| 20:09.52 | bastis | listen (look), doughecka, I have to go now... |
| 20:10.05 | doughecka | oh? |
| 20:10.19 | doughecka | whatever for? |
| 20:10.20 | doughecka | :) |
| 20:10.30 | doughecka | your supposed to hang on irc till your death |
| 20:10.36 | bastis | well you know there is a live beside phones and IP |
| 20:10.52 | bastis | and iRC |
| 20:10.58 | doughecka | hah |
| 20:11.02 | doughecka | really? |
| 20:11.10 | doughecka | ARG, this ball of fire in the sky! |
| 20:11.15 | bastis | I am speaking for mayself |
| 20:11.34 | doughecka | haha |
| 20:12.02 | bastis | thank you saying hello at the beginning |
| 20:12.14 | doughecka | hah |
| 20:12.15 | doughecka | np |
| 20:12.32 | bastis | I'll remember that in my "real" life... |
| 20:12.36 | Muckl | doughecka: never been out in the big blue room, ugh? ;) |
| 20:12.44 | doughecka | ahh |
| 20:12.53 | bkw_ | ok I have 6 patches to apply to my * install now |
| 20:12.55 | bkw_ | er make that 7 |
| 20:12.58 | bastis | ok gotta go now |
| 20:13.10 | Mike | bkw_: if you have no echo problems and you put echocancellation does it matter? |
| 20:13.13 | doughecka | bastis: cya |
| 20:13.25 | bkw_ | Mike I get echo for about 5 second on a call then it goes away |
| 20:13.25 | bastis | bye |
| 20:13.41 | Mike | bkw_: and you have echocancallation=yes? |
| 20:13.51 | bastis | CU (that works on ISDN as well!) |
| 20:14.07 | bkw_ | Mike yes |
| 20:14.20 | doughecka | haha |
| 20:14.21 | Mike | echocancelwhenbridged=yes? |
| 20:14.21 | Mike | also? |
| 20:14.27 | bastis | Tschüss und Grüße |
| 20:14.35 | Mike | echotraining=yes |
| 20:14.36 | Mike | ? |
| 20:15.22 | bkw_ | yes |
| 20:15.25 | bkw_ | I just turned that on |
| 20:15.29 | bkw_ | and I get NO echo at all now |
| 20:15.39 | Mike | what echotraining? |
| 20:16.18 | bkw_ | it pretrains the echo can |
| 20:16.21 | bkw_ | it seems to work now |
| 20:16.25 | bkw_ | it was giving hell with dtmf |
| 20:16.50 | doughecka | bkw_: heh, I would test that out... |
| 20:17.01 | doughecka | cept your unixodbc made the whole drive ro |
| 20:17.01 | doughecka | :P |
| 20:17.06 | Mike | dtmf? |
| 20:17.18 | Mike | rxgain=5.0 |
| 20:17.18 | Mike | txgain=5.0 |
| 20:17.20 | Mike | that ok? |
| 20:18.21 | bkw_ | doughecka no it doesn't |
| 20:18.27 | bkw_ | Mike just try stuff |
| 20:18.53 | bkw_ | doughecka your smokin crack |
| 20:18.53 | doughecka | you cant break anything |
| 20:18.57 | Mike | bkw_: what stuff |
| 20:18.58 | Mike | ? |
| 20:19.12 | bkw_ | Mike just try diffrent settings till it works |
| 20:19.23 | bkw_ | dont keep asking because everyone finds diffrent settings that work for them |
| 20:20.00 | bkw_ | OMG I love this echotraining |
| 20:20.08 | bkw_ | ZERO ECHO right off the bat |
| 20:20.10 | doughecka | oh? |
| 20:20.13 | bkw_ | no more 5-10 seconds |
| 20:20.14 | doughecka | latest CVS? |
| 20:20.25 | doughecka | or is it some huge collection of patches |
| 20:20.32 | Mike | bkw_: say thanks mike:P |
| 20:23.04 | bkw_ | no |
| 20:23.10 | bkw_ | echotraning still fucks up dtmf |
| 20:23.11 | bkw_ | blah |
| 20:23.30 | doughecka | blah |
| 20:24.18 | Mike | i get less echo with 4.0 |
| 20:24.21 | *** join/#asterisk bbb1 (~bbb@hoochie.digium.com) |
| 20:24.26 | Mike | should i do 6.0 |
| 20:24.28 | Mike | or 3.5 |
| 20:24.29 | Mike | ¿ |
| 20:25.07 | bkw_ | just try it |
| 20:25.10 | bkw_ | jesus |
| 20:25.22 | doughecka | haha |
| 20:25.44 | Mike | each call costs me |
| 20:25.50 | Mike | i dont have unlimited calls |
| 20:26.33 | Mike | im learning asterisk to lower my phone bill |
| 20:26.34 | Mike | :P |
| 20:26.37 | Mike | to to increment it |
| 20:26.43 | bkw_ | then no POTS you shouldn't have echo |
| 20:26.48 | bkw_ | I call out via nufone fine.. |
| 20:26.50 | bkw_ | no echo |
| 20:26.56 | Mike | nufone? |
| 20:27.03 | bkw_ | www.nufone.net |
| 20:27.15 | Mike | lets see |
| 20:27.43 | Mike | they rent servers for voip ? |
| 20:32.58 | Mike | 3.8 seems to work better |
| 20:34.28 | doughecka | Mike: the lower the gain, the less echo, but the lower the sound gets |
| 20:34.43 | lecram | could someone check IAXTEL -> FWD dialing? |
| 20:35.18 | Mike | i set it to 0.0 but people says it listen very low my voice |
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| 20:36.26 | doughecka | hmm |
| 20:36.36 | doughecka | make it a 1 then... |
| 20:36.36 | doughecka | :P |
| 20:37.17 | Mike | ok 0.0 eliminates all the echo |
| 20:37.27 | Mike | HEHE i prefer them to listen my lower |
| 20:37.30 | Mike | than i hearing echo |
| 20:37.31 | Mike | :P |
| 20:37.33 | doughecka | hah |
