| 00:00.02 | Gennaro | less expensive.. |
| 00:00.25 | Gennaro | no year assistence to pay.. |
| 00:01.05 | Gennaro | and i dont know what is the right configuration in theory... |
| 00:01.25 | Gennaro | a lot of firm do a different configuration.. |
| 00:02.12 | Gennaro | some on say that with 2 cluster machine let us to call with 1000 phone.. |
| 00:02.28 | Gennaro | 1 pbx for 20 firm... |
| 00:02.45 | Gennaro | i belive it is very dangerous... |
| 00:02.57 | Gennaro | and if an hdsl go down??? |
| 00:03.05 | Gennaro | bye bye... |
| 00:04.05 | *** join/#asterisk [Airwolf] (n=airwolf@attilla.nl) |
| 00:10.26 | Gennnaro | i read that on asterisk is possible to add send fax support.. |
| 00:10.35 | Gennnaro | someone tried it? |
| 00:10.55 | Gennnaro | and someone can say me something about gsm gateway? |
| 00:12.33 | Dr_Ray | so, side question (slightly off topic) there is a DC -48 volt connecter on my channel bank. What would that device be called if I wanted to buy one at greybar? |
| 00:12.35 | fugitivo | Gennnaro: http://www.2n.cz/index.html |
| 00:13.08 | Sedorox | Dr_Ray: to power it from -48V dc? |
| 00:13.26 | Dr_Ray | yes |
| 00:13.44 | Sedorox | just a power adapter/transformer |
| 00:13.57 | Sedorox | to go from 120V AC to -48V DC |
| 00:14.01 | Dr_Ray | yeah |
| 00:14.08 | Dr_Ray | with the green plug |
| 00:14.14 | Dr_Ray | is it a telco thing? |
| 00:14.19 | Sedorox | depends on the manu. I guess |
| 00:14.21 | Sedorox | normally... |
| 00:14.24 | Gennnaro | fugitivo with a gsm gateway, can i use mobile phone as cordless?!? |
| 00:14.25 | Dr_Ray | I just want to know what to ask for |
| 00:14.36 | Sedorox | -48v dc is only found in DataCenter/Telco stuff |
| 00:14.47 | Dr_Ray | right, for channel banks and dslams |
| 00:14.54 | Sedorox | not sure what it would be called.. just a transformer |
| 00:14.58 | Sedorox | yea... |
| 00:14.59 | Dr_Ray | you think greybar would sell such a beast? |
| 00:15.24 | Sedorox | dunno that site.. so I dunno |
| 00:17.28 | fugitivo | Gennnaro: if you have a enterprise mobile plan that let you call all your mobile phones in your company for free, it's a nice solution |
| 00:17.45 | lesouvage | kapejod: I have it up and running. Thanks for pointing me to the right direction. |
| 00:19.04 | kapejod | lesouvage: de rien. |
| 00:21.16 | *** join/#asterisk hansentho (n=th@80.77.139.17) |
| 00:22.00 | hansentho | any asterisk wonders around? |
| 00:22.58 | *** join/#asterisk _DAW (n=_DAW@adsl-222-51-184.msy.bellsouth.net) |
| 00:23.04 | *** join/#asterisk yeawsing (i=yeawsing@218.50.182.187) |
| 00:23.08 | *** join/#asterisk xai (n=pasta@cpe-24-27-58-18.austin.res.rr.com) |
| 00:23.22 | hansentho | I am looking for some hlp from a senior asterisk user |
| 00:23.40 | Dr_Ray | just ask the question hansentho |
| 00:23.49 | Dr_Ray | someone will answer if they want/know |
| 00:24.07 | SkramX | Any voip/linux/open-source business entities around? |
| 00:24.11 | xai | does * run (well) on WRAP platform with the astlinux version? |
| 00:24.12 | SkramX | Looking for an intern? |
| 00:25.22 | SkramX | PM ME |
| 00:26.06 | Sedorox | Dr_Ray: http://www.trcelectronics.com/Meanwell/power-supply-pfc-sp200.htm maybe? |
| 00:26.16 | hansentho | I experience that SIP klients on my asterisk are able to place calls without being logged on - All sip users ar run realtime - somone any clue why this is possible? |
| 00:27.23 | Dr_Ray | Sedorox that looks like what I need |
| 00:27.24 | Dr_Ray | thanks |
| 00:27.42 | Sedorox | yup... now granted... I don't know if it'll work.. but it looks like it will |
| 00:27.42 | Sedorox | :p |
| 00:27.51 | Dr_Ray | yeah |
| 00:28.05 | Sedorox | I only have 3 things here that need 48dc.... and only two supplies.. and one is made only for the one device... so... |
| 00:28.14 | yeawsing | Hi everyone. I wonder are there any click to call script for Asterisk. |
| 00:28.15 | Dr_Ray | I'll print that out when I go to greybar tomorrow |
| 00:28.17 | xai | The wrap boards we use are 128MB with 260mhz Geodes in them.. Not sure if astlinux will be fast enough. has anyone done this? |
| 00:28.24 | Sedorox | ok |
| 00:28.36 | Dr_Ray | I just don't get the -48 part of it |
| 00:28.41 | Sedorox | yea.. I tried to find that site.. but I wasn't sure... found one.. but couldn't find any supplies on their site... |
| 00:29.05 | Dr_Ray | yeah, greybar is a walk in store |
| 00:29.08 | Sedorox | I think it depends on the direction of the current |
| 00:29.10 | Dr_Ray | it's awesome |
| 00:29.10 | Sedorox | oo ok |
| 00:29.13 | Sedorox | nice |
| 00:29.39 | Sedorox | the only thing I could offer is the smartjack I have.. has a 48vdc transformer with it... |
| 00:30.13 | Dr_Ray | yeah, our DSLam (which failed) takes -48, so I need to find a suitable power source |
| 00:30.48 | Dr_Ray | I like how these things fail on a sunday |
| 00:30.54 | Sedorox | lol |
| 00:31.02 | Sedorox | the pwoer supply failed... or the unit failed? |
| 00:31.02 | tzanger | Dr_Ray: four car batteries |
| 00:31.06 | Sedorox | hehe |
| 00:31.13 | hansentho | I experience that SIP klients on my asterisk are able to place calls without being logged on - All sip users ar run realtime - somone any clue why this is possible? |
| 00:31.14 | Sedorox | don't think it'll last very long tho |
| 00:31.29 | Dr_Ray | well, the cards failed, then when I pulled the PS it stopped |
| 00:31.39 | Sedorox | lovely |
| 00:31.46 | Dr_Ray | the cards were in alarm mode |
| 00:31.53 | Sedorox | I have a dslam here.. but it need to be connected to a cisco unit to work (just a modem bank basically) |
| 00:32.10 | Sedorox | well.... cisco.. or whoever it was cisco bought |
| 00:32.23 | rezEdit | Anyone in here using Polycom 501's that can run the agi-test script for me.. or has run it recently and can confirm that it all works? |
| 00:32.27 | Dr_Ray | we are upgrading to a Zyxel dslam system, but the paradyne was supposed to last a bit longer |
| 00:32.32 | *** join/#asterisk Snake-Eyes (n=blog@203.220.55.70) |
| 00:33.19 | Sedorox | Dr_Ray: http://spaceservices.net/~brandon/pictures/dslam/ |
| 00:33.26 | Sedorox | well yea.. usually happens that way |
| 00:33.59 | Dr_Ray | see, I want a modem bank |
| 00:34.08 | Dr_Ray | I assume it runs just like a channel bank? |
| 00:34.13 | Dr_Ray | IP in then modems |
| 00:34.47 | Sedorox | depends on the model I think... I had one... but again... was given to me.. and I had no idea how to use it.. ended up trashing it not to long ago (if it was.. it was 28.8.. so it was pointless) |
| 00:35.08 | Sedorox | but I know someone who does run a modem bank (dialup) and it is IP in (ethernet) then people just call into it |
| 00:35.25 | Dr_Ray | if they are on the loop, you should get 56k |
| 00:35.41 | Dr_Ray | I'd like to find a cheap one to play with |
| 00:35.46 | Sedorox | hehe |
| 00:36.04 | Sedorox | I've been trying to find a cheap dslam to play with.. but no luck... did get this thing.. but it doesn't help me any... |
| 00:36.14 | Dr_Ray | how cheap? |
| 00:36.23 | Dr_Ray | an IES-1000 will set you back $1200 |
| 00:36.28 | Sedorox | hehe |
| 00:36.32 | Sedorox | was hoping less then 4500 |
| 00:36.33 | Sedorox | er |
| 00:36.34 | Sedorox | $500 |
| 00:36.45 | Dr_Ray | well, this is brand new |
| 00:36.48 | Dr_Ray | top notch hardware |
| 00:36.51 | Sedorox | but I dunno.. kinda pushed that off to the side since i'm kinda broke at the moment :p |
| 00:37.00 | Sedorox | hehe |
| 00:37.36 | Sedorox | I also got a Vina(lucent/connectreach) integrator I was hoping to use with *.. but alas... no T1 card to use it with.. so thats on the side too :p |
| 00:37.40 | docelm0 | Who wants to setup modems any WHY? |
| 00:37.47 | docelm0 | unless they are in the middle of no where |
| 00:37.51 | Sedorox | hehe |
| 00:38.01 | Sedorox | oob? *shrugs* that normally isn't a modem bank tho |
| 00:38.12 | hansentho | I have some security issues regarding asterisk - sip cilents ar able to place calls without being registed or even logged on the asterisk? any clue why? |
| 00:38.14 | Dr_Ray | chasis - $199, 8 port ADSL card - $900 and a modem for $30 on ebay or $90 new |
| 00:38.51 | Sedorox | yea.. I have a modem.. and access to another one... they are adsl.. which sucks.. was hoping to link them together.. but no go..... |
| 00:39.01 | Sedorox | but yea.. this dsl modem bank I got is 4 per card... |
| 00:39.03 | docelm0 | hansentho either A: AutoCreatePeer is turned on OR your allowing all default traffic into your normal context |
| 00:40.04 | Dr_Ray | the zyxel has been awesome for the cost |
| 00:40.19 | Sedorox | hmm |
| 00:40.38 | Sedorox | yea.. I would only use it to learn and play with... doubt I'll make a isp... |
| 00:40.42 | docelm0 | Ahh well Im out.. Charmed is due to be on soon and Im HUNGRY! Check out http://www.plainvoip.com Where you can get .0092 US48 Domestic 24/7!!!!!!! |
| 00:40.45 | Dr_Ray | each chasis holds 2 cards, or 16 dsl ports |
| 00:40.58 | Dr_Ray | we use them at a property that can't do wireless |
| 00:41.09 | Dr_Ray | for hotel rooms |
| 00:41.09 | Sedorox | interesting |
| 00:41.09 | Sedorox | small form |
| 00:41.25 | Sedorox | docelm0: nice shameless plug :p |
| 00:41.50 | Dr_Ray | 0.0092 let him plug |
| 00:42.06 | Sedorox | hehe |
| 00:42.08 | Dr_Ray | and he did answer the sip question |
| 00:42.09 | Dr_Ray | :) |
| 00:42.54 | Sedorox | I've actually been looking for a cheap voip provider to get a local (here) number.. then just have it redial to my cell.... being in college sucks when your cell is considered long distance for the people at the college |
| 00:42.54 | Sedorox | heh |
| 00:43.17 | hypa7ia | docelm0: the logo looks all rasterized :/ |
| 00:43.37 | *** join/#asterisk test34 (i=1000@unaffiliated/test34) |
| 00:44.53 | Dr_Ray | we don't use many voip minutes |
| 00:45.01 | Dr_Ray | we are a mainly zap shop |
| 00:45.06 | twisted | hahahahahahaha |
| 00:45.07 | twisted | http://www.alienlovespredator.com/index.php?id=153 |
| 00:45.38 | Dr_Ray | so twisted, 4 car batteries would run me for an hour or two? |
| 00:46.02 | twisted | i don't know, how much power do you take? |
| 00:46.12 | Dr_Ray | 1.5 ma |
| 00:46.24 | Dr_Ray | ( I don't know much about power at all) |
| 00:47.31 | twisted | check for the power output of the batteries (continious output, not cranking) and then compare that to your hourly power requirements |
| 00:48.41 | Dr_Ray | I think I'll just go to greybar tomorrow |
| 00:49.17 | *** join/#asterisk deezed (i=none@adsl-065-006-189-182.sip.bct.bellsouth.net) |
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| 00:50.24 | bintut | hello all.. |
| 00:51.09 | bintut | is it a requirement to have a public static ip in order to connect my asterisk box to a voip provider in other countries? |
| 00:51.28 | bintut | can't i just use a dynamic public ip? |
| 00:52.27 | hypa7ia | bintut: dynamic should work fine |
| 00:53.29 | bintut | ok.. because, i'll be subscribing to our local isp with a resedential dsl connection probably at 384kbps and a dynamic ip |
| 00:53.59 | hypa7ia | what's your upstream on that? |
| 00:54.09 | bintut | hypa7ia: what about if i'll subscribe or get a phone number in any of the voip providers in the US, do they require dynamic ip? |
| 00:54.40 | hypa7ia | i've never heard of anyone caring if your ip was dynamic or static |
| 00:54.46 | bintut | hypa7ia: that's the bad thing because the resedential dsl plan doesn't have a cir |
| 00:54.48 | hypa7ia | remember that you are registering to them, not them to you |
| 00:54.58 | hypa7ia | CIR? |
| 00:55.39 | bintut | hypa7ia: yeah, but how can their voip gateway recognize me if from time to time my ip will change? |
| 00:56.28 | hypa7ia | bintut: you will register to them, and will be periodically updating your IP by being registered |
| 00:56.36 | hypa7ia | that's how i understand it anyway |
| 00:57.00 | bintut | hypa7ia: Committed Information Rate |
| 00:57.41 | hypa7ia | oh yeah. it's best effort and all, but surely there's some approximate upstream? |
| 00:57.56 | bintut | hypa7ia: what's my connection to the voip provider(s)? is it through vpn? |
| 00:57.59 | *** join/#asterisk nassy (n=nassy@207-38-197-201.c3-0.wsd-ubr1.qens-wsd.ny.cable.rcn.com) |
| 00:58.17 | bintut | hypa7ia: maybe at 16kbps? i'm not sure.. |
| 00:58.38 | hypa7ia | bintut: not usually. the two sip and one iax providers i use are both unencrypted, just sip an iax trunks |
| 00:59.05 | hypa7ia | bintut: 16k will /not/ be enough unless you get a provider who does GSM, g.729, or i think speex |
| 00:59.11 | hypa7ia | for the coded |
| 00:59.13 | hypa7ia | err codec |
| 00:59.23 | bintut | hypa7ia: anyway, this will be my plan to test the setup.. it has been almost 2 yearts since i was planning to try asterisk but since i don't have a stable internet connection, i cannot push through.. :( |
| 01:00.46 | bintut | hypa7ia: i'll be having up to 3 softphones behind my asterisk+firewall box.. this will be setup at home.. i just want to test and study on how does this really works |
| 01:01.14 | hypa7ia | well, the best way is to get a free did for now |
| 01:01.18 | bintut | hypa7ia: what are your providers? any link? are they cheap? |
| 01:01.25 | hypa7ia | there are a couple out there... stanaphone, sipgate |
| 01:01.58 | hypa7ia | i use stanaphone for american minutes, sipgate for british, and my actual paid provider is a canadian one called unlimitel |
| 01:02.14 | hypa7ia | you want to look on voip-info forprovider links |
| 01:02.30 | bintut | hypa7ia: where is it? are those free did gives me a phone number so that the people within their area can call me and that call will redirect to my home asterisk setup here in our country? |
| 01:02.51 | hypa7ia | you can |
| 01:02.53 | hypa7ia | err |
| 01:03.02 | hypa7ia | you can's really think of it as "redirecting" |
| 01:03.30 | hypa7ia | so take stanaphone as an example |
| 01:03.31 | bintut | hypa7ia: i'm already searching at voip-info.org site.. i need some suggestions.. |
| 01:03.46 | bintut | i'll check stanaphone's website.. |
| 01:04.21 | hypa7ia | someone in NYC calls you (free for both of you). their call goes pstn -> stanaphone's t1 line -> internet -> your asterisk |
| 01:04.36 | bintut | hypa7ia: what's your recommended softphone for linux that supports sip and/or iax, by the way? |
| 01:04.45 | hypa7ia | hoo boy |
| 01:04.53 | hypa7ia | i haven't found one for IAX that i liked yet |
| 01:04.59 | hypa7ia | and sip.. haven't tried |
| 01:05.05 | bintut | hypa7ia: thanks for the recommendation on stanaphone |
| 01:05.09 | hypa7ia | i'm spoiled and have a bunch of cisco phones :/ |
| 01:05.16 | hypa7ia | no problemo |
| 01:05.18 | twisted | hahahaha |
| 01:05.20 | twisted | spoiled. |
| 01:05.33 | bintut | hypa7ia: i don't have cisco phones.. it's too expensive for resedential and testing purposes |
| 01:05.44 | hypa7ia | oh for sure |
| 01:05.57 | hypa7ia | twisted: any linux softphone suggestions? |
| 01:06.00 | hypa7ia | :p |
| 01:06.09 | twisted | hypa7ia, xlite |
| 01:06.21 | twisted | but i don't know if it's out of beta yet |
| 01:06.59 | twisted | oh it is |
| 01:07.01 | twisted | imagine that |
| 01:07.03 | *** join/#asterisk iCEBrkr (n=icebrkr@6532244hfc169.tampabay.res.rr.com) |
| 01:07.10 | twisted | http://www.xten.com/download/X-Lite_Install.tar.gz |
| 01:07.27 | bintut | twisted: it's ok to use beta.. anyway, this is just for testing purposes.. is xlite for free and open source? |
| 01:07.33 | twisted | it's out of beta |
| 01:07.36 | twisted | it's free, but not open source |
| 01:07.49 | bintut | twisted: ok.. thanks for the link.. :) |
| 01:08.23 | Qwell | free, open source, not complete shit |
| 01:08.25 | Qwell | pick 2 :D |
| 01:08.38 | Qwell | (in the case of x-lite, pick 1) |
| 01:08.46 | twisted | no |
| 01:08.51 | twisted | xlite is free, and not complete shit |
| 01:08.55 | hypa7ia | haha |
| 01:09.10 | Qwell | appears to be... |
| 01:09.13 | hypa7ia | that's the point twisted it's not open source :p |
| 01:09.48 | hypa7ia | bintut: http://voip-info.org/wiki/view/VOIP+Service+Providers+Residential |
| 01:09.51 | Qwell | xlite...like...it has dtmf issues |
| 01:09.58 | twisted | Qwell, no, it like, doens't |
| 01:10.07 | Qwell | when I click buttons, it shows me double dtmf on the screen :p |
| 01:10.26 | twisted | Qwell, sounds like mouse issues |
| 01:10.30 | twisted | i use it just fine |
| 01:10.33 | Qwell | sure, sure, blame the hardware |
| 01:11.01 | bintut | as far as i understand with stanaphone's website, it's free to receive calls with a local telephone number but all the calls should be paid unless the recepients are using the stanaphone |
| 01:11.09 | Sedorox | say... anyone wanna buy a smartjack for a t1? :p |
| 01:11.13 | Qwell | twisted: When I dial say 8500, it'll go 85000 |
| 01:11.20 | hypa7ia | i think new york outgoing is still free, no? |
| 01:11.32 | hypa7ia | unless that's changed |
| 01:11.44 | Qwell | seems to always double the 4th digit for me |
| 01:11.56 | Qwell | or, wait, no...it happens when I type it, not click |
| 01:12.20 | twisted | Sedorox, what's the input? |
| 01:12.22 | bintut | what can you say skype? can i use it for my purpose? |
| 01:12.25 | twisted | hdsl? idsl? |
| 01:12.52 | Sedorox | I think hdsl.. I can look |
| 01:12.53 | bintut | hypa7ia: thanks for the link.. i already visited that. :) |
| 01:13.29 | *** part/#asterisk hansentho (n=th@80.77.139.17) |
| 01:14.05 | hypa7ia | bintut: skype can't interface with asterisk |
| 01:14.12 | bintut | hypa7ia: ok |
| 01:14.13 | twisted | oooh dryer buzz |
| 01:14.18 | Sedorox | twisted: http://spaceservices.net/~brandon/pictures/smartjack/ |
| 01:14.45 | justinu | that's hdsl |
| 01:15.02 | Sedorox | yea.. I thought so.. |
| 01:15.14 | bintut | brb.. |
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| 01:16.49 | *** join/#asterisk krisguy (n=krisguy@h216-170-039-057.adsl.navix.net) |
| 01:17.33 | justinu | that stuff like usually belonds to a LEC and stuff... :P |
| 01:17.38 | justinu | belongs |
| 01:17.49 | Sedorox | wha? the smartjack? |
| 01:18.14 | *** join/#asterisk starkit (n=th@80.77.139.17) |
| 01:18.15 | justinu | yeah |
| 01:18.33 | Sedorox | I got it from a auction on ebay with a vina/lucent/connectreach integrator... |
| 01:18.49 | Sedorox | they have allegance telcom stickers on them :-x |
| 01:18.52 | starkit | how to create a secure dialplan in asterisk |
| 01:18.52 | *** join/#asterisk jcath (n=skycat@159.226.21.127) |
| 01:18.56 | twisted | i h8 connectreaches\ |
| 01:19.23 | Sedorox | I don't have a T1 card to test it with.. but I was hoping to use it as a channel bank with asterisk |
| 01:19.34 | twisted | in theory you could do that just fine |
| 01:19.39 | justinu | you need a long haul or something? |
| 01:20.08 | twisted | Sedorox, what you asking for the jack? |
| 01:20.22 | *** part/#asterisk krisguy (n=krisguy@h216-170-039-057.adsl.navix.net) |
| 01:20.52 | twisted | heh ok |
| 01:20.54 | justinu | heh, not bad if you need it |
| 01:21.09 | Sedorox | I don't know what going rate is.. so... |
| 01:21.09 | Sedorox | hehe |
| 01:21.20 | justinu | but without the CO side, doesn't do much good |
| 01:21.27 | Sedorox | yea... |
| 01:21.38 | starkit | how do I create a secure dialplan in asterisk? |
| 01:22.00 | Sedorox | just make sure they don't link into each other when you don't want them to? |
| 01:22.09 | Qwell | starkit: disable guest access, don't use the default context, give everybody passwords, separate all the contexts to people who need access to a given trunk |
| 01:22.24 | Sedorox | justinu: I wasn't sure if you could take two smartjacks and hook them together... |
| 01:22.35 | twisted | nah you can't |
| 01:22.39 | Sedorox | ah |
| 01:22.46 | Qwell | Whats a smartjack? |
| 01:23.07 | Qwell | I knew a guy named dumbjack |
| 01:23.11 | Sedorox | lol |
| 01:23.15 | *** join/#asterisk marc324 (n=marc3234@206-248-157-175.dsl.teksavvy.com) |
| 01:23.16 | twisted | but i got a buddy in nashville who runs a facilities based clec with the right equipment |
| 01:23.26 | justinu | Sedorox: you can, but there's a CPE side module, and a CO side module, iirc. |
| 01:23.35 | Sedorox | ahhh ok |
| 01:23.42 | Sedorox | yea.. I got no use for it.. so... |
| 01:23.57 | Sedorox | I figure is someone here could use it.. good.. otherwise I'm gonna stick it on ebay with some other stuff I have |
| 01:24.37 | twisted | Sedorox, paypal? |
| 01:24.47 | Sedorox | sure |
| 01:25.06 | Sedorox | has powersupply too |
| 01:25.10 | twisted | cool |
| 01:26.29 | Qwell | don't msg me |
| 01:26.50 | implicit | DON'T MESSAGE QWELL |
| 01:26.56 | justinu | yeah, geez |
| 01:27.08 | implicit | FUCKIN A JUSTINU, CAN'T YOU READ? |
| 01:27.11 | implicit | HAHAHA |
| 01:27.11 | implicit | JK |
| 01:27.47 | Sedorox | hehe |
| 01:27.49 | implicit | justinu, we all are |
| 01:29.20 | justinu | so implicit, the fbi hasn't shown up at your door yet? |
| 01:31.05 | implicit | lol |
| 01:31.07 | implicit | why would they |
| 01:31.18 | *** join/#asterisk test34 (i=1000@unaffiliated/test34) |
| 01:31.20 | twisted | because justinu told them you were hiding WMD's |
| 01:31.24 | justinu | no idea :) |
| 01:31.25 | implicit | hahaha |
| 01:31.29 | starkit | Qwell: how do I disable guest access in ast.... |
| 01:32.40 | justinu | i think you should msg him w/ that question |
| 01:32.55 | implicit | msg it to me |
| 01:32.58 | implicit | and i will be a relay for you |
| 01:33.01 | justinu | lol |
| 01:34.10 | justinu | will you relay that? |
| 01:34.52 | tzanger | please please stop |
| 01:35.05 | starkit | how do I disable guest access in ast.... |
| 01:38.05 | *** part/#asterisk starkit (n=th@80.77.139.17) |
| 01:38.34 | rajiv | how does one transfer a call with an analog phone? |
| 01:38.39 | twisted | and sushi is how you do everthing ;) |
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| 01:39.46 | tzanger | rajiv: hookflash or # if you use 't' or 'T' dial options |
| 01:40.56 | rajiv | so, on call, flash, get dial tone, dial dest extension, 3rd party answers, then hang up? or flash again then hang up? |
| 01:41.08 | rajiv | in the latter case, doesn't that start a 3-way call? |
| 01:41.18 | hypa7ia | twisted: seriously |
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| 01:45.44 | MRH2 | hi is the cvs tag for 1.2 "1-2" or "1-2-0" as there is stuff under both of them? |
| 01:46.34 | MRH2 | i missed the v |
| 01:48.49 | test34 | /bin/sh: -c: line 0: syntax error near unexpected token `;' -> anyone else get this error while installing zaptel driver ? |
| 01:49.35 | test34 | I use kernel 2.6.14.2.. and I did make linux26 ; make install |
| 01:51.14 | MRH2 | try it with just make clean; make; make install |
| 01:51.37 | MRH2 | i don;t think u need the linux26 any more |
| 01:52.10 | test34 | ok I will try that thanks |
| 01:53.04 | deezed | Does anyone know what I could be doing wrong? I have this in my dial plan. exten => _XXX,6,Dial(IAX2/deezed/1${PHONENUM},20,mM(screen)) - but asterisk CLI says macro_exec: No such context 'macro-(screen' for macro '(screen'... There is [macro-screen] but i don't know why its saying there is a "(" |
| 01:54.04 | drumkilla | deezed: you just need to upgrade |
| 01:54.19 | drumkilla | that was a bug that has been fixed in the current release. |
| 01:55.11 | deezed | oh ok... glad it was not my ignorance. Im currently running 1.2 RC1. Do i have to delete all the asterisk dirs before I make install 1.2? |
| 01:55.25 | Dr_Ray | hey twisted, what makes -48 vs 48 v on a dc powersupply? just how it is hooked up? |
| 01:55.37 | MRH2 | what is the difference betwwen cvs tag v1-2 and v1-2-0 ??? |
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| 01:55.57 | Juggie | no idea, but only one should exist |
| 01:56.35 | test34 | MRH2, I get the same error |
| 01:57.38 | MRH2 | noticed latest stuff in cvs has tag v1-2 |
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| 01:58.22 | drumkilla | no ... v1-2 is a branch |
| 01:58.36 | drumkilla | and v1-2-0 is a tag on the v1-2 branch that indicates the state of the branch when 1.2.0 was released. |
| 01:59.14 | MRH2 | ok thanks |
| 01:59.25 | MRH2 | makes sense |
| 02:00.08 | hhoffman | I seem to get a lot of echo btwn two systems connecting to my * server... is there a way to get rid of this? |
| 02:01.17 | justinu | dr_ray: i always thought that it's just hooked up that way |
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| 02:01.38 | justinu | but someone told me otherwise |
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| 02:01.44 | chandi | hey guys! |
| 02:02.12 | justinu | dr_ray: i read that they used -48VDC because it somehow keeps corrosion from forming on wires... back in the day when they used open wires for phones |
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| 02:12.32 | ManxPower | ~docs |
| 02:12.34 | jbot | docs is, like, probably Documentation can be found at http://www.digium.com/index.php?menu=documentation or http://www.digium.com/handbook-draft.pdf or http://www.voip-info.org/wiki-Asterisk or http://www.asteriskdocs.org or http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/asterisk or http://www.asteriskguru.com |
| 02:12.35 | ManxPower | ~mailinglist |
| 02:12.37 | jbot | [mailinglist] Search Asterisk mailing lists by prepending site:lists.digium.com to your Google search. Browse the mailing list archive at http://lists.digium.com/ or search through it at http://www.asteriskguru.com/archives/search.php |
| 02:18.32 | deezed | if i have a cvs head version of Zaptel 2 weeks ago.. is it necessary to install zaptel 1.2? All im using is ZTdummy |
| 02:19.25 | justinu | best not to mess with running 2 different versions |
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| 02:48.07 | Goodjoke | i'm trying to figure out how to get two ext. to ring at the same time |
| 02:48.30 | Goodjoke | i think i have the instructions i need, but i'm running amp |
| 02:49.01 | Goodjoke | so i can't really figure it out.... any suggestions? |
| 02:49.19 | rajiv | Dial(SIP/100&SIP/101) |
| 02:50.13 | Goodjoke | but how with amp? which config? |
| 02:50.23 | rajiv | i dont use amp. sorry |
| 02:50.35 | Goodjoke | yeah...that's my prob. :) |
| 02:51.25 | {zombie} | at least you realise what the problem is.. the solution is to ditch AMP and modify the config files yourself ;) |
| 02:52.27 | Goodjoke | yeah...but then i wouldn't be able to do the basic stuff that amp provides for me...and i don't have that much time to learn the config files. |
| 02:53.39 | ZeroXeal | there isn't a self configuring - installing, tar.gz for asterisk on FreeBSD is there? |
| 02:53.53 | ZeroXeal | I still cannot get it to install, tempted to install that stupid cd version of asterisk |
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| 03:00.32 | Vco | you mean like, some sort of sentient asterisk package? |
| 03:00.44 | Vco | " |
| 03:00.53 | Vco | "i am, therefore i install" |
| 03:01.39 | nahirean | hahaha |
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| 03:08.47 | JonR800 | Goodjoke: amp won't let you ring two at the same time? |
| 03:09.12 | JonR800 | Goodjoke: how do you enter what ext you want to ring? is it just a textbox you can enter anything into? |
| 03:09.25 | Renacor | what version is cvs on right now? |
| 03:09.41 | Renacor | Im doing 'make update' and install but it still shows 1.2 beta 1 |
| 03:09.54 | JonR800 | cvs is always head? |
| 03:10.12 | JonR800 | 1.2 is marked v1-2 i think |
| 03:10.37 | wunderkin | the release is v1-2-0 i think |
| 03:10.45 | Goodjoke | JonR800: ? |
| 03:11.20 | Goodjoke | currently, when someone dials my ext, here's what happens: exten => 303,1,Macro(exten-vm,303@default,303) |
| 03:11.25 | Renacor | when you run 'make update' from your cvs directory what version are you supposed to get? |
| 03:11.29 | Goodjoke | exten => ${VM_PREFIX}303,1,Macro(vm,303) |
| 03:12.19 | JonR800 | ahh.. so it's not as easy as just tossing an & in there |
| 03:12.28 | Goodjoke | no |
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| 03:38.39 | docE | whadup! |
| 03:40.37 | hypa7ia | sup doc |
| 03:40.38 | hypa7ia | :p |
| 03:41.07 | docE | nada.. Just screwing around with Mac OSX x86 |
| 03:41.08 | zimdog | Any one using an Iaxy? |
| 03:41.14 | docE | which Im liking |
| 03:41.30 | docE | I dont wanna own a mac but I like the software |
| 03:42.19 | hypa7ia | i wish there was a mac tablet :( |
| 03:42.30 | docE | ahh but there is... |
| 03:42.38 | justinu | haha... newton! |
| 03:42.41 | hypa7ia | i know, i know, i have 2 |
| 03:42.55 | hypa7ia | emate and 2100 |
| 03:43.00 | docE | Get any PC tablet and put OSX x86 on it. |
| 03:43.21 | hypa7ia | that would work perfectly but for the lack of pen drivers |
| 03:43.33 | docE | Im sure it could happen |
| 03:44.03 | docE | Just need Kevin to do it up |
| 03:44.53 | docE | Adium is a fairly cool program |
| 03:45.31 | hypa7ia | i used to use fire |
| 03:45.34 | hypa7ia | for IM |
| 03:45.42 | hypa7ia | colloquy was the best irc client ever |
| 03:46.18 | docE | I dont miss MAC but I like the OS kinda.. |
| 03:46.41 | docE | Im just a unix dork.. If only Microshit would make the move |
| 03:46.48 | Sedorox | lol |
| 03:47.22 | tainted_ | how do i increase the timeout for the user to punch in digits? |
| 03:47.52 | docE | Do it in the phone |
| 03:48.26 | hypa7ia | i've been using linux on the desktop for a couple of years now since i sold my iMac... i miss the gui |
| 03:48.44 | docE | Use Gnome |
| 03:48.47 | docE | I use it at work |
| 03:49.25 | docE | I have windows @ home for the wife, CentOS 4.2 w/ Gnome @ work, and Mac OSX-86 on my Dell Laptop |
| 03:50.41 | hypa7ia | i do use gnome (ubuntu). i meant i miss the mac gui in particular |
| 03:51.26 | docE | Mac or OSX? |
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| 03:56.31 | docE | Yippie! |
| 03:59.37 | hypa7ia | osx |
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| 04:03.19 | asterboy | howdy |
| 04:03.41 | MrBelvedr | I am spiking my cpu and I do not want to. should I use nice(1) or nice(19) to lower the priority? |
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| 04:05.06 | asterboy | I spike mine with whiskey...that usually slows it down a little. |
| 04:05.12 | asterboy | :P |
| 04:06.02 | asterboy | I'd say experiment, can't hurt to try. |
| 04:06.21 | hypa7ia | or try man nice |
| 04:06.33 | MrBelvedr | man nice explains nothing |
| 04:06.37 | tainted_ | how do i increase the timeout when receiving DTMF from the user? |
| 04:06.47 | asterboy | be nice man. |
| 04:06.48 | tainted_ | it executes too quickly |
| 04:07.36 | hypa7ia | ADJUST is 10 by default. Range goes from -20 (highest priority) |
| 04:07.36 | hypa7ia | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:07.54 | MrBelvedr | thx |
| 04:07.58 | hypa7ia | np :) |
| 04:08.06 | MrBelvedr | man nice on solaris is not as descriptive :) |
| 04:08.11 | MrBelvedr | thx alot |
| 04:08.39 | hypa7ia | haha, silly solaris |
| 04:11.01 | benjk | docE: do you have any development skills, ie Zaptel? |
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| 04:14.51 | benjk | not particularly friendly this chap, eh? |
| 04:15.00 | asterboy | Can someone please point me to a good MusicOnHold document? |
| 04:15.13 | asterboy | Trying to set mine up. |
| 04:15.17 | wunderkin | wow benjk you are always here :P |
| 04:15.23 | asterboy | Also want to set up Record. |
| 04:15.30 | benjk | is the Wiki not good enough? |
| 04:15.58 | asterboy | I looked but it wasn't that helpful for me. |
| 04:16.13 | benjk | wunderkin: not really, I just got up |
| 04:16.15 | asterboy | Need some better examples. |
| 04:16.26 | wunderkin | ah |
| 04:16.40 | asterboy | wasn't clear to me where to put the function in extensions.conf |
| 04:16.43 | benjk | I just don't log out, that's all |
| 04:16.49 | wunderkin | yeah |
| 04:17.02 | bintut | gtg |
| 04:17.04 | bintut | thanks all.. :) |
| 04:21.08 | zimdog | any advice3 on getting the iaxy to work |
| 04:23.46 | asterboy | The other problem with going to 1.2 is that the docs are all needing updates. |
| 04:25.57 | asterboy | From what I understand, mpg123 is used in 1.0.9 but 1.2 has its own built in app ... so how do you configure it? |
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| 04:28.07 | drumkilla | zimdog: http://www.digium.com/downloads/Iaxy_Installation_Guide.pdf |
| 04:29.04 | wunderkin | Corydon-w: i updated 5809 |
| 04:29.24 | zimdog | Thanks drumkilla I found and followed those instructions but must be missing something |
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| 04:29.51 | zimdog | The iaxy seems to register. I get a solid blue lighjt now but no dialtone |
| 04:30.02 | zimdog | So solid yellow light just flickers |
| 04:30.12 | drumkilla | have you tried a different phone? |
| 04:30.15 | zimdog | So = no |
| 04:30.21 | zimdog | yes |
| 04:30.59 | Qwell | asterboy: you can still use mpg123 in 1.0.2 |
| 04:31.02 | Qwell | 1.2.0 |
| 04:31.19 | asterboy | but I would like to use the new built in app. |
| 04:31.19 | drumkilla | zimdog: hm ... that doesn't sound good. You might need to RMA it. Contact support@digium.com |
| 04:32.12 | benjk | does the native mp3 app require zaptel timing? |
| 04:32.13 | drumkilla | no! |
| 04:32.17 | zimdog | I was thinking it may be bad the instructions seem pretty straight forward. Thansk, |
| 04:32.27 | hhoffman | that's pretty damn handy! |
| 04:32.32 | drumkilla | benjk: which native mp3 app are you referring to? format_mp3? |
| 04:32.47 | drumkilla | zimdog: you are welcome |
| 04:32.59 | benjk | whichever replaced mpg123 |
| 04:33.10 | drumkilla | benjk: nothing replaced mpg123 ... |
| 04:33.39 | drumkilla | there is the addition of the ability of using asterisk to read any sound file on the machine directly as long as it is a format asterisk understands |
| 04:33.52 | benjk | as far as I understand it you no longer require mpg123 to do MoH |
| 04:33.56 | drumkilla | but you can still use an external application as a source of the musiconhold audio |
| 04:33.59 | drumkilla | right |
| 04:34.14 | benjk | yeah, well, bad wording |
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| 04:34.28 | drumkilla | but to use an mp3, you will need the addition of format_mp3, or still use mpg123 |
| 04:34.42 | drumkilla | just trying to make sure it was clear :) |
| 04:35.07 | benjk | what I meant to ask is whether the new method (not using mpg123) still relies on zaptel timing |
| 04:35.13 | Qwell | it never did |
| 04:35.24 | benjk | MoH? |
| 04:35.27 | Qwell | yes |
| 04:35.33 | benjk | sure did |
| 04:35.34 | Qwell | meetme and iax trunking |
| 04:36.07 | drumkilla | benjk: no, i don't think so. |
| 04:36.18 | drumkilla | to the quesiton about it requiring zaptel ... |
| 04:36.34 | drumkilla | I think it just stops reading the file if nobody is asking for it |
| 04:36.35 | benjk | as far as I understand, MoH requires zaptel timing but MAY work without it |
| 04:37.07 | benjk | and on OSX it doesn't work without |
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| 04:39.10 | benjk | of course I may be wrong and the reason was something different, something we overlooked |
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| 04:42.16 | Math` | voicejet drops Canada calls to 0.010$min :o |
| 04:42.33 | asterboy | Is there a document for setting up the new native mp3 MusicOnHold??? |
| 04:43.02 | asterboy | Not sure if I need formatmp3 |
| 04:43.39 | justinu | you do |
| 04:43.45 | Qwell | asterboy: asterisk can't legally put anything that does mp3 into the core. You need format_mp3 for it |
| 04:44.18 | justinu | install format mp3, they edit musiconhold.conf |
| 04:45.10 | SkramX | any nufone staff around? |
| 04:45.14 | wunderkin | hi justinu :D |
| 04:45.23 | justinu | hey d00d |
| 04:45.41 | wunderkin | gnarly! |
| 04:45.49 | justinu | fer sure |
| 04:46.02 | wunderkin | :/ |
| 04:46.19 | wunderkin | SSDD :) |
| 04:46.55 | justinu | beginning of another week... |
| 04:47.00 | justinu | lovely |
| 04:47.05 | wunderkin | yes |
| 04:47.11 | wunderkin | still having the same problems :D |
| 04:47.39 | justinu | sounds like herpes |
| 04:47.42 | justinu | never goes away :) |
| 04:47.49 | wunderkin | something like that |
| 04:48.25 | wunderkin | they think its the timing from my end |
| 04:49.03 | justinu | well, you're timed off the loop, right? |
| 04:49.08 | wunderkin | ya |
| 04:49.43 | justinu | so the only way your timing could be slipping is if their signal to you got bad enough for your t1 framer to switch to internal |
| 04:50.13 | wunderkin | they say they only see the few seconds of red alarm and miniscule other little things but they wouldnt tell me what |
| 04:50.28 | wunderkin | this is all going way downhill so its hard telling since they werent worried about it |
| 04:50.40 | wunderkin | something about framing and direction was one of them? |
| 04:51.01 | orlock | Hmm. |
| 04:51.18 | justinu | at this point, i'd probably hire a wiring guy w/ a T1 diag set to come in and verify your wiring |
| 04:51.18 | orlock | I am about to configure * - I have an account at a sip proxy/provider. |
| 04:51.23 | wunderkin | he only mentioned the one error but he said they were all miniscule so they didnt care |
| 04:51.27 | justinu | either that or order some T1s from a different LEC |
| 04:51.31 | wunderkin | lol |
| 04:51.35 | orlock | and i've got a cisco sip phone, and i've never done this before - any suggestions? |
| 04:51.44 | justinu | ask them to extend the inside wiring to your * box |
| 04:52.02 | wunderkin | well they did a head-head test on the 1st one already and came clean, im pretty sure they tested from the niu to my loop when they were there before |
| 04:52.10 | wunderkin | and they are supposted to be doing the same thing monday on the other one |
| 04:52.21 | justinu | so then you're feeling pretty confident the inside wiring is ok |
| 04:52.22 | justinu | ? |
| 04:52.39 | wunderkin | i think so |
| 04:52.44 | wunderkin | they have tested to a hardloop on both |
| 04:52.49 | justinu | yeah, your setup sounds simple enough |
| 04:53.01 | justinu | their end is much more complicated :) |
| 04:53.06 | wunderkin | yeah |
| 04:53.28 | justinu | anyways, dinner time |
| 04:53.38 | wunderkin | we were going to see if they would change the niu on both, change pairs on the cross connects at the colo |
| 04:53.43 | wunderkin | change cables and change t1 cards |
| 04:53.47 | wunderkin | dinner? wow late :P |
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| 04:54.40 | orlock | 3:55pm here |
| 04:54.49 | wunderkin | it would be nice to have an asterisk group locally and see if someone could loan me a t1 test set :D |
| 04:55.20 | wunderkin | too bad the colo doesnt have one |
| 04:55.42 | wunderkin | eli has a switch in the building, i wouldnt need qwest :( |
| 04:55.59 | wunderkin | my voip provider that i colo with has 8 pris from eli there |
| 04:56.11 | wunderkin | they wouldnt wheel and deal with me though with my ld volume |
| 04:57.00 | asterboy | ok, so format_mp3 is part of the addon package...installing...don't need the mpg123 anymore?...great |
| 04:57.17 | heath__ | thnk they do drug tests for the asterisk janitor positions? |
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| 04:59.29 | wunderkin | heath__, stop by the secretary's desk for an application |
| 04:59.35 | drumkilla | heath__: why would you ask that? |
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| 04:59.56 | heath__ | damn poppy muffins |
| 05:00.21 | drumkilla | and yes, we drug test. |
| 05:00.24 | drumkilla | to make sure you do them. |
| 05:00.35 | Pete_Largo | What is the "best" IP Phone to use for an asterisk implementation? |
| 05:00.38 | KerryG | anyone any good at AMP multi-tenant setups here? |
| 05:00.52 | KerryG | what would make it "best" for you? |
| 05:00.56 | dudes | You can do * on drugs, WOT |
| 05:01.19 | Pete_Largo | well, it would have to not sound like crap for one thing ;) |
| 05:01.32 | benjk | does strong Italian espresso count as drugs? |
| 05:01.42 | drumkilla | sure |
| 05:01.45 | dudes | Cisco's ATA/186 has good sounds (but I'm sure there are better ones) |
| 05:01.53 | benjk | cool |
| 05:01.58 | KerryG | low end-Grandstream GXP-2000, mid range Linksys SPA-941 |
| 05:03.27 | Pete_Largo | heath__ : I'm sure there are ways around that |
| 05:03.37 | dudes | Mexico? |
| 05:04.02 | heath__ | i don't have the balls to go to the doc to sing the song and do the dance |
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| 05:04.20 | dudes | Yup that's what Steroids will do |
| 05:04.24 | dudes | shrink your balls |
| 05:04.24 | Pete_Largo | dance? You mean the funky chicken? |
| 05:04.57 | Vco | http://img224.exs.cx/img224/3065/balls1cm.jpg |
| 05:04.58 | Vco | hahaha |
| 05:05.03 | orlock | Hmm. |
| 05:05.05 | KerryG | sigh...got a problem with AMP and cant find any info on it or find anyone who has dont multi-tenent |
| 05:05.44 | dudes | Then don't use AMP and do it that easy way |
| 05:05.45 | ManxPower | Well, I got to see the place I'm looking at moving to. It's interesting, to say the least. |
| 05:06.14 | GeneG | Speaking of problems: Asterisk on Mac OSX, using launchd to start Asterisk on reboot. Getting a chan_sip network unreachable error on registration until I stop Asterisk and let launchd restart it again. |
| 05:06.17 | GeneG | Any suggestions? |
| 05:06.42 | ManxPower | GeneG, Only suggestion is only reference outside devices by IP address |
| 05:06.51 | benjk | don't use launchd until 10.5 is released |
| 05:07.10 | ManxPower | If you have even one DNS failure Bad Things can happen. |
| 05:07.15 | GeneG | Heh |
| 05:07.23 | GeneG | Ok, will try it with hardcoded IP addresses. |
| 05:07.33 | benjk | at least not if you want to have a setup that's compatible with our GUI front ends |
| 05:07.45 | ManxPower | GeneG, if you have outside devices that are behind |
| 05:08.03 | ManxPower | NAT, then add qualify=yes to each [happy-device] section. |
| 05:08.03 | benjk | we need to support the last two versions of OSX and 10.3 doesn't have launchd |
| 05:08.17 | GeneG | Ah interesting |
| 05:08.28 | GeneG | Ok, trying qualify=yes now. |
| 05:08.42 | GeneG | Looks like name resolution is working because the correct IP address is appearing in the network unreachable area. |
| 05:09.32 | GeneG | Benjk: not sure if you got my previous msg, but your suggestion re: downgrading to your 1.0.7 tarball actually helped to reduce latency using Asterisk as the RTP bridge. Thank you for that. |
