| 00:01.09 | jaxxan | AgentCallbackLogin([AgentNo][|[options][exten]@context]): |
| 00:01.14 | jaxxan | where do you find out what the options are ? |
| 00:01.38 | jaxxan | this is what i have |
| 00:01.39 | jaxxan | exten => 600,1,AgentCallBackLogin(|${CALLERIDNUM}) |
| 00:01.39 | jaxxan | exten => 600,2,AddQueuemember(support|agent/${CALLERIDNUM}) |
| 00:01.49 | jaxxan | but it never gets to addqueuemember |
| 00:02.03 | jaxxan | it just plays voicemail-goodbye after the agentcallbacklogin |
| 00:02.29 | *** join/#asterisk iaxy (~bob@modemcable234.169-201-24.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 00:02.30 | jaxxan | so the queue is never created |
| 00:03.17 | *** join/#asterisk gambolputty (~heffer@pcp02859628pcs.roylok01.mi.comcast.net) |
| 00:05.49 | jaxxan | no one knows the options ? |
| 00:08.32 | timecop | hi |
| 00:08.35 | timecop | can I tunnel IAX over ssh? |
| 00:08.42 | voidptr | no |
| 00:08.50 | timecop | IAX2? |
| 00:08.54 | voidptr | no |
| 00:08.58 | timecop | i see |
| 00:09.08 | timecop | any solution to connect a user behind a firewall that only allows outgoing connections? |
| 00:09.12 | voidptr | udp, tcp (yes it is possible, but you don't want it) |
| 00:09.24 | iaxy | iax over vpn's works well. |
| 00:09.30 | voidptr | i heard vtun and openvpn are sollutions |
| 00:09.48 | iaxy | I have it running freeswan... |
| 00:10.44 | voidptr | iaxy : thats not really useful behind a restrictive firewall though :) |
| 00:11.01 | voidptr | but it would be my preferred choise for production setups aswell |
| 00:11.02 | timecop | can i tunnel it or something through socks5? |
| 00:11.03 | timecop | huhu |
| 00:11.08 | voidptr | no |
| 00:11.11 | voidptr | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:11.14 | timecop | well wtf :( |
| 00:11.23 | voidptr | anyone got a clue? |
| 00:12.25 | *** join/#asterisk km- (pgrace@virgil.fierymoon.com) |
| 00:13.28 | km- | howdy |
| 00:13.50 | iaxy | that happened last night to someone I remember something about codecs...but thats all I remember |
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| 00:15.06 | voidptr | anyone got a clue?mmh |
| 00:15.09 | voidptr | oops |
| 00:15.16 | voidptr | keyboard smash ;) |
| 00:16.00 | twisted | wow... someone's on irc with ipv6 |
| 00:16.05 | twisted | :P |
| 00:16.24 | timecop | heh L&H realspeak demo is neat for making voiceprompts |
| 00:16.24 | iaxy | voidptr: http://lists.digium.com/pipermail/asterisk-users/2003-December/029813.html |
| 00:16.27 | DarkFlib | it is feasible to proxy sip via a sock proxy....however its not soething i would like doing... |
| 00:16.31 | timecop | http://www.scansoft.com/realspeak/demo |
| 00:16.46 | voidptr | thanx |
| 00:16.49 | twisted | wow. |
| 00:17.06 | twisted | ls |
| 00:17.07 | twisted | er |
| 00:17.08 | twisted | blah |
| 00:17.23 | *** join/#asterisk _Phantom (~neil@gateway-nelson.thepacific.net) |
| 00:17.35 | DarkFlib | is asterisk ipv6 compatible yet? |
| 00:17.38 | _Phantom | hey all.... how is everyone? just started with asterisk, and loving it |
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| 00:17.50 | *** join/#asterisk imcdona (~chatzilla@corp.inline.com) |
| 00:17.59 | imcdona | hello everyone |
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| 00:19.40 | km- | darkflib: you're joking |
| 00:19.46 | imcdona | does anyone know is this will work "Asterisk box with two nics, one configured for a public IP and the other with an internal ip, sip phone on internal network calls sip phone on the outside" the sip phones fails because of NAT.....is there away I can do a bridge? |
| 00:19.49 | km- | darkflib: I actually did suggest ipv6 support a while ago and I got laughed at :P |
| 00:19.52 | DarkFlib | well....kinda... |
| 00:20.16 | DarkFlib | it would be nice....since I have my company net and home net both running ipv6.... |
| 00:20.41 | DarkFlib | but its not necessary atm |
| 00:20.57 | timecop | imcdona: eh waht? it works fine |
| 00:21.04 | km- | I've got ipv6 on my home lan and I set it up at work |
| 00:21.04 | timecop | imcdona: add canreinvite=no and reinvite=no into the sip phone |
| 00:21.05 | DarkFlib | although there do seem to be one or two quirks with ipv6 to ipv4 |
| 00:21.14 | km- | but I dont think asterisk is going to be ipv6 enabled till it has to |
| 00:21.19 | timecop | so it doesnt try to renegotiate with the remote end and not go through asterisk |
| 00:21.36 | iaxy | anyone remember what the "received mini frame before first full voice frame" error is? |
| 00:21.43 | km- | iaxy: sure |
| 00:21.44 | timecop | is that over iax? |
| 00:21.47 | timecop | I had that happen once |
| 00:21.51 | km- | iaxy: it means you received a mini fame before the first full frame |
| 00:21.56 | km- | iaxy: and it's not an error, it's a notice |
| 00:21.57 | hmodes | huzzargle for home |
| 00:21.59 | timecop | imcdona: you do it in asterisk configuration |
| 00:21.59 | km- | iaxy: which means, ignore it! |
| 00:22.02 | timecop | in sip.conf |
| 00:22.05 | timecop | for the phone's extension |
| 00:22.12 | imcdona | ahh let me try that.... |
| 00:22.13 | timecop | like you have [grandstream] blahblah |
| 00:22.13 | imcdona | moment |
| 00:22.36 | killerbee | who has ata 186 firmware for me... |
| 00:22.40 | km- | hmodes: how are you with squid? |
| 00:22.57 | *** join/#asterisk TUplink_ (~TUplink@68-232-68-65.chvlva.adelphia.net) |