| 20:37.37 | doughecka | make it .5 and test :) |
| 20:37.44 | doughecka | it might introduce alittle echo |
| 20:37.47 | Mike | damn but theres no echo at 0.0 |
| 20:37.48 | Mike | :P |
| 20:37.49 | Mike | lol |
| 20:37.51 | doughecka | hmm |
| 20:37.55 | Mike | .5 will give me .5 more of echo:P |
| 20:38.01 | doughecka | no |
| 20:38.03 | Mike | i prefer them saying WHAT??? |
| 20:38.06 | Mike | what did you say??? |
| 20:38.07 | Mike | :P |
| 20:38.16 | doughecka | .5 is .5 extra db |
| 20:38.23 | doughecka | its not linier |
| 20:38.25 | Mike | no extra echo? |
| 20:38.51 | doughecka | dunno |
| 20:38.54 | doughecka | try it and see |
| 20:39.05 | Mike | yes ALOT of echo with .5 |
| 20:39.07 | Mike | ill do it .0 |
| 20:40.04 | Mike | well what do you prefer quality for you or quality for |
| 20:40.07 | Mike | outside people |
| 20:40.08 | Mike | :P |
| 20:41.00 | doughecka | hmm |
| 20:41.04 | doughecka | outside people :) |
| 20:41.24 | Mike | NO |
| 20:41.25 | Mike | :P |
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| 20:44.24 | kamtorus | hi, is there any french guys here ? |
| 20:45.09 | doughecka | ~x en fr hi, is there any french guys here ? |
| 20:45.19 | doughecka | HAH! |
| 20:45.31 | kamtorus | bien jbot :) |
| 20:46.26 | kamtorus | pas d'autres francais ? |
| 20:46.37 | doughecka | ~x fr en pas d'autres francais ? |
| 20:46.40 | tessier | Voulez Vous Coucher Avec Moi? |
| 20:46.49 | doughecka | ~x fr en Voulez Vous Coucher Avec Moi? |
| 20:46.49 | tessier | That's all the French I speak. |
| 20:46.53 | tessier | What else do I really need? |
| 20:46.54 | doughecka | ahahahahaha |
| 20:47.03 | kamtorus | lol |
| 20:47.52 | tessier | Voulez Vous Coucher Avec Moi Ce Soir? |
| 20:48.08 | doughecka | ~x fr en Voulez Vous Coucher Avec Moi Ce Soir? |
| 20:48.26 | Mike | damn i want a wisip hopefully i get it for xmas |
| 20:48.26 | Mike | :P |
| 20:48.27 | tessier | Yeah, I'm in a hurry because it's been a while. |
| 20:48.42 | doughecka | ~x fr en tu parles francais ? |
| 20:48.54 | doughecka | ~x en fr no |
| 20:49.23 | doughecka | ~x fr en y a un traducteur automatique ? |
| 20:49.26 | tessier | With just a little luck I'm gonna get some this weekend. She's a hottie. |
| 20:49.41 | tessier | She's already told me she wants it. Just need to make our schedules line up. :) |
| 20:49.52 | doughecka | ~x fr de y a un traducteur automatique ? |
| 20:50.17 | doughecka | ~x de es dort hat ein automatischer Ãœbersetzer? |
| 20:50.25 | doughecka | oh well |
| 20:50.26 | doughecka | :) |
| 20:51.07 | doughecka | ~x de en dort hat ein automatischer Ãœbersetzer? |
| 20:51.38 | doughecka | haa |
| 20:51.50 | Mike | hey guys whats the best holdonmusic for a house pbx? |
| 20:51.59 | Mike | i guess rap is not working:P |
| 20:52.13 | doughecka | classicle |
| 20:52.13 | doughecka | :P |
| 20:52.22 | Mike | you gotta be joking |
| 20:52.22 | Mike | ? |
| 20:52.35 | doughecka | its thee beste |
| 20:52.45 | Mike | really? |
| 20:52.47 | lecram | some nice slow classicle would be the least annoying thing to put in there :) |
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| 20:52.55 | doughecka | up |
| 20:53.08 | Mike | you guys have some mp3s? |
| 20:53.13 | doughecka | HAH |
| 20:53.19 | doughecka | and get put in jail? |
| 20:53.32 | Mike | oh come on mpaa wont be sitting in here |
| 20:53.35 | Mike | :P |
| 20:53.48 | Mike | and if i like it i will buy the cds :P if not i will delete em in 24hours |
| 20:53.49 | Mike | :P |
| 20:53.50 | doughecka | at [Barney] |
| 20:53.55 | doughecka | hah |
| 20:54.00 | Mike | :P |
| 20:54.03 | Mike | promess |
| 20:54.04 | Mike | lol |
| 20:54.09 | doughecka | uh huh |
| 20:54.11 | doughecka | DCC |
| 20:54.12 | doughecka | ? |
| 20:54.13 | doughecka | :) |
| 20:54.17 | Mike | yeah why not |
| 20:54.18 | Mike | :P |
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| 20:59.29 | ahmed | hi all |
| 21:00.37 | ahmed | I want to record incoming/outgoing calls, can digium cards of help here? |
| 21:01.00 | Mike | ahmed: thats a crime |
| 21:01.25 | doughecka | no it aint |
| 21:01.25 | ahmed | no no....for quality purpose....using over own PBX! |
| 21:01.26 | doughecka | :P |
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| 21:01.36 | xpasha_home_away | hi all |
| 21:01.38 | Mike | if i was a father of 3 girls i would do it:P |
| 21:01.45 | Mike | but since im not a father then i dont have to |
| 21:01.46 | Mike | :P |
| 21:02.00 | xpasha_home | hey ppl |
| 21:02.07 | xpasha_home | I have such problem: |