| 05:09.34 | ManxPower | GeneG, qualify=yes sends a SIP OPTIONS packet to the device, then measures the time to get a response. That 1) confirms the device is still there and 2) will keep any dynamic NAT mappings the router has going. |
| 05:10.01 | benjk | great |
| 05:11.50 | GeneG | Manx, the network unreachable error is occurring when asterisk (behind NAT) is attempting registration to VoIP provider (outside of NAT). I've set qualify=yes and am rebooting now to see what will happen. |
| 05:14.06 | heath__ | anyone get the new app_txfax to work with sip/t38? |
| 05:15.02 | heath__ | cuz i think it's broken.. ((not complaining cuz i know it is being heavily developed)) |
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| 05:16.10 | GeneG | Manx, BenjK: qualify=yes did not solve problem. Is there a way to have launchd wait 5 or 10 secs after startup before starting asterisk? That might give network a chance to settle down before attempting the sip connection. |
| 05:16.21 | GeneG | As I mentioned, stopping and letting launchd restart asterisk solves this problem. |
| 05:16.41 | heath__ | asterisk && sleep x && launchd blah ??? |
| 05:16.48 | heath__ | oops |
| 05:16.50 | heath__ | nevermind |
| 05:16.56 | GeneG | :) |
| 05:17.36 | heath__ | asterisk &; sleep x && launchd blah... in a script |
| 05:17.42 | marc324 | z. |
| 05:17.44 | GeneG | Or even if there was someway to put asterisk dead last in the launchd startup order? |
| 05:18.14 | GeneG | Anybody know which script the launchd command lives? |
| 05:18.25 | GeneG | lives in? |
| 05:19.13 | dudes | couldn't tell ya since it's osx |
| 05:26.13 | GeneG | Trying heath's suggestion now: created a startasterisk script that waits for 5 secs prior to actually doing an asterisk -fvvv |
| 05:28.17 | GeneG | Nope, same problem |
| 05:37.30 | benjk | GeneG: DONT use launchd |
| 05:37.48 | benjk | use StartupItems |
| 05:37.54 | GeneG | ok will try that now |
| 05:38.01 | GeneG | The script was't doing very well anyway |
| 05:38.32 | benjk | then put "requires("NETWORK") inyour startup item's property list |
| 05:39.35 | benjk | In fact, the OSX Asterisk build you downloaded comes with a startup Item and Asterisk Launcher uses that |
| 05:41.08 | asterboy | That is way cool! |
| 05:41.29 | asterboy | I'm listening to Tom Jones...Dock of the Bay...on my telephone. |
| 05:41.41 | GeneG | Benj, where would the installer drop the startup item? |
| 05:41.42 | asterboy | ok...now to find out how to record. |
| 05:41.54 | GeneG | (not the Launcher, but the installation script) |
| 05:42.22 | benjk | in /Library/StartupItems/Asterisk |
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| 05:42.51 | GeneG | Heh makes sense |
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| 05:44.35 | benjk | In the Asterisk Launcher, when you click on the check box "start Asterisk automatically ..." it will create a flag file .AutoLaunchFlag in /etc/asterisk |
| 05:45.10 | CoderCR | hello all |
| 05:45.10 | benjk | the startup item looks for that, if it's there it will launch Asterisk, otherwise ont |
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| 05:45.19 | benjk | er not |
| 05:45.25 | CoderCR | Does anyone here have a Polycom SoundPoint IP 500 |
| 05:46.22 | GeneG | Benj, ya, reading that script now. Not using the Launcher yet, but will create the .AutoLaunchFlag file myself and see if that works |
| 05:47.28 | benjk | if you want to delay the launch, you can add some more "requires(....)" parameters in the script |
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| 05:49.23 | benjk | however, it already requires network and resolver, so I think you should be fine |
| 05:49.30 | benjk | { |
| 05:49.31 | benjk | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:49.31 | benjk | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:49.32 | benjk | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:49.32 | benjk | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:49.33 | benjk | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:49.33 | benjk | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:49.35 | benjk | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:49.37 | benjk | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:49.39 | benjk | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:49.41 | benjk | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:49.43 | benjk | } |
| 05:49.55 | GeneG | Ya, the script worked great right out of the tarball. |
| 05:49.59 | GeneG | Fantastic. Thanks again. |
| 05:51.54 | tuxpert | CoderCR: I have one. What do you need? |
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| 05:56.06 | GeneG | Benj: I spoke too soon. I thought it was working because verbosity was down through the script... I'm still running into the network unreachable error |
| 05:56.06 | *** join/#asterisk YoMama (n=rewt@pcp02689850pcs.roylok01.mi.comcast.net) |
| 05:56.07 | YoMama | la di da |
| 05:56.07 | GeneG | You mentioned I could delay startup further by adding more dependencies. Network and Resolver are already there. ANything else I can add? |
| 05:57.02 | YoMama | delay startup of what? |
| 05:57.03 | GeneG | YoMama, I'm running into a "network unreachable" error when starting * after a reboot. Subsequently stopping and restarting Asterisk solves the problem, but I can't get it to startup properly after a machine reboot. |
| 05:57.28 | GeneG | It's Mac OS X using StartupItems as the launch mechanism (although launchd didn't work either) |
| 05:58.00 | YoMama | GeneG: sounds like your network cards aren't initializing before asterisk starts |
| 05:58.00 | GeneG | The problem occurs when Asterisk (behind NAT) tries to register with VoIP provider (outside NAT). The IP is being resolved correctly though. |
| 05:58.24 | YoMama | GeneG: do this..take asterisk out of your init.d and try starting it up manually after a machine reboot |
| 05:58.25 | GeneG | Ya, that would make sense. I'm trying to delay * startup for 5-10 secs to allow things to settle down. |
| 05:58.25 | YoMama | if it works..then it's a timing or permissions problem |
| 05:58.25 | GeneG | k |
| 05:58.45 | YoMama | GeneG: even better would be to write a script that tests the network is up before asterisk starts |
| 05:59.28 | YoMama | if you're going to use it for production reasons...what if one day the network takes 10 seconds instead of 5...and your script starts up asterisk after 8 seconds? then you're screwed |
| 05:59.34 | YoMama | better to check the dependencies.. |
| 05:59.59 | GeneG | Well, the StartupItems parameters explicitly specify dependency on Network and Resolver |
| 06:00.14 | YoMama | Resolver? |
| 06:00.17 | YoMama | DNS u mean? |
| 06:00.31 | YoMama | what distro are u using? |
| 06:00.49 | GeneG | I think so. I'm kind of new to Mac OS X myself. Mac OS X with Asterisk 1.0.7 tarball. |
| 06:01.03 | trixter | http://i-newswire.com/pr50503.html First international ranking of VoIP providers (top 100) |
| 06:01.11 | bsdfreak | yim mah |
| 06:01.58 | YoMama | GeneG: MacOS X? |
| 06:02.20 | YoMama | umm...i didn't even know it ran on MacOS X...must be a port |
| 06:02.28 | GeneG | it's a port, works great. |
| 06:02.38 | YoMama | good lord |
| 06:02.41 | YoMama | sounds fun |
| 06:02.53 | GeneG | Starting from command-line after reboot works fine, it's only when I'm trying to start * automatically after a reboot |
| 06:02.57 | GeneG | :) |
| 06:03.10 | CoderCR | Does anyone have a Polycom SoundPoint IP 500 or 501? |
| 06:03.19 | GeneG | http://www.astmasters.net/home.html |
| 06:07.53 | wunderkin | so he eats and runs |
| 06:08.55 | *** join/#asterisk nick125 (n=nick@unaffiliated/nick125) |
| 06:08.56 | nick125 | quick question: anyone here know about how much a voice t1 (24 channels) costs per month? |
| 06:08.56 | shido6 | 2 cents/minute :) |
| 06:08.56 | trixter | depends on where you are what carrier etc |
| 06:08.56 | tainted_ | nick125 where are u located |
| 06:08.56 | ikarus | nick125: so much that if you need to ask you can't afford it :P |
| 06:09.03 | nick125 | tainted_: well, probably albuquerque, new mexico |
| 06:09.09 | tainted_ | what's the carrier? |
| 06:09.23 | nick125 | the telco out here is qwest |
| 06:09.39 | tainted_ | nick125 if it's in a metro area, i'd say between 500 - 1000 |
| 06:09.47 | trixter | um |
| 06:09.54 | trixter | that seems really high |
| 06:09.59 | tainted_ | it's not |
| 06:10.15 | trixter | I dont know about NM specifically but here its $200 or so |
| 06:10.26 | nick125 | trixter: what carrier? |
| 06:10.26 | tainted_ | where are you located? |
| 06:10.33 | trixter | california |
| 06:10.37 | tainted_ | which part? |
| 06:10.46 | trixter | near sacramento |
| 06:10.47 | YoMama | trixter: a point to point T1? |
| 06:10.48 | tainted_ | i'm in los angeles |
| 06:10.55 | nick125 | i heard that voice t1s would be around 200-400 |
| 06:11.00 | tainted_ | 200 sounds ridiculously low |
| 06:11.00 | YoMama | if u want a PRI...it's gonna be more than $200 |
| 06:11.06 | GeneG | YoMama, BenjK: putting a "sleep 10" before the asterisk -vvv in the StartupParameters.plist did the trick |
| 06:11.08 | trixter | $1000 seems insanely high |
| 06:11.23 | trixter | he didnt say pri he said 24 channels |
| 06:11.25 | tainted_ | they force you to purchse DID 'bundles' |
| 06:11.31 | trixter | with pri you can only get 24 if using NFAS and its your 2nd pri |
| 06:11.54 | tainted_ | 23 usable |
| 06:11.55 | YoMama | GenG: nice |
| 06:11.56 | nick125 | trixter: what carrier is that? (the one you were talking about for $200) |
| 06:12.02 | trixter | 24 if using NFAS |
| 06:12.05 | trixter | on your 2nd anyway |
| 06:12.12 | YoMama | umm..so you're talking a channelized T1 voice |
| 06:12.18 | YoMama | those suck..but they are cheap |
| 06:12.21 | YoMama | few hundred bucks |
| 06:12.33 | tainted_ | what's the diff between that and PRI? |
| 06:12.42 | trixter | and pri isnt gonna be $1k for voice either.. they werent in 1997 and they certainly arent getting that much more |
| 06:12.48 | YoMama | tainted: PRI is truly digital...a channelized T1 is not |
| 06:12.53 | tainted_ | they force TDM over T1? |
| 06:13.03 | trixter | um |
| 06:13.07 | tainted_ | n/m |
| 06:13.08 | trixter | a T1 is TDM which is digital |
| 06:13.31 | tainted_ | what carrier is 200/month |
| 06:13.33 | nick125 | yeah, T1 is digital |
| 06:13.38 | trixter | further a pri is just different framing over a T1 |
| 06:13.54 | YoMama | the signalling works like an analog circuit though |
| 06:14.03 | trixter | that depends |
| 06:14.08 | trixter | some are MF some arent |
| 06:14.30 | trixter | in 1997 the ISP I woprked at upgraded to T1s for modem calls and it wasnt digital signalling |
| 06:14.40 | tainted_ | what carrier is offering voice t1 at 200/month |
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| 06:14.55 | tainted_ | i want to colo there |
| 06:15.00 | trixter | I dont think that now it would be.. |
| 06:15.10 | YoMama | trixter: if you're running dialin pools...PRIs are almost the only way to go |
| 06:15.11 | nick125 | for one of those T1 lines, what kind of digium equipment would i need? would a digium wildcard te110p work alright? |
| 06:15.28 | tainted_ | trixter stop talking out of your ass |
| 06:15.49 | trixter | ok I was wrong T1s are $1k/mo and T1s are analog |
| 06:15.53 | trixter | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:16.01 | tainted_ | tell me the damn carrier |
| 06:16.07 | trixter | not now |
| 06:16.12 | Vco | not ever |
| 06:16.15 | trixter | you dont insult someone and then ask for their help |
| 06:16.26 | trixter | so fuck off |
| 06:16.26 | tainted_ | lol |
| 06:16.27 | YoMama | sweet |
| 06:16.42 | tainted_ | i saw a pri line once for 49.99 free shipping |
| 06:16.51 | Vco | heh..heh.. |
| 06:16.53 | YoMama | yeah? get me one |
| 06:17.11 | tainted_ | it worked like the time machine in napoleon dynamite |
| 06:17.13 | tainted_ | just plug it in |
| 06:17.28 | YoMama | and hook it to your balls? |
| 06:17.34 | Vco | wtf is with napoleon dynamite lately.. |
| 06:17.35 | tainted_ | yes that's right |
| 06:17.46 | tainted_ | buy two get one free |
| 06:17.50 | Vco | thats like the 5th or so reference to it lately.. |
| 06:18.10 | Vco | even a talking napoleon dynamite pen some woman ahead of me in line at teh store had |
| 06:18.20 | Vco | the store....even.. |
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| 06:19.22 | YoMama | tainted: u kid about that..but i did get a buy one get one free deal on PRIs from SBC |
| 06:19.57 | tainted_ | i believe it |
| 06:20.19 | YoMama | I got one PRI for $850 and the other for free |
| 06:20.31 | tainted_ | same physical location/ |
| 06:20.31 | tainted_ | ? |
| 06:20.36 | YoMama | yes |
| 06:20.45 | YoMama | they were bonded together too |
| 06:20.47 | tainted_ | 3 yr commit? |
| 06:20.50 | YoMama | yes |
| 06:20.51 | tainted_ | oh sweet! |
| 06:21.07 | YoMama | $400 for a PRI ain't bad i figured |
| 06:21.09 | tainted_ | yea they get u on the contracts.. but that's a great price |
| 06:21.24 | YoMama | yeah...it was originally like $1400 for the two |
| 06:21.29 | YoMama | until they realized i was talking to MCI and ATT |
| 06:21.35 | YoMama | then the price shot down..hahaha |
| 06:21.50 | YoMama | i even made 'em roll in the DID bundles |
| 06:22.01 | CoderCR | Does anyone have a Polycom SoundPoint IP 500 or 501 |
| 06:22.10 | tainted_ | what NPA was this? |
| 06:22.36 | tainted_ | i can't get them (SBC) to budge, b/c they know that they are my only option |
| 06:23.31 | Math` | YoMama a PRI for 400$? :) where? |
| 06:23.39 | tainted_ | i talked to some guy offering a 'virtual PRI' with most ratecenters in lower 48 states for 1200/month |
| 06:23.45 | Math` | oh ok 850$ |
| 06:24.01 | tainted_ | 850 for two PRIs he said |
| 06:24.38 | YoMama | Math`: this is in Detroit |
| 06:24.57 | ikarus | tainted_: virtual PRI's suck, much too unreliable |
| 06:26.02 | tainted_ | ikarus well he offered a SLA if i committed for 2 years |
| 06:26.25 | tainted_ | maybe it was a SLA for 20% uptime 10% of the time |
| 06:26.32 | ikarus | tainted_: the problem is usually with timings of the protocol used on the other end which can either cause frame loss, desync or just high lag |
| 06:27.08 | tainted_ | well i figured he was probably just reselling someone's L3 account |
| 06:27.23 | ikarus | What on earth is an L3 |
| 06:27.30 | tainted_ | Level3 |
| 06:27.30 | Qwell | Level3 |
| 06:27.37 | nick125 | level(3) |
| 06:28.16 | ikarus | ah |
| 06:28.16 | nick125 | lol |
| 06:28.21 | nick125 | we all say it at the same time |
| 06:28.30 | Qwell | You were about 7 seconds late |
| 06:28.51 | nick125 | yeah i know..i had to add the little ( ) touch to it :P |
| 06:29.09 | ikarus | tainted_: anyway, I kicked an major telecom company in the virtual nuts for trying to sell me a virtual E1, that used IP on the otherside |
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| 06:29.38 | ikarus | (versatel, for those who know the eurpean market) |
| 06:29.44 | tainted_ | ah |
| 06:29.50 | tainted_ | voip is shit |
| 06:30.02 | tainted_ | there is no such thing as qos |
| 06:30.09 | ikarus | tainted_: especially if you are expecting a E1 line, yes |
| 06:31.14 | tainted_ | well for the most part virtual PRIs in the US are reliable |
| 06:31.20 | tainted_ | as long as you don't go outside the US |
| 06:31.27 | tainted_ | then it's _SHIT_ |
| 06:32.00 | *** part/#asterisk CoderCR (n=creyna@ip68-6-244-26.sd.sd.cox.net) |
| 06:32.05 | ikarus | tainted_: here telcos can offer real PRI's pretty cheaply, backed at their end unto an ATM network or similair RELIABLE network |
| 06:32.10 | tainted_ | finding good international providers is like looking for an english woman with good teeth |
| 06:32.15 | ikarus | but versatel wanted to save an extra 5 euro |
| 06:32.35 | benjk | I take it for granted that you have been to every single country, every major city and experienced every different provider's offers to be qualified to make such a statement |
| 06:32.41 | ikarus | so they deploy an SDSL modem with a E1 to VoIP provider |
| 06:32.44 | ikarus | erm box |
| 06:32.46 | tainted_ | 5 euro per month? |
| 06:33.05 | ikarus | tainted_: well, maybe a bit more |
| 06:33.09 | ikarus | but it can't be much |
| 06:33.23 | ikarus | as KPN (the former monopoly here) charges only 70 euro more for a real E1 |
| 06:33.36 | tainted_ | benjk most developed countries are fine |
| 06:34.09 | tainted_ | w. europe, parts of asia, au, ca |
| 06:34.18 | nick125 | damnit i cant find the voice t1s on the damn qwest website grr this is getting on my nerves |
| 06:34.18 | benjk | well, you said "... reliable, as long as you don't go outside the US" |
| 06:35.14 | tainted_ | but even to those countries, if it is voip end-to-end, i guarantee the service will be flaky at best |
| 06:35.38 | marcus2 | we just got a pri from mci for about $550/mo |
| 06:35.40 | tainted_ | the quality is just not consistent |
| 06:35.42 | marcus2 | with 450 DIDs |
| 06:35.55 | ikarus | the DID numbers here aren't the big cost |
| 06:35.59 | tainted_ | marcus2 what area code? |
| 06:36.02 | ikarus | luckily |
| 06:36.03 | marcus2 | 831 |
| 06:36.07 | tainted_ | DIDs cost nothing most of the time |
| 06:36.25 | nick125 | marcus2: what location was the line delivered to? |
| 06:36.25 | ikarus | tainted_: here it costs a little, but that is only due to hogging a continous block |
| 06:36.41 | marcus2 | northern cali, near silicon valley |
| 06:36.47 | ikarus | for example 10000 numbers cost I think 300 euro a month |
| 06:37.07 | marcus2 | yeah the DIDs weren't a big deal, they just gave me what i asked for |
| 06:37.11 | tainted_ | that's a big block of DIDs |
| 06:37.13 | nick125 | i wonder if mci would deliver a line here...lol |
| 06:37.14 | marcus2 | i should have asked for more =D |
| 06:37.26 | tainted_ | u probably could have gotten it |
| 06:37.35 | tainted_ | but it's not like they're any use |
| 06:37.50 | tainted_ | their |
| 06:37.51 | marcus2 | eh. at least now i have a home phone number that ends in 00 ;) |
| 06:37.55 | nick125 | marcus2: do you know where mci serves? or least where to find it on their site.. |
| 06:38.11 | marcus2 | nick, no idea |
| 06:38.17 | tainted_ | nick125 what are u trying to do? mabye a PRI isn't what you're looking for |
| 06:38.32 | marcus2 | we called some resellers, played them against each other for a while, and mci is what we ended up with |
| 06:38.36 | marcus2 | $0.022/min outbound |
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| 06:38.45 | YoMama | son of a beyotch |
| 06:38.52 | ikarus | tainted_: 10000 is what a single hospital here use |
| 06:38.53 | tainted_ | outbound to lower 48? |
| 06:38.58 | marcus2 | yeah |
| 06:39.10 | tainted_ | off of one PRI? |
| 06:39.18 | wunderkin | marcus2: i get a lot less than that |
| 06:39.18 | tainted_ | that is a pretty damn good deal |
| 06:39.21 | ikarus | marcus2: that is expensive |
| 06:39.22 | nick125 | tainted_: well, im mainly looking for a way to terminate alot of DIDs and outgoing, thats the basics.. |
| 06:39.22 | wunderkin | even with no min |
| 06:39.34 | ikarus | marcus2: I have seen $0.008 pricings |
| 06:39.38 | marcus2 | yeah, i'm sure |
| 06:39.50 | tainted_ | are u kidding? 0.022/min with only 1 PRI is pretty damn good |
| 06:39.52 | marcus2 | but this was the best deal we ended up with. we were more concerned with the monthly loop cost |
| 06:39.55 | YoMama | ikarus: u talking about VoIP? |
| 06:40.04 | ikarus | YoMama: no, E1 |
| 06:40.07 | ikarus | and the real thing |
| 06:40.12 | marcus2 | the pri involves a 30 mile loop to MCI's facilities |
| 06:40.17 | YoMama | ikarus: that's like wholesale pricing |
| 06:40.18 | ikarus | marcus2: ah, nasty |
| 06:40.33 | marcus2 | we'll be doing a lot more inbound than outbound |
| 06:40.42 | marcus2 | and $0.022/min is pretty decent, anyway |
| 06:40.52 | tainted_ | marcus2 550 including local loop right? |
| 06:40.53 | ikarus | YoMama: it was, it was for multiple E1's to multiple locations and a single bill (and all within 5km of a switch office) |
| 06:41.06 | marcus2 | god knows plenty of voip providers are still charging more than 0.022 |
| 06:41.17 | ikarus | marcus2: hehehe, that is called making a profit |
| 06:41.20 | marcus2 | tainted; about that |
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| 06:41.34 | wunderkin | i get 1.69 on a dedicated ld |
| 06:41.51 | marcus2 | this came with a couple of 0.022/min 800#s too |
| 06:42.02 | tainted_ | are you serious |
| 06:42.07 | Kumbang | guys , any idea how to compile chan_h323 with ooh323c from asterisk-addonns dir |
| 06:42.23 | wunderkin | with no minimum i mean |
| 06:43.01 | marcus2 | i'm finally going to turn this stuff loose on the office next week |
| 06:43.14 | marcus2 | i finally got our asterisk/magix integration stuff figured out |
| 06:43.32 | tainted_ | good luck with the fires |
| 06:43.38 | tainted_ | j/k |
| 06:43.49 | asterboy | damn I love Asterisk. |
| 06:43.55 | asterboy | Record is fantastic. |
| 06:44.43 | asterboy | now next time I'm talking to Google Recruiting...I'll be recording the conversation. :-) |
| 06:44.50 | marcus2 | haha |
| 06:44.55 | marcus2 | what a waste that will be ;) |
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| 06:45.06 | YoMama | and why the hell would u wanna record your conversations? |
| 06:46.08 | Math` | well.. its fun |
| 06:46.18 | wasim | to save on and reuse 1900 calls |
| 06:46.25 | YoMama | hahaha |
| 06:46.35 | benjk | does Zapateller work on VoIP channels or only on Zaptel? |
| 06:46.42 | YoMama | a girl i know is a phone sex operator..she used to le tme listen in |
| 06:46.51 | wasim | whee benjk ... long time no see |
| 06:46.52 | YoMama | none of that shit was a turn on..in fact..most of it would give me nightmares |
| 06:47.00 | ikarus | YoMama: LOL |
| 06:47.05 | benjk | Hi wasim, how are you doing |
| 06:47.12 | asterboy | lol...ya so far its a waste of time. |
| 06:47.16 | wasim | benjk: same old same old |
| 06:47.19 | ikarus | YoMama: imagine being a website developer for a porn company |
| 06:47.23 | ikarus | YoMama: friend of mine did that |
| 06:47.29 | benjk | how's you IAX phone going? |
| 06:47.32 | ikarus | including the gay porn, etc sites |
| 06:47.38 | wasim | benjk: dormant, can't match pa168 pricing |
| 06:47.54 | benjk | what a shame |
| 06:48.08 | wasim | nah, 'tis ok, we learnt a lot |
| 06:48.10 | benjk | can you not redesign and use the PA168 chip? |
| 06:48.16 | asterboy | I just picked up a client who runs an escort service...imagine those calls will be worth listening in on. |
| 06:48.21 | wasim | benjk: but then whats the fun :) |
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| 06:48.34 | YoMama | ikarus: haha..i could only imagine trying to get a job after that one |
| 06:48.44 | benjk | wasim: there's still fun in it |
| 06:48.49 | YoMama | ikarus: "so what sorts of website development projects have you worked on recently?" |
| 06:48.58 | wasim | benjk: only if you want zebra roaming and phs :) |
| 06:48.59 | benjk | adding features, building a great brand |
| 06:49.05 | ikarus | YoMama: he got one easily, he also developed an entire SMS payment system and many other solutions for them |
| 06:49.06 | YoMama | "umm...well, mostly beastiality with video streaming" |
| 06:49.09 | benjk | adding seroconf |
| 06:49.29 | YoMama | ikarus: i know..but is any legit company gonna hire u after you're been peddling smut? |
| 06:49.31 | ikarus | YoMama: and it was the most respected porn online company here |
| 06:49.54 | ikarus | YoMama: he got hired at I think an ISP |
| 06:50.57 | ikarus | YoMama: he is I think somewhere in his 30's, is married and has 2 children |
| 06:51.04 | ikarus | his wife didn't mind either |
| 06:51.49 | harryvv | will time for me to turn in. |
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| 06:52.12 | YoMama | ikarus: eh..well, i'm pretty sure my fiancee would mind if i worked at a porno company |
| 06:52.30 | ikarus | and I must admit, the actual technology to be able to deploy 300 porn sites with payment systems is pretty nifty |
| 06:52.48 | YoMama | oh yeah..porno websites are on the cutting edge of technology |
| 06:53.01 | harryvv | this is not a channel to be dicussing this. |
| 06:53.06 | marcus2 | they have been driving the tech behind the internet for years :) |
| 06:53.18 | benjk | Wasim: if you add Zeroconf to your prototype, I will get you an appointment with Apple in Cupertino |
| 06:53.28 | tainted_ | porn drove vhs over betamax |
| 06:53.35 | YoMama | harryw: probably not..but no one under 18 usually plays with asterisk either so i'm not concerned |
| 06:53.36 | tainted_ | porn drove vcrs |
| 06:53.38 | ikarus | YoMama: porn drives the internet |
| 06:53.50 | ikarus | YoMama: they got their ISP to upgrade their uplinks, etc just for them |
| 06:54.06 | wunderkin | YoMama: file is 16 |
| 06:54.29 | YoMama | harryw: what if we discussed how to set up asterisk to use as a system to run a phone sex place? |
| 06:54.35 | wunderkin | haha |
| 06:55.00 | ikarus | YoMama: I wouldn't be surprised if that hasn't been done |
| 06:55.04 | ikarus | erm |
| 06:55.06 | ikarus | has been done |
| 06:55.21 | YoMama | wunderkin: doh...16? i was too busy chasing cheerleaders and trying to steal playboys outta convenience stores when i was 16 |
| 06:55.55 | ikarus | Asterisk really makes it too easy :P |
| 06:56.34 | YoMama | ikarus: oh yeah...u could set up a porn company no problemo |
| 06:56.38 | YoMama | phone sex shop |
| 06:56.56 | YoMama | and you could do it all virtually... |
| 06:57.09 | *** join/#asterisk chapeaurouge (n=chap@85.201.80.249) |
| 06:57.10 | YoMama | get some VoIP provider to give you an 800# and unlimited registrations |
| 06:57.20 | YoMama | connect to your box.... |
| 06:57.31 | YoMama | for all of your "operators"..u pass out little ATAs that ocnnect up to your box |
| 06:57.40 | ikarus | YoMama: exactly |
| 06:57.50 | YoMama | and slam bam thank you ma'am..but literally and figuratively..u got yousrelf a nice little phone sex operation |
| 06:57.51 | ikarus | and at 75 euro cents per minute |
| 06:58.46 | trixter | why unlimited registrations? you put a lot of trust into the operators to not steal credit info and to make all appropriate disclaimers.. I wouldnt trust them that much |
| 06:59.05 | YoMama | trixster: i'm talking about allowing unlimited inward calling |
| 06:59.16 | trixter | ahh I thought you said registrations not channels |
| 06:59.18 | trixter | my mistake |
| 06:59.24 | YoMama | that's what i said..my mistake |
| 06:59.46 | trixter | I am actually building a pr0n system for someone now.. and we have discussed that at great length |
| 07:00.07 | ikarus | trixter: awww, you get to do all the fun stuff |
| 07:00.31 | trixter | of course we are gonna make the telephony platform far more generic, but we are gonna call the girl on a regular phone, what is a coupel cents max when you are talking about the need for ATAs, bandwidth etc |
| 07:00.40 | YoMama | my friend ran a site for a while..and hired some people to take photos..he found it was easier..and safer to just buy the content |
| 07:00.47 | trixter | they are gonna stream video over the net but their phone call will be from a normal phone to make their lives easier |
| 07:01.13 | YoMama | trixster: if you're gonna do the video...why not do the audio too? |
| 07:01.13 | trixter | 18 USC 2252 has soem stricter requirements now too |
| 07:01.17 | YoMama | you're already 90% of the way there |
| 07:01.26 | trixter | because video is optional |
| 07:01.30 | YoMama | oh |
| 07:01.31 | trixter | part of it being more generic |
| 07:01.43 | trixter | and 'we' arent gonna provide any content |
| 07:01.45 | YoMama | man..asterisk is perfect for that crap...think about it |
| 07:01.48 | trixter | part of the 18 USC 2252 avoidance :P |
| 07:01.56 | YoMama | it's even got all the CDR built in for billing |
| 07:02.53 | benjk | anyway, does anybody know if Zapateller works/makes sense on VoIP channels, or only Zaptel? |
| 07:02.59 | chapeaurouge | can i do SIP with iaxcomm? |
| 07:03.07 | benjk | chap: no |
| 07:03.08 | trixter | we are gonna basically provide a webpage for the girl to advertise anything she wants, although initially all will be phone+video sex, use yahoo, msn, etc for the video stream, we will call the customer and the girl for anonymity, neither has any way of getting any info from the other unless its volunteered. etc |
| 07:03.23 | YoMama | benjk: sure it makes sense if there are telemarketers calling u on your VoIP line |
| 07:03.28 | chapeaurouge | benjk, thx |
| 07:03.53 | benjk | it wouldn't make sense if the codecs mess with the tone sequence though |
| 07:03.58 | trixter | chap: you cna do sip with it if you route through an asterisk box :P |
| 07:04.33 | YoMama | benjk: hmm..never thought of that |
| 07:04.37 | trixter | SIT is fairly simple tones so it shouldnt mess with it that much unless you are using a really high compression (ie very lossy) codec |
| 07:04.56 | YoMama | benjk: if iyou've got AA anyway...it doesn't matter...wardialers don'tn dial extensions |
| 07:05.06 | benjk | like what ? LPC10 ? |
| 07:05.48 | benjk | YoMama: its not for me |
| 07:06.30 | trixter | read an article the other day that becuase so many people are using SIT generating devices (like telezapper) that telemarketers are starting to ignore that |
| 07:07.18 | benjk | I am finishing a GUI front end for a DID service provider which will allow users to have their DIDs configured and there are some caller ID options they can click. One of those would be Zapateller, but if it doesn't make sense, then I wouldn't add it to the options |
| 07:07.26 | trixter | some telemarketers only call out of the national registry (in north america anyway) and there is a push lately to get voip numbers in the registry, so ... |
| 07:07.41 | trixter | some just wardial and dont care, but ... |
| 07:08.49 | trixter | what I dont get is they have a list of people that say specifically they dont want to be called, and the telemarketing associations in america are fighting that saying they have a right to free speech.. the free speech thing states only that the government cant pass a law infringing, it does however allow a private individual to say 'I dont wanna hear you' and the first amendment in the US does not under any circumstances guarantee you a right to be |
| 07:08.49 | trixter | heard |
| 07:09.04 | benjk | well, Zapateller is only one of the options I have put into the menu |
| 07:09.16 | trixter | you would think that they would say 'good we can save time and use less operators thus saving money by not calling people that do not want to be called' |
| 07:09.20 | YoMama | still..no one likes calling an extension |
| 07:09.21 | YoMama | or |
| 07:09.35 | YoMama | i'm sure there's a way to script it so the caller must announce themselves before it rings an extension |
| 07:09.39 | YoMama | telemarketers hate that |
| 07:09.46 | YoMama | they just hang up on it |
| 07:09.59 | YoMama | i had that service on my landline a copule years b ack...never got one telemarkteter |
| 07:10.23 | benjk | YoMama: one of the options is to require the caller to punch in their caller ID if they are not sending it over the line |
| 07:10.33 | YoMama | ah...that's a great idea |
| 07:10.50 | YoMama | i like telemarkters anyway..they're fun to play with |
| 07:11.03 | trixter | http://www.mosaixusergroup.com/avya_SSB116.htm regarding telezapper - which only sends the first of the 3 SIT tones |
| 07:11.12 | YoMama | "Hello. I'm from blah blah blah..." |
| 07:11.24 | YoMama | "Oh. Well, I'm busy right now. Do you mind if I call you back?" |
| 07:11.33 | YoMama | "No...####" |
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| 07:11.51 | YoMama | "Actually, what's your home number? I won't be able to call back until dinner time." |
| 07:12.06 | YoMama | haha...there's just so many ways you can mess with those people...i dunno..i guess i'm bored... |
| 07:12.32 | trixter | a friend got removed from a lot of lists simply becuase he would try to phone sex the caller - which is perfectly legal, they called you so they cant complain about what they heard.. after being fairly graphic (working up ot that) he started getting fewer and fewer calls |
| 07:12.58 | YoMama | yeah..i dunno about the legality of that |
| 07:13.05 | YoMama | if they call you...can they say you harassed them? |
| 07:13.12 | YoMama | regardless of what u say to them? probably not |
| 07:13.21 | YoMama | "What are you wearing?" |
| 07:13.30 | trixter | one time however some girl called about a survey and he kept making references to having sex on/with everything she asked about.. at the end she admitted that it was the most interesting clal she ever had, and he believes that others in the call shop started listening to the call too |
| 07:13.42 | YoMama | hahaha |
| 07:13.47 | trixter | yomamma: no they cant claim harassment for a call they made |
| 07:13.57 | tainted_ | trixter i've got three second-hand PRIs i'll let go for 17$ each.. no lowballing.. cash only - i'm moving |
| 07:13.59 | trixter | they are free to hang up at any time too |
| 07:14.13 | YoMama | trixter: or just say wildly inane things |
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| 07:14.24 | YoMama | "Doh. I think I just crapped my pants. How are you?" |
| 07:14.31 | tainted_ | they're a little worn but easily handles calls like a brand new PRI |
| 07:14.36 | heath__ | so if i'm a travelling salesman and a homeowner stabs me i have no legal recourse? |
| 07:14.56 | tainted_ | heath__ if u haven't noticed yet, trixter is pretty much full of shit |
| 07:15.01 | tainted_ | lol |
| 07:15.14 | YoMama | there are lmiits |
| 07:15.22 | YoMama | u can't threaten anyone |
| 07:15.41 | YoMama | heath: in texas sure |
| 07:15.51 | heath__ | yeah i forgot about texas |
| 07:16.03 | dudes | So you can't goto a bar and start busting people over the heads |
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| 07:16.18 | YoMama | dudes: not unless it's self defense |
| 07:16.34 | dudes | What if they looked at me wrong |
| 07:17.01 | tainted_ | lol |
| 07:17.45 | heath__ | dudes is easily frazzled in the bar |
| 07:17.55 | dudes | Not that I goto the bar for that purpose. |
| 07:19.08 | YoMama | and why do u go to the bar? |
| 07:19.16 | dudes | To get drunk |
| 07:19.36 | dudes | Cause picking up chicks at the local bars is out of the question |
| 07:19.42 | YoMama | dudes: where do u live? |
| 07:19.48 | dudes | Wheaton MN |
| 07:19.58 | asterboy | man once you start to learn asterisk...you really get a feeling for how powerful it really is. |
| 07:19.58 | YoMama | what's the population there...six? |
| 07:20.10 | dudes | more like 1600 |
| 07:20.24 | YoMama | dudes: still...good chance the girl at the bar is somehow related to you |
| 07:20.32 | dudes | No |
| 07:20.41 | dudes | I moved here from Oregon |
| 07:20.45 | asterboy | keep it in the family |
| 07:20.51 | YoMama | haha |
| 07:21.00 | YoMama | dudes: well, still..u go and tap some local hussy...everyone in town will know |
| 07:21.30 | dudes | That's the main reason I don't. And the fact that more of them are 40 year old bar whores /w every know STD |
| 07:21.42 | dudes | err most not more |
| 07:21.44 | YoMama | yummy |
| 07:22.12 | asterboy | what kind of sick God would create a sex organ next to a defecator? |
| 07:22.13 | dudes | In the summer I suppose some of my classmates would be up there ... But I'd only hate fuck them anyway |
| 07:22.15 | trixter | YoMama: not only will everyone know, everyone will comment about the time they tapped her too, especially her brothers |
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| 07:22.40 | dudes | So not really worth the energy |
| 07:22.50 | asterboy | Just make sure you ask her if she wipes front to back. |
| 07:22.57 | YoMama | i dunno..40 year old chicks know what they're doing |
| 07:23.12 | asterboy | Not if they wipe back to front. |
| 07:23.13 | dudes | and people say I'm sick |
| 07:23.20 | asterboy | lol |
| 07:23.22 | high| | my asterisk seem to crash sometimes when i reload (1.2).. |
| 07:23.40 | YoMama | high: stop reloading then |
| 07:23.41 | high| | anybody else experienced the same problem ? |
| 07:23.54 | asterboy | lol stop reloading. |
| 07:24.10 | asterboy | could be many things. |
| 07:24.31 | asterboy | disk space, memory, corruption, reboot does it do the same thing. |
| 07:24.34 | endre | lol |
| 07:24.57 | high| | yes, thats a simple solution, but I may want to change som settings.. |
| 07:25.14 | endre | i dont want to upgrade to 1.2 :) |
| 07:25.23 | endre | System uptime: 2 weeks, 2 days, 4 hours, 42 minutes, 24 seconds |
| 07:25.27 | asterboy | no solutions in my answer...just suspects. |
| 07:25.27 | endre | stable like rock |
| 07:25.35 | endre | nov 05 cvs head |
| 07:25.52 | asterboy | So far I'm impressed with 1.2 |
| 07:26.13 | asterboy | But no doubt some of the more seasoned users are hitting the bugs. |
| 07:26.27 | asterboy | my box has a whopping FXS and FXO port. |
| 07:26.39 | dudes | I like head |
| 07:26.43 | endre | i have some diff's with some i18n on say.c against cvs of nov05 |
| 07:26.46 | YoMama | who doesn't |
| 07:26.54 | dudes | Some like 1.2 ... heh |
| 07:26.56 | asterboy | dudes: that sounds kinda gay? |
| 07:27.00 | high| | I read somewhere that there was a problem with the ooh323 driver that caused that kind of crashes, but I dont load that module.. |
| 07:28.50 | dudes | asterboy - Why would that be gay ... I'm talking about a program |
| 07:29.16 | asterboy | lol...I'm joking around. |
| 07:30.35 | dudes | I know |
| 07:35.14 | asterboy | Is there a way to save ALL versions of a persons rerecorded voicemail messages? |
| 07:35.26 | dudes | in voicemail.conf |
| 07:36.05 | dudes | format=wav49|gsm|wav|wadda|wadda|doo |
| 07:36.10 | trixter | how do you mean save all versions? |
| 07:37.13 | YoMama | goodnight |
| 07:37.15 | *** part/#asterisk YoMama (n=rewt@pcp02689850pcs.roylok01.mi.comcast.net) |
| 07:37.50 | asterboy | Say someone is leaving a message and they choose to rerecord to save a new version...I want ALL versions at the conclusion of the call. |
| 07:39.01 | dudes | that'd probably require you to edit app_voicemail |
| 07:43.28 | asterboy | it would be nice to be able to record with Monitor() and also record the voicemail. |
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| 07:44.58 | dudes | Use the dialplan |
| 07:45.11 | dudes | I'm sure you could if you wanted to do it that way. |
| 07:45.19 | trixter | that would not be nice on a high volume server :P |
| 07:45.48 | dudes | Think of all the telemarketers you could bust |
| 07:47.11 | trixter | what are you gonna bust them on? |
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| 07:49.13 | asterboy | ya that would be harsh on the server...but for a small setup like mine...should be ok. |
| 07:50.28 | asterboy | How do you make a real annoying sound on the line...for telemarketers. |
| 07:50.30 | asterboy | ??? |
| 07:50.37 | trixter | which one? |
| 07:50.56 | asterboy | when they call. |
| 07:51.04 | trixter | you could just use playback or background and do it that way |
| 07:51.18 | trixter | I have no idea what you are talknig about specifically other than its a noise ... |
| 07:51.31 | asterboy | oh ya...now what is the maximum tone you can generate on a phone line? |
| 07:51.51 | trixter | depends, in north america its generally 300-3300 Hz in europe its generally 300-3400Hz |
| 07:52.10 | trixter | however you can mix in sounds that are outside that range, you just cant play a pure tone outside htat range |
| 07:52.11 | asterboy | the loudest most audible pitch will be say 3300? |
| 07:52.41 | asterboy | make it like those annoying car alarms. |
| 07:52.59 | trixter | because of the way frequencies get mixed together you can mix in stuff that is outside that range with noises that are inside that range and they will pass and you can detect the individual frequency components ... |
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| 07:53.05 | asterboy | with a subliminal message to go die. |
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| 07:53.56 | asterboy | trixter: that is very interesting. |
| 07:53.56 | asterboy | almost like a fourier transform |
| 07:54.10 | lme | hi guys ! |
| 07:54.40 | trixter | that is like back in the day (late 90s) to seize chinas C5 trunks you would pass 2600+2400+60Hz then 2400Hz. the 60Hz by itself wont pass but when mixed it can be transmitted |
| 07:54.59 | trixter | and yes you can use a FFT to pick out the individual frequencies that were transmitted.. |
| 07:55.10 | asterboy | that would be an interesting way to pass information without the general public knowing...but someone could be given the key to what frequencies your using. |
| 07:55.21 | trixter | codecs will give you issues with that |
| 07:55.37 | trixter | and potentially jitter will break it depending on whether or not you have a jitter buffer, how good that is, overall network h ealth, etc |
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| 07:56.13 | asterboy | you could mix ecc with it. |
| 07:56.14 | trixter | but if you are doing it on TDM links it shouldnt be that big of a deal |
| 07:56.31 | trixter | ecc is one of the very few algorithms believed to be immune from quantum crypto attacks |
| 07:56.38 | trixter | er quantum computer attacks on crypto |
| 07:56.44 | asterboy | very very interesting...wonder how much that goes on...didn't even realize. |
| 07:57.18 | trixter | how much what goes on? |
| 07:57.22 | Math` | trixter: an algo not vulnerable to quantum computing?!? :D |
| 07:57.32 | Math` | didnt know a such thing existed |
| 07:57.42 | asterboy | mixing |
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| 07:58.07 | asterboy | mixing to pass secret information also. |
| 07:58.08 | trixter | google it, ecc is the only one I read about, but its not proven because no one has a known quantum computer yet |
| 07:58.30 | trixter | in the UK they made 1 bit of quantum memory, but often the leap from 0-1 bit is greater than from 1 bit to 1GB |
| 07:59.05 | asterboy | we truely are on the cusp of something revelutionary. |
| 07:59.25 | trixter | I need to file my patent for time displaced communications |
| 07:59.26 | asterboy | slowing light down and freezing it. |
