irclog2html for #asterisk on 20040823

`00:00.04`	`Darwin35`	`sorry had a small problem`
`00:00.38`	`PatrickDK`	`heh, you could do it with sox`
`00:00.59`	`PatrickDK`	`just have sox input file /dev/dsp, and resample to 8k 16bit`
`00:02.40`	`Darwin35`	`8000k seems to be the best rate`
`00:03.39`	`Darwin35`	`so it seems ztdummy is working on bsd I have had it for 2 days no problem`
`00:04.37`	`PatrickDK`	`heh, what version of asterisk?`
`00:04.43`	`PatrickDK`	`not cvs are ya?`
`00:04.54`	`Darwin35`	`todays cvs`
`00:05.06`	`PatrickDK`	`hmm, they must of updated the drivers`
`00:05.07`	`denon`	`you've been running today's cvs for the past 2 days?`
`00:05.36`	`Darwin35`	`no I am runnin g cvs as of friday`
`00:06.07`	`Darwin35`	`but I just pulled todays src not built it yet`
`00:06.14`	`Darwin35`	`but meetme is working`
`00:06.21`	`Darwin35`	`wich is a big thing`
`00:08.02`	`*** join/#asterisk sauber (~ask@Gf558.g.pppool.de)`
`00:08.19`	`Chuji_`	`ahh, now I see my the mailing list is quiet`
`00:08.49`	`Chuji_`	`Was kind of shocked when I pulled it up and it was empty`
`00:09.00`	`Darwin35`	`?`
`00:09.04`	`Darwin35`	`what list`
`00:09.20`	`Chuji_`	`/topic`
`00:09.25`	`wsuff`	`Chuji_: lists were moved to another server by kram today`
`00:11.21`	`bkw_`	`yo yo yo yo`
`00:12.03`	`Darwin35`	`hey bkw`
`00:17.17`	`blitzrage`	`bkw_: zup`
`00:18.31`	`bkw_`	`my bank balance`
`00:18.34`	`bkw_`	`yours?`
`00:18.50`	`bkw_`	`:P`
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`00:20.06`	`Darwin35`	`send of of the $$ this way`
`00:20.34`	`blitzrage`	`bkw_: nuttin that should be`
`00:21.16`	`blitzrage`	`bkw_: just fillin' out OSAP applications... weeeeeeeee, more loans.`
`00:21.55`	`brc_`	`anyone want a gmail account?`
`00:22.24`	`brc_`	`free`
`00:22.55`	`brc_`	`just give me your credit card number for verification purposes`
`00:23.01`	`brc_`	`blah!`
`00:23.16`	`brc_`	`outage...ick`
`00:23.19`	`brc_`	`doesn't say how long`
`00:23.49`	`scud`	`Aug 23 00:25:53 NOTICE[1150495040]: chan_iax2.c:5603 socket_read: Registration of '> scud' rejected: Registration Refused`
`00:24.02`	`scud`	`how can i tell which one that is talking about?`
`00:25.02`	`brc_`	`what do you mean`
`00:25.24`	`scud`	`i keep getting those warnings`
`00:25.39`	`scud`	`i have couple of registers with the username scud`
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`00:28.09`	`dant`	`scud, you haven't got a typo in there have you, e.g. register =>> scud ?`
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`00:31.06`	`wsuff`	`brc_: about an hr according the the news link`
`00:31.32`	`letherglov`	`yo`
`00:32.13`	`letherglov`	`anyone know anything about supressing inband dtmf sounds?`
`00:32.21`	`PatrickDK`	`supressing?`
`00:32.40`	`letherglov`	`well, I want my asterisk headed to "hear" them through the fxs ports the extensions are connected to`
`00:32.55`	`letherglov`	`but I don't want the signals to keep going to the fxo interface connected to the pstn on the other end`
`00:33.05`	`letherglov`	`basically, I don't want the caller to hear 'em`
`00:33.27`	`PatrickDK`	`hmm, if you press transfer, the caller doesn't`
`00:33.31`	`PatrickDK`	`dunno about hangup`
`00:33.41`	`letherglov`	`transfer?`
`00:33.46`	`PatrickDK`	`# by default`
`00:34.06`	`letherglov`	`my phones send a funny DTMF tone for the "Transfer" button`
`00:34.09`	`letherglov`	`not just flash`
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`00:34.19`	`PatrickDK`	`asterisk doesn't do anything, unless you press * or # a first`
`00:34.31`	`PatrickDK`	`hmm, analog phones, don;t have transfer`
`00:35.01`	`letherglov`	`I have a quasi-adsi-pbx analog phone`
`00:35.05`	`letherglov`	`it sends DTMF tone B5`
`00:35.17`	`letherglov`	`it's not programmable from what I can tell`
`00:35.25`	`PatrickDK`	`hmm, add the transfer patch`