| 21:02.26 | xpasha_home | I have asterisk 0.5 and cisco phone 7960 |
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| 21:02.39 | xpasha_home | gate as5350 connected to city pbx by pri |
| 21:02.55 | Mike | damn i wish i could have one of those |
| 21:03.00 | xpasha_home | when i call from asterisk to city I have one subscriber on line |
| 21:03.06 | xpasha_home | when I do conferenceing |
| 21:03.24 | Mike | my barbie tones suck |
| 21:03.29 | xpasha_home | I need to dial some additional digits in order to get other man for conversation |
| 21:03.57 | xpasha_home | but it doesnt want to send dtmf in this second call :( |
| 21:04.08 | *** join/#asterisk illc0mmm (~illc0mm@65349hfc242.tampabay.rr.com) |
| 21:04.10 | xpasha_home | and this is because of asterisk |
| 21:04.19 | illc0mmm | hey, I need some help with tracking down my echo |
| 21:04.19 | xpasha_home | direct connect by sip to cisco is ok |
| 21:05.59 | tholo | ~x no en snakker du norsk |
| 21:06.08 | tholo | Bah. |
| 21:06.34 | illc0mmm | anyone have experience with tracking down echo problems |
| 21:06.55 | illc0mmm | I have a new wire from the PSTN to my TDM400P |
| 21:07.42 | Mike | illc0mmm: i just tryed echotraining and rxgain 0.0 txgain 0.0 |
| 21:07.44 | Mike | echo gone now |
| 21:08.12 | illc0mmm | Mike: that's really just a patch though |
| 21:08.17 | illc0mmm | right? |
| 21:08.40 | Mike | what do you mean |
| 21:08.41 | Mike | ? |
| 21:08.57 | illc0mmm | Well, the echo is caused by something else supposedly, not by the digium hardware |
| 21:09.05 | illc0mmm | so the echo training is just a workaround |
| 21:09.10 | illc0mmm | that's what I've read anyway |
| 21:09.10 | Mike | well the wierd thing is that normal phones dont make echo |
| 21:09.13 | illc0mmm | right |
| 21:09.14 | Mike | but asterisk does make it |
| 21:09.24 | illc0mmm | brb |
| 21:09.24 | Mike | so i guess its configuration mostly |
| 21:09.47 | Mike | when i plug a normal rj11 phone in the rj11 line directly to the telco i get NO echo |
| 21:10.00 | Mike | i plug the same line in x100p and i get tons of echo |
| 21:10.18 | Mike | so i guess you should try setting the asterisk echo cancellation |
| 21:10.24 | Mike | the echotraining |
| 21:10.31 | Mike | rxgain and txgain settings |
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| 21:13.09 | illc0mmm | mike: http://www.voip-info.org/tiki-index.php?page=Asterisk%20echo%20cancellation |
| 21:14.44 | Mike | i had read that like 10 times now |
| 21:14.48 | illc0mmm | oh |
| 21:14.55 | illc0mmm | the top part was what I was looking at |
| 21:15.20 | illc0mmm | I saw some other stuff too about running a new like, different analog handsets, etc... |
| 21:15.23 | Mike | i really see that as a excuse:) |
| 21:15.30 | Mike | i connect my normal phone and theres no echo |
| 21:15.33 | Mike | the balance lines |
| 21:15.34 | Mike | bah |
| 21:15.36 | Mike | :P |
| 21:15.42 | illc0mmm | No, that is true |
| 21:15.54 | illc0mmm | the reason why the digium picks it up is because it's reversing it |
| 21:15.55 | Mike | well i dont hear echo on normal phones |
| 21:16.01 | illc0mmm | right |
| 21:16.05 | Mike | then its hardware problem |
| 21:16.09 | illc0mmm | not really |
| 21:16.23 | illc0mmm | it may just amplify it |
| 21:16.47 | illc0mmm | funny thing is. If I dial out, no echo |
| 21:16.49 | illc0mmm | dial in, echo |
| 21:16.51 | illc0mmm | who knows |
| 21:17.02 | illc0mmm | I was just trying to follow the other suggestions I saw |
| 21:17.58 | illc0mmm | http://www.cisco.com/en/US/tech/tk652/tk701/technologies_white_paper09186a00800d6b68.shtml#1041293 |
| 21:19.24 | illc0mmm | This is interesting to me: The analog telephone terminal itself presents a load to the PBX. This load should be matched to the output impedance of the source device (FXS port). Some (inexpensive) telephones are not matched to the output impedance of the FXS port and are sources of echo. Headsets are particularly notorious for poor echo performance. |
| 21:19.54 | illc0mmm | Of course, I'm using a $238 harris test set.... |
| 21:20.04 | illc0mmm | so I don't think that's the issue |
| 21:22.14 | Mike | The most common cause of echo is an unbalanced hybrid at the PSTN to TDM interface. |
| 21:22.20 | Mike | what does that suppost to mean |
| 21:22.21 | Mike | ? |
| 21:25.29 | illc0mmm | Hybrid is the 4 wire to two wire conversion |
| 21:25.41 | illc0mmm | you know how you handset is 4 wire a transmit and receive pair |
| 21:26.01 | illc0mmm | and you telephone is two wire |
| 21:26.06 | bkw_ | any requests? |
| 21:26.15 | illc0mmm | umm, I've not used it yet? |
