IRC log for #asterisk on 20080810

`00:00.08`	`uski`	`(that reminds me when I had lots of fun writing stuff such as "su" then sth like "gH2poK1234" to a crowded channel and watching my firewall logs for port 22 - bonus: correlate the IP addresses given by the firewall to the people in the channel)`
`00:00.30`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`baliktad: Looking for 206 in sla_stations (domain ast.corob.lan) <-------------`
`00:01.22`	`baliktad`	`sla_stations is the autogenerated context`
`00:01.50`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`~sla`
`00:01.50`	`jbot`	`sla is probably service level agreement, or shared line appearances`
`00:02.01`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`damn, someone wrecked the link`
`00:02.09`	`baliktad`	`I've read all the links`
`00:02.35`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`baliktad: I don't recall a single one saying anything abou CONTEXTS being created on the flay anywhere.`
`00:02.36`	`baliktad`	`I printed out sla.pdf from the 1.4 sources`
`00:02.57`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`baliktad: Show me where you see this clain`
`00:02.59`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`claim`
`00:03.27`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`baliktad: and BTW this doesn't matter, because its INSANE that your phone would point to a context that you did not create yourself.`
`00:03.43`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`baliktad: So this IS wrong.`
`00:03.54`	`baliktad`	`not so insane, this is how SLA was written by digium`
`00:04.08`	`rasterix`	`its saturday night fight night? :)`
`00:04.12`	`baliktad`	`http://svn.digium.com/view/asterisk/branches/1.4/doc/sla.pdf`
`00:05.09`	`baliktad`	`"With this configuration, the dialplan is generated automatically"`
`00:07.17`	`rasterix`	`i think asterisk should go with a dialplan that is pre programmed not real time... if i program a db app incorrectly i dont have a real time fix option....`
`00:07.31`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`baliktad: You are horribly misunderstanding the fact it may add extens to a context, vs having ANYTHING in that one yourself`
`00:07.49`	`baliktad`	`no, it creates the context for you`
`00:08.01`	`baliktad`	`I will pastebin my dialplan for you if you like`
`00:08.07`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`baliktad: And they expect you to INCLUDE it in the one your phone targets`
`00:08.40`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`baliktad: You need to realize that 1 stupid SLA context is not an entire inbound processing tool.`
`00:09.54`	`baliktad`	`the phone targets the autogenerated context (lines 26 and 31 in my original pastebin)`
`00:10.43`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`baliktad: Go ahead and pastebin "dialplan show sla_stations"`
`00:10.54`	`baliktad`	`the call is intended to get routed to a context you create that gives the caller a DISA dialtone (lines 37-45)`
`00:12.07`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`baliktad: Go look at what its creating.`
`00:12.46`	`baliktad`	`AHH`
`00:13.00`	`baliktad`	`ok I got halfway there`
`00:13.44`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`* doesn't support SLA, only a dirty hack that pretends to be SLA.`
`00:14.00`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`baliktad: What is your end scenario supposed to look like?`
`00:14.28`	`baliktad`	`new config: http://pastebin.ca/1097546 (changed station names to just extensions), dialplan show sla_stations: http://pastebin.ca/1097547`
`00:15.47`	`baliktad`	`just like a linekey system, someone dials on line 2, everyone can see that line as "used"; if you put it on hold you can pick it up from another phone`
`00:15.47`	`jeev`	`fenderism!`
`00:15.54`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`baliktad: Yes, and do you understand what you need to dial in order to USE that "SLA line"/`
`00:16.24`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`baliktad: How many lines? What model of phones?`
`00:16.26`	`baliktad`	`no, but I think you're about to tell me`
`00:16.46`	`baliktad`	`the phones are all spa-942 (4 lines each)`
`00:17.09`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`baliktad: Do you have persence working on those phones already?`
`00:17.21`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`presence*`
`00:17.42`	`baliktad`	`given that I can't actually dial any numbers yet, it's sorta impossible to tell whether presence is working`
`00:18.10`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`baliktad: stop working with SLA and prove you can even do presence with those. When I had mine, you couldn't`
`00:18.31`	`rasterix`	`i just got in and this is a point of interest... we use all spa942 phones... does anyone agree/disagree these are the best value hardphone for asterisk?`
`00:18.39`	`Qwell`	`rasterix: no`
`00:18.43`	`Qwell`	`Polycom 320/330`
`00:18.48`	`rasterix`	`i dont work for linkysis by the way`
`00:18.53`	`rasterix`	`linksys*`
`00:19.36`	`baliktad`	`that's just avoiding the problem, even if the phone can't do presence I should still be able to dial one call from one phone`
`00:19.40`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`rasterix: they are OK, but some compromises I wouldn't like on my own phones. Polycom kills all on quality`
`00:19.51`	`rasterix`	`qwell: pros / cons spa 942 vs 320/330?`
`00:20.00`	`Qwell`	`quality, feel`
`00:20.08`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`baliktad: If your phone won't support presence you won't get a light saying that "line 2" is in use.`
`00:20.09`	`Qwell`	`sound..`
`00:20.18`	`baliktad`	`I understand that`
`00:20.31`	`jeev`	`can i use SetCallerPres with this? http://as.pastebin.com/d659818b2`
`00:20.31`	`baliktad`	`I haven't gotten to that point yet`
`00:20.33`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`And then go see if you can actually attribute a speed-dial to your 2nd to 4th line-keys`
`00:20.51`	`baliktad`	`yes, speed dial/auto dial are all possible`
`00:21.01`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`baliktad: on a line key?`
`00:21.16`	`rasterix`	`we use the spa 942s with old dialogic headsets and noone has ever complained about sound quality... not once...`
`00:21.22`	`baliktad`	`sure, just change the dial plan to dial on a 0-second delay, makes it like a hotline`
`00:22.14`	`rasterix`	`but i will order a polycom 330`
`00:22.29`	`jeev`	`great phones rasterix`
`00:22.40`	`baliktad`	`OH! I think I get what you're getting at`
`00:22.54`	`baliktad`	`the phone has to dial its own extension to get into the DISA dialtone`
`00:23.00`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`baliktad: yeah the "Don't wasste everyones time if your phone is a dead-end"`
`00:23.58`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`baliktad: And yes you need to PRESS the speed-dial that will dial that ext to call your SLA line. it is a FUGLY hack.`
`00:24.00`	`rasterix`	`um... that phone is ugly... end user experience... how am i going to persuade them they want this sitting on their desk?!`
