| 00:00.25 | kippi | using gcc 4.2.3 |
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| 00:00.47 | [TK]D-Fender | kippi: Go recompile with a different version (4.1 suggested) |
| 00:00.56 | afg_ch | [TK]D-Fender: I am pretty sure quite some CentOS fellows out there are failing to compile zaptel right now and in the days to come. Will there be a Zaptel release containing the patch anytime soon or how could we let them know so they don't have a hard time and unnecessary stress over the weekend. |
| 00:01.27 | [TK]D-Fender | afg_ch: I programmed that jbot info-let, and am here much of the time. |
| 00:01.42 | [TK]D-Fender | afg_ch: and I'll be repeating it for them. Or I might put it in the channel topic. |
| 00:01.47 | kippi | [TK]D-Fender 4.1.1 be ok? |
| 00:01.55 | [TK]D-Fender | kippi: give it a try |
| 00:03.19 | afg_ch | [TK]D-Fender: OK. Fair enough. I'll try to put it to a prominent place over at the CentOS WIKI or so. My warmest regards to your alter ego jbot. |
| 00:04.25 | [TK]D-Fender | ~jbot |
| 00:04.26 | jbot | extra, extra, read all about it, jbot is a hack!, or known to have only said one useful thing. a tool, or dating the fembots, or [TK]D-Fender's b*tch, or suck, or a pain in the ass |
| 00:04.28 | [TK]D-Fender | ^^^^ |
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| 00:06.47 | kippi | ok, giving it ago |
| 00:08.49 | [TK]D-Fender | Any Ops about? |
| 00:08.51 | afg_ch | [TK]D-Fender: So make sure you train jbot to respond himself/herself to any question containing "5.2" and "zaptel" with just that answer just in case you ever sleep. I can just say that my mirror server is serving 200+ Gigs per day now. That tells me that the CentOS 5.2 crap is spreading like fire. |
| 00:09.10 | [TK]D-Fender | afg_ch: It'll probably be in the topic momentarily. |
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| 00:11.03 | *** mode/#asterisk [+o [TK]D-Fender] by ChanServ |
| 00:12.59 | *** topic/#asterisk by [TK]D-Fender -> Asterisk: The Open Source PBX and Telephony Platform (asterisk.org) -=- Asterisk 1.6.0-beta9 (2008/05/14) Asterisk 1.4.21 (2008/06/12) Asterisk 1.2.29 (2008/06/03), *-Addons 1.4.6 (2008/02/21) 1.6.0-beta3 (2008/04/02), Zaptel 1.4.11 (2008/05/28), Libpri 1.4.4 (2008/...) -=- #asterisknow or #asterisk-gui for AsteriskNOW (asterisknow.org) -=- #switchvox for Switchvox (switchvox.com) -=- #freepbx for FreePBX/trixbox -=- CentOS 5.2 Zaptel troubles:ty |
| 00:13.22 | *** topic/#asterisk by [TK]D-Fender -> Asterisk: The Open Source PBX and Telephony Platform (asterisk.org) -=- Asterisk 1.6.0-beta9 (2008/05/14) Asterisk 1.4.21 (2008/06/12) Asterisk 1.2.29 (2008/06/03), *-Addons 1.4.6 (2008/02/21) 1.6.0-beta3 (2008/04/02), Zaptel 1.4.11 (2008/05/28), Libpri 1.4.4 (2008/...) -=- #asterisknow or #asterisk-gui for AsteriskNOW -=- #switchvox for Switchvox (switchvox.com) -=- #freepbx for FreePBX/trixbox -=- CentOS 5.2 Zaptel troubles:type ~centos52bug |
| 00:13.42 | ManxPower | put it at the beginning, the top is cut off for most people |
| 00:14.04 | kippi | 4.1 |
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| 00:14.26 | *** topic/#asterisk by [TK]D-Fender -> Asterisk: The Open Source PBX and Telephony Platform (asterisk.org) -=- CentOS 5.2 Zaptel troubles:type ~centos52bug -=- Asterisk 1.6.0-beta9 (2008/05/14) Asterisk 1.4.21 (2008/06/12) Asterisk 1.2.29 (2008/06/03), *-Addons 1.4.6 (2008/02/21) 1.6.0-beta3 (2008/04/02), Zaptel 1.4.11 (2008/05/28), Libpri 1.4.4 (2008/...) -=- #asterisknow or #asterisk-gui for AsteriskNOW -=- #switchvox for Switchvox (switchvox.com) -=- #freepbx for FreePBX/trixbox |
| 00:14.45 | [TK]D-Fender | ManxPower: guess that'll fdo for a while. |
| 00:14.57 | *** mode/#asterisk [-o [TK]D-Fender] by [TK]D-Fender |
| 00:15.18 | [TK]D-Fender | kippi: And? how'd it turn out? |
| 00:15.22 | ManxPower | [TK]D-Fender: yup, other than needing to add "GUI users will be killed and fed to the aligators" |
| 00:15.51 | file | runs around |
| 00:15.52 | [TK]D-Fender | ManxPower: I'm working on a better warning, and would collaborate to see it put in there. |
| 00:16.20 | [TK]D-Fender | file: I've modded the topic myself. Wanted to give you guys a chance to do it yourselves, but wasn't going to sit on it. |
| 00:16.48 | file | 'tis all good |
| 00:16.53 | [TK]D-Fender | file: To advise about the Zaptel issue which afffects a large number of us. |
| 00:17.39 | [TK]D-Fender | file: I figured as much. |
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| 00:20.32 | jaytee | ~centos52bug |
| 00:20.33 | jbot | [~centos52bug] There is a bug compiling Zaptel "xpp" (Astribank) driver with CentOS/RHEL 5.2. Either uncheck it from MENUCONFIG, or please read the following for instructions on how to correct : http://bugs.digium.com/view.php?id=12889 |
| 00:21.19 | file | trying to use a switch to flatten something... is fun |
| 00:22.14 | [TK]D-Fender | file: I flatten the shad-flies that make it in through crevasses is my A/C with an LTO3 backup tape. Close enough? ;) |
| 00:22.50 | file | my mailman decided he wanted to fold something that specifically said do not fold |
| 00:23.04 | kippi | Ok, on 4.1 sounds a bit better |
| 00:24.09 | kippi | think i might go down to another version |
| 00:25.22 | kippi | i will try this tomorrow as its getting late, thank you ever so much!! I will let you know how it goes tomorrow |
| 00:25.26 | TJNII | Heres one thing I don't understand about that centos bug.... Why did they key off of the kernel version instead of #ifndef bool? |
| 00:25.29 | [TK]D-Fender | file: Catch him doing it? |
| 00:25.39 | file | [TK]D-Fender: sadly no |
| 00:25.47 | [TK]D-Fender | file: darn |
| 00:26.33 | kippi | thank you guys!! |
| 00:28.11 | [TK]D-Fender | kippi: Found a good match? |
| 00:28.21 | afg_ch | kippi: my advice, get rid of GSM files. Usa alaw or ulaw if you are a yankee. In the absence of GSM files, * automagically transcodes the better file down on the fly. |
| 00:28.48 | [TK]D-Fender | kippi: I do agree that you should use native codec recording where at all possible. |
| 00:29.46 | kippi | how do you get rid of the GSM? |
| 00:29.53 | afg_ch | kippi: this applies especially when you have ISDN PRI lineboards. Telephony is 64kbit and GSM is far from that. |
| 00:30.19 | [TK]D-Fender | kippi: Install another sound package and ditch the GSM ones |
| 00:30.51 | [TK]D-Fender | afg_ch: in all honesty, its a compiler issue, not that there aren't other benifits to going "native" |
| 00:31.04 | TJNII | says quietly "The world may never know." |
| 00:31.15 | kippi | so install asterisk then install another package which will replace the gsm files? |
| 00:31.28 | afg_ch | kippi: have a look here http://ftp.digium.com/pub/telephony/sounds/ |
| 00:31.39 | [TK]D-Fender | kippi: When you do "make menuconfig" you can choose which sets to install. |
| 00:31.55 | [TK]D-Fender | kippi: or clean up things afterwards via that folder. |
| 00:32.35 | [TK]D-Fender | TJNII: and.. EW |
| 00:32.50 | afg_ch | [TK]D-Fender: on a technical level you are right. but try to increase a thumbnail of Claudia Schiffer to poster size. |
| 00:32.57 | kippi | so much to try and learn so late :s |
| 00:33.27 | [TK]D-Fender | afg_ch: My pr0n collection doesn't need that kind of "enhancement" ;) |
| 00:34.46 | TJNII | [TK]D-Fender: EW? I hardly see how a comment on preprocessor directives warrants that. |
| 00:35.24 | [TK]D-Fender | TJNII: Thats not what that retort was about an you know it. Perv |
| 00:35.54 | [TK]D-Fender | (Or I know entirely too much, and think it) |
| 00:36.18 | afg_ch | kippi: don't feel dumb. I am also dumb, just quite experienced with that. wget the sound set you want, tar xvfz it and then cp it into /var/lib/asterisk/sounds |
| 00:36.57 | kippi | looking at menuconfig now |
| 00:36.59 | [TK]D-Fender | afg_ch: No, from everything you've chatted today I would say you're pretty sharp and pretty knowledgeable as well. |
| 00:37.40 | afg_ch | [TK]D-Fender: blush |
| 00:37.53 | kippi | ulaw or alaw? |
| 00:37.59 | kippi | or both? |
| 00:38.07 | [TK]D-Fender | afg_ch: When you see as many idiots here as I have you can sum people up pretty quick. |
| 00:38.20 | [TK]D-Fender | kippi: ALL OF THEM :) |
| 00:38.37 | [TK]D-Fender | kippi: that way you never have to transcode stock recordings. |
| 00:39.02 | afg_ch | ulaw=US/CA, alaw=rest of the world |
| 00:40.15 | kippi | on make install |
| 00:41.00 | asdx | wth is "distributed presence" ? http://www.russellbryant.net/blog/index.php/2008/06/10/asterisk-16-now-with-distributed-presence/ |
| 00:41.01 | kippi | and its downloading the files :D |
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| 00:41.15 | asdx | to share events? |
| 00:41.16 | afg_ch | kippi: I always do the standard install and later I replace the soundsets I want - to be perfectly honest with WinSCP.exe |
| 00:41.46 | [TK]D-Fender | asdx: just like regular presence... only distributed. |
| 00:41.59 | asdx | cool |
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| 00:43.09 | kippi | is there a best way of doing it? |
| 00:43.18 | afg_ch | kippi: cause with important things I don't like to be mistaken with the cp command since there is no "undo" button in Linux. Drag and drop works fine for me. |
| 00:43.52 | kippi | hehe |
| 00:45.48 | [TK]D-Fender | afg_ch: Go code an Undo button yourself! |
| 00:46.15 | unpaidbill | haha |
| 00:46.32 | unpaidbill | that would be pretty easy to do actually |
| 00:46.37 | unpaidbill | it would just make copying take 2x as long |
| 00:46.45 | afg_ch | kippi: I am already wondering that nobody was bashing me for my outing to use Windows on the desktop. I think all those fundamentalistic "I only use Linux and I need command line to get a hardon" guys are all asleep. The moderate community has come together to pray right now. |
| 00:47.51 | [TK]D-Fender | afg_ch: I use windows for my desktop. It works fine. Wouldn't run it as a SERVER though :) |
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| 00:48.46 | [TK]D-Fender | afg_ch: And to compensate, at home I use linux as my router, web/ftp/mail/file server, and HTPC :) |
| 00:49.17 | mrmeek | linux router = win |
| 00:49.39 | unpaidbill | am i reading this right? chan_alsa in 1.4 only supports one input and one output audio device, configured under [general] ? |
| 00:50.29 | [TK]D-Fender | unpaidbill: thats what it says. |
| 00:50.38 | unpaidbill | darn. |
| 00:50.53 | afg_ch | [TK]D-Fender: To be specific, Linux for workhorse servers and where scaling costs M$ licenses. People always forget that in an office environment it's an advantage if the secretary can start a backup and no Sysadmin is needed on a daily basis. |
| 00:50.59 | [TK]D-Fender | unpaidbill: chan_alsa = BS anyways. Run a softphone on your server if you must, but FFS don't try to treat ASTERISK as one. |
| 00:51.34 | unpaidbill | i was going to use chan_alsa + pulseaudio to dump audio to pocketsphinx processes running on another machine |
| 00:51.40 | unpaidbill | but.. yes a softphone will work nicely too |
| 00:51.53 | unpaidbill | softphone + chanspy |
| 00:52.02 | [TK]D-Fender | afg_ch: Agreed. Thats why I'm pitching Windows Server for my office right now (to ditch Novell 5.0) as it also allows me to consolidate my mail server (Lotus Domino) to the same box and reduce hardware operating costs. |
| 00:52.02 | unpaidbill | hmm |
| 00:52.31 | afg_ch | [TK]D-Fender: we speak the same language |
| 00:53.00 | unpaidbill | haha novell and lotus!? craziness. |
| 00:53.20 | unpaidbill | i changed all our internal stuff over from microsoft to linux... running samba and zimbra now! |
| 00:53.26 | [TK]D-Fender | afg_ch: Right tool for the right job. Win2K3 would only be serving files, and the minimal other boring crap and let me save an entire server (Domino requires Win server anyways and does nothing else) |
| 00:53.34 | unpaidbill | free is so nice. |
| 00:53.59 | [TK]D-Fender | unpaidbill: I have a huge Samba Server there... hosts my Market (Mac) files because Mac + Novell = unstable |
| 00:54.05 | unpaidbill | nice |
| 00:54.16 | [TK]D-Fender | unpaidbill: thing is its harder to get support, and my head offic are schmucks. |
| 00:54.16 | unpaidbill | what version of samba, 3.0.30? |
| 00:54.48 | afg_ch | unpaidbill: free is a matter of definition. Ever heard of Total Cost of Ownership? |
| 00:54.48 | unpaidbill | haha ah, yeah i handle everything, and i make all the decisions.. so no problems at our office with schmucks |
| 00:54.53 | [TK]D-Fender | unpaidbill: and besides, if I go Win2k3, I get my Linux server back as a 100% free sandbox I don't have to worry about for "mission critical". |
| 00:55.15 | unpaidbill | that's always nice |
| 00:55.28 | unpaidbill | it's fun to play |
| 00:56.00 | [TK]D-Fender | unpaidbill: I am the IT for my division, but I can only get away with so much. Head office has Macs and no clue how to manage them. As an IT professional, you'd cringe to hear how they operate on a server level. |
| 00:56.08 | unpaidbill | afg_ch sure, but my setup still beats the pants off of any microsoft solution as far as price goes |
| 00:56.30 | [TK]D-Fender | unpaidbill: Price needs to account for time to learn, support costs, etc. |
| 00:56.38 | [TK]D-Fender | unpaidbill: hence "TCO" |
| 00:56.52 | unpaidbill | i understand |
| 00:57.11 | [TK]D-Fender | unpaidbill: Now if you run the show and everything always works fine, then yeah. Its a question of what "calculably unlucky" might look like :) |
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| 00:57.21 | unpaidbill | it surely will suck for them if iquit |
| 00:57.29 | unpaidbill | but i have plenty of docs so hopefully the next guy can read :P |
| 00:57.32 | [TK]D-Fender | unpaidbill: I was thinking the same where I work :) |
| 00:57.48 | jblack | That's a good point. It would take an awful lot of study and time to learn how to manage a windows server so that it works reliably. |
| 00:58.13 | unpaidbill | jblack i tried to manage the windows server for a month |
| 00:58.23 | unpaidbill | and i hated it.. it's so much easier for me to deal with linux/unix os' |
| 00:58.29 | unpaidbill | so i just said f it and nuked all the microsoft crap |
| 00:58.32 | afg_ch | unpaidbill: If I have 300 people talking, to build that system with Dialogic and Windows, not to think about. If I have a webhosting business and need virtual hosts and had to build that on Windows, it would definitely cost more. |
| 00:58.39 | [TK]D-Fender | jblack: cheaper training, easily acquired, easily replaced. |
| 00:58.43 | unpaidbill | surprisingly enough, my boss loves zimbra a lot more than outlook |
| 00:59.00 | unpaidbill | because he can have everything, his voicemail, the security cam feeds, his email, his news, in one firefox window with tabs |
| 00:59.07 | unpaidbill | so i lucked out |
| 00:59.22 | [TK]D-Fender | unpaidbill: Ever work with Domino+Notes? |
| 00:59.28 | unpaidbill | never |
| 00:59.39 | [TK]D-Fender | unpaidbill: Rock solid, but FUGLY |
| 00:59.46 | unpaidbill | i've heard legends of offices that use them :P |
| 00:59.57 | unpaidbill | is lotus notes still developed? |
| 01:00.05 | unpaidbill | i thought that stuff was like 10 years old and EOL |
| 01:00.42 | [TK]D-Fender | unpaidbill: Yeah, just listen to this lineup : Novell 5.0, Domino+Notes, AS/400 + JD Edwards, SonicWALL. <- What my head office considers "good". NONE of it cenrtally managed |
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| 01:00.53 | jaytee | I used Notes when it was still in beta before Lotus got bought up by IBM |
| 01:00.54 | unpaidbill | oh man |
| 01:01.04 | jaytee | it became a really nice product. |
| 01:01.11 | unpaidbill | that must be hell fender |
| 01:01.16 | unpaidbill | ldap is so great |
| 01:01.23 | jaytee | we run JD Edwards too |
| 01:01.25 | afg_ch | unpaidbill: Novell is on the dead end with their network and server but Notes is still in use as a legacy in large corporations |
| 01:01.34 | unpaidbill | be it microsofts or openldap... god it's the best |
| 01:01.38 | [TK]D-Fender | unpaidbill: %@#$ing OS/400 for JD Edwwards. these guys are so fucked in the ass with their dead-end choices it shows they desperately don't want to be replaced. They are so entrenched its pathetic |
| 01:01.54 | unpaidbill | i hope they have all those servers raided |
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| 01:02.03 | unpaidbill | because good luck getting that shit set back up if it crashes and burns |
| 01:02.14 | jaytee | but we're almost all Win2K3 except for 1 RHEL 5 server running Asterisk and a VMWare VM running sipX on a Win2K3 host. |
| 01:02.16 | unpaidbill | i would just quit |
| 01:02.44 | [TK]D-Fender | unpaidbill: Oh, they're backed up, but every piece is retarded and integrates in no benificial way and is hard to find support for. SonicWALL? Who gives a shit about them? friggen TOASTERS. Should have gone Cisco. |
| 01:02.47 | asdx | what is DUNDi, i heard that doing distributed presence on top of it is lame, was the person that told me this just trolling or ? |
| 01:02.51 | jaytee | our JD Edwards runs on two Windows 2000 servers. |
| 01:02.54 | [TK]D-Fender | unpaidbill: Novell? Get real. |
| 01:02.57 | unpaidbill | i'd run windows server if i had a huge office with multiple sattelite locations to deal with |
| 01:03.17 | unpaidbill | i thought sonicwall only made those crappy little 5port routers |
| 01:03.31 | unpaidbill | that's all i've ever heard or seen of from them hah |
| 01:03.32 | jblack | asdx: There's limited uses for it. |
| 01:03.35 | [TK]D-Fender | unpaidbill: Even in a smaller environment it allows you better control over your PC's if you desire it. |
| 01:03.43 | asdx | jblack: what do you mean? |
| 01:03.52 | [TK]D-Fender | asdx: Yes... you are a TROLL. |
| 01:03.59 | asdx | [TK]D-Fender: i'm not |
| 01:04.09 | unpaidbill | yeah fender, but i dont care about what people do on their PCs really, i let them do what they want for the most part |
| 01:04.11 | [TK]D-Fender | asdx: back to your bridge! |
| 01:04.14 | DSpair | [TK]D-Fender, Is 1.4.21 still a non-starter? should I just upgrade to 1.4.20? |
| 01:04.17 | asdx | [TK]D-Fender: :( |
| 01:04.29 | asdx | [TK]D-Fender: i didn't said that, i just come to ask if that was correct |
| 01:04.29 | jblack | asdx: It's useful when you have multiple * servers, and want to dynamically route calls. |
| 01:04.34 | unpaidbill | if it was a bank or something govt i'd definitely need the strict AD configurations |
| 01:04.37 | unpaidbill | to turn off usb, etc |
| 01:04.41 | asdx | [TK]D-Fender: that's what i heard |
| 01:04.44 | [TK]D-Fender | unpaidbill: I'm a laissez-faire admin myself, but a lot of companies need to care more, and I'm regrettably starting to have to. |
| 01:04.49 | asdx | [TK]D-Fender: from other people, bkw_ |
| 01:05.08 | [TK]D-Fender | DSpair: 1.4.21 has IAx2 issues. Aside from that I don't know anything else specific about it. |
| 01:05.16 | unpaidbill | fender, well at least you get paid more when you have to care more |
| 01:05.23 | asdx | jblack: i know, distibuted presence sounds like a great feature |
| 01:05.27 | DSpair | [TK]D-Fender, Gotcha. Got a link that explains about the IAX2 issues> |
| 01:05.29 | DSpair | ? |
| 01:05.45 | asdx | jblack: i just heard from bkw that doing it on top of dundi is bad... i wanted to know if what he said is real |
| 01:05.56 | [TK]D-Fender | unpaidbill: thats what switching to Windows server is for asa well... me getting real training (my skills are to varied and dated), and in response, more money |
| 01:06.30 | unpaidbill | excellent, then you can buy an android phone in Q2 '09 if they manage to get them released by then! |
| 01:06.38 | jblack | well, you know there's uses for it, so you should be able to determine whether or not what he said is real. |