| 00:22.58 | iaxy | ok...and if you want to get picky...its a Warning not a Notice...:-) |
| 00:23.08 | km- | hmodes: do you know how to do multiple redirector accelerator hosts with 1 squid process? |
| 00:23.11 | km- | I think I got it configured |
| 00:23.13 | twisted | iaxy: ixj device? |
| 00:23.19 | imcdona | Thanks timecop!!!! |
| 00:23.22 | km- | hmodes: but it doesnt load in a web browser |
| 00:23.23 | imcdona | it works jusr fine :) |
| 00:23.27 | km- | hmodes: it just sits there forever |
| 00:23.31 | iaxy | iaxy device....with both codecs |
| 00:23.31 | timecop | imcdona: yeah thought so |
| 00:23.41 | twisted | iaxy: odd. my ixj device does that, but it's the only one |
| 00:23.47 | hmodes | hrmm |
| 00:24.00 | *** join/#asterisk snewpy (~markl@2001:db0:1019:1:99e2:930e:fec5:17bd) |
| 00:24.08 | hmodes | i've never done accelerator vhosting |
| 00:24.14 | hmodes | just single site in or transproxy out |
| 00:24.23 | km- | hmodes: I'm trying to protect the IIS boxes on our network from worms |
| 00:24.23 | iaxy | wonder if hes sending something before the header |
| 00:24.27 | hmodes | but i believe transproxy and vhost accelerator are about the same thing |
| 00:24.39 | hmodes | ewwww |
| 00:24.46 | *** part/#asterisk TUplink_ (~TUplink@68-232-68-65.chvlva.adelphia.net) |
| 00:24.49 | iaxy | I don't think it was doing that before the firmware upgrade last night |
| 00:24.51 | km- | hmodes: transproxy? That sounds somewhat like what I'm trying to do |
| 00:25.06 | hmodes | yeah, same exact concept just the other direction |
| 00:25.11 | km- | eh? |
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| 00:25.27 | twisted | hahahahaa |
| 00:25.48 | km- | twisted: HAHAHAHA |
| 00:25.50 | km- | "oops" |
| 00:25.56 | _Phantom | anyone here played with FWD? |
| 00:26.11 | km- | earlier today one of our programmers was in borland C++ and he tried to hit shift-f4 to do a word search |
| 00:26.15 | hmodes | iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i br0 -p tcp -s 172.27.28.0/24 -d ! 69.57.156.208 --dport 80 -j DNAT --to 172.27.28.1:3128 |
| 00:26.15 | _Phantom | I'm wanting two different extensions, to go out to the FWD, via two different numbers.... is that possible? |
| 00:26.19 | hmodes | that ;p |
| 00:26.20 | km- | he sat there stupidly for a second and then said "oh shit, c++, not as400!" |
| 00:26.25 | twisted | hahahaha |
| 00:26.43 | twisted | only a SLIGHT difference there.. |
| 00:26.45 | km- | hmodes: ah |
| 00:26.50 | DarkFlib | _Phantom: yes |
| 00:26.52 | hmodes | it's been quite awhile since i've touched this tho |
| 00:27.17 | _Phantom | DarkFlib: I'm assuming you know the second part of my question then? |
| 00:27.22 | DarkFlib | how? |
| 00:27.25 | _Phantom | indeed |
| 00:27.26 | hmodes | do the gets show up in squid access log and is iis logging anything? |
| 00:27.39 | km- | well |
| 00:27.40 | km- | if I do |
| 00:28.15 | killerbee | who has ata 186 firmware for me...???? |
| 00:28.32 | DarkFlib | hmmm.... at a quick guess....create specific contect for each of the phones that have a fwd outgoing and filte _8. out for that dialout |
| 00:28.50 | DarkFlib | then include the normal context within those context |
| 00:28.57 | DarkFlib | there is probably an easier way tho |
| 00:29.16 | km- | 1079130731.414 10 66.92.234.76 NONE/400 1188 GET error:missing-http-ident - NONE/- - |
| 00:29.18 | km- | bastard |
| 00:29.47 | _Phantom | cheers... |
| 00:30.32 | hmodes | http-ident? |
| 00:30.32 | km- | who knows |
| 00:30.36 | km- | I'm using IE6 |
| 00:30.51 | DarkFlib | _Phantom: I've only been doing asterisk for a week...so i can do things...just maybe not the most efficient ways |
| 00:31.13 | hmodes | *shiver* |
| 00:31.41 | _Phantom | yeah, that should be an easyish way to get it to work.... now to find the cleaner way ;) |
| 00:32.17 | km- | hmodes: it's weird, telnet to 67.105.178.148 80 and try a raw http request and it works fine |
| 00:32.17 | atacomm | anyone know, can HylaFAX work with straight ULAW or does it need the stupid fax modem installed? |
| 00:32.29 | km- | hmodes: try to actually access the page in a browser, wham it dont work |
| 00:34.10 | *** join/#asterisk ernie (~ernie2111@pD9EC293F.dip.t-dialin.net) |
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| 00:36.49 | ernie | i have a question: when i make a Dial from IAX to CAPI there is alway a error: "Unable to create channel of type 'CAPI' " from a sip-phone to capi there is no error |
| 00:37.56 | timecop | hm |
| 00:37.59 | timecop | how cna I set a context |
| 00:37.59 | ernie | its a bug in the program or by me |
| 00:38.01 | timecop | on a incoming call |
| 00:38.44 | timecop | i have something like exten => 5600,1,Background(conf-prompt) |
| 00:38.52 | timecop | i want any digits dialed after that (as extension) |
| 00:38.55 | timecop | to go into "conf" context only |
| 00:39.36 | timecop | :( |
| 00:39.37 | timecop | anyone |
| 00:40.27 | *** part/#asterisk mags (~knoppix@ool-4351ba92.dyn.optonline.net) |
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| 00:45.51 | DarkFlib | anyone use festival to provide tts for asterisk? |
| 00:46.09 | ernie | have nobody a solution for my problem? |
| 00:46.39 | DarkFlib | ernie: I don't...sorry |
| 00:47.30 | ernie | DarkFlib: thanks vor the answer |
| 00:47.38 | timecop | huhu |
| 00:47.47 | timecop | ernie: I know someone who spent half a day trying to get it to work but failed |
