| 00:00.04 | marlow | syslod : not in a PC based system either, if you do the HA setup correctly .. |
| 00:00.09 | syslod | switches don't go bad. |
| 00:00.09 | marlow | syslod : customer will not notice .. |
| 00:00.12 | asuffield | syslod: I don't personally, but it has been done. there are even instructions somewhere |
| 00:00.15 | LuchoAR | syslod what switch are you using? |
| 00:00.16 | tessier_ | syslod: All hardware can go bad. |
| 00:00.19 | marlow | syslod : that is NOT true .. |
| 00:00.23 | asuffield | syslod: bull-pucky. everything goes bad when struck with sufficient force |
| 00:00.29 | marlow | syslod : plain bullshit |
| 00:00.36 | tessier_ | Hey, that's bullshit! |
| 00:00.39 | asuffield | lightning usually does the trick. or a good fire. |
| 00:00.43 | LuchoAR | syslod.. you can always make a pc 1 + 1 like a class 5 switch |
| 00:00.58 | tessier_ | * could be programmed to maintain state between two * boxes over a fast interconnect. |
| 00:01.08 | tessier_ | Then you wouldn't get any dropped clals. |
| 00:01.17 | tessier_ | You wouldn't even drop any packets if you could do it fast enough. |
| 00:01.24 | syslod | LunchoAR: Tell me how you plan on doing this becuase it can't be done. |
| 00:01.37 | asuffield | asterisk slots into the linux-HA architecture fairly easily |
| 00:01.49 | tessier_ | asuffield: You will drop calls though. |
| 00:01.50 | asuffield | (much easier than, say, samba. bitch-queen protocol) |
| 00:01.52 | tessier_ | Not a big deal. |
| 00:01.54 | marlow | syslod : everything can be done, if you put your mind to it .. |
| 00:01.56 | syslod | asuffield: You also tell me what the plan is. |
| 00:01.59 | marlow | syslod : don't be a dork |
| 00:02.04 | asuffield | tessier_: there are some things you can throw in front of it to handle that |
| 00:02.11 | LuchoAR | syslod: what about a * cluster?? |
| 00:02.14 | von_cwasn | syslod: what can't yo do with ewsd? |
| 00:02.16 | tessier_ | asuffield: Like what? |
| 00:02.16 | syslod | Go ahead guys explain. |
| 00:02.38 | asuffield | tessier_: now that I can't remember. I saw a case study somewhere where somebody did it... |
| 00:02.54 | asuffield | tessier_: essentially just a SIP proxy |
| 00:02.59 | syslod | Lets start with something simple since everyones at a loss for an example of this magic system. |
| 00:03.11 | tessier_ | asuffield: That's what I was thinking. SER. |
| 00:03.20 | marlow | von_cwasn : on R13 you coulnd't do simple stuff like removing the callerid .. |
| 00:03.28 | asuffield | tessier_: still lose some packets, but now it's close enough for anything |
| 00:03.42 | LuchoAR | changing ANI is a baaaaddd thing! |
| 00:03.45 | LuchoAR | :-) |
| 00:04.00 | von_cwasn | marlow: depending aps you have... |
| 00:04.08 | syslod | Anyone gonna start or you want me to begin tearing this apart? |
| 00:04.08 | von_cwasn | marlow: I can do this ;) |
| 00:04.21 | marlow | von_cwasn : sure .. but this was about 5-6 years ago .. |
| 00:04.48 | LuchoAR | * didn't exist 5-6 years ago. |
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| 00:04.55 | marlow | von_cwasn : and even Siemens was clueless, so we took the "alternate" solution and fixed it with some useless pc based Teles switches we had flying around |
| 00:05.01 | syslod | von_cwasn: You have a seimens? |
| 00:05.08 | von_cwasn | marlow: year ago? in V14 and 15 I can do this using PROP15 |
| 00:05.22 | Silik0n | anoyne gotta good cheap reliable supplier of polycoms? |
| 00:05.26 | marlow | von_cwasn : i was talking about release 13 .. |
| 00:05.26 | tessier_ | LuchoAR: When did * first become available? |
| 00:05.31 | tessier_ | Silik0n: I would be interested in that also. |
| 00:05.33 | syslod | Silik0n: U certified? |
| 00:05.43 | tessier_ | certified/ |
| 00:05.43 | Silik0n | syslod: not yet |
| 00:05.45 | tessier_ | ? |
| 00:05.48 | marlow | von_cwasn : and at that point most carriers still were on release 9 |
| 00:05.51 | Silik0n | certified crazy tho |
| 00:06.02 | syslod | I have a source but you gotta be certified. Otherwise atacomm.com |
