| 00:01.23 | Shaun2222 | [TK]D-Fender: you around? |
| 00:01.39 | [TK]D-Fender | Shaun2222, yup |
| 00:01.59 | *** join/#asterisk [hC] (n=hardcore@S01060016b6b53c0c.vc.shawcable.net) |
| 00:02.10 | Shaun2222 | hey, is it normal for me to see a message for each B channel saying that is was successfuly restarted on span 1 in asterisk randomly.. |
| 00:02.41 | Shaun2222 | i went to bed, got up and saw probably that it probably happened 5 or 6 times |
| 00:02.44 | [TK]D-Fender | Shaun2222, yes, thats the priresetinterval |
| 00:02.56 | [TK]D-Fender | Shaun2222, you can disable that in zapata.conf |
| 00:03.18 | Shaun2222 | should i? |
| 00:03.25 | Shaun2222 | what if that channel was in use? |
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| 00:03.54 | [TK]D-Fender | Shaun2222, Don't worry, it doesn't kill calls |
| 00:04.43 | Shaun2222 | i dont see a restart interval in teh zapata.conf so i assume it's using a default value. |
| 00:06.25 | [TK]D-Fender | Shaun2222, Go look at the samples for the precise parameter name and value |
| 00:11.05 | Shaun2222 | [TK]D-Fender: ya i'll need to find out what this does exactly and the reason for it. |
| 00:11.16 | Shaun2222 | i just want to ensure it's setup correctly. |
| 00:14.33 | *** part/#asterisk Justinfo (n=nick@bgl93-3-82-230-208-124.fbx.proxad.net) |
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| 00:23.27 | drmessano | Wow |
| 00:23.37 | drmessano | Phoner and PhonerLite support G722 now |
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| 00:35.10 | omfgicbts | Howdy folks. I was wondering if there is still a stability issue with multiple connections to the asterisk manager interface ? |
| 00:36.14 | omfgicbts | Most of what I've read about it is a bit dated and the fine people producing "Snap" seem to think it's no longer an issue. |
| 00:37.16 | ardor2 | I get this lines in my asterisk CLI |
| 00:37.18 | ardor2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:37.18 | ardor2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:37.42 | ardor2 | But when i do a sip show peers, it says the Peer is unreachable, I can ping it though, and it has the correct IP being displayed. |
| 00:42.25 | fujin | Is it lagging? |
| 00:42.30 | fujin | I'm having similar weird behaviour, although it's not a phone. |
| 00:42.35 | ardor2 | 302/302 192.168.1.102 D N 5060 UNREACHABLE |
| 00:42.45 | ardor2 | thats what sip show peers says. |
| 00:42.59 | fujin | a peer with qualify=yes responds happily to ping/mtr, yet chan_sip.so believes it's unreachable |
| 00:43.34 | ardor2 | How do i fix it? |
| 00:43.39 | fujin | no idea |
| 00:43.41 | fujin | sorry :) |
| 00:43.55 | [hC] | its likely a nat issue |
| 00:44.02 | [hC] | or is it on the same lan? |
| 00:44.23 | ardor2 | its on a lan, everything seems to be 192.168.1.* with a netmask of 255.255.255.0 |
| 00:44.25 | fujin | mine is across a nat, but has been working fine up until now |
| 00:44.30 | *** join/#asterisk Winkie (n=urmom@general-ld-220.t-mobile.co.uk) |
| 00:44.33 | fujin | [hC]: what does qualify *actually* do? |
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| 00:44.52 | *** mode/#asterisk [+o mog] by ChanServ |
| 00:44.53 | fujin | if I could just track down what it's actually trying to do, so that I can replicate it and diagnose wether it's a problem with the sip peer |
| 00:44.55 | [hC] | fujin: i believe it sends an OPTIONS packet and times the response |
| 00:45.04 | fujin | so I should see it in sip debug? |
| 00:45.07 | [hC] | yes |
| 00:46.27 | fujin | http://rafb.net/p/jMakEU58.html |
| 00:46.29 | fujin | make any sense? |
| 00:46.36 | fujin | looks like my provider is munging the OPTIONS or something. |
| 00:46.43 | sergey | ardor2, try qualify=off |
| 00:46.54 | *** join/#asterisk ming_zym (n=ming_zym@nat/yahoo/x-7780765604bb82d7) |
| 00:49.53 | *** join/#asterisk ani216 (n=ani216@6.104.119.70.cfl.res.rr.com) |
| 00:50.01 | ardor2 | ok I will sergey |
| 00:50.06 | ardor2 | I also set nat=no |
| 00:50.55 | [hC] | youre doing nat |
| 00:51.04 | [hC] | it looks to me like asterisk and the phone are both natted? |
| 00:51.17 | ardor2 | but thereon the same lan? |
| 00:51.33 | *** join/#asterisk craigk (n=ckowald@58.174.150.119) |
| 00:51.39 | sergey | ardor2, for me was take off qualify |
| 00:51.48 | [hC] | they dont appear to be, one is 192.168 and the other is a public ip |
| 00:52.24 | ardor2 | why do you say the other is a public |
| 00:52.43 | ardor2 | one is 192.168.1.102 sip phone, and 192.168.1.11 (asterisk server) |
| 00:52.50 | ardor2 | surgey trying now |
| 00:53.11 | ardor2 | but my nat should be no right? |
| 00:53.18 | sergey | I have such situations and qualify seems not for use |
| 00:53.19 | ardor2 | cuz freepbx set it to on. |
| 00:54.27 | [hC] | i'm confused |
| 00:54.32 | [hC] | im looking at fujin's pastebin |
| 00:54.47 | [hC] | From: "asterisk" <sip:asterisk@192.168.108.3:5060>;tag=as607f07e5 |
| 00:54.48 | [hC] | To: <sip:58.28.20.101> |
| 00:54.56 | ardor2 | ah. |
| 00:54.56 | [hC] | asterisk is 192.168.108.3 |
| 00:55.00 | [hC] | phone is 58.28.20.101 |
| 00:55.07 | fujin | no, my upstream peer is 58.28.20.101 |
| 00:55.21 | ardor2 | now sip show peers say they are unmonitored. |
| 00:55.45 | fujin | wtf, I wonder why that sip debug shows it comign from 192.168.108.3 |
| 00:55.46 | [hC] | so are you guys working on the same problem, or do you both have the same thing but you are two different instances? |
| 00:55.54 | fujin | oh, mine's a different problem afaik |
| 00:55.59 | [hC] | fujin: is your asterisk box natted |
| 00:56.02 | ardor2 | two different instances |
| 00:56.09 | fujin | my asterisk box is behind a nat, yes, |
| 00:56.13 | sergey | ardor2, sorry what for you need qualify=on? |
| 00:56.16 | [hC] | fujin: you need to set externip= and localnet= in sip.conf for it to work |
| 00:56.22 | [hC] | externip=your.public.ip |
| 00:56.26 | [hC] | localnet=192.168.108.0/24 |
| 00:56.36 | ardor2 | so, native bridge isnt working (still) and when the line is disconnect the sip phone doesnt know it. |
| 00:56.59 | [TK]D-Fender | fujin, Retransmitting #1 (NAT) to 58.28.20.101:5060: |
| 00:56.59 | fujin | [hC]: will reload chan_sip.so note these changes? |
| 00:57.08 | [TK]D-Fender | fujin, From: "asterisk" <sip:asterisk@192.168.108.2>;tag=as0852cd5b |
| 00:57.21 | [TK]D-Fender | fujin, Your externip is looking to be screwed up |
| 00:57.34 | [hC] | fujin: im not sure. best to just do a restart now |
| 00:57.37 | [TK]D-Fender | fujin, pastebin your sip.conf |
| 00:57.37 | fujin | ugh |
| 00:57.42 | fujin | there's no way I'm restarting right now |
| 00:57.43 | [hC] | [TK]D-Fender: already on it |
| 00:57.48 | [hC] | then just try a reload |
| 00:57.58 | [TK]D-Fender | fujin, YES, a simple "reload" will do the job, you don't even have to reload chan_sip |
| 00:58.09 | [TK]D-Fender | Geez people! |
| 00:58.12 | sergey | ardor2, use nat for spetial routing table on * |
| 00:58.19 | sergey | special |
| 00:58.43 | fujin | http://rafb.net/p/89PE8976.html |
| 00:59.05 | [hC] | once you specify externip and localnet and do a reload you should be able to then set nat=yes and qualify=yes on your sip peers |
| 00:59.36 | [TK]D-Fender | fujin, You are completely screwed up thre |
| 00:59.38 | fujin | Status : UNREACHABLE |
| 00:59.48 | [TK]D-Fender | fujin, that stuff belongs uncder GERENAL <----- |
| 00:59.51 | [TK]D-Fender | under* |
| 00:59.53 | ardor2 | fujin so for me I should have nat=no |
| 00:59.57 | ardor2 | becuase its on the same line |
| 01:00.06 | fujin | [TK]D-Fender: won't that break my other peers, phones? |
| 01:00.11 | [hC] | theres no reason to ever put nat=no, imho.. if it needs it, it will use it, if not, it doesnt hurt. |
| 01:00.19 | [TK]D-Fender | fujin, Your understanding of this is broken. |
| 01:00.21 | fujin | or does externip/localnet only matter when nat=yes |
| 01:00.25 | fujin | your explanation of this is broken |
| 01:00.26 | [TK]D-Fender | use pastebin.com please |
| 01:00.49 | fujin | what exactly would you like me to pastebin? |
| 01:01.01 | [TK]D-Fender | fujin, You are telling ASTERISK that it is behind NAT and what IT'S IP and loacl subnet range is. |
| 01:01.07 | *** join/#asterisk hobbes615 (n=ryan@c-68-52-211-35.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) |
| 01:01.13 | [TK]D-Fender | fujin, Except you are telling thins in a peer <- |
| 01:01.25 | *** join/#asterisk Justinfo (n=nick@bgl93-3-82-230-208-124.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 01:01.40 | fujin | so? |
| 01:01.40 | [TK]D-Fender | fujin, please pastebin.com your sip.conf again so I can fix this mess. |
| 01:01.48 | fujin | phones <> cisco-as5400-outbound |
| 01:01.49 | fujin | works fine |
| 01:01.50 | Justinfo | hi |
| 01:01.53 | fujin | cisco-as5400-inbound <> phones |
| 01:01.54 | fujin | works fine |
| 01:01.57 | fujin | just that other peer does not |
| 01:02.01 | [TK]D-Fender | fujin, Your params are all in the wrong places. |
| 01:02.07 | fujin | that *is* my sip.conf |
| 01:02.20 | [TK]D-Fender | fujin, "externip does not belong ANYWHERE except under [general] |
| 01:02.26 | fujin | k, fixed |
| 01:02.41 | fujin | thank fuck for that |
| 01:02.44 | fujin | Status : OK (6 ms) |
| 01:02.46 | fujin | thanks |
| 01:02.53 | [TK]D-Fender | fujin, I'm offering to fix this for you, shove it in pastebin.com because I can't see an easy way to rafb. |
| 01:03.09 | [TK]D-Fender | edit |
| 01:03.19 | Justinfo | i got sipura3000 adapter |
| 01:03.25 | fujin | It's fine. It's fixed. |
| 01:03.58 | Justinfo | is it possible using asterisk to re-route the PSTN line to the net ? |
| 01:04.39 | fujin | yes |
| 01:04.48 | ardor2 | this is mine |
| 01:04.49 | fujin | although that's very much the wrong terminology, and the wrong idea |
| 01:04.49 | ardor2 | http://pastebin.com/m314b827a |
| 01:05.18 | [TK]D-Fender | fujin, http://pastebin.com/m79d73156 |
| 01:05.49 | *** join/#asterisk tobias (n=tobias@user-0ce2hr3.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 01:05.57 | [TK]D-Fender | fujin, Where things should be. |
| 01:06.20 | fujin | nat=yes is fine on a peer definition |
| 01:06.39 | fujin | but yes, as I stated ^^ |
| 01:06.42 | fujin | it's fixed, thanks |
| 01:06.52 | [TK]D-Fender | fujin, Indeed it is... if that peer is itself behind another NAT |
| 01:07.26 | fujin | well, I don't know if wxc is behind a NAT |
| 01:07.47 | [TK]D-Fender | fujin, but your externip & localnet are what get used in creating packet to that host. Its like phoning your neighbour, telling him the WRONG number, and waiting forever for him to call back and wondering why your phone never rings. |
| 01:07.56 | [TK]D-Fender | fujin, You don't actually have to care. |
| 01:08.12 | fujin | I just assume they are? |
| 01:08.26 | [TK]D-Fender | fujin, For a remote host on the internet somewhere it is generally safe to just shove "nat=yes" regardless. |
| 01:08.32 | Justinfo | if yes when i m using the net line (pstn re-route line), can i make and receive calls on my pstn line ? |
| 01:08.51 | [TK]D-Fender | fujin, the few times it isn't is for things like ITSP's where the IP will be different because they refer you to a proxy <- |
| 01:09.03 | fujin | [Jan 7 14:03:42] WARNING[26649]: chan_sip.c:12176 handle_response_invite: Received response: "Forbidden" from '"Maxnet" <sip:093007222@123.100.66.24>;tag=as7a573949' |
| 01:09.17 | [TK]D-Fender | Justinfo, that made NO sense.... try rewording your question please. |
| 01:09.31 | *** join/#asterisk cesar_CR (n=cr@celord.ice.co.cr) |
| 01:09.56 | fujin | any ideas what that is, fendeR? |
| 01:10.58 | [TK]D-Fender | fujin, that? some auth issue.... |
| 01:11.13 | [TK]D-Fender | fujin, Exactly what, no I don't. |
| 01:11.14 | Justinfo | using sipura 3000 who is connected to my pstn line i configure my SIP account |
| 01:11.21 | fujin | there's no auth on it, they just check the IP it's coming from |
| 01:11.38 | [TK]D-Fender | fujin, might help to see the complete call attempt.... |
| 01:11.59 | Justinfo | how many SIP account can be able to create using one pstn line ? |
| 01:12.04 | [TK]D-Fender | fujin, please avoid pasting single lines like that. Youreally can't tell without seeing tho whole call. |
| 01:12.29 | [TK]D-Fender | Justinfo, What do you mean "how many sip account"? This makes no sense. |
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| 01:13.17 | Justinfo | r u human being ? |
| 01:13.30 | *** join/#asterisk ardor2 (n=ardorlan@74.7.211.21) |
| 01:13.32 | *** part/#asterisk omfgicbts (i=ray@cpe-65-189-198-222.neo.res.rr.com) |
| 01:13.48 | fujin | [TK]D-Fender http://pastebin.com/d52fed839 |
| 01:14.00 | *** join/#asterisk iamthelostboy (n=nathan@125-236-212-46.adsl.xtra.co.nz) |
| 01:14.12 | Justinfo | ardor2: r u there ? |
| 01:14.16 | [TK]D-Fender | Justinfo, Yes, and one who has a grasp of the english language. |
| 01:14.19 | Justinfo | do u understang |
| 01:14.27 | iamthelostboy | hi, ive managed to break our phone system.. its not starting the zapata stuff |
| 01:14.30 | [TK]D-Fender | Justinfo, And no, he just left, pay attention. |
| 01:14.53 | [TK]D-Fender | Justinfo, what does "multiple sip accounts" have to do with "pstn line"? |
| 01:14.58 | iamthelostboy | if i do an lsmod, i see both wctdm and zaptel |
| 01:15.10 | iamthelostboy | what am i forgetting ? |
| 01:15.32 | [TK]D-Fender | iamthelostboy, try "ztcfg -vvvv" then restart * |
| 01:15.53 | Justinfo | my question is it possible or not to create multiple sip accounts with one pstn line |
| 01:15.55 | Justinfo | ??? |
| 01:16.11 | [TK]D-Fender | fujin, can you please provide the complete call... I want to see the ENTIRE Invite... |
| 01:16.42 | [TK]D-Fender | Justinfo, * can have a MILLION SIP accounts.... your SPA 3000 has no impact on this. |
| 01:16.53 | iamthelostboy | [TK]D-Fender: thanks.. i new there was something.. much appriciated.. *goes off to add * to startup scripts* |
| 01:16.53 | fujin | ugh, all my other calls over the as5400-outound peer have no outbound audio now. |
| 01:16.54 | ardor2 | does anyone in here like Polycoms? |
| 01:17.10 | [TK]D-Fender | ardor2, Best choice on the market these days |
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| 01:17.12 | *** mode/#asterisk [+o russellb] by ChanServ |
| 01:17.30 | ardor2 | D-fender i can get this Standpoint 301 to register with my server. |
| 01:17.36 | [TK]D-Fender | fujin, Where is it located relative to *? And pastebin your current sip.conf |
| 01:18.28 | Justinfo | okay that is not my question |
| 01:18.50 | [TK]D-Fender | ardor2, well nothing in your earlier pastebin shows me that it even knows your server's IP. |
| 01:19.29 | Justinfo | using asterisk with one pstn line with multiple sip account |
| 01:19.56 | Justinfo | is it possible to make and receive calls |
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| 01:20.07 | ardor2 | Justinfo If one of your sip aaccount is on the PSTN line, NONE OF THE OTHER CAN BE. |
| 01:20.08 | [TK]D-Fender | Justinfo, a "pstn line" does not have a "sipp account", let alone multiple. |
| 01:20.10 | Justinfo | on each accounts |
| 01:22.07 | ardor2 | TKD-Fender it gets the sip server ip address from the server.cfg that i didnt include. **i think** |
| 01:22.30 | [TK]D-Fender | ardor2, well I can tell you that nothing you included has it. |
| 01:22.40 | Justinfo | ardor2: and anlogue phone and sip phone can be work at the same time ? |
| 01:22.58 | ardor2 | work to asterisk. |
| 01:23.06 | ardor2 | or be bridge(Connected) together. |
| 01:23.50 | [TK]D-Fender | Justinfo, Which "analog phone", and which "sip phone" are you talking about? Be precise please. |
| 01:23.52 | ardor2 | http://pastebin.com/m63702a09 sorry Fender, i jsut added the server.cfg file to it |
| 01:25.02 | ardor2 | I think this device that i am plugged into might be acting as a router, Fender. if so you were right, I am behide nat. |
| 01:25.09 | ardor2 | going to move the phone. |
| 01:26.11 | [TK]D-Fender | ardor2, indeed that would not be brilliant |
| 01:26.14 | Justinfo | listen my ISP provider give 2 phones lines one the normal one which works with the analogue phone and the other work with internet |
| 01:26.24 | Justinfo | using sip account |
| 01:26.37 | Justinfo | with a softphone |
| 01:27.42 | Justinfo | and the 2 lines got the same phone number |
| 01:27.47 | [TK]D-Fender | Justinfo, fine, lets reword that as "I have an ITSP". An ITSP does not "work with an analog phone". Perhaps you are referring to a DEVICE they gave you to let you plug an analog phone IN to talk to them with. |
| 01:28.27 | ardor2 | Fender I am getting depressed now, it cleary says Switch, but whatever =) |
| 01:29.20 | [TK]D-Fender | ardor2, Routers have switch ports too you know.. many are popularly 4-port switches... and they also issue DHCP of their own and that poses more nifty problems. Go figure out what you're doing. |
| 01:29.37 | Justinfo | using the analogue phone i can make and receive calls |
| 01:29.54 | Justinfo | at the same time using the sip account |
| 01:30.09 | Justinfo | i can make and receive calls |
| 01:30.23 | [TK]D-Fender | Justinfo, what is this "analog phone" you keep talking about? |
| 01:30.29 | Justinfo | so i wanna know how it works ? |
| 01:30.45 | Justinfo | PSTN line |
| 01:30.49 | ardor2 | the server and the phone on plugged into the same peice of hardware now. |
| 01:31.05 | ardor2 | which is a switch |
| 01:31.34 | [TK]D-Fender | Justinfo, you mean a normal PSTN line coming from the telco? Your ISP gave you are REAL phone line worth of copper wiring from the outside? |
| 01:32.19 | Justinfo | yeah |
| 01:32.24 | Justinfo | and then |
| 01:32.36 | Justinfo | the same isp give a SIP account information |
| 01:33.02 | [TK]D-Fender | Justinfo, so if someone calls your #, will both your softphone and your physical analog line ring? |
| 01:33.08 | Justinfo | so i have collect all of the sip information and configure it with my softphone |
| 01:33.12 | Justinfo | like Xlite |
| 01:33.34 | Justinfo | no |
| 01:33.54 | Justinfo | if some call on my landline phone |
| 01:33.54 | [TK]D-Fender | Justinfo, then what does this SIP account have to do with the analong line? |
| 01:34.01 | Justinfo | i cab receive call |
| 01:34.09 | drmessano | lol |
| 01:34.47 | Justinfo | on the landline |
| 01:35.09 | ardor2 | you can route 1 single landline call at a time to any of the sip phones. Yes. |
| 01:35.25 | Justinfo | for example i talking to u using my landline phone |
| 01:35.25 | ardor2 | or you can have the single landline in a confrence room with mutiply sip phones. |
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| 01:35.43 | *** mode/#asterisk [+o russellb] by ChanServ |
| 01:35.49 | Justinfo | if my brother want to talk to someone |
| 01:36.00 | Justinfo | he can use the sip account |
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| 01:36.28 | *** part/#asterisk jsb- (n=jsb@neptune.uqtr.ca) |
| 01:36.37 | [TK]D-Fender | Justinfo, I think I'm getting an idea now... |
| 01:36.53 | [TK]D-Fender | Justinfo, Let me start from scratch and let me know if I've got this right... |
| 01:37.36 | lucent | [TK]D-Fender: got the vegastream all figured out btw, it was a ridiculous piece of hardware |
| 01:38.13 | Justinfo | ok |
| 01:38.18 | lucent | asterisk wasn't exactly cake to figure out, the username would change depending on the callerid and so I did insecure=port,invite |
| 01:38.33 | [TK]D-Fender | Justinfo, You have an analog line, and a seperate SIP account. You plan on using the SPA-3000 to let * use that line. You ALSO plan on setting up your SIP softphone account on it as well. You want to arrange it so that if you try dialing a phone # on *, that it tries your analog line first via the SPA, and if its busy, go out your soft-phone account instead? |
| 01:38.54 | [TK]D-Fender | lucent, thats what "fromuser" is for as well |
| 01:39.12 | [TK]D-Fender | lucent, I believe that would cause a 407 auth following |
| 01:39.23 | lucent | [TK]D-Fender: the from: changes based on the caller ID |
| 01:39.28 | *** join/#asterisk hyperactivecrond (n=unknown@unaffiliated/hyperactivecrond) |
| 01:39.32 | lucent | I don't entirely understand it |
| 01:39.45 | Justinfo | no |
| 01:40.01 | ardor2 | D-Fender do you know a good guild to conifgure a polycom to asterisk. something really easy, maybe with lots of pictures |
| 01:40.24 | [TK]D-Fender | ardor2, Hard to have pictures with config files..... |
| 01:40.39 | [TK]D-Fender | ardor2, and you haven't shown me anything new.... |
| 01:40.51 | Justinfo | i got a contract with my ISP with telephony and internet unlimited |
| 01:40.52 | Justinfo | okay ? |
| 01:41.16 | [TK]D-Fender | Justinfo, that is completely unneccesary information... |
| 01:41.32 | Justinfo | the ISP give a telephone with number |
| 01:41.35 | [TK]D-Fender | Justinfo, keep adding stuff like that into the conversation and noone will have a clue what your point is. |
| 01:41.47 | hyperactivecrond | My business currently has a nortel pbx right now. We have 3 lines <normal phone lines.> If I wanted to go completely VOIP, using SIP, what would I need besides asterisk, an internet connection, and new phones if I wanted to have 1 number to call into with at least 3 lines available? |
| 01:41.53 | ardor2 | under line 1 identification Address: is my exten number correct? 302? |
| 01:42.10 | [TK]D-Fender | Justinfo, You have an analog line. What does THAT have to do with Asterisk? How is it connected to *? |
| 01:42.29 | Justinfo | wait |
| 01:42.48 | hyperactivecrond | like what would I sign up for for the outgoing/incoming lines? |
| 01:42.48 | [TK]D-Fender | hyperactivecrond, You could go completely VoIP KEEPING your Nortel if you wanted. |
| 01:43.17 | Justinfo | i have one analog line with a number like 123456789 okay |
| 01:43.19 | [TK]D-Fender | hyperactivecrond, You'd just need to plug your existing system's line ports into some FXS ports connected to * somehow. |
| 01:43.38 | [TK]D-Fender | Justinfo, Yes... now move on to tell me what this line has to do with ASTERISK. |
| 01:44.19 | *** join/#asterisk r0d3nt (i=nobody@foster.stonedcoder.org) |
| 01:44.29 | [TK]D-Fender | hyperactivecrond, And for VoiP PSTN service you'd use what is known as an ITSP |
| 01:44.32 | [TK]D-Fender | ~itsp |
| 01:44.32 | jbot | [~itsp] An ITSP is an Internet telephony Service Provider or "VoIP Telephone company". The allow you to either PLACE calls to the PSTN (called Termination), RECEIVE calls from the PSTN (called Origination), or both. Some offer fixed rates, others $/min. Enter ~itsplist-us (USA) or ~itsplist-ca (Canada) for a listing of popular ITSPs |
| 01:44.35 | Justinfo | the same isp give the facility for free using the sip account |
| 01:44.35 | hyperactivecrond | [TK]D-Fender I want voi voice lines |
| 01:44.56 | hyperactivecrond | Now, what would I be signing up for? |
| 01:45.02 | [TK]D-Fender | Justinfo, Stop talking about your "SIP account" and finish telling me what Asterisk has to do with your ANALOG LINE. |
| 01:45.05 | Justinfo | once i collect these information i configure it with xlite |
| 01:45.11 | hyperactivecrond | like the exact terminology |
| 01:45.36 | [TK]D-Fender | hyperactivecrond, see my answer above. |
| 01:46.06 | hyperactivecrond | [TK]D-Fender what is the equivalent of a traditional 'line' in sip/voip terminology? |
| 01:46.26 | [TK]D-Fender | hyperactivecrond, You would then have * register to your ITSP and send the incoming calls out an FXS interface like the Digium TDM04B into the "line" ports on your Norstar. |
| 01:47.22 | [TK]D-Fender | hyperactivecrond, there is no concept of "line" in SIP. You merely have an ACCOUNT with them, and you place/receive calls against it. |
| 01:48.05 | hyperactivecrond | [TK]D-Fender yes, but I can have more than one call coming in on one account, obviously. |
| 01:48.17 | [TK]D-Fender | hyperactivecrond, correct. |
| 01:48.24 | hyperactivecrond | [TK]D-Fender what determines the number of concurrent calls I can have? |
| 01:48.32 | [TK]D-Fender | hyperactivecrond, Each call is just a call or "channel" if you will. |
| 01:48.49 | hyperactivecrond | For example, with our urrent system, we can have 3 calls @ once because we have 3 lines |
| 01:48.54 | [TK]D-Fender | hyperactivecrond, The number of concurrent calls you are allowed depends only on the service that you are paying for. |
| 01:48.58 | drmessano | So, G722.. Im not getting it |
| 01:49.17 | [TK]D-Fender | drmessano, I'm not getting G.722 either... simply not worth it :) |
| 01:49.34 | hyperactivecrond | [TK]D-Fender yes, but what is the terminology that describes the number of concurrent calls we can have? |
| 01:49.38 | drmessano | Im testing it with this softphone.. and I dont get the hype |
| 01:49.42 | Justinfo | configuring xlite with same phone number 123456789, so if i call 123456789 from anlog phone i can talk with xlite and reverse also is possible.and also i can make and receive calls defferent destination at the same time. my question is my iSP use Asterisk server to do the facility ? |
| 01:49.45 | [TK]D-Fender | hyperactivecrond, You can get services for untold number of channels. The costs obviously varies, etc... |
| 01:49.46 | hyperactivecrond | Is it the number of chanels? |
| 01:50.08 | Justinfo | to do the same thing with sipura 3000 on a other line |
| 01:50.18 | [TK]D-Fender | hyperactivecrond, you could just say "simultaneous concurrent calls" <- |
| 01:50.37 | [TK]D-Fender | hyperactivecrond, "channels" isn't a bad choice either but the former is completely unambiguous. |
| 01:51.03 | lucent | hyperactivecrond: DID, not "number" |
| 01:51.06 | ardor2 | D-Fender http://pastebin.com/m60b2bd0d |
| 01:51.16 | ardor2 | I'll send you anything you want D-Fender |
| 01:51.17 | lucent | multiple calls into the same DID? |
| 01:51.20 | ardor2 | Tahnk you for your help |
| 01:51.27 | [TK]D-Fender | lucent, NO./ |
| 01:51.37 | [TK]D-Fender | lucent, You've lost the intent of his question. |
| 01:51.41 | lucent | oh |
| 01:52.19 | [TK]D-Fender | Justinfo, You have not answered my question. What does * have to do with this first analog line you're talking about? |
| 01:53.04 | Justinfo | i just want to configure asterisk like my isp |
| 01:53.15 | Justinfo | using sipura 3000 |
| 01:54.06 | [TK]D-Fender | Justinfo, you have not answered my question. ^^^^^^^^^^^ |
| 01:54.38 | Justinfo | oui c'est sa va te faire voir |
| 01:54.47 | drmessano | lol |
| 01:55.00 | [TK]D-Fender | Would have gone better if he asked me in french :) |
| 01:55.03 | [TK]D-Fender | Moron. |
| 01:55.22 | drmessano | lol |
| 01:55.45 | drmessano | He want to make asterisk like his ISP |
| 01:55.48 | drmessano | duh |
| 01:56.27 | [TK]D-Fender | Seriously, how many times do I have to &^#%$ing ask "WTF are you expecting * to do with your God-damned analog ine?!!" |
| 01:56.59 | drmessano | Its stapled to the side of Asterisk box |
| 01:57.00 | [TK]D-Fender | before he starts talking about some POS SIP account. |
| 01:57.03 | drmessano | ~osmosis |
| 01:57.04 | jbot | [~osmosis] Osmosis is the act of beating yourself on the head repeatedly with THE BOOK, until some measure of absorption has occured ... or at least until your unconsciousness restores peace to the channel ... |
| 01:58.20 | [TK]D-Fender | drmessano, Serious case of ADD. |
| 01:58.28 | *** join/#asterisk hyperactivecrond (n=unknown@unaffiliated/hyperactivecrond) |
| 01:58.37 | hyperactivecrond | damn laptop |
| 01:58.39 | hyperactivecrond | anyway |
| 01:58.43 | [TK]D-Fender | drmessano, good that you're learning the important bot info bits :) |
| 01:58.50 | hyperactivecrond | so the number of channels = number of concurrent calls? |
| 01:58.54 | [TK]D-Fender | drmessano, BTW that one is mine personally :) |
| 01:59.07 | [TK]D-Fender | hyperactivecrond, Yes, you can use those 2 synonymously |
| 01:59.44 | drmessano | Yes, the bots save time |
| 01:59.57 | hyperactivecrond | so if I wanted to have 5 incoming/outgoing calls max, i'd need 5 channels? |
| 02:00.00 | drmessano | Not just flood the channel with useless data better retrieved via RSS |
| 02:00.32 | [TK]D-Fender | hyperactivecrond, you need to seperate your USE of channels. |
| 02:00.58 | [TK]D-Fender | hyperactivecrond, between * and your ITSP you can have any number of "channels" depending on what THEY limit you to and your bandwidth. |
| 02:01.24 | [TK]D-Fender | hyperactivecrond, but you can only have 3 channels INTO your Nortel from * because naturally you only have 3 line ports. |
| 02:01.25 | hyperactivecrond | Let's forget the nortel pbx for now |
| 02:02.12 | [TK]D-Fender | hyperactivecrond, fine, barring Nortel, your * server can use as many channels as your bandwith and the service you contracted supports. Dozens, hundreds even. |
| 02:02.26 | hyperactivecrond | We only have 3 phones atm, so it's not that big of a deal to swap out |
| 02:02.51 | hyperactivecrond | also, it's possbible in * to set up incoming cals to ring all extensions? |
| 02:02.58 | [TK]D-Fender | hyperactivecrond, indeed if you're looking to go pure VoIP.... or heck, involve * at ALL..... trash that POS :) (resale) |
| 02:03.02 | [TK]D-Fender | hyperactivecrond, Yes |
| 02:03.10 | dacs | [TK]D-Fender: dude , do you ever sleep? |
| 02:03.43 | [TK]D-Fender | hyperactivecrond, * can process your calls any which way you want, based on if its tuesday night, its raining in Istanbul, and the NY Rangers actually WON last nights game... |
| 02:04.21 | ardor2 | http://threebit.net/mail-archive/asterisk-users/msg07122.html |
| 02:04.26 | ardor2 | going to reboot my router, WTF. |
| 02:04.43 | [TK]D-Fender | hyperactivecrond, Translation : Yes, your Nortel is a boring dead-end POS toaster with no future or aspirations of real functionailty and should be disposed of with extreme prejudice/ |
| 02:04.51 | hyperactivecrond | good |
| 02:05.03 | dacs | anyone see timeshell here? |
| 02:05.10 | dacs | !seen timeshell |
| 02:05.21 | dacs | ~seen timeshell |
| 02:05.22 | jbot | timeshell <n=Khoja@206.248.136.108> was last seen on IRC in channel #asterisk, 15d 1h 13m 21s ago, saying: 'What if you wanted to use 2 of them?'. |
| 02:05.22 | hyperactivecrond | and, if I have 5 channels, do I need 5 DIDs? |
| 02:05.34 | [TK]D-Fender | hyperactivecrond, No, you don't. |
| 02:06.05 | [TK]D-Fender | hyperactivecrond, You can have 1 DID and support for 500 channels if you feel like. Or the complete reverse. |
| 02:06.33 | hyperactivecrond | [TK]D-Fender lemme guess. depends on provider/ |
| 02:06.39 | [TK]D-Fender | hyperactivecrond, "channels" let you place or receive calls. DID's let your free channels as what number was DIALED causing this inbound call attempt. |
| 02:06.46 | [TK]D-Fender | hyperactivecrond, Correct. |
| 02:08.41 | [TK]D-Fender | hyperactivecrond, For reference I ditched my Norstar 8x24 for * over 2 years ago. |
| 02:09.19 | [TK]D-Fender | hyperactivecrond, I am now using a PRI instead of analog lines, and have 23 channels direct to the telco and a little over 100 DIDs. |
| 02:09.36 | fujin | PRI > * |
| 02:09.44 | fujin | (that's all, not asterisk) |
| 02:10.11 | hyperactivecrond | hm PRIs are pricer, though, right/ |
| 02:10.21 | fujin | I use a combination of PRI/SIP, sip for outgoing, and a sip<>pri terminator (AS5400) to do the magic |
| 02:11.00 | [TK]D-Fender | hyperactivecrond, Naturally.... but things balance out based on your needs. |
| 02:11.26 | [TK]D-Fender | fujin, because clearly that PITA is SUCH a smarter choice than a Zaptel PRI card ;) |
| 02:11.49 | fujin | absoutely |
| 02:11.51 | fujin | fuck a zaptel card |
| 02:11.58 | hyperactivecrond | [TK]D-Fender but for about 5 lines,assuming I had a decent internet connection, wouldn't it make more sense to have just an internet-based connection? |
| 02:12.03 | [TK]D-Fender | fujin, Yeah... now you can have REAL problems ;) |
| 02:12.10 | fujin | no problems at all lol |
| 02:12.11 | fujin | no IRQ problems |
| 02:12.15 | [TK]D-Fender | hyperactivecrond, depends. |
| 02:12.16 | fujin | no timing issues |
| 02:12.21 | fujin | 2 hour response time |
| 02:12.26 | hyperactivecrond | 5 channels ***** |
| 02:12.28 | [TK]D-Fender | hyperactivecrond, You internet can go down. |
| 02:12.48 | [TK]D-Fender | hyperactivecrond, a million things can happen in between. How often do you hear of analog lines failing? |
| 02:13.00 | hyperactivecrond | not very often. |
| 02:13.08 | [TK]D-Fender | hyperactivecrond, But its CAN be an econimcal choice if you are willing to accept the risks |
| 02:13.23 | hyperactivecrond | i suspect pw@ge here |
| 02:13.30 | [TK]D-Fender | hyperactivecrond, its a matter of balancing your needs, expectations, and priorities. |
| 02:13.38 | hyperactivecrond | pwnage** |
| 02:13.45 | Juerd_ | ~book |
| 02:13.46 | jbot | Asterisk: The Future of Telephony 2nd Edition (ISBN 0-596-51048-9) --- Order yours at http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/9780596510480/ --- Free downloadable PDF http://downloads.oreilly.com/books/9780596510480.pdf --- HTML at http://tfot.leifmadsen.com |
| 02:14.15 | hyperactivecrond | [TK]D-Fender who do you have as your telco?? |
| 02:14.31 | [TK]D-Fender | hyperactivecrond, I'm with Allstream for my PRI. |
| 02:15.03 | hyperactivecrond | [TK]D-Fender would AT&T offer pri? |
| 02:15.29 | [TK]D-Fender | hyperactivecrond, yes, but beleive me at 5 channels and the expense of a PRI card... it'd be a waste.... |
| 02:15.38 | hyperactivecrond | i'm sure it would be |
| 02:15.45 | [TK]D-Fender | hyperactivecrond, in your situation I might very well just go with an ITSP. |
| 02:16.02 | hyperactivecrond | although AT&T's T-1 service isn't cheap either.. |
| 02:16.18 | [TK]D-Fender | hyperactivecrond, Now you had 3 lines before. You really need 5 now? |
| 02:16.37 | hyperactivecrond | We've had problems with only 3 lines |
| 02:16.50 | [TK]D-Fender | hyperactivecrond, Ok, well at least you've validated that... |
| 02:17.14 | hyperactivecrond | specifically too many people, not enough lines, pizza orders > vmail = trouble |
| 02:17.33 | [TK]D-Fender | hyperactivecrond, So a bunch of Polycom phones and your internet conenction.... all nice & easy. |
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| 02:19.13 | hyperactivecrond | [TK]D-Fender I'd probably want a T1 line rather than a crapshot dsl service, right? |
| 02:19.34 | [TK]D-Fender | hyperactivecrond, Yeah... UPSTREAM is the killer with DSL |
| 02:19.40 | hyperactivecrond | yes |
| 02:19.53 | [TK]D-Fender | hyperactivecrond, could be doable mind you |
| 02:20.02 | hyperactivecrond | there is symmetric dsl service available with ATT but that's @ 1.5mbps |
| 02:20.13 | [TK]D-Fender | hyperactivecrond, Using G.729 codec for calls, and IAX2 trunking would be plenty comfortable. |
| 02:20.33 | [TK]D-Fender | hyperactivecrond, thats SDSL, and is often marketed as "T1" |
| 02:20.45 | [TK]D-Fender | hyperactivecrond, and that would definitely be a solid choice. |
| 02:21.26 | hyperactivecrond | [TK]D-Fender wouldn't that be not as reliable as a t1 tho? |
| 02:21.51 | [TK]D-Fender | hyperactivecrond, at ULAW (codec) you'd need about 85kbps / channel = 425kbps for voice... actually... DSL would be fine. |
| 02:22.23 | [TK]D-Fender | hyperactivecrond, if you needed a fax you would just shove your DSL over your fax line, and that'd cover everything in 1 shot. |
| 02:22.47 | hyperactivecrond | although it's kinda ironic that I'd still be relying on the local telco for the dsl. |
| 02:22.54 | [TK]D-Fender | hyperactivecrond, then if you wanted internet for otehr stuff you could jstu get another DSL link. |
| 02:23.03 | [TK]D-Fender | hyperactivecrond, yeah, just a bit... |
| 02:23.24 | [TK]D-Fender | hyperactivecrond, these things take a lot of math to determine the overall cost effectiveness & flexibility. |
| 02:23.43 | [TK]D-Fender | hyperactivecrond, Which is IMO just about the most important thing. |
| 02:24.38 | [TK]D-Fender | Actually... if you aren't SENDING mcuh, you COULD just use that single line + DSL for everything. Especially is you switch to IAX2 & G.729 which would chop your BW needs in half almost. |
| 02:24.52 | hyperactivecrond | [TK]D-Fender is there a way to set up call hold so that when a call is plaed on hold on one phone, another phone could pick it up, without setting up parking? |
| 02:25.09 | [TK]D-Fender | hyperactivecrond, ummm.. thats kinda FUGLY.... |
| 02:25.16 | drmessano | Uhh |
| 02:25.20 | drmessano | Is parking that hard to do? |
| 02:25.23 | [TK]D-Fender | hyperactivecrond, * doesn't do "SLA" yet really |
| 02:25.48 | [TK]D-Fender | hyperactivecrond, Trust me.. let go of your idea of "key system" functionality... its not needed... |
| 02:25.52 | [TK]D-Fender | hyperactivecrond, time to move on |
| 02:26.23 | hyperactivecrond | well, what hapens now is that a call comes in on one of our 3 phone lines. |
| 02:26.37 | hyperactivecrond | It's picked up, an employee answers, and puts the call on hold |
| 02:26.42 | drmessano | There used to be a good business case for making things backwards compatible.. But now tech is moving too fast for that |
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| 02:26.45 | teknoprep | hey all |
| 02:26.51 | teknoprep | i have a problem with the spa-962 |
| 02:26.57 | teknoprep | it doesn't hangup right away when the call ends |
| 02:27.05 | teknoprep | it gives a busy tone then hangs up |
| 02:27.18 | teknoprep | any way to change this |
| 02:27.20 | [TK]D-Fender | teknoprep, thats just how it works. Gives you an obnoxious reorder tone... |
| 02:27.20 | hyperactivecrond | I suppose the reason the nortel pbx can do that is because we have to pick which line to call off of |
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| 02:27.51 | ardor2 | I removed all my extentions |
| 02:27.53 | ardor2 | add one back |
| 02:27.54 | teknoprep | [TK]D-Fender is there a way to fix this ? |
| 02:28.00 | ardor2 | and change the phone to a static ip address... |
| 02:28.08 | hyperactivecrond | so maybe that's why we can do the hold thing the way we do now. |
| 02:28.09 | ardor2 | I also reboot everything, including the router. |
| 02:28.18 | hyperactivecrond | alright. I can set up parking. |
| 02:28.18 | [TK]D-Fender | hyperactivecrond, the reason Nortel works that way is because you have a button for each "line". What happens when you get a PRI like me and have 23 lines? thats a boatload of buttons to expect... |
| 02:28.36 | [TK]D-Fender | teknoprep, FIX?! Nothing to fix... thats how they were DESIGNED to operate. |
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| 02:28.46 | drmessano | Friend of mine said something about "If the case is beige, it's a piece of crap" in regard to PC's... For PBX's it's whether or not you dial 9 for an outside line lol |
| 02:28.46 | teknoprep | [TK]D-Fender wow that really sucks |
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| 02:28.48 | [TK]D-Fender | teknoprep, a holdover of their ATA heritage |
| 02:29.02 | [TK]D-Fender | teknoprep, and if you asked us about them first we'd have told you prior :p |
| 02:29.14 | Blinkiz | I need to troubleshoot my asterisk. Does it exist some realtime log I can check when am doing the call= |
| 02:29.18 | [TK]D-Fender | drmessano, Agreed |
| 02:29.33 | [TK]D-Fender | Blinkiz, yeah, its called the * CLI. |
| 02:29.38 | [TK]D-Fender | Blinkiz, "asterisk -r" |
| 02:29.40 | Blinkiz | Okej, asterisk -r |
| 02:29.45 | ardor2 | -- Registered SIP '301' at 192.168.1.21 port 5060 expires 3600 and yet it still says UNREACHABLE |
| 02:29.48 | hyperactivecrond | Blinkiz: look at your server's screen when you run asterisk -vvvvvvvvvvr |
| 02:29.57 | teknoprep | drmessano why is it that ppl want you to dial to get an outside line... 9 ? |
| 02:30.07 | Blinkiz | Nothing is showed inside cli. Okay, need to increase the verbose mode? |
| 02:30.12 | teknoprep | drmessano i don't understand why you must dial a 9.. or that is the so called standard |
| 02:30.21 | Blinkiz | Nothing is not correct. More like not my call :) |
| 02:30.23 | [TK]D-Fender | Blinkiz, You haven't told us what you are expecting to SEE |
| 02:30.29 | drmessano | I dont know where the 9 came from, to be honest |
| 02:30.40 | drmessano | I bet [TK]D-Fender knows |
| 02:30.42 | teknoprep | lots of extensions |
| 02:30.49 | Blinkiz | Am doing a incoming call and it's not working. Don't know if its my firewall, my ISP or asterisk |
| 02:30.59 | [TK]D-Fender | None of MY systems use any kind of dial prefix... |
| 02:31.01 | teknoprep | some extensions might start with a 6... and if you are dialing 610 area code per say |
| 02:31.04 | Blinkiz | Thought I check if the signals comes to my asterisk box to start with |
| 02:31.05 | teknoprep | might skrew it up |
| 02:31.14 | [TK]D-Fender | Blinkiz, you need to enable "sip debug" <- do that from CLI |
| 02:31.15 | hyperactivecrond | Blinkiz: set verbosity 10 |
| 02:31.48 | hyperactivecrond | We don't have to dial '9' now |
| 02:31.52 | [TK]D-Fender | hyperactivecrond, nope... needs SIP DEBUG in this case to see if the packets are arriving. * won't say anything about refused calls for dialplan errors, etc with just Verbose |