`00:35.25`	`letherglov`	`it just has physical buttons hard-mapped to dtmf tones`
`00:35.32`	`PatrickDK`	`and setup transfer to B5 then :)`
`00:35.46`	`letherglov`	`will the guy at the other end still hear it?`
`00:35.51`	`PatrickDK`	`dunno if asterisk detects a,b,c,d though, I want it to, just haven't tested it`
`00:35.56`	`letherglov`	`yes, it does`
`00:35.56`	`PatrickDK`	`shouldn't`
`00:36.03`	`letherglov`	`that I've got going already in my dialplan`
`00:36.10`	`letherglov`	`but that only works at the dialtone`
`00:36.13`	`letherglov`	`not in a cacll`
`00:36.15`	`letherglov`	`*call`
`00:36.27`	`PatrickDK`	`ya, get the trasfer patch`
`00:36.35`	`letherglov`	`wiki or mantis?`
`00:36.51`	`PatrickDK`	`http://bugs.digium.com/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=0002010`
`00:36.57`	`PatrickDK`	`make sure you thank twisted :)`
`00:37.07`	`letherglov`	`ah, this thing`
`00:37.12`	`letherglov`	`someone was talking about it around 1:30 this morning`
`00:37.16`	`letherglov`	`twisted was on at the time`
`00:37.36`	`PatrickDK`	`what phone do you have?`
`00:37.38`	`letherglov`	`take19?`
`00:37.47`	`PatrickDK`	`I want analog phones that have transfer on them :)`
`00:37.51`	`letherglov`	`it's a BizFon BizTouch 2`
`00:37.56`	`PatrickDK`	`take19, I'm using 18 at the moent`
`00:38.00`	`letherglov`	`it came with a BizFon system I'm replacing`
`00:38.09`	`letherglov`	`they're $99 analog phones`
`00:38.10`	`denon`	`anyone know a way to make tar only archive files OLDER than a certain date?`
`00:38.14`	`denon`	`all I see is newer`
`00:38.14`	`letherglov`	`I'd get a screen phone for that price`
`00:38.24`	`letherglov`	`(if I was buying new)`
`00:38.53`	`letherglov`	`excellent, this is a great patch`
`00:38.58`	`letherglov`	`it should work with my hold button too`
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`00:39.00`	`PatrickDK`	`I was looking for analog phones with a,b,c,d that I would make trasfer/hold/...`
`00:39.19`	`letherglov`	`yeah, it's got caller id and a timer`
`00:39.28`	`letherglov`	`but seriously, you can get an Aastra 480e for the price of these things`
`00:39.43`	`letherglov`	`the whole idea behind using them is to avoid spending more money on unnecessary new equipment`
`00:39.50`	`PatrickDK`	`yep`
`00:40.22`	`malcolmd`	`ok..I think I've got the mailing lists functioning again :D`
`00:40.46`	`malcolmd`	`everybody on the -bsd list, sorry about all the test messages ;)`
`00:40.47`	`wsuff`	`malcolmd: i don't know what i'd do w/o that flood of mail every day`
`00:41.03`	`malcolmd`	`wsuff: yup, it keeps us all carefully grounded`
`00:41.09`	`letherglov`	`wsuff: I'll redirect my spam to you, if you feel lonely`
`00:41.20`	`malcolmd`	`<down arrow> <D key> <down arror> <D key> ;)`
`00:41.36`	`letherglov`	`wsuff: there's lots of good stuff about buying viagra to please your girlfriend and expelled nigerian drug dealers`
`00:41.59`	`wsuff`	`letherglov: girlfriend what's that?`
`00:42.20`	`wsuff`	`letherglov: any besides i have comcast i get plenty of spam on that and they refuse to do anything`
`00:42.24`	`letherglov`	`wsuff: when you're older I'll tell you about it ;-)`
`00:43.47`	`letherglov`	`does twisted know if mark will apply the transfer patch to the HEAD?`
`00:45.25`	`Chuji_`	`or Cold`
`00:45.32`	`letherglov`	`try warm diet vanilla coke`
`00:45.35`	`PatrickDK`	`heh, cold it just tastes like water to me`
`00:46.09`	`Chuji_`	`so why not drink water?`
`00:46.17`	`Chuji_`	`less expensive, and better for you`
`00:46.25`	`*** part/#asterisk {^DaNi^} (~dcp@193.127.8.2)`
`00:46.29`	`PatrickDK`	`I normally do gatorade and water`
`00:46.42`	`Chuji_`	`shouldn't drink too much gatorade`
`00:46.42`	`PatrickDK`	`but they didn't have any at the store I was at, and I was thirsty`
`00:46.53`	`PatrickDK`	`chuji, hmm, only about 2 gallons a day`
`00:46.54`	`Chuji_`	`Quick way to wack our your electrolites`
