| 00:00.13 | Maveric | i just thought it was funny |
| 00:00.20 | cdemwell | Fair enough :) |
| 00:00.30 | NaCaDa | sowhat's the oss warning for? |
| 00:00.47 | Maveric | ? |
| 00:00.52 | cdemwell | Does anyone know if I can get handsets to work with asterisk? |
| 00:00.54 | Maveric | when compileing? |
| 00:01.08 | bkw_ | No everyone asks if it requires a sound card |
| 00:01.12 | bkw_ | why would it require one? |
| 00:01.14 | Maveric | cdemwell what type of handsets |
| 00:01.24 | *** join/#asterisk RoyK (~roy@80.202.161.30) |
| 00:01.33 | bkw_ | most any sip, mgcp works |
| 00:01.36 | cdemwell | Well, the idea here is to replace an (incredibly expensive) phone system with asterisk.. |
| 00:01.44 | cdemwell | Nothing cheaper eh? |
| 00:01.47 | bkw_ | if you have a zaptel FXS card you can use standard analog phones |
| 00:02.00 | cdemwell | What vendor would you recommend for me to start looking? |
| 00:02.08 | cdemwell | I'm really a server admin who's been asked to look at this stuff. |
| 00:02.09 | bkw_ | I love cisco 7960's |
| 00:02.10 | Maveric | unless they are proprietary analog phones |
| 00:02.11 | michael | I got a internet phone jack card I can use help with |
| 00:02.17 | Maveric | i agree with bkw on this one :D |
| 00:02.23 | Moc___ | same here.. |
| 00:02.27 | oob | i am very happy with grandstream budgetones |
| 00:02.33 | bkw_ | trust me 7940/60 will save alot of problems |
| 00:02.33 | cdemwell | Maveric: If you had to buy one, where would you get it? |
| 00:02.35 | Moc___ | I hate process to get cisco contract.. |
| 00:02.38 | timecop | michael: I can help you, sell it on ebay and buy digium hardware |
| 00:02.43 | bkw_ | Moc took me 2 hours |
| 00:02.50 | michael | timecop: If only I had money |
| 00:02.53 | michael | I got this one for free |
| 00:02.54 | Maveric | cdemwell my company got all ours off ebay |
| 00:02.59 | michael | FREE! |
| 00:03.07 | Maveric | problem with that is if you don't have access to a cco account |
| 00:03.11 | cdemwell | hmmmm |
| 00:03.11 | Maveric | you can't get the flash images |
| 00:03.22 | bkw_ | Maveric thats what you think |
| 00:03.23 | cdemwell | erm? |
| 00:03.25 | cdemwell | flash? |
| 00:03.27 | cdemwell | cco? |
| 00:03.33 | NaCaDa | Maveric: when launching it says that OSS supports should be disabled, but if I don't need it I won't worry about it |
| 00:03.36 | cdemwell | Damn, I'm a newb. |
| 00:03.43 | cdemwell | I hate being a newb! |
| 00:03.51 | bkw_ | NaCaDa noload => chan_oss.so in modules.conf |
| 00:03.54 | NaCaDa | I was just wondering what a SC would be used for |
| 00:03.58 | bkw_ | cdemwell www.voip-info.org |
| 00:04.00 | cdemwell | It's like waking up to find out you're a frog. |
| 00:04.02 | bkw_ | has a nice asterisk section |
| 00:04.03 | cdemwell | THanks, bkw |
| 00:04.08 | oob | cco = login to cisco's support site, flash = non volatile meory in devices |
| 00:04.16 | bkw_ | cisco connection online |
| 00:04.18 | bkw_ | CCO |
| 00:04.20 | Moc___ | damn where you call, Im still trying to software 6.3 !!! |
| 00:04.33 | bkw_ | Moc you beg and borrow |
| 00:04.40 | NaCaDa | tks bkw |
| 00:04.46 | bkw_ | I for one think once you buy the damn phone you should have the images for the phone given to you |
| 00:04.56 | bkw_ | cisco gets their $ selling hardware |
| 00:05.03 | tzanger | bkw_: I 100% agree |
| 00:05.10 | Moc___ | I thought it couldn't be online |
| 00:05.24 | Horshack] | ManxPower HAH!!! |
| 00:05.27 | Horshack] | I got it now |
| 00:05.29 | Horshack] | thanks for the help |