| 07:59.34 | Math` | http://www.certicom.com/index.php?action=ecc,ecc_algorithms |
| 07:59.42 | asterboy | quantum walki-talki? |
| 07:59.43 | trixter | baiscalyl you can send info back upto the point the device was made, turned on whatever |
| 08:00.43 | trixter | it uses principles that are all proven to work too, so someone sometime will make it but think about this.. 10ms harddrive? attach this inline and remove 10ms of latency, inet connection has a few ms of lag? fix that right up.. talking to the (eventually) colony on mars? why wait for minutes to pass ... |
| 08:01.05 | trixter | although with just quantum entanglement you can have instant communications this could acutally cause stuff to be received before its sent (think stock ticker) |
| 08:01.18 | Math` | yeah but thats a paradox |
| 08:01.32 | trixter | not entirely |
| 08:01.46 | Math` | like... if you see the answer, you won't click search, but if you don't click search, you don't see the answer, so you do |
| 08:01.50 | trixter | one of the great things that einstein added to newtonian physics was frame of reference |
| 08:01.54 | Math` | you need some kind of time correction |
| 08:02.30 | lorinc | Math`: http://tortuga.com/ ... reconsider "time" ... ;) |
| 08:02.32 | trixter | so in effect every observer is unique unto himself and many of the traditional paradoxes go away... |
| 08:03.00 | lorinc | trixter: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solipsism ;) |
| 08:03.08 | trixter | I dont trust wikipedia |
| 08:03.24 | Math` | why not |
| 08:03.29 | lorinc | trixter: http://www.iep.utm.edu/s/solipsis.htm ;) |
| 08:03.32 | Math` | lol |
| 08:03.48 | asterboy | Here is one to mix with Asterisk: http://www.lifetechnology.org/hyperdimensional.htm |
| 08:04.13 | trixter | there was a study done with wikip[edia largely because so many people trust it 100%, and what was done was to feed it with false articles daily for a fixed period of time and see how long it took to correct the obviously bad info |
| 08:04.27 | trixter | at the end of the study the researchers corrected it because no one else did |
| 08:04.45 | asterboy | This was just on Digg.com: http://www.joot.com/dave/writings/articles/entanglement/ |
| 08:04.48 | lorinc | trixter: maybe they put in stuff noone else could maintain? |
| 08:05.08 | lorinc | s/could/would/ too ;) |
| 08:05.09 | trixter | nah they listed the subjects and it was fairly common stuff lemme see if I can find the link |
| 08:05.57 | trixter | it was specifically designed to be common stuff so that a large user base would potentially modify it and correct it. what is not known is why no one did, did no one care did no one know something other than those ... |
| 08:06.16 | lorinc | trixter: and most "info" we use today is still built on lots of "hidden", "untouched" socalled "paradigms"... like the world is flat... as said about 2000 years ago. |
| 08:06.35 | lorinc | trixter: and all these "preconceptions" bias our view on ourselves and our world... |
| 08:07.05 | lorinc | trixter: time, money and many other day-to-day social "rites" form a solid basis for these presumptions above... |
| 08:07.42 | lorinc | trixter: so wikipedia and its "coherence" is another question... its the spirit of cooperation that makes it "unique" in its encyklopedia-kind |
| 08:07.43 | lorinc | ;) |
| 08:08.15 | lorinc | consider a network of asterisk hosts replacing telcos with time... ;) |
| 08:08.23 | lorinc | thats a paradigm shift as well ... |
| 08:08.24 | Math` | lorinc :) |
| 08:08.41 | Math` | and there was SS7, then it was replaced by IAX |
| 08:10.04 | lorinc | or take a look at this software: http://solipsis.netofpeers.net/ ... another paradigm shift... even so built on "traditional" layers... |
| 08:10.49 | Math` | lorinc: you've heard of netsukuku? |
| 08:10.58 | lorinc | not yet? googling... |
| 08:11.30 | Math` | physical p2p net that makes use of the chaos theory |
| 08:11.55 | lorinc | nice :) |
| 08:12.14 | trixter | iax odesn do everythin ss7 enables |
| 08:12.15 | *** join/#asterisk oej (n=Olle@apollo.webway.se) |
| 08:12.28 | lorinc | but hard-wiring is a tedious job when going global ... even wifi based ;) |
| 08:12.34 | trixter | iax for example wont query a lidb database |
| 08:12.34 | kapejod | morn oej |
| 08:12.48 | oej | Morning kapejod! |
| 08:12.48 | Math` | lorinc: yeah but as soon as higher-range wireless protocols are developped... |
| 08:13.00 | trixter | stratellites |
| 08:13.04 | lorinc | Math`: tele-pathy? ;P |
| 08:13.17 | trixter | that would be the best way of delivering.. the UK is planning on putting APs up with weather baloons effectively |
| 08:13.20 | Math` | Thoughts over IP |
| 08:13.27 | Math` | er, IP over Thoughts |
| 08:13.28 | trixter | DNI would be a good start |
| 08:13.36 | trixter | which I want for other reasons |
| 08:13.48 | Math` | dni? |
| 08:13.50 | trixter | DNI would enable mne to have two hands for example |
| 08:13.55 | trixter | direct neural interface |
| 08:13.58 | Math` | oh |
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| 08:14.12 | trixter | proshetic hands right now suck major ass |
| 08:14.17 | lorinc | vive cyberpunk... good ol' 70ties... |
| 08:14.26 | trixter | 2 reasons one the motors that contorl them and 2 the input methods used |
| 08:14.28 | lorinc | and shadowrun ;) |
| 08:14.34 | trixter | myoelectric is the 'best' and its not that good |
| 08:15.04 | lorinc | trixter: there are visually impaired who got wires hooked up on their visual-nerves... allready seeing contours and shapes and some colours... |
| 08:15.16 | Math` | yeah thats awesome |
| 08:15.29 | trixter | even hawking thinks that keyboards and monitors are very low bad rate devices and DNI could help to cause stuff to be transmitted at the speed of thought rather than speed someone types |
| 08:15.38 | trixter | I type about 70wpm I can think much much faster |
| 08:15.44 | Math` | I hope so |
| 08:15.56 | trixter | lorinc: yes and cochlear implants but those and the retinal replacements suck too |
| 08:16.00 | trixter | compared to a real eye or ear that is |
| 08:16.02 | lorinc | trixter: keyboards have been designed to make life more difficult... there has been an "ideal" layout sometime... but since its been degraded... |
| 08:16.19 | Math` | thoughts are transmitted via idea objects before being translated into words, which are then sent thru the "typing" driver of the brain |
| 08:16.20 | trixter | well originally it was to prevent jamming, it was designed to slow people down |
| 08:16.27 | lorinc | trixter: consider the french keyb layout par example... you couldn't type a bit w/o searching for keys... |
| 08:16.43 | Math` | ah the azerty one? |
| 08:16.45 | trixter | well I started using keyboards at 3.5 and they havnet changed much since then |
| 08:17.11 | lorinc | trixter: keyboard layouts are subject to "politics"... a hacker trained on english keyboards will have a more difficult time on french keyboards andthelike... |
| 08:17.18 | trixter | so I tend to not have to search, if I were to use any given keyboard for that period of time (about 30 years) I wouldnt have to search ... but if I were to change from a US to a UK keyboard even then I have to search a little and its the special chars that I have to look for |
| 08:17.29 | trixter | hash gets replaced by pound and other stuff |
| 08:17.44 | trixter | square brackets are different.. why when I was in scotland I insisted on using my laptop with a US keyboard :P |
| 08:18.06 | lorinc | trixter: and of course, in the "babel"ic world... consider languages as yet another "communication-barrier"... |
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| 08:18.35 | lorinc | trixter: http://lojban.org/ ... an artificial, logical, spoken language... even computers could understand... ;) |
| 08:18.37 | trixter | DNI also allows for stuff liek the matrix where you could define a world and basically whomever owns the server you feed into is god |
| 08:19.30 | trixter | they are already growing neurons on silicon which is a first step but they have a long way to go ... |
| 08:19.36 | trixter | imagine viruses in a time after DNI |
| 08:19.46 | trixter | the jaegermeister wetware virus is bad enough ... |
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| 08:20.27 | lorinc | trixter: today its the "scarcity" virus in our brains, that now drives me out in the cold to do some work... |
| 08:20.37 | lorinc | http://thetransitioner.org/ ;) |
| 08:20.50 | asterboy | parametric down-conversion |
| 08:21.06 | trixter | I want either windows to get a good posix interface (interix sucks, maybe vista wil lhave a real one) and mac interface, or os X to have a windows server (mach speak for a server process) or something |
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| 08:22.54 | _Lyfe_ | i think it's more likely that the latter will happen.. windows adopt a standard like posix without butchering it? yeah, right. :P |
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| 08:23.21 | benjk | nah, Apple should release Yellow Box |
| 08:23.23 | trixter | well MS bought a commercial posix subsystem, made some improvements then made it free then abandoned it |
| 08:23.27 | benjk | for Windows |
| 08:23.59 | trixter | rumors were that vista might have a real posix subsystem, which would be great, similar to the bsd parts of darwin in os X |
| 08:24.30 | trixter | and interix used openbsd binaries so they were actually compatible usage-wise |
| 08:24.43 | trixter | pkgsrc.org even has premade interix binaries |
| 08:24.47 | benjk | I don't believe that for a moment |
| 08:26.04 | trixter | dont believe what specifically? |
| 08:26.36 | benjk | That MS will go for a POSIX subsystem |
| 08:26.43 | trixter | they already have one for free |
| 08:26.43 | MikeJ[Laptop] | microsofts position on posix support is that they will be trying to integrate it into the operating system better, that is why they are backing off on interix |
| 08:26.59 | MikeJ[Laptop] | they didn't fire all the guys working on interix |
| 08:27.09 | benjk | Maybe something like VMS' POSIX support |
| 08:27.11 | MikeJ[Laptop] | they are building posix stuff right into it all |
| 08:27.13 | benjk | bolted on |
| 08:27.18 | benjk | but not native |
| 08:27.34 | trixter | interix is fairly native, there is a bit of overhead but ... |
| 08:27.53 | MikeJ[Laptop] | no, there hopes are native, so like cygwin, but integtated at a lower level, right into the core |
| 08:28.02 | trixter | its not a sandbox like cygwin, its not a virtual machine like vmware its not an emulator like bochs, its part of the system, but interix has some major problems why I cant use it |
| 08:28.17 | MikeJ[Laptop] | interix is a totally diff subsystem, and therefor you could not do stuff that crossed the boundries |
| 08:28.21 | benjk | Besides Windows is a very badly done VNS clone, so their POSIX support might as well turn out to be a badly done VMS POSIX support clone |
| 08:28.33 | trixter | you can do IPC between interix apps and windows apps |
| 08:28.44 | MikeJ[Laptop] | well... it would be stuff from interix ported over |
| 08:28.49 | Math` | wtf is interix |
| 08:28.57 | trixter | interix is the free posix subsystem for windows |
| 08:29.13 | MikeJ[Laptop] | for example, I would bet that there would be native pthreads support as a normal supported api |
| 08:29.15 | Math` | maintained by ms? |
| 08:29.18 | MikeJ[Laptop] | yes |
| 08:29.22 | trixter | part of 'srvices for unix' - although services for unix (www.microsoft.com/products/sfu iirc) has extras like the ability to print to BSD printers and mount NFS shares |
| 08:29.26 | Math` | ah that |
| 08:29.28 | benjk | in any event, nothing coming out of Microsoft has ever been any good |
| 08:29.51 | heath__ | except minesweeper |
| 08:29.54 | Math` | lol |
| 08:29.55 | trixter | I enjoy cheaper hardware if computers werent so easy to use they wouldnt be so cheap because fewer people would buy them |
| 08:29.59 | MikeJ[Laptop] | the interix stuff is not bad, they built a full posix subsystem.. |
| 08:30.01 | benjk | so Vista will be no exception |
| 08:30.03 | MikeJ[Laptop] | but it's not what I need |
| 08:30.06 | Math` | benjk: hmm C# and the .net framework are pretty good, tho they are highly inspired of java |
| 08:30.06 | heath__ | minesweeper kicks ass |
| 08:30.14 | trixter | I see that as a good thing that came out of MS, they did enable more people to more easily use computers and create more of a demand for the hardware |
| 08:30.19 | MikeJ[Laptop] | I need standar c and posix API's that I can use and compile from MSVC |
| 08:30.46 | trixter | mike: it has some MAJOR problems though.. why a lot of the libs wont even compile right :( duh@tv.org is the pkgsrc maintainer for pkgsrc interix binaries |
| 08:30.48 | MikeJ[Laptop] | would make it much easier to have cross platform software |
| 08:31.10 | benjk | Math: compared to OpenStep and Cocoa, it's a pile of dog droppings |
| 08:31.28 | trixter | I dunno cocoa apps wont run on my box :P |
| 08:31.41 | trixter | so I can argue that cocoa is a pile of dog droppings merely because it fails to execute |
| 08:31.42 | trixter | :P |
| 08:31.43 | MikeJ[Laptop] | trixter, understood.. but getting pieces of it in a bit at a time would be fine.. hell.. they could just take chunks of one of the bsd's and glue them on for all I care |
| 08:32.02 | benjk | Well, you could get OpenStep apps going |
| 08:32.16 | trixter | I want a system that has posix (2.x prefered) windows and mac all in one |
| 08:32.26 | benjk | Math was talking about .NET |
| 08:32.30 | benjk | as a framework |
| 08:32.31 | trixter | whomever does that would prolly take over the market, simply becuase it gives the users more choices |
| 08:32.51 | MikeJ[Laptop] | like I said.. Microsoft will realize that... |
| 08:32.55 | benjk | I say .NET is a pile opf dog droppings when compared to other frameworks such as OpenStep/Cocoa |
| 08:32.58 | trixter | apple might as well |
| 08:33.10 | trixter | based on certain patent filings apple recently did its speculated that they may be working on it |
| 08:33.11 | MikeJ[Laptop] | why give up on windows when you can run all this other software on it |
| 08:33.25 | benjk | Apple have Cocoa for WIndows |
| 08:33.33 | benjk | its called the Yellow Box |
| 08:33.45 | trixter | and with mach its not that hard to write a new server for something else.. the harder part would be getting the libraries 100% compatible so that you really can install without having a seperate windows license |
| 08:33.45 | benjk | they simply didnt; release it |
| 08:34.25 | benjk | they may still release it after they got a foothold in the x86 market |
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| 08:34.44 | benjk | then you'll be able to execute Cocoa apps on Windows via Yellow Box |
| 08:35.05 | trixter | well I want to be able to get virtually any software from virtually any vendor and run it native, with full hardware support and fulll IPC regardless of what the program initially was |
| 08:35.33 | trixter | that I think is asking for a bit too much |
| 08:35.55 | benjk | I would exclude software written in RealBasic though |
| 08:35.57 | trixter | now if reactos ever gets going it could be modified once enough framework is done to be a server in mach and thus have os X appeal |
| 08:36.10 | benjk | it's a blessing if you can't run that ;-) |
| 08:36.33 | trixter | I just dont like limitations on my ability to do something.. I want the freedom to do whatever I want |
| 08:36.51 | trixter | not the gpl kinda quasi-freedom but real freedom to do what I want :) |
| 08:37.01 | trixter | oh I wonder if asterisk is ever gonna be gpl compliant |
| 08:37.13 | trixter | havent checked out 1.2 yet, but 1.0 isnt |
| 08:37.33 | benjk | thats not possible in a world with a predatory criminal organisation that dominates 95% of the desktop market |
| 08:37.54 | benjk | smaller vendors have to protect themsleves against that |
| 08:38.03 | benjk | which leads to limitations |
| 08:38.13 | MikeJ[Laptop] | trixter, what specifically in regards to GPL? |
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| 08:39.10 | asterboy | Is there a better example page on setting up VoiceMail? |
| 08:39.55 | soundguy | Is someone here able to help me with setting up my 1720 and WIC-1ADSL. I have done the config but it does not seem to work. show run @ http://pastebin.ca/29927 , show int @ http://pastebin.ca/29914 |
| 08:40.18 | asterboy | The wiki is missing a more in depth explanation |
| 08:40.21 | trixter | you have to print that no warantee is implied blah blah blah and that its gpl software anywhere you print a copyright |
| 08:40.28 | MikeJ[Laptop] | is this #cisco? |
| 08:40.31 | trixter | asterisk -r has a copyright printed but it doesnt state anything about the gpl |
| 08:40.39 | soundguy | oh, sorry - wrong window, haha |
| 08:40.49 | MikeJ[Laptop] | trixter, honestly, who cares |
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| 08:41.15 | trixter | gpl section 1 |
| 08:41.21 | MikeJ[Laptop] | blah.. whatever |
| 08:41.32 | trixter | well if software writers are allowed to violate the gpl and no one cares I guess its ok for commercial interests to violate the same agreement |
| 08:41.34 | trixter | so who cares |
| 08:42.18 | MikeJ[Laptop] | that's just silly.. think about it.. they have software, they release it with a license... they say all over the place what license it is under.... |
| 08:42.26 | benjk | trixter: wrong channel for such comments ;-) |
| 08:42.27 | trixter | that is like the patch file against hte intel ipp stuff for g.729 and all.. it requires non-compatible gpl code to work and as such cant be gpled, but it is... in effect they lose a lot of their claims against someone if they dont follow the gpl |
| 08:42.31 | MikeJ[Laptop] | so they don't say it in some specific place... |
| 08:42.58 | trixter | it may be silly (personally I think most of the gpl is silly and designed to restrict freedoms) but it still is there none the less |
| 08:43.06 | MikeJ[Laptop] | end users can link whatever the hell they want to gpl code for personal use |
| 08:43.40 | MikeJ[Laptop] | I can write a whole book of code that I don't license at all, link it to gpl stuff, and never release it... |
| 08:44.02 | trixter | yup, the gpl only covers stuf that is released, however asterisk is released |
| 08:44.07 | MikeJ[Laptop] | who has a claim if I download the intel ipp stuff and personally use it with asterisk |
| 08:44.10 | trixter | so it should be compliant with hte license they selected |
| 08:44.24 | trixter | its not the ipp stuff where the claim is its the patch file |
| 08:44.41 | MikeJ[Laptop] | ok.. but back to your argument about the intel stuff, who is there any issue there any ways |
| 08:44.54 | trixter | which while copyrighted there is no valid license becuase it vioaltes both the intent and wording of the gpl |
| 08:45.19 | MikeJ[Laptop] | so the patch file claims to be gpl? |
| 08:45.24 | implicit | :) |
| 08:45.41 | trixter | so in effect the patch file is not really licensed under the gpl, even though it is copyrighted |
| 08:45.45 | trixter | yes |
| 08:46.07 | trixter | the patch file to make g.729 asterisk modules (and one other g.726?) out of the ipp code is GPLed invalidly |
| 08:46.12 | MikeJ[Laptop] | trixter, yes, that patch file is not really licensed under the gpl.. even if they want it to be |
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| 08:46.22 | MikeJ[Laptop] | SO? |
| 08:46.48 | trixter | to restate since you appear to be ignoring that part of it... if the people that release under the gpl dont follow the gpl why should anyone else? |
| 08:46.53 | MikeJ[Laptop] | all that patch file is is a shady excuse to break somones patent anyways |
| 08:47.08 | trixter | a patent that may not be valid in some jurisdictions anyway |
| 08:47.20 | implicit | MikeJ[Laptop], so you respect software patents? |
| 08:47.24 | trixter | and technically the patent is licensed on its use not its implementation |
| 08:47.31 | MikeJ[Laptop] | trixter, and the license agreement for the intel ipp code |
| 08:47.34 | trixter | why intel can give away g.729 code in the IPP stuff without paying royalties |
| 08:47.53 | MikeJ[Laptop] | no, I think software patents are shit.. but g729 is not a software patent... it is for the algorithm... |
| 08:47.56 | trixter | they dont break the license agreement on the IPP stuff because its free for personal use paid for redistribution rights |
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| 08:48.06 | trixter | as long as you dont redistribute any IPP derrived work you dont violate that license |
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| 08:48.18 | trixter | algorithms arent patentable everywhere |
| 08:48.31 | MikeJ[Laptop] | blah.. whatever... |
| 08:48.38 | trixter | some places restrict patents to only physical goods, and then the specific physical good that was applied for |
| 08:49.00 | MikeJ[Laptop] | the gpl is a joke anyways... it is so insecure that it needs to make sure none of the big bad comapnies can use it for anything.. |
| 08:49.29 | trixter | the gpl has also never been upheld in any court as valid, and given the state of shrinkwrap licenses on stuff like adware/spyware odds are the laws on shrinkwrap liceses will change |
| 08:49.39 | benjk | trixter: not so |
| 08:49.43 | MikeJ[Laptop] | and because of that, license crazieness.. we have mpl, bsd, apache, vovida.... may I go on |
| 08:49.55 | benjk | it was upheld in a German court earlier this year or last year |
| 08:50.43 | MikeJ[Laptop] | ok.. done with my vbscript for the night ;) |
| 08:50.47 | trixter | well what I dont like about the GPL is that it places restrictions on *my* code not the original authors. The claim is to ensure the code is always free to modify blah blah blah, but that is the original authors code, which will always be that way regardless of whether or not I modify it and then do something else with it.. the difference between the original code and my version is *my* code, which I lose the freedom to choose how I license that |
| 08:50.56 | smurf | besides, the gpl is in no way a shrinkwrap license |
| 08:51.04 | trixter | benjk: link please? |
| 08:51.10 | smurf | trixter: 500 character limit on freenode |
| 08:51.21 | trixter | it is a shrinkwrap license becuase nothing is signed its part of the package |
| 08:51.32 | trixter | well 500 is just too small |
| 08:51.36 | trixter | efnet is better :P |
| 08:51.48 | trixter | what was the last part of what I typed? |
| 08:51.49 | smurf | if YOU use GPL code then YOU accept the limits. If not, use something else *shug* |
| 08:51.52 | smurf | shrug |
| 08:51.56 | benjk | trixter: search for it on The Register, they covered this case quite extensively |
| 08:52.01 | trixter | that is the definition of a shrinkwrap license |
| 08:52.19 | smurf | trixter: ... how I license that |
| 08:53.23 | benjk | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=German+court+GPL&btnG=Google+Search |
| 08:53.25 | smurf | trixter: a shrinkwrap license limits what you can do after the fact, or tries to. The GPL doesn't limit anything, it gives you rights you wouldn't have otherwise |
| 08:53.53 | smurf | do't complain here that these rights are fewer than you'd like |
| 08:54.32 | trixter | it was an injunction over iptables that I found.. that isnt the same as saying its valid |
| 08:54.57 | trixter | the gpl specifically limits what I can do once I get gpl stuff |
| 08:55.01 | benjk | trixter: I agree with your notion that the ideal license would be one that guarantees the original code to always be shared and modifiable but contributors can elect not to have their own code fall under the same |
| 08:55.14 | wasim | 1 down ... 19 to go |
| 08:55.16 | trixter | benjk: sounds like the BSD license :P |
| 08:55.26 | smurf | trixter: please tell me which right the GPL takes away from you |
| 08:55.34 | benjk | the trouble with that is that programmers write software like they did in the 1950s |
| 08:55.38 | benjk | all spaghetti |
| 08:55.43 | smurf | trixter: AFAIK there are none |
| 08:55.54 | trixter | I can get gpl stuff and release binary only commercial versions? |
| 08:55.59 | implicit | benjk, i don't think it's fair to compare it to the 1950s :) |
| 08:55.59 | trixter | or am I limited in what I can do? |
| 08:56.04 | benjk | nobody really uses libraries other then libraries from somebody else |
| 08:56.11 | smurf | trixter: without the GPL you would not be able to release ANYTHING |
| 08:56.19 | benjk | Look at Asterisk |
| 08:56.23 | trixter | that doesnt mean that it doesnt place limits on what you can do |
| 08:56.26 | benjk | It;s a stinking pile of garbage |
| 08:56.26 | implicit | benjk, on the other hand look at SER |
| 08:56.29 | trixter | yes look at the gpl violator asterisk |
| 08:56.33 | implicit | benjk, it's extremely modular |
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| 08:56.40 | implicit | benjk, clean, efficient |
| 08:56.40 | benjk | I mean the Asterisk CODE |
| 08:56.45 | trixter | heh |
| 08:56.46 | implicit | benjk, and I mean the SER Code |
| 08:56.55 | puzzled | orning |
| 08:56.57 | puzzled | morning even |
| 08:56.59 | MikeJ[Laptop] | trixter, you can relase binary only versions of any code you write.. I'm missing how the gpl limis you too |
| 08:56.59 | benjk | its a horrible piece of gordian knots |
| 08:57.00 | implicit | benjk, is the * source the only code you've read? |
| 08:57.15 | smurf | trixter: if you have the copyright, you can do whatever you like in addition to what the GPL says. That's not a violation. |
| 08:57.18 | benjk | no |
| 08:57.27 | trixter | if I use a gpl product or according to the gpl.org faq link to a gpl product I have to release my code as gpl |
| 08:57.28 | MikeJ[Laptop] | YES! |
| 08:57.33 | benjk | that's why I say most programmer are still stuck in the 1950s |
| 08:57.38 | implicit | benjk, you are taking a single example of unorganized software and saying generalizing it to most programmers |
| 08:57.43 | MikeJ[Laptop] | trixter, no.. only if you release the code... |
| 08:57.45 | implicit | benjk, there are many examples of good code as well |
| 08:57.54 | benjk | most open source code is non-modular |
| 08:57.55 | trixter | ok so its a limitation |
| 08:57.58 | trixter | thus it limits me |
| 08:58.03 | MikeJ[Laptop] | if you are linking to gpl code, it just needs to be released in a gpl compatible license |
| 08:58.03 | trixter | thus everything I have been saying is now proven |
| 08:58.08 | implicit | benjk, in the 1950's you'd be hard pressed to find ANYTHING modular |
| 08:58.09 | trixter | thank you for agreeing that the gpl limits what you can do |
| 08:58.17 | trixter | yes that is a limitation |
| 08:58.17 | benjk | most of it looks like it could have been written in BASIC, 1960s BASIC that is |
| 08:58.29 | MikeJ[Laptop] | well.. no, you can relase your own code in whatever license you want actually |
| 08:58.35 | trixter | gah why is that so hard to undertand that when you have only a select set of options its a limitation |
| 08:58.38 | smurf | trixter: in the privacy of your own home you can do whatever you want with GPL'd code as long as you don't give or sell it to anybody. |
| 08:58.39 | trixter | its not true freedom |
| 08:58.40 | implicit | benjk, largest and most sucessful OS projects are all modular and utilize software engineering techniques |
| 08:58.54 | MikeJ[Laptop] | you just cant release binaries of other peoples code that is released under the gpl |
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| 08:59.07 | trixter | that doesnt take away from the LIMITATION yes lack of freedom as in you cant do whatever you want you have limits |
| 08:59.07 | benjk | if you call #includes modular, well perhaps |
| 08:59.18 | implicit | benjk, Linux kernel, huge project |
| 08:59.22 | trixter | this isnt hard |
| 08:59.25 | MikeJ[Laptop] | trixter, nope.. still not seing any limit on you... |
| 08:59.26 | smurf | trixter: it's a limitation compared to the MIT license, sure -- but not compared to not having a license at all |
| 08:59.36 | trixter | if you are restricted from doing something its a limitation, that is fairly simple and straight forward |
| 08:59.47 | trixter | so I can take gpl code compile it and sell binary only releases |
| 08:59.49 | trixter | I see |
| 08:59.50 | MikeJ[Laptop] | other than you can't do whatever the hell you want with other peoples stuff.. only what they say you can |
| 08:59.51 | trixter | no limitations |
| 08:59.57 | trixter | I dont think that is the case however |
| 09:00.02 | MikeJ[Laptop] | no.. that is not a limitation on you... |
| 09:00.03 | trixter | becuase there is a limitation on what I can do |
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| 09:00.16 | trixter | further *MY* code if released has to be under a gpl compatible license, another limitation |
| 09:00.19 | MikeJ[Laptop] | limitation on what you can do with other peoples code.. yes |
| 09:00.26 | trixter | that is very much a specific limitation on me and what I can do |
| 09:00.28 | asterboy | night all...nice chattin with ya. |
| 09:00.38 | MikeJ[Laptop] | trixter, no, your code DOES NOT have to be under any specific license |
| 09:00.41 | implicit | asterboy, goodnight |
| 09:00.47 | benjk | ideally an applications should consist of a dozen lines of code and the rest should all be modules which are actually modules in the sense that they are data capsules |
| 09:00.59 | MikeJ[Laptop] | if it contains other peoples code, that code must remain gpl |
| 09:01.19 | MikeJ[Laptop] | but you can release your code under the screw you, you can't use this license if you want... |
| 09:01.23 | trixter | lets say that I take a GPL ls program and work that into a filemanager.. it started as a gpl program and became something much more.. its stil la derritave work, thus bound to the GPL. *ALL* my code if released is also bound to the gpl |
| 09:01.29 | _Lyfe_ | i think maybe you should investigate gpl v3, trixter... it's rather amusing, and i believe takes into consideration the issue you're talking about.. (i'm not very familiar with it, myself.. i just had a short conversation about it with someone, during which i didn't pay much attention) |
| 09:01.37 | trixter | thus that is a limitation on what I can or can not do, I cant release my code how I want |
| 09:02.05 | MikeJ[Laptop] | trixter, you can release your code under whatever you want.. if you stole somone elses stuff, it must still have it's original license |
| 09:02.07 | implicit | trixter, well it's not all you're code |
| 09:02.08 | implicit | that's why |
| 09:02.09 | benjk | not such nonsense as you have with asterisk where you have these idiotic references to other -so called- modules ast_whatever_pvt private data structures and poke around in them directly |
| 09:02.27 | MikeJ[Laptop] | you can release code, and do whatever you want with YOUR code.. |
| 09:02.51 | implicit | benjk, there are many paradigms for programming, and good techniques to use in each |
| 09:02.54 | trixter | I never said it was all my code, but to release that program I have to relase my code a certain way. Which is a limit |
| 09:03.12 | MikeJ[Laptop] | you can release it with a total closed source license if you want.. you just can't release other peoples code under whatever license you want.. becuase it's not yours |
| 09:03.44 | benjk | there is one universal truth and that is the truth of advertising |
| 09:03.44 | trixter | and the stated intent of why that is is false.. it doesnt do anything to protect the original author the gpl serves to limit the ability of subsequent authors |
| 09:03.53 | MikeJ[Laptop] | nope... it is a right to use other peoples code to x extent... |
| 09:03.59 | trixter | thank you |
| 09:03.59 | benjk | in other words, if it is called private it shoudl be provate |
| 09:04.03 | trixter | a limitation on what I can do |
| 09:04.04 | MikeJ[Laptop] | you are being given limited rights |
| 09:04.07 | _Lyfe_ | mikej: however, if the GPL'd code makes up an important functionality of the code I wrote, I need to either GPL my source in order to release binaries (and make my source available as well), or release my sources under a different license and leave people to build their own binaries. |
| 09:04.29 | trixter | bsd however doesnt have that limitation becuase bsd code is better and doesnt need all those extra protections that inferior software needs :P |
| 09:04.29 | benjk | don't lie to your users and developers and pretend that something is what it isn't by making it a misnomer |
| 09:04.30 | *** join/#asterisk starkit (n=th@80.77.139.17) |
| 09:04.48 | _Lyfe_ | eg, I wrote hello world, and the printout function was GPL'd code. :P |
| 09:04.54 | implicit | benjk, I could argue that the imperative style is just one that has been driven forth because of the dominance of von neumann architecture and that the IDEAL way to write code is in a purely functional way with nothing outside of functions |
| 09:04.57 | benjk | asterisk doesn't have any private data structures |
| 09:04.57 | MikeJ[Laptop] | yes, so you are not given as much rights to use other peoples stuff as you want.. you are not being limited, you are not being granted as much rights as you want |
| 09:05.13 | implicit | benjk, but lets cut this philosophical shit, and get to teh fucking point |
| 09:05.17 | benjk | they are called that way but they arent |
| 09:05.23 | implicit | benjk, the point is, you have no idea what is coming out of your mouth |
| 09:05.23 | trixter | I am being limited.. it is a limitation |
| 09:05.28 | benjk | its not academic |
| 09:05.36 | trixter | to say that I have more freedoms than something else, yes that is true that doesnt mean there are no limits however |
| 09:05.44 | trixter | and to try to pretend that is the case is rather foolish |
| 09:05.47 | benjk | it the root cause of the problem |
| 09:05.50 | _Lyfe_ | mikej: the basic concept is that I can't release a binary which uses GPL'd code, and keep my own personal code private. |
| 09:06.00 | MikeJ[Laptop] | trixter, you are not being limited, you didn't have any rights to that code.. then you were given some rights to it.. |
| 09:06.03 | implicit | trixter, i agree that sometimes i fucking hate GPL |
| 09:06.12 | trixter | I am more free in the middle of the ocean than I am in the US which is more fre than say north korea. But that doesnt mean in the middle of the ocean I dont have limits |
| 09:06.14 | implicit | trixter, but I also appreciate the restrictions it puts on others in some situations |
| 09:06.14 | MikeJ[Laptop] | but you are not limited to what you do with your stuff... |
| 09:06.27 | MikeJ[Laptop] | that being said.. I think the gpl sucks... |
| 09:06.28 | trixter | *SOME* rights thus there are some that I dont have thus there are limits on what I can do |
| 09:06.31 | trixter | thus a limitation exists |
| 09:06.36 | trixter | why is that so hard for you to understand? |
| 09:06.39 | implicit | trixter, still, with my own code and intellectual property, i can even dual licence code if i want |
| 09:06.44 | MikeJ[Laptop] | not on what you can do with your stuff.. |
| 09:06.55 | MikeJ[Laptop] | there is a limitation on what you can do with other peoples stuff... |
| 09:07.00 | benjk | if applications would be organised in true modules (== data capsules) then contributors could choose to modify the code where ... |
| 09:07.07 | starkit | I need some advice to secure the dialplan in my asterisk. SIP clients that are not registred are able to place calls? How can I deny this? |
| 09:07.07 | MikeJ[Laptop] | for example.. you can't have my car... you are limited, yes... |
| 09:07.12 | benjk | 1) the original code remains under GPL |
| 09:07.18 | trixter | there is a limit on what I can do with my stuff, take a gpl library, I cant link to it without releasing my code under a compatible license (note I said gpl not lgpl and I said release) |
| 09:07.18 | implicit | trixter, even if GPL was changed, someone could make their own license, with it's own restrictions |
| 09:07.25 | MikeJ[Laptop] | you can take my money... you are limited.. |
| 09:07.28 | MikeJ[Laptop] | same thing |
| 09:07.36 | implicit | trixter, you can not control how people choose to release their own source code to you |
| 09:07.37 | benjk | 2) their own contribution (the added library) doesn't need to be GPL |
| 09:07.44 | MikeJ[Laptop] | can't take my money that is |
| 09:08.03 | implicit | benjk, hence the use for LGPL in some situations like GLIBC |
| 09:08.06 | trixter | I never said that I could ocntrol other peoples choices, nor did I say I wanted to, I am arguing that the gpl has limits on what you can do |
| 09:08.10 | trixter | and people are claiming that it doesnt |
| 09:08.12 | trixter | which is false |
| 09:08.17 | benjk | in SOME situations |
| 09:08.18 | trixter | because even they admit there are limits |
| 09:08.24 | benjk | you just prove my point |
| 09:08.31 | implicit | benjk, yep ;) |
| 09:08.33 | trixter | and right after they say 'yes you are limited thus the gpl has limits you dont have limits' |
| 09:08.35 | implicit | benjk, we agree for once :) |
| 09:08.35 | trixter | which makes no sense |
| 09:08.37 | MikeJ[Laptop] | but you were saying it limits what you can do with your stuff, and that is incorrect |
| 09:08.45 | benjk | most of the time you cant use the approach because most of the code is not modular |
| 09:08.45 | starkit | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:08.54 | implicit | benjk, hahahaha, back into that |
| 09:08.58 | _Lyfe_ | the people who claim that the GPL doesn't limit things haven't read it (and don't understand why the GPL exists, then) |
| 09:09.01 | implicit | benjk, ;) |
| 09:09.06 | trixter | there are specific limitations when using the gpl and those limits do not protect the original author in as much as they provide restrictions to subsequent developers |
| 09:09.32 | trixter | the original code would always be free from the original author |
| 09:09.39 | implicit | benjk, the protection and restriction taht the author decides on is based on the license he chooses |
| 09:09.40 | MikeJ[Laptop] | so how does the gpl limit what you do with your code |
| 09:09.46 | implicit | he can write his own license if he wants |
| 09:09.51 | implicit | if you change the GPL |
| 09:09.56 | implicit | people don't have to use that new GPL |
| 09:09.59 | benjk | implicit: plus, as an added benefit, if modularity was followed as a design goal, we'd get better software and fewer bugs too |
| 09:10.01 | implicit | they can write their own, |
| 09:10.08 | implicit | benjk, i don't disagree |
| 09:10.11 | trixter | it does limit what I can do with my stuff.. look at this specific example for at least the 3rd time.. I take a gpl library, I link to it and only link to it. My code must be under a compatible license to be released becuase I link to a gpl binary |
| 09:10.13 | implicit | benjk, asterisk codebase is a piece of shit |
| 09:10.16 | trixter | er library |
| 09:10.24 | implicit | benjk, you should feel sorry for me, i know it |
| 09:10.29 | implicit | benjk, i've read it |
| 09:10.33 | implicit | benjk, i've suffered through it |
| 09:10.34 | trixter | that is a limitation on what I can do with my code, I *MUST* release *MY* code under a gpl compatible license |
| 09:10.42 | benjk | implict: agree |
| 09:10.47 | starkit | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:10.48 | MikeJ[Laptop] | trixter, but you can relase your code in whatever you want... |
| 09:10.54 | trixter | no I cant |
| 09:11.00 | trixter | I have to select a gpl compativle license |
| 09:11.04 | MikeJ[Laptop] | you just won't be able to use somone elses stuff |
| 09:11.08 | implicit | trixter, if you rewrite the portion that was GPL before yourself, you can license it however you'd like |
| 09:11.09 | trixter | which means I cant do 'whatever I want' I am limited in my choices |
| 09:11.16 | implicit | OR |
| 09:11.17 | trixter | not if you read my example |
| 09:11.18 | MikeJ[Laptop] | you don't have to select a gpl license |
| 09:11.21 | implicit | you can write a compatbility layer |
| 09:11.23 | trixter | and stop ignoring it and trying to pretend I didnt say it |
| 09:11.24 | implicit | like an API |
| 09:11.26 | MikeJ[Laptop] | you can do whatever you want with your code.. |
| 09:11.27 | implicit | for the other portion |
| 09:11.29 | _Lyfe_ | starkit: i'm not sure, myself.. i just started looking on http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/index.php?page=Asterisk+config+sip.conf .. you might be able to find something from there faster than me. |
| 09:11.29 | implicit | dual license the API |
| 09:11.31 | trixter | I have to select a gpl compatible license |
| 09:11.32 | trixter | period |
| 09:11.33 | MikeJ[Laptop] | no.. I hear what you are saying.. |
| 09:11.34 | implicit | and write your application under the new portion |
| 09:11.38 | trixter | no you dont |
| 09:11.40 | implicit | and indirectly link to the code |
| 09:11.43 | MikeJ[Laptop] | you can do whatever you want with your code... |
| 09:11.44 | implicit | without selecting GPL license |
| 09:11.49 | trixter | becuase you keep omiting parts of what I said to make some point that is not what I am talking about |
| 09:12.03 | MikeJ[Laptop] | you just can't use other peoples stuff if it is not gpl compat |
| 09:12.08 | benjk | that's why Digium didn't like chan_woomera |
| 09:12.33 | implicit | TRIXTER, if you really need to use GPL code and link to it and don't want to release your own code do this: write an interface to the code and dual license it as GPL and your own personal license, and then link your code to the interface layer |
| 09:12.36 | MikeJ[Laptop] | you are saying that you are limited in what you have to do... |
| 09:12.39 | benjk | it cuts the GPL lock on channel drivers |
| 09:12.47 | MikeJ[Laptop] | and I am saying you don't HAVE to use anything gpl... |
| 09:13.04 | trixter | if I link to a gpl library and release my code I must select a gpl compatible license for my code. period. for proof http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#LinkingWithGPL |
| 09:13.15 | implicit | trixter, but dual-licensing is possible |
| 09:13.21 | trixter | thus its a very specific limitation that can very specifically be identified in a very specific situation, thus there are limits |