`00:24.51`	`baliktad`	`you seem intent on convincing me not to do it, but it's the solution I need, and buying the right phones is easy once I have asterisk configured correctly`
`00:24.54`	`jeev`	`its a great phone.. haven't used much but it's good`
`00:25.06`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`baliktad: At which point you never pick your actual line key again. you always have to go through your speed-dial`
`00:25.07`	`rasterix`	`i dont know anything about the phone jeev`
`00:25.12`	`jeev`	`i got 30 of them for a reason, i got the most picky woman ever to like it.`
`00:25.35`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`baliktad: meaning you can support 2 "lines" tops if you want to support more than 1 call.`
`00:25.56`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`rasterix: superior coll handling.`
`00:25.59`	`rasterix`	`i know what the first thing end users look at when u give them a new phone... im going to replace their existing phone with that??`
`00:26.00`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`call*`
`00:26.01`	`baliktad`	`the speed dial won't actually have to be pressed, the phone supports dialing an arbitrary number when you press a line key`
`00:26.16`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`rasterix: And the IP 330 is far from "ugly"`
`00:26.40`	`rasterix`	`i guess its personal taste... but my first impression is ugly`
`00:26.44`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`baliktad: You miss the point. pressing the line-key pulls that "line device"`
`00:26.58`	`baliktad`	`that's ok`
`00:27.15`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`baliktad: You need to call SLATrunk or you will never get out.`
`00:27.28`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`baliktad: Like I said, a fugly hack`
`00:27.31`	`jaytee`	`the audio quality of Polycom phones is second to none. It's like wiping your ass with silk`
`00:27.47`	`baliktad`	`I haven't even tried to get out yet, I am still trying to dial other internal extensions`
`00:27.57`	`rasterix`	`well im still ordering one`
`00:28.04`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`baliktad: which is not what this is for anyways.`
`00:28.34`	`baliktad`	`I understand that`
`00:28.34`	`rasterix`	`but considering noone has ever complained about audio quality on the 942 its gonna have to be pretty amazing to persuade me`
`00:28.48`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`rasterix: Then come up with your own opinion. Asking ours and dismissing it so quickly says you don't really want the answer, you think you have it already.`
`00:28.49`	`baliktad`	`but I'd rather test it out on an internal extension than pay for 200 test phone calls`
`00:29.14`	`rasterix`	`fender: sorry i didnt mean to sound like that`
`00:29.24`	`rasterix`	`fender: im ordering one to test it`
`00:29.31`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`rasterix: We you do, and its telling.`
`00:29.38`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`well*`
`00:31.19`	`rasterix`	`and i didnt dismiss it... i totally accept ur points on sound and build quality... i just didnt like the look of the phone`
`00:31.30`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`jeev: And for your situation you should dump AstDB, and pastebin a CALL and look at it.`
`00:33.35`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`rasterix: linksys a too ligh, their rubber feet don't hold worth much. The screen usability is low. No custom ring-tone support. Lower audio quality on handset and speaker. Poor jitter-buffer.`
`00:33.52`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`rasterix: The SPA-942 has a screen backlight going for it. thats about all.`
`00:34.21`	`rasterix`	`i will wait till i get my 330 before i comment further`
`00:34.35`	`rasterix`	`perhaps it will look better in the flesh`
`00:35.29`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`rasterix: just an automatic heads up. Polycom are much more configurable,and it comes at the price of a much steeper learning curve.`
`00:35.35`	`rasterix`	`and yes i agree the plastic on the spa 942 does have a cheap feel`
`00:36.02`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`rasterix: If your users juggle a lot of calls they will love Polycom's "merge/split" feature. I know I do.`
`00:36.12`	`rasterix`	`no they dont`
`00:36.17`	`rasterix`	`they take a call and talk`
`00:36.22`	`rasterix`	`basic stuff`
`00:36.27`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`rasterix: Do you need the passthrough port?`
`00:36.52`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`rasterix: And how much were the 330's?`
`00:37.22`	`rasterix`	`i think i am also beeing unfairly biased... polycom has a cheap brand name... although i could be 10 years out of date on t his`
`00:37.25`	`rasterix`	`this*`
`00:37.29`	`Qwell`	`cheap?`
`00:37.44`	`rasterix`	`in the uk polycom used to be budget phones i think`
`00:37.49`	`Qwell`	`I think Polycom is a damn strong brand. They've proven themselves...`
`00:38.19`	`rasterix`	`let me check this`
`00:39.10`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Polycom has been the conference telephony king for what, 20 years now?`
`00:39.38`	`Qwell`	`I saw an analog Polycom conf phone in a consignment shop around town.. they wanted like $100 for it though ;/`
`00:39.46`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`rasterix: And you'd compare them to Linksys? Whose model was inherited from the Sipura SPA-841?`
`00:39.48`	`Qwell`	`for a minute, I thought I was about to get a steal`
`00:40.04`	`rasterix`	`fender: i am sure your right i just think that they used to sell cheap phones in the uk market`
`00:40.38`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Problem with Linksys/Sipura phones is they are kinda dumb, just like an ATA with an analog phone on the end. When you get hung up on you get reorder tone and other nonsense.`
`00:40.53`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`rasterix: "think"? Might want to really look at that.`
`00:41.09`	`rasterix`	`thats why i said "let me check this"`
`00:44.22`	`rasterix`	`ok im struggling here`
`00:45.44`	`rasterix`	`so im going to make no further comment on polycom brand image until im sure of my facts...`
`00:45.56`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`rasterix: Smart :)`
`00:46.04`	`Qwell`	`besides...Linksys is new at the phone thing`
`00:46.27`	`rasterix`	`qwell: i agree 100%`
`00:46.56`	`rasterix`	`qwell: but they are cheap... and the spa 942 does tend to put a smile on faces when they see it on their desk`
`00:47.03`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`And Linksys' wireless offering are crapTASTIC`
`00:47.22`	`Qwell`	`they look like mini ciscos...`
`00:47.25`	`Qwell`	`ciscos are ugly :p`
`00:47.29`	`rasterix`	`lol`
`00:47.40`	`rasterix`	`cisco did ok in the past i guess :P`
`00:48.54`	`rasterix`	`i havent seen a wireless ip phone i didnt think was crap yet`
`00:49.09`	`Qwell`	`there aren't any`
`00:49.18`	`rasterix`	`i got something right!`
`00:49.21`	`Qwell`	`well, not wifi`
