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| 00:08.07 | Seldon1975 | Hi guys. http://pastebin.com/460225 is my extensions.conf and it diverts callers to an extension they key in after an intro. .. can you tell me how to add a divert to extenhsion 201 if they dont key an extension after 5 seconds? |
| 00:09.12 | matt30au | can anyone help me with a problem I have... im unable to receive incoming calls.. im able to make outgoing calls without problem, but incoming calls wont go to where they should |
| 00:12.08 | SkramX | hi al |
| 00:12.30 | SkramX | *all |
| 00:12.41 | SkramX | oh the question... who should I help first.. |
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| 00:20.06 | [TK]D-Fender | Seldon1975 : exten => s,7,Set(TIMEOUT(response)=5) |
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| 00:20.27 | [TK]D-Fender | Seldon1975 : exten => t,1,Dial(SIP/201,15) |
| 00:20.53 | [TK]D-Fender | the timout sets a time limit for responding. the "t" one is where they end up if they just sit around |
| 00:22.26 | Seldon1975 | cheers again D-Fender |
| 00:24.49 | [TK]D-Fender | np |
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| 00:25.35 | jahani | hi |
| 00:25.39 | jahani | how tyo fix this error |
| 00:25.40 | jahani | Dec 11 18:49:25 WARNING[5230]: channel.c:2313 set_format: Unable to find a codec translation path from g723 to ilbc |
| 00:25.41 | jahani | ? |
| 00:26.20 | marc32422 | NOTICE[2559]: chan_sip.c:10815 handle_request_register: Registration from xxx@yyy.ccc failed. Username/aut PBX1*CLI> NOTICE[2559]: chan_sip.c:10815 handle_request_register: Registration |
| 00:26.37 | marc32422 | whats not working? |
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| 00:33.08 | [TK]D-Fender | jahani : Have you licensed G723 ? |
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| 00:34.14 | jahani | no |
| 00:34.21 | [TK]D-Fender | Thats why then! |
| 00:34.22 | jahani | it is not free? |
| 00:34.28 | [TK]D-Fender | NO |
| 00:34.32 | jahani | ok |
| 00:36.30 | file | not by a long shot |
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| 00:52.38 | Seldon1975 | hi |
| 00:52.55 | Seldon1975 | how do I get outgoing calls to sieze any availalbe trunk in group 1 |
| 00:54.02 | Seldon1975 | is it: exten=>_9.,1,Dial(Zap/g1/${EXTEN:1}) |
| 00:54.11 | wunderkin | yes |
| 00:54.40 | Seldon1975 | hmm |
| 00:55.00 | Seldon1975 | for some reason that makes all outgoing calls dial internal extension 213 |
| 00:55.20 | Seldon1975 | is that really the correct syntax? |
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| 00:55.56 | wunderkin | what exten are you calling |
| 00:56.19 | Seldon1975 | im dialling 9289259600 |
| 00:56.46 | trixter | does anyone have a good solution to get voip numbersi s the US national registry (so the numbers are available to directory assistance) |
| 00:56.48 | wunderkin | something else is picking it up then, do a show dialplan and look |
| 00:56.51 | Seldon1975 | before I had a specific trunk instead of 'g1' and it was working |
| 00:57.10 | Seldon1975 | the only thing I changed was g1 (from 19) |
| 00:57.53 | Seldon1975 | even 94162720900 now goes to internal extension 213 |
| 00:57.56 | Seldon1975 | how odd |
| 00:58.31 | Seldon1975 | oh |
| 00:58.36 | Seldon1975 | i think i know what is wrong |
| 00:58.43 | Seldon1975 | the groups are set up wrong in zaptel.conf |
| 00:58.57 | Seldon1975 | zapata i mean |
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| 01:00.27 | Seldon1975 | ok works now |
| 01:00.42 | Seldon1975 | bye yall |
| 01:01.19 | trixter | ha! and he spent like 20 minutes arguing over the suggestion rather than just trying it :P |
| 01:01.35 | harryvv | looking for rates for philipines |
| 01:02.35 | trixter | harryvv: for personal or resale? |
| 01:02.39 | shido6 | really... |
| 01:02.57 | shido6 | sell to me, harryvv |
| 01:04.03 | harryvv | trixter for resale |
| 01:04.41 | harryvv | to bad there wasnt a web site that has rates. |
| 01:05.19 | trixter | I am sure there is a website, the problem is that everyone is competing (which is a good thing generally speaking) so you have to find a provider that will route there |
| 01:05.28 | trixter | as opposed to a generic listing of everyone.. |
| 01:05.30 | harryvv | I know |
| 01:05.54 | harryvv | so far my carrier cannot compete with telus, our nation wide carrier. |
| 01:05.56 | trixter | however that same ocmpetititon prevents things like enum from really taking off, no one wants to use enum unless everyone wants to use enum ... so for the most part there isnt any enum |
| 01:06.31 | benjk | that's why we absolutely MUST boycott Skype |
| 01:06.48 | trixter | harryvv: ask on the asterisk-biz mailnig list, you may get a better answer, detail what you want, how it is to be used (ie resale, for business or residential, etc) and all of that |
| 01:07.45 | mog_home | enum is lame |
| 01:07.51 | mog_home | dundi is better ^_^ |
| 01:08.05 | harryvv | ben, wont happen. skype has like 40% of the voip services from what i read. |
| 01:08.36 | benjk | I doubt that very much |
| 01:08.38 | mog_home | lol |
| 01:08.49 | mog_home | i bet a big provider has most |
| 01:08.50 | mog_home | like at&t |
| 01:08.59 | mog_home | why terminate long distance in your own network |
| 01:09.05 | mog_home | when you can voip all but endpoints |
| 01:09.09 | trixter | mog_home: trying to start a flame war eh? :P |
| 01:09.22 | benjk | I have had over 20.000 downloads of MacOS X Asterisk builds |
| 01:09.24 | mog_home | no i just think skype is not the penultimate of voip |
| 01:09.40 | trixter | I meant over enum vs dundi |
| 01:09.45 | benjk | Yet, I don't think there are anywhere near as many Mac users running them |
| 01:09.53 | benjk | Skype is Hype |
| 01:10.00 | benjk | the name alone should tell you that |
| 01:10.07 | trixter | heh |
| 01:10.14 | benjk | they may be download kings |
| 01:10.15 | SkramX | benjk: you the one in Japan? |
| 01:10.18 | benjk | but that's about it |
| 01:10.18 | harryvv | skye went for over 2 billion in purchace price |
| 01:10.21 | mog_home | i think dundi would be better system than enum as it promotes commerce and not a monopoly |
| 01:10.23 | harryvv | which is insane |
| 01:10.32 | benjk | which is a result of they hype ONLY |
| 01:10.38 | benjk | yes, I am in JP |
| 01:10.41 | trixter | well the kazaa founders used p2p way too much in describing skypes technology, just to get people who are all about the torrents (which have surpassed kazaa is usage) to buy into skype |
| 01:10.49 | trixter | but they did what they wanted, they sold it for a shitload of cash |
| 01:10.51 | SkramX | benjk: rockon |
| 01:10.53 | mog_home | its not all hype, i mean they do good things but its not the ultimate |
| 01:11.26 | benjk | skype do no such thing |
| 01:11.30 | benjk | its 100% evil |
| 01:11.41 | mog_home | agreed |
| 01:11.49 | mog_home | but they are terminating quite a few million minutes |
| 01:11.51 | benjk | they intend to become the MSFT of VoIP |
| 01:11.59 | mog_home | its just not all that impressive to me |
| 01:12.00 | harryvv | so is skype basicly a dns for voip ? thay dont funnel the data stream between end points but only provide adressing? |
| 01:12.08 | trixter | skype does some things very well, its just that its proprietary so you cant connect arbitrary stuff to it :( if they w ould release more details it would be easier for people to support it, personally I would love it if asterisk supported skype but without jumping through hoops and ghetto rigging it it isnt viable |
| 01:12.14 | mog_home | most of the time haryvv |
| 01:12.15 | trixter | certainly not viable in a professional environment |
| 01:12.19 | mog_home | but its not as good as iax |
| 01:12.24 | benjk | skype doesn't even do things well |
| 01:12.28 | mog_home | and its where we are heading |
| 01:12.29 | benjk | that's hype too |
| 01:12.40 | trixter | skype is ebay now ... which wants to become the MSFT on the net |
| 01:12.41 | benjk | its a messy hack |
| 01:12.42 | mog_home | telephony companies will just connect you to an end point |
| 01:12.49 | mog_home | not handle the call |
| 01:12.55 | mog_home | as there is very little point to it |
| 01:13.02 | trixter | paypal is gonna be at etel my guess is to push a skype add on |
| 01:13.46 | trixter | benjk: skype does nat traversal and firewall avoidance better than a lot of other things, infact skype has certain things in it to make firewalling skype harder - although not impossible |
| 01:14.08 | mog_home | its easy to stop skype there are loads of guides to it |
| 01:14.12 | benjk | the way to do NAT traversal is how IAX and LTP do it |
| 01:14.13 | mog_home | its better than sip |
| 01:14.41 | benjk | Skype is yet another BAD design of the SIP/H323/MGCP crowd |
| 01:14.51 | trixter | yes its easy although if it doesnt get out on its primary method it has some backups including SSL |
| 01:14.57 | trixter | https specifically |
| 01:15.05 | harryvv | anyone here has there ccna? |
| 01:15.11 | trixter | so it becomes more problematic to allow outbound ssl but restrict skype |
| 01:16.02 | dogtanian | skype doesn't support SIP |
| 01:16.31 | harryvv | what do thay support? |
| 01:16.34 | mog_home | who said it did? |
| 01:16.37 | mog_home | skype |
| 01:16.38 | benjk | skype don't support SIP, but its design has borrowed from SIP |
| 01:16.42 | mog_home | or pstn |
| 01:16.55 | harryvv | is its voip protocol its own? |
| 01:17.02 | mog_home | yes |
| 01:17.13 | benjk | yes, that's the problem |
| 01:17.18 | dogtanian | skype will never open to IAX or anything else for market reasons |
| 01:17.27 | benjk | its a proprietary secret closed protocol |
| 01:17.47 | dogtanian | same as the reasons what int eh early days ppl using ICQ and MSNM couldn't communicate with each other |
| 01:18.15 | benjk | precisely |
| 01:18.36 | benjk | and there again, the message should be, don't use any of those, use something open like Jabber |
| 01:18.44 | dogtanian | yeah |
| 01:18.47 | mog_home | yay jabber |
| 01:18.58 | dogtanian | I couldn't believe it when skype sold for that much |
| 01:19.20 | dogtanian | just shows how little industry analysts know about tech stuff |
| 01:19.27 | dogtanian | stupid bankers :) |
| 01:19.28 | shido6 | muHahahaAhaAHA |
| 01:19.36 | dogtanian | unfortunately i work with a bunch of them |
| 01:19.41 | mog_home | i think money was just going from the left pocket to the right pocket |
| 01:19.44 | benjk | but hype always sells |
| 01:20.10 | dogtanian | i hope that people junp ship from skype very soon |
| 01:20.15 | dogtanian | *jump |
| 01:20.26 | benjk | I don't that's going to happen |
| 01:20.44 | dogtanian | i recckon it will once IP phones become more mainstream |
| 01:20.56 | benjk | I have been trying to convince people to use Gizmo instead of Skype |
| 01:20.58 | dogtanian | and ISP's start offering VOIP-in-a-box services |
| 01:21.52 | benjk | it's just as simple from an end user point of view, the client is actually nicer with more features, its lighter, not a resource hog, it allows inbound and outbound PSTN etc etc etc |
| 01:22.18 | benjk | yet, people are not easily convinced to even try it |
| 01:22.55 | dogtanian | i guess it doesn't have the press coverage that skype has |
| 01:23.02 | benjk | precisely |
| 01:23.11 | benjk | it doesn't have the hype factor |
| 01:23.12 | dogtanian | it looks just like skype with a better UI if you ask me |
| 01:23.18 | benjk | and that is what skype is about |
| 01:23.22 | benjk | hype and nothing else |
| 01:23.34 | benjk | yes |
| 01:23.36 | dogtanian | for people who want functionality IAX is the only way to go |
| 01:23.39 | benjk | and its based on SIP |
| 01:23.50 | dogtanian | ah - i didn't realise it was sip |
| 01:23.59 | mog_home | it isnt |
| 01:24.04 | benjk | sure, IAX is way better, but at least if it is SIP, it can interconnect |
| 01:24.15 | benjk | mog: Gizmo is SIP |
| 01:24.38 | dogtanian | lol |
| 01:24.49 | benjk | Gizmo uses sipphone.com |
| 01:24.53 | dogtanian | I bet Gizmo runs on Asterix |
| 01:24.56 | mog_home | i thought you were talking of skype |
| 01:25.03 | benjk | No, it runs on SER |
| 01:25.03 | mog_home | Asterisk.... |
| 01:25.08 | dogtanian | yeah :) |
| 01:25.13 | mog_home | please no asterix..... |
| 01:25.26 | benjk | no, we were talking about Gizmo, mog |
| 01:25.29 | dogtanian | lol - yah i realised it was a typo as soon as i pressed enter |
| 01:26.08 | benjk | Let's hope that those crazy French comic book publishers won't set their eyes on Asterisk |
| 01:26.10 | dogtanian | i wonder what the awareness % if teh Skype brand-name is |
| 01:26.15 | dogtanian | heh |
| 01:26.23 | dogtanian | -if +of |
| 01:26.36 | mog_home | i was kinda suprised my parents hadnt heard of vonage |
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| 01:26.40 | mog_home | or skype |
| 01:26.42 | benjk | I love the comic books, but they are nuts with their paranoid trademark suits |
| 01:26.47 | dogtanian | lol |
| 01:26.57 | dogtanian | i doube many people have heard of Vonage int eh UK |
| 01:27.09 | mog_home | well im in us |
| 01:27.11 | JT | that's why their comic is asterix not asterisk |
| 01:27.13 | asteriskmonkey | does anyone have a good copy of macro-dial-result for a pri :) |
| 01:27.17 | JT | asterisk is in the dictionary |
| 01:27.19 | dogtanian | i'd say about 5% recognition for Skype and Vonage |
| 01:27.46 | benjk | yes, but they have set claims to anything that is very remotely similar |
| 01:28.06 | benjk | for example they sued this German Mobile Unix web site |
| 01:28.10 | mog_home | i was kinda suprised % of people who didnt know earth revolves around the sun |
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| 01:28.12 | benjk | it was called mobilix |
| 01:28.18 | benjk | they sued and won |
| 01:28.30 | JT | that's ridiculous |
| 01:28.31 | dogtanian | maybe we ought to start our own VOIP service... spend a few hundred thousand on marketing, and flog it for a few £billion to some venture capital fools |
| 01:28.39 | mog_home | it was like 10% |
| 01:28.40 | benjk | now how similar is mobilix to asterix and obelix ??? |
| 01:28.59 | asteriskmonkey | guys anyone have a good macro-dial-result? ... |
| 01:29.09 | dogtanian | mog_home: lol - yeah - people are generally stupid |
| 01:29.14 | mog_home | macro-dial-result? |
| 01:29.18 | mog_home | its not stupid |
| 01:29.23 | mog_home | just ignorant |
| 01:29.37 | dogtanian | same thing :) |
| 01:29.41 | mog_home | i mean personally, i couldnt tell earth revolved around sun just by looking at it |
| 01:29.44 | mog_home | someone told me |
| 01:29.46 | mog_home | and i learned |
| 01:30.01 | benjk | mog especially in the US it is not surprising if people don't know that the earth revolves around the sun |
| 01:30.18 | benjk | they are even challenging Darwin now |
| 01:30.20 | JT | they thing it revolves around them |
| 01:30.23 | JT | think |
| 01:30.35 | asteriskmonkey | mog_home: its a macro used to do the right error code back to the user when you have a pri |
| 01:30.35 | benjk | has nothing to do with nationalism |
| 01:30.37 | dogtanian | a lot of people prefer watching Jerry Springer compared to going to school to learn about celestial objects |
| 01:30.59 | benjk | the US simply has a large percentage of religious fanatics |
| 01:31.00 | dogtanian | benjk: LOL yeah. all that creationism stuff |
| 01:31.02 | JT | humanity is very self destructive |
| 01:31.17 | mog_home | i still know evolution happened |
| 01:31.43 | benjk | in a way, the US is the Christian equivalent to radical islamic states like Saudi Arabia |
| 01:31.46 | mog_home | or is the most probably of out comes to how we got here |
| 01:32.06 | mog_home | well i disagree in that us is the most unchristian like state in my mind |
| 01:32.11 | dogtanian | i'm a roman-catholic turned agnostic, but i still think some religons are 'better' than others |
| 01:32.12 | mog_home | way to commercialistic |
| 01:32.34 | dogtanian | benjk: Saudi isn't particularly radical in the scheme of islam |
| 01:32.42 | benjk | Ah yeah? |
| 01:32.46 | benjk | have you been there? |
| 01:32.50 | benjk | I have |
| 01:33.11 | benjk | and I have seen things you wouldn't even dream of in your wildest nightmares |
| 01:33.13 | dogtanian | benjk: iran, iraq, syria, and then any country than ends with ***-stan, and then saudi.. quatar etc |
| 01:33.20 | benjk | no way |
| 01:33.24 | dogtanian | My uncle works there |
| 01:33.25 | benjk | Saudi is the most radical |
| 01:33.39 | Dr-Linux | question, "agent.conf" what should i put in the http.conf to access it via web brwoser? |
| 01:33.40 | Dr-Linux | ; The optional directory to save the conversations in. The default is |
| 01:33.40 | Dr-Linux | ; /var/spool/asterisk/monitor |
| 01:33.40 | Dr-Linux | ;savecallsin=/var/calls |
| 01:33.46 | harryvv | benjk, I know enough about the middle east. Worked with people from the millitary who been there. |
| 01:33.47 | dogtanian | in the Royal Air Force attached to the saudi government |
| 01:34.00 | Dr-Linux | httpd.conf* |
| 01:34.02 | benjk | the military know shit about the KSA |
| 01:34.09 | benjk | they are kept in ghettos |
| 01:34.09 | harryvv | ksa? |
| 01:34.16 | benjk | Kingdom of Saudi Arabia |
| 01:34.22 | dogtanian | Saudi: the house of Saud is prolly as rational as islamic society gets |
| 01:34.42 | MikeJ[Laptop] | jordan? |
| 01:34.44 | harryvv | ben, unless you have served in the US armed forces thay know ALOT more then you would ever know. |
| 01:34.50 | benjk | they Saudis cannot afford to let US military personnel show up outside of the bases |
| 01:34.53 | dogtanian | that's pretty moderate too |
| 01:35.01 | Dr-Linux | dogtanian: you called my name "Saud" |
| 01:35.02 | benjk | it would cause a revolution |
| 01:35.04 | Dr-Linux | :) |
| 01:35.43 | dogtanian | heh - yeah soz i've been awake too long |
| 01:35.44 | benjk | fact is that the US military in the KSA is locked into their bases |
| 01:36.06 | benjk | there is no US military in Riyad |
| 01:36.26 | harryvv | BTW I saw the premire of Syriana over a week ago its good. It gives hints about the problems with the oil industry. |
| 01:36.30 | dogtanian | i'm pretty sure the Royal Air Force is there |
| 01:36.37 | asteriskmonkey | ManxPower: you around? |
| 01:36.48 | harryvv | syriana was filmed partly in Sadia Arabia |
| 01:36.57 | dogtanian | the british millitary give loads of support to KSA |
| 01:37.04 | Dr-Linux | US military to get in everywhere, afghanistan, Iraq, Kwait, my area(Pakistan tribals) |
| 01:37.05 | harryvv | benjk, umm..yes there was. |
| 01:37.06 | dogtanian | cool |
| 01:37.10 | dogtanian | i'll look out for that |
| 01:37.18 | dogtanian | i love political films |
| 01:37.23 | benjk | the only RAF officers in Riyad would be a handful of attaches at the UK embassy and they wouldn't be in uniform either |
| 01:37.33 | Dr-Linux | dogtanian: where is Usama? :) |
| 01:37.49 | harryvv | dog i could not watch the entire movie. my company was hired by Warner Bros to look for piraters of the movie. |
| 01:37.57 | dogtanian | benjk - nahh - they're uniformed. they maintain the Saudi Air force |
| 01:38.06 | benjk | on the base |
| 01:38.10 | benjk | not in public |
| 01:38.14 | dogtanian | yeah |
| 01:38.15 | harryvv | I almost went to desert storm |
| 01:38.15 | dogtanian | :) |
| 01:38.38 | dogtanian | harryvv: lol |
| 01:38.41 | benjk | in any event, KSA is the most radical islamic state, there can be no doubt |
| 01:38.45 | dogtanian | i hate copywright |
| 01:39.36 | Dr-Linux | Pakistan is better than KSA, bcoz they didn't let US military in :) |
| 01:39.39 | dogtanian | benjk: uhm - what about Iran |
| 01:39.52 | dogtanian | Iran who "want to wipe isreal off the map" |
| 01:40.16 | Dr-Linux | Iran is next target of USA military |
| 01:40.19 | benjk | that's just outbursts of a puppet leader |
| 01:40.20 | dogtanian | Pakistan are quite moderate too |
| 01:40.32 | dogtanian | Dr-Linux: agreed |
| 01:40.41 | benjk | Iranians have a fairly free society compared to KSA |
| 01:40.42 | dogtanian | i's say within 5 years for certain |
| 01:41.21 | benjk | compared to the KSA, Iran is almost a Westernised country |
| 01:41.23 | Dr-Linux | Pakistan previous presedent got in Jail, otherwise US military would be in Pakistan |
| 01:42.27 | dogtanian | musharraf is generally a pro-west president tho |
| 01:42.44 | benjk | in Saudi Arabia you can easily be executed by an islamic mob |
| 01:42.50 | Dr-Linux | Iran is India and Iran is bound use their Atoms weapons bcoz of CTBT, Pakistan is not though |
| 01:43.04 | benjk | all it takes is three muslim witnesses reporting something to the imam |
| 01:43.18 | benjk | then the religious police will pick you up |
| 01:43.34 | dogtanian | benjk: yup very true... |
| 01:43.35 | benjk | and you will be tried and executed by an islamic mob |
| 01:43.39 | benjk | no courts |
| 01:43.44 | benjk | no defense |
| 01:43.49 | mog_home | so back to asterisk... |
| 01:43.54 | dogtanian | benjk: although the government see these radicals as much as a threat as the west do |
| 01:44.00 | Dr-Linux | dogtanian: musharaf is an army guy, he put the Pakistan X presedent in the Jail, who was with USA to hit Pakistan with Usama name after Afghanistan |
| 01:44.30 | benjk | the government cant do much about it and the religious police is a government agency |
| 01:45.06 | dogtanian | i didn't think the religious police tended to have much contact with westerners |
| 01:45.08 | Dr-Linux | Now, US army says Usama is in pakistan Tribal areas, but Pakistan doesn't let them to go in.. bcoz of that fight my 2 cousins are died recently |
| 01:45.46 | benjk | if you walk around in Riyad in short pants, you will see how little contact the religious police have with foreigners |
| 01:45.47 | dogtanian | yeah - Osama is probably hiding amongst the pashtun |
| 01:45.53 | dogtanian | ..int eh border areas |
| 01:46.21 | dogtanian | benjk: yeah - absolutely... but westerners know not to do that anyway |
| 01:46.40 | Dr-Linux | dogtanian: I'm Pashtun, but thats lie , Osama is not here |
| 01:46.46 | benjk | the point was however that the KSA is the most radical islamic state |
| 01:46.49 | dogtanian | that's where the west think he is |
| 01:47.07 | dogtanian | khyber pass area |
| 01:47.08 | benjk | The US government has no interest in capturing or killing OBL |
| 01:47.38 | Dr-Linux | Osama is in US hands ... but that is just a key, which is good approach for US plans |
| 01:47.44 | dogtanian | heh - yeah - if the saddam trial is anythign to go by, there'd be no point at all |
| 01:47.57 | benjk | that's not the point |
| 01:48.09 | dogtanian | benjk: i still reckon iran is far more radical - in terms of government level |
| 01:48.11 | benjk | they need OBL as an evil enemy |
| 01:48.24 | dogtanian | true |
| 01:48.28 | mog_home | so i have a problem with asterisk@home |
| 01:48.33 | dogtanian | lol |
| 01:48.39 | mog_home | it wont dial out |
| 01:48.50 | benjk | just like Nazi Germany needed the Jews and the Versailles treaty for their propaganda |
| 01:49.01 | Dr-Linux | dogtanian: let me know something, if US says Osama is in Pashtun area, why they don't try to get in pashtun area? |
| 01:49.12 | mog_home | so yeah anyways |
| 01:49.23 | mog_home | i dont think i have my card configured right |
| 01:49.26 | mog_home | can anyone help me |
| 01:49.28 | benjk | because OBL is of more use to the US unknown than captured or dead |
| 01:49.37 | *** join/#asterisk m160858 (n=jsaenz@200.89.12.46) |
| 01:49.40 | azop | anyway to debug a ZAP FXS port? |
| 01:49.55 | azop | when I pickup a FXS extension i hear either nothing, or just crackling on the line |
| 01:49.56 | mog_home | what do you mean debug azop? |
| 01:49.56 | benjk | they can restrict civil liberties thanks to OBL being at large |
| 01:50.06 | wunderkin | mog_home, oh call digium.. they can support the installation of the card |
| 01:50.11 | wunderkin | :P |
| 01:50.14 | benjk | they even won an election thanks to OBL being at large |
| 01:50.14 | dogtanian | Dr-Linux: because the area is completely tribal and lawless... in fact Pakistan government legaly doesn't have any authority in teh tribal areas if its further than a few hundred yards from a main road |
| 01:50.19 | Dr-Linux | benjk: no, you know what? we are pashtun, and you know to whome we are fighting? |
| 01:50.33 | harryvv | I told people in another channel that it will take over 1 to 2 years or more to FIND OBL and im still right. |
| 01:50.39 | dogtanian | Dr-Linx: and the US millitary don't have much apitite for more casualties |
| 01:51.03 | wunderkin | mog_home, so your phone only works if you call digium? |
| 01:51.07 | trixter | the military seems to have a largely different opinion from those that get the most press |
| 01:51.11 | mog_home | yeah |
| 01:51.13 | mog_home | isnt that odd |
| 01:51.14 | benjk | It doesn't matter who has authority or power over Pakistan's tribal areas |
| 01:51.20 | Dr-Linux | dogtanian: but Tribals are fighting |
| 01:51.24 | benjk | if the US government wanted OBL dead, he would be dead |
| 01:51.32 | Dr-Linux | but not with US |
| 01:51.37 | benjk | put 1 billion USD bounty on his head |
| 01:51.38 | *** part/#asterisk m160858 (n=jsaenz@200.89.12.46) |
| 01:51.39 | harryvv | trixter, largely different opinion? |
| 01:51.39 | wunderkin | must be user error |
| 01:51.43 | benjk | and he will be dead within a year |
| 01:51.46 | trixter | he may or may not be dead, right now however its better to have him alive and on the loose than dead |
| 01:51.47 | dogtanian | Dr-Linux: tribals are always fighting... that's what they do... they've been fighting since the beginning of time |
| 01:51.59 | mog_home | lol whats a user error |
| 01:52.00 | trixter | he did have some severe medical conditions |
| 01:52.02 | mog_home | and how can i fix it |
| 01:52.04 | harryvv | benjk, trying to find one person in a population of millions is extreemly difficult. |
| 01:52.05 | benjk | ex-mossad and ex-kgb teams will go after him |
| 01:52.06 | trixter | like failing kidneys |
| 01:52.12 | mog_home | i need this to work my whole business is down |
| 01:52.27 | benjk | and they will be financed by venture capital |
| 01:52.30 | harryvv | mog what business |
| 01:52.46 | mog_home | my huge telemarketing business |
| 01:53.04 | trixter | what I love to hear is all the left wingers saying that bush lied to get us into the war with iraq, yet clinton himself said he doesnt think bush lied becuase he was told the same exact stuff by the same exact people |
| 01:53.22 | trixter | a lie must be intentional and knowing, merely stating a false fact is not a lie unless you know it to be false at the time you said it |
| 01:53.23 | Dr-Linux | dogtanian: no, they are just fighting now, bcoz Pakistan army is hitting their home, but :( i'm tribal and my most of family is in Pakistan army .. so we are just fighting with each other... just bcoz of we don't let US army IN .. |
| 01:53.44 | trixter | and that is why clinton believes bush over iraq.. yet that only got aired 1 time on TV and no one ever beings that up |
| 01:53.46 | trixter | er brings |
| 01:53.53 | benjk | trixter, I don't care if it was a lie or not |
| 01:53.54 | dogtanian | benjk: i agree - money talks in those areas.. an afgan aquaintiance of mine once told me that if a tribal member thinks you have $3 on you... and a bullet costs $2... he'll shoot you and take the $profit |
| 01:53.59 | trixter | because they know if they do they have almost no arguments over him since that is the largest one they have |
| 01:54.04 | benjk | it was the most stupid and foolish thing to do |
| 01:54.20 | *** join/#asterisk rob0 (i=1007@sorry.no-ip-here.net) |
| 01:54.21 | trixter | what was more foolish was allowing stuff to happen for 8 years and doing nothing about it |
| 01:54.29 | benjk | it has given the radical islamist movement a boost they could never have hoped for otherwise |
| 01:54.34 | trixter | the world trade center in 1993 (the first attack), the USS cole, 2 embassies and a marine barracks |
| 01:54.37 | trixter | the list goes on |
| 01:54.43 | benjk | Bush is the best recruiter for them ever |
| 01:54.46 | trixter | the radicals are not as radical as they once were |
| 01:55.04 | trixter | keep in mind most of the homocide/suicide bombers arent doing anything its all remote detonated IEDs |
| 01:55.11 | trixter | that there shows a weakening in their resolve |
| 01:55.18 | harryvv | trixster some of my guys I probebly knew in the kobe towers died as a result of the truck bomb. |
| 01:55.20 | mog_home | terrorist. |
| 01:55.23 | Dr-Linux | dogtanian: wrong, you no one can shout anyone in tribal areas, thats our rules, even if you kill me and you come to my area, you will be safe, but in otherwords you will not safe in US |
| 01:55.27 | trixter | if as you say they had stronger recruitment they would have more people not less willing to blow themselves up |
| 01:55.48 | benjk | mog: try something other than "telemarketing" |
| 01:55.52 | benjk | ;-) |
| 01:56.12 | wunderkin | well earlier i was going to say asterisk sucks, openpbx rules... |
| 01:56.13 | mog_home | half of the people who use asterisk telemarket |
| 01:56.29 | mog_home | lol that is pretty solid wunderkin |
| 01:56.34 | dogtanian | benjk: yup i agree about bush being the best recruiter |
| 01:56.39 | trixter | I am setting up outbound call center stuff in asterisk |
| 01:56.46 | Dr-Linux | but i agree, i can't run keyboard keys, but i have used many weapons |
| 01:56.53 | mog_home | see my point exactly |
| 01:57.11 | trixter | it pays the bills, and actually in california where my server is its not as easy as you may think, you have to register with the state (they do not me) have to get a $100k bond in the states name, etc |
| 01:58.04 | trixter | an exemption is like some of my customers, who do reminders of appointments and all, they dont have to do that becuase they have a preexisting business relationship and all that |
| 01:58.18 | benjk | I am not saying it is wrong to be a telemarketer, I was merely suggesting that this is a subject that may not attract as much interest as mog had hoped |
| 01:58.27 | Dr-Linux | benjk: can you back to my question? * |
| 01:58.41 | mog_home | meh |
| 01:58.44 | shido6 | reminders? |
| 01:58.49 | shido6 | I have a script that does that |
| 01:58.55 | mog_home | i think most asterisk questions here revolve around callcenters |
| 01:58.55 | shido6 | totally replaced a secretary |
| 01:58.57 | shido6 | felt bad |
| 01:59.21 | benjk | not all call centres are telemarketing though |
| 01:59.47 | benjk | Dr-Linux: what question? |
| 02:00.02 | mog_home | i lump evil with evil |
| 02:00.31 | benjk | why would a call centre be evil? |
| 02:00.40 | benjk | what about support hotlines? |
| 02:00.48 | mog_home | you ever have to call a call center |
| 02:00.51 | mog_home | its no fun |
| 02:00.53 | trixter | is it evil for the dr office to make a phone reminder the day before an appointment? |
| 02:00.54 | trixter | I think not |
| 02:00.58 | benjk | it depends |
| 02:01.02 | trixter | that is one example of an outbound call center |
| 02:01.24 | trixter | is it evil for a prescription company to send out a notice that your drugs are in the mail (rxscripts for example does that) |
| 02:01.26 | trixter | I think not |
| 02:01.39 | benjk | then again, "no fun" and "evil" is still quite a distance apart |
| 02:01.43 | trixter | that could be applied to automated messages informing customers of shipment of any products, but drugs in the mail you really wanna keep after |
| 02:01.43 | harryvv | how long doing this now trixter |
| 02:01.52 | trixter | I dont service rxscripts |
| 02:02.13 | trixter | but my mother gets calls from them because she buys through them, far cheaper given her meds are $65/mo after insurance |
| 02:02.20 | trixter | and its like half that through rxscripts |
| 02:02.55 | hhoffman | I'm getting a "ast_yyerror(): syntax error: syntax error, unexpected TOK_EQ, expecting TOK_MINUS or TOK_COMPL or TOK_LP or TOKEN;" while testing If[0 = 0]; should I be using something like -eq instead? |
| 02:03.25 | trixter | hhoffman: that happens if you have a null variable |
| 02:03.32 | trixter | I see that like if ENUMLOOKUP fails |
| 02:03.49 | trixter | asterisk if parser doesnt handle null tokens very well |
| 02:04.08 | hhoffman | trixter: thanks... I'll try to figure what's not getting passed in correctly |
| 02:04.58 | trixter | it should tell you |
| 02:05.13 | hhoffman | exten => *122,2,Read(ext_num,vm-extension) exten => *122,4,Read(ext_pwd,vm-password) exten => *122,6,AGI(vm_auth.agi|${ext_num}|${ext_pwd}) should read in the correct variables, right? |
| 02:05.16 | trixter | look around that error, mine tells me the line where it failed |
| 02:05.38 | hhoffman | yeah, I see " = 0" |
| 02:05.44 | *** join/#asterisk techie (n=gus@adsl-068-209-242-072.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) |
| 02:05.46 | trixter | so its the LHS |
| 02:06.56 | rob0 | hi, a dumb question here ... just installed a new * 1.2.1, FXO card, demo is working. The sample [mainmenu] does not work: "File thanks does not exist in any format". Is there a sample main menu included? |
| 02:07.20 | shido6 | check /var/lib/asterisk/sounds/* for the file its looking for |
| 02:07.23 | shido6 | if its not there |
| 02:07.26 | shido6 | then put it there |
| 02:07.28 | mog_home | eww asterisk@home? |
| 02:07.28 | shido6 | and all will be well |
| 02:08.37 | Dr-Linux | shido6: question "agents.conf" what should i put in apache httpd.conf to access it via web browser? |
| 02:08.37 | Dr-Linux | ; The optional directory to save the conversations in. The default is |
| 02:08.37 | Dr-Linux | ; /var/spool/asterisk/monitor |
| 02:08.37 | Dr-Linux | ;savecallsin=/var/calls |
| 02:09.03 | Dr-Linux | i'm sorry |
| 02:09.06 | Dr-Linux | this below |
| 02:09.06 | Dr-Linux | ; The text to be added to the name of the recording. Allows forming a url link. |
| 02:09.07 | Dr-Linux | ;urlprefix=http://localhost/calls/ |
| 02:10.08 | zigman | is there a way to prepent a timestamp to the cli output ( not the cli prompt) |
| 02:11.04 | *** join/#asterisk doughecka (n=Miranda@unaffiliated/doughecka) |
| 02:11.38 | wunderkin | zigman, asterisk -rT |
| 02:12.08 | Dr-Linux | trixter: any clue? |
| 02:12.40 | trixter | lemme read |
| 02:12.51 | Dr-Linux | ok thanks |
| 02:12.55 | trixter | I told you all this in privmsg earlier |
| 02:12.57 | rob0 | I understand, "exten => s,n,Background(thanks)", that "thanks" should be a sound file in /var/lib/asterisk/sounds. But what I'm wondering, is if in all this, is there a regular PBX-style main menu, like Allison saying "Thank you for calling, if you know your party's extension ..." et c. |
| 02:13.17 | trixter | you have to set up a web server and change the httpd.conf or hwatever or agents.conf so they both goto the same dir... |
| 02:13.24 | trixter | so that urlprefix will work for that dir.. |
| 02:13.40 | rob0 | the sample "[mainmenu]" in extensions.conf is not working in that regard. |
| 02:14.18 | *** join/#asterisk Sedorox (i=brandon@smartserv/cna/Sedorox) |
| 02:14.22 | zigman | wunderkinhtanks |
| 02:14.37 | zigman | but you need to start asterisk with -T |
| 02:14.48 | zigman | otherwise only the first for line are with a timestamp |
| 02:15.31 | wunderkin | i get timestamps, but not on everything.. |
| 02:16.03 | zigman | i use safe_asterisk |
| 02:16.11 | zigman | and i need to add the -T to that script |
| 02:16.15 | wunderkin | yeah i do too |
| 02:16.32 | zigman | on what lines are you not getting the timestamp ? |
| 02:16.41 | zigman | and.. can i configire it ? |
| 02:17.18 | Dr-Linux | trixter: actually, its says /var/calls but i can't see any calls dir at /var/ location ? :S |
| 02:17.19 | wunderkin | i think like debug, warnings, etc are the only ones that get timestamps |
| 02:17.33 | trixter | why does the discovery channel do a neanderthal show with people whose noses look like italians? are they saying something? |
| 02:17.47 | trixter | Dr-Linux: maybe you have to make that dir |
| 02:17.59 | Dr-Linux | hhm.. |
| 02:17.59 | trixter | or change it to where the webserver will read from, somewhere under your htdocs dir |
| 02:18.16 | trixter | it meeds to be writable by the asterisk user and readable by httpd |
| 02:18.34 | trixter | odds are rwx asterisk r-x httpd to make sure everything works properly |
| 02:18.37 | zigman | really.. i get them on the hole diaplan |
| 02:18.47 | trixter | directory 'x' means searchable ... something desirable |
| 02:19.00 | Dr-Linux | yeah, i know i can change it to htdocs location, but what about index.htm or other pages, they will be auto generated or what you think? |
| 02:19.26 | trixter | no but with apache if you go into a dir and options +Indexes you will see the files in that dir |
| 02:20.03 | rob0 | "< mog_home> eww asterisk@home?" If that was to me, no, this was a source code install. |
| 02:20.42 | Dr-Linux | hhm.. |
| 02:21.02 | mog_home | i |
| 02:21.08 | Dr-Linux | Dr-Linux: the files will be generated, or its already there with installation? :S |
| 02:21.13 | mog_home | i was kidding |
| 02:21.43 | rob0 | :) |
| 02:22.23 | Dr-Linux | trixter: the files will be generated, or its already there with installation? :S |
| 02:22.23 | Dr-Linux | <mog_home> i was kiddin |
| 02:22.30 | mog_home | about using asterisk@home not about liking it |
| 02:23.48 | trixter | Dr-Linux: which files specifically? |
| 02:23.50 | *** join/#asterisk vexorg (n=vexorg@CPE000021ded913-CM001225419164.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 02:23.57 | trixter | the call files? they are generated as the calls happen if recording is enabled |
| 02:24.17 | trixter | further there may or may not be laws where you are that require you to disclose that you are recording so you want ot check on that before you start recording all agent calls |
| 02:24.37 | Dr-Linux | trixter: ofcos calls files which will be in http://localhost/calls/ "calls" dir |
| 02:25.35 | Dr-Linux | well, i wanna hve this futur but wanna know something |
| 02:25.37 | trixter | and the size of them can be considerable so you may want to clean up older files, perhaps by cron ... find /path/to/calls -ctime 30 -exec rm {} \; or something |
| 02:26.04 | Dr-Linux | cool |
| 02:26.24 | Dr-Linux | trixter: btw what this agents page will have? |
| 02:26.25 | trixter | that will delete older than 30 days |
| 02:26.32 | Dr-Linux | agents can also use it? |
| 02:26.34 | trixter | a list of files nothingmore |
| 02:27.43 | Dr-Linux | hhm... :S i wanna test it on my local * server but that server has 1.0.9 |
| 02:28.00 | Dr-Linux | i think older version have no such feature :S |
| 02:29.02 | Dr-Linux | trixter: sir /msg |
| 02:29.21 | rob0 | all-your-base.gsm :) |
| 02:32.59 | benjk | note that each call recorded results in two different files, one for the incoming and one for the outgoing audio |
| 02:33.51 | benjk | sure you can record on 1.0.9 |
| 02:34.35 | test34 | benjk, mine record 3 different files, wav49, gsm and wav.. |
| 02:34.51 | Dr-Linux | benjk: but 1.0.9 provide this feature, that i can see agents.conf things/calls via web browser? |
| 02:35.06 | shido6 | why waste space, test34? |
| 02:35.19 | *** join/#asterisk shmaltz (n=chatzill@mail.dmaven.com) |
| 02:35.41 | test34 | shido6, yeah I need to change it, that is the default setting |
| 02:35.42 | benjk | Dr-Linux: not sure what you mean, but sounds like you want to use FOP for that |
| 02:36.24 | benjk | test34: I am not talking about files in different formats |
| 02:36.25 | Dr-Linux | benjk: give it a look |
| 02:36.27 | Dr-Linux | http://www.voip-info.org/wiki-Asterisk+config+agents.conf |
| 02:36.32 | Dr-Linux | ; The text to be added to the name of the recording. Allows forming a url link. |
| 02:36.32 | Dr-Linux | ;urlprefix=http://host.domain/calls/ |
| 02:37.36 | test34 | benjk, I can record 1 call (incoming and outgoing) in only one file |
| 02:37.50 | benjk | yes? since when is that? |
| 02:38.53 | test34 | benjk, if I answer the phone after the answering machine picks up, and then play the recording, I can hear both sides of the conversation in one file (I use 1.2.0) |
| 02:39.34 | benjk | fair enough. it used to be separate |
| 02:41.30 | test34 | but one side is louder than the other, I need to adjust that |
| 02:43.07 | test34 | I guess that would be txgain/rxgain in zapata.conf ? |
| 02:43.39 | benjk | only if you also notice the difference in gain in the actual conversation |
| 02:43.59 | test34 | ahh ok then it aint it |
| 02:44.14 | shmaltz | I got to get this working with asterisk: |
| 02:44.15 | shmaltz | http://www.advantech.com/products/Model_Detail.asp?model_id=1-TQVKF&BU=ACG&PD=APC |
| 02:44.29 | benjk | if it is only the recording which has different gains, then you will want to find out how the recording mechanism adjusts the levels |
| 02:45.44 | [TK]D-Fender | arikel |
| 02:45.45 | benjk | shmaltz: the first thing you will need to do is get rid of MSFT Windoze on that thing |
| 02:45.57 | shmaltz | benjk, of course |
| 02:46.23 | shmaltz | benjk, thats the least of the problems, the next thing is to get a softphone that supports video |
| 02:46.48 | benjk | Ah, you mean you want to run a client on that thing, not Asterisk |
| 02:47.12 | *** join/#asterisk [TK]D-Fender (n=joe@66.11.164.239) |
| 02:48.27 | shmaltz | benjk, exactly |
| 02:48.54 | shmaltz | benjk, because it has touch screen, I can have FOP running, using just your fingers you can be the receptionist |
| 02:49.10 | shmaltz | and with a sip client on that box, you can also answer the phone |
| 02:49.36 | shmaltz | it would/will make for the best receptionist phone, (better than snom 360) out there |
| 02:50.31 | Sedorox | shmaltz: which phone? |
| 02:50.39 | shmaltz | http://www.advantech.com/products/Model_Detail.asp?model_id=1-TQVKF&BU=ACG&PD=APC |
| 02:51.01 | Qwell | is there flash for ce? |
| 02:51.08 | Sedorox | interesting.. whats it go for? |
| 02:51.20 | *** join/#asterisk dtev001 (n=mikeh@cpe-24-168-18-30.si.res.rr.com) |
| 02:51.34 | Qwell | I'd totally run Linux on that anyhow |
| 02:51.38 | shmaltz | Sedrorox, I got no clue |
| 02:52.05 | Sedorox | ah |
| 02:52.13 | dtev001 | anyone know what pbx_wilcal.so is for ? |
| 02:52.45 | shmaltz | dtev001, show modules is your friend |
| 02:53.11 | dtev001 | it says its the Wil Call U application, but i googled and found nothing on it. checked voip-info.org too |
| 02:54.14 | dtev001 | no info.. |
| 02:56.09 | dtev001 | any ideas ? |
| 02:56.52 | shmaltz | dtev001, what did show module pbx_wilcal.so say? |
| 02:57.48 | dtev001 | pbx_wilcalu.so Wil Cal U (Auto Dialer) |
| 02:58.01 | morale | for wardialing :) |
| 02:58.15 | shmaltz | dtev001, where did you get it from? |
| 02:58.25 | riddlebox | does asterisk pass caller id to devices like ATA devices? |
| 02:58.44 | dtev001 | riddlebox - yes it can.. |
| 02:59.47 | shmaltz | riddlebox, yes |
| 02:59.48 | riddlebox | does it do it by default or do I have to add something in the extensions.conf? |
| 03:00.13 | shmaltz | riddlebox, it should do it by default, unless you have something in sip.conf to overwrite it |
| 03:00.33 | bkw__ | dtev001, you should delete pbx_wilcalu.so |
| 03:00.38 | dtev001 | morale -> anywhere i can find more info on it ? |
| 03:00.38 | bkw__ | its no longer in there if I recall |
| 03:00.49 | bkw__ | it was a dialer you connected to over a socket to drive it or some such thing |
| 03:00.49 | riddlebox | hrmm I havent gotten that far, just building the extensions.conf right now, I am going through asteriskdocs.org |
| 03:00.51 | test34 | anyone tried itelprovider ? is it good ? |
| 03:00.52 | dtev001 | bkw -> i noload'd it |
| 03:01.01 | bkw__ | just remove it |
| 03:01.09 | bkw__ | it shoudln't be there on latest one |
| 03:01.13 | dtev001 | gotcha |
| 03:01.52 | dtev001 | hmm fyi its still in asterisk@home 1.5 |
| 03:02.40 | *** part/#asterisk matt30au (n=her@lnk33.adl8.adsl.esc.net.au) |
| 03:02.53 | shmaltz | dtev001, asterisk@home is not asterisk |
| 03:03.00 | bkw__ | my stomach turns every time someone says Asterisk@Home |
| 03:03.07 | Qwell | bkw__: Asterisk@Home! |
| 03:03.17 | jake1932 | s the stomach tuns |
| 03:03.23 | Qwell | I use Asterisk@Home in production, with 5,000 users. |
| 03:03.25 | jake1932 | brogth to you by |
| 03:03.31 | dtev001 | well it does have a precompiled version of asterisk on it. |
| 03:03.33 | jake1932 | BSI |
| 03:03.39 | Qwell | jake1932: You are the worst speller ever. |
| 03:03.39 | jake1932 | bad spellers inc |
| 03:04.06 | dtev001 | anyway, i deleted it.. thx |
| 03:04.31 | dtev001 | has anyone gotten audiocodes 104 working with asterisk ? |
| 03:05.17 | jake1932 | what's 104? |
| 03:05.25 | *** join/#asterisk dos000 (n=dos000@i216-58-41-120.cybersurf.com) |
| 03:06.15 | *** join/#asterisk SoloFlyer (n=SoloFlye@eth13515.sa.adsl.internode.on.net) |
| 03:06.25 | dtev001 | its a 4 port SIP gateway like an ATA-186 but with 4 ports |
| 03:07.01 | dtev001 | actually its an audiocodes MP-104 |
| 03:07.56 | *** join/#asterisk gnosys (n=ksford@ip68-9-201-250.ri.ri.cox.net) |
| 03:10.56 | shmaltz | Funny Quote of the Day - Yogi Berra - "I never said most of the things I said." |
| 03:11.39 | riddlebox | if I am using a VOIP service like Broadvoice, you setup the ATA as a sip extension right? |
| 03:12.20 | dtev001 | riddlebox - yes you can setup an ATA as a SIP extension off the asterisk server that is connecting to broadvoice |
| 03:13.18 | riddlebox | dtev001:thats what I am planning to do, but I am just trying to learn one conf file at a time, and extensions.conf is one heck of a file to learn first lol, or should I learn sip.conf first? |
| 03:14.14 | dtev001 | dialplanning is the toughest piece, (extensions.con) tackle that first for sure |
| 03:16.50 | riddlebox | I have found asteriskdocs.org which seems to be helping me setup the extensions.conf |
| 03:18.54 | dtev001 | this one isnt to bad either... http://members.optusnet.com.au/~bsharif/asterisk/AsteriskDumbMeGuide.htm#_Toc122149370 |
| 03:19.15 | dtev001 | riddlebox -> are you using asterisk@home ? |
| 03:19.44 | riddlebox | nope debian, and I compiled it myself |
| 03:20.54 | riddlebox | I used the debian packages but they were old ones so I just compiled it |
| 03:20.59 | dtev001 | regardless the extensions.conf templates are good on asterisk@home. |
| 03:21.07 | dtev001 | well setup |
| 03:21.08 | litage | digium's website says that * supports G.729 Annex A only". does that mean that * can't do annex B? |
| 03:21.57 | morale | whats annex b? |
| 03:22.22 | litage | morale: another annex? |
| 03:22.43 | dtev001 | morale -> probably a different license of g.729 |
| 03:24.12 | dtev001 | G.729A available for reduced MIPS requirements |
| 03:24.12 | dtev001 | G.729B available for voice activity detection, silence frame insertion, and comfort noise generation |
| 03:24.16 | hhoffman | is anyone using the chk_vm_pwd.agi from the wiki? Does it work? |
| 03:24.33 | shmaltz | hhoffman, for what? |
| 03:24.47 | shmaltz | hhoffman, whats wrong with vmauthenticate? |
| 03:24.52 | hhoffman | checking extension and pin number match what's in voicemail.conf |
| 03:25.08 | shmaltz | http://www.voip-info.org/wiki-asterisk+cmd+vmauthenticate |
| 03:25.10 | hhoffman | shmaltz: umm, perhaps nothing... |
| 03:25.30 | litage | dtev001: where can i find out about annex A and B? i'm interested because i live in australia, and had to change my cisco router to "annex b" because .au uses annex b, while north america uses annex a |
| 03:26.13 | Qwell | shmaltz: ouch |
| 03:26.22 | shmaltz | Qwell, what? |
| 03:26.34 | Qwell | would suck to use an agi to auth against vm |
| 03:26.39 | dtev001 | http://www.adaptivedigital.com/products/specs/g729_55x.htm |
| 03:26.47 | hhoffman | shmaltz: thanks, that's exactly what I'm looking for |
| 03:26.50 | dos000 | anyone know what " Got SIP response 491 "Request Pending" back from " means |
| 03:27.06 | dos000 | my calls are getting disconnected |
| 03:27.07 | shmaltz | dos000, it mean that the request is pending |
| 03:27.12 | hhoffman | it was fairly simply but it didn't look as that AGI->set_variable() was working |
| 03:27.28 | Qwell | hhoffman: it couldn't possibly work with realtime |
| 03:27.29 | dos000 | shmaltz, why is it disconnectein tho ? |
| 03:27.56 | shmaltz | dos000, ask the back from guy |
| 03:28.09 | hhoffman | Qwell: is it a different scope or something? |
| 03:28.18 | Qwell | hhoffman: no..it just...couldn't work |
| 03:28.50 | dos000 | shmaltz, which guy ??? |
| 03:29.13 | shmaltz | dos000, check this: |
| 03:29.15 | shmaltz | http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/sip/current/msg12455.html |
| 03:29.17 | litage | dtev001: ah, so the "A" and "B" in "G.729A", "G.729A/B" refer to the annex, and asterisk _only_ supports G.729A? |
| 03:29.20 | hhoffman | ok, so what do I do here... read in a mailbox number and pass that to VMauthenticate? |
| 03:30.53 | shmaltz | dos000, or this one: |
| 03:30.55 | shmaltz | https://lists.cs.columbia.edu/pipermail/sip-implementors/2005-July/009793.html |
| 03:31.03 | dtev001 | litage: that is my understanding |
| 03:31.11 | shmaltz | hhoffman, exactly |
| 03:32.09 | litage | thanks dtev001 |
| 03:32.17 | dtev001 | no problemo |
| 03:33.23 | shmaltz | dos000, or this one: |
| 03:33.24 | shmaltz | http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/software/ios123/123cgcr/vvfax_c/callc_c/sip_c/sipc1_c/chapter2.htm |
| 03:33.26 | shmaltz | scroll down |
| 03:33.33 | dos000 | shmaltz, the problem is the disconnection now .. i am wondering if this is asterisk (1.0.9) that i have is not fully compliant. would 1.2 be any different ? |
| 03:33.41 | shmaltz | Funny Quote of the Day - Murray Walker - "And now, excuse me while I interrupt myself." |
| 03:34.09 | shmaltz | dos000, I would say it *is* asterisk doing it. and yes 1.2 might be more compliant |
| 03:34.20 | shmaltz | dos000, what device are you using? |
| 03:34.29 | dos000 | azacall |
| 03:34.37 | shmaltz | dos000, whats that? |
| 03:34.56 | dos000 | shmaltz, its an ata that supports sip |
| 03:35.07 | litage | dtev001: if a device says that it supports "G.729", should that be interpreted as "G.729 with no annex", or "G.729A", or..? |
| 03:35.20 | shmaltz | dos000, you shouldn't get such a response anyhow, it might be asterisk that is not handling the 491 right, but it's the device that is generating that response that should NOT generate it |
| 03:35.21 | hhoffman | shmaltz: thanks much, that's alot easier... from then on out can I just check ${AUTH_MAILBOX}? |
| 03:35.49 | dos000 | shmaltz, the device in this case is a service provider ! |
| 03:35.51 | SkramX | i have a fucking cold, cats. |