| 00:47.57 | timecop | and i know that 2 years ago compiling festival took like 2 hours |
| 00:48.31 | DarkFlib | distcc should help with that..... |
| 00:48.32 | DarkFlib | :) |
| 00:49.50 | ernie | i go to bed |
| 00:51.09 | *** part/#asterisk ernie (~ernie2111@pD9EC293F.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 00:51.24 | *** join/#asterisk adelorenzo (~adelorenz@201.7.2.87) |
| 00:51.31 | bkw_ | I HAVE SCREEN POPUPS |
| 00:51.32 | bkw_ | NA NA NA NA |
| 00:51.54 | adelorenzo | hello, does anyone here use firefly+asterisk ? |
| 00:52.05 | TokyoJimu | bkw_: What kind of screen pops? |
| 00:52.35 | timecop | is there any way to set context on a call? |
| 00:52.39 | bkw_ | when I pickup my phone on an inbound call it exec's a URL on my PC with the callerid in it |
| 00:52.55 | bkw_ | then if i'm lucky the customers account is right there on my screen |
| 00:53.44 | TokyoJimu | bkw_: How are you doing this? |
| 00:53.48 | bkw_ | perl |
| 00:53.51 | bkw_ | and the manager interface |
| 00:54.20 | DarkFlib | timecop: you can do it from an agi script.... |
| 00:54.43 | bkw_ | the context is set |
| 00:54.54 | bkw_ | why do you wanna set it (because it should already have one) |
| 00:55.17 | TokyoJimu | bkw_ So you're constantly momitoring the manager interface looking for calls to your ext and then you exec the browser with a URL made up of the incoming ANI/CPN? |
| 00:55.29 | bkw_ | yep |
| 00:55.52 | TokyoJimu | Sounds nice. I've been meaning to do something like that. Care to share the perl code? |
| 00:55.59 | bkw_ | I didn't write it |
| 00:56.08 | TokyoJimu | Where'd it come from? |
| 00:56.18 | DarkFlib | goto can set the context.... |
| 00:56.19 | hmodes | speaking of which, i really need to bitchsmack the folks at work |
| 00:56.47 | hmodes | they went and bought a giant monolith of a nortel for customer service |
| 00:56.49 | hmodes | stupid bitches |
| 00:57.12 | bkw_ | hmodes OMG really? |
| 00:57.35 | *** part/#asterisk mic2 (~michal@62.29.133.121) |
| 00:57.35 | hmodes | yeeeah.. and they're actually expecting me to be involved with it |
| 00:57.39 | hmodes | i laughed and walked away |
| 00:57.45 | TokyoJimu | hmodes: That's fine. Just connect it to * with a PRI. |
| 00:58.07 | hmodes | when i say monolith, i mean MONOLITH |
| 00:58.16 | hmodes | like, large industrial fridge-sized |
| 00:58.16 | Dandan | http://www.zyxel.com/product/P2000W.html |
| 00:58.20 | Dandan | have u seen that? |
| 00:58.23 | Dandan | nice piece of stuff |
| 00:58.26 | hmodes | it's a rather large callcenter |
| 00:58.33 | hmodes | i've been trying to whore * to it for quite some time |
| 00:58.36 | hmodes | they just don't get it |
| 00:58.49 | DarkFlib | are its dimensions something like 1x4x9? |
| 00:58.56 | TokyoJimu | I don't think you could do anything with * that would be as nice on the desktop as a Nortel. |
| 00:59.06 | hmodes | like 'umm, hi.. agi script that integrates with our ticketing system? HELOOOOO?!?!?!?' |
| 00:59.55 | hmodes | the feature list of * running on my desktop puts the giant nortel to shame ;p |
| 00:59.58 | _Phantom | Dandan: excellent, the only other 802.11b VoIP phone was a cisco, so it spoke horrible cisco proprietary protocols... |
| 01:00.04 | hmodes | and it needs a dual xeon windows box anyway |
| 01:00.20 | hmodes | and we already have an unlimited supply of 7960s to begin with |
| 01:00.25 | hmodes | so the logic just isn't there |
| 01:00.42 | Dandan | _Phantom: same here :) nice :) |
| 01:00.44 | twisted | hmodes: so you gonna be getting rid of some of those 7960's then? ;) |
| 01:00.54 | hmodes | hehe |
| 01:01.02 | slePP | but i want 7960s! |
| 01:01.36 | _Phantom | thats a damned sexy phone.... |
| 01:01.51 | twisted | _Phantom: which one? |
| 01:02.01 | hmodes | i should find out what our price is, i bet i could get 'em pretty frickin cheap |
| 01:02.15 | twisted | hmodes: do that |
| 01:02.17 | _Phantom | both ;) |
| 01:02.25 | twisted | i'll be happy to purchase-through |
| 01:02.27 | twisted | :P |
| 01:02.32 | twisted | even include a finders fee ;P |
| 01:02.56 | _Phantom | mmmmm someone else I'm talking to suggested they need to make a gsm/wifi phone |
| 01:02.59 | _Phantom | so someone can do either or |
| 01:03.18 | file | ha ha ha |
| 01:03.21 | file | NEXT!!! |
| 01:03.40 | hmodes | someone find me a 25P05V6 eeprom damnit |
| 01:03.56 | twisted | hmodes: if i can find you one... i want a 7960 :) |
| 01:04.01 | hmodes | hah! |
| 01:04.09 | slePP | hmodes: uhm.... that sounds really familiar. what's the capacity? |
| 01:04.16 | hmodes | 128k |
| 01:04.23 | slePP | 28 pin? |
| 01:04.27 | hmodes | 8 |
| 01:04.32 | slePP | oh. hm. |
| 01:04.37 | twisted | hmodes: there's actually a retail store here that carries them I think |
| 01:04.42 | slePP | that's a serial eeprom? |
| 01:04.50 | hmodes | yesh |
| 01:04.55 | _Phantom | right, off back into town for a while, later all.... |
| 01:05.15 | hmodes | oh twisted? |
| 01:05.15 | adelorenzo | does anyone here use firefly ? |
| 01:05.21 | twisted | i think so |
| 01:05.26 | hmodes | i've had surprisingly little luck finding a place to get it online |
| 01:05.27 | twisted | i can check on tuesday |
| 01:05.29 | TokyoJimu | hmodes: EEPROMS galore in Akihabara. |
| 01:05.41 | hmodes | the one place I found that actually had it hasn't responded to muh email |
| 01:06.00 | hmodes | and no online ordering |
| 01:06.05 | slePP | what's the description of the eeprom? |