| 00:06.12 | Silik0n | syslog channel source? |
| 00:06.13 | von_cwasn | marlow: 9??? flintstone aps... |
| 00:06.14 | tessier_ | syslod: Why would I have to be certified just to buy a telephone? |
| 00:06.23 | syslod | Distrib. |
| 00:06.24 | Silik0n | tessier_: polycom support requirements |
| 00:06.27 | LuchoAR | syslod: I have a siemens switch |
| 00:06.34 | syslod | tessier_: Ask polycom. |
| 00:06.38 | tessier_ | I wonder what it woudl take to get certified and how much it would save... |
| 00:06.49 | von_cwasn | i have ewsd too |
| 00:06.49 | tessier_ | I have been rolling out Cisco's but I've had enough of Cisco's hassles. |
| 00:06.54 | marlow | von_cwasn : surely ... but you know .. SS7 interconnect certification is expensive and Siemens only is doing the tests on releases, that they actually sell in that certain country |
| 00:07.39 | LuchoAR | what switches are you using syslod ? |
| 00:07.54 | syslod | Anyone gonna tell me how this * SS7 box with 99.9999 reliablity is gonna get put together? |
| 00:07.59 | von_cwasn | marlow: not at all... we don't need to buy SS7 cert, we make all interc & cert test. |
| 00:08.12 | syslod | DMS100, CSX 1100, CSX 2100 |
| 00:08.22 | ManxPower | Well let us know when something is available |
| 00:08.35 | asuffield | syslod: you've been told; you elected not to pay attention. don't expect people to repeat |
| 00:08.37 | von_cwasn | syslod: using Code Channel, in first place... |
| 00:08.46 | LuchoAR | syslod for 2 e1/t1 ? |
| 00:08.53 | syslod | Sure 2 T1's |
| 00:09.04 | von_cwasn | syslod: why you just think to use only 1 link??? |
| 00:09.08 | LuchoAR | ok.. 2 * servers. with 2 different ss7 links.. |
| 00:09.21 | LuchoAR | with a redundant central sip server.. |
| 00:09.27 | marlow | von_cwasn : that depends on the rules for each country .. |
| 00:09.42 | marlow | von_cwasn : some countries are very strict on that .. and some telco's .. |
| 00:10.04 | asuffield | you'll need a diesel generator for five nines, too. that's standard. |
| 00:10.25 | LuchoAR | syslod: comments? |
| 00:10.27 | von_cwasn | marlow: as far as i know, every customer or telco can presents for certificate ss7... |
| 00:10.27 | asuffield | (since commercial power doesn't provide it) |
| 00:10.27 | tessier_ | All of my equipment is already on diesal generator |
| 00:10.37 | syslod | LuchoAR: keep going. I see problems already. |
| 00:10.42 | ManxPower | Will someone /msg me when everyone comes down from their drugs? |
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| 00:10.48 | LuchoAR | wanna hear them |
| 00:10.48 | marlow | von_cwasn : in Denmark, where i did use to work in Telco business, you would have to pay for the cert if the switch wasn't cert allready AND you would have to pay each Telco that you want to interconnect with for implementing your number range in each and every of their interconnect switches .. |
| 00:11.28 | robl^ | mm.. drugs!!!!!! |
| 00:11.38 | tessier_ | Once we all go VOIP will SS7 still be needed? |
| 00:11.46 | LuchoAR | syslod: still waitin |
| 00:11.48 | syslod | Ok you have 2 A links and 2 * servers how do they talk to each other and failover without dropping a call? |
| 00:11.56 | Shido6 | why do you need SS7 now? |
| 00:12.01 | marlow | von_cwasn : so when we bought that R13 ewsd the former state owned telco (TDC) just had certed R13, they were running R9 at that time, and we got around that part .. |
| 00:12.03 | von_cwasn | marlow: ok, you can't use a switch uncertified... that's true, but you don't need to pay to siemens for do the certification job. |
| 00:12.52 | LuchoAR | they won't, in the same way a class 5 switch will drop calls, if the hw of the e1/t1 fails. |
| 00:12.58 | marlow | von_cwasn : no .. but you have to pay for the cert in a center .. |
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| 00:13.13 | marlow | von_cwasn : siemens will deliver their part as included of the sale .. |
| 00:13.15 | asuffield | that part's easy. clustered frontend with shared state |
| 00:13.28 | asuffield | SIP is almost as easy as NFS for that |