`00:47.07`	`Chuji_`	`PatrickDK : You shouldn't do that`
`00:47.15`	`Chuji_`	`Unless you are very physically active`
`00:47.19`	`letherglov`	`healthy living tips on IRC?`
`00:47.21`	`PatrickDK`	`I know, but when I'm at work, I'm very hot`
`00:47.24`	`letherglov`	`have you all gone mad?`
`00:47.25`	`PatrickDK`	`and water isn't good`
`00:47.30`	`wsuff`	`2 gallons a day`
`00:47.32`	`wsuff`	`damn`
`00:47.43`	`wsuff`	`isn't that like a dollar or 2 a bottle`
`00:47.54`	`Chuji_`	`PatrickDK : wtf do you do? shingle roofs?`
`00:47.59`	`PatrickDK`	`2 for 32onces`
`00:48.07`	`PatrickDK`	`chuji, worse, HVAC systems`
`00:48.16`	`PatrickDK`	`attics, outside, heh, fun work`
`00:48.22`	`Chuji_`	`sheesh`
`00:48.26`	`wsuff`	`PatrickDK: better u than me`
`00:48.32`	`PatrickDK`	`I like it, need something active`
`00:48.34`	`Chuji_`	`your a techie, can't you get an IT job?`
`00:48.39`	`wsuff`	`i'll sit on my ass in the ac`
`00:48.42`	`PatrickDK`	`chuji, oh no problem`
`00:48.45`	`*** join/#asterisk sivana (~richard@209.91.159.221)`
`00:48.51`	`PatrickDK`	`but I would kill myself doing it`
`00:49.06`	`Chuji_`	`10 years of this shit`
`00:49.11`	`PatrickDK`	`I like playing on the compter, but not 40 hours a week, all the time, no matter what`
`00:49.18`	`Chuji_`	`Maybe I should go do HVAC work`
`00:49.27`	`wsuff`	`i wanna blow shit up`
`00:49.32`	`wsuff`	`always sounded cool`
`00:49.35`	`letherglov`	`haha`
`00:49.38`	`PatrickDK`	`wsuff, I did that`
`00:49.42`	`Chuji_`	`40 hours? Try 60 hours when you have an IT career`
`00:49.43`	`PatrickDK`	`got in trouble too`
`00:49.44`	`letherglov`	`HVAC pays well AFAIK`
`00:49.50`	`doughecka`	`haha`
`00:49.52`	`letherglov`	`although once you install it you're married to it forever`
`00:49.58`	`PatrickDK`	`hehe :)`
`00:49.59`	`wsuff`	`Chuji_: try more if it's your own biz =)`
`00:50.28`	`wsuff`	`i've got to just count how much time i'm not at the pc doing something for work less to track`
`00:50.30`	`Chuji_`	`wsuff : Yeah, true... That's the only reason I've never taken that next step`
`00:50.49`	`Chuji_`	`I have a 1yo daughter now though`
`00:50.51`	`wsuff`	`Chuji_: to each his/her own`
`00:51.04`	`PatrickDK`	`ya, that is going be my problem soon`
`00:51.08`	`PatrickDK`	`do hvac fulltime`
`00:51.16`	`PatrickDK`	`and computer stuff almost full time too`
`00:51.21`	`Chuji_`	`If I were to do my gig, I should have done it sever years ago`
`00:51.59`	`Chuji_`	`Shit, I must be tired. That sentance made no sense`
`00:52.08`	`wsuff`	`serveral`
`00:52.17`	`wsuff`	`my translator is on 150%`
`00:52.33`	`wsuff`	`gotta get good at that dealing w/ ims and emails all day`
`00:52.46`	`wsuff`	`no one ever says what they want i've noticed just parts of it`
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`01:04.04`	`file[laptop]`	`hey matt`
`01:04.09`	`menger`	`hi file`
`01:07.35`	`implicit`	`anyone know how to dynamically use extensions.conf from mysql?`
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`01:20.43`	`wsuff`	`implicit: there is a mysql app for asterisk that you could do it w/ or use astdb to query on where to route calls`
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`01:37.25`	`pfn`	`Aug 22 18:07:22 NOTICE[31759]: channel.c:1287 ast_read: Dropping incompatible voice frame on Local/300@internal-5333,2 of format G729A since our native format has changed to ULAW`
`01:37.28`	`pfn`	`hrm, I wonder what causes that`
`01:37.46`	`sizban`	`maybe it's the VoIP gremlins ...`
`01:37.59`	`pfn`	`I get that when I do cfwdall on the cisco to an fxs exten`
`01:38.08`	`pfn`	`but default codec on the cisco is ulaw`
`01:38.48`	`PatrickDK`	`hmm, I have never seen tat`
`01:38.49`	`PatrickDK`	`that`
`01:38.57`	`PatrickDK`	`but I have it forced to ulaw only in my configs`
`01:39.08`	`pfn`	`well, in sip.conf g729 has higher order than ulaw`