| 01:06.43 | unpaidbill | with all that extra money it wont hurt the wallet at all |
| 01:06.57 | unpaidbill | my wallet is going to flutter away when i buy one |
| 01:07.01 | [TK]D-Fender | unpaidbill: was supposed to be Q4'08 last I read (today) |
| 01:07.26 | afg_ch | [TK]D-Fender, jbot, guys, I'll shut down operations for today and move over to the sofa. it was extremely nice talking to you. |
| 01:07.32 | unpaidbill | yeah but you dont want to buy the first round, gotta wait a few months and see what happens :) |
| 01:07.49 | [TK]D-Fender | unpaidbill: and I got an HTC Touch this past December. I shouldn't replace it any time soon, and I'm in CDMA-Land so my choices are much more restricted. |
| 01:07.58 | [TK]D-Fender | afg_ch: Ditto. |
| 01:08.01 | unpaidbill | ahh, that sucks |
| 01:08.05 | unpaidbill | cdma that is |
| 01:08.20 | [TK]D-Fender | unpaidbill: its a matter of choice because ofr carrier commitment and the plan I have with them. |
| 01:08.23 | DSpair | [TK]D-Fender, Have you tried any of the Windows Mobile SIP clients? If so, what do you think? |
| 01:08.49 | [TK]D-Fender | unpaidbill: $37+tax for 350min, 6pm eve/wk, unlimited internet, VM, CID, TWC, etc. |
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| 01:09.13 | [TK]D-Fender | DSpair: Tried one a year ago and hated it on the only phone I tried it on (HTC 6700). |
| 01:09.36 | jblack | wonders if "women must wear pantsuits after age 50" is genetic, social, or a law. |
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| 01:09.51 | unpaidbill | sip client on a mobile phone? does that use the cell network bandwidth or 802.11 ? |
| 01:09.56 | [TK]D-Fender | jblack: merely "demographic" |
| 01:10.03 | DSpair | unpaidbill, Either. |
| 01:10.11 | unpaidbill | interesting |
| 01:10.13 | jblack | EPARSE |
| 01:10.15 | [TK]D-Fender | unpaidbill: Whichever you've got handy. |
| 01:10.30 | unpaidbill | with unlimited data that sounds pretty nice, why did it suck? |
| 01:11.36 | [TK]D-Fender | unpaidbill: just that the phone selection for CDMA sucks. the service is just fine. Hardware selection, lack of SIM tech, and locked phones blows. |
| 01:11.59 | [TK]D-Fender | unpaidbill: I can't take a verizon CDMA phone and use it here for instance. |
| 01:12.01 | unpaidbill | oh i meant the mobile SIP stuff :P |
| 01:12.29 | [TK]D-Fender | unpaidbill: Oh, the problem I had on the 6700 was that it only worked through the SPEAKER, not the earpiece. |
| 01:12.32 | [TK]D-Fender | PITA <- |
| 01:12.41 | unpaidbill | wtf that is retarded |
| 01:13.18 | [TK]D-Fender | unpaidbill: And was a shitty client, and WiFi sucks ballz (wit'a'Z y0!) for battery usage and availability |
| 01:13.23 | JayTee52 | hey! don't forget it's Be Nice To Retards Week! |
| 01:13.30 | unpaidbill | hah, no doubt |
| 01:13.36 | Strom | i thought it was Zen Boners Week |
| 01:13.41 | asdx | [TK]D-Fender: freeswitch people puts a lot of FUD into my head, i guess i should not go to that channel anymore |
| 01:13.42 | [TK]D-Fender | JayTee52: I haven't killed any all week, they should be thankful enough! |
| 01:13.43 | unpaidbill | oops, sorry zen retard boners :( |
| 01:14.23 | unpaidbill | asdx dont drink the kool aid, man! |
| 01:14.24 | [TK]D-Fender | asdx: the problem is your head can't process what it receives, and you are simply fearful and lack understanding and a proper level of objectivity. |
| 01:14.45 | asdx | :( |
| 01:15.15 | [TK]D-Fender | asdx: there is hope! find a ClueBat and whack yourself over the head with it repeatedly or... |
| 01:15.17 | [TK]D-Fender | ~osmosis |
| 01:15.18 | jbot | [~osmosis] Osmosis is the act of beating yourself on the head repeatedly with THE BOOK, until some measure of absorption has occured ... or at least until your unconsciousness restores peace to the channel ... |
| 01:15.19 | [TK]D-Fender | ^^^^^ |
| 01:15.37 | [TK]D-Fender | Ahh... haven't broken that one out in AGES! |
| 01:16.52 | asdx | [TK]D-Fender: what would you do if they try to put FUD into your head |
| 01:17.41 | asdx | unpaidbill: i wont |
| 01:20.06 | [TK]D-Fender | asdx: they don't put FUD in your head. They give you facts/opinions/lies about XYZ and you take them, independently validate them, gauge their importance, and discard what is not meaningful. Fear is in YOUR head. |
| 01:21.04 | JayTee52 | Fear is the mind killer, the little death that brings total annihilation............ |
| 01:21.11 | JayTee52 | The spice must flow! |
| 01:21.55 | [TK]D-Fender | JayTee52: Old School! |
| 01:22.08 | asdx | [TK]D-Fender: yeah |
| 01:22.13 | [TK]D-Fender | high-5's JayTee52 |
| 01:22.28 | unpaidbill | fender you need to do a show. maybe replace dr phil |
| 01:22.36 | asdx | goes back to learn ami |
| 01:22.38 | unpaidbill | fixing internet people |
| 01:22.55 | unpaidbill | fix them... to DEATH |
| 01:23.42 | JayTee52 | Dr Phil is a friggin poser, [TK]D-Fender is the real deal |
| 01:23.58 | unpaidbill | if dr phil says something, you get annoyed because he's a big douche |
| 01:24.00 | [TK]D-Fender | JayTee52: "How's that working out for you?" |
| 01:24.09 | unpaidbill | when fender says something, you do that shit or you get pimpslapped or worse |
| 01:24.21 | mchou | lol |
| 01:24.28 | unpaidbill | and if strom says something, you just ignore him because he's an angry californian |
| 01:24.43 | JayTee52 | hahahaa |
| 01:24.49 | mchou | huh?? angry californian? |
| 01:24.55 | [TK]D-Fender | JayTee52: I often get the urge to punch Dr. Phil in the face... or use him for tameshigiri ;) |
| 01:24.55 | unpaidbill | i know. it's hard to believe. |
| 01:25.25 | [TK]D-Fender | unpaidbill: seen on a bumper sticker : "Help save Califonia... take a native when you leave" |
| 01:25.37 | unpaidbill | hahaha that's awesome |
| 01:26.44 | JayTee52 | [TK]D-Fender, yeah, I see Dr Phil on TV and I quickly go from nausea to raving psychosis in less than 20 seconds. Up close in person with access to firearms and I wouldn't be a danger to society, just to him. |
| 01:26.55 | [TK]D-Fender | unpaidbill: Then again, substantive demographic groups abound in the USA. |
| 01:27.05 | [TK]D-Fender | JayTee52: lol |
| 01:27.14 | DSpair | Damn... I wish I had thought ahead and left room on my volume group for snapshots... :( |
| 01:27.16 | [TK]D-Fender | unpaidbill: in terms of "stupid" that is. |
| 01:27.40 | JayTee52 | A Texan, a Californian and an Oregonian are drinking in a bar............. (CONTINUE? Y/N?) |
| 01:27.46 | unpaidbill | we do have quite a few of them. |
| 01:27.52 | unpaidbill | i blame MTV and rap |
| 01:27.57 | unpaidbill | and the south |
| 01:28.47 | [TK]D-Fender | unpaidbill: Any state that doesn't active hat another or hated in return is typically considered a "douchebag state" |
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| 01:29.15 | [TK]D-Fender | unpaidbill: I pray for Decision'08 |
| 01:29.34 | unpaidbill | ugh |
| 01:29.55 | unpaidbill | mccain or obama, politician or politician, lose or probably lose |
| 01:30.24 | unpaidbill | we should be blowing iran up by then though |
| 01:30.31 | unpaidbill | that will make for some fun TV |
| 01:30.33 | [TK]D-Fender | unpaidbill: its a question of how you "lose". Niether was in my top 3. |
| 01:30.45 | unpaidbill | personally, i like gravel |
| 01:30.56 | unpaidbill | that dude is awesome, too bad people wont vote for someone who tells it like it is |
| 01:30.59 | [TK]D-Fender | unpaidbill: wow... he was my #1, in a "dreamland" kinda way |
| 01:31.14 | DSpair | loves some Dennis Kucinich . . . and his wife :P |
| 01:31.22 | [TK]D-Fender | unpaidbill: he was too "flakey" and "open gov't" to be taken seriously. |
| 01:31.37 | [TK]D-Fender | Kucinich was my #2, tied with Ron Paul. |
| 01:31.53 | DSpair | Kucinich was always my #1, he rocks... |
| 01:31.54 | [TK]D-Fender | Those last 2, EiTEHR would have made me very happy. |
| 01:32.34 | [TK]D-Fender | Gravel was WAY to ideoligcally perfect to be possible (in our society). |
| 01:32.43 | DSpair | My big problem with the remaining candidates is that neither strike me as long-term thinkers. |
| 01:32.58 | unpaidbill | ron paul is a crazy bible thumper though |
| 01:33.01 | [TK]D-Fender | DSpair: Yeah, so look for the one least likely to start WW3 ;) |
| 01:33.14 | routerweasel | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:33.28 | DSpair | [TK]D-Fender, Oh, don't you worry, I have my Obama sticker on my bumper. |
| 01:33.28 | unpaidbill | Kucinich has a hot wife so he is my #2 |
| 01:33.30 | [TK]D-Fender | unpaidbill: Yes, but on a LEGAL standpoint, he'd leave most things to the states and not control the shit out of everybody. |
| 01:33.48 | [TK]D-Fender | unpaidbill: like Carlin says "Keep thy religion to thyself!" |
| 01:33.59 | unpaidbill | wise words |
| 01:34.01 | [TK]D-Fender | very |
| 01:34.08 | DSpair | RIP George Carlin... :( |
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| 01:34.23 | [TK]D-Fender | DSpair: agreed... he was a fave... |
| 01:34.41 | unpaidbill | the thing that really won me over for gravel was how he answered the question about 'evolution vs creationism' |
| 01:34.46 | DSpair | [TK]D-Fender, One of the few intelligent people that could get a message heard by a large audience. |
| 01:34.47 | JayTee52 | "An old white haired man that lives in the sky....." :-) |
| 01:34.54 | unpaidbill | and he says something like... if you dont believe in evolution you're an idiot, period. |
| 01:34.55 | [TK]D-Fender | the "fool" is usually the "wise man" in this universe... |
| 01:35.23 | DSpair | unpaidbill, I'm on board with that. |
| 01:35.33 | unpaidbill | i have to find the clip, it's hilarious |
| 01:35.40 | [TK]D-Fender | unpaidbill: and"If I'm wrong, may God strike this audience dead!" (laughter) |
| 01:35.48 | unpaidbill | haha |
| 01:36.04 | [TK]D-Fender | unpaidbill: Guess if he's wrong, he knows now :) |
| 01:36.11 | DSpair | unpaidbill, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYh5NUYCYsM |
| 01:36.34 | unpaidbill | ah hah i found it .We thought we had made a big advance with the Scopes monkey trial . My God, evolution is a fact, and if these people are disturbed by being the descendants of monkeys and fishes, they.ve got a mental problem....That ends the story as far as I.m concerned.. |
| 01:36.57 | unpaidbill | i guess mental problem is slightly less offensive than idiot? |
| 01:38.16 | DSpair | Mike Gravel "You can't legislate morality" . . . True enough!! |
| 01:38.31 | mchou | American Taliban |
| 01:39.21 | [TK]D-Fender | DSpair: Not quite. |
| 01:40.28 | JayTee52 | I saw a 2 or 3 minute video where Mike Gravel just stared intensely into the camera without speaking then turned around and walked over to a pond behind him and threw a large rock into it, stood there and watched it for another minute and then walked away. |
| 01:40.32 | [TK]D-Fender | DSpair: When you get down to it law is supposed to be there there to protect us from our darker nature. take murder. Thas consider "wrong". Immoral : against a certain code of ethics. |
| 01:40.51 | [TK]D-Fender | DSpair: so s/morailty/dogam-religion-etc) |
| 01:41.02 | unpaidbill | yea that's awesome jaytee, he and mccain should do a comedy tour |
| 01:41.14 | [TK]D-Fender | JayTee52: Oh God... yeah, that was a wingnut video. |
| 01:41.15 | unpaidbill | the dynamic duo |
| 01:41.21 | DSpair | [TK]D-Fender, Yes, but the point being made was that you can't force people to be moral via the law, you can only punish them for be immoral. |
| 01:42.28 | [TK]D-Fender | DSpair: Well duh, law can't stop you from doing anything. Not until they chip your heads (keep an eye on DHS Skunkworks!) |
| 01:42.32 | JayTee52 | so is a McCain presidency really just a third Bush term or will Obama get in and suddenly the terrorists will want to be our best buddies and gas will drop to 1.75 a gallon? |
| 01:43.06 | [TK]D-Fender | JayTee52: No, oil is a speculative market error (independently correctable) see : Enron loop-hole. |
| 01:43.33 | [TK]D-Fender | JayTee52: and frankly USA's "Enemies" are in OFFICE. |
| 01:43.44 | DSpair | JayTee52, Neither of the candidates can make any quick and significant changes in their first or second terms. |
| 01:44.07 | [TK]D-Fender | JayTee52: 3000 people die in a (debated) terrorist attack. A one-off. everything that spun out of that is BULLSHIT. |
| 01:44.28 | [TK]D-Fender | DSpair: Sure they can. |
| 01:44.42 | DSpair | The thing that I feel needs to be done is that we need to get some long term thinkers in office who lay the foundation for the growth of our nation over the course of 50 years and not just tens of years. |
| 01:44.43 | JayTee52 | "see, dis is the the thing Louie, we get our lobbyists to get our boys in Washington to remove these restrictions and then we can get everyone to pour their money in over here while we bleed it out over there. It's a sure thing!" |
| 01:44.45 | [TK]D-Fender | DSpair: Commander-in-cheif = controls need for military spending. |
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| 01:45.12 | [TK]D-Fender | DSpair: Pull out of Iraq = huge relief on selling USA to its creditors. |
| 01:45.24 | DSpair | [TK]D-Fender, OK, point taken, they can't make significant POSITIVE gains quickly. |
| 01:45.42 | [TK]D-Fender | DSpair: There's so much negative to fix, its a good thing. |
| 01:46.14 | [TK]D-Fender | DSpair: Nobody said "net surplus", but the MASSIVE impact on the economy and the world could be FAST |
| 01:47.50 | [TK]D-Fender | DSpair: Look at everything Ron Paul said about involvement in the Middle East and "blowback", and realize that money is wasted and the outcome an ever-worsening mess. |
| 01:48.36 | JayTee52 | [TK]D-Fender, I feel like this country's response to 9/11 was more like the knee-jerk mindless mob mentality run amuck and lashing out like a wounded animal rather than the clear headed calculating appropriate responses to such an attack. |
| 01:49.05 | DSpair | Honestly, I don't think that we can pull out of Iraq quickly and expect anything less than a new group of people who resent America. Pulling out too quickly would leave a power vacuum which would allow a corrupt group to gain control in Iraq. |
| 01:49.13 | unpaidbill | blowing up afghanistan, good. blowing up iraq... kind of retarded... |
| 01:49.39 | JayTee52 | and I feel that inspite of all the billions spent and the lives lost in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere I am not one damn bit "safer" than I was on 9/10 |
| 01:49.52 | unpaidbill | honestly, iraq would be much better off if we gave them a few asterisk servers |
| 01:49.59 | mchou | unpaidbill: there is no need to qualify it with "kind of" |
| 01:50.00 | unpaidbill | they would have something to fuck with for countless hours |
| 01:50.00 | DSpair | Should we have gone in in the first place: NO. Can we pull out and leave them without building the proper democratic infrastructure: NO. |
| 01:50.16 | mchou | unpaidbill: it was unmitigated foolishness |
| 01:50.19 | [TK]D-Fender | Ware on drugs <- OMFG. total waste. look at eh #1 story on Digg! http://digg.com/odd_stuff/Black_guy_gets_life_for_smoking_pot |
| 01:50.23 | unpaidbill | good point. can i qualify it with fucking ? |
| 01:50.37 | mchou | unpaidbill: works for me |
| 01:50.40 | unpaidbill | you know what's funny, one time in my youth i ran from the cops |
| 01:50.45 | unpaidbill | for like half a mile |
| 01:50.50 | JayTee52 | I think unpaidbill had a good idea but instead we should give Iraq Asterisk servers and give Iran a whole bunch of trixbox servers. |
| 01:50.55 | unpaidbill | and they told me to go home because arresting me wouldnt do any good |
| 01:51.11 | mchou | unpaidbill: why was that? |
| 01:51.16 | unpaidbill | i have no fucking clue |
| 01:51.23 | mchou | unpaidbill: lol |
| 01:51.27 | unpaidbill | but i almost pissed myself with relief |
| 01:51.32 | unpaidbill | and i never did that shit again |
| 01:51.33 | unpaidbill | haha |
| 01:51.39 | mchou | unpaidbill: the cops were just tired :) |
| 01:51.46 | [TK]D-Fender | unpaidbill: Blowing up anybody = largely a waste. Its all about "blowback", and remember, if they want to hit you in a "terrorist bomber" kind of way, they will. |
| 01:51.49 | unpaidbill | i was like 'ok they're far enough behind me fuck it im going for it' |
| 01:51.56 | unpaidbill | then 'oh fuck they're faster shit' |
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| 01:52.14 | unpaidbill | i think they may have believed me when i told them i didnt notice that tehy were behind me |
| 01:52.22 | mchou | unpaidbill: when you said "running" did you mean on foot? |
| 01:52.27 | unpaidbill | no, in a car |
| 01:52.53 | JayTee52 | "the suspect continued to flee. I called to the subject to stop and he kept running. I fired three warning shots into the back of his head and the subject was rendered cooperative and taken into custody." |
| 01:53.05 | unpaidbill | yeah i wouldnt try to outrun anyone on foot |
| 01:53.08 | DSpair | JayTee52, ROFLMFAO |
| 01:53.15 | unpaidbill | i'd make it like 10 feet and collapse |
| 01:53.31 | unpaidbill | that is true fender |
| 01:53.42 | unpaidbill | we certainly didnt make any friends after our attack on iraq |
| 01:54.00 | unpaidbill | we did produce more people who would love to see us all dead though! |
| 01:54.01 | [TK]D-Fender | unpaidbill: America hasn't made ANY friends lately. |
| 01:54.31 | DSpair | [TK]D-Fender, Oh, come now... We've made friends with crazy people!! |
| 01:55.08 | unpaidbill | damn, that black dude who got life in prison for weed... that is some fucked up shit |
| 01:55.25 | JayTee52 | life in prison for weed? |
| 01:55.40 | unpaidbill | apparently so |
| 01:55.46 | unpaidbill | unless 20/20 is bullshitting me |
| 01:55.46 | [TK]D-Fender | unpaidbill: Yeah, how much taxpayer money does he now cost you? You could supply him weed for LIFE with that and he's be a PRODUCTIVE member of society! |
| 01:55.48 | JayTee52 | in the US? |
| 01:55.59 | DSpair | Let's hope it's more true than the ball girl video. :) |
| 01:56.02 | unpaidbill | oh i've stopped worrying about what my tax money goes to. it's all bullshit |
| 01:56.05 | [TK]D-Fender | unpaidbill: No, thats full-on reality |
| 01:56.07 | unpaidbill | the us govt sucks asshole |
| 01:56.08 | mchou | what do you expect from Texas |
| 01:56.27 | unpaidbill | sorry, the people who hold positions in the us govt suck asshole |
| 01:56.30 | unpaidbill | it's time for a revolution |
| 01:56.42 | mchou | If I were black I'd get the fuck out of TX |
| 01:56.43 | [TK]D-Fender | unpaidbill: AMEN. |
| 01:56.46 | JayTee52 | mostly I've come to expect nothing but arrogance, assholery and just plain stupid from Texas and not much else lately. |
| 01:57.04 | DSpair | unpaidbill, That's why I was happy about the Supreme Court ruling yesterday. |
| 01:57.11 | mchou | JayTee52: now now. Texas has the best looking chicks :) |
| 01:57.13 | [TK]D-Fender | unpaidbill: Frankly another very appealing though is McCain getting INTO offic just long enough to TRIGGER a massive US revolt. |
| 01:57.24 | unpaidbill | haha! |
| 01:57.39 | [TK]D-Fender | unpaidbill: Perverse Psychology <- |
| 01:58.05 | mchou | "partial refund??" |
| 01:58.06 | [TK]D-Fender | unpaidbill: Somethings you need to give people nightmares to make them wake the fuck up. |
| 01:58.09 | mchou | wtf?? |
| 01:58.13 | [TK]D-Fender | sometimes* |
| 01:58.29 | JayTee52 | I went into a Hooters in Plano, TX once and I came out of there convinced there were more and better plastic surgeons in the Dallas/Ft Worth area than all of Southern California combined. |
| 01:58.54 | unpaidbill | i dont think there's anything the us govt could do short of arresting people for short of massive restrictions of free speech that could make us do anything |
| 01:59.02 | [TK]D-Fender | JayTee52: "Everyhing bigger than everything else" <- The Texas way "remember the Alamo!!!!!!" |