`00:49.23`	`rasterix`	`finally :)`
`00:49.28`	`Qwell`	`some of the dect ones are...acceptable`
`00:49.50`	`rasterix`	`yes acceptable... but nothing i would spend MY money on`
`00:50.34`	`rasterix`	`if ur in the uk u can get a BT wifi phone cheap now`
`00:51.17`	`rasterix`	`but once u leave the hot spot... that damn iphone owner is gonna laugh at you`
`00:51.53`	`*** join/#asterisk metfan2007 (n=jc@201.110.32.22)`
`00:52.35`	`*** join/#asterisk jpcansa (i=jpcansa@200.91.119.172)`
`00:52.42`	`rasterix`	`im in the uk by the way... so fender when your picking on me please remember we still communicate by semaphore over here :)`
`00:53.54`	`C4colo`	`WHASSA SEMAPHORE???`
`00:54.22`	`C4colo`	`or even better: WHASSA SEMMA FOE????`
`00:54.34`	`tzanger`	`it's a computing term that describes a way to synchronize voice streams`
`00:54.42`	`drmessano`	`Are we talking about Gilbert and Sullivan?`
`00:55.13`	`rasterix`	`< wishes he hadnt started this`
`00:55.28`	`drmessano`	`Are you the very model of a modern major general?`
`00:55.40`	`C4colo`	`Wassa Hamma Foe, watcha himme foe, wassa hemi foe, etc`
`00:55.50`	`jaytee`	`"Aye, he's an Englishman!"`
`00:56.08`	`C4colo`	`you have to say it loud and pronounce it like you are a big black man with a deep voice`
`00:56.18`	`rasterix`	`lol that is pick on the englishman!`
`00:56.46`	`jeev`	`!`
`00:56.51`	`rasterix`	`ml110 dual core xeon 1gb mem 250gb hd $49 brand new`
`00:57.00`	`rasterix`	`good deal for an asterisk server`
`00:57.09`	`C4colo`	`I parse this "<rasterix> < wishes he hadnt started this" as meaning "rasterix is less than (or below) wishing he hadn't started this"`
`00:57.22`	`*** join/#asterisk russellb (n=russellb@asterisk/developer-and-stable-maintainer/drumkilla)`
`00:57.22`	`*** mode/#asterisk [+o russellb] by ChanServ`
`00:57.37`	`rasterix`	`lol c4 colo`
`00:58.34`	`rasterix`	`anyway`
`00:58.50`	`rasterix`	`i think its the best buy going for a base asterisk server`
`00:59.25`	`C4colo`	`base asterisk?`
`00:59.30`	`rasterix`	`i wont say the vendor because that would probably be spam`
`00:59.37`	`C4colo`	`is that like base 10 or base 2, but base *`
`00:59.53`	`rasterix`	`its like base 33`
`00:59.53`	`C4colo`	`I don't think asterisk can run on quantum processors`
`01:00.04`	`rasterix`	`my favourite`
`01:01.27`	`rasterix`	`< confused`
`01:01.37`	`rasterix`	`asterisk cant run on quantum processors?`
`01:01.46`	`Qwell`	`sure it can`
`01:01.49`	`baliktad`	`ok if I make the SLA extension automatically dial itself, I actually make it into my SLAOutbound context. But when * tries to execute the Disa application, I get this: WARNING[19957]: app_meetme.c:772 build_conf: Unable to open pseudo device`
`01:01.53`	`C4colo`	`or do you mean Base-Int(Char(*)) because that is 0x2A or 42`
`01:02.04`	`C4colo`	`base 42 would be cool`
`01:02.10`	`C4colo`	`and did you know that asterisk is 42 ascii?`
`01:02.21`	`C4colo`	`I just figured that out ... asterisk is the answer to life, the universe and everything`
`01:02.29`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`baliktad: Means "where the #&$#^ is a zaptel timing source when I need one?"`
`01:02.42`	`baliktad`	`no zaptel, all voip`
`01:02.51`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`baliktad: you NEED IT.`
`01:02.56`	`rasterix`	`zaptel timing sources come really cheap from china right now`
`01:03.02`	`C4colo`	`$15`
`01:03.09`	`C4colo`	`plus the use of a pci slot`
`01:03.12`	`baliktad`	`I dispute your assertion`
`01:03.15`	`C4colo`	`which is not cheap in my 1U server`
`01:03.32`	`baliktad`	`I can use Disa if I put it in an internal context and dial directly (no SLA)`
`01:03.37`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`baliktad: that SLA crap uses MeetMe which REQUIRES Zaptel.`
`01:03.53`	`rasterix`	`on ebay u can get a 3fxo 1fxs digium card for less than $50`
`01:03.59`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`baliktad: how th hell do you think it CONFERENCES people into the bloody line?`
`01:04.07`	`rasterix`	`shipped straight from china`
`01:04.19`	`C4colo`	`doesn't sound like it's digium then`
`01:04.26`	`rasterix`	`i dont know`
`01:04.27`	`C4colo`	`if it is, it "fell" off the production line`
`01:04.32`	`rasterix`	`i didnt order one yet`
`01:04.33`	`baliktad`	`I can understand if it uses MeetMe, but what does MeetMe have to do with zaptel`
`01:04.42`	`Qwell`	`rasterix: PM me the link please.`
`01:04.50`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`baliktad: MeetMe REQUIRES Zaptel. What part don't you get?`
`01:05.07`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`baliktad: as in "no #^$%#$ conferencing without it"`
`01:05.17`	`baliktad`	`sigh`
`01:05.55`	`baliktad`	`I will go read about Zaptel/MeetMe then`
`01:06.03`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`baliktad: What are you looking to use for "lines" in the end anyway?`
`01:06.06`	`rasterix`	`i dont want to get anyone in trouble qwell.. i just want the cards :)`
`01:06.17`	`Qwell`	`They are very likely crap clones.`
`01:06.26`	`Qwell`	`You DO NOT want those.`
`01:06.39`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`rasterix: You're batting 1000 on the #asterisk troll-dom list :0`
`01:06.47`	`baliktad`	`you mean on the phone or where will my calls be routed eventually`
`01:06.56`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`baliktad: Eventually`
`01:07.05`	`rasterix`	`calm qwell`
`01:07.09`	`rasterix`	`i havent bought one`
`01:07.13`	`rasterix`	`i just saw them`
`01:07.21`	`baliktad`	`voip provider, supports up to 4 simultaneous channels`
`01:07.43`	`Qwell`	`rasterix: just trying to save you some trouble`
`01:07.47`	`rasterix`	`ok now im going to sound ignorant`
`01:07.58`	`rasterix`	`how do i send a private message on here?`
`01:08.05`	`rasterix`	`< never used irc b4 last night`
`01:08.09`	`*** join/#asterisk RypPn (i=TuMbL@rosscom.demon.co.uk)`
`01:08.13`	`Qwell`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:08.14`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`baliktad: you couldn't SLA more than 3 of them regarless, and I'm not sure if that'll work at all with SIP lines.`
`01:08.51`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`baliktad: It conferences in with direct ties to a raww zaptel device not targeting a number....`
`01:09.06`	`baliktad`	`the PDF explicitly calls out using SIP for your trunking, and 3 is plenty`
`01:09.59`	`rasterix`	`i translate $2 to £1`
`01:10.05`	`rasterix`	`which is probably wrong`
`01:10.14`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`baliktad: Ok, just checking on that one. And 3 being plenty for 4 channels... well if thats fine with you...`
`01:11.13`	`*** part/#asterisk korihor (n=korihor@201.211.168.130)`
`01:14.33`	`rasterix`	`i am not trolling if they are not genuine digium cards ill report them to ebay`
`01:14.41`	`rasterix`	`i havent even bought one`
`01:16.01`	`rasterix`	`and caveat: you have to pay duty when you receive it`
`01:19.23`	`heedly`	`can't you use the ztdummy module?`
`01:19.36`	`heedly`	`I thought zaptel was only required for timing.`
`01:19.39`	`Qwell`	`if you just need timing, yes`