`01:39.13`	`pfn`	`but in the cisco, preferred codec is ulaw`
`01:39.22`	`ManxPower`	`PatrickDK: disallow=all and allow=g729?`
`01:39.31`	`ManxPower`	`or allow=ulaw?`
`01:39.50`	`pfn`	`must try it again and see if audio gets passed or not`
`01:39.51`	`PatrickDK`	`well, on both sides really`
`01:39.57`	`PatrickDK`	`disallow=all, allow=ulaw`
`01:40.03`	`PatrickDK`	`and on the cisco, only allow ulaw`
`01:40.06`	`ManxPower`	`pfn: There is some debate as to if the order of the codecs really makes any difference in sip.conf`
`01:40.23`	`pfn`	`manxpower it makes a tiny bit of difference, not a whole lot...`
`01:40.34`	`pfn`	`e.g. I call up x-lite, no matter what I do (disallow=all) it always tries to default to speex`
`01:40.36`	`ManxPower`	`Supposedly the order in [general] in sip.conf make a difference, but the order in the [happysipclient] do NOT matter.`
`01:40.38`	`PatrickDK`	`my testing says it doesn't matter, atleast with 0.90 I was using when I was doing the test`
`01:40.39`	`pfn`	`unless I disable speex on x-lite`
`01:40.44`	`pfn`	`manxpower that's right`
`01:41.00`	`ManxPower`	`PatrickDK: I doubt it matters in the least in 0.9`
`01:41.25`	`PatrickDK`	`heh, I haven't tested it recently`
`01:41.34`	`PatrickDK`	`just got tired, and just said, ulaw only`
`01:45.01`	`yaboo`	`whats a good networking tool to determine is my lan can handle voip`
`01:45.24`	`yaboo`	`something like ntop/mrtg that can record the data usuage acros the network`
`01:45.32`	`PatrickDK`	`that won't work well`
`01:45.39`	`yaboo`	`ad also single out the voip part`
`01:45.41`	`PatrickDK`	`those do 5min averages`
`01:45.57`	`yaboo`	`ok then what would you suggest`
`01:46.01`	`PatrickDK`	`you need to know millisecond spikes`
`01:46.07`	`yaboo`	`ok`
`01:46.46`	`PatrickDK`	`I dunno, I nomally limit everything down to resonable limits`
`01:46.55`	`PatrickDK`	`and set voip to high priority`
`01:46.56`	`yaboo`	`know commercial software that will do it, but once off it is too expensive`
`01:47.09`	`yaboo`	`PatrickDK, so you do QoS?`
`01:47.25`	`PatrickDK`	`ya, why wouldn't ya?`
`01:47.42`	`PatrickDK`	`have severaly layer3 and 2 switchs`
`01:47.58`	`yaboo`	`ok QoS with what, cisco, linux etc?`
`01:48.14`	`PatrickDK`	`cisco, netgear, linux, freebsd, windows, ...`
`01:48.27`	`yaboo`	`ok`
`01:48.34`	`PatrickDK`	`everybody does qos these days`
`01:48.41`	`yaboo`	`ok`
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`02:03.48`	`jack2341`	`Is there a simple way to check to see if odbc is working?`
`02:04.00`	`pfn`	`isql`
`02:05.37`	`PatrickDK`	`odd, it looks like a raid5+raid5 is faster than raid1+raid1+raid1`
`02:05.51`	`letherglov`	`probably all the caching`
`02:06.04`	`PatrickDK`	`maybe, not sure`
`02:06.10`	`PatrickDK`	`ran the test 5 times on each`
`02:06.16`	`letherglov`	`hey PatrickDK I've been looking at this transfer patch`
`02:06.17`	`PatrickDK`	`and ditched the first test`
`02:06.25`	`PatrickDK`	`ya?`
`02:06.39`	`letherglov`	`I have a need to do the transfer command on an extension by extension basis`
`02:06.46`	`file[laptop]`	`it appears to be 11PM.`
`02:06.58`	`letherglov`	`so it's almost more worthwhile to me to have it added to the Dial command arguments with the key sequence too`
`02:07.16`	`letherglov`	`any pros/cons to doing it that way?`
`02:07.38`	`PatrickDK`	`not sure what you mean?`
`02:07.46`	`PatrickDK`	`you mean add T or t to the dial command?`
`02:08.15`	`letherglov`	`like`
`02:08.19`	`letherglov`	`t(B5)`
`02:08.31`	`letherglov`	`it might actually be`
`02:08.32`	`PatrickDK`	`heh, you can do that? heh, I haven't tried`
`02:08.38`	`letherglov`	`t[(b5)]`
`02:08.42`	`letherglov`	`no, you can't`
`02:08.46`	`letherglov`	`but it would be nice`
`02:09.14`	`PatrickDK`	`more ugly hacks to app_dial`
`02:10.16`	`letherglov`	`well`
`02:10.26`	`letherglov`	`app Dial should really have a more consistent backend IMHO`