| 21:26.25 | illc0mmm | does it have a leader function? |
| 21:26.35 | illc0mmm | or moderator I guess |
| 21:26.41 | illc0mmm | is that right? |
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| 21:28.45 | lecram | bkw: supervisor menu |
| 21:29.40 | lecram | switch incoming lines to listen-only |
| 21:29.45 | illc0mmm | Mike. I guess the problem usually can't be solved locally anyway. |
| 21:29.59 | illc0mmm | According to this document, the echo would have to be further down the line. |
| 21:30.16 | illc0mmm | but that's providing that it's not your analog phone |
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| 21:30.47 | lecram | bkw: and back to normal for the question round at the end of a presentation :) |
| 21:32.43 | illc0mmm | Iecram: Yes I like that |
| 21:33.37 | illc0mmm | Also, I know of an auction I did over the phone. It was moderator only, but you could hit your # key to get voice. I'm not sure how they approved who had voice on the other end, but I could see that being useful. |
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| 21:34.30 | Zoran | anyone there familiar with CSTA or CTI in general? |
| 21:34.31 | lecram | illc0mmm: that would just put up a flag next to your extension on the operator's display |
| 21:34.48 | illc0mmm | cool |
| 21:34.58 | illc0mmm | yeah, I see that being useful |
| 21:35.29 | lecram | yes, but there is no operator's display with asterisk :) so that might be a bit of a problem for now |
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| 21:39.18 | illc0mmm | mike |
| 21:39.35 | illc0mmm | did you use echocancel and echcancelwhenbridged as well? |
| 21:40.06 | illc0mmm | lecram: yeah, that needs to be addressed |
| 21:40.17 | illc0mmm | I guess it is being addressed, but not officially |
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| 21:42.14 | lecram | also something like *0 for operator assistance might be usefull |
| 21:44.22 | many | heh |
| 21:44.23 | many | like |
| 21:44.28 | many | TANK! I NEED AN EXIT! |
| 21:44.30 | many | ? |
| 21:44.31 | many | :-) |
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| 21:45.29 | lecram | bkw: might be nice to give the meetme app it's own management interface |
| 21:45.46 | illc0mmm | shouldn't it just be part of the API? |
| 21:45.52 | illc0mmm | the management API? |
| 21:46.12 | illc0mmm | Then it could have a web interface, telnet interface, whatever... |
| 21:46.34 | JerJer | lecram: why its own? just add hooks to the asterisk manager |
| 21:46.35 | illc0mmm | okay, what's this about? == Zap/1-1 got tired of being parked |
| 21:46.53 | illc0mmm | does that mean the user on Zap/1-1 hung up? |
| 21:47.12 | lecram | because then all the conference details would not need to go through *, but stay within the meetme app |
| 21:47.39 | illc0mmm | lecram: what are the details? |
| 21:47.52 | illc0mmm | lecram: just trying to get an idea of the complexity |
| 21:49.18 | lecram | I don't know... |
| 21:49.47 | mrhyd3 | is there a setting on the X100P to let call waiting come thru without hanging up if you hit flash? |
| 21:50.01 | xpasha_home | who develop Skinny for asterisk? |
| 21:50.30 | lecram | but is there a seperation of access levels on the main management interface? |
| 21:50.37 | illc0mmm | mrhyd3, you have to make a setting in extensions.conf that will flash the x100p |
| 21:51.21 | JerJer | xpasha_home: i did |
| 21:51.28 | mrhyd3 | well, I can hear the call come in, but if I flash it, it hangs up. |
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| 21:52.44 | mrhyd3 | illc0mmm: whats this setting you're talking about? |
| 21:54.36 | Exomorph | Hey peoples |
| 21:56.09 | xpasha_home | JerJer what version of ip phone firmware I need to run it with your module? |
| 21:56.17 | xpasha_home | I have 7960 |
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| 21:58.11 | JerJer | I used a CCMv3.1 fimware |
| 21:58.28 | l-fy | boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 21:58.37 | l-fy | JerJer : are you scared? |
| 21:58.40 | JerJer | mainly cuz it lets you use a XML config file |
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| 22:00.49 | xpasha_home | JerJer ok |
| 22:01.03 | bkw_ | muhahahah |
| 22:01.14 | bkw_ | tclark its up to the ODBC driver to do with it what it wants.. |
| 22:01.33 | bkw_ | I can prepare the statement but the driver that i'm using will have the final word |
| 22:02.27 | xpasha_home | hmm |
| 22:02.32 | xpasha_home | cant understand this |
| 22:03.11 | xpasha_home | I try to connect other user in order to make conference |