| 01:06.11 | hmodes | tho it seems a little silly to order a single 128k eeprom online ;p |
| 01:06.15 | twisted | hmodes: i'll check for you |
| 01:06.18 | hmodes | :) |
| 01:06.34 | twisted | but like i said, it'll be tuesday at the earliest |
| 01:06.40 | hmodes | slePP: other then the part number and 128k serial eeprom, i got nothin |
| 01:06.57 | hmodes | twisted: well if i don't hear back from these folks in cali, it would be much appreciated |
| 01:07.09 | slePP | what's it for? |
| 01:07.11 | hmodes | i'm left with a useless machine until I find one |
| 01:07.23 | hmodes | vid card rom for a mac |
| 01:07.24 | slePP | if it's 8 pin, it's a serial eeprom i'd guess |
| 01:07.30 | hmodes | converting a pc card to hold mac rom :) |
| 01:08.07 | hmodes | i've heard so much raving from X users that I want to give it a shot |
| 01:08.15 | hmodes | and I really really really need to ditch windows |
| 01:08.32 | mvand | adelorenzo: use iaxcomm |
| 01:08.44 | hmodes | x as in macos |
| 01:08.55 | slePP | ooh |
| 01:09.06 | twisted | hmodes, just let me know if you still need me to check, if i don't hear anything, i'll assume i should still do it :) |
| 01:09.06 | slePP | and you need a new rom for that? |
| 01:09.15 | hmodes | will do twisted, thx |
| 01:09.18 | twisted | np |
| 01:09.24 | hmodes | yah slep, pc rom is 64k, mac rom is 128 |
| 01:09.37 | adelorenzo | mvand: can I the text with iaxcomm ? |
| 01:09.39 | hmodes | i don't want to pay a $50 premium for a $5 rom chip |
| 01:09.50 | adelorenzo | mvand: for chatting? |
| 01:10.01 | hmodes | it's going on a radeon 7000 |
| 01:10.07 | mvand | not this week. maybe next week |
| 01:10.13 | km- | god |
| 01:10.15 | hmodes | i've got an old mac that is 'officially' 'unsupported' by X |
| 01:10.17 | km- | squid, just behave your goddamned self |
| 01:10.20 | km- | you know |
| 01:10.24 | hmodes | but with non-onboard-video it'll work just fine |
| 01:10.26 | km- | if microsoft made stable OS's |
| 01:10.33 | km- | I wouldn't have to be working on this all friggin night |
| 01:10.47 | slePP | hmodes: oh, hell. i've got one of those behind me. |
| 01:11.22 | km- | Caution |
| 01:11.22 | km- | It is recommended to use this directive effectively. |
| 01:11.23 | km- | HAHAH |
| 01:11.26 | km- | thanks guys |
| 01:11.32 | km- | really good documentation there |
| 01:11.36 | km- | "do this or else!" |
| 01:11.56 | slePP | radeon 7000 agp? |
| 01:12.09 | hmodes | pci |
| 01:12.29 | slePP | where's this IC? |
| 01:12.39 | hmodes | depends on the card |
| 01:12.50 | hmodes | but should be the only 8 pin |
| 01:12.51 | twisted | hi kram |
| 01:13.02 | slePP | is it surface mount? |
| 01:13.29 | km- | forsooth |
| 01:13.40 | hmodes | yesh |
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| 01:15.31 | slePP | is it about 1/8" square? :> |
| 01:15.33 | WizardWlf | anyone got the ices stuff to work |
| 01:15.48 | hmodes | yesh, quite small |
| 01:16.03 | WizardWlf | it's small is it cute |
| 01:16.38 | hmodes | hehe |
| 01:16.54 | hmodes | well mine certainly isn't as it's not the density i need |
| 01:17.02 | WizardWlf | I can't get asterisk to connect to my icecast server. |
| 01:17.04 | hmodes | but if i get the right one i'm sure it will be quite adorable |
| 01:17.23 | WizardWlf | what ya trying to build |
| 01:17.25 | km- | uh |
| 01:17.26 | slePP | k, i see what it is. let me look |
| 01:17.37 | km- | will you two get your minds out of the gutter |
| 01:18.16 | WizardWlf | km we are talking about chip size |
| 01:18.53 | km- | kram: whats wrong? |
| 01:19.14 | km- | OMG |
| 01:19.19 | km- | kram: how'd they not mention asterisk! |
| 01:19.44 | kram | can you believe that |
| 01:19.50 | adelorenzo | mvand: I believe you are the developer of iaxcomm |
| 01:20.28 | km- | kram: at least someone +5'd the comment about "Or you could just run asterisk" |
| 01:20.29 | km- | hehe |
| 01:20.37 | kram | yah, just still |
| 01:20.37 | *** join/#asterisk [1]mvand (~mvand@CPE-24-27-138-147.neb.rr.com) |
| 01:20.54 | hmodes | the nerve! |
| 01:21.08 | hmodes | waitwaitwait |
| 01:21.10 | kram | and somebody modded down the stupid response, that's good |
| 01:21.13 | hmodes | voip==oh323?!? |
| 01:21.22 | hmodes | sigh |
| 01:21.26 | adelorenzo | mvand: do you plan to include a presence indicator? |
| 01:21.37 | hmodes | why won't h323 diiiiiiee damnit |
| 01:21.58 | *** join/#asterisk mags (~knoppix@ool-4351ba92.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 01:22.30 | WizardWlf | hmodes because some people have paid a lot of money for hardware that uses it |
| 01:22.37 | [1]mvand | adelorenzo:? |
| 01:22.45 | km- | yeah |
| 01:22.49 | adelorenzo | [1]mvand: yes? |
| 01:22.51 | km- | I wish openh323 would die |
| 01:22.57 | mags | hehe |
| 01:22.57 | km- | I like the idea of asterisk and h323 |
| 01:23.02 | km- | but I like the idea of WORKING h323 in asterisk |
| 01:23.06 | km- | as opposed to non-working |
| 01:23.19 | hmodes | there is no such thing as working h323 ;p |
| 01:23.28 | WizardWlf | anyone in here got the Icecast stuff to work |
| 01:24.23 | [1]mvand | adelorenzo: not sure what you mean. I am working on an indicator to check status of other extensions. (But you need to be able to log onto the manager interface of your asterisk server) |
| 01:24.53 | otaku42 | all: anyone here who has knowledge with (analog) voice modems? quite offtopic on first sight, but i'd like to use one in conjunction with asterisk if possible :) |