| 00:05.47 | miguellinux | ManxPower: a question.... |
| 00:06.45 | cdemwell | holy crap, $200 per phone?! |
| 00:07.04 | cdemwell | Tell me you're kidding |
| 00:07.15 | bkw_ | what phone are you lookin at? |
| 00:07.16 | oob | i also believe that their should be a corporal encrouragement mechanism to help proprietary software vendors such as MS to release good code, perhaps in the form of a lottery |
| 00:07.22 | Hogie | my boss is drooling over the ciscos now |
| 00:07.33 | Hogie | I showed him the bt101 and the cisco 7960 |
| 00:07.33 | Hogie | haha |
| 00:07.36 | bkw_ | Cisco 7960's are sexy |
| 00:07.38 | oob | like; every time a windows box somewhere in the world crashes, a random MS employee has an organ removed |
| 00:07.39 | cdemwell | What kind of prices per-handset can I expect? |
| 00:07.41 | Hogie | trying to get the budget for the 7960 |
| 00:07.45 | Moc___ | Please... I need SIP 6.3 code ;) |
| 00:07.47 | cdemwell | I mean, I see $100 as the lowest on ebay |
| 00:08.01 | bkw_ | cdemwell do you want a phone system that works |
| 00:08.03 | Hogie | 375 refurb from stores (non-ebay) |
| 00:08.06 | bkw_ | or one that works WELL |
| 00:08.10 | cdemwell | bkw_: Of course not. |
| 00:08.22 | cdemwell | I'd rather have one that works cheaply. |
| 00:08.23 | Hogie | hey bkw, what's your going rate for consulting btw? :) |
| 00:08.27 | bkw_ | Grandstreams are ok they are 65 bucks each |
| 00:08.33 | cdemwell | hoo boy |
| 00:08.34 | bkw_ | Hogie 60.00/hr 2 hour min. |
| 00:08.37 | Hogie | dont say cheap |
| 00:08.40 | Hogie | say in-expensive |
| 00:08.47 | Hogie | cheap = grandstream |
| 00:08.48 | Hogie | lol |
| 00:08.49 | cdemwell | Why lie to you guys? |
| 00:09.28 | miguellinux | get a Cisco ATA 186 and have 2 ip phones cheaply |
| 00:09.28 | Jesster | I've got a 7940/MGCP that isn't getting dialtone, however It can get and send calls fine |
| 00:09.35 | Maveric | cdemwell there is a lot of difference in the phones |
| 00:09.41 | Maveric | thats why they are priced this way |
| 00:09.42 | cdemwell | So, this is going to cost a lot, but nowhere near the $4000 cost of the meridian lease we're offered |
| 00:10.00 | Hogie | cdem: depends what your handsets needs are |
| 00:10.15 | Hogie | do you have to have phones that you can program and make them solve world hunger |
| 00:10.16 | Maveric | cdemwell how many lines do you need? |
| 00:10.17 | Moc___ | bkw_, PlEAseeee ;) |
| 00:10.18 | bkw_ | Jesster why MGCP? |
| 00:10.26 | bkw_ | load that damn SIP image |
| 00:10.31 | cdemwell | Maveric: Two for now, maybe up to four later |
| 00:10.35 | cdemwell | maaaybe. |
| 00:10.36 | Maveric | hmm |
| 00:10.44 | Maveric | do grandstreams handle 2 lines? |
| 00:10.46 | bkw_ | Sipura's are 100-115 each |
| 00:10.50 | bkw_ | for two lines |
| 00:10.50 | *** join/#asterisk brc007 (~brc007@wsip-68-14-209-217.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 00:10.54 | Maveric | ah |
| 00:10.57 | bkw_ | you plug standard phones into them |
| 00:11.03 | Jesster | bkw_: were doing testing with Level3's product |
| 00:11.08 | cdemwell | Doesn't the PBX handle everything to do with the lines? |
| 00:11.08 | Maveric | or you could get a ata186 |
| 00:11.15 | bkw_ | Jesster run fast from it |
| 00:11.16 | Jesster | bkw_: they aren't rolling out SIP until later part of the summer |
| 00:11.24 | Hogie | cdem: you want 2 lines and how many handsets? |
| 00:11.29 | bkw_ | cdemwell FORGET everything you know now about phone systems |
| 00:11.31 | Jesster | bkw_: why? which product? |
