| 00:00.45 | abatista | fgravato, say what? over heat... Oh I understand. Did you get the right power supply with it? |
| 00:00.53 | Ikarus[less_mad] | abatista: but until then I am going to use one of my tricks (probably I am going to get the equipment for the FXS -> faxmodem way, because that also works from VoIP unlike the CAPI trick which bypasses Asterisk entirely) |
| 00:02.06 | abatista | Ikarus[less_mad], on some of my users I have put a Sipura-2000 and one port put a analog phone and the other a fax machine. It's been working fine. I have 20 of them deployed working... |
| 00:02.18 | fgravato | Abatista: i got the one shipped from Digium |
| 00:02.19 | Ikarus[less_mad] | abatista: yeah, I know |
| 00:02.24 | fgravato | very big brick |
| 00:02.48 | abatista | fgravato, I got the one from Radio shack. (Still ugly and big). |
| 00:02.55 | Ikarus[less_mad] | abatista: I already tried a sipura for faxes, but the real point is, I don't want a physical fax machine (I only need it for 3 faxes a month or so) |
| 00:03.39 | fgravato | i'm sorta afraid of plugging in 2nd iaxy -in the event it would happen again |
| 00:03.39 | abatista | Ikarus[less_mad], yepper that is why I want the Spandsp to work. I have a customer moving to a new W/H and he wants now only sip phones... |
| 00:03.48 | fgravato | digium was nice to rma the unit back |
| 00:04.10 | Ikarus[less_mad] | abatista: yeah, did you btw see that sipura is now building phones aswell, I am trying to get one to test |
| 00:04.22 | abatista | fgravato, I have 2 of there beta unit's. They have been working for 5 months now no problem. |
| 00:05.06 | abatista | Ikarus[less_mad], where did you see that? |
| 00:05.32 | Ikarus[less_mad] | abatista: their website |
| 00:05.39 | fgravato | ahh.. anyone have example of the iaxyprov.conf |
| 00:06.07 | Ikarus[less_mad] | abatista: "Sipura IP Phones Coming in 1H 2004!" |
| 00:06.25 | abatista | Ikarus[less_mad], all I see there is there 2000,1000 and 3000. |
| 00:06.39 | Ikarus[less_mad] | abatista: at the bottom of the overview page |
| 00:06.47 | Connor_ | hey guys... Can someone explain the meaning of this.. Please note that we require a gatekeeper if you intend to originate from more than three different IP addresses. I'm using asterisk as my sip server using multiple gateways (cisco, with re-invites) and yes, I'll have more than 3 ip's.. Does this apply to me? I though gatekeepers where h323 stuff |
| 00:06.58 | andreg | i have an iaxyprov.conf example |
| 00:07.54 | *** join/#asterisk wmandra (~wmandra@pcp02175065pcs.verona01.nj.comcast.net) |
| 00:08.00 | wmandra | evening all |
| 00:08.14 | wsuff | evening wmandra |
| 00:08.31 | wmandra | anything interesting going on in here tonight? |
| 00:09.11 | wsuff | no idea |
| 00:09.12 | wsuff | =) |
| 00:09.33 | wmandra | would anyone happen to be using broadvoice with * ?? |
| 00:09.53 | pfn | what's *? |
| 00:10.08 | wsuff | pfn: asterisk perhaps |
| 00:10.16 | wmandra | hey pfn, any luck with your broadvoice connection? |
| 00:10.48 | slePP | uhm |
| 00:10.50 | trasternell | can some1 help me with this again please |
| 00:10.55 | slePP | Dial(Loacl/801&Local/802) |
| 00:10.56 | pfn | you don't say? :p |
| 00:11.00 | slePP | will that do what i think it will? |
| 00:12.07 | wmandra | pfn: is your broadvoice connection still down? |
| 00:12.19 | pfn | broadvoice/5104 147.135.0.129 N 255.255.255.255 5060 OK (102 ms) |
| 00:12.21 | pfn | it appears to be fine |
| 00:12.28 | wmandra | really |
| 00:12.46 | wmandra | i can receive calls, but cannot place calls |
| 00:12.48 | scythelx | ok i think i found out why my mpg123 is skipping.. i keep getting this error when its going to skip: |
| 00:12.49 | scythelx | Jul 21 20:12:01 NOTICE[138297344]: chan_iax2.c:2309 iax2_read: I should never be called! |
| 00:12.55 | pfn | wmandra I'm not at home to be able to tell |
| 00:13.01 | scythelx | not sure what that means anyone have an idea? |
| 00:13.39 | trasternell | i need to install zaptel but it tells me that i am missing openssl |
| 00:13.50 | wmandra | pfn: i keep getting a response timeout on outbound calls |
| 00:13.57 | trasternell | i downloaded and extracted the package |