| 01:25.07 | km- | wizardwlf: what is this icecast stuff |
| 01:25.53 | adelorenzo | [1]mvand: I was asking about firefly because it shows who's online sort of like IM system, but it is very unstable |
| 01:26.08 | adelorenzo | [1]mvand: I have also tested iaxcomm and I like it too |
| 01:26.28 | WizardWlf | km- we have an app_ices and I am trying to get it to connect to my icecast server so I can stream a conference call. there was a message on the list with instructions but did not give a sample config.xml for ices |
| 01:26.53 | km- | wizard: ah, that's awesome! |
| 01:27.03 | km- | wizard: lemme know how it works out for ya |
| 01:27.15 | [1]mvand | I probably won't be going down that road. firefly's paradigm looks like voice enabled AIM. iaxcomm's paradigm is a desk phone |
| 01:27.33 | WizardWlf | km- the one in the cvs seems to have a problem with the debian distributated ices2 |
| 01:28.16 | adelorenzo | [1]mvand: I see. The idea is to have a context for our external clients so theyu can have a direct line with us |
| 01:28.34 | adelorenzo | [1]mvand: it would be nice for us to know who is logged or not |
| 01:28.42 | km- | firefly, unstable? |
| 01:28.48 | km- | firefly was stable for me |
| 01:28.48 | km- | I just dislike how it's single-line |
| 01:29.05 | km- | iaxcomm on the other hand |
| 01:29.13 | adelorenzo | km-: it crashes for me if it a given extension does not exist |
| 01:29.15 | km- | that shit crashed when I made a call |
| 01:29.22 | km- | adelorenzo: did you download the latest copy? |
| 01:29.26 | *** join/#asterisk [2]mvand (~mvand@CPE-24-27-138-147.neb.rr.com) |
| 01:29.35 | adelorenzo | km-: yup |
| 01:29.43 | km- | oddd |
| 01:29.51 | [3]km- | well HAH |
| 01:29.54 | km- | heh |
| 01:30.04 | [2]mvand | I must stay closer to the wireless access point |
| 01:30.28 | mvand | adelorenzo: Is it your asterisk server? |
| 01:31.13 | km- | hmodes: come up with something fun for us to do tonight with asterisk |
| 01:31.13 | adelorenzo | km-: the work around was to include a exten => _.,1,Playback(invalid) on my extension.conf |
| 01:31.44 | km- | hmodes: someone was mentioning earlier about pumping raw ulaw into hylafax and "seeing if it would work" |
| 01:31.54 | adelorenzo | mvand: that crashes firefly? my asterisk server? |
| 01:31.57 | hmodes | ... |
| 01:31.58 | km- | hmodes: dont know about you, but that sounds like an amusing endeavour |
| 01:32.22 | km- | although my guess is we'd definitely need an FXS and a modem :P |
| 01:32.25 | hmodes | somehow i doubt it would like that |
| 01:32.40 | hmodes | although i suppose it's conceivable there's a way to get hylafax to decode directly |
| 01:32.45 | hmodes | humm |
| 01:32.48 | km- | or |
| 01:32.50 | Hogie | heh, that would make pretty pages:P |
| 01:32.51 | km- | we could just give coppice money |
| 01:32.54 | km- | and have him finish spandsp |
| 01:33.12 | km- | where is that crazy mofo lately anyway |
| 01:33.15 | km- | ~seen coppice |
| 01:33.16 | | coppice <~Steve_Und@187.155.17.210.dyn.pacific.net.hk> was last seen on IRC in channel #asterisk, 8h 48m 27s ago, saying: 'iaxy: remember then, do you? :-)'. |
| 01:33.40 | km- | maybe I should call verizon and change my call forwarding preferences |
| 01:33.41 | km- | hehe |
| 01:33.45 | mvand | If you admin the asterisk server, then the manager interface is pretty cool. I'm looking at integrating some asterisk manager functionality into iaxcomm |
| 01:34.25 | mvand | My real desk phone at work allows me to see who's using their phone, shouldn't iaxcomm, too? |
| 01:34.55 | WizardWlf | got app_ices to work. On Debian ices is called ices2 so you just have to make a symlink in /usr/bin |
| 01:35.03 | adelorenzo | mvand: cool. that would be nice to have in iaxcomm |
| 01:35.23 | km- | mvand: that's a feature that I've been thinking of writing utilizing the asterisk manager |
| 01:35.39 | km- | although it'd be more for the switchboard to have |
| 01:35.44 | km- | than for everyone to have |
| 01:36.18 | mvand | km- I got the idea of -how- to do it from all of the asterisk manager traffic on the mailing lists the last few days |
| 01:36.34 | km- | there's been asterisk manager traffic eh? |
| 01:36.42 | adelorenzo | km-: considering there is the 'switchboard' person in the environment ... yes I agree |
| 01:36.42 | km- | I havent been reading my e-mail lately |
| 01:36.45 | km- | S:N is too high |
| 01:36.57 | mvand | Well, yeah. Most of the phones at my office don't have the line monitoring LEDs, but some do. |
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| 01:38.57 | atacomm | you guys talking about making those Snom phones work right? |
| 01:39.04 | km- | huh? |
| 01:39.12 | km- | atacomm: dude, someone said you did regional did termination |
| 01:39.16 | atacomm | line monitoring is a function of the programmable buttons |
| 01:39.18 | km- | atacomm: is that true? are you holding out on me?!?!?!? :) |
| 01:39.46 | atacomm | km: we've got a PRI that isn't used coming into our server.....we haven't finished setting it up, its been sitting idle for 5 months ($700x5 + $3k...ouch) |
| 01:40.35 | mvand | <== Has to go. Will be back in 10-20 min |
| 01:40.37 | km- | eh |
| 01:40.39 | km- | hehe |
| 01:40.54 | km- | nufone apparently will not be offering regional DID for a long time to come, if ever |
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| 01:41.15 | km- | funny |