`02:10.35`	`letherglov`	`I'd connect it to ODBC to setup dial groups and whatnot`
`02:10.48`	`PatrickDK`	`na, app_dial need to be split into parts`
`02:10.56`	`letherglov`	`that way you can respect individual extension settings, in combination with groups`
`02:10.58`	`PatrickDK`	`but that isn't easy at the moment, the way it has grown`
`02:11.16`	`letherglov`	`well, basically`
`02:11.26`	`letherglov`	`ringing extensions and dialing others is "the shit"`
`02:11.49`	`letherglov`	`you could modularize arguments to dial ;-)`
`02:11.49`	`letherglov`	`hah`
`02:18.12`	`letherglov`	`how do real systems structure their ringing/dial commands?`
`02:18.48`	`Chuji_`	`implying that Asterisk isn't a real system?`
`02:19.10`	`letherglov`	`it's real, it's just not 20 years old`
`02:19.40`	`Chuji_`	`Yeah, I know what you mean. I was just messing with you`
`02:19.48`	`Chuji_`	`It's not dad's old PBX`
`02:20.29`	`amer`	`How can use a Database to add SIP users?`
`02:23.23`	`tessier_`	`lecram: They carve them on slate tablets`
`02:23.48`	`wsuff`	`amer: u got mail`
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`02:37.32`	`pfn`	`then don't say real :p`
`02:42.50`	`letherglov`	`well`
`02:43.02`	`letherglov`	`I just did some reading on the avaya systems`
`02:43.11`	`letherglov`	`they're just way more complicated than a Dial statement`
`02:45.56`	`pfn`	`indeed`
`02:46.57`	`letherglov`	`I've seen a solution to the Dial problem using AGI scripts`
`02:47.00`	`letherglov`	`which isn't a bad way to go`
`02:47.05`	`pfn`	`what dial problem?`
`02:47.12`	`letherglov`	`it's just nice to have it integrated into the core so you're not maintaining your own stuff`
`02:47.28`	`letherglov`	`I'd like to be able to specify transfer hotkey on an extension by extension basis`
`02:47.36`	`letherglov`	`plus respect DND`
`02:48.06`	`pfn`	`respecting dnd is easy :p`
`02:52.07`	`letherglov`	`how so?`
`02:53.22`	`wsuff`	`check dnd flag b4 dial`
`02:53.25`	`wsuff`	`if set go to vm`
`02:53.28`	`wsuff`	`else dial`
`02:55.46`	`letherglov`	`yeah, but what if you're ringing 20 extensions simultaneously?`
`02:56.03`	`letherglov`	`then how are you going to decide which extension to include in the Dial statement and which to not include?`
`02:56.07`	`letherglov`	`append them to a variable?`
`02:56.10`	`wsuff`	`sure`
`02:56.16`	`wsuff`	`no reason u can't do that`
`02:56.59`	`pfn`	`ringing 20 extensions simultaneously? talk about chaos`
`02:57.03`	`letherglov`	`hah`
`02:57.04`	`letherglov`	`no`
`02:57.17`	`letherglov`	`you just get the idea that someone is calling ;-)`
`02:57.30`	`wsuff`	`letherglov: name a legit purpose of ringing 20 phones at once`
`02:57.35`	`letherglov`	`residence`
`02:57.56`	`wsuff`	`do u yourself have 20 phones in your house`
`02:57.58`	`pfn`	`turn off the ringer`
`02:57.58`	`pfn`	`:p`
`02:58.02`	`wsuff`	`i can't stand just 5`
`02:58.03`	`letherglov`	`no`
`02:58.15`	`wsuff`	`20 would be insane`
`02:58.18`	`letherglov`	`but it can add up in some places`
`02:58.20`	`letherglov`	`tivos, modems`
`02:58.21`	`letherglov`	`faxes`
`02:58.24`	`letherglov`	`etc etc etc`
`02:58.27`	`pfn`	`you don't ring a tivo`
`02:58.29`	`pfn`	`or fax or modem`
`02:58.30`	`letherglov`	`now, those wouldn't ring`
`02:58.30`	`pfn`	`:p`
`02:58.39`	`letherglov`	`but they're part of the fxs groups`
`02:58.48`	`pfn`	`you don't put them in the same group`
`02:58.52`	`wsuff`	`letherglov: it should be broke into sperate lines anyway`
`02:58.58`	`wsuff`	`like we have a primary phone line here`
`02:59.00`	`wsuff`	`and a data line`
`02:59.07`	`wsuff`	`for the fax and crap`
`02:59.18`	`letherglov`	`well, yes`
`02:59.24`	`letherglov`	`that exists already`
`02:59.40`	`letherglov`	`but I'm trying to replace a sytem with an at least functionally equivalent system`
`02:59.41`	`letherglov`	`plus some`
`02:59.43`	`letherglov`	`but no less`