| 01:59.05 | unpaidbill | even that i doubt would change anything, most people would just assume it's for the best |
| 01:59.21 | unpaidbill | the USA isnt going to change until russia / china destroy us |
| 01:59.25 | [TK]D-Fender | unpaidbill: SHEEP. |
| 01:59.29 | unpaidbill | yep |
| 01:59.38 | JayTee52 | I love the scene from Pee Wee's Big Adventure at the Alamo. |
| 01:59.42 | DSpair | unpaidbill, Come on, we put the Japanese into "relocation facilities" during World War II, what makes you think we're any better off now? |
| 01:59.42 | unpaidbill | when you have everything you want it's easy to be stupid and lazy :/ |
| 01:59.52 | [TK]D-Fender | unpaidbill: And China wasrumoured (?) to be thinking about doing that by divesting in USD reserves. |
| 02:00.34 | DSpair | Ah well, I'm off to read a book. 'nite all.. |
| 02:00.37 | unpaidbill | i just want china to demand we pay back our loans |
| 02:00.41 | [TK]D-Fender | DSpair: 'nite |
| 02:00.47 | unpaidbill | instant world breakdown |
| 02:00.55 | [TK]D-Fender | unpaidbill: "Reset" <- |
| 02:01.12 | [TK]D-Fender | reaches for the "big red button" |
| 02:01.19 | JayTee52 | some laid off engineer in Michigan or Ohio will be working on trying to develop a more efficient hydrogen fuel cell in his garage workshop and accidentally stumble on real working cold fusion. |
| 02:01.56 | coppice | and call it "Back to the Fusion" |
| 02:02.28 | unpaidbill | haha |
| 02:04.17 | [TK]D-Fender | coppice: http://youtube.com/watch?v=gGeEbDTNzos <- Mr. Fusion! |
| 02:05.08 | coppice | [TK]D-Fender: why are you pointing that out to the one who made the joke? :-\ |
| 02:05.35 | [TK]D-Fender | coppice: Your's didn't specifically allude to the "Mr. Fusion" from #2 |
| 02:05.59 | coppice | Well, it was intended to, but some people just don't get jokes |
| 02:06.33 | [TK]D-Fender | coppice: Agreed. Glad to know you though about both levels on that one. |
| 02:06.49 | coppice | there are more than 2 |
| 02:07.02 | [TK]D-Fender | coppice: true, but those were the majors |
| 02:13.36 | unpaidbill | fender you got me all pissed off |
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| 02:13.46 | unpaidbill | that goddamn 20/20 youtube clip |
| 02:13.54 | unpaidbill | i need a beer now. |
| 02:14.49 | [TK]D-Fender | unpaidbill: All of the US needs to get pissed at that. |
| 02:15.56 | unpaidbill | the problem is that it's not a very uncommon occurance |
| 02:16.03 | coppice | I doubt the US can sort itself out unless it regains some actual news media |
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| 02:17.31 | unpaidbill | oh shit, i could use a named pipe and write a wav file to that using chanspy, couldnt i |
| 02:17.45 | unpaidbill | hmmmmmm |
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| 02:23.55 | x_or | Is there a "catchall" that I can put in my dialplan to do something if the user hangs up without proceeding through the dialplan completely? I'm recording a file and then want to process it once done, but if the user hangs up then the process script never gets called. |
| 02:26.16 | [TK]D-Fender | x_or: Go read up on the "h" Standa Extension. |
| 02:26.21 | [TK]D-Fender | Standard* |
| 02:27.10 | x_or | [TK]D-Fender: Thanks. |
| 02:29.16 | x_or | [TK]D-Fender: So, these extensions will get called after my call has been disconnected? I am not sure if this is to be used before a disconnect, as it says "Could be used to play a goodbye message before hanging up..." This seems like it is used while the caller is still on the line. Perhaps I am not using the correct vocabulary. |
| 02:31.19 | [TK]D-Fender | x_or: "h" is called when the caller hangs up. |
| 02:31.33 | x_or | OK. |
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| 02:35.53 | JayTee52 | wonder if he's as merry a fellow as Tom |
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| 02:36.55 | [TK]D-Fender | sits back to watch "Army Of Darkness" |
| 02:37.04 | unpaidbill | who do you guys use for your SIP/iax provider? |
| 02:37.13 | unpaidbill | ooh army of darkness.. are you getting ready for 'i am bruce' ? |
| 02:37.16 | JayTee52 | boom sticks, never leave home without em |
| 02:37.24 | x_or | unpaidbill: I like voicepulse.com. |
| 02:37.34 | [TK]D-Fender | unpaidbill: haven't seen yet. I've done Evil Dead 1 & 2 this week |
| 02:37.41 | [TK]D-Fender | unpaidbill: jsut rounding out the list. |
| 02:37.49 | unpaidbill | i am bruce is coming out in august i think |
| 02:38.02 | unpaidbill | err, my name is bruce, that is |
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| 02:38.33 | unpaidbill | oh wait it's already on dvd |
| 02:38.38 | unpaidbill | hmm i should get it |
| 02:39.34 | [TK]D-Fender | unpaidbill: "Iam Bruce" was 2007 |
| 02:40.20 | unpaidbill | yeah i ahve a terrible conception of time |
| 02:40.49 | unpaidbill | i thought they were releasing the dvd in august for some reason |
| 02:41.02 | unpaidbill | i cant blame it on beer because i've only had .5 beers today |
| 02:58.11 | x_or | Can I use a gotoif from a "H" standard extension that specifies a label inside a "S" extension? I am using GotoIf($[something]?finish:done) but asterisk in verbose mode says " pbx.c:1881 pbx_extension_helper: No such label 'finish' in extension 'h' in context 'record'" Can I use something like "...?s(finish):s(done)"? |
| 02:59.13 | unpaidbill | ~book |
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| 02:59.39 | nitam | hello |
| 02:59.42 | unpaidbill | h! |
| 02:59.50 | unpaidbill | hi! |
| 03:00.24 | nitam | does anybody knows jiaxclient ? |
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| 04:01.40 | asdx | this is cool, i just connected to the ami with ruby |
| 04:01.55 | asdx | with rami library |
| 04:13.26 | unpaidbill | did you punch the sky and scream 'fuck yeah!!' ? that's what i did my first time. |
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| 04:21.17 | asdx | lol |
| 04:21.44 | asdx | it was pretty cool |
| 04:22.48 | [TK]D-Fender | unpaidbill: Freedom is the only way.... |
| 04:35.33 | hardwire | hai |
| 04:36.14 | asdx | is there documentation out there of how to access the manager with programming languages... the book doesn't tell this and rami is outdated |
| 04:36.23 | hardwire | voip-info.org |
| 04:36.28 | hardwire | and lots of example scripts |
| 04:36.38 | hardwire | check out the python-asterisk packages |
| 04:37.21 | asdx | thanks |
| 04:37.25 | hardwire | you betcha |
| 04:37.51 | hardwire | asdx: I suggest you learn by breaking production voip equipment |
| 04:38.01 | hardwire | the adrenaline helps with storing information in your brain. |
| 04:38.04 | hardwire | :P |
| 04:38.05 | asdx | that's what i'm doing |
| 04:38.28 | asdx | heh |
| 04:40.11 | joat | you probably need to set me up with a section in sip.conf |
| 04:40.17 | joat | so's I can register |
| 04:40.52 | joat | oops... sorry |
| 04:41.08 | hardwire | joat: haha |
| 04:41.22 | hardwire | joat: whats a password you'll remember |
| 04:41.38 | joat | password, of course |
| 04:41.43 | joat | heh |
| 04:41.45 | hardwire | 1234 |
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| 04:46.18 | asdx | so the manager is a socket interface to extract information out from asterisk in programs... and agi is for writting dialplans, etc, in other languages? |
| 04:46.30 | asdx | writing |
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| 04:51.48 | UngaMan | hello |
| 04:52.02 | UngaMan | commands |
| 04:52.15 | UngaMan | well... |
| 04:52.40 | UngaMan | I'm looking for information about Sangoma cards |
| 04:52.52 | UngaMan | and asterisk |
| 04:53.03 | *** join/#asterisk mike8901 (n=mike@ool-45781de2.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 04:53.45 | mike8901 | is anyoen here familiar with Cisco phones? I'm a n00b to VoIP and I'm trying to setup the phones to use SIP. |
| 04:53.49 | mike8901 | *anyone |
| 04:55.51 | asdx | mike8901: have you created the users in sip.conf already? |
| 04:58.27 | hardwire | asdx: check out fastagi |
| 04:58.33 | hardwire | and python-pyst |
| 04:59.12 | UngaMan | hello |
| 04:59.26 | UngaMan | anyone has experience with sangoma cards and asterisk? |
| 04:59.42 | fakhir | UngaMan, you need to ask a specific question. |
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| 05:00.31 | asdx | hardwire: k |
| 05:01.36 | UngaMan | fakhir: ok |
| 05:02.18 | UngaMan | are sangoma A200D cards compatible with Asterisk? |
| 05:03.20 | [TK]D-Fender | UngaMan: Yes |
| 05:05.32 | UngaMan | [TK]D-Fender: thanks |
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| 05:07.13 | UngaMan | Are this Sangoma cards drivers available for Linux 2.6-x kernels? |
| 05:07.39 | [TK]D-Fender | UngaMan: Yes. |
| 05:10.05 | UngaMan | is it possible to set up more than 2 asterisk boxes to communicate via Internet? i.e.: 3 offices at diferent cities, willing to communicate using VoIP |
| 05:10.59 | asdx | yes |
| 05:13.57 | mike8901 | asdx: I must admit that I am using trixbox. |
| 05:14.03 | mike8901 | and so far I've not changed anything |
| 05:14.24 | mike8901 | (other than adding the device into the manager, and setting the device to boot from the tftp on the trixbox server) |
| 05:14.44 | mike8901 | do I need to manually obtain the firmware from cisco? |
| 05:14.55 | asdx | mike8901: i don't know about trixbox man, try in #trixbox |
| 05:15.06 | mike8901 | no one's alive there :( |
| 05:15.23 | asdx | read its manual? |
| 05:15.25 | asdx | switch to cli? |
| 05:15.35 | mike8901 | I tried poking around a bit in the CLI |
| 05:15.37 | asdx | (so we could help you) |
| 05:15.43 | mike8901 | well I don't have it in front of me tbh |
| 05:16.02 | mike8901 | I'm just curious as to if there's something obvious I'm missing |
| 05:16.15 | mike8901 | do you need to get a file from cisco? |
| 05:17.03 | mike8901 | or are cisco phones hopeless, and my best hope is to sell the cisco phone and get a polycom? |
| 05:17.42 | [TK]D-Fender | mike8901: Cisco can be a PITA to convert to SIP, |
| 05:17.50 | [TK]D-Fender | mike8901: Go read the WIKI, and JFGI |
| 05:17.56 | mike8901 | JFGI? |
| 05:18.09 | Strom_M | look up JFGI on search.yahoo.com |
| 05:18.24 | mike8901 | very funny |
| 05:18.40 | mike8901 | assuming I were to get SIP phones, are Polycoms the best? |
| 05:20.08 | [TK]D-Fender | yes |
| 05:20.53 | mike8901 | any particular model? |
| 05:21.24 | [TK]D-Fender | mike8901: All are good. Some better than otheres for value |
| 05:21.46 | mike8901 | are polycoms better than cisco? |
| 05:21.53 | mike8901 | or are they about equal? |
| 05:21.55 | [TK]D-Fender | mike8901: Yes |
| 05:22.00 | mike8901 | better? |
| 05:22.24 | mike8901 | are they just constructed better? |
| 05:22.39 | mike8901 | or do they add features over cisco(not that there's anything really missing from Cisco's phones that I can think of). |
| 05:22.57 | [TK]D-Fender | mike8901: Ciscos SIP implementation is flaky and a PITA. Its also LICENSED |
| 05:23.08 | [TK]D-Fender | Cisco doesn't give a shit about SIP |
| 05:23.08 | UngaMan | Dougals: los majes de Digium te ponen precios estandard... pero no te ayudan mucho al momento de montar/explicar una confirugarcion |
| 05:23.16 | UngaMan | sorry! |
| 05:23.25 | UngaMan | wrong window! |
| 05:23.27 | UngaMan | :( |
| 05:23.41 | mike8901 | TK: I'm talking more over CallManager |
| 05:23.52 | mike8901 | (or rather, a callmanager enabled phone) |
| 05:24.26 | mike8901 | right now we have a bunch of cisco phones 7941/7961, and I'm trying to come up with reasons for my boss to upgrade to asterisk |
| 05:24.45 | mike8901 | we have an old version of callmanager(4.1) and the choices are upgrade callmanager or move to trixbox/asterisk |
| 05:24.51 | [TK]D-Fender | mike8901: ithe reason isn't the phone... |
| 05:25.29 | mike8901 | well the cisco phones with callmanager have been fine - I can't really complain |
| 05:26.14 | mike8901 | anyway I'll read through http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/phones/ps379/products_tech_note09186a0080094584.shtml |
| 05:26.27 | mike8901 | we have a cisco contract so hopefully I can get the SIP firmware |
| 05:38.43 | [TK]D-Fender | mike8901: And Why are you looking to switch? |
| 05:44.32 | mike8901 | beacuse it's a hell of a lot cheaper than upgrading callmanager |
| 05:44.46 | [TK]D-Fender | mike8901: And are you forced to upgrade it? |
| 05:45.05 | mike8901 | the version we use is running on a win2k server and is from that era. |
| 05:45.12 | mike8901 | so yes, we need to upgrade to something |
| 05:45.18 | mike8901 | *something modern |
| 05:47.31 | [TK]D-Fender | mike8901: Go follow the guides on te WIKI, and plenty more are Google-able. Good luck |
| 05:47.42 | mike8901 | yeah |
| 05:47.46 | mike8901 | I'm pretty sure I figured it out |
| 05:47.56 | mike8901 | just have to download the firmware, change the versions and presto |
| 05:47.59 | mike8901 | (hopefully) |
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| 05:50.34 | UngaMan | good nite and thanks for your help |
| 05:50.35 | UngaMan | :) |
| 05:52.03 | [TK]D-Fender | I'm done for the night as well. |
| 05:52.07 | [TK]D-Fender | later all |
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| 06:37.09 | mandh | hi i i changed record format at agents.conf , does i need to restart all asterisk or what? |
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| 07:38.09 | Blacraft | i have a TDM410 with FXS modules, when i ring them i get a beep not a ring. When i answer the phone it hungs up my softphone. anyone got any idea what could be wrong ? |
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| 07:39.31 | A500mg | plop |
| 07:39.43 | A500mg | hello all the people |
| 07:40.37 | A500mg | I search a variable in Asterisk |
| 07:40.58 | A500mg | but i don't see what i want in the detailled variable list of voip-info |
| 07:42.02 | A500mg | i need to know, anywhere in the dialplan, the original sip context of the user who are currently using the dialplan |
| 07:42.35 | A500mg | the context who is specified in sip.conf, with "context=xxxxx" |
| 07:43.20 | A500mg | is anybody know a variable or other things to retrieve this ? |
| 07:50.04 | tzafrir_laptop | the context is where the call leg (channel) begins its life in the dialplan . |
| 07:50.16 | A500mg | yes ! |
| 07:50.30 | A500mg | and i need to retrieve the first context of the current channel |
| 07:52.02 | A500mg | my first context only contains a lot of "include =>" |
| 07:55.03 | A500mg | i will try to explain |
| 07:55.17 | A500mg | i have, for exemple, two context [group1] and [group |
| 07:55.21 | A500mg | [group2] |
| 07:55.52 | A500mg | in sip.conf ten users have context=group1 and ten other users have context=group2 |
| 07:56.14 | A500mg | both context [group1] and [group2] contains the same dialplan: |
| 07:56.20 | A500mg | include => internal |
| 07:56.27 | A500mg | include => external |
| 07:56.31 | A500mg | include => pfiou |
| 07:57.06 | A500mg | a user dial anything who is matched by an extension in "external" |
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| 07:57.45 | A500mg | in need to know if this user begin her call with [group1] context or [group2] context |
| 07:57.47 | A500mg | :) |
| 07:58.00 | A500mg | (his call, sorry) |
| 08:02.53 | florz | no female users allowed on your pbx? =:-) |
| 08:04.09 | A500mg | :DD |
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| 08:17.51 | tzafrir_laptop | A500mg, use ${CONTEXT} . Works as long as you don't GoTo() somewhere else. |
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| 08:20.51 | A500mg | oooh so simple ? |
| 08:21.35 | A500mg | ${CONTEXT} contains the current context |
| 08:21.37 | A500mg | okkkk |
| 08:21.44 | A500mg | i will try this |
| 08:21.46 | A500mg | thanks |
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| 09:28.02 | mlkjhg | hi |
| 09:28.59 | mlkjhg | i usual to use asterisk GUI |
| 09:29.23 | mlkjhg | now i try to deploy an asterisk file |
| 09:29.54 | mlkjhg | where i can see something like |
| 09:30.43 | mlkjhg | exten => _1XXX,1,Dial(SIP/${EXTEN}@1.1.1.1:5080) |
| 09:30.45 | mlkjhg | exten => _1XXX,n,Hangup |
| 09:30.46 | mlkjhg | exten => _2XXX,1,Dial(SIP/${EXTEN}) |
| 09:30.48 | mlkjhg | exten => _2XXX,n,Hangup |
| 09:31.02 | mlkjhg | can anyone explain me what that it mean ? |
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| 09:39.40 | mlkjhg | xten => _1XXX,1,Dial(SIP/${EXTEN}@1.1.1.1:5080) |
| 09:39.48 | mlkjhg | what that line it mean |
| 09:39.49 | mlkjhg | ??? |
| 09:41.01 | Veggen | means that if someone dials in with a number that starts with 1 and then three more digits, you send it via sip to the same number with sip at the server at 1.1.1.1 |
| 09:41.29 | Veggen | but I'd recommend going to some tutorial site to read up on beginner stuff. This *is* truly basic. |
| 09:41.47 | Veggen | (and then come back and ask if you don't understand what's written there ;) |
| 09:45.07 | A500mg | but |
| 09:45.13 | A500mg | 1.1.1.1 is not a real ip ? |
| 09:45.26 | Veggen | no, so probably that's taken from an example. |
| 09:45.31 | A500mg | oh ok :) |
| 09:45.59 | A500mg | i thinks "maybe a very special lookback adresse for asterisnow..." |
| 09:45.59 | A500mg | :D |
| 09:46.08 | mlkjhg | sorry |
| 09:46.12 | mlkjhg | thx Veggen |
| 09:46.15 | Veggen | it's a *valid* ip-adress, but I don't think it's in use :) (as is the case for a lot of the address space sold/handed out early) |
| 09:46.58 | mlkjhg | and what is the second number after comma ? |
| 09:47.06 | mlkjhg | the 1 ? |
| 09:47.09 | mlkjhg | for what ? |
| 09:47.44 | Veggen | the first task in the extension. it always has to start with 1. |
| 09:48.04 | Veggen | But, no go read up on extensions.conf. Please. It will save both you and us some work. really. |
| 09:48.26 | mlkjhg | ok |
| 09:48.29 | mlkjhg | thx Veggen |
| 09:48.31 | mlkjhg | bye |
| 09:48.54 | Veggen | www.voip-info.org has a lot of stuff, both for beginners and experienced. |
| 09:49.14 | mlkjhg | i got ban to that website |
| 09:49.22 | mlkjhg | i don't how |
| 09:49.26 | Veggen | uh? |
| 09:49.31 | mlkjhg | i cant access to the website |
| 09:50.49 | mlkjhg | ok nopblm |
| 09:50.51 | mlkjhg | thx bye |
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| 10:06.38 | masus | hi all , is it possible to make a call from a bash script? Thanks |
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| 10:12.19 | Veggen | well. Sort of, I guess. what do you want to use that call for? |
| 10:12.43 | Veggen | (I ask, because the answer will depend on that :) |
| 10:14.37 | Veggen | See http://www.voip-info.org/tiki-index.php?page=Asterisk+auto-dial+out - it will give some hints about how you can dial out, for example from a bash shell. |
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| 10:18.31 | masus | :) |
| 10:18.35 | masus | Veggen: Thank U |
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| 10:35.35 | shtoom | Hi, when I execute a dialplan application from EAGI script audio is not coming until the application execution complete and control is returned to agi script , is it normal behavior ? |
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| 11:36.36 | drehlecom | I just noticed that this channel is logged to a website ( http://purl.rikers.org/%23asterisk/ ). If it's official, I recommend to announce it in the topic or somewhere else, just that every user knows it |
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| 11:37.49 | A500mg | woaa |
| 11:37.53 | A500mg | a good url thanks |
| 11:38.02 | lmadsen | morning all |
| 11:38.03 | A500mg | mmh |
| 11:38.17 | A500mg | what is the best method for search in this logs ? |
| 11:38.45 | lmadsen | drehlecom: its not official, and the topic is already pretty long :) |
| 11:39.39 | lmadsen | heh, actually looks like its so long not even the whole thing is there :) |