| 00:14.14 | trasternell | it compiled and installed properly but |
| 00:14.26 | pfn | and last month, I burned too many minutes testing from my cellphone |
| 00:14.27 | trasternell | i still get the message... |
| 00:14.35 | pfn | wmandra what shows up in sip show peers? |
| 00:14.41 | pfn | are you qualifying the connection? |
| 00:15.01 | pfn | Jul 21 17:14:52 NOTICE[6150]: chan_sip.c:7576 sip_poke_noanswer: Peer 'broadvoice' is now UNREACHABLE! |
| 00:15.03 | pfn | so there goes that |
| 00:15.04 | wmandra | it's listed as unmonitored |
| 00:15.10 | pfn | wmandra set qualify=yes |
| 00:15.16 | trasternell | /usr/bin/ld blah blah -lssl not found |
| 00:15.23 | trasternell | ne ideas |
| 00:15.43 | pfn | so install openssl |
| 00:16.07 | JerJer | openssl-dev |
| 00:16.08 | wmandra | pfn: UNREACHABLE |
| 00:16.09 | JerJer | or -devl |
| 00:16.12 | JerJer | devel ? |
| 00:16.15 | pfn | and zaptel doesn't use openssl |
| 00:16.23 | pfn | wmandra well then, it's dead... heh |
| 00:16.47 | pfn | Jul 21 17:16:06 NOTICE[6150]: chan_sip.c:3881 sip_reg_timeout: Registration for '5104000103@147.135.8.129' timed out, trying again |
| 00:16.58 | pfn | broadvoice/5104 147.135.0.129 N 255.255.255.255 5060 OK (115 ms) |
| 00:17.03 | pfn | however, 147.135.0.129 looks ok |
| 00:17.05 | trasternell | then what is -lssl |
| 00:17.12 | wmandra | arghhh, what i don't understand is that i am able to register to sip.broadvoice.com |
| 00:17.47 | pfn | wmandra because, do a sip show registry |
| 00:17.49 | pfn | notice the IP address |
| 00:17.52 | pfn | then look at sip show peers |
| 00:18.06 | pfn | sip reload a few times until the IP address looks like the one that works |
| 00:18.11 | pfn | Host Username Refresh State |
| 00:18.11 | pfn | 147.135.0.129:5060 5104000103 584 Registered |
| 00:18.20 | wmandra | pfn: if * shows REGISTERED in sip show registry, sip show peers shows UNREACHABLE |
| 00:18.30 | pfn | look at the IP ADDRESS |
| 00:18.53 | wmandra | however, if i reload sip, sip show registry shows REQUEST SENT and sip show peers is OK |
| 00:18.56 | pfn | look at the IP ADDRESS |
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| 00:19.12 | JunK-Y | and ? |
| 00:19.27 | wmandra | different ip addresses, but they are both sip.broadvoice.com according to nslookup |
| 00:19.34 | pfn | ugh |
| 00:19.39 | pfn | do you not understand what I am saying??? |
| 00:19.40 | goozer | trasternell: if you're on debian, ssl is in libssl-dev |
| 00:19.48 | pfn | 147.135.8.129 DOES NOT WORK!!! |
| 00:19.49 | wmandra | i guess now |
| 00:20.08 | trasternell | i'm an fedora core 2 |
| 00:20.13 | trasternell | on* |
| 00:20.14 | wmandra | ok, so instead of using sip.broadvoice.com i should just use the ip address |
| 00:20.18 | pfn | sure |
| 00:20.23 | pfn | although, I wonder how much of this is the fault of asterisk |
| 00:20.26 | Moc___ | trasternell you havent had fedora core 2 crashing with * ? |
| 00:20.31 | pfn | since there are 2 A records for sip.broadvoice.com |
| 00:20.35 | pfn | should * be failing over automatically? |
| 00:20.43 | pfn | how do other SIP stacks handle this? |
| 00:20.58 | trasternell | not really |
| 00:21.07 | trasternell | i was running fine before |
| 00:21.32 | trasternell | i'm only having trouble reinstalling |
| 00:22.43 | wmandra | pfn: using the ip address in sip.conf seems to have fixed it, but your right * should fallover |
| 00:23.03 | abatista | Ikarus[less_mad], I found it overview on there product section. But it might be a little late. |
| 00:23.17 | pfn | wmandra I don't know if that's true or not... |
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| 00:24.14 | pfn | since DNS round-robin isn't really for failing over |
| 00:24.23 | pfn | you just connect to whichever record comes back toyou first |
| 00:24.35 | pfn | it should be broadvoice that has local failover devices |
| 00:24.40 | s34n | pfn: #rippleopb in 5 min or so, if you're interested |
| 00:24.59 | wmandra | pfn: one thing i noticed is that everytime i did a sip reload * would use the other a record, but when * started it would try and register with 147.135.8.129 and dial out on 147.135.0.129 which is why one worked but the other didn't |