| 01:41.19 | km- | I talk about nufone and shido shows up |
| 01:41.20 | km- | :P |
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| 01:41.54 | km- | i'm only lukewarm happy with my incoming DID from voicepulse |
| 01:41.55 | km- | it's hella fast |
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| 01:42.00 | km- | but I'm wondering how dependable the service is |
| 01:42.06 | atacomm | km: we will hopefully soon be doing it here, i am focusing on getting a new building right now...... about 2-3 months afterwards we will have a large section of the eastern sea board |
| 01:42.13 | km- | ah |
| 01:42.25 | km- | well put me down for did service |
| 01:42.27 | km- | I'll hump your leg |
| 01:42.48 | Hogie | I wish I had a job somewhere that paid me even half of what im worth:( payraise for $0.02/hr!:) |
| 01:43.11 | atacomm | lol, uh no......i want to find a hot chick to do that |
| 01:43.16 | km- | your loss |
| 01:43.19 | atacomm | rofl |
| 01:44.33 | Hogie | I remember my last job interview, I asked for half my worth, and they said they didn't want to spend that much for the position |
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| 01:44.51 | atacomm | rofl |
| 01:45.06 | Hogie | I like like... :( |
| 01:45.20 | Hogie | stuck in my deadend $14/hr "IT Director" position sucks |
| 01:46.20 | km- | hogie: wow that sucks |
| 01:46.57 | Hogie | Im taking steps though. I ioncubed all the php files that I wrote at work today and put the encoded up and moved the source to my house |
| 01:47.08 | atacomm | well i work for free....heh |
| 01:47.17 | Hogie | but you own a company right? |
| 01:47.41 | Hogie | THE MAN IS KEEPING ME DOWN! |
| 01:47.47 | km- | hogie: you don't make much more than me, and I'm not only IT director but a senior consultant and staff programmer! |
| 01:48.01 | km- | oh yeah, director of R&D too |
| 01:48.05 | Hogie | km: same here |
| 01:48.09 | atacomm | lol, yeah, but i seem to give hardware away......i found out last night i accidently gave out $2300 of equipment in October.....now i have to track them down to get the money.... sometimes i dont know how I get by |
| 01:48.24 | Hogie | lol |
| 01:48.30 | km- | atacomm: meanwhile people are talking shit on you not sending hardware when they pay for it |
| 01:48.36 | km- | atacomm: maybe it's all balancing out in the wrong way! |
| 01:49.05 | Hogie | I just wish I could come up with an original idea first and be able to implement it and make money off it in some way |
| 01:49.08 | km- | atacomm: if I use you as my primary hardware vendor you're not going to flake out on me are you? ARE YOU? :P |
| 01:49.18 | atacomm | lol..km: if goldy' is still talking shit, i called his credit card company even and found that i charged what i thought ($545) and not the $750+ that he kept claiming, lol |
| 01:49.33 | km- | the dude said he didnt even get the hardware |
| 01:49.33 | km- | :P |
| 01:49.39 | atacomm | he thinks i charged him for two grandstreams, i have no record of grandstreams on order |
| 01:49.53 | Hogie | atacomm, what do you sell/make? |
| 01:49.53 | atacomm | goldy confirmed he got the other stuff he says he ordered, lol |
| 01:49.56 | Hogie | got a website? |
| 01:49.56 | km- | don't you just love schisters |
| 01:50.04 | atacomm | hogie: www.atacomm.com, lol |
| 01:50.25 | atacomm | km: yeah, i wish people would read their cc statement before arguing what i charged |
| 01:50.44 | km- | atacomm: why, what're they doing? |
| 01:50.52 | km- | I got the impression their hardware was shit |
| 01:51.08 | atacomm | after saying over a month ago that they were interested in having me carry their products, they have refused to reply to 3 emails since trying to get things finalized |
| 01:51.15 | ProtocoLD | has anyone used the linux iaxComm client ? I'm having problems with it sounding choppy... cutting in & out |
| 01:51.25 | km- | ah don't worry |
| 01:51.30 | km- | they havent responded to my e-mails either |
| 01:52.01 | atacomm | lol, yeah well we were asking to be a distributor/possibly exclusive..... (like ABP is with Snom) |
| 01:52.19 | Hogie | hey atacomm, how's the BL-6524? Im looking for something I can use in a wiring closet of a new building we might get so I can put in an * system with poe |
| 01:52.51 | atacomm | Hogie: works great. You can buy it with 8 or 16 ports as well, its a 3-module system. |
| 01:53.15 | Hogie | I'd actually need 32 ports, heh. |
| 01:53.23 | Hogie | or more/less depending what management does |
| 01:53.27 | atacomm | lol, well, 4 modules, 2 units |
| 01:53.28 | Hogie | they need to be kicked in the head |
| 01:53.50 | Hogie | it only feeds power out one side, right? |
| 01:54.08 | atacomm | right.....and it is autodetect |
| 01:54.58 | Hogie | I guess the biggest thing I have to figure out now is which handset I wanna do |
| 01:55.15 | atacomm | well, if you go Cisco the 6524 is out of the question |
| 01:55.33 | atacomm | speaking of which, anyone want a 6-port PowerDsine injector? I'm stuck with it |
| 01:55.56 | Hogie | I dont think I want cisco's... I'd have to pay to get sip on them. Ive been looking at the Snoms |
| 01:57.42 | Hogie | was thinking 32ish of the Snom 200's |
| 01:57.56 | atacomm | ok.....snom is a great phone. i have heard some complaints about the voice quality at times, you may want to test a few instead of 32 at once |
| 01:58.30 | Hogie | how fast would you be able to ship them out? That's the thing, im gonna have to roll out an office in about 20 days once I get the word... lol |