| 11:40.03 | drehlecom | A500mg: try http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=keyword+site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fpurl.rikers.org%2F%2523asterisk%2F&btnG=Google+Search |
| 11:40.05 | dFence | hey guys. when i'll be using asterisk only for sth. like wakeup-calls etc (so not too heavy work) can i put it on a nslu2 under openwrt? |
| 11:40.37 | A500mg | oh yes with google |
| 11:40.38 | A500mg | thanks |
| 11:40.39 | lmadsen | dFence: if openwrt has asterisk compiled in, sure |
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| 11:41.21 | dFence | lmadsen: i've seen reports that it's _doable_.. i'm more looking for _running stable_ |
| 11:41.35 | lmadsen | dFence: I have no comment on that |
| 11:42.07 | lmadsen | but asterisk seems to run well on embedded platforms -- so if you can get asterisk running on it, it should be stable |
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| 11:43.53 | drehlecom | lmadsen: okay, the topic length, yes that's a reason :) |
| 11:49.11 | unpaidbill | ~centos52bug |
| 11:49.12 | jbot | [~centos52bug] There is a bug compiling Zaptel "xpp" (Astribank) driver with CentOS/RHEL 5.2. Either uncheck it from MENUCONFIG, or please read the following for instructions on how to correct : http://bugs.digium.com/view.php?id=12889 |
| 11:51.45 | coldstea1 | hey u guys i have a quick bash question |
| 11:52.07 | lmadsen | coldstea1: that is probably a better question for ##linux |
| 11:52.37 | unpaidbill | unless you're trying to use sip through nat and you want to inquire about the most therapudic item to bash |
| 11:52.37 | coldstea1 | lol wrong window sorry |
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| 11:53.21 | _MrSeb_ | Hi to all |
| 11:56.05 | _MrSeb_ | someone is able to explain me a possible nat problem? outgoing call work correctly, with audio in/out too, but for incoming call seems that the packet don't arrive; asterisk server is configured as dmz machine... |
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| 12:01.40 | lmadsen | _MrSeb_: make sure there is no firewall on the asterisk box as well: iptables -L -v |
| 12:02.12 | ^shark_ | hi friends i came across this site >> http://wiki.dovecot.org/SSL/CertificateCreation how i can create ssl certs for dovecot. I have edited the dovecot-openssl.cnf and also have the mkcert.sh. My question is-- how do i go on from here |
| 12:02.27 | lmadsen | ^shark_: that is not an asterisk question |
| 12:03.39 | ^shark_ | lmadsen: true, but i amm trying to implement this in asterisk,i think someone has worked on this before and i need help |
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| 12:15.59 | _MrSeb_ | lmadsen: I've checked with tcpdump, I've two sip provider and when I do a call to my asterisk server no particular traffic arrive |
| 12:16.29 | lmadsen | _MrSeb_: you've simply avoided answering the question I asked |
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| 12:17.34 | masus | does anyone know how to fix this warning "Jun 28 14:14:39 NOTICE[3099] chan_sip.c: stale nonce received from " thanks |
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| 12:19.15 | _MrSeb_ | lmadsen: I've open 5060-5082 and 8000-20000 |
| 12:19.42 | lmadsen | perhaps you're not registered to the service provider |
| 12:19.48 | lmadsen | you're not really giving me anything to go on |
| 12:20.43 | _MrSeb_ | with sip show registry I see the two provider in state registred |
| 12:23.08 | _MrSeb_ | lmadsen: with tcpdump, with incoming call, I don't see the traffic to be more intensive |
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| 12:32.05 | zepmantra | ~centos52bug |
| 12:32.05 | jbot | [~centos52bug] There is a bug compiling Zaptel "xpp" (Astribank) driver with CentOS/RHEL 5.2. Either uncheck it from MENUCONFIG, or please read the following for instructions on how to correct : http://bugs.digium.com/view.php?id=12889 |
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| 12:45.26 | unpaidbill | oh baby |
| 12:45.29 | unpaidbill | i feel so good right now |
| 12:45.32 | unpaidbill | i fixed a goddamn bug |
| 12:45.38 | unpaidbill | sorry, not in asterisk |
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| 13:13.02 | mandh | if there is some one like so@domain.com |
| 13:13.13 | mandh | and i wann to call the sip using extension |
| 13:13.18 | mandh | what application i must use |
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| 13:35.30 | MrNaz | Hi All, I think I've figured out the source of all my problems... my asterisk server isn't listening on port 5060. What should I be looking at to figure out why init.d isn't opening port 5060 and sending it to asterisk when I try and connect? |
| 13:35.38 | MrNaz | sip.conf has port=5060 in it |
| 13:36.27 | RoyK | huh? |
| 13:36.29 | RoyK | init.d? |
| 13:36.52 | RoyK | inetd isn't used with asterisk - asterisk just listens to udp 5060 |
| 13:37.01 | MrNaz | well, I thought it would be /etc/init.d/asterisk that would drive that |
| 13:37.12 | RoyK | that's just a script starting asterisk |
| 13:37.17 | RoyK | asterisk listens to the port |
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| 13:38.33 | MrNaz | RoyK hmm, is there an easy way to check if it is actually listening? I'm using some softphones and they don't seem to be able to register |
| 13:38.38 | MrNaz | sip show peers shows nothing etc. |
| 13:39.13 | unpaidbill | luuuuuuSEEEEEEE *whack* |
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| 13:40.04 | RoyK | MrNaz: netstat -ln --udp will show ports in listen state |
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| 13:40.25 | ^shark_ | hi friends, who can help me out with this >> http://pastebin.com/m68f25126 |
| 13:40.32 | RoyK | MrNaz: lsof -p `pidof asterisk` will show what file handles asterisk has open, including tcp and udp ports |
| 13:40.42 | MrNaz | RoyK ah thanks, it's definitely listeinng on 5060 |
| 13:41.15 | RoyK | MrNaz: seems like asterisk doesn't want to connect to a self-signed ssl certificate |
| 13:41.37 | ^shark_ | why would that be |
| 13:41.40 | MrNaz | ^shark_ I think that one was for you |
| 13:42.05 | RoyK | MrNaz: if they're having problems registering, try turning on sip debug or use wireshark/tcpdump/ethereal/something to sniff the net to see what's going on |
| 13:42.32 | RoyK | prefers wireshark over sip debug |
| 13:42.54 | ^shark_ | i have configured my dovecot,imap with ssl support and i was told i need nothing to do in * for this to work |
| 13:43.17 | ^shark_ | but i dont see how it works out for me, unless i disable ssl support in dovecot! |
| 13:43.17 | MrNaz | RoyK hmm, Twinkle is saying I'm getting a 503 service unavailable which seems weird given it sounds like a http code |
| 13:43.38 | Corydon76-dig | ^shark_: you need to put your certificate authority certificate in that path |
| 13:44.05 | Corydon76-dig | ^shark_: you may self-sign, but the CA cert needs to be there |
| 13:44.15 | ^shark_ | Corydon76-dig: what path do you mean |
| 13:44.46 | Corydon76-dig | ^shark_: tlscafile= |
| 13:45.08 | Corydon76-dig | or tlscadir= |
| 13:45.13 | ^shark_ | Corydon76-dig: sorry i am very lost, wheredo i find this? |
| 13:45.25 | Corydon76-dig | ^shark_: go read up on openssl |
| 13:45.35 | ^shark_ | k |
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| 13:49.19 | RoyK | http://www.holytaco.com/2008/06/27/the-douchiest-phone-message-in-history/ |
| 13:49.58 | RoyK | MrNaz: SIP was designed with HTTP in mind - the status codes are mostly the same |
| 13:50.24 | MrNaz | RoyK ah ok... thanks. |
| 13:51.36 | RoyK | ~sip |
| 13:51.36 | jbot | rumour has it, sip is http://www.cs.columbia.edu/sip/ X11 PPP dialer interface written in gtk+. URL: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Campus/3104/sip/ Session Initiation Protocol (see RFC 3261) |
| 13:51.57 | RoyK | ~rfc 3261 |
| 13:52.28 | Nasra | ~Asterisk |
| 13:52.29 | jbot | [asterisk] the best free PBX in the world, or #asterisk on irc.freenode.net, or http://www.asterisk.org, or just like a mini-mall |
| 13:53.27 | RoyK | ~asterisk |
| 13:53.27 | jbot | well, asterisk is a free PBX, or #asterisk on irc.freenode.net, or http://www.asterisk.org, or just like a mini-mall |
| 13:53.59 | Nasra | RoyK: hello.... |
| 13:54.11 | Strom | ...a mini-mall? |
| 13:54.54 | Nasra | just like a huge mall (everything in it)...hehehe |
| 13:54.55 | MrNaz | RoyK thanks for the tip.... "Destination Unreachable (Host administratively prohibited)" ... now I just need to work out what on earth is blocking sip traffic :) |
| 13:56.43 | RoyK | MrNaz: do you get anything with sip debug? |
| 13:57.19 | MrNaz | RoyK no, it's not getting that far. I'm running wireshark on the machine with the sip softphone. When I try and connect to the sip server I'm getting the above message |
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| 14:00.24 | MrNaz | RoyK the iptables rules on the asterisk box are all ALLOW... which would suggest the router, but it doesn't have any restrictions on it either |
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| 14:01.19 | Mike8861 | hello all. |
| 14:01.56 | Mike8861 | is there any suggestion on building rock-solid, fault-tolerence, reduduncy asterisk ??? |
| 14:02.17 | Mike8861 | assume i am implementing this for a hospital, so this cannot be down at anytime |
| 14:03.41 | masus | ~manager |
| 14:03.41 | jbot | rumour has it, manager is a thing that should be killed |
| 14:03.50 | ^shark_ | Corydon76-dig: from what i have researched, i am to edit the sip.conf with the parameters-- tlscafile=/etc/ssl/dovecot.pem tlscadir=/etc/ssl/ but still get error. |
| 14:03.58 | masus | ~manager.conf |
| 14:04.43 | RoyK | MrNaz: iptables -I INPUT -p udp --dport 5060 -j ALLOW |
| 14:05.03 | RoyK | MrNaz: does the router do NATing? |
| 14:07.30 | Corydon76-dig | ^shark_: you need to install it in a place that the uwimap client looks for ssl ca's |
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| 14:09.43 | Corydon76-dig | ^shark_: on Debian-derived systems, that path would be /etc/ssl/certs |
| 14:11.02 | ^shark_ | Corydon76-dig: -r--r--r-- 1 root root 1038 2008-06-28 16:24 /etc/ssl/certs/dovecot.pem |
| 14:11.52 | ^shark_ | Corydon76-dig: & yes i am running debian etch |
| 14:12.21 | Corydon76-dig | ^shark_: I'm showing a rendered file at /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt |
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| 14:12.30 | tzafrir_laptop | Any way to tell it not to use SSL (if it is on the same host)? |
| 14:12.34 | Corydon76-dig | ^shark_: it appears to be all of the certs concatenated |
| 14:12.55 | Corydon76-dig | ^shark_: try concatenating your cert to the end of that file |
| 14:13.25 | rwaite | hi all, i'm wondering: when using a queue with ringall, the phones that dont answer say missed call. is there a way to prevent them fom displaying that? possibly from some kind of sip message from the server |
| 14:14.49 | Corydon76-dig | rwaite: check with the vendor for your phone |
| 14:15.15 | Corydon76-dig | rwaite: there is no standard SIP header for that purpose, though |
| 14:15.32 | rwaite | okay thanks. they're polycom phones and i have all the docs, so i guess i'll just pour thru them |
| 14:15.52 | unpaidbill | just set the callerid to Teabag Express, problem solved |
| 14:15.58 | Corydon76-dig | rwaite: I know you CAN turn off the missed call notifications, though |
| 14:16.02 | ^shark_ | Corydon76-dig: how would i do that!? |
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| 14:16.47 | Corydon76-dig | ^shark_: cat foo.crt >> /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt |
| 14:17.02 | ^shark_ | k thx |
| 14:21.28 | MrNaz | RoyK thanks, brb, needing to change network connections |
| 14:22.00 | ^shark_ | Corydon76-dig: i have concatenated like you said & edited sip.conf with tlscafile=/etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt & tlscadir=/etc/ssl/certs/ but still no luck. |
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| 14:22.07 | ^shark_ | still get the error! |
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| 14:23.37 | Corydon76-dig | ^shark_: you may need to redo your certs so that there's a separate ca cert |
| 14:23.44 | rwaite | hmm. so asterisk can send missed call events |
| 14:24.09 | rwaite | i suppose i may have to manually code in all the times i want * to send them, and then set the poly to only use those |
| 14:26.57 | ManxPower | rwaite: maybe in 1.6 |
| 14:27.35 | rwaite | yikes. okay i guess it would be alright to manually clear out the list for now :) |
| 14:28.07 | ManxPower | rwaite: I was not aware Asterisk supported missed call notification. That's normally always a function of the actual phone. |
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| 14:35.10 | flush | yo |
| 14:35.11 | flush | mayday |
| 14:35.35 | flush | http://pastebin.com/meedd7bd |
| 14:36.18 | flush | i start zapbarge, i say i wanna listen to channel 2 (2 is my fxo.. it was a mistake) then i get this output in the asterisk cli and now the phone that i dialed zapbarge extension with it doesnt work anymore, no dial tone nothing |
| 14:36.22 | flush | any idea |
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| 14:37.49 | ManxPower | Flushwhat version of Asterisk/Zaptel |
| 14:38.21 | flush | svn 1.4.7 |
| 14:38.26 | flush | zaptel i dont know.. |
| 14:38.47 | flush | oh no actually i didnt compose "2" as for my fxo module, i did "200" cause i thought it was the extension and not hte channel.. i didnt listen correctly |
| 14:38.48 | ManxPower | try upgrading then, do NOT use 1.4.21 |
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| 14:39.09 | flush | i restarted it and now it works |
| 14:39.23 | flush | hi [TK]D-Fender |
| 14:39.55 | Mike8861 | hello [TK]D-Fender |
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| 14:42.08 | Mike8861 | is there any suggestion on building rock-solid, fault-tolerence, reduduncy asterisk ??? |
| 14:42.19 | Mike8861 | assume i am implementing this for a hospital, so this cannot be down at anytime |
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| 14:42.53 | ManxPower | Mike8861: hire a consultant |
| 14:43.52 | Mike8861 | like who ?? |
| 14:44.05 | [TK]D-Fender | Mike8861: if you don't have a top-notch designer and maintainer, then * will not be the rightr choice for you. |
| 14:44.57 | ManxPower | Mike8861: There is no such thing as 100% availability. |
| 14:45.39 | [TK]D-Fender | Mike8861: Go get some tried & true hardware key-system and be happy with it. |
| 14:45.58 | ManxPower | Mike8861: You have issues of Asterisk bugs, hardware failure, hardware bugs, driver bugs, T-1/PRI failure, switch failure. You can't control most of these items. |
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| 14:46.54 | Mike8861 | [TK]D-Fender, hardware pbx or keyline system are not that flexable, i dunno how they can link with crm, erp or any part of information suytem |
| 14:47.28 | Mike8861 | thanks all, i will take you5r suggestion |
| 14:47.43 | Mike8861 | maybe asterisk not for me at this time |
| 14:50.52 | [TK]D-Fender | Mike8861: Of course your don't know, because you haven't looked. |
| 14:51.01 | ManxPower | Mike8861: Asterisk isn't really a PBX. It is really a PBX Toolkit that allows you to build a PBX. |
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| 15:01.00 | Veggen | Mike8861: it might be, but there's no such thing as an enterprise-ready "distribution" of asterisk yet. In time, someone will probably make it. And you're likely to find a company that will give you that service. |
| 15:01.10 | Veggen | But there's no such thing as 100% availability. |
| 15:03.52 | [TK]D-Fender | Mike8861: right off the bat you'd be needing to run SER as a fornt-end, multiple servers, dealing with database redundency, etc. |
| 15:04.40 | [TK]D-Fender | Mike8861: Hire a consultant or consider this a "hobby" for a long time to come |
| 15:05.32 | ManxPower | Mike8861: I've been using Asterisk for at least 6 years and *I* would not try what you want to do without at a least 6 months of development, testing, design. |
| 15:07.35 | Mike8861 | [TK]D-Fender, ManxPower, Veggen, thanksz for all the comment, i will reconsider this |
| 15:08.41 | [TK]D-Fender | Mike8861: Add to thatthe fact your PSTN connectivity should almost certainly be something like an AudioCodes rackmount gateway, not a CPI type card. |
| 15:09.05 | [TK]D-Fender | Mike8861: * would become a back-end services part of your "big picture". |
| 15:09.31 | Veggen | that said, if you can live with the chance of *some* downtime (i.e. that the system you have today isn't that great), the initial effort will be much easier. |
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| 15:10.05 | lmadsen | ManxPower: yep, thats about how long it takes. 6-8 months for a top notch asterisk integrator |
| 15:10.10 | Veggen | because asterisk is not that unstable, really. But 100% - or close to 100% - availability costs a lot of time and money. |
| 15:10.26 | lmadsen | at least triple that for someone who doesn't know asterisk all that well |
| 15:11.16 | lmadsen | you have to define what 100% means -- not dropping calls is impossible if a server crashes, but if you can lose a call and just need the ability to immediately be able to call again, then not so hard |
| 15:11.17 | Veggen | lmadsen: Well..you can always cut some corners if you have a true an tested setup to reuse. |
| 15:11.29 | lmadsen | Veggen: "cut corners" -- no thanks |
| 15:12.11 | Veggen | lmadsen: Well. What I meant, if you can rebuild the system that you did the last time, without any significant changes, it need not take 6 months. |
| 15:12.13 | lmadsen | I do clustered systems, so ya, I have some cookie cutter stuff I can build from, but most of the time it has to be built from scratch since I'm typically interacting with a company that already has part of a database built |
| 15:12.25 | lmadsen | Veggen: rarely does that happen in my experience |
| 15:12.34 | Veggen | lmadsen: well, that's probably true. |
| 15:12.41 | lmadsen | only simple systems typically get reused |
| 15:12.50 | lmadsen | complex systems typically need to be built from scratch |
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| 15:13.03 | lmadsen | because everyone expects different features, and for them to work slightly differently |
| 15:13.18 | lmadsen | and I've been doing this for 2 years now :) |
| 15:13.26 | lmadsen | (complex systems... asterisk full time for abotu 5-6 years now) |
| 15:14.29 | lmadsen | I'd love to get to the point that I could build one of my systems though and actually use that as a base for other companies :) |
| 15:14.40 | lmadsen | time does not permit me to build such a vanilla system though |
| 15:15.18 | [TK]D-Fender | lmadsen: Avoiding losing calls is easier with SER running the top on solid-state equipment |
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| 15:18.58 | lmadsen | [TK]D-Fender: assuming you're not handling the media or trying to record calls, or trying to monitor calls, etc.... |
| 15:19.15 | lmadsen | because then the audio is not failed when asterisk fails |
| 15:19.26 | [TK]D-Fender | lmadsen: as I described earlier, only as a back-end. |
| 15:20.08 | [TK]D-Fender | lmadsen: Not sure what SER can offer for those more interesting bits... |
| 15:20.14 | lmadsen | nothing |
| 15:20.17 | lmadsen | ser doesn't do media |
| 15:20.26 | lmadsen | (yes I know there is rtpproxy) |
| 15:24.49 | [TK]D-Fender | lmadsen: So in that category... baked, not fried :) |
| 15:28.18 | JayTee52 | a delicate crunch vs the crackly crunch.....still end up with orange fingers |
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| 15:35.51 | MrNaz | This is a little frustrating. I'm trying to work out how to route calls from my sip phones through my FXO and my google searches seem to be failing me |