| 00:25.24 | wmandra | so on sip reload the ip addresses would flip flop |
| 00:26.41 | pfn | wmandra it's because the IP that * picks to use is random |
| 00:26.47 | pfn | which is the intended design of round-robin DNS |
| 00:27.00 | wmandra | ahhhh |
| 00:28.12 | wmandra | haha, it looks like the problem is also effecting broadvoice tech support :) now thats funny |
| 00:28.37 | fgravato | anyone know what the minium wattage the iaxy needs |
| 00:28.45 | fgravato | the supply digium sent me is 800milliwatts |
| 00:28.50 | fgravato | while the hack shack one is 1500 |
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| 00:29.30 | goozer | has anyone ever seen a problem where a PRI channel only seems to work in one direction? I only get sound in one direction. |
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| 00:30.38 | konfuzed | hi |
| 00:31.44 | aejlum | Which linux distro works best with asterisk? and why? |
| 00:31.47 | konfuzed | when I look at extensions.conf , it looks like I should be dialing 15 to check my voice mail, but my x-lite says 484 Address Incomplete. is there a prefix I have to dial before it, or something wrong with the configs probably? |
| 00:33.25 | konfuzed | I can call phone extension 100 from 101 and vice versa fine internally with asterisk, and have their voice mails working for answering but how do I check it? |
| 00:33.41 | pfn | setup an extension that goes into VoicemailMain |
| 00:33.47 | pfn | do read extensions.conf.sample |
| 00:34.09 | konfuzed | I have these in extensions.conf already ... |
| 00:34.10 | konfuzed | exten => 15,1,VoicemailMain |
| 00:34.10 | konfuzed | exten => 15,2,Hangup |
| 00:34.33 | konfuzed | so that should mean I should be able to type 15 to check my msgs |
| 00:34.59 | pfn | yes |
| 00:35.07 | pfn | is it in a context that's visible to x-lite? |
| 00:35.39 | konfuzed | oh I see what you mean now, no its in its own section |
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| 00:38.28 | abatista | aejlum, The linux distro it depend on what your used to. I use in my production system RH9 and Fedora Core 1. |
| 00:39.08 | abatista | pfn, your getting good at this stuff.. |
| 00:39.15 | konfuzed | pfn: thanks budz |
| 00:39.27 | pfn | only just getting? :p |
| 00:39.28 | aejlum | abatista, I'm new so I can start with anyone..... is slackware better for performance?? |
| 00:39.29 | goozer | does anyone here have experience with using asterisk with a tor2 card? I'm having a problem ... |
| 00:39.57 | pfn | how much are tor2 cards going for... I'd like one to play with |
| 00:40.17 | abatista | aejlum I don't use slackware I tried it and did not like it. I like RH9 due to so far I have had no problem with it. It just works. |
| 00:40.22 | goozer | had it on the shelf for a year - it was 1500 |
| 00:40.35 | Umaro | anyone know anyone who can provide australian DIDs? |
| 00:40.37 | pfn | it's not worth that much anymore.... |
| 00:40.46 | goozer | there are a couple of new ones for the same price that are better I think |
| 00:40.52 | pfn | right |
| 00:40.56 | pfn | that's why I'm asking going price |
| 00:41.18 | pfn | it's not time-effective to try and go make them myself |
| 00:41.18 | pfn | heh |
| 00:41.22 | aejlum | abatista: hmmm, I'll try them both out.. |
| 00:41.30 | abatista | pfn, there the old digium t400p cards and there still around the same as the t410p/t405p. Digium is taking them as an exchange for 750. Maybe they will start selling them soon. |
| 00:42.04 | aejlum | abatista: what didn't you like about slackware? was it hard to get asterisk working on it? |
| 00:42.18 | pfn | yeah, I'm curious why digium is buying them back |
| 00:42.20 | abatista | aejlum, It needs to load everything manualy. |
| 00:42.31 | pfn | are they gonna turn around and sell them for $75 |
| 00:42.34 | pfn | $750? |
| 00:42.37 | abatista | aejlum, took too long to setup. |
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| 00:42.40 | goozer | maybe the unit cost of the new cards is like $100 to them |
| 00:42.55 | abatista | pfn, no maybe around 850 or 900. |
| 00:42.55 | pfn | goozer could be |