`02:59.56`	`wsuff`	`well that still won't improve stupidity`
`03:00.08`	`wsuff`	`sure u can dial 20+ extens`
`03:00.24`	`wsuff`	`but isn't there wiser solutions from a deployment level`
`03:00.51`	`letherglov`	`perhaps`
`03:01.11`	`letherglov`	`but I'm trying to not rock the boat too much`
`03:01.17`	`letherglov`	`in the future, yes, sure, why not`
`03:01.23`	`wsuff`	`u can't replace a 5 star hotel w/ a budget motel and not expect some changes`
`03:01.25`	`pfn`	`why are all the phones in the house a separate extension?`
`03:01.26`	`letherglov`	`but for now, migrating from one to the other is hard enough`
`03:01.30`	`pfn`	`it's kinda neat but still....`
`03:01.41`	`letherglov`	`they are`
`03:01.43`	`wsuff`	`pfn: all 4 of em are here too`
`03:01.47`	`letherglov`	`plus, all 6 line capable`
`03:01.52`	`wsuff`	`pfn: allows phone to phone calls`
`03:02.02`	`letherglov`	`with intercom, transfer, hold, etc.`
`03:02.28`	`wsuff`	`letherglov: if it works for what they need why mess w/ it in the first place`
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`03:02.42`	`letherglov`	`'cause conference hasn't worked ever`
`03:02.50`	`letherglov`	`plus, it's dying`
`03:02.55`	`letherglov`	`15 years does that ;-)`
`03:03.12`	`wsuff`	`letherglov: so u better get cracking seems u got alot left to do`
`03:03.14`	`wsuff`	`b4 it dies`
`03:03.31`	`letherglov`	`hah, not so much actually`
`03:03.57`	`letherglov`	`it's mostly finding the right phone`
`03:04.04`	`letherglov`	`and building the right dial plan`
`03:04.05`	`wsuff`	`that's what they all say until they are knee deep in mud then realize there is no easy way out except more work`
`03:04.09`	`letherglov`	`hahaha`
`03:04.13`	`letherglov`	`well`
`03:04.14`	`letherglov`	`how about`
`03:04.18`	`_Vile`	`lether, IP or analog?`
`03:04.22`	`letherglov`	`"This function has not been programmed yet. Please try again."`
`03:04.26`	`letherglov`	`analog`
`03:04.31`	`wsuff`	`if u have quality analog phones u can channel bank em`
`03:04.36`	`wsuff`	`or use them as is`
`03:04.36`	`_Vile`	`powertouches are nice looking phones for business`
`03:04.37`	`pfn`	`what analog phone is 6 line capable?`
`03:04.37`	`letherglov`	`precisely`
`03:04.46`	`letherglov`	`the current ones are not analog`
`03:04.47`	`wsuff`	`pfn: good ?`
`03:04.51`	`letherglov`	`they're proprietary`
`03:04.55`	`_Vile`	`still analog`
`03:05.05`	`letherglov`	`prolly`
`03:05.08`	`letherglov`	`2 pair stuff`
`03:05.11`	`_Vile`	`if it's 15 yrs old :)`
`03:05.20`	`letherglov`	`FSK on one pair`
`03:05.23`	`letherglov`	`voice on the other`
`03:05.24`	`letherglov`	`I think`
`03:06.49`	`letherglov`	`it currently has six line appearances`
`03:07.02`	`letherglov`	`which isn't realistically possible to replicate at the moment`
`03:07.13`	`letherglov`	`perhaps the 480i will be able to do it when the software is mature, but right now`
`03:07.14`	`letherglov`	`it's not`
`03:07.26`	`letherglov`	`so the only option is to deal with it on the headend side`
`03:07.31`	`letherglov`	`with pre-programmed dtmf hotkeys`
`03:07.38`	`letherglov`	`or adsi stuff, which is the same`
`03:08.26`	`_Vile`	`any reason to not go with ~200 7940s?`
`03:08.26`	`_Vile`	`$200`
`03:08.26`	`pfn`	`only 2 line appearances`
`03:08.26`	`letherglov`	`uhh`
`03:08.26`	`_Vile`	`ahh`
`03:08.31`	`letherglov`	`it's a fortune?`
`03:08.32`	`_Vile`	`you need six`
`03:08.33`	`_Vile`	`:)`
`03:08.54`	`_Vile`	`7940s are about the same price as 480i's`
`03:08.59`	`letherglov`	`I can get a t-1 card and a channel bank and re-use some stored hardware`
`03:09.07`	`letherglov`	`for a fraction of the cost per extension`
`03:09.09`	`pfn`	`you can ebay 7960's for $250/ea if you buy a lot here and there`
`03:09.28`	`pfn`	`or have some patience`
`03:09.30`	`letherglov`	`I can get 480e's for $100`
`03:09.41`	`letherglov`	`and a channel bank is much less than $150 per port`