| 09:13.23 | implicit | trixter, dual license that code that you link with |
| 09:13.24 | MikeJ[Laptop] | you can't release a binary containing gpl code |
| 09:13.29 | trixter | to say there are none is a lie or out of pure ignorance |
| 09:13.33 | implicit | and then write your own software seperately |
| 09:13.40 | implicit | and then release the source to the original GPL code |
| 09:13.41 | trixter | to argue with it now that I gave you a gnu.org link to the gpl faq is foolish |
| 09:13.43 | implicit | and to your interface layer |
| 09:13.50 | implicit | not the part of the code that contains your intellectual property |
| 09:13.53 | trixter | it doesnt conmtain gpl code it only links to gpl code |
| 09:13.59 | Kumbang | guys, what do you prefer for connecting * to h323 network, chan_h323, chan_oh323 or chan_ooh323 |
| 09:14.01 | trixter | read the faq entry I pasted |
| 09:14.04 | benjk | you can release a binary that has GPL code in it |
| 09:14.12 | benjk | no problem with that |
| 09:14.15 | MikeJ[Laptop] | you can however release your code, that is designed to link to a gpl library with a license that says NO ONE CAN EVER USE THIS CODE, which is clearly not gpl compat, and no one will have a claim against you |
| 09:14.24 | trixter | You have a GPL'ed program that I'd like to link with my code to build a proprietary program. Does the fact that I link with your program mean I have to GPL my program? |
| 09:14.24 | trixter | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:14.30 | MikeJ[Laptop] | you have not broken the hpl |
| 09:14.30 | trixter | that is a limitation |
| 09:14.38 | implicit | not if you dual-license the interface layer trixter |
| 09:14.44 | implicit | and indirectly link it |
| 09:14.48 | implicit | if you directly link it, yes |
| 09:14.51 | implicit | but there are ways around it |
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| 09:15.05 | enzo | hi |
| 09:15.10 | trixter | that is not the same as saying there are no limitations |
| 09:15.12 | trixter | of which there are |
| 09:15.16 | implicit | trixter, of course there are! |
| 09:15.17 | trixter | and I cited that specific one as an example |
| 09:15.18 | _Lyfe_ | implicit: that sounds like quite a bit of work. :P |
| 09:15.23 | trixter | gah |
| 09:15.26 | trixter | ahhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 09:15.27 | implicit | _Lyfe_, depends on the situation |
| 09:15.31 | implicit | _Lyfe_, but that's not the point |
| 09:15.34 | benjk | It may however not be in the best interest of producting the best architecure to work around it ;-) |
| 09:15.39 | implicit | _Lyfe_, writing good softare is also a lot of work :) |
| 09:15.40 | MikeJ[Laptop] | there are no limitations on what you do with your code.. it is a limitation on what you do with other peoples code.. that is what you are missing |
| 09:15.43 | trixter | at least I got one to admit there are limitations |
| 09:15.48 | enzo | i've a question, i use asterisk for a long time now, when i've installed it, i didn't succeed in adding fax support, is it possible now easily on debian ? |
| 09:15.55 | trixter | now for the other 3 that believe that gpl.org lies |
| 09:16.06 | MikeJ[Laptop] | nope.. |
| 09:16.38 | implicit | trixter, GPL is not supposed to protect the original author as much as release and infect other code into being free and open source |
| 09:16.38 | trixter | I quoted gnu.org's faq on the gpl, I gave a link to the section, it says the same thing I have been saying, and there is a limitation.. what more do you want? |
| 09:16.49 | MikeJ[Laptop] | you must release your code in gpl compat license in order to link to gpl libraries does not in any way shape or form mean that you have to release your code in GPL. |
| 09:16.51 | implicit | trixter, but it still allows for ways to get around it |
| 09:17.01 | trixter | implicit: yes that is my point that clause doesnt protect the original author in as much as it restricts the freedoms of subsequent authors |
| 09:17.10 | MikeJ[Laptop] | in order to use somone elses stuff, you must agree to their rules... |
| 09:17.14 | implicit | trixter, yes, and grow the Open source community |
| 09:17.19 | MikeJ[Laptop] | that is not a limit to you, that is a choice to you |
| 09:17.19 | implicit | trixter, who teh fuck is arguing with that? |
| 09:17.28 | trixter | and with the proposed gpl charging for software and timed with the FSF using FUD to get people to assign copyright to the FSF ... I gotta wonder |
| 09:17.44 | implicit | trixter, it is the choice of the original author to give an infectious piece of code to the community that will try to make more code OS |
| 09:18.07 | implicit | trixter, what is BAD about that in your mind i don't understand |
| 09:18.08 | MikeJ[Laptop] | it's intentional and shitty... I agree.. |
| 09:18.13 | _Lyfe_ | implicit: true, but if i have the option of using say, STL in my C++ program instead of writing my own vector design, and speed is not an issue, I'm going to use the STL vector, being a lazy coder and all :) |
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| 09:18.33 | implicit | _Lyfe_, of course |
| 09:18.52 | trixter | stallman sold emacs for $150 originally becuase he quit his job feeling that because he developed emacs on mits computers while being paid by mit they might have a claim for it, he felt different.. he then saw a drop in sales once the internet took off and formed the FSF to solicit funds so he could pay his rent.. now that those are dropping off he is proposing charging companies that use GPLed software, and using FUD to get as many copyright assign |
| 09:18.52 | trixter | ments as possible, in effect he will get paid for the work of others |
| 09:19.18 | chapeaurouge | stupid question: if i have 3 incoming lines, and 15 phones inside my company (analog), I would need a TDM2400P and get 1FXO module (4ports) and 4 FXS modules (16 ports). am i correct? |
| 09:19.41 | implicit | trixter, the 'authors intent' does not play a role in the content of a license |
| 09:19.45 | MikeJ[Laptop] | trixter, and yes.. the gpl still sucks. |
| 09:19.46 | trixter | implicit: I never said it was good or bad on that point. I specifically said its a limitation, and people started saying that it wasnt a limitation that you can do anything but hten agree you cant do everything but insist that the fact that you cant do everything isnt a limitation |
| 09:20.01 | _Lyfe_ | if you'd like to attack him, i can tell you where he'll be in april. :) |
| 09:20.02 | implicit | trixter, they are smoking weet |
| 09:20.03 | implicit | weed |
| 09:20.18 | implicit | _Lyfe_, lets all buy large guns |
| 09:20.29 | MikeJ[Laptop] | I still say it does not limit what you can do with your own code... |
| 09:20.36 | implicit | trixter, if you agree, i say fuck GPL |
| 09:20.39 | implicit | & fuck open source |
| 09:20.41 | MikeJ[Laptop] | which was my point initially |
| 09:20.45 | MikeJ[Laptop] | and is true |
| 09:20.51 | implicit | lets protect the author |
| 09:20.52 | _Lyfe_ | i can get you the number of a gun reseller in Illinois as well, if you want. |
| 09:20.55 | implicit | and not let other people use his code |
| 09:21.00 | implicit | make open source illegal |
| 09:21.01 | trixter | what is really funny and speaks volumes about stallman and his crew ... they have been trying to make a mach based operating system for over a decade.. how long did it take apple to make os X, a mach based operating system? and according to stallman the reason its taken this long is because 'its really hard' |
| 09:21.11 | _Lyfe_ | AK47's are cheap, by the way. |
| 09:21.33 | implicit | _Lyfe_, thanks for the tip, i am middle eastern |
| 09:21.37 | implicit | _Lyfe_, ;) |
| 09:21.38 | implicit | hahaha |
| 09:21.39 | trixter | mike: the mere fact that I cant write code, compile it and release it under *any* license if it links to a gpl library means that there is a limitation somewhere |
| 09:21.43 | _Lyfe_ | hehe |
| 09:21.49 | trixter | if there were no limitations then I would be able to do all of that |
| 09:22.16 | implicit | trixter, the fact that there is a license brings limitations |
| 09:22.23 | trixter | bsd has a license |
| 09:22.31 | DarthClue | anybody here think they can explain why ChanIsAvail doesn't work? or can maybe point out a way to fix it? |
| 09:22.32 | implicit | BSD brings restrictions |
| 09:22.33 | trixter | the limitation is that there isnt a warantee :P |
| 09:22.34 | implicit | as well |
| 09:22.43 | implicit | and also credit for the author |
| 09:22.48 | benjk | Trixter: Apple did indeed make a Mach based OS, but they didn't make the Mach based OS which is the base for OSX |
| 09:23.03 | implicit | benjk, do you know what you are saying? |
| 09:23.05 | trixter | the advertising clause was removed long ago there really isnt any restriction other than no warantee which does not limit me on what I can do with my code |
| 09:23.09 | benjk | Yes |
| 09:23.12 | implicit | mach is the kernel |
| 09:23.17 | trixter | I know that |
| 09:23.21 | MikeJ[Laptop] | you can write code, and compile it, and if it contains no GPL code in the piece you compile, (including header files from includes and such) you CAN do whatever you want with it... |
| 09:23.23 | benjk | Apple made MkLinux, which was a mach based Linux |
| 09:23.32 | implicit | 'they didn't make the mach based os which is the base for the OSX' |
| 09:23.34 | trixter | just as linux is a kernel and a linux based os could be used the same way as the phrase mach based os |
| 09:23.47 | implicit | you are talking out of trixters ass again |
| 09:23.48 | implicit | btw |
| 09:23.55 | implicit | benjk, and trixter, i like both of you |
| 09:23.58 | benjk | But the Mach+BSD part of OSX wasn't really made by Apple |
| 09:24.05 | implicit | benjk, we all know that :) |
| 09:24.08 | benjk | they purchase it from NeXT |
| 09:24.12 | implicit | if it was it wouldn't be a 'MACH' based OS |
| 09:24.22 | implicit | cause MACH was not developed by apple |
| 09:24.23 | implicit | :) |
| 09:24.28 | implicit | my point exactly |
| 09:24.35 | implicit | lol |
| 09:24.36 | tzafrir_laptop | isn't mklinux an old distro for the old 68x-based macs? |
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| 09:24.52 | trixter | mike: if it contains gpl code *OR* if it links to gpl code even if you dont use any gpl code in your program itself.. |
| 09:24.53 | trixter | say libc |
| 09:25.09 | implicit | glibc is LGPL |
| 09:25.13 | benjk | Well, I was referring to what trixter said about Apple taking comapratively little time to come up with a Mach based OS |
| 09:25.14 | trixter | or a better example would be a less generic library, but meh |
| 09:25.21 | implicit | glibc is not GPL |
| 09:25.24 | implicit | for that purpose |
| 09:25.26 | MikeJ[Laptop] | trixter, if it links to gpl code it has pieces of gpl in the code you compiled, becuase you included header files |
| 09:25.38 | benjk | they took comparatively little time because they bought it in |
| 09:25.38 | trixter | you dont have to include gpl header files |
| 09:25.54 | trixter | infact tachnically you dont have to include any header files in any program |
| 09:25.58 | tzafrir_laptop | MikeJ[Laptop], what about windows binaries that link with wine? |
| 09:26.11 | tzafrir_laptop | windows drivers that link with ndis-wrappers? |
| 09:26.16 | benjk | Stallman's folks are trying to reinvent it, that may be harder and take more time than buying one |
| 09:26.27 | MikeJ[Laptop] | tzafrir_laptop, what about it |
| 09:26.33 | trixter | what about mysql insisting that if you use their database for commercial purposes, or if you cause the customer to install mysql to install your app you have to get a commercial mysql license? another gpl violator |
| 09:26.35 | implicit | MikeJ[Laptop], you are wrong, tzafrir_laptop has a good point |
| 09:26.49 | implicit | MikeJ[Laptop], i can be honest, you are fucking wrong to the bone this time man |
| 09:26.55 | implicit | MikeJ[Laptop], admit it |
| 09:26.57 | implicit | ADMIT IT |
| 09:26.57 | tzafrir_laptop | linking does not necessarily imply using headers |
| 09:26.59 | implicit | hahaha |
| 09:27.08 | trixter | gpl violations are far more common on the software releaser side than on the other side, its just that people choose to ignore when someone releases gpl incompatible programs as long as they claim its gpled |
| 09:27.11 | tzafrir_laptop | or the interface may have a different license than the code |
| 09:27.24 | implicit | tzafrir_laptop, thank you for that fucking brilliant point |
| 09:27.31 | MikeJ[Laptop] | no... you can do whatever you want with your stuff... if you just depend on an interface, and include no gpl code, you can release it however you want.. |
| 09:27.33 | implicit | tzafrir_laptop, you should be given karma |
| 09:27.37 | implicit | tzafrir_laptop, :) |
| 09:27.40 | implicit | lol |
| 09:27.49 | implicit | MikeJ[Laptop], ADMIT YOU ARE WRONG |
| 09:27.53 | implicit | MikeJ[Laptop], ADMIT IT NOW |
| 09:27.59 | implicit | hahahaha |
| 09:28.02 | trixter | technically linux kernel modules have to be gpled but linus made statements so estoppel comes into play, hwoever technically according to gnu.org those modules have to be gpled ... |
| 09:28.14 | MikeJ[Laptop] | that being said... if the only possible interface is one that would not allow people to run against it due to license.... |
| 09:28.19 | benjk | So when are you guys rewriting Asterisk and release it under a BSD license, then? |
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| 09:28.20 | benjk | :-) |
| 09:28.30 | trixter | mikej: that isnt what gnu.org says though. |
| 09:28.36 | trixter | http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#LinkingWithGPL |
| 09:28.39 | MikeJ[Laptop] | I know it isn't |
| 09:28.44 | trixter | and that is my point |
| 09:28.58 | MikeJ[Laptop] | but the gpl holds no legal force over you code if it contains no gpl code |
| 09:29.13 | MikeJ[Laptop] | they can say it all they want.... they have no claim |
| 09:29.25 | implicit | benjk, it wouldn't be * any more :) |
| 09:29.30 | trixter | gnu.org also misquotes the fair use clauses |
| 09:29.44 | chapeaurouge | to have the ztdummy, do i need to 'make all' in zaptel ? |
| 09:29.50 | chapeaurouge | i only want time sync |
| 09:29.52 | trixter | benjk: it might be openpbx.org but it wouldnt be asteirsk :P |
| 09:30.04 | trixter | chap: you need zaptel and ztdummy |
| 09:30.06 | MikeJ[Laptop] | if you do not use any gpl code in your software, and have never used that code, but just right to an interface, that could or could not be gpl, how can the gpl possibly hold force over you releasing non gpl'd code |
| 09:30.06 | implicit | trixter, no, because openpbx.org is based on GPL code |
| 09:30.16 | trixter | not if they bought the commercial license |
| 09:30.16 | benjk | implicit: but it would be nice ;-) |
| 09:30.18 | implicit | BSD is less restrictive and so it can't move to BSD |
| 09:30.25 | trixter | it only takes one license of ABE to get around that |
| 09:30.35 | chapeaurouge | trixter, so i can get rid of all the other modules? |
| 09:30.35 | MikeJ[Laptop] | do you see what I mean.... |
| 09:30.39 | chapeaurouge | in the Makefile? |
| 09:30.43 | implicit | trixter, commercial 'license' is different than digium giving an unrestricted use license for the source code |
| 09:30.56 | trixter | chap: why would you want to? and maybe, I dont know what interdependancies anything has |
| 09:30.57 | implicit | trixter, if you've ever read the commercial license it's very restrictive |
| 09:31.05 | implicit | (digium's obviously) |
| 09:31.07 | chapeaurouge | trixter, just wondering. I'll make everything. |
| 09:31.16 | MikeJ[Laptop] | now, it is probably going to be a violation to actually use it against anything gpl... but that is a different story all together |
| 09:31.18 | trixter | implicit: I havent read the ABE license but it looks like it enables you to release however you want based on market speak |
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| 09:31.36 | trixter | then they mislead :P |
| 09:31.50 | MikeJ[Laptop] | trixter, do you get what I am saying... |
| 09:31.52 | implicit | you have to pay PER copy |
| 09:32.04 | trixter | mike: yes that you are wrong and the gpl has restrictions :P |
| 09:32.12 | implicit | for Binaries |
| 09:32.16 | MikeJ[Laptop] | ok.. you scuk :{ |
| 09:32.19 | MikeJ[Laptop] | hehe |
| 09:32.20 | trixter | I do understand that gnu is saying false stuff but regardless ... |
| 09:32.26 | MikeJ[Laptop] | yes.. |
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| 09:32.34 | trixter | why a friend owns gplsucks.org |
| 09:32.35 | implicit | MikeJ[Laptop], i think we should burn you |
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| 09:32.43 | trixter | we plan on documenting many of these issues with specific examples |
| 09:32.49 | implicit | trixter, but do you think GPL is all bad? |
| 09:32.50 | MikeJ[Laptop] | the point was, they have no ability to enforce what you do with your code, only with their code... |
| 09:32.54 | implicit | trixter, or just part bad? |
| 09:33.04 | trixter | I think the preabmle is the worst part of it |
| 09:33.18 | MikeJ[Laptop] | if you release somthing witch does not include gpl code, but encourages others to break it.. they may be anoher issue as well |
| 09:33.19 | implicit | trixter, do you think GNU or Microsoft is worse? |
| 09:33.34 | trixter | but in effect I dont think that all software released open source is inferior and needs extra protections, so I dont see things the same way as stallman |
| 09:33.37 | MikeJ[Laptop] | I like MPL myself... |
| 09:33.46 | tzafrir_laptop | trixter, there's a new release next year |
| 09:33.47 | implicit | make stallman suck your balls |
| 09:33.47 | trixter | I dont think that there is a need for an organization to collect money off the works of others in the guise of helping people |
| 09:33.54 | tzafrir_laptop | the MPL is actually horrible |
| 09:34.04 | trixter | I dont think that the gpl has a lot of provisions that are what are advertised, for example the whole freedom part is false |
| 09:34.11 | benjk | I'll create a new licences for you trixter |
| 09:34.20 | benjk | it'll be very simple |
| 09:34.24 | benjk | only one line |
| 09:34.26 | implicit | benjk, (this code can be used by anyone to do anything) |
| 09:34.38 | benjk | All your code belongz to uz |
| 09:34.39 | implicit | two lines |
| 09:34.43 | trixter | that sounds liek the apache, bsd, whatever license |
| 09:34.55 | implicit | (as long as they suck my dick each tiem they run code linked to this code) |
| 09:35.11 | MikeJ[Laptop] | hehe |
| 09:35.12 | tzafrir_laptop | The GPL is basically intended at creating a big repository of software. If you want to be part of it, you win. If you want to abuse it by not contributing back, you lose |
| 09:35.20 | trixter | there is some stuff in the gpl that may be unenforceable too, namely the distribution clauses, I have to find my notes somewhere I had some case law that suggested that the restrictions on distribution may be unenforceable |
| 09:35.28 | implicit | tzafrir_laptop, you don't lose either way |
| 09:35.36 | trixter | if you are part of it you lose :P |
| 09:35.39 | implicit | tzafrir_laptop, you actually win, by having something nobody else has |
| 09:35.46 | implicit | tzafrir_laptop, technically trixter is right |
| 09:35.48 | tzafrir_laptop | trixter, well, so far the GPL as a whole proved to be enforcable |
| 09:35.50 | implicit | tzafrir_laptop, and you gain by other people losing |
| 09:36.04 | trixter | not really |
| 09:36.09 | implicit | tzafrir_laptop, and you know i agreed with you a lot against MikeJ[Laptop] but this time you are wrong as fuck |
| 09:36.19 | trixter | the only case that was cited was a german court issuing an injunction but not a finding that the gpl is enforcable |
| 09:36.20 | implicit | tzafrir_laptop, trixter is correct in this situation |
| 09:36.29 | trixter | an injunction is used so the trier of fact (ie where the trial is) can get more info |
| 09:36.35 | tzafrir_laptop | Other people have your code to play with and fork, if they don't like your maintinance |
| 09:36.40 | trixter | but halt distribution etc incase the plantiff has a valid claim |
| 09:36.43 | tzafrir_laptop | they can't really lose |
| 09:36.59 | implicit | tzafrir_laptop, depends on the judge |
| 09:37.05 | implicit | tzafrir_laptop, with enough $$ you can make anyone lose |
| 09:37.13 | implicit | tzafrir_laptop, it's called BRIBING |
| 09:37.18 | implicit | and it is easy to do if you are rich |
| 09:37.21 | implicit | and lots of people do it |
| 09:37.33 | implicit | every minute |
| 09:37.37 | trixter | most of the cases that were cited as a win for the gpl werent really a win for the gpl, most judges have omited the gpl from theirdecisions coming up with a ruling that is on the same side as the FSF but not ruling specifically on the gpl |
| 09:37.59 | tzafrir_laptop | implicit, forllowing your rationale, then with enough $$ I can take portions of MS's code and use it in my code. |
| 09:38.05 | implicit | trixter, you are smarter than i thought |
| 09:38.08 | trixter | I have yet to find one case where the gpl was upheld in court, injunctions dont count beucase their validitity hasnt been ruled on |
| 09:38.10 | implicit | tzafrir_laptop, yes, if you pay off the judges |
| 09:38.27 | tzafrir_laptop | It doesn't really work, because when such a thing is exposed, you're hit |
| 09:38.42 | implicit | tzafrir_laptop, we live in a society that thrives on consumerism |
| 09:38.58 | implicit | tzafrir_laptop, if you pay off enough people you can do it |
| 09:38.59 | tzafrir_laptop | And anyway, we're law-abiding citizens, and not pirates like Sony |
| 09:39.04 | trixter | the american legal system has the best judges, politicians and law makers that money can buy! |
| 09:39.06 | implicit | tzafrir_laptop, no, we are sony |
| 09:39.13 | implicit | tzafrir_laptop, my middle fucking name is sony |
| 09:39.19 | implicit | hahahaha |
| 09:39.20 | trixter | sony didnt pirate lame |
| 09:39.27 | trixter | they bought software from a company that did |
| 09:39.45 | implicit | tzafrir_laptop, you have to admit, even though trixter seemed like a fucking retard at first he actually knows what he is talking about |
| 09:39.55 | trixter | I hardly think you can blame sony for that infringment, although poor judgement in getting the software in the first place |
| 09:40.17 | implicit | trixter, you just need to express the exposition of your arguments in a slightly more fluid matter i think |
| 09:40.45 | implicit | chapeaurouge, fuck mpg123 or mpg321 or whatever the fuck the spagetti code of asterisk uses :) |
| 09:40.49 | trixter | I am doing other things at the same time, I have one hand and am trying to type fast enough to keep up with 3 people, etc |
| 09:40.50 | trixter | :P |
| 09:40.54 | chapeaurouge | implicit, agreed :) |
| 09:41.45 | trixter | ok, back to owning my motorola vt1000 ATA that is locked from vonage |
| 09:41.57 | implicit | oh, fuck that shit |
| 09:42.03 | implicit | go buy one for $50 bucks |
| 09:42.14 | implicit | which is worth what, maybe 10 min of your time :) |
| 09:42.18 | tzafrir_laptop | trixter, they have failed to follow the art (in this case: software) usage license. I have seen media companies sue for less. |
| 09:42.48 | implicit | tzafrir_laptop, and they lose a lot of the time too |
| 09:42.57 | implicit | tzafrir_laptop, i can sue you for some random ass shit |
| 09:43.00 | implicit | it doesn't mean my claim is valid |
| 09:43.04 | benjk | trixter, I had a vt420 that was locked by DEC, I got rid of it on Yahoo auctions |
| 09:43.17 | tzafrir_laptop | you'll be surprised at how many times they win |
| 09:43.18 | implicit | benjk, i'm glad you like motorola |
| 09:43.26 | implicit | tzafrir_laptop, only because they pay off the judges! |
| 09:43.30 | implicit | tzafrir_laptop, my point again |
| 09:43.34 | benjk | who said I did? |
| 09:43.39 | trixter | implicit: I have one its locked to vonage and I am trying to unlock it fully.. why buy another? |
| 09:43.55 | implicit | tzafrir_laptop, don't blind yourself with the view that there is no 'corruption' |
| 09:44.04 | trixter | plus its fun ... had to get a serial-ttl converter just to get into the thing, already got telnet enabled which makes my life much easier |
| 09:44.06 | tzafrir_laptop | trixter, they are the distributors (and the ones making $$ in total). It's their fault. |
| 09:44.21 | MikeJ[Laptop] | ok, I will restate my case about the GPL, the gpl can not force you to do anything with code that is 100% yours, as long as it does not contain one little bit of gpl anything, in the same way that you can build compatible controllers for a playstation without sony's permission, even if they explictly deny that ability to the person who bought the playstation.... |
| 09:44.21 | implicit | corruption in quotes too, because it is a point of view or state of mind |
| 09:44.32 | implicit | MikeJ[Laptop], we don't want to fucking hear it any more |
| 09:44.42 | MikeJ[Laptop] | :P |
| 09:44.43 | implicit | MikeJ[Laptop], you lost, you have to buy trixter an ATA if you want a rematch |
| 09:44.47 | implicit | hahaha |
| 09:44.48 | MikeJ[Laptop] | hehe |
| 09:44.58 | MikeJ[Laptop] | implicit, but you do see my point |
| 09:45.03 | MikeJ[Laptop] | I know you do... |
| 09:45.06 | implicit | yes |
| 09:45.07 | implicit | i do |
| 09:45.09 | MikeJ[Laptop] | :P |
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| 09:45.28 | implicit | and i see trixters point too, and both of you are right to an extent, and too fucking stubborn to 'hear' what the other person is saying |
| 09:45.40 | implicit | for example |
| 09:45.45 | implicit | you talk about 'his code' |
| 09:45.51 | tzafrir_laptop | MikeJ[Laptop], the definition of "100% yours" is vouge, because "derived work" is a bit of vouge term |
| 09:45.52 | trixter | well the gpl may depending on rulings be able to force you because you have an interdependancy and the usage for linking is that interdependancy.. why lgpl is used by some.. technically there are some gpl fonts and if you create a document using those fonts the document is GPLed if released (not lgpl but gpled fonts) |
| 09:45.57 | kink0 | buenos días |
| 09:45.58 | MikeJ[Laptop] | the big catch of course is there is no way to build code that links to gpl code that does not contain anything gpl... at the very least, you have symbols that you call inthe gpl code |
| 09:46.02 | implicit | and he misinterpretes it purposely as 'partially his code' |
| 09:46.37 | implicit | trixter, i can't wait to see those stand up in court :) |
| 09:46.52 | implicit | i am going to make a new license myself |
| 09:47.03 | implicit | called the heart license |
| 09:47.08 | MikeJ[Laptop] | is it the eat sh*t and die license? |
| 09:47.17 | MikeJ[Laptop] | :D |
| 09:47.21 | trixter | use gcc and it inserts header stuff in the binary |
| 09:47.30 | implicit | if you think about linking to the code (just thinking) you have to tear out your heart and mail it to me |
| 09:47.39 | trixter | why with gpl 1 people were afraid that if you compile something with gcc and the object is gpled |
| 09:47.58 | implicit | trixter, but you don't link to gcc |
| 09:48.10 | implicit | trixter, those people were on crack |
| 09:48.12 | trixter | no but it inserts gpl copyrighted material in your binary |
| 09:48.17 | MikeJ[Laptop] | but it then includes stuff that is gpl.... |
| 09:48.22 | MikeJ[Laptop] | y |
| 09:48.33 | trixter | the gpl 1 made it sound that if you used a gpl tool to create something your work product is gpl |
| 09:48.40 | implicit | trixter, no it doesn't, it inserts code from code that is GPL |
| 09:48.43 | trixter | gpl 2 fixed that to a point |
| 09:48.45 | implicit | GPL has no provisions against that |
| 09:49.06 | implicit | for the same reason that you can do the dual-license interface trick |
| 09:49.09 | implicit | even on GPL1 |
| 09:49.14 | implicit | but gpl2 did clear it up |
| 09:49.19 | trixter | many many high paid lawyers reviewed that issue, and it was a specific issue at solomon brothers back then (80s) why they opted for the sun compiler |
| 09:49.40 | implicit | trixter, alright man |
| 09:49.46 | implicit | i'm going to sleep |
| 09:49.50 | MikeJ[Laptop] | blah... |
| 09:49.51 | implicit | trixter, you might want to stop debating though |
| 09:49.53 | trixter | it was ambigous, I never said it was fact |
| 09:49.54 | MikeJ[Laptop] | ok.. enough of this |
| 09:49.55 | MikeJ[Laptop] | hehe |
| 09:49.56 | kink0 | would something like exten => 500,1,Dial(..1..) exten=> Hangup, exten => 500,3,Dial(..2..) cause to dial to second port in the event first port is busy ? |
| 09:49.59 | implicit | trixter, cause once i leave, people can more easily attack you |
| 09:50.05 | MikeJ[Laptop] | heheh |
| 09:50.07 | implicit | trixter, i won't be able to twist the argument in your favor any longer |
| 09:50.13 | implicit | trixter, and you will lose worse than MikeJ[Laptop] |
| 09:50.15 | implicit | hahaha |
| 09:50.22 | MikeJ[Laptop] | hehe.. |
| 09:50.27 | MikeJ[Laptop] | have a good night man... |
| 09:50.35 | implicit | goodnight MikeJ[Laptop] |
| 09:50.37 | MikeJ[Laptop] | I should go back to my MSVC project now... |
| 09:50.39 | MikeJ[Laptop] | :P |
| 09:50.39 | implicit | goodnight trixter |
| 09:50.48 | implicit | and goodnight tzafrir_laptop |
| 09:51.01 | trixter | kink0: busy is +1 congestion is +101 ... so if your priority is 1 for your dial it will goto 2 if busy |
| 09:51.16 | implicit | and last but not least, the annoying as fuck benjk (whom i still like) |
| 09:51.20 | trixter | and with bristuff +201 is if the remote peer is not present |
| 09:51.29 | implicit | ;) |
| 09:51.31 | MikeJ[Laptop] | and I can say that the project I am working on only has 1 piece that is GPL, and that piece is available as a comercial lic too... |
| 09:51.38 | chapeaurouge | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:51.38 | chapeaurouge | the "mpg123 issue" and comes with a cleaner solution |
| 09:51.46 | chapeaurouge | what's the solution? |
| 09:51.48 | chapeaurouge | :) |
| 09:51.54 | kink0 | trixter, but I need a hangup between one and another to avoid always re-call ussing the second , thrird and so ? |
| 09:51.56 | MikeJ[Laptop] | but the code is not released.... so it's not an issue |
| 09:51.58 | MikeJ[Laptop] | :P |
| 09:51.58 | trixter | what was the issue? |
| 09:52.12 | trixter | if it wasnt answered no hangup is needed |
| 09:52.30 | trixter | so if you dial and its busy you dont have to hangup the channel normally, with analog stuff you might, and to be safe you prolly should |
| 09:52.35 | trixter | with voip only you typically dont |
| 09:52.54 | kink0 | trixter: the scenary is this: calls comes from voIP IP network, and must be terminated to any free line in the PSTN gateway, to route calls to the PSTN |
| 09:53.14 | tzafrir_laptop | chapeaurouge, native musiconhold |
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| 09:53.24 | chapeaurouge | hmmmm |
| 09:53.40 | trixter | dial should take care of all that, hangup and stuff |
| 09:53.50 | trixter | I think that is part of the spec when it returns the channel is closed |
| 09:53.53 | MikeJ[Laptop] | NOOOO! |
| 09:54.06 | trixter | it doesnt? |
| 09:54.22 | trixter | or was the no to something else? |
| 09:54.45 | MikeJ[Laptop] | ummmm |
| 09:54.45 | trixter | MikeJ[Laptop]: ?? |
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| 09:54.57 | MikeJ[Laptop] | I got kicked off.. I have no idea what is going on |
| 09:55.08 | trixter | oh didnt know what the no was in reference to |
| 09:55.09 | MikeJ[Laptop] | I should sleep.. |
| 09:55.15 | MikeJ[Laptop] | or get groceries |
| 09:56.30 | implicit | fucking A, stop arguing about this shit, you both lose |
| 09:56.52 | implicit | and dont send messages, my chat program makes noise and wakes me up |
| 09:57.00 | implicit | :-P |
| 09:57.01 | implicit | hahaha |
| 09:57.05 | trixter | now you are just asking |
| 09:57.13 | trixter | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:57.19 | trixter | er -timer |
| 09:57.21 | chapeaurouge | lol |
| 09:57.40 | trixter | yes I am an ircII guy :P |
| 09:57.57 | MikeJ[Laptop] | hehe |
| 10:00.53 | chapeaurouge | Nov 21 10:59:39 NOTICE[3011]: res_musiconhold.c:507 monmp3thread: Request to schedule in the past?!?! |
| 10:00.54 | chapeaurouge | wtf. |
| 10:01.02 | chapeaurouge | i have the ztdummy to sync me up now. |
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| 10:01.26 | chapeaurouge | seems mpg123-0.59r is not workin here... |
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| 10:05.46 | MikeJ[Laptop] | chapeaurouge, you MUST use that version of mpg123 if you use mpg123... |
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| 10:05.58 | MikeJ[Laptop] | you can use native MOH instead... |
| 10:06.13 | chapeaurouge | MikeJ[Laptop], yes... well... how to i use native moh? |
| 10:06.15 | MikeJ[Laptop] | mpg123 MOH has always been problematic... it just sucks |
| 10:06.16 | chapeaurouge | i'd love to |
| 10:06.24 | MikeJ[Laptop] | read the 1.2 sample conf file |
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| 10:06.38 | chapeaurouge | musiconhold.conf sample? |
| 10:07.04 | chapeaurouge | ah yes |
| 10:07.07 | chapeaurouge | at the bottom |
| 10:07.08 | chapeaurouge | thx |
| 10:07.13 | MikeJ[Laptop] | http://cvsweb.digium.com/index.cgi/asterisk/configs/musiconhold.conf.sample?rev=1.10 |
| 10:07.15 | MikeJ[Laptop] | yep |
| 10:08.02 | MikeJ[Laptop] | note.. if you are using mp3, you need to use format_mp3.. that being said, DONT use that |
| 10:08.07 | bon | so if i want to upgrade from 1.2.0b1 to stable should i expect some major problems? :) |
| 10:08.11 | chapeaurouge | lol |
| 10:08.28 | newl | you need to use it, but don't? o_O |
| 10:08.33 | chapeaurouge | hmmm |
| 10:08.35 | chapeaurouge | so... |
| 10:08.36 | MikeJ[Laptop] | covert your MOH to at least raw, or ulaw, but perferabally also the most common codec types |
| 10:08.44 | MikeJ[Laptop] | bon, no |
| 10:08.46 | chapeaurouge | ok |
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| 10:09.10 | MikeJ[Laptop] | it should work much better than mpg123 ever has |
| 10:09.32 | MikeJ[Laptop] | especially if you have it in the right formats on disk |
| 10:09.37 | limepickle | can anyone help me out with dialling a meet-me extension externally over a PRI? |
| 10:09.43 | chapeaurouge | ok so, now on to convert... with sox ? |
| 10:09.48 | MikeJ[Laptop] | yep |
| 10:09.50 | chapeaurouge | kk |
| 10:10.07 | MikeJ[Laptop] | also, another nifty trick for high volume systems, move all your sounds to a ram disk |
| 10:10.20 | chapeaurouge | cool |
| 10:10.23 | MikeJ[Laptop] | or at least frequenylu used ones |
| 10:10.36 | limepickle | hi , er can anyone help me out with dialling a meet-me extension externally over a PRI? |
| 10:10.50 | MikeJ[Laptop] | limepickle, what do you mean |
| 10:10.56 | limepickle | hi mikej |
| 10:11.13 | _Lyfe_ | mmm.. ramdisk. |
| 10:11.15 | limepickle | i have a BP250 connected to my asterisk via a te110p |
| 10:11.16 | MikeJ[Laptop] | you just set up an exten like any other exten |
| 10:11.25 | MikeJ[Laptop] | in the context the pri points to |
| 10:11.32 | MikeJ[Laptop] | at the dnis that comes down the pri |
| 10:12.34 | limepickle | i'm not sure exactly what context it will be in, whether its from-pstn or meet-me or what |
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| 10:14.09 | limepickle | hi mikej, can u help? |
| 10:16.04 | MikeJ[Laptop] | ok, and you have a context= line in your conf file for your pri card right... |
| 10:16.13 | MikeJ[Laptop] | what context is it going to? |
| 10:16.55 | limepickle | default i think - mike, check this out, its my complete configs! http://pickledegg.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/asterisk/configuration.htm |
| 10:19.22 | bon | MikeJ[Laptop]: ok so simple compile and run should do? :) |
| 10:19.32 | bon | i suppose i'll do that overnight.. |
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| 10:21.42 | limepickle | hello? |
| 10:22.44 | limepickle | mike, is there a time that I could come back when you're less busy? would that be ok? |
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| 10:23.40 | limepickle | mike, is there a time that I could come back when you're less busy? would that be ok? |
| 10:23.56 | MikeJ__ | context=default ; Points to the default context of your extensions.conf |
| 10:23.58 | MikeJ__ | not me.. it appears I keep losing connection to the irc server |
| 10:24.09 | MikeJ__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:24.27 | limepickle | yes ok did you check that link is ent you? |
| 10:24.27 | MikeJ__ | so, aso you can see.. your pointing to he default context from that card... |
| 10:24.32 | limepickle | y |
| 10:24.53 | MikeJ__ | all you need to do is put an exten from what you want in the default context of extensions.comf |
| 10:24.55 | MikeJ__ | conf |
| 10:25.08 | limepickle | do i need to include the meet-me context in it? |
| 10:25.13 | MikeJ__ | ummmm |
| 10:25.24 | limepickle | want the link? |
| 10:26.03 | MikeJ__ | I'm looking at it now |
| 10:26.09 | MikeJ__ | there is ext-meetme |
| 10:26.16 | MikeJ__ | if that is what you want to include, then sure |
| 10:26.22 | limepickle | i can call a sip phone but no meet-me, there is no caller id coming from BP250 |
| 10:26.24 | limepickle | YES |
| 10:26.27 | limepickle | thats it |
| 10:26.43 | MikeJ__ | well.. |
| 10:27.08 | MikeJ__ | you are doing checking for calleridnum... so if you are not delivering callerid, that won't work |
| 10:27.11 | chapeaurouge | what's the most used codec in Europe? |
| 10:27.41 | MikeJ__ | by the looks of it, you are checking, to see if the callerid is the same as the extension, and having them be admin inthe conf if so.. |
| 10:27.43 | limepickle | y, i have uncommented that since, about 10 mins ago, but that didn;t work |
| 10:28.10 | MikeJ__ | chapeaurouge, alaw on PSTN, on sip or whatever... who knows.. |
| 10:28.21 | MikeJ__ | uncommented what? |
| 10:28.59 | limepickle | soory, meant commented out with a semicolon, then I renumbered the last steps |
| 10:29.11 | MikeJ__ | ok.. whatever.. so what's not working? |
| 10:29.15 | chapeaurouge | MikeJ__, thx |
| 10:29.29 | MikeJ__ | did you include ext-meetme in default? |
| 10:29.38 | limepickle | not yet |
| 10:29.41 | limepickle | think i should? |
| 10:30.00 | MikeJ__ | ok.. well.. you won't get to those extensions from your pri the way it is.. |
| 10:30.09 | limepickle | uh huh |
| 10:30.13 | MikeJ__ | but it's up to you |
| 10:30.20 | limepickle | oh -ho LOL |
| 10:31.02 | MikeJ__ | all calls that come to the pri go to default.. so either change that, or make it so you can get to your exts from default |
| 10:31.11 | MikeJ__ | ~docs |
| 10:31.13 | jbot | somebody said docs was probably Documentation can be found at http://www.digium.com/index.php?menu=documentation or http://www.digium.com/handbook-draft.pdf or http://www.voip-info.org/wiki-Asterisk or http://www.asteriskdocs.org or http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/asterisk or http://www.asteriskguru.com |
| 10:31.26 | MikeJ__ | read the sample extensions.conf |
| 10:31.29 | chapeaurouge | gst-launch OWNZ to convert mp3 to gsm :) |
| 10:31.39 | MikeJ__ | ok |
| 10:31.43 | limepickle | ok, thanks mikej, i'll give it a shot, now I've got something to go on. |
| 10:31.51 | lme | uh guys, has anyone experimenting problems with iaxtel actually ? 'cause on my side, it's seems to be unreachable... |
| 10:32.31 | MikeJ__ | chapeaurouge, if you are using native MOH, I would strongly suggest either having a raw copy of all of them, or a copy in the format for every codec you could possibly use... |
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| 10:32.42 | MikeJ__ | same for all the other sounds for that matter. |
| 10:32.55 | MikeJ__ | it's dumb that they are all gsm by default... |
| 10:33.00 | chapeaurouge | MikeJ__, yes i agree. I am currently experimenting |
| 10:33.05 | MikeJ__ | dumb unless you only use gsm that is |
| 10:33.25 | chapeaurouge | im based in Europe so... |
| 10:33.27 | MikeJ__ | cuz it has to go up to slin, and back down if it needs to convert... |
| 10:33.32 | chapeaurouge | i guess gsm and alaw then? |
| 10:33.53 | MikeJ__ | they could at least make them ulaw or somting that is easy to convert from.. but those are big.. |
| 10:33.53 | chapeaurouge | or would raw be enough? is it getting converted on the fly then? |
| 10:34.07 | MikeJ__ | raw is fine... |
| 10:34.29 | MikeJ__ | unless you have a lot of g729 or speex or one of he heavier codecs |
| 10:35.04 | zoa | hey ho areski! |
| 10:35.13 | chapeaurouge | dude, i have no idea yet. I am totally new to this stuff, from the day before yesterday. I am glad I already have a VoIP system up and running |
| 10:35.21 | chapeaurouge | :) |
| 10:35.30 | chapeaurouge | sugery is good... lots of free time :) |
| 10:36.02 | areski | zoa, hey super Belgium :) |
| 10:36.12 | areski | zoa, how u do ? |
| 10:37.16 | MikeJ__ | I ate zoa!!! he is being digested right now.. so he can't come to the irc terminal.. please leave a message at the beep |
| 10:37.18 | MikeJ__ | BEEP! |
| 10:37.24 | chapeaurouge | lol |
| 10:37.48 | MikeJ__ | off to get groceries!!!! |
| 10:41.30 | zoa | im fine, how are you? there is 30 cm of snow here! |
| 10:42.11 | areski | where is here ? |
| 10:42.27 | areski | 30 cm in belgium sounds like impossible |
| 10:42.35 | chapeaurouge | damn.. where in Belgium? |
| 10:42.44 | areski | we just have rain normally |
| 10:42.47 | chapeaurouge | Nothing in Arlon, that's for sure :) |
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| 10:45.43 | zoa | im not in belgium :) |
| 10:45.51 | moo[work] | hi, ppl can i have subdomains? |
| 10:46.04 | zoa | you can have everything you want |
| 10:46.05 | zoa | :p |
| 10:46.36 | moo[work] | like have 2 logins with the same name? |
| 10:46.53 | areski | zoa, still in Bulgaria then |
| 10:47.07 | moo[work] | foo.bar@voip.domain1.com foo.bar@voip.domain2.com |
| 10:47.10 | moo[work] | how can i do this? |
| 10:47.14 | moo[work] | anyone knows? |
| 10:47.16 | areski | zoa, the ast-guru team is going well then |
| 10:59.15 | zoa | yeah lots of people here |