| 00:43.19 | aejlum | abatista: ic.... I think I'll use redhat first then. Thanks |
| 00:43.21 | pfn | bleh, too expensive (relative to me) |
| 00:44.01 | konfuzed | I've seen mention of configing asterisk to be the recipient of a Vonage Serrvice telephone number. Before we setup asterisk my buddy got a Primus Canada TalkBroadBand that runs on H.323 Has anyone tried setting Asterisk to receive calls from Primus H323? and docs that review it? |
| 00:44.07 | abatista | I have 2 extra t400p and I might put them up on ebay to see what I can get for them. |
| 00:44.10 | *** join/#asterisk |Vulture| (~Vulture2@adsl-218-206-49.jax.bellsouth.net) |
| 00:44.42 | pfn | I'm curious as well |
| 00:44.49 | JunK-Y | abatista: we just bought (today) T100P^ |
| 00:44.50 | pfn | then again, not much digium hardware sells on ebay.... |
| 00:45.10 | |Vulture| | just rebadged winmodems |
| 00:45.12 | abatista | JunK-Y, yep you said that earler today. Have you set it up yet. |
| 00:45.21 | pfn | vulture not even rebadged :p |
| 00:45.28 | pfn | unless you consider stickers badges, heh |
| 00:45.32 | |Vulture| | true |
| 00:45.41 | pfn | when we're talking about the x100p, of course |
| 00:45.54 | JunK-Y | abatista: nope, we got it at 5pm, i've left the office at 6:30 |
| 00:46.07 | abatista | I have a problem with one of my t100p if I reboot the server it locks the adtran 750 up. I need to call digium about this. |
| 00:46.09 | JunK-Y | abatista: hard to setup? or really similar to the x100p? |
| 00:46.14 | |Vulture| | I want digium to get the 4 included FXO modules back in stock |
| 00:46.28 | pfn | vulture why not order from another reseller that has them in stock? |
| 00:46.46 | |Vulture| | pfn: umm I didn't know they had resellers lol |
| 00:46.48 | abatista | JunK-Y, it's not hard just follow the directions and it works. |
| 00:46.57 | pfn | vulture there's a list of 'em on digium |
| 00:47.05 | |Vulture| | pfn: omw thanx |
| 00:47.07 | konfuzed | Primus describes it as they only support the DLINK VoiP gateway that's included and all the info I need I am hoping to find in the DLINK set-up. anyone tried this? |
| 00:47.08 | JunK-Y | abatista: which instructions? i've got a simple card. |
| 00:47.24 | abatista | I get mine from cybogistic or something like that. |
| 00:47.44 | abatista | lol you did not get there one page sheet... |
| 00:48.06 | blitzrage | ~seen terrabyte |
| 00:48.12 | jbot | terrabyte <~paul@as3.dm.egate.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #asterisk, 2d 7h 44s ago, saying: 'Whats your ServerRoot?'. |
| 00:48.34 | abatista | argh my baby is crying. got to check up on her... |
| 00:48.45 | blitzrage | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:48.46 | jbot | blitzrage: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 00:49.02 | wsuff | blitzrage: that's what memoserv is for |
| 00:49.15 | blitzrage | wsuff: lol.. true. didn't even think of that :) |
| 00:49.22 | abatista | ./msg terrabyte should work I think.. |
| 00:49.35 | blitzrage | abatista: he's not online though |
| 00:49.45 | trasternell | bye bye |
| 00:49.47 | abatista | ok I not that good at chat rooms.. |
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| 00:49.54 | blitzrage | abatista: ditto :) |
| 00:50.11 | wsuff | blitzrage: u got memo =) |
| 00:50.19 | digilord | Anyone here having probs with a * server behind a Linksys BEFW11S4? |
| 00:50.26 | abatista | blitzrage in your docs is there a page to setup the t100p yet? |
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| 00:50.56 | abatista | digilord, put it behind the dmz port |
| 00:51.18 | abatista | ./sorry on the dmz port. |
| 00:51.26 | |Vulture| | Anyone here live in St. Louis, MO? |
| 00:51.35 | digilord | abatista: I keep getting dropped and my VoIP provider times out after it's been running for 4 hours |
| 00:51.39 | abatista | too far north for me. |
| 00:52.14 | |Vulture| | apparently only union people can do wiring there.... so I have to hire some union guy to do work that I could do |
| 00:52.24 | digilord | abatista: I power-cycle the device and it's fine |
| 00:53.18 | digilord | abatista: It runs the latest firmware. Seems like the little processor is getting slammed and can't handle it |