`01:20.12`	`drmessano`	`1.6.1 is going to change that, right?`
`01:20.31`	`Qwell`	`not for meetme`
`01:20.38`	`drmessano`	`Oh`
`01:20.40`	`Qwell`	`and it'd be 1.6.2`
`01:20.53`	`rasterix`	`qwell: did u get my pm i am not here to troll i am here to find friends that can cure my asterisk ignorance :)`
`01:20.55`	`drmessano`	`What am I thinking about?`
`01:21.01`	`Qwell`	`app_confbridge`
`01:21.06`	`Qwell`	`!= meetme though`
`01:21.11`	`drmessano`	`ok`
`01:21.17`	`Qwell`	`rasterix: yes, and I never said you were here to troll`
`01:21.57`	`Qwell`	`drmessano: maybe eventually`
`01:22.34`	`Qwell`	`file: confbridge supports a good amount of meetme options though, right?`
`01:22.35`	`heedly`	`rasterix: reading cures asterisk ignorance without wasting people time....`
`01:22.51`	`heedly`	`and then trying! and then reading again, and then trying again.`
`01:23.03`	`rasterix`	`i agree heedly`
`01:23.28`	`rasterix`	`if only there were more quality asterisk books :(`
`01:23.36`	`Qwell`	`~book`
`01:23.37`	`jbot`	`Asterisk: The Future of Telephony 2nd Edition (ISBN 0-596-51048-9) --- Order yours at http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/9780596510480/ --- Free downloadable PDF http://downloads.oreilly.com/books/9780596510480.pdf --- HTML at http://tfot.leifmadsen.com, or see ~buybook`
`01:23.39`	`heedly`	`voip-info has quality information.`
`01:23.48`	`Qwell`	`That's the only reference you'll ever need.`
`01:23.58`	`rasterix`	`its an ok book`
`01:24.15`	`jaytee`	`and once O'Reilly corrects all the errors in the 3rd edition it'll be the best book ever`
`01:24.24`	`rasterix`	`exactly`
`01:24.29`	`Qwell`	`pfft, errors`
`01:25.05`	`rasterix`	`if u took all the combined knowledge in this room`
`01:25.13`	`Qwell`	`and put it into a book...`
`01:25.16`	`Qwell`	`you'd get TFOT`
`01:25.17`	`rasterix`	`and got each person to rewrite one chapter`
`01:25.24`	`drmessano`	`or DOS for Dummies`
`01:25.25`	`drmessano`	`Whichever`
`01:25.29`	`rasterix`	`ud get the best asterisk book ever`
`01:25.30`	`jaytee`	`pg 112, 113, 114 for IAX trunking is ass backwards. I emailed errata@oreilly.com for it. I think that chapter was written the week Leif tried to switch to decaf`
`01:26.01`	`jeev`	`loves asterisk.`
`01:26.12`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`baliktad: Closing note before I'm off : With 3 keys reserved for "SLA lines", you will have 1 line-key left. this mean you CANNOT even get a 2nd call while you are on any other call.`
`01:26.17`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`baliktad: No call-waiting, nothing`
`01:27.00`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`drmessano: DOS is for dummies... real hackers have entire botnets backing them up for DDoS!`
`01:27.02`	`rasterix`	`qwell: do u think those are genuine digium cards or cheap chineese rip offs?`
`01:27.29`	`Qwell`	`They are clones`
`01:27.33`	`rasterix`	`ah ok`
`01:27.36`	`jaytee`	`chinese ripoffs`
`01:27.54`	`rasterix`	`i have no use for one anyway`
`01:27.55`	`jaytee`	`advice?: run away, run away quick!!!!`
`01:28.35`	`rasterix`	`anything below t1/e1... not inteterested`
`01:28.52`	`jaytee`	`Digium makes very good T1/E1 cards`
`01:29.08`	`rasterix`	`yes although im in love with sangoma`
`01:29.56`	`heedly`	`lulz`
`01:30.09`	`jaytee`	`and if you buy from them you'll help keep all the folks that work hard on Asterisk employed.`
`01:30.40`	`rasterix`	`i am sure digium's business model deals with the likes of sangoma`
`01:32.00`	`jaytee`	`I think the folks at Digium believe that competition is a healthy thing but I'm betting they also worry about cheap knock off clones of poor quality having a negative impact on the reputation of Asterisk.`
`01:33.00`	`jeev`	`what's the price difference versus their cheap knock offs?`
`01:33.15`	`rasterix`	`i dont think sangoma are a cheap knock off clone?`
`01:33.22`	`jeev`	`why dont the chinese knock off xbox's`
`01:33.23`	`jeev`	`!`
`01:33.25`	`jaytee`	`Sangoma isn't a cheap knock off`
`01:33.41`	`rasterix`	`i went sangoma purely based upon the fact that fonality chose them over digium`
`01:33.51`	`Qwell`	`Fonality...`
`01:33.52`	`jaytee`	`but the fake X100P cards and the fake TDM410 cards are`
`01:34.01`	`Qwell`	`yet another company that does nothing to support the projects they profit from`
`01:34.29`	`jaytee`	`Fonality? grrrrrrrrrrr, aaaaaaarrrrrrrrrggggghhhhh!!!!!`
`01:34.35`	`jeev`	`lets kill him.`
`01:34.41`	`rasterix`	`qwell: im not supporting them as a company... I had to chose a card I thought would work`
`01:34.44`	`Qwell`	`jeev: get his legs`
`01:34.54`	`jeev`	`should we get my pet crocodile involved?`
`01:35.11`	`rasterix`	`omg... fine ill burn the sangoma card :(`
`01:35.23`	`drmessano`	`Fonality sucks`
`01:35.25`	`Qwell`	`rasterix: you should youtube it`
`01:35.28`	`jeev`	`and you'll paypal me $`
`01:35.32`	`drmessano`	`Bunch of leeching bastards`
`01:35.35`	`jaytee`	`it's not the Sangoma card, it's the Trixbox crap you're running it on`
`01:35.51`	`drmessano`	`I'm surprised they haven't come up with their own card design, stolen from someone else`
`01:35.56`	`rasterix`	`ermmm im running it on asterisk straight`
`01:36.05`	`rasterix`	`and it works perfect`
`01:36.10`	`jaytee`	`then why did you mention Fonality?`
`01:36.23`	`rasterix`	`because when i was choosing a card`
`01:36.38`	`Qwell`	`drmessano: O.o`
`01:36.39`	`rasterix`	`i saw that fonality chose sangoma over digium`
`01:36.52`	`Qwell`	`rasterix: why would you care what Fonality thinks?`
`01:36.57`	`jaytee`	`because Sangoma paid them under the table`
`01:37.03`	`Qwell`	`under? hell.`
`01:37.13`	`rasterix`	`because im stupid and i thought those guys at fonality must have their reasons...`
`01:37.27`	`drmessano`	`10%`
`01:37.31`	`drmessano`	`Thats their reason`
`01:37.41`	`rasterix`	`ok ok guys!`
`01:37.44`	`rasterix`	`geeze`
`01:37.50`	`rasterix`	`ill buy digium next time`
`01:37.52`	`drmessano`	`You know why it took them ages to include Rhino drivers?`
`01:37.54`	`drmessano`	`Blackmail`
`01:37.59`	`drmessano`	`Plain and simple`
`01:38.15`	`Qwell`	`drmessano: why are you +g?`
`01:38.42`	`drmessano`	`Im not, I am blocking locally`
`01:38.48`	`Qwell`	`newb`
`01:38.52`	`drmessano`	`lol`
`01:38.57`	`rasterix`	`i spend 95% of my time programming db apps... telecoms is like 5%... im the IT guy Digium want to take responsibility for telecoms`
`01:39.18`	`file`	`eh?`
`01:39.31`	`Qwell`	`file: yes`
`01:40.03`	`rasterix`	`i do have a digium card... we used it for 2 years`
`01:41.22`	`rasterix`	`and i admit it i bought the sangoma based on limited research... but if sangoma are winning the mind games on google thats not good for digium or asterisk`
`01:42.56`	`rasterix`	`this is quite a difficult channel for a noob like me...`
`01:43.44`	`drmessano`	`Fonality has been strong arming through driver exclusivity, stomping out the projects that actually form the foundation of their products, and complete manipulation of their user community, which will generate high short term income, but they have little in the way of long term plans.. which doesn't matter... Chris Lyman will sell out long before then.`