| 02:31.55 | hyperactivecrond | hehe we have to pick the line |
| 02:32.01 | Blinkiz | sip set debug. Nice, thanks. Now, let see if I see the call... |
| 02:32.25 | Blinkiz | Jepp, I did |
| 02:32.39 | [TK]D-Fender | hyperactivecrond, in the world of *, a call is a call is a call. a call is just a channel from your phone to *. |
| 02:32.40 | Blinkiz | But I get a connection error tone in my phone. Hmm.. |
| 02:34.08 | fujin | well, two channels really |
| 02:34.12 | hyperactivecrond | We'll still keep 1 normal telco line for 911 services. So we'll need a call |
| 02:34.33 | hyperactivecrond | *grimace* so I'll need 10 channels for 5 conccurrent calls? |
| 02:34.36 | [TK]D-Fender | hyperactivecrond, Linksys SPA-3102 <---- |
| 02:35.02 | [TK]D-Fender | hyperactivecrond, No, strike that "10 channels" comment. i gave you the math for this already |
| 02:35.07 | hyperactivecrond | ok |
| 02:35.19 | hyperactivecrond | so 5 channels = 5 concurrent calls. |
| 02:35.30 | hyperactivecrond | incoming and or outgoing |
| 02:35.44 | [TK]D-Fender | hyperactivecrond, http://www.telephonydepot.com/product_p/105-054-312.htm |
| 02:35.50 | [TK]D-Fender | hyperactivecrond, Correct |
| 02:36.14 | [TK]D-Fender | hyperactivecrond, that litle box will solve your POTS 911 concerns |
| 02:36.31 | UnixDog | ok hyperactivecrond its like this phone to pbx = 1 channel ------pbx to realworld = 1 channel |
| 02:36.34 | hyperactivecrond | Asterisk does line-in moh |
| 02:36.34 | [TK]D-Fender | hyperactivecrond, and let you use an analog phone with * as well |
| 02:36.42 | UnixDog | yes |
| 02:36.46 | [TK]D-Fender | UnixDog, Please don't confuse him..... |
| 02:36.55 | hyperactivecrond | No I get it |
| 02:36.58 | ardor2 | D-FENDER i fixed it |
| 02:37.12 | hyperactivecrond | I'm not talking server end |
| 02:37.15 | [TK]D-Fender | hyperactivecrond, good. Yes you can also do line-in MoH. a little trickier but quite doable |
| 02:37.17 | hyperactivecrond | I'm talking provider end |
| 02:37.21 | [TK]D-Fender | ardor2, good to hear. |
| 02:37.45 | hyperactivecrond | The server has to process 10 channels at once for 5 concurrent calls |
| 02:38.01 | ardor2 | TKD-Fender nevermind I;m a idoit, I said the host for the phone IP address was 192.168.1.11 which is for the server |
| 02:38.09 | ardor2 | which the server feels is reachable. |
| 02:38.21 | hyperactivecrond | 5 for the phone -> * connection and 5 for the * -> voip provider |
| 02:38.22 | ardor2 | where as 192.168.1.21 is unreachable |
| 02:38.55 | hyperactivecrond | and I saw the wiki page on setting up line in moh |
| 02:39.18 | [TK]D-Fender | hyperactivecrond, for your phones, here : http://www.telephonydepot.com/product_p/105-058-330.htm |
| 02:39.18 | ardor2 | *sighes* |
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| 02:41.22 | [TK]D-Fender | hyperactivecrond, So your project would cost ($112 x 3) + $70 = $406 to replace your Norstar and your overall PSTN costs drop somewhat |
| 02:41.47 | ardor2 | D-Fender will you take a look at my sip debug logs? |
| 02:41.48 | ardor2 | http://pastebin.com/d1092d1bd |
| 02:41.49 | hyperactivecrond | [TK]D-Fender; I'd still need the asterisk server |
| 02:42.20 | drmessano | Walmart $300 PC |
| 02:42.50 | [TK]D-Fender | hyperactivecrond, I'll assume for a second that you have one kicking around, or can spend the $100 on one :) |
| 02:42.53 | hyperactivecrond | drmessano if I need MOH, wouldn't that not be enough horsepower |
| 02:43.14 | hyperactivecrond | and I know Linux, too. |
| 02:43.29 | *** join/#asterisk CrashSys (n=kumba@62-209.187-72.tampabay.res.rr.com) |
| 02:43.30 | ardor2 | I dont understand why allot of the headers say to: sip:224@192.168.1.11 I dont have 224 setup. i dont tihnk |
| 02:43.45 | drmessano | lol |
| 02:43.50 | drmessano | That would be MORE than enough |
| 02:44.06 | hyperactivecrond | drmessano: no x11 obviously |
| 02:44.30 | hyperactivecrond | heh screen > x11 |
| 02:44.34 | [TK]D-Fender | ardor2, You've clearly messed seomthing up... |
| 02:44.46 | drmessano | Why do people have this incredibly high sense of linux and/or hardware requirements? |
| 02:44.52 | drmessano | Why do people have this incredibly high sense of linux and/or asterisk hardware requirements? |
| 02:45.17 | dacs | ardor2: sip show peers |
| 02:45.20 | dacs | :) |
| 02:45.37 | ardor2 | D-Fender any idea what? |
| 02:45.54 | hyperactivecrond | maybe solaris would be a better option. I've heard slowaris is better at this kind of stuff |
| 02:45.56 | drmessano | I've run Trashbox on a 800MHZ pc with MOH just fine.. burped at 10 concurrent calls.. and thats LOTS of extra overhead |
| 02:46.03 | ardor2 | dacs: sip show peers says that it hates me and i should learn how to configure some phones correctly |
| 02:46.12 | hyperactivecrond | although as a rule I hate sun |
| 02:46.39 | [TK]D-Fender | ardor2, Found peer '301' SIP/2.0 401 Unauthorized <- bad user/pass |
| 02:47.01 | ardor2 | Thanks |
| 02:47.21 | dacs | ardor2: that makes 2 of a kind |
| 02:47.42 | hyperactivecrond | give or take cat5e able and a switch, possibly a poe injector, this seems like a good idea |
| 02:47.46 | hyperactivecrond | cable* |
| 02:48.22 | ardor2 | in my sip.conf the [301] that is my auth.userId correct? |
| 02:48.31 | [TK]D-Fender | ardor2, and pass, etc. |
| 02:48.47 | [TK]D-Fender | ardor2, pastebin something complete for me to look at and I might have more to say.... |
| 02:49.23 | [TK]D-Fender | ardor2, Oh, and dialplan errors : Looking for 224 in from-internal (domain 192.168.1.11) SIP/2.0 484 Address Incomplete |
| 02:49.32 | [TK]D-Fender | ardor2, On a susbcribe (presence) |
| 02:52.12 | ardor2 | http://pastebin.com/m56ccadfc |
| 02:55.22 | [TK]D-Fender | ardor2, "complete" includes CLI output with SIP debug of a PROBLEM to examine those configs agains. |
| 02:55.25 | [TK]D-Fender | against* |
| 02:56.17 | ardor2 | oh I thought the first sip debug had the problem |
| 02:56.32 | ardor2 | you want me to reboot the phone to get you fresh sip debug? |
| 02:57.00 | dacs | ardor2: you can just exit CLI |
| 02:57.12 | dacs | and re-enter |
| 02:57.21 | dacs | asterisk -r |
| 02:57.39 | ardor2 | ok i did... |
| 02:58.15 | dacs | ardor2: then sip set debug |
| 02:59.51 | dacs | ardor2: btw my experince with * is only 2 weeks , so you probably you know better tha me :) |
| 03:00.29 | [TK]D-Fender | dacs, like... that reentering the CLI would do in the first place :) |
| 03:00.50 | [TK]D-Fender | dacs, thats like walking out of a room, walking right back in and expecting anything to be different :) |
| 03:01.03 | dacs | lol |
| 03:01.16 | dacs | he wanted a clear screen |
| 03:01.28 | ardor2 | I change my putty settings to keep 2,000 lines of scroll back |
| 03:01.31 | [TK]D-Fender | hit [enter] a bunch of time........ |
| 03:01.52 | dacs | [TK]D-Fender: i think i did an outstanding job here |
| 03:01.55 | dacs | lol |
| 03:02.24 | [TK]D-Fender | "To bake an apple pie from scratch, one must first create the Universe" |
| 03:02.30 | *** join/#asterisk russellb (n=russell@asterisk/developer-and-stable-maintainer/drumkilla) |
| 03:02.30 | *** mode/#asterisk [+o russellb] by ChanServ |
| 03:03.08 | dacs | [TK]D-Fender: and in my case Universe is ~book |
| 03:03.20 | dacs | i know i know |
| 03:03.40 | ardor2 | http://pastebin.com/d1c8789 |
| 03:04.24 | [TK]D-Fender | ardor2, # |
| 03:04.24 | [TK]D-Fender | # |
| 03:04.24 | [TK]D-Fender | Retransmitting #3 (no NAT) to 192.168.1.21:5060: |
| 03:04.48 | [TK]D-Fender | ardor2, looks like your phone is a NAT away from *.... 2 actually... |
| 03:05.08 | [TK]D-Fender | ardor2, phone --> NAT --> internet -> NAT --> Asterisk |
| 03:05.09 | ardor2 | Thats not possable. |
| 03:05.31 | [TK]D-Fender | ardor2, Via: SIP/2.0/UDP 74.7.211.21:5060;branch=z9hG4bK735651ba;rport <--- O RLY? |
| 03:05.32 | ardor2 | Yeah for my voip provider? |
| 03:06.03 | ardor2 | cbeyond? |
| 03:06.26 | ardor2 | asterisk Nat -> Internet -> nat -> cbeyond? |
| 03:06.39 | [TK]D-Fender | ardor2, This is * trying to send Qualify packets into deep space |
| 03:07.11 | ardor2 | its trying to send 192.168.1.* Patches to the internet? |
| 03:07.20 | ardor2 | patches = packets |
| 03:07.20 | [TK]D-Fender | ardor2, OPTIONS sip:301@192.168.1.21 SIP/2.0 <-- this is your [301] phone bombing out for wrong NAT info. |
| 03:07.38 | [TK]D-Fender | ardor2, Your networking is all bungled up. |
| 03:07.49 | ardor2 | I dont even control the router. |
| 03:07.51 | ardor2 | cbeyond does. |
| 03:07.58 | ardor2 | those dumbasses. |
| 03:08.33 | [TK]D-Fender | ardor2, You chose them... you are complicit :) |
| 03:08.57 | ardor2 | I didnt, and i would have picked snom phones also, I and I wouldnt use VMware. |
| 03:09.20 | [TK]D-Fender | ardor2, SNOM = bleh.... Polycom appears to be you only good choice so far :) |
| 03:09.23 | fujin | how often does an unreachable peer get checked again |
| 03:09.32 | [TK]D-Fender | fujin, it doesn't |
| 03:09.47 | [TK]D-Fender | fujin, Only after it registers again, or some other contact is made |
| 03:10.04 | fujin | uh |
| 03:10.05 | fujin | that's not ideal |
| 03:10.07 | ardor2 | TKD-Fender, ok, So my understanding is that asterisk is trying to talk to my phone by sending the packets to the internet. |
| 03:10.15 | ardor2 | Thas the routers problem, not the computers correct? |
| 03:10.46 | ardor2 | computer = server |
| 03:11.27 | ardor2 | my subnet is 255.255.255.0 |
| 03:11.37 | ardor2 | but my whole network is on 192.168.1.* |
| 03:12.12 | ardor2 | I asked them what my subnet mask should be, they said 255.255.255.0 but I am unsure |
| 03:12.40 | ardor2 | see, there server I connect to (via sip) for voip to pstn is located at 192.168.22.X |
| 03:12.50 | ardor2 | they are also my T1 provider. |
| 03:13.10 | [TK]D-Fender | ardor2, Your phone is coming IN from the outside internet from behind an identical subnet, and is NOT local. |
| 03:13.12 | ardor2 | and they gave me a Ga, USA ip address even know I am in Ca, Usa. |
| 03:13.38 | [TK]D-Fender | ardor2, http://pastebin.com/d1c8789 look at 85-97 |
| 03:13.48 | dacs | how can i reload my extention.conf |
| 03:13.50 | ardor2 | I have them both plugged into the same switch |
| 03:13.55 | [TK]D-Fender | dacs, "reload" |
| 03:14.03 | ardor2 | so it has to be the router doing it |
| 03:14.04 | dacs | or i don't need to reload after update |
| 03:14.18 | ardor2 | oh! |
| 03:14.21 | [TK]D-Fender | ardor2, maybe more routing BS... you seem cursed... |
| 03:14.24 | ardor2 | I'll just replace the router. |
| 03:14.34 | ardor2 | brb' |
| 03:16.25 | dacs | [TK]D-Fender: i am getting a dial tone , is there is a test number i can call |
| 03:16.35 | dacs | like to test echo cancel |
| 03:16.46 | dacs | or voive mail |
| 03:16.53 | [TK]D-Fender | dacs, Dialtone on what? Test number from where? |
| 03:16.54 | dacs | /s/voive/voice/ |
| 03:17.33 | dacs | [TK]D-Fender: dial tone from my * which i think? |
| 03:17.58 | [TK]D-Fender | dacs, get a clue what you're using and let me know.... |
| 03:18.01 | *** join/#asterisk salzh (n=salzh@124.77.5.10) |
| 03:18.33 | dacs | [TK]D-Fender: huh, i haven't set up my SIP yet and i have a dail tone |
| 03:18.49 | salzh | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:19.41 | [TK]D-Fender | dacs, dialtone on WHAT? Is this dialtone being sent to you telephathically? Otherwise I hope you'll tell me what HARDWARE is generating this "dialtone" |
| 03:20.12 | [TK]D-Fender | salzh, depends. Describe whats on both ends of this call taht doesn't work, and what youv'e done to believe that your phone is fine. |
| 03:20.28 | dacs | [TK]D-Fender: where can you hear dial tone? |
| 03:20.34 | *** join/#asterisk tessier (n=treed@kernel-panic/sex-machines) |
| 03:20.38 | tessier | Hello all! |
| 03:20.40 | dacs | other than the headset |
| 03:20.58 | tessier | Anyone know why the first couple seconds of my recording always gets cut off when I use Background() to play the ivr menu? |
| 03:21.06 | [TK]D-Fender | dacs, what PHONE are you using! |
| 03:21.32 | tessier | I've run into this problem before and it seems like I solved it by just putting a seccond or two of dead air at the front of the recording but that seems lame. |
| 03:21.33 | [TK]D-Fender | dacs, YES |
| 03:21.44 | [TK]D-Fender | dacs, I don't ask useless questions. |
| 03:21.46 | dacs | [TK]D-Fender: uniden |
| 03:22.01 | [TK]D-Fender | dacs, PRECISE please. what KIND of phone, connected to * HOW.... |
| 03:22.40 | [TK]D-Fender | tessier, shove a Wait(2) in front of it |
| 03:22.56 | tessier | [TK]D-Fender: I did...that didn't seem to help much. Let me try that again... |
| 03:23.13 | [TK]D-Fender | tessier, Make sure you Answer, Wait, THEN, background. |
| 03:23.23 | tessier | yep |
| 03:24.16 | tessier | hmm...ok, a little dead air plus the wait seems to have done it. Thanks! |
| 03:24.30 | dacs | [TK]D-Fender: oh, it is a cordless Uniden Model EXA1398, the base is conected to my Cisco ATA186, from ATA thru cat5 going to my wireles router. which i use wireless inter to connect my * server and my windows box |
| 03:25.00 | drmessano | That was Easy! |
| 03:25.16 | *** join/#asterisk marcan (i=1337@host215-248.cvf.fit.edu) |
| 03:26.39 | [TK]D-Fender | dacs, THERE... |
| 03:26.56 | dacs | [TK]D-Fender: there what |
| 03:27.15 | [TK]D-Fender | dacs, the crucial bits were "analog phone on Cisco ATA186 on a local LAN to *" |
| 03:27.30 | [TK]D-Fender | dacs, this is the kind of answer you should be giving next time. |
| 03:27.50 | [TK]D-Fender | dacs, SO, dialton is generated by your ATA due to the fact that it has successfully registered |
| 03:28.13 | [TK]D-Fender | dacs, as for a "test number"... its your dialplan, go add an exten to dial. |
| 03:28.14 | dacs | [TK]D-Fender: OK |
| 03:28.25 | [TK]D-Fender | tessier, You're welcome |
| 03:30.13 | dacs | [TK]D-Fender: http://pastebin.ca/844733 |
| 03:31.16 | [TK]D-Fender | dacs, And still doing no better that COPY&PASTE I see... you were setting it up for SIP and have just pasted in >MGCP< related junk. |
| 03:31.17 | dacs | [TK]D-Fender: is there is a way i can listen to ivr |
| 03:31.29 | [TK]D-Fender | dacs, What IVR? You didn't MAKE one. |
| 03:31.56 | dacs | Idiot Voice Recording |
| 03:32.00 | dacs | hahah |
| 03:33.05 | drmessano | This has to be a joke |
| 03:33.41 | *** join/#asterisk ardor2 (n=ardorlan@74.7.211.21) |
| 03:33.50 | [TK]D-Fender | drmessano, No, he's spent DAYS, and can't so much as place a single call to * |
| 03:34.11 | drmessano | I've been sorta following |
| 03:34.16 | [TK]D-Fender | dacs, sit down and read THE BOOK. This would be Chapter 5 <--- |
| 03:34.18 | drmessano | I hate to be a jerk, but come on |
| 03:34.27 | ardor2 | D-Fender OMG there was like 2 routers and a acess point plugged into that switch, plus it was going out to all the wall jacks |
| 03:34.43 | ardor2 | I unplug everything, about this pc, a sip phone and the server, and the t1 router. |
| 03:34.52 | [TK]D-Fender | ardor2, shoot the partridge and exfoliate that pear tree while you're at it |
| 03:35.13 | drmessano | dacs, have you tried Trixbox? |
| 03:35.17 | drmessano | It's perfect for you |
| 03:35.18 | drmessano | Really |
| 03:35.20 | dacs | [TK]D-Fender: well just so you know , i have to work and i have a family to take care off |
| 03:35.21 | drmessano | www.trixbox.org |
| 03:35.45 | *** join/#asterisk fujin (n=aj@unaffiliated/fujin) |
| 03:36.00 | [TK]D-Fender | dacs, Well now is the time for solid reading. |
| 03:36.10 | ardor2 | D-fender I am having a baby girl end of feb, my first. |
| 03:36.19 | drmessano | AsteriskNOW is quite interesting too |
| 03:36.24 | drmessano | Perhaps a look is in order, my good man |
| 03:36.30 | [TK]D-Fender | ardor2, sorry, this isn't #babysitting |
| 03:36.44 | dacs | ardor2: congrats man , |
| 03:36.44 | drmessano | Spit up and Asterisk dont mix |
| 03:36.45 | [TK]D-Fender | ardor2, I only consult in * :) |
| 03:36.59 | ardor2 | D-Fender you do a great job |
| 03:37.03 | dacs | [TK]D-Fender: fuckn' mean |
| 03:37.28 | [TK]D-Fender | dacs, No, believe me, you'd know if I were "fuckin' mean". This is far from it :) |
| 03:37.56 | dacs | [TK]D-Fender: huh , you want to tell me, i experinced it |
| 03:37.59 | dacs | any ways |
| 03:38.16 | *** join/#asterisk fujin (n=aj@unaffiliated/fujin) |
| 03:38.18 | [TK]D-Fender | dacs, So you need to actually get a clue about the dialplan, and unless you are looking to hire someone to teach you every single thing (which is what you've needed to even get that far with your ATA), you're going to actually have to start reading |
| 03:38.19 | drmessano | It shouldnt take 5 mins to make a call with Asterisk |
| 03:39.21 | [TK]D-Fender | dacs, Yes I remember well your swearing at the first sign of "huh, what are you talking about" you gave when you first came in here. |
| 03:39.35 | dacs | [TK]D-Fender: i will i will |
| 03:39.36 | [TK]D-Fender | dacs, So feel free to enlighten me about "mean". |
| 03:39.55 | dacs | [TK]D-Fender: how about you have a great night |
| 03:40.01 | dacs | :) |
| 03:40.03 | [TK]D-Fender | dacs, That I can live with :) |
| 03:40.18 | ardor2 | "Transmitting (no NAT) to 192.168.1.21:5060:" that means its still going over the internet? |
| 03:40.29 | *** join/#asterisk marcan (i=1337@host215-248.cvf.fit.edu) |
| 03:40.34 | dacs | ncie, will talk to you later then |
| 03:40.39 | [TK]D-Fender | ardor2, not necessarily. you need to see the FULL exchange |
| 03:40.47 | dacs | also you all guys have a wonderful night |
| 03:40.54 | *** join/#asterisk fujin (n=aj@unaffiliated/fujin) |
| 03:41.18 | *** join/#asterisk saftsack (n=oliver@p4FC7611A.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 03:41.31 | dacs | ardor2: oh btw, sleep all what you can b4 you have your girl. Because you will dream to have a nap and it wont happen |
| 03:41.47 | [TK]D-Fender | ardor2, you saw how I pasted that the VIA gave away that it traversed an EXTERNAL interface regardless of what the SIP enpoint THOUGHT it should be reporting |
| 03:42.21 | [TK]D-Fender | dacs, How can he dream to have a nap without actually already being asleep and dreaming? |
| 03:42.39 | [TK]D-Fender | dacs, You are uniquely "temporally challenged" :) |
| 03:42.40 | *** join/#asterisk vetetix (n=vetetix@eclip3.ec-lille.fr) |
| 03:42.44 | dacs | /a/dream/wish/ |
| 03:42.56 | dacs | /s/dream/wish/ |
| 03:43.03 | dacs | s/dream/wish/ |
| 03:43.10 | [TK]D-Fender | lol |
| 03:43.13 | [TK]D-Fender | REDUNDANT |
| 03:43.19 | dacs | jesus tap dancing christ |
| 03:43.27 | dacs | errrr |
| 03:43.35 | *** join/#asterisk kFuQ (n=somedude@c-67-185-112-20.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 03:43.52 | dacs | [TK]D-Fender: i wanted to change it to say wish |
| 03:43.54 | dacs | lol |
| 03:45.28 | jblack | It would be nice if there were something like Readfile, that could handle many variables. |
| 03:45.42 | fujin | no it wouldn' |
| 03:45.43 | fujin | t |
| 03:45.46 | fujin | it'd be a nasty hack |
| 03:45.58 | fujin | and widely accepted as "doing it wrong" |
| 03:46.34 | jblack | hmm. I don't like doing things wrong. Perhaps if I described what I'm doing, you could suggest right. |
| 03:46.50 | fujin | there's a high possibility |
| 03:47.47 | jblack | Heh. I guess that just knocked the odds down. :) |
| 03:50.23 | *** join/#asterisk Condector (i=junior@201-11-136-155.cpece705.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) |
| 03:50.30 | Condector | I need some help with error |
| 03:50.36 | Condector | can I paste here? |
| 03:50.37 | jblack | Ok |
| 03:50.40 | jblack | Please don't. |
| 03:50.42 | jblack | ~pb |
| 03:50.43 | jbot | [~pb] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste |
| 03:50.44 | Condector | okz |
| 03:50.56 | drmessano | LOL |
| 03:50.56 | Condector | I have problem with vono and asterisk |
| 03:50.58 | jblack | Please use one of those to paste to, then paste the url here. |
| 03:50.59 | drmessano | No hi? |
| 03:51.02 | drmessano | Hows the kids? |
| 03:51.04 | drmessano | Nothing? |
| 03:51.08 | drmessano | Just Blah |
| 03:51.10 | drmessano | :( |
| 03:51.14 | Condector | okz |
| 03:51.31 | jblack | drmessano: After fujin basically said I was screwing up and /quit without an explanation... I'm used to it. |
| 03:51.38 | drmessano | lol |
| 03:51.39 | jblack | Today is official "abuse jblack" day. |
| 03:51.40 | drmessano | hang on |
| 03:51.45 | *** part/#asterisk drmessano (n=nonya@c-76-125-26-150.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) |
| 03:51.49 | *** join/#asterisk drmessano (n=nonya@c-76-125-26-150.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) |
| 03:51.53 | drmessano | Im knew here |
| 03:51.57 | drmessano | HELP ME KNOW |
| 03:52.05 | [TK]D-Fender | drmessano, we don't know you at all :p |
| 03:52.06 | UnixDog | no |
| 03:52.15 | drmessano | I R PASTE 1000 LINES, KTHX |
| 03:52.16 | jblack | He's a doctor, right? |
| 03:52.37 | [TK]D-Fender | drmessano, you're just itching for a boot to the ass aren't you? :) |
| 03:53.01 | drmessano | NO PASTE 1000 LINES? K, I R PASTE 100 DEN |
| 03:53.02 | [TK]D-Fender | jblack, and Dr-Linux was a long-time user here and never had a clue :) |
| 03:53.38 | [TK]D-Fender | drmessano, http://kscakes.com/LolCats/Detail.aspx/stfu-noob-3/ |
| 03:53.41 | drmessano | "Do you have any allow lines in sip.conf?" "Yes, hang on, I paste" |
| 03:53.42 | jblack | Heh. There's a title problem here. I've got a story about mrdigital to tell, sometime... |
| 03:54.07 | drmessano | nice |
| 03:54.09 | [TK]D-Fender | drmessano, followed by : |
| 03:54.11 | [TK]D-Fender | drmessano, http://icanhascheezburger.com/2007/01/16/go-cry-emo-kid/ |
| 03:54.15 | jblack | Oh, come on. cut condector a break. He asked if he could, and presumably is working on pastebinning as we speak |
| 03:54.24 | drmessano | Oh thats a good one |
| 03:54.24 | Condector | yes |
| 03:54.35 | Condector | i past, a minute pelase |
| 03:54.36 | Condector | please |
| 03:54.38 | [TK]D-Fender | jblack, Yes, mrdigital has asked PLENTY of "doesn't belong here" questions.... |
| 03:55.00 | Condector | http://pastebin.com/m5b8ed1c3 |
| 03:55.02 | Condector | here |
| 03:55.03 | drmessano | lol |
| 03:55.18 | Condector | in this link I put my conf related to Vono service |
| 03:55.20 | jblack | This one is good though. I want to write it up sometime, just so I can post an url |
| 03:55.22 | [TK]D-Fender | jblack, Concerning how to make a distro, package *, licensing * and never having lifed a finger to learn any of this outside of here. |
| 03:55.24 | *** join/#asterisk fujin (n=aj@unaffiliated/fujin) |
| 03:55.25 | Condector | the sip.conf and extensions.conf |
| 03:56.14 | russellb | [TK]D-Fender: please to be teaching me how to be the next vonage, kthx |
| 03:56.17 | drmessano | "I know this isnt exactly asterisk related, but do you know why a fuel injector on an 85 Grand Am would be loose?" |
| 03:56.20 | jblack | Offhand, I'd say your problem is either a bad hostname, or as it always seems to be, a firewall. |
| 03:56.30 | [TK]D-Fender | russellb, You can hit Chapter 11 without our help I'm sure ;) |
| 03:56.41 | jblack | Dear God: Though i don't believe in you, PLEASE make ipv6 a reality. |
| 03:57.21 | russellb | i can't make phone calls, what's wrong? |
| 03:57.31 | [TK]D-Fender | drmessano, Actually radically off-topic stuff like that is actually FINE if you're already discussing cars. things like "How to make, use, install a GUI, how to make a Distro", etc are BAD here. |
| 03:57.42 | drmessano | IPv6 with DHCP... oh the goodness of adding a backported kludge to a better protocol |
| 03:57.42 | jblack | russellb: Your dog peed on the phone? |
| 03:57.54 | [TK]D-Fender | Condector, Describe the networking path between your * box and your ITSP. |
| 03:58.12 | [TK]D-Fender | russellb, an open ended question like that is too big a target for me :) |
| 03:58.29 | jblack | According to his paste, he's getting timeouts on sip register. |
| 03:58.41 | russellb | [TK]D-Fender: darn, i'll try to do better |
| 03:58.46 | drmessano | "IPv6 has auto configuration without DHCP!" "Oh really, so where do I get a DHCPd for IPv6?" "Wait, what?" |
| 03:59.04 | Condector | [TK]D-Fender, My pc with asterisk is in internal network over a ADSL router |
| 03:59.24 | [TK]D-Fender | jblack, I know.... first tip : Always wait for the incriminating evidence... THEN hang them :) |
| 03:59.25 | Condector | it has a internal IP, like 10.0.0.15 |
| 03:59.26 | jblack | Ahhh. So you're behind nat? |
| 03:59.30 | Condector | yes |
| 03:59.33 | drmessano | I wanted to use IPv6 on my PAP2s, but the numebers wouldnt fit in the boxes |
| 03:59.37 | [TK]D-Fender | Condector, go read this NOW : |
| 03:59.39 | [TK]D-Fender | ~sipnat |
| 03:59.40 | jbot | [~sipnat] Quick guide on configuring * + SIP behind NAT : http://www.aocomputing.net/?p=3 otherwise check the WIKI at http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+SIP+NAT+solutions |
| 03:59.42 | [TK]D-Fender | ^^^^^^^^^ |
| 03:59.49 | Condector | but, I put the PC in DMZ |
| 03:59.55 | [TK]D-Fender | Condector, Not enough. |
| 04:00.01 | [TK]D-Fender | Condector, Read the guide |
| 04:00.10 | Condector | okz, thank's a lot!! |
| 04:00.16 | jblack | [tk] Does that fend off insanity, going for the trapdoor spider approach? |
| 04:00.28 | jblack | That's it. I need to fix autocomplete now. |
| 04:01.07 | jblack | jblack: test |
| 04:01.16 | [TK]D-Fender | jblack, No, it validates the assault I respond with :) |
| 04:01.57 | [TK]D-Fender | jblack, its like setting the hook on a fish that just bit your line.... |
| 04:02.11 | [TK]D-Fender | jblack, You want to make sure the barb sticks. |
| 04:02.13 | jblack | Assault? You? The _worst_ I've ever seen from you it a mild chuckle as you watch someone choke on their own ignorance, as punishment for being as observant as a rock on a cold, overcast day. |
| 04:03.03 | [TK]D-Fender | jblack, Well, the responses are scaled. First you prove they are doing it wrong, and the dumber you get... well... I'm sure you can imaging the escalation. But the key is being in the "right". Do that first and then go with the flow. |
| 04:03.04 | drmessano | "How do I know I have a SIP?" |
| 04:03.06 | Condector | in this case, can I use externhost directive? |
| 04:03.15 | drmessano | "Can I IAX you a question?" |
| 04:03.24 | *** join/#asterisk ardor (n=ardorlan@h-67-102-217-142.lsanca54.covad.net) |
| 04:03.25 | [TK]D-Fender | Condector, You need a FEW things... read the full guide please... |
| 04:03.34 | ardor | D-fender: http://pastebin.com/m689e7298 |
| 04:03.45 | ardor | D-Fender, I moved to all onto a new router. |
| 04:03.48 | [TK]D-Fender | drmessano, nice try... if only it weren't pronounced "EEKS" ;) |
| 04:04.01 | jblack | In my day, I've met some pros... "I can't figure out why this code works, as it compiles on another machine"... "Thats because your mother had you after sex with someone down's syndrome. In case you don't catch my point, go kill yourself today" |
| 04:04.25 | [TK]D-Fender | ardor : Reliably Transmitting (no NAT) to 192.168.1.21:5060: Via: SIP/2.0/UDP 74.7.211.21:5060;branch=z9hG4bK199cd139;rport |
| 04:04.29 | [TK]D-Fender | ardor : BAD |
| 04:04.32 | drmessano | Well, yes, "Can I EEKS you a question" sounds perfectly intelligent in the south |
| 04:05.02 | [TK]D-Fender | drmessano, Yes, lowering the bar another notch I see :) |
| 04:05.17 | ardor | D-Fender: I am so confused, so its still trying to send it out to the internet? |
| 04:05.20 | russellb | don't beat on the south too much |
| 04:05.24 | drmessano | I can't help the language the natives speak :) |
| 04:05.25 | [TK]D-Fender | drmessano, "Southerner : If a man & a woman get divorced..... are they still brother & sister?" |
| 04:05.25 | russellb | asterisk comes from the deep south :) |
| 04:05.27 | ardor | it has to be a setting on my server, I changed everything else. |
| 04:05.41 | drmessano | Yes |
| 04:05.53 | jblack | Asterisk: The deep fried pbx |
| 04:05.57 | drmessano | Which is shocking it's not spelled Axerist |
| 04:06.11 | *** join/#asterisk Seramar (n=seramar@c-68-33-215-179.hsd1.va.comcast.net) |
| 04:06.14 | [TK]D-Fender | ardor : the "VIA" tells you its hitting the wrong interface. |
| 04:06.18 | *** join/#asterisk jsb- (n=jsb@neptune.uqtr.ca) |
| 04:06.39 | ardor | How do i fix it? |
| 04:06.40 | drmessano | Much like Acrons and PEEKANS |
| 04:06.45 | [TK]D-Fender | drmessano, AXERIST : Time to bury the hatchet ;) |
| 04:07.09 | [TK]D-Fender | ardor : check your networking again.... and try an actual CALL. |
| 04:07.39 | ardor | I unplug the router I have no control over, and so I have no one to call. |
| 04:07.47 | ardor | just like a IVR menu? |
| 04:07.47 | [TK]D-Fender | ardor : it gets tiring commenting on silly qualify packets |
| 04:07.57 | [TK]D-Fender | ardor : just call an exten on * |
| 04:08.01 | ardor | k |
| 04:08.40 | ardor | is there away to clear asterisk networking cache or something like that? |
| 04:09.02 | russellb | restart now |
| 04:09.12 | russellb | that pretty much resets everything :) |
| 04:10.16 | *** part/#asterisk jsb- (n=jsb@neptune.uqtr.ca) |
| 04:11.02 | *** join/#asterisk Maliuta (n=nikolai@203.201.152.211) |
| 04:11.27 | jblack | lol. http://dontclickthis.whatingods.name/yet-another-wet-disgruntled-fuck-all-im-going-emo--cat.jpg |
| 04:11.44 | [TK]D-Fender | :) |
| 04:12.30 | drmessano | Funny |
| 04:12.37 | jblack | I think I should throw that on my kid's background. |
| 04:12.38 | [TK]D-Fender | jblack, disgruntled? I'd say "defeated" or "resigned to my fate" more like... |
| 04:12.47 | drmessano | We washed one of my cats today.. shes VERRYYY sensitive.. so shes been overemo all day |
| 04:13.09 | [TK]D-Fender | jblack, by the look of despair in that poor cats eyes.... ooohhh the betrayal :) |
| 04:13.31 | jblack | Yeah. That was mrdigital today. |
| 04:13.46 | [TK]D-Fender | jblack, pastebin a log for me if you can :) |
| 04:13.56 | drmessano | Cats do not like to be put in their place.. |
| 04:14.00 | drmessano | They are used to being gods |
| 04:14.05 | drmessano | So when you belittle one, its bad |
| 04:14.35 | jblack | Sorry, I don't have one.. but the story goes something like this. |
| 04:15.23 | ardor | http://pastebin.com/m512daf0a |
| 04:15.23 | jblack | Apparently, he's friends with someone, at some school, that needs a new pbx system. Large private school campus with over a dozen buildings, clustered in 5 or 6. Obviously, he's not up to the job. |
| 04:15.34 | ardor | there is a "call" for you thanks so much fender |
| 04:15.56 | jblack | So he came to me.. "I think I can get this job, but I need help. Join me and we'll go 50/50!" |
| 04:16.04 | drmessano | lol |
| 04:17.11 | jblack | So, I probe into it a little bit, ask some questions.. like "do you have a rich uncle to pay for the business license that we'll need to work with the school?" that sort of stuff. But he has no money, no rich uncle with money. Doesn't even have a car or a job. |
| 04:17.41 | jblack | After two hours of wasted time, the only redeeming value in him that I could find was that he still has one good eye. ;) |
| 04:17.51 | [TK]D-Fender | jblack, or any CLUE on how to do any of this himself. Welcome to the difinition of "blind ambition" |
| 04:17.57 | drmessano | jblack: you judgemental jerk.. its open source.. you dont have to spend MONEY.. its ALL profit!!!!! |
| 04:18.06 | drmessano | lol |
| 04:18.14 | jblack | Yeah. He can't even manage to successfully install and manage linux. I know, because he's been msging me at all hours for two weeks. |
| 04:18.41 | [TK]D-Fender | jblack, and I know due to his crazy distro questions... |
| 04:18.48 | drmessano | Heres how you approach it.. |
| 04:19.00 | jblack | He even went into this long story about some sort of conspiracy about how there are red tabbed job applications, green tabbed job applications, and his _always_ end up red. |
| 04:19.19 | drmessano | "School, listen.. you buy all the hardware out of pocket, I will install and config it for umm.. $100... No wait, thats too low.. $150" |
| 04:19.44 | ardor | TKD-Fender they are having me run asterisk inside of a Vmware machine |
| 04:19.45 | CrashSys | Trunk Slammin' Asterisk Installers? That's a new cert, TSAI |
| 04:19.48 | ardor | think that is the problem? |
| 04:19.53 | jblack | Well, at this point, I'm realizing that things aren't going to go anywhere with this particular high school dropout. Shame, cause I could certainly use the THREE HUNDRED THOUSAND!!!!! dollars that this bid is worth. |
| 04:19.54 | UnixDog | I am sorry to report but linux is being taken off the compatable os list . you will have to move to another opensource os and start from scratch |
| 04:20.00 | [TK]D-Fender | ardor, Good, that call looked perfectly normal. |
| 04:20.14 | [TK]D-Fender | ardor, Except for the fact the # you dialed wasn't valid. |
| 04:20.18 | jblack | So I tell him "sorry. I'm gonna have to back out. If you go after it, though, good luck". |
| 04:20.24 | ardor | yeah |
| 04:20.30 | jblack | It's at this point, that things start to get funny. |
| 04:20.34 | ardor | but then i dialed the right one |
| 04:20.35 | tessier | jblack: Hey there! |
| 04:20.41 | jblack | tessier!! Hey buddy! |
| 04:20.57 | [TK]D-Fender | ardor, But then right after Via: SIP/2.0/UDP 74.7.211.21:5060;branch=z9hG4bK22da125d;rport |
| 04:20.58 | drmessano | That sounds like some highschool crap.. "You buy the hard drive and I will install your OS for $50, because I dont have any more" easily scales up to a $300,000 PBX project |
| 04:20.59 | tessier | jblack: How's the phone system busines treating you? |
| 04:20.59 | jblack | mind if I finish my story, first? |
| 04:21.05 | tessier | go aheaad |
| 04:21.13 | [TK]D-Fender | ardor, Do you have ANOTHER phone registering to the same account that they are fighting over? |
| 04:21.14 | jblack | Oh, I'm not in business. I'm still a novice, in fact. |
| 04:21.28 | tessier | oh. Well, I'm doing a demo tomorrow for a possible phone system install. :) |
| 04:21.33 | ardor | I have everything else unplug (Promise) |
| 04:21.39 | jblack | So, he gets all emo (the cat pictures reminded me of this), and basically says that I'll regret it. |
| 04:22.07 | ardor | TKD-Fender at one time i might of had one, though. |
| 04:22.07 | jblack | Two hours later, he hits me up in msg again, and says 'I got the $500,000 bid. I bet you feel dumb now, don't you' |
| 04:22.22 | drmessano | lol |
| 04:22.23 | [TK]D-Fender | ardor, ..... |
| 04:22.34 | drmessano | Tomorrow.. it will be TWO BILLION DOLLARS |
| 04:22.49 | drmessano | or maybe just 1 million |
| 04:22.57 | [TK]D-Fender | drmessano, one MEEEEEEEELION dollars! |
| 04:23.03 | drmessano | lol, yes |
| 04:23.14 | jblack | I'm just sitting there, laughing my ass off, thinking 'Yeah, sure. they gave a half million dollars to a kid, after an emergency school board meeting to decide to give it to you, without a bidding process'. |
| 04:23.19 | jblack | So I say "Wow! Congrats!" |
| 04:23.25 | drmessano | HA |
| 04:23.52 | [TK]D-Fender | jblack, and then watch the SUE him for failing to live up to his contract when he can't bail his own ass out in time... |
| 04:23.56 | ardor | TKD-Fender I have no idea how to fix this |
| 04:23.59 | drmessano | "Dude, I am so gonna cut costs on the config.. We're gonna use Trixboxes" |
| 04:24.09 | Condector | [TK]D-Fender, i will cry.. god dammit |
| 04:24.10 | jblack | Having proven to me the error of my ways, he says he's going to bed. Thank you! |
| 04:24.18 | De_Mon | jblack at that bid, he can probably hire someone to do it cheaper and get rich |
| 04:24.22 | Condector | huahuaa |
| 04:24.22 | [TK]D-Fender | Condector, pastebin your sip.conf |
| 04:24.52 | jblack | Well, 10 hours later, he hits me up in msg AGAIN, saying "I wired up 75% of the campus last night. Now I know you feel stupid" |
| 04:25.06 | drmessano | HA |
| 04:25.10 | drmessano | Wow |
| 04:25.14 | drmessano | Thats... psycho |
| 04:25.32 | CrashSys | jblack: Did you tell him that your taking his date to prom yet? |
| 04:25.38 | russellb | lol ... |
| 04:25.43 | CrashSys | since this is a HS drama contest |
| 04:25.43 | drmessano | LOL |
| 04:25.45 | tessier | Anyone know why, when I park a call, the console says that it is playing the numbers of the line the call got parked on but I'm not hearing them? |
| 04:25.49 | jblack | There's entire sets of tennis courts between the building clusters... But you know just how much work a guy can do, if his buddy drives him over in the middle of the night to help him bury cable. Right? :) |
| 04:26.01 | ardor | TKD-Fender I am screwed |
| 04:26.03 | drmessano | Tell him "Your mom is in my top8" |
| 04:26.09 | drmessano | That'll get him |
| 04:26.11 | tessier | Other than meetme not working (because this is temporarily running on Amazon EC2 which doesn't have the kernel support for the timing) everything else is ready and working. |
| 04:26.13 | De_Mon | jblack he must be using site-to-site wireless |
| 04:26.21 | jblack | Nah, he said he buried the cable. |
| 04:26.31 | tessier | He dug a trench eh? Hard worker. |
| 04:26.38 | *** join/#asterisk richard1234 (i=root@202.60.90.20) |
| 04:26.46 | CrashSys | wow... I need to sub all my cabling to this guy |
| 04:26.52 | jblack | De_Mon: This isn't something actually happening. It's some kid teaching me a lesson about the error of turning him away. |
| 04:26.56 | jblack | Yeah. He's magic. ;) |
| 04:27.03 | Condector | http://pastebin.com/m5b8ed1c3 have the sip conf |
| 04:27.11 | jblack | tessier: You're parking yourself, by calling yourself, right? |
| 04:27.19 | De_Mon | oh.. no wonder he charges so much, magic is hard to come by these days. |
| 04:27.20 | [TK]D-Fender | ardor, set "qualify=no" for your sip peer, stop *. Pull the plug on yoru phone. Restart *. Give it a minute. Reboot your phone. Test. |
| 04:27.21 | drmessano | jblack: Should I sell him a few 1000 foot boxes of wireless ethernet cable? |
| 04:27.22 | CrashSys | I mean, it'd take me ATLEAST a week to hire an angle-bore to bore under a tennis court... |
| 04:27.22 | Condector | ops, the new sip |
| 04:27.36 | jblack | drmessano: Only the Cat-12 cable. ;) |
| 04:27.37 | De_Mon | drmessano hehehe |
| 04:27.46 | jblack | No, cat-OC3 cable. ;D |
| 04:27.55 | drmessano | HA |
| 04:28.06 | CrashSys | LOL... tell him he needs token ring thicknet |
| 04:28.12 | drmessano | Im gonna sell some Wireless G boxes as "Cableless T3s" |
| 04:28.15 | [TK]D-Fender | tessier, are you doing an ATTENDED transfer? |
| 04:28.22 | jblack | Make sure to buy extra tokens, in case he loses one. |
| 04:28.26 | tessier | jblack: No. I'm calling in on my cell phone, choosing an extension from the ivr, answering it, have two way audio and everything works, then I transfer the cell phone call to extension 700 (included the parking context into my dialplan) and the cell phone gets music on hold like it should and the console says playing the digits but I never actually hear the digits on the voip phone. Then the voip phone is disconnected as it should be. I can d |
| 04:28.26 | tessier | ial 701 and pick up the parked call no problem. Just not hearing the 701. |
| 04:28.37 | [TK]D-Fender | drmessano, Don't forget the free Snake-Oil sample! ;) |
| 04:28.42 | jblack | tessier: The parking announcement only happens on one line (should be the person transferring). |
| 04:28.43 | drmessano | lol |
| 04:28.53 | jblack | pardon, on one ... channel. |
| 04:29.06 | richard1234 | hello...i'm a complete noob to asterisk, and i'm trying to fix an issue here...the whole config on the server got restored from backup last night to fix a corrupt voicemail.conf, but the config was an older version and didn't work properly. there is an fxo device and two voip phones natted behind one ip address |
| 04:29.19 | CrashSys | Dont suppose anyone knows a trick to disable the polycom's from asking for a parking orbit on their built-in parking softkey? |
| 04:29.20 | richard1234 | at first it was giving the username mismatch error |
| 04:29.28 | drmessano | He's using a mesh network.. which means he's tied old pantyhose together |
| 04:29.33 | [TK]D-Fender | CrashSys, Nope, thats "fixed" |
| 04:29.36 | jblack | tessier: So, to ask a silly question, are you listening in on the right headset? |
| 04:29.38 | richard1234 | i fixed that by sticking insecure-port,invite all over the place |
| 04:30.01 | tessier | [TK]D-Fender: er....hmm....let me double check that. I'm using the transfer button on the phone. Nope, it's a blind transfer. I guess that would explain it. |
| 04:30.04 | tessier | jblack: Yeah, I am. |
| 04:30.08 | [TK]D-Fender | tessier, yup |
| 04:30.16 | [TK]D-Fender | tessier, another easy find... |
| 04:30.16 | tessier | Been a while since I've messed with parking. |
| 04:30.20 | richard1234 | but now when i make a call on one of the voip phones it comes up in the debug console as -- Executing [199@incoming:1] Goto("SIP/fxo0-08227830", "incoming,s,1") in n |
| 04:30.21 | richard1234 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:30.32 | richard1234 | (where 199 is the number i dial) |