| 00:13.37 | von_cwasn | marlow: is expensive? in argentina, we pay 1200 bucks for complete certification. |
| 00:13.39 | Optic2 | sip sip sip sip |
| 00:13.40 | syslod | That isn't correct. Class 5 switches use a shared bus or redundat paths to the ports. At least the ones we use. |
| 00:13.56 | marlow | von_cwasn : there is still the other part .. and if you buy a release that isn't certified yet you are looking to a 6 months delay .. |
| 00:14.03 | marlow | von_cwasn : which is a lot money .. |
| 00:14.03 | von_cwasn | syslod: man, you must create some dialog between two boxes! (if you like to have redundant links) |
| 00:14.14 | syslod | I can unplug any card and not drop a call. |
| 00:14.15 | marlow | von_cwasn : in lost revenue .. |
| 00:14.25 | von_cwasn | syslod: what switches do you use? |
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| 00:14.39 | syslod | Mostly CSX 1100 |
| 00:14.52 | marlow | syslod : even on Ericsson AXE you can f*** the whole switch for a restart .. |
| 00:14.54 | asuffield | standard HA cluster stuff, yes. it's been done *so* *many* *times* |
| 00:14.58 | von_cwasn | marlow: lot of money for 4 months of hard work? |
| 00:15.02 | marlow | syslod : i've seen it .. |
| 00:15.07 | syslod | Why would you restart? |
| 00:15.16 | LuchoAR | syslod: your shared bus.. is an ethernet bus, |
| 00:15.26 | LuchoAR | your redundand path are 2 ethernet interfaces.. |
| 00:15.44 | marlow | syslod : because PRI's aren't as good protected as BRI's in the AXE and a protocol failure in the AXE software can hang the port .. |
| 00:15.51 | jeb-c4 | Anyone have any tips to see why incoming CALLERIDNAME is the number on a PRI? callerid=asreceived -- thanks |
| 00:16.11 | marlow | syslod : it's after all only hardware and software .. |
| 00:16.19 | syslod | We don't restart our switch. |
| 00:16.40 | marlow | von_cwasn : some companies can't effort to invest and wait more than 6 months before they get their revenue again ... |
| 00:16.56 | Optic2 | cows |
| 00:17.00 | marlow | von_cwasn : i mean making no revenue in 6 months on that investment .. |
| 00:17.01 | syslod | Ok so you have two ethernet links what makes it all work? Are they listening to the same IP? |
| 00:17.42 | ManxPower | jeb-c4: You mean like NoOp(CALLERID=${CALLERID}) |
| 00:17.45 | asuffield | sort of. they'll be using ipvs most likely |
| 00:17.48 | LuchoAR | WHAT???? |
| 00:18.10 | LuchoAR | when did I said it was IP ?? |
| 00:18.12 | ManxPower | Or do you mean add a Wait(1) to your dialplan so the NAME message can come in (it doesn't come in during the call setup, only the number does) |
| 00:18.18 | syslod | If I am talking to one of those servers and it gets cut off what happens to my call? |
| 00:18.27 | asuffield | gets redistributed to another one |
| 00:18.30 | syslod | Isn't SIP ip? |
| 00:18.43 | jeb-c4 | ManxPower, Yeah I had that, but the Calleridname is the number, not the name |
| 00:18.44 | syslod | How does it get redistributed? |
| 00:18.48 | asuffield | linux HA |
| 00:18.50 | LuchoAR | the other server should take the call and continue switching it |
| 00:19.05 | LuchoAR | Linux HA has to much convergence time.. doesn't work for this. |
| 00:19.15 | von_cwasn | marlow: you can use your switch meanwhile you do the test... don't you? |
| 00:19.17 | asuffield | it's close enough. couple seconds won't hurt |
| 00:19.28 | syslod | LunchoAR: How does it take the call? |
| 00:19.30 | marlow | von_cwasn : no .. it's not allowed to get connected |
| 00:19.39 | syslod | Linux HA isn't an option. |
| 00:19.40 | LuchoAR | couple of seconds will drop the call. |
| 00:19.44 | ManxPower | jeb-c4: No, ${CALLERID} is supposed to be both NAME and NUMBER Name only is ${CALLERIDNAME} or something like that. See asterisk/docs/README.variables |
| 00:19.44 | LuchoAR | and it's not 99.9999 |
| 00:19.46 | marlow | von_cwasn : until the certification process is through |
| 00:19.47 | asuffield | syslod: of course it's an option |
| 00:19.48 | von_cwasn | marlow: that's the difference. |