`01:45.00`	`drmessano`	`Fanboys make excellent guinea pigs. Quote me on that.`
`01:45.02`	`rasterix`	`i was not justifying fonality as a company i observed that they are succesful and that they chose sangoma presumably for a combination of value / quality`
`01:45.18`	`rasterix`	`unless fonality and sangoma are more closely linked?`
`01:45.45`	`Qwell`	`$`
`01:45.50`	`drmessano`	`Hardly. Sangoma is high quality, but that's far from WHY`
`01:45.51`	`rasterix`	`ah`
`01:46.04`	`rasterix`	`i will say this`
`01:46.16`	`rasterix`	`i am 100% happy with the sangoma card`
`01:46.32`	`rasterix`	`and their customer support was always fast.. if not accurate`
`01:46.39`	`rasterix`	`but they responded`
`01:46.45`	`drmessano`	`If Rhino had bent over and taken one for the team, Trixbox would had a friggin rhinocerous holding a buttset as it's logo`
`01:46.56`	`drmessano`	`$$$`
`01:47.19`	`jaytee`	`$$$ is the root of all evil`
`01:47.28`	`rasterix`	`so... was sangoma a bad choice of card?`
`01:47.30`	`jaytee`	`it's also the way to get alot of hookers and booze`
`01:47.40`	`drmessano`	`No, but Sangoma isn't`
`01:47.49`	`drmessano`	`No, but Sangoma isn't "more better" because Fonality said so`
`01:48.07`	`rasterix`	`no but u must have been in the same position`
`01:48.27`	`rasterix`	`you are purchasing from a largely ignorant position`
`01:48.35`	`rasterix`	`you need reassurance`
`01:49.13`	`drmessano`	`I prefer community opinions`
`01:49.23`	`drmessano`	`Manufacturers lie`
`01:49.29`	`drmessano`	`Software makers lie`
`01:50.06`	`rasterix`	`my research on google led me to believe the sangoma card and echo cancellation was superior to digium... i dont state that as a fact but simply that google research gives that impression`
`01:50.37`	`C4colo`	`the infallable google has failed me many times`
`01:50.48`	`rasterix`	`i agree c4`
`01:50.55`	`rasterix`	`but i had to make a decision`
`01:50.55`	`jaytee`	`Tide detergent has been "new and improved" just about every year since they've been making the stuff. I don't believe it's going to get my clothes cleaner than their previous formula.`
`01:51.11`	`rasterix`	`ok i think i should leave`
`01:51.28`	`rasterix`	`im just stating how i made my decision`
`01:51.39`	`rasterix`	`i have nothing against digium`
`01:51.45`	`jaytee`	`me neither`
`01:51.52`	`C4colo`	`i use sangomas`
`01:51.59`	`drmessano`	`As much as Fonality has lied about everything imaginable, if they told me the sun was hot, I would google to prove it`
`01:52.08`	`C4colo`	`nothing against digium, other than their price`
`01:52.27`	`rasterix`	`i didnt notice sangoma being cheaper than digium`
`01:52.37`	`rasterix`	`and to be honest that wasnt a factor`
`01:52.47`	`rasterix`	`i wanted a card that worked`
`01:52.51`	`C4colo`	`i beleive they raised their prices recently`
`01:52.55`	`C4colo`	`and I don't buy retail`
`01:52.59`	`drmessano`	`Digium also provides great support, and if you're concerned about the software and hardware coming from the same place, there is nothing wrong at all with Digium cards`
`01:52.59`	`jaytee`	`did ya know it takes almost a million years for a photon to reach the surface of the sun from the sun's core? and then only about 8 minutes to make it from the surface to Earth.`
`01:53.06`	`C4colo`	`or faux-wholesale`
`01:53.25`	`rasterix`	`so... what digium should do`
`01:53.30`	`rasterix`	`is buy out sangoma`
`01:53.34`	`Qwell`	`why?`
`01:53.40`	`Qwell`	`that makes no sense whatsoever`
`01:53.49`	`drmessano`	`Yeah, no`
`01:53.55`	`C4colo`	`<rasterix> so... what digium should do <-- the start of a very long, heavily debated list`
`01:54.02`	`rasterix`	`ok`
`01:54.07`	`rasterix`	`< steps back`
`01:54.26`	`rasterix`	`in "my opinion" what digium should do is buy out sangoma`
`01:54.52`	`C4colo`	`ok, gotta go, got a fax server to test`
`01:54.54`	`C4colo`	`bbl ppl`
`01:54.58`	`jaytee`	`later`
`01:54.59`	`*** join/#asterisk korihor (n=korihor@190.78.32.60)`
`01:55.10`	`drmessano`	`I think Fonality should buy out FreeSWITCH and GTFO`
`01:58.26`	`rasterix`	`so that card i mentioned earlier`
`01:58.44`	`rasterix`	`how do i establish if it is a genuine digium card?`
`01:58.56`	`Qwell`	`does it say anywhere that it's Digium?`
`01:59.02`	`rasterix`	`i dont have one`
`01:59.07`	`rasterix`	`should i order one`
`01:59.09`	`Qwell`	`the auction`
`01:59.12`	`Qwell`	`does it say`
`01:59.13`	`rasterix`	`and we can look at it?`
`01:59.18`	`Qwell`	`(answer, no it doesn't)`
`01:59.26`	`rasterix`	`wait`
`01:59.27`	`Qwell`	`does it ship from China?`
`01:59.31`	`rasterix`	`yes`
`01:59.38`	`Qwell`	`Digium cards are made in the US`
`01:59.45`	`rasterix`	`ah`
`02:00.22`	`rasterix`	`digium presumably have the patents etc to shut them down`
`02:01.07`	`rasterix`	`your right... no mention of digium anywhere`
`02:01.25`	`jaytee`	`except the Chinese just sneer at our lawyers when they mention patent infringement.`
`02:02.01`	`jaytee`	`while our government pays lip service and looks the other way`
`02:02.01`	`rasterix`	`would i be totally hated if i bought one... just to check quality?`
`02:02.10`	`jaytee`	`I wouldn't hate you.`
`02:02.20`	`jaytee`	`but you would have my pity`
`02:02.50`	`rasterix`	`ok`
`02:03.22`	`jaytee`	`because you'd be in here asking stuff like, "Why does it keep the zap channel open after one party or the other hangs up?"`
`02:03.55`	`rasterix`	`im just thinking am ml110 hp and that card... could purchase a 3fxo 1fxs system for around $100`
`02:03.55`	`jaytee`	`or "I can't get the call to go out and everthing looks fine in my dial plan but the card won't respond."`
`02:04.48`	`rasterix`	`i will be on this name`
`02:05.08`	`rasterix`	`if i have problems i will report them against the cloned card`
`02:06.06`	`jaytee`	`and the clone manufacturers will snicker in Mandarin`
`02:06.22`	`rasterix`	`digium need to shut them down`
`02:07.01`	`Qwell`	`or people could just stop giving them money`
`02:07.15`	`rasterix`	`i doubt their is much wrong with the card they appear to have sold several hundred with 100% ebay satisfaction rating`
`02:07.19`	`jaytee`	`sure, and Hollywood needs to make them stop bootlegging movies, games and software. Don't hold your breath.`
`02:07.26`	`Qwell`	`rasterix: on ebay`
`02:07.28`	`Qwell`	`ebay`
`02:07.32`	`rasterix`	`i doubt they would get that if the cards didnt work`
`02:07.34`	`rasterix`	`?`
`02:07.40`	`Qwell`	`nevermind`
`02:08.25`	`drmessano`	`rasterix: You don't know as much as you think`
`02:08.33`	`*** join/#asterisk jeffgus (n=jeffgus@marlene.zimage.com)`
`02:08.35`	`file`	`I don't think I've seen clones of any current generation Digium cards`
`02:08.39`	`rasterix`	`drmessano: i dont know much at all`
`02:08.57`	`rasterix`	`drmessano: im an asterisk noob`
`02:09.19`	`drmessano`	`100% satisfaction rating? That means "I saved $300, so I guess I can't bitch at the low qulaity"`
`02:09.24`	`drmessano`	`quality*`
`02:09.35`	`rasterix`	`drmessaon: you are probably right`
`02:09.48`	`drmessano`	`I bet X100P cards have a 90% satisfaction rating`
`02:10.02`	`drmessano`	`For being a $25 POS FXO card, hey, $25!`