| 11:02.03 | trixter | zoa you can have everything you want -does that include me too?! |
| 11:06.57 | mut | w00t french onion sun chips are the shit for breakfast! |
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| 11:19.10 | fishboy1669 | hi guys |
| 11:19.36 | trixter | saw a news article on tivo and that made me think.. is there a monitor like function for video? does monitor work on video? |
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| 11:25.22 | trixter | Hmm.. tivo will let you sync your saved movies to your ipod.. that would be a neat integration into asterisk, doing a podcast of telephone calls (perhaps a conference or something) would be trivial, doing the same with a video feed may be more interesting, just dunno if it supports it.. will have to google that later |
| 11:26.33 | limepickle | has anyone has any probs with caller id? |
| 11:26.39 | limepickle | *had |
| 11:27.12 | limepickle | ie, not being able to see it coming from an external source |
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| 11:32.11 | moo[work] | hello, can i have subdomains, so i can have 2 logins with the same sip? |
| 11:33.15 | limepickle | has anyone had any probs with caller id? |
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| 11:33.58 | fishboy1669 | limepickle what device iwth x100p or pri bri? |
| 11:34.00 | fishboy1669 | which contry? |
| 11:34.18 | limepickle | hi fishboy, TE110p UK, E1 connection |
| 11:34.37 | fishboy1669 | x100p in uk needs a recompile for zaptel with a patch |
| 11:34.47 | fishboy1669 | dont know about the te110p |
| 11:35.00 | limepickle | calls all ok etc, just no clid |
| 11:35.08 | fishboy1669 | check how your e1 providers is passing it to u |
| 11:35.19 | fishboy1669 | there are 2 methods it can come down isdn |
| 11:35.24 | fishboy1669 | one works the other doesnt |
| 11:35.27 | limepickle | oh, sorry its a BP250 that we have here |
| 11:35.36 | fishboy1669 | bp250? |
| 11:35.40 | limepickle | Ericsson |
| 11:35.52 | limepickle | calling into the asterisk |
| 11:35.53 | fishboy1669 | pbx plugged into the * box? |
| 11:35.56 | limepickle | y |
| 11:36.10 | fishboy1669 | check the ericson man see what its using to send cli |
| 11:36.24 | fishboy1669 | then ask on here if * accepts that protocol for the cli |
| 11:36.27 | limepickle | ok, what are the standards then, do they have names? |
| 11:36.36 | fishboy1669 | not off top of my head |
| 11:36.38 | limepickle | ok |
| 11:36.52 | limepickle | I'll find out ok |
| 11:37.04 | limepickle | mind if I look you up later fishboy? |
| 11:37.26 | fishboy1669 | sorry i cant help more it was one install years ago just know that its one of them bugs issues thats not that documented |
| 11:37.34 | fishboy1669 | ye no probs give us a shout later |
| 11:37.44 | limepickle | thanks m8 |
| 11:37.48 | fishboy1669 | ill help as much as i can |
| 11:38.06 | fishboy1669 | for me it was a bt issues on there isdn2 line |
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| 11:38.15 | limepickle | righto |
| 11:38.24 | fishboy1669 | something to do with whats the main number etc |
| 11:38.37 | limepickle | well at least we are able to interogate the BP250 in our office, so I'll see |
| 11:38.40 | fishboy1669 | dont use isdn much so only vagly know / gessing |
| 11:38.45 | fishboy1669 | cool |
| 11:38.47 | fishboy1669 | good luck |
| 11:38.50 | limepickle | thanks |
| 11:39.12 | limepickle | its been 2 weeks now on asterisk, STEEP learning curve lol |
| 11:39.19 | fishboy1669 | totally |
| 11:39.24 | fishboy1669 | the orilly boook is good |
| 11:39.32 | fishboy1669 | can dl in pdf now as well |
| 11:39.39 | limepickle | y, got that, I printed it. |
| 11:39.43 | fishboy1669 | ive been on it a year still learning lol |
| 11:39.48 | fishboy1669 | where u based lime? |
| 11:40.01 | limepickle | birmingham |
| 11:40.05 | limepickle | ish |
| 11:40.06 | fishboy1669 | cool |
| 11:40.10 | fishboy1669 | runcorn cheshire |
| 11:40.24 | fishboy1669 | check out asterisk-uk irc |
| 11:40.32 | fishboy1669 | bit more at home |
| 11:40.34 | fishboy1669 | ;-) |
| 11:40.45 | limepickle | cool, thanks |
| 11:40.58 | fishboy1669 | also when they get there ares finally in gear there palnning a pub crawl in derby |
| 11:41.06 | fishboy1669 | to chat *! |
| 11:41.10 | limepickle | thats not too far for me |
| 11:41.13 | limepickle | hehe |
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| 11:41.18 | fishboy1669 | yup |
| 11:41.24 | *** part/#asterisk [itrebal_sleep] (n=itrebal@unaffiliated/itrebal) |
| 11:41.25 | fishboy1669 | theres also one in bristol |
| 11:41.39 | limepickle | especially after a bit of dutch courage, id be trying to walk home! |
| 11:42.38 | fishboy1669 | lol |
| 11:42.39 | limepickle | right, I'll go and have a play, later fishboy |
| 11:42.53 | fishboy1669 | dont forget to sign up to asteisk-uk |
| 11:43.01 | limepickle | ok, will do |
| 11:43.10 | moo[work] | anyone knows how can i have subdomains suport for the users? |
| 11:43.11 | fishboy1669 | catch u later |
| 11:43.23 | limepickle | top stuff, finally found an asterisk buddy! |
| 11:43.36 | limepickle | ;) |
| 11:43.39 | fishboy1669 | sorry moo never done anyhting like that |
| 11:43.51 | fishboy1669 | chatch u later lime |
| 11:46.20 | LostFrog | ok.. probably a stupid problem. |
| 11:46.37 | LostFrog | I can't get hints working in 1.2RC2. |
| 11:46.55 | LostFrog | No matter what the extension is doing, I get 'Idle' in show hints |
| 11:47.56 | LostFrog | Damn.. It has to be SIP, not Sip. |
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| 11:50.21 | fishboy1669 | hi lostfrog |
| 11:50.25 | fishboy1669 | what are u doing? |
| 11:50.53 | fishboy1669 | im just in process of upgrading |
| 11:51.01 | fishboy1669 | is 1.2 case sensitive? |
| 11:51.10 | LostFrog | Just trying to let my boss spy on calls. :) |
| 11:52.00 | webmind | is that legal overthere ? |
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| 11:52.00 | fishboy1669 | frog where is the sip case sensitive? |
| 11:52.00 | fishboy1669 | in sip.conf |
| 11:52.00 | fishboy1669 | extentions.conf |
| 11:52.00 | fishboy1669 | or cli? |
| 11:52.01 | RoyK | fishboy1669: apps aren't case sensitive, but functions are. sip.conf is. |
| 11:52.03 | LostFrog | Listening to our call center personal, yes. |
| 11:52.12 | LostFrog | fishboy1669: extensions |
| 11:52.15 | RoyK | generally i beleive it should be case sensitive overall |
| 11:52.18 | LostFrog | Only when used with hints |
| 11:52.20 | RoyK | just to hammer it in |
| 11:52.23 | fishboy1669 | cool ill watch out for that one |
| 11:52.30 | fishboy1669 | frog where u based uk or states? |
| 11:52.35 | LostFrog | States. |
| 11:52.45 | fishboy1669 | hi royk hows things |
| 11:52.51 | LostFrog | My boss is a lawyer. If he tells me it is legal, I will trust him. |
| 11:52.59 | fishboy1669 | lol |
| 11:53.10 | fishboy1669 | hes boss he gets sued lol |
| 11:53.25 | LostFrog | It's his bar license too. |
| 11:53.33 | fishboy1669 | lol |
| 11:54.01 | fishboy1669 | royk where u based? |
| 11:54.20 | fishboy1669 | Royk im always wondering wether to use upper or lower case |
| 11:54.28 | fishboy1669 | agree with u one standard would be good |
| 11:54.46 | RoyK | fishboy1669: .no |
| 11:54.58 | fishboy1669 | ? |
| 11:55.05 | fishboy1669 | .no? |
| 11:55.05 | RoyK | i'm based in .no |
| 11:55.13 | fishboy1669 | ey? |
| 11:55.16 | fishboy1669 | wheres that? |
| 11:55.18 | RoyK | ~nickometer fishboy1669 |
| 11:55.20 | RoyK | norway |
| 11:55.21 | LostFrog | Norway? |
| 11:55.23 | fishboy1669 | aha cool |
| 11:55.30 | RoyK | yes |
| 11:55.31 | RoyK | cool |
| 11:55.33 | RoyK | chilly |
| 11:55.35 | RoyK | dark |
| 11:55.36 | RoyK | cold |
| 11:55.37 | fishboy1669 | very bloody cool |
| 11:55.49 | fishboy1669 | whats it like to visit |
| 11:55.51 | fishboy1669 | besides cold |
| 11:56.00 | RoyK | well |
| 11:56.01 | fishboy1669 | is there any snowboading there? |
| 11:56.05 | RoyK | lots |
| 11:56.07 | RoyK | and lots |
| 11:56.28 | RoyK | there's lots of mountains and uninhabitated area |
| 11:56.49 | RoyK | .no is about as large as .de, the area, with only 4.5M ppl |
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| 11:58.20 | RoyK | s/uninhabitated/uninhabitable/ |
| 11:58.21 | RoyK | perhaps |
| 11:58.32 | fishboy1669 | do u board? |
| 11:58.38 | fishboy1669 | whats conditions like for boarding? |
| 11:58.50 | fishboy1669 | im sick of france n italy and spain |
| 11:58.55 | fishboy1669 | want new adventure |
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| 12:17.33 | fourcheeze | why would asterisk send a 407 Proxy Authentication Required rather than a 401 Authentication Required? |
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| 12:18.07 | tzanger | now that bkw's no longer forcing it, can we remove the +r on this channel?? |
| 12:18.08 | fourcheeze | I'm just connecting straight to * with SIP from a snom |
| 12:18.11 | kapejod | morn tzanger |
| 12:18.16 | tzanger | morning kapejod |
| 12:18.31 | fourcheeze | anyone understand SIP headers? |
| 12:19.05 | trixter | ohh starting to look like I am getting really close on the vt1000 vonage unlock.. oepned up some new options that used to not be there |
| 12:19.06 | trixter | :) |
| 12:19.11 | kapejod | fourcheeze: asterisk is your sip proxy, not? |
| 12:19.22 | fourcheeze | is a 407 a response to a SUBSCRIBE whereas a 401 is the response to a REGISTER? |
| 12:20.03 | fourcheeze | kapejod: * is my sip registrar, I'm not sure enough to be pedantic about whether or not it's a sip proxy |
| 12:20.28 | RoyK | fourcheeze: see the sip tutorial |
| 12:20.38 | RoyK | ~sip tutorial? |
| 12:20.41 | kapejod | 21.4.2 401 Unauthorized |
| 12:20.41 | kapejod | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:20.41 | kapejod | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:20.42 | kapejod | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:21.00 | RoyK | jbot_: sip tutorial is http://www.iptel.org/sip/ |
| 12:21.13 | kapejod | fourcheeze: so you are right. |
| 12:21.28 | fourcheeze | so why would my snom be sending out a subscribe? |
| 12:22.00 | fourcheeze | when I didn't tell it about a proxy |
| 12:22.01 | kapejod | because you have configured a destination function key? |
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| 12:22.13 | fourcheeze | kapejod: ok yes I have |
| 12:22.19 | kapejod | see? :) |
| 12:22.29 | fourcheeze | kapejod: so keep talking to me.... |
| 12:22.33 | fourcheeze | :-) |
| 12:22.36 | fourcheeze | why does that matter? |
| 12:23.07 | kapejod | the subscribe needs to be authenticated like a normal call, not? |
| 12:23.21 | fourcheeze | right |
| 12:23.28 | fourcheeze | and so it gets a 407 |
| 12:23.30 | fourcheeze | the first time |
| 12:24.14 | kapejod | so, where is the problem? ;) |
| 12:24.22 | fourcheeze | none so far |
| 12:24.26 | fourcheeze | I'm trying to debug my snom |
| 12:24.41 | kapejod | which model and firmware? |
| 12:24.59 | fourcheeze | kapejod: 360 4.0 |
| 12:25.11 | kapejod | same thing. |
| 12:25.24 | fourcheeze | kapejod: I have a problem where they become deregistered |
| 12:25.38 | kapejod | never happened here |
| 12:25.38 | fourcheeze | certainly the destination key seems to affect this |
| 12:25.58 | fourcheeze | I have found many people with a similar problem |
| 12:26.04 | fourcheeze | well at least 2 others :-) |
| 12:26.08 | kapejod | the only problem is that if you do an extensions reload all your SUBSCRIBEs are gone ;) |
| 12:26.17 | fourcheeze | ok |
| 12:26.20 | kapejod | but that is a flaw of asterisk |
| 12:26.29 | kapejod | you need to reboot the phone or wait for 60 mins |
| 12:26.45 | fourcheeze | how do I shorten the expiry onthe subscribes? |
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| 12:27.09 | kapejod | by modifying the firmware ;) |
| 12:27.15 | fourcheeze | great |
| 12:27.22 | fourcheeze | however that's not quite what happens to me |
| 12:27.28 | kapejod | however it makes more sense to fix * |
| 12:27.40 | fourcheeze | at least, that might happen |
| 12:27.47 | kapejod | to store subscriptions in astdb |
| 12:27.52 | fourcheeze | but it's not the worst thing |
| 12:28.06 | fourcheeze | I'm using qualify=yes |
| 12:28.25 | fourcheeze | for about 3-4 minutes every 1-2 hours they show as uinknown |
| 12:29.05 | kapejod | local network? |
| 12:29.56 | kapejod | and which * version? |
| 12:32.08 | fourcheeze | * is 1.0.7 althouhg I'm going to upgrade to 1.2 in a few days |
| 12:32.26 | fourcheeze | snom phones are behind NAT |
| 12:32.39 | fourcheeze | there are no other indications of network problems |
| 12:33.19 | fourcheeze | I have a pair with destination buttons for each other |
| 12:33.30 | fourcheeze | it does seem that after one goes down the other goes down fairly soon after |
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| 12:35.28 | LeonardoCabelo | Hi, the syntax on Asterisk 1.2 is the same that i used on las version? |
| 12:36.05 | RoyK | 1.2 is backwards compatible |
| 12:36.06 | RoyK | yes |
| 12:36.18 | RoyK | although it includes quite a few improvements |
| 12:36.28 | LeonardoCabelo | like what? |
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| 12:37.03 | RoyK | like labels |
| 12:37.16 | RoyK | like automatic incremented priority in dialplans |
| 12:37.24 | RoyK | like functions |
| 12:38.22 | iDunno | there's no fun in that though ;) |
| 12:38.59 | fourcheeze | is there a recommended schema for incororating mysql tables into sip.conf, extensions.conf etc? |
| 12:40.14 | RoyK | fourcheeze: realtime |
| 12:40.37 | RoyK | ~google asterisk realtime extensions |
| 12:40.40 | RoyK | ~google asterisk realtime sip |
| 12:40.52 | BroederA | hello, I've spend much time on installing a IDSN card to use with Asterisk, but I've failed.. can anyone help me step by step? (I'm using Xorcom Rapid, based on Debian) |
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| 12:42.47 | RoyK | BroederA: there are quite a few chipsets out there. tell which one you're using and perhaps, maybe someone might be able to tell you how to rtfm |
| 12:44.36 | BroederA | Royk: Eicon Diva 2.01 ISA | (Dynalink) Winbond PCI ... |
| 12:44.45 | BroederA | both cards are in the system |
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| 12:45.39 | many | what is failing is a more interesting question |
| 12:45.57 | fourcheeze | kapejod: just been watching the sip trace while it deregisters |
| 12:46.31 | fourcheeze | at 32 minutes past the hour it registered with an Expiry of 60 |
| 12:46.34 | fourcheeze | got a 200 |
| 12:46.54 | fourcheeze | but then it didn't try to register again until 37 minutes past |
| 12:47.16 | RoyK | BroederA: that means you're stuck with isdn4linux which sucks more than you can imagine |
| 12:47.39 | RoyK | BroederA: go get an hfc-pci board for EUR 30 |
| 12:47.50 | fourcheeze | anyway, I've sent the trace to snom for them to look at |
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| 12:48.59 | RoyK | BroederA: they work far better |
| 12:49.15 | many | *run* |
| 12:49.55 | iDunno | they are much nicer than trying to get i4l to work. |
| 12:50.10 | iDunno | once you get the hfc-pci driver compiled and running, that is ;) |
| 12:50.41 | many | running, thats the point. |
| 12:51.24 | iDunno | didn't take long, for me at least. |
| 12:51.40 | iDunno | but then, there's nice asterisk packages in debian sarge that contain the driver ;) |
| 12:52.23 | RoyK | many: ever tried isdn4linux_ |
| 12:52.24 | RoyK | ?? |
| 12:52.41 | RoyK | it's the best way to learn all about echo and latency |
| 12:54.49 | BroederA | RoyK: Do you've a recomendation for a hfc-pci card/model ? |
| 12:54.56 | ikarus | BroederA: any random one |
| 12:55.06 | ikarus | they are all effectivly identical |
| 12:57.24 | RoyK | BroederA: they're all the same |
| 12:57.40 | RoyK | BroederA: kapejod's cards are good if you need many ports, though |
| 12:57.52 | RoyK | although a little expensive |
| 12:58.00 | zigman | but WAY more stable |
| 12:58.14 | RoyK | yeah |
| 12:58.19 | RoyK | and 'supported' |
| 12:58.27 | zigman | well... |
| 12:58.30 | zigman | hfc-s is too |
| 12:58.31 | zigman | kinda |
| 12:59.32 | RoyK | yeah |
| 12:59.33 | RoyK | kinda |
| 13:02.35 | many | kinda, too? |
| 13:02.54 | many | royk: hisax just saved my day, eventually. |
| 13:03.06 | LostFrog | Anyone know of a (semi)free fax service? |
| 13:03.13 | many | err, probably, not eventually |
| 13:04.01 | ikarus | LostFrog: there are multiple |
| 13:04.03 | BroederA | kapejod = KlausPeter Junghanns ? |
| 13:04.13 | many | Yes. |
| 13:04.32 | LostFrog | ikarus: any suggestions? |
| 13:04.34 | ikarus | BroederA: do realise that those cards start at around EUR 600 |
| 13:04.38 | trixter | lostfrog: stanaphone will accept faxes for you and email them to you free |
| 13:04.41 | ikarus | LostFrog: erm, if I could remember |
| 13:04.41 | trixter | or at least they used to |
| 13:04.44 | trixter | stanaphone.com |
| 13:04.58 | LostFrog | I need outgoing. |
| 13:05.11 | ikarus | BroederA: while a HFC-S card is only 55 euro at most (most rip-off vendor I found) |
| 13:05.14 | kapejod | BroederA: last time i checked, yes. |
| 13:05.27 | BroederA | ikarus: ah, that is not what I want. It is first for testing and playing |
| 13:05.37 | zigman | ikans you get them on ebay for 15 euro |
| 13:05.57 | BroederA | kapejod: lol |
| 13:05.58 | kapejod | or for 11 euros from some distributor |
| 13:06.04 | ikarus | zigman: HFC-S cards ?, I can buy them in the shop for that price |
| 13:06.09 | LostFrog | Cool.. freefax.com |
| 13:06.17 | BroederA | have anyone experience with Pika Technologies? |
| 13:06.25 | mut | AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH |
| 13:06.29 | mut | IMAIL pisses me off! |
| 13:07.07 | trixter | does freefax put anything on the fax indicating that is how you sent it? |
| 13:07.17 | ikarus | reminds me, I need to find a cheap ATA if my $boss keeps being so annoying (he doesn't want a digital answering machine) |
| 13:07.39 | LostFrog | trixter: yes, but *I* don't care. |
| 13:07.42 | LostFrog | It's for testing. |
| 13:07.55 | LostFrog | It's advertiser supported. |
| 13:08.03 | trixter | I just wanted to know whether or not it did :) it said it was paid for by advertising so I could see a coverpage full of ads :P |
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| 13:08.23 | LostFrog | 1/3 of the coverpage, it says. |
| 13:08.37 | ikarus | trixter: that is usually the case |
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| 13:10.09 | LostFrog | Hmm.. their login page doesn't work. :( |
| 13:10.33 | ikarus | btw, anyone found VoIP phones (real ones) cheaper then 75 euro ? |
| 13:10.35 | trixter | you get what you pay for :P |
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| 13:21.00 | BroederA | Is HFC-4S the same as HFC-s ? |
| 13:21.25 | kapejod | no |
| 13:21.28 | kapejod | different chipset |
| 13:21.43 | kapejod | HFC-s == HFC-S PCI A |
| 13:21.52 | kapejod | single BRI |
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| 13:25.43 | Druken | GGOOOOOOODDD MORNING ASTERISK!!!! |
| 13:26.51 | Druken | ouchie... what ya do that for |
| 13:27.13 | RoyK | shouting in here :( |
| 13:27.37 | Druken | oh yeah... especially this early eh? |
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| 13:27.57 | darkskiez | its 1:30pm here |
| 13:28.08 | Druken | 8:30 am here :) |
| 13:29.23 | RoyK | darkskiez: english? |
| 13:29.44 | darkskiez | Northern Irish |
| 13:30.43 | RoyK | ahki |
| 13:30.49 | RoyK | where about? |
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| 13:31.00 | chapeaurouge | morning Druken :) |
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| 13:32.17 | jonathh | hello wonderful people of the asterisk room |
| 13:32.37 | jonathh | im getting this '/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lidn' any pointers? 1.0.7 compiled ok as far as i remembver |
| 13:32.56 | Druken | someone is kissing ass... |
| 13:33.36 | jonathh | ;) |
| 13:33.40 | tzanger | haha |
| 13:33.45 | jonathh | course.. you just know the question is gonna follow |
| 13:33.46 | tzanger | jonathh: you don't have libidn installed |
| 13:34.11 | jonathh | is that something that wouldn't have been needed in 1.07. i am more curious why that compiled and this didn't |
| 13:34.33 | tzanger | you may have a partial install that the system thinks you have it and thus is trying ot use it |
| 13:34.50 | tzanger | btw there are lots of wonderful people of asterisk... but I odn't think any of them are online at this time :-) |
| 13:35.03 | tzanger | who's got +o on here? |
| 13:35.12 | tzanger | someone remove the +r chan flag please |
| 13:35.18 | jonathh | ? |
| 13:36.00 | ikarus | tzanger: you want the unwashed masses in ? ;) |
| 13:36.10 | tzanger | that's precisely what this chan is for :-) |
| 13:36.13 | Druken | what is r ? |
| 13:36.21 | jonathh | registered i am guessing... |
| 13:36.27 | tzanger | +r = users must have registered nics with freenode |
| 13:36.54 | Druken | didn't we have a problem with flood bots? |
| 13:37.11 | Druken | i've personally never seen it... but that's just me |
| 13:37.31 | tzanger | Druken: sure but that was one point in time and +r is an abomination |
| 13:37.42 | tzanger | that's why we need more active channel ops |
| 13:38.00 | Druken | active channel ops... hahahahaha |
| 13:38.02 | tzanger | to handle those problem as they occur, not offer blanket moves |
| 13:38.50 | Druken | the ops that are current, i see maybe once i month... |
| 13:38.55 | tzanger | this is the *only* channel I'm on that is +r... and I hang out in #kde, #linuxhelp and #perl which have far more activity than #asterisk |
| 13:40.47 | jonathh | all fair points IMHO |
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| 13:42.39 | jonathh | turning it on.. when the flood bots operate might be a better solution |
| 13:43.06 | chapeaurouge | haha .. ya.. lots of activity .. not on my channel (#madpenguin) |
| 13:43.37 | RoyK | jbot_: ping |
| 13:44.04 | docelmo | YIPPIE! Its monday! |
| 13:44.16 | jonathh | stop that now. |
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| 13:44.30 | docelmo | what? |
| 13:44.33 | syle | i know |
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| 13:44.39 | syle | xbox360 tommorrow |
| 13:44.47 | jonathh | being all energetic |
| 13:45.03 | syle | for sure got to show up at 8am to get it |
| 13:45.14 | docelmo | After the morning I just had.. I should be.. I came into my office and found my server room with 1" of water laying in the bottom of it. |
| 13:45.48 | trixter | that is generally a bad thing |
| 13:45.49 | Druken | only 1" ? |
| 13:46.00 | trixter | did the janitor use it as a bathroom again? |
| 13:46.01 | docelmo | And Im not energetic yet.. I havent had my Mt Dew for the morning |
| 13:46.06 | trixter | he really should do that elsewhere |
| 13:46.11 | Druken | well that's ok... all racks have at least 2" of clearence on the floor |
| 13:46.31 | docelmo | no.. AC condenser broke along with dehumidifier.. need less to say I got a interesting suprise.. |
| 13:46.52 | docelmo | Nothing is damaged.. Just something to make my morning interesting.. The maintenance guy is working on it now |
| 13:46.52 | Pete_Largo | that's all you need, soggy servers |
| 13:47.10 | docelmo | Pete just curious but you in largo? |
| 13:47.12 | Druken | crack out the old shopvac |
| 13:47.13 | Druken | :) |
| 13:47.20 | Pete_Largo | nope |
| 13:47.24 | docelmo | way ahead of you |
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| 13:47.45 | docelmo | Your whois says your a BRIGHTHOUSE USER! |
| 13:47.55 | Druken | shop vac, and large fans on the floor with the door open :) |
| 13:47.56 | trixter | need more sensors with remote alerting ... 1" on the floor implies that its across the whole floor (I dont think the surface tension of water is such that you can have a 1" puddle only) but regardless ... |
| 13:48.06 | trixter | that much humidity in the air is not a good thing for the systems |
| 13:48.17 | Pete_Largo | and yours says you are an XO user :) I pitty you |
| 13:48.31 | docelmo | XO @ work |
| 13:48.34 | docelmo | Fios @ Home |
| 13:48.38 | Pete_Largo | I pitty you |
| 13:48.39 | docelmo | And Im in Tampa also |
| 13:48.51 | Pete_Largo | where at in Tampa? |
| 13:49.07 | Pete_Largo | I' |
| 13:49.09 | Pete_Largo | m |
| 13:49.12 | Pete_Largo | er |
| 13:49.16 | trixter | its almost 6am ... I think its about time for breakfast |
| 13:49.20 | Pete_Largo | I'm in Pinellas Park |
| 13:49.26 | docelmo | hay the way I see it when bright house gets off its ass and decides to compete with Fios then I may think of moving back.. But 30Mb down and 5Mb up.. They cant compete.. |
| 13:49.37 | docelmo | I live in Odessa and work on Hillsborough Ave |
| 13:49.44 | Pete_Largo | cool |
| 13:49.52 | Pete_Largo | Odessa = long drive? |
| 13:50.01 | docelmo | iCEBreaker is in Clearwater |
| 13:50.13 | docelmo | 30-60 minutes depending on the Vererans |
| 13:50.27 | docelmo | like the moron last week who decided to flip his car and take both lanes |
| 13:50.37 | Pete_Largo | lol |
| 13:50.54 | Pete_Largo | I'd never heard of FIOS... checking my ph# now :) |
| 13:50.54 | Druken | greedy bastard |
| 13:50.59 | docelmo | hehe |
| 13:51.02 | trixter | damn him he should know to flip his car into a ditch and not take 2 lanes |
| 13:51.04 | docelmo | greedy bastard? |
| 13:51.04 | trixter | selfish |
| 13:51.14 | docelmo | exactly |
| 13:51.30 | docelmo | Some people in flordia like NYC area cant drive worth a shit |
| 13:51.32 | Druken | docelmo: yeah.. taking 2 lanes... greedy bastard... |
| 13:51.53 | Druken | docelmo: most people can't drive worth shit... only a select few can... |
| 13:51.54 | docelmo | Well he could have made it flip in the ditch since there is one.. |
| 13:52.02 | docelmo | Took me 2 damn hours to get to work |
| 13:52.16 | Druken | the prick |
| 13:52.20 | Pete_Largo | FIOS not availabe :( |
| 13:52.27 | Katty | hi lads. |
| 13:52.33 | trixter | NJ has worse drivers than NYC |
| 13:52.37 | docelmo | I had to get out my Laptop and Verizon high speed and work in my car while I was waiting |
| 13:52.41 | docelmo | Pete, call em up |
| 13:52.48 | Druken | just like all those assholes who roll their dump trucks on the highway spilling gravel all over the place... |
| 13:52.50 | docelmo | 888-GET-FIOS |
| 13:52.51 | jonathh | can anyone tell me if the need for lidn added since 1.07? |
| 13:53.36 | docelmo | Not I |
| 13:54.00 | Katty | let me guess, you guys don't have your coffee down yet |
| 13:54.04 | docelmo | no |
| 13:54.10 | docelmo | well my coffee is Mt Dew |
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| 13:54.11 | Druken | coffee? |
| 13:54.14 | docelmo | I cant stand coffee |
| 13:54.18 | Katty | excellent |
| 13:54.22 | docelmo | I prefer Cappuccino |
| 13:54.26 | Druken | i haven't had my morning coke yet... |
| 13:54.26 | Katty | now that we're all paying attention |
| 13:54.28 | Katty | good morning! |
| 13:54.36 | Katty | come on, you can do it! |
| 13:54.40 | Katty | two little words! |
| 13:54.41 | docelmo | Ya whatever.. |
| 13:54.48 | docelmo | there are 2 words.. :) |
| 13:54.52 | Katty | well it's a good start, considering the time ;) |
| 13:55.09 | docelmo | Hay I had to deal with my server room being real soggy |
| 13:55.24 | Druken | normally my responce to good morning is what the fuck good is it? |
| 13:55.24 | Katty | we all have things we have to deal with |
| 13:55.38 | docelmo | so Ive been kinda busy up till now.. I need Mt. Dew.. bbiaf.. |
| 13:55.39 | Katty | for example, i'm in the middle of migrating windows servers. |
| 13:55.40 | Druken | but today i'm in a good mood... but i'm sure that will change when i goto work |
| 13:56.09 | docelmo | Kat from what version to what version? 2000 - 2K3? |
| 13:57.33 | Druken | 2k3? |
| 13:57.43 | docelmo | winDOZ 2003 |
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| 13:57.48 | Druken | i dun remember a 2003 version... |
| 13:58.01 | Druken | less ya mean xp |
| 13:58.11 | docelmo | Nope Server |
| 13:58.30 | docelmo | I run 2K3 standard on all of my servers except 1 which is our MAS Accounting Server |
| 13:58.38 | docelmo | bbiaf.. Mt Dew is calling me. |
| 14:02.18 | Katty | docelmo: yes. |
| 14:02.36 | Katty | docelmo: but it's not just an upgrade. |
| 14:02.43 | Katty | docelmo: i'm actually moving things to a different box. |
| 14:02.57 | Katty | docelmo: sadly, windows won't let me move users between different boxes on different domains. |
| 14:03.31 | Katty | docelmo: there's some command prompt support tool called movetree that i'll have to use, and it's my bet that it won't move the exchange mailboxes...that'd just be too easy. |
| 14:08.59 | docelmo | You can merge the domains under the same forest then migrate them |
| 14:09.06 | docelmo | Not too hard. I had to do it here |
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| 14:13.38 | chapeaurouge | holy shit.. |
| 14:13.40 | chapeaurouge | MOH works.. |
| 14:13.42 | chapeaurouge | ! |
| 14:14.59 | chapeaurouge | not with mp3 though... works with gsm converted file. which is a start |
| 14:15.12 | chapeaurouge | playing thru native MOH |
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| 14:23.41 | SpaceBass | morning |
| 14:24.07 | SpaceBass | anyone know a good way to search for DIDs/termination in my area? I want to port my POTS number to VoIP |
| 14:24.17 | tzanger | sivana: morning |
| 14:24.24 | SpaceBass | I'd like to stick with broadvoice, but they don't have DIDs in my area |
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| 14:27.57 | sivana | tzanger: morning |
| 14:31.06 | tzanger | what's shakin |
| 14:34.30 | SpaceBass | is it true you can make a test call to 911 legally? |
| 14:34.50 | twisted | yes |
| 14:34.58 | twisted | you just have to state it's not an emergency FIRST THING |
| 14:35.00 | twisted | and make it fast. |
| 14:35.02 | SpaceBass | and just say "hey, just testing" |
| 14:35.35 | SpaceBass | cool, thanks |
| 14:35.54 | SpaceBass | about to drop my pots line and need to map 911 to the backend number... wife insisted we test first |
| 14:35.55 | twisted | "Hi, this is not an emergency. This is a test call from <your company> via <your provider>. Can you verify that all ALI/ANI data is being recieved properly, and read back that information, please?" |
| 14:36.12 | tzanger | twisted: I'd suggest doing something a little different |
| 14:36.22 | sivana | not much |
| 14:36.28 | twisted | tzanger: that's the way i've done it in the past, and they were fine with it |
| 14:36.31 | tzanger | when you call, announce that it is NOT an emergency and ASK them if they have time to verify the test data |
| 14:36.46 | tzanger | no doubt they'll cut you off and tell you to piss off if they're busy, but it's always nice to ask |
| 14:36.51 | SpaceBass | grood suggestions... thanks guys |
| 14:36.54 | twisted | tzanger, essentially, that's what I'm doing when I ask them "can you" |
| 14:37.01 | tzanger | :-) |
| 14:37.03 | twisted | it's a double loaded question :) |
| 14:37.21 | SpaceBass | i prefer 'look beeeatch, hook me up with the test!" |
| 14:37.23 | tzanger | personally I don't understand how "this is not an emergency" works, because around here they're supposed to dispatch an officer ot the address regardless |
| 14:37.24 | twisted | i've had them say "we're busy, i don't have time" to which a response of "ok, i'll check back later. thank you" |
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| 14:38.16 | sivana | man, I get alot of avoiding IAX2 deadlock |
| 14:38.31 | sivana | is that normal? |
| 14:38.45 | tzanger | sivana: no that's not normal |
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| 14:38.56 | sivana | tzanger: always between tor-hub and nor-sw |
| 14:39.11 | tzanger | the deadlock has nothing to do with the connection |
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| 14:39.23 | sivana | Avoiding IAX destroy deadlock |
| 14:39.27 | sivana | what would it be? |
| 14:40.24 | BladeRunner05 | on debian kernel 2.6 I have compiled right asterisk 1.2.0 but when compiling chan_capi-0.4.0-PRE1 it fails. The complete error is on http://pastebin.com/435564 |
| 14:40.37 | SpaceBass | how can I find the "back end" number for our local 911? |
| 14:40.53 | twisted | call and ask? Generally you're not supposed to have that data. |
| 14:40.59 | tzanger | SpaceBass: call your local fire department and as for the non-emergency number to test |
| 14:41.23 | sivana | SpaceBass: or you can call the police department and ask for the 911 backup numbers |
| 14:41.31 | tzanger | in my area the primary PSAP office is in stratford (45min away) |
| 14:42.10 | tzanger | so I called the ambulance dispatch in stratford and asked for the test number... she said she was a dispatcher for 20 years and she'd never heard of such a thing. When I asked her how I shoudl test 911 she said just call it and state pretty much exactly what twisted mentioned above |
| 14:42.16 | tzanger | I haven't done it yet because it rubs me the wrong way |
| 14:42.37 | tzanger | I should call her back and say "How do I test it and NOT troublethe police to come over and check it out, since they always come out and check when you call 911?" |
| 14:42.46 | twisted | tzanger, exactly that way |
| 14:43.00 | twisted | they hit "dispatch" if you hang up, or do not say anything |
| 14:43.04 | SpaceBass | normally I wouldn't care... but my wife bolted up at 5am convenced someone was in the house |
| 14:43.16 | twisted | if you flat out tell them what you're doing, they are required to comply with the test as a test |
| 14:43.23 | SpaceBass | so I dial the intercom on all my cisco phones and just listened... |
| 14:43.27 | sivana | it's so lame... Bell owns the 911 network that was paid by taxpayers but we need to create our own on our dime |
| 14:43.29 | twisted | hi Katty |
| 14:43.38 | Katty | better. |
| 14:43.45 | tzanger | twisted: uh, so what's stopping me from breaking into a house, calling 911 to test and then taking my time with the robbery/assault/murder? |
| 14:43.54 | sivana | heh |
| 14:44.12 | twisted | tzanger, nothing... but any call after that is still treated as an emergency |
| 14:44.43 | SpaceBass | I'm also thinking about an old cell phone and charger by the night stand... probably good if the power went out too |
| 14:45.04 | sivana | SpaceBass: where are you located? |
| 14:45.07 | tzanger | sivana: you're already 6h away, I'm lazy too remember |
| 14:45.12 | sivana | hehe |
| 14:45.13 | SpaceBass | sivana Virginia |
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| 14:45.34 | SpaceBass | Richmond specifically |
| 14:45.35 | sivana | ok.. can't help you there |
| 14:45.54 | sivana | just do an IVR... press 1 for fire, 2 for ambulance :) |
| 14:45.59 | SpaceBass | LOL |
| 14:46.39 | brookshire | press 3 for 'omg bring everything' |
| 14:48.10 | RoyK | sivana: remember, use playback, not background, and speak slllooowwwllyyy |
| 14:48.24 | JonR800 | lol |
| 14:48.39 | JonR800 | "For fire...... Press 1.... For police..... Press 2" |
| 14:49.08 | tzanger | with a thick Indian accent too |
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| 14:49.31 | SpaceBass | can we change up the options at least once a week? |
| 14:49.41 | SpaceBass | "please pay attention as our menu may have changed" |
| 14:50.03 | sivana | fire is now 2 and polic is now 1 |
| 14:50.11 | SpaceBass | then I want to hear the tuch tones when ever I am transfered... OH, and its vital that I never get transfered to the right department.. it should take at least 5 menus and 3 call centers |
| 14:50.47 | tzanger | "If your hand has been chopped off mash the keypad with your bloody stump" |
| 14:51.01 | jlewis | anyone want to take a crack at a weird IAX #transfer issue before I post it to *-users? |
| 14:51.07 | jlewis | http://pastebin.ca/29960 |
| 14:51.54 | mut | anyone here use freeradius? |
| 14:52.11 | ikarus | hmmmmm, gah, reminds me, I need to toss in 112 functionality, and outgoing line busy reporting |
| 14:52.22 | SpaceBass | i cannot get radius for wireless to work at all... sticking with WPA2 |
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| 14:52.31 | hhoffman | yep |
| 14:53.00 | BroederA | gcc can't be found. Have installed packages I found with apt-cache search gcc.. what have I to do else? |
| 14:53.32 | tzanger | jlewis: it sounds like asteriskC always native-bridges... not sure why there |
| 14:53.32 | ikarus | I wonder if I should make 112 use a bust through, or if I should throw in a generic analog card and hook it up to our spare analog line (which is there because of ADSL) |
| 14:53.39 | iDunno | apt-get install build-essential |
| 14:53.56 | BroederA | no results iDunno, also not with apt-cache search.. |
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| 14:54.03 | jlewis | tzanger: yeah...notransfer=yes doesn't appear to stop the native bridging |
| 14:54.06 | tzafrir_laptop | BroederA, what system is it? |
| 14:54.19 | tzanger | jlewis: I suggest you totally simplify and try to create a clearer message |
| 14:54.23 | tzanger | that was very difficult to follow |
| 14:54.42 | jlewis | but even if I stop it from native bridging, there's the issue of the called party having no context available for transfering to |
| 14:54.43 | tzanger | notranfer does not stop native transfers, it stops the box from dropping out of the loop if both sides can see each other without hte middle's help |
| 14:54.44 | BroederA | uname -a gives: Linux rapid 2.6.8-2-686 #1 Thu May 19 17:53:30 JST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux (it is a debian + asterisk dist) |
| 14:55.01 | tzanger | jlewis: that has nothing to do with differing codecs |
| 14:55.04 | tzanger | that's another issue again |
| 14:55.13 | tzanger | which 1.0.x are you using? |
| 14:55.17 | tzafrir_laptop | if you want to install build tools, simply add a standard debian source. run 'apt-setup' |
| 14:55.23 | tzanger | and have you tried 1.2 or CVS head? That will be the first question |
| 14:55.28 | tzafrir_laptop | BroederA, however what would you need gcc for? |
| 14:55.35 | jlewis | most of the servers involved are actually cvs stable snapshots |
| 14:55.53 | jlewis | haven't tried head or 1.2 |
| 14:55.57 | BroederA | tzafrir_laptop: to install isdn4 utils |
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| 14:56.15 | tzafrir_laptop | BroederA, aren't they part of standard Debian |
| 14:56.16 | tzafrir_laptop | ? |
| 14:56.40 | jlewis | the weird thing, and part of the reason the message is so long is, it works as expected if the call comes from a local sip client...but not if it comes in via IAX |
| 14:56.46 | BroederA | tzafrir_laptop: I think not because non of the tools I can run.. |
| 14:56.47 | tzafrir_laptop | I also wonder if chan_capi isn't a better option. which card is it? |
| 14:57.40 | BroederA | tzafrir_laptop: I'm a noob so that is the main problem, I've spend much time to install a ISA Eicon Diva 2.01 (BRI) card |
| 14:57.57 | tzanger | jlewis: as I said you're going to have to try and isolate this a lot better, maybe include some debug output on asteriskC and such... but your first reply will be "have you tried with 1.2 or CVS HEAD" |
| 14:58.00 | tzafrir_laptop | BroederA, I left the isdn utils out because I could not find anybody who actually used chan_modem for ISDN |
| 14:58.06 | tzanger | so you may want to head that off at the pass |
| 14:58.53 | jlewis | is it normal/expected for asteriskC to not notice a #transfer when native bridging between 2 IAX2 channels? |
| 14:59.04 | BroederA | tzafrir_laptop: can you help me a little |
| 14:59.15 | tzafrir_laptop | BroederA, could you point me to some setup instructions? |
| 14:59.28 | zoa | jlewis, you are the person who sent us an email ? |
| 14:59.33 | jlewis | ah...I hadn't seen that 1.2 is officially out now |
| 14:59.46 | jlewis | zoa: ? |
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| 15:02.38 | BroederA | tzafrir_laptop: in the asterisk console I get the message No channel type registered for 'CAPI' |
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| 15:06.06 | Skymarshal | Hi, is there an easy way to compile asterisk without openssl? |
| 15:06.08 | chapeaurouge | what's a good mobo for asterisk, planning that i will have a TTDM2400P in there? |
| 15:07.00 | asterboy | asterisk has to have openssl? |
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| 15:07.33 | Skymarshal | asterboy: you can't compile it without openssl-devel, zlib-devel, etc. |
| 15:07.53 | asterboy | interesting. |
| 15:09.00 | RoyK | chan_iax2 needs it |
| 15:09.26 | asterboy | then there won't be any easy way to compile without it. |
| 15:09.27 | RoyK | because someone has started to write crypto to iax |
| 15:09.41 | RoyK | but haven't finished it, though |
| 15:09.46 | RoyK | asterboy: just install it |
| 15:10.07 | asterboy | ya, I had it already...was wondering for Skymarshal |
| 15:10.48 | tzafrir_laptop | BroederA, no channel type "CAPI": when you try to use chan_capi? |
| 15:11.03 | Skymarshal | I am writing a book about this. And I want to show a very very simple example. in this example I don't need IAX. but all people have to install a lot of software just to compile this feature they don't need. I'd like to keep it as simple as possible. |
| 15:11.09 | BroederA | tzafrir_laptop: I think so |
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| 15:11.46 | limepickle | hi does anyone have a list of feature codes for the asterisk? |
| 15:12.24 | [TK]D-Fender | ~docs |
| 15:12.26 | jbot | it has been said that docs is probably Documentation can be found at http://www.digium.com/index.php?menu=documentation or http://www.digium.com/handbook-draft.pdf or http://www.voip-info.org/wiki-Asterisk or http://www.asteriskdocs.org or http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/asterisk or http://www.asteriskguru.com |
| 15:12.38 | asterboy | I have not used any browser frontend for * yet, but I imagine that openssl would be a better choice when administrating over Internet, don't want those passwords clear text. |
| 15:13.27 | asterboy | limepickle: try a "codec" search on http://voip-info.org |
| 15:13.39 | limepickle | thanks |
| 15:15.38 | BroederA | tzafrir_laptop: is it an option to speak in #xorcom-rapid ? |
| 15:19.44 | limepickle | nope, i can't find owt |