| 01:58.56 | Hogie | and that is ordering + getting + imaging pc's + servers + pbx + wiring + electrical |
| 01:59.08 | file | Hogie: have fun with 'dat |
| 01:59.40 | atacomm | Hogie: if the phones are in the country, 1 day |
| 01:59.43 | Hogie | file: atleast I wont be alone in this, my minion, er assistant will be doing most of the images |
| 02:01.21 | atacomm | rofl |
| 02:01.23 | atacomm | no no no |
| 02:01.23 | hmodes | atacomm: any idea what the pricing is going to be yet? |
| 02:01.39 | atacomm | it was supposed to be : * file implodes |
| 02:01.45 | file | 'fraid not |
| 02:01.56 | atacomm | hmodes: I could pull a number out of my ass |
| 02:02.00 | hmodes | heh |
| 02:02.11 | hmodes | sigh |
| 02:02.20 | atacomm | lol |
| 02:02.26 | atacomm | it looks nicer, like the cisco phone |
| 02:02.36 | hmodes | looked like a wisip to me |
| 02:02.40 | atacomm | i bought the Polycom Conference phone today |
| 02:03.16 | km- | hmmm |
| 02:03.17 | km- | poop |
| 02:03.31 | atacomm | so now i have to figure out how to get H323 working on *...... fucking Polycom, all their other phones are SIP based |
| 02:03.35 | km- | cerberus helpdesk only supports mysql |
| 02:03.48 | blll | cerberus is great |
| 02:03.55 | km- | yeah, I installed it today at work |
| 02:04.01 | km- | it gives me a friggin' hardon |
| 02:04.10 | km- | definitely worth $99 a domain |
| 02:04.24 | atacomm | page 8 of the P2000W's manual shows a large picture |
| 02:04.29 | km- | hmm |
| 02:04.30 | km- | h323 |
| 02:05.07 | hmodes | requesttracker 4evar! |
| 02:05.11 | atacomm | you are right, looks identical with more styling |
| 02:05.26 | km- | requesttracker? |
| 02:05.26 | km- | :) |
| 02:05.30 | km- | is that that RT software |
| 02:05.32 | blll | rt is nasty |
| 02:05.36 | km- | that's objective perl? |
| 02:05.37 | hmodes | yeah, i'd venture to guess it's the same oem ata |
| 02:05.41 | hmodes | yesh km |
| 02:05.49 | atacomm | pulver is way to stuck up on himself |
| 02:06.02 | hmodes | if you hack it up appropriately it is quite nice |
| 02:06.03 | km- | wow, I'd touch objective perl with a large pole and latex gloves |
| 02:06.08 | blll | atacomm, weren't they going on forever about how the wisip was waiting for fcc approval? |
| 02:06.13 | atacomm | yeah they were |
| 02:06.13 | hmodes | pfft |
| 02:06.22 | hmodes | it works quite well, that's all that matters to me |
| 02:06.26 | km- | hunter, you know me, I have too much ADD to deal with perl |
| 02:06.31 | atacomm | he demanded that i'd buy 100 units before giving it to me below retail price |
| 02:06.40 | hmodes | beats paying ;p |
| 02:06.48 | blll | atacomm: http://www.bcm.com.tw/product/productA1.htm looks a lot like the wisip |
| 02:06.57 | hmodes | granted it needs a rather obscene box to scale well |
| 02:07.03 | hmodes | but no worse then java poop |
| 02:07.10 | km- | yeah |
| 02:07.12 | km- | thats my hope at work |
| 02:07.19 | km- | to replace bugzero on our as/400 |
| 02:07.23 | atacomm | that is the wisip, lol |
| 02:07.37 | blll | atacomm: that's why I thought the fcc stuff was nonsense :) |
| 02:08.07 | atacomm | well, thats not a US site......they can sell it overseas without the FCC approving |
| 02:08.28 | blll | or rather, they can wait for their taiwanese supplier to get fcc approval :) |
| 02:08.56 | km- | bleh |
| 02:08.58 | atacomm | we've been throwing around the idea of making a phone that will complete with the CP-7970G.....full color display, bluetooth headset support, PoE |
| 02:09.06 | hmodes | blah! |
| 02:09.14 | blll | 7970 does bluetooth? |
| 02:09.19 | atacomm | I called Agere today regarding their voip chips |
| 02:09.27 | atacomm | bill: nope, it doesnt, thats why we would |
| 02:09.49 | km- | you know |
| 02:09.51 | file | so cold... |
| 02:09.54 | km- | asterisk sucks, I'm switching to bayonne |
| 02:10.21 | km- | bah |
| 02:10.25 | km- | fine, tough crowd tonight |
| 02:10.29 | atacomm | lol |
| 02:10.44 | learath | km-: lol, sorry, we're all flame resistant |
| 02:10.44 | file | I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you do that |
| 02:10.50 | km- | hahaha |
| 02:10.58 | atacomm | what can i do for a fax server that doesnt need fax cards? |
| 02:11.07 | km- | atacomm: spandsp! |
| 02:11.18 | km- | I was just going to look for the latest version |
| 02:11.22 | km- | and fiddle with it for fun and profit |
| 02:11.22 | atacomm | ?? |
| 02:11.55 | km- | steve underwood is writing a fax module for asterisk, app_txfax, app_rxfax |
| 02:12.00 | km- | using spandsp library he wrote |
| 02:12.05 | km- | http://www.opencall.org |
| 02:12.42 | file | I'm hungry, must locate food |
| 02:13.45 | km- | bah |
| 02:13.49 | km- | theres no newer version |
| 02:13.57 | MustDie2 | who knows nick of Steve Underwood ? |
| 02:14.02 | km- | coppie |
| 02:14.05 | km- | coppice |
| 02:14.20 | MustDie2 | km: thanks |
| 02:14.21 | atacomm | lol, doesnt look close to being finished |
| 02:14.24 | km- | he's in hongkong |
| 02:14.29 | km- | atacomm: it works, kinda |
| 02:14.36 | MustDie2 | km: i've read his personal web page ;) |
| 02:14.41 | km- | atacomm: you can find it on his ftp site, ftp.opencall.org /pub/spandsp |
| 02:15.05 | km- | yeah, just saying you may find it hard to get ahold of him at this time since it's prolly like 4am his time |
| 02:15.09 | slePP | anyone know what IC to use to connect up an FXS device? |