`02:10.31`	`jaytee`	`is this a real Digium card? http://cgi.ebay.com/Digium-TDM13B-1-FXS-3-FXO-Ports-Asterisk-PBX-PCI_W0QQitemZ110277217093QQihZ001QQcategoryZ61841QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem`
`02:10.53`	`rasterix`	`i am here (hopefully) to find some contacts that can advise me on asterisk`
`02:11.00`	`rasterix`	`not to upset people`
`02:11.01`	`drmessano`	`"The Wildcard TDM400P..."`
`02:11.05`	`Qwell`	`jaytee: It appears to be.`
`02:11.07`	`drmessano`	`Enough said`
`02:11.35`	`rasterix`	`i am sharing my experience as an asterisk noob as honestly as i can`
`02:13.01`	`*** join/#asterisk moy (n=moy@189.169.61.29)`
`02:14.13`	`tzafrir_laptop`	`drmessano, OTOH, if someone "clones" a X100P/X101P, there's no original Digium hardware there`
`02:14.24`	`tzafrir_laptop`	`(as in the case of e.g. the TDM400P)`
`02:16.42`	`tzanger`	`jaytee: that does look pretty digiumish`
`02:16.46`	`drmessano`	`I was saying it was NOT a digium card`
`02:16.56`	`tzanger`	`and the backplane also has the asterisk stamped in`
`02:17.04`	`tzanger`	`I can't say for certain but I would say it is`
`02:17.23`	`tzanger`	`the FXS/FXO adapters do have digium serial number stickers on them`
`02:17.32`	`tzanger`	`and hte CPLD label also looks Digiumish`
`02:17.37`	`jaytee`	`ok, but that's an older card but there are several that advertise the Digium name but don't have the stickers or the stamping.`
`02:17.46`	`drmessano`	`Anyone can clone`
`02:17.52`	`tzanger`	`drmessano: Digium most certainly calls their card a "Wildcard TDM400P"`
`02:17.55`	`*** join/#asterisk PepOSX (n=angeldav@190.72.129.75)`
`02:17.57`	`drmessano`	`I have seen genuine-ish XP Cds`
`02:18.01`	`Qwell`	`tzanger: so do some clones`
`02:18.02`	`file`	`tzanger: did`
`02:18.19`	`rasterix`	`i wish i hadnt mentioned this card`
`02:18.37`	`drmessano`	`Ok, smartypants.... So someone decided to buy a new digium card, and throw it on ebay with a starting bid of $50?`
`02:18.37`	`tzanger`	`what I am saying is that the stickers look valid, same outline, the cards have the right colors, the CPLD sticker looks pretty much the same an the backplane too`
`02:18.46`	`drmessano`	`Are you smoking crack?`
`02:18.54`	`jaytee`	`if I'm going to run VOIP for a business I'm not buying someone else's used stuff off of Ebay, clone or not. I want new and full warranty and I want the geniuine article.`
`02:19.05`	`rasterix`	`no`
`02:19.08`	`drmessano`	`Condition = New`
`02:19.08`	`rasterix`	`the point is`
`02:19.18`	`tzanger`	`drmessano: insult me all you like, it doesn't make your point any more valid`
`02:19.21`	`rasterix`	`do digium sell the cards cheaper in china`
`02:19.26`	`Qwell`	`no, we don't`
`02:19.27`	`drmessano`	`lol`
`02:19.46`	`drmessano`	`I don't need to make a point.. It's common sense`
`02:19.52`	`drmessano`	`Which I guess isn't so common`
`02:19.54`	`rasterix`	`ahah qwell u work for digium?`
`02:19.59`	`tzanger`	`drmessano: now that's just being stupid`
`02:20.11`	`tzanger`	`the only way to tell for sure, though, is to buy the card through escrow`
`02:20.18`	`Qwell`	`or not on ebay`
`02:20.20`	`tzanger`	`it could be a picture of a real digium card but ship you a clone`
`02:20.24`	`drmessano`	`So is beleving someone has a new genuine digium card on ebay for $50`
`02:20.29`	`tzanger`	`drmessano: nonsense`
`02:20.35`	`tzanger`	`some people have no id of value`
`02:20.37`	`drmessano`	`I know, I said it's nonsense`
`02:20.45`	`drmessano`	`glad we agree`
`02:20.51`	`rasterix`	`i wouldnt buy anything for work on ebay`
`02:20.52`	`tzanger`	`how else do you explain my purchasing well over $100k of telephony hardware on ebay, all genuine, all working?`
`02:20.59`	`*** join/#asterisk jpastore (n=jpastore@69.65.65.40)`
`02:20.59`	`rasterix`	`id buy it for home`
`02:21.05`	`rasterix`	`i dont trust ebay`
`02:21.06`	`tzanger`	`rasterix: then you are clearly overcautius`
`02:21.09`	`tzanger`	`er overcautious`
`02:21.19`	`Qwell`	`except - the card he linked me WAS a clone`
`02:21.31`	`rasterix`	`no...but for work i dont need that stress`
`02:21.35`	`rasterix`	`as qwell says`
`02:21.36`	`tzanger`	`nothing wrong with being overcautious, but you do end up spending more over the long run`
`02:21.41`	`rasterix`	`its probably a clone`
`02:21.47`	`tzanger`	`Qwell: which, the ebay auction?`
`02:21.51`	`tzanger`	`how can you tell?`
`02:21.53`	`Qwell`	`the one he linked me in a PM, yes`
`02:21.56`	`Qwell`	`it's obvious. :)`
`02:22.01`	`tzanger`	`oh in a PM`
`02:22.04`	`Qwell`	`sec, I'll link you`
`02:22.05`	`rasterix`	`i agree`
`02:22.09`	`rasterix`	`its a clone`
`02:22.15`	`rasterix`	`its way tooo cheap`
`02:22.16`	`Qwell`	`see PM`
`02:22.39`	`rasterix`	`it may or may not be a good quality clone`
`02:22.43`	`rasterix`	`but nonetheless`
`02:22.45`	`Qwell`	`no clones are good quality`
`02:22.56`	`rasterix`	`not true qwell`
`02:23.05`	`rasterix`	`some clones hide`
`02:23.13`	`rasterix`	`based on their reliability`
`02:23.23`	`*** join/#asterisk mallochigh (n=Administ@63.135.231.128)`
`02:23.33`	`rasterix`	`but its not important`
`02:23.43`	`tzanger`	`to be perfectly honest though even the later RJ45 Digium TDM400s weren't all that solid`
`02:23.44`	`rasterix`	`i wouldnt buy one for work`
`02:23.47`	`drmessano`	`I think Qwell knows a little about clone cards lol`
`02:24.09`	`drmessano`	`Qwell: You've no idea what you're talking about`
`02:24.52`	`rasterix`	`drmessano: im not talking about digium clones... im talking about clones in general... there is no need to be offensive`
`02:25.23`	`mallochigh`	`I'm just learning asterisk, I have a sip extension working, I have bought from sellvoip.com, but my call quality is horrible. On lan, its better but will hill cracks what not every 8-15 seconds or so. But my wan sip to sellvoip connection seems horrible what can I do? I'm using ulaw.`
`02:25.27`	`drmessano`	`I'm not being offensive, I have showered TWICE today.. Once even with Soap`
`02:26.32`	`rasterix`	`where are you from mallochigh?`
`02:26.38`	`mallochigh`	`florida`
`02:26.53`	`rasterix`	`you chose a local voip provider?`
`02:26.55`	`mallochigh`	`I just noticed how bad that message is.. half asleep.`
`02:27.21`	`mallochigh`	`Probability, not.`
`02:27.26`	`mallochigh`	`Hmm..`
`02:27.41`	`rasterix`	`might want to check they are local`
`02:27.53`	`mallochigh`	`they have a rate center here.`
`02:28.02`	`mallochigh`	`Is that not the same thing?`
`02:28.20`	`rasterix`	`but id advise you wait for the smart people to talk`
`02:28.30`	`rasterix`	`im a noob`
`02:28.43`	`mallochigh`	`its k`
`02:28.51`	`mallochigh`	`im just glad to have a channel of people here`
`02:29.17`	`rasterix`	`mallo... just dont tell them you bought a sangoma card`
`02:29.22`	`rasterix`	`hey will eat u alive`
`02:29.30`	`mallochigh`	`im 100% sip`
`02:29.32`	`rasterix`	`they*`
`02:29.37`	`drmessano`	`rasterix: That wasn't the issue`
`02:29.39`	`mallochigh`	`and played with chan_mobile`
`02:29.43`	`drmessano`	`rasterix: There is nothing wrong with Sangoma`
`02:29.49`	`mallochigh`	`chan_mobile seems to be evil.`
`02:29.52`	`drmessano`	`rasterix: Now you're almost trolling`
`02:30.16`	`drmessano`	`rasterix: The issue was "Fonality said it's good, so it has to be"`