| 04:31.03 | CrashSys | well if I had a way to use the parking orbit it passes that would be cool too, but last I looked Asterisk doesn't grab any of that... |
| 04:31.03 | [TK]D-Fender | richard1234, clearly not matching the peer you want. insecure is biting you in the ass |
| 04:31.20 | [TK]D-Fender | CrashSys, I think it gets added to a header somewhere |
| 04:31.21 | CrashSys | Plus the asterisk parking doesn't work that way |
| 04:31.33 | [TK]D-Fender | CrashSys, yup, there is that too |
| 04:31.35 | tessier | I think I used to use *2 to do the attended transfer enabled from features.conf but that got turned off because I bet *2 was interfering with someones IVR. |
| 04:31.41 | tessier | And it requires asterisk to be in the media stream. |
| 04:31.47 | richard1234 | hmmmmm, ok, how do i fix it? |
| 04:31.51 | [TK]D-Fender | tessier, what phones? |
| 04:31.59 | CrashSys | D-fender: Last I looked the orbit you type in on the phone gets appended after the TO: part of the sip... like callpark;orbit=1234; |
| 04:32.06 | [TK]D-Fender | richard1234, undo the insecure bit and fix your peers |
| 04:32.10 | tessier | [TK]D-Fender: Snom 320 and Snom 300 |
| 04:32.12 | jblack | Hmm. anyreason you're not using the parkcall feature? |
| 04:32.18 | CrashSys | something like that, would have to look again... kind of funky... |
| 04:32.39 | [TK]D-Fender | CrashSys, Actually... that could be used to specify something usable... |
| 04:32.54 | [TK]D-Fender | CrashSys, Though I'd just as soon disable it for common style functioning. |
| 04:32.56 | jblack | and you have parkedplay = caller ? |
| 04:33.04 | richard1234 | what, remove insecure from the phoens in users.conf? |
| 04:33.11 | tessier | ah, I see how to do an attended transfer. |
| 04:33.12 | tessier | Cool. |
| 04:33.16 | CrashSys | Yeah... but always tinkering... never know when I may figure out a good use for it... |
| 04:33.24 | tessier | jblack: Yes I have parkedplay = caller |
| 04:33.34 | ardor | TKD-Fender: http://pastebin.com/m4d7ab1c0 |
| 04:34.18 | tessier | Yep, that worked perfectly. Sweet. |
| 04:34.30 | Condector | [TK]D-Fender, impossible, same config of my friend, but another user, and the system fail |
| 04:34.49 | jblack | tessier: So, how are things going for you these days? Well, I hope |
| 04:34.50 | [TK]D-Fender | Condector, and I asked you to show me you new sip.conf... |
| 04:35.46 | [TK]D-Fender | ardor, now its not finding your 301 for registering. |
| 04:35.56 | ardor | oh |
| 04:35.59 | ardor | i changed someonething else |
| 04:36.26 | [TK]D-Fender | ardor, You are messing up too much stuff at once. At this rate you'll never pin it down. |
| 04:36.50 | ardor | in sip configure transport from NAPtr to UDP only |
| 04:36.58 | ardor | I;ll change it all back and restart and everything |
| 04:36.59 | ardor | sorry. |
| 04:37.08 | tessier | jblack: Very well. :) |
| 04:37.22 | tessier | jblack: I'm director of IT for Interactivate Inc. |
| 04:38.00 | richard1234 | tried that, changed nothing |
| 04:38.00 | [TK]D-Fender | tessier, what phones are you using? |
| 04:38.30 | tessier | [TK]D-Fender: Snom 320 and Snom 300 |
| 04:38.38 | Condector | [TK]D-Fender, here: http://pastebin.com/m5b46575b |
| 04:38.42 | tessier | I've deployed around 500 Snom phones. They work great so far. |
| 04:39.17 | CrashSys | How they compare to the polycom's? I've never deployed any snom phones for production use... just testing... |
| 04:39.48 | [TK]D-Fender | tessier, .... bleh :) |
| 04:39.59 | [TK]D-Fender | CrashSys, see above |
| 04:40.02 | CrashSys | LOL |
| 04:40.15 | *** join/#asterisk neom (n=neom@CPE001310245427-CM0012256e9f52.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 04:40.17 | *** join/#asterisk [hC] (n=hardcore@S01060016b61c8983.vf.shawcable.net) |
| 04:40.38 | tessier | CrashSys: I've never used Polycom. I started using Snom 3 years ago before Polycom would even acknowledge asterisk's existence. |
| 04:40.53 | UnixDog | what your full of it |
| 04:41.01 | [TK]D-Fender | Condector, You did NOT specify your "localnet" like the guide said and [brivaldo] should be "nat=no" |
| 04:41.02 | UnixDog | I have been using polycoms for 5 years |
| 04:41.22 | UnixDog | and Polycom always acknowledged astersisk |
| 04:41.29 | Condector | [TK]D-Fender, i try use nat=no and yes.. |
| 04:41.29 | CrashSys | Polycom acknowledge * a year ago didn't they? |
| 04:41.36 | CrashSys | like officially as part of the partner program? |
| 04:41.37 | tessier | CrashSys: That's what I thought. |
| 04:41.37 | [TK]D-Fender | Condector, see the FIRST part too. |
| 04:42.11 | [TK]D-Fender | Polycom > All |
| 04:42.14 | neom | I'm a bit of a noob to asterisk, but i've ben thinking about putting it in our office. Is there anything that explains the usual questions people have? I've read the site, but I'm curious to know how I get a phone number, and assign it to the computer, what actually plug into the system itself (RJ45??) etc? |
| 04:42.27 | Condector | ops, localnet=10.0.0.0/8 sorry, i use this too, but don't paste into pastebin |
| 04:42.31 | CrashSys | I just wish polycom would charge me $10 a phone and put in a freakin' backlight |
| 04:42.44 | CrashSys | and stun support would be nice |
| 04:43.24 | CrashSys | err $10 more |
| 04:43.30 | ardor | http://pastebin.com/m6acfea86 |
| 04:43.36 | ardor | I am going have to reinstall huh? |
| 04:43.40 | drmessano | ~book |
| 04:43.41 | jbot | Asterisk: The Future of Telephony 2nd Edition (ISBN 0-596-51048-9) --- Order yours at http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/9780596510480/ --- Free downloadable PDF http://downloads.oreilly.com/books/9780596510480.pdf --- HTML at http://tfot.leifmadsen.com |
| 04:43.45 | drmessano | Read: |
| 04:43.48 | drmessano | Then |
| 04:43.51 | drmessano | Read Again |
| 04:43.59 | richard1234 | ok thanks, got rid of the insecure from the fxo in sip.conf |
| 04:44.00 | drmessano | When you think you know everything, read it one more time |
| 04:44.03 | richard1234 | works perfectly now |
| 04:44.18 | richard1234 | will have a chat to the guy in our business whose responsible for the asterisk setup (he's unreachable currently) |
| 04:44.19 | richard1234 | thanks |
| 04:44.36 | [TK]D-Fender | ardor, Retransmitting #3 (no NAT) to 192.168.1.21:5060: Via: SIP/2.0/UDP 74.7.211.21:5060;branch=z9hG4bK590d6693 |
| 04:44.43 | [TK]D-Fender | ardor, Still FUBAR'd |
| 04:44.59 | ardor | i wonder why |
| 04:45.08 | ardor | I bet its the polycom config files |
| 04:45.14 | ardor | I am going to search for that IP address |
| 04:45.33 | [TK]D-Fender | CrashSys, Yes, a backlight, reg-bound buddies & presence. |
| 04:45.39 | [TK]D-Fender | ardor, check your phone OVERRIDES |
| 04:45.52 | ardor | grep -R 74.7.211 * |
| 04:45.53 | ardor | nothing |
| 04:46.24 | [TK]D-Fender | ardor, check the reg info on the phone itself. |
| 04:46.29 | CrashSys | I dont use presence a whole lot cause unless you only have 6 phones the 601/650 + Sidecar is more then most people are willing to spend... |
| 04:46.32 | [TK]D-Fender | ardor, drill the UI on it |
| 04:46.46 | ardor | by pressing the menu button on what not |
| 04:46.50 | jblack | lol. |
| 04:46.51 | ardor | Ive been in and out of that thing |
| 04:46.54 | [TK]D-Fender | ardor, Yes |
| 04:46.57 | ardor | no 75.7 |
| 04:46.57 | jblack | omg. I have to pastebin this |
| 04:46.58 | ardor | on there. |
| 04:47.01 | ardor | i mean 74.7 |
| 04:47.11 | CrashSys | jblack: Did he wire a voip phone in china now? |
| 04:47.31 | [TK]D-Fender | ardor, I'm still somewhat sure its networking is bungled.. the VIA is set based on the IP it came in under |
| 04:47.33 | jblack | http://pastebin.com/m387e0b24 |
| 04:47.53 | jblack | I'm laughing so hard, I can't type |
| 04:48.02 | UnixDog | I love polycoms because of its cnf files |
| 04:48.03 | ardor | TKD-Fender I think your write |
| 04:48.13 | UnixDog | you never really have to touch the phone |
| 04:48.16 | [TK]D-Fender | lol |
| 04:48.28 | CrashSys | LOL |
| 04:48.30 | UnixDog | exept to set it up to see the tftpserver |
| 04:48.38 | drmessano | R O F L |
| 04:48.49 | ardor | But i have a T1 internet (NEW) -> router (NEW) -> Switch -> Linux Box -> VMWARE Bridge Nic -> Trixbox |
| 04:48.50 | CrashSys | $12.75/hr is about 10-minutes of my going rate... |
| 04:48.53 | jblack | 23:47 <mrdigital> leme rephrase it |
| 04:48.53 | jblack | 23:47 <mrdigital> my MAIN job is waiter |
| 04:48.57 | drmessano | "Im not just the IT guy... now, can I have your plate please" |
| 04:49.02 | [TK]D-Fender | UnixDog, indeed. I config mine THEN unbox them, plug them in and walk back about 5 mins later firmware upgraded and fully functional :) |
| 04:49.25 | [TK]D-Fender | drmessano, So he can literally ask "Would you like fries with that, sir?" :p |
| 04:49.30 | drmessano | ROFL |
| 04:49.44 | CrashSys | "Once I add your new sip phone, would you like a strawberry shake?" |
| 04:49.48 | jblack | I just thanked him. |
| 04:49.48 | drmessano | i wonder if thats some macho Steven Segal shit |
| 04:49.58 | drmessano | "Im just the waiter" and he's hacking servers |
| 04:49.58 | UnixDog | lol |
| 04:50.06 | UnixDog | nightguys |
| 04:50.18 | jblack | 23:49 <jblack> I've had a hard week, but you keep putting a big smile on my face. |
| 04:50.18 | drmessano | Under Siege 3: Do you want fries with that? |
| 04:50.20 | [TK]D-Fender | drmessano, its "I'm jsut the cook" actually :) |
| 04:50.42 | drmessano | Yes, [TK]D-Fender, but literary license applies ;) |
| 04:50.45 | [TK]D-Fender | drmessano, He can't act for beans... he should stick to teaching aikido and learn some humility |
| 04:50.48 | *** join/#asterisk qdslflor (n=larry@68.200.88.40) |
| 04:50.50 | jblack | So now we know what he means when he talks about chips. |
| 04:50.54 | ardor | I am going to move everything back to the old server |
| 04:50.55 | drmessano | lol |
| 04:51.01 | ardor | and hope it works... damn it. |
| 04:51.01 | [TK]D-Fender | drmessano, You're creative license is hereby REVOKED :p |
| 04:51.03 | drmessano | Cables = Long Fries |
| 04:51.11 | [TK]D-Fender | drmessano, lol |
| 04:51.11 | ardor | Thanks for all your awesome help though means allot to me |
| 04:51.17 | drmessano | Cat5 = highest setting on the grill |
| 04:51.41 | [TK]D-Fender | drmessano, Another "half-baked" idea brought to you by our sponsor : MrDigital |
| 04:51.46 | drmessano | lol |
| 04:51.58 | drmessano | Next time he shows up |
| 04:52.05 | [TK]D-Fender | drmessano, gotta love when the little kiddies start "talkin' shit".... |
| 04:52.07 | drmessano | mrdigital: theres a fly in my soup |
| 04:52.37 | Condector | [TK]D-Fender, now work register.. but I have a call problem... the call work, but is destroyed prematuraly.. |
| 04:52.37 | [TK]D-Fender | drmessano, Does the flie wnat fries too? |
| 04:52.48 | [TK]D-Fender | Condector, PASTEBIN <- |
| 04:52.48 | jblack | I updated my paste. |
| 04:52.49 | Condector | [TK]D-Fender, here the log message: http://pastebin.com/m6328f8d1 |
| 04:53.03 | *** join/#asterisk L|NUX (i=L_NUX@unaffiliated/lnux/x-10290) |
| 04:53.05 | [TK]D-Fender | jblack, then you've got a new # to hand to us |
| 04:53.18 | jblack | Pardon. http://pastebin.com/m4dcc720e |
| 04:53.32 | *** join/#asterisk kn0x (n=pinochle@75.127.83.151) |
| 04:53.43 | qdslflor | Hello. I'm new to asterisk. Looking for inexpensive IP phone, I think called SIP phone. |
| 04:54.04 | jblack | qdslflor: Cheap.... When you say cheap, how cheap is cheap? |
| 04:54.10 | drmessano | You need 3 good lines to make top 100 on Bash |
| 04:54.12 | drmessano | Keep working.. |
| 04:54.43 | drmessano | Ask him what protocol the milkshake makes uses for making outgoing calls |
| 04:54.45 | CrashSys | Line 12-14 are bash worthy |
| 04:54.52 | drmessano | Crap |
| 04:54.57 | drmessano | Ask him what protocol the milkshake machine makes uses for making outgoing calls |
| 04:55.03 | drmessano | nevermind |
| 04:55.04 | drmessano | Fail |
| 04:55.08 | jblack | 23:54 <jblack> Summarize it for me? 3 good, long sentences for posterity? |
| 04:55.08 | qdslflor | I just need to make and accept calls, voicemail, etc. I saw cisco for $150. Am I delusional for thinking $50? |
| 04:55.16 | drmessano | ROFL |
| 04:55.33 | CrashSys | qdsflor: Go get a grandstream |
| 04:55.45 | CrashSys | they are the best $50 piles of crap you can buy... |
| 04:56.08 | CrashSys | but in the 6 months you own one you could buy one $150 snom/polycom and be done... |
| 04:56.12 | jblack | omg... 23:55 <mrdigital> shes lying to me about stuff |
| 04:56.25 | drmessano | HA |
| 04:56.30 | jblack | Why am I suddenly thinking about pots and kettles? |
| 04:56.32 | [TK]D-Fender | qdslflor, Where are you located? |
| 04:56.35 | drmessano | "shes lying?.. Dude, mount her" |
| 04:56.52 | qdslflor | Thanks. Found their website. I'll start looking for deals. Later... |
| 04:57.01 | [TK]D-Fender | drmessano, ... |
| 04:57.03 | [TK]D-Fender | ~sex |
| 04:57.03 | jbot | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep, or super extractor, http://sf.net/projects/sex/ |
| 04:57.08 | lucent | CrashSys: any particular high-end phone you would suggest in the sub $300 range? |
| 04:57.09 | qdslflor | I'm in Ozona, Florida. |
| 04:57.17 | *** part/#asterisk harryr (n=harryr@cpc3-lamb3-0-0-cust913.bmly.cable.ntl.com) |
| 04:57.39 | drmessano | jblack: ask him if he pulled all that cable for nothing |
| 04:57.44 | drmessano | since he "did" |
| 04:57.48 | [TK]D-Fender | qdslflor, Then here : http://www.telephonydepot.com/product_p/105-058-320.htm |
| 04:57.57 | CrashSys | Lucent: Snom 300/320, Polycom IP320 through IP601... |
| 04:58.06 | [TK]D-Fender | qdslflor, plus this : http://www.telephonydepot.com/product_p/105-058-203.htm |
| 04:58.18 | [TK]D-Fender | qdslflor, Do not consider anything lower than this. |
| 04:58.19 | CrashSys | dont buy the IP301 or 501... they are discontinued unless you get them cheap |
| 04:58.47 | [TK]D-Fender | lucent, pick a Polycom, any will do. What do you need in your phone? |
| 04:59.20 | lucent | [TK]D-Fender: cheap 2nd hand from eBay, supported by Polycom under an A/V company's existing relationship with Polycom |
| 04:59.20 | CrashSys | I push the IP430 as standard desktop phone... and the 320/330 if they are cheap or want lobby phone... |
| 04:59.22 | drmessano | This is killing me, I need a paste update.. NOW |
| 04:59.37 | qdslflor | Just looking for replacement for landline. I have cell but it consistantly drops calls inside building. |
| 04:59.44 | jblack | drmessano: sec |
| 04:59.54 | jblack | I set a beartrap |
| 04:59.55 | [TK]D-Fender | CrashSys, IP 430 has had some issues, and the IP 330 is cheaper.... |
| 05:00.05 | drmessano | Awesome |
| 05:00.15 | [TK]D-Fender | CrashSys, little point in the 430, and the 501 has a VERY tiny window of suggestability |
| 05:00.16 | qdslflor | I need 1 perhaps 2 extensions. |
| 05:00.28 | [TK]D-Fender | qdslflor, Then take the one I linked you to. |
| 05:00.37 | qdslflor | By that I mean a max of 2 phones. |
| 05:00.41 | CrashSys | D-Fender: What issues? I've had no problems with them... get a few hundred out there |
| 05:00.59 | lucent | CrashSys: thanks for the suggestion |
| 05:01.13 | CrashSys | get = got |
| 05:01.17 | CrashSys | damn I cant type tonight |
| 05:01.18 | jblack | Damn. >< close http://pastebin.com/m31e93502 |
| 05:01.35 | [TK]D-Fender | CrashSys, there have been numerous reports of locking, screen instability, etc. But aside from that it costs more that an IP 330, won't be suported as long, and the 330 uses a more common inexpensive headset standard |
| 05:01.55 | qdslflor | Having never used asterisk but willing to work with it in the scene just described, any gotchas that I need to be aware of? |
| 05:02.30 | jblack | qdslflor: Yeah, it takes some time to understand. It's not really deep, but it is pretty wide. |
| 05:03.06 | CrashSys | I just dont like the idea that I have to be on the call to transfer with a 320/330 |
| 05:03.38 | [TK]D-Fender | CrashSys, you mean transfering a held call? |
| 05:03.49 | jblack | I think I may have killed drmessano |
| 05:03.56 | CrashSys | Yeah... if someone puts a call on hold then wants to transfer you have to pick them back up |
| 05:04.02 | [TK]D-Fender | jblack, yes, but he died laughing at least :) |
| 05:04.11 | [TK]D-Fender | CrashSys, that IS news to me at least. Thanks. |
| 05:04.19 | [TK]D-Fender | CrashSys, Any other caveats? |
| 05:04.34 | CrashSys | D-Fender: It's only got 3 softkeys... that 4th softkey is where the transfer button went :) |
| 05:04.39 | CrashSys | Other then that, no, fine phone... |
| 05:04.41 | qdslflor | I have scanned the docs and see there are zillions of options, any one of which can lead to frustration. I'll give it a try - I used to program in assembly back in mumble mumble. |
| 05:04.54 | [TK]D-Fender | CrashSys, well THAT I knew :) |
| 05:05.07 | CrashSys | D-FendeR: And the headsets are cheaper... |
| 05:05.09 | [TK]D-Fender | qdslflor, Here : |
| 05:05.13 | [TK]D-Fender | ~book |
| 05:05.13 | jbot | Asterisk: The Future of Telephony 2nd Edition (ISBN 0-596-51048-9) --- Order yours at http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/9780596510480/ --- Free downloadable PDF http://downloads.oreilly.com/books/9780596510480.pdf --- HTML at http://tfot.leifmadsen.com |
| 05:05.14 | drmessano | Z O M G |
| 05:05.18 | drmessano | I just died |
| 05:05.18 | [TK]D-Fender | ~jerjerguide |
| 05:05.19 | jbot | [~jerjerguide ] Jeremy McNamara's quick sample guide to setting up * : http://www.jeremy-mcnamara.com/2007/02/26/how-to-configure-asterisk-your-first-installation/ |
| 05:05.22 | CrashSys | But i'm not a fan of the two-tone thing... but that's a personal preference :) |
| 05:05.23 | jblack | Told ya |
| 05:05.30 | drmessano | Dumped her for being a liar |
| 05:05.42 | Condector | I want to use g729 for tests, exist a open implementation? |
| 05:05.43 | drmessano | "She has no career prospects either" |
| 05:05.50 | [TK]D-Fender | drmessano, Is it her turn to play the "kettle"? ;) |
| 05:06.05 | [TK]D-Fender | Condector, Nothing you'll get any support for in here. |
| 05:06.18 | lucent | ;/ |
| 05:06.23 | drmessano | I wish I was his best friend.. so i could sleep with her, once.. He would be emo for the next 10 years |
| 05:06.26 | Condector | sorry |
| 05:06.29 | qdslflor | Thanks, I've already been perusing those 600 pages. |
| 05:06.32 | lucent | I declare it a stupid day for relationships. |
| 05:06.37 | Condector | but, okay |
| 05:06.41 | [TK]D-Fender | qdslflor, then follow that 2nd guide... |
| 05:06.45 | jblack | man, he is so emo right now. |
| 05:06.59 | lucent | yeah? well me too, and 5 other people I ran into today |
| 05:07.05 | lucent | otherwise not emo people |
| 05:07.08 | lucent | today? E-mo. |
| 05:07.10 | drmessano | I would be too if I spent the whole night wiring a 300k install |
| 05:07.25 | [TK]D-Fender | jblack, for the love of God make sure to sake that entire chat session! This is comedy gold! |
| 05:07.34 | drmessano | Just crawling under the tennis courts with that bundle of cat5 in your mouth is tough |
| 05:08.05 | lucent | ha |
| 05:08.07 | jblack | He's getting quiet. |
| 05:08.14 | qdslflor | Great! Thanks to jbot, Fender, CrashSys. I need to get going for now. Later. |
| 05:08.18 | lucent | going prone while doing cabling? |
| 05:08.21 | lucent | classy. |
| 05:08.38 | [TK]D-Fender | lucent, He's working his way up to doggy-style :p |
| 05:08.39 | *** part/#asterisk qdslflor (n=larry@68.200.88.40) |
| 05:09.05 | drmessano | Kind of guy that uses a lamp cord and a 120v incadescent bulb to check cat5 with and wonders why it keeps melting |
| 05:09.33 | lucent | drmessano: that has to be a myth |
| 05:10.01 | drmessano | I've seen people run 120V over Belden 291 before |
| 05:10.02 | jblack | I feel bad for him, tbh. He seems kind of stuck in life to me, and not too much hope getting out of it. |
| 05:10.46 | jblack | To succeed in life, you need a balance of being born rich, born lucky or damned intelligent. I don't think he has any of those three. |
| 05:10.49 | drmessano | I was rewiring a transmitter building and nearly cut into it |
| 05:11.06 | CrashSys | I still think the best thing is electricians that do the datacom wiring |
| 05:11.47 | CrashSys | Nothing like popping a faceplate and seeing all the white's twisted together and the brown on the ring... |
| 05:11.53 | CrashSys | brown is close to black right? |
| 05:11.55 | drmessano | What about punching down cat5 on a 66 block? |
| 05:12.03 | CrashSys | And the whites is just for a high-cap neutral! |
| 05:12.03 | drmessano | for DATA |
| 05:12.17 | CrashSys | They make 5e 66-blocks |
| 05:12.26 | CrashSys | you have to do a butterfly-punch... :) |
| 05:12.29 | drmessano | lol |
| 05:13.04 | drmessano | That frightens me |
| 05:13.20 | CrashSys | Or they do loop wiring... which is a fun mess... |
| 05:13.41 | jblack | I need to do wiring here in the house. |
| 05:14.02 | *** join/#asterisk hijacked (i=dbnv@66.255.220.17) |
| 05:14.32 | jblack | I don't know if I'll ever do it though. They're plaster wall, and my home is four stories. |
| 05:14.36 | CrashSys | The other thing that makes me smile is the tech for the CLEC's telling me I need to run shielded cat5e from the smartjack to my phone switch... |
| 05:15.03 | drmessano | LOL |
| 05:15.06 | CrashSys | Cause that's why my d-channel keeps getting mixed messages... not because their repeater card is hosed... |
| 05:15.36 | jblack | I'm surprised she didn't tell you to reinstall windows on the cable. |
| 05:15.48 | drmessano | I had a tech come in and install a new T1 for me.. into a 4 card cabinet that had protection ON the cabinet |
| 05:16.05 | drmessano | Ok.... |
| 05:16.05 | drmessano | So.. |
| 05:16.15 | drmessano | We got the cabinet for lightning |
| 05:16.24 | drmessano | We have LOTS of issues with lightning |
| 05:16.37 | jblack | ok |
| 05:16.52 | drmessano | He comes in, decides the protection is doubled.. so he puts gray blanks in the protection slots on the cabinet |
| 05:16.56 | jblack | (there must be a but in here somewhere) |
| 05:16.57 | jblack | Aha |
| 05:17.18 | drmessano | Im just WAITING for us to get wacked |
| 05:17.33 | drmessano | 400 foot tower out back.. with a ground system (its an AM) |
| 05:17.35 | drmessano | So yeah |
| 05:17.59 | CrashSys | Verizon down here still takes the prize for pissing me off the most... had 4 T1's in an office... one went dark... verizon guy shows up, brings the line up, but drops another circuit... I tell him "Hey, you just killed my other circuit" to which he replies "Sorry, the trouble ticket for the circuit in question in fixed, open another ticket" and leaves... |
| 05:18.16 | drmessano | wow |
| 05:18.20 | jblack | lol |
| 05:18.22 | CrashSys | got to love the copper shortage... |
| 05:18.45 | CrashSys | They are putting Fios in everywhere, so they are letting the copper plant go to crap... |
| 05:19.24 | jblack | I wish they'd sell the old plant off, but competition and all... |
| 05:19.46 | jblack | I heard horror stories about them intentionally ripping copper plant out, even in last mile cases. |
| 05:20.28 | CrashSys | I'm in the tampa bay, fl area... if you have them install Fios, they will cut the copper to your premesis, and if you want to switch back, you go onto a 3-month waiting list... |
| 05:20.43 | CrashSys | 3-months to have someone re-run the copper they cut out to begin with |
| 05:21.28 | drmessano | Ok.. I had Bell come in and install a new 3MB circuit.. They installed 2 new circuits, even though it was an upgrade to the old single T1.. So he starts to rip put the cabinet I had in that building and said "Wait, what are you doing?" "Oh, you need an extra slot here" "Um, why dont you just down the old circuit and I will get the new one up.. its the replacement and being disconnected" "Oh" |
| 05:22.03 | drmessano | "No, please, clutter my wall with more crap" |
| 05:22.37 | jblack | Yeah. The baby bells have a penchant for hiring two legged disasters. |
| 05:22.44 | CrashSys | Yeah, verizon does that a lot here... If you are in an office park, and move from one space to the space next-door, they will build out a whole new circuit instead of just changing the F2 pairs in the SAI... |
| 05:22.47 | CrashSys | it's stupid... |
| 05:22.52 | jblack | Has verizon managed to cut down on the number of houses that they're setting on fire? |
| 05:23.25 | CrashSys | Dont believe so |
| 05:23.38 | CrashSys | I like how their installer are all the MrDigital types |
| 05:23.45 | drmessano | They have NO respect for the 4 inch copper ground system I have.. they put a new box in and run a piece of 12 gauge out the wall to a water spicket near the back door |
| 05:23.47 | CrashSys | They install Fios by day, flip burgers by night :) |
| 05:24.01 | drmessano | "Hot plate, sir" |
| 05:24.16 | CrashSys | 4-inch copper ground? |
| 05:24.19 | drmessano | yeah |
| 05:24.26 | drmessano | 4 inch ground strap |
| 05:24.54 | drmessano | all through the building, out to my ground system for the tower.. all bonded to all the AC panels, etc |
| 05:25.02 | CrashSys | ... I usually run a #6 stranded to structural steel or a 5/8" x 6' ground rod, and bond it to the electrical system... |
| 05:25.05 | drmessano | They decide to make a new ground |
| 05:25.19 | CrashSys | Ohhhhh... you said you were in an AM station right? |
| 05:25.21 | drmessano | #6 is fine for electrical.. |
| 05:25.22 | drmessano | Yeah |
| 05:25.27 | drmessano | 4000 watt AM to boot |
| 05:25.36 | drmessano | So RF and lightning issues |
| 05:25.40 | CrashSys | Yup yup |
| 05:25.46 | Condector | [TK]D-Fender, work now.. thanks! |
| 05:25.48 | CrashSys | and lots of dead stuff near the antenna :) |
| 05:25.53 | drmessano | lol |
| 05:26.08 | drmessano | Ive been shocked by that tower before |
| 05:26.13 | drmessano | While trimming weeds |
| 05:26.15 | [TK]D-Fender | Condector, You're welcome |
| 05:26.22 | drmessano | RF burns suck |
| 05:26.23 | drmessano | lol |
| 05:26.24 | drmessano | BAD |
| 05:27.00 | [TK]D-Fender | drmessano, baked, not fried :p |
| 05:27.06 | jblack | I was in the navy for a few years, on a submarine tender. The smoking deck was outside, just outside the ship's UHF antenna. |
| 05:27.09 | CrashSys | #6 stranded is code for a backboard... always cracks me up verizon wont install their cardcage unless they see #6 brought to the board but then they run a 22-guage wire to the cage... |
| 05:27.18 | drmessano | ROFL |
| 05:27.41 | drmessano | Yes, they run the smallest shit possible to the ground.. but it has to be a real ground |
| 05:27.44 | drmessano | "That makes sense" |
| 05:27.46 | jblack | with a nice 20' big, fat, red, circle around it. I used to walk around the circle as I smoked, played the hokey pokey with it and such... |
| 05:27.58 | drmessano | lol |
| 05:27.59 | jblack | four years later, I came down with a brain tumor. |
| 05:28.04 | drmessano | Damn |
| 05:29.02 | CrashSys | ouch |
| 05:29.10 | CrashSys | Asterisk just gives me the occasional headache |
| 05:29.23 | drmessano | Theres a story about a tower crew that got up on the tower after the engineer cut the power back.. The program director woke up, heard the station off the air, fired it back up.. with them on the tower.. Their RF suits started smoking, RF detectors went off, and they barely made it the 100 or so feet they needed to fly down to safety |
| 05:29.46 | drmessano | They basically grabbed the life lines the jumped 100 feet to a lower rung |
| 05:29.55 | jblack | Actually, it's been a good thing for me. Technically, I'm terminal.. but I've been terminal for 12 years now, which means 100% VA disability. Here I am, 12 years later, with no sign of imminent demise, without any specific need to work another day in my life. |
| 05:30.23 | jblack | I guess the moral of the story is "big red circles are good" |
| 05:30.58 | drmessano | Sadly, people really didnt know even just a few years ago |
| 05:31.04 | drmessano | They know when it burned them |
| 05:31.10 | drmessano | But less than that, no clue |
| 05:32.36 | drmessano | Almost every retired engineer I know in this area died of cancer within 5 years of retiring.. from cancer |
| 05:32.42 | drmessano | OOPS, redundant |
| 05:33.10 | CrashSys | Just like the early radar developers all turned into a microwaved burrito |
| 05:33.45 | drmessano | The guy that invented microwave ovens |
| 05:34.02 | drmessano | Had a candy bar in his pocket.. walked by a radar and it melted in his pocket |
| 05:34.11 | CrashSys | Yup... |
| 05:34.22 | drmessano | Died of cancer, if I am not mistaken |
| 05:34.49 | CrashSys | Buddy of my grandfather's was stationed in the radar station on pearl harbor (not during the attack)... they would get bored, drink, and go shoot pigs/whatever, then string them up in front of the dish to cook 'em... |
| 05:35.15 | drmessano | LOL |
| 05:35.22 | jblack | Yeah. It was fun to watch birds fly through the beam of a tracking radar. |
| 05:35.39 | jblack | They'd fly through the beam, take a couple more strokes, then divebomb. |
| 05:35.55 | CrashSys | Yeah... ever notice there's never any bird nests in radar towers :) |
| 05:36.29 | CrashSys | Kind of like AM towers always have dead animals near the ground points |
| 05:37.14 | drmessano | The nature folks like to claim the birds cant see the tower.. which is not the reason.. but how do you use "No, dumbass, the RF cooked them" as a counter? |
| 05:38.47 | jblack | Tell them they can prove their point by camping overnight on top of the antenna. ;) |
| 05:38.58 | drmessano | One of the biggest sources of RF exposure is taking a dive in a little over a year.. No more 2 million watt ERP TV signals |
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| 05:39.53 | jblack | Man, I do not want to run cable in this house. |
| 05:39.58 | CrashSys | Atleast FM is a little safer :) |
| 05:40.30 | drmessano | lol yeah |
| 05:40.42 | drmessano | I have 2 100,000 watt FM stations... always fun |
| 05:40.51 | CrashSys | got a couple 100K-watt candles in this area... |
| 05:41.03 | jblack | Does anyone know offhand how bad the interference is between 802.11g and dect6? |
| 05:41.25 | Qwell | isn't dect on like 1800-1900ish? |
| 05:41.46 | drmessano | It is |
| 05:41.50 | jblack | No idea. |
| 05:41.52 | drmessano | So shouldnt be a problem |
| 05:41.56 | drmessano | 1.9GHZ |
| 05:41.57 | jblack | Yeah, that's pretty far off. |
| 05:42.06 | drmessano | Woudlnt even worry about desense either |
| 05:42.32 | jblack | Perhaps I should just get a pile of cordless phones |
| 05:42.50 | drmessano | I have a couple 900 and 5.8GHZ cordless phones on ATAs |
| 05:42.52 | drmessano | Love em |
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| 05:44.22 | jblack | I have a Linksys SPA-8K on the way, and not a single analog phone in the house to plug into it. |
| 05:44.58 | drmessano | lol |
| 05:45.02 | drmessano | Wal Mart is your friend |
| 05:45.18 | jblack | Yup. That's why I got that, so that I can do a walmart run. |
| 05:45.50 | jblack | It's not as if anyone actually calls me, but what's * without lots of lines? |
| 05:46.16 | drmessano | Secret to asterisk is no friends and lots of trunks |
| 05:46.40 | jblack | Ironic. |
| 05:46.51 | drmessano | Just like having apache and 1 hit a month on your website |
| 05:47.00 | jblack | Have you been reading my logs? |
| 05:47.04 | drmessano | lol |
| 05:47.30 | jblack | oh, mythtv and * don't play along too well. |
| 05:47.49 | drmessano | Oh |
| 05:47.59 | drmessano | and the inverse rule of asterisk family deployment |
| 05:48.00 | jblack | At least not on 2.6.22 |
| 05:48.16 | jblack | What's that rule? |
| 05:48.33 | drmessano | If you deploy asterisk to family members.. the ones who stand to save the most money using your free service won't make a single call on it |
| 05:48.54 | jblack | Oh, of course. |
| 05:49.23 | drmessano | My parents have a $75 long distance bill |
| 05:49.40 | jblack | My ex is a compulsive spender, which means deep debt, which means lots of calls from bill collectors, which means less that I can bleed out of her for child support. |
| 05:50.23 | jblack | I offered to set her up with an extension for screening. Probably cost me all of 3 bucks a month in costs, and would save her $150 a month in overages. |
| 05:51.30 | jblack | But no, she can't do that. She'd rather pay verizon wireless the loads of money. |
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| 05:52.13 | drmessano | My experience has been that people dont care about "VoIP".. VoIP is a great conduit to replace existing systems, and using IP makes a MUCH, MUCH better install.. but at the end of the day its the handset they pick up thats all that matters.. Business, family, whoever |
| 05:52.39 | drmessano | VoIP is a good technology, but its not a product |
| 05:52.45 | denon | drmessano: high def audio may change that a bit .. |
| 05:52.53 | denon | people may very well prefer it |
| 05:52.55 | jblack | Yeah. That's why I want to get those analog phones in the house, to encourage the kid to use the local phone system. |
| 05:53.31 | jblack | In all fairness, she did call me from the kitchen on thursday to find out what I wanted on my salad. But when she calls her friends, out pops the cell phone her mom pays for |
| 05:53.50 | drmessano | lol |
| 05:54.06 | drmessano | My wife runs the crap out of her cell phone to call her mom 12 miles from here |
| 05:54.15 | drmessano | We dont have PSTN here, just ITSP |
| 05:54.28 | drmessano | and I have a low usage deal |
| 05:54.34 | drmessano | But I got them both adapters |
| 05:54.37 | drmessano | and phones |
| 05:54.40 | drmessano | and they never use them |
| 05:54.47 | drmessano | So it ends up just for business use |
| 05:55.13 | jblack | I think I may have an idea of what's going on with them. It's a trust issue. |
| 05:55.44 | drmessano | Its actually just lazyness.. The cell phone is glued to them |
| 05:55.57 | drmessano | Its their Star Trek comlink |
| 05:56.19 | jblack | If they use voip, transparent or no, they're dependant upon you not getting hit by a truck. If they stick with what their used to, they don't need to worry that it'll go away in a year. |
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| 05:56.36 | jblack | And star trek too. I agree on that. |
| 05:56.42 | [TK]D-Fender | drmessano, Captains.... must speak in... sentence... FRAGMENTS! |
| 05:56.46 | drmessano | lol |
| 05:56.58 | drmessano | You seen the shatner "I am shatner" on youtube? |
| 05:57.07 | drmessano | Look for it.. its good |
| 05:57.28 | jblack | If only I could put a 60' tower on top of my home with a wireless transmitter in a bubble. Then I could seed the valley with unidens. ;) |
| 05:57.41 | drmessano | I. Don't. Say. Every. Single. Word. Like. It. Is. It's. Own. Sentence. |
| 05:58.02 | Shaun2222 | wtf is the point of having a house phone with a seperate number when you have a cell... i've only had a cell since i moved out of my parents when i was 19... never needed a house line.. |
| 05:58.42 | drmessano | There is no point |
| 05:59.01 | jblack | Shaun2222: there isn't much anymore, unless you want to take long incoming calls. |
| 05:59.01 | drmessano | Unless its costing you tons of minutes lol |
| 05:59.25 | [TK]D-Fender | I'm on a dry loop at home for DSL, corporate el-cheapo super-loaded cell plan and SIP through numerous clients, including my day job for my primary DID at no cost. Life is good :) |
| 05:59.39 | Shaun2222 | well i guess it depends on if your broke... |
| 05:59.46 | jblack | I went from pots to pots and cell, back to pots, then cell only, to skype, until I got tired of their crap. |
| 05:59.53 | drmessano | Not about being broke |
| 05:59.55 | Shaun2222 | i pay probably 100/month for my plan, the convienence is worth it to me i guess... |
| 06:00.02 | drmessano | Sure |
| 06:00.22 | drmessano | But $200 a month versus using a Voip phone at home point <> point is stupid |
| 06:00.50 | [TK]D-Fender | Shaun2222, OUCH |
| 06:00.58 | jblack | A couple years ago, I was up to $250 a month for verizon, between business dsl on a wet loop and a cellphone. Dropped the cell first, then went dry and with skype. |
| 06:00.58 | Shaun2222 | well i suppose if your sitting at home all day it would be. |
| 06:01.07 | drmessano | lol |
| 06:01.14 | jblack | Now I pay $35 a month for dsl, and $10 a month for iax2. :) |
| 06:01.40 | drmessano | lol |
| 06:01.50 | jblack | And that's assuming I have a long conversation when I order pizza. ;) |
| 06:02.04 | drmessano | Well, I have to cut back her minutes somehow.. I burn up too many myself now, which is going to change |
| 06:02.28 | drmessano | Now that my SPA3102 at work is working 100%, im directing all calls to it |
| 06:02.37 | drmessano | and letting my asterisk be my bitch |
| 06:02.40 | drmessano | I mean |
| 06:02.43 | drmessano | Receptionist |
| 06:02.44 | Shaun2222 | i will agree that if your on the phone a ton it would be worth it for a voip or house extension but you have to be at home... |
| 06:03.03 | drmessano | Well, if you take hours of calls after hours.. |
| 06:03.05 | drmessano | Like I do |
| 06:03.21 | drmessano | or like my wife, call your mom for 2 hours every few days |
| 06:03.25 | drmessano | lol |
| 06:03.28 | drmessano | It adds up |
| 06:03.32 | Shaun2222 | you takes hours of after hour personal calls? |
| 06:03.37 | drmessano | No, work calls |
| 06:04.01 | jblack | Oh, about that not playing well with myth... I'm not sure about this, but from what I saw, when myth is eating all the cpu it can get (but at nice level 17), * stutters a bit. I set * to run at nice -5, and that seemed to help a bit. |
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| 06:04.04 | Shaun2222 | lol, well obviously, though we were talking personal here.. |
| 06:04.15 | drmessano | Well, mix of both |
| 06:04.16 | Shaun2222 | i have a biz phone here too... |
| 06:04.26 | jblack | Anybody have any thoughts, perhaps a magic kernel tuning flag to set granularity down? |
| 06:04.36 | drmessano | My work is cheap.. they give me a reinbursement for part of my bill |
| 06:04.54 | drmessano | Rest is up to me to beat down or comp for |
| 06:04.55 | Shaun2222 | cell phone minute plans are pretty decient these days... i think i get like 2000 minutes for 100/Month |
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| 06:05.11 | Shaun2222 | and for 150 it's like 4000 |
| 06:05.16 | drmessano | I have 2100 for $100 now.. |
| 06:05.39 | Shaun2222 | and i think i can share them with another phone if i pay $10/month. |
| 06:05.44 | Shaun2222 | so thats not too bad.. |
| 06:05.45 | drmessano | But I will force people to use another number before I lay out another 50 or even 20 for more minutes |
| 06:06.14 | jblack | Shaun2222: Until the two people you're sharing them with use 1100 each. ;) |
| 06:06.28 | drmessano | Ive gotten better about not letting people idle on the line while I work on something remotely.. |
| 06:06.39 | Shaun2222 | jblack: so bump up to 6000 minutes for 200/month |
| 06:06.42 | Shaun2222 | not bad still |
| 06:06.45 | drmessano | LOL |
| 06:06.54 | drmessano | Yeah.. Still a $200 a month cell bill |
| 06:06.56 | Shaun2222 | whats a 100 bucks these days |
| 06:06.59 | Shaun2222 | nothing |
| 06:07.13 | jblack | Heh. If $100 means that little to you, then I'll happily take it off your hands. |
| 06:07.40 | jblack | That's nearly 5% of my monthly income |
| 06:08.17 | drmessano | I think theres some things you dont pay an ass of money for... |
| 06:08.22 | drmessano | Like a $200 cable bill |
| 06:08.25 | drmessano | Whatever |
| 06:08.54 | drmessano | I know a guy that pays over $250 for HD, sports, premium, etc |
| 06:08.55 | Shaun2222 | well 200/month for a phone for one person would suck... i'll give you that. |
| 06:09.37 | drmessano | Phone shouldnt cost anyway |
| 06:09.42 | drmessano | Isnt that why we're here? |
| 06:09.44 | drmessano | LOL |
| 06:10.01 | drmessano | Cheap calls, and stickin it to the man |
| 06:10.10 | jblack | Stickin it to the man rocks. |
| 06:10.12 | drmessano | SIP URI FTW |
| 06:10.54 | drmessano | "Whats your number?" "Um, call me SIP.. I dont like you enough to pay for an incoming call from you" |
| 06:10.59 | drmessano | Thats how it needs to be |
| 06:11.44 | drmessano | "If I wanted you to call me, id buy you a PAP2" |
| 06:13.46 | drmessano | Who was asking last night about the PSTN being paid? |
| 06:13.54 | drmessano | paid off |
| 06:15.24 | jblack | no idea |
| 06:15.31 | drmessano | Echo Echo Echo |
| 06:15.49 | drmessano | Id say the cellular network was paid off too |
| 06:15.56 | drmessano | Probably much faster |
| 06:15.59 | drmessano | and many times over |
| 06:15.59 | Condector | [TK]D-Fender, sorry the question, I lost the site with nat explanation.. |
| 06:16.02 | jblack | fwd goes down with disturbing regularity. |
| 06:16.21 | drmessano | FWD is horribly unreliable |
| 06:16.21 | [TK]D-Fender | ~sipnat |