`03:09.44`	`_Vile`	`480e's are the analog, you can get 390s for $40`
`03:09.44`	`letherglov`	`so it's net savings`
`03:09.45`	`pfn`	`480i are about $250`
`03:09.59`	`_Vile`	`shrug :)`
`03:10.45`	`wsuff`	`letherglov: only until u outgrow it and stuck w/ equipment w/ lower resell value`
`03:10.57`	`letherglov`	`always true with telecom`
`03:11.08`	`_Vile`	`I can get 480i's for 195`
`03:11.26`	`wsuff`	`i would go w/ the voip phones myself`
`03:11.43`	`wsuff`	`analog is a thing of the past`
`03:11.44`	`_Vile`	`as would I, and I'd look at alternatives to using on-phone button appearances..`
`03:11.57`	`letherglov`	`everyone says that about analog`
`03:12.02`	`letherglov`	`but it's not going anywhere for a long time`
`03:12.04`	`letherglov`	`perhaps in korean`
`03:12.06`	`letherglov`	`hah`
`03:12.08`	`letherglov`	`*korea`
`03:12.10`	`letherglov`	`but not in the US`
`03:12.30`	`pfn`	`there are some nice benefits to wiring up a house for cat5`
`03:12.36`	`pfn`	`you can easily plug in phones anywhere`
`03:12.42`	`letherglov`	`hah`
`03:12.47`	`letherglov`	`yes...`
`03:13.02`	`letherglov`	`no no`
`03:13.05`	`letherglov`	`that's what wireless is for`
`03:13.09`	`letherglov`	`you can't use the phone in the tub`
`03:13.19`	`wsuff`	`well century home`
`03:13.19`	`pfn`	`says who?`
`03:13.21`	`pfn`	`you see hotels? :p`
`03:13.27`	`wsuff`	`w/ metal ceilings`
`03:13.30`	`wsuff`	`don't like wifi much`
`03:13.39`	`wsuff`	`hate nextel more`
`03:13.43`	`letherglov`	`the local toaster and hair dryer board ;-)`
`03:14.00`	`letherglov`	`actually, I saw a waterproof phone for "the pool" at Fry's the other day`
`03:14.01`	`wsuff`	`besides gige to the shitter would be hot`
`03:14.06`	`letherglov`	`it was bright yellow`
`03:14.17`	`letherglov`	`yeah`
`03:14.29`	`letherglov`	`you can setup snmp traps to notify you when the TP is out ;-)`
`03:15.14`	`letherglov`	`besides, what do you do with fax machines`
`03:15.16`	`letherglov`	`and modems?`
`03:15.26`	`letherglov`	`the spandsp stuff isn't 100% yet`
`03:15.33`	`wsuff`	`trash can`
`03:15.36`	`wsuff`	`and use email`
`03:15.37`	`wsuff`	`=)`
`03:15.44`	`letherglov`	`hah, not legally binding ;-)`
`03:15.54`	`wsuff`	`ups/usps then`
`03:16.03`	`letherglov`	`faxes are acceptable forms of service through a court`
`03:16.25`	`letherglov`	`since they replaced telex`
`03:16.46`	`wsuff`	`not like a fax is 100% legally binding either since there is no proof of actual signature hence why larger places require it to also be mailed`
`03:17.13`	`wsuff`	`or signed in person w/ whitnesses`
`03:17.14`	`letherglov`	`it's customary to mail it also, yes`
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`03:17.33`	`letherglov`	`but fax meets the minimum in most instances`
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`03:19.31`	`letherglov`	`besides, you think voip and proprietary phones are fun`
`03:19.31`	`menger`	`i have never got fax and asterisk to work`
`03:19.41`	`letherglov`	`until you can't plug in the random crap that comes in the door`
`03:19.47`	`letherglov`	`that you may want to test or use for a few hours`
`03:19.58`	`letherglov`	`e.g. laptop with a fax modem, etc.`
`03:19.59`	`LennyT`	`kram: any chance we can get 2010 into CVS?`
`03:20.13`	`letherglov`	`menger soft fax?`
`03:20.24`	`letherglov`	`menger: or transferring to a real fax machine / fax modem?`
`03:22.29`	`menger`	`soft fax`
`03:22.36`	`letherglov`	`yeah, same here`
`03:22.41`	`menger`	`and to our fax modem through a tdm card`
`03:22.42`	`letherglov`	`it never seems to train at the right frequency`
`03:22.54`	`letherglov`	`interesting, is it all ulaw/adpcm?`
`03:23.21`	`letherglov`	`what about that low-latency flag to Dial for modems?`
`03:23.29`	`letherglov`	`ever set that?`
`03:23.33`	`menger`	`u;aw`
`03:23.41`	`menger`	`D flag?`
`03:24.12`	`JerJer`	`the D flag has been obsoleted with 64k native bridging`