`02:31.12`	`rasterix`	`drmessano: stop being rude... i stated that i purchased because i had limited knowledge and fonality support for sangoma seemed relevant... end of`
`02:31.26`	`drmessano`	`rasterix: I am not being rude`
`02:31.57`	`drmessano`	`rasterix: I realize you're a noob, but you need some backbone`
`02:32.31`	`rasterix`	`drmessano: i dont do internet fights debate over`
`02:32.36`	`jeev`	`i want to make my music on hold, "pump, pump the jam, pump it up"`
`02:32.39`	`drmessano`	`lol`
`02:32.49`	`drmessano`	`wow`
`02:33.20`	`drmessano`	`I give him about two weeks`
`02:33.31`	`mallochigh`	`drmessano: what do i need to do about static?`
`02:33.47`	`jaytee`	`I trap all incoming 800 number and route them to a queue which plays Slim Whitman's "Rosalinda" and interrupts it every 30 seconds with "Your call is important to us, please continue to hold."`
`02:34.05`	`Qwell`	`jaytee: Rick Astley. nuff said.`
`02:34.13`	`jaytee`	`hehe`
`02:34.17`	`mallochigh`	`I was just going there`
`02:34.26`	`drmessano`	`mallochigh: I'm done helping for the night.. Perhaps rasterix can help you.. Just don't tell him something he doesn't want to hear, he doesn't internet fight.`
`02:34.37`	`rasterix`	`omg i didnt realise i could get rick rolled in this channel :)`
`02:35.03`	`mallochigh`	`:/`
`02:35.08`	`jaytee`	`"In this corner, weighing in at 145lbs, the Doctor of Disaster, drmessano!!!!"`
`02:35.11`	`mallochigh`	`rasterix: any ideas ?`
`02:35.21`	`drmessano`	`jaytee: Indeed`
`02:35.36`	`rasterix`	`look i came here to meet people that know about asterisk`
`02:35.43`	`rasterix`	`i dont want a fight?`
`02:35.45`	`Qwell`	`drmessano: oh yeah! can you prescribe me something for my thumb?`
`02:35.54`	`jaytee`	`"In this corner, weighing in at 156lbs, the Captain of Clueless, rasterix!"`
`02:35.59`	`Qwell`	`I fractured it. tylenol isn't cutting it :p`
`02:36.05`	`mallochigh`	`robotussum`
`02:36.17`	`drmessano`	`Qwell: If you're a noob, you may want to insert it anally.. I hear that helps`
`02:36.24`	`rasterix`	`im not clueless im just not smart :)`
`02:36.56`	`jaytee`	`rasterix, I was just kiddin!`
`02:37.25`	`drmessano`	`jaytee: Be nice, please`
`02:37.28`	`rasterix`	`jaytee: i cant trust u anymore... u hurt me`
`02:37.33`	`drmessano`	`jaytee: He's fragile`
`02:37.43`	`jaytee`	`awww, c'mon!!! give us a hug!`
`02:37.52`	`rasterix`	`jaytee: pucker up`
`02:38.18`	`jaytee`	`puts on The Village People CD and starts batting his eyelashes`
`02:38.44`	`rasterix`	`< wearing skintight jeans for jaytee`
`02:39.03`	`jaytee`	`hands Qwell a Vicodin`
`02:39.29`	`drmessano`	`I would prescribe something, but all I have are clones`
`02:39.43`	`jaytee`	`lol`
`02:39.46`	`*** join/#asterisk bumpr (n=chatzill@76.91.94.50)`
`02:39.57`	`bumpr`	`Hello all`
`02:39.58`	`drmessano`	`Perhaps some Zicodin?`
`02:40.22`	`bumpr`	`I'm lookin for a bit of assistance updating my cisco 7940 to a SIP phone`
`02:40.22`	`tzafrir_laptop`	`no, that wasn't a respond to you "Hello"`
`02:40.29`	`bumpr`	`(heh, i got that)`
`02:40.39`	`bumpr`	`even though zicodin might be nice`
`02:41.12`	`Qwell`	`bumpr: +1 for going along with the joke when you don't know what the joke it. :p`
`02:41.24`	`bumpr`	`yeah, I frantically googled after saying that`
`02:41.29`	`drmessano`	`I need some help upgrading a grandstream to a doorstop`
`02:41.35`	`Qwell`	`<drmessano> I would prescribe something, but all I have are clones`
`02:41.36`	`rasterix`	`hahahhaha`
`02:41.37`	`bumpr`	`please don't let it be hormone therapy`
`02:41.40`	`bumpr`	`heh`
`02:41.46`	`rasterix`	`we have grandstreams :\|`
`02:41.51`	`Qwell`	`rasterix: ...`
`02:41.59`	`Qwell`	`you're just digging your hole deeper and deeper`
`02:42.03`	`drmessano`	`rasterix: Not surprised here`
`02:42.07`	`rasterix`	`lol`
`02:42.08`	`Qwell`	`~phones`
`02:42.09`	`jbot`	`well, phones is http://bani.anime.net/phones/. While personal preference will dictate which phone works best for you, general consensus on a rough order of quality and suggestibility is as follows: Polycom (any), Aastra 480i, Aastra 5i Series, Cisco 7940+, Linksys SPA-9XX, Snom, and finally everything else. Do not consider Grandstream phones. Ever. places like such as`
`02:42.17`	`rasterix`	`we bought them 2.5 years ago`
`02:42.19`	`drmessano`	`rasterix: Maybe a nice Linksys SPA-9000 PBX is more your speed`
`02:42.36`	`drmessano`	`Wait`
`02:42.40`	`rasterix`	`hey upgrade the firmware`
`02:42.40`	`drmessano`	`Grandstream has a PBX`
`02:42.45`	`rasterix`	`im sure they are good`
`02:43.09`	`rasterix`	`< grandstream somethings for sale... ill sell u 10 for p and p`
`02:43.30`	`drmessano`	`I don't want to know what p and p is`
`02:43.35`	`drmessano`	`Ever.`
`02:43.47`	`rasterix`	`i wont tell u then`
`02:43.49`	`jaytee`	`drmessano, to upgrade a Grandstream to a doorstop all you need some lead fishing weights. Take the case off the phone. rip out the electronics and replace with the fishing weights. Violia!`
`02:44.07`	`rasterix`	`2.5 years ago`
`02:44.15`	`rasterix`	`there was no linksys`
`02:44.21`	`drmessano`	`O.o`
`02:44.36`	`rasterix`	`and i dont no about this`
`02:44.41`	`rasterix`	`but no polycom?`
`02:44.52`	`drmessano`	`No Asterisk either`
`02:45.12`	`drmessano`	`Hell, IRC is only like 8 months old`
`02:45.12`	`rasterix`	`grandstream seemed to be the best SIP hardphone choice`
`02:45.15`	`drmessano`	`WHAT`
`02:45.15`	`drmessano`	`I mean`
`02:45.17`	`drmessano`	`o.o`
`02:45.35`	`drmessano`	`Yeah, I got that impression too`
`02:45.35`	`*** join/#asterisk UD (n=steve@unaffiliated/underdawg)`
`02:45.47`	`drmessano`	`Grandstream or bust`
`02:45.49`	`rasterix`	`wait`
`02:45.52`	`drmessano`	`2006 FTW`
`02:46.06`	`rasterix`	`are me and drmessano going to agree on something?`
`02:46.12`	`rasterix`	`this could be a first`
`02:46.15`	`Qwell`	`only sarcastically.`
`02:46.28`	`mkillebrew`	`anyone know if there's a means of connecting an asterisk box to a radio setup? ham or otherwise?`
`02:47.00`	`*** join/#asterisk [gquit]bombadil (n=dana@CPE-70-94-44-157.wi.res.rr.com)`
`02:47.02`	`Qwell`	`mkillebrew: yeah, check out Jim Dixon's app_rpt stuff`
`02:47.07`	`rasterix`	`it cant be done mkillebrew.... < sulking`
`02:47.29`	`drmessano`	`Grandstreams are the most horrifically suck phones in the history of telephony hardware. The fact that you got an impression that "grandstream seemed to be the best SIP hardphone choice" tells me you either are very bad at research, or are better suited to pump gas.`
`02:47.49`	`drmessano`	`mkillebrew: There is`
`02:47.58`	`drmessano`	`mkillebrew: app_rpt`
`02:48.03`	`Qwell`	`there's also...umm`
`02:48.06`	`Qwell`	`chan_usbradio`
`02:48.07`	`drmessano`	`rasterix: Stop talking out your ass`
`02:48.07`	`mkillebrew`	`found it, thanks.`
`02:48.10`	`jaytee`	`I remember reading about ham radio with Asterisk`
`02:48.14`	`mkillebrew`	`and grandstream works well enough for end users for me`
`02:48.18`	`mkillebrew`	`they do suck though`
`02:48.26`	`rasterix`	`and the fact that u are continually offensive leads me to believe i should ignore you`
`02:48.29`	`drmessano`	`Theres several good radio interfaces`
`02:48.38`	`drmessano`	`The 4 port card, the USB devices`