| 22:03.18 | xpasha_home | using sip 7960 |
| 22:03.29 | illc0mmm | mrhyd3: http://www.voip-info.org/tiki-index.php?page=Asterisk%20cmd%20Flash |
| 22:03.30 | xpasha_home | and second call doesnt translate DTMF |
| 22:03.33 | xpasha_home | what the shit? |
| 22:03.37 | xpasha_home | who can tell it? |
| 22:03.42 | xpasha_home | why? |
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| 22:05.38 | asd | hi to all |
| 22:05.55 | xpasha_home | hi |
| 22:06.22 | asd | jerjer your H323 module support fast start ? |
| 22:06.49 | bkw_ | yes |
| 22:06.52 | bkw_ | its the default |
| 22:07.02 | lorena | support for default ? |
| 22:07.07 | ciego34 | hi iptel.org sip express router can solve my * behin nat problems???? |
| 22:07.09 | lorena | ok.. thank sir |
| 22:07.22 | bkw_ | ciego34 no patch 104 can |
| 22:08.04 | ciego34 | bkw_ > have patch 104 on my * and not solve my problems |
| 22:08.52 | illc0mmm | Anyone using Skinny + * ? |
| 22:09.21 | xpasha_home | I try to upload sccp version of firmware there |
| 22:09.23 | xpasha_home | %) |
| 22:09.42 | xpasha_home | in cisco phone |
| 22:09.49 | bkw_ | ciego34 you did it wrong then.. have you read the bug notes? |
| 22:09.52 | tim27 | any got suggestion for computer, (board, ram , and cpu ) 2 lines 5 extensions setup... |
| 22:09.57 | bkw_ | the conf directives have cahnged |
| 22:10.11 | bkw_ | tim27 1ghz and 256-512MB will do it |
| 22:10.18 | xpasha_home | cant understand why cisco puts on their software center exe file but not just firmware image |
| 22:10.18 | bkw_ | nothing over powered |
| 22:10.29 | bkw_ | xpasha_home you can extract those |
| 22:10.33 | xpasha_home | how? |
| 22:10.36 | bkw_ | search google on how to extrack a cab file |
| 22:10.41 | xpasha_home | heh |
| 22:10.45 | xpasha_home | $) |
| 22:10.51 | bkw_ | to them stupid cisco exe files |
| 22:11.06 | bkw_ | but i'm not one to gossip so you didn't hear that from me |
| 22:11.10 | bkw_ | I think its comp6.exe |
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| 22:16.30 | xpasha_home | shit |
| 22:16.36 | xpasha_home | cant extract cab files |
| 22:16.53 | xpasha_home | bkw_ how to do an extraction? |
| 22:18.11 | xpasha_home | seems to be it's not usual windows cab |
| 22:18.21 | many | cabextract - a program to extract Microsoft Cabinet files |
| 22:19.41 | xpasha_home | I need it under windows |
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| 22:23.58 | wijnando | evening :) |
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| 22:24.52 | xpasha_home | shit |
| 22:24.58 | xpasha_home | it has two cab files inside |
| 22:25.01 | xpasha_home | data1.cab |
| 22:25.06 | xpasha_home | data2.cab |
| 22:25.19 | xpasha_home | and all utilities say it's not cab |
| 22:25.32 | wijnando | is there someone here who can tell me if i can bind a specific ttyIx to one of my hisax isdn card when i want to make outbound calls with asterisk ? .... |
| 22:25.33 | xpasha_home | or demonstrate empty content |
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| 22:28.42 | bkw_ | blah |
| 22:28.48 | bkw_ | cabextract isn't it |
| 22:28.54 | bkw_ | its an installshield cab |
| 22:28.59 | xpasha_home | yes |
| 22:29.04 | bkw_ | you need to search how to extract installshield cabs |
| 22:29.09 | xpasha_home | heh |
| 22:29.09 | bkw_ | I got sometong of sourceforge |
| 22:29.10 | xpasha_home | shit |
| 22:29.13 | bkw_ | er something |
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| 22:29.34 | bkw_ | I hate how args are passed to apps |
| 22:29.40 | bkw_ | this makes things hard to do |
| 22:29.43 | bkw_ | FUCKING CRAZY |
| 22:30.31 | bkw_ | app_meetme needs a facelift |
| 22:31.03 | mrhyd3 | lol |
| 22:32.32 | lorena | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:32.35 | lorena | what is it ? |
| 22:32.58 | lecram | bkw: womething to think off - Operator interface, with multiple conferences per operator/ operators per conference |
| 22:33.13 | lecram | xpasha: http://www.myplc.com/sony/i6comp_howto.htm |
| 22:33.49 | bkw_ | ya that was it |
| 22:33.52 | bkw_ | something 6 comp |
| 22:33.53 | bkw_ | haha |
| 22:33.58 | bkw_ | i'm lysdexic |
| 22:35.11 | bkw_ | tholo can you help me for a few? |
| 22:35.20 | bkw_ | I need input |
| 22:35.24 | tholo | I might be able to... |
| 22:35.31 | tholo | Yes, using alloca() is okay. ;-) |
| 22:35.42 | bkw_ | ok say I want to have a conf that is 60 min long exactly.. IE hang up when the timeout is hit |
| 22:36.01 | bkw_ | tholo yes.. but man page says alloca is bad |
| 22:36.09 | bkw_ | but anyway.. thats not the issue |