| 00:19.58 | asuffield | LuchoAR: you need *hours* to drop a connection |
| 00:20.01 | LuchoAR | apart that linux-ha uses gratuitous arp. |
| 00:20.07 | asuffield | LuchoAR: and five nines gives you two minutes downtime. six nines isn't real |
| 00:20.13 | marlow | von_cwasn : exactly .. so people were opting for DSS1 to start with .. |
| 00:20.43 | marlow | von_cwasn : because that works on cheap hardware and a std. cert. protocol .. no special test necessary . |
| 00:20.55 | jeb-c4 | ManxPower, hmm - I don't think I'm getting the Calleridname - Executing NoOp("Zap/1-1", "CALLERID=8653851437") in new stack |
| 00:21.01 | von_cwasn | marlow: but using pri you don't know if the caller is a payphone or operator o fixed, right? |
| 00:21.03 | LuchoAR | linux-ha doesn't work for this.. |
| 00:21.11 | syslod | jeb-c4: Is it a telco PRI? |
| 00:21.12 | marlow | von_cwasn : and by the time you had the traffic and the cert done you were ready to migrate to a carrier switch |
| 00:21.14 | LuchoAR | it works great for data packets. |
| 00:21.19 | ManxPower | jeb-c4: Are you putting a Wait(1) before the NoOp to wait for the name message to be sent by the switch? |
| 00:21.27 | marlow | von_cwasn : why do you want to know that ? |
| 00:21.29 | jeb-c4 | ManxPower, with NoOp(CALLERID=${CALLERID}) |
| 00:21.37 | PatrickDK | actually, 5 9's is 5.256minutes downtime |
| 00:21.50 | marlow | von_cwasn : you are just routing calls .. i'm talking about carrier pre-select .. |
| 00:21.51 | asuffield | PatrickDK: sure you added it up right? it should be nearer 2.5 iirc... |
| 00:21.56 | von_cwasn | marlow: for some scenarios, different destination prices, ie |
| 00:22.11 | marlow | von_cwasn : that's why you have a numbering plan .. |
| 00:22.13 | asuffield | PatrickDK: don't forget to account for leap years |
| 00:22.26 | PatrickDK | na, I did straight 365 days |
| 00:22.27 | LuchoAR | syslod: let's continue.. this is nice! :) |
| 00:22.32 | marlow | von_cwasn : the danish one consists of 3 pdf files, you can download it of the web .. |
| 00:22.38 | jeb-c4 | ManxPower, do you need that on a PRI? I did try that, but it was before my Dial, not before I jumped out of the incoming context |
| 00:22.54 | syslod | LuchoAR: Ok where where we? |
| 00:22.55 | marlow | von_cwasn : and it specifies exactly what numbers are to be used for what pricing/type of service |
| 00:23.05 | jeb-c4 | ManxPower, will try it again -- and thanks for the help |
| 00:23.11 | LuchoAR | ok.. box 1 goes down.. hw problem. |
| 00:23.26 | PatrickDK | hmm, 6 9's is .5256 minutes |
| 00:23.28 | von_cwasn | marlow: nono, for example: for cell origination you should apply tariff 1, and for the rest you should apply tarriff 4. |
| 00:23.35 | LuchoAR | the switch should route the call to the other link .ok ? |
| 00:23.43 | syslod | Ok. How does sip phone automatically connect to the other server before the person hangs up. |
| 00:24.09 | von_cwasn | marlow: origination issues, not destination. |
| 00:24.14 | jeb-c4 | ManxPower, no luck with the Wait(1) |
| 00:24.17 | marlow | von_cwasn : if you interconnect on PRI billing works more or less the same as it does for you as a ITSP |
| 00:24.18 | LuchoAR | What happens If box 2 takes over the rtp stream of the box 1 ? |
| 00:24.21 | syslod | The switch the phone was talking to just went down. |
| 00:24.46 | marlow | von_cwasn : and carrier preselect only allows landlines as origination anyway in Denmark .. |
| 00:24.51 | ManxPower | jeb-c4: Then something is wrong somwehere else. Search the mailing list archives, if you don't see an answer ask on asterisk-users |
| 00:25.03 | marlow | von_cwasn : you can't do carrier pre-select from a cell or payphone |
| 00:25.14 | von_cwasn | marlow: we've got very different scenarios. |
| 00:25.32 | syslod | More than that. Somehow box 2 has to seamlessly take over the sip connection and the ISUP link has to also be moved. All within 1/16 or less of a second. |
| 00:25.45 | von_cwasn | marlow: you always receive ani? |
| 00:26.01 | jeb-c4 | ManxPower, thanks -- I had tried google and thought to ask here |