| 03:35.57 | shmaltz | hhoffman, exactly, or you could capture the ${MB} first in your own var, then pass it to the app_vmauthenticate |
| 03:36.12 | Qwell | SkramX: If it's the same one I've got...you're in for a real treat on about day 6 |
| 03:36.16 | hhoffman | shmaltz: cool, thanks again |
| 03:36.51 | shmaltz | dos000, i thought you said azacall? |
| 03:36.51 | SkramX | Qwell: I beg for mercy man.. I have finals starting tomorrow |
| 03:36.51 | Qwell | :p |
| 03:36.51 | shmaltz | Qwell, is taht a bottle of beer? |
| 03:36.51 | SkramX | :P |
| 03:36.51 | dtev001 | litage: I would hate to assume but educated guess, annex a its out there in more devices |
| 03:37.07 | litage | dtev001: does G.729 exist with no annex? |
| 03:37.15 | dtev001 | anyone tried upgrading Asterisk@Home 1.5 to 2.x in place |
| 03:37.26 | Qwell | dtev001: good luck with that |
| 03:37.40 | dtev001 | litage: not that I am aware of, have only seen 729.a |
| 03:37.41 | shmaltz | dos000, is it a provider or ATA? |
| 03:37.48 | dos000 | shmaltz, yes .. i have ata -> asterisk ->provider |
| 03:38.03 | shmaltz | dos000, which one is giving the 491? |
| 03:38.13 | dtev001 | Qwell: lol, that is what i figured.. reinstall. |
| 03:38.24 | litage | thanks again dtev001 |
| 03:38.26 | dos000 | shmaltz, asterisk is saying 491 is coming from provider. but ethereal i cant see it ! |
| 03:38.31 | Qwell | dtev001: If you're going to reinstall, you might as well pick a good distro, and don't use *@h |
| 03:38.35 | rob0 | I had to download 46MB just to get their 130KB asterisk_config.tar ... well that's better than a whole ISO |
| 03:38.40 | Qwell | be a man, learn the software |
| 03:38.50 | SkramX | Seriously |
| 03:39.01 | shmaltz | dos000, try making sure that you *DO NOT* allow reinvites from provider to ata, by having canreinvite=no in that sip.conf section |
| 03:39.03 | SkramX | A@H is kinda stupid |
| 03:39.06 | Qwell | kinda? :) |
| 03:39.10 | SkramX | its beating around the bush.. |
| 03:39.11 | SkramX | heh |
| 03:39.34 | hhoffman | this should work, right? exten => *122,2,Read(ext_num) exten => *122,3,VMAuthenticate(${ext_num}) |
| 03:39.43 | Qwell | think of it this way |
| 03:39.50 | Qwell | 50% of the worlds population is below average |
| 03:39.54 | SkramX | yeah |
| 03:39.56 | dtev001 | Qwell: no reason to be rude.. i use @home for speed sake to get the base install in quick then i do my work to it. bottom line, it works |
| 03:40.03 | Qwell | at least 75% of the people who use asterisk...don't use amp |
| 03:40.13 | shmaltz | dos000, I would say what is happening is that the ATA cannot communicate with provider (because of NAT or firewall) so when the reinvite is issued from asterisk, the provider is waiting for a response so it doesn't work and you get the 491, at which point astrisk hangsup |
| 03:40.16 | Qwell | That puts amp users at the bottom 25% |
| 03:40.20 | SkramX | dtev001: doing a make and makeinstall isnt hard! |
| 03:40.23 | hhoffman | amp? |
| 03:40.33 | Qwell | amportal |
| 03:40.36 | SkramX | * Management Portal |
| 03:40.40 | shmaltz | dos000, however if you disable reinvites for that device the problem should be gone |
| 03:40.41 | Qwell | ~amp |
| 03:40.42 | jbot | from memory, amp is a web based interface for configuring Asterisk. See http://amp.coalescentsystems.ca/ |
| 03:40.42 | hhoffman | ah |
| 03:40.54 | Qwell | complete junk |
| 03:40.57 | dtev001 | qwell:skramx: AMP allows the customers to do minor mod's without having to learn linux or asterisk |
| 03:40.59 | robl^ | AMP -s a web interface to managing asterisk config files. |
| 03:41.14 | rob0 | hahaha all the files in the asterisk_config.tar were mode 777 :) |
| 03:41.14 | SkramX | dtev001: the customer should learn it |
| 03:41.19 | Qwell | dtev001: Would you let an idiot configure an x-ray? |
| 03:41.22 | hhoffman | ah, I need to learn it before I go exposing a webserver and scripting language to it |
| 03:41.23 | Qwell | or a car engine? |
| 03:41.30 | SkramX | or us developer people should captilize off the newbs ;) |
| 03:41.34 | Qwell | Would you want your pbx to have less reliability than either of those? |
| 03:41.39 | Qwell | I sure as hell wouldn't |
| 03:41.43 | dtev001 | lol... |
| 03:41.52 | shmaltz | dos000, no way I want to live hapily with my wife :) |
| 03:41.56 | dtev001 | well everyone is entitled to their opinion i guess. |
| 03:42.02 | Qwell | fact |
| 03:42.06 | shmaltz | dos000, does it work now? |
| 03:42.07 | SkramX | Yeah, but we are right |
| 03:42.08 | SkramX | hehe |
| 03:42.10 | dos000 | shmaltz, thats 9999 too litle ! |
| 03:42.20 | dos000 | shmaltz, yes man .. you saved the day ! |
| 03:42.27 | shmaltz | :) |
| 03:42.38 | SkramX | shmaltz.. sounds very yiddish :) |
| 03:43.00 | shmaltz | SkramX, yiddish is my mother langauge |
| 03:43.06 | SkramX | Wee. |
| 03:43.17 | shmaltz | SkarmX, whrere do you know from that it sounds yiddish? |
| 03:43.29 | SkramX | I am jewisj |
| 03:43.32 | SkramX | *jewish |
| 03:43.36 | SkramX | well, my parents are. |
| 03:43.44 | shmaltz | SkramX, then you are |
| 03:43.52 | shmaltz | SkramX, whre do you live? |
| 03:43.58 | SkramX | i just regged sudo-jew.be and sudojew.be for my personal blog |
| 03:44.06 | SkramX | shmaltz: Austin, TX. |
| 03:44.09 | SkramX | Born in NY. |
| 03:44.16 | shmaltz | SkramX, where in NY? |
| 03:44.23 | SkramX | Want my SSN too? |
| 03:44.35 | rob0 | and mother's maiden name |
| 03:44.39 | shmaltz | and blood type |
| 03:44.43 | shmaltz | :P |
| 03:44.44 | jake1932 | keep all that - just give me your cc |
| 03:44.45 | SkramX | penis size? |
| 03:44.47 | dtev001 | anyone try the d-link d104s voip phone with asterisk ? |
| 03:44.55 | SkramX | seriously, why must you know, shmaltz ? |
| 03:44.57 | shmaltz | SkramX, as well |
| 03:45.08 | SkramX | dtev001: nopes.. I was thinking about it |
| 03:45.09 | shmaltz | SkramX, I don't must know, I'm just asking |
| 03:45.18 | SkramX | it's about 120-USD isnt it? |
| 03:45.26 | shmaltz | SkramX, so where in NY? |
| 03:45.45 | SkramX | Born in Syracuse, dad's family is in NYC and I lived in NYC for a bit aswell |
| 03:45.51 | shmaltz | Quote of the Day - Laurence J. Peter - "Democracy is a process by which people are free to choose the man who will get the blame." |
| 03:45.58 | shmaltz | SkramX, was that so hard? |
| 03:46.00 | dtev001 | SkramX: yep, i have one here. |
| 03:46.08 | SkramX | dtev001: are they good? |
| 03:46.18 | shmaltz | SkarmX, now check your credit report, because I'm goint to make a CC on your name :{ |
| 03:46.19 | SkramX | or lemme guess, you are having problems.. |
| 03:46.36 | SkramX | Haha, good luck finding my last name |
| 03:46.38 | dtev001 | Nice look and feel, can connect one channel to asterisk, but cant get it to do call waiting or conferencing |
| 03:46.49 | SkramX | dtev001: hmm |
| 03:47.12 | dtev001 | havent run sip-debug on it yet was just curious if anyone had played with it. |
| 03:47.28 | shmaltz | SkramX, it might be easier then you think, let me try; Singer? |
| 03:47.34 | shmaltz | Halberstam? |
| 03:47.37 | shmaltz | Friedman? |
| 03:47.39 | SkramX | shmaltz: Nope |
| 03:47.44 | shmaltz | just kidding |
| 03:47.45 | dtev001 | seems nice, has good button set and fast redial/autodial functions |
| 03:47.47 | shmaltz | :) |
| 03:47.50 | litage | when you buy a g.729 license from digium, is the license valid for 1 year, or forever? |
| 03:47.51 | shmaltz | gtg guys |
| 03:47.55 | shmaltz | see ya |
| 03:47.57 | shmaltz | bye |
| 03:48.01 | dtev001 | forever. |
| 03:48.22 | SkramX | for ever, and ever, and ever, and ever, and ever.. seriously, I dont know.. |
| 03:48.55 | dtev001 | litage: i asked digium that question when i bought mine |
| 03:49.28 | dtev001 | SkaramX: have you used the new 24 port card from digium ? I was considering it for a customer |
| 03:49.48 | SkramX | dtev001: No I have not.. |
| 03:49.57 | litage | dtev001: what did digium say? |
| 03:50.39 | dtev001 | litage: i asked them if the license was yearly or perpetual.. they said the later. |
| 03:51.17 | litage | awesome |
| 03:51.23 | *** join/#asterisk bmg505 (n=leon@dsl-146-26-172.telkomadsl.co.za) |
| 03:51.57 | litage | any idea what sorts of discounts digium gives when you buy in bulk? (eg: 50, 100, 200 licenses) |
| 03:52.10 | dtev001 | back to my other question.. anyone gotten the audiocodes mediatrix MP104 working with asterisk ? |
| 03:52.17 | dtev001 | litage: you have to call them.. |
| 03:52.20 | ManxPower | litage, I don't think they offer discounts on g729 |
| 03:52.28 | dtev001 | litage: they do in bulk.. i asked that as well. |
| 03:52.35 | litage | "Contact us at sales@digium.com for quantity discounts on 100 channels." |
| 03:52.51 | ManxPower | They paid a massive amount to be able to legally do this and I heard Mark say at one time that it will take at least 5 years to even make the money back,. |
| 03:53.05 | ManxPower | They do discounts? Interesting. |
| 03:53.21 | litage | ManxPower: to be able to legally do what? |
| 03:53.41 | ManxPower | litage, legally provide the G729 codec. |
| 03:53.51 | litage | ah |
| 03:54.27 | rajiv | which providers can terminal g729 calls ? |
| 03:54.42 | litage | rajiv: my carrier here in .au =) |
| 03:54.54 | rajiv | any with servers in boston or nyc ? |
| 03:55.00 | rajiv | voipjet ? |
| 03:55.11 | litage | rajiv: Soul Australia (formerly Comindico) |
| 03:55.20 | SkramX | rajiv: why? |
| 03:55.38 | SkramX | you are loooking for a provider with servers near ya? |
| 03:55.47 | litage | so when you purchase an ip phone that supports g729a, does that mean that the cost of the g.729 codec was included in the price? |
| 03:55.58 | rajiv | i have sip phones here that support g729, but without termination i have not found a reason to go to that over ulaw |
| 03:55.58 | dtev001 | gafachi does to, they are a bulk provider |
| 03:56.09 | dtev001 | litage: NO.. you need one on the asterisk side for it |
| 03:56.18 | rajiv | i use voipjet now, 3 hops to their server in nyc so low latency |
| 03:56.25 | ManxPower | ~docs |
| 03:56.27 | jbot | docs is, like, probably Documentation can be found at http://www.digium.com/index.php?menu=documentation or http://www.digium.com/handbook-draft.pdf or http://www.voip-info.org/wiki-Asterisk or http://www.asteriskdocs.org or http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/asterisk or http://www.asteriskguru.com |
| 03:56.29 | ManxPower | ~mailinglist |
| 03:56.30 | jbot | from memory, mailinglist is Search Asterisk mailing lists by prepending site:lists.digium.com to your Google search. Browse the mailing list archive at http://lists.digium.com/ or search through it at http://www.asteriskguru.com/archives/search.php |
| 03:56.50 | ManxPower | litage, correct. |
| 03:57.08 | litage | k, just received opposing statements from ManxPower and dtev001.. |
| 03:57.37 | litage | dtev001: so then how/why do ATAs, IP phones, etc say that they support G.729[A], if they don't actually do it? |
| 03:57.49 | ManxPower | litage, the phone includes the G729 license for that phone. Two phones can talk g729 without any extran licenses required. |
| 03:58.03 | ManxPower | If you want to talk to asterisk you need a license for the asterisk side |
| 03:58.05 | dtev001 | litage: digium told me that you needed one per each simultaneous channel running on the asterisk box regardless of the client |
| 03:58.13 | SkramX | is g729 worth it? |
| 03:58.14 | litage | dtev001: yeah, that's right |
| 03:58.19 | Qwell | to expand on what ManxPower said...that would include voicemail, etc |
| 03:58.22 | litage | ManxPower: ah, makes sense. thanks |
| 03:58.30 | dos000 | SkramX, if your doing vsat stuff yes |
| 03:58.30 | Qwell | menus and the like too |
| 03:58.32 | ManxPower | SkramX, only if you have NO OTHER choice. |
| 03:58.41 | litage | Qwell: not sure what you mean.. |
| 03:58.44 | dtev001 | SkramX: yes if you have bandwidth concerns |
| 03:58.47 | file | anything that forces translation paths to be setup... |
| 03:58.48 | SkramX | is it unlimited uses at a time? |
| 03:58.52 | Qwell | litage: If a g729 phone calls asterisk... |
| 03:59.02 | SkramX | my server(s) at theplanet.com arent in dange of going out of b/w |
| 03:59.03 | Qwell | Then you need a g729 license for asterisk |
| 03:59.04 | litage | Qwell: then you need a g729 license on asterisk |
| 03:59.04 | ManxPower | g729 is licensed per channel. |
| 03:59.05 | SkramX | so i think im aiight |
| 03:59.11 | SkramX | oh |
| 03:59.12 | SkramX | icky |
| 03:59.27 | litage | yeah but at $10/channel, it's not exactly expensive |
| 03:59.33 | Qwell | SkramX: $10/channel |
| 03:59.34 | ManxPower | Which is why, rumor has it, you can only do 1 G729 call at a time on most IP phones/ATAs |
| 03:59.35 | dtev001 | G729 uses substantially less bandwidth then g711 |
| 03:59.35 | Qwell | cheap enough |
| 03:59.47 | Qwell | ManxPower: That would make sense |
| 04:00.02 | dtev001 | ManxPower: depends on who you are connecting to.. |
| 04:00.04 | SkramX | isnt there like a opensource, free version of g729? |
| 04:00.07 | Qwell | no |
| 04:00.12 | Qwell | That isn't really legal |
| 04:00.14 | SkramX | i thought there was |
| 04:00.25 | Qwell | no such thing as "free g729" |
| 04:00.26 | mog_home | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:00.33 | dtev001 | I have several devices and providers using simultaneous g729 channels |
| 04:00.33 | mog_home | maybe in botswana its legal |
| 04:00.43 | Qwell | it's legal in qwellsakistan |
| 04:00.50 | mog_home | bs |
| 04:00.55 | Qwell | it totally is |
| 04:00.59 | ManxPower | The "g729 is free in places where there are no software patents" question has NEVER been fully answered. |
| 04:01.11 | benjk | SkramX: even if you were using an open source version of G729 you would still need to pay royalties to the G729 patent holders |
| 04:01.13 | rajiv | hey mog_home. i got the cross ship card. thanks. putting it in tonight or tomorrow |
| 04:01.26 | benjk | which is about 50.000 USD upfront |
| 04:01.29 | mog_home | if you live in botswana and you bootleg g729 you probably are legally clear |
| 04:01.32 | ManxPower | My belief is this: If G729 is free anywhere, why are there no companies that sell equipment that supports G729 and not pay a license. |
| 04:01.42 | dtev001 | fyi d-link is coming out with a hacked up asterisk pbx on bsd as an appliance |
| 04:01.47 | mog_home | because exporting would be illegal |
| 04:01.52 | ManxPower | G729 is an ITU standard |
| 04:02.07 | mog_home | in the end you arent gonna get a real legal 729 impementation unless money changes hands |
| 04:02.09 | Qwell | dtev001: cheesy. I bet there will be licensing issues... |
| 04:02.10 | ManxPower | mog_home, the company could ship to most of the world because most of the world doesn't have software patents |
| 04:02.24 | mog_home | its not just a software patent manx |
| 04:02.28 | dtev001 | gents, g729 wont work on asterisk properly unless you register it !! |
| 04:02.33 | ManxPower | mog_home, EXACTLY! |
| 04:02.33 | mog_home | its a copy right on the forumla behind it |
| 04:02.46 | mog_home | so place needs to also not accept copyright law |
| 04:02.49 | mog_home | like botswana |
| 04:02.51 | ManxPower | mog_home, There are several possible legally enforcable reasons. |
| 04:03.10 | ManxPower | ITU treaty might require enforcement of IP rights. |
| 04:03.15 | benjk | its not copyright law that matters, its trade treaties |
| 04:03.20 | ManxPower | SoloFlyer, violate that and nobody can call you 8-) |
| 04:03.21 | robl^ | g729 has a great sound for its bandwidth.. but... you pay on excessive CPU resources used |
| 04:03.28 | benjk | which always include acceptance of foreign patents |
| 04:03.35 | mog_home | just use gsm |
| 04:03.36 | mog_home | its free |
| 04:03.41 | mog_home | and legal anywhere |
| 04:03.43 | ManxPower | So we basically have three possible reasons |
| 04:04.14 | robl^ | mog_home: true.. but not all devices support gsm.. if you use Cisco phones, you have g711 or g729.. gsm is not an option |
| 04:04.33 | dtev001 | robl^: not if you only use g729 (SIP only config) |
| 04:04.34 | mog_home | well you ulaw to asterisk box gsm to the world |
| 04:04.59 | dtev001 | does broadvoice support gsm ? |
| 04:05.20 | robl^ | mog_home: my problem is I have remote extensions.. but I am replacing them with Snom phones now.. the Ciscos are on ebay :) |
| 04:05.21 | mog_home | probably |
| 04:05.24 | mog_home | they run asterisk there |
| 04:05.29 | mog_home | nice |
| 04:05.40 | riddlebox | dtev001:if I want an incoming call to ring an extension for 15 seconds and go to voicemail do I do exten => 522,1,Dial(30,t)? |
| 04:05.52 | file[laptop] | Broadvoice uses broadworks o.o |
| 04:06.07 | ManxPower | Most devices suport G711u (ulaw), G711a (alaw), G729a/b, and some support G723.1 |
| 04:06.07 | dtev001 | file[laptop]: ?? |
| 04:06.17 | dtev001 | riddlebox: change the 30 to a 15 |
| 04:06.19 | file[laptop] | Broadworks, it's software... that's what they use for their system |
| 04:06.27 | file[laptop] | created by a company called Broadsoft |
| 04:06.32 | riddlebox | dtev001:oops yeah that would help |
| 04:06.50 | [TK]D-Fender | riddlebox : You didn't tell the Dial command what device to call. |
| 04:06.53 | ManxPower | Not many devices support GSM, iLBC, SpeeX, etc |
| 04:07.16 | mog_home | and it will just get worse |
| 04:07.23 | robl^ | Snom supports GSM and it does a bang up job of it. :) |
| 04:07.26 | dtev001 | riddlebox: you also need another step to go to voicemail |
| 04:07.34 | riddlebox | [TK]D-Fender: if I setup 522 as a sip phone in global wont that do it for me? |
| 04:07.36 | [TK]D-Fender | ManxPower : A perk of my SPA-941... it supports pretty much EVERYTHING :) |
| 04:07.48 | jake1932 | use SIP/522 |
| 04:07.49 | rajiv | [TK]D-Fender: how do you like that 941? i have been eyeing them |
| 04:07.57 | ManxPower | [TK]D-Fender, Really? nifty. All the SIPura products I have only support the common codecs |
| 04:08.02 | rajiv | though i might wait for the 942 which are coming in the spring supposedly |
| 04:08.35 | jake1932 | Dial(SIP/522,30) |
| 04:08.35 | [TK]D-Fender | riddlebox : lest say your set up a SIP phone as [522]. That'd be "exten => 522,1,Dial(SIP/522,15,t) |
| 04:09.01 | [TK]D-Fender | rajiv : Yup, its a great little phone. A baby Cisco with Sipura firmware |
| 04:09.15 | jake1932 | riddlebox: use "show application dial" in the cli. it'll give you more info about the cmd |
| 04:09.21 | riddlebox | dtev001:I have that, exten => 522,2,Voicemail(u522) right |
| 04:09.39 | jake1932 | riddlebox: what version of asterisk? |
| 04:09.45 | riddlebox | jake1932:thanks, I appreciate all the help you guys are giving me |
| 04:10.09 | wshs | how do you make X11 calls process immediately instead of waiting for a timeout due to other potential matches? (ie: NXXXXXX for us calls) |
| 04:10.14 | rajiv | [TK]D-Fender: is the hold button the 'tall' button with the picture of the hand ? |
| 04:10.26 | [TK]D-Fender | ManxPower : My bad! Could have sworn I saw it in there! I know I saw it SOMEWHERE thouhg... now where... hmmm |
| 04:10.30 | riddlebox | jake1932:1.2.1 |
| 04:10.43 | rajiv | wshs: dial 'X11#' on the phone |
| 04:10.50 | ManxPower | [TK]D-Fender, you evil, evil, person. you got my hopes up. |
| 04:10.56 | jake1932 | riddlebox: it's different - exten => 522,2,Voicemail(522,u) |
| 04:11.02 | [TK]D-Fender | rajiv : thats the one. the button images are very self-explanitory. |
| 04:11.08 | Qwell | wshs: What phone? |
| 04:11.17 | riddlebox | ohh ok |
| 04:11.20 | hhoffman | I have the following extension: exten => *122,2,VMAuthenticate(1000@default) Any idea why it keeps prompting me for a mailbox number? |
| 04:11.25 | wshs | the calling is handled via disa |
| 04:11.27 | jake1932 | show application voicemail |
| 04:12.02 | Qwell | wshs: Have an _X11, extension |
| 04:12.08 | ManxPower | "show applications" too. That IS the real docs for much of Asterisk |
| 04:12.11 | [TK]D-Fender | hhoffman : My guess : VM box 1000 doesn't exist in [default] |
| 04:12.12 | Qwell | though, maybe not |
| 04:12.22 | ManxPower | Qwell, just as long as it's not X10 |
| 04:12.31 | wshs | Qwell, i have such an extension, but it's waiting for more input because the input matches both _X11 and _NXXXXXX |
| 04:12.36 | Qwell | yeah... |
| 04:12.37 | shido6 | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=ADME:L:LCA:US:31&item=5841191851 |
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| 04:12.49 | wshs | x10... |
| 04:13.02 | Qwell | shido6: heh, nice |
| 04:13.53 | rajiv | [TK]D-Fender: how do you transfer a call on that phone? hold, then ? |
| 04:13.54 | robl^ | shido6: ohh?? well I can do better! http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZshido48228QQhtZ-1 ;) |
| 04:14.00 | Corydon76-home | Hey, now, x10 with Asterisk is how I always used to reset my cable modem when it went stupid |
| 04:14.30 | shido6 | crazy |
| 04:14.58 | shido6 | Stupid Cable Extension |
| 04:15.07 | hhoffman | [TK]D-Fender: yeah, it does though :-( [default] 1000 => 123456,Harry Hoffman,hhoffman@ip-solutions.net |
| 04:15.26 | dtev001 | anyone worked with sugar-crm and asterisk, specifically screen popping a contact based on inbound callerid ? |
| 04:15.40 | [TK]D-Fender | rajiv : the phone has 4 soft-keys whose fuction changes depending on where you are. in a call you have transfer, conference, ect.... |
| 04:16.08 | Corydon76-home | shido6: after about 6 visits by the cable company, they finally did a cable sweep and found a malfunctioning repeater |
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| 04:16.38 | Corydon76-home | shido6: If they had listened to me in the first place, they could've gotten it fixed the first time |
| 04:17.05 | jestar_ | having some real weirdness with ubuntu and 1.2.1 |
| 04:17.20 | jestar_ | if we load the zaptel modules, no more gsm playback |
| 04:17.25 | jestar_ | unload them, all starts working again |
| 04:17.33 | shido6 | dont even get me started |
| 04:17.37 | shido6 | my cable company hates me |
| 04:17.44 | jestar_ | tried searching but not getting any love |
| 04:18.08 | Corydon76-home | jestar_: who made the motherboard? |
| 04:18.14 | shido6 | then gets freaked out when they see the ip phones and leds... das blinken lights |
| 04:18.21 | jestar_ | its got an intel 945 on it |
| 04:18.38 | jestar_ | msi made it |
| 04:18.42 | Corydon76-home | So much for that theory |
| 04:19.18 | jestar_ | just worked it out |
| 04:19.37 | jestar_ | weird kernel conflicts on the same branch but different source locations |
| 04:19.50 | Corydon76-home | Ah... that'll do it |
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| 04:25.09 | litage | if you want to test if an asterisk box can handle 100 simultaneous G.729A calls, do you need 100 G.729A licenses on the box making the calls, and also 100 on the box receiving the calls? |
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| 04:26.16 | tzanger | litage: if you're converting on the second box, yes |
| 04:26.27 | litage | tzanger: converting? |
| 04:26.44 | tzanger | easy way to test without 200 licenses: record a bunch of audio in g729 format and just play it back ot the box that will be doing the transcoding |
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| 04:27.52 | litage | tzanger: if i want to test how many g729 channels it can handle, why would i do transcoding? |
| 04:28.28 | tzanger | well how are you going to tell if the box can handle it if it's not transcoding?? |
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| 04:30.41 | Sedorox | everytime I come back to Mac OSX.. I somehow realized I've missed it... |
| 04:30.50 | Nugget | OS X is tasty. |
| 04:31.02 | tzanger | it's fun |
| 04:31.10 | Sedorox | my laptop over heated again.. so I'm on my imac... |
| 04:32.01 | Sedorox | granted its a old.. G3 500.. but eh |
| 04:32.03 | Sedorox | works |
| 04:32.40 | litage | tzanger: 90+% of my traffic is g729, so i won't be converting between g729 and other codecs very often |
| 04:32.50 | riddlebox | can you have a voicemail menu inside and extensions voicemail? |
| 04:33.00 | litage | tzanger: what i'm interested in is determining if my box can support 20 or 50 or 150 concurrent g729 calls |
| 04:34.01 | jake1932 | riddlebox: ask again? |
| 04:34.08 | jake1932 | s?/. |
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| 04:34.57 | riddlebox | I want to have an option that when my voicemail answers for my extension to press 9 or something to do something else |
| 04:35.33 | Mavantix | can anyone point me to a list of "best" IP phones to buy for use w/ Asterisk? ...or recommend peticular models? |
| 04:35.50 | litage | riddlebox: check out IVR (interactive voice r_something) |
| 04:36.02 | tzanger | litage: well without actually doing the work you can't find out now can you |
| 04:36.09 | jake1932 | riddlebox: after the call goes in your vm, you want the user to be able to press 9 and have asterisk do something else? |
| 04:36.28 | litage | tzanger: what do you mean, "without actually doing the work"? |
| 04:36.31 | riddlebox | jake1932:yes |
| 04:36.58 | jake1932 | iddlebox: voicemail will only respond to 0 and * |
| 04:37.09 | jake1932 | iddlebox: acually |
| 04:37.11 | jake1932 | actually |
| 04:37.22 | [TK]D-Fender | jake1932 : That would require doing a custom mod to voicemail.c |
| 04:37.51 | litage | Sedorox: one thing i don't like about MacOSX is that you can only resize a window from 1 corner. if that corner is up against the edge of the screen, you have to move the window away, and then resize |
| 04:37.54 | jake1932 | riddlebox: better to answer the call before it goes into voicemail - then timout to voicemail |
| 04:37.58 | jake1932 | timeout |
| 04:38.03 | Mavantix | ... or even phones you all are using succesfully? |
| 04:38.12 | Sedorox | true.. never noticed that before |
| 04:38.22 | jake1932 | riddlebox: that way you can accept any digit |
| 04:38.22 | litage | Mavantix: do some research on voip-info.org |
| 04:38.28 | [TK]D-Fender | riddlebox : Maybe you could give a better description of exactly what you would like to do and the timing involved... |
| 04:38.39 | tzanger | litage: how can you tell how many g729 transcodes your box can handle if you don't actually do the transcoding? |
| 04:38.47 | tzanger | and if you're not transcoding, the CPU load is minimal |
| 04:38.52 | Mavantix | litage: that's where I've been reading, but there's none that seem to stand out as best phone to get. |
| 04:38.57 | tzanger | but again, without actually testing you have no way of telling |
| 04:39.05 | Sedorox | hmm |
| 04:39.19 | [TK]D-Fender | Mavantix : There are LOTS of good phones. Its a question of needs, budget, and tastes... |
| 04:39.31 | litage | tzanger: if everything's going to be g729 though, from the ip phone to my asterisk box to my carrier, why would i do any transcoding? |
| 04:39.44 | Sedorox | I just noticed a more of a 3d look... which I like... |
| 04:39.47 | litage | Mavantix: is this for personal or business use? |
| 04:39.50 | Mavantix | [TK]D-Fender: well, if I want a "cheep" phone, but still functional, is the GXP-2000 any good or is it junk? |
| 04:39.55 | tzanger | litage: does asterisk have to listen to DTMF? |
| 04:40.10 | tzanger | litage: does asterisk have to play non-g729 format voice prompts? |
| 04:40.11 | [TK]D-Fender | Mavantix : Its a cheap piece of plastic... |
| 04:40.23 | Mavantix | litage: small business, I'm looking to get four phones to start with. |
| 04:40.28 | [TK]D-Fender | Mavantix : But better than its predecessors... |
| 04:40.31 | litage | tzanger: i'm not sure at the moment |
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| 04:40.37 | litage | tzanger: so probably yes.. |
| 04:41.21 | [TK]D-Fender | Mavantix : Any real odds on your using PoE (powre over ethernet) to power your phones? Also would you need to plug the phone in a chain with a computer or would it have its own jack? |
| 04:41.28 | litage | tzanger: well actually, wouldn't asterisk listen to DTMFs only if you hook an analog phone into an FXS which is installed in the asterisk box? |
| 04:41.39 | Mavantix | [TK]D-Fender: ok... so say in the sub $300/per phone range (which should knock of the really expensive phones I probably don't need), where should I be looking? Polycom seemed to stand out on voip-info, anyone have any experiance with them? |
| 04:41.52 | ManxPower | litage, or inband dtmf |
| 04:41.59 | tzanger | litage: generally speaking, yes |
| 04:42.03 | litage | ManxPower: what's inband dtmf? |
| 04:42.19 | ManxPower | litage, it's what crazy people do with DTMF. |
| 04:42.37 | tzanger | ManxPower: if the call's coming in SIP g729 it won't be inband :-) |
| 04:42.38 | Mavantix | [TK]D-Fender: PoE would be nice for future, but need power brick support for the short term. Chain port for eth, yes, good to have. |
| 04:42.50 | litage | tzanger: so unless i have an FXS in my asterisk box with some analog phones attached, my asterisk box won't be dealing with DTMFs? |
| 04:42.55 | ManxPower | tzanger, Well, you HOPE it's not. |
| 04:43.04 | tzanger | litage: generally speaking, yes |
| 04:43.40 | [TK]D-Fender | Mavantix : how many phones, and would you like this to be a "one-shot" purchase (like a phone to end the thgouht of your thinking you'll ever need to upgrade again) |
| 04:43.53 | litage | tzanger: so if an ip phone registers with my asterisk box and hits a couple of keys on the dialpad, are those considered DTMFs? |
| 04:44.27 | tzanger | litage: yes, but your ip phone own't be doing inband dtmf with g729 |
| 04:44.28 | riddlebox | [TK]D-Fender: I have my calls coming in to one extension(sip) I want it to go to that voicemail so we can check that extensions voicemail and but I want to eventually once it hits the greeting, we can press like 997 have asterisk authenticate us and then go to a menu for setting up a recording in mythtv |
| 04:44.35 | tzanger | so it'll be sending rfc2833 packets |
| 04:46.05 | Mavantix | [TK]D-Fender: 4 phones, though only two intended to be in my office, the other two in remote users homes (cable modem/dsl) and connecting to my asterisk server (To be setup). The two in the office can be expensive(r) and the two remote user phones can just be whatever is needed... |
| 04:46.06 | [TK]D-Fender | riddlebox : Sounds like you want a seperate IVR to control your MythTV setup. That would have nothing to do with your SIP phone actually. it would be for potentially any given call |
| 04:46.14 | litage | tzanger: so then my asterisk box will rarely be doing any transcoding to or from g729, right? |
| 04:46.40 | Mavantix | [TK]D-Fender: so, the two for me should be one-shot purchases, and the other two can be cheapo's, maybe GXP-2000's if they'll suffice. |
| 04:47.22 | Mavantix | [TK]D-Fender: maybe that brings another point, is there any problem mixing phones with Asterisk? |
| 04:47.28 | [TK]D-Fender | Mavantix : For the office the Polycom IP 601 is a really great phone. For remote extension (esp if its reduced call volume and no need for "perks") I'd suggest Linksys SPA-941 |
| 04:47.56 | [TK]D-Fender | Mavantix : * in its very definition implies it'll work with pretty much ANYTHING :) |
| 04:48.00 | riddlebox | [TK]D-Fender: I dont want my calls to be answered by the auto attendant or anything, I want it to seem like a regular pots line, maybe I will just have it play a menu but have like 5 seconds of silence recorded before I timeout to the voicemail box |
| 04:48.36 | tzanger | litage: I have no idea what your box will be doing |
| 04:48.58 | tzanger | but if you're out ot handle 100-150 simultaneous calls right out of the gate without some basic asterisk knowledge... well let's just say you're in for some fun. :-) |
| 04:49.19 | dos000 | what can happen if an extension is configured as nat but is not actually behind a nat ? asterisk and the devicehind the same firewall/router both be |
| 04:49.53 | litage | tzanger: 90% of the devices talking to my * box will be using g729, and the box will be speaking only g729 to my carrier. i'd like to find out how many simultaneous g729 calls the box can handle |
| 04:50.10 | [TK]D-Fender | riddlebox : best way for that idea to work (since you seem to want * to feel like an answering machine) is have it ring your extension. On busy/no-answer go into an IVR menu which will answer the call but not give any promts. That menu will have a 3 second time-out DURING which you could capture the comand to take control of MythTV. if it times out then you can continue to Voicemail |
| 04:50.24 | dos000 | the device and asterisk are both behind the same firewall/router |
| 04:50.30 | litage | tzanger: obviously i won't be expecting to support loads like that right away. as i gain more knowledge and experience with asterisk, i'll scale it up |
| 04:50.37 | tzanger | good good :-) |
| 04:50.49 | riddlebox | [TK]D-Fender: thats what I was thinking as well |
| 04:50.50 | tzanger | litage: without load testing you'll never know how much it can handle |
| 04:51.16 | [TK]D-Fender | riddlebox : Easy enough. A dozen lines or so |
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| 04:51.27 | litage | tzanger: i just don't understand why i need to test transcoding since, as you and i have established, my box will be doing very little transcoding |
| 04:51.46 | riddlebox | that will be at a later date though, I need to get asterisk running smoothly first, then figure out how to get it to work with MythTv |
| 04:51.49 | tzanger | your original question asked whetehr you needed 200 g729 licenses or just one |
| 04:51.51 | tzanger | er or just 100 |
| 04:52.00 | litage | tzanger: true |
| 04:53.03 | litage | tzanger: i understand that there's software that can create a specified # of calls to an asterisk box so that you can see what happens to the box under high loads |
| 04:53.05 | Mavantix | [TK]D-Fender: ok, so then what's this whole "line appeances" stuff, is that just the button to pick up other lines? What happens if the phone only supports two or four, but I end up with 5-6 incoming lines? Will phones only supporting 4 line appeances be outdated/unusable? |
| 04:53.48 | tzanger | yes |
| 04:54.07 | litage | tzanger: to a test like that of say, 100 simultaneous calls, would the software that generates the 100 calls need 100 g729 licenses, as well as the 100 licenses that the target * box would definitely require? |
| 04:54.19 | tzanger | litage: are you transcoding? |
| 04:54.28 | [TK]D-Fender | Mavantix : The idea of line-keys on IP phones does not necessarily have any relation with the number of PSTN connection you may have. Think of them more as representing a number of simultaneous calls you can be on with that phone. |
| 04:54.34 | ManxPower | litage, usually yes. |
| 04:54.48 | ManxPower | litage, unless you are not transcoding |
| 04:55.13 | litage | "transcoding" being converting to or from g729? |
| 04:55.41 | [TK]D-Fender | Mavantix : "line appearances" more often relates to the number of different registrations yuor phonemay have. For instance if may be logged onto several different servers at once, each offering its own set of services to the user. |
| 04:56.22 | [TK]D-Fender | riddlebox : As for interacting with MythTV, * can do pretty much anything you can imagine with a little scripting... |
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| 04:57.22 | riddlebox | [TK]D-Fender: I have read that, that is my motivation into learning asterisk, so my girlfriend can stop calling me at work and saying when you get home will you record this show... |
| 04:57.33 | Mavantix | [TK]D-Fender: ok, so outgrowning a 2 or 4 line phone won't really happen unless that end users needs to talk to 3 or 5 people at once? ;) |
| 04:57.52 | Qwell | litage: to or from any codec |
| 04:59.01 | jake1932 | Mavantix: that all depends. my 6 line phone will take more than 6 calls at a time with call waiting - it's virtual lines |
| 04:59.17 | [TK]D-Fender | Mavantix : EXACTLY! On my IP 600's I use 3 line keys for calls (in/out), and the other 3 for speed-dials, and buddy-watch's (it looks at other SIP phones and lights up if its in use) |
| 04:59.41 | litage | Qwell: if the ip phone uses g729 with the * box, and the * box uses g729 with the carrier, will any transcoding occur? |
| 04:59.43 | jake1932 | (of course, if i ever got more than 6 calls at a time, i think i'd have other issues) |
| 04:59.56 | [TK]D-Fender | Mavantix : Technically the Polycom's can also accept more than 1 call per line key, tbut that not a very intuative way of using them. |
| 05:00.14 | riddlebox | well goodnight guys, thanks for all the help |
| 05:01.34 | azop | polycom's support buddy watch? |
| 05:01.44 | azop | ie - shows the status of other SIP extensions around the office? |
| 05:01.54 | rajiv | jake1932: but does it really matter if you dont want to put more that 1 call on hold at a time? |
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| 05:02.43 | azop | alo |
| 05:02.44 | azop | also |
| 05:02.44 | hnupik | hi, when i use asterisk server to connect a sip and h.323 network, then oply the signaling goes thru the computer where asterisk resides, or the voice packets too? |
| 05:02.53 | hnupik | only |
| 05:02.53 | azop | anyone have idea any why I'm getting this when dialing a ZAP extension? |
| 05:02.54 | azop | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:02.56 | jake1932 | rajiv: you only should need more than 1 line appearance if you want to make an outgoing call appear from a different line |
| 05:03.13 | jake1932 | or using a different gw |
| 05:03.17 | jake1932 | something like that |
| 05:03.46 | [TK]D-Fender | azop : yup, works well |
| 05:03.47 | rajiv | jake1932: i have a client now who is considering a switch to * .. they have 4 line analog phones on each desk and no pbx. so every desk has every line. |
| 05:03.51 | litage | ManxPower: would any transcoding need to occur if an ip phone uses g729 with the * box, and the * box uses g729 with the carrier? |
| 05:04.05 | Mavantix | [TK]D-Fender: ok, I think I'm going to get 2 601's and 2 of the 941's... |
| 05:04.17 | azop | [TK]D-Fender: Can I mix and match, say IP 501's and 601's? |
| 05:04.29 | Mavantix | [TK]D-Fender: any recommended online stores? |
| 05:04.32 | [TK]D-Fender | azop : not sure what you mean exactly... |
| 05:04.41 | [TK]D-Fender | Mavantix : Depends where you are... |
| 05:04.44 | azop | basically do the 501's and 601's both support buddy watch |
| 05:04.51 | rajiv | jake1932: but they dont know the phone numbers of lines 2 3 or 4. so i think moving them ot a pbx with 2 line appearances on each phone would require a little learning |
| 05:04.52 | jake1932 | rajiv: if they want to see which line the calls are coming in on, they would need seperate line appearances - otherwise, it shouldn't matter |
| 05:04.59 | rajiv | ya |
| 05:05.05 | [TK]D-Fender | azop : sure, but with 3 line keys on the 501, why waste the there? :) |
| 05:05.15 | [TK]D-Fender | Buddy watch = 601 in my eyes... |
| 05:05.20 | Qwell | "only 3"? |
| 05:05.41 | Qwell | doesn't that still allow 6 or more calls? |
| 05:05.50 | azop | [TK]D-Fender: I was planning on getting a couple 501's and a 601 for the recepionist |
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| 05:06.11 | [TK]D-Fender | Qwell : Yeah the 501 has 3 line keys. If you were to all 24 per key, and used only 1 that'd only leave you 2 keys to "watch" |
| 05:06.34 | [TK]D-Fender | azop : How big a deployment? |
| 05:06.40 | Qwell | true, for presence it would be useful |
| 05:06.57 | rajiv | in another case, 2 incoming PSTN lines, 2 941's. ... 2 line appearances should be fine unless i want each phone to be able to also watch the status of the other phone? |
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| 05:07.00 | azop | 4 x 501's 1 x 601 |
| 05:07.04 | azop | and some cordless phones |
| 05:07.12 | azop | and 3 incoming POTS lines |
| 05:07.15 | hnupik | when i use asterisk server to connect a sip and h.323 network, then oply the signaling goes thru the computer where asterisk resides, or the voice packets too? |
| 05:07.50 | [TK]D-Fender | azop : What do the 501 users do work-wise and call-wise? |
| 05:07.52 | jake1932 | does asterisk support watching status? |
| 05:08.00 | Qwell | jake1932: presence/hints |
| 05:08.04 | jake1932 | ok |
| 05:08.12 | rajiv | i thought it was called BLF |
| 05:08.20 | Qwell | ~blf |
| 05:08.24 | [TK]D-Fender | rajiv : thats a common term for it. |
| 05:08.37 | azop | [TK]D-Fender: not much, sit around until a call is transferred to them |
| 05:08.51 | j_vianna | I'm having problems using realtime... When I use X-Lite SIP/2.0 403 Forbidden (Bad auth). Anyone can help me ? |
| 05:08.52 | [TK]D-Fender | No need for anything fancy I guess? |
| 05:08.57 | azop | nope |
| 05:09.09 | azop | I would throw some GXP's around but they are a little buggy for office use |
| 05:09.13 | Mavantix | [TK]D-Fender: US. voipstore.atacomm.com seems cheap |
| 05:09.25 | [TK]D-Fender | Mavantix : thats what I'd suggest |
| 05:09.36 | Mavantix | [TK]D-Fender: $250 for 601's, $150 for the SPA's. |
| 05:09.37 | azop | j_vianna: what is your sip.conf like |
| 05:09.37 | [TK]D-Fender | best deal I've ever seen them for |
| 05:09.49 | ManxPower | litage, in theory no. |
| 05:10.03 | [TK]D-Fender | Mavantix : though with the price they are asking for 501's, I might stongly consider them.... |
| 05:10.09 | j_vianna | azop: Thanks... I'm using mysql realtime. |
| 05:10.17 | [TK]D-Fender | The 501 IS superior to the SPA-941. |
| 05:10.21 | Mavantix | [TK]D-Fender: over the SPA's? |
| 05:10.26 | rajiv | so the snom 360 has 12 line appearances ? |
| 05:10.27 | Mavantix | [TK]D-Fender: Hmm |
| 05:10.38 | ManxPower | litage, but, unless you manage to convert all existing system audio files into G729 format, and teach Voicemail to hook into g729 (does this already work) |
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| 05:11.04 | [TK]D-Fender | yeah. Its a question of price-point. Atacomm sell unusually low and you won't find much like them elsewhere. |
| 05:11.31 | [TK]D-Fender | So on par the 501 is often found more around $200USD. |
| 05:11.48 | j_vianna | azop: My configuration works with a ATA but not with softphone. Maybe something with authentication method ? |
| 05:11.58 | litage | ManxPower: what format are the system audio files? |
| 05:12.01 | Mavantix | [TK]D-Fender: the dual ports on the 501 is enough to make it worth $30 mroe each than the 941 |
| 05:12.06 | azop | j_vianna: I use jtlabs's jtphone |
| 05:12.09 | ManxPower | litage, GSM |
| 05:12.18 | azop | j_vianna: there's some tweakage for X-lite, have you seen that on the WIKI? |
| 05:12.20 | [TK]D-Fender | but for the 50$ (tops) difference you get a better quality phone w/ 2 eth ports, and a few other perks. PoE with a special adapter cable, etc. |
| 05:12.35 | [TK]D-Fender | Mavantix : in that case I'd say go all-polycom. |
| 05:12.48 | azop | [TK]D-Fender: did you see my line about what the 501 users do? |
| 05:13.01 | litage | ManxPower: other than system audio files, what else would use non-g729? |
| 05:13.17 | Mavantix | [TK]D-Fender: cool. I saw alot on voip-info talking about the polycom's too, seemed there's some cool stuff you can do with them (like custom idle logo?) |
| 05:13.36 | j_vianna | azop: I found only WIKI about X-lite configuration, but not about some tweakage... I gonna look thanks. |
| 05:13.55 | [TK]D-Fender | Mavantix : A thing to know. Forget using the web interface to configure them. You'll want to provision them through a server which means yo'u'll have to create their custom config files. Read up on that. |
| 05:13.56 | ManxPower | Mavantix, the cool stuff is only on the 60x model |
| 05:14.20 | [TK]D-Fender | azop : if they don't need a speakerphone even you could get away with 301's... but thats kinda cheap :) |
| 05:14.38 | ManxPower | what I did was customize the polycoms via the web interface, let the phone upload it's config file and then moved to a server based config, since I had a working config file already. |
| 05:14.39 | azop | [TK]D-Fender: mmm ok :) |
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| 05:15.19 | [TK]D-Fender | Mavantix : I never got the standard idle to work. I got mine (IP 600's) to use the micro-browser as idle which mean I get live web-content on mine (including my company's logo) |
| 05:15.49 | rajiv | hmm ya. snom 360 have 12 line buttons and can 'subscribe' to 12 sip extensions to show free/busy |
| 05:15.58 | azop | [TK]D-Fender: maybe the 601 is overkill for the Receptionist...3 incoming lines |
| 05:16.21 | [TK]D-Fender | azop : The 301 is a quality MINIMAL phone, but I think buying a phone without speaker-phone a crime.... |
| 05:16.30 | azop | yes :( |
| 05:16.56 | azop | now, if only I can fix this bug: |
| 05:16.56 | [TK]D-Fender | azop : Don't think of lines in that way. Its "simultaneous calls" + "buddy watch.... |
| 05:16.57 | azop | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:17.25 | azop | I haven't played with ANY polycom phones...does 'buddy watch' light up a LED? |
| 05:17.51 | [TK]D-Fender | yup! And has a little IM-like character next to their name (which you define in your contact list) |
| 05:18.09 | [TK]D-Fender | and does like (-) when their on the phone and lights up |
| 05:19.21 | azop | interesting |
| 05:19.48 | azop | buddy watch is setup in the web control panel of the polycom phone? |
| 05:19.52 | Mavantix | [TK]D-Fender: Hmm, ok. 2 601 |
| 05:19.58 | Mavantix | damn it enter key |
| 05:20.15 | Mavantix | [TK]D-Fender: 2 601's and 2 501's, $840 + shipping |
| 05:20.21 | Mavantix | not bad. |
| 05:20.44 | [TK]D-Fender | azop : no you need to tell your config file to enable buddy watch, then you add contacts into the phone directly and tell it to "watch" them. |
| 05:21.13 | Mavantix | I have a feeling they'll sit here for awhile while I learn to program everything. |
| 05:21.13 | Mavantix | heh |
| 05:21.14 | [TK]D-Fender | Mavantix : I run 26 x IP 600's, and 1 IP 601 w/ 2 attendant modules. (and a whack of other stuff) |
| 05:21.17 | azop | the asterisk conifig9s)? |
| 05:21.30 | [TK]D-Fender | azop : no, the polycom's XML config files. |
| 05:21.42 | azop | ok |
| 05:21.42 | azop | :) |
| 05:21.52 | [TK]D-Fender | they work much like Cisco's |
| 05:22.02 | [TK]D-Fender | in the way they are provisioned. |
| 05:22.19 | azop | question is....will buddy watch work with ZAP extensions (non sip phones) |
| 05:22.25 | Mavantix | [TK]D-Fender: nice! are they reasonably easy to configure and find info for configuring them? I see voip-info has alot, but I dunno all that stuff too well... (* newb) |
| 05:22.33 | Qwell | azop: should work with anything |
| 05:22.36 | azop | ok |
| 05:23.06 | azop | on a ZAP extension does the phone have to 'login'? Something is reporting that my ZAP extension is busy and I'm not getting any calls to it |
| 05:23.43 | [TK]D-Fender | Mavantix : Once you gt your phones I'll pass you a sample to play with. Once we'll determine if you need to upgrade the SIP firmware on it and you'll download the Admin guide PDF and print it up. |
| 05:24.12 | [TK]D-Fender | Its not that hard and you don't need to know that much to get them up and running. with a little help you'll be just fine. |
| 05:24.53 | azop | [TK]D-Fender: I might borrow that sample sometime |
| 05:24.55 | azop | :P |
| 05:25.17 | [TK]D-Fender | azop : more than welcome to it. |
| 05:25.30 | Mavantix | [TK]D-Fender: ok cool. Now as far as voip providers for trunks, who should I got through? |
| 05:25.35 | azop | has anyone played with intercom(s) / paging? |
| 05:25.38 | Mavantix | probably will want two lines to start with. |
| 05:26.09 | [TK]D-Fender | Mavantix : You're planning on using a VoIP trunk for your business lines? |
| 05:26.10 | azop | currently my only option is a VoIP intercom module that is operated from a computer |
| 05:26.57 | [TK]D-Fender | azop : Polycom's support an auto-answer mode that can be used for paging... there are scrips on the WIKI for that. |
| 05:27.03 | azop | ok |
| 05:27.23 | azop | how about paging with a actually 'intercom' on a existing site ;P |
| 05:27.40 | litage | ManxPower: other than system audio files, what else would use non-g729? |
| 05:28.40 | Mavantix | [TK]D-Fender: sure, why wouldn't I? reliability? |
| 05:28.42 | [TK]D-Fender | azop : as in a seperate amplified speaker system? |
| 05:29.12 | [TK]D-Fender | Mavantix : Quality, security, reliability.... |
| 05:29.19 | Mavantix | [TK]D-Fender: right now I'm using a cell phone, and have a Verizon RFC #, and a Kall8 800 #. |
| 05:29.41 | Mavantix | [TK]D-Fender: While I agree with all that, I sorta hate Verizon ;) |
| 05:29.51 | [TK]D-Fender | Mavantix : RFC? |
| 05:30.02 | wshs | isn't there an option or command for "hey, this matches something, forget the potential other longer matches"? |
| 05:30.16 | Mavantix | [TK]D-Fender: Typo, RCF ... Remote Call Forward |
| 05:30.39 | Mavantix | my "main" business # just relays to my cell # permantely, makes for changing the ring to number easy. |
| 05:30.45 | [TK]D-Fender | Mavantix : You could go VoIP-only but I wouldn't know whose good in the US... |
| 05:30.47 | rob0 | Asterisk cmd WaitExten(seconds) ... what is the default if no time specified? That's not in the Wiki page. |
| 05:31.26 | [TK]D-Fender | rob0 : I'd lay odds on "indefinate" |
| 05:31.42 | Mavantix | [TK]D-Fender: My only concern is picking a providor who can ring my cell if the voip is down, at least for now. In the future I may expand to a couple POTS lines. |
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| 05:32.42 | rob0 | it was used in the [demo] without a time |
| 05:33.08 | [TK]D-Fender | Mavantix : I was looking to do a simiar thing at home :) I've got my home on a busy/no-answer transfer to a work DID. that DID calls my home through SIP (hence unlimited incoming calls) and if there is no ansewr then forwards to my cell. |
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| 05:34.59 | rob0 | oh well, I guess it doesn't matter |
| 05:35.55 | azop | [TK]D-Fender: <[TK]D-Fender> azop : as in a seperate amplified speaker system? - Yes, one like this: http://www.valcompagingproducts.com/catalog/model_V-1030C.htm |
| 05:35.56 | [TK]D-Fender | rob0 : My suggestion : Screw "autofallthrough" and use the old method... |
| 05:36.07 | rob0 | force a hangup |
| 05:36.24 | [TK]D-Fender | azop : for example :) |
| 05:36.58 | azop | I can get a VoIP module...but currently it doesn't support SIP |
| 05:36.59 | [TK]D-Fender | rob0 : ditch autofalthrough and waitexten and use the old timeout method. |
| 05:37.01 | azop | which is bleh |
| 05:37.05 | azop | err |
| 05:37.08 | azop | PoE not VoIP |
| 05:37.13 | azop | *wake up* |