| 22:36.10 | tholo | Yeah, yeah. ;-) |
| 22:36.17 | bkw_ | cdr_mysql uses alloca |
| 22:36.22 | tholo | 60 minutes from creation, or 60 minutes from first login? |
| 22:36.30 | bkw_ | 60 min from first login |
| 22:36.38 | tholo | ast_strdupa() is really strdupa() is really alloca() + strcpy. |
| 22:36.42 | bkw_ | but I want it to be an option called from extensions.conf |
| 22:37.02 | tholo | Can't that be handled using the new AGI stuff in meetme? |
| 22:37.21 | bkw_ | yes you could.. |
| 22:37.22 | xpasha_home | lecram tnx it works $) |
| 22:37.35 | bkw_ | ok next tax |
| 22:37.37 | bkw_ | er task |
| 22:37.49 | bkw_ | that one just lost my intrest |
| 22:38.05 | tholo | Not sure about sending arguments to that AGI tho -- not sure that can be done from extensions.conf |
| 22:38.21 | bkw_ | bet the agi would have the conf number and could look that up |
| 22:38.31 | bkw_ | I would like to tie odbc into meetme |
| 22:38.36 | bkw_ | for conf auth and management |
| 22:38.38 | tholo | Eww. :) |
| 22:38.46 | lecram | oh goody :) |
| 22:38.53 | bkw_ | but ewww is right |
| 22:38.54 | tholo | Fleshing out the admin part of Meetme is certainly needed. |
| 22:39.08 | tholo | Whether it uses ODBC or not. |
| 22:39.17 | bkw_ | odbc offers alot of goodies! |
| 22:39.19 | bkw_ | :) |
| 22:39.57 | bkw_ | ok I feel evil.. I must read MS docs on ODBC to get what I want out of unixodbc |
| 22:39.59 | bkw_ | EWWWW EWWWW |
| 22:40.03 | bkw_ | ok brb |
| 22:40.04 | tholo | Well, let me just say I have done enough with ODBC vs. using native protocols (be it Oracle, MySQL or others) that I feel about ODBC more or less how you feel about Radius. ;-) |
| 22:40.40 | lecram | I wonder if there is a radius odbc interface |
| 22:41.02 | lecram | oh yes there is :) |
| 22:41.12 | tholo | Yes, M$ unfortunately has the best specifications -- however, you should read it keeping in mind that iODBC or UnixODBC or whatever might not implement the full interface, since quite a bit is optional (and most vendors can't agree on which optional features to implement!) |
| 22:44.51 | mrhyd3 | this may be dumb, but how to I set a digit before dialing, eg: ${ARG1} I need a digit 1 before the argument. |
| 22:45.06 | bkw_ | 1${ARG1} |
| 22:45.10 | tholo | 1${ARG1} ? |
| 22:45.13 | bkw_ | GMTA |
| 22:46.03 | mrhyd3 | bravo |
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| 22:55.13 | bkw_ | ok the unixODBC dude is intrested in my work now |
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| 22:55.29 | bkw_ | phsdshft what up boi |
| 22:55.34 | sxpert | tclark: is a masochist |
| 22:55.56 | illc0mmm | it's the only way |
| 22:56.13 | tclark | tc is intent on exposing the other 99% of the world to *,:) |
| 22:56.17 | illc0mmm | just took a few asprins though, so... might have a brain hemmorage |
| 22:56.37 | bkw_ | tclark the unixODBC guy might pop in here |
| 22:56.41 | mrhyd3 | hmm, this flash didn't work |
| 22:57.00 | illc0mmm | mrhyd3: yeah, I was looking at the *0 thing, that what you did? |
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| 23:01.53 | zoa2 | jow dudes |
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| 23:03.58 | andu | hello |
| 23:04.38 | mrhyd3 | illc0mm: does it work for you tho? |
| 23:23.09 | atacomm | hmm......i was just looking at buying out a computer equip sales company Atacom, to get legal precident on owning the name Atacomm before Atcomm started business..... but D&B shows they make $9 mill a year...... |
| 23:23.51 | lecram | ouch |
| 23:24.14 | atacomm | lol |
| 23:24.28 | bkw_ | haha |
| 23:24.50 | atacomm | there is another Atcomm company in AZ....3-people, do communications wholesale |
| 23:25.43 | atacomm | D&B rocks for research |
| 23:26.14 | atacomm | the company that wants to sue brought in an est 1.3 mill this year, for a 20 person staff......which means they are doing really bad |
| 23:26.35 | illc0mmm | well |
| 23:26.39 | illc0mmm | $65K/person |
| 23:26.45 | illc0mmm | not terrible |
| 23:27.06 | illc0mmm | so you figure, the low people make $30K |
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| 23:27.25 | atacomm | illc0mmm: thats before rent on two facilities......and they are a manufacturer....so you have to include costs of materials |
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| 23:28.21 | atacomm | + marketing + all other costs..... in the end i bet they have had a bad year if that 1.3 mill is correct |
| 23:28.48 | illc0mmm | who knows |
| 23:28.56 | illc0mmm | maybe everyone works from home |