| 00:26.09 | marlow | von_cwasn : yes .. that is a requirement of interconnect on dss1 .. |
| 00:26.11 | ManxPower | Useful Asterisk Docs (BOOKMARK THEM!): http://www.digium.com/index.php?menu=documentation (look at the "Unofficial Links") and http://www.voip-info.org/wiki-Asterisk and http://www.fnords.org/~eric/asterisk/ (my site) and http://asteriskdocs.org/ |
| 00:26.15 | ManxPower | To search the Asterisk mailing list archive go to www.google.com and put site:lists.digium.com in addition to your other query terms. |
| 00:26.22 | ManxPower | That last one is for you, jeb-c4 |
| 00:27.19 | von_cwasn | marlow: when you receive a call originated in other country, what ani you receive? |
| 00:27.28 | marlow | von_cwasn : you do on ss7, too .. just that it would be marked as CLIR etc. |
| 00:28.11 | marlow | von_cwasn : you don't get calls originated from other countries .. you terminate .. |
| 00:28.11 | marlow | von_cwasn : carrier preselect is a local thing |
| 00:28.46 | marlow | von_cwasn : meaning people dial "1033" in front of the number they want to dial routes the call through your switch .. |
| 00:28.47 | von_cwasn | marlow: what ani you receive when you terminate an international call? |
| 00:28.52 | LuchoAR | marlow: when you receive a call originated in another country, that you have to terminate.. |
| 00:28.57 | LuchoAR | what ANI do you receive ? |
| 00:29.41 | marlow | LuchoAR : didn't you read what i said .. when talking interconnect over DSS1 you only get calls originated in your country .. |
| 00:30.03 | LuchoAR | so... |
| 00:30.11 | LuchoAR | HOW DO YOU RECEIVE INTERNATIONAL CALLS? |
| 00:30.14 | marlow | LuchoAR : i'm talking about in country interconnect .. |
| 00:30.19 | von_cwasn | marlow: what kind of interconection is that? |
| 00:30.31 | marlow | LuchoAR : you don't .. it's about termination, not origination .. |
| 00:30.42 | marlow | von_cwasn : carrier pre-select .. |
| 00:30.46 | LuchoAR | marlow: |
| 00:31.03 | LuchoAR | are you terminating international calls in the national PSTN network? |
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| 00:31.32 | LuchoAR | for example.. I am a big telco in AR .. want to terminate calls in your country.. |
| 00:31.35 | marlow | LuchoAR : no .. terminating calls worldwide originating in the national PSTN networkk .. |
| 00:31.52 | marlow | LuchoAR : routed by a prefix .. (which is called carrier pre-select) |
| 00:32.04 | von_cwasn | marlow: suppose I call you now... you don't have my real number, ok? what kind of identification do you receive? in which format? |
| 00:32.48 | marlow | von_cwasn : you still didn't get it, right ? .. i was not talking about last mile customers ... |
| 00:33.13 | marlow | von_cwasn : and i was not talking about sending international calls to last mile . |
| 00:33.38 | LuchoAR | marlow. can you describe how a call originated from a US customer to your country |
| 00:33.39 | von_cwasn | marlow: not sending! |
| 00:33.49 | marlow | von_cwasn : i was talking about national pstn customer of other telco's, that by doing carrier pre-select (entering a prefix) get routed to me and then i terminate them |
| 00:34.01 | LuchoAR | YEEESSSS!!! |
| 00:34.05 | LuchoAR | We got that!!! |
| 00:34.11 | marlow | von_cwasn : these other telco's i have to interconnect with and they have to be national .. |
| 00:34.32 | file | bkw_: 9 to the 9 to the 6 |
| 00:34.38 | LuchoAR | we call that "seleccion por marcacion" here.. |
| 00:34.40 | marlow | von_cwasn : i have to have a interconnect agreement with each of them and i have to have lines to each of them ... if i want to route calls from their networks . |
| 00:34.50 | von_cwasn | marlow: ok, but what kind of ani do you receive in that situation?? |
| 00:35.03 | marlow | von_cwasn : a std. callerid .. |
| 00:35.08 | LuchoAR | marlow.. sos un pete! |
| 00:35.30 | file | ah screw it |
| 00:35.32 | von_cwasn | marlow: not a std ANI!!! |
| 00:35.33 | marlow | von_cwasn : von_cwasn : which you have to know, what you want to do with and if you want to route it .. |