| 05:37.23 | [TK]D-Fender | azop : Look for one that runs on an auto-answer analog and put it on an ATA <------- |
| 05:37.47 | rob0 | ok thx [TK]D-Fender |
| 05:37.48 | [TK]D-Fender | I don;t remeber the model I saw offhand, but they are easy enough to find... |
| 05:37.49 | azop | interesting idea |
| 05:37.53 | Mavantix | [TK]D-Fender: ok, $900 later, phones should be here Wednesday or Thursday... Thanks for your help! |
| 05:38.01 | [TK]D-Fender | np :) |
| 05:38.11 | azop | any idea on google search food? :P |
| 05:38.39 | Mavantix | now I need to actually setup my asterisk box. Any reason I can't use Asterisk@Home? |
| 05:39.03 | azop | AAH is sorta limited on the web interface |
| 05:39.04 | jake1932 | cause it will eventually give you more grief |
| 05:39.11 | azop | which is great for quickly setting stuff up |
| 05:39.16 | azop | (quick) |
| 05:39.23 | azop | but evil for certain advanced things |
| 05:39.31 | Mavantix | like? |
| 05:39.36 | Qwell | evil for everything |
| 05:39.41 | azop | :P |
| 05:39.42 | Qwell | and not evil in the good way, like file |
| 05:39.49 | azop | yes :( |
| 05:40.19 | trixter | azop any idea on google search food? :P -- dont give them ideas or they will have foodgle.google.com soon :P |
| 05:40.19 | [TK]D-Fender | Mavantix : A@H will let you (maybe) set things up in a more suer friendly way, but you sell your soul to it... |
| 05:40.34 | [TK]D-Fender | A@H = evil.... |
| 05:40.54 | Mavantix | heh |
| 05:40.56 | azop | trixter: mmm, maybe I can get some credit for my google advertising if I submit that ;P |
| 05:41.04 | trixter | I like lawsuits so anything that is suer friendly I am for :) |
| 05:41.19 | trixter | azop: instead ask for credit to buy food off of that |
| 05:41.23 | Mavantix | now it sounds like I'm going to have fun if I can't pop a CD in and setup everything without VI ;) |
| 05:41.29 | azop | :) |
| 05:41.35 | trixter | I could see google eventually doing like kozmo |
| 05:41.52 | Qwell | purfume ads? |
| 05:41.58 | Mavantix | is there a great "how to setup Asterisk the right way for a business" article out there? |
| 05:42.06 | Qwell | Mavantix: check the wiki |
| 05:42.09 | trixter | they have the money now and kozmo was a good idea just over expanded too quickly but that is what you get when a 22 year old runs a multimillion dollar company with no prior experience |
| 05:42.32 | trixter | Mavantix: the 'right' way is soooooo dependant upon what its application is |
| 05:42.50 | [TK]D-Fender | Mavantix : Quick tip if this is your first * install.... look at the default extensions.conf and sip.conf files... then trash the &^#$* out of them. It is 95$ useless excess samples a lot of which servers no purpose for you. |
| 05:43.23 | [TK]D-Fender | Mavantix : Depends how complicated a setup you are looking for. |
| 05:43.55 | [TK]D-Fender | I despise GUI front ends to things like * with good cause. You give up control on all the stuff you'll probably want to be able to di. |
| 05:44.16 | [TK]D-Fender | do* |
| 05:44.54 | asterboy | It would be nice if you could select amoung some sample setups. The default being 1 FXO, 1 FXS, 1 SIP, 1 IAX. |
| 05:44.57 | azop | [TK]D-Fender: http://www.vikingelectronics.com/products/view_product.php?pid=29# <- this? |
| 05:46.11 | [TK]D-Fender | azop : I do believe that'd do.... |
| 05:46.36 | azop | :) |
| 05:46.44 | azop | fender to the rescue again |
| 05:46.59 | azop | now if I can only get this one bug fixed i'd be happy |
| 05:47.03 | [TK]D-Fender | slap that on an ATA and you're in business |
| 05:47.12 | azop | or FXS |
| 05:47.13 | azop | ? |
| 05:47.25 | [TK]D-Fender | that noOp deal? Pastebin your extensions.conf and I'll take a look. |
| 05:47.34 | Mavantix | [TK]D-Fender: Well, I hope my setup will be simple. 4 phones, two on the local network, two connecting in to use the PBX, sharing 2 or 3 voip lines, 4 voicemail boxes (one for each extention)... nothing much else "special" to start with. |
| 05:47.51 | [TK]D-Fender | ATA (analog terminal adapter). Typically implies FXS tthough I've heard it used with regards to FXO at times. |
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| 05:48.26 | j_vianna | Hi guys... I'm using realtime and I have a problem... Basicaly every time I do "reload" on asterisk I loose all my contacts and X-lite can't authenticate. After a few minutes (3 or 4 minutes) it authenticate and I can make calls... Anyone have ideia how to avoid it ? |
| 05:48.29 | [TK]D-Fender | Mavantix : Forget A@H for that kind of setup.... |
| 05:48.56 | azop | [TK]D-Fender: yea, but instead of purchasing a ATA I can just pickup connect it to a FXS module on a digium card |
| 05:49.08 | [TK]D-Fender | azop : do you own it already? |
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| 05:49.19 | azop | the module, nope |
| 05:49.21 | Flauto | hi people |
| 05:49.23 | [TK]D-Fender | (the digium card) |
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| 05:49.24 | azop | but they are a little cheaper? |
| 05:49.37 | azop | oh |
| 05:49.41 | [TK]D-Fender | azop : actually... NO :) ATA's are still cheaper. |
| 05:49.47 | azop | :) |
| 05:50.10 | Flauto | anyone uses ez-ipupdate? |
| 05:50.11 | Nugget | if I had it to do over again I'd have gotten a sipura instead of the tdm400p. |
| 05:50.16 | trixter | I got my ATA for $30 and its quality is really good |
| 05:50.29 | Qwell | I'd get an ip phone ;] |
| 05:50.40 | Nugget | well yeah, that too. :) |
| 05:50.55 | Mavantix | [TK]D-Fender: heh, suuuuuuuure. Think I can have a PBX running by the end of the year? ;) |
| 05:50.56 | trixter | 2 fxs ports, 1 fxo (will allow pstn if voip is down or power out or ... and lets inbound pstn in) |
| 05:51.00 | Nugget | fxs is still the best solution for cordless, though, imho |
| 05:51.05 | [TK]D-Fender | Nugget : I ditched my TDM22B for an SPA-3000 & SPA-941 :) |
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| 05:51.15 | trixter | does qos, blah blah blah which I dont use but it claims to do it :P |
| 05:51.17 | [TK]D-Fender | Mavantix : 1 day <- |
| 05:51.28 | Qwell | Nugget: I poe my 7960, and have a wireless bridge on it |
| 05:51.37 | Qwell | so, I can walk around the house with it |
| 05:51.39 | Nugget | I mean cordless. |
| 05:51.39 | azop | I picked up a 4 port digium card tdm400 |
| 05:51.49 | Nugget | not portable |
| 05:51.50 | [TK]D-Fender | All you'll need is a "cut & paste" config and some sample polycom provisioning stuff (thats the hardest part) |
| 05:51.54 | Qwell | Nugget: You were supposed to see a very serious flaw in that plan :p |
| 05:51.57 | Nugget | heh |
| 05:52.39 | Qwell | nah, but...plantronics headset, all the way |
| 05:53.39 | Nugget | I wish there was a better headset option for the cisco phones |
| 05:53.49 | Qwell | plantronics not good enough? |
| 05:53.55 | Nugget | I want something that can pick up and hang up from the headset |
| 05:53.55 | Mavantix | [TK]D-Fender: I can do 1 day :) ... What OS should I run, FC4, CentOS, Debian, ?? |
| 05:54.15 | [TK]D-Fender | Mavantix : Whatever you're most comfortable with. |
| 05:54.23 | msw | pound key! |
| 05:54.34 | [TK]D-Fender | Mavantix : Make sure you have al the std libraries and its all good. |
| 05:54.42 | Qwell | Nugget: mine can. :D |
| 05:54.45 | Nugget | Mavantix: any unix is fine. any linux if you plan to use zaptel. |
| 05:54.52 | Nugget | Qwell: oh? what model? |
| 05:54.53 | Qwell | Nugget: granted, I've got a handset lifter...but still :P |
| 05:54.57 | Nugget | oh, yeah. |
| 05:54.58 | Nugget | that's uck. |
| 05:55.30 | [TK]D-Fender | Qwell : handset lifter? EW! Just get a cordless phone! |
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| 05:55.41 | Qwell | Know of any cordless phones that can do XML? |
| 05:56.01 | [TK]D-Fender | Qwell : an iPaq? :) |
| 05:56.20 | Qwell | Something that at least resembles a phone? |
| 05:56.23 | Mavantix | Nugget: Zaptel? ;) |
| 05:56.25 | [TK]D-Fender | DETAILS! |
| 05:56.33 | Nugget | Mavantix: digium hardware |
| 05:56.54 | Nugget | a chan_bluetooth that could talk to my mobile phone would be a good solution for me |
| 05:57.04 | [TK]D-Fender | Mavantix : For digium hardware AND the ZTDUMMY timing source you'll be needing (for confreences, etc) |
| 05:57.13 | Qwell | and or or? |
| 05:57.18 | Qwell | surely or |
| 05:57.44 | [TK]D-Fender | I just tested the headset option on my SPA-941... very nice.... |
| 05:58.05 | [TK]D-Fender | I love my new baby-Cisco :) |
| 05:58.10 | azop | [TK]D-Fender: I'm not worried about the 'has no voicemail' part of the line, I'm trying to figure out how asterisk is telling the ZAP line is busy |
| 05:58.19 | azop | (it's not) |
| 05:58.47 | Mavantix | [TK]D-Fender: oh, well I won't have any digium hardware just yet, but I'll probably want conference calling :) |
| 05:58.53 | [TK]D-Fender | azop : pastebin more of the CLI output and the sectionof extensions.conf that's being called. |
| 05:59.10 | azop | ok |
| 05:59.26 | [TK]D-Fender | Mavantix : So any Linux will do. You'll need * & Zaptel sources and you're good to go. |
| 05:59.55 | trixter | if you want something without a lot of overhead astlinux.org is 27MB |
| 06:00.17 | trixter | has vi for editing config files (you can install anything else though) and has a web based gui if you want that.. |
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| 06:00.36 | trixter | they have a livecd as well as a vmware image suitable for vmwares free player which lets you try before you commit |
| 06:00.42 | Mavantix | heh, cool. I can't wait!! I'll probably try and get the box up and running tomorrow... |
| 06:00.48 | tengulre | hi,all |
| 06:01.16 | trixter | I am using astlinux for the janurary AUG to do a live install and all to help people get to the point they can use asterisk to do soemthing useful |
| 06:01.23 | trixter | mostly bcuase of its size and what it hasbuilt in |
| 06:01.42 | azop | astlinux has a web GUI? - based on AMP or ? |
| 06:01.45 | trixter | plus to toss around 27M images wont take that long :) |
| 06:01.50 | tengulre | anybody can answer me? I want to building a VOIP system, so, what hardwares and softwares me need? |
| 06:02.02 | trixter | according to astlinus its a phpconfig style but not phpconfig afaik |
| 06:02.11 | trixter | they dont use apache either they use a smaller tiny-httpd |
| 06:02.35 | trixter | tengulre: depends on what you want to do.. small number of voip only channels, especially with no transcoding a old box will work |
| 06:02.44 | jake1932 | tengulre: based on the fact you entered the asterisk room - can we assume you know asterisk is the right software to use? |
| 06:02.54 | trixter | if you want to process a high call volume, run a bunch of applications, interface directly with the pstn you will need more hardware |
| 06:04.19 | trixter | jake1932: he didnt enter a room, this is irc there are no rooms :) |
| 06:04.24 | Mavantix | what is the best DB to use for storing call logs when it comes to third party reporting utilities? I see it supports Postgres and MySQL with a CVS checkout... |
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| 06:04.49 | jake1932 | s/room/channel |
| 06:05.03 | [TK]D-Fender | Mavantix : It wouldn't be a question of "best" but rather what choice is used by most options : that'd by MySQL. |
| 06:05.12 | [TK]D-Fender | be* |
| 06:05.36 | [TK]D-Fender | Personally I'd prefer PostgreSQL, but then again I'm a purist. |
| 06:05.36 | Mavantix | doh, figures. |
| 06:06.02 | Mavantix | I assume the the wiki is outdated with the cvs stuff, since Asterisk switched to SVN... |
| 06:06.16 | [TK]D-Fender | yup |
| 06:06.30 | [TK]D-Fender | tough CVS is held in pseudo-parallel |
| 06:07.14 | trixter | Mavantix: 'best' depends on a variety of factors.. what features do you want out of the database? what do your administrators know (relearing is often a costly process, due to not only the education on the new system but slow down in work and higher error rate until they are as familiar with it as they were with the old) and if you have apps that need to access the data that are mysql only then going to anything else (for example) would have additio |
| 06:07.14 | trixter | nal costs to port your app |
| 06:07.43 | trixter | further there may be a database specific feature you want and that makes one 'better' than another |
| 06:07.50 | trixter | there is no 'best' for everything |
| 06:08.07 | trixter | there are however 'best' for specific things |
| 06:08.30 | Qwell | simply put, "best" is subjective. |
| 06:08.59 | trixter | that argument comes up more over operating systems, you hear some say 'linux is best' but I wouldnt put my grandma on linux |
| 06:09.03 | Mavantix | yeah, I understand... |
| 06:09.07 | trixter | so obviously its not best for everything |
| 06:09.16 | Qwell | my grandma runs gentoo - stage 1. She installed it herself. |
| 06:09.34 | trixter | odds are you are considerably younger than I am |
| 06:09.37 | Mavantix | also, should I chose kernel 2.4.x? I see some stuff in the wiki, like "an 2004: it appears that both ztdummy and zaprtc cannot be loaded on (2.6 kernels)?" |
| 06:09.41 | Mavantix | is that still true? |
| 06:09.42 | trixter | hence so is your grandma |
| 06:09.43 | Qwell | nah, she's been dead for 25 years ;P |
| 06:10.03 | shido6 | what if she makes you food? |
| 06:10.05 | shido6 | can you eat it |
| 06:10.14 | trixter | Mavantix: I run 2.6 with zaptel and wcfxo (not ztdummy) they work so I expect ztdummy does as well |
| 06:10.20 | *** part/#asterisk rob0 (i=1007@sorry.no-ip-here.net) |
| 06:11.31 | [TK]D-Fender | in 2.6 you don't really need ZTDUMMY supposedly and can time right off the kernel |
| 06:11.43 | [TK]D-Fender | I'm running 2.4 so naturally I use it. |
| 06:11.45 | shido6 | rtc |
| 06:12.14 | trixter | 2.4 has rtc wonder why it didnt use it there |
| 06:12.18 | trixter | if that is what its using |
| 06:12.22 | [TK]D-Fender | ok, very late for me... off to bed. Later all... |
| 06:12.36 | shido6 | they did it to get you all confused and wondering... |
| 06:12.42 | trixter | now with 2.6 you need to make sure that your timing resolution is 1000Hz (desktop) not 2Hz (server) or you will have issues |
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| 06:13.09 | trixter | that is a kernel configuration option, most afaik precompiled kernels use 1000Hz |
| 06:14.41 | Mavantix | suuuuuuuuure |
| 06:14.57 | asterboy | mediatrix FXO boxs...anyone recomend? |
| 06:15.01 | Mavantix | I can see I'll be glued to this channel getting things running ;) |
| 06:17.05 | Qwell | Don't you still need ztdummy in order to USE rtc? |
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| 06:18.33 | Gamercjm | after it installs... how can i test it can run before configure the configs? |
| 06:19.15 | Qwell | Gamercjm: test what? |
| 06:19.20 | *** join/#asterisk ball (n=ball@dialup-4.158.0.233.Dial1.Chicago1.Level3.net) |
| 06:19.22 | Gamercjm | asterisk |
| 06:19.27 | Qwell | umm |
| 06:19.28 | Qwell | ~docs |
| 06:19.30 | jbot | docs is probably probably Documentation can be found at http://www.digium.com/index.php?menu=documentation or http://www.digium.com/handbook-draft.pdf or http://www.voip-info.org/wiki-Asterisk or http://www.asteriskdocs.org or http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/asterisk or http://www.asteriskguru.com |
| 06:19.54 | ball | Do the Polycom SoundPoint IP 300 series work with Asterisk? |
| 06:20.47 | Gamercjm | hmm well i was hoping for a simple command to put... isnt there like asterisk start or something? |
| 06:21.16 | benjk | Gamercjm: /usr/sbin/asterisk |
| 06:21.25 | asterboy | ball, they should. |
| 06:21.46 | asterboy | It is afterall an IP phone, ;) |
| 06:22.01 | benjk | and if you want to see the console output ... then /usr/sbin/asterisk -vvvc |
| 06:22.31 | Gamercjm | hmm 2 errors,3 warnings.. |
| 06:22.38 | Gamercjm | thanks for showing me that |
| 06:22.57 | benjk | note however that the console mode is only good for troubleshooting |
| 06:23.21 | benjk | it starts asterisk firmly attached to the terminal you launch it from |
| 06:23.44 | asterboy | benjk, you know where to buy used powermac 9600s? |
| 06:23.50 | Gamercjm | hmm both errors are address already in use... |
| 06:23.51 | Gamercjm | ERROR[3409]: netsock.c:140 ast_netsock_bindaddr: Unable to bind to 0.0.0.0 port 4569: Address already in use |
| 06:23.58 | benjk | to run it in the background for operation, you should launch it /usr/sbin/asterisk |
| 06:23.59 | Gamercjm | but i dont have anything running on those ports |
| 06:24.15 | benjk | then connect a remote console to it by doing /usr/sbin/asterisk -vvvr |
| 06:24.41 | *** join/#asterisk bassig (n=track_ui@75.179.uio.satnet.net) |
| 06:24.42 | benjk | r for remote, which doesn't mean remote host, but remote console (= different process on the same machine) |
| 06:25.10 | trixter | technically or on another if it can access the stream pipe :P |
| 06:25.16 | Gamercjm | Unable to connect to remote asterisk (does /var/run/asterisk.ctl exist?) |
| 06:25.36 | benjk | well, you have to start asterisk in the background FIRST |
| 06:25.40 | trixter | you have to have permission to read /var/run as well as read write to asterisk.ctl |
| 06:25.45 | trixter | if you dont it will report that error |
| 06:25.52 | trixter | yeah that too |
| 06:26.07 | Gamercjm | i did do that cmd to run in backround |
| 06:26.08 | trixter | depending on how the client does stuff you may need +x on /var/run |
| 06:26.13 | trixter | required for scanning directories |
| 06:26.31 | Gamercjm | chmod +x /var/run |
| 06:26.32 | Gamercjm | oops |
| 06:26.33 | Gamercjm | haha |
| 06:26.33 | benjk | OTOH, you could just get a Mac and use Asterisk Launcher, clicking on "Start" ;-) |
| 06:26.33 | trixter | do a ps and make sure asteriks is running |
| 06:27.13 | asterboy | benjk, does all mac hardware work well with IRQs? |
| 06:27.13 | ball | thanks asterboy |
| 06:27.20 | asterboy | no prob abll |
| 06:27.23 | Gamercjm | nope, asterisk does not run |
| 06:27.37 | asterboy | ball, where you thinking of buying? |
| 06:27.40 | asterboy | or do you have? |
| 06:27.47 | bassig | hey all, quick question. Im running two SIP softphones, eventhough i can dial from them and to them, i keep getting Notice 3937, registration failed for (ip addres) anyone got any idea? |
| 06:28.04 | trixter | ut oh he said irq |
| 06:28.06 | benjk | asterboy: I think so, yes, but you won't worry about that on Macs which haven't got any PCI slots in the first place |
| 06:28.23 | asterboy | thinking the powermac? |
| 06:28.28 | asterboy | 9600? |
| 06:28.41 | benjk | the 9600 is nice for running Asterisk |
| 06:28.41 | trixter | I was thinking about the x86 mac |
| 06:28.43 | trixter | :P |
| 06:28.47 | rajiv | asterboy: why would you want to fuss with a 9600? go for a g4 |
| 06:29.00 | benjk | unless you want to do g729 codec translation |
| 06:29.05 | asterboy | thats what I was thinking |
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| 06:29.14 | benjk | because its fairly weak in the CPU department due to its age |
| 06:29.29 | asterboy | I want to pack clone cards into a machine which does not have issues with IRQs |
| 06:29.34 | benjk | rajiv: because 9600 has 6 PCI slots |
| 06:29.44 | benjk | and it can be picked up for peanuts these days |
| 06:29.51 | Gamercjm | is Xorcom Rapid any good? |
| 06:30.32 | rajiv | benjk: but the stock processor in that is too slow for * ? you could put in a g3 card i guess. |
| 06:30.38 | asterboy | The only hurdle in my asterisk creation is getting the cheap on FXO ports |
| 06:30.46 | rajiv | peanuts? i see people giving away pmac 9600s |
| 06:31.03 | benjk | well, I have been using a 9600 with only a 120MHz 604 and it works very well |
| 06:31.05 | asterboy | rajiv, where? I want some. |
| 06:31.09 | rajiv | boston |
| 06:31.32 | benjk | its just if you have many many many concurrent calls or expensive codec translations that you need to upgrade the CPU |
| 06:31.43 | benjk | you can get G3 and G4 cards for those |
| 06:32.28 | benjk | yeah, that's what I meant by peanuts |
| 06:33.32 | bassig | can anyone give me a hand pls? |
| 06:33.36 | Gamercjm | if i choose to just use a pre-isnstalled version.... should i use Xorcom Rapid, or asterisk@home? |
| 06:33.47 | benjk | no indecent proposals here please |
| 06:34.15 | benjk | Gamercjm: depends on what you want to do with it. |
| 06:34.46 | benjk | if you want to learn Asterisk, it can be an impediment to use those |
| 06:35.28 | benjk | even experienced Asterisk folk get confused by the configs that AMP creates (which is part of a@h) |
| 06:35.35 | asterboy | mediatrix could be another way to get fax...but they are not cheap. |
| 06:35.59 | benjk | asterboy, I have SpanDSP running on the 9600 |
| 06:36.31 | Gamercjm | I did try and install AMP but keeps giving php-mysql not isntall... when it clearly is install, and the asterisk is also just giving errors when i try to run |
| 06:36.46 | benjk | asterisk at home uses AMP |
| 06:37.09 | Gamercjm | yes, i tried to install AMP seperatly so i wouldnt need to use centOS |
| 06:37.17 | benjk | but as I said, if you want to learn Asterisk, you may want to go the manual route |
| 06:38.19 | Gamercjm | i would like to learn it, but for the moment i want to set-up and use it so i can learn how it works first |
| 06:38.35 | Gamercjm | like generaly works |
| 06:38.38 | benjk | well, that's what I meant by impediment to learing |
| 06:39.06 | Gamercjm | well i was planning after experimenting with it for a while to clear the OS and start from scratch |
| 06:39.19 | benjk | because its not going to be easy to figure out how asterisk works if you have AMP do your configs for you |
| 06:39.44 | benjk | it will likely remain a black box |
| 06:40.03 | benjk | so if you just want a black box, then it may be ok |
| 06:40.11 | benjk | many people use it that way |
| 06:40.16 | benjk | and they seem to be fine |
| 06:40.52 | benjk | but if you want to open the black box and find out what it does, you probably want to start with a simple manual setup |
| 06:41.18 | bassig | a quick question. Im running two SIP softphones, eventhough i can dial from them and to them, i keep getting Notice 3937, registration failed for (ip addres) in * anyone got any idea? |
| 06:41.24 | JT | so it's like opening the black box and finding it full of potting resin? |
| 06:41.25 | Gamercjm | well starting from scratch seems to be very hard since there are lots of features that i have no clue do |
| 06:41.48 | Gamercjm | so by having it preinstalled i can find out those things first |
| 06:42.19 | benjk | we also regularly get people come in here having a problem with AMP as that is the point when they get stuck because they have no clue why it doesn't work anymore and many of us don't want to waste our time trying to figure out the AMP generated configs |
| 06:42.26 | asterboy | what is the cheapest card you can use with spanDSP??? |
| 06:42.38 | benjk | the modem cards |
| 06:42.42 | Qwell | asterboy: whats with you and getting everything as cheap as possible? |
| 06:42.48 | Qwell | telephony is NOT cheap. Get used to it. |
| 06:42.51 | benjk | which are sold under the name X100P |
| 06:42.58 | trixter | done need a card, afaik it will work with a x100p though |
| 06:43.03 | asterboy | lol |
| 06:43.14 | trixter | er dont |
| 06:43.29 | asterboy | telephony can be cheap and should continue to get cheaper. |
| 06:43.50 | jtodd | OK, before I send this giant mail out to -dev, can someone triple-confirm for me that there is no MD5 passphrase exchange on the Manager API yet? |
| 06:43.50 | asterboy | In order to compete, I need the lowest price per port. |
| 06:43.58 | trixter | jitter is the problem with not using a pstn interface directly, however if that isnt a problem in your particular setup (odds are it is if you are looking for the cheapest end solution without specifying any capacity) then you can do it straight voip |
| 06:43.58 | benjk | Gamercjm: starting from scratch means you can safely ignore all those features you dont know and don't need |
| 06:44.01 | *** join/#asterisk sudhir492 (n=sudhir@pool-71-114-51-57.washdc.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
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| 06:44.11 | trixter | however if you do have jitter problems odds are you will have other issues with using it |
| 06:44.15 | sudhir492 | hi all |
| 06:44.35 | Gamercjm | well thats what i have been doing so far.. exept when try and run asterisk i get 2 errors and 2 warnings |
| 06:44.49 | Qwell | asterboy: compete with whom? |
| 06:44.51 | benjk | jtodd: I was thinking that myself and complained about its absence some while ago only to get corrected that it was infact there now |
| 06:44.56 | Gamercjm | and the errors i have no clue on how to fix.. and cant really find any docs to help with taht |
| 06:45.07 | trixter | jtodd: everything I have read suggests that there is only cleartext but I havent read everything either |
| 06:45.08 | asterboy | any business selling telephony solutions. |
| 06:45.29 | sudhir492 | I have 4 Polycom phones and a Linksys ATA in the office. For some reason, two of them get the same port number. Is there a way to correct this problem |
| 06:46.14 | sudhir492 | This is what I see when I do database show. |
| 06:46.45 | jtodd | trixter: The Manager API doc stuff is in a bit of a disarray, so I'm just trying to ensure that I'm not missing anything obvious that slipped into the code while I wasn't watching closely. |
| 06:47.04 | benjk | Gamercjm: all you need for a basic setup is an entry or two in sip.conf and/or iax.conf |
| 06:47.47 | benjk | jtodd: I think you have to dive into the source for that |
| 06:48.12 | jtodd | benjk: Yeah, I didn't see anything obvious, but sometimes I miss the obvious. |
| 06:48.21 | benjk | I was told that MD5 login was possible since about a year ago |
| 06:48.28 | Gamercjm | i did try and edit those... but still was unable to run |
| 06:48.28 | trixter | well even if it does an md5 scheme you need a nonce exchange and afaik there isnt that provision in the manager api ... |
| 06:48.31 | asterboy | benj, whats the reason behinf Yellow Dog Linux on powermac? |
| 06:48.48 | trixter | becuase if you send an md5 string as a password and its always the same string there is no difference between that and cleartext |
| 06:48.54 | *** join/#asterisk dokhench (n=dochench@adsl-156-13-196.bna.bellsouth.net) |
| 06:49.00 | trixter | although md5 isnt that good of an algorithm its better than nothing I guess |
| 06:49.06 | trixter | keeps the honest people honest |
| 06:49.49 | dokhench | what's wrong with md5? chance of hash collision? |
| 06:49.51 | benjk | well, as I said, I only know this because I did complain about its absence and I was corrected by several people that I was wrong and it was there |
| 06:49.52 | asterboy | clone cards $11, powermac almost free....FXO gateway...priceless. |
| 06:49.59 | benjk | so I don't know any specifics at all |
| 06:50.04 | marc32422 | why is goto(context,extension,priority) not working |
| 06:50.39 | JT | being able to talk to other people using voip and simpletext, that'd be cool |
| 06:50.46 | JT | pity about the whole os difference |
| 06:50.48 | benjk | Gamercjm: did you follow some of the howtos and docs, ie VoIP-Info.org ? |
| 06:50.49 | trixter | has anyone used zaptel hardware in device polling mode or is it written in such a way that its irq only? |
| 06:51.09 | trixter | asterboy: that is $11 to your door? |
| 06:51.16 | benjk | JT: SimpleText??? |
| 06:51.29 | Gamercjm | I use this tutorial to install since im on debian.. http://www.asteriskguru.com/tutorials/asterisk_installation_compilation_debian.html |
| 06:51.35 | Qwell | asterboy: If you tried to sell me a solution with x100p's and cheap ass IP phones... |
| 06:51.39 | Qwell | I'd laugh you out of my office. |
| 06:51.42 | Qwell | No offense. |
| 06:52.06 | benjk | Qwell, there are people who you cannot anything other than that |
| 06:52.08 | Gamercjm | after that i looked though the config tutorials and did what i could |
| 06:52.24 | benjk | er cannot sell anything other than that |
| 06:52.34 | asterboy | $25 to the door |
| 06:53.00 | asterboy | thats for the 1st one...get to $14 to the door for subsequent. |
| 06:53.32 | jtodd | benjk: OK, got it. MD5 already exists, just not documented really, except on voip-info and in mailing list. |
| 06:53.34 | benjk | Qwell, besides, ASterisk on a PM will give you better sound than on just about any Intel machine |
| 06:54.03 | benjk | dont laugh, try it for yourself, many linux zealots have confirmed this |
| 06:54.16 | trixter | how exactly does it give better sound? |
| 06:54.22 | benjk | I don;t know |
| 06:54.27 | trixter | hrm |
| 06:54.38 | trixter | what I would love to see is device polling on the telephony hardware |
| 06:54.47 | trixter | rather than irq based, I just dont know if it can be set that way |
| 06:55.01 | jtodd | trixter: there is a nonce exchange for the Manager API. |
| 06:55.18 | asterboy | otherwise, its about $100 per FXO port from Digium |
| 06:55.23 | benjk | I just made that comment that I had the impression it sounds better than my Intel boxes and then other folks who found this ridiculous at first got back to me and said they too found it sounded better |
| 06:55.37 | trixter | jtodd: ok I havent read anything about it, so at least that is good, keeps the kids out |
| 06:55.42 | benjk | this was a year or two ago on the mailing list |
| 06:55.58 | benjk | jtodd: that's good news |
| 06:56.05 | trixter | hrm wonder if it was different code or if it was some difference in the way the hardware was accessed |
| 06:56.20 | benjk | makes you wonder though why they haven't documented it |
| 06:56.39 | benjk | trixter: the going theory is hardware |
| 06:57.01 | benjk | because this is YDL after all, which is basicall Red Hat for PPC (well, it was at the time) |
| 06:57.34 | benjk | so the software isn't really that much different (other than some byte order stuff controlled by ifdefs) |
| 06:58.03 | Gamercjm | How would i uninstall asterisks? I would like to uninstall for now and try and install again another time |
| 06:58.14 | trixter | what hardware is it using again? |
| 06:58.26 | benjk | it? |
| 06:58.33 | trixter | the one that sounded better |
| 06:58.44 | trixter | is that voip only or some telephony board? |
| 06:59.01 | benjk | Gamercjm: perhaps the Debian package included an uninstall option |
| 06:59.15 | trixter | if debian apt-get remove asterisk |
| 06:59.17 | Gamercjm | I did isntalled from source |
| 06:59.19 | benjk | trixter, it was with Digium boards X100Ps and TDM400s |
| 06:59.23 | Gamercjm | not the apt-get |
| 06:59.37 | benjk | on a PM9600, but also on G3 and G4 towers, all running YDL |
| 07:00.01 | trixter | benjk: ahh.. well the only difference as I see it is ppc uses device polling afaik rather than interrupts so that may be the difference, if that is the case, and I am skeptical of that being the only thing but meh, then that is yet another reason to do it |
| 07:00.04 | benjk | Gamercj,: do you know any shell scripting? |
| 07:00.18 | Gamercjm | yah a little |
| 07:00.38 | marc32422 | can you jump to a different context using goto command? |
| 07:00.51 | benjk | Gamercjm: I have an uninstall script that removes asterisk and archives configs and voicemail etc |
| 07:01.04 | benjk | but I wrote the script for OSX |
| 07:01.05 | Gamercjm | alright |
| 07:01.09 | benjk | it should not matter |
| 07:01.09 | Gamercjm | oh |
| 07:01.21 | Gamercjm | yah i can probably alter it, if it needs to |
| 07:01.27 | benjk | but it may be that you have to dig into the script (bash) and change some paths or so |
| 07:01.33 | trixter | basically look in /etc/asterisk/asterisk.conf and rm everything in the directories it points to that is asterisk related |
| 07:01.37 | trixter | then rm /etc/asterisk |
| 07:01.44 | trixter | should be fairly trivial to do |
| 07:01.48 | benjk | the script is available for download at |
| 07:02.08 | Qwell | <benjk> Qwell, besides, ASterisk on a PM will give you better sound than on just about any Intel machine |
| 07:02.14 | Qwell | ^that is so going into my humor archives |
| 07:02.22 | benjk | http://www.sunrise-tel.com/asterisk-on-macosx.html |
| 07:02.27 | benjk | scroll down a little |
| 07:02.36 | benjk | where it says Asterisk Shell Scripts |
| 07:02.56 | marc32422 | exten => 1,1,Goto(context2,s,1) -- not working |
| 07:02.57 | benjk | Qwell, just try it out for yourself |
| 07:03.21 | Qwell | yeah, codecs magically sound better on a different arch |
| 07:03.31 | benjk | I don't think it is codec related |
| 07:03.52 | Gamercjm | benjk: mmk thanks |
| 07:04.48 | benjk | I believe it is hardware related |
| 07:05.15 | benjk | as trixter said, something to do with the way interrupts are handled or avoided |
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| 07:05.55 | Qwell | okay, sure :) |
| 07:06.02 | benjk | in any event, you cant run Asterisk on a Pentium I 120MHz without getting serious sound issues |
| 07:06.15 | Qwell | people can and do |
| 07:06.21 | benjk | the PM9600 I have is only 120MHz/128MB and it sounds fabulous |
| 07:06.48 | benjk | I have tried Asterisk on Pnetium IIs in the 200-300 MHz range and it was breaking up the sound |
| 07:07.09 | benjk | even Digium say that the minimum is a 300 MHz Pentium III |
| 07:07.26 | Qwell | recommended minimum. in other words, "You're an idiot if you use anything less" |
| 07:07.36 | benjk | yeah sure |
| 07:07.51 | Qwell | however, one channel would work just fine on even a 486 |
| 07:07.54 | benjk | but the PM9600 was just an experiment for compatibility of the drivers |
| 07:08.03 | Qwell | I think Damin can vouch for that... |
| 07:08.45 | asterboy | you can get a 604e 300MHz for $1 |
| 07:08.46 | benjk | anyway, I was surprised at the sound on such a weak CPU, or presumed weak by MHz |
| 07:09.28 | Qwell | twisted: <benjk> Qwell, besides, ASterisk on a PM will give you better sound than on just about any Intel machine |
| 07:09.32 | Qwell | PM=powermac |
| 07:09.36 | twisted | i agree |
| 07:09.46 | Qwell | how is that even remotely...like...yeah |
| 07:09.50 | benjk | yes, I stand by that |
| 07:10.02 | twisted | powermacs have MUCH better processing strength |
| 07:10.10 | Qwell | twisted: a 120mhz powermac? :P |
| 07:10.18 | benjk | since I have not had any Intel box that would sound as well as a comparatively strong Mac |
| 07:10.27 | benjk | I have a bunch of Xserve |
| 07:10.32 | asterboy | been looking for them...but none yet...I'll have a PowerMac 9600 with 4 clone cards soon. |
| 07:10.41 | benjk | they are 1.25 GHz G4s |
| 07:10.46 | twisted | a 120mhz powermac (which i have one) will do fine for a few channels of transcoding |
| 07:10.53 | benjk | and they toast any Intel machine on sound |
| 07:10.54 | Qwell | sure, it'll do fine |
| 07:10.56 | benjk | any |
| 07:10.57 | twisted | benjk, then that'll rock. |
| 07:11.21 | benjk | yes, of course transcoding will be a problem |
| 07:11.42 | benjk | the 120MHz PM9600 won't do a lot of transcoding |
| 07:12.00 | twisted | benjk, you can get at LEAST 6 channels of g729 -> ulaw out of it |
| 07:12.07 | twisted | before it starts sounding bad |
| 07:12.07 | benjk | I presume so |
| 07:12.13 | benjk | but I haven't tested it |
| 07:12.26 | asterboy | I'll only need 4 |
| 07:12.34 | twisted | asterboy, should be fine then |
| 07:12.49 | twisted | hell 4 channels of g729 to slin should be fine |
| 07:12.56 | asterboy | ya...now I have to find a pm |
| 07:13.00 | twisted | ebay |
| 07:13.10 | *** join/#asterisk stkn (i=nobody@gentoo/developer/pdpc.active.stkn) |
| 07:13.12 | asterboy | been looking...slim pickings |
| 07:13.17 | twisted | hmm |
| 07:13.18 | twisted | odd. |
| 07:13.36 | asterboy | one guys has one in the online store for like $300 |
| 07:13.51 | asterboy | for that price I'd just go new x86 |
| 07:14.06 | Qwell | get a sparc |
| 07:14.13 | asterboy | sparc would be nice. |
| 07:14.14 | benjk | However, Qwell, I grant you one thing ... I have never ever been able to get one of these damn Intel boards to not share interrupts |
| 07:14.21 | asterboy | don't like the os though. |
| 07:14.21 | twisted | asterboy, http://snipurl.com/kp62 |
| 07:14.26 | twisted | asterboy, $51 us buy it now |
| 07:14.28 | Qwell | benjk: apic? |
| 07:14.30 | twisted | 300mhz more than enogh |
| 07:14.33 | twisted | enough, too. |
| 07:14.33 | asterboy | guess you can put bsd on sparc now. |
| 07:14.38 | Vco | sparc + openbsd + asterisk + transcoding = ghey |
| 07:14.44 | Qwell | asterboy: and linux |
| 07:15.02 | benjk | APIC is more expensive, I can get Xserve cheaper |
| 07:15.02 | twisted | err |
| 07:15.05 | Vco | it was pretty sad, on a 400mhz anyway |
| 07:15.07 | twisted | $65 BIN |
| 07:15.08 | Qwell | expensive? |
| 07:15.11 | Qwell | it's software... |
| 07:15.37 | Qwell | Vco: my 110mhz ss5 runs like a champ. heh |
| 07:15.47 | Qwell | I bet I could get like...half a call, non transcoded |
| 07:16.01 | Qwell | and that one call would be an echo test |
| 07:16.06 | Vco | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:16.11 | asterboy | will that M5183 have proper IRQ setup? |
| 07:16.19 | benjk | I got an Ultra5 for testing Asterisk |
| 07:16.20 | Vco | i was actually expecting more out of it.. |
| 07:16.23 | asterboy | not very familiar with mac family |
| 07:16.24 | twisted | asterboy, it *SHOULD* |
| 07:16.26 | marc32422 | i get : sent into invalid extension 's' in context 'q', but no invalid handler |
| 07:16.34 | marc32422 | when using goto(q,s,1) |
| 07:16.36 | twisted | asterboy, the 5183 had good PCI support, so it SHOULD work |
| 07:16.37 | benjk | boy what a pain Solaris is |
| 07:16.41 | Qwell | marc32422: then q,s,1 doesn't exist |
| 07:16.47 | marc32422 | q,s,1 exists. |
| 07:16.51 | benjk | I never understood why SUN was doing so badly |
| 07:16.52 | Vco | got a 5/10 and a 60 i was wanting ot put to use for something * related |
| 07:16.54 | Qwell | marc32422: pastebin it |
| 07:16.59 | asterboy | like will it be similar to the powermac 9600 where you can load all the slots and have no irq issues? |
| 07:17.01 | Qwell | [q] |
| 07:17.03 | Qwell | s,1,blah |
| 07:17.03 | benjk | until I tried to install Solaris on that Ultra5 |
| 07:17.12 | twisted | asterboy, the 9600 is older IIRC |
| 07:17.16 | benjk | then I realised they are 10 years stuck in the past |
| 07:17.19 | Vco | on ide yea it blows chunks |
| 07:17.29 | Vco | scsi was a little more acceptable..still lame tho |
| 07:17.30 | asterboy | yes older, but I like the IRQ handling. |
| 07:17.50 | marc32422 | i have goto(q,s,1) |
| 07:17.50 | Vco | pretty much just putting the U60 into use for a DB server |
| 07:17.59 | twisted | asterboy, it SHOULD handle things fine. the 5193 was shortly after the 9600 - like within 1.5 yrs if i remember right |
| 07:18.01 | Qwell | marc32422: does context q exist? |
| 07:18.04 | *** join/#asterisk Timoti (n=asqsa@85.96.153.135) |
| 07:18.13 | marc32422 | and then extension q,s,1 is present |
| 07:18.18 | benjk | 5139 ??? |
| 07:18.21 | Qwell | q,s,1 isn't an extension |
| 07:18.22 | asterboy | sure can see the new case design starting to form in those M5183 |
| 07:18.24 | twisted | asterboy, i make no guarantees, but it *SHOULD* |
| 07:18.26 | Qwell | s,1 is, q is the context |
| 07:18.34 | asterboy | benjk would know. |
| 07:18.38 | Timoti | Hi everybody |
| 07:18.40 | marc32422 | q is the exten. |
| 07:18.45 | asterboy | Hi Timoti |
| 07:18.45 | Vco | Hi Dr. Nick |
| 07:18.49 | Qwell | marc32422: Then, no, that won't work |
| 07:18.51 | twisted | benjk, i meant 5183, but i'm drunk. |
| 07:18.55 | marc32422 | goto works fine when jumps occur within the same context. |
| 07:19.03 | benjk | what |
| 07:19.08 | benjk | s a 5183 then? |
| 07:19.10 | Timoti | I am really new at linux stuff.. and I just would like to ask you how I can install a agi extenstion file to my asterisk ? |
| 07:19.13 | Qwell | marc32422: which context are you trying to go to? |
| 07:19.25 | marc32422 | i want to jump to context q |
| 07:19.27 | twisted | benjk, it's a first or second rev G3 |
| 07:19.33 | Qwell | You just said you wanted exten q |
| 07:19.43 | marc32422 | no. |
| 07:19.45 | benjk | ah, you are talking in order numbers |
| 07:19.48 | Qwell | <marc32422> q is the exten. |
| 07:19.51 | marc32422 | context q, exten s, priority 1 |
| 07:19.57 | marc32422 | this exits. |
| 07:20.00 | marc32422 | exists. |
| 07:20.00 | benjk | I am usually more accustomed to model names ;-) |
| 07:20.03 | twisted | M5183 - it's a model |
| 07:20.06 | Timoti | I will be glad if I can any help ! |
| 07:20.07 | marc32422 | but goto cant find it. |
| 07:20.08 | Qwell | marc32422: What does it look like? pastebin it |
| 07:20.21 | asterboy | Does the M5183 have 6 pci slots? |
| 07:20.33 | marc32422 | goto(q,s,1) reports: sent into invalid extension 's' in context 'q', but no invalid handler |
| 07:20.40 | benjk | you mean the beige G3 |
| 07:20.49 | marc32422 | im using db extensions.conf |
| 07:20.49 | asterboy | And can they be loaded without IRQ problems? |
| 07:20.58 | Qwell | there you go |
| 07:21.02 | Timoti | no help :-( |
| 07:21.03 | asterboy | benjk, http://cgi.ebay.com/PS-Apple-Macintosh-PowerMac-G3-Mac-Computer-M5183_W0QQitemZ5840364281QQcategoryZ14911QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 07:21.05 | twisted | benjk, no, one of the first sawtooth style cases |
| 07:21.16 | Qwell | Did you add the switch for realtime in context q? |
| 07:21.23 | benjk | all PCI Macs have the same IRQ architecture |
| 07:21.28 | benjk | they don't share IRQs |
| 07:21.46 | Qwell | they never share? |
| 07:21.52 | benjk | ah the Blue&White |
| 07:21.54 | Qwell | not even if you have like 8 pci cards? |
| 07:21.54 | marc32422 | i need a switch for every single context??? |
| 07:22.00 | Qwell | marc32422: only if you want it to work |
| 07:22.09 | twisted | Qwell, find me an old PM with 8 pci slots |
| 07:22.11 | twisted | i'd LOVE to own one |
| 07:22.16 | marc32422 | what if i have 50 contexts. |
| 07:22.20 | benjk | I would like to see how you manage to stuff 8 PCI cards into a case with only 3 PCI slots |
| 07:22.21 | asterboy | man I'm sold on powermac if thats what it does with IRQs |
| 07:22.30 | Qwell | twisted: dunno, do they exist? :p |
| 07:22.33 | marc32422 | i am creating contexts dynamically through web. |
| 07:22.36 | Qwell | marc32422: Then switch each one |
| 07:22.40 | asterboy | benjk, how many pci slots in the http://cgi.ebay.com/PS-Apple-Macintosh-PowerMac-G3-Mac-Computer-M5183_W0QQitemZ5840364281QQcategoryZ14911QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 07:22.43 | asterboy | oops |
| 07:22.52 | asterboy | M5183 |
| 07:23.03 | twisted | it LOOKS like 4 |
| 07:23.12 | benjk | most PCI Macs are 3 o4 4 slots, the only one I know of which had more was the 9600 series |
| 07:23.29 | Qwell | it had 6, right? |
| 07:23.31 | twisted | 9600 had what, 6? |
| 07:23.33 | marc32422 | qwell-- switch has to be in extensions.conf file. |
| 07:23.35 | Qwell | replace my previous question with 6 |
| 07:23.37 | benjk | some had 5 some 6 |
| 07:23.44 | asterboy | 6 is great. |
| 07:23.46 | Qwell | Are there still not issues with 6 slots? |
| 07:23.53 | benjk | no |
| 07:24.05 | asterboy | are lan and video onboard? |
| 07:24.06 | Qwell | no there are not issues, or no there are? |
| 07:24.11 | marc32422 | can you have switch/realtime for all contexts? |
| 07:24.14 | benjk | You probably know Nicolas Gudino, the author of Flash Operator Panel |
| 07:24.16 | Qwell | marc32422: sure |
| 07:24.19 | twisted | i'm gonna drink more water and go to bed |
| 07:24.33 | benjk | he runs 5 or 6 cards in a 9600 for his companies Asterisk PBX |
| 07:24.37 | marc32422 | without defining it in every single context in extensions.conf |
| 07:24.38 | asterboy | drinking water will counter those bed spins. |
| 07:24.45 | Qwell | marc32422: no |
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| 07:25.09 | benjk | no there are no IRQ issues |
| 07:25.53 | benjk | twisted: any particular reason for the water? |
| 07:26.05 | Qwell | twisted: bread...bread rocks |
| 07:26.08 | asterboy | water is the best way to counter hang overs |
| 07:26.10 | Qwell | soaks it all up |
| 07:26.20 | benjk | ah |
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| 07:26.30 | benjk | I didn;'t know he had a hangover |
| 07:26.57 | benjk | Actually that reminds me of a funny story a colleague of mine told me many years ago |
| 07:27.04 | asterboy | alcahol is a scavenger of water...the effects on the brain are ... that green in the gills feeling. |
| 07:27.12 | benjk | he used to work as a photographer on a russian cruising ship |
| 07:27.26 | benjk | and they used to get badly drunk on Vodka |
| 07:27.39 | benjk | and some of it was almost like syrup |
| 07:27.58 | benjk | and he said that you shouldn't drink any water the next day |
| 07:28.40 | benjk | because the watter would dissolve the syrup which still had lots of alcohol in it and the result would be that you would get drunk again |
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| 07:29.35 | Qwell | god that would suck |
| 07:30.06 | benjk | what? getting drunk from drinking water? :-) |
| 07:30.11 | Qwell | yes |
| 07:30.18 | Qwell | would be a cool bar trick though |
| 07:30.19 | benjk | some people might find it encouraging :-) |
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| 07:35.20 | asterboy | night guys, thanks for the help...I'll get my mac fxo gate for peanuts yet. |
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| 07:38.11 | benjk | wonder where you will get those FXS ports from at that price |
| 07:38.26 | benjk | also, don't expect too much from those modem cards |
| 07:39.17 | benjk | the Chinese manufacturers are now using chips that didn't make it through quality control when they were first produced years ago (yes, it seems they don't throw anything away in China) |
| 07:40.03 | benjk | so if you are unlucky, you end up with a bunch of modem cards with very bad chipsets |
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| 07:40.39 | trixter | oh yeah that reminds me I need to work on unlocking the mot vt1000 from vonage.. forgot all about that |
| 07:40.45 | trixter | add that to the list of crap I dont have time for |
| 07:40.54 | *** join/#asterisk [hC] (n=hardcore@S0106000e9b96114f.vf.shawcable.net) |
| 07:40.55 | trixter | I am really close though |
| 07:41.21 | trixter | benjk: odds are the card he is talking about is like the one I got my parents for $17, it works well infact |
| 07:41.31 | trixter | off ebay $17 to my door |
| 07:42.03 | trixter | others have bought from the same guy and had the same experience with me |
| 07:42.08 | [hC] | soo.... who has the guts to try to understand this iax2 bug i found :) |
| 07:42.17 | Qwell | [hC]: go for it |
| 07:42.18 | trixter | [hC]: which one? |
| 07:42.25 | benjk | sure, I am not saying all those cards are bad |
| 07:42.28 | Qwell | trixter: nkans? |
| 07:42.49 | trixter | the one that lets anyone brute force iax2 passwords more easily or the one that lets people access your asterisk box via iax2 trivially ... oh wait those are features silly me |
| 07:42.49 | [hC] | okay... with notransfer=yes enabled on all peers involved, so it wont try to do a native transfer... |
| 07:42.58 | trixter | Qwell: sounds right |
| 07:43.06 | benjk | I am saying that as supplies get scarcer (becuase the chipsets are not being manufactured anymore) the chance that you get bad chips will increase |
| 07:43.09 | [hC] | I have two * boxes, lets call them Server and Client |
| 07:43.19 | [hC] | Server has a PRI attached (not that it matters in this demonstration) |
| 07:43.54 | [hC] | So, call comes in to Server, goes via IAX2 to client. Client's dial plan for some reason needs to forward the call back to Server, and from there server sends it out someplace else again (PRI for the sake of simplicity) |
| 07:44.06 | [hC] | so we have IAX from server to client, and client back to server again |
| 07:44.37 | [hC] | a good chunk of the time, I get one way audio. Yet sometimes, it seems to work just fine |
| 07:44.54 | [hC] | If i replace either of those connections with sip, so IAX to client, and sip back to server |
| 07:44.57 | *** join/#asterisk UlbabraB (n=caplaz@host241-43.pool8172.interbusiness.it) |
| 07:45.03 | [hC] | or vice versa, or sip all the way thru, it works pefectly fine. |
| 07:45.16 | [hC] | it SEEMS to be some sort of native bridging error happening on server |
| 07:45.20 | [hC] | all boxes running 1.2.1 |
| 07:45.29 | Qwell | [hC]: I think that might be known |
| 07:45.33 | [hC] | happens in cvs head from sep1 to dec1 as well. |
| 07:45.55 | [hC] | the shitty thing is it doesnt seem to be reproducable. At least by my simple testing. |
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| 07:47.17 | [hC] | Qwell: and i dont suppose there's any known workaround? I mean that is a pretty solid show stopper. Im going to have to switch to SIP across the board now |
| 07:47.27 | bsdfreak | hi |
| 07:47.30 | Qwell | [hC]: not sure |
| 07:47.56 | benjk | have you tried the same config on 1.0.x ? |
| 07:48.14 | bsdfreak | just upgraded my sipura 300 firmware to 2.0.13 and it stopped functioning for outgoing calls and pstn routed calls to * |
| 07:48.22 | bsdfreak | but incoming works fine |
| 07:48.34 | bsdfreak | anyone seen that? |
| 07:49.13 | [hC] | benjk: nope, i havent. |
| 07:49.28 | benjk | I would try to do that |
| 07:49.55 | benjk | also, I am not sure why you don't want a transfer and cut out the hairpin |
| 07:49.58 | bsdfreak | heh. |
| 07:50.44 | [hC] | well, because the transfer code had a lot of one way audio issues about 5 months ago in cvs, and it was killing me, so i turned it off to solve THAT problem. also, it screws up CDR's since the setup data is cut out as well |
| 07:51.20 | benjk | I don't think that transfer from a hairpin would cause any issues |
| 07:51.46 | [hC] | well the way our model is setup we have a ton of client boxes that all connect to routing servers, and they decide where to shift calls |
| 07:51.57 | [hC] | so to have transfers enabled was great for bandwidth and unnecessary hops |
| 07:52.06 | bsdfreak | heh. |
| 07:52.10 | [hC] | but it did a number on cdr records, which screwed up billing, and also had a ton of one way audio issues |
| 07:52.13 | benjk | if you are concerned about not letting any *other* transfers happen, then you may want to change the code so that it will ignore "notransfer=yes" if the route is A-B-A |
| 07:52.14 | [hC] | before and after the transfer, randomly |
| 07:52.36 | [hC] | ultimately i need to change my call forwarding code so that it doesnt have to go to B to realize it needs to come back to A |