| 06:16.22 | jbot | [~sipnat] Quick guide on configuring * + SIP behind NAT : http://www.aocomputing.net/?p=3 otherwise check the WIKI at http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+SIP+NAT+solutions |
| 06:16.31 | drmessano | and IAX is non-working |
| 06:16.42 | Condector | thanks! |
| 06:16.48 | jblack | Yeah. I spent a week deciding iax didn't work |
| 06:16.59 | drmessano | I had it working.. Then it stopped |
| 06:17.04 | drmessano | So I waited, set it up again |
| 06:17.07 | drmessano | Not working |
| 06:17.17 | denon | perhaps try using IAX2 then |
| 06:17.18 | denon | :) |
| 06:17.19 | drmessano | Found a slightly different trunk setting |
| 06:17.29 | drmessano | and tried it, and it worked |
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| 06:17.34 | drmessano | Yes, IAX2 |
| 06:17.34 | drmessano | lol |
| 06:17.39 | drmessano | So I left it that way |
| 06:17.45 | drmessano | and then it stopped working |
| 06:17.48 | jblack | I spent days going over the docs again and again. I just couldn't make it work over iax2. |
| 06:18.16 | drmessano | Sad thing is, I didnt document the original method, so ive no idea why it stopped |
| 06:18.21 | drmessano | or the difference |
| 06:18.36 | jblack | It's a shame. A free network is so enticing. |
| 06:19.36 | jblack | I guess it'll take Baby bells seriously pissing off a billionaire to get resolved. |
| 06:20.12 | Condector | [TK]D-Fender, now I can make calls to external phones.. but not work yet calls of outbound phones to my asterisk... another tutorial? |
| 06:20.37 | [TK]D-Fender | Condector, what is an OUTbound call to your * from? |
| 06:21.00 | drmessano | The big movement with VoIP in 2008 is going to be "Callme" type services |
| 06:21.09 | drmessano | Web based call buttons |
| 06:21.24 | denon | I thought that was 2004? |
| 06:21.29 | jblack | I don't know about that. |
| 06:21.29 | drmessano | Theres going to be dozens of them popping up.. mainly for placing calls on social networks |
| 06:21.33 | Condector | [TK]D-Fender, I make a call to my virtual number on Vono, and vono transfer to my asterisk, but not call my internal phone... |
| 06:21.39 | Condector | behind * |
| 06:21.39 | lucent | drmessano: as an alternative to (US) "800" numbers? |
| 06:21.54 | drmessano | No, as an alternative to things like Skype.. |
| 06:22.04 | [TK]D-Fender | Condector, well for that we'd have to see sip debug of the attempt |
| 06:22.14 | Condector | okz |
| 06:22.14 | drmessano | Flash based clients that one can embed on a myspace page or facebook profile |
| 06:22.21 | jblack | It's not going to take the 13 year olds too long to figure out that they can put in the home phone numbers of their friends, teachers, parents, NSA headquarters, etc. |
| 06:22.57 | denon | well, responsible sites would require a callback to that number |
| 06:22.59 | denon | to verify it |
| 06:23.03 | drmessano | yes |
| 06:23.06 | drmessano | Most of them do |
| 06:23.09 | denon | and you enter a code they give you in the gui |
| 06:23.27 | drmessano | But 2008 is going to be the year of the facebook Voip button |
| 06:23.34 | drmessano | Actually |
| 06:23.37 | drmessano | Knowing most people |
| 06:23.38 | jblack | So, you say callme, they call you and ask you to enter a pin |
| 06:23.43 | drmessano | The year of 7 or 8 of them on one page |
| 06:23.50 | drmessano | No |
| 06:23.50 | drmessano | Like |
| 06:24.05 | denon | yeah .. but that's not different than saying "Hey, call me, my number is 1-900-867-5309" |
| 06:24.38 | drmessano | I give the service a number to call me |
| 06:24.43 | drmessano | In the sign up page |
| 06:24.45 | denon | if someone's dumb enough to click whatever you give them, they'd be dumb enough to dial it too |
| 06:24.46 | jblack | So, knowing my ex-wife's phone number, what's to stop me from going to 200 of these sites and plugging in her cell phone number? That's my point |
| 06:24.47 | drmessano | They give me a button |
| 06:25.07 | drmessano | My buddy clicks the button and it makes a call using flash softphone to my cell, home, whatever |
| 06:25.19 | denon | ok, so perhaps you have to call them from that caller-id (ANI) first |
| 06:25.19 | drmessano | Yes, you need to confirm |
| 06:25.25 | denon | that'd at least slow down the 13yr olds |
| 06:25.28 | jblack | Oh, I see what you're saying flash based soft phones. |
| 06:25.30 | denon | from doing outbound confirm abuses |
| 06:25.43 | drmessano | Its a control-less softphone |
| 06:25.53 | drmessano | One button to call, pick up your headset and start talking to me |
| 06:26.04 | drmessano | and it calls my cell, SIP URI, etc |
| 06:26.07 | jblack | The only problem with that is that nobody has headsets. |
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| 06:26.29 | drmessano | Ehhh |
| 06:26.37 | drmessano | So what do they use? |
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| 06:26.40 | drmessano | No audio? |
| 06:26.49 | drmessano | lol |
| 06:26.55 | jblack | Probably typical $20 speakers. |
| 06:27.00 | drmessano | A LOT of people use Skype, Yahoo voice, etc |
| 06:27.07 | drmessano | Ok, youre splitting hairs |
| 06:27.15 | drmessano | Point is, they have a mic and speakers or a headset |
| 06:27.19 | jblack | Sorry, I don't mean to be. |
| 06:27.25 | denon | headsets aren't an issue .. everyone owns a bluetooth headset |
| 06:27.37 | drmessano | It doesnt HAVE to be a headset LOL |
| 06:27.38 | denon | once PCs all ship with bluetooth, it'll just be a matter of using that |
| 06:27.49 | denon | they'll have it on using their cell anyway |
| 06:27.53 | drmessano | anyway.. Its meant to be a clientless skype |
| 06:28.39 | jblack | I'll give a good example. My daughter has a large clan on runescape. Natureally, I thought "hey, I'll set up * for them, and give them a phone system". That went down in flames, because of the top 10 people in the clan, 2 have microphones. |
| 06:28.50 | drmessano | lol |
| 06:29.10 | jblack | I see about the same ratio in command & conquer too. |
| 06:29.12 | drmessano | I think thats a cross section that doesnt reflect the majority of users out there |
| 06:29.31 | drmessano | A lot of people are using PC to PC calling |
| 06:29.39 | drmessano | Hmm |
| 06:29.45 | drmessano | and actually |
| 06:29.46 | jblack | Sure! There's 100 million people using skype in the world. |
| 06:29.51 | drmessano | Those skype phones would work too |
| 06:30.00 | drmessano | Since they're just USB sound cards |
| 06:30.31 | drmessano | I dunno about 100 million.. and I dont think the skype number is the only important one |
| 06:30.45 | drmessano | MSN, Yahoo, MySpace IM has Skype built in too now |
| 06:30.45 | jblack | I'll be more inclined to agree with you one year after computer manufacturers ship microphones, in some form, standard. |
| 06:30.58 | drmessano | The last one I mentioned hasnt even been felt yet |
| 06:31.11 | drmessano | But MySpaceIM + Skype is going to be BIG |
| 06:31.23 | denon | let's hope not |
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| 06:31.28 | denon | the average consumer is dumb enough as it is |
| 06:31.33 | jblack | I agree, that's where things eventually end up. |
| 06:31.39 | jblack | I just don't think '08 is the year. |
| 06:31.41 | drmessano | What about all the laptops with built in mics? |
| 06:31.46 | ardor2 | D-Fender So I start the old server back up, and everything is working. |
| 06:31.48 | drmessano | jblack, its already happening |
| 06:31.49 | ardor2 | stupid VMware |
| 06:31.55 | denon | drmessano: lots of new laptops actually don't have mics |
| 06:31.57 | denon | which I found weird |
| 06:32.00 | denon | business laptops |
| 06:32.05 | drmessano | 3 new startups in 30 days making front page news |
| 06:32.16 | jblack | Yeah, I have five laptops in the house, and not one of 'em has a built in mic. |
| 06:32.17 | drmessano | Its well on its way |
| 06:32.22 | drmessano | Facebook driving it all |
| 06:32.31 | drmessano | Voip + Facebook is going to be a biggiue |
| 06:32.34 | drmessano | biggie |
| 06:32.47 | drmessano | "ZOMG, im calling you from your page" |
| 06:32.48 | drmessano | Yeah |
| 06:32.57 | jblack | Yeah. That'll happen. |
| 06:33.14 | drmessano | It already is lol |
| 06:33.16 | denon | I wish someone would just unplug the Internet before this all goes too far |
| 06:33.22 | jblack | But again, I maintain that it's not '08 when "everyone's doing it" |
| 06:33.38 | denon | or a pinch |
| 06:33.50 | denon | or one of those devices from Oceans 11/12/13 to shut the world down |
| 06:34.05 | jblack | Oh, the monster EMP? |
| 06:34.13 | denon | yeah, the pinch |
| 06:34.18 | drmessano | I'm willing to bet in 3 months, 1/3 of facebook users will have some sort of callme button |
| 06:34.21 | [TK]D-Fender | denon, Escape From Los Angeles :) |
| 06:34.24 | denon | or, in 13, the magnatron |
| 06:34.25 | jblack | So big, that they had to drive to the local college to pick up in a flatbed? |
| 06:34.34 | denon | nah, in a van |
| 06:34.39 | jblack | Oh yeah, a van. |
| 06:34.47 | denon | and wasn't the "local college" like berkely or somethin |
| 06:34.48 | denon | ? |
| 06:35.29 | jblack | Heh. Harvard is local, if you live in massachussets. |
| 06:35.31 | lucent | denon: what is the magnatron? |
| 06:35.51 | [TK]D-Fender | Alrighty... bed becons. |
| 06:35.53 | denon | the thing he uses to shut down the security system |
| 06:35.59 | [TK]D-Fender | later all |
| 06:35.59 | lucent | ha |
| 06:36.03 | jblack | sleep well. |
| 06:36.08 | lucent | there is an art project at Burning Man we call magnatron |
| 06:36.08 | denon | (in 13) |
| 06:36.24 | lucent | it is a magnetic sign board with a bucket of brightly coloured plastic letters and numbers |
| 06:36.32 | denon | sorry, magnetron |
| 06:36.38 | lucent | oh |
| 06:36.44 | denon | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetron |
| 06:36.44 | drmessano | TringMe, Grand Central, and Ribbit, and Skype will be the names to watch |
| 06:36.55 | denon | it's a microwave |
| 06:37.16 | drmessano | yeah |
| 06:37.55 | drmessano | Oh, and Flashphone |
| 06:37.57 | denon | what's entertaining, is that they build one into a tiny cell phone |
| 06:38.06 | denon | and I really don't see how they'd have room for any type of waveguide in there |
| 06:38.30 | lucent | denon: stick nano on the front of some word you would otherwise say |
| 06:39.33 | denon | yeah .. but .. |
| 06:39.46 | denon | directional radio waves need to be .. directionalized |
| 06:39.50 | denon | you can't do that on a chip |
| 06:40.25 | lucent | denon: nanodirectional antenna |
| 06:40.25 | drmessano | All you need is one radiating element |
| 06:40.27 | lucent | see? |
| 06:40.29 | lucent | works. |
| 06:41.18 | drmessano | An isotropic radiator at 10GHZ is the size of a snail dong |
| 06:41.58 | denon | eh, edison wouldn't have much time for you guys |
| 06:42.45 | denon | ah well, gotta run' |
| 06:42.47 | denon | audios |
| 06:42.53 | drmessano | cya |
| 06:43.18 | drmessano | I still say bell stole the idea for the phone from digium |
| 06:43.42 | drmessano | But implemented an archaic transmission system for it |
| 06:45.07 | drmessano | Another biggie for 2008.. Startups using words that end in -er, with the e missing |
| 06:45.16 | lucent | oh! I asked about polycom phones before - what of iax2 capable phones? |
| 06:46.17 | *** join/#asterisk squigly (n=bdeluca@203.117.161.222) |
| 06:46.57 | drmessano | Personally, I am not aware of any.. the IAXy ATA comes to mind |
| 06:48.50 | lucent | another quickie question, how is caller ID supposed to work, is it the "From: xyz@domain.com" ? |
| 06:49.10 | lucent | I was confused why someone mentioned "fromuser=" |
| 06:49.38 | *** join/#asterisk ZX81 (n=matt@data.venturevoip.com) |
| 06:49.52 | *** part/#asterisk ZX81 (n=matt@data.venturevoip.com) |
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| 06:50.40 | drmessano | You really should read the book.. I dont mean that to be mean, but it will bring a lot of this together for ya |
| 06:51.03 | drmessano | Even if you get up and going.. |
| 06:51.06 | drmessano | and its working |
| 06:51.21 | drmessano | You will make a change and break it all, not knowing what you did |
| 06:51.36 | lucent | that's where i'm at too, I want to learn some more and would probably read the book first before asking... if I had it next to me ;P |
| 06:51.46 | drmessano | Its vital to know WHY its working as much as it is to have it working |
| 06:51.51 | ZX81 | you can download it |
| 06:51.52 | lucent | ~book |
| 06:51.53 | jbot | Asterisk: The Future of Telephony 2nd Edition (ISBN 0-596-51048-9) --- Order yours at http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/9780596510480/ --- Free downloadable PDF http://downloads.oreilly.com/books/9780596510480.pdf --- HTML at http://tfot.leifmadsen.com |
| 06:51.53 | ZX81 | ~tfot |
| 06:51.54 | jbot | Asterisk: The Future of Telephony 2nd Edition (ISBN 0-596-51048-9) --- Order yours at http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/9780596510480/ --- Free downloadable PDF http://downloads.oreilly.com/books/9780596510480.pdf --- HTML at http://tfot.leifmadsen.com |
| 06:52.05 | ZX81 | :) |
| 06:52.37 | drmessano | Ive been pushing that on people I know using FreePBX too |
| 06:53.19 | drmessano | I cant tell people enough how much you need to know whats under the hood |
| 06:54.02 | drmessano | Trixbox.org is good example of setting up a GUI and being completely useless when the business calls back with a down system |
| 06:54.15 | *** join/#asterisk Maliuta (i=nikolai@119.11.105.100) |
| 06:54.16 | drmessano | Too much GUI hand holding |
| 06:54.45 | lucent | the 2.4 release of trixbox is less crappy |
| 06:54.52 | drmessano | Ehh |
| 06:54.54 | lucent | for home user situations it's okay I guess |
| 06:55.00 | drmessano | Its still trashbox |
| 06:55.05 | *** join/#asterisk dominic1 (n=dob@213.221.82.242) |
| 06:55.13 | lucent | I'm very uneasy with Fonality's handling of the security exploits |
| 06:55.19 | drmessano | Its a "My First PBX" or a good box for a casual user |
| 06:55.20 | drmessano | LOL |
| 06:55.24 | drmessano | Dont even get me started |
| 06:55.26 | lucent | nevermind that it's a toaster oven |
| 06:55.33 | drmessano | Of course, my name is all over that thread |
| 06:55.37 | lucent | haha |
| 06:55.38 | jblack | I was thinking about that earlier... |
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| 06:56.01 | lucent | okay so ... suggested 20 minute install for getting * going? |
| 06:56.06 | jblack | I'm not quite sure how to set up management for customers, so that they wouldn't have to call every time they want an extension |
| 06:56.07 | lucent | gui or no gui |
| 06:56.25 | drmessano | My stock question: who is the admin? |
| 06:56.54 | *** join/#asterisk scurb (n=scurb@c-13afe355.104-15-64736c13.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 06:57.02 | jblack | That's a hypothetical question mark for me. |
| 06:57.15 | drmessano | If you're building a box for a client, and they are NOT paying you to admin extensions and VM |
| 06:57.20 | drmessano | and WONT |
| 06:57.30 | drmessano | FreePBX, limited user account.. IMO |
| 06:57.37 | lucent | noted |
| 06:57.37 | jblack | Let's say... for fun, someone that admires people with A+ certifications. |
| 06:58.06 | drmessano | I cant speak about AsteriskNOW.. it may be just as viable |
| 06:58.15 | lucent | it's not out of beta |
| 06:58.27 | drmessano | Point is, if the receptionist is blowing out VM and renaming extensions, you need a GUI |
| 06:58.31 | lucent | no matter what I say to a client, they want to check things out for themselves |
| 06:58.36 | drmessano | If they pay you to do it, it doenst matter |
| 06:58.37 | lucent | about all they look for is "4.0" |
| 06:58.46 | lucent | well... it shouldn't, I agree |
| 06:59.09 | drmessano | Ok.. if you are 100% admin |
| 06:59.15 | drmessano | Sell them on Asterisk with no GUI |
| 06:59.19 | drmessano | Being stable and unbloated |
| 06:59.21 | lucent | hmm |
| 06:59.28 | jblack | If I'm 100% admin, I'd just ssh into server, and everyone's happy. |
| 06:59.32 | drmessano | Yes |
| 06:59.41 | drmessano | If they are going to admin it in house, GUI |
| 06:59.44 | lucent | that's akin to getting a PIX firewall maybe? how do I compare this in practical terms |
| 06:59.53 | drmessano | Its like a Cisco router |
| 07:00.00 | drmessano | "Its like a Cisco router" |
| 07:00.31 | jblack | But resetting voicemail passwords, setting up new mailboxes and such.. There's certain routine things for which coping directly would be an expensive(for them) bother(for me) |
| 07:00.53 | drmessano | Thats where you would GUI |
| 07:01.00 | drmessano | Give them FreePBX or the like |
| 07:01.24 | jblack | Is freepbx and the like polite to hand generated configuration? |
| 07:01.49 | drmessano | No.. theres SOME room to add things.. like for custom apps |
| 07:02.05 | drmessano | But theres a lot of lock-in with the app generating the config files |
| 07:02.23 | drmessano | I can ADD, but I cannot say edit a specific extensions properties via CLI |
| 07:02.54 | jblack | ouch, so you have to tunnel X over ssh to do it. |
| 07:02.59 | drmessano | No |
| 07:03.01 | drmessano | Web GUI |
| 07:03.14 | drmessano | Apache and PHP |
| 07:03.53 | *** join/#asterisk Cyon (n=cyon@216.179.31.170) |
| 07:04.03 | drmessano | Thats the tradeoff |
| 07:04.13 | jblack | How does it get along with dialplans? |
| 07:04.13 | drmessano | Like I said, it REALLY depends on who the admin is |
| 07:04.27 | drmessano | It creates all that in the GUI |
| 07:04.38 | drmessano | It does a LOT of the work |
| 07:05.09 | drmessano | The intention is to never edit a config file with it |
| 07:05.21 | Cyon | So yeah, I'm totally lost -- I've got my calls coming into my cisco gear over a PRI, the call hits asterisk, and for all appearances either DTMF works for doesn't haphazardly on the packet level... |
| 07:05.21 | drmessano | Thats not 100% realistic.. for nat, codecs |
| 07:05.43 | drmessano | and its really for small installs |
| 07:06.00 | drmessano | I think the target is under 100 users |
| 07:06.25 | jblack | Any dialplan maneuvering that a gui doesn't anticipate. I'd probably want to try and reserve that for myself, to avoid getting boxed in by something that can't parse what i can write. |
| 07:06.32 | Cyon | the cisco ccapi inout debug shows that it detected the dtmf coming through the PRI and is passing it on through dtmf-relay nse (rfc2833) when it works, asterisk picks up the DTMF perfectly, and rtp debug shows the packets coming in, being read, parsed as Dtmf etc. When it doesn't work, the packets don't even reach the server, tcpdump doesn't show the packets reaching the server... |
| 07:06.35 | lucent | say um, we want to trigger a police car siren light ("Mars" light) when my boss has voicemail |
| 07:06.45 | drmessano | lol |
| 07:06.51 | lucent | on a * setup versus a fpbx setup |
| 07:06.54 | lucent | suggestions? |
| 07:07.09 | jblack | better yet, scp out a copy of his voicemails, and a any monitor()s that have taken place. ;) |
| 07:07.09 | drmessano | If it works in *, it would work with FreePBX on top of it |
| 07:07.21 | drmessano | The trick to the GUIs |
| 07:07.22 | Cyon | And either a call works perfectly beginning to end, or it fails beginning to end. Only place I'm lost is making an access-list in the cisco to match the rtp packets that specifically have the dtmf payload; or how asterisk responds to them, in case a conversation has to happen and it isn't, and the cisco stops tryng... |
| 07:07.24 | drmessano | At least in this case |
| 07:07.33 | drmessano | IS that if its in the GUI, you cannot hand edit it |
| 07:07.40 | Cyon | And there is my queston, without asking if I can ask the queston -- anyone have a good idea of how to proceed with debugging this? |
| 07:08.09 | drmessano | Parking, Dialplans, trunks, Extensions.. whatever you add there belongs to the app.. You may ADD to config files that are ##includes |
| 07:08.12 | jblack | I'd be nervous about handing over dialplan management to most of the people I've had for clients in the past. |
| 07:08.32 | drmessano | Well, you wouldnt give them access in this case |
| 07:08.37 | drmessano | It has tiered admin |
| 07:08.44 | jblack | oh, hmmm. |
| 07:08.53 | *** join/#asterisk Tili (n=tili@cm48.gamma244.maxonline.com.sg) |
| 07:08.57 | drmessano | So you lock them down to the area they need |
| 07:09.03 | drmessano | Such as Extension admin only |
| 07:09.06 | drmessano | etc |
| 07:09.42 | lucent | yeah that's 90% of clients I deal with, none of them are too big for freepbx |
| 07:09.45 | *** join/#asterisk hmmhesays (n=Neg@24-119-176-74.cpe.cableone.net) |
| 07:10.04 | drmessano | But again |
| 07:10.14 | drmessano | With FreePBX you ARE adding a layer |
| 07:10.25 | drmessano | So if you are gonna admin, and want to hand edit |
| 07:10.29 | drmessano | GO with what you know |
| 07:10.46 | drmessano | I wouldnt use FreePBX as an excuse to not learn Asterisk |
| 07:10.54 | drmessano | To me, thats dangerous |
| 07:11.26 | Cyon | Any thoughts on my dtmf issue? |
| 07:11.41 | hmmhesays | yep admin with freepbx without knowing asterisk is dangerous |
| 07:11.46 | hmmhesays | with knowing asterisk, it is not so bad |
| 07:11.46 | jblack | I've spent a couple/three weeks on dialplans, configuration and such. I'm not looking to offload my thinking to a php app. |
| 07:12.12 | squigly | jblack, write your own app to add extentions |
| 07:12.33 | drmessano | Theres nothing that says you cant do just that |
| 07:12.38 | jblack | squigly: I was thinking about just that. |
| 07:12.49 | drmessano | Create an app that writes to extensions_yourapp.conf |
| 07:12.55 | drmessano | Make it an include |
| 07:13.02 | hmmhesays | or just add them on the cli dynamically |
| 07:13.07 | drmessano | and do all the user level extension management there |
| 07:13.20 | hmmhesays | can you add extensions with ami? |
| 07:13.28 | lucent | drmessano: thoughts on a small computer that can be used for asterisk in soho situations? |
| 07:13.43 | drmessano | Thats a loaded question.. How many users? |
| 07:13.47 | lucent | 10 |
| 07:13.48 | lucent | maybe |
| 07:13.55 | hmmhesays | p3 500 would get you by there lol |
| 07:13.59 | drmessano | true |
| 07:14.01 | drmessano | If |
| 07:14.04 | drmessano | "NEW" |
| 07:14.07 | drmessano | is required |
| 07:14.09 | lucent | ha, yeah but we don't have an unlimited supply of p3 500's |
| 07:14.14 | hmmhesays | ebay does |
| 07:14.15 | drmessano | any single core cheap box wil ldo |
| 07:14.18 | drmessano | any single core cheap box will do |
| 07:14.23 | hmmhesays | get one for 30 bucks |
| 07:14.26 | drmessano | $300 wal mart machines |
| 07:14.40 | lucent | anything uh... wrt54g sized? |
| 07:14.44 | drmessano | Yeah |
| 07:14.48 | drmessano | a WRT54G |
| 07:14.51 | drmessano | a WRT54G(L) |
| 07:14.53 | drmessano | lol |
| 07:14.57 | lucent | really? but what about voicemails |
| 07:14.58 | drmessano | They run asterisk |
| 07:15.05 | jblack | lucent: nfs mount? |
| 07:15.13 | jblack | You think a wrt54g has enough cpu? |
| 07:15.14 | drmessano | You can hack a CF card in |
| 07:15.15 | lucent | no no I mean with storage on the device |
| 07:15.16 | hmmhesays | you could run 10 phones on a wrt54g easily, make sure you don't handle media |
| 07:15.21 | drmessano | Yeah |
| 07:15.24 | drmessano | No transcoding |
| 07:15.38 | hmmhesays | lucent, get the one with the usb port |
| 07:15.47 | lucent | oh yeah that's an interesting idea |
| 07:15.47 | drmessano | WRT54GL |
| 07:15.49 | hmmhesays | I used to use one of those, and a usb mass storage driver |
| 07:16.00 | lucent | hmmhesays: how'd it work with asterisK? |
| 07:16.04 | hmmhesays | worked fine |
| 07:16.19 | drmessano | Theres lots of little mini PCs you can use for Asterisk |
| 07:16.24 | drmessano | $200 boxes |
| 07:16.27 | hmmhesays | I used that usb port for a lot of different stuff, mass storage, chan_oss |
| 07:16.34 | hmmhesays | it was pretty sweet actually |
| 07:16.45 | drmessano | Wal Mart PCs make great boxes for startups |
| 07:16.51 | drmessano | Buy one as you get jobs |
| 07:16.54 | lucent | drmessano: noted. hmm |
| 07:17.14 | lucent | the other thought was a little more high-end, it was the MSI Media Live |
| 07:17.24 | drmessano | Overkill |
| 07:17.36 | hmmhesays | I usually use cheapo visionman servers for cheapo setups |
| 07:17.38 | drmessano | A new PC is overkill really.. but youre investing in something NEW.. |
| 07:17.39 | jblack | Go get yourself a hp ipaq, and put * on there. ;) |
| 07:17.56 | hmmhesays | yeah you can pick those up for about 50 bucks on ebay now |
| 07:17.57 | drmessano | Thats like buying a 160GB HD for asterisk |
| 07:18.00 | jblack | "Is that a phone system in your pocket, or are you happy to see me?" |
| 07:18.01 | drmessano | 160GB is NEW |
| 07:18.03 | drmessano | But OVERKILL |
| 07:18.28 | jblack | well, hold up a sec. |
| 07:18.42 | jblack | That kind of depends upon whether or not the box is dedicated, from what I can tell. |
| 07:18.46 | lucent | funny, guys. Really, I meant to ask if there's something I could purchase today, and 1 year from now, purchase the same thing |
| 07:19.08 | lucent | the routers are interesting and I don't know if they will be around long enough |
| 07:19.16 | jblack | Asterisk in and of itself does well, but it does seem easily starveable when it shares a cpu with something hoggy. |
| 07:19.16 | lucent | normal PCs we could maintain if needed |
| 07:19.18 | lucent | that's not bad |
| 07:19.33 | hmmhesays | lucent, there will always be routers that run the opeWRT firmware |
| 07:19.41 | hmmhesays | *openWRT even |
| 07:19.46 | jblack | which is sensible considering all the timing going on... |
| 07:19.58 | hmmhesays | its a basic mipsel firmware |
| 07:20.06 | hmmhesays | but a mini pc is obviously a better choice |
| 07:20.12 | lucent | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:20.36 | lucent | boss says it's stupid if there's no GUI he can use in case I quit... that's my biggest challenge |
| 07:20.46 | lucent | "WHY DO WE NEED THIS there is no GUI!" |
| 07:21.05 | hmmhesays | install asterisk-gui |
| 07:21.07 | *** join/#asterisk oej (n=olle@soll4-125.cust.blixtvik.net) |
| 07:21.10 | lucent | ha yeah |
| 07:21.10 | drmessano | WRT54GLs will be out for a while |
| 07:21.12 | hmmhesays | let him fsck with that |
| 07:21.14 | drmessano | But |
| 07:21.15 | jblack | heh. install a new boss. |
| 07:21.22 | lucent | the GLs do USB? |
| 07:21.26 | drmessano | Yeah |
| 07:21.29 | lucent | jblack: lol |
| 07:21.42 | lucent | how... I haven't seen any WRT54GL units with USB |
| 07:21.42 | drmessano | So get a 300 Wal Mart PC |
| 07:21.44 | lucent | what did I miss |
| 07:21.46 | drmessano | Put FreePBX on it |
| 07:21.52 | drmessano | Its inside |
| 07:22.02 | drmessano | Like the serial port |
| 07:22.07 | lucent | oh that's crazy |
| 07:22.09 | drmessano | and CF pins |
| 07:22.21 | drmessano | Theres all sorts of solder pads for adding stuff |
| 07:22.24 | hmmhesays | wrtsl54gs I think it is with the usb port |
| 07:22.36 | lucent | no transcoding though hmm |
| 07:22.51 | drmessano | If you get a REAL PC, you can fix it |
| 07:22.54 | lucent | thanks for entertaining my inqueries |
| 07:22.56 | lucent | yeah |
| 07:23.03 | drmessano | thats key too |
| 07:23.11 | drmessano | My former boss had a problem with a PC for a PBX |
| 07:23.15 | *** join/#asterisk Kumbang (n=dsp@rusnas.paume.ITB.ac.id) |
| 07:23.25 | drmessano | But they installed me as an upgrade |
| 07:23.28 | hmmhesays | http://www.amazon.com/Linksys-WRTSL54GS-Wireless-G-Storage-Speedbooster/dp/B000E5E868 |
| 07:23.53 | hmmhesays | I have one of those around here somewhere |
| 07:23.53 | lucent | thanks hmmhesays |
| 07:24.04 | drmessano | Im assuming Open Source FW.. |
| 07:24.05 | hmmhesays | thats the one I did all the usb stuff with |
| 07:24.08 | drmessano | Ok |
| 07:24.36 | tessier | drmessano: Nowadays most PBX's are PC's anyhow |
| 07:24.45 | hmmhesays | in prettier cases |
| 07:24.49 | drmessano | I know |
| 07:24.56 | drmessano | Again, my FORMER boss lol |
| 07:25.05 | drmessano | Most dinosaurs dont get that |
| 07:25.11 | drmessano | "I want a toaster" |
| 07:25.19 | drmessano | So buy em a toaster.. from wal mart |
| 07:25.29 | drmessano | $8.. |
| 07:25.31 | hmmhesays | Most people want basic key system functionality with sla |
| 07:25.32 | drmessano | Then buy a PBX |
| 07:25.38 | drmessano | Yes |
| 07:25.45 | drmessano | SLA.. jeez |
| 07:25.55 | lucent | http://www.dataevolution.com/dectop%20info%202.htm |
| 07:26.01 | drmessano | AH |
| 07:26.04 | drmessano | THATS it |
| 07:26.06 | tessier | I too skip trixbox and freepbx etc and just hand code the config files |
| 07:26.07 | hmmhesays | hey, its stupid and easy for a secretary to use the phone |
| 07:26.15 | jblack | This sounds like "I want a machine for asterisk, I just don't want to pay for it" to me. |
| 07:26.19 | hmmhesays | I understand why most users want that functionality |
| 07:26.40 | hmmhesays | thank god polycom's have decent presence support |
| 07:26.54 | drmessano | Its a matter of employing smarter people |
| 07:26.55 | hmmhesays | I wouldn't be doing business without |
| 07:27.00 | drmessano | Having higher standards |
| 07:27.24 | hmmhesays | I don't think so, basic presence support is nice |
| 07:27.34 | jblack | tessier: Sure, that works great if you have a desk at the company, without some pesky firewall in the way. ;) |
| 07:27.45 | drmessano | You know how I got a brand new dual core $1800 laptop last year? |
| 07:27.46 | lucent | jblack: it's a little of that, visual appearance is important to SOHO business owners we cater to |
| 07:27.49 | drmessano | Stupid coworkers |
| 07:28.07 | drmessano | Needing to boot in time to remote in and fix problems because the operators on duty cant |
| 07:28.07 | jblack | lucent: Black spraypaint is around $4.00 at walmart |
| 07:28.12 | lucent | ;) |
| 07:28.13 | hmmhesays | You can't go into a business and try and sell them they idea of a new pbx that doesn't even have the basic functionality of their key system |
| 07:28.53 | jblack | epoxy is over a couple aisles over. You can even put gofaster bumps on a box. ;D |
| 07:29.01 | drmessano | LOL |
| 07:29.45 | jblack | maybe you could get some flames stickers? They'll know it's REAL powerful then. |
| 07:29.51 | drmessano | You can find a rackmount case to showhorn a Dectop into |
| 07:29.54 | hmmhesays | lights are good |
| 07:29.57 | drmessano | shoehorn |
| 07:29.59 | lucent | business owners say "why doesn't this look nice like my dell computers" |
| 07:30.09 | lucent | I don't know, it's going in a closet anyways |
| 07:30.19 | lucent | "let's wait until there is a nicer looking one" |
| 07:30.23 | drmessano | Lucent |
| 07:30.27 | jblack | And while you're at it, if you go solid state, don't forget to put a bottlecap opener on the side. |
| 07:30.27 | drmessano | Can you solder? |
| 07:30.31 | lucent | yeah |
| 07:30.35 | drmessano | Ok, good |
| 07:30.41 | lucent | shiny and tight |
| 07:31.07 | drmessano | Get some 5 1/2 hard drive rails with the black faceplate |
| 07:31.11 | lucent | jblack: sorry, is that a joke or is there something called a bottlecap opener? |
| 07:31.16 | drmessano | The drive bay adapters |
| 07:31.20 | drmessano | Drill them out |
| 07:31.30 | hmmhesays | i'm going to watch an episode of battlestar galactica soon |
| 07:31.33 | lucent | hm, okay |
| 07:31.34 | jblack | lucent: I mean a bottlecap opener, such as you'd find in housewares. Sell it as a multipurpose device. |
| 07:31.36 | hmmhesays | or maybe earth final conflict |
| 07:31.41 | drmessano | Put some LEDs on them and a molex for the 12v side of the PS |
| 07:31.50 | drmessano | and have them for new PBX installs |
| 07:31.58 | lucent | ha |
| 07:32.02 | drmessano | Buy a PC, drop a lucent-lightbox in |
| 07:32.07 | drmessano | Bam, flashing LEDs |
| 07:32.09 | drmessano | Doing stuff |
| 07:32.18 | hmmhesays | don't forget to solder on a bat signal button and a self destruct button |
| 07:32.26 | jblack | Hell. Put a 4" fan on the top, so that they can hear it through the wall. |
| 07:32.33 | drmessano | Solder on a RAM flush button |
| 07:32.44 | drmessano | So they can flush the RAM every so often without you |
| 07:32.51 | drmessano | Give them something to admin |
| 07:32.57 | jblack | Oh, oh. I know. Get a big red button, and paint "EASY" on it. |
| 07:33.19 | drmessano | HA.. Put a red pushbutton on it.. Tied to the LEDs |
| 07:33.26 | drmessano | RAM flush.. as I said |
| 07:33.38 | drmessano | When they push it, it stops the LEDs |
| 07:33.41 | jblack | Yeah, trick that sucker out. Put in hydralic jacks. |
| 07:33.43 | drmessano | Momentary |
| 07:33.56 | drmessano | So they think they reset something |
| 07:34.21 | lucent | an LCD display is not a bad idea |
| 07:34.26 | lucent | I know you are joking around |
| 07:34.40 | jblack | Heh. Hook it up to the rpm of the 4" fan, so they thin it's turbo boost! |
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| 07:34.55 | drmessano | I had an app that was misbehaving.. So I gave them an icon to click to clear the "temp files" |
| 07:35.08 | drmessano | They would shut down the app, "clear the temp files" |
| 07:35.10 | drmessano | and restart it |
| 07:35.16 | drmessano | Best damn app I ever wrote |
| 07:35.17 | lucent | drmessano: placebo? |
| 07:35.33 | drmessano | Batch file filled with "echo Clearning Temp Files...." |
| 07:35.38 | drmessano | -n |
| 07:35.44 | drmessano | Yeah |
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| 07:35.51 | drmessano | People are dumb.. |
| 07:36.12 | drmessano | Give them LCDs with "Asterisk PBX" on them |
| 07:36.13 | jblack | OHHHH! |
| 07:36.45 | jblack | Buy some $15 cheap radio with an ipod hookup. Rip that out, and put it in your wrt54g, and use the ipod for musiconhold. ;) |
| 07:37.08 | lucent | that's not a bad idea, even if it is silly |
| 07:37.16 | lucent | it's something I could sell |
| 07:37.23 | lucent | (nevermind how silly) |
| 07:37.44 | jblack | well sure it's a good idea. people will buy anything that an ipod can be plugged into. |
| 07:37.48 | lucent | right! |
| 07:38.14 | drmessano | LOL |
| 07:38.20 | lucent | the M10000 boards are decent for '*' ya? |
| 07:38.20 | drmessano | Im so taking notes.. thats brilliant |
| 07:38.41 | drmessano | Friggin iPod hookup for MOH |
| 07:38.45 | drmessano | I love it |
| 07:38.52 | jblack | Yah, that's not half bad. |
| 07:39.23 | lucent | drmessano: if it gets to the point where you have a PBX in every home with some consumer device which accepts easy configuration of extensions and ATAs... yeah it could very well get there where some kid has an apartment and wants their on hold music to sync with iTunes |
| 07:40.01 | lucent | half of the equation would be an agreement with an ISP to install the device in each customer's home |
| 07:40.09 | lucent | it could actually happen. |
| 07:40.12 | jblack | It happened with wireless routers. I don't see why that wouldn't get built in eventually. |
| 07:40.16 | drmessano | I dont think it even needs to get to that point.. I think you could sell an MP3 player hookup "feature" on a PBX for MOH |
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| 07:40.29 | lucent | true |
| 07:40.42 | lucent | 'MP3' has marketability now |
| 07:40.44 | drmessano | Here is what you can do.. |
| 07:41.06 | drmessano | Get a board with a front headphone jack |
| 07:41.08 | jblack | if one of you two gets rich off it, pay off my house. |
| 07:41.21 | drmessano | Err |
| 07:41.29 | lucent | jblack: only if I can pick your home MoH playlist |
| 07:41.33 | drmessano | No, becuase youd need the windows app to reconfig it |
| 07:41.43 | drmessano | MIC jack would be fine, just lower the level |
| 07:42.06 | jblack | Right now, I'm using cake. |
| 07:42.08 | drmessano | Heck |
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| 07:42.15 | drmessano | Good stuff |
| 07:42.24 | jblack | I'd rather insane clown posse, but there's the outside chance that someday, someone might call. |
| 07:42.39 | drmessano | Run a small cable through the back of the case from the line in |
| 07:43.00 | lucent | "How many times do you call my !@@$$@% house and ask that I vote for you? Now what the * does that do?" |
| 07:43.01 | jblack | bring convergeance to a whole new level. |
| 07:43.01 | drmessano | and mount a 1/8 inch MOH jack on the front in a 5 1/2 blank |
| 07:43.16 | jblack | "Look. I have a wireless routing phonesystem that tivos from the cable company" |
| 07:43.24 | drmessano | Label it "MP3 MOH Input" |
| 07:43.26 | jblack | That TAKES MY IPOD!!!! |
| 07:43.43 | drmessano | haha |
| 07:43.54 | lucent | it's really not a bad idea |
| 07:44.00 | jblack | nah. A line in just wouldn't work. You need to be able to drop the ipod in, and have it sync stuff off. |
| 07:44.02 | lucent | some hotels already pay for commercial free music |
| 07:44.08 | lucent | why not use it for MoH |
| 07:44.11 | drmessano | As ive said.. PBX/Router/Wireless box is the future... |
| 07:44.20 | jblack | lucent: Licensing is why. |
| 07:44.28 | lucent | oh |
| 07:44.29 | drmessano | If they pay for background.. |
| 07:44.31 | drmessano | They're fine |
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| 07:44.45 | lucent | for an elevator in example |
| 07:44.59 | lucent | you're saying it's licensed differently for a telephone system? |
| 07:45.02 | drmessano | If they pay for muzak, they would be fine with a PBX MOH |
| 07:45.05 | jblack | some day, I want a job where I can just sit and hang out, and get paid to blurt out good ideas while I screw off. |
| 07:45.21 | lucent | jblack: google.com |
| 07:45.21 | drmessano | lol |
| 07:45.28 | jblack | heck. I've already got all of that, but the job part. |
| 07:45.50 | drmessano | The rub is where people havent paid for anything.. or are using Radio for MOH |
| 07:45.59 | lucent | ohh |
| 07:46.04 | lucent | that I can see, yes |
| 07:46.04 | drmessano | But if they have muzak, etc.. they can pipe it into the PBX |
| 07:46.15 | drmessano | In most cases |
| 07:46.39 | drmessano | But see |
| 07:46.43 | drmessano | If they BUY MOH |
| 07:46.53 | drmessano | an MP3 player is an easy way to pipe that in |
| 07:46.59 | drmessano | Like, on CD |
| 07:47.09 | drmessano | They could change it out seasonally |
| 07:47.13 | jblack | Buying a cd doesn't give you right to perform. |
| 07:47.16 | drmessano | Let someone in house do it |
| 07:47.20 | drmessano | No |
| 07:47.24 | drmessano | If they buy MOH on CD |
| 07:47.39 | jblack | Then yeah, fair use probably dictates you can rip it. |
| 07:48.10 | drmessano | I wouldnt see why not |
| 07:48.13 | drmessano | Its bought for MOH |
| 07:48.55 | jblack | What's really needed, is VOH. |
| 07:48.58 | jblack | video on hold. |
| 07:48.59 | drmessano | But they could change out as needed |
| 07:49.05 | fujin | ? |
| 07:49.05 | jblack | Yank youtube videos. |
| 07:49.06 | lucent | 1 year of 10 users' voice mail... 1M? 10M? 50M? 100M? more? |
| 07:49.07 | drmessano | Using an MP3 player |
| 07:49.10 | drmessano | Not mess with a PBX |
| 07:49.48 | drmessano | Christmas, they swap the music in the player |
| 07:49.48 | drmessano | etc |
| 07:49.52 | jblack | you could probably automate that, thanks to .... |
| 07:50.00 | drmessano | I know CD players are common for that, but they could rotate out a lot more music |
| 07:50.02 | jblack | oh, what is that thing that identifies cds during ripping. |
| 07:50.17 | drmessano | Theres a CRC check |
| 07:50.18 | jblack | Just play all the songs that mention christmas during christmas. |
| 07:50.41 | jblack | Yeah, I'm not referring to the summing, but the site that performs the lookup. The name is escaping me. |
| 07:50.42 | drmessano | Sure, but if I buy new MOH |
| 07:50.51 | drmessano | I need to call someone to install it... bleh |
| 07:50.54 | hmmhesays | cddb ? |
| 07:50.58 | drmessano | yeah |
| 07:50.58 | jblack | Anyways, it'll be ripped and categorized. Auto-seasonal. |
| 07:51.03 | jblack | yeah, ddb |
| 07:51.04 | jblack | cddb |
| 07:51.21 | drmessano | MOH wont show up on CDDB anyway |
| 07:51.30 | hmmhesays | ok time to crack a beer and watch earth final conflict, later all |
| 07:51.32 | drmessano | I doubt MOH CDs have made it there |
| 07:51.44 | drmessano | Even though some odd crap has |
| 07:51.48 | drmessano | Like Karaoke |
| 07:51.48 | jblack | sure it would, just as soon as people had a reason to rip moh cds. :) |
| 07:52.09 | drmessano | lol |
| 07:52.13 | lucent | jblack: musicbrainz.org |
| 07:52.33 | drmessano | At the very least, an MOH-IN jack on the front looks nice |
| 07:52.56 | lucent | cddb is based on the length of tracks in seconds, the quantity of tracks, and the index of the first / last tracks |
| 07:53.02 | jblack | Smart would be to provide voip based moh service. |