| 00:35.52 | marlow | von_cwasn : PRI DSS1 .. E1 ISDN .. not SS7 |
| 00:36.03 | von_cwasn | marlow: is a platform ani |
| 00:36.39 | marlow | von_cwasn : you would get anything like on a normal isdn call |
| 00:36.54 | LuchoAR | do you get the real A side ANI ?? |
| 00:36.59 | LuchoAR | FORROO!! |
| 00:37.02 | marlow | von_cwasn : orinating DID and destination including your carrier prefix |
| 00:37.10 | von_cwasn | marlow: no, he don't receive real ani... |
| 00:37.28 | von_cwasn | luchoar: no, he don't receive real ani... |
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| 00:37.31 | LuchoAR | marlow.. are your interconnection in PRI with a Siemens EWSD ?? |
| 00:37.33 | marlow | von_cwasn : i can't get a real ani on dss1 |
| 00:37.37 | von_cwasn | luchoar: he receive the platform ani |
| 00:37.48 | marlow | LuchoAR : no .. EWSD would be SS7 |
| 00:37.55 | LuchoAR | ves que sos un forro marlow.. 2 horass |
| 00:38.08 | marlow | Received following PES alert: |
| 00:38.08 | marlow | Time Stamp 11/06/04 18:39:25 Event Number a07 |
| 00:38.08 | marlow | Severity Critical Error Host CX600-9M-01-SPB |
| 00:38.08 | marlow | Storage Array CK200030404799 SPB Device Enclosure 3 Disk 13 |
| 00:38.08 | marlow | TAG numbers: 446J121, 546J212, 4Y5J121, 1Y5J121, 2YH7K21, F4F7K21, DJ2T231, 5PTK241, HJVK241, FS59F51 |
| 00:38.09 | marlow | Description CRU Powered Down |
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| 00:38.56 | marlow | wtf ... |
| 00:39.08 | intrin | [18:38] <intrin> anyone know charter's smtp server? |
| 00:39.08 | intrin | [18:38] <intrin> mail.chater.net ? |
| 00:39.21 | LuchoAR | what's that marlow?? a que jugas? |
| 00:39.39 | marlow | LuchoAR : what was that you were writing .. |
| 00:39.47 | marlow | LuchoAR : some tool, that went mad here .. |
| 00:39.54 | LuchoAR | nope.. |
| 00:40.14 | LuchoAR | what is that you wrote before??? |
| 00:40.18 | marlow | LuchoAR : i mean before .. i'm not speaking any latin languages .. |
| 00:40.30 | marlow | LuchoAR : as i said .. some tool that went mad here .. |
| 00:40.55 | LuchoAR | ok ok. |
| 00:40.57 | marlow | LuchoAR : some of the tools i use are crap .. they use the keyboard buffer .. poorly designed .. |
| 00:41.18 | marlow | LuchoAR : you click somewhere and they go mad .. |
| 00:41.22 | von_cwasn | marlow: my question is: what kind of traffic do you receive by your PRI? |
| 00:41.25 | LuchoAR | ok |
| 00:41.42 | von_cwasn | marlow: national, local, international, all kind? |
| 00:42.20 | marlow | von_cwasn : national PSTN calls only (no gsm, no cellphone) for termination national or internationally .. |
| 00:42.35 | marlow | von_cwasn : is you want to run a subscriber switch you need to be on SS7 |
| 00:42.41 | von_cwasn | marlow: OK!! at last! |
| 00:42.50 | LuchoAR | yesss!!! |
| 00:43.10 | LuchoAR | so you only do pri to pri switching ??? |
| 00:43.17 | von_cwasn | luchoar: is not a 100% real itx route... |
| 00:43.41 | LuchoAR | von: yeap.. |
| 00:43.45 | LuchoAR | you are rigth |
| 00:44.11 | marlow | that is the limitation on doing interconnect on dss1 |
| 00:44.30 | marlow | but it is a good way to start a small telco |
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| 00:44.40 | LuchoAR | marlow: why don't you take the ewsd out |
| 00:44.48 | LuchoAR | and put a big cluster of * ??? |
| 00:44.57 | marlow | LuchoAR : as i said .. this was a couple of years ago .. |
| 00:45.06 | LuchoAR | and what about now? |
| 00:45.10 | marlow | LuchoAR : we started on the DSS1 stuff with pc based switches .. |
| 00:45.21 | LuchoAR | and went to ewsd? |
| 00:45.31 | marlow | LuchoAR : and then switched to EWSD and SS7 once R13 was certified .. |
| 00:46.02 | marlow | LuchoAR : only using the pc based switches for the few tasks internally, that the ewsd wouldn't handle . |
| 00:46.02 | von_cwasn | marlow: what kind of V13? |
| 00:46.23 | LuchoAR | like what marlow? ivr's ? |
| 00:46.32 | LuchoAR | ani changing ? |
| 00:46.34 | marlow | von_cwasn : subscriber switch |
| 00:47.00 | LuchoAR | si te veo .. te piso con el autooo |