| 07:52.41 | [hC] | and just be more efficient that way |
| 07:52.55 | [hC] | but I was hoping to figure out the problem with IAX so that it didnt have to happen again either way. |
| 07:52.59 | [hC] | cause its definitely a bug. |
| 07:53.24 | benjk | yeah that route check seems to be a good approach |
| 07:54.24 | benjk | I am sure it is a bug |
| 07:54.33 | [hC] | yup... it will get done soon enough.. i guess i was just really hoping that i could use IAX since its supposed to be designed to do this sort of thing, and to have a bug like this cuase me to have to switch to SIP for the short term fix... sucks :/ |
| 07:54.43 | benjk | it would help though if you can show that the same config works on 1.0.x |
| 07:54.57 | [hC] | yeah. I'll definitely give it a whirl and see what i can come up with |
| 07:55.03 | benjk | because that will get attention and make sure that the bug is taken seriously |
| 07:55.18 | [hC] | or even try to turn on insane debugging to show a difference between one that worked and one that did not. |
| 07:55.40 | benjk | or that, yes |
| 07:55.47 | trixter | heh someone brought up the mysql commercial license thing, which isnt valid if its a gpl product, which is what mysql claims. if you modify the gpl its no longer the gpl (you can modify but that makes it a modified gpl not the gpl itself) |
| 07:56.03 | [hC] | i tried scouring the default logging levels in 'full' but found no difference. |
| 07:56.04 | Qwell | trixter: dual licensing is VERY valid. |
| 07:56.10 | Qwell | In fact, asterisk is dual licensed |
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| 07:56.34 | benjk | in any event, I think that there should be an option for "notransfer" to allow a transfer in special cases like this one even though it is not allowed in ordinary cases |
| 07:57.06 | benjk | the naming of the parameter is messy though |
| 07:57.28 | [hC] | yeah, for sure. |
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| 07:57.42 | steff | hi all |
| 07:57.52 | [hC] | the code surrounding native bridging and native transfers in iax seems to be very susceptible to one way audio failures... |
| 07:57.55 | benjk | if it was called "transfer" you could easily do "transfer=never", "transfer=hairpin-only" etc |
| 07:58.06 | [hC] | it would be nice if it was addressed and maybe redone or something |
| 07:58.21 | benjk | you may want to drop a line to Ed Guy |
| 07:58.22 | [hC] | I wish i was a programmer not a network engineer :) |
| 07:58.43 | benjk | he is driving the IAX IETF standardisation effort |
| 07:58.54 | [hC] | Ah, fantastic |
| 07:59.22 | benjk | if this sort of scenario would get a defined behaviou in the RFC, then you can bet that Asterisk will have to follow ;-) |
| 07:59.37 | benjk | so far, IAX is defined by what Asterisk does |
| 07:59.44 | benjk | Ed's work will change that |
| 07:59.54 | [hC] | Yeah. That would be nice. |
| 07:59.56 | benjk | Asterisk will have to follow what the IAX RFC says |
| 08:00.21 | benjk | but for that to happen, stuff like what you described here needs to be fed to Ed Guy |
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| 08:00.40 | [hC] | I'll get in touch with him and explain the issue i face now. Id love to try to get some of the maintainers involved in figuring this out, but since i really dont have any concrete 'here, look at this' its a hard sell. :P |
| 08:01.45 | bsdfreak | heh |
| 08:01.54 | benjk | well, its less of a hard sell to somebody who is working on an RFC than to those folks who write the code ;-) |
| 08:02.39 | [hC] | hah. true, true. |
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| 08:07.23 | litage | does it matter which version of gcc is used to compile asterisk? |
| 08:07.40 | Qwell | litage: sorta, yeah |
| 08:07.53 | Qwell | I mean, you wouldn't use 2.5 |
| 08:08.16 | litage | Qwell: does it matter whethether you use 3.3 or 3.4? |
| 08:08.26 | Qwell | shouldn't |
| 08:08.31 | litage | k |
| 08:09.27 | marc32422 | k |
| 08:12.57 | trixter | Qwell trixter: dual licensing is VERY valid. -- its not over dual lciensing its over saying that the gpl only applies to non-commercial uses which mysql does claim |
| 08:13.21 | trixter | they state that if you use mysql in any commercial product, include it in any commercial product or cause a customer to install it to use your commercial product you have to buy a commercial license |
| 08:13.31 | Qwell | yes, still valid |
| 08:13.33 | trixter | but mysql is Ver 2 of the GPL -- they cant legally claim that |
| 08:13.35 | trixter | no its not |
| 08:13.40 | Qwell | Nothing gives you the right to use software, except a license |
| 08:13.44 | trixter | the gpl doesnt put non-commercial vs commercial uses on gpled software |
| 08:13.53 | Qwell | no, but copyright most certainly can |
| 08:13.54 | trixter | right and the lciense gives you the right to use and distribute |
| 08:14.00 | Qwell | gpl does NOT override copyright. |
| 08:14.11 | trixter | they cant say that the license is limited more than the gpl allows - re sec 7 the gpl |
| 08:14.14 | Qwell | This isn't the forum for this argument. |
| 08:14.16 | dokhench | possession is 9/10's. |
| 08:14.19 | Qwell | Can't? no |
| 08:14.36 | trixter | they can do a dual lciense but if you get GPLed code they cant force more restrictions on you, as in if you use it commercially you have to pay mysql money |
| 08:14.39 | trixter | that violates the gpl itself |
| 08:15.04 | trixter | they cant release under the gpl with that clause, but they specifically selected the gpl and state that mysql is 100% gpl and deny any software patents on it |
| 08:15.06 | marc32422 | i need to have switch/realtime for all contexts... using * realtime |
| 08:15.09 | Qwell | trixter: call the lawyers for mysql. I can put you in touch with them if you'd like. I'm sure they'll be happy to explain it to you. |
| 08:15.26 | trixter | section 7 prohibits them from placing extra conditions on the gpl |
| 08:15.47 | trixter | if they didnt want the terms of the gpl they shouldnt have selected the gpl as their license |
| 08:15.52 | trixter | for the open source version anyway |
| 08:15.59 | Qwell | trixter: This has been explained countless times, and, as I said, this isn't the forum for this discussion |
| 08:16.02 | marc32422 | for example, a context created in mysql, is not active till switch/realtime is placed in extensions.conf |
| 08:16.10 | trixter | no it was on asterisk-biz |
| 08:16.11 | Qwell | marc32422: yes, I told you that an hour ago |
| 08:16.12 | marc32422 | how do i avoid this? |
| 08:16.49 | trixter | but anyway, the gpl doesnt allow that mysql is wrong you cant release under the gpl and then say 'if you want to use this commerically you have to pay money' becuase the gpl section 2 doesnt have that on its distribution clause |
| 08:17.05 | Qwell | trixter: copyright does. enough |
| 08:17.13 | marc32422 | qwell-- you mentionned that the switch/realtime has to be placed in every context in extensions.conf. that is not useful. |
| 08:17.27 | Qwell | NOTHING besides the license I give you, allows you to use my software. If I don't give you a license (the GPL)...guess what? |
| 08:17.32 | trixter | yes they own the copyright and are entitled to have dual lciensing however if I obtain it and follow the terms of the gpl they cant revoke it after I get it |
| 08:17.42 | trixter | which is in effect what they are saying is that they can revoke the gpl at will for anyone |
| 08:17.57 | trixter | but if you do give me a gpl license can you revoke it later? no |
| 08:18.08 | trixter | can you set terms in addition to the gpl that is more restrictive? under section 7 no |
| 08:18.20 | trixter | can you refuse to let me distribute under the gpl? according to section 2 no |
| 08:18.24 | Qwell | http://www.mysql.com/company/legal/licensing/ |
| 08:18.31 | Qwell | read it, and shut it. Thanks. :) |
| 08:18.32 | trixter | so if *you* choose the gpl you cant later change your mind |
| 08:18.34 | trixter | yes I know what they say |
| 08:18.36 | trixter | they are wrong |
| 08:18.37 | benjk | your client can link mysql to whatever they want if they do it by themselves, no restriction to the contrary is valid under the GPL |
| 08:18.44 | trixter | I am giving you SPECIFIC information about why they are wrong |
| 08:18.48 | trixter | you refuse to read and understand |
| 08:18.53 | trixter | something about learning |
| 08:18.53 | Qwell | "If you distribute a proprietary application in any way, and you are not licensing and distributing your source code under GPL, you need to purchase a commercial license of MySQL" |
| 08:18.54 | trixter | I dont know |
| 08:18.57 | Qwell | End of discussion. |
| 08:19.07 | trixter | they cant do that |
| 08:19.08 | Qwell | You're wrong. Please stop. |
| 08:19.10 | trixter | read the gpl |
| 08:19.15 | trixter | read the FSF gpl faq on gnu.org |
| 08:19.21 | trixter | ask the FSF if that is valid under the gpl |
| 08:19.34 | trixter | remember its gpled so that license is binding if that is the one under which you receive the software |
| 08:19.45 | trixter | so since you are wrong and refuse to accept iut you should do your homework |
| 08:19.51 | Qwell | You're making an ass of yourself. |
| 08:19.52 | benjk | nobody can prevent you client from linking your closed source product to GPLed mysql |
| 08:19.54 | trixter | I gave you specific gpl references to where you are wrong |
| 08:19.59 | trixter | you are proving that you are clueless |
| 08:20.02 | Qwell | GPL is viral |
| 08:20.04 | trixter | read section 2 and 7 of the gpl |
| 08:20.05 | dokhench | lay it to rest guys. agree to disagree? |
| 08:20.05 | trixter | please |
| 08:20.07 | trixter | yes it is |
| 08:20.09 | trixter | and I dont like the gpl |
| 08:20.23 | Qwell | If you do NOT license YOUR code as GPL, Then you CANNOT use MY code for yours. |
| 08:20.34 | trixter | but in this case you cant release something under the gpl then say 'if you want to use this on a computer that uses electricity you have to pay me $1B' becuase the gpl doesnt allow that as per sec 7 of the gpl |
| 08:20.40 | Qwell | That is all there is to it. |
| 08:20.41 | trixter | they cant force that |
| 08:20.55 | Qwell | ignored. You're a tool/fool. |
| 08:20.58 | trixter | because I can use a gpl app and use a gpl app without everything being gpled |
| 08:21.05 | trixter | yes you are a fool you have proven that |
| 08:21.18 | trixter | you really should read section 2 and section 7 of the gpl |
| 08:21.27 | benjk | but the MySQL right holders cannot forbid your client from linking their GPLed stuff to a non-GPL software |
| 08:21.37 | benjk | aslong as they don't redistribute they can do that |
| 08:21.43 | trixter | its not linking |
| 08:21.54 | benjk | even embedding |
| 08:22.06 | benjk | if you don't redistribute you can do whatever you want |
| 08:22.16 | trixter | lets say I have a php script that uses mysql, and its not gpled they cant force me to pay for a commercial license |
| 08:22.28 | Qwell | b) You must cause any work that you distribute or publish, that in whole or in part contains or is derived from the Program or any part thereof, to be licensed as a whole at no charge to all third parties under the terms of this License. |
| 08:22.41 | trixter | well mysql even claims that iuf I force a user to install mysql before installing my app I need a commercial license |
| 08:22.49 | trixter | becuase its 100% gpled so I have to get a commercial license |
| 08:22.51 | trixter | which is insane |
| 08:23.01 | benjk | precisely |
| 08:23.06 | benjk | thats what I meant |
| 08:23.24 | benjk | if youre client does this bythemselves then it isn't redistribution so they can do it |
| 08:23.46 | Qwell | internal distribution == distribution |
| 08:23.51 | benjk | no |
| 08:23.52 | trixter | not really |
| 08:23.58 | trixter | not legally under the gpl anyway |
| 08:24.01 | trixter | read section 2 |
| 08:24.06 | benjk | only if you have non-employees working with the stuff |
| 08:24.37 | benjk | if you hire a contractor to do the modifications for you, then it becomes distribution |
| 08:24.46 | benjk | if you have an employee do it, then its not |
| 08:24.58 | trixter | a contractor working on your computers on your timeclock isnt distribution |
| 08:25.03 | benjk | if the users are all employees, same thing |
| 08:25.11 | trixter | if that were the case then contractors would be illegal because all commercial software would be 'distributed' |
| 08:25.14 | trixter | and that isnt the case |
| 08:25.31 | benjk | only if the contract you have with that contract makes him hired labour |
| 08:25.31 | Qwell | enough, for christs sake, take it elsewhere |
| 08:25.41 | trixter | however if you give the contractor a full copy of the product to work on it is questionable |
| 08:25.42 | benjk | and he doesn't have any claim to the IP he creates |
| 08:26.06 | trixter | benjk: that is the default in america unless the contract states he has the right |
| 08:26.18 | trixter | otherwise IP created by employees would be their property as well |
| 08:26.35 | benjk | in any event, it is clear cut with employees, and it can be a little more tricky with contractors |
| 08:27.06 | trixter | yeah, h owever generally its not distribution if you hire a contractor to work on a product for you and you give him all the 3rd party stuff you bought ... |
| 08:27.08 | benjk | in respect of what constitutes distribution |
| 08:27.18 | iDunno | MySQL has a freaky arsed licence. |
| 08:27.31 | iDunno | it's not quite GPL, fwicr ;) |
| 08:27.36 | trixter | idunno: nah they jsut have addons to the gpl that are in vioaltion of section 7 of the gpl :P |
| 08:27.56 | iDunno | trixter: yes - see previous comment - IT'S BROKEN. |
| 08:28.00 | trixter | well see it is gpl but they add on extra stuff that borders on the rico extortion statute (as part of the hobbs act) |
| 08:28.06 | iDunno | and MySQL is a festering pile of shite, anyways. |
| 08:28.13 | benjk | I dont know for the rest of the MySQL license, but that clause that says you cannot have your client link your product to MySQL without paying for a commercial license, that clause is not valid |
| 08:28.35 | trixter | they claim on their site its 100% gpled code which grants you certain rights, however I do agree with mysql in one regard, the gpl can be quite restrictive :P |
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| 08:28.59 | iDunno | it breaks the other rules in it's licence, mysql shouldn't even be distributed, it needs to just die. |
| 08:29.33 | trixter | well I dunno about that .. I will never say something shouldnt be distributed regardless of how bad it is |
| 08:29.49 | iDunno | and if they've got such a problem with the GPL, there's nothing stopping them from making it BSD... oh, except of course that that then stops then from being the only ones that can make a commercial version available. |
| 08:29.57 | trixter | I do howver think the FSF needs to go after mysql for abusing the gpl in a sco-like way - extorting payments from people for fear of a lawsuit |
| 08:30.15 | benjk | trixter: if it is Microsoft I would always say soimething like that ;-) |
| 08:30.31 | trixter | and the feds needs to investigate them for violating the rico extortion statute (fear of economic harm - ie lawsuit is a valid hook see US v Sturm a supreme court case) |
| 08:30.44 | trixter | and if they get em on the rico stuff they can seize everything mysql has |
| 08:30.49 | trixter | then there is only the gpled version :P |
| 08:30.57 | iDunno | if people are making commercial software products and they need a database, they link against more than one instead ;) |
| 08:31.25 | benjk | what if you use ODBC between your product and MySQL ? |
| 08:31.25 | trixter | well I take great offense to saying the gpl covers a php script that uses mysql as a database backend |
| 08:31.45 | iDunno | benjk: corner case - they can't prove *ANYTHING* ;) |
| 08:31.48 | trixter | and mysql has *NEVER* gone to court over that either, although they did go after postgress for distributing mysql code in binary only formats or something like that |
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| 08:32.15 | iDunno | anyways - this is #asterisk... |
| 08:32.24 | iDunno | how's everyones phones this fine morning? |
| 08:32.26 | benjk | well, I personally find people shoudl just use postgres instead |
| 08:32.36 | iDunno | benjk: agreed :) |
| 08:32.38 | trixter | benjk: they wouldnt have a hope of a claim for that, however they may still try to say that you require mysql or something weird to try to get $$ out of people, the reality is that if its gpled you cant make people pay to distribute it |
| 08:32.56 | trixter | even though qwell thinks that if its gpled the owner can easily charge people for distribution of the software |
| 08:33.11 | trixter | personally stallman doesnt agree with qwell but I guess qwell knows better |
| 08:33.19 | trixter | he said so on irc! |
| 08:33.24 | benjk | you can charge for distributing GPL software, that;'s not a problem |
| 08:33.40 | trixter | no I meant the copyright holder gets paid for the distribution |
| 08:33.47 | trixter | which is what qwell specifically was saying can happen |
| 08:33.55 | benjk | you just cant force them to not redistribute it free of charge afterwards |
| 08:33.57 | trixter | its like digium charging for every gpled distribution of asterisk, they cant do that |
| 08:34.17 | iDunno | you can charge for the distribution of software that is "GPL'd" |
| 08:34.18 | trixter | benjk: mysql can, ask qwell !!! he said they can force you to pay mysql if you distro it! |
| 08:34.28 | iDunno | it kinda breaks the spirit of the licence, but hey. |
| 08:34.29 | trixter | that isnt what I was saying |
| 08:34.37 | trixter | you guys really should scroll up to get a context for it |
| 08:34.48 | iDunno | and it only takes one of the people that recieves it to then make it available. |
| 08:34.54 | benjk | iDunno: I think he means that the original right holder cannot collect a fee everything a copy is redistributed |
| 08:34.57 | trixter | the whole thing that got qwells panties in a bunch was me saying mysql cant force you to pay mysql when you distro mysql |
| 08:35.03 | benjk | evertime |
| 08:35.07 | benjk | damn |
| 08:35.10 | benjk | every time |
| 08:35.11 | iDunno | benjk: ahh - yes, that's true. |
| 08:35.26 | trixter | yes that is what the whole discussion was over |
| 08:35.37 | trixter | section 2 forbids that and section 7 forbids adding new restrictions to the gpl |
| 08:35.48 | benjk | also, you can redistribute MySQL and charge for it |
| 08:35.50 | trixter | something qwell didnt want to read or understand |
| 08:36.00 | benjk | if people are willing to pay you, that's fine |
| 08:36.09 | trixter | that is a later section, I was talking about mysqls 'pay us or die' policy |
| 08:36.23 | benjk | of course you have to give them all the sources to what you are redistributing |
| 08:36.32 | trixter | it was a limited scope comment made about a specific conversation that happened here a brief time ago and not a general comment |
| 08:36.48 | benjk | so, they can then turn around and redistribute it themselves, either free of charge, or for a charge |
| 08:37.03 | iDunno | gotta love MySQL, though - for it is fast... but it might drop your data off the face of the planet if it has a bad second or 2 |
| 08:37.49 | benjk | it generally gives me a bad taste already when something is called My<blah> |
| 08:38.27 | benjk | MyDocuments => Windoze, *cough* *vomit* |
| 08:39.33 | iDunno | heh |
| 08:40.12 | trixter | MyIpod :P |
| 08:40.29 | trixter | actually the worst case for MY* is myspace |
| 08:40.30 | benjk | where did you see that? |
| 08:40.37 | trixter | I JUST SAW IT ON IRC! |
| 08:40.39 | trixter | right here infact |
| 08:40.42 | trixter | seconds ago |
| 08:40.43 | trixter | :P |
| 08:40.46 | benjk | :-) |
| 08:41.13 | benjk | somebody should make a MySQL clone and call it OurSQL |
| 08:41.21 | trixter | YourSQL |
| 08:41.27 | trixter | sql for the masses |
| 08:41.30 | benjk | if anything, it shoudl be "Our" |
| 08:41.45 | trixter | fork mysql and release it under a fork and poof instantly all the mysql commercial crap goes away anyway |
| 08:41.51 | trixter | even if its 100% identical code |
| 08:41.56 | trixter | because the gpl does allow forks |
| 08:42.19 | trixter | maybe sed -e s/My/Your/g |
| 08:42.42 | benjk | no s/My/Our |
| 08:42.53 | trixter | but its not mine so how can it be ours? |
| 08:43.05 | benjk | its ours once we fork it ;-) |
| 08:43.10 | trixter | ha |
| 08:43.25 | trixter | I will bring that up if anyone replies on asterisk-biz about mysql |
| 08:43.28 | benjk | otherwise it would have to be TheirSQL |
| 08:43.35 | trixter | which was what started all this a post to asterisk-biz |
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| 08:44.41 | lme | cool |
| 08:44.48 | benjk | then again, I wouldn't want to fork TheirSQL, I'd rather use Postgres |
| 08:44.55 | lme | maybe we should see some asterisk-xp |
| 08:45.10 | benjk | what's the p for? |
| 08:45.51 | lme | the same that for windows |
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| 08:46.07 | Qwell | benjk: no...that wouldn't work. Whoever you gave the code to, would still be bound by the GPL, which says you can't use non open source software with it |
| 08:46.19 | Qwell | being that it's viral and all |
| 08:46.26 | Qwell | fork it 500 times if you'd like...you're still stuck |
| 08:46.33 | benjk | yeah of course it would be a pure GPL fork, no doubt |
| 08:46.40 | Qwell | mysql is pure gpl |
| 08:46.57 | benjk | the point was about the name though |
| 08:46.59 | bsdfreak | hah |
| 08:47.07 | benjk | turn MySQL into OurSQL |
| 08:47.20 | Qwell | yeah, you'd have to change the name, if you forked |
| 08:47.28 | Qwell | You most certainly couldn't call your fork MySQL. ;] |
| 08:47.50 | benjk | we looked at it the other way round ;-) |
| 08:47.57 | trixter | no the gpl states you cant force people to pay the copyright holders for use or distribution - mysql claims that so they cant be pure gpl like qwell claims but if he does claim that he proved himself an idiot by insisting earlier that they could force people to pay |
| 08:48.07 | benjk | we concluded that if you wanted to call it OurSQL, then you;'d have to fork it ;-) |
| 08:48.18 | trixter | and again there is a BIG difference between linking and all that and using the program |
| 08:48.45 | Juggie | mysql cannot force you to pay to use their code |
| 08:48.46 | trixter | what mysql claims are their requirements for commercial lciense would be like digium saying if you sell calls/services through asterisk you have to buy a commercial license, they cant do that either, nor can mysql |
| 08:48.48 | Juggie | because its gpl |
| 08:48.52 | benjk | well, it depends what you mean by "pure GPL" |
| 08:48.57 | trixter | Juggie: not according to qwell |
| 08:49.04 | trixter | he was insisting for several minutes they could do that |
| 08:49.08 | Juggie | trixter, they can try, but there is no legal requirement |
| 08:49.11 | benjk | I tend to use the term for something that is GPL and GPL only, not dual licensed |
| 08:49.28 | trixter | and refused to read the gpl section 2 and 7 instead insisting I was an idiot for suggesting he read section 2 and 7 which cover that specifically |
| 08:49.39 | benjk | so according to my use of the term, MySQL would not be pure GPL because it is dual licensed |
| 08:50.01 | benjk | but other people may have other definitions for what "pure GPL" means |
| 08:50.17 | trixter | hell most people have a definition of what 'gpl' means :P |
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| 08:50.48 | Juggie | mysqlab claims they own the copywright toALL the code |
| 08:50.58 | Juggie | which then permits them to sell it to you in a non gpl state |
| 08:51.00 | Qwell | They do. As does asterisk. |
| 08:51.02 | trixter | and they would under the gpl that isnt in violation of the gpl |
| 08:51.03 | Juggie | that being said |
| 08:51.06 | trixter | yes it does |
| 08:51.13 | Juggie | they cant stop you from doing what you want with the gpl version |
| 08:51.20 | Qwell | EXCEPT |
| 08:51.21 | trixter | but if they give it out under the gpl they cant say 'because we dont like you you have to pay us to use our product' |
| 08:51.26 | Qwell | violating the GPL |
| 08:51.34 | trixter | and its only a violation if you distribute |
| 08:51.36 | Qwell | which clearly states, that you can't use proprietary apps with it. |
| 08:51.38 | trixter | use in house isnt a violation |
| 08:51.39 | benjk | I presume MySQL ask for disclaimers from contributors then, in which case, yes, they'd have those rights |
| 08:52.07 | Qwell | if mysql were lgpl, it might be a different story |
| 08:52.14 | trixter | section 7 specifically forbids additional restrictions to the gpl |
| 08:52.19 | Qwell | but is isn't, so the whole argument is moot |
| 08:52.19 | Juggie | to use code in house isnt breaking the gpl |
| 08:52.28 | Juggie | trixter, but they arnt making restrictions to the GPL |
| 08:52.35 | Qwell | mysql does NOT state that all commercials apps MUST use the commercial license |
| 08:52.39 | benjk | Juggie: they do |
| 08:52.42 | Juggie | when you buy the product from them, they sell it to you as another license entirely |
| 08:52.47 | trixter | and forcing a commercial license on people if they use mysql for *any* commercial purpose (note this goes beyond just linking) that is an additional restriction |
| 08:52.50 | Juggie | it is NON gpl'ed code when you buy it |
| 08:52.58 | Juggie | it is the mysql license |
| 08:53.05 | Juggie | or whatever their commercial license is |
| 08:53.07 | Juggie | called |
| 08:53.09 | benjk | they say you cannot have your client link or embed MySQL with/in non-GPL software |
| 08:53.09 | Qwell | If you distribute a proprietary application in any way, and you are not licensing and distributing your source code under GPL, you need to purchase a commercial license of MySQL |
| 08:53.11 | Qwell | I call bullshit |
| 08:53.22 | Qwell | That does NOT say "all commercial apps" |
| 08:53.26 | Juggie | becuase they OWN the copywright, they can distrubute it under whatever licenses they want |
| 08:53.34 | Juggie | hence, they have a GPL version with said restrictions |
| 08:53.35 | benjk | that part is clearly a restriction in addition to the restriction the GPL imposes |
| 08:53.35 | Qwell | It gives a very clear distinction...just as the GPL says. |
| 08:53.44 | Qwell | THE GPL FORBIDS THAT! |
| 08:53.47 | Juggie | and if you pay, they will sell you code with another less restrictive license. |
| 08:53.56 | Qwell | That isn't something mysql added |
| 08:54.04 | Juggie | the GPL forbids making restrictions to code which has the GPL |
| 08:54.13 | Juggie | if you buy the code, it is NO LONGER GPL CODE |
| 08:54.16 | Juggie | it is anotherl icense |
| 08:54.26 | benjk | yes, indeed. but they added such a restriction |
| 08:54.29 | Qwell | Juggie: They're saying that mysql forces you to buy the commercial license, if you use it commercially |
| 08:54.42 | Juggie | mysql wants you |
| 08:54.48 | Juggie | but they have no legal ground to stand on |
| 08:54.52 | Qwell | which is completely untrue. They say "if you use this GPL software with proprietary apps...screw off, you can't." |
| 08:54.53 | benjk | precisely |
| 08:54.57 | Qwell | Which, the GPL itself says. Section 2b |
| 08:55.04 | Juggie | example... |
| 08:55.08 | Juggie | say i write a win32 app |
| 08:55.11 | Juggie | i want to distribute |
| 08:55.15 | Juggie | but source only |
| 08:55.17 | benjk | the GPL restrictions only apply to distribution |
| 08:55.21 | trixter | The Commercial License, which allows you to provide commercial software licenses to your customers or distribute MySQL-based applications. This is for organizations that do not want to release the source code for their applications as open source / free software; |
| 08:55.21 | Juggie | er. binary only |
| 08:55.24 | trixter | http://www.mysql.com/company/legal/licensing/index.html |
| 08:55.24 | Qwell | benjk: If you distribute a proprietary application in any way, and you are not licensing and distributing your source code under GPL, you need to purchase a commercial license of MySQL |
| 08:55.28 | trixter | ahem |
| 08:55.29 | benjk | so if you don't distribute, you can do what you want |
| 08:55.29 | Qwell | See that? |
| 08:55.32 | Qwell | distribution |
| 08:55.34 | [hC] | I heard juggie uses openpbx. |
| 08:55.36 | trixter | qwell cant read or something or refuses to |
| 08:55.38 | Qwell | THAT is from the MySQL site |
| 08:55.38 | Juggie | hah ;P |
| 08:55.46 | Qwell | from the same damn link you just posted |
| 08:56.03 | trixter | qwell alkso dnesnt realize that php isnt gpled |
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| 08:56.15 | Qwell | I couldn't give a shit less about php. :) |
| 08:56.17 | trixter | and so he doesnt talk about the exemption for php |
| 08:56.25 | trixter | which isnt really required |
| 08:56.26 | Qwell | exemptions are valid btw |
| 08:56.35 | Qwell | exceptions rather |
| 08:56.40 | newl | free beer, Qwell's shout! |
| 08:56.49 | Juggie | EXAMPLE: some company writes a closed source win32 app which connects to MYSQL.. it is ILLEGAL PER THE GPL for them to distribute this, WHY, because they compiled in the GPL mysql c/c++ library for connecting to mysql into their code, hence their code is infected w/ GPL code.... |
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| 08:56.56 | Qwell | Juggie: Thank you |
| 08:57.01 | freezer | hi |
| 08:57.06 | benjk | the point I am getting at is that MySQL say that you cannot tell your client that they should link or embed MySQL with your non-GPL software by themselves in order to get around distribution |
| 08:57.18 | Juggie | SOLUTION: mysqlAB owns the code, if you want they will sell you the entire code under a DIFFERENT license, which DOES NOT have the said restriction. |
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| 08:57.36 | benjk | that is clearly more restrictive than the GPL and therefore not allowed under the GPL terms |
| 08:57.36 | [hC] | hahah |
| 08:57.40 | [hC] | watchin the 40 year old virgin |
| 08:57.40 | trixter | So if you use MySQL with GPL-licensed software (or a license that is GPL-compatible) we encourage you to use the GPL license. For all other users of MySQL, we recommend that you purchase a MySQL commercial license |
| 08:57.44 | [hC] | at the chest hair waxin part. |
| 08:57.45 | [hC] | :) |
| 08:57.46 | trixter | that is off http://www.mysql.com/company/legal/licensing/faq.html |
| 08:57.50 | trixter | and again that is not true |
| 08:57.52 | Qwell | benjk: where does the GPL say you can link with it from a proprietary app? |
| 08:57.54 | [hC] | RooaoaaAaaaAHAAAA kellyclarkson! |
| 08:57.54 | [hC] | haha |
| 08:58.00 | trixter | according to the gpl it doesnt have to be the gpl license however it has to be compatible |
| 08:58.18 | benjk | Qwell, you can if you don't distribute |
| 08:58.28 | Qwell | I'm so over this stupid fucking conversation. |
| 08:58.30 | Juggie | benjk, your not getting it, that restriction is not added to the GPL license, its part of their own commercial license. |
| 08:58.42 | Qwell | It should have been ended a long time ago |
| 08:58.58 | benjk | but they cannot enforce their commerical license terms on users of the GPL version |
| 08:59.10 | Qwell | back to ignore |
| 08:59.16 | Qwell | Juggie: So, how's it going? |
| 08:59.16 | benjk | :-) |
| 08:59.21 | Juggie | no, they can only enforce GPL license terms |
| 08:59.35 | benjk | precisely |
| 08:59.44 | Juggie | if you run 1000 MYSQL servers connecting ONLY to php |
| 08:59.47 | Juggie | you dont have to do anything |
| 09:00.11 | Juggie | their license allows it |
| 09:00.21 | trixter | further to show qwell cant/wont read from mysql commercial-license page |
| 09:00.22 | trixter | If you are a private individual you are free to use MySQL software for your personal applications as long as you do not distribute them. If you distribute them, you must make a decision between the Commercial License and the GPL. |
| 09:00.35 | trixter | he insisted that distribution wasnt a hook that was required earlier |
| 09:00.41 | Qwell | quote me |
| 09:00.44 | Qwell | please fucking quote me |
| 09:00.49 | Qwell | show me where I said that |
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| 09:00.58 | Qwell | It's over. Fucking drop it. |
| 09:01.09 | trixter | awww proven wrong and you are having a tantrum |
| 09:01.12 | trixter | quite funny actually |
| 09:01.17 | Qwell | show me the quote |
| 09:01.20 | Qwell | prove it to me |
| 09:01.25 | trixter | you ask for a quote then realize you did say it so you want it droped quick |
| 09:01.28 | trixter | I see how it goes |
| 09:01.34 | Qwell | let's see it |
| 09:01.52 | trixter | well after so many hundreds of lines showing your ignorance it has gone off my scroll buffer |
| 09:01.59 | Qwell | I bet |
| 09:02.07 | benjk | its more or less down to the misunderstanding department |
| 09:02.11 | trixter | I can locate the exact quote if you buy my quote retrival commercial lciense though |
| 09:02.24 | trixter | yeah qwell misunderstood everything (as usual) and insisted he was right |
| 09:02.27 | trixter | goes idle |
| 09:02.30 | trixter | comes back then changes his story |
| 09:02.44 | benjk | :-D |
| 09:02.45 | Juggie | you guys are dip shits |
| 09:02.53 | Juggie | and you are talking out of your ass |
| 09:02.59 | benjk | this is rather funny |
| 09:03.19 | Juggie | if you understood licenseing as well as you think you do, you'd be a lawyer |
| 09:03.26 | Juggie | why dont you go sue sco |
| 09:03.33 | konfuzed | the only thing missing here is out of context comments by me |
| 09:03.35 | benjk | are you talking to me? |
| 09:03.42 | Juggie | i'm talking to you both. |
| 09:03.42 | benjk | :-D |
| 09:03.43 | konfuzed | and im speachless so later |
| 09:03.45 | Qwell | konfuzed: those are always fun |
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| 09:04.01 | benjk | now its getting hilarious |
| 09:04.01 | KeX_WorX | hi |
| 09:04.07 | trixter | I have been asked by many lawyers to be one but the pay for a lawyer where I live with less than 5 years experience is $35k/year |
| 09:04.08 | trixter | too low for me |
| 09:04.26 | Juggie | i guess bullshitting pays 45k/year |
| 09:04.34 | benjk | lol |
| 09:04.35 | Qwell | "Hi, you've never passed the bar or anything, or even studied to be a lawyer...wanna come work for us?" |
| 09:04.39 | KeX_WorX | any1 tried to encrypt the asterisk config files or the /etc/asterisk directory : ) |
| 09:04.53 | Qwell | KeX_WorX: proper permissions would solve that |
| 09:05.00 | trixter | Dec 12 00:24:27 Qwell internal distribution == distribution |
| 09:05.00 | benjk | Qwell, actually that can happen |
| 09:05.14 | Qwell | If asterisk runs as root, then only root needs to own the files |
| 09:05.15 | trixter | there is the quote where qwell basically states that distribution isnt required |
| 09:05.16 | Juggie | trixter, wrong, internal distribution !- distribution |
| 09:05.19 | benjk | I have recently been asked to work as a patent attorney, sort of |
| 09:05.27 | trixter | juggie that was a quote from qwell |
| 09:05.30 | Qwell | Juggie: I said that, and it was taken out of context. |
| 09:05.32 | [hC] | pizzwned. |
| 09:05.34 | benjk | and I can tell you I have no formal training for that |
| 09:05.35 | trixter | where he was basically trying to say distribution wasnt a clause |
| 09:05.40 | KeX_WorX | Qwell, I've to set up a box at a customer and i want to prevent stealing that from someone else. |
| 09:05.41 | trixter | that was his justification for it |
| 09:05.57 | Qwell | KeX_WorX: good luck. |
| 09:05.59 | trixter | and that is why he freaked out a few minutes ago and asked for it to be dropped right after asking for that quote |
| 09:06.08 | trixter | he remembered the conversation part where he argued that distribution wasnt required |
| 09:06.12 | benjk | Qwell, very dangerous topic |
| 09:06.25 | trixter | Dec 12 00:24:05 benjk if youre client does this bythemselves then it isn't redistribution so they can do it |
| 09:06.25 | trixter | Dec 12 00:24:27 Qwell internal distribution == distribution |
| 09:06.25 | trixter | Dec 12 00:24:32 benjk no |
| 09:06.27 | KeX_WorX | Qwell, gracias. you ever thought bout that? |
| 09:06.28 | trixter | there is your context |
| 09:06.31 | benjk | don't get trixter started on running Asterisk as root. hahaha |
| 09:06.53 | trixter | it wasnt taken out of context |
| 09:07.01 | trixter | qwell is just an idiot and a liar to boot |
| 09:07.23 | trixter | hy lie when there are logs? and everyone basically that is here now talking was here then and can check their own logs for those very statements? |
| 09:07.30 | benjk | trixter: come on, don't be nasty |
| 09:07.38 | trixter | but its so much fun |
| 09:07.48 | trixter | he is such an easy target on this stuff |
| 09:08.15 | benjk | if it is just fun, then there is no need to call people names |
| 09:08.27 | trixter | what name? that was a fact |
| 09:08.42 | trixter | he did lie when he said it was taken out of context, I proved it wasnt |
| 09:08.53 | trixter | so to say he lied isnt calling a name its stating a proven fact, he is a liar |
| 09:08.54 | benjk | he is a very civilised opponent |
| 09:09.16 | benjk | so no need for mud throwing |
| 09:09.30 | Qwell | trixter, benjk: Give me your email addresses. |
| 09:09.44 | Qwell | I'll email you pure fact, direct from the mouths of lawyers at both the FSF and MySQL |
| 09:10.02 | Qwell | (you'll have to give me time to get them to talk to me again, of course) |
| 09:10.05 | trixter | why you want to sign me up for spam? I dont like spam |
| 09:10.26 | trixter | ahh ok how about this.. hmm lemme go make an email address I can drop right after |
| 09:10.30 | Qwell | sure |
| 09:10.31 | benjk | forward it on directly to Eben Moglen, I can give you his email address if you want it |
| 09:10.44 | trixter | does this cover the internal use means distribution? |
| 09:10.54 | benjk | he will tear apart anything that says internal use means distribution |
| 09:11.00 | trixter | or was it over the fact that the gpl doesnt apply to certain entities? |
| 09:11.11 | Qwell | the latter |
| 09:11.13 | trixter | or perhaps the issuer of the gpl can at any time retroactively revoke the gpl? |
| 09:11.18 | Qwell | and that |
| 09:11.26 | trixter | you believe that? |
| 09:11.28 | trixter | they cant |
| 09:11.30 | Qwell | No |
| 09:11.35 | Qwell | You're wrong about it |
| 09:11.36 | trixter | once they release gpl they cant retroactively revoke the gpl |
| 09:11.44 | benjk | Qwell: but in any event, I do not agree with trixter's use of language, calling you names |
| 09:11.52 | Qwell | just an fyi though... |
| 09:11.59 | trixter | what language? I didnt use foul language like qwell |
| 09:12.00 | Qwell | I guarantee the responses will all say to read section 2b of the GPL |
| 09:12.25 | benjk | Well, I felt that idiot and liar was below the belt |
| 09:12.36 | benjk | I certainly wouldn;t like to be called that way |
| 09:12.37 | trixter | didnt include the profanity qwell used |
| 09:12.38 | Qwell | benjk: people are entitled to their opinion |
| 09:12.50 | benjk | did he? |
| 09:12.50 | Qwell | however, opinions don't mean a damn thing. |
| 09:12.55 | benjk | I didn't see that |
| 09:12.57 | trixter | idiot does have a certain legal definition, and according to my assessment of qwell based on his writings here he is an idiot |
| 09:13.02 | Qwell | yeah, I told you both to shut the fuck up. :) |
| 09:13.11 | Qwell | I'm profane. So be it. |
| 09:13.17 | trixter | yeah qwell started ranting a lot more profanity as soon as I proved him wrong |
| 09:13.25 | benjk | it may have a definition, but I wouldn't want to be called an idiot even if I was wrong |
| 09:13.40 | trixter | it was only after that I made my judgement as to him being an idiot and as for liar that is a proven fact he did lie thus he is a liar |
| 09:13.42 | benjk | there are better ways to disagree |
| 09:14.05 | benjk | well, that wasn't nice either |
| 09:14.10 | Qwell | There is still nobody in here that cares, and people are not getting help because of this conversation. |
| 09:14.22 | Qwell | As I said over an hour ago...enough |
| 09:14.22 | trixter | if however you want me to recant the idiot part I will recant the idiot part, however since he is a proven liar I cant recant qwells liar status |
| 09:14.25 | benjk | who needs help? |
| 09:14.32 | trixter | qwell |
| 09:14.34 | trixter | he needs a lot |
| 09:14.42 | trixter | :) |
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| 09:15.04 | benjk | I think he meant Asterisk newbies asking for help with Asterisk problems |
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| 09:15.53 | trixter | well this was an asterisk-biuz current issue so it seems relevant :) |
| 09:15.59 | Qwell | #asterisk-biz |
| 09:16.38 | benjk | I thought it was just for fun |
| 09:17.05 | benjk | its not like we never had this discussion before ;-) |
| 09:18.12 | Qwell | point is |
| 09:18.24 | Qwell | There are some things the GPL does/does not allow.. |
| 09:18.36 | Qwell | you may or may not like it, but, you must abide by them |
| 09:18.39 | Qwell | however |
| 09:18.52 | Qwell | This is exactly why the GPLv3 is being written |
| 09:19.03 | Qwell | and also why v4, v5, v22 will all eventually be written |
| 09:19.06 | benjk | which isn't out yet |
| 09:19.19 | benjk | so I can only comment of what I know about v2 |
| 09:19.27 | Qwell | I'm not saying you can |
| 09:19.32 | benjk | ok |
| 09:19.39 | freezer | hi Qwell |
| 09:19.50 | Qwell | What I'm saying, is that if the GPL says something..and you don't like it...too bad |
| 09:19.58 | Qwell | either don't use it, or simply live with it. |
| 09:20.02 | iDunno | IIRC the current draft of the GPLv3 is non DFSG free. |
| 09:20.03 | benjk | well, I was saying the same thing |
| 09:20.24 | benjk | if the GPL says something and MySQL don't like it ... too bad |
| 09:20.28 | Qwell | benjk: But, the fact of the matter is, the GPL already disallows binary linking. :) |
| 09:20.46 | Qwell | *IF* it is distributed. yes |
| 09:21.08 | freezer | binarys with source are not allowed? |
| 09:21.20 | Qwell | freezer: if they're GPL-compatible, absolutely |
| 09:21.31 | Qwell | I meant non-free |
| 09:21.33 | benjk | well, the way I see it is that if companies can get away with questionable rules around the GPL they will |
| 09:21.49 | Qwell | benjk: questionable or not...it's been ruled on already |
| 09:22.02 | benjk | that would be new |
| 09:22.09 | Qwell | not by a court |
| 09:22.19 | Qwell | I mean by the fsf and such |
| 09:22.54 | benjk | I dispute that |
| 09:23.20 | benjk | the point comes down to what constitutes distribution and what doesnt |
| 09:23.51 | Qwell | well, let's look it up in the faq |
| 09:24.09 | benjk | and I have paid very good money to several law firms to get a written opinion on distribution for which they can be held liable if they are wrong |
| 09:24.45 | benjk | so I know that there are ways around falling under distribution |
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| 09:26.17 | benjk | and anybody who tries to define rules in addition to the GPL to further restrict the rules so that those ways around distribution will not work anymore will be in violation of the GPL because the GPL forbids such external restrictions |
| 09:26.42 | trixter | hey that looks like section 7 |
| 09:27.10 | Qwell | nobody is further restricting the gpl |
| 09:27.22 | Qwell | mysql would have been slammed a long time ago if they were |
| 09:28.00 | jojo | Is there a big performance diffrence with asterisk when using Celeron CPUs compared to P4 or Xeon? (at the same speed) |
| 09:28.04 | tzafrir_laptop | iDunno, did you actually see the draft of GPLv3? nobody has yet seen it |
| 09:28.14 | benjk | the clause that trixter quoted which said that MySQL claims that you must pay for a commercial license if you let your customer do the linking/embedding does indeed constitute such a further restriction |
| 09:28.16 | Qwell | jojo: well, celerons are often "slower" |
| 09:28.23 | bsdfreak | heh |
| 09:28.29 | trixter | I heard one of the founders talking about it saying that the FSF wanted to bill commercial interests that used gpled code but didnt distribute |
| 09:28.33 | trixter | like google and ebay |
| 09:28.36 | iDunno | tzafrir_laptop: FSF have. MJR has seen it, IIRC. |
| 09:28.39 | bsdfreak | the lower amount of cache in celerons generally make them less ideal for servers |
| 09:28.44 | trixter | that was news a long time ago with the first major proposed gpl3 |
| 09:28.58 | benjk | trixter: yes, that's what they seem to try to work into GPL v3 |
| 09:29.02 | trixter | and at the same time the FSF is scaring everyone into giving up copyright to the FSF 'to be protected' |
| 09:29.34 | benjk | which is why all my stuff is explicitly marked v2 |
| 09:29.36 | tzafrir_laptop | I'll wait until they publish a draft. There's plenty of time for the public review process. |
| 09:29.37 | trixter | which means the FSF gets the money for the code not the original author because the FSF owns the copyright |
| 09:29.49 | trixter | and that is wrong |
| 09:30.03 | tzafrir_laptop | And I do hope that the FSF havelearned from the mistakes of the past |
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| 09:30.07 | benjk | I won;t sign anything over to the FSF |
| 09:30.12 | Qwell | I would. |
| 09:30.21 | trixter | I wouldnt but then I wouldnt gpl any of my code |
| 09:30.21 | Qwell | I'm an idiot though. ;] |
| 09:30.51 | benjk | well, that's fine, if you are happy to do so. fair enough. its your code you can do with it whatever you like |
| 09:30.52 | tzafrir_laptop | trixter, when did the FSF ever used the code they have commercially? ever since 1989, that is |
| 09:30.57 | trixter | bsd lcienses are so much better, my code is my code and it is as free as I want, your code is your code and it is as free as you want, you have the choice to release your stuff however you want, with the minor restriction you give credti where credit is due.. |
| 09:31.18 | jojo | Qwell, Yeah. Just thought if anyone had any hands-on experience with asterisk in particular. |
| 09:31.34 | benjk | trixter: the problem with BSD license is though that Microsoft will steal it |
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| 09:31.38 | Qwell | jojo: The comment from bsdfreak pretty much sums it up |
| 09:31.50 | benjk | like they have with the Windoze TCP/IP stack |
| 09:31.57 | trixter | tzafrir_laptop: well one of the 5 or so guys that was part of the gpl3 draft like 6 months or something ago gave a bunch of interviews saying that the proposed gpl3 was to include billing people like google because thy use linux (modified) but dont give the modifications out - the gpl 2 and below doesnt require them to because they dont distribute |
| 09:32.01 | benjk | without any attribution to Berkeley University |
| 09:32.19 | benjk | so, before that background, I can understand why people came up with the GPL |
| 09:33.08 | trixter | basically its like when stallman was selling emacs for $150, he quit his job feeling that his employeer would want a claim to emacs because he did it on their computers on their timeclock at their facility.. he couldnt pay his rent so he sold emacs ... sales started falling so he formed the FSF to solicit $$ (where *exactly* has that money gone?) well donations are slipping so he wants to scare people into giving him copyrights and then billing for |
| 09:33.08 | trixter | their use |
| 09:33.23 | tzafrir_laptop | trixter, the issue here is the web ervices issue. whether users of a web service are actually users of your software that are entitled to get the source. |
| 09:34.29 | trixter | it will kill the gpl if they charge |
| 09:34.37 | tzafrir_laptop | The argument for that has some merits. Especially when you see extensive stacks on top of web services. However I don't like that argument. Anyway, I'll have my argument with that argument in the public review time. |
| 09:34.48 | benjk | I think everybody shoudl pay license fees to Berkeley university though |
| 09:35.00 | trixter | didnt berkeley get unix from AT&T? |
| 09:35.02 | bsdfreak | heh |
| 09:35.08 | benjk | after all most TCP/IP stacks are based on the Berkeley implementation |
| 09:35.10 | bsdfreak | anyone using the sipura 3000's pstn to voip gateway? |
| 09:35.15 | trixter | yes they added to it but what about the base from which they started |
| 09:35.25 | tzafrir_laptop | trixter: the last time the FSF published a silly license (GFDL) it has backfiered. I do hope they learn from the past. |
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| 09:35.38 | benjk | so we should pay roylaties to Berkeley for every packet we send out over the internet |
| 09:36.20 | benjk | trixter: no AT&T nicked code from Berkely |
| 09:36.20 | tzafrir_laptop | benjk, there is atribution to the university. The license requires so. |
| 09:36.52 | benjk | tzafrir: unfortunately the biggest user of Berkeley's code doesn't give that attribution |
| 09:37.46 | BadKnees | Is there anyone who knows how to disable vga with lilo. I've tried vga=normal, deleting all vga things, video=vga16:off but no matter what i try dmesg says: Console: colour VGA+ 80x25. With grub it was easy to remove, but i cant get it to work with lilo. (and yes i rerun lilo every time) |
| 09:37.57 | trixter | benjk: where did berkeley get unix from? |
| 09:38.28 | Qwell | bed |
| 09:38.32 | trixter | and what is the BSD license? if berkely had a problem with the BSD license um ... |
| 09:38.33 | benjk | AT&T sued Berkeley claiming that BSD had nicked AT&T code, but the evidenece at the trial showed that AT&T had nicked from Berkeley and so AT&T settled out of court |
| 09:38.57 | trixter | AT&T originally gave unix out - it may not have been voer the base but may have been over something else |
| 09:39.22 | trixter | there are 2 different socket technologies one from AT&T one from berkley so maybe that was it |
| 09:39.29 | benjk | I think Berkely should have written a clause into the BSD license that says if you don't make the attribution you must pay 5000% of your annual income to Berkeley |
| 09:39.42 | benjk | that would have been great |
| 09:39.44 | trixter | but unix started at AT&T and AT&T made it real easy for universities to get it, hoping that students would eventually make recommendations to companies and buy into unix |