| 07:53.26 | jblack | sign up for the service, and your system is piped 2-3 songs a day, that get cycled out over time. |
| 07:53.58 | jblack | I bet there's artists out there that would be willing to provide content for free, just for the exposure |
| 07:54.37 | drmessano | Yeah |
| 07:54.41 | drmessano | That would be slick |
| 07:54.55 | drmessano | Or hell, do a shoutcast stream |
| 07:55.03 | jblack | That would get bandwidth intensive. |
| 07:55.07 | drmessano | Setting up streaming MOH isnt hard |
| 07:55.09 | drmessano | Nah |
| 07:55.12 | drmessano | 32k mono |
| 07:55.49 | jblack | If you just pipe and store a couple songs a day, you're at ... 5 megs a day per customer, or 150 megs a month. |
| 07:56.17 | drmessano | Streaming they have LIVE MOH |
| 07:56.18 | jblack | That would cost just a couple bucks. round it up to ten, get a few ten thousands of customers, and you're rolling in cash. |
| 07:56.31 | drmessano | Actually |
| 07:56.42 | drmessano | I would bet you could go lower than 32k |
| 07:56.50 | drmessano | Maybe 24k |
| 07:56.56 | lucent | 16k sounds like cheese |
| 07:56.59 | jblack | If you limit yourself to phone systems. |
| 07:57.12 | lucent | unless you're listening to a SID tune |
| 07:57.13 | drmessano | That would be the niche |
| 07:57.45 | jblack | Well, how much is a 16k stream, in kbytes/sec ? |
| 07:57.48 | jblack | perhaps 2-3? |
| 07:58.09 | drmessano | Background music from satellite is too cheap for most places to pass up that are willing to spend money |
| 07:58.19 | drmessano | Then you would have those paying less for MOH for the PBX |
| 07:58.33 | drmessano | Followed by the ones stealing local radio |
| 07:58.41 | jblack | Well, here's the thing. Stream over tcp/ip, and a 1.6 kilobyte stream works out to 4 gigs a month in data. |
| 07:58.42 | drmessano | So the middle niche is what you want for this |
| 07:59.02 | jblack | THat's why I think store and forward would work better. cuts the bandwidth down to nothing. |
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| 07:59.25 | drmessano | Who cares about bandwith? Their users are doing 100x that on YouTube? |
| 07:59.46 | jblack | companies that don't mind dedicating a dialup at night? |
| 07:59.47 | drmessano | 4GB a month is nothing |
| 07:59.57 | jblack | It's probably not too much to them. |
| 08:00.11 | jblack | But what's 4 gigs a month times 100k customers? |
| 08:00.24 | jblack | That would get expensive |
| 08:00.28 | drmessano | If you have that many customers, you can afford to scale up |
| 08:00.36 | drmessano | Since they're paying |
| 08:00.48 | jblack | heh. we're bickering over hypotheticals. |
| 08:01.16 | drmessano | Well, thats like saying "OMG, our paying customers are killing our bandwidth.. take down the website!" |
| 08:01.17 | drmessano | lol |
| 08:01.38 | jblack | My point is... why transmit the same song 30 times over a month, when you can do it once in a month? |
| 08:01.39 | drmessano | I want to have a high bill for bandwidth I can afford to pay |
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| 08:01.57 | jblack | Why not make the same amount of money, for a fraction of the cost? |
| 08:02.10 | jblack | The less it costs you, the less you have to charge, and the more customers you can get. |
| 08:02.11 | drmessano | A live stream is more flexible |
| 08:02.33 | drmessano | 24 hours of music a day.. and every one can be different if I want |
| 08:02.42 | jblack | More flexible in some, less flexible in others. |
| 08:03.01 | jblack | For example, your stream would be susceptible to heavy network load and backhoes. |
| 08:03.38 | jblack | People might barely notice background music, but they notice when it's not there, and really notice if it's stuttering. |
| 08:04.16 | drmessano | I agree.. but then again, if you're running a business.. you spend money not to suck |
| 08:04.17 | drmessano | lol |
| 08:04.47 | jblack | So, let's say we compete. |
| 08:04.59 | drmessano | Heres my problem |
| 08:05.02 | jblack | You offer a live stream, which means you can do some neat things on the fly, like play special things at special times. |
| 08:05.09 | drmessano | I am now adminning every customer of mine |
| 08:05.26 | drmessano | Because I have to ensure EVERY one of them has the same user experience |
| 08:05.34 | drmessano | That the music rotates |
| 08:05.42 | drmessano | and that it downloaded properly |
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| 08:06.00 | drmessano | That on the day after turkey day they have all the xmas music |
| 08:06.07 | drmessano | and its playing |
| 08:06.29 | drmessano | So my customer support costs are going to be high |
| 08:06.44 | drmessano | Because I now have to admin your system in that regard |
| 08:06.55 | drmessano | and maintain the app that rotates the music |
| 08:07.03 | drmessano | Ensure it works with every new Asterisk version |
| 08:07.20 | jblack | These aren't difficult programmic challenges. ;) |
| 08:07.23 | drmessano | Fix it when someone at digium makes a change that breaks it (ok, maybe never) |
| 08:08.03 | drmessano | You can program 100% guaranteed delivery? |
| 08:08.57 | drmessano | Sure.. redownloads, reloading remotely, etc wouldnt be a problem |
| 08:09.07 | drmessano | But theres always the cron job that randomly doesnt work |
| 08:09.11 | drmessano | etc |
| 08:09.31 | jblack | I'm imagining a program that downloads and plays, perhaps to a socket. |
| 08:09.52 | jblack | well, a special device node, anyways, which * would read as if from /dev/dsp |
| 08:10.28 | jblack | That binary does all the work. Pulling in music, deciding what is appropriate to play. To anything else on the system, it's just a stream |
| 08:11.33 | drmessano | XML config that matches local songs and downloades/deletes as needed |
| 08:11.56 | jblack | yup |
| 08:12.09 | jblack | so we're both streaming. The question is "what machine is doing the streaming" |
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| 08:12.42 | drmessano | My concern is the box having to run an app and "do stuff" |
| 08:12.45 | drmessano | Well |
| 08:12.52 | drmessano | More than just play a stream |
| 08:13.13 | drmessano | Let me put it this way |
| 08:13.17 | drmessano | In my years in radio |
| 08:13.21 | drmessano | Ive seen a LOT |
| 08:13.27 | jblack | w're not talking much load here. Downloading (which would happen with a remote stream), sorting small lists... |
| 08:13.34 | drmessano | LOT of boxes used for audio distribution |
| 08:13.35 | drmessano | and actually |
| 08:13.48 | drmessano | A lot like we're talking about used for distributing commercials |
| 08:14.04 | drmessano | Checking XMLs or conf files vs local audio, requesting as needed, etc |
| 08:14.16 | drmessano | and even the best of them worked maybe 90% of the time |
| 08:14.37 | drmessano | and the problems were random |
| 08:14.47 | drmessano | Nothing specifically flawed in the process |
| 08:14.51 | drmessano | Just computers being computers |
| 08:14.59 | jblack | well, I'll have to bow to your superior experience on that one, then. |
| 08:15.05 | drmessano | Expected to do silly things like rotate out audio, etc |
| 08:15.18 | drmessano | Im just skeptical |
| 08:15.19 | jblack | I can't beat "been there, done that" |
| 08:15.28 | drmessano | lol |
| 08:15.37 | drmessano | Im not saying you couldnt do better.. you probably could |
| 08:16.05 | drmessano | But all that rotating out audio, checking audio in and out.. Just.. |
| 08:16.37 | jblack | Well, I do kinda see your point... case in point, watching out for the filesystem from filling up. |
| 08:17.01 | drmessano | few packets get lost and I get a partial download.. |
| 08:17.08 | jblack | The edge cases look pretty simple, but there's probably a few million of them. |
| 08:17.09 | drmessano | So I have the song, but it crashes the player |
| 08:17.15 | jblack | tcp? |
| 08:17.37 | drmessano | Ok, download stops.. |
| 08:17.50 | drmessano | Forget a nice UDP process thats flawed |
| 08:17.52 | jblack | Download stops for any of a million reasons. There's still music to play, at least. |
| 08:17.53 | drmessano | lol |
| 08:18.12 | drmessano | I get a partial song, and it decides to crash the player, or some crap |
| 08:18.37 | drmessano | Hmm |
| 08:18.46 | drmessano | I wouldnt pull the audio directly |
| 08:18.47 | jblack | I can detect a partial song easily, by sending a size or a md5sum.... but that's not to disagree with you. |
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| 08:18.53 | drmessano | right |
| 08:19.06 | jblack | the edge cases are simple, but I agree. There's a million of them |
| 08:19.09 | drmessano | It could work |
| 08:19.12 | drmessano | But yeah |
| 08:19.23 | drmessano | You would need to compensate for a lot of scenarios |
| 08:19.30 | jblack | And they'd be most inclined to happen at 12:30 at night, three days before thanksgiving. |
| 08:19.34 | drmessano | So if you did it, you would need a lot of error checking and scenario handling |
| 08:19.40 | drmessano | yeah |
| 08:20.08 | drmessano | Actually, I think your idea is better if it worked at 99.99999% |
| 08:20.13 | drmessano | or even 98% |
| 08:20.22 | jblack | I think it's less gymnastics than * has to go through to handle a single sip call, imho |
| 08:20.31 | drmessano | Thats true |
| 08:20.53 | drmessano | I dont think its a matter of the box handling it.. just needing good, well written code with lots of error checking |
| 08:21.08 | jblack | What production level code doesn't need that? |
| 08:21.27 | drmessano | All of it needs that.. a lot of it lacks it |
| 08:21.27 | jblack | at least that doesn't come out of redmond. :| |
| 08:21.41 | drmessano | I shouldnt need to wait for 3.0 of any app for it to WORK |
| 08:21.51 | jblack | I absolutely agree. |
| 08:21.54 | drmessano | But lately thats not the case with a lot of things |
| 08:22.07 | jblack | That there's a shitload of visual basic coders out there, I can't solve that. |
| 08:22.12 | jblack | I'm just careful myself. |
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| 08:22.17 | drmessano | .8 is a beta, .9 is a beta, 1.0 is a beta, 1.2 is a beta |
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| 08:22.54 | jblack | yeah, I definitely agree. I wouldn't be surprised if a survey held developers in lower esteem than lawyers |
| 08:23.02 | drmessano | lol |
| 08:23.08 | drmessano | Thats profound |
| 08:23.12 | drmessano | I never thought of that |
| 08:23.15 | jblack | one bad apple can spoil the barrel, and we've got a lot of bad apples. |
| 08:23.31 | drmessano | But wow.. id probably trust a lawyer more than a lot of coders out there |
| 08:24.15 | drmessano | Just because its open source or free doesn't mean it has to be crappy |
| 08:24.32 | drmessano | Of course |
| 08:24.35 | drmessano | Payware is worse |
| 08:24.38 | drmessano | When it sucks |
| 08:24.44 | drmessano | because you actually paid for it |
| 08:24.44 | jblack | well, in all fairness, an awkward clause isn't going to cause a document to fall apart (though I suppose it can allow for the legal equivilant of a buffer overflow!) |
| 08:24.52 | drmessano | lol |
| 08:25.19 | drmessano | A friend of mine likes to joke about Wine never hitting 1.0 |
| 08:25.25 | drmessano | Well, if its not 1.0, then its not 1.0 |
| 08:25.28 | drmessano | Dont rush them lol |
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| 08:25.44 | drmessano | How many apps go from Alpha 0.0.1 to 1.1 in 3 days |
| 08:26.12 | drmessano | It didnt just get WAY better |
| 08:27.24 | drmessano | 1.0 needs to mean.. "Every feature works and is bugfree to the best of my knowledge and abilities", where 1.1 is bugfixes, tweaks, minor features, etc |
| 08:27.46 | drmessano | Then 2.0 is "Here is more stuff, bugfixes, etc" |
| 08:28.02 | drmessano | Not "1.0 was awful.. and I knew it try this" |
| 08:28.11 | drmessano | Not "1.0 was awful.. and I knew it, try this it may be better" |
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| 08:28.12 | drmessano | There |
| 08:28.57 | jblack | I think wine is an exception, becuase they're chasing a moving target. |
| 08:29.19 | drmessano | True |
| 08:29.27 | drmessano | But I respect them not being at 7.0 |
| 08:29.38 | jblack | But yeah, software written with a hardware mindset, is a thing of the past. |
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| 08:30.04 | mhiku | does asterisk have windows version? |
| 08:30.07 | jblack | Hell. These days, hardware isn't being written with a hardware mindset either. |
| 08:30.08 | drmessano | lol |
| 08:30.09 | mhiku | what softphone can i use? |
| 08:30.33 | jblack | mhiku: Yes, but to be brutally honest, you may not have the skillset to implement it without a lot of work. |
| 08:30.48 | jblack | You can try x-lite and voiper. Both are no cost sip clients. |
| 08:31.49 | drmessano | Its like the MS Office 2003 SP3 deal.. Its funny that they have to remove support for older versions so they can deprecate that old buggy code.. but at the same time, I respect that |
| 08:32.05 | drmessano | You wont find a lot of that anymore |
| 08:32.18 | jblack | i haven't been watchign that much. I have the impression that they're wavering on that point, that it was a mistake. |
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| 08:32.36 | drmessano | Customers are complaining |
| 08:32.41 | drmessano | But |
| 08:32.49 | drmessano | If I were a customer |
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| 08:32.59 | drmessano | Id use the engine in something like OO to open it |
| 08:33.03 | drmessano | Which is safer |
| 08:33.17 | drmessano | Its obvious the handlers for those old docs are unsafe |
| 08:33.20 | jblack | Heh. So, as a microsoft engineer, you'd recommend a competing product? |
| 08:33.56 | drmessano | No, id recommend converting the apps to a newer format before upgrading to SP3 |
| 08:34.27 | jblack | So, as devil's advocate, I'd say "You want me to pull out every backup I have over the last decade, just to convert them?" |
| 08:34.34 | drmessano | I mean, how long should they support Word 4.0 docs? |
| 08:34.41 | drmessano | See |
| 08:34.44 | drmessano | thats just it |
| 08:34.53 | drmessano | Office 97 is the cutoff |
| 08:35.10 | drmessano | Office 97 and newer |
| 08:35.14 | Shaun2222 | is this really the only way to incrememnt a var by one... lol.... Set(SOMEVAR=${MATH(${SOMEVAR}+1)}) ; |
| 08:35.32 | jblack | I didn't necessarily move to office 97 in 1997. I probably gave it several years for other people to get cut, and stuck with 95 |
| 08:36.15 | jblack | Shaun2222: That looks about right to me. You could look at extensions.ael if you don't like extensions.conf |
| 08:36.22 | jblack | that reminds me. I need to learn ael. |
| 08:36.28 | Shaun2222 | would be nice if there was a Set(SOMEVAR++); |
| 08:36.51 | jblack | Yeah. That would be nice. When do you plan on writing the patch? |
| 08:36.59 | drmessano | I think if you're holding onto docs in Office 95 formats you need to be shot |
| 08:37.00 | drmessano | lol |
| 08:37.29 | jblack | Well, I'm a big lawyer. I have documents going back to the 80's, that I have to hold onto. |
| 08:37.57 | drmessano | So use that copy of Office 95 to open them |
| 08:38.00 | jblack | (as a role-play. In real life, I'm nothing more than an armchair lawyer) |
| 08:38.06 | drmessano | On that Windows 95 PC you kept |
| 08:38.28 | jblack | Which probably doesn't run on vista? Ohhh. On the hardware I can no longer buy, that doesn't even have usb support |
| 08:38.35 | drmessano | Next to the reel to reel you kept for playing back testimony |
| 08:38.54 | drmessano | Which is in 100% working order |
| 08:39.00 | jblack | If I were microsoft, here's what I would do. |
| 08:39.29 | jblack | I would make a converter app. Doesn't allow edit. Just import/export, going back forever. |
| 08:39.52 | jblack | Doesn't even run macros, though it would have to be able to convert them. |
| 08:40.31 | jblack | Then, you can really shorten the horizon on what the current version has to support. |
| 08:40.37 | drmessano | Well |
| 08:41.20 | drmessano | Youre still dealing with the same documents |
| 08:41.25 | drmessano | Which are in an exploitable format |
| 08:41.31 | drmessano | I mean |
| 08:41.44 | drmessano | If the word 95 format itself is flawed |
| 08:41.45 | jblack | True, but in order to manipulate them (which is where the risk lies), you convert them. |
| 08:42.03 | drmessano | I dont think I can open it to even convert without exposing that vector |
| 08:42.07 | jblack | The originals can remain preserved as is, and don't need to be ported, except when needed, on the fly. |
| 08:42.09 | drmessano | Unless its run in some sandbox |
| 08:42.41 | tzafrir_laptop | The thing is that the extra code should be in the conversion filter rather than in the application |
| 08:42.43 | jblack | That's what I mean by a converter. You don't do anything dangerous, you just parse. |
| 08:42.54 | drmessano | True.. |
| 08:43.03 | drmessano | Moving it will make the app safer |
| 08:43.11 | drmessano | and conversions would be a one time thing |
| 08:43.15 | jblack | and as time passes, the conversion can be updated to take into account old holes. |
| 08:43.33 | drmessano | I couldnt sneak a 95 .doc in under the radar and have Word 2003 open it, no questions asked |
| 08:43.42 | jblack | For many, yeah. And if you get a "whoops, here's something on the old netware network that needs converting" you have access to it. |
| 08:43.44 | drmessano | Which I will agree is the biggest problem |
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| 08:44.21 | drmessano | So offloading the code to converter is good |
| 08:44.22 | jblack | Right now, office is both a conversion tool AND a word processor. And that's exactly why they're in the hell they're in. |
| 08:44.42 | drmessano | But I would expect the converter to run with low user rights |
| 08:44.46 | drmessano | Never as admin |
| 08:44.50 | drmessano | and warn as such |
| 08:45.00 | jblack | I'm tellin ya. Being paid to be head blurter would do someone some real good... ;) |
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| 08:45.22 | jblack | exactly. No actual functioning at all. |
| 08:45.43 | jblack | drop caps left and right. |
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| 08:46.35 | jblack | and your customers feel safe, knowing that they'll never have to go searching for a 386 to read that odd document. |
| 08:47.08 | drmessano | Next they need to make a patch for Office 2007 that drops the 2007 Office formats and sticks with 2003 |
| 08:47.56 | jblack | heh |
| 08:48.00 | mhiku | which is the best softphones theres too many to choose from? |
| 08:48.35 | drmessano | X-Lite is good |
| 08:48.50 | jblack | mhiku: The best softphone in the world is called hypotheticix. It uses 3 bytes of ram, has 293 lines, has 93 way calling and runs on every operaring system. |
| 08:49.46 | jblack | Oh, and it's been blessed by tibetten monks and declared kosher by jesuit preists. |
| 08:50.04 | mhiku | do i need to register xlite to use it? |
| 08:50.10 | jblack | No, you do not. |
| 08:50.22 | mhiku | x-lite demo then? |
| 08:50.30 | drmessano | X-lite is free |
| 08:50.38 | jblack | It's actually not very limited. It'll do most of the things you want. |
| 08:51.02 | jblack | They do have a more expansive client called Bria that does even more, but odds are x-lite will be enough for you |
| 08:51.17 | drmessano | Id rather use eyebeam than Bria lol |
| 08:51.38 | mhiku | you will need to buy bria to use it right? |
| 08:51.47 | jblack | yeah, both bria and eyebeam |
| 08:51.49 | drmessano | yeah |
| 08:52.05 | drmessano | mhiku, do you have a working asterisk system? |
| 08:52.27 | mhiku | yes downloaded the asteriskwin32 |
| 08:52.33 | drmessano | lol |
| 08:52.34 | jblack | imho, the only downsite to x-lite is that it's not free software (as in liberty), but that's not exactly a rare problem for windows software |
| 08:52.36 | drmessano | ugh |
| 08:52.42 | jblack | downside, that is |
| 08:53.22 | drmessano | Based on 1.2.14.. thats not old at all |
| 08:53.29 | mhiku | oh, i need to restart before xlite install finish |
| 08:53.42 | jblack | lol. Go microsoft. |
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| 08:55.48 | Shaun2222 | bahh.. course math requires a non-existing var to be set to zero to add 1... |
| 08:55.52 | drmessano | Ok, I need sleep.. Another day of pulling wire I guess |
| 08:55.55 | drmessano | Nite all |
| 08:56.41 | jblack | Shaun2222: so use ael instead. It's much closer to a programming language. |
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| 08:57.00 | Shaun2222 | ehh |
| 08:57.17 | mhiku | xlite have display name, username password, auth username and domain name, is there an online document to configure this? |
| 08:59.45 | jblack | probably somewhere. try google. |
| 09:00.48 | jblack | mhiku: Do you have the book yet? |
| 09:00.50 | jblack | ~book |
| 09:00.50 | jbot | Asterisk: The Future of Telephony 2nd Edition (ISBN 0-596-51048-9) --- Order yours at http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/9780596510480/ --- Free downloadable PDF http://downloads.oreilly.com/books/9780596510480.pdf --- HTML at http://tfot.leifmadsen.com |
| 09:01.16 | mhiku | i dont want to buy, is there an online documentation thats free? |
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| 09:01.33 | jblack | Why don't you reread that. |
| 09:02.33 | mhiku | can i use iaxcomm as a softphone? |
| 09:03.18 | jblack | I don't see why not. |
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| 09:10.20 | Shaun2222 | gonna get gansta with it... :) exten => t,1,Set(TIMEOUT_COUNT=${MATH(0"${TIMEOUT_COUNT}"+1,int)}) |
| 09:11.04 | mhiku | which will i use? sip or iax2? |
| 09:12.22 | jblack | iax2 is generally easier to work with, because it only uses 1 port. |
| 09:12.32 | jblack | Night all. |
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| 09:16.04 | ZeusP | hello |
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| 09:38.07 | yang | I am trying to setup HUDlite client to work with asterisk, but this is the error I get : -- Starting Skinny session from 212.103.134.208 ; get_input: Skinny Client sent less data than expected. |
| 09:54.27 | Mw3 | does anybody know about about a (free) sip or iax flash client? |
| 09:56.30 | tzafrir_laptop | Why??? |
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| 10:04.14 | GromiTM | What is the best way to realize a monitoring feature for an Asterisk 1.4 for a callcenter? As I am right, monitor() records a call after answering it, but I am looking for a possibility to record after pressing a key to have time to let allow the recording by the client. |
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| 10:56.25 | jblack | gromitm: Look at features.conf |
| 10:56.59 | jblack | Particularly, automon |
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| 11:42.13 | GromiTM | jblack: thnx. |
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| 11:51.41 | jamincollins | I've managed to get Asterisk Realtime working with my extension contexts. Is there any way to globally indicate that all extension contexts are in the DB? or do I really need to create each context in the extensions.conf and add a switch statement for each? |
| 11:55.39 | zeeesh | getting error by installing new asterisk-1.4.17 "configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables"? i hv already been installed .. "gcc-3.4.6-8" "gcc-g77-3.4.6-8" "libgcc-3.4.6-8" "gcc-java-3.4.6-8" "gcc-c++-3.4.6-8" then y i m getting this msg .. am i missed one of them ?? |
| 11:56.39 | RoyK | jamincollins: I'd rather use some smarter lookups with AGI or something instead of realtime extensions. that is - I've been using that sort of stuff for some years now. realtime extensions imposes an unnecessary heavy load on the db server |
| 11:58.45 | tzafrir_laptop | zeeesh, you don't have 'cc' |
| 11:58.53 | tzafrir_laptop | What distro is it? |
| 12:00.08 | RoyK | zeeesh: try running 'cc' or 'gcc'. they should be part of that gcc package |
| 12:00.35 | tzafrir_laptop | Or symlinks to one of them |
| 12:01.11 | zeeesh | <tzafrir_laptop>: rhel4 AS .. |
| 12:02.59 | tzafrir_laptop | Do you have /usr/bin/cc ? /usr/bin/gcc ? |
| 12:06.16 | zeeesh | <tzafrir_laptop>: both exist in /usr/bin |
| 12:06.57 | tzafrir_laptop | zeeesh, maybe glibc-devel is not installed |
| 12:07.08 | tzafrir_laptop | What is the exact error in config.log ? |
| 12:07.15 | GromiTM | Do you have an 64Bit system and not gcc-multlib installed? |
| 12:07.38 | GromiTM | Or is it possible, that some gcc/g++ options are misspelled? |
| 12:07.58 | tzafrir_laptop | config.log should have the command run and the error |
| 12:08.35 | zeeesh | <tzafrir_laptop>: pls check ur pm .. |
| 12:11.25 | yang | tzafrir_laptop: skinny.conf has some sort of MAC address parameters for the SIP phone handset...however my HUD lite doesn't uses any MAC address. |
| 12:12.32 | tzafrir_laptop | yang, do you have a cisco phone with SIP firmware or with skinny (sccp) firmware? |
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| 12:12.51 | alinux-lb22 | hi any go experience with the linux command line STUN utilty ? |
| 12:12.52 | yang | no |
| 12:13.09 | yang | but i thought those connections were skinny related (from HUD) |
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| 12:18.51 | tzafrir_laptop | yang: skinny or sip? |
| 12:19.17 | tzafrir_laptop | What did you mean by "no"? |
| 12:24.14 | yang | "no" I don't have a skinny cisco enabled phone |
| 12:25.43 | yang | Has anyone managed to connect HUDlite with asterisk ? |
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| 12:26.08 | Daviey | yang: the trixbox guys do AIUI |
| 12:26.27 | yang | yes, I know that trixbox supports that + freepbx, I am asking about asterisk |
| 12:26.52 | yang | I don't want to dig further if its uncompatible |
| 12:27.11 | Daviey | why would it be incompatiable? |
| 12:28.21 | Daviey | alinux-lb22: I found the debian/ubuntu packaged stun utility to be, erm, crap |
| 12:29.17 | alinux-lb22 | Daviey, I don need anything fancy I just want to write a cron job to test my stun server "not debian/ubuntu" for stun responses |
| 12:30.39 | Daviey | Then if the stun is working, just attempt to telnet via a shell script |
| 12:30.39 | Nugget | telnet is eeeeeeevil! |
| 12:30.52 | Daviey | wow that was fast |
| 12:31.18 | Daviey | why is telnet evil? |
| 12:31.53 | Daviey | alinux-lb22: If you want to monitor stun is 'up' - i would look into nagios |
| 12:32.43 | alinux-lb22 | does it monitor the stun daemon itself or does it ping the server on which the daemon is running ? |
| 12:33.50 | Daviey | you can use nagios to check that the stun service is running and that the host responds to ping etc |
| 12:34.17 | Daviey | will email you stating an error, and will mail when it's recovered (if it fixes automagically) |
| 12:34.47 | Daviey | Obv. it's better to not have nagios on the same box - but will still work for stun checking |
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| 13:20.41 | Federico2 | hi there |
| 13:21.23 | Federico2 | I'm having troubles setting up a grandstream budgetone and an ekiga voip phones with askerisk |
| 13:22.11 | Federico2 | the budgetone phone issue a REGISTER Request, asterisk replies 403 Forbidden |
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| 13:23.23 | [TK]D-Fender | Federico2: pastebin your sip.conf masking only passwords |
| 13:23.25 | [TK]D-Fender | ~pb |
| 13:23.26 | jbot | [~pb] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste |
| 13:23.27 | [TK]D-Fender | ^^^^^^^^^ |
| 13:23.34 | Federico2 | where can I start searching for info? |
| 13:23.53 | [TK]D-Fender | Federico2: Along with CLI ouput with SIP debug containing your failed register attempts |
| 13:27.00 | Federico2 | sip.conf is _very_ long, let me clean it from comments... |
| 13:27.21 | Aurs | what am I missing here... anyone? http://www.pastebin.ca/845109 |
| 13:27.33 | Aurs | (yes, I know it's an old version of zaptel) |
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| 13:29.47 | Aurs | answer to self: http://www.mail-archive.com/asterisk-users@lists.digium.com/msg178129.html |
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| 13:31.38 | smace | I cannot listen to MusicOnHold in my asterisk, i have googled and read docs in asterisk web site, but I still not succesed. Now I am downloading from SVN asterisk-addons, am I in the right path? |
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| 13:31.48 | chritoep | hi |
| 13:31.55 | [TK]D-Fender | Federico2: permanently remove all commented lines taht you did not write yourself |
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| 13:33.37 | Federico2 | [TK]D-Fender: I'm just removing them in order to show you |
| 13:33.58 | smace | I have done make install in asterisk-addon but I still get: Jan 7 11:33:13 NOTICE[13819]: res_musiconhold.c:533 monmp3thread: Request to schedule in the past?!?! |
| 13:34.11 | Federico2 | sed 's/;.*//g;/^[\t\ ]*$/d' sip.conf |
| 13:35.09 | Federico2 | http://rafb.net/p/oI1GKN35.html |
| 13:35.22 | Federico2 | passwords are not a concern here ;) |
| 13:35.45 | Federico2 | lines below 10 has been added by myself |
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| 13:36.26 | chritoep | a small question. is it possible to get the count of available zap-channels? i mean the count of channels currently connected to the pstn net |
| 13:37.15 | [TK]D-Fender | Federico2: Here's the problem : you need to put "host=dynamic" in order to let your phones register. You should NOT but putting their fixed address in like that. Change this and things should be fine |
| 13:37.49 | [TK]D-Fender | chritoep: "show application chanisavail" <- |
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| 13:38.33 | [TK]D-Fender | smace: pastebin your musiconhold.conf and "ls -la /var/lib/asterisk/moh" |
| 13:38.50 | chritoep | [TK]D-Fender: i need to get this from the manager interface |
| 13:39.23 | smace | [TK]D-Fender, -bash: cd: /var/lib/asterisk/moh: Not Found |
| 13:39.25 | [TK]D-Fender | chritoep: Then parse out "show channels concise" or "zap show channels |
| 13:40.03 | smace | [TK]D-Fender, there exist one mohmp3 directory. |
| 13:40.04 | [TK]D-Fender | smace: look in asterisk.conf to see where it thinks they should be. |
| 13:40.13 | [TK]D-Fender | smace: then LS that one |
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| 13:40.45 | chritoep | on zap show channels i get the full list of channels. but i know, that only 62 of the 124 are connected |
| 13:40.50 | smace | [TK]D-Fender, astvarlibdir => /var/lib/asterisk ? |
| 13:41.00 | Federico2 | [TK]D-Fender: thanx a lot |
| 13:41.14 | chritoep | i use the te420 |
| 13:41.35 | [TK]D-Fender | smace: nvm, just ls the one you found, I think it changed between versions |
| 13:41.53 | [TK]D-Fender | chritoep: Then parse out the first one I gave you. |
| 13:42.25 | chritoep | the first gives me only a list of channels in use |
| 13:42.37 | *** part/#asterisk asteriskmonkey (n=philip@69.77.169.14) |
| 13:43.22 | [TK]D-Fender | chritoep: on my PRI "zap show channels" has a column filled in with the inbound DID telling me which channels are active... |
| 13:43.47 | [TK]D-Fender | chritoep: well the reverse of "inuse" = "free". Do the math |
| 13:44.51 | Federico2 | [TK]D-Fender: it works, tnx |
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| 13:46.12 | chritoep | this is what i get: http://rafb.net/p/ih1LiA52.html |
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| 13:46.57 | chritoep | it is an asterisk 1.4.10 |
| 13:48.25 | ussrback | i have extension |
| 13:48.25 | ussrback | exten => _00.,1,Dial(SIP/002${EXTEN:2}@87.253.33.237) |
| 13:48.46 | ussrback | user dial 00 and then make international call |
| 13:49.04 | ussrback | how can i restrict access to some specific country code? |
| 13:49.10 | ussrback | for example 994 |
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| 13:49.33 | ussrback | to make possible to dail to any country except 994 |
| 13:49.38 | ussrback | ? |
| 13:50.17 | chritoep | exten => _00994.,1,Hangup() ? |
| 13:50.47 | ussrback | add it before or after? |
| 13:51.05 | chritoep | i would say before |
| 13:51.55 | ussrback | ok |
| 13:51.58 | ussrback | 10xs |
| 13:52.00 | ussrback | ill try |
| 13:52.20 | Federico2 | ekiga is unable to place calls: asterisk answers "SIP Status: 407 Proxy Authentication Required" |
| 13:53.28 | smace | [TK]D-Fender, http://paste.uni.cc/18039 |
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| 14:02.26 | smace | how do I check if MusicOnHold is correct installed? |
| 14:02.49 | *** join/#asterisk ZaVoid (n=zavoid@66-95-182-90.client.dsl.net) |
| 14:02.53 | ZaVoid | morning |
| 14:02.56 | Federico2 | smace: listen to it ;) |
| 14:03.01 | ronr | smace: call yourself and put yourself on hold :D |
| 14:03.03 | Federico2 | sorry, I couldn't resist |
| 14:03.29 | [TK]D-Fender | smace: You never provided your musiconhold.conf as requested... |
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| 14:03.58 | smace | [TK]D-Fender, is in that pastbin, the rest of file is commented. |
| 14:04.18 | [TK]D-Fender | smace: which? |
| 14:04.28 | [TK]D-Fender | smace: OH. |
| 14:04.31 | smace | [TK]D-Fender, http://paste.uni.cc/18039 |
| 14:04.42 | [TK]D-Fender | smace: ok, well you're using MPG123 for MoH, and not NATIVE |
| 14:04.59 | [TK]D-Fender | smace: use "mode=files" and restart * |
| 14:04.59 | smace | [TK]D-Fender, which is better? |
| 14:05.39 | [TK]D-Fender | smace: better off using Native |
| 14:06.11 | smace | [TK]D-Fender, my * version is Asterisk 1.2.15 ... |
| 14:06.29 | [TK]D-Fender | smace: Thats fine |
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| 14:12.27 | smace | [TK]D-Fender, I still get erros and no music is played. I'll try installing MPG123 |
| 14:12.37 | [TK]D-Fender | smace: Hold off |
| 14:12.42 | [TK]D-Fender | smace: what errors? |
| 14:12.51 | smace | Jan 7 12:10:47 NOTICE[13819]: res_musiconhold.c:533 monmp3thread: Request to schedule in the past?!?! |
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| 14:13.03 | [TK]D-Fender | smace: And this is after changing "mode" to "files"? |
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| 14:13.09 | [TK]D-Fender | smace: Does MoH start? |
| 14:13.11 | smace | [TK]D-Fender, yes |
| 14:13.18 | smace | [TK]D-Fender, how do I know it? |
| 14:13.37 | [TK]D-Fender | smace: and did you completely stop * and restart it? |
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| 14:13.50 | [TK]D-Fender | smace: pastebin "show modules" |
| 14:13.51 | smace | [TK]D-Fender, oh=/ sorry. reload :| |
| 14:15.01 | aiurea | hi |
| 14:15.25 | aiurea | I have a small extension that is supposed to call a number and give him some menu options |
| 14:15.27 | aiurea | http://pastebin.com/d273e2f7e |
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| 14:15.38 | Uatec | Hi there |
| 14:15.44 | aiurea | it dials the number and plays the message, but it ignores any keys |
| 14:16.04 | aiurea | If i pressed 1 it should hangup, but it doesn't do anything |
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| 14:16.53 | [TK]D-Fender | aiurea: pastebin the failed call attempt at verbose 10 |
| 14:16.53 | Uatec | Is it possible to lock out a sip account after X number of failed logins? |
| 14:16.55 | [TK]D-Fender | ~pb |
| 14:16.56 | jbot | [~pb] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste |
| 14:16.57 | [TK]D-Fender | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ |
| 14:17.03 | [TK]D-Fender | Uatec: No. |
| 14:17.12 | Uatec | oh |
| 14:17.18 | Uatec | that's a regretfully blunt answer |
| 14:17.24 | smace | [TK]D-Fender, show modules shows >> res_musiconhold.so Music On Hold Resource 1 |
| 14:17.38 | Uatec | how to people protect their SIP servers against brute force attack? |
| 14:17.52 | [TK]D-Fender | smace: do you see format_mp3.so as well ? |
| 14:18.14 | [TK]D-Fender | Uatec: firewalls, putting real SIP proxies in front, etc |
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| 14:18.31 | Uatec | [TK]D-Fender, what do you consider a REAL sip proxy? |
| 14:18.39 | [TK]D-Fender | Uatec: SER, etc |
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| 14:18.51 | smace | [TK]D-Fender, no. |
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| 14:19.05 | smace | [TK]D-Fender, format_mp3.so is missing. |
| 14:19.18 | [TK]D-Fender | smace: guess you didn't finish installing aasterisk-addonds |
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| 14:20.02 | BdPuK | afternoon all (or morning, evening whereever you are) i need a bit of help, is this the right place or is there a dedicated support channel? |
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| 14:20.54 | smace | [TK]D-Fender, i have downloaded from SVN make, make install, and modules were installed (at least make install told me it) maybe it is one path issue. |
| 14:21.00 | [TK]D-Fender | aiurea: BTW the 1st 2 apps you call in your IVR are deprecated in 1.2. You should not be using them, and I also see no reference to ${SOUNDFILE} being set, so I'm not sure if that'll be a problem as well |
| 14:21.32 | [TK]D-Fender | smace: Whatever it is, go fix it... you should have a single simple .so in your modules folder by the time you're done. |
| 14:21.50 | [TK]D-Fender | BdPuK: Dedicated to WHAT is the question... |
| 14:21.53 | aiurea | [TK]D-Fender, I fill the the deprecated variables, the soundfile variable is set in the outgoing call script. This is the paste for verbose 10 http://pastebin.com/d725a590d |
| 14:22.15 | aiurea | [TK]D-Fender, I meant I will fix the deprecated apps |
| 14:23.12 | [TK]D-Fender | aiurea: this is a call file? What is it dialing? |
| 14:23.45 | [TK]D-Fender | aiurea: please pastebin a complete call file sample as well as all related dialplan for its landing zones. |
| 14:23.46 | BdPuK | my company have thrown me in the deep end and handed me an asterisk server (business edition) and asked me to configure it for office use, it came pre configured from a supplier with the ip address of xx.xx.xx.1, but the company policy states that the server should b xx.xx.xx.254, is changing the ip address going to have any drastic effects if i were to change it using ipconfig? |
| 14:24.00 | [TK]D-Fender | aiurea: Can you confirm that the call is actually being placed? |
| 14:24.18 | aiurea | [TK]D-Fender, yes, I am receiving the call on my mobile. if I press 1 nothing happens |
| 14:24.35 | [TK]D-Fender | BdPuK: Shouldn't, but that'd depends on what other services are on there. |
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| 14:24.50 | [TK]D-Fender | aiurea: Could simply be that your peer's DTMFMODE isn't set right |
| 14:24.58 | BdPuK | nothing, its a straight out of the box asterisk install with a sark frontend |
| 14:25.08 | aiurea | [TK]D-Fender, is there a way I can check that? |
| 14:25.32 | BdPuK | thanks for the help, I'll probably be idling in here a lot over the coming weeks :) |
| 14:25.36 | zeeesh | getting error while installing asterisk-1.4.17 .. my config.log at "http://sial.org/pbot/29651." will anobody take a look ? |
| 14:25.41 | [TK]D-Fender | aiurea: first, use a local device that works to test your menu. It DOES look "ok-ish", but double check. |
| 14:25.52 | aiurea | [TK]D-Fender, ok |
| 14:26.11 | Uatec | argh, this SER thing looks complicated |
| 14:26.48 | [TK]D-Fender | zeeesh: http://books.google.com/books?id=9_wRFy5OGw4C&pg=PA47&lpg=PA47&dq=asterisk+%22cannot+create+executables%22&source=web&ots=7gVnqKuM7g&sig=mnOGgXVXbnYuXzdUeiY_6U8h9Dw |
| 14:26.56 | smace | is there a way to have one format_mp3.so without having to compile it from source? (i am getting errors when compiling it) |
| 14:27.16 | [TK]D-Fender | smace: You'd have to have one compiled for your arh, etc... |
| 14:27.28 | [TK]D-Fender | smace: try to fix your build issue |
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| 14:28.25 | oppassum | Fender -- are you around? |
| 14:29.04 | [TK]D-Fender | oppassum: yup |
| 14:29.54 | oppassum | I'm trying to edit the code for *, and obviously it's fairly long. Are you able to point me in the right direction as to where I would add a hook for a call on hold? |
| 14:29.58 | smace | [TK]D-Fender, do you work for Digium ? |
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| 14:30.26 | [TK]D-Fender | smace: Nope. |
| 14:30.29 | nDuff | Uatec: well, if you don't want to run SER, use long enough and random enough passwords that no brute force attack will be successful, or write a script that uses the manager interface to determine IPs to blacklist at the firewall level, or such. Or do something completely different -- I don't allow SIP from the Internet at all; telecommuters need to come through a VPN. |