| 23:29.01 | illc0mmm | and they dont have to do any marketing. :) |
| 23:29.12 | illc0mmm | and, if that's their real number |
| 23:29.19 | illc0mmm | we don't even publish our earnings. |
| 23:29.23 | atacomm | lol, no wonder they want to sue me then, rofl, i do more marketing |
| 23:29.41 | illc0mmm | and if we do, they are never accurate |
| 23:30.01 | illc0mmm | private companies don't have to |
| 23:30.21 | bkw_ | atacomm why isn't atcom after atacom? |
| 23:30.26 | illc0mmm | Where is this company based? |
| 23:30.28 | atacomm | illc0mmm: true, but D&B usually keeps a good tab on things, they are used for credit monitoring.....you usually want them to have accurate #s if they are better than what D&B has on file |
| 23:30.28 | bkw_ | why not point the big dogs at them |
| 23:30.41 | illc0mmm | haha, our D&B account is seriously skewed |
| 23:30.52 | atacomm | bkw: because atacom deals in computer parts, we deal in telephone equip |
| 23:31.01 | bkw_ | oh screw atcom |
| 23:31.07 | bkw_ | tell them to fuck a rope |
| 23:31.10 | illc0mmm | haha |
| 23:31.12 | illc0mmm | rope burns |
| 23:31.22 | atacomm | lol, atcomm only does Call Accounting.......i should write call accounting software and give it out for free |
| 23:31.35 | bkw_ | atacomm hahahahahah |
| 23:31.54 | atacomm | bkw: we could start a huge open source project and we could be the sponsor :) |
| 23:31.58 | illc0mmm | atacomm, what state is this other company based? |
| 23:32.16 | atacomm | illc: CA and NH i beleive |
| 23:32.29 | illc0mmm | do you know where they are incorporated out of? |
| 23:33.08 | atacomm | i dont know which state is the state..... their actual trademark is @Comm .... they are pissed that Atacomm is similar, especially in domain names |
| 23:33.22 | atacomm | bkw: think I could get any participents in such a project? |
| 23:33.22 | illc0mmm | gay |
| 23:33.45 | atacomm | it was the actual CEO who called me, and seemed to focus much on trademark law surrounding stealing domain names |
| 23:33.54 | illc0mmm | haha |
| 23:33.55 | bkw_ | gay? |
| 23:33.57 | illc0mmm | he's an idiot |
| 23:34.15 | bkw_ | atacomm ya ID10T |
| 23:34.22 | illc0mmm | the whole trademark thing is gay |
| 23:34.26 | bkw_ | yep |
| 23:34.27 | bkw_ | sure is |
| 23:34.53 | illc0mmm | If they didnt register the trademark for telecom sales they dont even have a leg to stand on |
| 23:35.12 | atacomm | think i'd get in trouble with Atacom if i started selling more switches and cabling? |
| 23:35.13 | illc0mmm | oh wait |
| 23:35.21 | bkw_ | no |
| 23:35.29 | bkw_ | they sell call accounting software |
| 23:35.32 | bkw_ | big DIFF |
| 23:35.42 | illc0mmm | yeah |
| 23:35.47 | illc0mmm | hardware vs software |
| 23:35.51 | atacomm | bkw: no, i ment the computer Atacom, the one that sells 9mil of computer hardware accessories a year |
| 23:36.15 | illc0mmm | screw them |
| 23:36.25 | illc0mmm | they can't do anything |
| 23:36.36 | illc0mmm | You have legal counsel? |
| 23:36.48 | atacomm | i do, but he's been out of town for 3 days |
| 23:36.52 | illc0mmm | ah |
| 23:37.03 | illc0mmm | you can tie that up in court for years |
| 23:37.06 | illc0mmm | if you want to be an ass |
| 23:37.10 | atacomm | lol |
| 23:37.20 | illc0mmm | my father-in-law is a lawyer |
| 23:37.22 | illc0mmm | :) |
| 23:37.41 | atacomm | my favorite idea is to preemptively sue locally, meaning they have to come up here to fight it, and ask a judge to declare us in no violation of the law |
| 23:37.56 | illc0mmm | yeah, home turf advantage |
| 23:38.11 | illc0mmm | always a safe bet |
| 23:38.38 | xpasha_home | what the shit |
| 23:38.47 | illc0mmm | damn, think I'm wanting a McRib now... |
| 23:38.56 | illc0mmm | something about formed meat products.... mmmmmmm..... |
| 23:39.00 | xpasha_home | try to revert SIP 7960 phone to CCM image and it says Bad Header |
| 23:39.01 | atacomm | lol |
| 23:39.10 | illc0mmm | shite |
| 23:39.27 | illc0mmm | xpasha_home: was it bought as an SIP phone? |
| 23:39.38 | xpasha_home | no |
| 23:39.40 | illc0mmm | oh |
| 23:39.41 | xpasha_home | it was ccm |
| 23:39.51 | xpasha_home | but I converted this to SIP |
| 23:40.01 | xpasha_home | now cant convert it back :( |
| 23:40.02 | illc0mmm | okay, because I don't think you can flash the original SIP to CCM. but the CCM -> SIP -> CCM should work? |
| 23:40.24 | illc0mmm | ah, ccm sux neway |
| 23:41.00 | xpasha_home | %) |
| 23:41.34 | xpasha_home | fucking cisco phone in sip mode has problem |
| 23:41.49 | illc0mmm | Hey, what is that hardware that converts a T1 line to analog? |