| 09:40.00 | trixter | well the advertising clause is no more in BSD licenses |
| 09:40.00 | benjk | Microsoft would now be bankrupt and Berkeley would get all the money |
| 09:40.15 | trixter | and hasnt beenf or a long time |
| 09:40.41 | benjk | the attribution clause was always in the BSD distribution though |
| 09:41.10 | trixter | maybe way back when but not today ... and it isnt required if you write the code yourself |
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| 09:41.19 | trixter | microsoft however bought someone elses tcpip stack |
| 09:41.23 | benjk | fact remains, MSFT stole the code, they didn't make any attribution |
| 09:41.28 | trixter | so that company would be at fault not microsoft |
| 09:41.34 | trixter | technically no they didnt |
| 09:41.40 | trixter | but they did write a bunch of code for solaris |
| 09:41.48 | trixter | check the comments of /bin/login in solaris 2.x |
| 09:41.52 | trixter | (c) Microsoft |
| 09:42.17 | benjk | buying stolen goods doesn't protect you from the consequences of using them illegally |
| 09:42.21 | trixter | I dunno if its stil lthat way or if it was rewritten but in 2.x it was that way |
| 09:42.59 | trixter | buying goods where licenses werent upheld (legally different from stealing, one is civil the other is a crime) isnt the fault of the end user |
| 09:43.05 | trixter | er the buyer |
| 09:43.18 | trixter | microsoft didnt directly take anything from berkeley they bought something under false pretenses |
| 09:43.54 | benjk | doesn't matter |
| 09:44.20 | trixter | in america at least it does |
| 09:44.23 | benjk | once they have become aware that it is Berkeley code, they should have made the attribution |
| 09:44.41 | trixter | I dont know if it was proven that it was berkeleys code or not, I am unclear on that |
| 09:44.52 | trixter | and from which set of code is it? if its the newer stuff then no advertising clause is required |
| 09:45.06 | trixter | I know the cmd line ftp.exe is newer stuff |
| 09:45.11 | trixter | so that has no requirement |
| 09:45.23 | benjk | so you are saying that if I buy your car from a guy who stole it, and I didn't know he stole it, it is legally mine and you can't do anuthing about it? |
| 09:45.35 | benjk | that doesn't sound right |
| 09:45.36 | trixter | the stuff in interix is obsd (sccs ids still intact) and that doesnt have an advertising clause |
| 09:45.51 | trixter | I cant sue you for buying it |
| 09:46.02 | trixter | nor can the cops arrest you for buying it |
| 09:46.06 | trixter | unless either of us can show that you knew |
| 09:46.08 | benjk | you can sue me for returning it to you |
| 09:46.30 | trixter | it can be recovered by the police but how do you recover software? |
| 09:46.40 | benjk | because once I am being made aware that the car is yours I have to act at that time to rectify the situation |
| 09:46.58 | benjk | in this case the only remedy is to either return the car, or pay you for it if you agree |
| 09:46.58 | trixter | technically the cops would recover it as its listed as stolen ... but I cant sue you for my losses regarding the car |
| 09:47.05 | trixter | nor fixing it up from any modifications you did to it |
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| 09:47.31 | benjk | with a software that is licensed under the Berkeley license, the remedy would be to do the attribution |
| 09:47.32 | tzafrir_laptop | trixter, this is why I said "after 1989". At 1989 stallman got a prize and stopped selling services for living. And even before that it was stallman making a living and not the FSF |
| 09:47.36 | trixter | how could you apply that logic to software though? |
| 09:48.10 | Gladius | hey guys |
| 09:48.11 | tzafrir_laptop | And he sold support and coppies of free software. Nothing someone else couldn't do |
| 09:48.16 | benjk | in the case of a software released under the Berkeley license it is very easy to apply that logic |
| 09:48.30 | trixter | which version of the berkeley license? |
| 09:48.31 | benjk | it would be more difficult if there were license fees involved |
| 09:48.31 | Gladius | do you know how can I make asterisk not dial a number if it's already in a call ? |
| 09:48.48 | trixter | Gladius: setgroup? |
| 09:49.07 | benjk | the one under which the BSD operating system was distributed by Berkeley when it was still distributed by them |
| 09:49.12 | tzafrir_laptop | benjk, *there will be no license fees involved*. Stip believeing to bulshit. |
| 09:49.17 | benjk | which required attribution |
| 09:49.19 | trixter | is that the code that microsoft bought? |
| 09:49.32 | dokhench | Gladius: if a phone is on a call, or if the system itself has a call going? |
| 09:49.40 | benjk | they wasn't any other code around at the time |
| 09:49.45 | tzafrir_laptop | The FSF is not going to sell properitary licenses for software. |
| 09:50.00 | trixter | and becuase microsoft paid for someone to provide them with a product is it microsofts fault that the company they paid violated the license? and at what point was the code changed to a different license? |
| 09:50.18 | benjk | tzafrir: the BSD operating system was explicitly licensed under those terms: no license fees BUT attribution to the University of Berkeley |
| 09:50.47 | trixter | ok so a vendor that sold stuff to microsoft violated that license |
| 09:50.58 | trixter | go after that vendor not someone just becuase you dont like them |
| 09:51.01 | benjk | but it is still the same code |
| 09:51.23 | trixter | personally I like microsoft, they made my hardware cheap, were it not for them total volume on computer sales would be less and Iwould have had to pay more for all the systems I have |
| 09:51.45 | trixter | it isnt legally speaking in america at least microsofts fault that someone else outside of microsoft stole code |
| 09:51.51 | Gladius | trixter: and how about combining this with queue ? |
| 09:51.56 | trixter | and its unclear what deal that company made with BSD |
| 09:52.18 | benjk | if your logic was correct, then I could sell you Asterisk and tell you that it is not GPL encumbered, that it is BSD licensed, then if you can proof that you have good reason to believe that I was telling the truth then you can distribute Asterisk under BSD terms and we all get Asterisk under BSD terms thereafter forever |
| 09:52.20 | trixter | Gladius: I am not quite sure what you want to do, restrict a call from a queue to agents? |
| 09:53.00 | trixter | benjk: my logic said that you cant go after microsoft simply because someone sold them code in violation of a license |
| 09:53.07 | trixter | has the copyright holder ever made na issue of this? |
| 09:53.08 | Gladius | trixter: the problem is that the SJPhone is still called during a call, and for an operator it's kinda hard to understand the other person while having a constant buzz in the background |
| 09:53.43 | trixter | Gladius: if you are doing a dial do a setgroup before the dial, if you are doing queues it shouldnt send multiple calls to an agent if that is configured properly |
| 09:53.50 | benjk | likewise, nobody would be able to come after you for continuing to release the Asterisk I stole from Digium under BSD license terms |
| 09:53.50 | trixter | it should only send calls to available agents |
| 09:54.07 | trixter | has BSD ever made an issue about this? |
| 09:54.16 | trixter | maybe BSD made a deal with the company that sold code to microsoft |
| 09:54.21 | trixter | they would have that right |
| 09:54.35 | Gladius | trixter: if there is only one agent, he's called non-stop, even while he's in a call |
| 09:54.36 | trixter | if they never tried to do anything maybe that is what happened |
| 09:54.39 | benjk | the moment that you are being put at notice by Digium that the code you got from me was not BSD licensed you will have to stop distributing it under BSD terms |
| 09:54.50 | tzafrir_laptop | benjk, wrong. The moment the copyrights holder demands you stop violating his rights, you must stop. No matter how good your fith was. |
| 09:54.54 | trixter | you are avoiding the question |
| 09:55.13 | benjk | tzafrir: that's what I meant |
| 09:55.52 | trixter | has BSD ever made an issue of this? did they sell to the company that sold to MSFT a lciense other than the BSD advertising one? |
| 09:56.02 | benjk | So, because it is MSFT, they are big enough to get away with this. Berkeley doesn't want to bother going after them |
| 09:56.08 | benjk | that sucks |
| 09:56.12 | trixter | they wernet that big way back when |
| 09:56.30 | trixter | ahh so berkeley didnt go after them? perhaps its not so stolen |
| 09:56.38 | benjk | the fact that they were using the BSD stack was only discovered years later |
| 09:56.41 | trixter | perhaps it was licensed with a license other than the advertising one |
| 09:57.00 | benjk | in that case Microsoft would say so |
| 09:57.08 | benjk | but they are dragging their feet |
| 09:57.08 | trixter | and they couldnt go after MSFT for damages, only the supplier MSFT used for that code |
| 09:57.38 | trixter | MSFT didnt steal code no matter how you cut it.. MSFT could be told to stop distributing but if that were the case perhaps they could work out a deal, and that most likely would have happened |
| 09:57.42 | benjk | while many researchers have continued to provide evidence that Windoze uses the BSD TCP/IP stack |
| 09:57.56 | trixter | it may use it but that doesnt say under what license it was obtained |
| 09:58.02 | trixter | proof that it uses something is not proof its unlicensed |
| 09:58.07 | trixter | you dont know what backroom deals were made |
| 09:58.23 | trixter | I do remember that berkeley had money issues at one point, they had too much and had to do stuff with it |
| 09:58.35 | trixter | from unix stuff at one point |
| 09:58.44 | trixter | this was a long time ago but still ... |
| 09:58.48 | benjk | yeah, name it however you want it, for me it is clear cut, a criminal organisation that is bullying and cheating can get away with whatever they like and just because its an American icon, nobody cares |
| 09:59.00 | trixter | um |
| 09:59.08 | trixter | you are so misguided in your hatred |
| 09:59.26 | trixter | no one has proven that they used anything in vioaltion of any license |
| 09:59.33 | trixter | you havent shown me one thing to suggest that is the case |
| 09:59.40 | benjk | no, I am guided by a sense of whats right under the premise that everybody is equal before the law |
| 09:59.43 | trixter | yes they use(d) it, that doesnt mean it was without license |
| 10:00.11 | trixter | if everyone is equal then you should at least provide some proof that the company that sold software to MSFT stole it first |
| 10:00.28 | benjk | and consequently I dont like it when some people are more equal then others just because they are rich and everybody is scared to touch them |
| 10:00.35 | trixter | if you cant prove that company stole it then you cant blame MSFT for *anything* in this regard, further you have to provide proof that MSFT used it without a valid license |
| 10:01.08 | trixter | you havent demonstrated that WAY back when MSFT had less money that berkeley didnt authorize the use |
| 10:01.10 | benjk | yeah same goes for MySQL my friend |
| 10:01.23 | trixter | I gave urls and stuff with respect to mysql |
| 10:01.37 | trixter | you havent given one url that shows that berkeley did not license to the company that sold to MSFT |
| 10:01.42 | trixter | if they did license all your claims are invalid |
| 10:01.51 | trixter | and htey could have licensed under an alternative license than the public one |
| 10:01.51 | benjk | MySQL have done absolutely nothing wrong UNLESS you go to court and get a court to say differently, so you should just cut it with your MySQL criticism as well |
| 10:02.23 | trixter | well they are wrong in the FSFs eyes and in violation of the gpl |
| 10:02.32 | trixter | but whether or not the gpl is valid is another question |
| 10:02.40 | benjk | who knows, MySQL probably have a secret agreement with the FSF that gives them extra rights to modify the GPL |
| 10:02.56 | benjk | unless you can prove this is not so, you cant criticise them |
| 10:03.00 | tzafrir_laptop | trixter, you refer to the mysql court case? |
| 10:03.01 | trixter | however show me a link of someone from berkeley saying that berkeley did not license to the company that sold stuff to MSFT |
| 10:03.16 | trixter | tzafrir_laptop: no becuase in that case the judge sidestepped the gpl issue |
| 10:03.46 | trixter | I was refering to mysql saying you have to pay them money and retroactively revokes the gpl if they dont like you and stuff that way.. basically scaring people into paying money to them ... like sco does |
| 10:03.52 | tzafrir_laptop | there was something that was a bit techncal license violation used by one company against another company in a dispute. |
| 10:03.58 | trixter | however I dont want to get side tracked |
| 10:04.18 | benjk | well, I notice that you are biased against MySQL and in favour of MSFT |
| 10:04.25 | trixter | I want benjk to give me a url of someone at berkeley who says berkeley did not license to the company that sold to MSFT under a non-advertising license |
| 10:04.34 | trixter | I want benjk to give me a url of someone at berkeley who says berkeley did not license to the company that sold to MSFT under a non-advertising license |
| 10:04.59 | trixter | I am biased against the actions of mysql violating the gpl the same way I am biased against digium for violating the gpl |
| 10:05.03 | trixter | yes digium violates the gpl |
| 10:05.05 | benjk | I don't have any URLs you can do your own googling on this, its a very well documented issue in BSD hacker circles |
| 10:05.16 | trixter | ahh no one from berkeley talknig though? |
| 10:05.20 | bsdfreak | heh |
| 10:05.27 | trixter | or just bsd people who dont know about backroom deals that may have occured |
| 10:05.29 | benjk | in any event you seem biased in favour of MSFT |
| 10:05.35 | trixter | see therei s a big difference between the two |
| 10:05.54 | benjk | which makes your anti-Digium and anti-MySQL advocacy somewhat pointless |
| 10:05.57 | trixter | I am saying that you claims they stole code when they bought software from someone who may or may not have been licensed to do what they did with it is wrong |
| 10:05.59 | trixter | and it is |
| 10:06.00 | trixter | I am for fact |
| 10:06.03 | trixter | not bias |
| 10:06.48 | trixter | the more you insist that msft stole code when they did not directly obtain it, the more you insist they are criminal for stelaing code they may or may not have a valid license for and your refusal to provide any proof is questionable |
| 10:07.10 | trixter | which is precisely why I gave proof in my claims, urls, cut and pastes from webpages, specific document sections, etc |
| 10:07.12 | benjk | all I am saying is that 800 pound gorillas can get away with tings that us lesser mortals cannot and that I dont lilke that, no matter how eloquent lawyers can argue to make a farce of the fact |
| 10:07.41 | trixter | that is a different issue from whether or not microsoft bought code that was not properly licensed |
| 10:08.25 | benjk | as I said, do your own googling, its not that I initiated this issue or invented it |
| 10:08.42 | trixter | I am not for inequality, why I take exception to the people that use the gpl and try to enforce the gpl but violate it themselves. that is just one issue, but its the same core point.. just because you can do something doesnt always mean you should |
| 10:08.53 | benjk | I know about it because I have come across many articles on the issue over the years |
| 10:09.14 | trixter | I just wanted to see something from someone at berkeley that can officially comment on this issue as opposed to someone who is in 'bsd backer circles' commenting on it becuase legally speaking the two groups are very different |
| 10:09.24 | trixter | yes but who is the source of those articles? |
| 10:09.33 | benjk | see, the situation is that Berkeley no longer cares about BSD |
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| 10:10.24 | trixter | I can say that I have personal knoweldge that msft bought properly licensed code that berkeley licensed to the vendor msft bought from.. get a whole story written which invalidates your point, but I am not a credible witness to those facts so you shouldnt believe me just becuase someone quoted me and possibly linked to my webpage |
| 10:10.26 | benjk | the guys who ran the BSD operation at Berkeley had to set themelves up as NetBSD if I remember correctly and continue in their own time with their own resources |
| 10:10.59 | benjk | well, I have read countless articles to the contrary |
| 10:11.02 | trixter | well way back when berkeley got so much money from unix stuffs that they had to do stuff with it ... berkeley is a california state university |
| 10:11.16 | trixter | which in turn has certain limits on what it can earn |
| 10:11.27 | benjk | and the fact that MSFT kept quite and even denies using the BSD stack isn't exactly confidence inducing |
| 10:11.42 | trixter | countless articles doesnt mean its more valid just that its more widespread. that is my point |
| 10:11.49 | trixter | just becuase its said on the internet doesnt mean it should be believed |
| 10:12.08 | benjk | there were some credible people involved |
| 10:12.13 | trixter | without knowing the sources of everything and 'bsd hacker circles' is not credible in this situation you shouldnt rely on the information |
| 10:12.22 | trixter | credible on the licensing side of things? |
| 10:12.23 | benjk | Ha |
| 10:12.30 | trixter | or credible on the fact that it is bsd stack? |
| 10:12.34 | benjk | I should rely on information sponsored by MSFT |
| 10:12.37 | benjk | get out of here |
| 10:12.42 | trixter | I never said that |
| 10:12.45 | trixter | nor did I imply it |
| 10:12.48 | bsdfreak | anyone know of some good docs on configuring asterisk so you can use it from remote locations to redirect calls? |
| 10:12.50 | benjk | but that's what it comes down to |
| 10:12.53 | trixter | if you think I did please quote what you read that made you think that |
| 10:12.57 | benjk | your version is as good as mine |
| 10:13.15 | trixter | just becuase something is on the internet is not good grounds to believe it |
| 10:13.22 | benjk | the fact that MSFT are in denial is a very strong indication of their guilt |
| 10:13.27 | trixter | and its sad that becuase something is quoted a lot on the internet you say it as factual |
| 10:13.40 | trixter | ahh so only guilty people deny violations |
| 10:13.42 | trixter | I see your point |
| 10:13.48 | benjk | no I didn't say that |
| 10:13.49 | trixter | innocent people will never deny it |
| 10:13.54 | trixter | benjk the fact that MSFT are in denial is a very strong indication of their guilt |
| 10:13.55 | benjk | I said "strong indication" |
| 10:14.04 | trixter | yeah cause innocent people never deny anything |
| 10:14.16 | benjk | you have to learn to understand modifiers and qualifiers |
| 10:14.16 | trixter | what other choice is there? |
| 10:14.31 | benjk | I use them not because I like typing longer sentecnes |
| 10:14.34 | trixter | if you deny something there is no reason to assume guilt or innocence |
| 10:14.41 | trixter | you cant use a denial as a basis for that |
| 10:14.45 | benjk | but because they are meant to mean something |
| 10:14.59 | bsdfreak | heh |
| 10:15.01 | trixter | yes they are meant to mean that innocent peopel generally dont deny accussations |
| 10:15.18 | trixter | because if they did then you couldnt possibly claim that denial is a strong indication of guilt |
| 10:15.20 | benjk | together with MSFTs overall conduct that is a very strong indication indeed |
| 10:15.32 | benjk | you don't give benefit of doubt to a repeat offender |
| 10:15.42 | trixter | otherwise you would have to accept that both guilty and innocent people deny, innocent people generally deny close to 100% where guilty people is a lower percentage |
| 10:15.43 | benjk | MSFT is a repeat offender |
| 10:15.51 | benjk | they give a damn about rules |
| 10:16.18 | trixter | I dont agree with much of what MSFT has done, and you seem bent on making it about that, instead of this particular issue |
| 10:16.32 | trixter | whether or not the company MSFT bought software from was properly licensed to sell it in the form they sold it in |
| 10:16.59 | trixter | you started out by saying MSFT stole the code but they bought it from someone else, you failed to supply any information if that person was licensed to distribute it in the way they did |
| 10:17.04 | benjk | no, I am saying that in the face of MSFT's conduct and given their denial, I am inclined not to believe your version as much as the opposite side |
| 10:17.20 | trixter | and now are tryiung to say that becuase MSFT has done other things surely they mnust be guilty in this particular instance, which doesnt follow logic |
| 10:17.34 | trixter | you seem not inclined to believe anything from them no matter what they say |
| 10:17.37 | benjk | I am saying that your version is as good as any other |
| 10:17.49 | benjk | so it is up to the reader to make up their own mind |
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| 10:17.55 | trixter | and attack and start to get nasty against anyone that suggests that maybe you dont have all the facts and they would like to see them if you have them |
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| 10:18.13 | trixter | I have just asked for proof of claims rather than speculation and bias |
| 10:18.27 | benjk | in my case this making up my mind takes into account past conduct and denial of using the stack in the first place, becaus if there was nothing fishy about it why would they have to deny this>? |
| 10:18.34 | tzafrir_laptop | benjk, could you prove you didn't illegally copy your software? |
| 10:18.53 | benjk | I could proof where I copied it from |
| 10:18.59 | trixter | they may not have known, and by 'they' that may have just been the person that made the statement |
| 10:19.06 | benjk | and I wouldn't deny that I am using Asterisk when in fact I do |
| 10:19.15 | benjk | and I have nothing to hide |
| 10:19.21 | trixter | the person that made the statement may have been relying on information supplied by the company that sold the stack to MSFT |
| 10:19.23 | tzafrir_laptop | Actually IIRC their stack in win95 did carry copyright notice of Berkely |
| 10:19.23 | benjk | because Asterisk is GPL licensed |
| 10:19.27 | benjk | so I can use it |
| 10:19.33 | benjk | I have no reason to deny that I use it |
| 10:19.57 | trixter | asterisk violates the gpl |
| 10:20.07 | trixter | iirc sec 2 |
| 10:20.09 | trixter | maybe sec1 |
| 10:20.13 | tzafrir_laptop | In w2k or in XP they rewrote the stack and did not depend on the berkely code anymore. |
| 10:20.14 | trixter | yeah sec1 seems more appropriate |
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| 10:20.36 | tzafrir_laptop | trixter, could you be more specific? |
| 10:20.48 | benjk | well, you believe your version, I believe what I read elsewhere |
| 10:20.58 | trixter | the obsd stuff they have for interix has the SCCS strings in the binaries and they comply with the BSD license that bound those programs (but those were from a company they bought rather than someine originated inhouse, it still is in compliance) |
| 10:21.07 | tzafrir_laptop | Asterisk is licensed under the GPL if you don't use h323 |
| 10:21.23 | trixter | tzafrir_laptop: when you do asterisk -r it states the copyright, at that point it is also supposed to say its gpled and that there is no warantee (unless one is provided) |
| 10:21.30 | trixter | basically the GPL advertising clause |
| 10:21.38 | trixter | the same thing benjk was talknig about with regards to the BSD stack |
| 10:21.44 | trixter | :) |
| 10:21.57 | benjk | good example |
| 10:22.11 | trixter | so digium should be owned by the FSF right? |
| 10:22.18 | benjk | and since you told me that, I have changed the Asterisk build to actually display the missing bits |
| 10:22.26 | trixter | heh |
| 10:22.27 | benjk | this is what I would expect of MSFT |
| 10:22.39 | benjk | I mean the OSX Asterisk build |
| 10:22.44 | trixter | ohh so digium and MSFT is the same becuase I have ranted about that pre ver 1.2 and it has never gotten fixed |
| 10:22.47 | trixter | because no one cares |
| 10:23.05 | trixter | even the FSF doesnt care that much |
| 10:23.08 | benjk | as I said, I have since changed my build to display the missing bits |
| 10:23.14 | trixter | why they dont make an issue about stuff like that |
| 10:23.23 | benjk | and this will be the based for the upcoming OSX installer |
| 10:23.28 | trixter | yeah but the version from digium doesnt have it |
| 10:23.38 | trixter | so under your logic digium stole the gpl |
| 10:23.38 | trixter | ! |
| 10:23.41 | benjk | that's not in my power |
| 10:23.41 | trixter | :P |
| 10:24.05 | benjk | but the bits I license from Digium (by way of the GPL) have been corrected |
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| 10:24.19 | trixter | and I have ranted about that specific issue becuase I dont like people that pick a license, any license then violate it themselves |
| 10:24.36 | trixter | I have ranted about the g729 and um 726? codec that requires the commercial intel IPP stuff |
| 10:24.51 | trixter | because they cant gpl something that depends on commercial software like that, and the diffs certainly do ddepend on it |
| 10:24.55 | benjk | I don't include those |
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| 10:25.23 | trixter | yeah I am just saying the diff file that is out there violates the gpl too, and I have ranted about that the same as mysql and digium for *exactly* the same reason |
| 10:25.39 | trixter | to go back to your I am anti mysql and pro msft |
| 10:27.05 | benjk | see, I am biased agains MSFT, but if they had the guts to actually put that attribution in there, I would actually give them credit for that |
| 10:27.46 | trixter | and any bias I have against them I try not to let it influence me to the point I ignore whether or not it was actually lciensed |
| 10:28.20 | trixter | I dont use any MSFT products myself, however I do believe they did 1 very good thing for me.. they enabled more people to use computers easier which caused a greater demand for hardware which lowerd cost.. I like cheap hardware |
| 10:28.36 | trixter | and without playing the what if game, yeah others could have done it but they didnt |
| 10:28.41 | benjk | I disagree with that |
| 10:28.44 | trixter | and that is a fact, that they didnt |
| 10:28.52 | benjk | I think MSFT has increased the cost of IT |
| 10:28.53 | trixter | what specifically do you disagree with? |
| 10:29.04 | trixter | I was speaking of hardware not the IT industry as a whole |
| 10:29.16 | benjk | The Economist has had a few articles that would seem to confirm this |
| 10:29.28 | trixter | my first computer was $2000 and it was a z80 with a s100 bus running cp/m ... my mom soldered the keyboard together and my dad the rest of it |
| 10:29.38 | trixter | now I can get a laptop many times faster with WAY more ram for $200 |
| 10:30.21 | trixter | had there not been such a great demand for hardware costs would be much higher and quite possibly cpu speeds lower becuase there wouldnt be the market for faster cpus companies like intel wouldnt have the drive to make them |
| 10:30.32 | benjk | so you actually think that this is thanks to MSFT? that we would still have z80s for 2000 USD today without them? ha |
| 10:30.45 | emrah | Hello there |
| 10:30.52 | trixter | I never siad we would have the same hardware, nor did I imply it |
| 10:31.01 | benjk | I disagree with the notion that this is due to MSFT |
| 10:31.10 | trixter | I specifically commented on faster cpus I just dont think they would be as fast becuase there wouldnt be the market for them |
| 10:31.23 | trixter | and yes I think that MSFT had a big part of more computers in the home |
| 10:31.31 | benjk | as I see it MSFT is actually slicing off a few percentage points of every country's GDP |
| 10:31.32 | trixter | when I was in high school in home computers were rare |
| 10:31.35 | trixter | largely due to cost |
| 10:31.49 | benjk | yeah, that would have changed by now |
| 10:31.52 | emrah | My Asterisk is doing strange. With all my proxys, after a moment, the registration process fail all the time. To all my SIP accounts, after a moment, Asterisk isn't able to register anymore. I'm using 1.2.0. Any idea about it? |
| 10:31.53 | trixter | but windows wasnt really around then either |
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| 10:32.14 | benjk | how many other products have been expensive in the 70s and are cheap today, without any involvement by MSFT? |
| 10:32.31 | trixter | and they didnt get that popular until windows was out there, given that windows was the majority of the desktop (regardless of how it was) and it made it a lot easier to use computers started selling faster which made them cheaper |
| 10:32.35 | trixter | there is a price cut when you do volume |
| 10:32.49 | benjk | emrah: can you replicate this on 1.0.9 ? |
| 10:32.59 | trixter | I am not even coming close to implying that MSFT influences the entire economy |
| 10:33.05 | trixter | read what I typed and stop letting your bias blind you |
| 10:33.24 | trixter | I said they specifically were a major part of why you can ghet cheap hardware today at hte power you can get |
| 10:33.37 | emrah | benjk: My English is quite bad, sorry. Do you mean if I'm experiencing the same with 1.0.9? |
| 10:33.43 | trixter | yes he does |
| 10:33.54 | benjk | every company I have worked for where people use Windows has this strange problem that deadlines cannot be met because somebody's computer blew up on them just when the stuff was almost ready |
| 10:34.08 | trixter | that is different from cheap hardware |
| 10:34.13 | benjk | so either this is true, then MSFT does have a bad impact on productivity |
| 10:34.13 | trixter | and not the point I was making |
| 10:34.22 | trixter | that is different from cheap hardware |
| 10:34.25 | trixter | and not the point I was making |
| 10:34.39 | benjk | or, they are liars and MSFT has a bad impact on their attitudes and therebdy indirectly on their productibvty |
| 10:35.04 | trixter | I am not even sure what to make of that but it still doesnt fall into the point I am making |
| 10:35.15 | trixter | cheap hardware at the speeds we have today, that is it |
| 10:35.22 | trixter | I specifically qualified it when I first said it |
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| 10:35.46 | trixter | and did so for a reason, not becuase I like typing long sentences, although I dont seem to have much of a problem with that, but because I wanted to make a specific point |
| 10:36.02 | trixter | and only that point and no other point that is directly or indirectly related but rather the one point that I did make |
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| 10:36.32 | kmilitzer | Hello ... |
| 10:36.37 | trixter | gee that sounds like an attack you made against me earlier.. hmm |
| 10:36.45 | kmilitzer | Can someone help me with zaptel-related development? |
| 10:36.48 | benjk | I was referring to your comment about MSFT's impact on the economy |
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| 10:36.56 | kmilitzer | I need to loop a E1-Channel in an asterisk-channel, without using the asterisk channel functions to do that ... |
| 10:36.58 | trixter | kmilitzer: maybe if you give more information |
| 10:37.00 | benjk | you said I was blinded |
| 10:37.05 | trixter | I never said on the economy |
| 10:37.16 | kmilitzer | trixter: see above |
| 10:37.18 | trixter | please if you are going to be blinded by your bias at least quote me correctly |
| 10:37.22 | benjk | so I gave you the reason why I do believe that they do have a negative impact on economies |
| 10:37.36 | trixter | I never never said that |
| 10:37.40 | trixter | and I deny that I did |
| 10:37.42 | trixter | becuaes I didnt |
| 10:37.45 | trixter | I said hardware |
| 10:37.48 | trixter | you turned it into economy |
| 10:37.57 | trixter | and I kept trying to keep it limited to hardware |
| 10:38.05 | trixter | and you refused, now you are saying that I said economy? |
| 10:38.30 | trixter | kmilitzer: how do you mean asterisk channel? |
| 10:38.44 | benjk | trixter: I am not even coming close to implying that MSFT influences the entire economy |
| 10:38.53 | trixter | yes |
| 10:38.58 | trixter | I am *NOT* |
| 10:38.58 | benjk | followed by a comment that said I was blinded |
| 10:39.07 | trixter | becuase many times you have said that I said that |
| 10:39.11 | trixter | when I never did |
| 10:39.17 | trixter | thanks for quoting me denying it in the past too |
| 10:39.18 | kmilitzer | trixter: I try to use the chan_ss7 from sifira ... the problem is, that the ISUP-CCR handling is not implented |
| 10:39.26 | kmilitzer | For that to work I need to loop a defined channel |
| 10:39.30 | benjk | that's why I then replied why I think that MSFT has an impact on economies |
| 10:40.03 | benjk | kmilitzer: I would be surprised if there is anybody with ss7 expertise in here |
| 10:40.06 | trixter | I wouldnt have made that comment unless (and I remember that you did) you made a comment about how I felt they influenced the entire economy |
| 10:40.11 | trixter | something I never said other than to deny it |
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| 10:40.17 | trixter | and you proved that I have denied it in the past |
| 10:40.20 | *** join/#asterisk implicit (n=implicit@ip70-181-114-97.oc.oc.cox.net) |
| 10:40.30 | kmilitzer | benjk: I need no ss7 expertise, i just need to loop a single zaptel-channel |
| 10:40.30 | benjk | yes, I know you said that you didn't think so |
| 10:40.37 | implicit | hi |
| 10:40.47 | trixter | its not that I didnt think so its that I wasnt commenting on that |
| 10:40.55 | trixter | I specifically was commenting on hardware cost only |
| 10:41.03 | trixter | and how I like cheap hardware |
| 10:41.19 | trixter | kmilitzer: libisup has a ss7 replacement from cosini.com iirc |
| 10:41.23 | benjk | but since you followed with a comment saying I was blinded, it seemed you implied that I was blinded because I did say that I believe that MSFT has a negative impact on economies |
| 10:41.24 | trixter | that may work better for what you want |
| 10:41.31 | trixter | because its supposed to be isup compatible 100% |
| 10:41.35 | trixter | not free though |
| 10:41.44 | benjk | hence more detail about why I think so |
| 10:42.05 | kmilitzer | trixter: Yes, it does, but it a) costs money and b) doesn't support CCR either ... so I will at first try to stick to the GRLed channel |
| 10:42.06 | trixter | I am saying that you are blinded in that you cant quote me accurately, you cant leave it to what I am talking about you have only attacked things I never said |
| 10:42.08 | benjk | Well, I don't like cheap hardware |
| 10:42.13 | trixter | and have done it in a way to suggest that I did say them |
| 10:42.18 | benjk | because most of the time it causes problems |
| 10:42.45 | benjk | we had less problems when hardware vendors could make a decent living without being MSFT's bitch |
| 10:42.47 | implicit | Anyone ever got a syslog message like this from a grandstream HT486.R2 firmware 1.0.7.11, or know what it means?<15>GS_LOG: [00:0B:82:XX:XX:XX][000] Qualify cfg |
| 10:42.48 | Gladius | I can't find any solution to combine SetGroup and Queues |
| 10:42.50 | trixter | I would rather pay $200 for a system than $2000 given that the $200 is many many many times faster and has WAY more ram |
| 10:43.19 | trixter | even comparing comparable pre/post windows systems |
| 10:43.36 | trixter | you still have that price -- although pre windows systems often for anything 'real' was more than $2k |
| 10:43.44 | benjk | now you are implying again that the 2000 dollar system would not have evolved since the Z80 days |
| 10:43.46 | trixter | Gladius: checkgroup? |
| 10:43.56 | trixter | I think I just did |
| 10:43.58 | kmilitzer | So the question is still, how to simply loop the incoming part of a zaptel channel with the outgoing part? |
| 10:44.09 | implicit | benjk, stfu, i am back once and you are arguing about stupid shit with trixter |
| 10:44.20 | implicit | benjk, trixter won last time, what makes you think you have a better chance this time? |
| 10:44.26 | implicit | benjk, nothing against you, but you suck at arguing shit |
| 10:44.38 | benjk | implicit: I don't respond well to profanity |
| 10:44.41 | trixter | the $2k system I was thinking of was early 386 systems |
| 10:44.46 | implicit | benjk, do you respond at all? |
| 10:44.47 | benjk | so you have just given me a reason to make even more noise |
| 10:45.07 | benjk | if you ask nicely I am the nicest person |
| 10:45.09 | implicit | benjk, lol, your reasoning is very strange (flawed, in most respects) |
| 10:45.19 | benjk | but STFU does push the wrong button |
| 10:45.21 | implicit | benjk, would you please stop arguing with trixter |
| 10:45.22 | Gladius | trixter, how can I do a checkgroup in a queue ? |
| 10:45.41 | trixter | Gladius: I dont know if you have agents properly log in they shouldnt have more than one call goto them at the same time |
| 10:45.53 | Gladius | no, I don't use agents |
| 10:45.58 | Gladius | I use directly SIP channels |
| 10:46.04 | trixter | that may be your problem |
| 10:46.23 | trixter | you may have better luck using agents in there ... |
| 10:46.30 | Gladius | can it be fixed without requiring another login step ? |
| 10:46.43 | implicit | benjk, without trying to offend you, i believe he is a lot smarter than you and I am saying it not only because your arguments are annoying but also be cause you embarrass yourself |
| 10:47.14 | implicit | benjk, do you agree with me? |
| 10:47.24 | kmilitzer | If nobody here has any knowledge about looping zaptel-channels, then please tell me so, than i will dig into it by myself ... |
| 10:47.46 | implicit | kmilitzer, nobody has true knowledge of anything here at tims time of night |
| 10:48.01 | trixter | Gladius: before dialing the sip addr you would need ot do a setgroup/check group or otherwise limit that account to 1 and only one channel at a time and I dont know exactly how you are doing it so I dont know about any probvlems that may come up |
| 10:48.03 | *** join/#asterisk backblue (n=moo@82.102.1.42) |
| 10:48.06 | *** join/#asterisk montag___ (n=montag@217.56.250.227) |
| 10:48.17 | backblue | hi, anyone knows alternative to asterfax? |
| 10:48.18 | montag___ | any tips for echo cancelation between two iax client (diax..) |
| 10:48.24 | montag___ | ? |
| 10:48.28 | freezer | tims time of night? |
| 10:48.35 | trixter | backblu: hylafax ans iaxmodem.sf.net ? |
| 10:48.46 | kmilitzer | implicit: why time of the night, it's 11:48 AM here ;) |
| 10:48.48 | backblue | that its nice |
| 10:48.58 | implicit | kmilitzer, oh yeah? |
| 10:49.02 | bsdfreak | heh |
| 10:49.04 | implicit | then lend me your mind |
| 10:49.13 | freezer | kmilitzer: here too :D |
| 10:49.25 | kmilitzer | Damn time zones ;) |
| 10:49.27 | backblue | trixter: i will take a look to that, do you know any hylafax protocolo for routing fax between 2 fax server? |
| 10:49.28 | freezer | CET rulz :D |
| 10:49.56 | trixter | backblue: investigate T.37 its a store and forward fax system using mime and smtp.. I dont know if hylafax supports it though |
| 10:50.12 | trixter | some dont like it because 1. its not realtime delivery 2. the sender cant get all the features of the receiver |
| 10:51.11 | freezer | i will drive to McDonalds now :D |
| 10:51.22 | trixter | get me a chocolate shake |
| 10:51.34 | trixter | wash your mouth out before you drink it for me though |
| 10:51.35 | freezer | ^^ |
| 10:51.37 | trixter | I dont want any of your germs |
| 10:51.46 | benjk | don't get me started on McDonalds |
| 10:51.51 | trixter | haha |
| 10:52.00 | implicit | benjk, don't worry we wont :) |
| 10:52.11 | implicit | ;) |
| 10:52.17 | benjk | well, freezer seems bound to |
| 10:52.25 | freezer | my germs are healthful ^^ |
| 10:52.38 | trixter | the only real problem I have with them is in the UK they went after some lady that used the MC prefix which they claim they own, and the chief of the donald clan informed mcdonalds they are using that name in the UK without permission, they dont drop the suit they wont be in the UK |
| 10:52.41 | trixter | they dropped the suit |
| 10:52.46 | trixter | but its stupid stuff like that |
| 10:52.53 | freezer | benjk: no, im not there very often... |
| 10:53.01 | benjk | not about your health, because that's you problem |
| 10:53.03 | trixter | further I am from the donald clan so meh |
| 10:53.18 | benjk | McDonalds is evil, just like MSFT and Skype |
| 10:53.25 | benjk | they should be boycotted |
| 10:53.37 | backblue | trixter: http://iaxmodem.sourceforge.net/ does not work |
| 10:53.38 | freezer | isnt Skype an VOIP program? :D |
| 10:53.47 | benjk | an evil one |
| 10:54.03 | trixter | backblue: google for it ... its there somewhere.. maybe its a subproduct to another project |
| 10:54.03 | freezer | benjk: you are in japan? |
| 10:54.14 | benjk | but anyway, sushi has just arrived on the table, so I have to eat now |
| 10:54.37 | trixter | benjk: you will appreciate this, I got a friend to put a bunch of wasabi on his roll telling him it was like guacomole |
| 10:54.42 | iDunno | Skype is VOIP gone wrong ;) |
| 10:54.44 | trixter | you should have seen his face |
| 10:54.47 | freezer | benjk: then mcdonalds is very cheap for you, compared with europe prices :_D |
| 10:54.59 | Gladius | I hate McDonalds |
| 10:55.05 | trixter | freezer: when I lived in scotland I didnt find the prices that different from america |
| 10:55.12 | trixter | although the drink sizes were a bit small for my taste |
| 10:55.17 | trixter | that was everywhere though |
| 10:55.23 | backblue | trixter: the great thing about asterfax its the suport for MS-Word documents and all office Mime types. |
| 10:55.27 | Gladius | for example, a big mac costs here about 6 lei and it's really NOT big |
| 10:55.28 | backblue | but it in jave |
| 10:55.30 | backblue | java |
| 10:55.35 | backblue | java sucks real hard |
| 10:55.35 | dokhench | backblue: http://sourceforge.net/project/iaxmodem |
| 10:55.39 | implicit | what is LEI? |
| 10:55.45 | Gladius | with 6 lei I can buy a really big kebab |
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| 10:55.48 | backblue | dokhench: yes i found it, tks |
| 10:55.50 | implicit | backblue, lol |
| 10:55.51 | dokhench | np |
| 10:55.56 | Gladius | LEI = romanian coin :) |
| 10:56.12 | implicit | Gladius, so it only costs 6 coins? |
| 10:56.12 | freezer | trixter: yes usa/europa may not differ so much, but i heard that an "Big Meal" menu in bankok only coasts 1,60US$ |
| 10:56.14 | implicit | shit that is cheap |
| 10:56.19 | trixter | 6 lei man that is nothing |
| 10:56.34 | Gladius | 6 lei ~= 2$ |
| 10:56.39 | PakiPenguin | morning |
| 10:56.46 | trixter | right that is nothing |
| 10:56.50 | trixter | you cant get a meal for that here |
| 10:56.52 | implicit | man that is cheap as hell |
| 10:57.05 | freezer | trixter: that was my point ^ |
| 10:57.07 | trixter | $5 at wendys, $5.5-6 at mcdonalds and $7.50 at carls jr |
| 10:57.11 | Gladius | yeah, but in romania, a salary of 500 euro/month is considered big :) |
| 10:57.27 | trixter | ya know I was talkngi to someone from there and they were telling me that people made more |
| 10:57.47 | trixter | 500 EUR is also nothing I could make that off the interest (and then some) of my lawsuit gainst the US |
| 10:57.55 | implicit | Gladius, i know some romanians making $8000 euro /month |
| 10:58.03 | trixter | they already admitted they were wrong and infact their latest court filing dug em in deeper |
| 10:58.06 | benjk | Gladius: I used to work in Bucharest |
| 10:58.08 | trixter | which kinda shocked me |
| 10:58.11 | Gladius | implicit, yeah, maybe bank directors or something |
| 10:58.22 | freezer | working as abroad manager in an foreign country like china would be nice |
| 10:58.29 | implicit | Gladius, i dont know, they were telling me that it was pretty normal |
| 10:58.35 | Gladius | in bucharest, wages are 200 euro more than the rest of the country |
| 10:58.38 | implicit | Gladius, that there are a lot of ones around there |
| 10:58.42 | trixter | that is closer to what I was told is fairly normal |
| 10:58.49 | trixter | from someone totally unrelated but also only 18 |
| 10:58.54 | trixter | and afaik never had a job |
| 10:59.01 | freezer | earn normal us/europe income but have all the cheap prices there : |
| 10:59.02 | freezer | :D |
| 10:59.09 | trixter | I get the impression her parents are wealthy though |
| 10:59.15 | Gladius | implicit, it's hard to make 8000$/month in the USA, in romania, it's nearly impossible |
| 10:59.17 | benjk | Gladius: do you know Connex Go? |
| 10:59.19 | trixter | although she wont admit it that is the way it sounds based on other stuff |
| 10:59.29 | Gladius | and no, the prices aren't cheap here |
| 10:59.41 | Gladius | benjk, yeah, I know Connex |
| 10:59.53 | freezer | ok |
| 10:59.54 | implicit | Gladius, it is not hard to make $8000/month in USA |
| 10:59.57 | Gladius | they just got bought by Vodaphone |
| 10:59.59 | benjk | I was in charge of launching Connex Go |
| 11:00.07 | freezer | i will drive now and get some cheeseburgers =) |
| 11:00.08 | implicit | Gladius, unless you work at McDonalds |
| 11:00.15 | trixter | freezer: dont forget the shake |
| 11:00.23 | freezer | trixter: ^^ |
| 11:00.32 | trixter | dcc it to me when you get back |
| 11:00.33 | trixter | :) |
| 11:00.45 | Gladius | implicit, please come to romania. If you make 6000$/month after 3 years, I'll commit suicide in your front |
| 11:00.47 | freezer | ASCII or binary mode? X) |
| 11:01.01 | implicit | Gladius, i don't want you to commit suicide |
| 11:01.06 | implicit | Gladius, just to find nice romanian girls |
| 11:01.13 | implicit | Gladius, deal? |
| 11:01.20 | trixter | Gladius: does that go for me too? cause I bet I can make that much per month legally even :) |
| 11:01.40 | implicit | trixter, same here, 6000 is way low |
| 11:01.43 | Gladius | implicit, relax. Chances of me commiting suicide in front of you, because you make 6000$/month are the same as being hit by a comet twice the same day, then being struck by lightning 5 times |
| 11:01.50 | trixter | I am in the process of trying to set stuff up so I dont have to be anywhere specific to work.. cause that is the easiest way to do it, and my lawsuit money will help abunch on that regard :) |
| 11:02.19 | implicit | Gladius, you are telling me there are no entrepreneurs who make $6000/month? |
| 11:02.20 | implicit | lol |
| 11:02.22 | implicit | no way in hell |
| 11:02.40 | Gladius | there may be, but you can count them on the fingers :) |
| 11:02.55 | implicit | Gladius, you better get an 11th finger if i'm coming then |
| 11:02.55 | trixter | I heard from my russian friends that 500/mo there could be a reasonable life |
| 11:03.01 | Gladius | at least in my 100.000 people city |
| 11:03.06 | trixter | so if the economy is similar then it wouldnt be that different |
| 11:03.13 | implicit | trixter, no doubt |
| 11:03.15 | trixter | he siad average wage was 500 so it wouldnt take much more than that to live very well |
| 11:03.30 | Gladius | yes, reasonable life = 10.000 euro car, 50.000 euro apartment, after 10 years of work |
| 11:03.48 | trixter | Gladius: I only have 5 fingers ... so I bet that I cant count em on my fingers |
| 11:03.48 | trixter | :P |
| 11:04.02 | Gladius | actually, 10 years of hard saving |
| 11:04.07 | Gladius | and no vacation |
| 11:04.08 | trixter | abc news is doing a thing on falling home prices here |
| 11:04.36 | trixter | wow if that is it I could live like a king once I get my lawsuit :D |
| 11:04.44 | trixter | and with some hawtie chickies that may be the place for me |
| 11:04.47 | trixter | how is the internet there? |
| 11:05.59 | trixter | Gladius: ? |
| 11:06.28 | Gladius | internet... |
| 11:06.35 | trixter | wow only 16% flat tax there? |
| 11:06.37 | trixter | that isnt bad |
| 11:06.43 | trixter | cant be heavily socialist like some places |
| 11:06.44 | Gladius | 10$/month for a crappy 256 kbit line |
| 11:06.49 | benjk | Gladius: I am sure the pimps in Herastrau make more than 6000 USD per month |
| 11:07.03 | Gladius | benjk, yeah, they probably do :)) |
| 11:07.14 | Gladius | but I wouldn't bet on it |
| 11:07.44 | Gladius | and by 256 kbit crappy line, I actually mean crappy. You hardly reach 128 kbit |
| 11:07.51 | trixter | the corrupt government officials that let off the pimps and drug dealers prolly make more than 6k/mo :) |
| 11:08.02 | trixter | Gladius: anything faster? $10 isnt that much money |
| 11:08.04 | Gladius | trixter, yeah, they do :) |
| 11:08.09 | Gladius | there are faster line |
| 11:08.17 | trixter | for basically what price? |
| 11:08.23 | Gladius | 20... 30... 40 |
| 11:08.26 | trixter | talking home service here |
| 11:08.30 | Gladius | depends how deep your pocket is |
| 11:08.47 | trixter | lets say 80 EUR/mo for home service |
| 11:08.56 | Gladius | if you really need fast internet, nobody stops you from paying 10% of your income |
| 11:09.01 | Gladius | or even more :) |
| 11:09.14 | Gladius | for 80 euro you get 2 mbit |
| 11:09.22 | trixter | what is the effective? |
| 11:09.22 | Gladius | adsl |
| 11:09.42 | trixter | wow that is actually faster than here |
| 11:09.46 | Gladius | well, it's around 1 mbit :) |
| 11:09.56 | Gladius | trixter, where are you from ? |
| 11:09.57 | trixter | I cant get faster than 1.5Mbps |
| 11:10.01 | trixter | america |
| 11:10.05 | Gladius | :)) |
| 11:10.18 | Gladius | I have a friend in germany who has 8 mbit for 30 euro :) |
| 11:10.18 | benjk | Gladius: where do you live? Bucharest? |
| 11:10.22 | Gladius | no, Sibiu |
| 11:10.29 | benjk | ah, ok |
| 11:10.50 | benjk | well, we have 100Mbit full duplex here in Japan for 50 USD a month |
| 11:11.00 | trixter | any caps? |
| 11:11.01 | Gladius | I've heard about it |
| 11:11.14 | Gladius | I also heard that in japan, the prices are astronimical |
| 11:11.18 | Gladius | for everything else :) |
| 11:11.38 | Gladius | and the salaries, also big |
| 11:11.50 | benjk | no caps |
| 11:11.51 | Gladius | so practically, for them life isn't expensive |
| 11:12.08 | Gladius | but if you come from europe to japan.... |