| 15:36.03 | MrNaz | can anyone suggest a doc that would explain to me how on earth I send calls out through my pstn line?> |
| 15:36.15 | lmadsen | ~docs |
| 15:36.15 | jbot | [~docs] Asterisk documentation can be found at http://www.digium.com/index.php?menu=documentation , http://www.asteriskdocs.org , http://www.asteriskguru.com , the WIKI (~wiki), or the BOOK (~book) |
| 15:36.30 | Strom | MrNaz: the Dial() application, perhaps? :) |
| 15:36.49 | lmadsen | Strom: you maniacal bastard |
| 15:37.02 | MrNaz | Strom well, I kinda figured that heh... I can't quite figure out how to tell it to route the messages through to the correct interface though :) |
| 15:37.19 | MrNaz | exten => 0,1,Dial(Zap/g1/${EXTEN:1)) |
| 15:37.24 | MrNaz | was one of the things I was trying |
| 15:37.28 | ManxPower | lmadsen: can you add a reference to /path/to/src/asterisk/doc to that factoid? |
| 15:37.32 | lmadsen | MrNaz: and you defined a group? |
| 15:37.43 | MrNaz | lmadsen yes |
| 15:37.50 | ManxPower | MrNaz: Do you strip off the first digit of EXTEN, leaving you with what? |
| 15:38.01 | lmadsen | ManxPower: which one... that Strom is a maniacal bastard? :) |
| 15:38.03 | ManxPower | not "Do" but "So" |
| 15:38.20 | ManxPower | lmadsen: the docs one |
| 15:38.32 | lmadsen | possibly |
| 15:38.38 | lmadsen | but not right now.. doing a system install :( |
| 15:38.40 | [TK]D-Fender | MrNaz: PASTEBIN is your friend. Use it <- |
| 15:38.41 | [TK]D-Fender | ~pb |
| 15:38.42 | jbot | [~pb] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste |
| 15:39.08 | [TK]D-Fender | MrNaz: Not understanding "Dial" is one thing, but I wouldn't even what to guess what you mean by "route calls". |
| 15:39.20 | MrNaz | [TK]D-Fender I'm quite happy to use a pastebin... but I don't know what you're asking me to paste. |
| 15:39.20 | [TK]D-Fender | mrSo show use what you've done and we'll see whats missing. |
| 15:39.31 | [TK]D-Fender | MrNaz: yoru CONFIGS clearly. |
| 15:39.51 | [TK]D-Fender | MrNaz: and probably a call that DOESN'T do what you want it to from CLI including SIP debug <- |
| 15:41.32 | [TK]D-Fender | MrNaz: this "I'm trying to work out how to route calls from my sip phones through my FXO" would probably tell me that you don't know how to make ane xtension in a context your phone points to. |
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| 15:42.38 | MrNaz | [TK]D-Fender you'd probably be right... I'm trying to learn it. http://rafb.net/p/UACiTD19.html |
| 15:43.28 | [TK]D-Fender | MrNaz: You pasted your sip.conf twice, not your extensions.conf |
| 15:43.31 | MrNaz | http://rafb.net/p/Y0LiMb54.html oops, mispasted on the last |
| 15:44.06 | [TK]D-Fender | MrNaz: [incoming] does not have an exten to matchw ath you dialed |
| 15:45.34 | [TK]D-Fender | MrNaz: ;exten => 0xxxxxxxxx,1,Dial(Zap/4-1/$ {EXTEN:1},70)) <- this line is A) commented out. B) not calling a zaptel device properly (1-4 is not legal format for anything) C) $ {EXTEN:1} has a space between the "$" and "{" D) you "70))" have 2 x ")" at the end. You should only have one |
| 15:46.05 | [TK]D-Fender | MrNaz: And the BIG killer..... you are doing a pttern match without INDICATING that it is a "pattern". |
| 15:46.06 | UngaMan | good morning |
| 15:46.21 | lmadsen | everything is wrong with that line :) |
| 15:46.29 | [TK]D-Fender | MrNaz: * will be looking for the LETTER "x" a bunch of times, and not matching "digits" |
| 15:46.30 | MrNaz | [TK]D-Fender thanks... that gives me quite a few things to look up |
| 15:46.35 | lmadsen | oh... AND you're using lowercase 'x' |
| 15:46.49 | [TK]D-Fender | lmadsen: No... the priority is right, and the application name valid ;) |
| 15:46.49 | UngaMan | perhaps you can help me with some doubts I ahve about Digium cards :) |
| 15:46.59 | [TK]D-Fender | lmadsen: lower case X works last I checked.. |
| 15:47.06 | MrNaz | chuckles... well, hey... if I'm right at the bottom, at least I can only look up :) |
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| 15:47.11 | *** mode/#asterisk [+o stevie_ramjet] by ChanServ |
| 15:47.12 | [TK]D-Fender | UngaMan: Ask a specific question, get a specific answer. |
| 15:47.16 | lmadsen | [TK]D-Fender: actually... personal opinion states priority 1 should always be a NoOp() or Verbose() |
| 15:47.21 | UngaMan | hey Fender |
| 15:47.27 | [TK]D-Fender | MrNaz: What card do you have? |
| 15:47.28 | lmadsen | [TK]D-Fender: it does, BUT it matches differently |
| 15:47.41 | MrNaz | [TK]D-Fender TDM410 04b |
| 15:47.50 | [TK]D-Fender | lmadsen: Really? What's it do? Or does it simply cause sorting screwups? :) |
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| 15:47.54 | lmadsen | [TK]D-Fender: _xxx will match OVER _0XX and I think 001 |
| 15:47.55 | [TK]D-Fender | MrNaz: 4 FXO? |
| 15:48.01 | MrNaz | [TK]D-Fender yep |
| 15:48.06 | UngaMan | Digium cards, as showed at Digium's website, came with the FXS/FXO modules? |
| 15:48.13 | lmadsen | [TK]D-Fender: it is a higher priority than more specific matches |
| 15:48.23 | *** part/#asterisk sacitec (n=tobi@201.144.211.82) |
| 15:48.24 | UngaMan | or they come empty and have to buy the modules apart? |
| 15:48.31 | lmadsen | [TK]D-Fender: that was reported on the -dev list and as a bug, and I think it got fixed, but probably not in 1.4 |
| 15:48.33 | Corydon76-dig | UngaMan: either way |
| 15:48.35 | [TK]D-Fender | UngaMan: the analog cards are MODULAR. You buy a base card and the kind of modules you want to put on it. |
| 15:48.42 | UngaMan | ok |
| 15:48.43 | lmadsen | Corydon76-dig: perfect! maybe you can clarify for me about _xxx |
| 15:48.50 | UngaMan | so the prices stated is only for the base card? |
| 15:48.59 | UngaMan | *price |
| 15:49.02 | [TK]D-Fender | MrNaz: exten => _0XXXXXXXXX,1,Dial(Zap/g1/${EXTEN:1},70) |
| 15:49.20 | Corydon76-dig | UngaMan: digium website doesn't sell blank cards |
| 15:49.24 | MrNaz | [TK]D-Fender should that be in [incoming] or [internal] ? |
| 15:49.38 | UngaMan | ok |
| 15:49.48 | MrNaz | [TK]D-Fender is it the underscore that signifies that it's a pattern? |
| 15:49.50 | Corydon76-dig | UngaMan: if you want to buy separately, you must go through a reseller |
| 15:50.03 | [TK]D-Fender | MrNaz: You need "_" in front of that to indicate it is a PATTERN and not a fixed value. "g1" will use the first available channel in "group 1" (you should have "group=1" specified for your zaptel channels in zapata.conf) |
| 15:50.05 | lmadsen | MrNaz: yes -- read more docs :) |
| 15:50.18 | UngaMan | Corydon-76-dig: can I buy directly from the website? :) |
| 15:50.23 | [TK]D-Fender | MrNaz: And you clearly need to read chapter 5 over and over till your eyes bleed. |
| 15:50.25 | Corydon76-dig | UngaMan: yes |
| 15:50.26 | MrNaz | lmadsen I've been doing nothing but :) |
| 15:50.33 | [TK]D-Fender | UngaMan: just go to a retailer |
| 15:50.34 | MrNaz | [TK]D-Fender shall do |
| 15:50.47 | lmadsen | read more carefully then ... it's pretty clearly defined in chapter 5 of TFoT |
| 15:50.51 | Corydon76-dig | UngaMan: dunno why you would, though. that site sells for full retail price. |
| 15:51.10 | UngaMan | checks Digium's site |
| 15:51.20 | Corydon76-dig | Very few of the resellers charge full retail |
| 15:51.40 | [TK]D-Fender | UngaMan: Go find a store that will ship to where you are for a reasonable price. |
| 15:51.43 | lmadsen | it'd be like buying a polycom phone from polycom instead of from a reseller |
| 15:52.35 | Corydon76-dig | telephonydepot or voipsupply or one of the myriad of others |
| 15:52.52 | [TK]D-Fender | Corydon76-dig: I don't even recognize his domain's country... |
| 15:53.02 | [TK]D-Fender | ".ni"? |
| 15:53.08 | lmadsen | nigeria? |
| 15:53.09 | [TK]D-Fender | UngaMan: Where are you located? |
| 15:53.19 | UngaMan | Central America |
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| 15:53.34 | Veggen | ah, Nicaragua. |
| 15:53.38 | UngaMan | exactly |
| 15:53.39 | lmadsen | that makes sense now :) |
| 15:53.40 | UngaMan | :p |
| 15:53.56 | [TK]D-Fender | UngaMan: if importing doesn't screw you, look at www.telephonydepot.com |
| 15:54.12 | Corydon76-dig | http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+consultants+csa |
| 15:54.32 | Corydon76-dig | UngaMan: Abacus Telecom has a Nicaraguan presence |
| 15:55.03 | UngaMan | Corydon: really? |
| 15:55.08 | UngaMan | that would simplify things |
| 15:55.30 | Corydon76-dig | UngaMan: see link |
| 15:56.12 | Corydon76-dig | There's one other, but I figured the one that is actually in Spanish might be the way to go |
| 15:56.21 | MrNaz | [TK]D-Fender and co. thanks for your help. I need to drop offline so I can test this stuff. Will go back to hitting the books :) |
| 15:56.23 | UngaMan | I called to the number... |
| 15:56.29 | UngaMan | and the company is no longer there |
| 15:56.33 | Corydon76-dig | Ah |
| 15:56.37 | UngaMan | sobs |
| 15:56.45 | UngaMan | is calling the other guy |
| 15:57.21 | UngaMan | oh... it's a consultant |
| 15:57.25 | UngaMan | not a reseller |
| 15:58.21 | UngaMan | is checking on Costa Rica site |
| 15:58.25 | [TK]D-Fender | UngaMan: How bad are duty & taxes on imports? |
| 15:58.25 | Corydon76-dig | https://www.digium.com/en/ecosystem/resellers/locate.php |
| 16:01.26 | UngaMan | for computing technology... not bad |
| 16:01.33 | UngaMan | for communications technology.... |
| 16:01.35 | UngaMan | well |
| 16:02.21 | UngaMan | you have to spend some time dealing with the government Telco administration |
| 16:02.37 | UngaMan | hmm not dealing... dueling! |
| 16:02.44 | Corydon76-dig | UngaMan: I'm guessing that NI is one of the countries using R2 signalling? |
| 16:03.05 | *** join/#asterisk Cyorxamp (n=Cyorxamp@212.57.229.111) |
| 16:03.24 | Cyorxamp | Lo, does asterisk have some kind of cache I can clear for an extension that won't register? |
| 16:03.24 | UngaMan | we are a bit old yet :( |
| 16:04.08 | [TK]D-Fender | Cyorxamp: If t won't register, then the account settings don't match. When the do, it will work. Nothing to "clear" |
| 16:04.37 | Cyorxamp | [TK]D-Fender: Well I've checked the settings already they are fine, its just suddenly stopped registering |
| 16:05.10 | [TK]D-Fender | Cyorxamp: if the phone isn't trying any more, its not *'s fault. |
| 16:05.34 | Cyorxamp | the 2nd identify on this phone registers fine to another phone system |
| 16:05.57 | [TK]D-Fender | Cyorxamp: thats fine and dandy, but deosn't tell me it was done right for yours. |
| 16:06.13 | [TK]D-Fender | Cyorxamp: Go collect SIP DEBUG from * CLI for the failed attempt. |
| 16:06.20 | [TK]D-Fender | Cyorxamp: PASTEBIN is your friend. |
| 16:06.22 | [TK]D-Fender | ~pb |
| 16:06.23 | jbot | [~pb] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste |
| 16:06.24 | Cyorxamp | there is none |
| 16:06.25 | [TK]D-Fender | ^^^^^^^^^^^^ |
| 16:06.32 | Cyorxamp | I have already checked the CLI - nothing hits it |
| 16:06.51 | [TK]D-Fender | Cyorxamp: No traffic via SIP debug = no packets reaching your server = 100% guaranteed not *'s problem. |
| 16:06.53 | Cyorxamp | but asterisk thinks it is registered |
| 16:07.05 | [TK]D-Fender | Cyorxamp: and I did say SIP DEBUG, not just "normal cli output" |
| 16:07.17 | Cyorxamp | will you stop being so damned defensive... I'm just trying to figure out whats wrong - wherever it might be |
| 16:07.32 | [TK]D-Fender | Cyorxamp: pastebin your sip peer, and "sip show peers" |
| 16:08.05 | Cyorxamp | 201/201 212.57.229.111 D N 2057 OK (91 ms) |
| 16:08.10 | Cyorxamp | that is the one I am on about |
| 16:08.22 | [TK]D-Fender | Cyorxamp: and the peer entry? |
| 16:08.53 | [TK]D-Fender | Cyorxamp: and it seems to be responsive to qualify packets... you saying its not really there and responding like * says it is? |
| 16:09.29 | Cyorxamp | the phone says registration fails, yet asterisk shows it is registered |
| 16:09.35 | ManxPower | Cyorxamp: right now, on this channel, [TK]D-Fender is the only one that can/will help you. |
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| 16:09.46 | Cyorxamp | I've tried reloading and also restarting asterisk - same problem |
| 16:09.59 | [TK]D-Fender | Cyorxamp: What ios the symptom of this "prblem"? |
| 16:10.22 | Cyorxamp | oh nevermind, whatever it is I'm going to figure it out myself |
| 16:10.40 | [TK]D-Fender | Cyorxamp: Seriously, what is it doing? |
| 16:10.49 | Cyorxamp | you seem to be the type to make someone jump through pointless loops to only then not have a clue and recommend something mad |
| 16:10.58 | Cyorxamp | just forget I asked |
| 16:11.04 | [TK]D-Fender | Cyorxamp: the "OK" status says its responding to "SIP qualify" packets". Not just a raw ping. |
| 16:11.14 | ManxPower | Cyorxamp: or just wait until someone is on the channel that doesn't mind if you don't provide the required information |
| 16:11.43 | Cyorxamp | no it doesn't matter, I'll figure it out for myself |
| 16:11.51 | [TK]D-Fender | Cyorxamp: You aren't describing what your problem is (the effect), and you aren't showing anything that will help us figure it out without your telling us. |
| 16:12.06 | Cyorxamp | this isn't exactly my first BBQ with asterisk problems, I use it at work all the time |
| 16:12.07 | ManxPower | [TK]D-Fender: just write him off |
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| 16:12.50 | Cyorxamp | All I came in here for was the clear asterisk's knowledge of a previous connection |
| 16:12.56 | Cyorxamp | e.g. the 'Reg. Contact' |
| 16:13.09 | [TK]D-Fender | Cyorxamp: go wipe its entry out of AstDB then <- |
| 16:13.31 | [TK]D-Fender | Cyorxamp: There you have it. |
| 16:13.56 | Cyorxamp | well while we've been talking it seems to have fixed itself somehow |
| 16:14.10 | Cyorxamp | the phone is now registered |
| 16:14.32 | JayTee52 | time for coffee!!! |
| 16:14.42 | [TK]D-Fender | Cyorxamp: and a previous connection will in no way interfere with any subsequent register attempt |
| 16:15.05 | [TK]D-Fender | Cyorxamp: Any new & valid register attempt will override any previous one. |
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| 16:16.02 | Cyorxamp | thanks fender, I've much enjoyed hearing about all the facts of asterisk I was already aware of |
| 16:16.11 | Cyorxamp | and goodbye... |
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| 16:16.35 | [TK]D-Fender | ManxPower: Goota love the idiots who think they have all the answers, no? |
| 16:17.51 | JayTee52 | cue Jim Carey => "Allllllll-righty then!!!!!!" |
| 16:20.05 | JayTee52 | I have few answers and the questions all seem to multiply exponentially with the passage of time. |
| 16:37.29 | UngaMan | oh.. people from Sangoma delivers Cards to Nicaragua |
| 16:38.21 | UngaMan | is taking note |
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| 16:59.35 | UngaMan | I appreciate your help Fender and Corydon |
| 16:59.40 | UngaMan | will be in touch |
| 16:59.42 | UngaMan | :) |
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| 17:53.26 | edwin_quijada | Hi! |
| 17:53.45 | edwin_quijada | I am installing a simple asterisk callcenter with softpphone , xlite |
| 17:54.13 | edwin_quijada | and I have a switch LG and I wanna buy a Cisco catalist 2950 for QoS |
| 17:54.19 | Maliuta | congratulations |
| 17:54.41 | edwin_quijada | Anybody knows if this switch works fine with QoS and Asterisk? |
| 17:55.16 | Maliuta | so your question doesn't relate to * at all, but to Cisco products and QoS |
| 17:55.18 | edwin_quijada | i dont know so much about switch .... |
| 17:55.21 | Maliuta | not supported here |
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| 17:55.34 | edwin_quijada | Maliuta? |
| 17:55.56 | [TK]D-Fender | edwin_quijada: QoS is a ROUTEING question and has nothing to do with VoIP specifically let alone Asterisk |
| 17:55.58 | Maliuta | we do not support cisco stuff here |
| 17:56.14 | edwin_quijada | Can u recommend me a switch with QoS for expereicne |
| 17:56.18 | edwin_quijada | Maliuta: Ok |
| 17:56.33 | [TK]D-Fender | edwin_quijada: Go join #networking or #cisco |
| 17:57.09 | edwin_quijada | Maliuta: So you know any switch works fine in this enviroment no matter the brand |
| 17:57.22 | Maliuta | I'm with [TK]D-Fender |
| 17:57.31 | Maliuta | stop wasting my time/bandwidth |
| 17:58.11 | edwin_quijada | Maliuta: Sorry |
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| 18:02.28 | puzzled | edwin_quijada: search the asterisk mailing list archives. it has been asked (and answered) before |
| 18:02.54 | edwin_quijada | puzzled: can u give the address of mailing list? |
| 18:03.12 | Maliuta | google is your friend |
| 18:03.13 | [TK]D-Fender | ~mailinglist |
| 18:03.14 | jbot | [~mailinglist] The Asterisk mailing lists can be found at http://lists.digium.com , http://www.asteriskguru.com/archives Search the archives by adding "site:lists.digium.com" to your Google search. |
| 18:03.17 | puzzled | edwin_quijada: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/ |
| 18:03.19 | afg_ch | edwin_quijada: how many stations are there in your LAN? |
| 18:03.52 | edwin_quijada | 48 |
| 18:05.25 | afg_ch | edwin_quijada: in case there is no other big filetransfer load, you don't need any QoS on Switch level from my point of view. |
| 18:06.36 | afg_ch | edwin_quijada: because you lan traffic with overybody speaking is only 10 Mbit. Switch transport is a wirespeed and only adds 1-2 ms delay in general, so I don't see why you want to have QoS - just because it sounds good? |
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| 18:09.23 | edwin_quijada | afg_ch: Really, I dont have a huge traffic in this segment but everybody says for avoiding colission and headache in the tlan use QoS switch with aasterisk |
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| 18:14.00 | afg_ch | [20:09] <edwin_quijada> afg_ch: Really, I dont have a huge traffic in this segment but everybody says for avoiding colission and headache in the tlan use QoS switch with aasterisk |
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| 18:14.05 | afg_ch | [20:09] <edwin_quijada> afg_ch: Really, I dont have a huge traffic in this segment but everybody says for avoiding colission and headache in the tlan use QoS switch with aasterisk |
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| 18:15.10 | afg_ch | edwin_quijada: I depends on your budget. Of course you can get a Cisco consultant is and he will advise you to put every computer in a separate VLAN and route only traffic allow from A to B over the Router. |
| 18:15.53 | afg_ch | edwin_quijada: Cisco for me means expensive to buy and more expensive to maintain - or are you CCIE by any chance? |
| 18:16.27 | edwin_quijada | afg_ch: I can use anything but I think in Cisco just for marketing |
| 18:16.29 | [TK]D-Fender | afg_ch: With questions like his I doubt he's even owned or worked with one, let along a CCNA and FORGET a CCNE |
| 18:17.02 | afg_ch | edwin_quijada: I would want QoS on the router, again depending on your upload speed on the wire where you offload TCP/IP to the Internet. |
| 18:17.57 | edwin_quijada | afg_ch: It wont be by internet |
| 18:18.05 | edwin_quijada | just PSTN and LAN |
| 18:18.07 | afg_ch | edwin_quijada: The ToS bit get forwarded by the switch anyway. |
| 18:18.22 | edwin_quijada | nothing by intenrt |
| 18:19.23 | afg_ch | edwin_quijada: Then afford yourself and HP switch with lifelong warranty or go for some higher level D-Link WITH Web management and SNMP. |
| 18:20.42 | afg_ch | edwin_quijada: So you can see network packet collisions and grab nice graphs to MRTG/WRTG without Ci$co knowlege. |
| 18:21.17 | afg_ch | Hi [TK]D-Fender, good to see you. |
| 18:27.39 | afg_ch | I think you guys don't respond because of my bad english. The "a"-key on the keyboard is about to die and if you find other typos, you can keep them for free. |