| 23:41.59 | xpasha_home | second call in order to make conference does not conduct dtmf absolutely |
| 23:42.08 | xpasha_home | how can it be? |
| 23:42.23 | xpasha_home | direct call to as5350 demonstratest all is ok |
| 23:42.42 | xpasha_home | but it suxx with asterisk |
| 23:42.44 | illc0mmm | channel bank? |
| 23:42.53 | lecram | illc0mmm: channel bank |
| 23:43.11 | illc0mmm | is that the best method to server a bunch of analog lines from * ? |
| 23:43.27 | ciego34 | hi, was looking for a low rate to Cuba |
| 23:43.36 | lecram | depends |
| 23:43.44 | bkw_ | how many lines? |
| 23:43.47 | ciego34 | or carrier support iax |
| 23:43.51 | illc0mmm | well, say I have like 12 analog lines |
| 23:44.06 | illc0mmm | maybe want to expand later |
| 23:44.10 | heller | ok. "I have like 12 analog lines" |
| 23:44.14 | illc0mmm | thanks |
| 23:44.42 | lecram | :) |
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| 23:44.48 | lecram | is it an existing install, or new? |
| 23:44.58 | lecram | and is there already an old PBX in place? |
| 23:45.06 | illc0mmm | new |
| 23:45.11 | illc0mmm | old PBX, yes |
| 23:45.59 | heller | 12 incoming analog lines? or do they come in on a T1? |
| 23:46.27 | heller | and, what about the phones? |
| 23:46.33 | lecram | and do you want to get of the pbx, or could you keep it... |
| 23:46.49 | lecram | would it have room for a t1 into the * server? |
| 23:47.44 | illc0mmm | phones are analog |
| 23:47.49 | illc0mmm | get rid of pbx |
| 23:47.53 | illc0mmm | there is room |
| 23:48.03 | illc0mmm | oh |
| 23:48.03 | heller | and, what about the phones? |
| 23:48.08 | heller | ergh. |
| 23:48.17 | illc0mmm | the 12 analog lines are for inside |
| 23:48.21 | lecram | either use the pbx as a channel bank, or get a new/used one |
| 23:48.22 | heller | ooh. |
| 23:49.09 | illc0mmm | Okay, here's my thought. OUTSIDE T1 -> * -> T1 Channel Bank -> Analog Lines |
| 23:49.15 | illc0mmm | that should work, yes? |
| 23:49.18 | lecram | Ack |
| 23:49.23 | illc0mmm | or is it gay? |
| 23:49.57 | heller | yea. but, if you can feed the t1 to the channel bank to the pbx and just use that no need for a new one? |
| 23:49.58 | illc0mmm | lol |
| 23:49.59 | lecram | gay - good |
| 23:50.03 | illc0mmm | nice |
| 23:50.16 | illc0mmm | just meaning different |
| 23:50.17 | illc0mmm | :) |
| 23:50.36 | lecram | ^-^= |
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| 23:51.05 | illc0mmm | heller: want to reduce the amount of configuration |
| 23:51.16 | illc0mmm | trying to keep things together as much as possible |
| 23:53.15 | illc0mmm | btw, didn't mean to offend ne1 w/ the gay comment. :) |
| 23:54.18 | heller | well, make the pbx just map channels to phones and do nothing else there. all config after that goes in * |
| 23:55.23 | illc0mmm | oh, sorry. forgot to mention that PBX is POTS in |
| 23:55.26 | illc0mmm | no T1 |
| 23:55.32 | lecram | ouch |
| 23:55.36 | illc0mmm | hehe, yeah |
| 23:55.45 | lecram | use a channel back the other way as well |
| 23:55.56 | illc0mmm | but, that would work right? I'm just trying to make sure I understand it properly. |
| 23:55.57 | lecram | get the right one and you should be able to combine it |
| 23:56.21 | lecram | also means only 1 t1 into the * server |
| 23:56.26 | lecram | :) |
| 23:56.38 | illc0mmm | I could use a Quad Span card or something like that in the * server. 1 T1 would be inbound, the other T1 would be to the channel bank? |
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| 23:56.48 | illc0mmm | lecram: ahh, I see |
| 23:56.55 | lecram | good :) |
| 23:57.12 | rollyson | hmm, anybody know how to get back into admin mode on a snom 200 ? |
| 23:57.55 | Mike | how can i put |
| 23:58.06 | Mike | 8 POTS in what card? |
| 23:58.12 | Mike | i have no t1 or e1 |
| 23:58.17 | Mike | just the 8 ports? |
| 23:58.45 | rollyson | mike: FXO or FXS |
| 23:58.45 | illc0mmm | Mike, where is this at? |
| 23:58.58 | illc0mmm | T1 could be cheaper than 8 POTS |
| 23:59.03 | Mike | illc0mmm: im just pytting an example:P |
| 23:59.08 | Mike | illc0mmm: im on mexico no t1s |
| 23:59.08 | illc0mmm | oh, hehe |
| 23:59.17 | illc0mmm | there's T1 in mexico |
| 23:59.22 | Mike | no there isnt |
| 23:59.27 | illc0mmm | yeah, there is. |
| 23:59.28 | Mike | we use european standars |
| 23:59.31 | illc0mmm | R1 |
| 23:59.32 | Mike | no there isnt |
| 23:59.32 | illc0mmm | E1 |
| 23:59.36 | illc0mmm | same difference |
| 23:59.37 | Mike | just DS1 E1 E3 |
| 23:59.41 | Mike | DS3 |
| 23:59.43 | Mike | STM-1 |
| 23:59.49 | illc0mmm | E1 / T1 same card from Digium |