`03:24.29`	`menger`	`well that was when i last tried`
`03:24.37`	`menger`	`what is the low latency flag then?`
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`03:25.32`	`letherglov`	`hmm`
`03:25.35`	`letherglov`	`I don't see it anymor`
`03:25.37`	`letherglov`	`it was in there`
`03:26.24`	`tessier_`	`Anyone know what I have to do in Asterisk to make the conference call button on a Cisco 7960 work?`
`03:26.35`	`tessier_`	`Work with meetme, that is.`
`03:26.47`	`tessier_`	`Would be nice if I could just tell it to transfer the user to a certain extension where the meetme is`
`03:27.01`	`tessier_`	`I've googled and checked the wiki etc and can't find the info anywhere`
`03:29.18`	`tessier_`	`Odd....my snom phone has been causing "unable to register" messages in my * for weeks.`
`03:29.41`	`tessier_`	`I didn't change anything that would stop it from registering. I just power cycled the phone and now it registeres.`
`03:30.06`	`tessier_`	`Wish I could show a list of phones that are currently registered.`
`03:30.07`	`menger`	`i have tried tdm port to isdn port (quadbri) and it does not work either`
`03:31.53`	`JerJer`	`afaik, the conf button on the 7960s is not configurable`
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`03:32.21`	`tessier_`	`That's unfortunate. And it's right there on the display during a call. What do you tell people when they ask what it does?`
`03:32.23`	`JerJer`	`well at least i've never seen any config options for it`
`03:32.42`	`tessier_`	`I currently have people hit the more button and then have them use the transfer option to transfer them to the meetme extension.`
`03:32.47`	`JerJer`	`it does conference, quite nicely actually`
`03:32.51`	`tessier_`	`But I wish I could make it work properly.`
`03:32.52`	`tessier_`	`er...`
`03:32.55`	`tessier_`	`hmm`
`03:32.56`	`JerJer`	`just on the phone`
`03:33.08`	`JerJer`	`it does the audio mixing itself`
`03:33.12`	`tessier_`	`Ah, I see.`
`03:33.30`	`JerJer`	`i've only done like 3-way with it`
`03:33.57`	`JerJer`	`so i don't know how many streams it can deal with overall`
`03:34.00`	`tessier_`	`I'll have to try that. On one particular system transfer itself seems to be broken somehow.`
`03:34.13`	`tessier_`	`When I hit transfer and enter an extension I get transferred to that extension myself, not the person on the other end.`
`03:34.13`	`PatrickDK`	`hmm, I have done 5 streams on the snom, plus me`
`03:34.35`	`PatrickDK`	`tessier, it's called attented transfer`
`03:34.53`	`tessier_`	`PatrickDK: But on my other Cisco's it works differently.`
`03:35.12`	`tessier_`	`Is there an option in the phone itself that changes the behavior?`
`03:37.20`	`letherglov`	`why would you want to do the conferencing on the edge?`
`03:37.26`	`letherglov`	`it seems like it should be done in the core`
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`03:39.46`	`PatrickDK`	`on the phone is a quick way to do it`
`03:39.59`	`tessier_`	`hmm...ok, so it does look like the phone was doing an attended transfer vs a blind transfer.`
`03:40.14`	`tessier_`	`How do I config it to do a blind transfer?`
`03:40.22`	`tessier_`	`Seems like it would be a phone thing vs a * thing`
`03:40.30`	`PatrickDK`	`dunno`
`03:40.32`	`tessier_`	`Since my other 7960's are doing blind transfers by default`
`03:40.38`	`PatrickDK`	`it would be a phone thing`
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`03:42.30`	`pfn`	`yes, they're soft buttons`
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`03:42.30`	`sung`	`http://sung.producto-valvo.com/foo/evil_cat.jpg`
`03:42.59`	`JunK-Y`	`sung: is it ur cat ?`
`03:42.59`	`sung`	`JunK-Y: parents`
`03:42.59`	`JunK-Y`	`so cute. :)`
`03:43.34`	`letherglov`	`does it fit in the microwave?`
`03:43.34`	`JunK-Y`	`hehehee`
`03:43.34`	`tessier_`	`Ah, two transfer soft buttons. Now it all makes sense.`