| 00:47.19 | LuchoAR | me estas hartando mal.. no podes contestar tal pavada.. |
| 00:47.30 | von_cwasn | marlow: all version of APS can be used as sub switching... I mean, V13W, V13i? |
| 00:47.45 | LuchoAR | por dios.. moderadoorrrr.. |
| 00:47.59 | LuchoAR | haga algo moderadorrrrr con este muchachoooo.. |
| 00:48.03 | LuchoAR | hecheloo doctooorrr!!! |
| 00:48.13 | von_cwasn | pratto murphy, por favor! |
| 00:48.43 | marlow | von_cwasn : can't remember .. i have not been working on the ewsd part .. |
| 00:48.53 | LuchoAR | no.. esto es too much, |
| 00:48.55 | marlow | von_cwasn : only on the pc based switches |
| 00:49.05 | LuchoAR | no podes no saber que version tenes.. forrooo.. |
| 00:49.06 | von_cwasn | ok, no problem. |
| 00:49.15 | LuchoAR | que chotas haces en la listaaa.. por diossss |
| 00:49.39 | marlow | von_cwasn : we needed to get the switch to remove callerid and V13 couldn't .. |
| 00:49.54 | von_cwasn | si lo agarra el bobero se lo lleva inmediatamente |
| 00:49.56 | marlow | von_cwasn : that's were we brought the pc based ones back in .. |
| 00:50.15 | LuchoAR | why do you need to remove callerid? |
| 00:50.16 | brc_ | 1337 |
| 00:50.22 | von_cwasn | marlow: but i have V13, 14 and 15... and I can change ANI... |
| 00:50.38 | LuchoAR | vos tambien.. sos forro.. |
| 00:50.46 | LuchoAR | esto es mortall.. diosss.. |
| 00:50.59 | LuchoAR | si me viera alguien., me estoy muriendoooo.. |
| 00:51.01 | von_cwasn | soy un vonero mal |
| 00:51.10 | LuchoAR | sii.. |
| 00:51.19 | marlow | von_cwasn : this switch was deployed in '99 .. and at that point it couldn't .. |
| 00:51.27 | LuchoAR | dioss.. |
| 00:51.32 | marlow | von_cwasn : now it wouldn't matter anymore .. |
| 00:52.29 | marlow | LuchoAR : for rerouting cellphone traffic .. |
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| 00:52.40 | LuchoAR | rerouting?? |
| 00:52.48 | brc_ | heh |
| 00:52.52 | marlow | LuchoAR : from Germany to Denmark and back into Germany as international call without number |
| 00:53.01 | LuchoAR | es un ladriiii |
| 00:53.07 | marlow | LuchoAR : cheaper than interconnecting inside Germany :o) |
| 00:53.08 | LuchoAR | este es un chorroo.. marche preso! |
| 00:53.19 | von_cwasn | marlow: i remember v6.2 (some years ago... 96' if I remember) if you put PROP14 in route you can manipulate ani... |
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| 00:53.56 | marlow | von_cwasn : it's more that the german telco's not in any way were to identify the call as being originated in Germany |
| 00:54.22 | LuchoAR | is that legal? |
| 00:54.28 | LuchoAR | o sos un chorro mal |
| 00:54.36 | marlow | von_cwasn : PSTN to GSM calls in Germany were more expensive on a interconnect fee than sending them out of the country and back again as international call |
| 00:54.36 | von_cwasn | luchoar: si a este lo agarra el sargento garcia... |
| 00:54.56 | von_cwasn | marlow: that practice is known as refiling... |
| 00:55.01 | LuchoAR | von: si.. este se cree que descubrio america con la boludez que hace.. |
| 00:55.14 | LuchoAR | nosotros los argentinos la hicimos antes que nadie.! |
| 00:55.15 | von_cwasn | marlow: is not legal in some countries. |
| 00:55.23 | von_cwasn | luchoar: ;) |
| 00:55.28 | marlow | von_cwasn : there isn't any law against it here .. |
| 00:55.34 | marlow | von_cwasn : but they don't like it .. |
| 00:55.42 | von_cwasn | marlow: you're a lucky guy |
| 00:55.45 | LuchoAR | sin unos petes los dinamarqueses.. por dios. |
| 00:56.19 | LuchoAR | marlow: what else?? |
| 00:56.22 | LuchoAR | are you using * ? |
| 00:57.04 | marlow | LuchoAR : i have not been doing telco stuff for a while .. |
| 00:57.15 | marlow | LuchoAR : started an ITSP recently .. on * |
| 00:57.16 | LuchoAR | so? what are you doing ? |
| 00:57.31 | marlow | LuchoAR : system administration, Linux consulting .. |
| 00:57.31 | LuchoAR | este es un forro.. no puede ser tan idiota.. |
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| 00:57.36 | LuchoAR | anda a coger pelotudooo.. |