| 18:32.28 | [TK]D-Fender | afg_ch: or maybe I was just BUSY :p |
| 18:32.49 | [TK]D-Fender | afg_ch: 1 sec while I stop the world from spinning for you... |
| 18:34.23 | afg_ch | [TK]D-Fender: Sorry for flaming. Don't take it personal, please. |
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| 19:13.05 | Fiapo-CE | how do i drop a call by console? |
| 19:13.57 | TJNII | help soft hangup |
| 19:15.44 | Fiapo-CE | thanks |
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| 19:39.24 | DSpair | Good day all.. |
| 19:39.55 | DSpair | So, it appears that 1.4.20.1 has fixed my hung SIP channels issue, but I will be more sure on Monday when I can test with a decent load. |
| 19:41.03 | DSpair | Since I have gotten better help here than from my dCAP certified vendor, would any of you have a recommendation as to a good UI for managing Asterisk? |
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| 19:48.17 | [TK]D-Fender | DSpair: vi :) |
| 19:48.51 | DSpair | OK, I could do just fine with that, but nobody else at work can navigate that well on the command line. |
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| 19:51.13 | [TK]D-Fender | DSpair: ok... gedit :) |
| 19:51.30 | DSpair | [TK]D-Fender, Can we be at least a LITTLE serious? :) |
| 19:52.01 | [TK]D-Fender | DSpair: If you're talking about GUIs, heres the quick version : they run the show, you do EVERYTHING their way and if you don't like it, tough. They own your ass |
| 19:52.27 | [TK]D-Fender | DSpair: "But I want to do XYZ! Can't I just 'NO!'" |
| 19:52.51 | DSpair | [TK]D-Fender, Not so bad, as long as we can accomplish all of the typical PBX functions. Our office doesn't need IVR or anything special, so I suppose our needs are pretty vanilla. |
| 19:53.18 | [TK]D-Fender | DSpair: Then go try them all out, and do what you will with them. |
| 19:53.20 | gr0mit | DSpair, use text files for config then |
| 19:53.27 | *** join/#asterisk jeffgus (n=jeffgus@greengables.zimage.com) |
| 19:53.42 | gr0mit | all guis for asterusk suck DSpair |
| 19:53.55 | gr0mit | they tie you in knots |
| 19:53.58 | *** join/#asterisk putnopvut (n=putnopvu@216.207.245.1) |
| 19:53.58 | *** mode/#asterisk [+o putnopvut] by ChanServ |
| 19:54.07 | gr0mit | and cause much muddlement and confusion |
| 19:54.33 | proute | Hello, I have one SIP count with somes DID number. So I put my register line in sip.conf with number:pass@provider/DID . I have post this message: http://pastebin.com/d18ab5017 |
| 19:54.35 | DSpair | The real issue here is that I try to foster a philosophy of teamwork in our department, and having tasks that only I can perform is not an acceptable option. So, I'm just asking for advice from people I respect. |
| 19:54.48 | gr0mit | you can probably do a complete office pbx in about 20 lines of exensions,conf |
| 19:55.07 | [TK]D-Fender | DSpair: Then either reduce your setup to their level (no advice here), or bring them up. Your call |
| 19:55.07 | proute | In my SIP debug, I have an Invite that is differents of the DID that I try to call. Why? |
| 19:55.26 | [TK]D-Fender | proute: PASTEBIN everything <- |
| 19:55.30 | gr0mit | tbh things are just as easy to break in a gui, and less easy to work out wot is going on |
| 19:55.35 | Veggen | DSpair: If you have relatively simple requirements for your asterisk, then one of the asterisk appliances could work for you. But I think you'll find relatively few people in here who uses/have tried them extensively. |
| 19:55.58 | DSpair | OK, then I appreciate the advice. |
| 19:56.10 | Veggen | and with relatively simple requirements, really it's not so difficult managing config files either ;) |
| 19:57.44 | DSpair | Veggen, While I can personally agree with you, the rest of my department are either AS400 or Windows oriented, and as such are not comfortable on the command line. For me, I've been using Linux and the command line for years and it's where I am MOST comfortable. |
| 19:57.50 | proute | [TK]D-Fender: http://pastebin.com/d488fdc70 |
| 19:59.34 | *** part/#asterisk smach (n=smach@207.35.173.122) |
| 20:00.03 | [TK]D-Fender | proute: line 4 = INVITE sip:0244718242@192.168.0.25 SIP/2.0 |
| 20:00.15 | gr0mit | DSpair, then export /etc/asterisk/sip.conf and extensions.conf in a Samba share and let them edit in Textpad! |
| 20:00.20 | proute | yes but I try to call 0244718240 .... |
| 20:00.21 | DSpair | Ideally, for our environment, I would like to use some of the custom attributes in Active Directory to configure Asterisk. For example, put the MAC address and phone numbers into those fields and have a program on the Asterisk box which rebuilds the conf file dynamically. |
| 20:00.35 | Veggen | DSpair: ok. Here's what I recommend, then: Find a reasonably easy gui-based thing and make sure it doesn't mess up the config files *too much* - but be prepared to do much of the research for the choice yourself :) |
| 20:00.51 | [TK]D-Fender | proute: line 87 : INVITE sip:0244718240@192.168.0.25 SIP/2.0 <- looks like a separate call |
| 20:00.56 | proute | [TK]D-Fender: Moreover in field "TO" I have 0244718240 |
| 20:01.05 | Veggen | DSpair: I have seen some LDAP support for Asterisk. |
| 20:01.20 | proute | [TK]D-Fender: Why the DID are differents? |
| 20:01.37 | DSpair | Veggen, As have I, but our vendor did his best to scare me away from it . . . And after this week, I think it was due to his own ignorance. |
| 20:01.38 | *** join/#asterisk wino[a] (n=wino@unaffiliated/wino) |
| 20:02.32 | DSpair | Our pitiful dCAP guy didn't even know how to use "sip history" or "sip debug". I had to learn about them here. |
| 20:02.33 | Veggen | DSpair: I was thinking about making an underground Asterisk service that pulls data from our internal LDAP myself :) |
| 20:02.38 | Veggen | (at work) |
| 20:03.10 | DSpair | Veggen, Perhaps we should create a sourceforge project and collaborate. If we build it such that you can still put in manual configs, that would be optimal. |
| 20:03.32 | Veggen | DSpair: unfortunately, too little time for such a project. |
| 20:03.54 | [TK]D-Fender | proute: you have *2* INVITES in there... |
| 20:04.01 | DSpair | Veggen, I know that feeling. I got 2 pretty large Java projects on my plate right now, but I think that I would make some time to build something like that. |
| 20:04.20 | [TK]D-Fender | proute: 2 completely separate calls. |
| 20:04.37 | [TK]D-Fender | proute: maybe your vendor is messed up, but I also can't see your CONFIGS in there... |
| 20:04.48 | Veggen | DSpair: personally, I can't see how I'm gonna make it through the automn with what I know comes around for me to do at work :) |
| 20:05.24 | *** join/#asterisk xenonex (n=xenonex@82.200.211.107) |
| 20:05.37 | proute | [TK]D-Fender, Which information about my config do you want ? |
| 20:05.40 | DSpair | Veggen, You have my sympathy. Sounds like they're working you pretty hard. Best of luck! And I hope that they are at least interesting projects. |
| 20:06.01 | [TK]D-Fender | proute: Go ask your provider whats going on. You have 2 calls coming in. Maybe they are screwing something up. |
| 20:06.19 | Veggen | DSpair: oh, very interesting. That's not the problem :) |
| 20:07.06 | DSpair | Veggen, I know for me, interesting problems are much better than trivial and boring projects. |
| 20:07.31 | proute | [TK]D-Fender: I have one account (SIP) but I have some registry: DID_number1:pass@provider/DID_number1 and DID_number2:pass@provider/DID_number2. Do you think that is the problem to have 2 registry? |
| 20:07.52 | [TK]D-Fender | proute: pastebin it. |
| 20:08.43 | asdx | it would be cool if asterisk does regexp with pcre on dialplans |
| 20:09.12 | jblack | You can, if you're tricky about it. |
| 20:09.27 | jblack | though it wouldn't really be "dialplan". |
| 20:09.54 | asdx | with agi you mean? |
| 20:09.59 | [TK]D-Fender | asdx: Go hack a dialplan replaccement :) |
| 20:10.02 | jblack | ayup. My favorite hammer. |
| 20:10.04 | proute | [TK]D-Fender: http://pastebin.com/d24edad5c |
| 20:10.14 | asdx | [TK]D-Fender: i have to learn C first ;) |
| 20:10.27 | Fiapo-CE | somebody know sip client for customize? free. |
| 20:10.51 | [TK]D-Fender | Fiapo-CE: There is a list on the WIKI, go look. |
| 20:12.16 | Fiapo-CE | [TK]D-Fender: sorry, I'm new. What the address? thanks in advance. |
| 20:12.33 | [TK]D-Fender | ~wikis |
| 20:12.34 | jbot | [~wikis] VoIP Wiki covering Asterisk, FreeSWITCH, TrixBox, SER, OpenSER, sipX, CallWeaver, and YATE. http://www.voip-info.org (c) Arte Marketing Inc / CommPartners |
| 20:13.40 | DSpair | Veggen, Now I'm just gonna have to do that project because it's stuck in my head. I think I could even use contact groups in AD to create ring groups. |
| 20:13.50 | asdx | damn i should have learned C 15 years ago |
| 20:14.28 | Veggen | Hmm. I *did* learn C 15 years ago...(well, 17 perhaps) |
| 20:14.33 | DSpair | asdx, AGI doesn't have to written in C, and you can do many of the same things as you would writing your own dialplan implementation. |
| 20:14.39 | proute | [TK]D-Fender: Why when I try to call a DID, I have 2 INVITE? This "problem" come from of my provider? or about my config? |
| 20:14.55 | [TK]D-Fender | proute: Ask your provder about why they send 2 invites. |
| 20:15.23 | proute | [TK]D-Fender: Ok . In my second pastebin, there is a problem or not? |
| 20:15.43 | asdx | DSpair: cool |
| 20:16.36 | DSpair | asdx, I have written a nice little AGI/AMI plugin for our helpdesk application which creates a new help desk ticket when the helpdesk ring group gets answered. It' amazingly flexible. |
| 20:17.03 | [TK]D-Fender | proute: qualify=yesinsecure=very <- mashed up. |
| 20:17.10 | [TK]D-Fender | proute: the rest might be OK. |
| 20:17.27 | proute | ok |
| 20:17.35 | asdx | DSpair: cool |
| 20:17.48 | proute | So I will enter in contact with my provider, and I will send you his answer |
| 20:18.07 | DSpair | asdx, That application is written in Java and runs as a Servlet, but you can integrate MANY languages as external AGI programs. |
| 20:18.11 | asdx | DSpair: so you can use agi for your "dialplan" purposes, and not use extensions.conf at all? |
| 20:18.34 | DSpair | asdx, I don't know for sure, but from what I have read, it would seem possible to me. |
| 20:18.48 | asdx | interesting stuff |
| 20:19.18 | asdx | i'll give a try later |
| 20:19.43 | DSpair | asdx, I am reading through the "Asterisk: The Future of Telephony" book right now, so I am still learning. |
| 20:19.51 | asdx | yeah me too |
| 20:20.05 | asdx | i tried "ami" yesterday and got some information out from my asterisk into ruby |
| 20:20.13 | asdx | it's cool |
| 20:20.37 | DSpair | asdx, Check this out... https://webapps.metalsales.us.com/PhoneStatus/ and let me know once you have the page open. |
| 20:21.00 | asdx | DSpair: it's open |
| 20:21.11 | DSpair | Watch the icons |
| 20:21.25 | DSpair | Did you see the Deven Phillips turn yellow? |
| 20:21.30 | asdx | yeah |
| 20:21.32 | asdx | cool |
| 20:21.36 | DSpair | That's me calling my work phone. |
| 20:21.46 | DSpair | Now it should be green again. |
| 20:21.52 | asdx | yeah |
| 20:21.53 | DSpair | It turns read when someone is on the line. |
| 20:22.03 | DSpair | s/read/red/ |
| 20:22.23 | DSpair | Simple, but useful for our department. |
| 20:22.42 | asdx | XMLHttpRequest |
| 20:22.43 | DSpair | When someone answers the helpdesk line, a new help ticket window pops up too. |
| 20:22.52 | DSpair | asdx, Yeah, it's all AJAX. |
| 20:23.45 | asdx | cool |
| 20:24.49 | [TK]D-Fender | asdx>DSpair: so you can use agi for your "dialplan" purposes, and not use extensions.conf at all? <- no. |
| 20:25.10 | DSpair | [TK]D-Fender, I will defer to your experience. I was not sure. |
| 20:25.47 | DSpair | [TK]D-Fender, But could you set up a very broad rule that would refer all calls to an AGI app and have the AGI app route the call? |
| 20:26.20 | [TK]D-Fender | DSpair: Yes, you can always just funnel all calls to an AGI if you feel like it. |
| 20:26.36 | DSpair | [TK]D-Fender, So, in the end, it would end up with almost the same effect. |
| 20:27.06 | asdx | russell talked about reworking the configuration interface on his blog... i'm interested about the "socket" part he mentioned |
| 20:27.11 | asdx | "Russell: Well, obviously we already have plain text configuration. We also have the realtime configuration interface. In Asterisk 1.6, there is a curl realtime engine. This allows Asterisk to make HTTP requests to retrieve configuration and you can write your configuration engine in whatever language you want on the web server. However, providing a socket interface that you can connect with and change any part of the configuration would be great. |
| 20:27.16 | [TK]D-Fender | DSpair: "almost". But AGI is somewhat limited in its own way as well. But go and read about it and test all the things you can do and compare to dialplan possibilities. |
| 20:28.00 | DSpair | [TK]D-Fender, I think that I will have to do that. It might make my Active Directory project quite a bit more flexible. |
| 20:28.26 | DSpair | [TK]D-Fender, Thanks for the information!! :) |
| 20:28.43 | [TK]D-Fender | DSpair: Is AD really that profitable a tool for you for *? |
| 20:29.36 | DSpair | [TK]D-Fender, For me personally? NO.. For the other people in my organization? Yes... That's what they know and are comfortable with. I do give them training on Linux and command line, but most are somewhat afraid of it. |
| 20:30.11 | [TK]D-Fender | DSpair: AD as a configuration tool is just a little nuts. |
| 20:30.12 | DSpair | Like the old saying, "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink". |
| 20:30.28 | [TK]D-Fender | DSpair: but you CAN hold their heads under until they stop moving ;) |
| 20:30.45 | DSpair | [TK]D-Fender, IF ONLY I COULD!!! That would be heaven. |
| 20:30.57 | [TK]D-Fender | DSpair: Yes, thats where they'd end up! |
| 20:31.01 | jblack | That's a really bad idea. |
| 20:31.05 | DSpair | [TK]D-Fender, NICE! |
| 20:31.13 | jblack | The bodies start to stink horribly after a while. |
| 20:31.14 | [TK]D-Fender | DSpair: But this AD approach really isn't going to make lives better... |
| 20:31.38 | [TK]D-Fender | DSpair: Would take far less effort to make your own web GUI for it. |
| 20:31.44 | [TK]D-Fender | (* config) |
| 20:32.01 | DSpair | [TK]D-Fender, No, probably not, but it will make them more effective rather than having to call me while I'm on vacation or at home every time they need a phone setting changed. |
| 20:32.35 | [TK]D-Fender | DSpair: If your needs are basic and you can't trust them to config files, then maybe some dead-end GUI IS for you. |
| 20:34.24 | DSpair | [TK]D-Fender, Honestly, would you be so adamantly against it if I hadn't said AD and had used the term LDAP instead? My thinking is along the lines of adding to the AD schema so that a organizationalPerson object can hold SIP config settings. |
| 20:35.13 | DSpair | Then, I can write a COM library that integrates with AD Users and Computers to configure all of those settings. |
| 20:35.24 | asdx | LDAP sounds good for unification of user accounts |
| 20:35.40 | DSpair | I could just as easily do something similar with all Open Source tools like OpenLDAP and Java. |
| 20:36.13 | asdx | i'd like to see asterisk going on a route more of "here it is, use it in any way and configure it in any way, there is no limits" |
| 20:36.14 | [TK]D-Fender | DSpair: I have not seen an interface that makes setting up dialplan and other configs via that storage method (thats the key) usable. |
| 20:36.27 | [TK]D-Fender | DSpair: DIALPLAN is the killer |
| 20:36.38 | [TK]D-Fender | DSpair: and the fact that every little piece of * is separate. |
| 20:37.04 | DSpair | [TK]D-Fender, And that's where I still need to learn more. Perhaps the right answer is to wait for the new CURL based configuration engine in 1.6.x... |
| 20:37.06 | [TK]D-Fender | DSpair: a SIP entry may not every in any way be associated with a VM box, etc. |
| 20:37.31 | [TK]D-Fender | DSpair: And what does CURL retrieve? TEXT. Still nothing to FORMAT it for "users" to configure |
| 20:38.17 | [TK]D-Fender | DSpair: UI screens with fields layed out in a logical and complete manner is what a dumb user would need to do anything complete. |
| 20:39.08 | DSpair | [TK]D-Fender, But, whatever the application is that presents the text could pull from any number of backends, including LDAP, SQL, or other TEXT files. I'm not trying to be annoying, I'm just trying to say that it may be useful in our environment, and therefore may be usefule to others. |
| 20:39.54 | DSpair | We're just discussing ideas, and I'm not saying that what I am contemplating is right for everyone. |
| 20:40.06 | DSpair | It may not even be right for us. |
| 20:40.17 | asdx | freedom to configure is the key... it might be useful somewhere but it might not in others. not everyone likes to do the same thing the same way, but gui still suck |
| 20:40.32 | DSpair | asdx, Here here... |
| 20:40.47 | asdx | that's why i'm not going to touch FS: XML |
| 20:40.48 | afg_ch | DSpair: What you need is to put your configuration into a database (asterisk realtime) and write some webscript that changes the DB. Like that you contral what they can see and change without having to bother to add another SIP user ever again. |
| 20:40.54 | [TK]D-Fender | DSpair: Here's the though. Doesn't matter that its a DB record, not a text file. its still crypic crap to Joe User unless its FORMATTED and "click & go" for him |
| 20:41.03 | DSpair | asdx, That is the main reason why I love open source software: You can make it work the way YOU want it to work. |
| 20:41.13 | asdx | DSpair: yeah |
| 20:41.53 | asdx | DSpair: just provide all the options... some options will make some people happy and some others will make other people happy, etc |
| 20:41.58 | [TK]D-Fender | DSpair: Only rason to use DB type backends is for the context to be dynamic at runtime. |
| 20:42.02 | [TK]D-Fender | reason* |
| 20:42.18 | [TK]D-Fender | DSpair: as in being able to add a SIP account on the go with no reload, etc/ |
| 20:42.19 | DSpair | [TK]D-Fender, True, and that was why I was contemplating a COM add-in for AD Users And Computers which would handle the conversion from friendly to cryptic. |
| 20:42.46 | DSpair | [TK]D-Fender, I was not aware that was currently possible. |
| 20:43.08 | DSpair | I knew that CDR could be written to a DB, but no the dialplan... |
| 20:43.15 | DSpair | s/no/not/ |
| 20:43.29 | [TK]D-Fender | DSpair: This sounds like a serious undertaking just to give field-level access on a file-by file basis, but this is little better than directly editing a text file. All you've done is broken it up into locked fields. |
| 20:43.52 | afg_ch | DSpair: If you are knowledgeable to write a COM object then you should be able to read the documentation about Asterisk. Either you manipulate the .config file and trigger a bash "asterisk -rx sip reload' or you go for the realtime DB version. period. |
| 20:44.37 | DSpair | afg_ch, Until [TK]D-Fender just mentioned it, I had not read of a realtime db interface for the configuration. As I have said, I am just starting to learn. |
| 20:44.51 | asdx | afg_ch: werent you the guy saying that windows was better than linux on ##linux ? |
| 20:45.09 | [TK]D-Fender | DSpair: I just want to know how Joe User is going to know all the places to go to add a SIP account, deal with dialplan, voicemail, etc, with no interface to guide them. |
| 20:45.34 | DSpair | afg_ch, I will admit that I could write a COM object given enough time, but a DB interface is more of my bread-n-butter. I am a Java programmer for the most part, and I do 99% of my development in Eclipse on Linux. |