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| 11:12.31 | puzzled | morning |
| 11:12.59 | backblue | 50 USD? omg |
| 11:13.10 | trixter | wow I have to talk to a friend then |
| 11:13.15 | backblue | here in portugal i have 16Mb adsl for about 34 EUROS |
| 11:13.30 | trixter | just to be clear $50USD 100Mbps no caps in japan correct? |
| 11:14.02 | Gladius | trixter, I've heard that in some cities of japan you can get 1mbit for 50$ |
| 11:14.05 | trixter | or is the speed off (it scrolled off) |
| 11:14.09 | trixter | too lazy to check logs |
| 11:14.12 | backblue | thats about 40USD |
| 11:14.28 | trixter | ahh only 1Mbps? that is nothing |
| 11:14.50 | mutilator | heh |
| 11:15.06 | mutilator | you're nuts |
| 11:17.20 | benjk | yes, about 5500 yen or so for 100Mbit/sec full duplex without any caps |
| 11:17.26 | benjk | that's with USEN |
| 11:17.48 | trixter | what are colo fees like? |
| 11:17.49 | benjk | a company that started life as a cable pirate radio station |
| 11:18.09 | benjk | the colo fees are uhm OUTRAGEOUS |
| 11:18.20 | trixter | a friend is looking at moving his server from where it is to somewhere else and ... bleh |
| 11:18.24 | trixter | that makes it not suitable then |
| 11:18.52 | benjk | well, if we can get a few folks together to share, it might still be worth while exploring |
| 11:19.10 | benjk | the Japanese colo facilities only rent entire racks |
| 11:19.19 | benjk | or if you are lucky they offer half racks |
| 11:19.25 | trixter | is that a link to a house or something? or is that just bandwidth charges seperate from any transmission lines? |
| 11:19.38 | trixter | half racks here arent that expensive |
| 11:19.44 | trixter | even full ones arent that bad |
| 11:20.02 | benjk | half rack is about 2000 USD per month inclusive of electricity charges |
| 11:20.22 | benjk | you could probably negotiate that down a little |
| 11:20.31 | benjk | like 10-15% or so I guess |
| 11:20.38 | trixter | but then you get 10 peopel sharing that bandwidth and some of em decide to bittorrent or whatever and it gets sucked dry fast.. or people cant pay some month and everyone has to cough up more or everyone is out... that type of stuff |
| 11:20.40 | trixter | makes it bad |
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| 11:21.05 | trixter | well for that type of bandwidth and a half rack I was looking at $2400/mo so its still cheaper there |
| 11:21.20 | trixter | here its $2k for the bandwidth and $400 for the half rack |
| 11:21.22 | Akelavlk | Hello has anyone esperience with TxFax? |
| 11:21.25 | benjk | yes, but do you really need all that high security, earthquake proof up to magnitude 10 etc etc etc luxury? |
| 11:21.28 | trixter | so its just backwards |
| 11:21.38 | trixter | ahh yeah you are mag 10 there |
| 11:21.41 | trixter | we typically are mag 8 here |
| 11:21.58 | benjk | so if we could just buy a second hand rack |
| 11:22.07 | benjk | and put it up in a small office some place |
| 11:22.42 | benjk | or even an apartment for Japanese business men who stay in Tokyo during the week |
| 11:22.52 | benjk | like a bed with a roof |
| 11:23.11 | benjk | just one tiny little room, no window or tiny window, no bathroom |
| 11:23.22 | trixter | climate problems? |
| 11:23.27 | trixter | wouldnt want the room to overheat |
| 11:23.36 | Akelavlk | Has anyone experience with FAx and Asterisk? |
| 11:23.36 | benjk | you could put a rack up there and order the fibre |
| 11:23.53 | benjk | well, we have airconditioners over here :-) |
| 11:24.04 | trixter | wouldnt that cost a bunch though? |
| 11:24.08 | trixter | how much is electricity? |
| 11:24.25 | backblue | Akelavlk: i'm doing that now. |
| 11:24.25 | benjk | maybe an extra 100 for electricity |
| 11:24.59 | benjk | those guys you know who I am talking about are desperate for Japanese DIDs |
| 11:25.07 | Akelavlk | backblue: Hmm, I have already build it.. But problem is that sometimes it's not calling next priority. |
| 11:25.07 | benjk | but they are not willing to host |
| 11:25.19 | benjk | we could offset the cost by selling them a few hundred DIDs |
| 11:26.14 | benjk | Akelavik: are you using SpanDSP ? |
| 11:26.32 | Akelavlk | benjk, Yes, SpanDSP.. |
| 11:27.25 | Akelavlk | It's working, but sometimes when sending is finished, system does not call next extension or priority.. |
| 11:30.01 | trixter | benjk: hwo nuch for the apartment? |
| 11:30.41 | benjk | Akelavik: its a little early, only 7:30pm in HK, if you come back in a few hours, Steve (SpanDSP author) will be here (and also in #openpbx), his nickname is coppice |
| 11:30.57 | benjk | trixter: pm |
| 11:31.17 | Akelavlk | Thanks a lot. |
| 11:33.08 | {zombie} | Akelavlk: it won't call the next priority, you need to use the 'h' (hangup) priority - if you're doing what I think you're doing |
| 11:34.13 | Akelavlk | exten => 1,1,TxFax(${TXFAX_NAME}|caller) |
| 11:34.14 | Akelavlk | exten => 1,2,Agi(agi://127.0.0.1/fax_check_ok.php#${TXFAX_NAME}) |
| 11:34.22 | Akelavlk | Next extension is not calling.. |
| 11:34.41 | Akelavlk | It's whole extension. No other extension is calling.. |
| 11:35.40 | Akelavlk | How should I use h priority? |
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| 11:41.19 | {zombie} | use 1,h,Agi instead of 1,2,Agi |
| 11:41.25 | {zombie} | so it runs when the call has been hung up |
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| 11:42.41 | kmilitzer | As there seem to be some more people in here right now, that are awake, I try to get my problem solved again. I need to loop a zaptel channel for use in an asterisk channel driver (chan_ss7 from sifira)? Can anyone help me with that? |
| 11:47.21 | dokhench | zttool can loop the zap interfaces if that is what you are needing. |
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| 11:48.16 | kmilitzer | dokhench: No, I need to loop a single channel, not the whole interface or span ... |
| 11:50.30 | dokhench | hmmm. you could use Echo to loop a single channel i suppose. |
| 11:51.19 | dokhench | kmilitzer, http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/index.php?page=Asterisk+cmd+Echo |
| 11:51.31 | dokhench | that more along the lines of what you are looking for? |
| 11:54.32 | BadKnees | Got a problem i can't figure out. I have a asterisk with pri connection. Audio from pstn to ip is allways good. Audio from ip to pstn is allways ticked in a real call. If i monitor the call on the asterisk the quality is perfect both ways. Even if a listen to i over pstn. So a recordin->pstn is good. recording->ip is good. But ip->pstn is bad. Whats going on here? |
| 11:54.55 | BadKnees | pstn->ip is good |
| 11:55.30 | kmilitzer | dokhench: No, that is to far into asterisk. I need to loop the channel, when asterisk does not even know, that it will existst, but still use the chan_ss7 to do it. So I need to add something in chan_ss7.c to make it work |
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| 12:18.38 | steff | what is best to use with avm card chan_capi or chan_capi_cm? |
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| 12:19.42 | Gladius | I have a problem with the queue. I can only hear the MOH while an agent's phone is ringing. Is this a bug or a feature ? |
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| 12:31.29 | Inkubot | how can i manage my E1 channels ? |
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| 12:40.47 | Gladius | anybody alive ? |
| 12:41.04 | Gladius | preferably someone who knows to work with queues :) |
| 12:41.30 | viperdude | hi Gladius |
| 12:41.42 | Gladius | hey viperdude |
| 12:41.56 | Gladius | did you see my message above ? |
| 12:42.00 | Gladius | I have a problem with the queue. I can only hear the MOH while an agent's phone is ringing. Is this a bug or a feature ? |
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| 12:42.45 | viperdude | sounds like a bug, in my queues the MOH plays all the time |
| 12:44.13 | Gladius | :( |
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| 12:48.04 | jahani | asterisk support G711 codec ? |
| 12:48.11 | Gladius | yes |
| 12:48.25 | jahani | ok thx |
| 12:48.56 | jahani | and G729 ? |
| 12:49.20 | Gladius | don't think so |
| 12:49.25 | Gladius | you need a license for it |
| 12:49.42 | Gladius | you could look at the wiki for detailed info on this |
| 12:50.31 | jahani | ok |
| 12:50.32 | jahani | thank you |
| 12:51.21 | jahani | how can i remove the extention when making outgoing call |
| 12:51.32 | tzafrir_laptop | asterisk supports it. but only if you have the proper codec installed. And that generally require a (yuck) license for that patented codec |
| 12:51.33 | jahani | so i want to make call directelly with the number without 9 |
| 12:51.47 | tzafrir_laptop | use gsm/ilbc/speex instead |
| 12:51.52 | jahani | ok |
| 12:52.05 | jahani | thx |
| 12:52.17 | tzafrir_laptop | jahani, read about extensions.conf syntax / dialplan configuration |
| 12:54.32 | Gladius | tzafrir_laptop, do you have any experience with queues ? |
| 12:54.50 | tzafrir_laptop | jahani, start here: http://voip-info.org/wiki/index.php?page=Asterisk+config+extensions.conf , and I have no experince with queues |
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| 13:04.59 | coppice | no experience with queues == not british |
| 13:05.10 | Gladius | :)) |
| 13:05.54 | Ikarus | hehehe |
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| 13:13.59 | tzafrir_laptop | coppice, those kind of queues: sure. Though being an Israelis I've know some other methods of manipulaing queues |
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| 13:16.55 | asteriskmonkey | does anyone here use polycom phones? |
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| 13:20.19 | jahani | ok thank you tzafrir_laptop |
| 13:29.06 | kll | how do I set the calleridnum? I've tried "SetCallerID(123)", SetCallerIDNum(123) but it doesn't seem to work... |
| 13:30.29 | syle | Set(CALLERID(number)='123') |
| 13:32.04 | ManxPower | SetCIDNum should work. |
| 13:32.10 | ManxPower | "show applications like caller" |
| 13:32.34 | syle | and you;ll just get a deprecated message if you use them, use what i said |
| 13:32.38 | ManxPower | If you are using 1.2 then the Set(CALLERID(number)='123') shoule work |
| 13:34.35 | kll | hmpf, now my asterisk just died. |
| 13:36.18 | mrtwister | hello.. zap configured, outbound numbers just fine... on inbound calls have this problem: -- Accepting overlap call from '42037060697012' to '420' on channel 0/31, span 1 |
| 13:36.18 | mrtwister | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:36.18 | mrtwister | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:38.20 | bsdfreak | anyone had their sipura 3000 think it's relaying dtmf tones from the pstn call when in reality it's interpreting someone's voice as dtmf and beeping during the conversation? |
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| 13:39.39 | ManxPower | mrtwister, looks like you have immediate=yes or overlapdialing=yes |
| 13:39.54 | ManxPower | bsdfreak, It's called "talkoff" |
| 13:40.03 | Skymarshal | hi, has anything changed with the addmailbox script? it doesn't work any more on 1.2.1. |
| 13:40.12 | bsdfreak | manxpower: how do you prevent it |
| 13:40.48 | ManxPower | bsdfreak, not much you can do about it if it's not Asterisk doing the PSTN/VoIP conversion. Check the SIPura support stuff. |
| 13:41.05 | ManxPower | Skymarshal, you have not needed it since like 0.65 |
| 13:41.44 | Skymarshal | manxpower: so i just configure voicemail.conf and that is all? |
| 13:41.54 | ManxPower | Skymarshal, correct. |
| 13:42.32 | kll | syle/manxpower: Set(CALLERID(number)='123' doesn't seem to work... |
| 13:42.40 | kll | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:42.43 | kll | Dec 12 20:45:09 ERROR[8259]: pbx.c:1393 ast_func_write: Function CALLERID not registered |
| 13:43.04 | Skymarshal | manxpower: is this correct or am i missing something: |
| 13:43.06 | Skymarshal | [general] |
| 13:43.08 | Skymarshal | format=wav |
| 13:43.09 | Skymarshal | [local] |
| 13:43.11 | Skymarshal | 200=>4711,Bart Simpson,bar@example.com |
| 13:43.11 | syle | upgrade your asterisk |
| 13:43.12 | ManxPower | kll, What version of Asterisk are you using? |
| 13:43.12 | Skymarshal | 201=>0815,Homer Simpson,homer@exaple.com |
| 13:43.22 | ManxPower | Skymarshal, DO NOT FLOOD THE CHANNEL! |
| 13:43.25 | kll | ManxPower: Asterisk 1.2.0-rc2 built by root @ iptel1 on a i686 running Linux on 2005-11-15 15:30:48 UTC |
| 13:44.02 | ManxPower | Skymarshal, perhaps you need a space around the => |
| 13:44.16 | ManxPower | Skymarshal, also your line doesn't look right |
| 13:44.16 | kll | ManxPower: perhaps I need some module for this.. this asterisk conf is pretty stripped down.. |
| 13:44.41 | ManxPower | kll, I don't know. SetCIDNum works for me in 1.0.x and 1.2.x |
| 13:44.51 | syle | vi /etc/asterisk/modules.conf |
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| 13:46.18 | kll | syle: yeah, load=app_setcallerid.so ; Set CallerID Application |
| 13:46.21 | kll | :) |
| 13:46.27 | ManxPower | 3021 => 1234,John DeMajo,,5045551212@vtext.com,|tz=central |
| 13:46.31 | syle | kll i don;t see any practical use in setting callerid in extensions.conf , use sip, zap or iax conf files |
| 13:46.52 | kll | syle: it's for incoming calls on a pri |
| 13:47.14 | kll | when the calls come from the pri they are missing a leading zero |
| 13:47.30 | ManxPower | kll, Did you look at the various pri dialplan things? |
| 13:47.36 | kll | so for example 031123456 look like 31123456 on the phone |
| 13:47.54 | kll | ManxPower: "pri dialplan things" ?? ;) |
| 13:48.14 | kll | I just want to prefix the current callerid with a zero, how would I go about doing this? :) |
| 13:48.43 | mutilator | setcidnum(0${CALLERIDNUM}) |
| 13:48.49 | ManxPower | /etc/asterisk/zaptel.conf pridialplan=unknown localprefix= nationalprefix= etc |
| 13:49.12 | mutilator | quick fix anyway |
| 13:49.35 | ManxPower | around line 84 in zapata.conf.sample in the Asterisk source |
| 13:50.19 | kll | ManxPower: what can I do with those? |
| 13:50.31 | kll | ManxPower: zapata can do all this automatically for me? |
| 13:51.12 | ManxPower | kll, I don't know. But it's worth looking at those options. |
| 13:51.16 | ManxPower | ~docs |
| 13:51.24 | jbot | somebody said docs was probably Documentation can be found at http://www.digium.com/index.php?menu=documentation or http://www.digium.com/handbook-draft.pdf or http://www.voip-info.org/wiki-Asterisk or http://www.asteriskdocs.org or http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/asterisk or http://www.asteriskguru.com |
| 13:51.24 | ManxPower | ~mailinglist |
| 13:51.26 | jbot | mailinglist is, like, Search Asterisk mailing lists by prepending site:lists.digium.com to your Google search. Browse the mailing list archive at http://lists.digium.com/ or search through it at http://www.asteriskguru.com/archives/search.php |
| 13:51.33 | kll | gah |
| 13:51.33 | kll | ;) |
| 13:52.13 | ManxPower | We don't have that local/national stuff in the USA 8-) |
| 13:52.49 | fugitivo | i have a similar problem |
| 13:53.03 | kll | ManxPower: you don't? so you dial like ten digits all the time? |
| 13:53.05 | fugitivo | here, mobile phones, are prefixed with 15, but the callerid is received without that prefix |
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| 13:53.33 | ManxPower | kll, no, 7-digits, 10 digits, or 11digits, but CALLERID is always 10 digits |
| 13:53.37 | fugitivo | so if you want to call back that number, it'll give you an error, that the number doesn't exists |
| 13:54.14 | kll | ManxPower: kk |
| 13:56.41 | Gladius | do you know how can I get the SIP user ? |
| 13:56.54 | Gladius | what's the variable for this ? I can't find it on the wiki |
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| 13:59.32 | ManxPower | Gladius, I'm not sure there is a variable for this. |
| 14:00.07 | ManxPower | You could look at README.variables in the Asterisk source or "show applications like sip" in the Asterisk CLI to see if something like that was added to 1.2x |
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| 14:01.21 | Gladius | ManxPower, I want to be able to log in an agent automatically, he just has to dial a number and he's loged in |
| 14:01.57 | Gladius | and my idea was to do something line AgentCallbackLogin(${SIP_ID}, ${SIP_ID}@context) |
| 14:03.46 | Katty | morning. |
| 14:03.56 | Gladius | hello Katty |
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| 14:20.15 | bsdfreak | hmm |
| 14:22.33 | lehel | hello |
| 14:22.55 | tzafrir_laptop | hi |
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| 14:24.52 | iCEBrkr | I truely hate this bullshit nickserv crap |
| 14:24.56 | iCEBrkr | I always have |
| 14:25.14 | iCEBrkr | I know. It's monday |
| 14:25.16 | iCEBrkr | I'm grumpy |
| 14:26.37 | Gladius | can someone give me an example of regex usage on asterisk ? |
| 14:26.57 | Gladius | it just doesn't work the way I'm trying |
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| 14:29.13 | tzafrir_laptop | Gladius, give an example of what you try that doesn't work |
| 14:29.40 | Gladius | exten => 3001,1,NoOp(${CHANNEL} : "^(sip|SIP)/+(-....)") |
| 14:30.39 | Gladius | Executing NoOp("SIP/bruno-phone-5c96", "SIP/bruno-phone-5c96 : "^(sip|SIP)/+(-....)"") in new stack |
| 14:30.52 | Gladius | I need to extract bruno-phone from there |
| 14:31.15 | mutilator | DrukenWrk! |
| 14:31.17 | mutilator | fix teh stream |
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| 14:43.33 | iCEBrkr | Geesh.. 1.2.1 already? |
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| 14:44.05 | trixter | could be worse could be 1.2.3 already :P |
| 14:44.22 | [TK]D-Fender | iCEBrkr : Of course. First they tell everyone to test before releasing 1.2 (we don't). Everyone upgrades immediately to 1.2 and the the bugs show up in droves, and then we DL the stable version :) |
| 14:44.34 | iCEBrkr | [TK]D-Fender: Typical |
| 14:44.47 | [TK]D-Fender | very |
| 14:45.05 | Katty | <rant>why does FOP deadlock my server so much? :< </rant> |
| 14:45.12 | Katty | <rant> :<<<<< </rant> |
| 14:45.14 | iCEBrkr | I guess there's nothing wrong with releasing often. |
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| 14:45.35 | iCEBrkr | Katty: cuz FOP is POS |
| 14:45.49 | Katty | iCEBrkr: perhaps, but it does a nice job when it works. |
| 14:45.56 | iCEBrkr | I Guess I can't argue that |
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| 14:46.33 | Katty | http://www.webcon.net/~izaah/vegan/2005/12/purple-blueberry-muffins.html <- latest and greatest in the world of Katty. |
| 14:46.48 | Seldon1975 | whats the comkmand to see a list of calls in progress? |
| 14:46.56 | Seldon1975 | help |
| 14:47.03 | Katty | sip show channels? |
| 14:47.07 | ManxPower | show channels |
| 14:47.16 | Seldon1975 | thanks |
| 14:47.26 | iCEBrkr | Katty: That's pretty sad if that's all ya got going on :P~~ |
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| 14:48.09 | iDunno | show channels is nice :) |
| 14:48.14 | BadKnees | I have nat=>yes and qualify=>yes for a two peers. One is ok for sip and rtp. But the other is only ok for sip, not for rtp. The sip packets are sent to the nat address but the rtp is sent to the internal address found in the sip packet. Is this a bug? |
| 14:48.17 | Seldon1975 | yeah |
| 14:48.20 | jontow | question.. say i attach a plantronics headset adapter to a SNOM 320 .. and i end up with a loud hum on the line only when the headset is connected; is that an impedance issue? |
| 14:48.23 | Seldon1975 | its so voyeuristic |
| 14:48.30 | jontow | ie. 600 ohms not matched between the headset and the phone? |
| 14:48.38 | ManxPower | Use 1,992 for WD-40: "Helps remove stuck prosthetic leg" |
| 14:48.44 | Gladius | exten => 3001,1,NoOp([ "${CHANNEL}" : "^(sip|SIP)/+(-....$)" ]) still doesn't evaluate |
| 14:48.48 | jontow | ManxPower: thats just not right :) |
| 14:49.03 | ManxPower | http://www.twbc.org/wd40.htm |
| 14:49.17 | Katty | iCEBrkr: well, i started decorating the yule tree. |
| 14:49.26 | Katty | iCEBrkr: it's all shiny :> |
| 14:49.29 | iCEBrkr | lol |
| 14:49.34 | Katty | iCEBrkr: with clear and red lights, and little fruit ornaments. |
| 14:49.44 | *** join/#asterisk marc32422 (n=marc3234@206-248-153-205.dsl.teksavvy.com) |
| 14:49.45 | Katty | iCEBrkr: and frosted pinecones too :>>> |
| 14:50.01 | Katty | iCEBrkr: oh, and i went grocery shopping ;) |
| 14:50.09 | iCEBrkr | Katty: I'm not much better. The only thing I got going on-- I redid my webpage. |
| 14:50.11 | [TK]D-Fender | Gladius : your missing the first $ <- |
| 14:50.20 | Katty | iCEBrkr: i did that this morning, well.. updats. |
| 14:50.21 | iCEBrkr | Katty: yea, and I did laundry last night.. w00t |
| 14:50.26 | Katty | iCEBrkr: yay for laundry! |
| 14:50.30 | iCEBrkr | Katty: Oh, I did a complete redesign |
| 14:50.34 | [TK]D-Fender | <Gladius> exten => 3001,1,NoOp($[ "${CHANNEL}" : "^(sip|SIP)/+(-....$)" ]) still doesn't evaluate |
| 14:50.35 | Katty | iCEBrkr: yum. |
| 14:50.36 | marc32422 | i need to create context using * realtime. |
| 14:50.38 | Katty | iCEBrkr: it's it hotttt now? |
| 14:50.44 | iCEBrkr | I'm still in the process of re-adding all 2000+ pictures to my album |
| 14:50.55 | marc32422 | without having to put switch/realtime in extensions.conf for each context. |
| 14:50.56 | iCEBrkr | Katty: Oh, it's HOTTTTTT baby.. |
| 14:51.07 | Katty | iCEBrkr: :>>>>>>>> |
| 14:51.15 | *** join/#asterisk doughecka_ (n=Miranda@unaffiliated/doughecka) |
| 14:51.16 | file | marc32422: you can't |
| 14:51.18 | iCEBrkr | *shameless plug* http://www.cyberdyne.org/~icebrkr |
| 14:52.23 | Gladius | [TK]D-Fender: what first $ ? |
| 14:52.36 | [TK]D-Fender | Gladius Befor your first "[" |
| 14:52.39 | marc32422 | file-- so that part of it is not realtime??? |
| 14:52.48 | jlewis | anyone know why this happens from time to time? |
| 14:52.49 | jlewis | Status: Provisioned, Down, Active |
| 14:52.55 | [TK]D-Fender | look at what I bolded when I copied and corrected your line. |
| 14:52.56 | jlewis | Pri still works |
| 14:53.43 | Gladius | [TK]D-Fender: I don't see anything bold |
| 14:54.10 | [TK]D-Fender | Right after the NoOp <---- |
| 14:54.14 | [TK]D-Fender | UGH!!! |
| 14:54.28 | [TK]D-Fender | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:54.42 | [TK]D-Fender | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:54.46 | [TK]D-Fender | $ !!!!! |
| 14:55.07 | Gladius | [TK]D-Fender: ok, I see it now, but it doesn't appear bold on my client :) thanx |
| 14:55.11 | [TK]D-Fender | $!! |
| 14:55.19 | [TK]D-Fender | :D |
| 14:55.22 | [TK]D-Fender | all better now? |
| 14:58.08 | Gladius | [TK]D-Fender: now at least evaluates to nothing :) Executing NoOp("SIP/bruno-phone-2959", "") in new stack |
| 14:58.53 | iCEBrkr | Ummm, this changelog isn't any different than 1.2.0 |
| 15:00.11 | *** join/#asterisk pa (n=Paolo@unaffiliated/pa) |
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| 15:04.06 | rob0 | Mother was NOT a saint. Dial "mom" on your telephone. ;) :) |
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| 15:09.59 | docE | ICE! |
| 15:10.04 | iCEBrkr | whutup |
| 15:10.12 | docE | nada.. Just doin my thing.. |
| 15:10.15 | iCEBrkr | Me too. |
| 15:10.22 | iCEBrkr | I'm sitting here waiting for my phone to ring |
| 15:10.24 | iCEBrkr | :( |
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| 15:10.31 | iCEBrkr | and browsing digg.com |
| 15:10.46 | Seldon1975 | asterisk |
| 15:11.41 | Seldon1975 | exit |
| 15:11.42 | Katty | iCEBrkr: RINGRING |
| 15:11.48 | iCEBrkr | Katty: I wish. |
| 15:11.52 | Katty | iCEBrkr: oh, actually. i don't think i can do that. |
| 15:11.55 | iCEBrkr | Seldon1975: wrong window!! |
| 15:11.59 | Katty | iCEBrkr: i don't have an iax number for you. |
| 15:12.05 | docE | I am building out my analog extensions on my Asterisk Server.. Gonna try testing Modem dialing over asterisk |
| 15:12.07 | *** join/#asterisk phpboy (i=johnson@196.26.21.108) |
| 15:12.43 | docE | Im also gonna code a paging addon module for asterisk.. I found a bug in app_page.so |
| 15:12.53 | iCEBrkr | Katty: If ya did, It'd ring at home :PP |
| 15:12.58 | phpboy | hello friends... I connect to an asterisk server through NAT... I connect fine and I can make phone calls... but both phones don't get sound :< |
| 15:13.08 | fugitivo | docE: why don't you fix app_page.so before starting to code a new one? |
| 15:13.09 | phpboy | softphone to pstn |
| 15:13.15 | *** part/#asterisk jake1932 (n=jake1932@pool-68-162-123-228.phil.east.verizon.net) |
| 15:13.23 | iCEBrkr | fugitivo: cuz he's a hack :P |
| 15:13.28 | Katty | iCEBrkr: i see, i see. |
| 15:13.32 | phpboy | ah, and my SIP extentions are NAT activated |
| 15:13.49 | docE | I am not gonna code a new one.. Just code a quick php fix for it. fugitivo what happens is that the person paging is also called the way it is now.. I am gonna remove this person and add everyone else. |
| 15:14.12 | iCEBrkr | Katty: Tho, I should make my SIP phone here at work have an extension on my asterisk box |
| 15:14.30 | phpboy | P.S. I love you guys!!! |
| 15:14.53 | docE | phpboy, um, chill.. Whats your issue? |
| 15:15.04 | docE | No Audio or 1 way audio? |
| 15:15.25 | phpboy | docE: well.. I experience 1 way audio |
| 15:15.52 | Katty | phpboy: let's not forget the girls. |
| 15:16.10 | phpboy | so... Caller(NAT)(can't hear audio) ----> Receiver(can hear audio) |
| 15:16.19 | phpboy | Katty: I love you too :D |
| 15:16.31 | Katty | phpboy: kthx. |
| 15:16.36 | phpboy | np :D |
| 15:16.45 | phpboy | I'm all about love :D |
| 15:16.47 | docE | Your having a NAT Issue. Does your sip endpoints have NAT=YES in them? |
| 15:17.00 | phpboy | affirmative |
| 15:17.31 | docE | have you done a sip show channels to make sure they were trying with the same codec? Also do you have canreinvite=no set? |
| 15:18.03 | Seldon1975 | can someone tell me the specific difference between exten=>DIal and exten=>Goto |
| 15:18.19 | Katty | all you need is love! do do do de do |
| 15:18.24 | phpboy | canreinvite=no --- I don't have this what does it do? |
| 15:18.40 | [TK]D-Fender | Gladius : Try removing the excess quotes.... |
| 15:18.42 | Katty | phpboy: i have that set to yes. |
| 15:18.43 | docE | keeps asterisk in the media stream |
| 15:18.51 | Katty | phpboy: why i have it set to yes, i don't remember. |
| 15:19.00 | phpboy | Seldon1975: dial sends a dial command to which ever channel u tell it to.... goto tells it to goto which ever step you wish |
| 15:19.11 | iCEBrkr | Seldon1975: Um. Goto() jumps somewhere and Dial() dials something?? |
| 15:19.17 | Katty | phpboy: i think i changed it back when i was setting up the ability to record calls. |
| 15:19.24 | Katty | phpboy: but i'll check (= |
| 15:19.33 | Seldon1975 | doesnt Goto transfer the call? |
| 15:19.37 | iCEBrkr | Seldon1975: Not quite sure where the confusion is here. |
| 15:19.41 | iCEBrkr | Seldon1975: No |
| 15:19.54 | iCEBrkr | Seldon1975: Goto GOES TO somewhere in your dialplan. |
| 15:20.13 | Katty | phpboy: ;canreinvite=yes ; allow RTP voice traffic to bypass Asterisk |
| 15:20.24 | Seldon1975 | ok |
| 15:20.29 | Seldon1975 | so its not at all like Dial |
| 15:20.34 | Katty | phpboy: ;canreinvite=no ; Typically set to NO if behind NAT |
| 15:20.47 | phpboy | well, mines set to NO |
| 15:20.55 | docE | hmmmmm |
| 15:20.57 | Katty | phpboy: mine are too. |
| 15:21.04 | phpboy | Any other suggestions as to what the problem might be? |
| 15:21.10 | Katty | phpboy: must have been something else i set to yes. |
| 15:21.11 | docE | What sip ATA's are you using? |
| 15:21.21 | iCEBrkr | Seldon1975: Yea, that's why there's that spiffy page on the Wiki that describes EVERY application/command in Asterisk :P |
| 15:21.44 | Seldon1975 | if I do exten=>t,1,Dial(SIP/201,20) exten=>t,2,Dial(SIP/202,20) will it transfer to 202 after ringing 201 for 20 seconds? |
| 15:21.51 | phpboy | docE: it's SIP(X-lite or Swissphone(I've tried with both)) to PSTN |
| 15:22.30 | docE | hmm.. Xlite is tricky.. I dont remember all the settings I had to put in it to make it work.. |
| 15:22.39 | docE | Never used Swissphone.. |
| 15:22.40 | iCEBrkr | Seldon1975: Depends if Asterisk still does n+101 priority jumping |
| 15:22.44 | docE | Do you have a hardATA? |
| 15:22.57 | phpboy | docE: hardATA? |
| 15:23.07 | iCEBrkr | Seldon1975: I think it'll just fall through and after your first extension fails to answer, it'll dial the second one |
| 15:23.08 | docE | linksys, sipura, grandstream |
| 15:23.09 | docE | etc |
| 15:23.29 | phpboy | nope |
| 15:23.42 | docE | Cause as it stands.. I believe the issue is in your softphone config.. |
| 15:23.46 | *** join/#asterisk Cinen (n=Cinen@vpn.triadtelecom.com) |
| 15:23.57 | docE | Personally I dont like them.. I find they are a pain in the ass to configure |
| 15:24.39 | *** join/#asterisk mhnoyes (n=mhnoyes@user-2ivfl89.dialup.mindspring.com) |
| 15:24.40 | phpboy | I doubt it, because I have the problem with both a hardphone and a softphone :/ |
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| 15:24.51 | docE | hardphone? |
| 15:24.58 | phpboy | swissvoice |
| 15:25.04 | phpboy | hard SIP phone |
| 15:25.18 | docE | Thats close enough to a ATA! sigh.. |
| 15:25.25 | phpboy | oh, soz :/ |
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| 15:25.34 | docE | um, so you have stun setup? |
| 15:25.42 | docE | 1st.. Where is your * box? |
| 15:25.49 | phpboy | well. I have the problem with both.. so I'm willing to bet it's a problem on the asterisk side |
| 15:25.58 | phpboy | at a customers` offices |
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| 15:28.31 | phpboy | :/ |
| 15:29.02 | km- | Hey, I have a problem with my TE410P. There was a power outage over the weekend, now I can't get any of the channels to behave. I have the lines disconnected from the card and yet zttool shows all three spans OK |
| 15:29.19 | km- | if I rmmod the kernel modules the te410p does the red LED cycling |
| 15:29.25 | phpboy | I wish you guys would love me the way I love you |
| 15:29.36 | km- | is there some form of diagnostics I can do on the board to try and find out if it's a failed card? |
| 15:29.52 | jimmy_deanPB | Any clue as to what's going on with a TDM400P card if when people call in, Asterisk answers just fine but the person on the analog line still hears a dialtone in the background? |
| 15:30.03 | jimmy_deanPB | or what's going on with asterisk |
| 15:31.26 | docE | phpboy, dude.. Trying to help here.. but NAT issues can be many things.. |
| 15:31.50 | docE | Did you setup STUN? Have you tried to debug the invite messages? Etc |
| 15:32.08 | phpboy | hmmm |
| 15:32.14 | phpboy | all of a sudden it's working :< |
| 15:32.21 | phpboy | docE: btw, what is stun? |
| 15:32.54 | docE | ohh boy.. its what tells the ATA or Softphone to use the public IP instead of the private |
| 15:33.08 | docE | w/o this your device will send its private IP and audio will not work |
| 15:34.06 | phpboy | ok wait.. I was being stupid |
| 15:34.06 | docE | Good.. its working.. |
| 15:34.18 | phpboy | I connected through the VPN instead of through the NAT side :< |
| 15:35.05 | phpboy | allow me to try again :/ |
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| 15:35.28 | *** part/#asterisk Lurr (n=pr0ph3t@63.69.20.3) |
| 15:35.38 | iCEBrkr | docE: lol |
| 15:36.03 | km- | hey icebrkr |
| 15:36.04 | km- | hehe |
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| 15:36.17 | km- | does *anyone* here have any knowledge of how TE410P's misbehave |
| 15:36.23 | km- | I'm trying to figure out if I need to buy another card real quick |
| 15:36.30 | ctooley | Anyone know of any problems with 1.2.1 on X86_64 RHEL 4? |
| 15:37.16 | docE | if this doesnt work check the WIKI |
| 15:37.44 | Katty | wikiwikiwikiwiki mushroommushroom |
| 15:38.10 | Katty | k, over it. |
| 15:38.15 | docE | Katty, little less caffeen.... |
| 15:38.16 | dogtanian | lol |
| 15:38.22 | Katty | docE: shan't. |
| 15:40.13 | phpboy | nat-yes |
| 15:40.25 | phpboy | nat=yes is that the same as nat=YES ? |
| 15:40.28 | phpboy | it should be :< |
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| 15:43.30 | phpboy | hmmm |
| 15:43.35 | phpboy | it seems to be working |
| 15:43.36 | phpboy | LOL :T |
| 15:46.01 | blitzrage | wow... I have an asterisk box with 20 weeks of uptime! |
| 15:46.25 | Delvar | using it as a doorstop? |
| 15:46.45 | *** join/#asterisk funxion (n=nunya@mtnuser.icgws.com) |
| 15:46.50 | phpboy | Delvar: stop being so jealous :< |
| 15:46.53 | phpboy | u poo poo head |
| 15:47.20 | blitzrage | Delvar: nah, its in production -- but I'm just about to upgrade it to 1.2.1 |
| 15:47.26 | iDunno | phpboy: you've been watching a bugs life, haven't you? ;) |
| 15:47.28 | blitzrage | running at 99% CPU though... don't like that too much |
| 15:47.52 | phpboy | blitzrage : run 'top' to figure out why |
| 15:48.35 | Delvar | not bad going then, i usualy kill asterisk proceses daily |
| 15:49.01 | *** join/#asterisk xheliox (n=jeff@user-0c6s3h2.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 15:50.26 | file | I hope this device is on an APC.... as I just crashed it |
| 15:50.53 | *** join/#asterisk Seyr (n=Seyr@rrcs-24-227-133-226.sw.biz.rr.com) |
| 15:51.11 | iCEBrkr | blahhhhhh |
| 15:51.20 | Seyr | anyone know how to get Asterisk to bind to multiple IPs? |
| 15:51.28 | Seyr | and 0.0.0.0 doesnt work :-) |
| 15:51.30 | _Sam-- | RNING[2009]: chan_iax2.c:6010 socket_read: Received mini frame before first full voice frame |
| 15:51.35 | _Sam-- | what does that mean? |
| 15:51.36 | docE | uhh thats it |
| 15:51.50 | docE | 0.0.0.0 |
| 15:52.04 | Seyr | can you do multiple bindaddr statements? multiple ips on one bindaddr line? |
| 15:52.09 | Seyr | docE: doesnt work |
| 15:52.30 | docE | You have code issues then.. Cause thats how I use it for my office. |
| 15:52.33 | funxion | damn |
| 15:52.43 | synthetiq | i made a script to softhang up zap channels, how can i kill the iax channel associated witht hat call? |
| 15:52.45 | Seyr | i have 101 and 102 on the box, restart asterisk with both IPs up (eth0 & etho:0) and it only recognizes 101, unless I bindaddr=102 |
| 15:53.04 | synthetiq | with that |
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| 15:53.11 | Seyr | docE: I guess multiple people have code issues then, because on the * forums someone posted 0.0.0.0 doesnt work as well |
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| 15:53.17 | funxion | I got my tdm2400p this morning and I found out that it requires additional power other than what the pci slot supplies |
| 15:53.22 | blitzrage | I don't know how top is going to tell me WHY asterisk is running at 99% :) |
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| 15:53.25 | Seyr | docE: what version you using? |
| 15:53.26 | ctooley | blitzrage, we had a box with about that much uptime. Got bit pretty bad by it this morning |
| 15:53.53 | blitzrage | ctooley: yah, I just brought the server down and going to upgrade it now |
| 15:53.56 | funxion | and I planned on using it in a 2u unit that doesnt have additional poweer outlets |
| 15:54.19 | file | blitzrage: how are you doing? |
| 15:54.39 | ctooley | blitzrage, beware the updated c libraries if you're running 64 bit x86 |
| 15:54.57 | Katty | blitzrage: you're supposed to woohoo! :< |
| 15:55.47 | blitzrage | ooohoooo |
| 15:56.05 | blitzrage | ctooley: yah... not running on 64 bit here |
| 15:56.29 | blitzrage | file: not bad -- upgrading several servers to 1.2.1 |
| 15:57.43 | *** join/#asterisk Defraz (n=t0tal@72.24.26.215) |
| 15:58.00 | blitzrage | Katty: yah... I tend to screw up a lot :) |
| 15:59.04 | iCEBrkr | docE: Hey? You interested in helping with a Tampa Asterisk Users Group? |
| 15:59.59 | *** join/#asterisk oogle (n=jart@justin.ctlinc.com) |
| 16:00.06 | blitzrage | oooohoooo! |
| 16:00.25 | iCEBrkr | :P |
| 16:00.35 | blitzrage | iCEBrkr: let me know when oyu start it -- we'll add you to the list on taug.ca |
| 16:00.36 | iCEBrkr | blitzrage: What'cha doing in Tampa? |
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| 16:00.47 | blitzrage | iCEBrkr: working |
| 16:00.58 | syle | funxion : how much? |
| 16:01.10 | funxion | how much what |
| 16:01.11 | funxion | cost |
| 16:01.18 | funxion | like 1500 or 1600 |
| 16:01.26 | *** join/#asterisk anthm (n=anthmct@CPE-69-76-83-52.wi.res.rr.com) |
| 16:01.27 | *** mode/#asterisk [+o anthm] by ChanServ |
| 16:01.28 | funxion | cant remember |
| 16:01.38 | iCEBrkr | blitzrage: Ahh. How long you down here? |
| 16:01.41 | Katty | hi anthm (= |
| 16:02.02 | syle | how does it work? |
| 16:02.06 | funxion | ont know yet |
| 16:02.15 | funxion | I need to find a server I can put it in |
| 16:02.20 | anthm | hi |
| 16:02.28 | funxion | unfortunately I did not read carefully enough |
| 16:02.32 | Katty | anthm: are you alive this morning? |
| 16:02.38 | file | alive is overrated |
| 16:02.39 | anthm | i think so |
| 16:02.43 | funxion | it needs additional power |
| 16:02.59 | anthm | well now i am alive for sure |
| 16:03.02 | funxion | I dont have any power interfaces in the server Im currently using |
| 16:03.07 | Katty | anthm: excellent. |
| 16:04.17 | rajiv | hmm i'm having a problem with Dial. i see 'Dial("Zap/1-1", "SIP/101&SIP/102&Zap/2|20")...' in the log. ext 101 picked up and 102 picked up right after. 101 got the call. 102 got nothing. no dialtone, no nothing, dead line. |
| 16:04.18 | iCEBrkr | Well, I think I'm gonna buy this Sangoma |
| 16:05.05 | syle | theres a sangoma channel bank to? |
| 16:05.43 | Seyr | Just got latest and "bindaddr=0.0.0.0" still doesnt work |
| 16:05.47 | Seyr | anyone have any idea? |
| 16:06.08 | syle | how about leaving bindaddrr out completely |
| 16:06.11 | Seyr | it only binds to Primary, unless I specify secondary in bindaddr |
| 16:06.15 | syle | defaulting it to 0.0.0.0 |
| 16:06.19 | Seyr | syle: same |
| 16:06.30 | syle | what happens when you do that? |
| 16:06.43 | Seyr | 101 is primary, 102 is secondary (eth0:0). it ONLY picks up 102 if I specify bindaddr=102 |
| 16:06.56 | Seyr | it lets me connect via primary IP |
| 16:07.18 | Seyr | it will only let me connect on secondary IP if I specify it |
| 16:07.51 | syle | how are you testing this? |
| 16:08.05 | Seyr | One box is Centos4 using CVS as of like 3 months ago. Other box is Centos3 using latest as of 5mins ago and both are doing it |
| 16:08.25 | Seyr | syle: with Cisco 7960 at 30 locations and Xlite at 1 location |
| 16:08.45 | Seyr | and one Polycom 501 :-) |
| 16:10.13 | syle | why do you need more than 1 ip? |
| 16:10.31 | Seyr | High Availability / Load Balancing |
| 16:10.47 | rajiv | on the same box ? |
| 16:10.52 | syle | doesn;t make sense, you would use SER and load balance between different boxes not different ip on same box |
| 16:10.59 | Seyr | ... |
| 16:11.52 | Seyr | ok.. you have one box with 101 as primary and 102 as secondary. second box has 102 as primary, 101 as secondary. 101 and 102 are in round robin. 102 goes down, 101 picks up 102 |
| 16:11.55 | Seyr | and vice versa |
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| 16:12.18 | Seyr | heartbeat |
| 16:12.47 | syle | thats how you setup your load balancing ? round robin? |
| 16:12.56 | Seldon1975 | hi, when my users make Outgoing calls they hear themselves echo. The remote party doesnt hear the echo and they dont hear themselve echo |
| 16:13.01 | Seyr | until i get another server in front to be director |
| 16:13.02 | syle | not very efficient |
| 16:13.03 | Seyr | yeh |
| 16:13.05 | Seldon1975 | internal calls have no echo |
| 16:13.07 | Seyr | umm |
| 16:13.11 | Seyr | why not? |
| 16:13.12 | Seldon1975 | any ideas? |
| 16:13.37 | Seyr | round robin with heartbeat works great |
| 16:13.56 | syle | lets say call 1 comes in and disconnects right away, call2 comes in and is on phone for an hour, call3 disconnects right away,,, essentially you could have 50 calls on 1 box and no activity on the other |
| 16:14.10 | syle | tell me how that is balanced |
| 16:14.12 | rajiv | with heartbeat isn't the secondary addr supposed to be non-active until it needs to take over |
| 16:14.20 | Seyr | rajiv: yeh |
| 16:14.48 | Seyr | syle: sure if every other call did that |
| 16:14.58 | Seyr | syle: but thats stretching it |
| 16:15.00 | syle | and my biggest dislike of round robin dns, caching name servers that don;t care about your round robin entries :) |
| 16:15.09 | Seyr | syle: and thats why you put a director in front to check load :-) |
| 16:15.46 | Seyr | syle: so if 1 gets 50 calls and 2 has 0, director tells calls to go to 2 |
| 16:15.58 | Seyr | director uses round robin as well, but you can have it check load |
| 16:16.02 | file | director... don't remind me |
| 16:16.15 | Seyr | syle: anyway, all that is a mute issue.. the issue is bindaddr aint working :-) |
| 16:16.58 | syle | well we already know it doesn;t work, i thought we were past that already, figuring a way to LB without it working |
| 16:17.39 | Seyr | syle: well docE says it works fine |
| 16:17.54 | Seyr | so im lost... |
| 16:18.22 | Seyr | syle: and I used to run SER, but took it off my network due to some auth issues |
| 16:18.23 | syle | these 2 boxes your load balancing |
| 16:18.28 | syle | they on same network? |
| 16:18.30 | marc32422 | what is a 'reinvite' ? |
| 16:18.32 | Seyr | yeh |
| 16:18.38 | syle | then wtf are you doing |
| 16:18.50 | Katty | syle: chill. |
| 16:19.03 | file | Katty: he might get cold |
| 16:19.10 | Seyr | syle: if some jackass unplugs one server by accident, the other server takes over and all my clients dont get upset :-) |
| 16:19.25 | Katty | file: i'm already cold. |
| 16:19.30 | Katty | file: and i'm blaming you |
| 16:19.37 | Katty | file: kthx. |
| 16:19.38 | syle | yes but why not setup vlans to do that for you |
| 16:19.44 | syle | do it on your switch |
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| 16:20.02 | Seyr | syle: that was actually the first idea |
| 16:20.25 | Seyr | syle: but im trying to do this with just 2 servers right now, proof of concept |
| 16:20.37 | syle | http://www.smc.com/index.cfm?event=viewProduct&localeCode=EN_USA&cid=8&scid=&pid=1409 |
| 16:20.55 | Seyr | syle: and ive gotten heartbeat to work fine doing this exact thing with multiple other situations |
| 16:20.56 | docE | Seyr, yes it does work.. Thats how I have my office system setup |
| 16:21.12 | syle | Seyr, how are you testing it doesn;t work |
| 16:21.13 | Seyr | docE: what version of *? |
| 16:21.15 | syle | you never answered that |
| 16:21.28 | Seyr | syle: change the IP the phones connect to |
| 16:21.38 | docE | Multiple.. I believe I am using 1.2.1 @ my office right now |
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| 16:21.54 | iCEBrkr | GAWD DAMNIT |
| 16:21.57 | iCEBrkr | DAMIN! CALL ME BACK |
| 16:22.00 | docE | Asterisk SVN-branch-1.2-r7251 built by root @ sip.planet-telecom.com on a i686 running Linux on 2005-12-01 15:45:36 UTC |
| 16:22.01 | Seyr | docE: I just got latest CVS on one of the servers 10mins ago and same issue |
| 16:22.19 | iCEBrkr | If I get this damn Sangoma card, I want some backup.. I've never installed/used one of these things |
| 16:22.23 | docE | Then maybe its something local to you.. I use CentOS 4.2 w/ 2.6 Kernel |
| 16:22.35 | docE | ice what are you bitching about? |
| 16:22.45 | syle | proof of concept should be using SER i think |
| 16:22.48 | Seyr | docE: Centos 4.2 and Centos 3.6 |
| 16:23.05 | Seldon1975 | internal calls have no echo |
| 16:23.10 | iCEBrkr | docE: I'm wanting to buy a Sangoma quad-span card for this project I have.. |
| 16:23.10 | Seldon1975 | hi, when my users make Outgoing calls they hear themselves echo. The remote party doesnt hear the echo and they dont hear themselves echo |
| 16:23.20 | iCEBrkr | docE: But I've don't have any experience with it. |
| 16:23.23 | Seldon1975 | any suggestions |
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| 16:23.35 | docE | hehe.. I could set it up.. :P |
| 16:23.46 | docE | Why not just get a digium card.. Keep the company in biz.. :P |
| 16:23.55 | iCEBrkr | docE: I think I could too, But if I run into troubles. . . |
| 16:24.03 | iCEBrkr | docE: I need a card that can do CAS |
| 16:24.07 | [TK]D-Fender | iCEBrkr : What card did you just buy from them? |
| 16:24.10 | docE | ya.. |
| 16:24.15 | docE | Digiums can do CAS |
| 16:24.21 | syle | you realize digium charges as much as commercial channel banks for that card |
| 16:24.22 | iCEBrkr | docE: Are you sure? |
| 16:24.34 | iCEBrkr | [TK]D-Fender: I haven't yet.. |
| 16:24.37 | syle | its not a matter of support then, its a matter of competition |
| 16:24.38 | docE | I use CAS now from a channel bank and also NEC legacy PBX |
| 16:24.57 | KranZ | sangoma does Calibrated Airspeed? |
| 16:25.01 | iCEBrkr | docE: Then maybe it was IRQ stuff?? Cuz I got a buttload of HDLC timing errors. |
| 16:25.07 | [TK]D-Fender | I have an A104d (the echo cancelling top-o-the-line) from them and its GOLD |
| 16:25.17 | docE | Thats a config issue.. Not IRQ |
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| 16:25.33 | [TK]D-Fender | iCEBrkr : You are describing every problem I had with my 2 x TE405P's and why I switched :) |
| 16:25.39 | iCEBrkr | docE: I tried every combination I could come up with. I could not make the alarms go away and not have any errors |
| 16:25.43 | docE | You have to setup CPE and shit.. |
| 16:25.44 | KranZ | iCEBrkr: the card should be sharing a bus with the harddisk |
| 16:25.50 | KranZ | that would cause timing errors |
| 16:26.05 | [TK]D-Fender | iCEBrkr : I couldn't sync to telco clock, had nasty frame slips, incompatibility with E1000, the works... |
| 16:26.09 | iCEBrkr | [TK]D-Fender: Which is why I was gonna go with Sangoma |
| 16:26.16 | funxion | does anyone know if the digium s400m module is fxs or fxo? |
| 16:26.25 | funxion | I think fxs but not sure |
| 16:26.32 | file | it's FXS |
| 16:26.33 | docE | Google it. |
| 16:26.38 | funxion | thnx file |
| 16:26.39 | [TK]D-Fender | iCEBrkr : Their support team is Godly, and it performs like a rock. |
| 16:26.50 | file | yeah, Google... as the first thing that comes up: "The S400M FXS module allows the TDM2400P card to terminate four analog telephones per module." |
| 16:27.07 | iCEBrkr | Right now, I'm on a VERY TIGHT deadline and I need something that's gonna work with the least amoutn of headaches |
| 16:27.08 | funxion | kewl |
| 16:27.15 | docE | I dunno.. I use Digiums and dont have any issues with it. I am most happy |
| 16:27.28 | syle | abit pricey though, 1705.50 for 16 fxs, 4 fxo |
| 16:27.56 | docE | syle cheaper than buying a channelbank and T1 card |
| 16:27.58 | syle | not including patch panel and connecting cable, that would be about another 100 |
| 16:28.19 | docE | Ampenol cable and 66 blocks? 100 buks? haha |
| 16:29.09 | funxion | next question since my server doesnt have any power cables (hp dl360 g4) I thought for testing purposes I would try tto use an external power source for the fxs modules like the power supply from a usb HD case does anyone think that would be a stoopid move or would that werk? |
| 16:29.43 | funxion | all I have axxis to ryte now is hp dl 360 g4's |
| 16:30.24 | syle | sorry |
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| 16:30.30 | syle | more like 130 whatever |
| 16:30.31 | iCEBrkr | ya know, I just don't have time for this \ |
| 16:30.33 | syle | http://www.telephonyware.com/telephonyware/tw00265.html |
| 16:30.42 | iCEBrkr | I'm gonna get the damn server ordered along with this Sangoma card |
| 16:30.54 | _Sam-- | how do you set the 'userfield' for cdr records? |
| 16:31.22 | syle | sam: show applications |
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| 16:31.44 | _Sam-- | thank you |
| 16:31.45 | _Sam-- | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:31.56 | syle | gj |
| 16:31.57 | _Sam-- | i would use that in extensions.conf? |
| 16:32.04 | syle | yep |
| 16:32.08 | _Sam-- | SetCDRUserfield <Sam> ? |
| 16:32.31 | iCEBrkr | OMG.. RTFM.. |
| 16:32.34 | _Sam-- | lol |
| 16:32.45 | syle | wouldn;t be any different that syntax to any other application |
| 16:33.33 | Katty | iCEBrkr: zomgwtfbbqlolzrtfmkthxbi? |
| 16:33.40 | syle | Dial("Blah") |
| 16:33.48 | syle | SetCDRUserfield("blah") |
| 16:34.05 | iCEBrkr | Katty: I cant' find that in the acroynm dictionary! |
| 16:34.20 | Katty | iCEBrkr: oh noes! |
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| 16:35.09 | Seldon1975 | D-Fender any ideas why my users hear themselves echo when they make OUTGOING calls |
| 16:35.21 | iCEBrkr | :( |
| 16:35.36 | _Sam-- | can you setcdruserfield in SIP.conf or it has to be in extensions? |
| 16:36.01 | _Sam-- | sorry for being an ass |
| 16:36.27 | iCEBrkr | docE: If I can't get this Sangoma card working? Care to do a bit of contract work? |
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| 16:37.49 | _Sam-- | would just 'reload' from the console be enough to make cdr_mysql addon reload? |
| 16:38.00 | iCEBrkr | I don't trust 'reload' |
| 16:38.07 | iCEBrkr | I always restart |
| 16:38.15 | docE | sure |
| 16:38.22 | docE | Im always up for do rae me.. |
| 16:38.26 | iCEBrkr | docE: Give us a decent hourly rate :P |
| 16:38.33 | [TK]D-Fender | Seldon1975 : What tech are they calling out on? |
| 16:38.39 | docE | Same as everyone else.. |
| 16:38.42 | docE | $50 buks |
| 16:38.47 | iCEBrkr | docE: works for me! |
| 16:38.58 | [TK]D-Fender | iCEBrkr : How many ports do you need for your T1/E1? |
| 16:39.12 | iCEBrkr | docE: hell, you might not even have to come down this way, I can just make a ssh tunnel for ya into my test machine :P |
| 16:39.14 | docE | Normally for small shit I charge $80 bug being friends and all.. Ill give ya a break |
| 16:39.20 | iCEBrkr | awwwwwww |
| 16:39.29 | iCEBrkr | :') |
| 16:39.35 | docE | ohh lord.. |
| 16:39.41 | iCEBrkr | I'm getting all misty over here |
| 16:39.54 | iCEBrkr | [TK]D-Fender: We'll be using 3 T1s |
| 16:40.49 | _Sam-- | what does this mean! WARNING[2009]: chan_sip.c:2074 sip_new: Unable to allocate channel structure |
| 16:41.05 | syle | how are the 2400P cards? |
| 16:41.09 | syle | anyone tried them? |
| 16:41.16 | [TK]D-Fender | iCEBrkr : get the A104d... you'll thank me later :) And ***YES*** the EC is worth EVERY penny.... |
| 16:41.29 | bweschke | syle: yes, I've deployed 5 thus far. |
| 16:41.34 | bweschke | working very well |
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| 16:41.38 | iCEBrkr | [TK]D-Fender: Do you even need the echo cancelling stuff when doing PRI stuff???? |
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| 16:41.46 | iCEBrkr | [TK]D-Fender: as in, I won't be doing any VoIP stuff. |