| 00:57.43 | LuchoAR | que mierda haces en la lista.. idiotaa. |
| 00:57.49 | LuchoAR | por favor.. que gente al pedo.. |
| 00:58.14 | LuchoAR | estoy mirando casas, juntando la plata para la casa, y che te la vas a comprar , y no!.. |
| 00:58.20 | redder86 | LuchoAR: porque dices estas cosas? |
| 00:58.40 | LuchoAR | redder: te molesta??? |
| 00:58.48 | LuchoAR | redder |
| 00:59.03 | LuchoAR | redder: si no queres recibir mis mensajes, porque te molestan, |
| 00:59.23 | LuchoAR | redder: apreta ahora ALT + F4 ... YAAAA! |
| 01:00.04 | marlow | LuchoAR : why are you asking ? |
| 01:00.08 | redder86 | LuchoAR: me parece que escribes para escribir no mas. nadie te escucha |
| 01:00.26 | von_cwasn | redder86: que poco sentido del humor! |
| 01:00.37 | LuchoAR | redder: a mi me parece que se te olvido agarrar el libro de gramatica |
| 01:00.39 | von_cwasn | yo salto por el pibe |
| 01:00.51 | LuchoAR | von: sos un grande de los grandess!! |
| 01:01.06 | LuchoAR | von_cwasn: sos KAPO!! |
| 01:01.15 | von_cwasn | luchoar: se agradece! :) |
| 01:01.40 | marlow | er det ikke bare kedeligt, når folk taler i sprog andre ikke forstår ? |
| 01:02.01 | LuchoAR | marlow: OK. |
| 01:02.09 | LuchoAR | marlow: I think the same |
| 01:02.11 | redder86 | LuchoAR: porque escribes con alguien en una idioma y luego le insulta en una otra? |
| 01:02.41 | LuchoAR | redder: te falla algun tipo de vena que irriga el cerebro?? |
| 01:02.42 | marlow | redder86 : exactly |
| 01:03.15 | redder86 | LuchoAR: eres un troll no mas |
| 01:03.30 | LuchoAR | redder: POR FAVOR!!! aprende a putear forro! |
| 01:03.46 | LuchoAR | dejate de joder.. no le podes decir a alguien "eres un troll " |
| 01:03.52 | LuchoAR | que carajo te pasa por la cabeza?? |
| 01:04.10 | redder86 | LuchoAR: me haces el punto |
| 01:04.21 | bkw_ | oh file |
| 01:04.22 | von_cwasn | redder86: y eso que mierda quiere decir??? |
| 01:04.34 | redder86 | sigh |
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| 01:04.47 | LuchoAR | redder: el boludo debe haber puesto en google.. "como putear en castellano" |
| 01:04.54 | marlow | redder86 : it's a pointless discussion |
| 01:05.01 | bde | hi, has anyone here been able to configure the regular linksys pap2 with asterisk? |
| 01:05.03 | redder86 | I should have learned my spanish in a pub... not at school. |
| 01:05.20 | redder86 | bde: it's a well kept secret |
| 01:05.21 | LuchoAR | jjajaajaj.. |
| 01:05.29 | bde | redder86: how come? :) |
| 01:05.34 | LuchoAR | redder: That' was good! |
| 01:05.36 | marlow | redder86 : i don't even understand it .. (babelfish is my friend ... sometimes) |
| 01:06.09 | LuchoAR | bye marlow, redder!! |
| 01:06.15 | redder86 | bde: I'm not sure, exactly. |
| 01:06.16 | LuchoAR | see ya in cyberspace! |
| 01:06.32 | redder86 | or not |
| 01:06.36 | bde | redder86: do you by any chance know how to do it? :) |
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| 01:07.05 | redder86 | bde: I own a SPA-2000, and it works well. I hear that people can make the PAP2 work with Asterisk, but there's some trick to it. |
| 01:07.24 | marlow | redder86 : so i wasn't even sure if he was meaning me or somebody else with the idiot :) |
| 01:07.39 | bde | redder86: any clues as to what the trick involves? i'm playing with it right now but no luck |
| 01:07.52 | redder86 | marlow: he was just trying to be obnoxious |
| 01:08.19 | redder86 | bde: has something to do with the mac addy |
| 01:08.47 | marlow | redder86 : in the end i wouldn't care :) |
| 01:08.55 | bde | redder86: i know it tries to get an xml conf file based on the mac address, but that conf file is salted.. |
| 01:09.15 | JerJer | salted? |
| 01:09.37 | bde | JerJer: encrypted i meant |
| 01:09.44 | JerJer | not xml |
| 01:09.47 | JerJer | cfg is |
| 01:10.14 | bde | the spaxxxxxxx.xml file that i downloaded off their tftp server was encrypted, that's what i meant |
| 01:10.23 | bde | have you been able to configure the regular pap2 with asterisk? |
| 01:13.29 | bde | JerJer: do you know how to get around it connecting to vonage? |