| 15:20.03 | limepickle | anyone got a list of 'feature codes' for asterisk? |
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| 15:20.42 | jontow | look at /etc/asterisk/features.conf to start, limepickle. |
| 15:20.43 | RoyK | jbot_: ping |
| 15:20.51 | RoyK | ~ping |
| 15:20.52 | jbot | pong |
| 15:20.59 | RoyK | ~lart himself |
| 15:21.00 | bbz | Would anyone here be interested in some Polycom 501 phones? We got stuck w/ an extra 20 after a project, and we need to unload them at cost, $165/ea -- if anyone is interested PST me, i have a reference in the channel if you need. -- |
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| 15:21.11 | fugitivo | is any way to control the volume of native moh? |
| 15:21.35 | jontow | fugitivo; yes, in musiconhold.conf |
| 15:21.41 | jontow | you have things like loud: quiet: etc |
| 15:21.53 | fugitivo | for native too? |
| 15:22.04 | jontow | i missed that; apologies |
| 15:22.33 | fugitivo | there's no way for native, right? |
| 15:22.42 | jontow | not sure; haven't played with it :/ |
| 15:23.28 | RoyK | native sucks |
| 15:23.34 | jontow | hehe |
| 15:23.39 | jontow | mpg123 kinda sucks too, admittedly |
| 15:23.53 | fugitivo | i like the idea of not having an external program for moh |
| 15:23.54 | RoyK | natve just starts playing the same file every time someone queues up |
| 15:23.58 | RoyK | better use sox or something |
| 15:24.01 | fugitivo | less disk space :) |
| 15:24.04 | [TK]D-Fender | RoyK : Why does Native suck? |
| 15:24.12 | [TK]D-Fender | nm |
| 15:24.17 | RoyK | see above |
| 15:24.22 | [TK]D-Fender | I saw.... |
| 15:25.00 | RoyK | the telco from which we're getting our PRI has a MoH that works like that |
| 15:25.09 | RoyK | same bloody song starting when i dial them |
| 15:25.14 | wasim | telehor? |
| 15:25.29 | RoyK | wasim: priority telecom/upc |
| 15:25.32 | fugitivo | well, it's a good idea if you use a message and not a song |
| 15:25.51 | fugitivo | so all customers can listen the message from the start |
| 15:26.06 | jontow | what i hate is the break-in every 15 seconds "We appreciate your call.. now we're gonna talk to you and cut out the eagles playing hotel california just to piss you off.. thank you!" |
| 15:26.24 | fugitivo | "hotel california" lol |
| 15:26.39 | Pete_Largo | hotel california - like voice mail jail :) |
| 15:26.59 | MikeJ[Laptop] | you can use streamplayer or raw player for MOH too... |
| 15:27.01 | Pete_Largo | do it RoyK do it do it do it |
| 15:27.09 | potsboy | hi all, has anybody come up with a way to monitor a queue conversion by agentid-timestamp-uniqueid rather than uniqueid? |
| 15:27.17 | limepickle | thanks jontow! |
| 15:28.17 | Zeeek | hi boyz |
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| 15:29.28 | limepickle | i'm after a list of * codes, sorry jontow, theres jack in the features.conf |
| 15:29.43 | limepickle | you know eg *43 = echo test etc. |
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| 15:33.01 | fugitivo | native moh is too quiet |
| 15:33.16 | jontow | limepickle; you define those in extensions.conf (the dialplan) |
| 15:33.23 | jontow | there aren't really any configured 'by default' |
| 15:33.42 | limepickle | aha ok, now i see ok |
| 15:34.03 | jontow | thats why i pointed you to features.conf .. i fully understood your question ;) |
| 15:34.08 | limepickle | only in week 2 of asterisk you see, my head hurts!!! |
| 15:34.22 | jontow | i remember that period well ;) |
| 15:34.37 | limepickle | bye for now, ty |
| 15:34.42 | jontow | very welcome |
| 15:34.45 | Pete_Largo | limepickle, it gets worse from there :) |
| 15:35.02 | Pete_Largo | oh hell, too late... |
| 15:35.11 | jontow | yeah.. didn't have the heart to say that, myself :D |
| 15:35.38 | Pete_Largo | no use letting someone think it gets better |
| 15:35.56 | jontow | heheh :D |
| 15:38.21 | [TK]D-Fender | *sigh* Poor schmuck |
| 15:41.32 | Zeeek | so what d'you guys and gals appreciate the most about 1.2? |
| 15:41.49 | Katty | i'm not using it yet |
| 15:42.06 | Zeeek | it's great with soy milk tho! |
| 15:42.19 | jontow | nor am i -- most of my machines are running CVS HEAD |
| 15:42.43 | Zeeek | jontow so nothing came as a surprise to you ;) |
| 15:42.59 | jontow | not particularly :) |
| 15:43.07 | jontow | i needed a lot of features that 1.0.x couldn't give me without backporting |
| 15:43.14 | Zeeek | such as ? |
| 15:43.15 | jontow | so i just stabilized a branch of HEAD for my own use |
| 15:43.27 | jontow | database backend for certain files |
| 15:43.30 | synthetiq | how would i go about sotring/reading voicemail on another server and not the local server |
| 15:43.33 | jontow | (selective Realtime, more or less) |
| 15:43.39 | synthetiq | storing |
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| 15:43.46 | jontow | synthetiq; most people try to use NFS for that -- kinda sucks but it works well enough, i've heard |
| 15:43.51 | jontow | locking over NFS kinda .. well.. ick. |
| 15:44.03 | jontow | could always try AFS, Coda, or SMBFS if you're brave. |
| 15:44.10 | jontow | i don't know what benefits you'd get out of it though |
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| 15:44.41 | fugitivo | if you're brave, you could try gfs for a cluster :) |
| 15:44.44 | synthetiq | ahh crud |
| 15:44.56 | jontow | what'd you expect? VoicemailFS? |
| 15:44.57 | jontow | ;) |
| 15:45.10 | Zeeek | they have that |
| 15:45.12 | jontow | hahahahaha |
| 15:45.13 | fugitivo | gfs + san + fibre channel |
| 15:45.16 | Zeeek | it's called SMTP |
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| 15:46.02 | Zeeek | thanks to an asshole fax spammer, I now know that the newest spandsp and rxfax work as well as the older ones |
| 15:46.25 | fugitivo | Zeeek: which one is the newest? |
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| 15:46.39 | Zeeek | ummmmm 21c I think - I'll go look |
| 15:48.15 | Zeeek | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:48.32 | Zeeek | pre21c is the one I used |
| 15:48.44 | fugitivo | i'm not going to upgrade it, it's working for me :) |
| 15:48.45 | Zeeek | txfax wasn't compiling but since I don't use it, I removed that from the Make |
| 15:49.03 | Zeeek | I think the upgrade had to happen to be used with 1.2 |
| 15:49.34 | Zeeek | 03pre6 is the bleeding edge |
| 15:50.13 | fugitivo | i think i'm using pre20 with 1.2 |
| 15:50.26 | Zeeek | if it works, why not? |
| 15:50.46 | Zeeek | I'm always hoping it'll be able to read faxes from more machines |
| 15:51.01 | Zeeek | the spam gets through always, but my customers faxes don't :( |
| 15:51.25 | fugitivo | what hardware are you using? |
| 15:51.32 | Zeeek | X100P |
| 15:51.44 | Zeeek | a real Digium (tm) one |
| 15:53.04 | fugitivo | i'm using a clone, and i haven't had any problem with fax "yet" |
| 15:53.04 | Zeeek | depends a lot on the fax machine you're trying to talk to |
| 15:53.04 | benjk | is oej here? |
| 15:53.18 | Zeeek | he went home to feed the gnu |
| 15:53.37 | benjk | too bad |
| 15:53.40 | tzanger | if I'm passing an array of structure pointers in a function, how do I declare that? |
| 15:53.55 | tzanger | struct mystruc **sary isn't right, and neither is *sary[] |
| 15:54.20 | tzanger | perhaps (struct mystruc *)sary[] ? |
| 15:57.19 | Zeeek | I was getting messages yesterday about not finding the 'beep' sound. Ah, this is because I didn't get the soundz... |
| 15:57.34 | Zeeek | aha |
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| 16:17.15 | syzygyBSD | is there a version of 1.2 that works yet? |
| 16:18.28 | syzygyBSD | sorry, I meant with ulaw |
| 16:19.05 | Math` | a version of ulaw that works? |
| 16:19.55 | syzygyBSD | or G.729 rather |
| 16:20.08 | Math` | yeah but you need to pay the licenses |
| 16:21.22 | syzygyBSD | well I think I will just downgrade to 1.0.9 because that works flawlessly |
| 16:22.07 | Math` | you need licenses for 1.0.9 too..... |
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| 16:22.46 | syzygyBSD | well then licenses arn't what is broken in 1.2, thanks for trying |
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| 16:23.43 | syzygyBSD | sorry, in kinda a pissy mood this morning, roomates kept me up till 4am fighting |
| 16:24.23 | Katty | i just stay pissed off i think ;) |
| 16:24.47 | twisted[asteria] | you? |
| 16:24.59 | yxa | why isnt chan_sccp in CVS? just curious |
| 16:26.44 | MRH2 | damn v-1-2-0 just segfaulted |
| 16:26.52 | gambolputty | how? |
| 16:26.52 | gambolputty | why? |
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| 16:29.50 | bancus | Does anyone else ever have problems with standard phone systems not recognizing tones sent via Asterisk/SIP? |
| 16:29.57 | tzanger | nope |
| 16:30.03 | bancus | It only happens on some systems, others detect the tones just fine. |
| 16:30.10 | tzanger | make sure your carrier isn't using inband signaling with a voice codec |
| 16:31.04 | oej | bancus: I've heard of that problem in one installation, we're still looking for the cause |
| 16:31.17 | oej | bancus. But that was when we received DTMF |
| 16:31.29 | bancus | oeq: anything I can do to collaborate with you on that? |
| 16:31.52 | oej | Evening File |
| 16:31.59 | file | or morning. |
| 16:32.08 | MRH2 | hmmm nothing looks out of order |
| 16:32.10 | bancus | (The outgoing provider is Broadvoice, if that makes any difference.) |
| 16:32.12 | syzygyBSD | ya, where are you at oej? |
| 16:32.20 | oej | I'm in Sweden |
| 16:32.42 | syzygyBSD | so evening it is |
| 16:33.05 | file | jbot: botsnack |
| 16:33.05 | jbot | :), file |
| 16:33.08 | bancus | late night/earlier morning |
| 16:33.40 | bancus | or, no |
| 16:33.41 | bancus | heh |
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| 16:35.37 | MRH2 | anyone know that this means kernel: mtrr: type mismatch for fd000000,800000 old: uncachable new: write-combining |
| 16:36.41 | MRH2 | na thats not it... |
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| 16:37.50 | oej | bancus: What I did was to install ASterisk 1.2 with DTMF logging, so we could relate the dtmf logging with other logs and try to catch the callers that sent no dtmf... |
| 16:38.18 | oej | bancus: But for some - to me unknown - reason, it doesn't happen as frequently on 1.2, so we're still waiting to catch those calls. |
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| 16:41.28 | trixter | maybe its just me but I am getting sick of the increasing number of people advertising the next new big voip thing which is FREE! and you look into it and its nothing more than free sip to sip on their network only and no one outside of their network and no pstn and blah blah blah ... there have been at least 5 such press releases this week by different companies |
| 16:42.23 | gambolputty | can you show this web link for free calls? |
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| 16:42.57 | trixter | its like snoy that just anounced today, its IP only and only to other sony customers ... its not to anyone else, but they market as free voip! |
| 16:43.32 | gambolputty | imagine instead a free voip phone call not dependent on anyone's network, endpoints contact each other directly, everyone is their own provider |
| 16:43.36 | trixter | which makes things like www.trxtel.com seem less important becuase trxtel does free voip (in testing) but trxtel does it to the pstn and people wont realize that because people like snoy are confusing it with their PR |
| 16:44.06 | trixter | gambol: sounds like enum.org or dundi in the grand scheme of things |
| 16:46.33 | syzygyBSD | I have free voip with ptsn |
| 16:46.44 | syzygyBSD | well, free to me (as in beer) |
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| 16:52.55 | Druken | trixter: you can have free sip to sip calling on my network if you like... i'll even throw in 1 pstn call a month for ya :) |
| 16:54.05 | *** join/#asterisk ramtha (n=ramtha@p508896FD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 16:54.08 | ramtha | peace |
| 16:54.31 | trixter | well that depends on the software you use for the end point, I dont know if sony is using sip or not, that was an example.. take skype it uses their own thing, I just dont like people marketing voip as IP only because then when you try to market voip as IP or pstn you have to try to convince people that its not this great new thing they just read about |
| 16:54.48 | ramtha | somebody knows a solution for this? i wnat to publish a phone call between 2 peers over internet live stream |
| 16:56.35 | trixter | a nice module to write would be a shoutcast stream of live data (mixed of course) |
| 16:56.52 | trixter | that would make some other projects less ghetto :/ |
| 16:57.38 | fugitivo | maybe monitoring the call and streaming the recorded file with icecast or something like that? |
| 16:58.03 | file | call file, chan_local, app_chanspy, app_ices |
| 16:58.21 | ramtha | must i use the reorcd option to record the file or is there something else? |
| 16:59.20 | fugitivo | ramtha: monitor or mixmonitor, but maybe file has a better solution |
| 17:00.16 | ramtha | ok thx |
| 17:01.11 | Inkubot | why with an ata can't dial, for example to 123* |
| 17:01.35 | fugitivo | Inkubot: because the ata thinks * is for something else |
| 17:02.22 | Inkubot | mmm... let me try one thing.. |
| 17:02.29 | Druken | trixter: all asterisk all the time baby |
| 17:02.33 | *** join/#asterisk NirS (n=nirs@84.94.40.3.cable.012.net.il) |
| 17:02.39 | Inkubot | i'm going to put the default dialplan of the ata.. to see whats going on |
| 17:03.09 | trixter | fugitive: you have to mix the channels, and you cant guarantee that it will stream properly :( cause like sox for example can mix the channels faster than they would be played |
| 17:03.18 | trixter | so it will take some special coding to get around that |
| 17:03.49 | fugitivo | trixter: doesn't mixmonitor already do that? |
| 17:04.09 | trixter | it might, thought you just said monitor though |
| 17:04.39 | *** join/#asterisk bweschke (n=bweschke@pcp09754274pcs.narlington.nj.comcast.net) |
| 17:04.50 | fugitivo | yes, i said monitor or mixmonitor :) |
| 17:05.01 | fugitivo | so only mixmonitor |
| 17:06.08 | Inkubot | don't work :\ |
| 17:06.35 | *** join/#asterisk lesouvage (n=lesouvag@cc341200-a.assen1.dr.home.nl) |
| 17:06.48 | Inkubot | and i have two diferents ata |
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| 17:07.03 | Inkubot | and with both it's the same |
| 17:07.07 | fugitivo | Inkubot: check the ata config to see if you can change what * do |
| 17:07.25 | trixter | ahh yeah that was a couple lines later, I didnt see that when I typed my response |
| 17:07.26 | trixter | :) |
| 17:08.13 | Inkubot | i only put this in the dialplan of the ata 123*|123** |
| 17:08.24 | Inkubot | if it doesn't work.. i don't know what could be |
| 17:08.41 | Inkubot | nothing |
| 17:08.49 | fugitivo | what ata? |
| 17:09.16 | syzygyBSD | Inkubot: can I see your extensions.conf? |
| 17:09.22 | Inkubot | cisco ata 186 and a linksys pap2 |
| 17:09.53 | fugitivo | Inkubot: let me check my pap2 config |
| 17:10.00 | Inkubot | ok.. thanks :) |
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| 17:10.28 | trixter | http://osx86project.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=67&Itemid=2 for the intel mac fans here |
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| 17:11.03 | Inkubot | now works |
| 17:11.05 | Inkubot | ! |
| 17:11.09 | Inkubot | damn.. |
| 17:11.20 | Inkubot | but works with the cisco ata |
| 17:11.27 | Inkubot | i'm going to check the linksys |
| 17:12.27 | Inkubot | the linksys is the problem.. :D |
| 17:13.08 | syzygyBSD | funny they are the same company |
| 17:13.56 | Inkubot | yeps |
| 17:13.58 | Inkubot | but the dialplan is different |
| 17:14.11 | Inkubot | fugitivo: it's my dialplan |
| 17:14.36 | Zeeek | god it's cold here! fortunately i have an iaxy to heat the bedroom :) |
| 17:15.07 | Qwell | Zeeek: just run Gentoo |
| 17:15.12 | fugitivo | Zeeek: good for you, my notebook is dying here, too hot :) |
| 17:15.17 | lesouvage | Zeeek: that sound desperate |
| 17:15.22 | nfi|ermes | ast_expr.y:486 ast_yyerror: ast_yyerror(): syntax error: syntax error; Input: |
| 17:15.27 | fugitivo | and my notebook is running gentoo |
| 17:15.38 | Zeeek | nfi|ermes too many spaces |
| 17:15.41 | Druken | Zeeek: hehe got one of the older iaxy's? |
| 17:15.53 | Zeeek | Druken yep, works great though |
| 17:15.54 | nfi|ermes | Zeeek, where ? |
| 17:15.59 | Zeeek | in the line |
| 17:16.33 | nfi|ermes | ? |
| 17:16.36 | Druken | Zeeek: i can have the heat off, and it'll still be at least 10 C above what it is outside in my house |
| 17:16.47 | Zeeek | nfi|ermes the line with the error |
| 17:17.12 | nfi|ermes | why too many spaces ? |
| 17:17.12 | lesouvage | Zeek: I think she;he means where are you getting woarm by the heat of the digium ata |
| 17:17.24 | Zeeek | btw I can never get the iaxy to pickup using *8 - is that normal? |
| 17:17.30 | Inkubot | it's funny |
| 17:17.35 | nfi|ermes | i ve done copy and pasted here the problem line |
| 17:17.36 | Inkubot | the same dialplan for both lines |
| 17:17.51 | Inkubot | but only the first works.. |
| 17:18.18 | Zeeek | nfi|ermes does the line have stuff like If, ={D( in it? |
| 17:18.23 | gongoputch | is FreeBSD a popular choice for running asterisk? |
| 17:18.33 | Zeeek | no but it's a great os |
| 17:19.00 | nfi|ermes | noh |
| 17:19.07 | fugitivo | "popular" ") |
| 17:19.09 | fugitivo | :) |
| 17:19.10 | gongoputch | is it a '2nd class citezen' as far as asterisk support? |
| 17:19.19 | Zeeek | usually that error comes from bad spaces |
| 17:19.35 | nfi|ermes | Nov 21 18:17:55 WARNING[1656]: ast_expr.y:486 ast_yyerror: ast_yyerror(): syntax error: syntax error; Input: |
| 17:19.35 | nfi|ermes | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:19.36 | Zeeek | it just isn't well maintained and the hardware support is IIRC limited |
| 17:19.36 | fugitivo | gongoputch: :) |
| 17:19.59 | gongoputch | ah, |
| 17:20.00 | Zeeek | nfi|ermes you need to find the offending line of the dialplan |
| 17:20.07 | gongoputch | I hate running linux. |
| 17:20.12 | Zeeek | do that using a NoOp to print where you are |
| 17:20.21 | fugitivo | gongoputch: if you want good hardware support, use linux |
| 17:20.25 | Zeeek | linux is hard to get used to after FreeBSD |
| 17:20.36 | fugitivo | gongoputch: i'd like to run asterisk on openbsd, but i can't :( |
| 17:20.40 | lesouvage | gongoputch: i think whe you are looking for fast support from this channel linux is the best choice |
| 17:20.42 | Zeeek | but, hey, I needed linux to run asterisk so I installed that |
| 17:20.42 | gongoputch | Zeeek: yea, tell me about it |
| 17:20.46 | syzygyBSD | it isnt' that bad if you run them in parallel |
| 17:21.00 | Zeeek | no it's just remembering where all the shit is :=) |
| 17:21.12 | Zeeek | PLUS the asterisk stuff |
| 17:21.22 | Inkubot | i use asterisk in a linux box.. and in front the asterisk a oBSD with pf enable :) |
| 17:21.37 | gongoputch | Zeeek: right |
| 17:21.44 | Zeeek | nfi|ermes did you understand what to do? |
| 17:22.04 | gongoputch | the current version in the ports is 1.0.9, is that terribly old? |
| 17:22.17 | Zeeek | what is 586 and 686? I thought 686 was Pentium IV ? |
| 17:22.45 | Zeeek | what is a Pentium III ? I would have said 586? |
| 17:22.55 | Ahrimanes | pIII = 686 |
| 17:23.15 | Zeeek | ok, thx - looking at the new g729 mods |
| 17:23.30 | *** join/#asterisk graphyx (n=mike@67.50.46.118) |
| 17:24.08 | rajiv | how can i enable transfers via flash but not via # ? |
| 17:24.14 | graphyx | any way to prevent the dial macro from clobbering the SetCalledID command outside of a re-write of the macro? |
| 17:24.41 | Zeeek | rajiv features.conf |
| 17:25.05 | gongoputch | is OS X supported |
| 17:25.07 | gongoputch | ? |
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| 17:25.22 | Zeeek | sure |
| 17:25.54 | rajiv | Zeeek: all i see there is transferdigittimeout |
| 17:25.58 | rajiv | running 1.0.9 |
| 17:26.08 | nfi|ermes | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:26.09 | nfi|ermes | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:26.09 | nfi|ermes | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:26.16 | Druken | anyone feel like calling a uk number for 5 mins for me? |
| 17:27.03 | Zeeek | rajiv look in the configs/features.conf.sample |
| 17:27.21 | nfi|ermes | ;include => app-directory |
| 17:27.21 | nfi|ermes | exten => s,1,GotoIf($[${DIALSTATUS} = ANSWER]?4) ; |
| 17:27.21 | nfi|ermes | exten => s,2,Answer() ; |
| 17:27.21 | nfi|ermes | exten => s,3,Wait(1) ; |
| 17:27.21 | nfi|ermes | exten => s,4,Set(DIR-CONTEXT=general) |
| 17:27.23 | Zeeek | Druken do we have to talk or is there some pr0n voice? |
| 17:27.44 | nfi|ermes | is there anythink is not ok with cvs version? |
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| 17:27.54 | rajiv | Zeeek: that file is identical to the one i have in /etc/asterisk/ |
| 17:28.05 | Zeeek | nfi|ermes Usually it's SPACES (ahem as I said four times ,now) in the s,1 line |
| 17:28.26 | Druken | Zeeek: i could always throw it into musiconhold :) |
| 17:29.38 | Zeeek | you have a problem with calls dropping at the five minute mark? |
| 17:29.56 | gongoputch | I don't see OS X bins on the site, and dports doesn't have it, how does one get asterisk for OS X ? |
| 17:30.00 | Druken | nah... didx.org |
| 17:30.08 | Zeeek | Ewwwwwwww |
| 17:30.14 | Druken | but never mind.. i don't really need the test :) |
| 17:30.16 | fugitivo | gongoputch: make |
| 17:30.17 | darkskiez | does anyone ever have FXS ports on their TDM400 cards go dead? |
| 17:30.18 | Zeeek | hahah |
| 17:30.28 | Druken | Zeeek: don't like didx.org ? |
| 17:30.30 | devonst17 | gongoputch: I have a binary... cant remember where I got it |
| 17:30.34 | Zeeek | darkskiez YES it's happened |
| 17:30.44 | fugitivo | darkskiez: i had fxo modules dead, had to restart the machine |
| 17:30.55 | Druken | fugitivo: all the time |
| 17:30.56 | darkskiez | i find reloading the module works |
| 17:31.02 | Zeeek | darkskiez - it definitely can happen if you unplug a phone from one while asterisk is running |
| 17:31.16 | fugitivo | darkskiez: not for me, only restart worked |
| 17:31.17 | darkskiez | well, i get it on two phones in particular, they arent used that often |
| 17:31.23 | Zeeek | very occasionally I've had no dial tone |
| 17:31.34 | gongoputch | fugitivo: so, it is a "source build" on OS X ... well THAT'll keep the Mac folks out! |
| 17:31.37 | darkskiez | the phone still rings, but it doesnt seem to recognise the pickup |
| 17:31.40 | Zeeek | sounds like a bad relay :) |
| 17:32.07 | darkskiez | so no dial tone is given, and it keeps ringing after pickup |
| 17:32.08 | Druken | imoho, the tdm 400p fxs modules blow ass |
| 17:32.11 | fugitivo | gongoputch: lot of people will tell you to compile asterisk, not use binaries |
| 17:32.42 | gongoputch | fugitivo: I compile everthing in 'production' ... but I just wanted to kick the tires. |
| 17:33.09 | fugitivo | gongoputch: well, you can make a package for osx if there isn't any :) |
| 17:33.14 | Hmmhesays | is there any way I can make asterisk send back a 404 message if I reach a certain point in the dialplan? |
| 17:33.15 | gongoputch | fugitivo: But ... "make install" is NOT good software management |
| 17:34.17 | rajiv | Zeeek: are you thinking perhaps of an option in 1.2 that is not in 1.0.9 ? |
| 17:34.22 | fugitivo | gongoputch: i know |
| 17:35.08 | *** part/#asterisk graphyx (n=mike@67.50.46.118) |
| 17:35.11 | gongoputch | fugitivo: export PREFIX=/opt is the best 'defense', I guess .... |
| 17:37.02 | *** part/#asterisk darkskiez (n=darkskie@194.247.78.146) |
| 17:37.13 | lesouvage | gongoputch: If you want to do it the easy way install xorcom rapid (www.xorcom.com) and go from there. |
| 17:38.26 | gongoputch | ah, debian is prolly the linux I wouldchoose too. Thanks |
| 17:38.51 | bbz | Would anyone here be interested in some Polycom 501 phones? We got stuck w/ an extra 20 after a project, and we need to unload them at cost, $165/ea -- if anyone is interested PST me, i have a reference in the channel if you need. -- |
| 17:39.24 | wunderkin | interested? yes, money? no |
| 17:39.45 | *** join/#asterisk ful|work (n=fulgas@209.8.233.245) |
| 17:39.49 | azzie | atacomm.com sells them for $169, so why bother for $4 savings? :-) |
| 17:39.50 | gongoputch | is there a list of compatible soft phone softwares anywhere? |
| 17:40.08 | bbz | azzie: to help a guy out =/ |
| 17:40.52 | Zeeek | bbz how do you like the 501? |
| 17:41.05 | bancus | are there any SIP phones that come with 802.11? |
| 17:41.27 | syzygyBSD | I am trying to get a 501 to work with 1.2 right now and it isn't going so well |
| 17:41.42 | syzygyBSD | mainly just dtmf tones arn't working after the initial dial |
| 17:42.04 | bbz | Zeeek: the 501's are superb, i have a 600 on my desk, and aside from a few options, there isnt alot of difference |
| 17:42.55 | *** join/#asterisk apardo (n=apardo@216.Red-83-41-19.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 17:43.52 | syzygyBSD | anyone have any idea why DTMF tones won't come through on sip lines? They will on my sipura if I hold them down longer. (when dialed to eachother the tones sound fine) |
| 17:43.53 | [TK]D-Fender | Best selling features of IP 600 = PoE native, and the microbrowser |
| 17:44.03 | lesouvage | gonngoputch: sjphone on windows workss ok, Xlite ont macosx or wndows is also ok |
| 17:44.19 | [TK]D-Fender | thats what sold me on them.... and I'm happy with the 26 I got for my company :) |
| 17:44.22 | syzygyBSD | I had someone point me to http://bugs.digium.com/view.php?id=5780 but it looks like that is just for 7529 |
| 17:45.53 | lesouvage | syzygyBSD: try dtmf outbound, maybe that's the solution. |
| 17:46.48 | syzygyBSD | can you explain a little more? |
| 17:47.22 | lesouvage | syzygyBSD: give me a minute |
| 17:47.23 | syzygyBSD | asterisk doesn't catch the tones for voicemail, or well anything |
| 17:47.27 | [TK]D-Fender | syzygyBSD : What DTMF setting are you using in SIP.CONF? |
| 17:47.43 | gongoputch | lesouvage: thanks |
| 17:48.17 | syzygyBSD | inband |
| 17:48.18 | [TK]D-Fender | syzygyBSD : You should be using RFC2833 |
| 17:48.21 | syzygyBSD | ok |
| 17:48.23 | syzygyBSD | thanks |
| 17:48.30 | [TK]D-Fender | reload and I'm sure your woes will disappear |
| 17:48.45 | syzygyBSD | last time i copy configuration files |
| 17:49.39 | [TK]D-Fender | Good idea :) |
| 17:50.00 | lesouvage | [TK]D-Fender: what is the advantage of TFC2833 above outbound. (I try to learn everyday) |
| 17:51.02 | [TK]D-Fender | Its just a question of what the phones supports for DTMF notification. I don't know the particulars very well, but enough to know what WORKS for the models I've used :) |
| 17:51.37 | file | inband dtmf actually sends the DTMF tones as audio |
| 17:52.30 | file | rfc2833 dtmf sends DTMF as a separate packet in the audio stream (but not as audio) |
| 17:52.41 | file | info dtmf sends DTMF as a separate packet in the signalling stream |
| 17:53.10 | file | and then there's notify but we don't support it |
| 17:53.23 | ikarus | Hmmmm, what kind of algorithm does Asterisk use to extract inband DTMF ? |
| 17:55.12 | rajiv | how do i know if i want rfc2833 or info ? |
| 17:55.23 | file | rfc2833 is what most stuff uses |
| 17:56.39 | docelmo | YAY! |
| 17:56.40 | rajiv | what is relaxdtmf ? |
| 17:56.42 | docelmo | :) |
| 17:57.08 | trixter | rfc2833 is generally immune to jitter problems that can cause missed or double dtmf too |
| 17:57.16 | trixter | and for that reason is generally better to use if available |
| 17:57.20 | trixter | not all providers support it though |
| 17:57.38 | file | rajiv: relaxdtmf causes the DSP stuff to be more easy on what it detects to be DTMF |
| 17:57.46 | file | just avoid inband though, just like yeah avoid it |
| 17:57.55 | [TK]D-Fender | Relaxdtmf is for analog / inband use for when your dtmf source is "flakey" |
| 17:58.17 | [TK]D-Fender | inband = bottom of the food chain :) |
| 17:58.17 | file | [TK]D-Fender: did your stuff arrive today? |
| 17:58.21 | rajiv | sounds bad. i'd rather replace the equipment |
| 17:58.21 | [TK]D-Fender | not yet! :( |
| 17:58.28 | file | eep |
| 17:58.39 | Zeeek | when I updated to 1.2 suddenly nothing DTMF-related worked without changing to inband |
| 17:58.46 | [TK]D-Fender | It seems to be technically scheduled fortomorrow though so I shouldn't complain yet |
| 17:59.04 | file | [TK]D-Fender: look it up on iship.com, it might give more information |
| 17:59.09 | [TK]D-Fender | Although the anxiety sucks... |
| 17:59.36 | [TK]D-Fender | Nah... just the stress of following/waiting is enough for right now. I do have some wirring to plan anyways or I |
| 17:59.44 | file | lol |
| 17:59.45 | [TK]D-Fender | 'll have nothing to connect any of it to :) |
| 18:00.13 | rajiv | i'm confused about if/when i need to put T in oubound Dial commands. |
| 18:00.14 | [TK]D-Fender | I have a LOT fo drilling to do. |
| 18:00.24 | *** join/#asterisk oej (n=oej@apollo.webway.se) |
| 18:00.26 | [TK]D-Fender | rajiv : what kind of phones are you using? |
| 18:00.41 | rajiv | innomedia 3308, and i also have an fxs port |
| 18:00.48 | rajiv | on a tdm400 card |
| 18:00.49 | [TK]D-Fender | SIP? |
| 18:00.52 | rajiv | ya |
| 18:01.11 | [TK]D-Fender | For SIP phones you shouldn't need "t" for anything |
| 18:01.32 | rajiv | i have exten => _1800NXXXXXX,2,Dial(IAX2/${IAXPRO}/*${EXTEN}) and exten => 208,1,Dial(${HOUSE},20) |
| 18:01.40 | [TK]D-Fender | only for analog where you have to do it inband. |
| 18:01.47 | [TK]D-Fender | AKA TDM400 :/ |
| 18:01.53 | rajiv | i can make a call on the sip phone, transfer it to 208. but not back |
| 18:02.00 | bbsf | Can anyone help with trouble on SIP when using NAT behind firewall? |
| 18:02.09 | [TK]D-Fender | 208 = Analog on TDM400? |
| 18:02.11 | rajiv | yes |
| 18:02.55 | [TK]D-Fender | rajiv : yeah thats a problem.... you could include the "t" on all of your dia commands so that it if ever gets transfered to a TDM400 port it doesn't get stuck there, but that royally sucks... |
| 18:03.15 | [TK]D-Fender | I think I heard there was a way to use hookflash instead to enablee stuff like that |
| 18:03.25 | file | hookflash transfers... ooh |
| 18:03.27 | rajiv | [TK]D-Fender: ya putting that in works. t enables transfer via # and flash |
| 18:03.29 | Zeeek | isn't there a flash key on the phone? |
| 18:03.33 | rajiv | but i want it only via flash |
| 18:03.58 | file | then don't use t |
| 18:04.03 | file | t is only for transfers via # |
| 18:04.06 | rajiv | b/c sometimes you need ot press # and have the tone go to the remote side (esp with fedex) |
| 18:04.11 | [TK]D-Fender | Not sure then... thats why I never recomment TDM400 / 2400 for FXS.... |
| 18:04.13 | rajiv | if i have no t then flash doesn't work |
| 18:04.24 | file | t shouldn't have anything to do with flash |
| 18:04.27 | rajiv | with no t i press flash, hear 3 clicks, and i'm back to the call |
| 18:04.34 | [TK]D-Fender | rajiv : I thnk I heard something about it being in features.conf. |
| 18:04.43 | Zeeek | all our analog phones on TDM400 can transfer using the flash key with no t |
| 18:04.54 | *** join/#asterisk Shoragan (n=shoragan@d072.apm.etc.tu-bs.de) |
| 18:04.59 | file | I *hate* analog |
| 18:05.06 | rajiv | [TK]D-Fender: ahh. maybe i want transfer=yes in _zapata.conf_ |
| 18:05.10 | Zeeek | rajiv some phones allow adjustment for the flash length |
| 18:05.18 | Shoragan | does anyone here use an alcatel omnipcx 4400? |
| 18:05.50 | Corydon-w | Analog phones are spiffy. Analog lines suck |
| 18:06.11 | *** join/#asterisk SplasPood (i=nobody@paravolve.net) |
| 18:06.47 | [TK]D-Fender | Analog = SUCK |
| 18:07.12 | file | analog = TEH SUCK |
| 18:07.34 | [TK]D-Fender | And concensus was achieved! |
| 18:07.40 | [TK]D-Fender | Thus it must be so! |
| 18:07.45 | rajiv | transfer=yes didn't work |
| 18:08.07 | [TK]D-Fender | you probably need to reload * not just "RELOAD" in CLI |
| 18:08.16 | rajiv | ya i restarted * entirely |
| 18:08.20 | [TK]D-Fender | :/ |
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| 18:08.57 | file | suggest going insane. |
| 18:09.18 | rajiv | ugh |
| 18:10.50 | rajiv | i think the flash button on the analog phone is working. it's doing something |
| 18:10.52 | rajiv | just something odd |
| 18:11.40 | file | is it blowing up a small country every time you use it? |
| 18:12.13 | rajiv | i hear 3 quiet clicks, then i get returned to the original call |
| 18:16.11 | rajiv | Debugging enabled on channel Zap/2-1 |
| 18:16.11 | rajiv | << [ TYPE: Null Frame (5) SUBCLASS: N/A (0) ] [Zap/2-1] |
| 18:16.16 | rajiv | when i press flash |
| 18:17.58 | Nugget | http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=168670&cid=14061313 <-- hee |
| 18:19.07 | tzanger | $ cvs diff |
| 18:19.07 | tzanger | cvs [diff aborted]: no such tag d |
| 18:19.10 | tzanger | what the hell does that mean? |
| 18:20.01 | Nugget | trouble. right here in river city. |
| 18:21.07 | rajiv | ah fixed it! |
| 18:21.16 | [TK]D-Fender | wHAT WAS IT? |
| 18:21.17 | rajiv | i added threewaycalling=yes |
| 18:21.17 | rajiv | transfer=yes |
| 18:21.24 | rajiv | in zapata.conf |
| 18:21.39 | rajiv | but i had originally put it at the end after channel=2 |
| 18:21.45 | [TK]D-Fender | :O |
| 18:21.51 | rajiv | moved it to the top before all the channel definitions and it works |
| 18:22.06 | [TK]D-Fender | you = silly! |
| 18:22.44 | bbz | can anyone recommend a good ntp server |
| 18:23.03 | Nivex | pool.ntp.org |
| 18:23.24 | [TK]D-Fender | I concur |
| 18:23.35 | [TK]D-Fender | Its what I use for my Polycom's. |
| 18:23.37 | ian_k | tycho.usno.navy.mil |
| 18:23.38 | rajiv | [TK]D-Fender: heh. in sip.conf, iax.conf, most still is per channel |
| 18:23.46 | rajiv | but in zapata.conf it is not |
| 18:23.55 | [TK]D-Fender | Sure it is.... |
| 18:24.39 | rajiv | doesn't make much sense to me to have threewaycalling=yes in [general] in zapata.conf when fxo ports should have nothing to do with that |
| 18:25.28 | rajiv | i guess i can remove all the T's in my dialplan now |
| 18:25.30 | rajiv | nice |
| 18:26.02 | [TK]D-Fender | Oh, nt in general no, but for each channel you should specify those |
| 18:26.05 | *** join/#asterisk Sedorox (i=brandon@smartserv/cna/Sedorox) |
| 18:26.15 | [TK]D-Fender | "t" is a throwback..... |
| 18:26.28 | rajiv | you mean threewaycalling=yes in each channel ? |
| 18:26.31 | rajiv | in zapata.conf ? |
| 18:26.35 | rajiv | that is exactly what didn't work |
| 18:26.46 | chapeaurouge | screw pastebin.ca... why can't they redirect to the next uri right away, instead of waiting 15 seconds.. damn it. |
| 18:27.44 | [TK]D-Fender | rajiv : in each channel that requires it yeah. Mind you you can do channels in bulk like "channel => 1-3" |
| 18:28.12 | [TK]D-Fender | but when in doubt make everything explicit. It'll save on headaches when you don't see what kind of BS channels can inherit from one another... |
| 18:28.18 | rajiv | ya |
| 18:33.04 | [TK]D-Fender | I got screwed on channel grouping once not having looked closely enough on it. |
| 18:34.24 | *** join/#asterisk pussfeller (n=todd@12.150.129.170) |
| 18:35.43 | rajiv | now how do i do a blind transfer on this analog phone? |
| 18:36.03 | fugitivo | with # ? |
| 18:36.27 | rajiv | without #, without t or T |
| 18:37.52 | [TK]D-Fender | rajiv L if it follows other phone standards, you should be able to hang up while the other side is ringing adn that should make it *blind* |
| 18:38.24 | [TK]D-Fender | file : I just orderd my Sangoma S518 ADSL card :) Things are coming together :D |
| 18:38.30 | rajiv | ah, so i have something like 208 which rings the phone, then goes to vm. and *208 which does directly to vm. |
| 18:38.52 | rajiv | i want to be able to do a blind transfer to *208 from the analog phone and have the calling party hear the entire vm greeting |
| 18:39.06 | rajiv | i guess i could just put a wait(3) at the beginning of *208 ? |
| 18:39.14 | file | [TK]D-Fender: should have gotten me one! |
| 18:39.58 | [TK]D-Fender | You could always call them yourself since you are on such good terms.... maybe get a "sample" for extended "testing" ;) |
| 18:40.16 | file | hehe |
| 18:40.28 | file | good idea |
| 18:41.12 | [TK]D-Fender | yup! I'm chock-full of those... not always good IMPLEMENTATIONS however. Now I just have to sell off my DSL modem and I'm set. |
| 18:44.31 | *** join/#asterisk Renacor (n=kvirc@ip21.farheap.net) |
| 18:45.25 | tzafrir_laptop | Anybody using the POE perl module to connect to the manager API? Any idea how I can get the response to a command I send? |
| 18:45.58 | tzafrir_laptop | any other decent perl interface for the manager API? |
| 18:47.39 | rajiv | is there a separate app for blind xfer? blindxfer => #1 in features.conf is mentioned in http://bugs.digium.com/view.php?id=5717 but the * source doesn't read that anywhere |
| 18:48.06 | *** join/#asterisk robtro (i=rob@unaffiliated/robtro) |
| 18:48.08 | robtro | lol digium |
| 18:48.13 | robtro | srsly |
| 18:48.32 | rajiv | oh maybe that is a 1.2 feature |
| 18:50.03 | rajiv | k guess i'll wait until i upgrade to 1.2 |
| 18:50.04 | rajiv | back l8r |
| 18:51.19 | Renacor | anybody here read the oreilly asterisk book? |
| 18:51.28 | hypa7ia | ya |
| 18:51.31 | hypa7ia | it rocks. |
| 18:52.10 | Corydon-w | Ask blitzrage how much it rocks... |
| 18:53.05 | hypa7ia | haha |
| 18:53.12 | bancus | there's a book? |
| 18:53.44 | robtro | Renacor: lol books |
| 18:53.51 | Druken | RTFM :) |
| 18:54.19 | sivana | Asterisk. Business Edition Digium Professional Version |
| 18:54.25 | sivana | is there different versions now? |
| 18:55.57 | sivana | n/m... heh |
| 18:56.48 | sivana | sometimes it's already out before you realize what you just said :) |
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| 18:57.05 | *** join/#asterisk clive- (n=pirch@ndn-165-142-146.telkomadsl.co.za) |
| 18:57.06 | wunderkin | server, pro, home heh |
| 18:57.14 | wunderkin | enterprise, data center :P |
| 18:57.46 | sivana | that's what I was thinking.. before I realized it was just marketing talk |
| 18:58.55 | *** join/#asterisk heath__ (n=root@12-215-32-62.client.mchsi.com) |
| 19:00.39 | fugitivo | i have a problem with iax |
| 19:00.57 | fugitivo | i call an extension, when the person pickups the call, i'm redirected to the voicemail |
| 19:02.54 | *** join/#asterisk lunk (n=lunk@negative-influence.com) |
| 19:03.05 | clive- | has anyone expereinced kernel panic when booting centos 4.1 with hyperthreading switched on ? |
| 19:03.22 | *** part/#asterisk Zeeek (n=IceChat7@pdpc/supporter/active/Zeeek) |
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| 19:06.24 | hardwire | who does the most amount of cisco phone resales? |
| 19:06.26 | hardwire | resales/sales :) |
| 19:06.40 | file | mmm? |
| 19:06.42 | file | MMM! |
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| 19:06.59 | *** join/#asterisk loick (n=loic@APuteaux-151-1-57-14.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 19:06.59 | hypa7ia | hardwire: techdata / ingram? |
| 19:07.03 | sivana | file maybe? |
| 19:07.03 | clive- | hardwire , cisco themselves provbabaly |
| 19:07.07 | *** join/#asterisk YoMama (n=rewt@adsl-69-209-142-179.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net) |
| 19:07.12 | file | nope not me |
| 19:07.28 | hypa7ia | clive-: not slikely, they sell through the channel mostly |
| 19:07.36 | hypa7ia | err not likely |
| 19:08.18 | *** join/#asterisk tracinet (n=tracinet@24-50-29-205.atlsfl.adelphia.net) |
| 19:08.33 | YoMama | hi everone |
| 19:08.38 | YoMama | everyone |
| 19:08.40 | YoMama | geez |
| 19:09.01 | hardwire | hypa7ia: I am with techdata. |
| 19:09.02 | hardwire | hmm |
| 19:09.08 | hardwire | I should become authorized for cisco crap |
| 19:09.10 | YoMama | for those of you wondering why my voicemail passwords wouldn't change..i was running RC1 that apparently had a bug and it got fixed in the release..haha |
| 19:09.22 | hardwire | hypa7ia: that and they already have everything under the GSA |
| 19:09.23 | YoMama | hardwire: yeah? sell me shit at wholesale costs :) |
| 19:09.25 | hardwire | so that should work |
| 19:09.31 | hardwire | YoMama: don't be dum |
| 19:09.34 | hypa7ia | hardwire: Bell Canada uses ingram, that much i know :) |
| 19:09.35 | *** join/#asterisk Micc (n=dotirc@c-24-16-228-130.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 19:09.36 | hardwire | 0.01% markup |
| 19:09.45 | YoMama | hardwire: that'll work too |
| 19:10.01 | hardwire | YoMama: it wouldn't be worth my labor :) |
| 19:10.18 | hardwire | besides techdata isn't incredibly low on qty 50 or lower |
| 19:10.36 | hardwire | but I primarily use them for single unit purchases anyways |
| 19:11.08 | hardwire | I wonder then who does a lot of cisco voip support |
| 19:11.19 | YoMama | u want cisco voip support? |
| 19:11.20 | hardwire | 1000+ phones at multiple sites |
| 19:11.27 | hardwire | using all cisco.. all the time.. |
| 19:11.27 | [TK]D-Fender | Cisco = overpriced. |
| 19:11.29 | YoMama | eh...most companies suck |
| 19:11.42 | YoMama | i had it outsourced for a while..it was useless |
| 19:11.53 | hardwire | [TK]D-Fender: Indeed.. but they are in compliance with the feds.. so they like them |
| 19:11.54 | *** join/#asterisk Lurr (i=user@adsl-067-034-122-207.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) |
| 19:11.55 | tracinet | anyone here having issues disabling Realtime on asterisk 1.2.0? I have specified noload in modules.conf for app_realtime.so and pbx_realtime.so but I still get ERROR[31422] res_config_mysql.c: MySQL RealTime: Failed to connect database server blah blah blah in my logs |
| 19:12.09 | hardwire | YoMama: ok.. hmm.. |
| 19:12.12 | *** part/#asterisk Lurr (i=user@adsl-067-034-122-207.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) |
| 19:12.23 | YoMama | hardwire: ended up bringing it in-house..u have 1000+ phones deployed over how many sites? |
| 19:12.32 | hardwire | tracinet: don't set up realtime configs and you are pretty much done. |
| 19:12.33 | YoMama | hardwire: how many CMs are u running? |
| 19:12.36 | *** join/#asterisk UlbabraB (n=Caplaz@host241-43.pool8172.interbusiness.it) |
| 19:12.52 | hardwire | YoMama: no idea as of yet.. this looks like a request for supplies w/ no labor |