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| 00:53.33 | JunK-Y | vulture: nope, Montreal,quebec |
| 00:53.34 | JunK-Y | hehhe |
| 00:53.36 | arielb27 | digilord, I have a linksys BEFSX41 and it work. wow I touch it and it rebooted. |
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| 00:54.07 | booyeah8 | anyone having any problems with nufone now? |
| 00:54.07 | arielb27 | I missed some post here. I was playing with my linksys. |
| 00:54.19 | |Vulture| | yea Ive always just gone to an office, rewired it, takes like 2-4hrs... now I got to pay some guy just because I can't touch the wiring without being union |
| 00:54.28 | |Vulture| | unions are for hitler :P |
| 00:54.55 | booyeah8 | telephone unions? |
| 00:55.11 | digilord | arielb27: It's an odd prob. It drops my ENTIRE network. I thought one of you may have had the same prob. |
| 00:55.25 | |Vulture| | booyeah8: wiring rj45 has a union in St. Louis apparently |
| 00:55.38 | digilord | I am replacing it with a new firewall as soon as the kernel is done compiling |
| 00:55.44 | |Vulture| | I can't find any info on it, and the landlord said it had to be done by a union worker |
| 00:55.58 | Umaro | |Vulture|, you might check the asterisk consultants page on the wiki? |
| 00:56.08 | |Vulture| | will do |
| 00:56.24 | Umaro | chances are good any asterisk consultants there will be part of that union |
| 00:56.24 | digilord | St. Louis IS a Union run city. It has to do with the electrical workers union being in the building you work in |
| 00:56.28 | |Vulture| | rather have one of them do the wiring, at least support the community |
| 00:56.53 | booyeah8 | i heard union run cities usually suck |
| 00:56.54 | digilord | I had a problem with that when I worked for a properties firm that had buildings in St. Louis |
| 00:57.04 | digilord | Chicago is the same way |
| 00:57.27 | booyeah8 | unions are not very strong in texas |
| 00:57.43 | |Vulture| | unions are non-existant in Florida |
| 00:57.56 | digilord | It's a pain but unless yer boss wants to pay the fines leave the elevtrical work to them (high and low voltage) |
| 00:58.01 | |Vulture| | I like it that way, you get to do what you want |
| 00:58.15 | |Vulture| | digilord: yea thats what I am doing |
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| 00:58.25 | abatista | ok I got back to my normal settings here now. |
| 00:58.32 | digilord | Takes bloody forever to get any work done LOL |
| 00:58.35 | |Vulture| | I don't want to deal with the fines so I hired a guy found one for $65 an hr |
| 00:58.52 | booyeah8 | thats not that bad |
| 00:58.59 | |Vulture| | digilord: Im gunna have everything done when he gets there except pulling the cables |
| 00:59.00 | booyeah8 | how much of that money goes to the union though? |
| 00:59.11 | booyeah8 | but its for simple stuff like rj45 wiring right? |
| 00:59.24 | JunK-Y | which union are ya talking about guys ? |
| 00:59.27 | digilord | Patch panels and whatnot in place and ready to go |
| 00:59.39 | |Vulture| | digilord: do they have to punch down too? |
| 00:59.40 | digilord | Good idea...They waste a TON of time building racks |
| 00:59.46 | digilord | Yeah |
| 00:59.48 | abatista | I hate union's. They cost me a really nice job in 1988 |
| 00:59.51 | |Vulture| | oh thats BS |
| 01:00.05 | digilord | They have to pull and terminate usually |
| 01:00.18 | |Vulture| | digilord: oky then I better have the rack up when he gets there |
| 01:00.18 | bkw_ | abatista how? |
| 01:00.30 | digilord | Depends on how much of an ass the general contractor that runs the building is |
| 01:00.40 | abatista | When I left the service in 1988 I took a job for Eastern airlnes.. |
| 01:00.47 | digilord | Most of them are real pieces of work |
| 01:01.01 | abatista | 5 month later the Union and Eastern had a major fall out. |
| 01:01.15 | |Vulture| | I wish I could just give the guy $200 and tell him to play with a rubics cube for an hr while I do it all |
| 01:01.53 | digilord | Yeah if that would work I'd still have a job :( |
| 01:02.00 | JunK-Y | vulture: im sure he'll accept these 200$ and shut his mouth. |
| 01:02.56 | |Vulture| | I duno I heard if they report you for bribing them the union people go ape shit |