| 02:15.18 | slePP | like the xecom xe0092 |
| 02:15.22 | slePP | but, for fxs, not fxo |
| 02:15.38 | atacomm | is he regularly working on it or just occassionally? |
| 02:16.00 | MustDie | km: it's 10 am in Hong Kong |
| 02:16.03 | km- | atacomm: who knows... |
| 02:16.12 | MustDie | Saturday ;) |
| 02:16.15 | km- | mustdie: ah, whatever. AMERICA RULEZ :P |
| 02:16.53 | slePP | anyone? any idea? |
| 02:16.53 | MustDie | ata: his CVS does not accept anonymous users :( |
| 02:17.03 | atacomm | i could build fax server boxes :) lol, which reminds me, i need to get my web UI going this weekend for Asterisk |
| 02:17.08 | km- | slepp: no idea |
| 02:17.14 | km- | atacomm: you've been talking about that for months dude |
| 02:17.18 | Hogie | haha |
| 02:17.21 | km- | atacomm: put your pointer where your text editor is |
| 02:17.26 | atacomm | lol |
| 02:17.33 | atacomm | taxes first, they must be filed on monday |
| 02:17.40 | km- | hehe |
| 02:17.45 | slePP | how abotu anyone know the spec name for what a desktop phone works off of? |
| 02:17.47 | km- | I'm still wondering if I want to make fierymoon an Scorp |
| 02:17.55 | slePP | Scorp? |
| 02:18.00 | km- | S-corporation |
| 02:18.12 | atacomm | I'm an S-Corp, i'm not sure if i regret it yet ornot |
| 02:18.13 | MustDie | km: spandsp does not understand ECM :( |
| 02:18.13 | slePP | what's an S? :> |
| 02:18.17 | km- | it's a general corporation with subchapter S election |
| 02:18.17 | Hogie | Ive got an LLC, its a pain in the ass |
| 02:18.22 | slePP | which means? :> |
| 02:18.29 | km- | it means you can't have foreign investors and there's only so many shareholders you can have |
| 02:18.35 | slePP | ah |
| 02:18.36 | km- | but you're not double taxed |
| 02:18.39 | MustDie | km, i've just switched from C to S |
| 02:18.44 | km- | i.e., the corp isn't taxed, it's passthrough |
| 02:18.45 | atacomm | S-Corp, the owner reports the company's income as personal |
| 02:18.47 | MustDie | too much BS. Double tax |
| 02:18.57 | km- | I actually was thinking the double tax was better |
| 02:19.01 | slePP | as long as all share holders own less than 50%, it's still a small business and only taxed 18% for up to 300k |
| 02:19.03 | km- | more because of there's more of a paper trail |
| 02:19.13 | MustDie | km: in the way, if you don't make any money. C-Corp is good |
| 02:19.23 | MustDie | Otherwise, you are screwed |
| 02:19.45 | km- | fierymoon wont make 2004 earnings to offset the cost of operation unless I get my ass in gear |
| 02:19.55 | atacomm | i have to figure out how to do this right, i didnt come out ahead after last year, but i paid of debt that was written off the year before, so i'm going to be stuck with a whole lot of taxes due i think |
| 02:20.11 | km- | haha |
| 02:20.12 | km- | I'm in PA |
| 02:20.18 | km- | incorporating in PA is expensive too |
| 02:20.27 | MustDie | km: yeah, anything is better then NY |
| 02:20.30 | km- | everyone says I should incorporate in delaware or wyoming or nevada |
| 02:20.39 | MustDie | State Tax, City Tax, Air tax... whatever |
| 02:20.42 | km- | but, I think it'd be better (and less shady) if I just incorporate in PA |
| 02:20.50 | km- | pay the higher dues and be done with it |
| 02:20.58 | MustDie | km: no more Delaware. Banks just don't want to open accounts for this |
| 02:21.09 | km- | yeah |
| 02:21.10 | file[desk] | I declare a thumb war |
| 02:21.11 | MustDie | km: There are issues with Delaware |
| 02:21.15 | km- | I also need to get a business plan done |
| 02:21.38 | km- | technically since everyone in this channel has said they want to start a business selling asterisk in some form or another |
| 02:21.42 | km- | technically market research is really easy |
| 02:21.43 | km- | :P |
| 02:21.45 | MustDie | Main question is, who wants to fix spandsp aside of Steve |
| 02:21.53 | file[desk] | km-: asterisk is just THAT nice |
| 02:22.01 | km- | no need to tell me |
| 02:22.05 | km- | we're going on 8 months for me |
| 02:22.11 | file[desk] | I didn't |
| 02:22.17 | file[desk] | I merely stated a fact |
| 02:22.20 | km- | run it at home, run it at work |
| 02:22.33 | km- | now I just need to get a business started selling systems utilizing asterisk to the masses |
| 02:22.34 | km- | :P |
| 02:22.36 | Hogie | I dont want to sell asterisk... I can't afford to buy the stuff first;P |
| 02:22.48 | km- | I've got a couple clients lined up I just need to figure out how to report the income |
| 02:22.48 | km- | :P |
| 02:22.54 | km- | they said they'd give me a 1099 |
| 02:23.01 | km- | so I guess that's good 'nuff |
| 02:23.29 | *** join/#asterisk PlayaX (~PlayaX@max01-cm-58.cm.anc.net) |
| 02:23.47 | MustDie | km: accept 1099 for corp. |
| 02:24.43 | km- | I wonder if the local community college has business startup courses |
| 02:25.31 | MustDie | km: why do you need a business startup course? |
| 02:25.45 | Hogie | New Businesses for Dummies... all you need |
| 02:25.54 | MustDie | km: 99% of the stuff are straight forward |
| 02:26.52 | km- | if I do it wrong, I could be putting myself in legal trouble |
| 02:26.57 | km- | I'd prefer to avoid that |
| 02:27.07 | Hogie | get a layer |
| 02:27.13 | Hogie | er, lawyer |
| 02:27.14 | km- | expensive |
| 02:27.14 | km- | :P |
| 02:27.25 | Hogie | not really all THAT expensive... heh |
| 02:27.31 | Hogie | I use the ones from my day job |
| 02:27.43 | Hogie | I trade computer work for their help |