| 19:12.53 | YoMama | ugh...really spicy thai food gives me...problems |
| 19:13.07 | YoMama | hardwire: what..and you're looking to upsell the customer? |
| 19:13.13 | hardwire | eh? |
| 19:13.26 | hardwire | this is an Invitation to Bid |
| 19:13.30 | mut | O_O |
| 19:13.35 | hardwire | mut: lo mut |
| 19:13.36 | YoMama | hardwire: right..so why would u care who is providing the service |
| 19:13.57 | hardwire | YoMama: Because a good contractor follows up on all aspects :) |
| 19:13.58 | mut | howdy |
| 19:14.20 | hardwire | I care because if we supply half a million dollars woth of phones.. they might as well use us for support. |
| 19:14.29 | YoMama | hardwire: well, if they need someone to set it up..let me know :)...iv'e learned how broked their crap is the hard way |
| 19:14.41 | hardwire | YoMama: KISS |
| 19:14.47 | tracinet | hardwire: just did make samples and I removed res_odbc.conf -but still same error (should I also delete extconfig.conf as well?) |
| 19:14.48 | hardwire | it typicalyl works out if you do that |
| 19:15.01 | iCEBrkr | Lovely. |
| 19:15.02 | hardwire | file: KISS |
| 19:15.03 | YoMama | hardwire: KISS? |
| 19:15.07 | hardwire | Keep it Simple Stupid. |
| 19:15.08 | file | hardwire: TACO |
| 19:15.20 | YoMama | hardwire: there's no such thing as simple with that gear |
| 19:15.25 | file | tri acoustic circuit overload! |
| 19:15.26 | hardwire | Tiny Assed Caucassian Orangutang. |
| 19:15.34 | YoMama | asterisk is simple...cisco's voip solution is not |
| 19:15.50 | hardwire | YoMama: there is nothing simple with asterisk crashing all the time either |
| 19:15.55 | YoMama | hahaha |
| 19:16.01 | hardwire | I would rather use the Avaya e-911 prepped failover happy system |
| 19:16.07 | YoMama | true...i was just on here talking about how they gotta harden their shit and make it have failover capabilities |
| 19:16.09 | hardwire | its quite amazing. |
| 19:16.12 | YoMama | pepole thought i was in here trying to sell cisco |
| 19:16.18 | hardwire | hah |
| 19:16.23 | YoMama | which is not the case |
| 19:16.31 | *** join/#asterisk MRH2 (n=Mr_happy@217.147.88.66) |
| 19:16.33 | hardwire | YoMama: for instance.. I shouldn't be using CVS and talking about this shit |
| 19:16.45 | YoMama | CVS? ew |
| 19:16.49 | hardwire | its fine |
| 19:16.49 | YoMama | i like subversion |
| 19:16.57 | YoMama | although subversion doesn't do real tagging |
| 19:16.59 | hardwire | YoMama: asterisk doesn't ride on subvewsion |
| 19:17.01 | hardwire | version |
| 19:17.09 | YoMama | oh..you're using CVS HEAD |
| 19:17.14 | hardwire | I shouldn't be using CVS HEAD asterisk . |
| 19:17.14 | YoMama | for asterisk |
| 19:17.19 | hardwire | for the * monster |
| 19:17.21 | YoMama | gotcha |
| 19:17.24 | YoMama | hahaha |
| 19:17.27 | MRH2 | any reason why voicemail access outputs "yay!" on the console - it is a little disconcerting ;) |
| 19:17.30 | YoMama | run a 500 seat call center on that shit |
| 19:17.31 | hardwire | ChanIsAvail() would crash my system |
| 19:17.35 | hardwire | it was neat |
| 19:17.56 | YoMama | anytime u use a nightly build you're gonna run into crap like that |
| 19:18.00 | Druken | MRH2: yay it worked? |
| 19:18.01 | hardwire | disconnecting to an asterisk VT over ssh by closing the controlling window locally would hard lock my system |
| 19:18.09 | YoMama | hahaha |
| 19:18.13 | hardwire | YoMama: thats why you have a staging server :) |
| 19:18.20 | MRH2 | yay it did |
| 19:18.22 | hardwire | I am going to have a wittle UML soon |
| 19:18.29 | mut | :'( |
| 19:18.33 | YoMama | my tummy hurts |
| 19:18.36 | mut | my plasma tv is teh b0rked |
| 19:18.42 | YoMama | mut: howlong have u had it? |
| 19:18.44 | hardwire | tracinet: realtime configs aren't enabled if you don't configure them is all I was saying. |
| 19:18.47 | iCEBrkr | They fucked up variables from Callfiles in 1.2.0 |
| 19:18.49 | hardwire | mut: doh |
| 19:18.54 | mut | like a day or two after i got it |
| 19:18.56 | iCEBrkr | ...again |
| 19:19.00 | mut | and the warranty from techdepot ran out before i even opened the box |
| 19:19.06 | mut | so i'm callin samsung to see what they can do |
| 19:19.13 | mut | it makes a weird hissing noise |
| 19:19.20 | YoMama | mut: the warranty is less than 24 hours? |
| 19:19.20 | mut | gets louder as time goes on and then stops |
| 19:19.22 | YoMama | what the hell |
| 19:19.24 | mut | and builds back up again |
| 19:19.24 | tracinet | hardwire: understood - must be something in the default configs that is calling it - will poke around to see where is it getting called |
| 19:19.31 | mut | YoMama: i didn't open it for like 2.5 weeks |
| 19:19.37 | YoMama | mut: uhhhh |
| 19:19.42 | mut | had a 10 day warrantty |
| 19:19.53 | iCEBrkr | Cute. |
| 19:19.58 | YoMama | that wasn't so bright |
| 19:20.04 | Druken | no way would i have a plasma tv in the box for 2.5 weeks... |
| 19:20.08 | YoMama | it was probably caused by shipping damage |
| 19:20.19 | YoMama | my plasma was in the box for a whole 20 minutes |
| 19:20.36 | Druken | YoMama: 15 of that was the drive home... |
| 19:20.48 | YoMama | i had it drop shipped to my house |
| 19:20.52 | YoMama | that sucker weighs over 100 lbs |
| 19:21.09 | mut | ya |
| 19:21.14 | mut | i didn't have anywhere to put it |
| 19:21.15 | YoMama | i wouldn't let the cargo company leave because i wouldn't sign the shipping bill of lading until i examined the whole freakin' box |
| 19:21.49 | Druken | YoMama: hehe i hate people like you :) |
| 19:21.52 | hardwire | hmm |
| 19:21.53 | hardwire | HMMMM |
| 19:22.07 | YoMama | Druken: hey..when u blow $5500 on one item..i don't care who i piss off to make sure it's not screwed up |
| 19:22.15 | hardwire | YoMama: if I could assembly a crack team of awesome code peeps I would rule this channel with a mighty fist of code! |
| 19:22.29 | hardwire | I would also make an inline grammar checker for IRC |
| 19:22.37 | hardwire | which would also slow down all my mini-floods |
| 19:22.45 | iCEBrkr | ...and they fucked up getvar in the AGIs |
| 19:22.51 | YoMama | hardwire: haha...grammar checker...yeah right...the whole point of IRC is so u can be sloppy with grammar |
| 19:22.57 | Druken | hardwire: no grammer checks... i'd fail.... |
| 19:23.01 | YoMama | i'm gonna miss the fedex guy when he delivers my GXP to my house :( |
| 19:23.06 | hardwire | YoMama: you cannot rule! if you cannot spell! |
| 19:23.06 | hardwire | wait |
| 19:23.09 | hardwire | G.W.Bush! |
| 19:23.14 | hardwire | He must be my idol |
| 19:23.31 | *** join/#asterisk |dennis| (n=dennis@vsat-148-64-30-39.c050.t7.mrt.starband.net) |
| 19:23.39 | Nugget | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/4454738.stm <-- Our peerless leader (with video) |
| 19:23.47 | mut | ah sweet |
| 19:23.52 | hardwire | hahaha |
| 19:23.53 | mut | one year IN HOME warranty from samsug |
| 19:24.06 | hardwire | why does he have a three stoges "Doieieie!" look on his face |
| 19:24.56 | hardwire | wow.. why don't people use flash for video |
| 19:25.02 | hardwire | it seems stupid but I really think its nice |
| 19:26.05 | lesouvage | Glad their is an ocean between him and us. |
| 19:26.53 | hardwire | I have a country inbetween .. |
| 19:27.13 | hardwire | I hate that a countries rule can extend beyond land touching :) |
| 19:27.32 | Druken | haha what a fucken moron |
| 19:28.00 | Katty | gosh |
| 19:28.07 | Katty | do we /really/ need language like that? |
| 19:28.14 | Katty | can't we just call them purple people eaters or something? |
| 19:28.21 | hardwire | Katty: all bets are off when its about Bush |
| 19:28.41 | Katty | hmmph. |
| 19:28.43 | mut | wow |
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| 19:28.44 | mut | thats nice |
| 19:28.46 | YoMama | Katty: yes we need language like that |
| 19:28.46 | hardwire | hmmphm. |
| 19:28.48 | Druken | Katty: i wasen't talking about you... |
| 19:29.07 | Katty | Druken: i know you weren't talking about me, you silly rabbit. |
| 19:29.23 | Druken | silly rabbit, trix are for kids |
| 19:29.28 | YoMama | Katty: my parents raised me right, but when u work a stressful job...drinking and swearing are your only two forms of expression |
| 19:29.29 | Katty | obviously. |
| 19:29.50 | Katty | YoMama: my parents raised me well, and i don't resort to drinking a swearing. |
| 19:29.59 | YoMama | Katty: do u have a stressful job? |
| 19:30.03 | mut | i do |
| 19:30.06 | mut | holy crap do i |
| 19:30.09 | Katty | do i have a stressful job? |
| 19:30.16 | Katty | oh that's hilarious ;) |
| 19:30.27 | Katty | yes, YoMama, i have a stressful job. |
| 19:30.35 | Inkubot | i smoke weed |
| 19:30.39 | Inkubot | for stress |
| 19:30.45 | YoMama | weed helps but most places i've worked at require a drug test |
| 19:30.48 | Inkubot | and don't swear anything |
| 19:30.53 | tracinet | hardwire: thanks for your help on the disabling realtime issue - unfortunately, even removing config files from /etc/asterisk and specifying noload on the 2 realtime modules still result in Realtime errors in logs on asterisk startups and reloads - any other ideas? |
| 19:30.53 | Katty | sad. |
| 19:30.54 | YoMama | and weed causes stupidity |
| 19:30.58 | Inkubot | hahaha |
| 19:31.01 | mut | makes me too tired i only do it once in a while |
| 19:31.02 | Inkubot | yeps... duh |
| 19:31.04 | hardwire | tracinet: pastebin.ca |
| 19:31.06 | hardwire | post the errors |
| 19:31.12 | Katty | well let's just try to keep the swearing in real life (= |
| 19:31.18 | hardwire | I bet, unfortunatly, you are doing something very stupid. |
| 19:31.18 | YoMama | ha |
| 19:31.19 | tzanger | tracinet: it's one of those ingrained things... like moh... there's no wayt o truly disable it either |
| 19:31.25 | hardwire | Its not your fault |
| 19:31.27 | mut | stupidity when you're smart is still better than half the populous of the US |
| 19:31.29 | mut | so whats it matter |
| 19:31.30 | YoMama | hardwire: it's easy to do something stupid with this VoIP crap |
| 19:31.33 | *** join/#asterisk loick (n=loic@APuteaux-151-1-57-14.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 19:31.36 | hardwire | indeed it is |
| 19:31.43 | hardwire | but that won't stop us from laughing at you |
| 19:31.53 | chapeaurouge | lol @ mut |
| 19:31.53 | YoMama | the hard stuff is easy to fix |
| 19:31.58 | hardwire | VoIP == Humility. |
| 19:32.09 | YoMama | it's always one comma or misplaced keyword that makes the whole thing come to a screeching halt |
| 19:32.12 | mut | *shrug* |
| 19:32.16 | syle | what is wrong with weed |
| 19:32.18 | mut | thats just how i look at it anyway |
| 19:32.20 | hardwire | mut: shrug. |
| 19:32.21 | tracinet | tzanger: ahhhh - so those errors "res_config_mysql.c: MySQL RealTime: Failed to connect database server ...." are normal even if you are not using Realtime ? |
| 19:32.22 | syle | damn communist |
| 19:32.24 | YoMama | spend a week trying to track down the problem...calling everyone u know..only to find out you fatfingered something |
| 19:32.29 | YoMama | this is what causes one to drink and swear |
| 19:32.33 | tzanger | tracinet: no, I don't get *those* :-) |
| 19:32.37 | tracinet | LOL |
| 19:32.44 | hardwire | tracinet: haha |
| 19:32.46 | Inkubot | nothing wrong syle |
| 19:32.47 | lesouvage | syle: it grows far to high in your garden during a hot summer. |
| 19:32.51 | hardwire | tracinet: its not an error |
| 19:32.57 | hardwire | it is.. but it has nothing to do with anything. |
| 19:33.01 | Inkubot | weed es great for everything |
| 19:33.01 | syle | yeah that does suck |
| 19:33.18 | hardwire | tracinet: you installed asterisk-addons |
| 19:33.20 | hardwire | I wouldn't have |
| 19:33.21 | tracinet | yes |
| 19:33.34 | tracinet | for the cdr_mysql |
| 19:33.44 | hardwire | tracinet: but you don't really need that |
| 19:33.49 | hardwire | and you should have just installed that :) |
| 19:34.24 | hardwire | YoMama: I cannot blame bush for making a dumb face. |
| 19:34.44 | hardwire | I would have probably mooned the cameras and made some funny finger art to the cameras. |
| 19:34.48 | *** join/#asterisk rjuan (n=rjuan@233.Red-217-127-61.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 19:34.56 | rjuan | hello |
| 19:35.06 | hardwire | hi |
| 19:35.18 | hardwire | *shh* I want him to think I am the only one here. |
| 19:35.22 | rjuan | Anybody has a TDM wildcard? |
| 19:35.30 | rjuan | jaja |
| 19:35.41 | hardwire | I do |
| 19:36.02 | rjuan | I would like to know if it's easy to quit or put new modules |
| 19:36.03 | hardwire | having issues? (rhetorical question) |
| 19:36.03 | rjuan | ?? |
| 19:36.13 | YoMama | hardwire: whaddya do? pipe the file into a script that parses it into mysql? |
| 19:36.23 | hardwire | YoMama: lemme check |
| 19:36.23 | syle | and for your info yomama the best matheticians and programmers smoke weed and have produced the most amazing code you could only dream of writing so lay off the stupid on weed :) |
| 19:36.58 | YoMama | syle: i come from a university that's known for its copious amount of weed smoking...but it does make you at the very minimum..really lazy and really hungry |
| 19:36.58 | hardwire | YoMama: I use CDR-ODBC |
| 19:37.03 | wunderkin | does anyone know anything about listing 800 numbers? how would the end user go about getting it listed? |
| 19:37.20 | syle | whats wrong with lazy, makes you code more :) |
| 19:37.22 | hardwire | rjuan: I am afraid I have no idea what you asked. |
| 19:37.28 | hardwire | it could be all the weed in this channel. |
| 19:37.44 | rjuan | thanks |
| 19:37.58 | hardwire | no offence.. but what do you mean by quitting and putting? |
| 19:38.14 | rjuan | I'm not english |
| 19:38.23 | rjuan | so |
| 19:38.30 | hardwire | its ok |
| 19:38.36 | rjuan | get out |
| 19:38.39 | hardwire | not everybody is born in the little universe I was. |
| 19:38.41 | rjuan | FXO modules |
| 19:38.53 | rjuan | or put new modules |
| 19:38.58 | hardwire | on the TDM400 |
| 19:39.01 | rjuan | yes |
| 19:39.04 | hardwire | gotcha! |
| 19:39.09 | YoMama | syle: or stare at moire patterns on a computer screen for hours on end |
| 19:39.20 | hardwire | rjuan: just buy the modules and switch em around like legos :) |
| 19:39.24 | hardwire | it doesn't matter |
| 19:39.28 | rjuan | ok |
| 19:39.33 | *** join/#asterisk loick (n=loic@APuteaux-151-1-57-14.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 19:39.36 | hardwire | its SMART! :) |
| 19:39.48 | hardwire | rjuan: take out |
| 19:39.58 | rjuan | It's what I thougt |
| 19:40.05 | hardwire | get out means you want me to leave!!! |
| 19:40.07 | hardwire | noooo |
| 19:40.13 | rjuan | jajjaa |
| 19:40.13 | tzafrir_laptop | hardwire, any reason you run asterisk in a controlling terminal? |
| 19:40.16 | rjuan | sorry |
| 19:40.16 | rjuan | jajjaa |
| 19:40.22 | hardwire | tzafrir_laptop: asterisk -r |
| 19:40.26 | tzafrir_laptop | oops, ignore that |
| 19:40.29 | syle | yomama: for the uneducated yes, but i've watched complexed algorithms solved by being stoned from staring at those instead :) |
| 19:41.05 | hardwire | tzafrir_laptop: but even connecting via -r if I don't disconnect properly from that it kills my server :) |
| 19:41.16 | *** join/#asterisk loick (n=loic@APuteaux-151-1-57-14.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 19:41.25 | YoMama | syle: haha..to each his own...that crap only makes me paranoid and hungry...and caused me to forget to put my pants on and walk out in public with just my boxers on to only be chased by local cops who figured i was high or drunk |
| 19:41.25 | hardwire | so there needs to be an "oops that isn't connected anymore, I should ignore it and clean up" |
| 19:41.31 | YoMama | so....no weed for me |
| 19:41.48 | syle | actually one guy in 3rd year math in university with me awhile ago could only do math when he was baked lol |
| 19:41.50 | tzafrir_laptop | When I send an action to the manager interface, can I assume that the next item I read will be the response to the action? |
| 19:41.59 | chapeaurouge | lol @ YoMama .. good one :) I dreamt of that a few times, but never did it |
| 19:42.07 | YoMama | syle: yeah..my dorm neighbor was like that...he studied while baked so the only way he'd do well on his exams was baked |
| 19:42.30 | hardwire | oh this sucks |
| 19:42.30 | *** join/#asterisk l-fy (n=pchitesc@yate/developer/l-fy) |
| 19:42.32 | l-fy | hello |
| 19:42.42 | l-fy | asterisk can do early media between isdn and sip? |
| 19:42.43 | syle | funny how that works |
| 19:42.48 | tzafrir_laptop | if not: any example of a convinient interface on top of the manager interface that allows me to send an event and get a reply? |
| 19:42.52 | hardwire | the Invitation to Bid wants single unit pricing on a list.. but they don't spec how many they want. so you can't calculate volume discount |
| 19:42.54 | hardwire | how stupid is that? |
| 19:43.10 | oej | I-fy: Yes, we can do early media |
| 19:43.22 | syle | yomama: but i;m sure you would have done it again it was a couple blond bombshells chasing you instead of the cops lol |
| 19:43.52 | l-fy | oej > great, any special settings for that? |
| 19:44.03 | YoMama | hardwire: that's retarded |
| 19:44.21 | hardwire | indeed |
| 19:44.23 | hardwire | haha |
| 19:44.27 | YoMama | syle: umm...if it were blonde hotties chasing me, i would've allowed to be caught :) |
| 19:44.28 | hardwire | the NTSC video phone is on here |
| 19:44.36 | hardwire | $3,595 via ciscos site |
| 19:44.44 | hardwire | $2,436.00 via TD |
| 19:44.49 | syle | lol, naw you got to play hard to get abit hahah |
| 19:44.58 | YoMama | hardwire: well, then u just give 'em the tiers |
| 19:45.13 | oej | I-fy: Not really. in the dialplan you can play with playback(file|noanswer) to generate early media and test with |
| 19:45.15 | hardwire | what the fuck is with the station user licences |
| 19:45.21 | tracinet | hardwire: found the problem - was only searching for modules that contained realtime in the name (adding noload => res_config_mysql.so) to modules.conf corrected the problem |
| 19:45.27 | oej | Just remember not to answer before you do that :-) |
| 19:45.27 | hardwire | is buying the actual serial identified hardware not enough? |
| 19:45.39 | hardwire | tracinet: was it stopping asterisk from loading? |
| 19:45.44 | l-fy | i suppose i should setup playback file before answer rigth? |
| 19:45.46 | tracinet | no - just throwing errors |
| 19:45.47 | l-fy | a ok |
| 19:45.49 | l-fy | got it |
| 19:45.55 | hardwire | tracinet: ok.. then it wasn't really a problem :) |
| 19:46.03 | syle | license for what? |
| 19:46.03 | hardwire | but yeh.. a clean setup is nice |
| 19:46.08 | hardwire | syle: cisco phones |
| 19:46.10 | tracinet | hardwire: user headspace problem |
| 19:46.17 | hardwire | tracinet: :) |
| 19:46.23 | syle | owww you guys don;t actually pay those insane prices do you? |
| 19:46.24 | l-fy | oej > i just want to pass by early media from another sip server that is behind the * |
| 19:46.26 | hardwire | YoMama: eh? |
| 19:46.34 | l-fy | so calls comes from isdn to * to another server |
| 19:46.34 | syle | polycom works just fine |
| 19:46.35 | hardwire | syle: not for me |
| 19:46.42 | hardwire | I don't even buy cisco |
| 19:46.50 | hardwire | anything |
| 19:46.51 | oej | I-fy: That works. In sip, it's 183 session progress |
| 19:47.04 | oej | I-fy: Just note that not all SIP phones support it. |
| 19:47.21 | syle | anyone getting the xbox360 tommorrow? |
| 19:47.26 | hardwire | why are there Gig ethernet cisco phones? |
| 19:47.30 | hardwire | I mean.. its neat. |
| 19:47.40 | l-fy | oej > the server that i'm talking about is supporting early media for sure |
| 19:47.43 | hardwire | but does it do something I am unaware of? |
| 19:47.53 | hardwire | like patch over 1600 channels of extra mics? |
| 19:48.10 | syle | gig ethernet phone wtf, are you trasferring tons of movies and pics off it lol |
| 19:49.08 | Katty | zomgwtflolzkthxbi |
| 19:49.08 | YoMama | hardwire: sell me a cheap QoS capable switch |
| 19:49.09 | Katty | </sarcasm> |
| 19:49.09 | YoMama | ugh..my cappuncino is cold |
| 19:49.09 | hardwire | YoMama: 1u linux based router fine with you? |
| 19:49.09 | hardwire | thats what I use |
| 19:49.17 | hardwire | WRR queueing |
| 19:49.26 | syle | load balancing? |
| 19:49.35 | hardwire | syle: sure.. it just takes extra effort :) |
| 19:49.45 | hardwire | cisco encapsulates all that effort into a few 1000+ page books |
| 19:49.50 | hardwire | heh |
| 19:50.24 | syle | yeah i;ve played with cisco load balancers, nightmare configuring all the vlans, only fun once you have finished your config and know it lol |
| 19:50.56 | hardwire | I have it working here via /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:51.00 | hardwire | and ip route |
| 19:51.05 | hardwire | it worked amazingly well |
| 19:51.20 | hardwire | but I need to do more segregation of a few things.. and get some dynamic routing and gateway controls working |
| 19:51.29 | YoMama | hardwire: umm...that works good for the gateway...but what about end devices? |
| 19:51.30 | hardwire | its hard when you want HA routers controlling HA servers |
| 19:51.52 | hardwire | YoMama: that would require a sip proxy on the routers.. I would think |
| 19:51.57 | hardwire | but I don't know |
| 19:52.21 | hardwire | something openPBX addressed was the ability to change the UDP-SRC based on the sip registration |
| 19:52.23 | syle | SER is kewl but i don;t think its worth the time just to learn it to load balance as it only does SIP not iax or h323 |
| 19:52.28 | hardwire | which helped for outbound and inbound load balancing |
| 19:52.46 | syle | use a real load balancer :) |
| 19:52.47 | l-fy | syle > at least ser is doing the job has been made for |
| 19:52.48 | hardwire | YoMama: I may be talking about something 100% different :) |
| 19:52.50 | hardwire | syle: like? |
| 19:53.01 | syle | its only SIP |
| 19:53.02 | syle | useless |
| 19:53.14 | tzafrir_laptop | trying the tcl amclient now..... |
| 19:53.19 | hardwire | syle: IAX won't have that problem :) |
| 19:53.23 | hardwire | depending on your setup |
| 19:53.49 | syle | just better to start off things right i think, be able to do all protocals |
| 19:53.51 | YoMama | hardwire: no..u need a switch that does QoS and using a voice vlan and a regular data vlan |
| 19:53.56 | YoMama | that's the easiest way to do it |
| 19:54.04 | hardwire | YoMama: thats what I have |
| 19:54.27 | YoMama | hardwire: right..i want a switch that can do that :) |
| 19:54.33 | [TK]D-Fender | No, you need a totally dedicated voice LAN with MAYBE a bridge between that and your data LAN :D |
| 19:54.40 | hardwire | YoMama: have you looked at the SMC 24 port PoE capable switch? |
| 19:54.43 | YoMama | a 2924 or better running the EN IOS image will do the trick |
| 19:54.44 | hardwire | its quite nice |
| 19:54.53 | l-fy | syle > you can't say that * knows h323 |
| 19:54.53 | YoMama | hardwire: what's the street price on that? |
| 19:55.01 | hardwire | YoMama: let me check my back pocket |
| 19:55.03 | l-fy | so you only got iax and sip |
| 19:55.15 | l-fy | since ser is doing sip rigth you gain a lot |
| 19:55.17 | hardwire | YoMama: but yeh we were talking about something different |
| 19:55.24 | [TK]D-Fender | My * setup runs on D-Link DES-1526 PoE Switches in its own happy subnet.... quite cooperatively no less |
| 19:55.34 | hardwire | [TK]D-Fender: sometimes that works well |
| 19:55.36 | Micc | I'm having problems dialing my SIP phone from the latest asterisk. It rings but doesn't connect. I'm using a Linksys PAP2-NA. |
| 19:55.37 | YoMama | hardwire: there's the QoS required on the WAN side..and there's QoS you need on the LAN side |
| 19:55.43 | hardwire | its nice to be able to seperate the priority per port/vlan |
| 19:55.47 | hardwire | esp when trunking switches |
| 19:56.02 | hardwire | for instance I have three of these switches |
| 19:56.06 | [TK]D-Fender | hardwire : Instead I seperated my VoIp trafic on layer 1 ;) |
| 19:56.08 | YoMama | the SMCs? |
| 19:56.12 | hardwire | 2 on 4th floor one on 2nd floor |
| 19:56.14 | hardwire | yeh |
| 19:56.18 | YoMama | fender: that's one way to do it |
| 19:56.20 | hardwire | [TK]D-Fender: heh |
| 19:56.27 | YoMama | fender: kinda takes the fun out of it..and increases cabling costs |
| 19:56.44 | hardwire | YoMama: well that wasn't a problem |
| 19:56.47 | YoMama | and switch costs...cheaper to buy one switch with good QoS and vlan capabilities than two switches |
| 19:56.50 | hardwire | we had two nic ports per station |
| 19:57.07 | [TK]D-Fender | YoMama : I know, but it allows me to leave my data LAN as pure Gigabit in the meantime and since we just moved in here I got to rip out all the old shit :D |
| 19:57.10 | hardwire | so one went to the default vlan on our primary switch.. and one to vlan 2 on our voip switch |
| 19:57.20 | hardwire | the voip switch is attached to the default switch and that vlan is prioritized |
| 19:57.22 | hardwire | via GigE |
| 19:57.33 | [TK]D-Fender | I have multiple 2-port outlets per office... this place is WIRED.... |
| 19:57.41 | hardwire | that way we can use a GigE link to go to the sn'd floow with a few computers and do the same.. only off of one switch |
| 19:58.02 | hardwire | now massive saturation on the default vlan doesn't effect any phone |
| 19:58.07 | *** join/#asterisk santiago (n=santiago@208.195.215.160) |
| 19:58.17 | hardwire | its hard to just say how things are set up :) |
| 19:58.34 | *** join/#asterisk royth1 (n=royth1@201.230.161.178) |
| 19:58.35 | syle | what you using to configure vlans? |
| 19:58.37 | syle | linux? |
| 19:58.56 | hardwire | the smc's |
| 19:59.07 | YoMama | it's easy to describe my setup...two metal tin cans and a nice piece of twine |
| 19:59.11 | hardwire | the routers/voip servers connected to it have dedicated GigE ports per vlan |
| 19:59.11 | syle | oww i heard good things about them better priced than the cisco's |
| 19:59.32 | syle | nice |
| 19:59.34 | hardwire | YoMama: no heavy udp packets |
| 19:59.36 | syle | how much did that run you ? |
| 19:59.54 | hardwire | syle: a lot less than this cisco quote for just voice |
| 20:00.06 | hardwire | syle: it will be documented soon |
| 20:00.29 | hardwire | its nothing amazing in the least.. its nice to have things inline and zippy/prioritized however |
| 20:00.36 | syle | what model you got? |
| 20:00.50 | hardwire | of? |
| 20:00.57 | syle | smc |
| 20:01.16 | hardwire | hold |
| 20:01.48 | hardwire | For data: http://www.smc.com/index.cfm?event=viewProduct&localeCode=EN_USA&cid=8&scid=&pid=1409 |
| 20:01.54 | syle | i didn;t know you could do vlans on SMC products thats kewl |
| 20:02.12 | hardwire | For Voice.. and then a Voice/Data mix on another floor: http://www.smc.com/index.cfm?event=viewProduct&localeCode=EN_USA&cid=8&scid=&pid=1501 |
| 20:02.24 | hardwire | syle: their OS is neat too |
| 20:02.39 | hardwire | I really like having a PoE switch |
| 20:02.40 | hardwire | for sure |
| 20:02.51 | hardwire | we connect 3com NJ250's whereever we need more ports |
| 20:02.53 | syle | how well does the load balancing work? |
| 20:02.59 | hardwire | those are VLAN capable as well |
| 20:03.14 | syle | can you specify round-robin etc |
| 20:03.28 | hardwire | syle: like I said I can fulyl saturate from the 48 port to the 24 port on the default vlan and not have any lost calls |
| 20:03.42 | l-fy | ok guys |
| 20:03.45 | l-fy | i have this problem |
| 20:03.47 | l-fy | i do like this |
| 20:03.50 | denon | you know, vlans aren't always good thing for voip |
| 20:03.58 | hardwire | syle: load balancing has been used 100 different ways in the last 30 minutes :) |
| 20:04.04 | hardwire | in this converastion |
| 20:04.09 | l-fy | i have a call that comes from isdn it goes on the asterisk , asterisk sends INVITE, i send 180 or 183 with early media and than i answer |
| 20:04.11 | hardwire | so I am a little lost on the one thing you are talking about |
| 20:04.13 | TedC | Is there any way to pass DTMF through a meetme? |
| 20:04.20 | hardwire | TedC: inline :) |
| 20:04.21 | l-fy | the problem is that i don't hear the early media |
| 20:04.39 | syle | denon: what do your propose? |
| 20:04.40 | hardwire | TedC: I thought there was an option |
| 20:04.42 | TedC | hardwire: ick. |
| 20:04.47 | denon | syle: QoS |
| 20:04.51 | TedC | hardwire: I don't see one on voip-info |
| 20:04.53 | hardwire | TedC: you may be able to do something different |
| 20:05.02 | syle | whats QOS got to do with load balancing |
| 20:05.05 | hardwire | TedC: under asterisk run show application meetme |
| 20:05.16 | hardwire | syle: internal load balancing of the switch |
| 20:05.29 | hardwire | load/data |
| 20:05.34 | denon | syle: hmm .. I wasnt watching the conversation.. just thought they were vlan'ing phones :) |
| 20:05.41 | syle | i;m assuming everything is dedicated voice, so no need for QOS |
| 20:05.46 | TedC | hardwire: nothing obvious there |
| 20:06.00 | tzanger | l-fy: I've only used early media (audio) on PRI, where it just works. |
| 20:06.11 | tzanger | has anyone else used early media with SIP? |
| 20:06.14 | YoMama | hardwire: who carries this switch? |
| 20:06.22 | hardwire | TedC: use the source luke? |
| 20:06.26 | hardwire | YoMama: I bought it via TD |
| 20:06.31 | oej | tzanger: yes |
| 20:06.36 | *** join/#asterisk Polycomdude (n=jimmahhh@66.0.163.130) |
| 20:06.37 | TedC | hardwire: yeah, I figured it might make it to that point. |
| 20:06.41 | tzanger | oej: anything special to make it work? |
| 20:06.48 | YoMama | hardwire: ok..well, i'm an end user..TD typcailly doesn't sell to end users |
| 20:06.48 | TedC | hardwire: thanks for the inline idea tho. |
| 20:06.55 | oej | tzanger: Not really. playback with noanswer |
| 20:07.00 | hardwire | opk |
| 20:07.04 | oej | Not all SIP phones support it though. |
| 20:07.05 | tzanger | hmm so it just works there too. |
| 20:07.08 | Polycomdude | anyone have a second to help me with something? in regards to Polycom 501 |
| 20:07.08 | hardwire | YoMama: I can blind ship :) |
| 20:07.25 | hardwire | YoMama: I think thats a froogle question more than a me question |
| 20:07.49 | [TK]D-Fender | Polycomdude : Shoot |
| 20:07.51 | *** part/#asterisk SplasPood (i=nobody@paravolve.net) |
| 20:07.52 | YoMama | hardwire: true...pc conn has it for $928 |
| 20:08.10 | YoMama | pcmall has it for $907 |
| 20:08.11 | Polycomdude | Okay.. my Polycom sand send voice.. but cant hear anything from receiver |
| 20:08.14 | Polycomdude | any ideas? |
| 20:08.21 | YoMama | plycomdude: firewall? |
| 20:08.32 | Polycomdude | no firewall straight ip |
| 20:08.37 | *** join/#asterisk synthetiq (n=roger@64.201.13.50) |
| 20:08.45 | [TK]D-Fender | Have you tried the echotest? Does it work normally? |
| 20:08.48 | Nugget | you mean "nat", right? |
| 20:08.50 | hardwire | YoMama: what model? |
| 20:09.00 | Nugget | "straight ip" has nothing to do with firewalls in any way |
| 20:09.00 | YoMama | hardwire: the one u sent...SMC6826MPE |
| 20:09.03 | hardwire | hold\ |
| 20:09.07 | Polycomdude | no it has a 66.0.163 |
| 20:09.16 | YoMama | u need another octet dude |
| 20:09.22 | Polycomdude | no firewalls enabled.. running debian |
| 20:09.24 | synthetiq | to share voicemail amonsgst 3 servers in asterisk i have to creat an nfs share on one of the machines, i can point all machines to each other correct |
| 20:09.41 | YoMama | poly: generally when u can send voice but not receive it...something is blocking RTP on the return path |
| 20:09.58 | YoMama | synthetiq: umm....ew |
| 20:10.05 | synthetiq | yea |
| 20:10.07 | hardwire | YoMama: hmm.. TD is fucking with me |
| 20:10.11 | hardwire | or they dropped their SMC line card |
| 20:10.15 | YoMama | synthetiq: there's better ways to do that |
| 20:10.15 | hardwire | that would utterly suck |
| 20:10.22 | synthetiq | what would you suggest |
| 20:10.52 | hardwire | YoMama: wow.. only one SMC switch |
| 20:10.57 | [TK]D-Fender | Polycomdude : Also keep a close eye on the RJ12 connector to the handset. Often it will "click"in place, but not all the way. You can push it in further and get a 2nd solid click and alls good. I ran into that with my 600's |
| 20:11.01 | hardwire | they must be getting rid of SMC |
| 20:11.11 | YoMama | i dunno...but u wanna NFS mount the voicemail dir so u can do voicemail on three different servers? |
| 20:11.12 | hardwire | or their DB is having Issueses.. which is often the case |
| 20:11.23 | hardwire | YoMama: suggest using mysql storage of voicemail data |
| 20:11.28 | hardwire | and content |
| 20:11.30 | YoMama | just sounds wrong...i haven't investigated the scalability of the VM system on asterisk |
| 20:11.39 | hardwire | its in the plans. |
| 20:11.39 | synthetiq | well to share the vociemail of the three servers |
| 20:11.43 | hardwire | brb |
| 20:11.52 | fugitivo | mysql is evil, don't use it |
| 20:11.58 | YoMama | mysql works just fine |
| 20:12.01 | Polycomdude | yeah I just checked that.. same problem on 15 phones |
| 20:12.11 | YoMama | a hellvua lot more stable than asterisk |
| 20:12.26 | fugitivo | YoMama: so? it's still evil |
| 20:12.29 | YoMama | poly: u got a packet sniffer? |
| 20:12.35 | eKo1 | mysql is more stable than asterisk?! |
| 20:12.40 | Druken | YoMama: is this pick on asterisk day ?? :) |
| 20:12.41 | Nugget | hahaha |
| 20:12.52 | Nugget | mysql is crap. |
| 20:12.55 | YoMama | Druken: no...just asterisk is under heavy development...mysql has gotten pounded on for many many years |
| 20:12.57 | Polycomdude | yeah debian will allow me to download some great ones with dselect |
| 20:13.06 | fugitivo | Nugget: well, i didn't want to be so honest ;) |
| 20:13.29 | [TK]D-Fender | Polycomdude : pastebin your SIP.CONF |
| 20:13.37 | YoMama | found a place selling it for $870 |
| 20:13.42 | YoMama | not bad |
| 20:16.26 | *** join/#asterisk Assid (n=assid@203.115.64.62) |
| 20:17.12 | syle | yeah well some people think postgres is better, been a constant stupid war for ages |
| 20:17.26 | syle | i;d trust mysql for reliability over postgres anyday |
| 20:17.47 | Druken | i use both |
| 20:17.53 | Nugget | postgres is better, faster, and freer. I don't see why people still choose to use mysql. |
| 20:18.01 | syle | its not faster lol |
| 20:18.06 | iDunno | postgres is ACID compliant. |
| 20:18.14 | iDunno | postgres has views. |
| 20:18.16 | fugitivo | it's funny, everytime i said "mysql is evil", the same war starts |
| 20:18.19 | iDunno | postgres works. |
| 20:18.19 | syle | its actually slower do some comparisons yourself on a few tables |
| 20:18.21 | Nugget | mysql is only fast if you're doing stuff that would be better handled by grep. |
| 20:18.28 | YoMama | i remember when mysql said they wouldn't support transactions becuase it'd only slow down the db server |
| 20:18.34 | fugitivo | syle: it's not slower anymore |
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| 20:18.45 | iDunno | mysql is fine for noddy, shoddy, databases that you're not really worried about. |
| 20:18.45 | syle | and mysql has embedded support |
| 20:18.46 | Nugget | I remember when the mysql documentation said that table locks were superior to any othr form of locking. |
| 20:18.49 | *** join/#asterisk saftsack (n=saftsack@p54A7D489.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 20:18.51 | YoMama | problem is...if u wanna do anything with any complexity..you pretty much need transactions |
| 20:18.56 | syle | postgres just a nightmare for c programmers anyway |
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| 20:19.08 | YoMama | hell |
| 20:19.16 | YoMama | if your data is THAT important...get Oracle |
| 20:19.17 | YoMama | geez |
| 20:19.32 | fugitivo | mysql is a toy database |
| 20:19.34 | iDunno | YoMama: nah - been there, done that, and Oracle bloody lost some data ;) |
| 20:19.49 | iDunno | (OK - admittedly, it was because of file system corruption, but never mind ;) |
| 20:19.52 | YoMama | comparing mysql and postgres is like comparing a pinto to a citation |
| 20:19.59 | syle | i was able to crash postgres myself under high load and corrupt the fs |
| 20:20.00 | [TK]D-Fender | I use PostIT notes. Not very robust, but supreme portability! |
| 20:20.06 | saftsack | hi, i have a question for capi control. my asterisk server is behind a tk. on normal isdn telephones i have to press 0 first to get connected to the public net. howto configure capi.conf then? thanks oliver |
| 20:20.08 | YoMama | fender: how long do queries take? |
| 20:20.09 | syle | couldn;t with mysql |
| 20:20.11 | fugitivo | [TK]D-Fender: lol |
| 20:20.16 | hardwire | boob |
| 20:20.16 | [TK]D-Fender | DAYS! |
| 20:20.20 | hardwire | thats all I have to say about this |
| 20:20.23 | iDunno | syle: I've taken down a machine with mysql. |
| 20:20.24 | [TK]D-Fender | But rock-solid! |
| 20:20.40 | *** join/#asterisk sigwerk (n=sigwerk@athena.rootednetworks.com) |
| 20:20.42 | syle | if mysql crashes then the admin is just stupid :) |
| 20:20.44 | *** join/#asterisk Peaceful (n=Peaceful@67.50.46.118) |
| 20:20.47 | YoMama | fender: lemme know when they write a crystal reports module that supports postit queries |
| 20:20.47 | fugitivo | 1 h4ck3d mysq1! |
| 20:20.48 | syle | read docs :) |
| 20:20.51 | YoMama | fender: then i'll be all over it |
| 20:20.57 | iDunno | syle: the same is true of postgres :P |
| 20:21.21 | tzafrir_laptop | fugitivo, an empty root password? |
| 20:21.36 | syle | i;ve heard of many companies switching from postgres to mysql lately just to give you a heads up |
| 20:21.41 | Peaceful | Any recommendations for a good softphone to install on a mac to test my Asterisk installation? |
| 20:21.48 | pfn | syle I call that bullshit |
| 20:21.48 | [TK]D-Fender | YoMama : You need a CrystalBall (tm) just to organize them ;) |
| 20:21.49 | YoMama | Peaceful: X-Lite |
| 20:22.01 | fugitivo | tzafrir_laptop: yeah, i'm l337! |
| 20:22.01 | YoMama | wait..does x-lite run on MacOS? |
| 20:22.07 | YoMama | 3l33t |
| 20:22.09 | YoMama | hahaha |
| 20:22.11 | YoMama | haven't seen that in ages |
| 20:22.14 | YoMama | ok..bye guys |
| 20:22.16 | *** part/#asterisk YoMama (n=rewt@adsl-69-209-142-179.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net) |
| 20:22.42 | saftsack | no one who can help me? :( |
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| 20:22.54 | rbd | I've been looking for some kind of open source voicexml 2.x implementation that is either part of asterisk or integrates with asterisk but have been coming up short. any ideas? |
| 20:23.43 | mog_work | go write one ^_^ |
| 20:23.47 | mog_work | voicemail is huge |
| 20:23.49 | mog_work | it does a lot |
| 20:23.56 | mog_work | alot of people want it rewritten |
| 20:24.01 | syle | i could list many things wrong with postgres, have to export a whole table just to copy it to another machine, mysql just copy the isam tables over and export innodb tables, postgres lacks embedded support, lacks age and reliability, lacks ..nevermind you get the point |
| 20:24.05 | mog_work | no one has put up cash or put up source |
| 20:24.22 | rbd | mog_work, I would if I could replicate myself :) |
| 20:24.38 | syzygyBSD | I am trying to get AgentCallbackLogin to work with a context other then default (the listing of extensions to dial) but it always looks at the default context for the extension. |
| 20:24.41 | mog_work | yeah i hear things like that alot tooo |
| 20:24.44 | Peaceful | Looks like X-lite IS available for the mac. I'll give it a try. |
| 20:24.58 | Nugget | it's not bad. |
| 20:25.08 | Nugget | no worse than any othr softphone :) |
| 20:25.26 | syzygyBSD | my line is: exten => 91,3,AgentCallbackLogin(${AGENTCODE}|${AGENTCODE}@localext) |
| 20:25.30 | [TK]D-Fender | syzygyBSD : you specify the contexst when you call AgentCallbackLogin.... |
| 20:25.46 | syzygyBSD | shouldn't it look in localext? |
| 20:26.10 | syzygyBSD | maybe if i reorder my extensions.conf |
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| 20:26.43 | bbz | Would anyone here be interested in some Polycom 501 phones? We got stuck w/ an extra 20 after a project, and we need to unload them at cost, -- if anyone is interested send me a private message (i might be afk) i have a reference in the channel if you need. -- |
| 20:27.18 | Assid | is it difficult to set up poly501? |
| 20:27.35 | syle | i read the docs on it, only the first time |
| 20:27.40 | syzygyBSD | I think it is a little harder then a sipura, but it is straightforward after the first |
| 20:28.21 | syzygyBSD | the reboot time after changing the configuration is the only thing that bothers me |
| 20:28.31 | chandi | hey people ;) What does * do when it receives a DTMF through the INFO method (sip) and the call is bridged with an outgoing (DISA) call which is set to have dtmfmode=inband? does it recreate the sound for the callee ? |
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| 20:30.18 | Micc | Is it normal that my device would send its internal address instead of its NAT address to asterisk for SIP? Maybe this is my problem with dialout working but dialin not working. |
| 20:30.51 | *** part/#asterisk Peaceful (n=Peaceful@67.50.46.118) |
| 20:34.31 | Assid | syzygyBSD: does it have a web interface to configure everything? |
| 20:34.41 | syzygyBSD | Assid: yes |
| 20:35.00 | Assid | so i could just throw in all the settings at once.. and then give it a final reboot |
| 20:35.02 | syzygyBSD | more options then I will ever use too |
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| 20:35.44 | Assid | so you suggest this phone |
| 20:35.45 | [TK]D-Fender | Assid : You can do most of what you probably need through the web interface, but the really good stuff only comes when you provision the phones. |
| 20:35.55 | syzygyBSD | It looks like there are 3 main sections, each with many subsections, I think only 1 section at a time can be configured, however if you start configuring another section soonenough it may not reboot |
| 20:36.00 | Assid | provision the phones? |
| 20:36.05 | Assid | as in hands on? |
| 20:36.48 | [TK]D-Fender | Assid : Polycom phones can pick up a configuration file on boot from a server (FTP,TFTP,HTTP) in which you have rediculous control over its setup |
| 20:37.04 | [TK]D-Fender | They work off of XML config files. |
| 20:37.29 | Assid | hrmm |
| 20:37.35 | Assid | seems to be a nice phone then |
| 20:37.36 | [TK]D-Fender | I found FTP to be the easiest and most solid way of provisioning mine. |