| 16:41.47 | [TK]D-Fender | I had echo once since I got mine, and I'm sure its the other guys fault :) |
| 16:41.47 | gabb0 | hello all |
| 16:41.57 | [TK]D-Fender | iCEBrkr : Better believe you need it... |
| 16:42.01 | syle | how was the echo cancelling? they stated hardware echo cancellation , did you still have to enable it anyways in zaptel.conf? |
| 16:42.12 | bweschke | syle: no. that's for software |
| 16:42.15 | [TK]D-Fender | EC anywhere where you bridge Digital and Analog. |
| 16:42.28 | iCEBrkr | [TK]D-Fender: oooooooh reaaaaaaaly? |
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| 16:42.30 | Katty | [TK]D-Fender: boo. |
| 16:42.33 | bweschke | syle: the EC works very well. we've had no complaints of any echo on any of them we've deployed so far |
| 16:42.37 | [TK]D-Fender | syle : no need in zaptel, its in the sangoma config |
| 16:42.47 | iCEBrkr | [TK]D-Fender: I figured since it wasn't any sort of VoIP technology involved it'd be ok |
| 16:43.03 | [TK]D-Fender | iCEBrkr : yup, takea look at the echo everyone using pure TDM400 cards has... |
| 16:43.05 | bweschke | they are new cards - and 5 isn't a wide array of implementations yet - but so far - so good - no complaints |
| 16:43.09 | syle | fender what are you talking about |
| 16:43.15 | syle | thought these were digium cards |
| 16:43.17 | gabb0 | Question for the group, does anyone have or know of any examples of an asterisk app that issues a manager command to a different asterisk box??? |
| 16:43.23 | bweschke | a104d - is a sangoma t1 |
| 16:43.26 | mrtwister | hello, is astlinux (http://www.astlinux.org/) based on known distro (debian, other ? ) |
| 16:43.30 | bweschke | 2400P is fxo/fxs |
| 16:43.41 | [TK]D-Fender | syle : Thought what was for Digium cards? |
| 16:43.51 | iCEBrkr | [TK]D-Fender: I just assumed that was VoIP stuff not Asterisk->PRI |
| 16:43.58 | syle | what does the a104d have to do with the 2400P? |
| 16:44.21 | [TK]D-Fender | syle : Wasn't talking about the 2400P at all.... stop mixing up conversations :) |
| 16:44.35 | syle | well i wasn;t talking to you then lol |
| 16:44.36 | iCEBrkr | [TK]D-Fender: How much am I looking at for one of these A104d quad-span cards?? |
| 16:44.38 | [TK]D-Fender | :p |
| 16:44.46 | [TK]D-Fender | around $2400 |
| 16:44.48 | iCEBrkr | ouch |
| 16:44.56 | [TK]D-Fender | TRUST ME YOU WANT IT. |
| 16:45.06 | iCEBrkr | Well, I guess it's still less than a Dialogic card. |
| 16:45.08 | [TK]D-Fender | You don't know it now.... but you do. |
| 16:45.10 | iCEBrkr | and it's quad span |
| 16:45.22 | emrah | Does anyone know if Asterisk supports h.264? |
| 16:45.40 | [TK]D-Fender | Its only a little more. ESP for 3 PRI. I'm using it and I only have 1 PRI <- |
| 16:45.46 | iCEBrkr | $2400 is cut'n into my bonus LOL |
| 16:45.52 | emrah | I can actually establish a recording for h.263 and h.263p with the appropriate patch, but just wondering if I may use h.264 also? |
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| 16:47.22 | blitzrage | [TK]D-Fender: get back to work |
| 16:47.24 | [TK]D-Fender | iCEBrkr : But consider that for the extra you get an amazing DSP, no pci voltage issues, no IRQ issues, no echo issues, platform independant (has Windows drivers as well). The list is kinda staggering. |
| 16:47.30 | gabb0 | Question for the group, does anyone have or know of any examples of an asterisk app that issues a manager command to a different asterisk box??? |
| 16:47.33 | blitzrage | lol |
| 16:47.40 | [TK]D-Fender | *FAP* ! |
| 16:47.47 | iCEBrkr | Ok Ok OK.. Fine. |
| 16:47.53 | iCEBrkr | I'll get the PHAT A104d card. |
| 16:48.01 | [TK]D-Fender | w0rd! |
| 16:48.10 | gabb0 | or a good example of an external c program that issues manager commands |
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| 16:48.16 | iCEBrkr | AFK for a sec |
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| 16:48.54 | syle | gabb0: man telnet |
| 16:49.27 | tekati | Does anyone have an application or know how to set up some good extensions to limit the time on a phone for a day per user? |
| 16:49.54 | tekati | I use * in a home office environment and want to limit the kids talk time each day. |
| 16:49.56 | _Sam-- | tekati im not sure how you would do it but you could consider the GoToIFTime? |
| 16:50.06 | [TK]D-Fender | tekati : You'd have to catch them at every place they can call or be called from. Painful, but possible |
| 16:50.08 | _Sam-- | in each of the kids extensions |
| 16:50.58 | gabb0 | syle, there aren't any pieces of code within asterisk that issue manager commands to another box is there? |
| 16:51.03 | syle | tekati: daughters :) |
| 16:51.06 | _Sam-- | gotoiftime(TimeOK,Context-GOod)... |
| 16:51.10 | iDunno | set up an extension to act as a pin. |
| 16:51.14 | tekati | syle: tell me about it! |
| 16:51.16 | _Sam-- | gotoiftime(TimeNotOk,Context-bad) |
| 16:51.23 | iDunno | and set AbsoluteTimeOut on all other extensions |
| 16:52.25 | syle | depends what your trying to do exactly, limit amount of minutes talked or limit what time of day they can |
| 16:52.42 | tekati | Number of minutes is what I am looking for. |
| 16:52.59 | tekati | So they do their school work, chores etc and not talk on the phone all day. |
| 16:53.06 | iDunno | total number of minutes? |
| 16:53.10 | tekati | Yes |
| 16:53.21 | iDunno | in which case you'd probably have to add in some db foo |
| 16:53.54 | iCEBrkr | tekati: Sounds like a Prepaid Calling Card to me. |
| 16:54.17 | syle | yes you;d need to download billing software to do that |
| 16:54.26 | syle | or limit what time of day |
| 16:54.30 | iCEBrkr | and it doesn't even need to be THAT complex. |
| 16:54.32 | iDunno | of course, the alternative method is to charge them for thier calls from their pocket money... and thusly never have to give them pocket money ;) |
| 16:54.34 | tekati | Is there a variable I can catch for length of call info? For instance when a call is over it tells you the length of that call? |
| 16:54.40 | iCEBrkr | simple AGI to pull TimeLeft and set AbsoluteTimeout |
| 16:54.54 | tekati | iDunno: LMAO!! |
| 16:55.10 | iCEBrkr | tekati: Yea, there's DIALEDTIME or something |
| 16:55.41 | syle | tekati: you have a channel bank in your house don;t you :) |
| 16:55.43 | iDunno | it's fun *and* educational :) |
| 16:55.47 | iCEBrkr | haha |
| 16:56.13 | tekati | iCEBrkr: Good info. I could probably make some sort of AGI to do what needs to be done. I guess I needed a fun project anyway. |
| 16:56.37 | iCEBrkr | tekati: It's 2 scripts and a total of 10 lines of code at the most. |
| 16:58.22 | Seldon1975 | hi, how can my extensions.conf deal with the case where all the trunks are busy and play them a message or something |
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| 16:58.42 | iCEBrkr | Seldon1975: Hey, have you read the Wiki? |
| 16:58.51 | Seldon1975 | all of them? |
| 16:58.58 | iCEBrkr | No, just Dial() |
| 16:59.41 | iCEBrkr | http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+-+documentation+of+application+commands |
| 16:59.44 | iCEBrkr | Is your friend. |
| 16:59.48 | Seldon1975 | thanks! |
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| 17:02.48 | blitzrage | file: j00 'round? :) |
| 17:03.00 | blitzrage | file: looking for that number that will repeat digits back to me again |
| 17:03.22 | Seldon1975 | ive been on hold to digium support for 12 minutes |
| 17:03.26 | [TK]D-Fender | what kind of digits? |
| 17:03.31 | blitzrage | dtmf |
| 17:03.35 | [TK]D-Fender | Just as a test? |
| 17:03.44 | file | ah do I know that number... |
| 17:03.44 | [TK]D-Fender | ReadDigits() <- ? |
| 17:03.48 | file | oh |
| 17:03.49 | blitzrage | I need to verify that I'm not getting duplicate DTMF |
| 17:03.50 | file | 800-337-4194? |
| 17:03.55 | file | resporg lookup |
| 17:03.59 | blitzrage | [TK]D-Fender: I don't want to call another asterisk |
| 17:04.02 | bsdfreak | anyone have any insight on the sipura 3000's talkoff problems on the pstn line? |
| 17:04.06 | blitzrage | file: perfect! thanks so much |
| 17:04.09 | bsdfreak | the manual and support section are fairily useless |
| 17:04.20 | blitzrage | Corydon76-home: heh... hey :) |
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| 17:04.27 | Theuni | hiho |
| 17:04.34 | bsdfreak | he's off to asterisk he goes |
| 17:04.36 | bsdfreak | ;x |
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| 17:04.52 | Theuni | ? |
| 17:05.01 | bsdfreak | you're not the 8th dwarf, geeky? |
| 17:05.03 | Corydon76-home | :-) |
| 17:05.07 | syle | hows the wildcard 2400P compared to the rhino channel banks? |
| 17:05.08 | viperdude | hi all |
| 17:05.13 | bsdfreak | heh |
| 17:05.22 | viperdude | quick question about queues and cisco 7940 IP phones |
| 17:05.37 | bsdfreak | i suppose noone's messed with the sipura 3000's fxo port pstn->voip |
| 17:05.43 | Theuni | I'm trying to get a BRI card working and I can dial from an internal ISDN phone (connected to a NT port) to my sip phone, but can't get it working the other way round |
| 17:05.50 | viperdude | when a agent is on a call why does * try to present another queue call on the second line? how can i stop it? |
| 17:06.08 | Theuni | I get these two messages: -- Called g2 -- Channel 0/1, span 4 got hangup |
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| 17:07.03 | blitzrage | file: lol! the resorg number isn't in the DB :) |
| 17:07.16 | file | blitzrage: I'm not surprised :) |
| 17:07.33 | blitzrage | file: LOL! they can't access their DB at this time |
| 17:07.37 | blitzrage | I just got an error :) |
| 17:07.46 | blitzrage | then they wanted to reroute my call, so I hung up |
| 17:07.51 | file | bad blitzrage bad! |
| 17:08.24 | blitzrage | hrmmm... dtmf seems to be working from this server I just upgraded :) |
| 17:08.26 | blitzrage | w00t |
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| 17:08.37 | file | wootles! |
| 17:09.04 | MikeJ[Laptop] | congrats! |
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| 17:09.29 | blitzrage | we've been having dtmf issues with 1.0 -- so hoping going to 1.2.1 will resolve them |
| 17:10.28 | blitzrage | so far so good |
| 17:11.31 | drumkilla | blitzrage: file: MikeJ[Laptop]: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 17:11.55 | file | drumkilla: !!!!!!!!!!! |
| 17:12.23 | blitzrage | drumkilla: !!!!!!!! |
| 17:12.31 | Corydon76-home | blitzrage: I'd recommend going to the latest 1.2, not 1.2.1 |
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| 17:12.46 | drumkilla | Corydon76-home: !!!!!!!! |
| 17:12.48 | Corydon76-home | blitzrage: we found a long-running bug in list management. |
| 17:12.55 | blitzrage | list management? |
| 17:13.03 | Corydon76-home | Uh, yeah. |
| 17:13.15 | blitzrage | problem is that I want to stay with releases and not worry about CVS :) |
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| 17:13.26 | blitzrage | what is list management? please enlighten me :) |
| 17:13.27 | Corydon76-home | Bug 5965 |
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| 17:13.34 | Corydon76-home | Look at the PDF |
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| 17:14.17 | bsdfreak | heh |
| 17:14.36 | drumkilla | blitzrage: what is CVS? |
| 17:14.49 | mkl1525 | Hi, does anybody know if there are hfc-s cards (or any other isdn card that works with asterisk) that fit in pci-(e)x(tended) slots? |
| 17:14.50 | blitzrage | drumkilla: who knows :) |
| 17:14.52 | blitzrage | drumkilla: I'm ol' sk00l so I can say CVS |
| 17:15.01 | drumkilla | hehe |
| 17:15.02 | bsdfreak | heh |
| 17:15.16 | blitzrage | even when I mean svn |
| 17:15.36 | iCEBrkr | haha |
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| 17:18.28 | iCEBrkr | I just called Sangoma and they seem pretty sweet |
| 17:18.50 | drumkilla | that's usually the job of a sales guy. |
| 17:18.58 | iCEBrkr | lol |
| 17:19.10 | iCEBrkr | Oh yeah, they kiss your ass until you buy their product and then you can't ever get a hold of them |
| 17:19.21 | [TK]D-Fender | They are. Have to say my transition was painless and I also own a Sangoma S518 ADSL card at home... same driver and everything. |
| 17:19.39 | blitzrage | Corydon76-home: did you actualyl commit this to SVN ? |
| 17:19.59 | blitzrage | huh... file not found.... |
| 17:20.28 | [TK]D-Fender | rm -rf file ? |
| 17:20.33 | Corydon76-home | blitzrage: yes |
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| 17:23.22 | iCEBrkr | I wish Mantis would spew the correct headers so I can read the attached files |
| 17:29.49 | jtdintulsa | I get and error chan_sip.c:10790 handle_request_subscribe |
| 17:29.56 | jtdintulsa | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:30.07 | file | that's rather self explanitory |
| 17:30.17 | jtdintulsa | where does this get entered? |
| 17:30.23 | file | in extensions.conf |
| 17:30.27 | jtdintulsa | under global or per user |
| 17:30.28 | jtdintulsa | ? |
| 17:30.45 | jtdintulsa | exrtensions ???? |
| 17:30.50 | jtdintulsa | crud |
| 17:30.52 | file | if you don't know, you need to learn more about extensions.conf |
| 17:30.53 | jtdintulsa | ok |
| 17:31.18 | jtdintulsa | I thougt it went in sip.conf |
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| 17:41.16 | funxion | man |
| 17:41.29 | funxion | I got a noob question |
| 17:42.05 | funxion | its a been a while since I've dealt with this but when booting Im getting the asterisk died with exit status 1 automatically restarting asterisk |
| 17:42.23 | *** join/#asterisk monachoi (n=bonvoyag@cpe-24-174-162-34.satx.res.rr.com) |
| 17:42.25 | funxion | but if I just run the start up script once the box is booted it runs it fine |
| 17:42.39 | funxion | I've been through this before like a year ago ut I cant remember wht I did |
| 17:42.42 | Theuni | Anybody knows what that means: http://pastebin.com/461090 ? |
| 17:42.42 | funxion | anyone? |
| 17:42.48 | monachoi | I have a question about hardware and asterisk |
| 17:43.04 | funxion | Im running deban |
| 17:43.07 | funxion | debian |
| 17:43.14 | fugitivo | funxion: check the logs |
| 17:43.20 | monachoi | specifically, what car I would need to get for my Linux box to hook up a plain old telephone to my asterisk service....to place and recieve phone calls |
| 17:43.25 | monachoi | card* |
| 17:43.38 | syle | hmm ferrari |
| 17:44.06 | syle | TDM400P |
| 17:44.07 | monachoi | currently, I am running Asterisk on my Ubuntu linux machine and have phone service through nufone |
| 17:44.40 | monachoi | syle: could I go with something smaller in terms of actual phones I am going to be using and price tag ? |
| 17:44.56 | syle | get whatever modules you need |
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| 17:45.10 | monachoi | right now I just have the one asterisk box and I really just need 1 telephone hooked up to it, possibly 2 in the future....I'm in a small apartment |
| 17:45.21 | fugitivo | monachoi: get a x100p clone if you don't want to spend money |
| 17:45.24 | funxion | fugitivo the script works when I start it manually but it doesnt at boot time |
| 17:45.53 | fugitivo | funxion: maybe the script is running before the zaptel modules are loaded? |
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| 17:45.58 | funxion | no zaptel |
| 17:45.59 | monachoi | i recently got my father to switch to linux and I'd like to install asterisk and a card on his computer so it would route through my asterisk server and then out into the pstn to place and recieve calls |
| 17:46.02 | funxion | only asterisk |
| 17:46.16 | funxion | I did update-rc.d |
| 17:46.24 | funxion | I cant figure this out |
| 17:46.26 | [TK]D-Fender | monachoi : 3 quick choices : X100P clone (20$), TDM400 w/ 1 FXO ($125 at least), or Sipura SPA-3000 (100$) which fives 1 FXS, 1 FXO |
| 17:46.26 | fugitivo | funxion: can't help without an error message, did you check the logs? |
| 17:46.33 | funxion | which log |
| 17:46.36 | tzafrir_laptop | funxion, what distro? |
| 17:46.44 | fugitivo | funxion: * logs, dmesg, etc |
| 17:47.04 | [TK]D-Fender | monachoi : do you wany his Asterisk to access his own POTS line as well s yours? |
| 17:47.16 | tzafrir_laptop | monachoi, asterisk is something you should install on a dedicated computer, normally. |
| 17:47.19 | [TK]D-Fender | s/wany/want |
| 17:47.33 | monachoi | [TK]D-Fender: no all my access to the PSTN is through nufone |
| 17:47.57 | monachoi | [TK]D-Fender: when I pick up phone I wanna route all out going calls through them |
| 17:47.58 | tzafrir_laptop | monachoi, e.g: with an X server Asterisk would have a hard time competing on timely response from the CPU for interrupts |
| 17:48.01 | syle | so you just need an fxs module |
| 17:48.12 | tzafrir_laptop | and you can get a bad voice quality |
| 17:48.28 | monachoi | tzafrir_laptop: it works fine on my server when I place and recieve calls |
| 17:48.35 | syle | nufone sucks i would stick with my local telecom for local calls |
| 17:48.45 | [TK]D-Fender | monachoi : So you have no POTS, he does. You want your calls through NuFone, his through FXO (analog). Right? |
| 17:48.48 | tzafrir_laptop | funxion, load the zaptel modules in /etc/modules |
| 17:48.49 | monachoi | tzafrir_laptop: the only time I've had bad quality is when downloading stuff from multiple torrent networks |
| 17:49.04 | funxion | tzafrir_laptop why I dont have a card in the box |
| 17:49.10 | monachoi | [TK]D-Fender: ok, for incoming calls if someone dials my extension it rings my phone here at the apt |
| 17:49.29 | monachoi | [TK]D-Fender: if they dial his extension my asterisk server routes to his asterisk server at his house and his phone rings |
| 17:49.35 | funxion | quit |
| 17:50.03 | monachoi | [TK]D-Finder: if he picks up the phone at his home and dials my extension it rings here at my apt |
| 17:50.33 | monachoi | [TK]D-Finder: kinda like a WAN that operates under one outside line through nufone |
| 17:51.14 | [TK]D-Fender | monachoi : but he's the only one who needs * to terminate to his PSTN. ? |
| 17:51.15 | monachoi | [TK]D-Fender: all outgoing and incoming calls to the PSTN go through my main asterisk server to nufone.....all local extensiosn ring either my box or his |
| 17:51.30 | [TK]D-Fender | monachoi : So no analog at all? |
| 17:51.34 | monachoi | [TK]D-Fender: no |
| 17:51.37 | [TK]D-Fender | AH |
| 17:51.38 | monachoi | [TK]D-Fender: no analog |
| 17:51.45 | tzafrir_laptop | funxion, what version of asterisk do you use ? from where? (e.g: from debs?) what version of Debian? |
| 17:52.04 | funxion | its cvs head from a months ago 1.2 |
| 17:52.06 | [TK]D-Fender | Then its a question of if you want SIP hard-phones or if you want to use ATA;s to use with your analog handsets. |
| 17:52.15 | funxion | sarge 3.1 |
| 17:52.41 | [TK]D-Fender | monachoi : Whats your budget / preference / needs (# ext's, etc). |
| 17:52.47 | monachoi | [TK]D-Fender: my father isn't the most computer literate person on the earth, so getting him to mess with a SIP phone like linphone or sjphone on his computer and a headset is kinda out of the question |
| 17:52.55 | tzafrir_laptop | I didn't really try the init.d script from the tarball, only the one from the deb... |
| 17:52.59 | funxion | I have like 8 other * boxes runnning same version of ast and debian and I dont experience this problem |
| 17:53.03 | monachoi | [TK]D-Fender: he does however understand how to operate a traditional telephone :) |
| 17:53.50 | tzafrir_laptop | funxion, so you say that asterisk fails to start. Is asterisk run as a user (-U asterisk) on your system? |
| 17:53.51 | monachoi | [TK]D-Fender: at this point I want to spend the least money possible....I'm gonna need 2 cards though.....he has an older computer that I put ubuntu on so he can use email, browse the web, etc |
| 17:54.08 | monachoi | [TK]D-Fender: we'd both prolly have 1 phone at each location |
| 17:54.11 | funxion | Im running safe_asterisk |
| 17:54.19 | [TK]D-Fender | monachoi : If you aren't using an analog phone line anywhere in this you don't NEED any cards! |
| 17:54.35 | monachoi | [TK]D-Fender: Maximum I could see us expanding to, is two phones and my apartment, and possible 3 or 4 at his |
| 17:54.37 | [TK]D-Fender | monachoi : And I'm talking about a SIP *hard*phone. not *soft*phone |
| 17:54.55 | tzafrir_laptop | funxion, regardless, do you run asterisk as user asterisk or as root? |
| 17:54.57 | [TK]D-Fender | Then I'd suggest you each get Sipura ATA's |
| 17:55.04 | monachoi | [TK]D-Fender: ok, so with a sip *hard* phone I could just plug it into his netgear router ? |
| 17:55.08 | funxion | root I vbeleive |
| 17:55.11 | [TK]D-Fender | correct |
| 17:55.12 | funxion | yeah root |
| 17:55.16 | monachoi | awesome |
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| 17:55.35 | Ikarus | monachoi: I would suggest picking up a pair of BudgeTones, they work fine and are the cheapest you can get |
| 17:55.39 | [TK]D-Fender | monachoi : Take your pick - http://www.telephonyware.com/telephonyware/scan/fi=products/st=db/co=yes/sf=category/se=IP%20Phones/op=eq/tf=category%2Cdescription.html |
| 17:55.48 | monachoi | [TK]D-Fender: would that be more expensive than buying a pair of cards and using them with analog phones ? |
| 17:55.56 | MattH | Hi.... how can I make a call file in asterisk immediately connect to the other party, if infact it is ringing (not just being picked up?) |
| 17:56.00 | [TK]D-Fender | My side : Budget-tone = cheap junk... would't touch :) |
| 17:56.05 | Ikarus | monachoi: BudgeTones are 75 euro a piece |
| 17:56.11 | tzafrir_laptop | hmmm, this is somethig you should change, btw. You realise that whoever has enough priviliges in the manger interface can gain root, right? |
| 17:56.14 | monachoi | I'm in the US |
| 17:56.15 | Ikarus | [TK]D-Fender: well, unless you really are, on a budget |
| 17:56.21 | Ikarus | monachoi: then $75 |
| 17:56.33 | tzafrir_laptop | NM. |
| 17:56.34 | monachoi | so I don't know if that affects signaling at all....prolly not if they operate under SIP, correct ? |
| 17:56.39 | Ikarus | monachoi: but if you want a better phone count on about $ 200 |
| 17:57.02 | Ikarus | [TK]D-Fender: Considering the ISDN trash I was replacing, BudgeTone was an improvement |
| 17:57.10 | monachoi | Ikarus: what if I just pick up a pair of $20 cards and a couple of cheapo analog phones at wal-mart |
| 17:57.20 | Ikarus | monachoi: not possible |
| 17:57.24 | tzafrir_laptop | funxion, run asterisk -vvvvvc |
| 17:57.29 | funxion | y? |
| 17:57.31 | Ikarus | monachoi: those cheap cards don't do FXS signalling |
| 17:57.33 | funxion | I know it runs fine |
| 17:57.34 | tzafrir_laptop | where does asterisk die? |
| 17:57.49 | tzafrir_laptop | you get to a console? |
| 17:57.51 | fugitivo | tzafrir_laptop: it just dies at boot time |
| 17:57.53 | funxion | when I run /etc/init.d/asterisk start it runs fine |
| 17:58.13 | funxion | but when I reboot it doesn't start at boottime |
| 17:58.21 | funxion | gets stuck in a loop |
| 17:58.31 | funxion | asterisk died ith exit status 1 |
| 17:58.36 | fugitivo | funxion: did you check the logs? |
| 17:58.37 | funxion | automatically restarting asterisk |
| 17:58.40 | funxion | yes |
| 17:58.43 | funxion | I cant find crap |
| 17:58.44 | tzafrir_laptop | funxion, is it a matter of some assmptions regarding PATH or something? |
| 17:58.55 | funxion | Im not sure |
| 17:59.09 | funxion | I had this problem like a year ago ut I cant remember what I did to fix it |
| 17:59.10 | [TK]D-Fender | monachoi : You don't need any cards and they do not apply to you at all! |
| 17:59.10 | monachoi | also, this is a little off topic |
| 17:59.15 | monachoi | has anybody played around with RAGI ? |
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| 17:59.50 | [TK]D-Fender | monachoi: The X100P card is to bring an anolog phone LINE into *, not to let you plug in a PHONE. |
| 18:00.03 | monachoi | [TK]D-Fender: so all I'd have to do is get a sip phone, go to his house, plug it in his router, plug in his login stuff for my asterisk server here and it he could place phone calls |
| 18:00.13 | [TK]D-Fender | correct |
| 18:00.23 | monachoi | hhhmmmmm |
| 18:00.25 | monachoi | interesting |
| 18:00.31 | [TK]D-Fender | Or an ATA (lets you use an analog phone as a SIP phone) |
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| 18:00.59 | [TK]D-Fender | If you unplug his analog line from the telco you get his whole house running on 1 ATA. |
| 18:01.01 | monachoi | [TK]D-Fender how much does those run ? |
| 18:01.03 | [TK]D-Fender | (depending) |
| 18:01.12 | [TK]D-Fender | $60USD - 80$ |
| 18:01.45 | monachoi | [TK]D-Fender: whats required to get it running on my asterisk server here at my location? just pluging his sip login stuff and all the * config stuff ? |
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| 18:02.27 | KranZ | which is better, polycom 601 or SPA-941 |
| 18:02.40 | [TK]D-Fender | I guess you each want a non-soft phone situation, so I'd say maybe 2 x SPA-2002's (get the extra port, its worth it...) |
| 18:02.58 | [TK]D-Fender | KranZ : 601 in a cold second! But then again, there's a reason its twice the price :) |
| 18:03.12 | KranZ | done |
| 18:03.33 | [TK]D-Fender | But better for what scenario? not for budget :) But for company use its great... |
| 18:03.36 | lofi-rev | When making calls from the kiax softphone the sound coming into the microphone is fine, I get decent sounding sideband, but the called party hears garbage - any ideas? I've tried it with no timing device and with the ztdummy module. |
| 18:03.58 | Assid | can more than 1 phone on a remote location register to * and all the phones are behind the same global nat ip? |
| 18:04.17 | [TK]D-Fender | Assid : I believe so... |
| 18:04.36 | KranZ | [TK]D-Fender: i need to expand my knowledge of ip telephones and configurations |
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| 18:04.59 | rob0 | ok, much progress but not quite where I need to be. |
| 18:05.02 | rob0 | After waitexten(15) in my main menu, it drops to voicemail(). After that, playback(goodbye) and hangup. Voicemail() has the default maxsilence=10. I recorded a message, hit mute, waited more than that, nothing. The line stayed open. |
| 18:05.27 | shmaltz | Funny Quote of the Day - W. C. Fields - "I am free of all prejudices. I hate every one equally." |
| 18:05.36 | KranZ | heh |
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| 18:05.46 | marc32422 | i have calls coming from SER to * for IVR. Once user selection in ivr done, should the call be sent back to SER for routing using dial(sip/ser..) |
| 18:06.15 | marc32422 | or sent using sip.conf registered extensions? |
| 18:06.19 | shmaltz | Funny Quote of the Day - Douglas Adams - "I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by." |
| 18:06.50 | Assid | KranZ: nothing like being able to provision phones over ftp |
| 18:07.21 | [TK]D-Fender | shmaltz : I'm an equal opportunity bigot :D |
| 18:07.25 | marc32422 | ne one cann help? |
| 18:07.27 | shmaltz | Assid, but only Polycom allows AFAIK |
| 18:07.55 | shmaltz | marc32422, why u using SER? |
| 18:08.06 | [TK]D-Fender | KranZ : What kindof deployment do you havein mind? |
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| 18:08.49 | shmaltz | gtg, bye |
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| 18:08.51 | shmaltz | cya |
| 18:08.53 | marc32422 | sip users are registered in SER. |
| 18:09.05 | marc32422 | * does not have the sip contact list. |
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| 18:12.49 | rob0 | is there some other voicemail.conf setting I've overlooked? Or should it be in extensions.conf where voicemail() is called? |
| 18:12.53 | monachoi | [TK]D-Fender: another question....my father and I both have cable internet through the same provided ( just different accounts ) |
| 18:13.16 | monachoi | [TK]D-Fender: both our IP's are dynamic, but mine doesn't matter because it is the one connected to nufone |
| 18:13.48 | monachoi | [TK]D-Fender: if I get an incoming call, how much trouble would it be to route the call to his sip phone which is on a dynmaic IP ? |
| 18:14.08 | [TK]D-Fender | monachoi : If you are both dynamin there will be an issue if an IP changes between you. I highly suggest that one of you gets a dynamic DNS service and use that for your link |
| 18:14.08 | monachoi | [TK]D-Fender: or would it just know, because he'd be logged into my * server |
| 18:14.43 | monachoi | [TK]D-fender: I currently have one through namecheap. I setup a cron job every 15 minutes to connect to their servers to let them know what my current IP is |
| 18:14.50 | [TK]D-Fender | With BOTH of you being dynamic, either target could change and you'd lose contact. One side must be fixed (through dynamic DNS service or fixed IP) |
| 18:15.15 | [TK]D-Fender | monachoi : then make sure the one who is dynamic always referes to the other through the domain name and you'll be ok. |
| 18:15.28 | file | I still don't know, something's gonna hold on me... it's amazing what I feel |
| 18:15.50 | monachoi | [TK]D-Fender: ok so as long as I keep MY dynamic IP updated with the NS name, I could tell his sip phone to point to that name and I'd be cool, right ? |
| 18:16.01 | [TK]D-Fender | monachoi : yup |
| 18:16.06 | monachoi | ok perfect |
| 18:16.14 | [TK]D-Fender | But he'll have his on * server you said, no? |
| 18:16.23 | [TK]D-Fender | own* |
| 18:16.52 | monachoi | thank you for you help and patience as anything requinng hardware and money always presents itself with a steep learning curve as I usually do not have the former and as a result can't purchase the latter :( |
| 18:17.06 | monachoi | eerr latter and former |
| 18:17.25 | [TK]D-Fender | monachoi : its really not that hard witha little good advise which I give out for free around here :) |
| 18:17.34 | monachoi | [TK]D-Fender: well if he doesn't need an * server I guess not |
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| 18:18.06 | [TK]D-Fender | monachoi : then yeah, get him a Sipura ATA and let him plug it into his router and you're all set. Just point the ATA to your domain. |
| 18:18.13 | monachoi | [TK]D-Fender: all connections to the PSTN go through a service I connect to called NuFone |
| 18:18.34 | [TK]D-Fender | He has no PSTN of his own? |
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| 18:19.16 | monachoi | right now he does, through SBC |
| 18:19.21 | monachoi | but its just a regular local number |
| 18:19.27 | monachoi | I have an 800 number through nufone |
| 18:19.37 | monachoi | that I'd like to give him access to recieve and place calls through |
| 18:19.57 | monachoi | and I'd also like a handset so I don't constantly have to fiddle with my headset and soundcard settings on ubuntu |
| 18:20.33 | monachoi | I pay .02 a minute through nufone |
| 18:20.46 | monachoi | so I'd like to setup something real formal with less than formal hardware |
| 18:20.50 | [TK]D-Fender | monachoi : SIP ATA is the easiest and most flexible choice for you right now then.. So his SIP connectio will be simply for calling you? |
| 18:21.00 | *** join/#asterisk SplasPood (i=jwb@ludicrous.paravolve.net) |
| 18:21.01 | [TK]D-Fender | (since he has his own PSTN) |
| 18:21.39 | monachoi | [TK]D-Fender: well, I'd like for him to be able to dial my connection and it rings my handset....but I'd also like to have it where if he dials 9 and then a number he reaches the PSTN |
| 18:21.56 | monachoi | eerr dials my extensions and my handset rings |
| 18:22.05 | monachoi | dials 9 and he calls anywhere he wants on the PSTN |
| 18:22.39 | monachoi | the PSTN he has through southwestern bell is just a personal home phone |
| 18:22.43 | [TK]D-Fender | Your PSTN (nuFone), or HIS (analog) ? |
| 18:22.52 | monachoi | ooohhh sorry I keep getting mixed up |
| 18:23.01 | [TK]D-Fender | Yup! |
| 18:23.07 | monachoi | want him to dial out through my pstn (nufone) |
| 18:23.26 | [TK]D-Fender | Basically to give him cheap LD instead of using his PSTN? |
| 18:23.31 | bsdfreak | i said that |
| 18:23.37 | monachoi | yea, basically |
| 18:23.47 | [TK]D-Fender | Ok, then everything I said stands :) |
| 18:24.02 | monachoi | I recently registered a corp here in TX and run a small business |
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| 18:24.29 | monachoi | and like to have him involved in certain things, so give him his own extension, and a means of placing LD calls cheaply, and calling me for free |
| 18:24.30 | [TK]D-Fender | FXS-only ATA's for both of you. If you wanted access to an analog line through SIP I'd have suggested the SPA-3000 instead where applicable |
| 18:24.46 | [TK]D-Fender | monachoi : I do the same with my mother. |
| 18:25.04 | monachoi | and she can use the phone to call the outside world aside from just you ? |
| 18:25.07 | monachoi | and recieve calls ? |
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| 18:25.33 | monachoi | http://www.telephonyware.com/telephonyware/tw00113.html |
| 18:25.34 | [TK]D-Fender | monachoi : Correct. She is a full extension on my *. And has access to my analog line for local calls. |
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| 18:25.46 | monachoi | awesome |
| 18:25.55 | [TK]D-Fender | monachoi : Its a decent, but cheap feeling phone. |
| 18:25.57 | monachoi | would that phone be good? or could I find a better one for less |
| 18:26.09 | [TK]D-Fender | If you're on a budget, maybe better to go with an ATA. |
| 18:26.15 | elcorpo | quick question: is there a way to manually dial a phone from within the asterisk cli? |
| 18:26.17 | monachoi | do you have a link ? |
| 18:26.20 | [TK]D-Fender | better will cost MORE. |
| 18:26.34 | wshs | solved my x11 problem, yay. new problem though. use dbget and variables for call forwarding. however, if i forward to another internal extension, it goes into a loop because variables aren't unset on macro exit. are they supposed to be, and if not, how do i manually unset them? |
| 18:26.35 | [TK]D-Fender | http://www.telephonyware.com/telephonyware/scan/fi=products/st=db/co=yes/sf=category/se=Analog%20Adapters%20%28ATAs%29/op=eq/tf=category%2Cdescription.html |
| 18:26.41 | [TK]D-Fender | The SPA-2002 from there. |
| 18:26.51 | monachoi | well if him an I could get covered for about $200 that would seem fair |
| 18:26.58 | monachoi | its just I have this thing with money |
| 18:27.01 | monachoi | if I lose it |
| 18:27.04 | monachoi | i feel sad |
| 18:27.27 | [TK]D-Fender | I know the feeling. I am the poster-child of "Buyer's Remorse" |
| 18:28.27 | [TK]D-Fender | Trust me the SPA-2002 is a good buy. Give you 2 ports (2 seperate extensions) on both sides. leaves room for growth. For instance 1 person there could be using your nufone, and another could be talking the you direct at the same tie. |
| 18:28.38 | [TK]D-Fender | time* |
| 18:29.06 | monachoi | ok awesome |
| 18:29.42 | monachoi | so all I'd have to do, is plug a wal-mart telphone into the phone port, and then run some cat5 to his router |
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| 18:29.54 | monachoi | and I guess config from a PC ? |
| 18:30.08 | markit | any expert of visdn? I get "FATAL: Module visdn_netdev not found" etc. with visdn_configurator |
| 18:30.11 | elcorpo | yeah, spa-2002 has a web interface |
| 18:30.46 | wshs | does the spa2002 have two cat interfaces, one for uplink, one for down; similar to the 2100? |
| 18:31.02 | elcorpo | it has a wan port and a lan prot |
| 18:31.05 | elcorpo | *port |
| 18:31.12 | elcorpo | and is capable of functioning as a router |
| 18:31.17 | monachoi | [TK]D-Fender: thanks again for your help.....plus you're a really great guitar |
| 18:31.27 | file | spa-2100 acts as a router, spa-2002 doesn't |
| 18:31.35 | elcorpo | oh, oops |
| 18:31.50 | wshs | the 2100's wan port doesn't work unless there's something on the downlink, and it won't connect (voip) to anything downstream, only upstream. kinda stinks when you have one system to play with |
| 18:32.05 | [TK]D-Fender | monachoi : exactly (your config questions) |
| 18:32.16 | [TK]D-Fender | monachoi : I play a Dean actually :) |
| 18:32.25 | file | get up and dance! |
| 18:32.34 | Corydon76-home | Jimmy Dean? |
| 18:32.43 | [TK]D-Fender | monachoi : My Nick was from my old FPS clan where I played CTF style and you can guess my role :) |
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| 18:34.54 | file | boy meets girl, it happens all the time |
| 18:35.01 | file | suddenly hits you! |
| 18:35.51 | jimmy_deanPB | is there anything else that needs to be done to define a conference extension other than "conf => 1000,1234" ? |
| 18:35.52 | elcorpo | so...asked a question earlier - maybe the people who've shown up can answer |
| 18:36.12 | elcorpo | can you manually dial out and connect extensions from the asterisk cli? |
| 18:36.21 | file | by default? no |
| 18:36.21 | elcorpo | like make phone 1 and phone 2 ring |
| 18:36.40 | elcorpo | okay...how can I make it happen? |
| 18:36.51 | file | there was an app to do it... I forget what it is now |
| 18:36.59 | elcorpo | (using a slightly customized version of asterisk@home) |
| 18:37.20 | file | http://www.pbxfreeware.org/app_changrab.c there it is |
| 18:37.35 | fugitivo | elcorpo: use the manager for that |
| 18:37.51 | file | allows you to grab channels from the CLI, and originate calls from the CLI |
| 18:38.37 | monachoi | ooohhh |
| 18:38.50 | monachoi | one more thing about the SPA-2002 |
| 18:39.00 | monachoi | does it work with SIP ? |
| 18:39.09 | monachoi | like all I need to do is add a user and login in sip.conf |
| 18:39.11 | monachoi | and I'm ready to go ? |
| 18:39.15 | elcorpo | pretty much |
| 18:39.43 | [TK]D-Fender | monachoi : Thats it. It is a SIP ATA. |
| 18:39.57 | [TK]D-Fender | So sip.conf & extensions.conf and that all... (pretty much) |
| 18:40.10 | monachoi | what does ATA stand for ? I always think of hard drives when I see it |
| 18:40.18 | [TK]D-Fender | the SPA-2002 is from a company named SIPURA... guess the protocol :) |
| 18:40.22 | fugitivo | analog telephone adapter |
| 18:40.26 | monachoi | aaahhh o |
| 18:40.28 | monachoi | ok |
| 18:40.43 | monachoi | just making sure there's no whacky stuff I need to radically change on my asterisk box |
| 18:40.46 | monachoi | perfect |
| 18:40.48 | monachoi | thanks guys! |
| 18:40.52 | [TK]D-Fender | Analog Terminal Adapter. An old term for converting any standard POTS phone to digital (be it Norstar, VoIP, etc) |
| 18:41.36 | fugitivo | terminal? i thought it was telephone |
| 18:42.10 | [TK]D-Fender | fugitivo : No its terminal. Its old-speak and is agnostic to whats plugged into it. |
| 18:42.37 | [TK]D-Fender | as in "termination" or "ending with" (analog) |
| 18:43.15 | Assid | okay you wanna hear something funny |
| 18:43.52 | Assid | i got 1 iax connection/context which ignores context= line completely |
| 18:43.58 | elcorpo | thanks file |
| 18:44.01 | *** part/#asterisk _4d4m_ (n=adam@195-27-101-159.adsl.legend.co.uk) |
| 18:44.48 | [TK]D-Fender | Assid : An IAX caller can SPECIFY the context they are dialing.... |
| 18:45.02 | lofi-rev | I'm using kiax as a softphone - audio coming in on the mic is fine, but it sound horrible on the other end (as a VM message, or a call) - any ideas? |
| 18:45.11 | *** join/#asterisk sigwerk (n=sigwerk@athena.rootednetworks.com) |
| 18:45.27 | morale | how much more bandwidth does gsm use compared to g729? g729 sounds like absolute trash on my pstn phones |
| 18:45.59 | fugitivo | gsm will not sound better |
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| 18:46.10 | [TK]D-Fender | morale : GSM will sound liek a cell phone. |
| 18:46.20 | morale | gsm does sound better than g729 for some reason.. its cleaner sounding |
| 18:46.51 | [TK]D-Fender | GSM is almost the same bandwidth (13kbps) |
| 18:46.59 | [TK]D-Fender | its what I use for my analog extensions. |
| 18:47.03 | [TK]D-Fender | (remote) |
| 18:47.55 | [TK]D-Fender | analog modem that is (56kbps @ lower conect +/- 44kbps). I can talk with my mom just fine on it while she's doing light surfing. |
| 18:48.24 | morale | really? |
| 18:48.43 | Nivex | I tried GSM with my parents on their modem. Audio was OK but the latency ended up being nigh unusable |
| 18:49.15 | [TK]D-Fender | yup |
| 18:49.42 | *** join/#asterisk JakBeatZ (n=JakBeatZ@firewall.earl.silzer.net) |
| 18:50.44 | JakBeatZ | Hey folks.. question: any simple way to get asterisk dialplan to complete an extension after hitting # after the extension number as opposed to waiting for TIMEOUT(digit)? |
| 18:51.32 | morale | so using the g729 codec should sound better than gsm? |
| 18:51.41 | morale | is there any tuning i can do to it? |
| 18:52.24 | funxion | use read with 0 length |
| 18:52.28 | [TK]D-Fender | JakBeatZ :You could make a macro, or use Read for it... |
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| 18:54.03 | Ikarus | Nivex: that would be the modem(bank)'s fault |
| 18:55.10 | JakBeatZ | hmm.. macro or read. Macro can be complicated if there are lots of them.. read.. hmm. |
| 18:56.15 | [TK]D-Fender | JakBeatZ : Describe where you'd want to do this... |
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| 18:57.28 | freezer | thought gsm is 9600bps? |
| 18:57.57 | bkw__ | GPRS at 56k boi |
| 18:58.03 | JakBeatZ | funxion: Only problem with 0 length read is the user would have to hit #, correct? What I'm trying to do is get both to work where a user could hit # or not. If they hit pound, it will immediatley dial the extension, if they don't TIMEOUT(digit) will elapse and dial the extension. |
| 18:58.20 | Ikarus | freezer: 14400 baud |
| 18:58.23 | freezer | i get max. 5kbyte/s with gprs |
| 18:59.09 | bkw__ | thats about 56k boi |
| 18:59.16 | JakBeatZ | [TK]D-Fender : What I'm trying to do is on our main menu allow the user to have more of a classic PBX experience where they can hit # if they want to and it will immediately dial the extension, but for those who don't hit # as a habit, it will still complete the call. Problem now is if a user is used to PBX and they hit #, it will say invalid extension. |
| 19:01.39 | docE | Hay anyone used the blf key's for GXP2000 Firmware 13 yet? |
| 19:03.21 | marcus2 | i dont know who i'm so amazed that meetme is working so well for us |
| 19:03.22 | marcus2 | bu ti am |
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| 19:08.12 | Uberbot | Hi all. |
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| 19:12.08 | anthm | JakBeatZ here's 1 silly way |
| 19:12.13 | anthm | exten => _X.#,1,gotoif($[ ${EXTEN:-1} = # ]?n+1:n+3) |
| 19:12.14 | anthm | exten => _X.#,n,stripLSD(1) |
| 19:12.14 | anthm | exten => _X.#,n,goto(${EXTEN}) |
| 19:12.14 | anthm | exten => _X.#,n,congestion |
| 19:12.54 | anthm | you can make that be exten i too |
| 19:13.12 | anthm | err preempt it i mean |
| 19:14.27 | JakBeatZ | hmm.. have to wrap my head around that! :) |
| 19:14.55 | anthm | you put it in it's own context then include it |
| 19:15.09 | JakBeatZ | hmm... |
| 19:15.12 | [TK]D-Fender | JakBeatZ : If you include your local extensions in your IVR it WILL dial immediately as soon as it hits a match. |
| 19:15.33 | [TK]D-Fender | no need for # and no extra delay... |
| 19:15.55 | bkw__ | depends really on what else it can match |
| 19:16.34 | anthm | the thing i pasted you can shove in the context in question and if you dial an exten with # at the end it will strip it and warp you to the same exten with no # |
| 19:16.39 | [TK]D-Fender | most extensions are at least 2 digits... how often do you run into an IVR with otehr options beyond single digit? and that are like to clash and cause a delay? Slim to none? |
| 19:17.39 | JakBeatZ | [TK]D-Fender : I'm including my local extensions in the IVR, but the IVR also has single digit extensions in it.. 1 for sales, 2 for support, etc, etc in the IVR but then the included extensions context has 1000 for user A, 2000 for user B, etc so it would still have to wait because they overlap.. |
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| 19:17.47 | Jestie | evning all |
| 19:18.03 | Jestie | wonder if someone could help .. again ... |
| 19:18.17 | Jestie | I have a Mitel 5220 with a 5448 Keypad ... |
| 19:18.22 | iCEBrkr | weeeeeeeeeeeehoooooooooo |
| 19:18.23 | Jestie | 5220 works fine ... |
| 19:18.34 | Jestie | just need some help with the 5448 k/pad |
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| 19:18.56 | Katty | iCEBrkr: you've insaned. |
| 19:19.18 | anthm | i could explain the real way to do it right but blood may begin to shoot out your nose! |
| 19:19.21 | JakBeatZ | Thank you both for your input.. I'll look at that and see what I can make work. What would happen if I made my IVR only backgrounds and included the main menu extensions and the user extenstions. |
| 19:19.38 | Katty | anthm: eww. |
| 19:19.43 | Katty | anthm: that was not a pretty visual. |
| 19:20.09 | [TK]D-Fender | JakBeatZ : those dialing extensions would have an added wait, only the 1 digit options (sales, etc) |
| 19:20.13 | JakBeatZ | the other way around it is to have something in the IVR that says "to dial by extension, press 4" or whatever.. problem with that is I want to try to get the callers to their callees with as few menus as possible so just trying to figure out the best way to tackle that |
| 19:20.22 | Jestie | anyone have some XML scripts that I could use to get the line appearnaces to work ... |
| 19:20.40 | anthm | umm i mean .."pretty birdies would fly around your head as you lie on the ground dizzy!" |
| 19:21.03 | iCEBrkr | Katty: awwzz jeah!! I'm insane |
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| 19:21.22 | iCEBrkr | Errrrrrrrrrrrvybody in this bitch iz git'n tipsy! |
| 19:21.56 | JakBeatZ | bling bling :/ |
| 19:22.07 | bkw__ | haha |
| 19:22.16 | iCEBrkr | :D |
| 19:22.18 | bkw__ | you tell em anthm :P |
| 19:22.33 | Katty | anthm: better. (= |
| 19:22.37 | anthm | if that's what you want stick in that ugly exten i pasted you and you are done.. dial 4# and it's instant completion to 4 |
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| 19:23.53 | freezer | is an 80gb 2,5"hdd faster than an 100gb? |
| 19:28.11 | iCEBrkr | Since when does disksize have anything to do with speed? |
| 19:28.49 | asterboy | remember spinright? |
| 19:29.13 | [TK]D-Fender | freezer : What you REALLY want is a WD720 Raptor :D |
| 19:29.50 | [TK]D-Fender | asterboy : I remember PC-Tools 1.0 |
| 19:29.50 | asterboy | tracks on the outside were faster access, so you could stuff files there. Bigger disk, faster access. Not so nowadays. |
| 19:29.52 | [TK]D-Fender | <- OLD |
| 19:29.59 | Katty | ^- really old. |
| 19:30.06 | [TK]D-Fender | I'm like... 30 dammit! |
| 19:30.08 | freezer | [TK]D-Fender: i want a fast and energy saving hdd for my thinkpad T23 ;P |
| 19:30.17 | Katty | [TK]D-Fender: you're practically ancient then. |
| 19:30.19 | iCEBrkr | Tankpad. |
| 19:30.21 | docE | 28 here.. :P [TK]D-Fender dude your a old fart |
| 19:30.27 | freezer | Tp rulz :p |
| 19:30.29 | iCEBrkr | HEY HEY HEY watch with the OLD |
| 19:30.30 | docE | Kat your like 20 ish right? |
| 19:30.38 | iCEBrkr | I'm 31.. |
| 19:30.39 | Katty | docE: i was all grown up in october. |
| 19:30.46 | docE | iCEBrkr, you have 1 foot in the grave.. |
| 19:30.50 | freezer | I'm 19.. |
| 19:30.51 | docE | huh? |
| 19:30.58 | iCEBrkr | docE: What'ch you talk'n? I when I grow up I wanna be like you! |
| 19:30.58 | docE | Katty, your 18? |
| 19:31.01 | Katty | docE: no. |
| 19:31.21 | docE | Ya.. good luck.. Im younger than you are.. :P |
| 19:31.30 | synthetiq | she is eleventeen! |
| 19:31.33 | iCEBrkr | Like I said, when I grow up |
| 19:31.50 | Katty | a lady never tells her age ;) |
| 19:31.52 | iCEBrkr | I'm 31 going on 16 again. |
| 19:31.59 | iCEBrkr | Katty: So tell us.... |
| 19:32.12 | Katty | iCEBrkr: it's on my website. |
| 19:32.23 | Katty | iCEBrkr: since all my life, dear. |
| 19:32.25 | synthetiq | suicidegirls.com? |
| 19:32.25 | [TK]D-Fender | Katty : 5$ on 21 :) |
| 19:32.32 | synthetiq | heh heh |
| 19:32.45 | [TK]D-Fender | I'd bet more but my insight would be obvious :D |
| 19:32.55 | Bakermd | Anyone else here use Level3 for DID service? |
| 19:33.06 | docE | Katty, I dont have it anymore.. I formatted my laptop and put Mac OSX on it. |
| 19:33.17 | docE | bah level 3.. |
| 19:33.22 | Katty | docE: too bad. |
| 19:33.36 | synthetiq | macosx on intel? |
| 19:33.45 | docE | No biggie.. I just rememer your a hottie.. :P |
| 19:33.56 | Katty | oh good lord. |
| 19:33.57 | docE | MacOSX_86 yes |
| 19:34.04 | docE | hehe |
| 19:34.19 | Bakermd | A bit buggy (OSX-x86) |
| 19:34.28 | *** join/#asterisk chrish01 (n=chrish01@wsip-70-183-17-66.oc.oc.cox.net) |
| 19:34.43 | chrish01 | anyone know how to change the file permissions of recordings made by automon? |
| 19:34.45 | iCEBrkr | Katty: come'ere lil'girl.. want some candy? |
| 19:34.53 | Katty | ... |
| 19:35.10 | iCEBrkr | Ya know! Candy canes.. It's Christmas after all |
| 19:35.12 | docE | cherish uh normally it would be chmod |
| 19:36.26 | chrish01 | well yea, but i want it to be done by asterisk, not a cron |
| 19:36.26 | docE | Katty, you coming to Astricon Dallas Next year |
| 19:36.26 | Katty | docE: are you going to be there? |
| 19:36.26 | chrish01 | the moron that setup this box has asterisk running as root |
| 19:36.26 | iCEBrkr | Katty: LOL |
| 19:36.26 | docE | You know it. |
| 19:36.26 | iCEBrkr | docE: *points and laughs* |
| 19:36.26 | markit | any idea why modprobe tells me that a module is not found, while I see it in /lib/modules/2.6.14/extra/ ? (yes, I've run depmod -a) |
| 19:36.26 | Katty | then i'm not going. |
| 19:36.27 | iCEBrkr | LOL |
| 19:36.48 | docE | :P |
| 19:37.09 | iCEBrkr | chrish01: Hey just blow some CPU on System(chmod) once it's done recording :P |
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| 19:37.34 | chrish01 | any idea how i do that? very new to asterisk |
| 19:38.04 | anthm | chrish01....Run while you still can!!! |
| 19:38.05 | iCEBrkr | docE: Why'd you put her phone number in the guys bathroom? |
| 19:38.07 | MstlyHrmls | Katty: popular girl |
| 19:38.17 | iCEBrkr | chrish01: http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/index.php?page=Asterisk+cmd+System |
| 19:38.17 | docE | funny.. |
| 19:38.25 | chrish01 | ty |
| 19:38.25 | Katty | MstlyHrmls: not really. i just don't answer the phone..i'm part of a blast group thing. |
| 19:38.35 | docE | MstlyHrmls, dude.. How many chic's do you know that use asterisk? |
| 19:38.47 | iCEBrkr | haha |
| 19:39.03 | *** join/#asterisk Seldon1975 (n=someone@199.243.101.130) |
| 19:39.09 | MstlyHrmls | Katty: ahhh, fun... docE: point... |