| 20:45.43 | afg_ch | asdx: Please stay fair. I said it depends on the individuals requirements. Windows is not better just "per se". |
| 20:46.08 | [TK]D-Fender | DSpair: So far its every bit as broken up in AD as it would be in plain text, except now you've also created a level of dependency on AD's functioning and talking to * just to get to that point. |
| 20:46.29 | *** join/#asterisk cestchiant (n=anthony@ARouen-153-1-44-3.w90-17.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 20:46.35 | DSpair | [TK]D-Fender, True, but without AD, nothing in our office works because user's cannot even log on. |
| 20:46.56 | [TK]D-Fender | DSpair: At least your PHONES could work and they could call you to fix AD for them ;) |
| 20:46.58 | DSpair | [TK]D-Fender, We are currently at 99.999999583% uptime on AD, and that includes scheduled outages. |
| 20:47.16 | [TK]D-Fender | DSpair: Its a question of cost & benifit. |
| 20:47.46 | [TK]D-Fender | DSpair: So far Ad to manipulate DB data is just a cryptic for Joe User. No gain, more dependency. lose/lose |
| 20:47.52 | DSpair | [TK]D-Fender, I can see that we're not going to agree on this point, and I just suggest we agree to disagree. |
| 20:48.29 | [TK]D-Fender | DSpair: its a nifty idea if its can in some way be "better for the non-tech guy you're talking about. |
| 20:48.40 | tzafrir_laptop | If the information is already in AD, then keep it there. There are plenty of ways to configure Asterisk from there |
| 20:49.14 | [TK]D-Fender | DSpair: See the Web GUI's put common stuff in one place with check-boxes, and does the dialplan for you, etc, to the point where an untrained monkey can do it. |
| 20:49.31 | DSpair | tzafrir_home, Yes, and I have already written applications to pull that configuration into our HylaFax server. We dynamically update the FaxDispatch config in HylaFax from AD in realtime. |
| 20:50.00 | asdx | doesn't XML helps when you are writing a GUI for "X" software? |
| 20:50.03 | [TK]D-Fender | DSpair: So for someone using say FreePBX could just click on "Extensions", fill in a handful of clearly labeld boxes and be functional. |
| 20:50.06 | DSpair | [TK]D-Fender, And so would an add-in for AD Users and Computers. It would just add another tab to the user config where the * options could be set. |
| 20:50.09 | tzafrir_laptop | DSpair, asterisk can take real-time config from LDAP, if this is what you really want |
| 20:50.27 | wino[a] | quick noob question, I'm just scratching the surface of voip. Phone number -> computer answers, possible or does a POTS line somehow need to be involved? Would any VOIP (ITSP) provider work? |
| 20:50.36 | tzafrir_laptop | Or maybe generate asterisk config from AD objects (static-realtime, or manually) |
| 20:50.59 | afg_ch | DSpair: cool. go for it. Whether you get the data from AD or from a webscreen input field into Asterisk realtime doesn't change the picture. You go and write some connector between the two. |
| 20:51.01 | [TK]D-Fender | wino[a]: * can interface with VoIP providers, PSTN (via hardware), etc. |
| 20:51.04 | DSpair | wino[a], For the most part, Asterisk should work with any SIP/IAX provider. You do not HAVE to use POTS lines or PRI. |
| 20:51.22 | [TK]D-Fender | wino[a]: You can run your system as pure-voip and use an ITSP to reach the PSTN if you feel like it. |
| 20:51.32 | wino[a] | Thanks much guys! |
| 20:51.40 | [TK]D-Fender | wino[a]: and no, not "every" ITSP will work. Vonage has gotchas, etc. |
| 20:51.49 | tzafrir_laptop | wino[a], basically some non-voip telephony provider will have to be involved somewhere. Many (most) SIP providers will provide you this type of service for various numbers |
| 20:52.04 | DSpair | wino[a], There are trade off as there always are when you make choices. If you need to fax for example, you should probably use a PRI or FXO interface to the PSTN due to latency. |
| 20:52.11 | wino[a] | That's what I was thinking, but I am very un-learned. I've read bad things about vonage, but I'm still learning. |
| 20:52.15 | asdx | [TK]D-Fender: why doesn't vonage requires some gotchas? |
| 20:52.20 | asdx | s/doesn't/does |
| 20:52.37 | asdx | s/doesn\'t/does rather |
| 20:52.42 | wino[a] | Gotcha, we'll I'm looking to turn a phone call into an audio stream to then be re-broadcasted |
| 20:52.42 | DSpair | asdx, Vonage will not let you use anything but their hardware/software. |
| 20:52.53 | [TK]D-Fender | asdx: you need a soft-phone account with them. Vonage is meant for super-stupid consumers and don't want you messing around with settings, etc |
| 20:53.09 | asdx | that sucks |
| 20:53.20 | DSpair | asdx, Agreed. That's why I don't use Vonage. |
| 20:53.22 | asdx | sign of incompetence |
| 20:54.00 | DSpair | asdx, Least common denominator. They don't cater to the technically savvy, but they do cater to the 99% of regular joes and they keep it simple for them. It's not a bad business decision. |
| 20:54.14 | wino[a] | Any *good* suggestions for further reading about voip? Asterisk.org seems more about installing the software than anything else. |
| 20:54.29 | [TK]D-Fender | wino[a]: what about "voip |
| 20:54.34 | [TK]D-Fender | " are you looking to know? |
| 20:54.40 | DSpair | wino[a], "Asterisk: The Future Of Telephony" Second edition from O'reilly press. |
| 20:54.48 | wino[a] | DSpair: Thank you! |
| 20:54.48 | [TK]D-Fender | ~book |
| 20:54.48 | jbot | Asterisk: The Future of Telephony 2nd Edition (ISBN 0-596-51048-9) --- Order yours at http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/9780596510480/ --- Free downloadable PDF http://downloads.oreilly.com/books/9780596510480.pdf --- HTML at http://tfot.leifmadsen.com, or see ~buybook |
| 20:55.06 | wino[a] | [TK]D-Fender: thank you as well! |
| 20:55.44 | DSpair | Whoa, I didn't know there was a free download!!! Now, I'm definitely gonna buy that book!!! |
| 20:55.47 | asdx | i use teliax, it works quite well |
| 20:55.51 | asdx | never game me any problem |
| 20:55.57 | asdx | problems* |
| 20:55.59 | jblack | I use teliax as a backup. They're very reliable. |
| 20:56.00 | DSpair | asdx, I've used them before as well with few problems. |
| 20:56.33 | [TK]D-Fender | teliax = not bad. |
| 20:56.39 | DSpair | jblack, As a backup? Can they route calls to you when your main number is down? |
| 20:56.41 | [TK]D-Fender | As with everything VoIP : YMMV |
| 20:56.46 | asdx | they use asterisk i think |
| 20:56.58 | jblack | dspair: Yeah. I use callwithus as a primary, and teliax as a secondary. |
| 20:56.58 | DSpair | asdx, I know that they do because they provide IAX trunks. |
| 20:57.14 | asdx | DSpair: they could be using freeswitch and still give iax trunks |
| 20:57.29 | DSpair | asdx, But isn't freeswitch also based on Asterisk? |
| 20:57.34 | asdx | no |
| 20:57.49 | asdx | afaik |
| 20:57.51 | DSpair | Oh, learn something new every day... Another reason to love Open Source. |
| 20:59.42 | DSpair | heads over to O'Reilly to order the Asterisk book. |
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| 21:06.02 | afg_ch | DSpair: Just to be pedantic, to offer IAX trunks doesn't mean that the whole network consists of Asterisk. At the core I would not want to have an Asterisk switch. Serious carriers have a "real" switch at the core and use Asterisk boxes where we need flexible setup. However, billing and interconnections need to be done on real gear. Asterisk |
| 21:09.14 | *** join/#asterisk defsdoor (n=andy@defsdoor.gotadsl.co.uk) |
| 21:13.40 | *** join/#asterisk RoyK (n=roy@ip-183-50-149-91.dialup.ice.no) |
| 21:16.41 | asdx | afg_ch: if freeswitch is meant to be used as a "real swtich" i don't see why asterisk couldn't be used as one too |
| 21:16.43 | DSpair | OK, I'm back... |
| 21:17.04 | asdx | real switch* |
| 21:17.40 | DSpair | asdx, When he mentions a "real switch", he's probably referring to hardware telephony switches. |
| 21:18.27 | [TK]D-Fender | asdx: Because * is not a "swith", or "proxy". It is a B2BUA |
| 21:20.12 | asdx | isn't a "switch" more flexible than that? |
| 21:20.38 | asdx | from what i understand a switch can also be B2BUA |
| 21:20.43 | asdx | am i wrong? |
| 21:21.21 | DSpair | asdx, SOME switches have application capabilities, but it is not by any means a requirement. |
| 21:21.40 | afg_ch | [TK]D-Fender: thanks for finding the right technical term B2BUA. I actually do understand * to be a switch but it's not carrier grade by far. |
| 21:21.59 | [TK]D-Fender | afg_ch: No, its NOT a "switch"/ |
| 21:22.34 | jblack | Unless you use "switch" ? |
| 21:22.38 | afg_ch | [TK]D-Fender: I know technically it's not but functionwise it is - and much more. |
| 21:22.38 | [TK]D-Fender | asdx: ... |
| 21:22.43 | [TK]D-Fender | ... |
| 21:22.55 | DSpair | [TK]D-Fender, Thanks for the link to the download.. I was thinking about buying that book, but the fact that they released if for free, made me decide to buy it now rather than later. |
| 21:23.22 | jblack | afg_ch: I definitely agree with you. Asterisk can perform as a pbx, a switch, a voicemail system, and everything else. |
| 21:23.44 | jblack | even as a hotel wakeupcall system. |
| 21:26.11 | DSpair | Well, time to get ready to go and see Rocky Horror tonight. Thanks for all of the great ideas and discussion gang!!! |
| 21:28.42 | jblack | [TK]D-Fender: Do you have trouble using the blank tile when you play scrabble, since it's not a letter? |
| 21:28.44 | asdx | [TK]D-Fender: what? |
| 21:36.36 | asdx | i know asterisk is great and i know it can be used as a million of things... i just read that a soft-switch is supposed to be more scalable/extensible/flexible and can be million of things also... so i'm a bit confused |
| 21:36.51 | asdx | and wanted to know how both of them compare |
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| 21:45.45 | asdx | jblack: [TK]D-Fender says "asterisk is not a switch" but you said that it can be used as a switch also, so it can do something but it's not what it was meant to be used for? or what? |
| 21:47.34 | *** join/#asterisk ftp3 (n=none@pool-71-117-212-7.ptldor.fios.verizon.net) |
| 21:48.24 | ftp3 | hello.. i am trying to figure out how to get 911 service.. my outgoing (termination) provider does not offer it.. and i cant find any cheap termination providers that do.. is there someone that provides 911 cheap? |
| 21:50.27 | afg_ch | ftp3: are you referring to emergency call service? |
| 21:52.48 | afg_ch | asdx: It will take some loops to explain you the switching theory. do you wanna hear it? |
| 21:52.54 | Strom_M | ftp3: who's your outgoing provider? |
| 21:53.16 | jblack | asdx: Look at the switch application |
| 21:53.33 | ftp3 | callwithus |
| 21:53.58 | ftp3 | and yeah, i want to be able to pick up the phone and call 911 and have 911 answer ;-) |
| 21:54.00 | asdx | "A PBX is an entity that allows a private company to have its own mini phone company providing services like voicemail, extensions and conferencing to phones. The primary focus of a PBX is for multiple phones to find each other and communicate. A soft-switch is a software application that can connect phone lines from one network to another, often routing calls from one protocol to another or to a termination point such as a PBX. FreeSWITCH has th |
| 21:54.03 | Strom_M | ftp3: get the cheapest POTS circuit you can from the local telco and use that for 911 |
| 21:54.03 | jblack | switch isn't an application, it looks like. It's something. |
| 21:54.36 | ftp3 | strom_m: yeah.. but doesnt someone sell a 911 service i can just pay for? The cheapest pots is $20/mo |
| 21:54.51 | Strom_M | ftp3: for measured-rate service with no features? |
| 21:55.23 | asdx | afg_ch: yes |
| 21:55.31 | asdx | jblack: ok |
| 21:55.47 | tzafrir_laptop | asdx, both Asterisk and FreeSwitch are not exactly soft-switches and not exactly PBXs |
| 21:55.49 | afg_ch | ftp3: it involves a bit of background. voip is a nomadic service so who routes the 911 call along needs to know your location and satisfy regulatory requirement. |
| 21:55.58 | asdx | tzafrir_laptop: ok |
| 21:57.00 | ftp3 | afg_ch: right. i have seen providers (callcentric) that offer 911.. and you fill out a form with the address.... |
| 21:57.01 | afg_ch | ftp3: plus your callerid needs to be veryfied and screened, in other words trusted. |
| 21:57.43 | afg_ch | ftp3: a number is not trusted if you don't play in the C7/SS7 signalling league. |
| 21:57.49 | asdx | afg_ch: i want to hear it, can you explain |
| 21:59.54 | asdx | tzafrir_laptop: they are both B2BUA's with applications that can be used for a lot of things? |
| 22:00.07 | asdx | tzafrir_laptop: like a "telephony platform engine"? |
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| 22:03.34 | asdx | i see that they both can do the same thing now |
| 22:03.49 | asdx | so the description in that quote doesn't make much sense |
| 22:05.04 | asdx | nevermind |
| 22:07.29 | *** part/#asterisk jmasondotnet (n=jessie@cpe-178-134.valp.net) |
| 22:09.05 | afg_ch | asdx: a telco switch does routing of media from A to B in a non blocking manner, that means that is knows the path/interface/address/state of both. |
| 22:09.31 | asdx | having no label is probably better, but being capable to do everything :p |
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| 22:10.29 | asdx | afg_ch: i see |
| 22:10.47 | afg_ch | asdx: and for a telco what most matters is to keep the channels up and to scale to thousands of concurrent calls. |
| 22:11.19 | asdx | afg_ch: yeah |
| 22:12.03 | afg_ch | asdx: usually signalling and media transport is separate and can be locally dispersed. |
| 22:13.04 | afg_ch | asdx: Asterisk is monolithic and doesn't scale. |
| 22:13.29 | asdx | afg_ch: how about FS? |
| 22:14.13 | asdx | afg_ch: what do you mean with "monolithic" also? |
| 22:14.52 | afg_ch | asdx: I don't know FS. So any statement would not be accurate. Surely their aim is to work towards a non-blocking design at wirespeed. |
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| 22:16.55 | afg_ch | asdx: someone who appears to have first hand experience: http://www.anders.com/cms/266/Asterisk.vs.FreeSWITCH |
| 22:18.55 | Strom_C | afg_ch: he's a developer; therefore his recommendation is likely biased |
| 22:19.21 | asdx | freeswitch is monolithic too, but they are supposedly built on top of a "state-machine driven core"... i'm not sure if this is "marketing buzzword" or not though |
| 22:20.12 | asdx | monolithic doesn't mean is bad also |
| 22:22.19 | jblack | ultimately, nothing scales. =) |
| 22:22.28 | afg_ch | asdx: the truly good design would consist of independent processes/threads where the switch controller can insert/query instructions at runtime to recover if the controller itself dies. So each thread can live on a different physical CPU as long as it can be addressed by signalling if needed. |
| 22:23.43 | asdx | ah, the "recover" thing |
| 22:24.11 | asdx | that's good design... but how about performance? |
| 22:25.44 | asdx | linux is monolithic and it can scale, it's performance rocks more than anything else too... look at MINIX, a "micro-kernel" that is supposedly "well designed" but it's there and no one knows about it anymore |
| 22:25.57 | afg_ch | asdx: Probably you have missed the part "different physical CPU". It scales unlimited, or let's say when the signalling between the threads choke. |
| 22:26.18 | asdx | and it's performance sucks ass |
| 22:26.40 | asdx | hm |
| 22:27.35 | asdx | i'm all for good design, but if i gain little with the "good design" and performance decreases... i prefer the simple design |
| 22:27.42 | afg_ch | asdx: well, the media performance is done on line boards. They have the logic in silicon and do what they need to do. Dialogic (among others) have introduced Host Media Processing (HMP) which is the equivalent to Asterisk media handling. |
| 22:28.35 | asdx | interesting |
| 22:29.22 | afg_ch | asdx: An Ericcson switch with 100 E1 (3000 channels) is only the size of a fridge and consumes 500-800 W. |
| 22:29.27 | afg_ch | asdx: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erlang_(programming_language) |
| 22:29.37 | asdx | "Running Asterisk in production with standard hardware, I'm not able to reliably handle over 250 concurrent calls. But with the same hardware, I have tested to 1,000 concurrent calls using FreeSWITCH without any issues." |
| 22:30.08 | asdx | afg_ch: erlang |
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| 22:31.30 | asdx | "The first thing you are likely to notice when configuring FreeSWITCH is the decision to do all configuration in XML files. Personally I think the project would be much better off using standard text configuration files instead because XML files are too free-form." <-- I totally agree... the reason why I'm not touching FS. |
| 22:31.48 | asdx | if they can make a YAML translator to XML that would be cool |
| 22:32.00 | afg_ch | asdx: careful, someone said the writer of that FS/* article may be biased. Erlang ist the programming language Ericsson uses. |
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| 22:32.49 | asdx | afg_ch: i already tried FS and they have some cool stuff... |
| 22:32.57 | asdx | afg_ch: but it has it's cons too |
| 22:33.08 | asdx | afg_ch: not that i used it much |
| 22:33.43 | afg_ch | asdx: And everything depends on the individuals requirement. I love Asterisk. I became a telco for my friends based on Asterisk but I feel mercy for wannabe telcos owning one Asterisk and calling themselves carriers while they don't own 10 meters of cable outside a colo location. |
| 22:34.16 | asdx | afg_ch: asterisk 1.6 already has some of the stuff i like from FS. i love asterisk too and it's working great for me, that's why i stay with * |
| 22:34.55 | asdx | afg_ch: XML might be good for data serialization and what not, and for making GUIs faster, etc, but for simplicity i prefer standard plain-text files |
| 22:35.03 | eXistenZ | what's the tech support of linkysys |
| 22:35.09 | eXistenZ | number of tech support :o |
| 22:36.42 | asdx | "The first thing you are likely to notice when configuring FreeSWITCH is the decision to do all configuration in XML files. Personally I think the project would be much better off using standard text configuration files instead because XML files are too free-form. This leads to confusion like "Where should I configure such-and-such?" questions. Usually the answer to this question is "anywhere" but people want to configure things in the "right plac |
| 22:37.15 | afg_ch | asdx: I also stay with Asterisk for good. I came over to Linux because of Asterisk. It gave me as a small man a tool as powerful to what I use at work, at a very resonable pricetag. It's fun to see 60 channels talking but I wouldn't sell an SLA on it. |
| 22:37.28 | asdx | "An XML editor might help here but who has an XML editor on a text mode system?" <-- Vim FTW |
| 22:37.56 | asdx | afg_ch: yeah |
| 22:38.06 | jblack | editing complex xml with vim is a punishment from hell. |
| 22:38.29 | Strom_C | yes, I think he may be biased, since (a) he's a freeswitch developer, and (b) the article goes beyond simple comparison and encourages the reader to switch to freeswitch |
| 22:39.15 | Strom_C | so read the article with a grain of salt |
| 22:39.17 | asdx | if FS has YAML, that will make a lot of things more simple... YAML rocks |
| 22:39.26 | Strom_C | or a whole shaker, if you will :) |
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| 22:40.10 | afg_ch | asdx: I would love to run Asterisk on Opensolaris to have better performance. The Linux Kernel has too much driver crap in it while the Solaris Kernel only loads what it needs and has a better process scheduler. |
| 22:40.32 | jblack | Holy wow. |
| 22:40.45 | jblack | Did someone just complain that linux has too many drivers? |