| 00:11.33 | miguellinux | well my * is running ... now how to make a menu and wich files I have to change... because I want it in spanish |
| 00:11.38 | cdemwell | Wait, wait. I'm lost again |
| 00:11.50 | cdemwell | I only need each handset to be able to hold one conversation. |
| 00:11.52 | bkw_ | cdemwell how many incoming phone lines? |
| 00:12.00 | cdemwell | Two incoming phone lines |
| 00:12.13 | bkw_ | ok you need two FXO cards 99 dollars each |
| 00:12.14 | bkw_ | a linux box |
| 00:12.17 | Maveric | but do you need the phones to beable to answer both lines? |
| 00:12.17 | cdemwell | ROger that |
| 00:12.19 | bkw_ | how many handsets? |
| 00:12.21 | Maveric | seperately |
| 00:12.24 | cdemwell | Maybe one |
| 00:12.32 | cdemwell | say 10 handsets |
| 00:12.33 | Maveric | as though they are really a different line |
| 00:12.36 | Jesster | bkw_: everything seems ok its just not hearing a dialtone (maybe a codec problem?) I can call it and it can call others.. |
| 00:12.40 | bkw_ | ok all in the same office? |
| 00:12.45 | cdemwell | The two lines will be the same phone number, I hope |
| 00:12.50 | cdemwell | Yeah, all one office |
| 00:13.05 | bkw_ | then get 5 sipura's |
| 00:13.08 | Hogie | cdem: the same phone number is handled by your phone company, so you just get them to setup a hunt group |
| 00:13.16 | bkw_ | thats 500-600 bucks for those |
| 00:13.21 | cdemwell | I'll call them tomorrow. |
| 00:13.22 | cdemwell | Yikes |
| 00:13.29 | Maveric | cdemwell for all 10 |
| 00:13.31 | Maveric | together |
| 00:13.32 | cdemwell | I hope that's not monthly |
| 00:13.32 | Maveric | lol |
| 00:13.35 | cdemwell | oh |
| 00:13.38 | Maveric | no cdemwell |
| 00:13.40 | Hogie | that's one time |
| 00:13.44 | Maveric | you buy them for 120 a piece |
| 00:13.46 | Hogie | you buy the hardware and own it |
| 00:13.47 | cdemwell | sorry, I thought you were talking about the hunt group |
| 00:13.47 | bkw_ | you own them damn things after that |
| 00:13.55 | bkw_ | no |
| 00:14.06 | cdemwell | 500-600 $US for 10 sipura handsets. |
| 00:14.08 | bkw_ | again forget everything about the norm you're used to for a phone system |
| 00:14.15 | cdemwell | Plus I need regular analog phones to go with that, yes? |
| 00:14.17 | bkw_ | no thats for 5 each can do two |
| 00:14.23 | Hogie | hey bkw, I got the okay to buy 3 fxo cards today |
| 00:14.26 | bkw_ | yes you need phones then |
| 00:14.36 | cdemwell | bkw_: I'm not really used to dealing with telephony at all. |
| 00:14.42 | Maveric | but analog's are a dime a dozen |
| 00:14.45 | cdemwell | sure are |
| 00:14.49 | bkw_ | cdemwell ah www.voip-info.org helps |
| 00:14.53 | cdemwell | Yeah, I'll get there |
| 00:15.01 | Hogie | cdemwell: just sit in here for a few months and listen to everyone also. It helps |
| 00:15.02 | bkw_ | cdemwell we use asterisk and we are spread out 110 miles apart |
| 00:15.05 | cdemwell | So what do you think, when all is said and done? |
| 00:15.14 | cdemwell | I don't have months |
| 00:15.17 | bkw_ | cdemwell you can do it for less than 2k I think |
| 00:15.18 | miguellinux | im in peru |
| 00:15.22 | miguellinux | hehehe |
| 00:15.23 | cdemwell | I had this dumped in my lap already hot |
| 00:15.32 | bkw_ | cdemwell what country you in? |
| 00:15.34 | cdemwell | $2k US, hmm |
| 00:15.35 | cdemwell | Canada. |
| 00:15.45 | bkw_ | oh ya you can get it going for atleast that I think |
| 00:15.49 | cdemwell | What's that $2k buy me? |
| 00:15.54 | bkw_ | even buying a Dell Poweredge 400SC for the server |