| 01:03.38 | JunK-Y | vulture: for which company do ya work? |
| 01:03.42 | abatista | Also it's really bad in NY city with the union and hotels. Since we setup IVR's for the hotels there are many problems with the unions there. |
| 01:03.43 | digilord | Ummm...Yeah that's how I got unemployed |
| 01:04.05 | |Vulture| | JunK-Y: Jan-Pro |
| 01:04.28 | JunK-Y | never heard about them. |
| 01:04.44 | |Vulture| | JunK-Y: I just travel from city to city setting up offices for them, they are a janitorial company |
| 01:04.58 | abatista | I feel unions had there place and there were great now we need to back off and let us work. Then if things get bad again then start them up again. |
| 01:05.26 | |Vulture| | abatista: agreed unions were needed back in the 40s and so when conditions were bad etc. |
| 01:05.47 | blitzrage | we have laws to protect workers now |
| 01:05.48 | abatista | |Vulture|, I travel to Hotels setting up IVR's for the Engineering departments.. |
| 01:05.56 | |Vulture| | now we need to return to free buisness... capitalism if I remember correctly |
| 01:05.58 | JunK-Y | vulture: setuping which kind of systems? |
| 01:06.01 | blitzrage | those didn't exist in the 40s.. thus unions were needed |
| 01:06.20 | Umaro | sidekick II.. *drool* |
| 01:06.24 | abatista | Espress www.m-tech.com |
| 01:06.30 | abatista | Espresso |
| 01:06.39 | |Vulture| | JunK-Y: well the new offices are getting 7960s with the * system, the only ones ran on nortel merridian |
| 01:07.02 | abatista | Umaro, Sidekick is the name of one of our products. |
| 01:07.07 | JunK-Y | vulture: cool |
| 01:07.08 | blitzrage | we use Meridian still. Lots of companies in Ontario have Meridian |
| 01:07.25 | JunK-Y | me, i've joined the VoIP department (we're just 2 for now) and im rushing like HELL |
| 01:07.26 | JunK-Y | hehhe |
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| 01:08.40 | abatista | Nortel's wow I have replace two system 20's so far this year.. hehehe |
| 01:09.21 | |Vulture| | our notel systems bite it all the time from lightning |
| 01:09.43 | blitzrage | shouldn't they be on a filtered circuit? |
| 01:09.52 | |Vulture| | oh... they should lol |
| 01:09.57 | blitzrage | :) |
| 01:10.06 | digilord | Nortels get zapped from the T1's a lot too |
| 01:10.16 | blitzrage | most crazy |
| 01:10.22 | abatista | We just replace a complete Nortel for what they wanted just for upgrade to a 2nd cpu for a call center.. 3 asterisk servers and 100 phones.. and save them money too. |
| 01:10.37 | |Vulture| | the one in daytona, fl just lost a line and CID module is dead |
| 01:10.57 | digilord | abatista: The savings in licensing costs for the 2nd CPU would pay your salary for 6 months |
| 01:11.00 | chuj1 | abatista: Do you do all the support after the install? i.e. adding users, etc? |
| 01:11.16 | abatista | chuj1, yepper |
| 01:11.34 | chuj1 | abatista: Do you just sell a service contract? Or bill by the hour? |
| 01:11.35 | pfn | good to see that at least someone is profitable doing * consulting |
| 01:11.36 | pfn | heh |
| 01:11.44 | chuj1 | pfn: I feel ya |
| 01:11.49 | abatista | we just shh into the system with putty and your on. |
| 01:12.14 | |Vulture| | abatista: I hope you secure those boxes well :) |
| 01:12.22 | abatista | chuj1, first year included 10% after but it depends on the system. and the sales person. |
| 01:12.36 | chuj1 | abatista: Interesting.... |
| 01:13.00 | abatista | |Vulture|, there is never a fully secured system. But we try. |
| 01:13.02 | |Vulture| | abatista: do you have a general pricing system? Id like to see what people are charging |
| 01:13.31 | chuj1 | My former employer sells traditional PBX's but doesn't do any VOIP solutions. I'm considering investing in the company and working with them again. They have over 1500 customers now |
| 01:13.40 | |Vulture| | mostly I use apf firewall, put the SSH port to something random, and remove root SSH logins |
| 01:13.55 | abatista | |Vulture|, no my sales people handle that I am just an engineer. |
| 01:14.05 | |Vulture| | gotchya |
| 01:14.29 | chuj1 | abatista: And these large systems have been as stable as a traditional system for you? |