| 22:41.03 | asdx | afg_ch: the linux kernel still performs better, and you can always rmmod what you don't want, CFS FTW |
| 22:41.22 | afg_ch | asdx: But I failed to compile even on Nexenta OS, which promises to have the Debian userland. |
| 22:41.58 | afg_ch | asdx: Astrisk has quite some libraries it depends on. |
| 22:42.10 | asdx | afg_ch: that's nexenta/asterisk problem, not linux problem |
| 22:42.33 | jblack | afg_ch: Could I parse that as "Nexenta was more difficult that I was willing to invest in, therefor, linux sucks" ? |
| 22:42.36 | asdx | afg_ch: if asterisk is more tied to linux, it's asterisk devs decision |
| 22:43.30 | afg_ch | asdx: true. mainly because I didn't want to invest more time to learn. It works on Linux for my need and period. |
| 22:44.03 | asdx | afg_ch: FS is truly multi platform... in that aspect |
| 22:44.15 | asdx | afg_ch: and you can compile the linux kernel without any modules at all... |
| 22:44.20 | asdx | it's not a problem at all |
| 22:44.30 | asdx | or you can rmmod -f at run time |
| 22:45.48 | eXistenZ | Does anyone here have experience with SPA-3102? |
| 22:45.51 | afg_ch | asdx: yeah, I know but I don't need that extra performance. It would more be like an academic challenge. Personally I would love an install.exe for not having to worry about the OS level at all ;-) |
| 22:46.14 | asdx | heh |
| 22:46.29 | afg_ch | eXistenZ: let's hear your issue. I know the SPA-100x, 2000, 3000 quite well. |
| 22:46.41 | tzafrir_laptop | afg_ch, could you please be more specific? Which extra "drivers" slow Linux? |
| 22:47.13 | tzafrir_laptop | Asterisk builds well on Linux because if it doesn't, people report bugs |
| 22:47.29 | tzafrir_laptop | If you want Asterisk to build on Solaris, report bugs |
| 22:47.31 | eXistenZ | afg_ch, I had a long fight with spa3102 until I was able to make it resolve the caller id (in Israel). I bought it only in order to be able to block anonymous incoming calls, as this service isn't available here. When I set the Block ANC Setting as "yes", all incoming calls are blocked =/ |
| 22:47.38 | asdx | i'm sure asterisk can be ported to another OS where it doesn't run yet |
| 22:48.10 | tzafrir_laptop | asdx, Asterisk runs on Solaris |
| 22:48.21 | asdx | tzafrir_laptop: ok |
| 22:48.30 | tzafrir_laptop | You're welcome to try plan9 (or whatever) |
| 22:49.21 | tzafrir_laptop | eXistenZ, set it to pass the caller ID to Asterisk and don't Answer() calls without caller ID |
| 22:49.39 | asdx | "FreeSWITCH succeeds on so many other levels that I am willing to forgive this minor blemish. For example, just the idea that you can use regular expressions in the dialplan is freeing. And you aren't limited to matching only on the destination number." <-- that's a nice feature i'd like to see |
| 22:49.44 | asdx | in * |
| 22:50.08 | tzafrir_laptop | asdx, the text you're quoting is from? |
| 22:50.13 | eXistenZ | tzafrir_laptop, I was trying to make it work without installing asterisk |
| 22:50.16 | [TK]D-Fender | tzafrir_laptop: He's been told this numerous times. |
| 22:50.18 | asdx | tzafrir_laptop: http://www.anders.com/cms/266/Asterisk.vs.FreeSWITCH |
| 22:50.31 | [TK]D-Fender | eXistenZ: Who said that option applied to the PST interface? |
| 22:50.53 | eXistenZ | tzafrir_laptop, if it doesn't work, I am going to try asterisk |
| 22:50.54 | [TK]D-Fender | eXistenZ: PSTN* |
| 22:51.04 | afg_ch | tzafrir_laptop: it does run for sure. but I want to execute "make install" and the software should take care of dependencies, tell me what it wants and the compiler should just compile and not nag me with errors and I don't want to see permission problems as root ever. |
| 22:51.20 | eXistenZ | [TK]D-Fender, it is, it exists in the pstn tab |
| 22:51.42 | tzafrir_laptop | afg_ch, if you want dependencies, use a package management system, and don't just install from source :-) |
| 22:51.53 | eXistenZ | [TK]D-Fender, there is no point in blocking anonymous voip calls |
| 22:52.07 | [TK]D-Fender | eXistenZ: for YOU maybe not. |
| 22:52.55 | afg_ch | eXistenZ: Am I right you want to block anonymous calls from the PSTN Pots interface only? |
| 22:53.00 | tzafrir_laptop | afg_ch, please point me to the number of the bug that describes your problem |
| 22:53.07 | eXistenZ | afg_ch, exactly |
| 22:53.21 | tzafrir_laptop | If there isn't, just open one |
| 22:53.32 | tzafrir_laptop | You seem to have a pretty good idea of what you want |
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| 22:54.00 | eXistenZ | afg_ch, http://existenz.googlepages.com/spa.zip |
| 22:54.09 | eXistenZ | afg_ch, my config as zipped mht file |
| 22:54.15 | afg_ch | tzafrir_laptop: good advise. To be honest, I never opened a bug. I refrain because I am afraid it's just a configuration error of mine and the devs would laugh at me. |
| 22:55.05 | asdx | afg_ch: i opened 3 bugs and they were bugs |
| 22:55.12 | asdx | afg_ch: still not resolved |
| 22:55.42 | [TK]D-Fender | eXistenZ: And what does that image supposed to tell us? |
| 22:55.52 | eXistenZ | [TK]D-Fender, config =o |
| 22:55.59 | [TK]D-Fender | eXistenZ: that says NOTHING |
| 22:55.59 | eXistenZ | [TK]D-Fender, I should set up a syslog server maybe |
| 22:56.06 | afg_ch | tzafrir_laptop: So I should become more brave I guess. But I don't know any C code and there is no coredump analysis tool. |
| 22:56.19 | [TK]D-Fender | eXistenZ: nothing in there says anything about PST blocking anonymous calls. |
| 22:56.35 | eXistenZ | [TK]D-Fender, in User 1 |
| 22:56.52 | [TK]D-Fender | eXistenZ: user1 is NOT YOUR PSTN INTERFACE |
| 22:56.59 | tzafrir_laptop | afg_ch, you just mentioned some specific issues with 'make install' |
| 22:57.17 | tzafrir_laptop | What are they? |
| 22:58.06 | eXistenZ | [TK]D-Fender, when I set Block ANC Setting to yes, all incoming calls are blocked |
| 23:00.24 | afg_ch | tzafrir_laptop: Thank you for offering your help. I tend to forget. Are you hanging out here often? It's day two for me and I got addicted already. I will load the Nexenta VM and reproduce the darn thing and catch up with you some day. |
| 23:01.14 | [TK]D-Fender | eXistenZ: right now the only option I see if that it "rings through". Which means TFB. |
| 23:01.21 | tzafrir_laptop | I don't really know Solaris and co. but I might be here. |
| 23:01.47 | eXistenZ | [TK]D-Fender, TFB? |
| 23:02.01 | [TK]D-Fender | eXistenZ: Either way you are not using * and what you are doing has no impact on it. This is not "#fixmydevice". If you want to continue on this path get Google-ing |
| 23:02.23 | eXistenZ | [TK]D-Fender, I would like to use asterisk if it doesn't work for me |
| 23:02.29 | routerweasel | im trying to get my feature codes working correctly with a grandstream gpx-2000 ip phone. When i dial any of the *xx feature codes i get a 404 not found message on my phone. What am i missing? |
| 23:03.03 | [TK]D-Fender | eXistenZ: "thats nice". Come back when you've made that decision and have installed it |
| 23:03.16 | eXistenZ | [TK]D-Fender, there might be others, who are interested to help |
| 23:03.48 | eXistenZ | [TK]D-Fender, I am not trying to offend you, but a little help doesn't harm ;-) |
| 23:04.30 | jblack | routerweasel: Perhaps your dialplan is blocking them. |
| 23:04.47 | jblack | But that's merely a guess, as I don't have a grandstream. |
| 23:04.53 | afg_ch | routerweasel: What did Grandstream support say? |
| 23:05.19 | tzafrir_laptop | eXistenZ, well, plan B is not to answer them in Asterisk |
| 23:05.50 | routerweasel | i havent called grandstream nor do i wish to. i get the same results with xlite |
| 23:05.56 | tzafrir_laptop | I'm not exactly sure how it works |
| 23:05.59 | eXistenZ | tzafrir_laptop, I just asked those, who might be able to help :) |
| 23:06.24 | afg_ch | routerweasel: Then it's the dialplan. How about tracing it on the * console? |
| 23:06.41 | routerweasel | [Jun 28 16:06:28] NOTICE[2786]: chan_sip.c:13885 handle_request_invite: Call from '300' to extension '*77' rejected because extension not found. |
| 23:07.01 | routerweasel | so it it the dialplan. |
| 23:07.06 | tzafrir_laptop | eXistenZ, send it to some context . In that context use something of the sort of: |
| 23:07.40 | afg_ch | routerweasel: right. to what context do you route the call in your sip.conf entry for 300? |
| 23:08.02 | tzafrir_laptop | exten =>s,1/_X.,Goto(has-callerid,1) |
| 23:08.27 | asdx | jblack: what is the switch application you mentioned? "core show switches", or what? because i can't find anything if i do: asterisk -rx "core show applications" | grep -i switch |
| 23:08.35 | tzafrir_laptop | exten =>s,1,NoOp(No caller ID here) |
| 23:08.47 | tzafrir_laptop | exten =>s,2,Hangup |
| 23:09.03 | eXistenZ | tzafrir_laptop, where is that? |
| 23:09.31 | afg_ch | eXistenZ: actually it's more effective to send anonymous callers to an IVR with a lenghty explanation that you don't accept anonymous calls. First it cost them a connected call, second it will tell them why the call fails. If you just reject it or let it ring forever, they don't know why. |
| 23:09.38 | routerweasel | afg_ch: just says default |
| 23:10.05 | eXistenZ | afg_ch, that will be only using asterisk? |
| 23:10.05 | tzafrir_laptop | In extensions.conf . Under [spa3] if you wrote for that device in sip.conf: context=spa3 |
| 23:10.35 | tzafrir_laptop | afg_ch, but they take your single line |
| 23:10.42 | afg_ch | routerweasel: that's good. do you find exten => *77 in "default" in extensions.conf or an include pointing to it? |
| 23:11.20 | eXistenZ | afg_ch, I will try to install asterisknow and try it out ;) |
| 23:11.26 | [TK]D-Fender | tzafrir_laptop: He's not even USING Asterisk at all <- |
| 23:11.32 | afg_ch | eXistenZ: On an analogue line you can't reject the call anyway. The line is busy as long as they call you. |
| 23:11.55 | tzafrir_laptop | Well, I can only offer Asterisk help, sadly :-) |
| 23:12.18 | asdx | eXistenZ: what are you using? |
| 23:12.25 | eXistenZ | asdx, spa3102 |
| 23:12.35 | eXistenZ | asdx, it is said to support "Anonymous call rejection" |
| 23:12.41 | routerweasel | afg_ch: no, all i have for default context in extensions.conf is: http://pastebin.com/d4a4e8970 |
| 23:12.45 | eXistenZ | it doesn't work for me, so I will try to use asterisk |
| 23:12.51 | afg_ch | eXistenZ: follow tzafrir_laptop's code sample. It makes sense. Any reconsider my business logic to make the nuisance caller pay. |
| 23:13.02 | [TK]D-Fender | eXistenZ: And who said it worked on the PSTN interface? |
| 23:13.02 | asdx | eXistenZ: no idea about the spa3102, never used it |
| 23:13.19 | *** join/#asterisk Mavvie (n=edwin@ppp121-44-67-41.lns10.syd6.internode.on.net) |
| 23:13.36 | eXistenZ | [TK]D-Fender, I am not sure of that, I will contact them and confirm that |
| 23:14.13 | [TK]D-Fender | eXistenZ: I'm remotely logged into an SPA-3102. there is NO mention of ANC on the PST side |
| 23:14.21 | afg_ch | eXistenZ: good idea. the device is made in China and is worth 5-10 $. The rest you paid for premium support. |
| 23:14.27 | eXistenZ | [TK]D-Fender, but when I enable that option, the phone simply doesn't ring |
| 23:14.45 | eXistenZ | afg_ch, I paid like 55EU for it |
| 23:14.55 | [TK]D-Fender | eXistenZ: Get Google-ing and come back when you've decided to actually use and learn * |
| 23:16.00 | eXistenZ | afg_ch, it is so small ;p |
| 23:16.04 | eXistenZ | it looks larger in the picture |
| 23:16.05 | afg_ch | eXistenZ: you didn't get my irony. For the 40 EUR markup you should get the support from the Vendor. Nobody here has put a single screw into that device. |
| 23:16.31 | eXistenZ | afg_ch, I can expect what kind of support I will get :) |
| 23:16.46 | eXistenZ | I've already heard from other forums about their bad support anyways |
| 23:17.03 | routerweasel | afg_ch: no, all i have for default context in extensions.conf is: http://pastebin.com/d4a4e8970 |
| 23:17.07 | eXistenZ | afg_ch, in the Live Chat, they're like "We don't support this type of device through live chat". |
| 23:19.19 | afg_ch | routerweasel: OK. So it makes sense, it didn't answer your call. Would frighten me if it did. Now search for the *77 extension in extensions.conf and either redirect your incoming routing to that extension or include that extension in the default extension. |
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| 23:20.25 | afg_ch | routerweasel: anyway be VERY careful with the default extension if your machine is on public internet. If a route in there allows outbound calls, anyone call make calls on you. |
| 23:20.27 | [TK]D-Fender | routerweasel: you are missing some critical information. you are not even showing what context its LOOKING for that exten in <- |
| 23:20.47 | [TK]D-Fender | routerweasel: [default] is not some magical name, something has to reference it. |
| 23:21.12 | [TK]D-Fender | routerweasel: And even then, what are you expecting *77 to DO for you? You clearly didn't create it. |
| 23:21.53 | afg_ch | routerweasel: *77 might be there but outside of the default, further down the config. I guess you only copied the default part. |
| 23:22.21 | [TK]D-Fender | afg_ch: So far you all seem to assume it magically exists "somewhere" in there. Why is that? |
| 23:23.48 | afg_ch | [TK]D-Fender: good point. I took it for granted that the fellow is using some example config or application populated by some FreePBX like piece of ... |
| 23:24.25 | [TK]D-Fender | SHIT? |
| 23:24.32 | [TK]D-Fender | :) |
| 23:24.39 | [TK]D-Fender | ~assume |
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| 23:24.42 | [TK]D-Fender | ^^^ |
| 23:25.36 | afg_ch | [TK]D-Fender: LOL |
| 23:26.56 | afg_ch | and if routerweasel hasn't dropped, he is still searching fo *77 |
| 23:26.59 | asdx | i hate freeswitch guys, they say that asterisk is now a "proof of concept" only |
| 23:27.33 | [TK]D-Fender | asdx: And what have you done with FS so far? Used for how long? Connected to what? |
| 23:27.35 | routerweasel | yes...i am sorry. |
| 23:27.38 | tzafrir_laptop | asdx, right. They have a nice proof of concept thing called "openzap" |
| 23:28.01 | afg_ch | asdx: so is humanity. they are waiting out there to live in our houses when we are all gone. |
| 23:28.05 | routerweasel | i guess i had assumed *xx feature keys were default in asterisk (call forward, DND, etc) http://forums.digium.com/viewtopic.php?p=68965&sid=59eb8079fb002ae653025c01a0aed799 |
| 23:28.15 | [TK]D-Fender | tzafrir_laptop: I prefer "implementation of concept" much more myself ;) |
| 23:28.26 | asdx | [TK]D-Fender: nothing much, just inbound/outbound with teliax... i get bored after writing XML for 10 minutes, parameter=value ftw |
| 23:28.30 | afg_ch | asdx: Let's make sure they won't find any beer in our fridges when the time has come |
| 23:28.52 | [TK]D-Fender | routerweasel: this is YOUR dialplan, it does what YOU tell it to. |
| 23:28.59 | asdx | afg_ch: yeah |
| 23:29.16 | asdx | tzafrir_laptop: heh |
| 23:29.55 | routerweasel | and i though i found them defined in one of the config files but i just searched them all and came up empty. essentially i'd like to implement a basic set of *xx feature keys to enable users to easily forward calls, enable dnd, etc as described in the post above. |
| 23:30.21 | afg_ch | routerweasel: let me see. I might have something handy... |
| 23:30.29 | routerweasel | sorry for being a n00b, asterisk is new to me but i am aspiring to learn as much as i can |
| 23:31.10 | afg_ch | routerweasel: WinSCP.exe starting (insider irony). The other just ASSUME I would type vi ... |
| 23:31.16 | asdx | [TK]D-Fender: i successfully did more with asterisk than with fs now (ivr, inbound/outbound, conference, call forwarding, voicemail, etc) |
| 23:32.12 | [TK]D-Fender | routerweasel: go write them yourself. Takes a few odd lines of dialplan each. |
| 23:32.28 | asdx | [TK]D-Fender: far from "proof of concept" thing IMHO. |
| 23:32.43 | [TK]D-Fender | routerweasel: Read the full list of dialplan applications and functions and get to work. |
| 23:32.45 | asdx | [TK]D-Fender: i just dislike how they try to spread fud |
| 23:33.15 | asdx | it reminds me of M$ and their "get the facts" lame campaign |
| 23:33.21 | routerweasel | afg_ch: what am i supposed to do with sftp client? |
| 23:33.23 | [TK]D-Fender | asdx: * has "issues", and is meant for certain roles. FS has their own as well. |
| 23:33.31 | asdx | [TK]D-Fender: yeah |
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| 23:35.27 | *** join/#asterisk postel_ (n=jp@wikimedia/Postel) |
| 23:36.42 | afg_ch | routerweasel: I was going to do somthing with WinSCP. You use vi, please or you may get flamed here. http://pastebin.com/d82850e5 |
| 23:37.19 | [TK]D-Fender | afg_ch: Noone cares what text editor you use. I personally never use vi,emacs, etc... |
| 23:38.27 | asdx | vim here, or cat > file << "EOF" lol |
| 23:38.30 | routerweasel | thanks afg_ch but : let the flaming begin! |
| 23:38.57 | asdx | cat > file C^D works too |
| 23:39.18 | afg_ch | [TK]D-Fender: Can I take your word for everyone here? We could meet in the middle with nano. That one is comprehensive for my humble self. |
| 23:39.50 | asdx | nano is nice and simple |
| 23:40.00 | [TK]D-Fender | afg_ch: You'd probably cringe knowing I work almost exclusively in MC :) |
| 23:40.22 | afg_ch | asdx: To hear that from Mr. Linux himself is an outstanding honour. |
| 23:40.49 | asdx | ;) |
| 23:40.58 | asdx | i use mc too, sometimes |
| 23:41.04 | asdx | when i have to copy large stuff over ftp, etc |
| 23:41.51 | asdx | mcedit is cool |
| 23:42.19 | asdx | all editors are good, except notepad |
| 23:43.29 | afg_ch | asdx: But you would definitely change to the other side of the street if I told you that I right click a file in WinSCP and "edit" the file. |
| 23:43.51 | asdx | lol |
| 23:44.02 | jblack | It's gotta be vim. nano is too limited, emacs requires 12 fingers. |
| 23:44.23 | asdx | loves vim |
| 23:44.29 | afg_ch | HILARIOUS, 12 fingers ! |
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| 23:46.07 | [TK]D-Fender | for increased usability! |
| 23:46.08 | jblack | asdx: You ever peer up with someone, only to realize after the session starts, that the guy you're working with uses nano? |
| 23:46.25 | jblack | s/peer/pair |
| 23:46.42 | afg_ch | asdx: so emacs is not for female hackers. male hackers at least have 10 standard plus 1 special multi purpose finger. |
| 23:47.38 | jblack | It's all I can do to avoid screaming "Hey MORON! Pretend you care about the tools you use, and take the few hours it takes to learn an editor with more than 8 commands.". |
| 23:47.45 | jblack | Seriously. |
| 23:47.59 | asdx | jblack: lol |
| 23:48.05 | [TK]D-Fender | *&#^$@ bittorrent throttling... |
| 23:48.11 | asdx | afg_ch: yeah |
| 23:48.13 | asdx | haha |
| 23:48.32 | [TK]D-Fender | sits back and waits for "throttling prime-time" to pass |
| 23:49.07 | afg_ch | routerweasel: What time is it now? Could you just call *60 to help me out? |
| 23:49.15 | asdx | i can't wait for the monopoly to end in my country... i will download so much stuff that i will end up having my own nfs server xD |
| 23:50.10 | asdx | well nto sure really |
| 23:50.27 | asdx | i will probably only download music |
| 23:50.52 | asdx | but i like my own nfs server idea |
| 23:51.17 | [TK]D-Fender | NFS = No File Security |
| 23:51.33 | asdx | heh |
| 23:51.44 | asdx | what then? |
| 23:51.57 | jblack | NFS is ok, if you're paranoid with it. |
| 23:52.21 | asdx | SSH is cool too |
| 23:52.23 | asdx | sshfs |
| 23:52.25 | asdx | scp/sftp |
| 23:52.30 | jblack | Definitely nice tools. =) |
| 23:55.44 | asdx | damn my headset broke again |
| 23:55.48 | asdx | the cable inside |
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| 23:58.41 | afg_ch | asdx: You are in luck. Logitech happens to have just another one in stock for you. |