| 00:15.54 | cdemwell | You mean at most that, I hope |
| 00:16.09 | cdemwell | How big a machine does this need, anyhow? |
| 00:16.09 | Hogie | bkw: what would the point of that be? |
| 00:16.13 | tzanger | cdemwell: I'm in southwestern Ontario |
| 00:16.23 | cdemwell | How ya doin', eh? |
| 00:16.29 | tzanger | ha |
| 00:16.43 | cdemwell | so, what does $2k buy me? |
| 00:16.50 | cdemwell | That's waaay more than I had hoped :( |
| 00:16.56 | bkw_ | 200 for FXO's, 600 For SIPURAS and about 400-500 for a server (dont need too much) and maybe 100-200 for analog phones |
| 00:16.57 | znoG | 10 handsets, server |
| 00:17.00 | znoG | fxo's |
| 00:17.09 | Hogie | cdem: that $4000 "lease" you were tlaking about, was that a year? |
| 00:17.23 | bkw_ | cdemwell these expenses are onetime expenses |
| 00:17.34 | bkw_ | you own the darn thing after that and no evil leases |
| 00:17.43 | cdemwell | About a year |
| 00:17.52 | cdemwell | With buyout I think |
| 00:17.55 | cdemwell | I'm not clear on details |
| 00:17.58 | Hogie | see, if you spend 2k on this, you save 2k |
| 00:18.03 | bkw_ | ya really |
| 00:18.03 | Hogie | and you dont have to buy out at the end |
| 00:18.11 | *** join/#asterisk adker (adker@216.130.231.5) |
| 00:18.18 | Hogie | plus you can expand it for cheaper |
| 00:18.25 | cdemwell | The hardware lease was for a Meridian 824, total of 16 handsets |
| 00:18.37 | cdemwell | Is that US Dollars? |
| 00:18.54 | miguellinux | http://www.iptelephony.org/GIP/vendors/client-phones/ |
| 00:18.57 | cdemwell | 'cause this is Canadian, so divide by 1.3 |
| 00:19.03 | cdemwell | thanks miguellinux |
| 00:19.09 | tzanger | cdemwell: we're not that shitty a dollar |
| 00:19.16 | bkw_ | granted asterisk will provide 45-100k worth of features |
| 00:19.26 | bkw_ | but you're not lookin at it like that |
| 00:19.28 | cdemwell | tzanger: What rate do you get? |
| 00:19.35 | cdemwell | not really |
| 00:19.38 | cdemwell | We're teeny tiny |
| 00:19.50 | cdemwell | So, what kind of machine do I need to run asterisk? |
| 00:19.50 | tzanger | cdemwell: about $0.73 |
| 00:19.54 | cdemwell | I might have something sitting around |
| 00:19.55 | Hogie | so are we cdemwell, and I got my boss to okay buying test equipment for one of our other offices |
| 00:20.03 | tzanger | cdemwell: I usually * 0.75 to go to USD or / 0.75 to go to CDN$ |
| 00:20.11 | cdemwell | tzanger We have only one office :) |
| 00:20.17 | bkw_ | and not to mention Asterisk makes all the other phone system people CRY LIKE BABIES |
| 00:20.23 | tzanger | bkw_: hahaha |
| 00:20.31 | cdemwell | tzanger: That's worse, that's 1.5 $CDN to $US |
| 00:20.35 | tzanger | bkw_: soon it will... assisted transfer is a biggie I'm playing with |
| 00:20.42 | cdemwell | no, wait |
| 00:20.43 | cdemwell | I"m mad |
| 00:20.49 | bkw_ | tzanger with the right phones it works fine |
| 00:20.51 | cdemwell | That's about the same. 1.33 |
| 00:20.51 | tzanger | cdemwell: ?? |
| 00:20.53 | bkw_ | cdemwell about what? |
| 00:20.55 | tzanger | yeah |
| 00:20.57 | tzanger | you're right |
| 00:20.57 | tzanger | heh |
| 00:21.00 | cdemwell | bkw_: Mad means crazy |
| 00:21.07 | tzanger | bkw_: yeah.. I'm still not sold on IP phones |
| 00:21.30 | Maveric | tzanger you need to use them |
| 00:21.39 | Maveric | tzanger have you made a ip to ip phone call thru iax over the net? |
| 00:21.42 | Maveric | or even sip? |
| 00:21.43 | Hogie | im only scared on ip phones at remote offices trying to come back to the main office on the net through there |