| 01:15.45 | abatista | chuj1, we just started last year so far it's been good. Only some problems mostly software bugs. |
| 01:16.22 | chuj1 | cool, glad it's working out for you |
| 01:16.26 | chuj1 | I'm really considering it |
| 01:18.17 | pfn | oh hell, might as well do it, not *that* much effort |
| 01:18.51 | |Vulture| | zaptel config from web? |
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| 01:18.58 | abatista | We are starting to get adsi working for asterisk. But it only supports level i not ii. |
| 01:19.48 | pfn | it = * ? |
| 01:25.22 | chuj1 | abatista: adsi on what? phones? |
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| 01:25.51 | abatista | yes on the aastra and sayson analog display phones 390/480 |
| 01:27.02 | slePP | who's up for a 2 hour PHP writing session? :> |
| 01:27.11 | file[desk] | go implode! |
| 01:27.15 | slePP | hmm |
| 01:27.16 | slePP | okie :> |
| 01:28.01 | blitzrage | I am |
| 01:28.07 | JunK-Y | y0 slePP |
| 01:28.26 | slePP | 'lo |
| 01:28.34 | slePP | blitzrage: are you good at it? :> |
| 01:29.16 | pfn | php sucks :p |
| 01:29.19 | slePP | yeh |
| 01:29.20 | slePP | but it's fast |
| 01:29.25 | JunK-Y | perl is faster |
| 01:29.25 | bkw_ | slePP you going to astricon? |
| 01:29.29 | JunK-Y | php isnt shit. |
| 01:29.33 | JunK-Y | :) |
| 01:29.37 | bkw_ | no php is shit |
| 01:29.39 | bkw_ | :P |
| 01:29.41 | slePP | nono |
| 01:29.42 | bkw_ | lets get it right |
| 01:29.45 | slePP | not speed wise |
| 01:29.48 | pfn | I just don't like php cuz it doesn't separate business logic from presentation |
| 01:29.49 | slePP | PHP is fast to write web things in |
| 01:29.53 | slePP | perl isn't quite as fast |
| 01:29.55 | pfn | I harp on that a lot.... |
| 01:29.55 | bkw_ | php doesn't scale |
| 01:29.59 | bkw_ | with database access |
| 01:30.05 | slePP | pfn: most things don't :> |
| 01:30.14 | pfn | slepp that's not true |
| 01:30.14 | JunK-Y | bkw: next time, place this in north, close to quebec :d |
| 01:30.26 | JunK-Y | bkw_: huh? |
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| 01:31.09 | slePP | pfn: 'tis. |
| 01:31.25 | slePP | perl needs more to get up off the ground for CGI type stuff |
| 01:31.27 | slePP | than PHP |
| 01:31.35 | abatista | Atlanta is good I can fly there and see my sister... |
| 01:31.45 | slePP | but, well, that takes even longer :> |
| 01:32.00 | |Vulture| | I love php |
| 01:32.11 | pfn | jsp sucks, too |
| 01:32.16 | pfn | jsp is just as bad as php |
| 01:32.17 | pfn | ugh |
| 01:32.21 | slePP | you prefer perl of jsp/servlets? |
| 01:32.24 | slePP | that's just weird. |
| 01:32.30 | |Vulture| | if you hate php... what do you like? |
| 01:32.30 | pfn | I prefer servlets |
| 01:32.40 | pfn | my servlets generate xml |
| 01:32.44 | pfn | you know where that goes from there.... |
| 01:32.45 | slePP | pfn: when i talk about doing jsp, the jsp is just presentation side. the rest is in the backend classes |
| 01:33.17 | slePP | of which i use struts for presentation |
| 01:33.18 | pfn | well, jsp makes it too easy to do more than just presentation |
| 01:33.21 | slePP | so. heh. i like jsp |
| 01:33.22 | abatista | pfn xml is slow and need heavy back end servers. |
| 01:33.30 | slePP | xml is fast |
| 01:33.30 | pfn | abatista that's not true at all |
| 01:33.33 | slePP | and needs nothing on the backend |
| 01:33.40 | slePP | Mozilla gets it right |
| 01:33.40 | pfn | my whole * config is xml based |
| 01:33.41 | JunK-Y | php isnt ready for xml (personnal opinion) |
| 01:33.43 | slePP | IE.... not so much |
| 01:33.43 | JunK-Y | java yes. |
| 01:33.49 | slePP | PHP is fine with XML too |
| 01:34.03 | JunK-Y | not in PHP4 |
| 01:34.08 | blitzrage | slePP: not really :) I'm just a hack :) |
| 01:34.19 | slePP | or xml with php, however you want to look at it |
| 01:34.37 | pfn | http://w3.gofti.com/cdr.xsl |
| 01:34.38 | pfn | that |
| 01:34.45 | slePP | pfn: i'm not sure how you figure perl splits presentation from code, btw. |
| 01:34.45 | pfn | http://w3.gofti.com/cdr.xml |
| 01:34.46 | pfn | plus that |
| 01:35.09 | JunK-Y | slepp: we had trouble, and a lot of ppl told me it was trouble with DOM in php4. |