| 19:39.11 | iCEBrkr | docE: It'd be kinda silly to see IAX/blahblahbla written on a bathroom wall. |
| 19:39.28 | Katty | docE: and in regards to your question earlier, i may go. |
| 19:39.29 | anthm | and you need to clarify on the inside or the outside cos then the answer varies more |
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| 19:39.34 | Inkubot | hi |
| 19:39.37 | Katty | if bkw__ would get me details about cluecon....... HINTHINTHINT |
| 19:39.42 | Inkubot | i wan't to eliminate the E1 tone |
| 19:39.48 | Inkubot | anyone knows how to do this ? |
| 19:39.56 | iCEBrkr | Inkubot: Unplug it |
| 19:40.00 | iCEBrkr | That should do it |
| 19:40.42 | Inkubot | yes i know |
| 19:40.46 | bkw__ | Katty, soon my dear |
| 19:40.53 | Inkubot | but i do not want tone |
| 19:40.57 | bkw__ | i'll have more details in Jan. |
| 19:41.01 | Inkubot | when i call i've a double tone |
| 19:41.08 | Katty | bkw__: k |
| 19:41.38 | Inkubot | i've got a double ring back tone |
| 19:44.25 | Nivex | Ikarus: yes, 250ms (approx) RTT is pathetic |
| 19:46.17 | Seldon1975 | hi |
| 19:46.22 | Seldon1975 | my users cant transfer |
| 19:46.28 | Seldon1975 | when they transfer the line gets hung up |
| 19:46.33 | Seldon1975 | any suggestions |
| 19:46.43 | Seldon1975 | do I need to enable this in my dialplan? |
| 19:47.05 | shido6 | ZzzZZz |
| 19:47.10 | shido6 | sip phones |
| 19:47.13 | shido6 | analog phones? |
| 19:47.26 | Seldon1975 | 4 sip 4 analog\ |
| 19:47.39 | shido6 | reinvite's and T's |
| 19:47.45 | shido6 | R&T's |
| 19:47.56 | iCEBrkr | Cross your T's and dot your I's? |
| 19:47.56 | Seldon1975 | im sorry you've lost me |
| 19:48.02 | Seldon1975 | R&Ts? |
| 19:48.05 | shido6 | no check sip.conf |
| 19:48.08 | shido6 | for reinvite info |
| 19:48.13 | shido6 | and the dialplan for T or t |
| 19:48.19 | shido6 | are you using either of these? |
| 19:48.31 | Seldon1975 | i have exten=>t,1,... for timeouts |
| 19:48.47 | Seldon1975 | thats not what you mean though |
| 19:48.48 | iCEBrkr | Seldon1975: Have you read Dial() yet?? |
| 19:48.55 | Seldon1975 | yes |
| 19:49.02 | iCEBrkr | Then you'd know what he means by T's |
| 19:49.07 | shido6 | no you add T or r or both at the end of the exten line with Dial |
| 19:49.24 | shido6 | exten => 200,1,Dial(SIP/200||Ttr) |
| 19:49.33 | shido6 | but both parties can dial # |
| 19:49.33 | *** part/#asterisk markit (n=konversa@host119-245.pool8172.interbusiness.it) |
| 19:49.36 | shido6 | and xfer the call |
| 19:49.41 | Seldon1975 | thanks shido |
| 19:49.46 | shido6 | in whatever context you gave them access to |
| 19:49.52 | shido6 | if its a sip phone |
| 19:49.56 | shido6 | with a transfer button |
| 19:50.02 | Seldon1975 | are there really two pipes there |
| 19:50.03 | Seldon1975 | || |
| 19:50.05 | shido6 | then check the reinvites - someone correct me if Im wrong |
| 19:50.10 | shido6 | yes |
| 19:50.11 | shido6 | || |
| 19:50.14 | Seldon1975 | ok |
| 19:50.15 | Seldon1975 | ta |
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| 19:50.45 | Seldon1975 | so I have to add this to the end of every Dial() that I want to be able to transfer?? |
| 19:50.50 | TedC | are disallow statements included when setting up the codec preference order in sip.conf's default section? |
| 19:51.06 | iCEBrkr | Seldon1975: you're learning. |
| 19:51.31 | Seldon1975 | so in the example exten => 200,1,Dial(SIP/200||Ttr) how do I add the timeout |
| 19:51.34 | Seldon1975 | is it exten => 200,1,Dial(SIP/200||Ttr,20) |
| 19:51.40 | TedC | I want to put g729 at the top of the codec order, but I only want to enable it for a few peers. |
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| 19:52.46 | DrDeke | I realize this is off-topic, but does anyone happen to know how to get Sprint to conditional-call-forward your unanswered calls to an arbitrary phone number instead of to their voice mail system? |
| 19:52.53 | DrDeke | (On a PCS phoneS) |
| 19:52.55 | DrDeke | phone* |
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| 19:53.16 | shido6 | that might hurt the pocket book if not negotiated properly |
| 19:53.27 | DrDeke | I know it might cost $0.10/min, but even that would be a start. |
| 19:53.47 | iCEBrkr | Seldon1975: Dude, seriously, read what the 'T' and 't' and 'r' means in Dial() |
| 19:54.06 | DrDeke | I have tried what I know of as the "usual" CCF activation codes: *68, *90, *92, *73, *74, but none of them worked. |
| 19:54.10 | synthetiq | 6+8+5=23 |
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| 19:55.39 | DrDeke | Nobody at their customer service call center seems to have ever heard of "conditional call forwarding" nor do they know what to do once I explain what I want in simple language. :( |
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| 19:55.51 | Seldon1975 | iCE sorry, I am trying to read all the Wikis, but its slow going and I have my boss breathing down my neck to get basic functionality going |
| 19:56.07 | iCEBrkr | Seldon1975: All you need to focus on right now is Dial() |
| 19:56.24 | Seldon1975 | is this what you mean http://voip-info.org/wiki/index.php?page=Asterisk+config+extensions.conf |
| 19:56.43 | iCEBrkr | no.. http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/index.php?page=Asterisk+cmd+Dial |
| 19:56.51 | Seldon1975 | ok ta |
| 19:56.54 | *** part/#asterisk EriSan (n=erisan@81-174-42-85.f5.ngi.it) |
| 19:57.32 | iCEBrkr | ..and I'll never understand this 'boss breathing down my back' thing. There seems to be a lot of people who come in here with that problem. |
| 19:58.44 | iCEBrkr | I have a deadline breathing down my back. |
| 19:58.50 | iCEBrkr | >: | |
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| 19:59.18 | Seldon1975 | I think as employees we take on the Asterisk project because it sounds interesting |
| 19:59.25 | Seldon1975 | and so we accept short deadlines for it |
| 19:59.31 | Seldon1975 | with our enthusiasm |
| 19:59.39 | iCEBrkr | lol |
| 19:59.52 | iCEBrkr | Seldon1975: I think our ego's get the best of us :) |
| 20:00.21 | [TK]D-Fender | I've definately got the best ego ever! ;) |
| 20:00.30 | Katty | [TK]D-Fender: i'll kick it for you. |
| 20:00.38 | [TK]D-Fender | heh |
| 20:00.51 | MattB2 | hi all... we've just had a pri installed on our fibre line for asterisk. They've used TDMoIP to connect fibre -> channelbank box -> asteriusk via PRI. Can Asterisk take a TDMoIP connection directly? |
| 20:01.03 | [TK]D-Fender | Duly noted! |
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| 20:01.36 | Seldon1975 | its just if our bosses say 'hey would you like to implement a voip system?' we go 'hell yes!' and then he says 'we need it by next week' and we say 'how hard can it be?' |
| 20:02.04 | iCEBrkr | Seldon1975: and we say " HEY! NO PROBLEM! " |
| 20:02.05 | e3g | Hi, I want to see if AGI scripts are running with my asterisk....anyone who could give me a test AGI Script? |
| 20:02.17 | iCEBrkr | Seldon1975: and then go "OMGZ! What'd I get myself into!" |
| 20:02.21 | *** join/#asterisk sofh (i=okok@203.101.180.130) |
| 20:02.42 | mrtwister | e3g: hello, at asterisk default install you have few agi scripts |
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| 20:03.15 | *** part/#asterisk EriSan (n=erisan@81-174-42-85.f5.ngi.it) |
| 20:03.44 | e3g | yes I tried agi-test.agi but when I just copy paste it's code to another file abcde.agi in the same folder.....then abcde.agi dont do anything.. |
| 20:04.07 | e3g | very strange ..isn't it ? |
| 20:04.15 | [TK]D-Fender | Hey, I'm trying to find an RJ12 -> 2.5 mm headset convert. Anyone know of any ofhand so I canstart googling? |
| 20:05.40 | DrDeke | tkd: Can you solder and/or do any type of wire work? If so, I would just make my own :) |
| 20:05.54 | Katty | [TK]D-Fender: i did that ages ago. |
| 20:05.58 | Katty | [TK]D-Fender: and actually found one. |
| 20:06.17 | Katty | [TK]D-Fender: it was named something goofy... |
| 20:06.27 | [TK]D-Fender | I'd do it myself except for the hassle and the fact its for my CRS who would put a lot of wear on it... |
| 20:06.30 | iCEBrkr | Katty: wow, very helpful |
| 20:07.10 | iCEBrkr | [TK]D-Fender: Yea, just buy this thinggie and attach it to the other thinggie. It'll work |
| 20:07.12 | e3g | any help on AGI ? |
| 20:07.13 | [TK]D-Fender | I dosolder, but its not something I'd spend time on for my company. I'm too busy wasting it in channel here :) |
| 20:07.24 | DrDeke | hehe yea |
| 20:07.36 | Katty | iCEBrkr: oh hush. |
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| 20:07.41 | Katty | iCEBrkr: i spent 3 days straight looking for it. |
| 20:08.09 | iCEBrkr | Katty: That thinggie? |
| 20:08.24 | iCEBrkr | poor guy |
| 20:08.35 | synthetiq | lol |
| 20:08.42 | e3g | I need a very Simple AGI script (single line agi script) just to check if it works with my system.....anyone ??? |
| 20:09.30 | Katty | iCEBrkr: i'm not a guy. |
| 20:09.34 | iCEBrkr | Katty: Not you.. |
| 20:10.03 | iCEBrkr | nevermind, bad joke |
| 20:10.04 | iCEBrkr | cl |
| 20:10.40 | synthetiq | dude looks like a lady |
| 20:11.36 | Katty | [TK]D-Fender: basically, what i've found...is an adaptor that goes from rj12 to 3.5mm and then you need an adaptor that will kick that down to 2.5 |
| 20:11.54 | iCEBrkr | two thinggies! |
| 20:12.24 | e3g | oh com on! ...no one have AGI script ? |
| 20:12.25 | [TK]D-Fender | Katty : and not to forget that I should route all of my calls through China while I'm at it :) |
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| 20:13.06 | iCEBrkr | lol |
| 20:14.31 | Katty | [TK]D-Fender: http://www.tvps.com/ProductInfo.aspx?productid=ECS-PRLP |
| 20:15.24 | iCEBrkr | Katty: Look at you.. Johnny on the spot! |
| 20:15.28 | [TK]D-Fender | Close, but not quite... |
| 20:16.06 | iCEBrkr | [TK]D-Fender: use a gender-bender |
| 20:17.11 | Katty | [TK]D-Fender: they don't make precisely what you're wanting. |
| 20:17.26 | Katty | [TK]D-Fender: believe me, i've looked. |
| 20:17.35 | Katty | [TK]D-Fender: but you can get it custom made, through several cabling companies. |
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| 20:17.57 | [TK]D-Fender | I know they're out there.. Polycom & GN Netcom should have them.... |
| 20:19.05 | Katty | they didn't have them |
| 20:19.09 | Katty | but feel free to call and ask again |
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| 20:23.13 | tzafrir_laptop | how do I write to the asterisk.ctl unix socket? anybody knows a netcat-like program for unix-domain sockets? |
| 20:24.22 | [TK]D-Fender | :/ |
| 20:24.32 | rajiv | have there been any hardware changes to the tdm400p in the last 2-3 years which would affect the wcfxo module? |
| 20:24.58 | rajiv | i just replaced a tdm400p with a new one i got from digium via rma and now i'm having all sorts of problems with my x100p card |
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| 20:37.08 | hhoffman | can IAX2 <=> IAX2 calls be encrypted? |
| 20:37.52 | [TK]D-Fender | IAX2 implements an age old protocol "security through obscurity" ;) |
| 20:38.41 | iCEBrkr | haha |
| 20:38.51 | blitzrage | [TK]D-Fender: apparently there is media encryption in IAX2 now |
| 20:38.54 | hhoffman | hehe |
| 20:38.56 | [TK]D-Fender | :O |
| 20:39.15 | blitzrage | [TK]D-Fender: thats what Olle told me just the other day |
| 20:39.28 | file | there is, and it works O.O |
| 20:39.33 | blitzrage | w00t :) |
| 20:39.39 | iCEBrkr | pHeaR |
| 20:39.45 | blitzrage | z0mg |
| 20:40.01 | [TK]D-Fender | 5w347! |
| 20:40.07 | hhoffman | media being physical card? |
| 20:40.08 | blitzrage | sweat? |
| 20:40.20 | blitzrage | hhoffman: media being voice |
| 20:40.28 | [TK]D-Fender | yes, BULLTS! How long till it segfaults ;) |
| 20:40.34 | [TK]D-Fender | bullets* |
| 20:40.37 | file | it encrypts all the frames, except the initial one |
| 20:40.37 | hhoffman | oh! |
| 20:40.43 | hhoffman | how does one set that up? |
| 20:40.47 | [TK]D-Fender | bah... too cold in here. Joints freezing... |
| 20:40.56 | blitzrage | file: so don't say anything important in the first frame :) |
| 20:41.04 | file | well the first NEW frame :P |
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| 20:41.56 | file | encryption=aes128 |
| 20:42.05 | blitzrage | lies |
| 20:42.10 | hhoffman | wow, that's awesome |
| 20:42.22 | DrDeke | lies, damned lies, and sprint pcs customer service |
| 20:42.30 | DrDeke | ^H^H^H^H err, i mean "statistics". honest. |
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| 20:44.55 | Umaro | hey guys.. trying to get a zapata wct400P card working.. hey guys, does anyone have a tormenta 2 PCI wct4xxp clone card working? haven't worked with them before, so I don't know what pci id to look for |
| 20:45.39 | docE | Say anyone know if I can set Zap/1 to be extension 126 in Zapata.conf? |
| 20:45.59 | Umaro | docE: that's more of an extensions.conf thing |
| 20:46.01 | Corydon76-home | You don't set extensions in zapata.conf |
| 20:46.13 | docE | Thats what I thought.. |
| 20:46.18 | Umaro | docE: in extensions.conf, you'd put exten => 126,1,Dial(Zap/1), for example |
| 20:46.21 | docE | I was meaning more CallerID style.. |
| 20:46.27 | docE | ohh I know that.. |
| 20:46.35 | docE | Im talking more callerid ish stuff |
| 20:46.43 | Corydon76-home | callerid="User Foo" <126> |
| 20:46.45 | iCEBrkr | docE: A104d ordered. |
| 20:46.49 | Umaro | docE: oh, ok.. then do callerid=calleridnumber, and then channel => 1 |
| 20:47.02 | rajiv | bah. i think my machine has interrupt problems |
| 20:47.05 | Umaro | and then set callerid = something else |
| 20:47.15 | Umaro | and then channel => 2-23 or whatever |
| 20:47.16 | Corydon76-home | callerid=asreceived |
| 20:47.17 | docE | ok thats what I was wondering.. Alot of my extensions.conf is based on callerid from my stations |
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| 20:48.17 | Umaro | docE: just remember, each "channel -> blah" inherits all the configs for the previous channel declarations.. more or less. so if you don't want them to be the same, remember to change it back |
| 20:48.22 | Corydon76-home | It's best to set callerid in the dialplan for channels in your office, rather than depending upon the different syntaxes in different channel config files |
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| 20:54.29 | docE | ohh ya.. I did that.. Just couldnt remember |
| 20:54.32 | docE | thanks |
| 20:55.01 | iCEBrkr | Stoner |
| 20:55.59 | hhoffman | I got a recording done from thevoice.digium.com but when I transferred it up as-is it plays garbled, is there something I need to do to it first? |
| 20:56.11 | Seldon1975 | exten=>_2XX,1,Dial(SIP/$(EXTEN}) shouldnt this send calls to the specified extension in the range 200-299? |
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| 20:57.01 | hhoffman | isn't $(EXTEN} messed up? |
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| 20:57.22 | Seldon1975 | oh yes it is there but its right in my file |
| 20:57.32 | Seldon1975 | exten=>_2XX,2,Dial(SIP/${EXTEN}) |
| 20:57.35 | KranZ | Seldon1975: SIP/${EXTEN}@1.2.3.4 |
| 20:57.46 | Seldon1975 | ? |
| 20:58.02 | Seldon1975 | 1.2.3.4? |
| 20:58.07 | KranZ | an IP |
| 20:58.12 | KranZ | x.x.x.x |
| 20:58.19 | rajiv | Seldon1975: do you have SIP/200 thru SIP/299 defined in sip.conf ? |
| 20:58.26 | Seldon1975 | yes |
| 20:58.38 | file | look on the CLI when you try and see what it says it's attempting to dial |
| 20:58.59 | astcryz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:59.11 | astcryz | i get a lot of those errors, anyone know how i can fix those? |
| 20:59.24 | astcryz | i'm using fritzbox, 24networks and topcom |
| 20:59.25 | astcryz | adapters |
| 20:59.56 | file | that isn't something you can fix, it means Asterisk sent a packet to 84.48.22.131 about a call but it had no clue what Asterisk was talking about |
| 21:00.25 | astcryz | okay? |
| 21:00.32 | astcryz | so that adapter cannot receive calls? |
| 21:00.38 | file | did I say that? no |
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| 21:00.56 | astcryz | is it a critical error? |
| 21:01.06 | file | potentially, what were you doing to cause it? |
| 21:01.15 | astcryz | well, i dont really know. |
| 21:01.20 | file | then do sip debug |
| 21:01.21 | astcryz | because, i have 5300 connected users. |
| 21:01.28 | file | and see what the sent packet is |
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| 21:01.54 | javar | hi all |
| 21:01.57 | tzafrir_laptop | Well, I'm using perl, as it is (slightly) simpler than C. bah. I can't figure out why nobody wrote such a tool |
| 21:02.28 | javar | somebody have any experience with IVR's in realtime? |
| 21:02.33 | Umaro | astcryz: 5300, huh? |
| 21:02.51 | fugitivo | tzafrir_laptop: what tool? |
| 21:02.51 | astcryz | Umaro: correct |
| 21:03.00 | javar | somebody have any experience with IVR's in realtime? |
| 21:03.04 | Umaro | astcryz: SGI? |
| 21:03.15 | astcryz | Umaro: and in one week we get 250.000 registered users |
| 21:03.23 | astcryz | we got my opera community |
| 21:03.37 | javar | somebody have any experience with IVR's in realtime? |
| 21:04.14 | tzafrir_laptop | for connecting to a unix-domain socket |
| 21:04.21 | tzafrir_laptop | (asterisk.ctl) |
| 21:04.36 | rob0 | hmmm, I doubled my silencethreshold (256) in voicemail.conf, and voicemail() is not detecting a hangup or muted input. A caller hung up after 5 seconds and the .wav went for a full minute. |
| 21:04.38 | astcryz | file: so maybe a firmware upgrade on the ATA would help fix that problem? |
| 21:04.48 | *** part/#asterisk mrtwister (n=andrius@cable-9-42.cgates.lt) |
| 21:04.57 | javar | somebody have any experience with IVR's in realtime? |
| 21:05.28 | Umaro | astcryz: are you using SGI boxen, or? |
| 21:05.37 | KranZ | rob0: asterisk should get a hangup on the channel which will kill voicemail whether you have a working silencethreshold or not |
| 21:06.30 | astcryz | Umaro: no, its four Quad dell poweredge servers, xeon |
| 21:06.43 | rob0 | thought so, but any ideas what could be wrong? The .wav clearly had him hanging up the phone. |
| 21:07.06 | KranZ | doubt its a problem in the voicemail system |
| 21:07.13 | Umaro | astcryz: in my tests, asterisk doesn't really use SMP that much.. |
| 21:07.14 | fugitivo | rob0: what hardware? |
| 21:07.15 | KranZ | what are you using for pstn access? |
| 21:07.25 | astcryz | Umaro: thats a pity :P |
| 21:07.27 | fugitivo | rob0: x100p? |
| 21:07.32 | astcryz | maybe we may have to change the servers then |
| 21:07.35 | rob0 | yes :) |
| 21:07.38 | KranZ | heh |
| 21:07.41 | fugitivo | rob0: that's the problem |
| 21:07.49 | fugitivo | not voicemail |
| 21:07.57 | KranZ | rob0: check the settings for your x100p and tweak them |
| 21:07.59 | [TK]D-Fender | X100P = bad disconnect detection. |
| 21:08.05 | rob0 | thanks ... any workaround? I'll hit the wiki. |
| 21:08.07 | fugitivo | X100P = crap |
| 21:08.15 | rob0 | it was cheap ;) |
| 21:08.20 | fugitivo | rob0: set max time for voicemail to 30sec or 15 |
| 21:08.29 | KranZ | x100p is a good way to get started |
| 21:08.37 | KranZ | i have 2 collecting dust |
| 21:08.42 | Umaro | astcryz: it scales well for you though, hmm? cool. using signate's branch, or? |
| 21:08.44 | fugitivo | rob0: also, use busydetect |
| 21:09.01 | rob0 | I have a TDM10B (?) in another machine but only a FXS module. |
| 21:09.10 | fugitivo | rob0: busydetect=yes busycount=5 in your zapata.conf |
| 21:09.15 | rob0 | great |
| 21:09.27 | fugitivo | rob0: that doesn't mean it's going to work, but try it |
| 21:09.38 | javar | somebody have any experience with IVR's in realtime? |
| 21:09.48 | astcryz | Umaro: signates branch? |
| 21:10.05 | javar | somebody have any experience with IVR's in realtime? |
| 21:10.08 | rob0 | will do, appreciate the guidance. |
| 21:10.27 | rob0 | I wish the FXO modules were cheaper. |
| 21:10.40 | javar | somebody have any experience with IVR's in realtime? |
| 21:10.48 | fugitivo | rob0: where do you live? |
| 21:11.07 | clive- | javar use agi |
| 21:11.12 | KranZ | in a van down by the river |
| 21:11.30 | javar | pls, somebody have any experience with IVR's in realtime? |
| 21:11.35 | KranZ | heh |
| 21:11.37 | *** join/#asterisk Holos (n=asdf@204.101.26.106) |
| 21:11.44 | fugitivo | javar: you're starting to look like a spam bot |
| 21:11.54 | astcryz | file, i think the call / leg comes when sending NOTIFY |
| 21:11.55 | astcryz | Dec 12 23:14:34 WARNING[2577] chan_sip.c: Host '85.167.115.100' does not implement 'NOTIFY' |
| 21:11.59 | javar | but i need some help |
| 21:12.02 | Holos | I'm getting a lot of " -- B-channel 0/1 restarted on span 1" message for my PRI, is this usual PRI activity? |
| 21:12.08 | fugitivo | javar: tell your problem then |
| 21:12.28 | KranZ | Holos: every hour it should restart |
| 21:12.29 | rob0 | fugitivo: just down the road from Digium a bit :) |
| 21:12.30 | Seldon1975 | Kranz "in a van down by the river" lol |
| 21:12.37 | KranZ | ;) |
| 21:12.44 | Holos | KranZ: Ok, thanks. |
| 21:12.49 | fugitivo | rob0: one tdm400 with 1 fxo shouldn't be expensive for you |
| 21:12.49 | Umaro | astcryz: signate forked/licensed off a version of asterisk that was supposed to be more optimized |
| 21:13.04 | Seldon1975 | you'll have a lot of time for doobie rollin' when you're living in a van down by the RIVER! |
| 21:13.06 | javar | i have configure an IVR on Realtime, but wjen i dial the extension, the application WaitExten does not work |
| 21:13.06 | astcryz | Umaro: no i dont use that one.. |
| 21:13.31 | fugitivo | javar: dial from where? |
| 21:13.32 | javar | and no recognize the exten |
| 21:13.50 | javar | from a line PSTN |
| 21:14.12 | javar | to a DID that is forward to Asterisk |
| 21:15.29 | fugitivo | javar: does it work if you dial from an extension? |
| 21:15.52 | javar | yes |
| 21:16.13 | javar | the dial plan from an extension is working good |
| 21:16.21 | fugitivo | the ivr |
| 21:16.24 | fugitivo | from an extension |
| 21:16.45 | javar | i have this: |
| 21:16.48 | javar | | ivr | s | 1 | Wait | 1 |
| 21:16.53 | javar | | 22 | ivr | s | 2 | Answer | |
| 21:16.58 | javar | | 23 | ivr | s | 3 | Wait | 1 |
| 21:17.03 | javar | | 24 | ivr | s | 4 | DigitTimeout | 5 |
| 21:17.07 | javar | | 25 | ivr | s | 5 | ResponseTimeout | 10 |
| 21:17.13 | javar | | 26 | ivr | s | 6 | Wait | 1 |
| 21:17.17 | [TK]D-Fender | ~pb |
| 21:17.25 | jbot | i heard pastebin is a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try http://pastebin.com/ |
| 21:17.25 | iCEBrkr | SHADDUP |
| 21:17.25 | javar | | 27 | ivr | s | 7 | Background | extension |
| 21:17.25 | fugitivo | ~pastebin |
| 21:17.27 | jbot | extra, extra, read all about it, pastebin is a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try http://pastebin.com/ |
| 21:17.27 | iCEBrkr | SHADDUP |
| 21:17.28 | javar | | 28 | ivr | s | 8 | WaitExten |15 |
| 21:17.41 | javar | | 29 | ivr | i | 1 | Playback | invalid |
| 21:19.20 | file | it is with regret that I must inform you that you are now on my ignore list, have a pleasant day |
| 21:20.23 | *** join/#asterisk Poincare (n=jefffnod@195.207.137.89) |
| 21:20.32 | iCEBrkr | file: liar, you don't regret it |
| 21:20.40 | file | okay, that's true |
| 21:21.02 | iCEBrkr | see! see! |
| 21:21.07 | [TK]D-Fender | No, he regrets wasting the time to say thet he's not wasting any more time on him :) |
| 21:21.07 | MikeJ[Laptop] | you do however regret me! |
| 21:21.15 | [TK]D-Fender | .. I think... |
| 21:21.18 | iCEBrkr | haha |
| 21:21.25 | file | I regret speaking here. |
| 21:24.04 | *** join/#asterisk mover (n=dlu@gw-dus-net.dus.de.ncore.net) |
| 21:24.07 | mover | hi all |
| 21:26.28 | javar | sorry |
| 21:26.36 | dasuberdavid | exit |
| 21:26.38 | dasuberdavid | quit |
| 21:27.43 | Umaro | so you are doing something unique that is helping immensely |
| 21:28.11 | *** join/#asterisk bkw__ (n=brian@m615e36d0.tmodns.net) |
| 21:32.26 | *** join/#asterisk nagl (n=nagl@213.235.241.6) |
| 21:34.10 | *** join/#asterisk backblue (n=moo@87-196-32-21.net.novis.pt) |
| 21:36.07 | *** join/#asterisk RussCC (n=face@207.179.101.194) |
| 21:36.28 | *** join/#asterisk krisguy (n=krisguy@h216-170-039-057.adsl.navix.net) |
| 21:37.36 | RussCC | hello I have a question. has anyone ever tried to make a call and no matter what you dial you get a you must also include a 1 or if it is a local call you must use all 7 digits when you have dialed a 1 or dialed all 7 digits? |
| 21:38.00 | RussCC | I am also able to make a call on an analog phone |
| 21:38.14 | RussCC | I can recive calls without a problem |
| 21:38.29 | *** join/#asterisk crash3m (i=crash3m@unaffiliated/crash3m) |
| 21:38.36 | RussCC | I have gone over the dial plan again and again and came up with nothing |
| 21:38.38 | twisted[asteria] | RussCC, add a w in front of your dial string |
| 21:38.58 | twisted[asteria] | ie, exten => NXXXXXX,1,Dial(Zap/1/w${EXTEN}) |
| 21:39.15 | KranZ | what's the w for |
| 21:39.15 | *** part/#asterisk crash3m (i=crash3m@unaffiliated/crash3m) |
| 21:39.19 | file | w = wait |
| 21:39.30 | RussCC | ok whanks I will try it |
| 21:39.38 | file | gives chan_zap time to seize the line so it can dial... might be dialing too quickly, and misses the first digit or two |
| 21:39.40 | twisted[asteria] | ok. if one w doesn't help, try two |
| 21:39.50 | KranZ | ic |
| 21:40.59 | bsdfreak | heh |
| 21:40.59 | bkw__ | yo bitches what up |
| 21:41.03 | bsdfreak | yo bkw |
| 21:41.04 | bsdfreak | wasaa |
| 21:41.08 | bkw__ | wasabi |
| 21:41.12 | rajiv | what the equivalent to 'show application foo' for channel drivers? |
| 21:41.15 | iCEBrkr | bkw__: WHUTUPP |
| 21:41.18 | dogtanian | do you guy's reckon i'd be ok running Asterix@home on an old IBM laptop?... the specifications seem ok to me.. i'm just wondering if there's anything obvious i haven't thought of (the network card etc is on teh main bus) |
| 21:41.21 | twisted[asteria] | omg it's bkw |
| 21:41.22 | bkw__ | woop woop |
| 21:41.28 | iCEBrkr | 'reckon' |
| 21:41.40 | bkw__ | ph33r |
| 21:41.44 | MikeJ[Laptop] | who let that bastard in here.... |
| 21:41.45 | MikeJ[Laptop] | :P |
| 21:41.47 | iCEBrkr | bkw__: trust us, we're scared |
| 21:41.49 | bkw__ | ok dogtanian you in Oklahoma also? |
| 21:42.02 | bkw__ | who uses reckon? |
| 21:42.07 | dogtanian | bkw_: nahh- i'm in Greenwich (London) |
| 21:42.10 | bkw__ | I don't and i"m in oklahoma |
| 21:42.10 | twisted[asteria] | bkw: anyone in the south |
| 21:42.12 | iCEBrkr | MikeJ[Laptop]: Yea, really, were's the door guy at? |
| 21:42.16 | dogtanian | lol - i use reckon all the time |
| 21:42.19 | bkw__ | *finger* |
| 21:42.28 | Theuni | man |
| 21:42.28 | bkw__ | :P |
| 21:42.28 | MikeJ[Laptop] | which finger is that :P |
| 21:42.29 | rob0 | do I know you twisted[asteria]? |
| 21:42.45 | dogtanian | so howzabout it?... *@home on a laptop? |
| 21:42.45 | twisted[asteria] | rob0, i don't know, do you? |
| 21:42.50 | bkw__ | rob0, depends... do you frequent the local truck stop bathroom? |
| 21:42.55 | twisted[asteria] | howzabout *@home in the garbage |
| 21:43.02 | dogtanian | lol |
| 21:43.02 | iCEBrkr | dogtanian: laptop? I hope you don't plan on running it 24/7 |
| 21:43.06 | fugitivo | lol |
| 21:43.16 | twisted[asteria] | bkw__, play nice or i'll put you in a corner |
| 21:43.19 | twisted[asteria] | ;) |
| 21:43.22 | dogtanian | i'm a noob to all this, so i thought *@home would be easiest to start off with |
| 21:43.25 | bkw__ | twisted[asteria], you promise? |
| 21:43.30 | rob0 | well lemme put it this way ... I have been to asteria offices a few times. |
| 21:43.32 | dogtanian | iCEBrkr: good point - i mau |
| 21:43.33 | Theuni | I can get in from the PSTN to the SIP phones and the isdn phone but not from inside out (and not from the sip phone to the isdn phone) ... anybody got some time helping me? |
| 21:43.36 | bkw__ | dogtanian, it never really is |
| 21:43.36 | fugitivo | dogtanian: *@home is difficult at the end |
| 21:43.36 | iCEBrkr | twisted[asteria]: careful man, he's getting all worked up |
| 21:43.37 | dogtanian | ..I may have a heat issue |
| 21:43.45 | twisted[asteria] | iCEBrkr, i know how to deal with him :) |
| 21:43.49 | bkw__ | dogtanian, I think they make a cream for that |
| 21:43.51 | twisted[asteria] | rob0, mmmkay... |
| 21:43.59 | dogtanian | :D |
| 21:44.04 | bkw__ | ;) |
| 21:44.06 | iCEBrkr | lol |
| 21:44.15 | bsdfreak | heh |
| 21:44.17 | bsdfreak | hey bkw |
| 21:44.18 | dogtanian | perhaps i ought to not bother with @home |
| 21:44.25 | bkw__ | bsdfreak, what up |
| 21:44.26 | iCEBrkr | dogtanian: That's probably a good bet |
| 21:44.29 | bkw__ | I was near you last week |
| 21:44.35 | bsdfreak | did you ever have a sipura 3000? (or any sipura with a pstn->voip function) |
| 21:44.36 | bkw__ | you still in VA? |
| 21:44.37 | bsdfreak | oh man |
| 21:44.39 | bsdfreak | we shoulda met up |
| 21:44.39 | bsdfreak | yeah |
| 21:44.47 | rob0 | C.H. knows me |
| 21:44.48 | bkw__ | yes I have a spa3000 |
| 21:44.50 | bsdfreak | ok |
| 21:44.52 | bkw__ | never hooked up the pstn part yet |
| 21:44.54 | bkw__ | need to |
| 21:44.55 | bsdfreak | damn |
| 21:45.03 | bsdfreak | i wanted to see if you knew hot o fix the talkoff shiz |
| 21:45.04 | twisted[asteria] | rob0, mmmkay. |
| 21:45.07 | bsdfreak | i get a lot |
| 21:45.08 | bsdfreak | ;\ |
| 21:45.10 | bkw__ | OMG GREG IS GOING TO KILL US ALL |
| 21:45.15 | bkw__ | he drives like a nut |
| 21:45.15 | dogtanian | iCEBrkr: the reason why i'm thiking of doing it on a laptop is coz it;s an old work one... so i'll just spank a new HD in it |
| 21:45.17 | bsdfreak | heh |
| 21:45.36 | bkw__ | "just spank a new HD"? |
| 21:45.37 | bkw__ | wtf |
| 21:45.46 | dogtanian | heh |
| 21:45.48 | bkw__ | kinky hardware fetish? |
| 21:45.51 | dogtanian | excuse my dialect |
| 21:45.52 | iCEBrkr | dogtanian: you must be a transplace to your european country :P |
| 21:45.57 | bkw__ | dogtanian, tiz ok |
| 21:45.59 | bkw__ | i'm just being dirty |
| 21:45.59 | iCEBrkr | err transplant |
| 21:46.29 | bsdfreak | heh |
| 21:46.38 | dogtanian | the only hardware i find vaguely erotic is the Panasonic Toughbook range ;) |
| 21:46.39 | iCEBrkr | dogtanian: So why not a normal desktop? |
| 21:46.44 | bkw__ | FYI the new Madonna album is da shiznit |
| 21:47.02 | bkw__ | bsdfreak, like em small yo? |
| 21:47.06 | bsdfreak | no |
| 21:47.12 | bsdfreak | like to recover data from laptop hds |
| 21:47.13 | bsdfreak | :] |
| 21:47.19 | bkw__ | hehe |
| 21:47.22 | rob0 | very handy when you need those |
| 21:47.27 | dogtanian | iCEBrkr: i can't be bothered to shell out for a low spec server yet - coz i don't know whether I'm going to be using asterisk permently |
| 21:48.01 | iCEBrkr | dogtanian: You're just experimenting and tinkering.. So? What's the big deal, you don't need a beefy machine |
| 21:48.20 | bkw__ | ok lets do this up right... whip out some cash and buy a softswitch boi |
| 21:48.20 | bsdfreak | yea |
| 21:48.22 | dogtanian | iCEBrkr: I move house every 6months too - so it would just be another piece of shit to carrly up and down stairs |
| 21:48.27 | bsdfreak | hehe |
| 21:48.38 | bsdfreak | asterlink extreme rocks |
| 21:48.39 | bkw__ | I want DS3 cards |
| 21:48.40 | iCEBrkr | dogtanian: lol |
| 21:48.45 | bkw__ | with hardware echo cancel |
| 21:48.47 | dogtanian | iCEBrkr: yeah - thats why i figured i could do it on a laptop |
| 21:48.50 | bsdfreak | heh |
| 21:49.14 | iCEBrkr | dogtanian: I'm still not sure why not use a standard desktop. Unless you don't have a linux workstation already --- in which I pity thee :P |
| 21:49.55 | dogtanian | gonna buy a cisco 7960 on ebay to start with, and use an IAX service with a non-geo number |
| 21:50.17 | TedC | are disallow statements included when setting up the codec preference order in sip.conf's default section? |
| 21:50.19 | TedC | I want to put g729 at the top of the codec order, but I only want to enable it for a few peers. |
| 21:50.21 | bkw__ | go buy a SPA-941 |
| 21:50.32 | dogtanian | iCEBrkr: i run windows on my desktop unfortunately :) most of my audio editing s/w is non linux compatible |
| 21:50.33 | iCEBrkr | dogtanian: You don't even know what you're getting yourself into, and you're gonna shellout $$$ on a cisco phone?!? |
| 21:50.36 | bkw__ | TedC, yes |
| 21:50.37 | twisted[asteria] | bkw__, the 841 was shit. Have you got a 941? |
| 21:50.46 | bkw__ | 941 looks sexy |
| 21:50.48 | bkw__ | its got 7960 DNA |
| 21:50.49 | twisted[asteria] | well |
| 21:50.50 | bkw__ | its very clear |
| 21:50.53 | twisted[asteria] | it's OBVIOUSLY cisco |
| 21:51.01 | TedC | bkw__: Great. thanks. |
| 21:51.16 | dogtanian | iCEBrkr: yeah - i thought of getting a grandstream... but ppl tell me they're a bit wank |
| 21:51.25 | bkw__ | TedC, chances are the codec order stuff is broken once again |
| 21:51.26 | DrDeke | Hey, do any of you happen to know if the power adapters that come with Grandstream 102 phones sold in the USA will work on 240V/50Hz, or are they 120V/60Hz only? |
| 21:51.30 | bkw__ | its been fucked up more than once |
| 21:51.33 | TedC | bkw__: in 1.2 or 1.0 or both? |
| 21:51.34 | Nivex | I'd love to see a 941 |
| 21:51.40 | iCEBrkr | dogtanian: they are, but I'd recommend a Sipura2k or the like |
| 21:51.48 | iCEBrkr | dogtanian: Just for starting out. |
| 21:51.50 | bsdfreak | whoa |
| 21:51.52 | bkw__ | TedC, not sure haven't been paying much attention to asterisk |
| 21:51.53 | bsdfreak | the spa-941 looks real nice |
| 21:52.06 | TedC | bkw__: there probably should just be an option that lets you specify it, rather than overloading the allow/disallow lines. |
| 21:52.22 | bkw__ | well you can do disallow=all |
| 21:52.29 | bkw__ | allow=codec,codec,codec,codec |
| 21:52.36 | bkw__ | and build the bitmask like that |
| 21:52.52 | twisted[asteria] | codec codec codec codec codec codec codec iax 2 IAX 2 |
| 21:53.01 | TedC | bkw__: right, but I want the disallowed codec to be the highest priority when it's enabled on a per peer basis. |
| 21:53.02 | bkw__ | iax2 suckage |
| 21:53.21 | iCEBrkr | See how much fun it is with bkw in here? |
| 21:53.35 | docE | ice when you gonna attempt your TDM card install? |
| 21:53.36 | bkw__ | TedC, you'll have to just try it out |
| 21:53.43 | TedC | yep. that's my plan. :) |
| 21:53.45 | bkw__ | iCEBrkr, you being mean? |
| 21:53.50 | iCEBrkr | docE: The card should be in here in 3 days.. I dunno about the server. |
| 21:54.05 | iCEBrkr | bkw__: just mess'n with ya.. You've always cracked me up |
| 21:54.06 | docE | bkw__, ya more or less.. |
| 21:54.14 | dogtanian | iCEBrkr: nahh - can't be bothered with an adaptor... after all, half the fun is actually playing with teh phone and all the 'line' buttons ;) |
| 21:54.15 | iCEBrkr | lol |
| 21:54.16 | bkw__ | iCEBrkr, :P |
| 21:54.37 | TedC | bkw__: doesn't work. the disallowed codec ends up at the end. Oh well. |
| 21:54.45 | bkw__ | no |
| 21:54.47 | TedC | hmmm. |
| 21:54.48 | bkw__ | WRONG |
| 21:54.54 | bkw__ | if it does then its B R O K E N |
| 21:54.59 | bkw__ | you disallow it it should be GONE |
| 21:55.00 | TedC | indeed. |
| 21:55.08 | bkw__ | when you show the peer |
| 21:55.11 | iCEBrkr | dogtanian: Then get a damn Budgetone :) Don't waste your money |
| 21:55.13 | bkw__ | it will say codecs allowed and codec prefs |
| 21:55.21 | TedC | it's gone on the peers, execpt the one I explicitly allowed it on. |
| 21:55.28 | bkw__ | let me give you a hint |
| 21:55.30 | bkw__ | RESTART |
| 21:55.34 | TedC | I was talking about the peer that later had allow=g729; |
| 21:55.36 | bkw__ | bet its broken in that respect too AGAIN |
| 21:55.46 | bkw__ | yes it will be put at the end |
| 21:55.46 | bkw__ | in those cases |
| 21:55.51 | dogtanian | I can always flog it on Ebay if it turns out that i don't actually have the prerequisite skillz to make it all work properly |
| 21:55.54 | bkw__ | peers start with the global mask |
| 21:55.57 | bkw__ | then build from there |
| 21:55.58 | iCEBrkr | dogtanian: haha |
| 21:56.00 | iCEBrkr | flog it |
| 21:56.02 | iCEBrkr | hahahaha |
| 21:56.05 | TedC | right. I want to enable g729 to be primary when it's enabled. |
| 21:56.06 | bkw__ | you can do a per peer disallow and then all per peer |
| 21:56.12 | denon | fleabay? |
| 21:56.15 | TedC | right. |
| 21:56.16 | bkw__ | you got one bug here |
| 21:56.20 | bkw__ | asterisk sucks in this dept. |
| 21:56.24 | dogtanian | gheybay |
| 21:56.25 | bkw__ | if a call comes in ulaw |
| 21:56.26 | bkw__ | and you want g729 |
| 21:56.29 | bkw__ | but you allow ulaw |
| 21:56.31 | bkw__ | it will pick ulaw |
| 21:56.35 | bkw__ | even if it was last on the list |
| 21:56.36 | iCEBrkr | bkw__: I hate that |
| 21:56.45 | bkw__ | I do too |
| 21:56.46 | iCEBrkr | bkw__: You've just answered one of my questions. |
| 21:56.46 | TedC | bkw__: Ahhh, interesting. |
| 21:56.48 | bkw__ | we fixed it |
| 21:56.54 | bkw__ | but was told NO NO NO NO |
| 21:57.06 | iCEBrkr | *Sigh* |
| 21:57.11 | bkw__ | its asterisks attempt to save resources and not transcode if it doesn't need to |
| 21:57.20 | bkw__ | but its software it shoudl do what I tell it to |
| 21:57.27 | bkw__ | and not what it thinks is the "right" thing! |
| 21:57.32 | iCEBrkr | bkw__: then how the hell are you supposed to use other codecs when you NEED them? |
| 21:57.33 | TedC | that's a problem with limited bandwidth links that only support g729 and ulaw. |
| 21:57.33 | bsdfreak | heh |
| 21:57.35 | dogtanian | so... does *@home really contain traps to fool * noobs? |
| 21:57.35 | bsdfreak | yes it would be nice if software did that more often |
| 21:57.48 | iCEBrkr | TedC: Right |
| 21:57.56 | bsdfreak | dogtan: traps? |
| 21:57.56 | bkw__ | iCEBrkr, you hack it |
| 21:57.58 | bsdfreak | not really |
| 21:57.58 | bsdfreak | heh |
| 21:58.07 | iCEBrkr | haha |
| 21:58.15 | dogtanian | just wondering if it'd be better to go with full * |
| 21:58.23 | iCEBrkr | great, then I gotta keep a .patch file forever upgrade. |
| 21:58.23 | bkw__ | i'm telling you anthm and I spent two weeks on the codec order stuff in Asterisk |
| 21:58.58 | bkw__ | <-- seems to be well hated in some circles |
| 21:59.07 | TedC | thanks for the info. I'll just leave it at only g729 for now. |
| 21:59.15 | bkw__ | TedC, thats the best bet |
| 21:59.17 | TedC | thanks for the info. I'll just leave it at only g729 for now. |
| 21:59.18 | iCEBrkr | bkw__: I h8 u, u bastard. |
| 21:59.24 | bkw__ | see :P |
| 21:59.25 | bkw__ | haha |
| 21:59.26 | iCEBrkr | haha |
| 21:59.37 | iCEBrkr | awww |
| 21:59.42 | twisted[asteria] | o.O |
| 21:59.46 | iCEBrkr | lol |
| 21:59.59 | MikeJ[Laptop] | tony has done some cool stuff to libiax2 recently as well... |
| 22:00.00 | denon | *grin* |
| 22:00.15 | MikeJ[Laptop] | the codec pref stuff is exposed in it as well as of last week |
| 22:00.29 | bkw__ | i'm just not as involved as I used to be |
| 22:00.34 | znoG | is there a way, from command line, to execute a command to the Asterisk CLI? |
| 22:00.35 | denon | so how ya been bkw? |
| 22:00.46 | bkw__ | excellent since I walked away from the drama of Asterisk |
| 22:00.46 | iCEBrkr | bkw__: I think it's cuz you're involved elsewhere... |
| 22:01.01 | bkw__ | iCEBrkr, ya but I have been busy making our network more robust |
| 22:01.05 | denon | bkw: no need to get political .. |
| 22:01.08 | bkw__ | which reminds me |
| 22:01.12 | denon | just asking how you've been personally |
| 22:01.13 | bkw__ | denon, right |
| 22:01.24 | bkw__ | denon, a-ok |
| 22:01.31 | bkw__ | I'm in a better mood and more productive also |
| 22:01.40 | iCEBrkr | 5pm |
| 22:01.45 | iCEBrkr | Which means it's time to go home |
| 22:01.50 | bkw__ | 4pm here boi |
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| 22:01.52 | bkw__ | you can't leave yet |
| 22:01.56 | iCEBrkr | bkw__: Watch me! |
| 22:02.02 | bkw__ | this is IRC you ninny |
| 22:02.05 | bkw__ | I can't watch you do anything |
| 22:02.07 | bkw__ | :P |
| 22:02.08 | iCEBrkr | oh |
| 22:02.09 | iCEBrkr | shit |
| 22:02.14 | iCEBrkr | well, I"m leaving |
| 22:02.17 | iCEBrkr | see. |
| 22:02.18 | iCEBrkr | here I go |
| 22:02.27 | bkw__ | the lake is down like 15ft |
| 22:02.30 | bkw__ | thats bad |
| 22:03.06 | znoG | so, can one run an Asterisk command from shell (like: database put ABC DEF)( |
| 22:03.14 | bkw__ | yes |
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| 22:03.55 | marcus2 | sweet |
| 22:04.00 | marcus2 | ordered my first polycom 601 |
| 22:04.22 | twisted[asteria] | i ordered my first voip server from tyco a few days ago |
| 22:04.57 | denon | tyco? the toy company? |
| 22:04.58 | Assid | aargh.. i mention the context.. but this thing doesnt wanna go to that context |
| 22:05.05 | twisted[asteria] | denon, t'was a joke |
| 22:05.05 | Assid | always trying to go for default |
| 22:05.17 | denon | Assid: voicemailmain? |
| 22:05.24 | denon | Assid: do VoiceMailMain(@context) |
| 22:05.26 | denon | note the @ |
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| 22:06.19 | bkw__ | voicemail sucks |
| 22:06.23 | Assid | denon: err.. incoming calls over iax |
| 22:06.38 | Assid | all my other contexts work.. EXCEPT this particular account |
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| 22:08.59 | mog_work | voicemail rules... |
| 22:09.05 | bkw__ | actually no |
| 22:09.09 | bkw__ | you're blinded |
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| 22:09.19 | bkw__ | to really be voicemail it needs to be re-written |
| 22:09.30 | mog_work | and everything could use more time |
| 22:09.43 | mog_work | oss stuff is always like that |
| 22:09.44 | bkw__ | no if it were done right from the start no time would be needed to correct it |
| 22:09.46 | mog_work | nothing is ever done |
| 22:10.08 | msw | mog_work: same is true for all software... |
| 22:10.11 | mog_work | i saw a commit to ls recent |
| 22:10.13 | mog_work | ly |
| 22:10.13 | msw | mog_work: oss or otherwise... |
| 22:10.18 | PBXtech | are there any service org's in here that so contracted service work? |
| 22:10.43 | Assid | umm .. how do you disable voicemail from emailing? |
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| 22:10.55 | mog_work | err ls |
| 22:12.00 | Assid | ? |
| 22:12.11 | bkw__ | Assid, you read the sample config |
| 22:12.18 | bkw__ | and don't include an email address in the config |
| 22:12.31 | Assid | right |
| 22:12.32 | Assid | thanks |
| 22:12.34 | mog_work | yeah its in the samples how to not include the attachment or not to send emails at all |
| 22:13.31 | SkramX | Im ho-ome, bitches |
| 22:13.55 | bkw__ | what? |
| 22:14.05 | SkramX | :) |
| 22:14.06 | bkw__ | homo? |
| 22:14.15 | SkramX | Home. |
| 22:14.18 | mog_work | brian you need to stop imagining things |
| 22:14.24 | mog_work | besides you have a man |
| 22:14.33 | SkramX | heh |
| 22:14.33 | bkw__ | a vivid imagination is the keep to creativity |
| 22:14.38 | bkw__ | er key |
| 22:14.49 | bkw__ | trying to type going down the highway is fun |
| 22:14.49 | SkramX | Brian, I think you need a nap |
| 22:14.52 | SkramX | :) |
| 22:14.55 | SkramX | oh |
| 22:14.56 | SkramX | heh! |
| 22:15.01 | Assid | alrite.. i gotta head to bed |
| 22:15.07 | Assid | 3.45 am.. isnt fun |
| 22:15.09 | bkw__ | its about like trying to type while on a plane and you hit turblance |
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| 22:21.23 | iCEBrkr | man, that was the fastest I ever got home |
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| 22:24.30 | jsaunders | iCEBrkr: Bad case of the runs? Heh. |
| 22:24.43 | jsaunders | Made a b-line fer the crapper hey. |
| 22:25.18 | [hC] | Hey, Im trying to add a member to a queue for a reception ringdown, only one of the members rather than SIP/exten is defined in my dialplan, its not a direct sip connection.. SO, i figured i could add member=>Local/exten |
| 22:25.21 | [hC] | yet it doesnt try calling it |
| 22:25.27 | [hC] | How should i do that? |
| 22:25.38 | iCEBrkr | jsaunders: haha |
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| 22:32.57 | Pazzo | ehm... is it possible to configure user-based attachment format (wav49|wav|gsm) using "realtime voicemail" with asterisk 1.2? |
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| 22:37.43 | paryl | i can't get autologoff to work properly... there isn't a bug i on't know about or something, is there? |
| 22:38.09 | paryl | calls come from my queue and ring indefinitely on the chosen extension |
| 22:39.27 | paryl | i have autologoff=15 in agents.conf and timeout=10 in queues.conf, but neither seems to be doing it's job |
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| 22:53.09 | psirac | hello world ! |
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| 22:54.23 | psirac | can somebody help me with asterfax configuration ? |
| 22:54.42 | psirac | i can't send fax |
| 22:54.44 | psirac | :/ |
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| 22:59.20 | Bakermd | Faxes are for those without scanners - we call them l00sers! |
| 22:59.26 | Bakermd | Sorry, have not done fax |
| 23:02.23 | Seldon1975 | hi guys |
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| 23:02.38 | Seldon1975 | i have to replace Zaptel version 1.2.1 with version 1.2 on my machine |
| 23:02.40 | *** part/#asterisk zanewestover (n=Administ@67.106.39.10.ptr.us.xo.net) |
| 23:02.48 | Seldon1975 | can someone tell me how to do this cleanly |
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| 23:05.30 | Seldon1975 | can I just get 1.2 from svn and do a make clean; make install |
| 23:05.38 | Seldon1975 | or do I need to delete the old one first? |
| 23:05.46 | Seldon1975 | ls |
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| 23:09.24 | g__ | all is quiet, on new year's day.. |
| 23:11.47 | shmaltz | shhhhhhhhh shhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 23:12.08 | SkramX | ? |
| 23:12.36 | g__ | i want to be with you be with you night and day.. |
| 23:12.40 | shmaltz | SkramX, hi JewBoy :P |
| 23:13.50 | tzafrir_laptop | Seldon1975, asterisk is rather independent of the zaptel kernel modules. |
| 23:14.19 | tzafrir_laptop | get the specific branch of zaptel and install just the modules. However why would you downgrade? |
| 23:14.30 | zanewestover | g__ must have music on hold working now |
| 23:14.35 | Seldon1975 | the digium guys told me to |
| 23:14.48 | g__ | We can't afford U2 for MOH! |
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| 23:14.52 | tzafrir_laptop | BTW: there should be also tarballs of older versions on the ftp site in the "old" directory |
| 23:15.14 | Seldon1975 | they said I need to try 1.2 because Im getting echos |
| 23:15.18 | Seldon1975 | making outgoing calls |
| 23:15.34 | Seldon1975 | so once I get the source for 1.2 can I just do make clean; make install |
| 23:15.50 | Seldon1975 | ro do I need to delete the old directories?? |
| 23:15.53 | zanewestover | I have service through sixtel (not the best idea). They have a bootlegged copy of Britney Spear's Coca-Cola commercial for their MOH. |
| 23:15.56 | Seldon1975 | ls |
| 23:16.03 | zanewestover | I prefer g__ singing U2 |
| 23:16.54 | jarrod | hey.. what is standard for setting the transmit and receive gain when experiencing echo? |
| 23:17.00 | jarrod | i call someone and hear myself |
| 23:17.18 | jarrod | haha |
| 23:17.18 | jarrod | :) |
| 23:17.44 | g__ | jarrod: usually whatever you can get away with. |
| 23:18.00 | jarrod | yea but are there any docs on what is good to push |
| 23:18.01 | g__ | I found I had to turn my gain levels bellow standard.. |
| 23:18.10 | jarrod | or try |
| 23:18.27 | jarrod | see i dont know what standard is.. |
| 23:18.29 | jarrod | which one to set |
| 23:18.33 | jarrod | what gain does for the echo |
| 23:18.37 | g__ | There are a couple of wiki entries on the subject.. with links to the mailing list. |
| 23:18.41 | jarrod | oh |
| 23:19.22 | Seldon1975 | tzafrir can you advise me whether I need to delete the old directories |
| 23:23.52 | g__ | I have crappy computer speakers, but 3 VoIP phones on my desk. Maybe I could send one channel to each phone.. |
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| 23:29.57 | jsaunders | And slap 'em out on speakerphone. |
| 23:30.09 | g__ | Exactly.. |
| 23:30.45 | jsaunders | I've got Pink Floyd MOH. Heh. Luv it. |
| 23:31.40 | g__ | If you setup two different MOHs: a 'right channel' and 'left channel', could you keep them in sync? |
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| 23:32.27 | litage | which codecs do x-ten's softphones support? |
| 23:35.07 | g__ | Does voip-info have anything on the subject? |
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| 23:45.36 | Seldon1975 | how do I stop Zaptel |
| 23:45.50 | Nugget | hit the power switch. |
| 23:46.18 | Seldon1975 | no really |
| 23:46.27 | Nugget | what, you think that won't work? :) |
| 23:46.31 | g__ | it works! |
| 23:46.37 | KranZ | rmmod zaptel |
| 23:46.45 | Seldon1975 | thanks k |
| 23:46.48 | g__ | rmmod -f ? |
| 23:46.58 | KranZ | itll prolly nah about something else using it |
| 23:47.10 | KranZ | like wct4xxp or whatever board driver |
| 23:47.17 | g__ | What's the fun otherwise? |
| 23:47.20 | Seldon1975 | yep got it |
| 23:47.23 | KranZ | in that case, rmmod wct4xxp then rmmod zaptel |
| 23:47.28 | Seldon1975 | cool |
| 23:47.29 | Seldon1975 | ta |
| 23:48.00 | Seldon1975 | now to overwrite my old version of Zaptel I just run make clean; make install from the newer source dir? |
| 23:48.06 | Seldon1975 | pwd |
| 23:48.12 | Nugget | http://lnk.nu/slacker.com/lt |
| 23:48.33 | shmaltz | Seldon1975 yep |
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| 23:50.19 | Seldon1975 | thx |
| 23:51.40 | mishehu | anybody having problems with rxfax compiling on 1.2.1? |
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| 23:53.27 | eumsm | whats the best opensource billing sistem for asterisk?mcc? |
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| 23:55.14 | Seldon1975 | hmm |
| 23:55.35 | Seldon1975 | i did make clean; make install from the new asterisk source dir, but it hasnt overwriteen my extensions.conf |
| 23:55.38 | Seldon1975 | any ideas> |
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| 23:57.32 | Seldon1975 | maybe i didnt sop asterisk properly |
| 23:57.37 | Seldon1975 | how should I do this? |
| 23:57.54 | fugitivo | why you want to overwrite your extensions.conf? |
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| 23:58.22 | fugitivo | you need to do a "make samples" for that, it'll copy all the sample config files |
| 23:58.27 | SkramX | fugitivo: make samples |
| 23:58.34 | SkramX | or delete extensions.conf and make |
| 23:58.37 | SkramX | again |
| 23:58.50 | fugitivo | SkramX: not me :) |
| 23:59.17 | Seldon1975 | ah yes |
| 23:59.19 | Seldon1975 | thanks |
| 23:59.22 | Seldon1975 | pwd |
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