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| 14:31.44 | [TK]D-Fender | oppassum: there might be an AMI event thrown off for this (unsure). Check that first. REALLY. then barring that, look in CLI for the "starting MoH" message, and grep the source for it |
| 14:32.23 | [TK]D-Fender | smace: I am an independant consultant and help out here a lot free. |
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| 14:35.45 | Uatec | nDuff, we considered that, but we really want an account lockout. and we've decided that VPN is a crap plan for us for various reasons |
| 14:36.11 | Uatec | i'll just have to bite the bullet and read this documentation |
| 14:36.40 | anonymouz666 | +1 516 is CANADA ? |
| 14:37.38 | *** part/#asterisk tommynorge (n=thomas@m234h.studby.ntnu.no) |
| 14:37.48 | anonymouz666 | CAN | FIX | Telecom Quebec Inc. -- can anyone confirm that? |
| 14:37.56 | lmadsen | Quebec is Canada |
| 14:38.09 | [TK]D-Fender | anonymouz666 : http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=canada+516+area+code&btnG=Google+Search&meta= |
| 14:38.25 | [TK]D-Fender | anonymouz666: What does page 1 seem to tell you? |
| 14:38.58 | zeeesh | getting error during installation .. "configure: error: *** termcap support not found"? |
| 14:39.06 | aiurea | [TK]D-Fender, the local call worked. |
| 14:39.23 | [TK]D-Fender | zeeesh: Go install all of *'s dependencies |
| 14:39.36 | aiurea | [TK]D-Fender, the call ended when I pressed 1 from a local box |
| 14:40.13 | aiurea | [TK]D-Fender, what should I ask the provider? is there something more I could do from my end? |
| 14:40.54 | [TK]D-Fender | aiurea: Test the provider a bit more directly. place a normal call to them via an internal device, and transfer them to the menu. Does that work? Etc.... |
| 14:40.59 | *** join/#asterisk iratik (n=itariki@12-226-116-3.client.mchsi.com) |
| 14:41.07 | iratik | Why is my extension unavailable!!!?? |
| 14:41.13 | iratik | http://pastie.caboo.se/136138 |
| 14:41.31 | lmadsen | [TK]D-Fender: such is leif! :) |
| 14:41.40 | tzafrir_laptop | zeeesh, now why not use a script for that? |
| 14:42.00 | iratik | Why is my ExtensionState=4 ? |
| 14:42.43 | tzafrir_laptop | zeeesh, http://bugs.digium.com/10523 |
| 14:42.48 | [TK]D-Fender | iratik: Perhaps you should actually enable SIP DEBUG to see what your phone reported back <- |
| 14:43.00 | iratik | isn't sip debug on? |
| 14:43.06 | iratik | because thats where i got the pastie from... |
| 14:43.08 | [TK]D-Fender | iratik: Clearly NOT |
| 14:43.09 | iratik | the output of asterisk -r |
| 14:43.22 | [TK]D-Fender | iratik: Congratulations... NO it isn't on. |
| 14:43.29 | tzafrir_laptop | ah, that probably won't work on RHEL4, as it does not have yum |
| 14:43.30 | [TK]D-Fender | iratik: "sip debug" <- |
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| 14:46.00 | iratik | can't really get anything meaningful from the flood of text |
| 14:46.09 | iratik | but you say it might be the softphone |
| 14:46.39 | [TK]D-Fender | iratik: No, I'm saying the ANSWER is likely in the debug. |
| 14:46.54 | iratik | And i'm looking at the debug.... but there are sooo many headers |
| 14:47.11 | [TK]D-Fender | iratik: and of course you can't get anything meaningful out of it. You have no idea how to read it since you don't know what sip debug even looks like. |
| 14:47.23 | [TK]D-Fender | iratik: and thats what PASTEBIN is for. |
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| 14:49.56 | iratik | sigh.... |
| 14:49.56 | iratik | http://pastie.caboo.se/136138 |
| 14:52.17 | iratik | I'm pretty sure what I need to know is not in there..... too many messages... might have to increase the scrollback buffers on my terminal |
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| 14:54.17 | [TK]D-Fender | iratik: well your iCall registration is bombing out for bad user/pass.... but thats ANOTHER problem. |
| 14:54.36 | iratik | hmm........ I'm able to receive calls |
| 14:54.42 | iratik | and make calls through the trunk |
| 14:55.23 | [TK]D-Fender | iratik: well it says its refusing... but whatever, this isn't the probem you're asking about. |
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| 14:57.14 | mhiku | asterisk is same as freepbx? |
| 14:57.43 | [TK]D-Fender | mhiku: No |
| 14:58.05 | [TK]D-Fender | mhiku: FreePBX is a GUI that can build a complete set of configs for * and.... |
| 14:58.08 | [TK]D-Fender | ~freepbx |
| 14:58.09 | jbot | [~freepbx] FreePBX is unable to be supported here. It is made up of complex dialplans and scripts which can't be easily supported by people who aren't deeply involved. Try joining #freepbx and asking there |
| 14:58.16 | Qwell | [TK]D-Fender: complete? |
| 14:58.39 | [TK]D-Fender | Qwell: Complete CRAP :p |
| 15:01.14 | mhiku | does asterisk have webbased gui? |
| 15:02.54 | [TK]D-Fender | mhiku: Natively no, all are add-ons |
| 15:05.21 | smace | [TK]D-Fender, solved. I had to download everything again but this time 1.2 source code. |
| 15:05.22 | aiurea | [TK]D-Fender, I got dtmf to work if I disabled the gsm code, used ulaw and dtmfmode=inband |
| 15:05.46 | [TK]D-Fender | smace: Ah, so you were using split versions were you? That'd fail.... |
| 15:05.55 | aiurea | [TK]D-Fender, is this an ok solution? |
| 15:05.56 | [TK]D-Fender | aiurea: There you have it... |
| 15:06.06 | mhiku | ahh asterisk is bettter than freepbx? |
| 15:06.11 | [TK]D-Fender | aiurea: If it works, then its what your provider is expecting. |
| 15:06.32 | [TK]D-Fender | mhiku: Thats like asking if a bicycle is better than a WHEEL |
| 15:06.36 | smace | [TK]D-Fender, svn had got the trunk not the branch. For sure it was my fault ;) |
| 15:07.24 | [TK]D-Fender | mhiku: FreePBX is a GUI that lets you configure Asterisk using its preset concepts of how a PBX should operate. It is narrow, simplistic, difficult to debug. |
| 15:07.52 | [TK]D-Fender | smace: Well you figured your way out of it just fine. You haven't lost any points for your first failure... |
| 15:08.12 | mhiku | which is the best free softphone? |
| 15:08.26 | Qwell | ~best |
| 15:08.27 | jbot | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Flock of Seagulls!, or fvwm! Women without clothes! |
| 15:08.38 | Qwell | stupid bot |
| 15:08.43 | drmessano | mhiku: Dude, do you even have asterisk WORKING? |
| 15:08.57 | mhiku | yes i have installed asteriskwin32 |
| 15:08.59 | drmessano | You were back at softphones 8 hours ago |
| 15:09.06 | Qwell | oh god |
| 15:09.15 | drmessano | Qwell: Exactly |
| 15:09.17 | mhiku | its said its working |
| 15:09.28 | Qwell | ~book |
| 15:09.29 | jbot | Asterisk: The Future of Telephony 2nd Edition (ISBN 0-596-51048-9) --- Order yours at http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/9780596510480/ --- Free downloadable PDF http://downloads.oreilly.com/books/9780596510480.pdf --- HTML at http://tfot.leifmadsen.com |
| 15:09.32 | drmessano | Well |
| 15:09.35 | Qwell | mhiku: stop now, read the book, come back when you're done. |
| 15:09.44 | drmessano | For god sake, of the software SAID its working, IT MUST BE |
| 15:09.48 | *** join/#asterisk kclaussen (n=kclausse@204.13.224.242) |
| 15:09.55 | mhiku | lol |
| 15:09.56 | drmessano | if |
| 15:10.16 | drmessano | "Windows is now working, kthxbye" |
| 15:10.21 | drmessano | I feel BETTER |
| 15:10.38 | drmessano | Read the book |
| 15:10.42 | drmessano | You need Linux |
| 15:11.16 | [TK]D-Fender | drmessano: A guy running * under windows and asking about GUI's.... you think he can handle the thought of Linux? I's skeptical. |
| 15:11.23 | [TK]D-Fender | I'm* |
| 15:11.25 | mhiku | yes ive finished reading the book, im just asking for expert's suggetsions |
| 15:11.33 | drmessano | Trixbox.. thats windows for PBX's |
| 15:11.38 | mhiku | based on their experiences |
| 15:11.38 | drmessano | Download it |
| 15:11.43 | drmessano | Hurry, before they run out |
| 15:11.51 | drmessano | Then go hang out in #trixbox |
| 15:11.54 | drmessano | Lots of support there |
| 15:12.02 | Qwell | there's like 2 people in there |
| 15:12.14 | drmessano | If you dont get help, dont worry... The box will call for help itself |
| 15:12.18 | drmessano | It does that now |
| 15:13.25 | [TK]D-Fender | Qwell: He can feel important.... growing their community by 50%! |
| 15:13.39 | Qwell | but at what cost? |
| 15:13.51 | drmessano | mhiku: You have 2 options.. Learn Linux and Asterisk.. or download something like Trixbox or Elastix, which you can at least get some peer support in the forums or on IRC. With AsteriskWin32, you get a pile of crap |
| 15:14.09 | drmessano | [TK]D-Fender: They have your SSN now, nice going |
| 15:14.12 | Qwell | and oh, Huntsville... gotta love living near an active arsenal, where you randomly hear BOMBS EXPLODING |
| 15:14.14 | [TK]D-Fender | mhiku: GUI;s are what you use when you have idiots running your PBX and are happy with its boxed implementation. And NO, we don't use GUI's here, which is why they aren't supported here. |
| 15:14.20 | Qwell | hear/feel |
| 15:14.44 | *** join/#asterisk juanjoc (n=juanjoc@200.69.219.113) |
| 15:14.53 | [TK]D-Fender | Qwell: But night-time fishing is so much easier when you glow in the dark! |
| 15:15.00 | Qwell | :p |
| 15:15.20 | Qwell | the realtor must have forgotten to mention the whole house shaking thing |
| 15:15.24 | coppice | or the fish glow in the dark |
| 15:15.50 | [TK]D-Fender | coppice: All about balance.... |
| 15:16.03 | [TK]D-Fender | coppice: And getting your RDA +15,000% RDA :) |
| 15:16.07 | coppice | so is escallation |
| 15:16.10 | [TK]D-Fender | coppice: (mercury) |
| 15:16.11 | drmessano | mhiku: You asking about softphone is like picking out the fuzzy dice for the mirror on the 747 you havent bought yet or learned to fly |
| 15:16.36 | Qwell | drmessano: I got the red ones for me 747 |
| 15:16.40 | drmessano | LOL |
| 15:16.40 | ronr | I got asterisk running in production now without any serious issues, I only find the call transfering annoying, is it possible to configure transferring such that when I transfer to someone else, I can first talk to whomever I'm transferring to and then, when I put down my phone, the call is really transferred? |
| 15:16.44 | mhiku | do i need to setup openvpn to network all servers in the 4 branches of the company? |
| 15:16.46 | Qwell | my* |
| 15:17.16 | [TK]D-Fender | mhiku: No, you can jsut throw VoIP over the internet directly if you feel like |
| 15:17.17 | ronr | (I currently use #<extension> to transfer a call) |
| 15:17.23 | drmessano | ROFL |
| 15:17.28 | drmessano | Oh god |
| 15:17.33 | drmessano | Youre on OpenVPN now? |
| 15:17.44 | [TK]D-Fender | ronr: its called ATTENDED transfer as oppose to the BLIND transferring you've been doing. |
| 15:17.46 | drmessano | Well hell, now that you got AsteriskWin32 running, time to move on to VPN |
| 15:17.54 | mhiku | nope lol |
| 15:18.03 | [TK]D-Fender | drmessano: No, next is integrating it with SKYPE :p |
| 15:18.11 | Qwell | after that, he'll be ready to become an ITSP |
| 15:18.12 | ronr | [TK]D-Fender: ok, thx, that should be enough info to find in the docs what I need |
| 15:18.17 | [TK]D-Fender | Qwell: FTW! |
| 15:18.25 | [TK]D-Fender | ronr: What phones are you using? |
| 15:18.42 | drmessano | Qwell: ROFLLLL |
| 15:18.45 | drmessano | No |
| 15:18.54 | drmessano | ITSPs use Trixboxes and Elastix now |
| 15:19.01 | *** join/#asterisk Havokmon (n=None@mail.valeoinc.com) |
| 15:19.07 | Qwell | not most of the ITSPs I've seen |
| 15:19.12 | ronr | [TK]D-Fender: 5 polycom 430's, 1 polycom 601 and 14 gigasets connected to three 475IP stations |
| 15:19.18 | *** join/#asterisk robl^ (n=robl@pdpc/supporter/monthlybyte/robl) |
| 15:19.32 | drmessano | Wifi + ISO based PBX + Mom + Dad + Neighbors + 128K DSL = ITSP |
| 15:19.34 | drmessano | Duh |
| 15:19.39 | [TK]D-Fender | ronr: Then you'd better not be using *'s BS DTMF transfers in your "Dial"'s (tT) <----- |
| 15:19.48 | Qwell | why use an iso when you can use an exe? |
| 15:19.53 | drmessano | ROFL |
| 15:19.54 | Qwell | logic, man |
| 15:19.54 | coppice | Elastix sounds like something from The Incredibles |
| 15:19.58 | drmessano | AsteriskWin32, FTW |
| 15:20.09 | mhiku | im just planning, there are 4 servers with different phones and location, i need to connect then using internet, should i use openvpn or theres another solution? |
| 15:20.12 | ronr | [TK]D-Fender: that is what I'm using, what would be better? |
| 15:20.23 | [TK]D-Fender | mhiku: Its ok... we're laughing at you, not with you ;) |
| 15:20.26 | drmessano | 4 PBXs? |
| 15:20.33 | drmessano | lol @ |
| 15:20.49 | [TK]D-Fender | ronr: Polycom's have this marvelous TRANSFER soft-key you should be using, not *'s crummy DTMF features. |
| 15:21.08 | drmessano | mhiku, how many users? |
| 15:21.19 | mhiku | nope 1 linksys and 1 centos in one site, there are 4 sites |
| 15:21.25 | drmessano | Wait wait |
| 15:21.29 | drmessano | Hang the hell on |
| 15:21.42 | drmessano | You have CENTOS running, and downloaded AsteriskWIN32? |
| 15:21.48 | drmessano | Good god man |
| 15:22.01 | mhiku | nope im just planning |
| 15:22.03 | ronr | [TK]D-Fender: yeah, I found that at the polycoms, but afaik the gigasets have no such things (and I really want transfering to work the same for everyone cause they barely get it right now ;) ) |
| 15:22.16 | drmessano | So no CentOS? |
| 15:22.20 | drmessano | Do you even know linux? |
| 15:22.30 | drmessano | Do you know what a Lenux is? |
| 15:22.35 | [TK]D-Fender | ronr: BAD... let the polycom users get whaqt they paid for. |
| 15:22.35 | drmessano | Have you ever milked a LEENUX? |
| 15:22.40 | mhiku | the tech will do it for me im the manager |
| 15:22.44 | drmessano | lol |
| 15:22.48 | Qwell | THAT EXPLAINS EVERYTHING |
| 15:22.52 | drmessano | THAT explains it! |
| 15:22.53 | drmessano | LOL |
| 15:22.56 | mhiku | i dont know everything lol |
| 15:23.01 | [TK]D-Fender | Qwell: He's running Asteriskwin32 under WINE ;) |
| 15:23.07 | drmessano | ROFLLLLLL |
| 15:23.08 | Qwell | mhiku: you go back to playing solitaire, get the tech in here |
| 15:23.15 | drmessano | HAHAHAHHAH |
| 15:23.25 | Qwell | don't do his job for him |
| 15:23.31 | drmessano | Minesweeper misses you |
| 15:23.39 | mhiku | so is that possible? using openvpn or asterisk can do that easily? |
| 15:23.45 | drmessano | AsteriskWin32 doesnt come with any games.. go back to firing people |
| 15:23.55 | Qwell | drmessano: actually.. |
| 15:24.03 | Qwell | nevermind :D |
| 15:24.06 | drmessano | lol |
| 15:24.32 | ronr | [TK]D-Fender: ok, why exactly is the dtmf feature in * crappy? |
| 15:24.34 | mhiku | the internet is broadband so we dont have static ip address yet |
| 15:24.40 | drmessano | Ohhh |
| 15:24.41 | [TK]D-Fender | drmessano: In Soviet Russia, mines sweep YOU! |
| 15:24.43 | drmessano | Residential? |
| 15:24.56 | Qwell | mhiku: seriously...have the guy who's actually going to be doing this come in here |
| 15:25.31 | mhiku | i need to know and learn too |
| 15:25.36 | drmessano | No |
| 15:25.38 | [TK]D-Fender | ronr: Because it interferes with IVR's, bypasses the NICE interface the phones gives to it. You can't SPLIT a transfer attempt while in progress, you have to remember 2 differnt codes for attended vs blind, and the list goes on. |
| 15:25.39 | drmessano | No you don't |
| 15:25.45 | drmessano | You've already scared us all |
| 15:25.52 | Qwell | scarred |
| 15:25.54 | drmessano | Please, the damage has been done |
| 15:25.59 | mhiku | lol |
| 15:26.03 | [TK]D-Fender | mhiku>the internet is broadband so we dont have static ip address yet <--- ummm WTF? |
| 15:26.11 | drmessano | When you said AsteriskWin32 and OpenVPN, I peed a little |
| 15:26.14 | [TK]D-Fender | Qwell: BOTH |
| 15:26.19 | drmessano | Now please, get your tech |
| 15:26.53 | [TK]D-Fender | mhiku: Followed by comparing * and FreePBX, not seeming to know anything about broadband connectivity, VPN, etc... |
| 15:27.13 | ronr | [TK]D-Fender: I'll read up on the docs of the gigasets to see if I can get rid of them, guess it's the kinda things that's not much of a problem (for me) right now, but could be later on |
| 15:27.19 | drmessano | [10:05] <mhiku> does freepbx have window version? |
| 15:27.23 | drmessano | That was in FreePBX |
| 15:27.28 | drmessano | Sorry for the cross paste |
| 15:27.28 | mhiku | broadband here have 1 wan ip and dhcp to the subscribers |
| 15:27.32 | drmessano | Dude |
| 15:27.34 | drmessano | Really |
| 15:27.46 | drmessano | subscribers? |
| 15:27.51 | drmessano | users? |
| 15:27.57 | Qwell | plural? |
| 15:27.58 | [TK]D-Fender | ronr: get rid of them for your Polycoms, and take your time on the Seimens stuff.... I don't know those, but you are driving your Ferraries like they were golf-carts |
| 15:28.08 | drmessano | WAN IP? Do you mean "Comcast assigned?" |
| 15:28.12 | mhiku | yes im one of the subscribers |
| 15:28.23 | drmessano | Come on, you cant call it a T1 because its got RJ-45s on it |
| 15:28.24 | [TK]D-Fender | mhiku: And jsut because you have 1 IP doesn't mean it can't be FIXED <- |
| 15:28.26 | Qwell | "I'm not only the founder, ..." |
| 15:28.38 | mhiku | i mean im behind a nat firewall |
| 15:28.43 | drmessano | Wow |
| 15:28.47 | drmessano | You have a firewall? |
| 15:28.48 | mhiku | cannot host |
| 15:28.51 | [TK]D-Fender | mhiku: So am I... with a FIXED IP on the WAN regardless |
| 15:28.51 | drmessano | Crap, you rock |
| 15:28.55 | robl^ | mhiku: you are WAY over your head at the moment. You need to learn to "walk" before "running a marathon" |
| 15:29.05 | mhiku | ok |
| 15:29.16 | *** join/#asterisk Lawbringer (n=Lawbring@cpc4-rdng12-0-0-cust292.winn.cable.ntl.com) |
| 15:29.29 | [TK]D-Fender | robl^: He hasn't masted basic BLOODFLOW, forget about any neuro-muscular control whatsoever ;) |
| 15:29.37 | drmessano | Read the book, you'll be running AsteriskWin32, Zaptel, Digium cards, and Skype channel banks in no time |
| 15:29.40 | Qwell | [TK]D-Fender: nice |
| 15:29.41 | drmessano | Give it 3 or 4 days, go slow |
| 15:29.43 | mhiku | hmm anyways what to use to connect those 4 servers together as one? |
| 15:29.48 | [TK]D-Fender | mhiku: Get your tech NOW please... we can't take much more comedy this early.... |
| 15:29.58 | drmessano | Superglue |
| 15:30.02 | [TK]D-Fender | drmessano: lol |
| 15:30.06 | mhiku | openvpn? |
| 15:30.10 | Qwell | [TK]D-Fender: I was gonna go for something similar, but you've pretty much topped anything I could've come up with this early :p |
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| 15:30.42 | [TK]D-Fender | Qwell: I run near 100% any time I'm conscious, s'ok.... go caffeinate :) |
| 15:30.49 | drmessano | That supper putty stuff the guy that sells the Orangle glow is advertising |
| 15:31.06 | drmessano | "What do you mean a Bonded T1 doesnt involve Epoxy?" |
| 15:31.40 | drmessano | One 16-pin Rj-90 comeing up |
| 15:31.45 | drmessano | -e |
| 15:32.03 | ronr | [TK]D-Fender: getting the polycoms to use attented transfer was really really really really easy :) |
| 15:32.22 | drmessano | mhiku: Have you looked at skype? |
| 15:32.30 | drmessano | Walmart has many fine Skype offerings |
| 15:32.32 | [TK]D-Fender | ronr: Yeah [Transfer] number [Transfer] <- Yippy-kai-yay |
| 15:32.33 | robl^ | mhiku: you "tie together" servers in MANY ways, TDOMo, IAX trunking, SIP, T1s with crossover, just to name a few.. You need a better grounding in the basics though |
| 15:32.57 | [TK]D-Fender | mhiku: Or when in doubt there's always duct-tape :) |
| 15:33.02 | drmessano | As a matter of fact, a USB hub with some skype USB phones LOOKS like a PEEBEEX |
| 15:33.38 | robl^ | drmessano: I thought it was bondage T1s. I guess I'll cancel the order for the leather cuffs and ropes |
| 15:33.45 | drmessano | You can tie the 4 sites together using intarweb explorer |
| 15:33.51 | drmessano | ROFL |
| 15:34.22 | drmessano | [TK]D-Fender: What about "Who is your internet service provider?" "Oh, um, internet explorer" |
| 15:34.25 | mhiku | the company use windows because we need application that needed windows, all design software, so im buying 4 servers with one linksys each and install those servers with centos, and network them, im sorry if you hate windows so much |
| 15:34.51 | drmessano | Its not a matter of hating windows |
| 15:34.56 | drmessano | But asterisk is NOT |
| 15:35.00 | drmessano | NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT |
| 15:35.03 | drmessano | NOOOOOOOOT |
| 15:35.03 | [TK]D-Fender | mhiku: what is "one linksys each"? |
| 15:35.07 | drmessano | A windows app |
| 15:35.13 | coppice | windows hates us. we're just responding in kind |
| 15:35.35 | drmessano | AsteriskWin32 is an UNSUPPORTED attempt at porting a now OLD version of Asterisk to windows |
| 15:35.45 | drmessano | Hardware is not supported, nor is, well, the app itself |
| 15:35.46 | Qwell | it was a then old version.. |
| 15:36.11 | drmessano | If Asterisk WAS supported on windows and had a native port, thats one thing |
| 15:36.17 | ronr | why would anyone want to run * on that lame excuse for an OS? (really, you want stability for your PBX right?) |
| 15:36.21 | drmessano | But you're cygwin'ing me to all hell here, dude |
| 15:36.24 | drmessano | I cant take it |
| 15:36.35 | drmessano | STOP THE EMULATION |
| 15:36.36 | robl^ | AsteriskWin32 IS VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY buggy |
| 15:37.11 | mhiku | ok im not using asteriskwin32 i just tried it |
| 15:37.22 | drmessano | I am a very much a 9 year Windows admin.. |
| 15:37.31 | drmessano | But I knwo where it ends |
| 15:37.44 | drmessano | I know what Windows SHOULD and SHOULDNT do |
| 15:37.49 | drmessano | and being a PBX.... no |
| 15:38.32 | mhiku | which is better? spa2002 or pap2 linksys |
| 15:38.47 | drmessano | 2002 is current production |
| 15:38.56 | Qwell | it's the same thing, isn't it? O.o |
| 15:39.03 | drmessano | pap2 only does single channel G729 at a time |
| 15:39.13 | *** join/#asterisk PepOSX (n=pepOSX--@190.79.246.105) |
| 15:39.26 | drmessano | Dont ask what G729 |
| 15:39.28 | drmessano | Dont ask what G729 is |
| 15:39.39 | drmessano | We wont accept that question until after 1 Feb |
| 15:39.48 | [TK]D-Fender | mhiku: PAP2 = low-end. SPA-2002 = OLD. SPA-2102 <--- |
| 15:39.56 | drmessano | LOL |
| 15:40.06 | drmessano | oh, the 2002 is not the new hotness post PAP2? |
| 15:40.19 | drmessano | or am I just one back |
| 15:40.32 | [TK]D-Fender | drmessano: No, the PAP2 was a low end version that came out AFTER for use with ITSPs |
| 15:40.41 | drmessano | Oh |
| 15:40.48 | [TK]D-Fender | drmessano: They needed the cheapest thing they could make :) |
| 15:40.55 | mhiku | so low end version affects the voice quality? |
| 15:41.01 | drmessano | Ok, I got mixed up.. I wasnt even thinking about the SPA-2002 being a Sipura rebranded |
| 15:41.11 | drmessano | Yeah, the 2102 |
| 15:41.35 | [TK]D-Fender | mhiku: Just forget those other 2. Now see you're even singling out hardware without giving us a proper description of your INTENT and NEEDS <- |
| 15:41.49 | [TK]D-Fender | mhiku: Even as a manager your approach is way off track. |
| 15:41.55 | drmessano | You shouldnt even be discussing endpoints |
| 15:41.55 | Qwell | [TK]D-Fender: he's a manager - he knows better than we do |
| 15:41.57 | Qwell | just accept it |
| 15:42.01 | mhiku | lol |
| 15:42.12 | *** join/#asterisk VijayG (n=vijay@58.68.47.109) |
| 15:42.14 | mhiku | im just new at voip |
| 15:42.18 | drmessano | mhiku: we hate you.. nothing personal |
| 15:42.19 | Qwell | you're new at a lot of things |
| 15:42.45 | [TK]D-Fender | mhiku: Then how about listing your NEEDS and see what we suggest rather than spouting off random products you happened to run across. |
| 15:43.48 | drmessano | You represent every manager thats every asked any of us to install Red Hat on his Windows XP machine so he can try the program, or wanted to wait for what comes after VoIP because hes not convinced |
| 15:44.28 | drmessano | So, nothing personal |
| 15:44.46 | drmessano | But these are the answers we've always wanted to give a "manager" |
| 15:44.47 | mhiku | i just said it, 4 sites, 1 server with 1 linksys each (because linksys is only available for now) and the goal is to connect them in 1 network, so if site1 have a call the operator can transfer the call to site2 personel |
| 15:44.49 | Dovid | dont we all feel the love in here ? |
| 15:44.52 | Havokmon | This is exactly why, when asked my title, I follow up with "But I'm not really a manager" |
| 15:45.00 | [TK]D-Fender | mhiku: What is a "linksys" each?! |
| 15:45.01 | mhiku | drop the manager thing lol |
| 15:45.18 | mhiku | il get spa2002 |
| 15:45.57 | Dovid | mihkuL |
| 15:45.58 | Qwell | 2102 - are you listening to a single thing we're saying? |
| 15:45.58 | drmessano | I'm technically a manager too, but I know what a Linksis Wifiless Router is, duh |
| 15:45.58 | Dovid | mihku: get a few different devices and see which one u like best |
| 15:45.58 | [TK]D-Fender | mhiku: And what kind of wiring do you have now? You want to use analog phones instead of nicer SIP hard-phones? What about LINES? What will you be using for PSTN access? |
| 15:45.58 | drmessano | mhiku, you dont even have an effing PBX |
| 15:46.03 | [TK]D-Fender | mhiku: Will each site have their own lines? What kind eech? |
| 15:46.11 | Qwell | drmessano: yeah, but he's gonna have 4 |
| 15:46.14 | Qwell | (why 4?) |
| 15:46.20 | drmessano | mhiku: Buy a Nortel |
| 15:46.21 | drmessano | NOW |
| 15:46.31 | Qwell | drmessano: I'm starting to think skype++ |
| 15:46.37 | drmessano | No |
| 15:46.41 | drmessano | Skype makes more sense |
| 15:46.45 | drmessano | Get a Nortel |
| 15:46.54 | mhiku | nortel? |
| 15:47.00 | drmessano | Google it |
| 15:47.00 | Dovid | yea skype rules ; |
| 15:47.02 | Dovid | ;) |
| 15:47.11 | drmessano | Nortel is VERY FTW |
| 15:47.15 | drmessano | Its better than Cisco |
| 15:47.19 | drmessano | WAY better |
| 15:47.26 | Havokmon | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:47.28 | drmessano | You will make millions just by owning one |
| 15:47.33 | Dovid | lol |
| 15:47.34 | Qwell | drmessano: in a year, if he comes back asking "how do I connect my asterisk with openvpn to my nortel?"... I'm kicking your ass. |
| 15:47.36 | [TK]D-Fender | mhiku: Ok, forget everything else and jsut answer my questions. |
| 15:47.42 | Dovid | hahaha |
| 15:47.45 | drmessano | lol |
| 15:48.06 | [TK]D-Fender | drmessano: Ok, it was funny for the first 1/2 hour, but you've past your "Best Before" date..... |
| 15:48.20 | Qwell | bbl |
| 15:48.21 | mhiku | yes each server have 2 telephone lines |
| 15:48.33 | drmessano | lol, oh sorry, [TK]D-Fender, I wasnt aware you stopped cracking jokes too |
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| 15:48.44 | mhiku | trunk lines |
| 15:48.45 | Qwell | [TK]D-Fender: good luck.. |
| 15:48.55 | Dovid | mhiku: I think it woud be better to draw up a map or a call flow for everything that u have and what u want to do |
| 15:49.01 | [TK]D-Fender | mhiku: what is a "trunk line"? |
| 15:49.05 | Dovid | then we can understand better |
| 15:49.26 | smace | what is the best g729a like codec? |
| 15:49.46 | [TK]D-Fender | smace: G729a.... everything is only "like" it ;) |
| 15:49.51 | Dovid | smace: What do u mean by the best ? and whats it like in what sense ? |
| 15:50.18 | mhiku | theres one telephone number thats connected to the pabx and that hotline wont get busy just an answering machine |
| 15:50.20 | smace | G729a is paied, I am looking for one similar solution but free. |
| 15:50.34 | Dovid | smace: good luck |
| 15:50.37 | mhiku | the client will call one number |
| 15:50.39 | Dovid | ~ygwypf |
| 15:50.40 | jbot | extra, extra, read all about it, ygwypf is You Get What You Pay For. If the sole factor in your decision to purchase a product or service is that it's cheaper than everything else out there, don't be surprised if it's also worse in every other respect than everything else out there. |
| 15:50.41 | mhiku | clients |
| 15:50.46 | smace | Dovid, lol. Is that so bad ? |
| 15:50.53 | [TK]D-Fender | mhiku: I think the answer I'm expecting sounds something like "we have 2 boring ANALOG lines". Does that about sum it up? |
| 15:51.16 | Dovid | smace: Why do people want the best for fee ? Are you willing to offer me your services for free ? Some one came up with a codec and wants to make on it |
| 15:51.18 | mhiku | 1 trunk and 1 phone line |
| 15:51.22 | Dovid | you can try the GSM codec |
| 15:51.29 | drmessano | A codec may seem like a silly thing to pay for, but like a divorce, it's worth it |
| 15:51.33 | smace | Dovid, I have another server without g729a licenses, so I do not have g729a running there. OR i would have to buy more licenses. |
| 15:51.42 | [TK]D-Fender | mhiku: First you say 2 lines each, and now you say 1. make up your mind. |
| 15:52.10 | Dovid | smace: You only need a licence where you transcode |
| 15:52.12 | mhiku | the 1st phone line is used as a dsl and 2nd is a trunk |
| 15:52.18 | smace | Dovid, you got me wrong. i understand g729a must be paid. I looking around if there is other solutions. |
| 15:52.19 | Dovid | so if you are just passing the call though you dont need it |
| 15:52.34 | Dovid | smace: why must you have G729 ? |
| 15:52.38 | drmessano | WTF is a trunk? |
| 15:52.43 | Dovid | bandwidth ? Like I siad look at GSM |
| 15:52.43 | [TK]D-Fender | mhiku: analog lines can have DSL running over them and that doesn't matter. are BOTH lines being used by your existing setup? |
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| 15:52.55 | mhiku | yes |
| 15:53.35 | smace | Dovid, when using SPA-2000, SPA-3102, HT-488 ATA only, the g729a license is not necessary ? :O |
| 15:54.02 | mhiku | i need to connect those 4 servers as one network what should i use? |
| 15:54.12 | [TK]D-Fender | mhiku: Fine. So each site will have **2 analog lines** each to be taken in and handled by Asterisk? |
| 15:54.18 | lmadsen | if the audio is being passed through between 2 G.729 supporting devices, then you don't need a license |
| 15:54.20 | Dovid | smace: There is a royalty fee to use the G729 licence. Sipura has paid it hence y they have in their phones. When it comes to asterisk if u want it u need to pay per channel |
| 15:54.28 | mhiku | yes |
| 15:54.45 | Dovid | if it is passing through asterisk and asterisk is not transcoding the call then you do NOT need a licence |
| 15:54.52 | [TK]D-Fender | mhiku: For the interest of trying to get your head straight please avoid trying to steer the conversation. Your scope has ADD written all over it. |
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| 15:55.17 | mhiku | ok sorry |
| 15:55.36 | Dovid | mhiku: Figure out what you need and come back, try drawing something in paint so we get a better idea of what you need |
| 15:56.05 | [TK]D-Fender | mhiku: Ok, next : the SPA's you were looking at were for letting Asterisk use ANALOG PHONES with it. Sure, you can use analog phones with *, but the experience is kinda crappy by comparison. Are you overly budget constrained? |
| 15:57.28 | drmessano | Hes a manager, of course he doesn't want to spend money :) |
| 15:58.00 | drmessano | I think he needs the tech in here.. because all these analog lines are gonna be a mess |
| 15:58.05 | drmessano | at 4 locations |
| 15:58.28 | mhiku | we can upgrade to a higher end if the voip is working as planned but for now we try to use the spa2002 |
| 15:58.29 | drmessano | Hes gonne need to rethink how they're doing telco |
| 15:58.38 | drmessano | Spa2002 is out |
| 15:58.58 | [TK]D-Fender | mhiku: what do you mean TRY to use? Are you now telling me you already BOUGHT them? |
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| 15:59.19 | mhiku | ive ordered 4 spa2002 |
| 15:59.23 | drmessano | LOL |
| 15:59.50 | mhiku | because its available here at philippines |
| 15:59.56 | oppassum | Fender - * has quite a bit of code talking about "dest", and variations of dest. All of these are chars that refer to a destination extension.. how does it resolve a numeric destination to this? |
| 16:00.24 | [TK]D-Fender | oppassum: Find a clue fast... |
| 16:00.30 | drmessano | mhiku, so youre going to get asterisk to use with analog adapters on analog phone lines so you can be using voip? |
| 16:00.34 | drmessano | My brain just exploded |
| 16:00.49 | [TK]D-Fender | mhiku: Fine.... So, how many phones are you planning for each site? |
| 16:00.59 | oppassum | nice way of saying i dont know |
| 16:01.06 | mhiku | 2 phones for each site |
| 16:01.22 | [TK]D-Fender | mhiku: So 2 phones AND 2 lines at each site? |
| 16:01.59 | mhiku | theres no phone, will use softphone |
| 16:02.11 | mhiku | and a headset |
| 16:02.17 | drmessano | SO what are the SPA-2002s for? |
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| 16:02.36 | [TK]D-Fender | mhiku: Well you just said you bought 4 x SPA-2002's. Those are for connecting PHONES, not LINES <- |
| 16:02.36 | mhiku | to connect the phoneline to the server |
| 16:02.40 | drmessano | No |
| 16:02.44 | drmessano | They wont work for that |
| 16:02.45 | [TK]D-Fender | mhiku: Then you have jsut wasted your money |
| 16:02.51 | mhiku | what to use? |
| 16:02.55 | drmessano | SPA-2002 is FXS |
| 16:02.58 | drmessano | You need FXO |
| 16:03.02 | [TK]D-Fender | mhiku: to use PHONES with * <----- |
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| 16:03.27 | mhiku | does linksys have it? or only digium? |
| 16:03.36 | Havokmon | http://www.voip-info.org/wiki-FXO |
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| 16:03.41 | [TK]D-Fender | mhiku: BOTH make FXO devices. |
| 16:04.10 | drmessano | Theres no good way of taking 2 lines from each site back to one Asterisk box |
| 16:04.16 | drmessano | Maybe SPA-3102s |
| 16:04.19 | [TK]D-Fender | mhiku: which exact product from each depends on where and how it will be used. |
| 16:04.21 | drmessano | But thats 2 per site |
| 16:04.51 | mhiku | i will use softphones, i need a device to connect the phonelines to the cpu |
| 16:05.02 | mhiku | ok im reading the link |
| 16:05.22 | ronr | apparently, I do have a serious issue with asterisk, faxes don't work (though I had that temporary convert but no), rxfax crashes (I still need to figure out why with a bt), is there some quick fix that will allow me to receive faxes somehow? |
| 16:05.35 | [TK]D-Fender | mhiku: Digium TDM400P + 2 FXO modules. |
| 16:05.57 | [TK]D-Fender | ronr: Install a fax machine. |
| 16:05.57 | drmessano | 4 PBXs then |
| 16:06.02 | drmessano | ugllly |
| 16:06.14 | ronr | s/convert/covered/ (whooo... and it isn't even 18:00 yet) |
| 16:06.24 | ronr | [TK]D-Fender: I don't have any analog outputs on the * box |
| 16:06.30 | drmessano | Sad thing is, with 2 lines, you need at least one to backhault if you consolidated lines |
| 16:06.49 | [TK]D-Fender | ronr: try SpanDSP+IAXModem+Hylafax. |
| 16:07.02 | [TK]D-Fender | ronr: Then again... I'm not sure that'd be considered "quick" |
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| 16:07.05 | drmessano | SO min of 1 line per site |
| 16:07.31 | ronr | [TK]D-Fender: ok, I guess the wiki will tell me how (right now, quick would be today) |
| 16:07.42 | mhiku | so i need fxo then, linksys spa2002 is fxs and cant accept calls right |
| 16:07.48 | [TK]D-Fender | ronr: Time to see how fast you can learn.... |
| 16:08.03 | duncanh | does the community have a good opinion of freeworlddialup? a trustworthy org or more like skype? |
| 16:08.07 | [TK]D-Fender | mhiku: For the 100th time, it is meant for you to plug PHONES INTO, not LINES. |
| 16:08.17 | [TK]D-Fender | duncanh: Good Org. |
| 16:08.22 | ronr | [TK]D-Fender: I already know I can learn fast (but that's usually not at the times I misspell covered as convert :S) |
| 16:09.10 | mhiku | sorry i dont know that earlier because i just read the link |
| 16:09.27 | robl^ | *scrolls up* 4 PBXes, each with a 2x2 config?!?!!?!? LOL!!!!!!! |
| 16:09.32 | drmessano | yes |
| 16:09.40 | drmessano | Thats not even worth it |
| 16:10.12 | drmessano | Even if you consolidated lines at one site, you need one DSL+PSTN line for internet |
| 16:10.21 | drmessano | So thats only getting rid of 1 line at each site |
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| 16:10.25 | dennis- | hey folks! |
| 16:10.34 | mhiku | does linksys have fxo? |
| 16:10.46 | dennis- | i am just looking into inbound/outbound sms with asterisk. what is the current state? what do i need for it? |
| 16:10.48 | drmessano | They have a SPA-3102 |
| 16:10.56 | drmessano | 1 FXO+1 FXS |
| 16:10.59 | drmessano | You need 8 |
| 16:11.50 | robl^ | drmessano: then again.. I have 3 PBXes in my apartment. What can I say? Then again, I'm kinda a geek and have whacked out configs ;-) |
| 16:12.00 | drmessano | lol |
| 16:12.04 | dennis- | hehe |
| 16:12.15 | drmessano | Well, one PBX for each of 4 sites with 2 lines is just... |
| 16:12.23 | drmessano | Especially when you DONT KNOW ASTERISK |
| 16:12.34 | drmessano | You are WAY better off with no PBX |
| 16:12.37 | drmessano | Less TCO |
| 16:13.15 | robl^ | drmessano: exactly! at least I know (mostly) what I am doing. |
| 16:13.19 | drmessano | yep |
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| 16:14.18 | drmessano | With two lines you're better off with 2 x 2 line phones at each site |
| 16:15.36 | robl^ | now, which port do I plug the soup can and string into? then it's Dial(TINCAN/01/5551212) right? |
| 16:15.37 | nDuff | ronr: I concur w/ [TK]D-Fender, iaxmodem is much more reliable (less crashy) than app_{tx,rx}fax. I'm one of the lurkers in #hylafax if you have trouble w/ setup. |
| 16:16.05 | [TK]D-Fender | ronr: With help jumping up like that I'd advise you take him up on it. |
| 16:16.46 | mhiku | ok il buy 1 spa3102 in each site, so now asterisk softphone can call and answer to the line connected to the spa2102 right? |
| 16:17.03 | mhiku | 3102 sorry |
| 16:17.08 | drmessano | No |
| 16:17.12 | drmessano | you still need asterisk |
| 16:17.29 | ronr | nDuff: I'll join hylafax |
| 16:18.03 | [TK]D-Fender | mhiku: And you'd need 2 x SPA-3102 for each site as each has 1 FXS, 1 FXO |
| 16:18.17 | [TK]D-Fender | mhiku: And your SPA-2002's should be returned. |
| 16:18.20 | mhiku | yes line - spa3102 - server -asterisk -softphone |
| 16:18.37 | [TK]D-Fender | mhiku: Also as each also has 1 FXS port you should use that with analog phone and forget about soft-phones. |
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| 16:18.52 | mhiku | does fxo can manage trunklines? |
| 16:19.10 | [TK]D-Fender | mhiku: Your terminology is COMPLETELY broken. |
| 16:19.14 | drmessano | lol |
| 16:19.19 | drmessano | Whats a trunk? |
| 16:19.23 | [TK]D-Fender | mhiku: "trunk lines" doesn't mean anything <- |
| 16:19.26 | FlatFoot | nelly has those |
| 16:19.31 | robl^ | softphones are only useful for occasional use.. like traveling with a laptop and need remote access to your PBX |
| 16:19.36 | coppice | the front end of an elephant |
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| 16:22.07 | Lucky7 | Hey everyone |
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| 16:22.31 | Lucky7 | I have a quick question, right now for some reason when i use the chanspy() in the dialplan |
| 16:22.36 | Lucky7 | it beeps on the otherend |
| 16:23.08 | Lucky7 | Which is fine, but I have a sales manager that will randomly peek in on the sales floor to see whats going on, and its often that the sales person will start acting differently.... |
| 16:23.17 | Lucky7 | Is there anyway to remove the beep on chanspy? |
| 16:25.53 | Lucky7 | sorry everyone |
| 16:25.57 | Lucky7 | i should have just googled it |
| 16:26.06 | Lucky7 | JFGI to myself. x,x |
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| 17:03.33 | badcfe | in order to enable user to logon the asterisk cli, is the way to go # gpasswd -a user asterisk && chmod g+w /var/run/asterisk.ctl |
| 17:03.36 | badcfe | ? |
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| 17:05.56 | badcfe | or is this unsafe because other files possible created by the asterisk client will be group-owned bu users effective groupp? |
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| 17:07.32 | tripps | question about using the jitter buffer for IAX2 channels with sipura hardware that also has jitter buffer. what is the best practice? disable jitter buffer on iax, etc.? I'm beginning to think a lot of the call quality issues we're having (every third word dropped) has something to do with the two jitter buffers stepping on each other or otherwise hardware echo cancellation on that phone getting stepped on by the jitter buffer or the other way around |
| 17:08.38 | BBHoss | tripps, if every device you have has a jb, then i think it would be safe to do jb at the client instead of server side, you could at least try it and see if it helps |
| 17:10.41 | tripps | BBHoss: I'll give it a try . . . |
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| 17:17.33 | tzafrir_laptop | badcfe, you can set the owner / group ofthe asterisk.ctl socket file in asterisk.conf |