| 01:35.09 | pfn | hrm, I didn't generate a cdr.html out of that |
| 01:35.22 | slePP | JunK-Y: php has a dom? |
| 01:35.23 | pfn | slepp easy, the perl only produces xml |
| 01:35.31 | slePP | pfn: yes, but so can PHP |
| 01:35.35 | slePP | so there is no distinction there |
| 01:36.01 | aejlum | slepp: c#? it's a good alternative. |
| 01:36.03 | pfn | but whatever php produces is the presentation |
| 01:36.14 | slePP | doesn't need to be. |
| 01:36.32 | pfn | that's ugly :p |
| 01:36.33 | slePP | because, in essence, perl is doing the same thing. whatever it produces in theory is presentation |
| 01:36.35 | JunK-Y | ya're using DOM to parse ur xml (if ya want it) |
| 01:36.37 | slePP | what you do with that is up to you. |
| 01:36.45 | pfn | damnit, where's my cdr.html that corresponds to those xml/xsl |
| 01:36.48 | JunK-Y | slePP: do ya prefer perl ? |
| 01:36.50 | slePP | JunK-Y: are you talking about parsing incoming xml or outputting it? |
| 01:37.00 | slePP | but CGI's in C are not fun |
| 01:37.04 | JunK-Y | parsing ? incoming. |
| 01:37.05 | abatista | xml is for outputs I like java/ and c for the back end. PHP is quick and easy to build things fast. |
| 01:37.37 | slePP | but it scales like sheeit as the stuff gets larger |
| 01:37.41 | slePP | but under 4000 lines, all is good |
| 01:37.45 | JunK-Y | i've work with php and perl with xml and i prefer perl |
| 01:38.03 | JunK-Y | slePP: ya php is fast |
| 01:38.07 | slePP | not to mention mod_perl2 is kinda.. flaky |
| 01:38.07 | JunK-Y | even for bash scripts. |
| 01:38.15 | slePP | k. no. |
| 01:38.19 | slePP | php is _not_ CLI |
| 01:38.30 | slePP | (k, it _works_ from cli, but really. that's not what it should ever be used for) |
| 01:38.36 | pfn | http://w3.gofti.com/xsl/cdr.xsl + http://w3.gofti.com/xml/cdr.xml = http://w3.gofti.com/cdr.html |
| 01:38.45 | JunK-Y | what do ya mean with CLI ? |
| 01:38.51 | slePP | pfn: don't you have the xml pointing to the xsl? |
| 01:38.55 | slePP | so we can just get the xml? |
| 01:39.01 | pfn | slepp, currently no :( |
| 01:39.03 | abatista | pfn, now that is a nice display. |
| 01:39.10 | slePP | pfn: fix that sheeit then |
| 01:39.13 | slePP | pfn: it's a one liner. |
| 01:39.17 | JunK-Y | all the xml technology is really powerful. |
| 01:39.18 | pfn | slepp unfortunately, it can't be done |
| 01:39.21 | slePP | why not? |
| 01:39.29 | slePP | <?xml-stylesheet .... ?> |
| 01:39.35 | pfn | <xsl:include href="arg:/nested-template"/> |
| 01:39.37 | file[desk] | any java coders in the house? |
| 01:39.39 | pfn | that one line breaks it all for me :( |
| 01:39.47 | slePP | you don't want that |
| 01:39.53 | slePP | you're not bringing in <xsl> into the namespace |
| 01:39.53 | pfn | I can't do anything about it |
| 01:39.59 | slePP | file: me |
| 01:40.05 | JunK-Y | which with language are ya coding ur AGI slepp ? perl ? |
| 01:40.07 | slePP | pfn: you need a PI for it |
| 01:40.21 | pfn | slepp no, the problem is that I'm including a nested template dynamically |
| 01:40.22 | slePP | JunK-Y: C and Perl and uhm. C and perl. and uhm. c ... some perl :> |
| 01:40.31 | JunK-Y | hehhee |
| 01:40.33 | pfn | and I'm doing that using a proprietary feature of the xslt processor I'm using |
| 01:40.46 | slePP | pfn: er.. so why are you doing that and not using xsl logic? |
| 01:40.54 | JunK-Y | i wonder, should i make my ACCEPT and HANGUP into my AGI or in my extensions.conf ? |
| 01:40.58 | pfn | because templates can't be included dynamically in xslt |
| 01:41.05 | pfn | they're parsed at compile time, not runtime |
| 01:41.10 | file[desk] | slePP, you might laugh at that |
| 01:41.22 | pfn | and in order to reduce linecount/redundancy, I have a main page framework/layout |
| 01:41.27 | pfn | http://w3.gofti.com/xsl/page_format.xsl |
| 01:41.33 | slePP | pfn: k. no... question is why don't you make the xsl behave and handle it all like it should? |
| 01:41.36 | pfn | without duplicating that code into each file |
| 01:41.38 | slePP | i don't see why you need to pull it in 100 times |
| 01:41.46 | pfn | I can't change the include |
| 01:41.52 | pfn | take a look at that and it becomes somewhat obvious |