| 20:37.40 | Assid | yeah |
| 20:37.44 | Assid | ftp.. i can do |
| 20:37.44 | [TK]D-Fender | Polycom's are solid phones.. |
| 20:37.48 | Assid | i dont like tftp |
| 20:37.56 | Assid | currently they are using sipura 841 |
| 20:38.02 | Assid | always something or another going haywire |
| 20:38.04 | [TK]D-Fender | me neither. I needed it for my Unidend which I hav grown to dislike.... |
| 20:38.08 | Assid | manufacturing defects |
| 20:38.21 | [TK]D-Fender | I've got an SPA-941 coming in tomorrow. |
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| 20:40.09 | bbz | what ports are 100% necesssary from a default * setup to be opened on a firewall? |
| 20:40.22 | fugitivo | bbz: no more polycoms? |
| 20:40.32 | [TK]D-Fender | bbz : depends on what kind of traffic you are opening up.... |
| 20:40.37 | tracinet | depends on what protocols you are runng |
| 20:40.38 | fugitivo | bbz: 5060 udp and 10000-20000 udp for sip |
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| 20:41.03 | Micc | in my invite header it shows mic@192.168.1.106:5061 Shouldn't that show my external address or is asterisk smart enough to know to send it back from where it came? |
| 20:41.03 | marcus2 | is anyone here doing call queues? |
| 20:41.24 | bbz | fugitivo: sorry! i missed your msg, just sent you one back |
| 20:41.29 | marcus2 | i've defined agents, all in group one, and then in the queue definition i have 'member => Agent/@1' |
| 20:41.34 | marcus2 | but when i do 'show queue' i get this: |
| 20:41.34 | marcus2 | Agent/@1 (Invalid) has taken no calls yet |
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| 20:42.52 | [TK]D-Fender | marcus2 : I don't think the @ is valid. |
| 20:44.13 | marcus2 | its in a sample in queue.conf :/ |
| 20:44.15 | bbz | fugitivo: excellent, thanks |
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| 20:44.49 | [TK]D-Fender | I suggest against it :) |
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| 20:45.12 | marcus2 | hehe |
| 20:45.16 | marcus2 | but i need agent groups :( |
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| 20:48.57 | Flauto | is there a way that i can monitor my asterisk to see phone activities? |
| 20:49.11 | [TK]D-Fender | marcus2 : Pastebin your queues.conf and agents.conf |
| 20:51.05 | docelmo | Say does anyone know if there is a way to split a variables contents inside of the dialplan? |
| 20:53.21 | kanobuho | docelmo, i think u can use the Cut command |
| 20:53.53 | kanobuho | dcelmo, it helps you to strip a part of the variable content |
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| 20:58.25 | Rav1974 | hi guys, I have AMP setup with 2 IAX2 providers and ZAP. I am trying to make it switch over to the 2nd provider or but it keeps trying to connect to the first provider |
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| 20:58.44 | Rav1974 | I would like it to failover within 1 second if the provider isn't available |
| 21:00.17 | Rav1974 | anybody home? |
| 21:00.27 | bbz | rav |
| 21:00.33 | bbz | lemme get you a url |
| 21:00.33 | bbz | sec |
| 21:00.47 | trixter | with bristuff you should be able to do a +201 priority and it will auto fail over |
| 21:00.59 | bbz | http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/hunt-dial+macro |
| 21:02.05 | Rav1974 | bbz you know its so hard to find stuff if you don't know the right words to search for :) |
| 21:02.15 | bbz | Rav1974: i know your pain ;) |
| 21:04.35 | docelmo | Well here is my delema.. I have a variable 30/6 rounding if you will.. I need to split the 30 and 6 into 2 different variables.. |
| 21:04.42 | docelmo | How would I accomplish that? |
| 21:04.44 | bbz | lol! |
| 21:04.48 | bbz | doc is still trying to round :) |
| 21:04.56 | docelmo | No I got that.. |
| 21:05.00 | docelmo | I had a PHP AGI issue.. |
| 21:05.06 | docelmo | Cant handle 100 calls a minute |
| 21:05.12 | docelmo | So now I am back to where I was.. |
| 21:05.33 | *** join/#asterisk Cherebrum (i=jgarland@72.36.136.226) |
| 21:05.57 | docelmo | I have groomed most of LCDial to work with what I need it for.. |
| 21:06.09 | kippi | can some one give me a quick example on how to ring an extension? exten => 471111,1, |
| 21:06.27 | docelmo | Dial(SIP/${EXTEN}) |
| 21:06.37 | docelmo | or ZAP or H323 etc |
| 21:07.08 | Cherebrum | I am having some problems with some Cisco 7960 sets at a client site. They say they are getting echo, jitter, and one way audio at times. I installed a Polycom IP500 set at the same office and I have no issues. The network has QOS and VLANs and is engineered as best I can get it, but nothing seems to fix the crappy Cisco phones. Anyone have these types of problems with Cisco sets? |
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| 21:08.26 | Cherebrum | The Cisco phones are running the SIP 7.3 firmware |
| 21:08.43 | kippi | any ideas why i am getting this? |
| 21:08.43 | kippi | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:08.44 | kippi | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:08.44 | kippi | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:09.21 | Hmmhesays | I've never had a problem with my 7960 |
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| 21:09.25 | *** mode/#asterisk [+o twisted] by ChanServ |
| 21:09.37 | syzygyBSD | was channel variable inheritance ever implemented? I can't get it to work |
| 21:09.38 | }cytrak{ | hey guys I'm setting a TE110P card I just got and I'm configuring the zaptel.conf file as shown in the digium website |
| 21:09.39 | tzafrir_laptop | kippi, look at your dialplan. Seems you have an empty variable in the Dial command |
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| 21:10.06 | kippi | tzafrir_laptop: w stack |
| 21:10.06 | kippi | <kippi> == Everyone is busy/congested at this time (1:0/0/1) |
| 21:10.07 | kippi | <Hmmhesays> I've never had a problem with my 7960 |
| 21:10.07 | kippi | * twisted has joined #asterisk |
| 21:10.17 | kippi | opps |
| 21:10.19 | kippi | sorry |
| 21:10.22 | }cytrak{ | the have a setup for using a T1 , but also for FXO/FXS channel banks .. what does that mean for the FXO/FXS setup ? |
| 21:10.22 | Hmmhesays | lol |
| 21:10.32 | Cherebrum | What firmware are you using on the 7960? |
| 21:10.50 | kippi | exte => 478101,1,Dial(SIP/${1006}) |
| 21:11.00 | }cytrak{ | I can plug in an analog line in that TE110P card and have it working as an FXS/FXO card for testing ? |
| 21:11.05 | Hmmhesays | POS3-07-4-00 |
| 21:11.12 | drumkilla | }cytrak{: no. |
| 21:11.16 | Cherebrum | I hear that one is the worst one of all. |
| 21:11.18 | tzafrir_laptop | well, ${1006} expanded to an empty string |
| 21:11.30 | Cherebrum | 7.4 is supposed to be REALLY broken. |
| 21:11.38 | Hmmhesays | Cherebrum: I use this phone every day and have for the last 5-6 months |
| 21:12.00 | wunderkin | Cresl1n: hey dude i gotta question for ya |
| 21:12.02 | Cherebrum | I wonder if maybe I've got some jitter and the Polycom is just better at fixing the problem. |
| 21:12.36 | Hmmhesays | ping -t between your endpoints |
| 21:12.39 | }cytrak{ | I seen now I would have to setup a T1 line between the Asterisk server to an actual device channel bank |
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| 21:14.25 | Cherebrum | Hmmhesays: 0.936 ms average on the lan |
| 21:14.56 | Hmmhesays | oh this is on a lan? |
| 21:15.06 | Cherebrum | Hmmhesays: 2.698 ms average to the sip endpoint |
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| 21:15.19 | Hmmhesays | you have any pings that are way off that? |
| 21:15.24 | Cherebrum | Hmmm: no |
| 21:15.34 | Hmmhesays | what happens when you send the cisco into an echo test? |
| 21:15.36 | Cherebrum | Hmmhesays: It's a point to point T1 with QoS on both end |
| 21:15.49 | Cherebrum | and a voice vlan |
| 21:15.51 | Rav1974 | bbz: I'm not sure a "hunt group" would work like a failover??? I'm not very good with the dialplan |
| 21:16.02 | Cherebrum | with priority on the vlan and on the TOS packets |
| 21:16.19 | Hmmhesays | obviously something isn't right there then |
| 21:16.27 | Cherebrum | my polycom phones work fine tho |
| 21:16.41 | Hmmhesays | at the same site? same cable? same jack? |
| 21:16.42 | Cherebrum | The Cisco ones just suck |
| 21:16.46 | Cherebrum | no |
| 21:16.53 | Cherebrum | all thruout the building the cisco phones suck |
| 21:16.58 | Cherebrum | but I can plug a polycom into the same jack |
| 21:17.01 | Cherebrum | and the problem goes away |
| 21:17.09 | kippi | yes!! |
| 21:17.14 | Hmmhesays | that is quite odd |
| 21:17.22 | kippi | just got my first incoming call in on asterisk :D |
| 21:17.37 | Hmmhesays | my cisco works fine over a crappy cable connection with about 4% packet loss |
| 21:17.40 | Rav1974 | kippi: hope it keeps on coming :) |
| 21:17.55 | Cherebrum | it makes me wanna rip out all the Cisco phones and put them on ebay and install all new IP501 phones |
| 21:18.06 | Hmmhesays | send me one |
| 21:18.11 | Cherebrum | They aren't mine |
| 21:18.13 | Hmmhesays | I'll let you, for free |
| 21:18.15 | Cherebrum | They are a client's phones |
| 21:18.16 | Rav1974 | Cherebrum: I'll take a few & spare you the ebay fees |
| 21:18.18 | Rav1974 | :) |
| 21:18.38 | Hmmhesays | its gotta be something in your network the cisco's don't like |
| 21:19.20 | Hmmhesays | ever thought about throwing a second nick in the asterisk box and going straight to it? see what happens? |
| 21:19.32 | }cytrak{ | what is the bchan and dchan in the zaptel.conf file ? |
| 21:19.50 | Cherebrum | I'm using a Cisco 3750 Switch with POE |
| 21:20.06 | Cherebrum | Hmmhesays: I have 2 nics on the box now |
| 21:20.13 | Hmmhesays | ok |
| 21:20.18 | Cherebrum | Hmm wan side and lan side |
| 21:20.39 | Hmmhesays | what are you using for qos? |
| 21:20.42 | Micc | man there are so many ways to configure asterisk and a sip device. |
| 21:20.52 | Hmmhesays | I only count 2? |
| 21:20.58 | Assid | Cherebrum: u dont like cisco ? |
| 21:21.03 | Hmmhesays | working, not working. |
| 21:21.05 | Hmmhesays | lol |
| 21:21.16 | Cherebrum | Assid: Cisco makes good routers. That's it! |
| 21:21.18 | Micc | well then i'm in the second configuration then. |
| 21:21.24 | Micc | not working. |
| 21:21.26 | Cherebrum | Cisco switches and phones suck ass |
| 21:21.30 | Micc | But I'm sort of in between. |
| 21:21.34 | Cherebrum | HP makes a good switch |
| 21:21.34 | tzafrir_laptop | }cytrak{, for ISDN (pri/bri). Which card do you have? |
| 21:21.38 | Hmmhesays | Gotta be something on your network making them freak |
| 21:21.38 | *** join/#asterisk shmaltz (n=chatzill@69.28.255.210) |
| 21:21.41 | Assid | these guys are picking up some polucoms.. i asked him to send me 1 |
| 21:21.44 | Hmmhesays | Micc, whats the problem? |
| 21:21.49 | }cytrak{ | I have a TE110P |
| 21:21.51 | Assid | i hope i get it |
| 21:21.54 | Cherebrum | Hmmhesays: They are on their own VLAN |
| 21:22.03 | Micc | It works dialing out but dial in doesn't work. It rings but then doesn't connect when I pickup. I'm seeing an unauthorized packet in the sip debug. |
| 21:22.05 | Hmmhesays | so take one off the vlan |
| 21:22.17 | Hmmhesays | Micc, nat or no nat |
| 21:22.21 | Cherebrum | I can't. Asterisk is on the VLAN |
| 21:22.23 | rbd | Cherebrum, I have 3 7940 series phones sitting right here....work fine for me...there's something in your environment |
| 21:22.31 | Assid | okay im out |
| 21:22.32 | }cytrak{ | tzafrir_laptop: I'm totaly new to this .... and I'm trying to set this up and try later on tonight to see if can make it work connected to the TELCO T1 line |
| 21:22.36 | Assid | eyes are turning red |
| 21:22.38 | Hmmhesays | so put another nick in and take them off to test |
| 21:22.38 | *** join/#asterisk ian_k (n=ian@gateway.digium.com) |
| 21:22.39 | Micc | Hmmhesays, NAT. |
| 21:22.42 | Assid | thats never a good sign |
| 21:22.55 | tzafrir_laptop | With T1-s the D channel is the last one |
| 21:22.58 | Hmmhesays | Micc: Asterisk and your endpoint behind the same nat? |
| 21:22.59 | }cytrak{ | tzafrir_laptop: my goal later on though is to make it working with a siemens officepro pbx box |
| 21:23.23 | *** part/#asterisk loick (n=loic@APuteaux-151-1-57-14.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 21:23.24 | Hmmhesays | my main goal is to not work very hard and make a comfortable living |
| 21:23.35 | }cytrak{ | hehe |
| 21:23.40 | Micc | Hmmhesays, no. asterisk is behind a 1 for 1 nat and my device is behind a linksys wrt54g |
| 21:23.52 | Hmmhesays | I bet its not registering huh? Micc |
| 21:24.04 | Micc | Hmmhesays, not it seems to be registering fine. |
| 21:24.13 | *** part/#asterisk Samoied (n=Samoied@201.11.106.202) |
| 21:24.17 | Hmmhesays | where is the second endpoint you are trying to call? |
| 21:24.18 | Cherebrum | Hmmhesays: I want to try MGCP or SCCP firmware on the Cisco phones and see if I have any better luck.. |
| 21:24.19 | Micc | Hmmhesays, I can even dial out from my device. |
| 21:24.22 | *** join/#asterisk loick (n=loic@APuteaux-151-1-57-14.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 21:24.31 | Hmmhesays | dial out to what destination |
| 21:24.47 | Micc | Hmmhesays, I'm dialing pstn numbers from my phone. The asterisk box has a PRI. |
| 21:24.56 | }cytrak{ | is do you guys know a site or book I can checkout to familiarize with those technical names ? |
| 21:25.20 | Hmmhesays | turn your verbosity up and pastebin it |
| 21:25.24 | }cytrak{ | i got no idea what a d channel means besides something to do with PRI |
| 21:25.26 | shmaltz | you gota love thos ags: |
| 21:25.27 | }cytrak{ | hehe |
| 21:25.28 | shmaltz | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051121/ap_on_hi_te/sony_copy_protection;_ylt=AuRvK3CuTPPWBXhbXSTyX2EjtBAF;_ylu=X3oDMTA5aHJvMDdwBHNlYwN5bmNhdA-- |
| 21:26.56 | Micc | hmmhesays, ok. |
| 21:27.36 | Hmmhesays | I cannot sing when I smoke an entire pack of cigarettes at the bar the night before |
| 21:28.06 | fugitivo | smoking is bad |
| 21:28.16 | Hmmhesays | only if you want to live |
| 21:28.49 | shmaltz | fugitivo, it aint bad, it's just unhealthy |
| 21:29.06 | kippi | when i phone my asterisk box i can hear my own voice when i talk |
| 21:29.07 | shmaltz | I used to smoke ~3 pakcs a day |
| 21:29.10 | shmaltz | it was good |
| 21:29.22 | zoa | kippi, that is called echo |
| 21:29.22 | shmaltz | kippi, so you got massive echo, I guess |
| 21:29.32 | kippi | yep. how can you fix thi? |
| 21:29.36 | shmaltz | kippi, how are you connected to that asterisk box? |
| 21:29.36 | Micc | Hmmhesays, you want to see the sip debug messages or just verbosity 9 messages? |
| 21:29.44 | Hmmhesays | verbose first |
| 21:29.46 | kippi | ISDN |
| 21:29.50 | Micc | ok. |
| 21:29.53 | *** join/#asterisk mesfet (n=iw3grx@ppp-217-133-38-177.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) |
| 21:30.57 | Micc | http://pastebin.ca/30093 |
| 21:31.12 | Hmmhesays | spend a little time, pickin' wild flowers |
| 21:31.23 | shmaltz | kippi, how is the ISDN connected to asterisk? |
| 21:31.29 | shmaltz | zaptel? |
| 21:31.31 | kippi | yeah |
| 21:31.41 | Hmmhesays | Micc and your phone rings? |
| 21:31.45 | Micc | yup |
| 21:31.46 | blop | isdn zaptel ?! |
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| 21:32.03 | tzafrir_laptop | blop, zapbri,in bristuff |
| 21:32.04 | Hmmhesays | show your dialplan |
| 21:32.12 | shmaltz | kippi, sorry I got disconnected |
| 21:32.14 | shmaltz | zaptel? |
| 21:32.30 | kippi | i believe so |
| 21:32.31 | Micc | Hmmhesays, my dialplan for that is just Dial(SIP/mic2) |
| 21:32.48 | Hmmhesays | wait you're dialing pri-->sip? |
| 21:32.55 | Micc | Hmmhesays, I have an entry for my phone number then just strait to Dial. |
| 21:33.00 | shmaltz | kippi, believing is not good enough, you connected it? |
| 21:33.09 | kippi | yeah |
| 21:33.19 | Micc | Hmmhesays, Actually, right now for testing I'm doing an extension in my from-iax context. |
| 21:33.41 | Hmmhesays | so you're going iax2-->sip right now? |
| 21:33.41 | Micc | I'm using Idefisk. I have extension 702,1,Dial(SIP/mic2) |
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| 21:33.51 | Micc | Right. |
| 21:34.04 | Micc | For testing right now anyways. |
| 21:34.16 | Hmmhesays | so iax2-->asterisk-->INTARWEBS-->nat-->sip phone? |
| 21:34.19 | Micc | I can use my cell phone to dial through the PRI if that will help. |
| 21:34.24 | shmaltz | kippi, how did you connect it? |
| 21:34.35 | shmaltz | whats the URL for the new features in 1.2? |
| 21:34.43 | Hmmhesays | so iax2-->asterisk-->NAT-->INTARWEBS-->nat-->sip phone? |
| 21:34.49 | Micc | Hmmhesays, yes, the second one. |
| 21:34.54 | syzygyBSD | what is the best way to provision Polycom 501s? I have to do several and waiting 5 minutes for each reboot seems like a waste of time |
| 21:35.11 | Hmmhesays | you got your localnet and externip set right? |
| 21:35.37 | ender | syzygyBSD: ftp. |
| 21:35.38 | shmaltz | syzygyBSD, use ftp or https, or tftp |
| 21:35.43 | Micc | Hmmhesays, yeah. The local net on the asterisk side has two local nets 192.168 and 10.1 |
| 21:35.45 | chapeaurouge | i just wrote a script to ease the pain of pastebin.ca |
| 21:35.47 | chapeaurouge | http://www.madpenguin.org/blogs/chapeaurouge/?p=92 |
| 21:35.54 | chapeaurouge | use at will!!! |
| 21:36.04 | Micc | Hmmhesays, and I have both set in sip.conf |
| 21:36.11 | Hmmhesays | and externip? |
| 21:36.15 | kippi | ISDN using zaptel and zapata |
| 21:36.41 | Micc | yeah its set to the right IP. |
| 21:36.43 | shmaltz | kippi, what type of card? |
| 21:36.48 | shmaltz | kippi, you compiled it? |
| 21:36.51 | kippi | TE110P |
| 21:36.54 | Hmmhesays | aight, post a sip debug |
| 21:36.59 | Micc | It should be forewarding all packets sent to the external IP to the internal ip. Its a 1 to 1 nat. |
| 21:37.11 | Hmmhesays | i dislike nat |
| 21:37.11 | Micc | so 207.66.239.102 is 10.1.0.102 |
| 21:37.15 | Hmmhesays | aight |
| 21:37.18 | Hmmhesays | post a sip debug |
| 21:37.27 | trixter | gah a simple BTS that can only do 8 channels is $36,000 |
| 21:37.29 | Hmmhesays | from start of the call to when you answer then hang up |
| 21:37.31 | fugitivo | nat is nice, sip behind nat sucks |
| 21:37.38 | Micc | Hmmhesays, I wonder though if it is still not forewarding all UDP packets. |
| 21:37.46 | trixter | that is just way too much for what is in effect a $100-300 radio and a bit of software |
| 21:37.50 | Hmmhesays | I could tell you if you do this |
| 21:37.55 | Hmmhesays | post a sip debug |
| 21:37.58 | Hmmhesays | ;) |
| 21:38.18 | Hmmhesays | if you pay me i'll just fix it for you |
| 21:39.18 | Micc | http://pastebin.ca/30096 |
| 21:39.25 | Hmmhesays | d*mnit voipjet is still down |
| 21:39.28 | chapeaurouge | Micc, used my script? :P |
| 21:39.45 | kippi | shmaltz: TE110P |
| 21:39.48 | Micc | chapeaurouge, no? what script? |
| 21:39.55 | chapeaurouge | http://www.madpenguin.org/blogs/chapeaurouge/?p=9 |
| 21:39.59 | chapeaurouge | 92 |
| 21:40.00 | chapeaurouge | not 2 |
| 21:40.06 | chapeaurouge | http://www.madpenguin.org/blogs/chapeaurouge/?p=92 |
| 21:40.10 | shmaltz | kippi, in /usr/src/zaptel/zconfig.h what echo can is enabled? |
| 21:40.24 | fugitivo | kb1 |
| 21:41.15 | Micc | chapeaurouge, thats a cute little penguin. Did you make him yourself? |
| 21:41.20 | kippi | shmaltz: its not there |
| 21:41.32 | shmaltz | kippi, whats not there? |
| 21:41.35 | chapeaurouge | it's my site mascot, Vic (well, 'our' site with the others) |
| 21:42.00 | kippi | shmaltz: /zaptel/zconfig.h |
| 21:42.39 | shmaltz | right kippi, I told you to check for /usr/src/zaptel/zconfig.h and not /zaptel/zconfig.h |
| 21:43.02 | kippi | yeah, i did and its not there |
| 21:43.21 | Hmmhesays | notice you're not getting a whole lot back from 24.16.x.x there Micc |
| 21:43.39 | shmaltz | kippi, how did you compile zaptel? |
| 21:43.47 | Micc | Hmmhesays, you think the firewall is catching it all? |
| 21:44.11 | kippi | diguim did it for me |
| 21:44.21 | Hmmhesays | Micc: yes, theres nothing coming back |
| 21:44.23 | Micc | Hmmheysays, well something is taking the packets. I'll eliminate the obvious. |
| 21:44.34 | Hmmhesays | you see the Invite 4 times, 0 response |
| 21:44.59 | Micc | Hmmheysays, I don't know the protocol well enough to know if it looks right or not. I suppose if I was patient I could have figured it out. |
| 21:45.05 | Micc | Hmmheysays, thanks for you help. |
| 21:45.06 | Hmmhesays | that would stand to reason the 207 addy is not letting much back through |
| 21:45.12 | shmaltz | kippi, what do you mean they did it for you? |
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| 21:45.43 | Hmmhesays | are you using 5061 for call signaling on purpose? |
| 21:45.56 | kippi | I installed asterisk, and then hey did the zaptel setting up |
| 21:46.32 | shmaltz | kippi, why? you married their daughter? |
| 21:46.52 | kippi | because i couldn't do it |
| 21:47.16 | shmaltz | kippi, you missing the point, did they charge for it? |
| 21:47.27 | shmaltz | or was it part of support of buying it? |
| 21:47.35 | kippi | support |
| 21:49.29 | shmaltz | kippi, I got to go,in zconfig.h there should be the echo can, you should try kb1 that should help you or play around until you find the one that might help you, or ask someone else. I gtg |
| 21:49.31 | shmaltz | bye |
| 21:50.20 | Micc | Hmmhesays, 5061 is for the second line. This PAP2-NA has 5060 for line1 and 5061 for line 2 as default. Not sure if it has to be that way. |
| 21:50.36 | Hmmhesays | kind of odd |
| 21:51.23 | Hmmhesays | do any of your endpoints outside the 207 nat work? |
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| 21:52.38 | shmaltz | i'm back |
| 21:52.48 | Hmmhesays | I was starting to get lonely |
| 21:53.02 | shmaltz | lol |
| 21:53.15 | Micc | Hmmhesays, is there a way I can test it without asterisk? |
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| 21:53.27 | Hmmhesays | Whats it worth to you? |
| 21:53.28 | Micc | Hmmhesays, and what UDP ports do I need to pass through? |
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| 21:54.07 | Micc | Hmmhesays, how much do you want to fix this problem for us? |
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| 21:54.20 | Micc | keep in mind, we are cheap. |
| 21:54.48 | shmaltz | Micc, I'm not out to ruin Hmmhesays day, but whats the problem? i might not charge |
| 21:55.08 | Hmmhesays | i'm giving him a hard time |
| 21:55.10 | Hmmhesays | check your pm Micc |
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| 21:56.40 | }cytrak{ | hmm the TE110P card with the T1 allows me to have say 23 line righ t |
| 21:57.17 | [TK]D-Fender | }cytrak{ : Yup |
| 21:57.26 | }cytrak{ | if I have an IVR menu which is an extension number than the IVR should be able to pick 23 lines ? |
| 21:58.17 | }cytrak{ | does that make sense ? |
| 21:58.56 | [TK]D-Fender | }cytrak{ : On a PRI (the typical language used on a T1 type circuit), the telco terminates DID (direct Inward Dial) numbers on it. You know both the number that the caller used to reach your PRI and their number (caller ID). What you do with it from there is up to you |
| 21:59.51 | sahafeez | }cytrack{: you have 24 lines on a t1. 23B+1D on a pri. |
| 22:00.19 | trixter | with NFAS you can get the 24th on the 2nd pri but if the first goes down they both go down cause they both share the same D channel |
| 22:00.38 | trixter | does asterisk even support NFAS? |
| 22:00.44 | }cytrak{ | I guess the sip and zap setup is kind of confusing me |
| 22:01.11 | [TK]D-Fender | }cytrak{ Believe me, Zaptel setup for a PRI is dead simple. SIP takes more to tell you the truth... |
| 22:01.34 | }cytrak{ | I'm doing ok on the sip side but I just started on the zap |
| 22:01.40 | }cytrak{ | got do some reading |
| 22:02.03 | [TK]D-Fender | Well a PRI takes only a handful of lines to set up and thats it... |
| 22:04.19 | }cytrak{ | i guess there will be a way in the dialplan for me to tell if someone is calling this XXXX then answer it , use this zap channel, run this AGI and hung when user is done. the problem arrives when the same number is dialed at the same time ... would asterisk take care of choosing a free channel and runing another AGI like and it can with sip ? |
| 22:05.28 | [TK]D-Fender | }cytrak{ : An incoming call will just fall on the next available channel. |
| 22:05.36 | }cytrak{ | cool |
| 22:06.06 | [TK]D-Fender | you can have more DID's than PSTN accesses (a PRI has 23 normally. I have over 100 DID's pointing at it) |
| 22:06.12 | }cytrak{ | and if it is an AGI it will just get picked up since it's never busy |
| 22:06.12 | [TK]D-Fender | mine* |
| 22:06.32 | [TK]D-Fender | I'm not sure I understand what AGI has to do with this, but ok.... |
| 22:07.00 | }cytrak{ | i guess nothing it's just what I'm trying to do |
| 22:07.00 | [TK]D-Fender | * can answer whatever call comes in against whatever DID was dialed and do whatever you want with it. That help? :) |
| 22:07.10 | }cytrak{ | yeah |
| 22:07.14 | }cytrak{ | thank you |
| 22:07.44 | iDunno | can an AGI hand back to the dialplan? |
| 22:07.46 | }cytrak{ | next step i guess zapata.conf |
| 22:07.57 | iDunno | I assume that it can by dialing a Local/number extension. |
| 22:07.57 | }cytrak{ | iDunno: yeah it does |
| 22:08.21 | [TK]D-Fender | good! At my company I have different IVR's for certain DID's and certain DID's right directly at employyee desks. I have 2 blocks of 50 DID's each. 1 Block for Direct To Extension Voice. and the other for SPANDSP faxing to employee e-mail. |
| 22:08.34 | iDunno | I should really get round to moving some of the logic for the phone system out in to an AGI because it'd make it easier for me :) |
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| 22:08.42 | }cytrak{ | iDunno: actually you mean something like jumping to another context in the dialplan ? or just moving down the priority |
| 22:09.10 | iDunno | }cytrak{: within the same context, different extension |
| 22:10.06 | iDunno | hence Dial(Local/${EXTEN}) in effect ;) |
| 22:10.51 | }cytrak{ | iDunno: you should be able to do it from the AGI or just set a channel var during the AGI run , when you get out of the AGI make sure the next priority checks the var and moves to another extension |
| 22:11.25 | }cytrak{ | which then can call another agi ... i think that might work , but again that is just in theory :-) |
| 22:12.22 | iDunno | }cytrak{: makes sense to me - at the moment there's not enough extensions registered for me to worry too much, but I get to scale up the dialplan in a few months to deal with our main office rather than the smaller london office :) |
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| 22:13.16 | *** part/#asterisk xai (n=pasta@cpe-24-27-58-18.austin.res.rr.com) |
| 22:15.12 | }cytrak{ | cool |
| 22:15.17 | }cytrak{ | using zap ? |
| 22:16.11 | iDunno | well, the london office uses a simple hfc-pci card, only 2 lines, but then there's only 4 phones ;) |
| 22:16.54 | Druken | iax uses what ports? |
| 22:16.59 | iDunno | brighton office will probably be quad bri, so 8 lines with somewhere approaching 20 phones :) |
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| 22:18.42 | }cytrak{ | has anyone seen this error: chan_agent.so failed |
| 22:18.59 | }cytrak{ | trying to start up asterisk with zaptel and libpri now |
| 22:19.57 | }cytrak{ | opps my bad .. I think I screwed up the compiling and install by leaving an older version of asterisk instaled |
| 22:20.39 | Hmmhesays | anyone still using teliax? |
| 22:22.51 | *** join/#asterisk saitech (n=admin@85.235.237.14) |
| 22:23.21 | saitech | my asterisk box is giving me this failure every 5 minutes. "HDLC Bad FCS (8) on Primary D-channel" |
| 22:23.26 | saitech | can anybody help? |
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| 22:24.07 | wunderkin | hey Cresl1n, are you available for a minute? |
| 22:24.25 | X-Files | twisted: hey, you there ? |
| 22:24.35 | wunderkin | saitech: have you checked for irq sharing? |
| 22:25.41 | [TK]D-Fender | saitech : Loks like you have a clocking problem.... |
| 22:28.01 | saitech | how do i check if it is a clocking problem and for irq sharing on debian ? |
| 22:28.12 | saitech | im not a linux guru, but just a linux user ! |
| 22:29.24 | wunderkin | cat /proc/interrupts should check for sharing |
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| 22:29.50 | Hmmhesays | anyone use teliax? i need to find a back int'l provider |
| 22:29.57 | wunderkin | show the span line in /etc/zaptel.conf to check for the clock setting |
| 22:30.07 | saitech | CPU0 |
| 22:30.07 | saitech | 0: 19616846 XT-PIC timer |
| 22:30.07 | saitech | 1: 2 XT-PIC keyboard |
| 22:30.07 | saitech | 2: 0 XT-PIC cascade |
| 22:30.08 | saitech | 5: 497461675 XT-PIC cciss0, ehci_hcd, wct4xxp, usb-uhci, usb-uhci, eth0 |
| 22:30.08 | saitech | 8: 4 XT-PIC rtc |
| 22:30.10 | saitech | 14: 9 XT-PIC ide0 |
| 22:30.12 | saitech | NMI: 0 |
| 22:30.14 | saitech | LOC: 19397754 |
| 22:30.16 | saitech | ERR: 0 |
| 22:30.18 | saitech | MIS: 0 |
| 22:30.22 | saitech | whats my result |
| 22:30.43 | wunderkin | that would be a problem since everything is sharing irq 5 |
| 22:31.05 | saitech | hmm.. any idea of how i could change the irq of the wildcard ? |
| 22:31.08 | [TK]D-Fender | Ummmm YEAH.. holy ^&%$ its crowded in there.... |
| 22:31.11 | wunderkin | move your nic and t1 card |
| 22:31.30 | saitech | move it physically ? |
| 22:31.50 | wunderkin | sometimes thats the only way, i guess some bios will let you assign the irq to the slot |
| 22:32.04 | [TK]D-Fender | saitech : you need to go into your BIOS and try to dedicate an IRQ toa slot on your MB and move the TDM card there. |
| 22:32.07 | saitech | okay.. il try.. i have ilo access on the machine |
| 22:32.19 | saitech | thx a lot. .i hope to god it works :) |
| 22:33.04 | }cytrak{ | am i doing something wrong now ? I'm installing asterisk after installing zaptel and libpri . both installed fine. but now asterisk fails to start when I use -vvvgc |
| 22:33.27 | saitech | }cytrak{ what is the last message when you type asterisk -cvv ? |
| 22:35.54 | }cytrak{ | it says that chan_modem.so cannot be found ... which is true since it is not there |
| 22:36.27 | saitech | in /etc/asterisk/modules.conf type noload=>chan_modem.so |
| 22:36.45 | }cytrak{ | I had asterisk working before with a pre1.2 version i had compiled and now a compiled it again with zaptel,libpri and asterisk 1.2 |
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| 22:36.57 | }cytrak{ | saitech: I don't need the modem ? |
| 22:37.21 | saitech | inno, but try NOT to load it. with a noload => chan_modem.so |
| 22:38.02 | }cytrak{ | alright if i say that in the modules.conf file it runs |
| 22:38.19 | }cytrak{ | but what is that for and how come this time it was not compiled ? |
| 22:38.51 | saitech | maybe because it has overwritten you modules.conf file |
| 22:39.37 | saitech | im not a guru, so im not sure, but its my best shot |
| 22:39.52 | }cytrak{ | cool thx though |
| 22:40.22 | saitech | np |
| 22:40.36 | }cytrak{ | taking off ... |
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| 22:49.38 | kuku5 | so lots of bugs in 1.2? |
| 22:51.21 | mog_work | no its bug free.... |
| 22:52.02 | Nivex | I personally haven't run into any genuine bugs, but there were some changes I had to configure around. Of course, I'm also not using it in production. |
| 22:53.49 | ptiggerdine | Nivex, have had the opportunity to doco the changes ( I assume you went from 1.0 to 1.2?) and add them to the wiki? |
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| 23:01.42 | FuriousGeorge | howdy all |
| 23:09.54 | FuriousGeorge | its quiet in here. did i misspell asterisk? |
| 23:10.07 | FuriousGeorge | no, im inthe right place :) |
| 23:10.58 | FuriousGeorge | so i use this dynamic ip -> static url service, and i got a client built in to my gateway, and its all well and good, until the ip changes, and it's still looking for the old ones |
| 23:11.18 | marcus2 | hrm, i'm having really strange problems with call queues |
| 23:13.23 | bbz | Would anyone here be interested in some Polycom 501 phones? We got stuck w/ an extra 20 after a project, and we need to unload them at cost, -- if anyone is interested send me a private message (i might be afk) i have a reference in the channel if you need. -- |
| 23:13.36 | syzygyBSD | marcus2: like what? I am just setting some up |
| 23:13.58 | marcus2 | my asterisk box has a pri to a lucent phone system, and a bunch of sip clients |
| 23:14.28 | marcus2 | if the queue has agents logged in with callbacks for both sip clients and for extensions on the pri, the pri extensions never get calls |
| 23:14.45 | FuriousGeorge | bbz: is that retail cost or wholesale cost, if its the former thats kinda steep for a used phone :P might as well get a new one |
| 23:14.46 | marcus2 | if all of the agents that are logged in are extensions on the pri, then it works as it should |
| 23:16.16 | FuriousGeorge | i also notice that one of my boxes (with a dsl isp) doesnt like to register with another (cable isp) even when its got the right ip. it just times out. |
| 23:16.17 | FuriousGeorge | its odd |
| 23:17.17 | [TK]D-Fender | marcus2 : Pastebin you Queues.conf, agents.conf, and extensions.conf so we can see how things should be working |
| 23:21.27 | marcus2 | http://pastebin.ca/30133 |
| 23:21.55 | marcus2 | its also pretty wierd about the first caller in the queue |
| 23:22.18 | marcus2 | it gives them moh right away, and then says its playing the hold time announcement, but all the caller hears is moh |
| 23:22.27 | marcus2 | and then after playing the hold time announcement, it turns off moh |
| 23:22.58 | [TK]D-Fender | Ok there are no extens for your agents in [ext] like there should be |
| 23:23.32 | file | everytime I have to manually trigger a faxblast, a little part of my dies inside |
| 23:23.37 | marcus2 | i forgot to include those in the bit i pasted, sorry. that part works fine |
| 23:23.48 | marcus2 | agents can login for callbacks just fine |
| 23:23.58 | [TK]D-Fender | ok, try to include everything so we don't miss something... |
| 23:24.32 | marcus2 | my extensions.conf is 600 lines, most of it cruft from the default sample extensions.conf |
| 23:25.32 | [TK]D-Fender | ok, well paste some MORE of the affected part... |
| 23:26.07 | marcus2 | http://pastebin.ca/30134 |
| 23:27.26 | marcus2 | http://pastebin.ca/30137 |
| 23:27.29 | [TK]D-Fender | ugh... ok, paste it ALL and just let me sift through it :) |
| 23:27.54 | [TK]D-Fender | I need to see where you are jumping around to... |
| 23:28.01 | [TK]D-Fender | that is one whacked queue |
| 23:28.07 | marcus2 | how is it whacked? |
| 23:28.36 | [TK]D-Fender | Using "Answer" in one of the dials, Goto in another.... and for that one I can't see what it does when you jump.... |
| 23:29.02 | marcus2 | look at my most recent pastebin, it has the [legacy] block |
| 23:30.03 | [TK]D-Fender | I don't see it... |
| 23:30.04 | marcus2 | oh, hm |
| 23:30.09 | marcus2 | http://pastebin.ca/30137 |
| 23:30.10 | marcus2 | http://pastebin.ca/30137 |
| 23:30.12 | marcus2 | ack, sorry |
| 23:30.20 | marcus2 | the Answer thing, good point |
| 23:31.01 | [TK]D-Fender | ICK... |
| 23:31.08 | marcus2 | i bet thats part of the problem :) |
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| 23:32.18 | [TK]D-Fender | I also don't think the goto's work that way... not sure it pattern matching works on those kind of things. |
| 23:32.32 | marcus2 | oh, no, thats part is fine |
| 23:33.01 | [TK]D-Fender | well kill the answers.... |
| 23:33.05 | [TK]D-Fender | thats for sure |
| 23:33.07 | marcus2 | yeah rewriting the extensions.conf now |
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| 23:33.16 | kink0 | buenas noches |
| 23:33.49 | marcus2 | that was obvious, i feel dumb now ;) |
| 23:33.58 | [TK]D-Fender | Yourstripcid for testing purposes? |
| 23:34.04 | marcus2 | nope, thats there for a reason |
| 23:34.06 | marcus2 | and it works properly |
| 23:34.22 | [TK]D-Fender | You keep saying that but not telling us what it is :) |
| 23:34.26 | marcus2 | oh, sorry |
| 23:34.57 | marcus2 | if a call is from a local extension on the asterisk system, i want only the last 4 digits of the cid passed to the Zap/g2 channel |
| 23:35.19 | marcus2 | i replaced our area code and extension with 123456 |
| 23:35.48 | [TK]D-Fender | So all of your ext's have CID's longer than 6? |
| 23:36.05 | marcus2 | all of our extensions have full 10 digit CIDs |
| 23:36.21 | [TK]D-Fender | and have DID's pointing at them? |
| 23:36.25 | marcus2 | yep |
| 23:37.07 | [TK]D-Fender | wierd. normally you keep your local ext # for internal purposes and only set CID to 10-digit for PSTN use during a dial-out |
| 23:37.17 | marcus2 | yeah, i realize that now |
| 23:37.28 | [TK]D-Fender | I mean really... who wants to type 10 digits to call their co-workers? :) |
| 23:37.38 | marcus2 | well, you can dial 4 digits to call a coworker |
| 23:37.45 | marcus2 | but your cid will show up on their display with 10 digits |
| 23:37.51 | marcus2 | which i realize now is bad |
| 23:38.10 | [TK]D-Fender | I have DID's for my employees too. 8xxx. Their external DID's are 514-940-8xxxx to match but I don't make people dial THAT :) |
| 23:38.14 | marcus2 | but, for the time being, that little gosub crap in legacy does actually work properly |
| 23:38.27 | [TK]D-Fender | I'm sure it does, its just painful :) |
| 23:38.35 | [TK]D-Fender | shall I propose a minor cleanup? |
| 23:38.41 | marcus2 | i was happy to make it work at all =D |
| 23:38.44 | marcus2 | sure, i'm all ears |
| 23:38.58 | marcus2 | i've been using asterisk for 2 years now, but this is the first time i've set it up for a real corp environment |
| 23:39.06 | marcus2 | in the past it was just a few extensions at home |
| 23:39.20 | marcus2 | so i never put any real thought into a manageable dial plan =D |
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| 23:40.36 | [TK]D-Fender | http://pastebin.ca/30140 |
| 23:41.14 | marcus2 | all i see is some extra spacing in there now |
| 23:41.30 | marcus2 | once i get queues working as i want, i'm going to tackle having a decent outbound trunking dial plan |
| 23:41.36 | [TK]D-Fender | better yet... http://pastebin.ca/30141 |
| 23:41.38 | marcus2 | and fix CID for all of my extensions |
| 23:41.46 | [TK]D-Fender | Look closer.... |
| 23:42.02 | marcus2 | ok yeah thats cleaner |
| 23:42.04 | marcus2 | for legacy |
| 23:42.06 | [TK]D-Fender | got rid of the answers, and look how we reduce the size of Legacy |
| 23:42.15 | marcus2 | but the real answer is to let the outbound trnking rules add the first 6 digits of the CID |
| 23:42.21 | [TK]D-Fender | jumps out of the way 1 line if it doesn't match |
| 23:42.30 | marcus2 | rather than having them hardcoded in each extension |
| 23:42.31 | kink0 | off-topic: I have connected my cell phone to the PC ussing an USB cable, I am able to do ATZ, ATE1 .. but all rest AT commands fails |
| 23:42.35 | [TK]D-Fender | marcus2 : there are a lot of nifty ways to do that... |
| 23:42.41 | marcus2 | yeah i've seen some examples |
| 23:42.45 | kink0 | yessss !! I pretend to use it under asterisk !! |
| 23:43.04 | kink0 | but at the momento i just try ussing a minicom terminal |
| 23:43.41 | [TK]D-Fender | marcus2 : if your server is accessable I can drop you a copy of a sample extensions.conf I pass around a lot for you to examine. |
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| 23:44.03 | marcus2 | if you want to email it to me that'd be cool |
| 23:44.32 | [TK]D-Fender | I can't from here, but if you can give me an ftp acct to dump it to I can. |
| 23:44.38 | marcus2 | marcus.net/incoming |
| 23:45.50 | [TK]D-Fender | Allows anonymous? |
| 23:45.55 | marcus2 | yep |
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| 23:47.01 | [TK]D-Fender | done |
| 23:47.04 | marcus2 | thanks |
| 23:47.22 | [TK]D-Fender | go take a look |
| 23:48.07 | marcus2 | i dont see anything new in there |
| 23:48.27 | [TK]D-Fender | oops |
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| 23:49.24 | [TK]D-Fender | there |
| 23:49.37 | [TK]D-Fender | I tried dumping 1 level lower and it LOOKED like it worked... |
| 23:50.04 | marcus2 | yeah i see it now |
| 23:50.28 | marcus2 | cool, i'll take a look at it |
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| 23:51.32 | marcus2 | looks like it has some good stuff in it |
| 23:52.02 | [TK]D-Fender | I tried to modularize it as much as possible and will be modding it to its final form whenI set up my home server again |
| 23:52.32 | [TK]D-Fender | But it should read very clean. It does make some assumptions of always using SIP that I will make more "generic". |
| 23:52.58 | marcus2 | although i dont see where you are adding the npa/nxx to your cid for outbound calls |
| 23:53.19 | [TK]D-Fender | I don't :) this was made more for a POTS setup than PRI. |
| 23:53.26 | [TK]D-Fender | but its easy to do |
| 23:53.29 | marcus2 | yeah i'm about to |
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| 23:54.18 | X-Files | twisted: heya, you there ? |
| 23:54.59 | [TK]D-Fender | marcus2 : just add a line to change the callerID and add the prefix. |
| 23:55.54 | Utah_Dave | [TK]D-Fender: I'd like to see that file. |
| 23:56.41 | [TK]D-Fender | exten => _9x.,1,Set(CALLERID(number)=123456${CALLERID(number)}) |
| 23:56.41 | [TK]D-Fender | exten => _9x.,2,Dial(Zap/g1/${exten:1}) |
| 23:57.33 | marcus2 | exten => s,1,SetCallerID(123456${CALLERIDNUM}) |
| 23:57.43 | marcus2 | is there any reason i shouldnt use setcallerid? |
| 23:57.52 | [TK]D-Fender | marcus2 : can you fix the permissions on the file so Utah_Dave here can dl it? |
| 23:58.05 | [TK]D-Fender | marcus2 : its depreciated. You on 1.2 yet? |
| 23:58.27 | marcus2 | yeah i'm on 1.2, show application setcallerid doesnt say deprecated, but i'll take your word for it |
| 23:58.35 | marcus2 | ftp://marcus.net/extensions-gen2.conf |
| 23:58.49 | [TK]D-Fender | they made a function for it now... |
| 23:59.06 | marcus2 | wait... which way is deprecated |
| 23:59.11 | marcus2 | using set(callerid) or setcallerid() ? |
| 23:59.15 | [TK]D-Fender | the old setcallerid |
| 23:59.21 | marcus2 | oh ok |
| 23:59.29 | marcus2 | what does CALLERID(number) mean exactly? |
| 23:59.35 | marcus2 | whats the (number) ? |
| 23:59.40 | marcus2 | oh wait, i bet i get it |
| 23:59.46 | marcus2 | theres also CALLERID(name) ? |