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| 17:18.45 | hi365 | mysql isnt showing a uniqid. i have CFLAGS+=-DMYSQL_LOGUNIQUEID ot the bottom of Makefile |
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| 17:18.53 | hi365 | is there anything else i might be missing? |
| 17:21.51 | badcfe | tzafrir_laptop: okay, but may i cause it to be group-writable too? |
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| 17:23.45 | jedaustin | Hi All, I'm wondering if zaptel still has an issue running on VPS's such as Virtuozzo |
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| 17:24.20 | shido6 | what did you have in mind, jedaustin? |
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| 17:24.45 | jedaustin | shido6: I want to set up an voip only pbx on a virtual dedicated server |
| 17:25.08 | shido6 | do u want to give channels or FULL access to the card(s) ? |
| 17:25.19 | jedaustin | shido6: The server won't have cards |
| 17:25.27 | shido6 | so whats the problem? |
| 17:26.18 | jedaustin | shido6: back in 2003 zaptel wouldn't run, don't remember why - I think it had something to do with timing |
| 17:26.49 | jedaustin | I'm just wondering if anyone is running it in a virtual environment without issues |
| 17:27.04 | tzafrir_laptop | badcfe, yes. You can also set permissions there |
| 17:27.05 | shido6 | http://wiki.openvz.org/Asterisk_in_VE_with_debian_stable |
| 17:27.22 | shido6 | i run asterisk in openvz |
| 17:27.39 | shido6 | i tried virtuozzo but the sticker shock killed my employer |
| 17:27.45 | tzafrir_laptop | on Debian, though, it might be simpler to setup linux-vserver |
| 17:28.34 | badcfe | tzafrir_laptop: thanks (guess its there to permit the kind of thing i explained i want to do) |
| 17:28.43 | tzafrir_laptop | In both you'd need to mknod from the host or allow the guests to do so |
| 17:32.11 | mvanbaak | or use xen |
| 17:32.13 | mvanbaak | or vmware |
| 17:32.35 | shido6 | dont use xen or vmware if you plan to do more than single digit simul-calls |
| 17:33.04 | tripps | any thoughts about shutting off echo cancellation on sipura endpoints? i'm thinking that may be where some of the problem is as well |
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| 17:34.01 | nny_1 | wow its only noon and I already want to kill someone |
| 17:34.21 | nny_1 | i am trying to correct sendmail permissions |
| 17:34.28 | [TK]D-Fender | tripps: You have our permission. |
| 17:34.43 | syzygyBSD | nny_1: I know a couple people that need killing |
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| 17:34.45 | nny_1 | it wants "-r-xr-sr-x" |
| 17:34.46 | mvanbaak | shido6: we run asterisk in production on both xen and vmware |
| 17:34.52 | mvanbaak | works perfectly |
| 17:34.55 | shido6 | Good Luck! |
| 17:35.08 | nny_1 | anyone know what s permissions are btw? |
| 17:35.20 | mvanbaak | nny_1: setguid |
| 17:35.30 | mvanbaak | shido6: why ? |
| 17:35.37 | nny_1 | syzygyBSD: i keep thinking of steve bucemi (sic?) from billy madison |
| 17:35.45 | nny_1 | mvanbaak: hmm k |
| 17:36.09 | syzygyBSD | O'Doyall rules! |
| 17:36.40 | nny_1 | mvanbaak: i take that as "if this group executes this command, run it as the users uid?" |
| 17:36.51 | mvanbaak | shido6: who wouldn't asterisk work on xen/vmware |
| 17:37.02 | tripps | [TK]D-Fender: thanks! lol ;) |
| 17:37.32 | shido6 | my setup requires 45,000 registrations and 9200 simultaneous calls. I went with openvz because it worked. |
| 17:37.41 | shido6 | if xen and vmware is workign for you, thats GREAT! :) |
| 17:37.45 | shido6 | and GOOD LUCK! |
| 17:38.03 | shido6 | I hope wishing you Good Luck isnt a crime in your part of the world. |
| 17:38.04 | shido6 | :) |
| 17:38.09 | mvanbaak | it isn't |
| 17:38.17 | mvanbaak | I'm just wondering why it wouldn't work |
| 17:38.19 | shido6 | have some more. |
| 17:38.50 | shido6 | now Im wondering the same. |
| 17:39.13 | mvanbaak | it works on our setup |
| 17:41.14 | _x86_ | anyone ever use Adtran channel banks with Asterisk? |
| 17:41.38 | russellb | it's quite common |
| 17:41.42 | _x86_ | looking for a product number / part number to handle what I need |
| 17:42.07 | _x86_ | the only thing I'll need is a T1 interface going to Asterisk, and 24 FXS ports for stations |
| 17:42.31 | _x86_ | not doing anything crazy like drop-and-insert or anything else, no data at all |
| 17:42.53 | _x86_ | if it has a serial port for monitoring, that's all the better :) |
| 17:43.27 | _x86_ | russellb: any ideas on a model number? |
| 17:43.56 | russellb | not off of the top of my head ... there are multiple options that fit that ... |
| 17:44.23 | _x86_ | yeah, I'm looking for the lowest cost option :) |
| 17:44.30 | russellb | heh, gotcha |
| 17:44.38 | _x86_ | any suggestions? |
| 17:44.50 | mvanbaak | grandstream BT-2400 ;) |
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| 17:45.03 | _x86_ | haha |
| 17:45.12 | _x86_ | this suite is black..... NOT |
| 17:45.21 | mvanbaak | whehehehe |
| 17:46.01 | mvanbaak | lets hope gs does not read this, or they'll create a channelbank just by glueing 24 ATA286's together |
| 17:46.12 | drmessano | Whaa |
| 17:46.15 | jedaustin | hahaha |
| 17:46.17 | drmessano | Whats wrong with that |
| 17:46.18 | daftech | lol |
| 17:46.38 | drmessano | Good glue, beefy power supply |
| 17:46.50 | drmessano | 24 way power cord |
| 17:46.52 | mvanbaak | drmessano: the fact that you'll need 24 power outleds |
| 17:46.59 | jedaustin | shido6: openvz is the basis for virtuozzo right? |
| 17:47.05 | drmessano | Nah |
| 17:47.10 | drmessano | 24 way power cord |
| 17:47.15 | drmessano | Bigger supply |
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| 17:47.21 | tzafrir_laptop | jedaustin, yes |
| 17:47.24 | mvanbaak | drmessano: lol |
| 17:47.25 | mvanbaak | 9 |
| 17:47.26 | shido6 | its the free version of virtuozzo, yep |
| 17:47.30 | _x86_ | anyone have a suggestion for a low-cost adtran channel bank with 24 FXS ports and 1 T1 interface to Asterisk? |
| 17:47.40 | shido6 | flebay |
| 17:47.54 | drmessano | Anyone know the PS voltage for the ATA286? |
| 17:48.04 | _x86_ | shido6: part number? |
| 17:48.12 | shido6 | google |
| 17:48.29 | mvanbaak | _x86_: sorry, cant help you |
| 17:48.47 | _x86_ | shido6: thanks for the non-help |
| 17:49.00 | shido6 | just like asking how to breath |
| 17:49.02 | mvanbaak | drmessano: it comes with a 5v or 9v powersupply |
| 17:49.25 | _x86_ | shido6: there are not 9000 different ways to breathe ;) |
| 17:49.37 | _x86_ | shido6: there are about 9000 different models of adtran channel banks, though |
| 17:49.37 | shido6 | checkout yoga |
| 17:49.42 | _x86_ | gah |
| 17:49.50 | _x86_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:49.50 | shido6 | call adtran |
| 17:49.51 | _x86_ | oops |
| 17:49.52 | shido6 | and ask them |
| 17:50.10 | _x86_ | shido6: was looking for someone that has used them before to provide insight |
| 17:50.13 | _x86_ | but thanks anyway |
| 17:50.18 | shido6 | voi-info |
| 17:50.22 | shido6 | voip-info |
| 17:50.41 | shido6 | http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/adtran |
| 17:51.25 | [TK]D-Fender | _x86_: Rhino </3 ? |
| 17:51.54 | nny_1 | If i just rm the voicemails in a test account, does that essentially do the same thing as the user removing them, or is there a more eloquent way? |
| 17:52.32 | mvanbaak | nny_1: it's basically the same |
| 17:52.37 | nny_1 | cool |
| 17:52.39 | _x86_ | [TK]D-Fender: I've had to return (3) rhino channel banks (out of 20 or so) |
| 17:52.49 | _x86_ | [TK]D-Fender: I'm not happy about that |
| 17:53.10 | shido6 | Xorcom |
| 17:53.13 | shido6 | Astribank-24 |
| 17:53.15 | _x86_ | was thinking about that |
| 17:53.18 | [TK]D-Fender | _x86_: Keep fishing for more Zaptel craziness :) |
| 17:53.21 | shido6 | kick ass |
| 17:53.24 | shido6 | with USB |
| 17:53.41 | jedaustin | I second that. Once you get them set up they're nice |
| 17:53.48 | _x86_ | shido6: [TK]D-Fender was telling me to stay away from USB channel banks like the plague |
| 17:53.54 | _ShrikE | _x86_: TA750 is good one and fairly reasonable on ebay. |
| 17:54.01 | [TK]D-Fender | _x86_: And Zaptel FXS period <- |
| 17:54.09 | _x86_ | and actually, my server is ~200ft from the wiring closet where my channel banks go |
| 17:54.14 | _ShrikE | _x86_: When using channelbanks I prefer Adit600 though |
| 17:54.15 | nny_1 | speaking of which, the voicemail.conf file says no limit by default, but i am getting voicemailfull on 10 messages.. gonna re read the conf file |
| 17:54.23 | trippss | after on * console with -cvr I can use "iax2 show netstats" just fine. when doing from outside using asterisk -rx 'iax2 show netstats' * tells me iax2 is not a command . . . ? |
| 17:54.24 | shido6 | then go adtran or carrier access or rhino and a t1 card |
| 17:54.31 | _x86_ | _ShrikE: heard a lot of people say that too... |
| 17:54.45 | _x86_ | shido6: having problems with rhino ;) |
| 17:54.48 | nny_1 | l9ol nm |
| 17:54.55 | nny_1 | someone slipped a maxmsg=10 in there |
| 17:54.56 | nny_1 | :\ |
| 17:54.57 | shido6 | how much do you want for your rhino? |
| 17:55.06 | mvanbaak | nny_1: ;) |
| 17:55.19 | *** join/#asterisk CunningPike (n=arodgers@204.239.8.157) |
| 17:56.00 | _x86_ | shido6: which one? |
| 17:56.16 | shido6 | the one you're having trouble with (? ) |
| 17:56.19 | lmadsen | if anyone wants a Cisco 7970, I have one I want to sell. Very lightly used (just sat on my desk at home for the last 6 months) |
| 17:56.22 | shido6 | is it for sale? |
| 17:56.27 | _x86_ | shido6: I've got two right now that are bad... one has 3 ports that no longer work, the other has about 8 ports |
| 17:56.38 | shido6 | how much do you want for it? |
| 17:56.39 | lmadsen | (would prefer to ship within' Canada) |
| 17:56.58 | _x86_ | lmadsen: how much are you asking? |
| 17:57.29 | lmadsen | _x86_: I honestly have no idea what their worth... has a power block as well... like... $400 obo |
| 17:57.30 | lmadsen | ? |
| 17:57.36 | lmadsen | s/their/they're |
| 17:58.00 | _x86_ | ouch ;) |
| 17:58.07 | _ShrikE | lmadsen: is that a sip or sccp phone? |
| 17:58.16 | _x86_ | I prefer Polycom, and I can get (2) IP600's for that ;) |
| 17:58.19 | *** join/#asterisk rcahilig (n=sysadmin@203.115.187.98) |
| 17:58.21 | lmadsen | _ShrikE: either one (just install firmware) |
| 17:58.31 | lmadsen | right now I have it set to SCCP because I was testing chan_skinny |
| 17:58.40 | mvanbaak | lmadsen: is that the cisco with graphical display and stuff ? |
| 17:58.44 | lmadsen | _x86_: like I said... obo :) |
| 17:58.54 | lmadsen | mvanbaak: ya, the colour touchscreen one |
| 17:59.15 | mvanbaak | what you want to have for it |
| 17:59.28 | rcahilig | guys how to MusicOnHold without mpg123? |
| 17:59.47 | mvanbaak | rcahilig: use the file method |
| 17:59.50 | _ShrikE | lmadsen: I'm interested but not in canada. You could ship on our fedex account though. |
| 17:59.51 | [TK]D-Fender | rcahilig: "mode=files" + asterisk-addons |
| 18:00.00 | mvanbaak | the default musiconhold.conf file has some nice text there |
| 18:00.17 | lmadsen | _ShrikE: that'd work too -- I just don't want to pay the duty :) |
| 18:00.20 | jblack | Yay. I got my spa-8k |
| 18:00.40 | _ShrikE | lmadsen: pm you for the details? |
| 18:00.56 | Qwell | lmadsen: \o/ |
| 18:00.58 | lmadsen | _ShrikE: just email leif.madsen@gmail.com -- I'm just about to head out the door, but I'll reply when I return in a few hours |
| 18:01.11 | lmadsen | I'm located in Toronto, ON, Canada fyi |
| 18:01.13 | _ShrikE | lmadsen: sure thing. thanks |
| 18:01.22 | [TK]D-Fender | jblack: \o/ |
| 18:01.24 | lmadsen | I have the original box, manuals, power brick, etc... |
| 18:01.51 | lmadsen | having 7 VoIP phones on my desk is getting a bit ridiculous :D |
| 18:02.03 | nny_1 | so.. I have confirmed that asterisk can use sendmail (tested with user asterisk) and I have seen the Sent mail to kenneth.myers@gmail.com with command '/usr/sbin/sendmail -t' in debug.. but no mail, and nothing in spam folder etc |
| 18:02.06 | nny_1 | any other ideas? |
| 18:02.10 | drmessano | Only 7? |
| 18:02.14 | drmessano | Underling |
| 18:02.17 | lmadsen | drmessano: ya, I'm just a rookie :) |
| 18:02.36 | lmadsen | Linksys, Mitel, Cisco, Polycom... |
| 18:02.52 | [TK]D-Fender | nny_1: Dumped your outbound queue yet? |
| 18:03.00 | lmadsen | ok, off to BestBuy, lates all |
| 18:03.09 | Qwell | lmadsen: they have BB there too? O.,o |
| 18:03.09 | syzygyBSD | lmadsen: ya, I cleaned up a while ago, got down to 1.. |
| 18:03.13 | rcahilig | what are supported format? Does it support wav? |
| 18:03.19 | lmadsen | Qwell: BB? |
| 18:03.19 | [TK]D-Fender | nny_1: Could be thats its just flatly regected for something common like invalid host, etc. |
| 18:03.24 | Qwell | ...bestbuy |
| 18:03.28 | lmadsen | oh! :) |
| 18:03.29 | syzygyBSD | lmadsen: try to talk some sense into the geek squad over there |
| 18:03.29 | [TK]D-Fender | Qwell: yes |
| 18:03.29 | lmadsen | yes... they do |
| 18:03.37 | Qwell | BB *and* futureshop? |
| 18:03.40 | lmadsen | syzygyBSD: sounds like wasted cycles to me :) |
| 18:03.41 | jblack | s/tried/tries. |
| 18:03.44 | lmadsen | Qwell: yes... we have both :) |
| 18:03.48 | [TK]D-Fender | Qwell: BB *owns* FutureShop |
| 18:03.51 | lmadsen | Futureshop is owned by BestBuy |
| 18:03.51 | Qwell | aren't they...the same...company? |
| 18:03.52 | Qwell | so wtf |
| 18:03.55 | *** join/#asterisk fskrotzki (n=fskrotzk@host.textwise.com) |
| 18:03.55 | syzygyBSD | lmadsen: indeed, that is why it should be you not me ;p |
| 18:03.57 | *** join/#asterisk Lawbringer (n=Lawbring@cpc4-rdng12-0-0-cust292.winn.cable.ntl.com) |
| 18:04.02 | Qwell | rebrand, kthx |
| 18:04.05 | drmessano | I'm sure [TK]D-Fender doesn't have 7 phones on his desk, and he's a braggart ;) |
| 18:04.11 | lmadsen | Qwell: Futureshop was originally Canadian, so they didn't want to alienate us :) |
| 18:04.12 | [TK]D-Fender | Qwell: Its called "flood the market where all roads lead to Rome" |
| 18:04.18 | syzygyBSD | compusa is up to 30% off right now |
| 18:04.25 | lmadsen | plus, BB employees get commision, FS does not |
| 18:04.30 | Qwell | syzygyBSD: +100%, -30% |
| 18:04.33 | drmessano | syzygyBSD: Normal price then? |
| 18:04.33 | Qwell | that's hardly a deal :) |
| 18:04.36 | [TK]D-Fender | drmessano: Braggart? *I*? never |
| 18:04.38 | drmessano | lol |
| 18:04.47 | jblack | huh, that's not much of an instruction book. |
| 18:04.49 | *** join/#asterisk nkoth (n=HP_Owner@bas4-ottawa23-1167864118.dsl.bell.ca) |
| 18:04.55 | drmessano | CompUSA at 40% off is a bad day at Newegg |
| 18:04.56 | syzygyBSD | drmessano: pretty much |
| 18:05.01 | Qwell | drmessano: yeah, really |
| 18:05.06 | [TK]D-Fender | lmadsen: and BB's prices are worse... where do you think the commission comes from? :) |
| 18:05.16 | syzygyBSD | I bought a laptop there... same price as everywhere |
| 18:05.26 | syzygyBSD | course, it was an apple... |
| 18:05.40 | drmessano | I had a corporate account at CompUSA.. dumbest. People. Ever. |
| 18:05.57 | nny_1 | [TK]D-Fender: so is there a chance that sending the email via "sendmail kenneth.myers@gmail.com" as asterisk can work, but asterisk sending the email with sendmail -t won't?? I was hoping the two would be the same for test purposes |
| 18:06.15 | jblack | wait, I configure this thing by phone, not website? |
| 18:06.23 | [TK]D-Fender | nny_1: Go check your queue... |
| 18:06.32 | syzygyBSD | nny_1: and your logs |
| 18:06.42 | drmessano | nny_1: and your first born |
| 18:06.43 | [TK]D-Fender | jblack: you use a phone just to gets its IP via DHCP, etc. |
| 18:06.48 | *** join/#asterisk dundel (n=daniel@200.2.161.85) |
| 18:06.57 | [TK]D-Fender | jblack: Then you can HTTp into it. |
| 18:07.04 | [TK]D-Fender | jblack: Same as every ATA they ever made |
| 18:07.11 | mvanbaak | you can also check your dhcp server logs to see what ip it got |
| 18:07.21 | drmessano | **** then 110# |
| 18:07.24 | [TK]D-Fender | jblack: DTMF method is just a lot easier :) |
| 18:07.32 | jblack | It looks easy, yeah. |
| 18:07.36 | nny_1 | lol |
| 18:07.41 | [TK]D-Fender | jblack: **** then 110# |
| 18:07.51 | mvanbaak | hhmm, tail -f is easier for me then getting a phone from the store ;) |
| 18:07.51 | drmessano | It gets no easier |
| 18:07.53 | jblack | If only I had a ******* phone to configure it. ;) |
| 18:08.02 | nny_1 | mailq says empty |
| 18:08.10 | mvanbaak | nny_1: then check your logs |
| 18:08.21 | drmessano | Get a phone, thats the #1 requirement of asterisk.. even the windows version :) |
| 18:08.34 | nny_1 | mvanbaak: looking, mail.err shows last error at 12:30 when I was working on correcting group membership |
| 18:08.41 | jblack | Hey, a phone for a telephony system does sound like a good idea. |
| 18:08.56 | drmessano | Unless you have no friends.. which is not uncommon :( |
| 18:08.58 | jblack | That's like cereal with milk. |
| 18:09.09 | nny_1 | mvanbaak: hmm |
| 18:09.09 | jblack | I have no friends. Just people that act like friends when they want something. |
| 18:09.15 | drmessano | lol |
| 18:09.19 | Qwell | jblack: that's called "family" |
| 18:09.19 | [TK]D-Fender | jblack: Holy shit... careful... you'll start a revolution! |
| 18:09.20 | drmessano | I have a few of those |
| 18:09.20 | nny_1 | mvanbaak: ok mail.log shows something interesting m07I133p013293: DSN: Service unavailable |
| 18:09.30 | mvanbaak | there you go |
| 18:09.56 | drmessano | Friend of mine just set up an IPKALL number, AGAIN, on my PBX for his line.. I said "Cool, maybe we'll talk sometime" |
| 18:09.59 | nny_1 | what is DSN? |
| 18:10.00 | mvanbaak | cereal and beer is a good alternative for cereal and milk |
| 18:10.14 | drmessano | BEEREAL |
| 18:10.22 | nny_1 | lol googling |
| 18:10.26 | nny_1 | meh pussies |
| 18:10.28 | nny_1 | cereal and whickey |
| 18:10.33 | jblack | My first ATA.. it's like... my first wireless router, or my first pda. wee! The ones in the future, just some other repeat hardware device. This one is the first. ;) |
| 18:10.33 | mvanbaak | DSN = Delivery Status Notification |
| 18:10.34 | nny_1 | er whiskey (hic*) |
| 18:11.07 | drmessano | My first ATA was a Vonage configged PAP2.. |
| 18:11.28 | *** join/#asterisk grEvenX (n=even@pc107-130.ktv.no) |
| 18:11.36 | mvanbaak | my first sony^WATA was a gs 286 |
| 18:11.38 | drmessano | Friend of mine bought it, paid for the $30 for 3 months.. told me to try it |
| 18:11.44 | drmessano | jblack: it wont |
| 18:11.58 | jblack | Oh, man. |
| 18:11.59 | drmessano | 6 months later I unlocked it and started using Asterisk lol |
| 18:12.14 | jblack | I hope the phones can be set statically. |
| 18:12.21 | *** join/#asterisk ddunavant (n=David@68-245-85-227.area3.spcsdns.net) |
| 18:12.23 | drmessano | Um |
| 18:12.30 | mvanbaak | jblack: the ones you gonna connect to the |
| 18:12.33 | drmessano | Not gonna use a umm.. |
| 18:12.34 | mvanbaak | jblack: the ones you gonna connect to the ATA ? |
| 18:12.34 | drmessano | whats it called |
| 18:12.37 | drmessano | Asterisk box? |
| 18:13.02 | jblack | mvanbaak: Yeah. |
| 18:13.07 | drmessano | Um |
| 18:13.11 | drmessano | POTS phones? |
| 18:13.16 | nny_1 | ermm |
| 18:13.17 | mvanbaak | jblack: those will be analog phones right ? |
| 18:13.19 | nny_1 | wait |
| 18:13.20 | nny_1 | damnit |
| 18:13.22 | mvanbaak | they dont need an IP |
| 18:13.24 | drmessano | Yes, POTS phones have static IP |
| 18:13.29 | drmessano | SO youre fine |
| 18:13.29 | nny_1 | i need a test email server that won't toy with my emtions |
| 18:13.35 | jblack | This is an ethernet ATA. |
| 18:13.45 | drmessano | lol |
| 18:13.50 | nny_1 | mvanbaak: the previous message in log says "Accepted", about 1 second before |
| 18:13.54 | jblack | As I understand this toy, It's going to turn 8 analog phones into a sip phones. |
| 18:13.55 | mvanbaak | ah, I thought a token ring ATA |
| 18:13.55 | nny_1 | than DSN says unavailable |
| 18:13.56 | drmessano | The device will need a static IP or DHCP'ed |
| 18:14.01 | drmessano | It cant be its own DHCP server |
| 18:14.09 | nny_1 | mvanbaak: but i can send an email directly to the account via cli sendmail |
| 18:14.24 | nny_1 | mvanbaak: sadly, our other asterisk box can send to gmail no problem |
| 18:14.43 | mvanbaak | nny_1: did you set the sender email address in voicemail.conf ? |
| 18:14.49 | *** join/#asterisk nybbled (n=nybbled@about/apple/performa/nybble) |
| 18:14.51 | drmessano | I set my ATAs using DHCP with reservations |
| 18:14.55 | mvanbaak | nny_1: did you add the asterisk user to the trusted_users of your sendmail ? |
| 18:15.07 | jblack | No, I can set an ip for the _device_. Isn't each analog phone hooked up going to correspond to a new IP address for individual sop connections? |
| 18:15.15 | mvanbaak | jblack: no |
| 18:15.24 | drmessano | no |
| 18:15.25 | mvanbaak | jblack: the ATA will have an ip address, and that's it |
| 18:15.30 | jblack | Oh, ok. Awesome |
| 18:15.31 | drmessano | Thats what an ATA does |
| 18:15.32 | nny_1 | mvanbaak: hmm left the sender as the default, as it doesn't *have* a real email address, as far as trusted users I can check, the other two we have set up required no such thing |
| 18:15.46 | drmessano | One IP and 8 ports |
| 18:15.55 | drmessano | 5060 to 5067 probably |
| 18:16.10 | jblack | I imagined this working as a device that simulated 8 independant ATAs. i can see why it doesn't have to be that smart. |
| 18:16.14 | nny_1 | mvanbaak: actually the sender email is the *same* as the one that works, we copied the voicmail.conf over and edited slightly during troubleshooting |
| 18:16.14 | mvanbaak | jblack: the ATA will need 8 registrations to asterisk, but they will all use the same ip address |
| 18:16.20 | mvanbaak | jblack: just another port number |
| 18:16.24 | jblack | That's absolutely perfect then. |
| 18:16.42 | drmessano | Its more or less an 8 line phone with kludge :) |
| 18:16.57 | drmessano | Why cant you use the ISP server? |
| 18:17.06 | nny_1 | drmessano: lack of knowledge? |
| 18:17.07 | mvanbaak | nny_1: you CAN use the ISP smtp server |
| 18:17.10 | nny_1 | drmessano: :) |
| 18:17.22 | nny_1 | mvanbaak: well I can set the relay to the local smtp server right? |
| 18:17.27 | drmessano | Yes |
| 18:17.27 | mvanbaak | nny_1: just forget about the whole sendmail mess and install something like ssmtp |
| 18:17.35 | *** join/#asterisk nybbled (n=nybbled@about/apple/performa/nybble) |
| 18:17.36 | drmessano | sendmail works fine |
| 18:17.39 | drmessano | 3 lines to edit |
| 18:17.44 | drmessano | From default |
| 18:17.46 | mvanbaak | in m4 format yeah |
| 18:17.48 | mvanbaak | blegh |
| 18:18.05 | drmessano | So, who cares.. once you set it, its done |
| 18:18.06 | nny_1 | either way, i know if this was a 100 phone setup, the system should and it would be a lot easier.. but this is a simple setup |
| 18:18.21 | mvanbaak | nny_1: it's a simple setup today |
| 18:18.31 | mvanbaak | maybe in a couple of months it's a complicated setup |
| 18:18.34 | nny_1 | i dunno whats best, just frustrated atm.. yeah i figure.. |
| 18:18.39 | mvanbaak | so be sure to setup things right from the start |
| 18:18.45 | nny_1 | mvanbaak: i agree |
| 18:19.00 | mvanbaak | so, let it relay to the ISP smtp box |
| 18:19.19 | nny_1 | mvanbaak: ok let me look up how to do that |
| 18:19.49 | BBHoss | jblack, what kind of ata do you have? |
| 18:20.33 | jblack | SPA 8K |
| 18:20.45 | mvanbaak | hhmm, I should fix dinner |
| 18:20.51 | jblack | Has anyone used to wall-wart phone line extensions? Have they worked well? |
| 18:21.02 | drmessano | I make my own |
| 18:21.08 | drmessano | They should be fine |
| 18:21.19 | drmessano | Line is a line |
| 18:21.22 | drmessano | They're all cheap |
| 18:21.27 | vizo | hello |
| 18:21.38 | mvanbaak | no wall-wart in .nl but we have some stores like that and their lines are fine |
| 18:22.14 | jblack | Ok, so that takes care of two lines. That cuts the number of lines to run down to two. |
| 18:22.22 | vizo | I just installed asterisk for the first time today on gentoo. Does anyone know if there are some sample conf files to get me stated? |
| 18:22.24 | drmessano | It doesnt matter HOW good the ends are, or HOW good the cable is.. you ARE going to step on it, suck the end into the brush under the vacuum, or the dog will chew it |
| 18:22.28 | drmessano | So a line is a line |
| 18:22.45 | vizo | stated =started |
| 18:22.55 | drmessano | ~book |
| 18:22.55 | jbot | Asterisk: The Future of Telephony 2nd Edition (ISBN 0-596-51048-9) --- Order yours at http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/9780596510480/ --- Free downloadable PDF http://downloads.oreilly.com/books/9780596510480.pdf --- HTML at http://tfot.leifmadsen.com |
| 18:23.00 | drmessano | Read the book |
| 18:23.04 | drmessano | Drink the Kool Aid |
| 18:23.07 | vizo | got a sft phne up and get a dila tone |
| 18:23.09 | mvanbaak | vizo: run: make samples |
| 18:23.44 | vizo | in the aterisks CLI? |
| 18:23.55 | mvanbaak | no, in the dir where the asterisk sources are |
| 18:24.07 | vizo | ah ok |
| 18:24.27 | mvanbaak | it did tell you that after you ran 'make install' though |
| 18:24.44 | vizo | well I used emerge |
| 18:24.51 | mvanbaak | ah |
| 18:24.59 | vizo | so it might be different |
| 18:25.01 | *** part/#asterisk rcahilig (n=sysadmin@203.115.187.98) |
| 18:25.01 | mvanbaak | then I have no idea |
| 18:25.17 | mvanbaak | maybe there's a emerge package 'asterisk-config' or something |
| 18:25.38 | mvanbaak | anyway, emerge downloads and compiles sources right ? |
| 18:25.48 | mvanbaak | so the asterisk sources should be on your system somewhere |
| 18:26.31 | vizo | mvanbaak: yeah lokking for the now |
| 18:37.27 | nny_1 | mvanbaak: heh can't seem to find a proper howto for sendmail relay,.. found a red hat one, but not enough of the suggested changes even match this setup (using dapper 6.06 LTS) |
| 18:37.37 | *** join/#asterisk Greek-Boy (n=email@41.221.58.5) |
| 18:40.31 | *** join/#asterisk mintee (n=mintee@72-165-177-90.dia.static.qwest.net) |
| 18:40.39 | mintee | what's the link for the oriely book? |
| 18:42.05 | Qwell | ~book |
| 18:42.06 | jbot | Asterisk: The Future of Telephony 2nd Edition (ISBN 0-596-51048-9) --- Order yours at http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/9780596510480/ --- Free downloadable PDF http://downloads.oreilly.com/books/9780596510480.pdf --- HTML at http://tfot.leifmadsen.com |
| 18:42.35 | mintee | danka... wasn't sure if the bot controller was ! or not |
| 18:45.44 | hmmhesays | oh updating my wiki |
| 18:45.45 | hmmhesays | so fun |
| 18:45.51 | *** part/#asterisk mintee (n=mintee@72-165-177-90.dia.static.qwest.net) |
| 18:49.54 | *** join/#asterisk ghenry (n=ghenry@85-189-244-101.daisydsl.managedbroadband.co.uk) |
| 18:50.31 | *** join/#asterisk adeel (n=adeel@c-24-7-132-155.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 18:51.01 | trippss | do most us telcos support SMS inbound/outbound on their PRIs? (am i asking the right question even) |
| 18:52.45 | UnixDog | ok voip-info wiki is in need of a rewrite |
| 18:53.19 | UnixDog | really each module of asterisk needs a wiki page explaing how to use it and its commands |
| 18:53.40 | adeel | does anyone have any experience running asterisk behind MS Small business server? |
| 18:53.42 | hardwire | it *almost* does |
| 18:53.44 | UnixDog | nI dont have enough inside to every piece |
| 18:53.47 | tzafrir_laptop | UnixDog, but asterisk has a built-in reference |
| 18:54.01 | adeel | i can't seem to get an asterisk box to work properly behind it (no real familiarity with SMBS) |
| 18:54.18 | *** join/#asterisk waKKu (n=eurulo@unaffiliated/wakku) |
| 18:54.38 | tzafrir_laptop | UnixDog, start adding such a page for one module... |
| 18:55.03 | UnixDog | well I am I am working on a new pocketsphinx with asterisk page |
| 18:55.15 | UnixDog | and flite with asterisk |
| 18:55.21 | UnixDog | so I have 2 in the works |
| 18:55.34 | *** join/#asterisk CrazyTux (n=CrazyTux@216-110-94-231.static.twtelecom.net) |
| 18:56.38 | *** join/#asterisk Victor_Yure (n=aaa@200.166.132.131) |
| 18:57.29 | nny_1 | gah crap |
| 18:57.36 | nny_1 | ssmtp gives me 501 Incorrect Address Format |
| 18:59.59 | nny_1 | wow what a bunch of horseshit |
| 19:00.07 | nny_1 | i can't even google the 501 error |
| 19:00.20 | nny_1 | yay for worthless error logs |
| 19:00.25 | vizo | hmm get this now when I run asterisks: Note: Illegal Audio-MPEG-Header 0x00000000 at offset 0x1d9924 trying to resync. |
| 19:00.38 | [TK]D-Fender | nny_1: Then stare at the adress till your eyes bleed |
| 19:00.41 | vizo | this is after I put the samples in |
| 19:00.48 | nny_1 | [TK]D-Fender: heh which address!? |
| 19:00.53 | nny_1 | [TK]D-Fender: thats the GD problem |
| 19:00.54 | [TK]D-Fender | nny_1: BOTH |
| 19:01.04 | nny_1 | [TK]D-Fender: ok well kenneth.myers@gmail.com is damn perfect |
| 19:01.06 | *** join/#asterisk tobias (n=tobias@user-0ce2hr3.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 19:01.07 | nny_1 | front and back |
| 19:01.09 | [TK]D-Fender | nny_1: First I'd suspec the adress its claiming to SEND from <- |
| 19:01.56 | nny_1 | [TK]D-Fender: yeah and i found some threads about mail@foo.com> vs. <mail@foo.com> etc. but the formatting in voicemail.conf is exactly as it worked before |
| 19:02.17 | drmessano | lol |
| 19:02.20 | nny_1 | [TK]D-Fender: i don't even know who or what is throwing the error |
| 19:02.21 | *** join/#asterisk mog (n=mog@c-68-62-172-83.hsd1.al.comcast.net) |
| 19:02.21 | *** mode/#asterisk [+o mog] by ChanServ |
| 19:02.28 | drmessano | Wow |
| 19:02.30 | nny_1 | is it the smtp server? my grandmother from the grave? |
| 19:02.32 | drmessano | Sendmail is THIS hard? |
| 19:02.34 | drmessano | 4 lines |
| 19:02.57 | nny_1 | drmessano: oh please.. i have 2 that work and this one sucks donkey balls, trust me, i have no desire to fuck with it this much |
| 19:03.14 | drmessano | So throw a default config in |
| 19:03.16 | drmessano | and start over |
| 19:03.26 | nny_1 | drmessano: .... |
| 19:03.27 | trippss | hell is there echo cancellation on the spa-962? i can't find it where it is for other sipuras |
| 19:03.33 | nny_1 | drmessano: I can send from the cli |
| 19:03.35 | nny_1 | asterisk cant |
| 19:03.49 | nny_1 | i can send fromt he cli as the asterisk user* |
| 19:04.15 | [TK]D-Fender | nny_1: this is the point where you pastebin the full queue entry to examine... |
| 19:04.21 | drmessano | Sounds like you've tried too hard and reversed something that was a working default |
| 19:04.38 | nny_1 | [TK]D-Fender: how do I get the queue entry? |
| 19:04.52 | [TK]D-Fender | nny_1: "man sendmail" |
| 19:05.00 | drmessano | lol |
| 19:05.07 | drmessano | oh, man |
| 19:05.16 | nny_1 | drmessano: oh jesus I agree.. I shouldn't have to freaking add the user to the sendmail groups on one machine and not the other either |
| 19:06.19 | nny_1 | and FWIW i have not fucked with sendmail.cf AT ALL |
| 19:06.58 | nny_1 | and yeah i know how to do sendmail -bp or mailq, but both show empty queues |
| 19:07.18 | mvanbaak | that's what I keep telling my wife: "Honestly, I have not fucked with the hot neighbour AT ALL" |
| 19:07.43 | nny_1 | whatever if you dont fucking believe me |
| 19:07.43 | mvanbaak | nny_1: if the queue is empty it's either mailed or bounced |
| 19:07.45 | [TK]D-Fender | nny_1: look in your send history / logs, etc |
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| 19:11.10 | hmmhesays | I'm curious if asterisk manager fires an event when it bridges a channel |
| 19:11.44 | drmessano | Linux is kinda stupid, if you ask me |
| 19:11.45 | drmessano | Like |
| 19:11.56 | drmessano | If I have some app that needs to send an email message |
| 19:12.06 | drmessano | It picks the installed MTA and uses it |
| 19:12.12 | drmessano | Dumbass OS |
| 19:12.27 | mvanbaak | huh ? |
| 19:12.32 | mvanbaak | why is that dumbass ? |
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| 19:12.38 | drmessano | Thats called sarcasm |
| 19:12.49 | dbtid | hello; has anyone used a UTStarCom F3000 successfully with ASterisk? |
| 19:12.59 | mvanbaak | gheh |
| 19:12.59 | dbtid | i'm going through the VoIP stuff in Chapter 4, and having problems... |
| 19:13.00 | mvanbaak | sorry |
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| 19:14.56 | Assid | hi |
| 19:15.21 | Assid | i am trying to install zaptel from source on a debian box |
| 19:15.32 | hmmhesays | fun |
| 19:15.37 | Assid | i installed the source and headers package, but still zaptel refuses to compile |
| 19:16.02 | Assid | can someone help me get this up |
| 19:16.04 | mvanbaak | pastebin the error |
| 19:16.06 | tzafrir_laptop | Assid, ./install_prereq test |
| 19:16.18 | tzafrir_laptop | Do you have anything missinf? |
| 19:16.34 | mvanbaak | tzafrir_laptop: is that one in stable zaptel ? |
| 19:16.52 | Assid | err.. the zaptel is older than thecurrent.. actually |
| 19:17.01 | tzafrir_laptop | in 1.4.7 and slightly older) - yes |
| 19:17.07 | mvanbaak | ah |
| 19:17.12 | Assid | hold on.. lemme go get thelatest |
| 19:17.31 | Assid | i had this box up.. and was under the impression it worked |
| 19:17.38 | mvanbaak | svn co http://svn.digium.com/svn/zaptel/branches/1.4 zaptel-1.4 |
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| 19:18.01 | tzafrir_laptop | wget http://svn.digium.com/svn/zaptel/branches/1.4/install_prereq |
| 19:18.44 | mvanbaak | or install the binaries from xorcom |
| 19:19.19 | [TK]D-Fender | Assid: Impressions are best left to trained comedians... |
| 19:20.27 | mvanbaak | if you're looking for one, [TK]D-Fender is one |
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| 19:23.15 | Assid | yeay thanks |
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| 19:23.39 | Assid | still installing 1.4.5.1 |
| 19:23.45 | [TK]D-Fender | mvanbaak: Mine was a "Streetsville High" apprenticeship... |
| 19:26.08 | Assid | http://assid.pastebin.com/d5af95eb8 |
| 19:26.23 | Assid | getting a different error now |
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| 19:29.13 | mvanbaak | I'm off |
| 19:29.15 | mvanbaak | latero all |
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| 19:36.14 | Assid | err.. im getting the same error for the latest zaptel |
| 19:37.08 | tzafrir_laptop | Assid, you don't have -lm (libm), which is part of libc |
| 19:37.37 | tzafrir_laptop | Either you have a very strange configuration, or you don't have libc6-dev installed |
| 19:37.46 | tzafrir_laptop | Have you tried ./install_prereq test |
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| 19:38.44 | Assid | yeah it required the sources.. it downloaded that and went ahead |
| 19:38.50 | Assid | dong the dev packages now |
| 19:39.29 | Assid | can i have only the zaptel packageupdated and everything else older? |
| 19:44.33 | [TK]D-Fender | Assid: if the versions are close enough in compatibility, yes. |
| 19:44.44 | Assid | hrmm ok |
| 19:44.49 | Assid | might as well update asterisk as well |
| 19:45.06 | Assid | dont need to do libpri right? if i dont have any pri devide |
| 19:45.08 | Assid | device |
| 19:46.01 | [TK]D-Fender | Assid: Correct |
| 19:46.33 | Assid | kudos.. thanks |
| 19:46.45 | Assid | hopefully dont face a problem |
| 19:49.01 | tzafrir_laptop | Assid, if it still shows some required packages, it means you don't have them instlled |
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| 19:49.02 | tzafrir_laptop | have you tried running the command from there? |
| 19:49.02 | tzafrir_laptop | or: ./install_prereq install |
| 19:49.33 | Assid | test completed successfully |
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| 19:53.54 | Assid | okay installled everything |
| 19:53.57 | Assid | but now theres a problem |
| 19:54.05 | Assid | it doesnt playback gsm files |
| 19:54.14 | Assid | dont know if its gsm only |
| 19:54.21 | Assid | but i know the ivr doesnt work |
| 19:54.55 | [TK]D-Fender | Assid: what GCCC are you using? |
| 19:55.11 | ManxPower | Assid: Too bad you can't find out if it's only GSM files or not. |
| 19:55.36 | ManxPower | That's the first thing *I* would figure out. |
| 19:55.49 | Assid | gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21) |
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| 19:56.03 | jblack | ok. |
| 19:56.46 | Assid | and i think its because it compiled for x86_64 |
| 19:57.15 | ManxPower | Assid: sounds like you are making unfounded assumptions to me. |
| 19:59.35 | Assid | need to play a ulaw file.. but what |
| 20:00.12 | Assid | i know the voicemailmain doesnt work either |
| 20:01.23 | ManxPower | sounds to me like the classic "you have a zaptel card installed and configured but do not have a line plugged into it, so there is no timing, so there is no audio" problem |
| 20:01.56 | ManxPower | But since you hang out here often, you already knew to check for that, didn't you? |
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| 20:02.34 | Assid | I think that the zaptel hardware you have on your system is: |
| 20:02.40 | Assid | that comes empty when i installed zaptel |
| 20:02.45 | dbtid | i'm going through the VoIP stuff in Chapter 4, and having problems... |
| 20:02.49 | dbtid | hello; has anyone used a UTStarCom F3000 successfully with ASterisk? |
| 20:03.45 | Assid | what do i do if the zaptel hardware is mentioned as empty |
| 20:03.50 | [TK]D-Fender | dbtid: Likely, got another question? |
| 20:03.57 | Assid | shouldnt it catch as zaptel dummy? |
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| 20:04.33 | ManxPower | Assid: if you have no zaptel cards installed you won't experience that specific problem |
| 20:04.55 | Assid | ManxPower: but im getting no audio now |
| 20:05.04 | ManxPower | If you are using ztdummy, then maybe you are experiencing the classic "ztdummy does not work on some systems" problem |
| 20:05.30 | CrazyTux | Assid, check your logs, |
| 20:05.31 | ManxPower | Assid: there are at least a half a dozen reasons for no audio |
| 20:05.37 | CrazyTux | Assid, I'm guessing your frequency is off |
| 20:05.54 | jblack | wtf. The wpa8k is also a router? |
| 20:05.56 | CrazyTux | Assid, are you using ztdummy? |
| 20:06.09 | Assid | CrazyTux: yeah i want to .. for meetme |
| 20:06.23 | ManxPower | remove it and see if your audio comes back |
| 20:06.23 | CrazyTux | Assid, ok, check in /var/log/messages for RTC |
| 20:06.25 | Assid | and the previous version of asterisk worked.. except my zaptel wasnt installed |
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| 20:06.44 | CrazyTux | Assid, your RTC timeclock frequency is prob to low |
| 20:06.51 | ManxPower | Now I remember why I don't help people anymore. You're on your own, Assid |
| 20:06.59 | [TK]D-Fender | Assid: you will also have to recompile * after doing zaptel to pick it up. |
| 20:07.17 | [TK]D-Fender | Assid: I suggest flushing your source * folder completely, and redoing that from scratch |
| 20:08.11 | Assid | i did recompile * after zaptel |
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| 20:08.22 | CrazyTux | Assid, did you check your logs, like I suggested? |
| 20:08.25 | dbtid_ | sorry got disc'd |
| 20:08.29 | dbtid_ | hello; has anyone used a UTStarCom F3000 successfully with ASterisk? |
| 20:08.30 | Assid | err checking one sec |
| 20:08.38 | dbtid_ | i'm going through the VoIP stuff in Chapter 4, and having problems... |
| 20:09.04 | Assid | unloading zaptel worked btw |
| 20:09.08 | ManxPower | dbtid_: your extensive searches of the mailing list archives and the Wiki was not helpful? |
| 20:09.11 | Assid | if i unload zaptel.. the ivr starts up again |
| 20:09.27 | dbtid_ | ManxPower: hadn't thought to check either. thanks for reminding me. |
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| 20:09.54 | CrazyTux | Assid, Any log messages about RTC? |
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| 20:11.11 | CrazyTux | Assid, grep CONFIG_HZ /usr/src/linux/.config, whats it show |
| 20:11.41 | CrazyTux | Assid, just want to know what CONFIG_HZ_XXXX is set to = Y |
| 20:11.53 | dbtid_ | just so that i know i'm not headed down a dead end... i have several wifi phones i'm trying to configure to use around the office as test sets... can i do everything i need with asterisk to allow one of these phones to talk to another? do i need other software other than asterisk? |
| 20:12.16 | dbtid_ | i have this utstarcom and another phone (ip3000?). |
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| 20:12.51 | [TK]D-Fender | dbtid_: No. |
| 20:13.02 | dbtid_ | lol no to which part? :) |
| 20:13.14 | [TK]D-Fender | dbtid_: No you don't need more than jsut *. |
| 20:13.17 | dbtid_ | thanks |
| 20:13.38 | [TK]D-Fender | dbtid_: This is the part where you pastebin your sip.conf for us to look at and the CLI output of your failed attempts with "sip debug" enabled |
| 20:13.40 | [TK]D-Fender | ~pb |
| 20:13.40 | jbot | [~pb] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste |
| 20:13.42 | [TK]D-Fender | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ |
| 20:13.42 | dbtid_ | another question: is it possible to use the modem port as a voice interface? i'm guessing not for lots of reasons, but i thought i'd ask. |
| 20:13.58 | [TK]D-Fender | dbtid_: No. Normal modems aren't supported by * |
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| 20:14.05 | dbtid_ | [TK]D-Fender: well, i'm not getting any traffic from the phone to my ip address other than arp requests. |
| 20:14.11 | dbtid_ | it's not even looking for the host. |
| 20:14.18 | dbtid_ | but i've recently wiped the config and started over. |
| 20:14.28 | [TK]D-Fender | dbtid_: Check your firewall |
| 20:14.42 | dbtid_ | it's a work network; no firewall. |
| 20:14.54 | *** join/#asterisk Assid (n=assid@unaffiliated/assid) |
| 20:14.54 | dbtid_ | * is running on the laptop, and the f3000 is just sitting here. |
| 20:14.56 | Assid | sorry |
| 20:15.10 | Assid | last mesage was 4 mins ago |
| 20:15.19 | Assid | so if anyone messaged, please resend |
| 20:15.49 | Assid | so as i said.. i know that unloading zaptel.. the playback started working |
| 20:15.52 | Assid | so now what |
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| 20:16.23 | [TK]D-Fender | dbtid_: I'm talking IPTABES on *nix itself |
| 20:16.24 | CrazyTux | Assid, grep CONFIG_HZ /usr/src/linux/.config |
| 20:16.37 | CrazyTux | Assid, pastebin output |
| 20:16.41 | dbtid_ | hmmm i don't think i have iptables running, but i will check |
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| 20:18.14 | Assid | CrazyTux: its at 250 |
| 20:18.21 | CrazyTux | Assid, theres your problem |
| 20:18.34 | CrazyTux | Assid, recompile/set your RTC frequency to 1000 HZ's |
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| 20:19.43 | felipex | i configured voicemail |
| 20:19.53 | Assid | great.. ive never recompiled if im using debian's kernel |
| 20:20.02 | Assid | only if im using a vanilla one |
| 20:20.03 | felipex | when i record a message all goes ok |
| 20:20.16 | CrazyTux | Assid, #debian |
| 20:20.18 | felipex | but it doesn't send email |
| 20:20.19 | Assid | cant even make menuconfig |
| 20:20.21 | felipex | why? |
| 20:20.42 | CrazyTux | Assid, but thats your problem, guaranteed, I had same thing happen to me, a few weeks ago. |
| 20:21.02 | dacs | ~context |
| 20:21.03 | jbot | extra, extra, read all about it, context is like LaTeX but less messy and more oriented to DTP instead of academics. |
| 20:21.04 | Assid | hrmm you using debian? |
| 20:21.14 | CrazyTux | Assid, Gentoo |
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| 20:21.28 | dacs | ~DTP |
| 20:21.28 | jbot | extra, extra, read all about it, dtp is DeskTop Publishing. |
| 20:22.23 | dacs | what does context mean , i am not understanding it |
| 20:23.38 | dbtid_ | [TK]D-Fender: the firewall is disabled |
| 20:26.05 | dacs | [TK]D-Fender: good morning |
| 20:29.42 | felipex | ast_rtcp_read: RTCP Read too short |
| 20:29.50 | felipex | i have a lot of this warnings |
| 20:30.11 | [TK]D-Fender | dbtid_: Ok, well if you have sip debug enabled at CLI and don't see ANYTHING, then you haven't even pointed your phone towards * yet |
| 20:30.21 | [TK]D-Fender | dbtid_: Or have some other sort of networking error |
| 20:30.26 | hmmhesays | I really wish there was a good way to make xlite messaging work properly |
| 20:30.45 | hmmhesays | but asterisk is br0ken |
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| 20:31.00 | [TK]D-Fender | hmmhesays: Then again, * never supported SIP IM really... |
| 20:31.11 | [TK]D-Fender | hmmhesays: that "sendtext" thing... well hmmm :/ |
| 20:31.24 | [TK]D-Fender | hmmhesays: not as a "relay", thats for sure. |
| 20:31.25 | hmmhesays | [TK]D-Fender: there is a lot missing from asterisk sip |
| 20:31.38 | [TK]D-Fender | hmmhesays: Yeah... like basic support :p |
| 20:31.43 | hmmhesays | pretty much |
| 20:31.58 | hmmhesays | its going to be nice when callweaver moves to sofia for the sip stack |
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| 20:33.07 | [TK]D-Fender | hmmhesays: * & SIP are screwed for the foreseeable future.... |
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| 20:34.33 | hmmhesays | pretty much yeah |
| 20:35.17 | hmmhesays | well I got my one button transfers working on for the polycom |
| 20:35.19 | [TK]D-Fender | hmmhesays: "pineapple" is looking more like "lemon", and we're all out of tequila & salt... |
| 20:35.29 | hmmhesays | haha |
| 20:35.35 | [TK]D-Fender | hmmhesays: Which 2-bit hackery did you go through for that? :) |
| 20:37.01 | hmmhesays | oh it wasn't bad, I captured the bridged channel names write them into my database then if one of the transfer extension buttons gets pushed asterisks checks for those one of the values in the db and channel redirects accordingly |
| 20:37.17 | hmmhesays | its seriously retarded |
| 20:37.29 | [TK]D-Fender | hmmhesays: And what if multiple are bridged? |
| 20:37.40 | [TK]D-Fender | hmmhesays: 3 calls held for example |
| 20:37.47 | hmmhesays | it grabs the latest bridge |
| 20:38.59 | hmmhesays | it is no ideal for sure, but I have some time to iron out some rough edges |
| 20:39.01 | iratik | My ITSP says allow=ulaw&alaw&gsm.... why can't i just use gsm? .... so that my bandwidth requirements will go down..? and say disallow=all, allow=gsm.... ? |
| 20:39.18 | hmmhesays | iratik yes |
| 20:39.39 | hmmhesays | they say allow those three so they don't have to hear about some moron complaining about codec issues |
| 20:39.59 | iratik | so I can set to use only GSM and be fine? |
| 20:40.50 | [TK]D-Fender | iratik: pick ONE <- |
| 20:42.09 | hmmhesays | unixODBC takes forever to compile |
| 20:43.19 | russellb | can someone try to resolve pbx.digium.com that isn't on the digium network? |
| 20:43.47 | fujin | I have a peer that's showing up as unreachable, but apparently it isn't |
| 20:43.50 | fujin | I can ping it fine |
| 20:43.54 | fujin | http://pastebin.com/d1a5a7dd6 |
| 20:43.58 | russellb | fujin: thank you |
| 20:44.18 | fujin | oh, sorry |
| 20:44.20 | fujin | I meant my peer |
| 20:44.21 | fujin | PING pbx.digium.com (216.207.245.8) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 20:44.25 | fujin | 2 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 999ms |
| 20:44.37 | russellb | that's fine, as long as it resolves ... |
| 20:44.41 | fujin | ;] |
| 20:44.42 | hmmhesays | it resolves |
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| 20:45.02 | Kobaz | hmm |
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| 20:45.28 | Kobaz | the rcbfx module for rhino causes a kernel panic with the latest zaptel drivers |
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| 20:46.52 | [TK]D-Fender | fujin: What is [wxc] ? |
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| 20:47.38 | fujin | [TK]D-Fender: the peer |
| 20:47.54 | [TK]D-Fender | fujin: DUH <---- |
| 20:48.20 | [TK]D-Fender | fujin: care to elaborate on WHAT it is exactly and what its sitting behind, etc... |
| 20:48.27 | fujin | you'll have to structure your question a little better |
| 20:48.33 | fujin | oh, it's an upstream SIP provider |
| 20:48.37 | fujin | I believe they use broadworks |
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| 20:49.05 | fujin | we layer2 architected a connection to them, dual redundant switch fabric over lightfibre |
| 20:49.28 | [TK]D-Fender | fujin: then set "nat=no" for them. |
| 20:49.45 | [TK]D-Fender | fujin: And "qualify=no" |
| 20:49.59 | [TK]D-Fender | fujin: You shouldn't need or use keepalives with ITSP's |
| 20:50.06 | lirakis | ~thebook |
| 20:50.07 | jbot | Asterisk: The Future of Telephony 2nd Edition (ISBN 0-596-51048-9) --- Order yours at http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/9780596510480/ --- Free downloadable PDF http://downloads.oreilly.com/books/9780596510480.pdf --- HTML at http://tfot.leifmadsen.com |
| 20:50.28 | fujin | [TK]D-Fender: why not? we're 6ms~ to them |
| 20:50.32 | *** join/#asterisk [hC] (n=hardcore@S01060016b61c8983.vf.shawcable.net) |
| 20:50.38 | [TK]D-Fender | fujin: just do it... |
| 20:50.40 | fujin | I don't want to dial over it if the peer is down |
| 20:50.44 | *** part/#asterisk atomicd (n=Atomicd@74-206-0-80.static-ip.m.telepacific.net) |
| 20:50.51 | fujin | no, explain to me why you believe I shouldn't use keepalives with them. |
| 20:50.55 | [TK]D-Fender | fujin: Most hate the options packets.... |
| 20:51.13 | [TK]D-Fender | fujin: And "nat=yes" is bad. |
| 20:51.16 | fujin | see now yesterday you told me to use nat=yes for them |
| 20:51.26 | [TK]D-Fender | fujin: Tehy may respond with relay proxiies, etc. |
| 20:51.35 | [TK]D-Fender | fujin: not for an ITSP I didn't... |
| 20:51.36 | fujin | and isn't it nat=never? |
| 20:51.43 | [TK]D-Fender | fujin: "nat=no" |
| 20:52.14 | fujin | my asterisk server is behind a nat |
| 20:52.17 | Juerd_ | Is faxing over a zap fxs less problematic than faxing over voip? |
| 20:52.26 | fujin | are you sure nat=no is what I need? |
| 20:52.27 | Juerd_ | (Given a real call through the pri) |
| 20:52.46 | [TK]D-Fender | fujin: under [wxc] that tells ASTERISk whether it should trust the INCOMING packets stated IP's, which it SHOULD. |
| 20:53.11 | fujin | cool |
| 20:53.12 | *** join/#asterisk ELBunce (n=erik@kde/developer/bunce) |
| 20:53.14 | fujin | showing as reachable now |
| 20:53.15 | [TK]D-Fender | fujin: Seperate this from your [general] "nat =yes" which simply says what IP * should SEND AS. |
| 20:53.29 | fujin | someone should really document this |
| 20:53.39 | [TK]D-Fender | fujin: ... |
| 20:53.41 | [TK]D-Fender | ~sipnat |
| 20:53.41 | jbot | [~sipnat] Quick guide on configuring * + SIP behind NAT : http://www.aocomputing.net/?p=3 otherwise check the WIKI at http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+SIP+NAT+solutions |
| 20:53.50 | fujin | lol @ wiki |
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| 20:54.05 | [TK]D-Fender | fujin: mostly three... the 1st guide's comments on linking to an OUTSIDE * is the same for ITSPs |
| 20:54.14 | [TK]D-Fender | fujin: the 1st guide, not QIKI |
| 20:54.21 | [TK]D-Fender | WIKI* |
| 20:54.34 | fujin | why do you capitalize words that shouldn't be? |
| 20:54.38 | fujin | are you trying to come across like an asshole |
| 20:55.03 | hmmhesays | how about cApping letTers in the mIddle of the wOrds |
| 20:55.07 | _x86_ | fujin: it is [TK]D-Fender we're talking about... he doesn't have to try very hard... in fact, he's quite effective at it ;) |
| 20:55.17 | fujin | yeah, I'm familiar with it |
| 20:55.19 | fujin | I just don't understand why. |
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| 20:55.49 | _x86_ | fujin: he thinks he is better than everyone, of course... |
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| 20:55.54 | _x86_ | that's why anyone's an asshole |
| 20:56.16 | [TK]D-Fender | fujin: its a question of emphasis, and considering how much free help I give around here in detail no less being thought of as an "asshole" seems counterproductive |
| 20:56.40 | fujin | that's all good and well |
| 20:56.45 | fujin | but no need to get on a high horse about it |
| 20:56.51 | fujin | so you're helping a community, don't be an asshat about it |
| 20:58.28 | [TK]D-Fender | fujin: I'm not, its merely the only way you were able to interpret my use of capitalization for emphasis. |
| 20:58.43 | fujin | the emphasis wasn't helping |
| 20:58.57 | fujin | perhaps to someone of a non-english speaking origin |
| 20:59.08 | [TK]D-Fender | fujin: I'm sorry this added tier of "tone" was lost on you then. |
| 20:59.18 | fujin | It's IRC dude. !tone. |
| 20:59.22 | hmmhesays | I've never noticed capping words adding any poor emphasis |
| 20:59.26 | [TK]D-Fender | fujin: But no offense is intended by it. |
| 20:59.28 | lirakis | 1.4 has some extra fields for cdr mysql correct ? .. like answer and end? |
| 20:59.32 | fujin | sure, |
| 20:59.38 | [TK]D-Fender | _x86_: ... so whats your excuse? :p |
| 20:59.39 | fujin | Didn't mean to raise it as a personal attack. |
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| 20:59.49 | [TK]D-Fender | fujin: Deal. |
| 21:01.41 | hardwire | or... NO DEAL |
| 21:01.47 | hardwire | whats in the suitcase! |
| 21:01.56 | _x86_ | [TK]D-Fender: i dont need one! :P |
| 21:02.11 | _x86_ | hardwire: 1,000,000 IOU's! |
| 21:02.33 | [TK]D-Fender | hardwire: Al-aqueba!! Jihad!!! |
| 21:02.39 | [TK]D-Fender | hardwire: I mean..... err... |
| 21:02.44 | [TK]D-Fender | hardwire: pass the cream? ;) |
| 21:03.50 | rob0 | Again [TK]D-Fender manages to defuse a tense situation by refusing to take it personally. |
| 21:04.12 | trippss | how do i kill a sip channel in use from the cli? |
| 21:04.24 | [TK]D-Fender | trippss: "sof hangup [channel]" |
| 21:04.39 | lirakis | trippss: soft hangup |
| 21:04.41 | trippss | [TK]D-Fender: thanks |
| 21:04.44 | lirakis | oh sorry |
| 21:04.47 | lirakis | beat again |
| 21:05.13 | [TK]D-Fender | rob0: I've swallowed some seriously nasty outright attack before. Tempted as I was to kick them, I was more inclined to show them the error of their ways.... |
| 21:05.14 | rob0 | "stop now" would do it too, but perhaps not as nicely. ;) |
| 21:05.47 | JayTee52 | [TK]D-Fender, don't take any crap from anyone! The pay ain't worth it! :-) |
| 21:05.49 | [TK]D-Fender | rob0: this is where mercestes would do something like "so you go to CLI and do : rm -r........" |
| 21:06.08 | [TK]D-Fender | JayTee52: Personal values.... sorry :) |
| 21:06.21 | drmessano-LT | [TK]D-Fender: Bite me |
| 21:06.23 | drmessano-LT | lol |
| 21:06.29 | [hC] | What do you guys use for queue statistics reporting? |
| 21:06.32 | nny_1 | lol |
| 21:06.38 | [TK]D-Fender | drmessano-LT: I would... if not for fear of food-poisoning ;) |
| 21:06.45 | drmessano-LT | lol |
| 21:06.47 | fujin | [hC]: queuemetrics, out of laziness |
| 21:06.56 | [TK]D-Fender | [hC]: MS Excel FTW! |
| 21:07.09 | [hC] | [TK]D-Fender: haha |
| 21:07.09 | drmessano-LT | DBase IV |
| 21:07.13 | drmessano-LT | :( |
| 21:07.23 | [hC] | fujin: queue metrics is pretty expensive once you get outside of two queue members |
| 21:07.42 | fujin | I was goign to write my own, and may do eventually |
| 21:07.55 | dacs | in the book it say that FXO will be defined as an FXS in the configuration... is it like Tips&Ring |
| 21:07.58 | [TK]D-Fender | fujin: Depends on your needs. |
| 21:08.03 | [hC] | asteriskguru stats are okay, but a bit buggy, closed source, and require postgres :| |
| 21:09.10 | trippss | mmmm channels don't seem to be active - sip show channels though shows tons of entries with IP addr - anonymous - <some strange cid> 00101-00001 unkn No (d) Rx: INVITE . . . |
| 21:10.16 | [TK]D-Fender | trippss: pastebin your dump of the list. |
| 21:10.18 | trippss | i'm thinking these are left over INVITEs from excel trying to register to my server . . . |
| 21:10.45 | [TK]D-Fender | trippss: "sip show channels" are not "real channels" BTW |
| 21:10.57 | trippss | http://www.pastebin.ca/845748 |
| 21:11.03 | [TK]D-Fender | trippss: just recent communications including things like qualify, etc. |
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| 21:11.25 | [TK]D-Fender | trippss: nothing to "hangup" there |
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| 21:11.34 | [TK]D-Fender | trippss: jsut look at "show channels concise" |
| 21:11.42 | lirakis | any one know how to get the start, answer,end fields to populate in mysql ... they are mapped in my cdr_custom.conf and the fields are in my cdr table |
| 21:12.04 | lirakis | .. ive got them set as type datetime .. but i dont know what they "should be" ... and they arent populating |
| 21:12.29 | trippss | [TK]D-Fender: gotcha - what do you suppose all those invites are? all excel IP addresses |
| 21:12.44 | [TK]D-Fender | trippss: no idea... |
| 21:14.50 | trippss | any way to purge those from the list |
| 21:15.05 | [TK]D-Fender | trippss: keep an eye on SIP debug if you're concerned, but since you didn't come in here flying in a panic I'd let it slide. |
| 21:15.17 | [TK]D-Fender | trippss: they'll cealr off all by themselves. |
| 21:15.32 | [TK]D-Fender | trippss: "sip show channels" is something you rarely need to concern yourself with |
| 21:15.45 | [TK]D-Fender | trippss: "shoe channels concise" is where its at. |
| 21:15.59 | trippss | [TK]D-Fender: gotcha . . . didn't know whether i should panic or not ;) |
| 21:16.40 | hardwire | panic |
| 21:17.11 | trippss | hardwire: that you making thousands of international LD calls on my box? ;) |
| 21:17.48 | hardwire | trippss: yup |
| 21:18.02 | hardwire | trippss: we had an employee that thought it would be cool to do that. |
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| 21:18.11 | *** mode/#asterisk [+o mog] by ChanServ |
| 21:18.16 | hardwire | she was studying CIS, you would think that a network IP phone would be pretty damn trackable. |
| 21:18.32 | hardwire | that and she was the only Ethiopian in our company. Making calls back home. |
| 21:18.46 | hardwire | kinda fingered that one out rly quick like |
| 21:18.56 | hardwire | trippss: sounds like you need a sleuth! |
| 21:19.40 | trippss | well we used to have excel set up as a sip peer - just deleted that entry so hopefully they won't be sending us any invites any longer . . . |
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| 21:21.43 | trippss | just killed sip ports on f/w so that ought to help too . . |
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| 21:24.30 | lirakis | [TK]D-Fender: do you know how, if possible, to get the start, answer, end fields from master.csv into mysql? |
| 21:24.59 | [TK]D-Fender | lirakis: Yes, I sure, but couldn't say how. |
| 21:24.59 | lirakis | [TK]D-Fender: sorry for directing to you.. but i cant find anything online... |
| 21:25.46 | lirakis | [TK]D-Fender: i know how to do it ugly .. cron to parse the master.csv and insert records... but does the cdr_mysql module .. just not know about or ignore those fields? |
| 21:27.20 | [TK]D-Fender | lirakis: No clue, never did Mysql CDR myself. |
| 21:27.43 | lirakis | [TK]D-Fender: really? ...do you just use the csv's? |
| 21:28.08 | _x86_ | lirakis: my guess is postgresql |
| 21:28.38 | [TK]D-Fender | lirakis: Personalyl yes, at work I'm using a serup that did it all. |
| 21:28.39 | lirakis | _x86_: id rather parse the file ;P |
| 21:28.44 | lirakis | _x86_: ha ha |
| 21:28.55 | _x86_ | lirakis: i use mysql |
| 21:29.11 | [TK]D-Fender | alright, time to head home, BBIAB |
| 21:29.27 | lirakis | _x86_: and do you know how to get those fields (start, answer, end) into the cdr table |
| 21:29.28 | lirakis | ? |
| 21:29.36 | tzafrir_laptop | If you want to avoid the trouble of an external server, use cdr_sqlite |
| 21:30.12 | lirakis | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:30.15 | _x86_ | lirakis: why not just look at billsec? |
| 21:30.42 | lirakis | _x86_: because having those fields discretely is what i need |
| 21:30.46 | _x86_ | billsec has the billable seconds, all I ever cared about |
| 21:30.53 | _x86_ | hmm lemme see if my server tracks those |
| 21:30.55 | lirakis | _x86_: not what i care about |
| 21:31.02 | lirakis | (billsec that is) |
| 21:31.40 | _x86_ | lirakis: 'calldate' will give you the start time |
| 21:32.05 | _x86_ | lirakis: might want to add the columns to your table, i think it fills in what it can |
| 21:32.28 | _x86_ | lirakis: alter table cdr add start datetime(14) NOT NULL, etc |
| 21:32.30 | lirakis | _x86_: i did .. i added them as date time though |
| 21:32.37 | _x86_ | should be fine |
| 21:32.42 | lirakis | _x86_: yours tracks them ? |
| 21:32.45 | _x86_ | nope |
| 21:32.59 | _x86_ | did you restart asterisk after making that change? |
| 21:33.04 | lirakis | _x86_: ... reloaded |
| 21:33.06 | lirakis | not restarted |
| 21:33.25 | _x86_ | try restarting |
| 21:34.20 | _x86_ | or at least reload cdr_addon_mysql.so |
| 21:35.15 | lirakis | _x86_: restarted .. still all 0000-00-00 00:00:00 |
| 21:37.15 | _x86_ | yeah, no idea... |
| 21:37.18 | _x86_ | why would you need that? |
| 21:37.29 | _x86_ | trying to determine call routing times? |
| 21:37.39 | lirakis | _x86_: for queueing etc. |
| 21:37.48 | lirakis | _x86_: performance evaluation of agents |
| 21:38.01 | _x86_ | oh, i see |
| 21:38.03 | lirakis | _x86_: so yes.. kind of determining "routing times" |
| 21:38.47 | lirakis | _x86_: im upgrading to 1.4 so i can get new cdr features as well.. cdr creation based on bridges in stead of channels |
| 21:38.59 | lirakis | _x86_: but i need this info |
| 21:39.32 | lirakis | _x86_: i suppose worst case is i run a parser ever few min... but all the same .. i shouldnt have to do that... not if all the other fields are there and working.. it seems bizarre |
| 21:40.08 | Kobaz | hmm |
| 21:40.31 | _x86_ | lirakis: true... |
| 21:40.34 | Kobaz | does the latest asterisk have problems with the latest zaptel using analog channels? |
| 21:40.44 | _x86_ | lirakis: it might have a different name than 'start', 'end', etc... |
| 21:40.58 | _x86_ | lirakis: i'm fairly sure it's 'answered' and not 'answer' too |
| 21:41.09 | _x86_ | lirakis: find a mysql cdr schema that has what you need, then load it in |
| 21:41.16 | Kobaz | [Jan 7 16:31:27] ERROR[3577]: chan_zap.c:7515 mkintf: Unable to get span status: Inappropriate ioctl for device |
| 21:41.19 | Kobaz | [Jan 7 16:31:27] ERROR[3577]: chan_zap.c:10527 build_channels: Unable to register channel '1-4' |
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| 21:42.54 | Absorto | while using ExtenSpy with whispering... how can I define which extension is the local one? |
| 21:43.59 | lirakis | _x86_: i have the proper schema loaded.. and the correct field names mapped in cdr_custom.conf |
| 21:46.03 | lirakis | _x86_: the source code does not seem to support those fields |
| 21:46.21 | lirakis | _x86_: see cdr_addon_mysql.c |
| 21:49.05 | af_ | cd there is a channel on misdn? |
| 21:49.49 | Cybertooth | Anyone here use Level3 for European numbers (and are based in the USA)? |
| 21:50.52 | nny_1 | anyoen have any places they go for good cases & or barebones? Still looking for something that would be a good general platform for an asterisk box... really would like a wallmount or something similar |
| 21:50.55 | Cybertooth | We have some customers that are branching out to Paris and London and need local numbers... |
| 21:51.03 | nny_1 | all cases seem to be geared towards gamers etc |
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| 21:51.28 | Cybertooth | nny_1, I use sokreos boxen (I think that spelling is right) |
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| 21:51.48 | lirakis | nny_1: ... ? newegg ... and antech makes good server cases |
| 21:52.06 | lirakis | nny_1: also .. dont use soekris unless you know what your doing |
| 21:52.10 | nny_1 | Cybertooth: i have used them.. looking for more standard based hardware.. |
| 21:52.13 | lirakis | nny_1: it probably wont work for you |
| 21:52.22 | nny_1 | lirakis: i have, they are underpowered for what i want |
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| 21:52.54 | lirakis | nny_1: if you want some thing small / almost embedded... look at an via epia based machine |
| 21:52.57 | nny_1 | lirakis: i use newegg now.. trying to get something that doesn't look like a pc.. |
| 21:53.02 | lirakis | nny_1: nano-itx or mini itx |
| 21:53.04 | nny_1 | lirakis: i have some 1 ghz via msi stuff |
| 21:53.06 | nhuisman_work | is it possible for users to change their passwords in asterisk voicemail? or is only via config file? |
| 21:53.23 | lirakis | nhuisman_work: yes using the voicemail app |
| 21:53.24 | nhuisman_work | i don't see options in the voicemailmain() app for password changing |
| 21:53.40 | nny_1 | lirakis: think i may try to avoid mini or nano atm.. no price benefit for upgrade path |
| 21:53.41 | lirakis | nhuisman_work: its built into the appliation as one of the menus |
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| 21:53.43 | nhuisman_work | i think maybe the documentation i'm reading just isn't including it then |
| 21:54.10 | nhuisman_work | and it auto changes the voicemail.conf to put the passwords in there? |
| 21:54.13 | lirakis | nhuisman_work: its not an option you pass.. just use the voicemail and listen to the menus.. you can record your own message etc. change your password |
| 21:54.42 | hmmhesays | hmm having problems with my ami perl script now |
| 21:54.56 | hmmhesays | I created a socket, connected but when I wait for data it just hangs there |
| 21:55.00 | lirakis | nny_1: ... so you want a cheap.. none pc looking embedded pc .. that isnt really embedded? |
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| 21:56.37 | hi365_m | can I use function if with app dial? |
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| 21:58.57 | AndyGraybeal_ | is there a recommended linux distro for installing asterisk? say something like CentOS ? |
| 21:59.07 | fujin | hmmhesays: got unbuffered output? |
| 21:59.28 | nhuisman_work | centos is fine |
| 21:59.31 | nhuisman_work | or debian |
| 21:59.40 | nny_1 | lirakis: not embedded |
| 21:59.44 | AndyGraybeal_ | thanks nhuisman_work |
| 21:59.48 | fujin | Ubuntu ;] |
| 21:59.49 | nhuisman_work | what ever linux you are comfortable with most probably and has good updated packages |
| 21:59.56 | fujin | aye |
| 21:59.57 | nny_1 | lirakis: http://news.thomasnet.com/fullstory/473237 is closer |
| 22:00.03 | AndyGraybeal_ | nhuisman_work: okay thank yuo guys |
| 22:00.05 | fujin | it's more important to have a familiar environment |
| 22:00.14 | nny_1 | but huge for an asterisk system, and it looks like it's defunct |
| 22:00.24 | lirakis | nny_1: im just saying .. that you arent being clear... and yet .. your being contradictory .. so clarify .. and simplify.. and some one can likely help |
| 22:00.32 | nny_1 | lirakis: ok |
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| 22:01.43 | lirakis | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:01.50 | lirakis | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:02.00 | [TK]D-Fender | lirakis, I stopped for gas on the way :) |
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| 22:03.03 | lirakis | [TK]D-Fender: fyi .. the cdr_addon_mysql.c module does not support those 3 fields i mentioned... i dont know why .. they are available in the ast_cdr struct in cdr.h .. i guess the dev. was lazy |
| 22:03.36 | nny_1 | lirakis: form factor *isn't* a big deal, I wouldn't say nano (starts to cost more for less) but something that can basically support 1-2 full size HDs, a modern amd or intel processor, and a normal PS. I am thinking wall mount, as anything else (larger) we use will be rackmount 2u or so. Also wallmount has minimum impact. I am kind of just searching right now. I have installations with VIA 1ghz and ones that use 2-4u cases etc. |
| 22:03.40 | lirakis | [TK]D-Fender: i may try to add them to the code .. if it works out ill commit it for 1.2 and 1.4 |
| 22:03.56 | Corydon76-lap | lirakis: see trunk |
| 22:04.09 | lirakis | Corydon76-lap: hmmm .. okay |
| 22:04.11 | Corydon76-lap | lirakis: freeform fields will be supported there |
| 22:04.31 | Corydon76-lap | or rather, freeform fields can already be used in trunk |
| 22:04.56 | lirakis | Corydon76-lap: .. alright .. so for an old 1.2 system .. i may need to modify this code |
| 22:05.06 | Corydon76-lap | heavily, yes |
| 22:05.13 | Corydon76-lap | It's considered a new feature |
| 22:05.30 | [TK]D-Fender | Roof is leaking like a bitch right now with the +8C weather we've been hit with :/ |
| 22:05.32 | hi365_m | can I use function if with app dial? |
| 22:05.34 | lirakis | Corydon76-lap: it looks as if i can just pull it from the struct and change the query .. |
| 22:05.40 | Corydon76-lap | hi365: yes |
| 22:05.46 | lirakis | Corydon76-lap: for it to be static... |
| 22:05.59 | Corydon76-lap | hi365_m: you can use ANY function within ANY application. |
| 22:06.02 | lirakis | Corydon76-lap: but i assumed there was some thing i was missing.. or some one would have added those 3 fields |
| 22:06.11 | Corydon76-lap | hi365_m: whether it makes sense to do so is another matter |
| 22:06.20 | hmmhesays | I'm retarded buffered output duh |
| 22:06.20 | hi365_m | Corydon76-lap: can you give me an axample of dial with if? |
| 22:06.45 | hi365_m | i usualy try to go with the least amount of code/actions |
| 22:06.47 | Corydon76-lap | hi365_m: not offhand, no |
| 22:07.33 | Corydon76-lap | lirakis: all of the data is already support for mysql, albeit in different forms |
| 22:07.48 | lirakis | Corydon76-lap: okay .. ill take a look at this file |
| 22:07.48 | Corydon76-lap | and calldate isn't what most people expect |
| 22:08.00 | lirakis | Corydon76-lap: okay .. like i said .. ill take a look |
| 22:08.02 | lirakis | i gtg all |
| 22:08.06 | lirakis | thanks.. and ttyl |
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| 22:10.40 | [TK]D-Fender | hi365just shove your IF in there |
| 22:10.44 | hmmhesays | I can't believe there is no manager event when you put a call on hold |
| 22:13.19 | jblack | The book that comes with the spa8k is a big fat liar. |
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| 22:14.29 | [TK]D-Fender | jblack, Oh? |
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| 22:15.32 | jblack | According to the book, there's an option to turn on bridging mode, but attempting to use it gripes back with an invalid option. |
| 22:16.51 | jblack | I don't need the nat gateway stuff, just a nice little bridge for analog devices. |
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| 22:18.48 | [TK]D-Fender | jblack, "bridging mode"? To do what? |
| 22:19.59 | hmmhesays | that is nuts |
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| 22:20.13 | hmmhesays | there should be a manager event when a call gets put on hold |
| 22:20.31 | NovceGuru | wow voicepulse to packet8 calls sounds like SHIT |
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| 22:26.55 | Scorpio_z | hi everyone |
| 22:27.14 | jblack | this thing is acting like it has to be a router. |
| 22:32.16 | [TK]D-Fender | jblack, use the WAN port, ignor the other one, and set the IP. |
| 22:32.23 | Scorpio_z | i use ubuntu on my systeme |
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| 22:33.40 | Scorpio_z | when i started compile zaptel driver it displays this is it normal ?http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/51139/ |
| 22:34.08 | mattchis | Is there a way to use SIPAddHeader() in a call file? |
| 22:35.15 | hmmhesays | call a local extension in the dialplan |
| 22:35.20 | hmmhesays | then do whatever you want |
| 22:36.18 | [TK]D-Fender | mattchis, Yes, originate for a channel type that lets you call that app before the outbound call is placed |
| 22:38.03 | asagage | hey guys does anyone know how to set the ANI to a different number than the caller-id? |
| 22:38.17 | fujin | ani=callerid |
| 22:38.26 | asagage | no not really |
| 22:38.33 | fujin | yes, yes, really |
| 22:38.45 | asagage | ANI = billing number caller-id = number displayed on caller-id box |
| 22:39.05 | _ShrikE | asagage: core show function CALLERID |
| 22:39.18 | mattchis | [TK]D-Fender is there a place that I can show you what I have in my call file |
| 22:39.27 | fujin | asagage: they're one and the same |
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| 22:39.38 | [TK]D-Fender | ~pb |
| 22:39.38 | jbot | [~pb] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste |
| 22:39.40 | [TK]D-Fender | ^^^^^^^^^^ |
| 22:39.51 | mattchis | thanks |
| 22:40.30 | fujin | from an Asterisk sense, anyhoo |
| 22:42.42 | asagage | thanks _ShrikeE |
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| 22:43.31 | mattchis | [TK]D-Fender, here is what I have http://pastebin.com/d5b298023 |
| 22:43.34 | dacs | ~ls |
| 22:43.35 | jbot | bash: ls: permission denied |
| 22:43.48 | dacs | ~gs |
| 22:43.49 | jbot | GrandSuck phones & gateways are cheap junk which should be avoided with extreme prejudice. |
| 22:44.30 | mattchis | [TK]D-Fender, I am trying to send "Ring Answer" to intercom Polycoms |
| 22:44.53 | [TK]D-Fender | mattchis, out of curiosity... what are you trying to accomplish? |
| 22:45.11 | mattchis | [TK]D-Fender, I am trying to send "Ring Answer" to intercom Polycoms |
| 22:45.28 | nhuisman_work | does anyone know if it's very hard to use the soft buttons on cisco phones with asterisk? |
| 22:45.30 | [TK]D-Fender | mattchis, I see that, I mean describe you actual full intent |
| 22:45.31 | nhuisman_work | like call forwarding |
| 22:46.07 | nhuisman_work | 3-way calling, etc |
| 22:46.16 | [TK]D-Fender | nhuisman_work, I;m sure it isn't.... |
| 22:46.24 | [TK]D-Fender | nhuisman_work, have you tried them? |
| 22:46.26 | mattchis | [TK]D-Fender, I am tryin to build an AGI that will gather all of the extensions and build individual call files per extenstion. |
| 22:46.32 | nhuisman_work | i'm in the rtfm stage |
| 22:46.37 | jblack | now we're getting somewhere! |
| 22:46.54 | mattchis | [TK]D-Fender, then dial them all at once\ |
| 22:47.02 | nhuisman_work | LOL |
| 22:47.06 | [TK]D-Fender | mattchis, To do what? |
| 22:47.08 | nhuisman_work | the digium asterisk handbook |
| 22:47.14 | nhuisman_work | describing the anti-ex girlfriend extension |
| 22:47.18 | nhuisman_work | laugh |
| 22:47.27 | nhuisman_work | This example, often known as the “Anti-Ex Girlfriend” extension, |
| 22:47.27 | nhuisman_work | shows how Asterisk can route not only by called number, but by |
| 22:47.27 | nhuisman_work | calling number. |
| 22:47.29 | nhuisman_work | ahhh |
| 22:47.30 | nhuisman_work | sorry |
| 22:47.35 | nhuisman_work | it wasn't supposed to line break. |
| 22:47.54 | mattchis | [TK]D-Fender, I am following voip-info on setting up intercom for polycoms |
| 22:48.06 | [TK]D-Fender | mattchis, You basically want to mass-page everyone? |
| 22:48.21 | mattchis | [TK]D-Fender, yuppers |
| 22:48.35 | [TK]D-Fender | mattchis, Then your approach is wrong and shouldn't be using call-files. |
| 22:48.51 | [TK]D-Fender | mattchis, "show application page" <- set your header, then call this. |
| 22:50.01 | mattchis | [TK]D-Fender, k |
| 22:50.42 | [TK]D-Fender | mattchis, like Page(SIP/100&SIP/101&SIP/102) and so on |
| 22:51.57 | mattchis | [TK]D-Fender, k let me give that a try. Thanks for the help! |
| 22:54.41 | mattchis | [TK]D-Fender, Thanks alot! It works. Man I have been going the wrong direction. Thanks again |
| 22:55.00 | [TK]D-Fender | mattchis, no problem. |
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| 23:04.09 | hmmhesays | wow some hotties in cash cab today |
| 23:04.21 | jblack | Perhaps I have something misconfigured. http://pastebin.com/maa0291f |
| 23:05.00 | jblack | I don't know why I'm getting that packet on 92-99 |
| 23:06.10 | jblack | Oh, wait. I get it. fwd.pulver.com is multiple machines. I only exist on some of them |
| 23:06.40 | hmmhesays | looks like a response to that options packet |
| 23:07.13 | jblack | Yeah, especially as fwd is only one machine. |
| 23:07.23 | jblack | I wonder how I'm generating that options packet, and whether I'm supposed to |
| 23:07.25 | [TK]D-Fender | jblack, it means "Holy shit I'm not supposed to be setting up my SPA-800 with FREE-WORLD-DIALUP, I'm trying to set it up with ASTERISK!" |
| 23:08.00 | [TK]D-Fender | jblack, OR... it means you're spending too much time multi-tasking :p |
| 23:08.32 | [TK]D-Fender | jblack, OH... and FWD doesn't appreciate your "qualify" packets... |
| 23:09.01 | [TK]D-Fender | jblack, And you are registered to them OK. |
| 23:10.34 | [TK]D-Fender | jblack, so for your FWD peer "nat=no" <- |
| 23:11.29 | jblack | They're getting in the way of the debugging I'm trying to do. |
| 23:12.31 | jblack | 1013 (sip/line1 == spa8k) can call some numbers, but not others. |
| 23:12.45 | [TK]D-Fender | jblack, pastebin stuff.... |
| 23:13.12 | jblack | Yeah, I'm working on that. |
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| 23:18.00 | jblack | Heh. Do you think setting context would be more useful than setting contex ? |
| 23:19.42 | [TK]D-Fender | jblack, Lemme think on that ;) |
| 23:19.56 | [TK]D-Fender | jblack, .... |
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| 23:20.05 | [TK]D-Fender | jblack, hukt on fonix werkt 4 u! |
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| 23:20.37 | asteriskmonkey | when setting userfield in cdr_mysql.conf its not stamped into the db |
| 23:20.39 | jblack | Yeah, so, not having set a context, I fell into the default context, public. Which just happens to have a 1000 extension too. Thus, being able to reach 1000, but not 1010 |
| 23:21.01 | asteriskmonkey | can it be set in the conf file or have to be appended at call time? |
| 23:21.10 | fujin | [TK]D-Fender: would it be advisable to have a public IP address for my NAT'd asterisk boxes, to talk happilier to an ITSP? |
| 23:21.28 | fujin | I'm going to retain the nat for the phones, but pop another interface in them with a /29 |
| 23:21.40 | fujin | well, /28, two real hosts, one heartbeat ip, one gateway |
| 23:21.55 | [TK]D-Fender | fujin, Generally doesn't matter as long as you've set things up properly and your NAT router isn't a PITA |
| 23:22.30 | fujin | mm, the NAT router here does a lot of traffic |
| 23:22.35 | fujin | and there's no TOS on it. |
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| 23:25.10 | [TK]D-Fender | fujin, well if you new connection is clearly more seperate I suppose it can only be better, but NAT itself wouldn't be your issue |
| 23:25.23 | fujin | yeah, sure. |
| 23:25.32 | fujin | now I have to work out how to prioritise a route out of this seperate link |
| 23:25.48 | [TK]D-Fender | fujin, what else will you have on it? |
| 23:25.54 | fujin | nothing at all |
| 23:25.59 | fujin | it's goign to be for solely talking to my ITSP |
| 23:26.07 | [TK]D-Fender | fujin, Whats to prioritize then if its all just *? |
| 23:26.15 | fujin | ah no I meant |
| 23:26.18 | fujin | on the asterisk boxes themselves |
| 23:26.22 | fujin | having two default gateways |
| 23:26.39 | fujin | obviously the first one (the NAT /24) would be the first path to try and reach my ITSP |
| 23:26.41 | [TK]D-Fender | fujin, Ah, sual interface... use "bindaddr" <- |
| 23:26.42 | fujin | which I don't want |
| 23:26.55 | [TK]D-Fender | dual* |
| 23:26.55 | fujin | that one won't work, unfortunately |
| 23:27.00 | fujin | asm I'm employing Heartbeat, too. |
| 23:27.01 | [TK]D-Fender | fujin, Why not? |
| 23:27.16 | [TK]D-Fender | fujin, what kind oh "hearbeat"? |
| 23:27.18 | fujin | the actual addresses of the asterisk servers matter not, the primary asterisk server is known as 192.168.108.1 / 123.100.68.100 |
| 23:27.25 | fujin | linux ha |
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| 23:27.27 | fujin | heartbeat v1 |
| 23:27.43 | fujin | there is only ever one primary at a time, and it owns the one IP address |
| 23:27.56 | fujin | [TK]D-Fender: unless I can specify 'bindaddr' in a peer definition |
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| 23:28.34 | [TK]D-Fender | fujin, well if its got multiple interfaces and as long as the other internal one only sees internal IP's you should be OK |
| 23:29.16 | fujin | I suppose theoretically I could take the nat entirely out of the equation now that I've given them public Ip addresses |
| 23:29.20 | jblack | Is this a reasonable callerid(num)? exten => s,n,Set(CALLERID(num)=${ARG1}#<${intext}>) |
| 23:29.46 | *** part/#asterisk amaia (n=amaia@89.6.118.172) |
| 23:29.48 | jblack | Whoops. Shift the < over to before ${ARG1} |
| 23:30.48 | [TK]D-Fender | jblack, that would be CALLERID(all) if you are doing both parts as it appears |
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| 23:32.14 | jblack | I'd like something of the format Firstname Lastname <phone number & extension> |
| 23:33.33 | jblack | So, sure, would CALLERID(all)=${fullname} <${ARG1}#${ARG2}> be appropriate? |
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| 23:35.34 | [hC] | lmadsen: happy birthday! |
| 23:39.57 | [TK]D-Fender | jblack, no, the <> is only a single number |
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| 23:58.12 | fujin | is there anyway to make a whole 'macro', or context, be quieter? |
| 23:58.19 | fujin | for example I'm using a local channel to deliver calls to agents |
| 23:58.23 | fujin | and it's terribly noisy on the console. |
| 23:58.53 | TJNII | Turn down the verbosity on the consile? |
| 23:58.53 | fujin | looping around trying to find an agent who isn't busy |
| 23:59.09 | fujin | that unfortunately doesn't server the purpose I require |
| 23:59.26 | fujin | I like to have the verbosity up so I can see everything, yet I don't want to see this (as it's very transparent, anyway) |
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