`02:48.47`	`drmessano`	`You can also use an ATA with a phone patch`
`02:48.50`	`drmessano`	`Which is kinda slick`
`02:49.09`	`UD`	`when i try to compile zaptel i get "You do not appear to have the sources for the 2.6.18-6-686 kernel installed."`
`02:49.22`	`Qwell`	`UD: install them`
`02:49.26`	`jaytee`	`UD, you need to install them`
`02:49.26`	`UD`	`where is that supposed t o be?`
`02:49.33`	`jaytee`	`what distro?`
`02:49.34`	`drmessano`	`rasterix: I can't imagine it would be that hard for you to ignore me, you seem to ignore everything else.`
`02:49.41`	`UD`	`debian`
`02:49.41`	`Qwell`	`2.6.18-6-686 sounds like Fedora/RHEL`
`02:49.45`	`Qwell`	`O.o`
`02:49.55`	`*** join/#asterisk coppice (n=chatzill@61.157.17.210.dyn.pacific.net.hk)`
`02:50.34`	`drmessano`	`mkillebrew: http://app-rpt.qrvc.com/`
`02:50.37`	`drmessano`	`That too`
`02:50.37`	`rasterix`	`what did i ignore drmessano?`
`02:51.00`	`rasterix`	`i bought 1 grandstream like 2.5 years ago`
`02:51.10`	`rasterix`	`to evaluate`
`02:51.28`	`bumpr`	`my phone(cisco 7940) is booting from tftp right now.. keeps spitting out 'File Auth Fail: CTLFile.tlv'`
`02:51.29`	`drmessano`	`You also just told someone you can't like asterisk to radio.. and you're admittedly a noob.`
`02:51.36`	`Qwell`	`bumpr: what distro?`
`02:51.41`	`drmessano`	`link*`
`02:51.48`	`Qwell`	`rather..`
`02:51.53`	`bumpr`	`?`
`02:51.54`	`Qwell`	`what distro is your tftpd running on?`
`02:51.56`	`mkillebrew`	`bumpr: what version?`
`02:51.57`	`bumpr`	`ubuntu`
`02:51.59`	`rasterix`	`no i said it as a joke i.e. "sulking"`
`02:52.04`	`bumpr`	`8.04`
`02:52.05`	`Qwell`	`which tftpd?`
`02:52.09`	`Qwell`	`just 'tftpd'?`
`02:52.18`	`mkillebrew`	`why is it loading CTLFile.tlv?`
`02:52.36`	`Qwell`	`I'd have to see how Ubuntu pulls in that package, but it was a bug that got fixed in Debian last week.`
`02:52.37`	`jaytee`	UD, try apt-get install kernel-dev-`uname -r`
`02:52.45`	`bumpr`	`that's what I'm wondering... it was looking for a file named 'CTLSEP<my_mac_addrss>.tlv' first`
`02:52.57`	`mkillebrew`	`does it exist?`
`02:53.02`	`Qwell`	`bumpr: give me a second.`
`02:53.07`	`bumpr`	`i 'touch'ed it to fool the phone`
`02:53.14`	`bumpr`	`but it's empty`
`02:53.14`	`UD`	`package? lol`
`02:53.15`	`Qwell`	`bumpr: dpkg -s tftpd`
`02:53.18`	`Qwell`	`is that the one that's installed?`
`02:53.23`	`mkillebrew`	`don't touch it`
`02:53.23`	`mkillebrew`	`remove it`
`02:53.25`	`UD`	`im going to have to look at the make file i guess`
`02:53.27`	`mkillebrew`	`it's not necessary`
`02:53.39`	`bumpr`	`oh ok, removed then`
`02:53.41`	`UD`	`not sure why the package manager should matter`
`02:53.51`	`Qwell`	`bumpr: focus. :)`
`02:53.56`	`Qwell`	`bumpr: dpkg -s tftpd`
`02:54.04`	`mkillebrew`	`I just updated my 7940 to 8`
`02:54.07`	`bumpr`	`Version: 0.17-15ubuntu1`
`02:54.10`	`mkillebrew`	`it had version 3 SCCP on it`
`02:54.12`	`Qwell`	`most excellent`
`02:54.16`	`UD`	`and this from my /usr/src`
`02:54.18`	`Qwell`	`i386 or amd64?`
`02:54.19`	`UD`	`lrwxrwxrwx 1 root src 17 2008-07-27 17:05 linux -> ../linux-2.6.18.6`
`02:54.19`	`UD`	`lrwxrwxrwx 1 root src 17 2008-07-27 17:04 linux-2.6 -> ../linux-2.6.18.6`
`02:54.23`	`UD`	`drwxrwxrwx 19 root root 4096 2006-12-16 19:21 linux-2.6.18.6`
`02:54.24`	`bumpr`	`i386`
`02:54.38`	`Qwell`	`oh, of course.. they haven't pulled it in yet`
`02:54.42`	`bumpr`	`I'm running a tcpdump in another session to snoop on what's being requested`
`02:54.49`	`Qwell`	`It's a confirmed bug.`
`02:54.50`	`mkillebrew`	`that's what I did, haha`
`02:54.56`	`UD`	`linux-headers is installed too`
`02:55.12`	`bumpr`	`ah, now it's looking for 'SEP<my_mac>.cnf.xml'`
`02:55.19`	`mkillebrew`	`yea you need that`
`02:55.22`	`mkillebrew`	`want an example?`
`02:55.33`	`UD`	`i think my compiling a kernel and then doing apt-get upgrade might have screwed this one up`
`02:55.39`	`bumpr`	`sure (if you're talkin to me)`
`02:55.43`	`mkillebrew`	`I am`
`02:55.47`	`bumpr`	`cool, please do`
`02:55.51`	`mkillebrew`	`wait, sccp or sip verison?`
`02:56.00`	`UD`	`i was reading the 1st edition of the oreilly asterisk book`
`02:56.08`	`UD`	`just since i had a printed copy`
`02:56.10`	`bumpr`	`well, the whole reason I'm messing with this phone is to Upgrade my SCCP to SIP`
`02:56.15`	`mkillebrew`	`oh ok`
`02:56.21`	`mkillebrew`	`then all you need in there is this...`
`02:56.22`	`mkillebrew`	`<Default>`
`02:56.22`	`mkillebrew`	`<loadInformation8 model="IP Phone 7940">P0S3-08-8-00</loadInformation8>`
`02:56.22`	`mkillebrew`	`</Default>`
`02:56.35`	`bumpr`	`sweet`
`02:56.35`	`mkillebrew`	`replace P0S-XXX with wha you have`
`02:56.36`	`drmessano`	`The SIP fw does less`
`02:56.55`	`drmessano`	`Just FYI`
`02:57.12`	`Qwell`	`bumpr: that doesn't fix the fact that there is a bug in that version of tftpd that will cause your Cisco to freak out`
`02:57.37`	`Qwell`	`I don't know how well the Debian package would work, but you want to either get 0.17-16 or switch tftpd's`
`02:59.23`	`bumpr`	`hmm, k lemme get another tftpd so we can eliminate that as a prob`
`03:00.04`	`Qwell`	`atftpd or tftpd-hpa worked for me`
`03:00.11`	`Qwell`	`(and so did 0.17-16 of tftpd)`
`03:03.19`	`jaytee`	`for comic relief: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obIGsb-IZMo`
`03:10.30`	`*** join/#asterisk LeddyHM (i=leddy@da-club.with.my.beerandcondoms.com)`
`03:10.38`	`*** join/#asterisk drako (n=ljd@nelug/coreteam/luisjose)`
`03:11.09`	`bumpr`	`just put in atftpd, works well and actually logs itself`
`03:11.25`	`bumpr`	`gotta update to olllld sip version first, then go from there`
`03:12.58`	`Qwell`	`shouldn't have to`
`03:13.10`	`Qwell`	`what sccp image does it have?`
`03:13.22`	`RypPn`	`imo cisco's sound gash on sip f/w, best using sccp`
`03:15.28`	`*** join/#asterisk Segnale007 (n=Segnale0@host2-250-dynamic.35-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it)`
`03:16.02`	`*** join/#asterisk Bonix (n=Bonix@189.52.0.234)`
`03:16.50`	`bumpr`	`lemme see`
`03:16.54`	`coppice`	`doesn't SCCP only have one image? - proprietary and evil :-)`
`03:17.19`	`RypPn`	`pretty much, an irrelevance if you have access to them`
`03:17.31`	`bumpr`	`I'm wondering where to find that in the phone config`
`03:17.41`	`Qwell`	`phone status`
`03:17.42`	`bumpr`	`I see 'App Load ID P003080005000`
`03:18.04`	`Qwell`	`so, 8.00..`
`03:18.14`	`Qwell`	`you should be fine upgrading straight to SIP 8.0`
`03:18.18`	`bumpr`	`oh ok`
`03:18.42`	`Qwell`	`8.x really`
`03:18.48`	`Qwell`	`whatever the latest is`
`03:21.18`	`korihor`	`coppice: nie hao :)`
`03:21.27`	`RypPn`	`8.9(0)`
`03:24.59`	`coppice`	`korihor: ä½ å¥½`
`03:25.33`	`korihor`	`:/`
`03:25.37`	`korihor`	`hahaha :p`
`03:25.57`	`*** join/#asterisk hoegaatit (n=laa@c-67-160-226-244.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)`
`03:27.36`	`korihor`	`coppice: wuo bu dong :p`
`03:30.57`	`bumpr`	`sweet beautiful upgrade...`
`03:32.01`	`bumpr`	`ah yes, the sip logo in the upper right`
`03:32.03`	`bumpr`	`!`
`03:32.07`	`RypPn`	`anyone recommend a bluetooth dongle that works with chan_mobile and a nokia 6820a ?`
`03:32.30`	`RypPn`	`before I end up with a collection of them :S`
`03:34.32`	`hoegaatit`	`can asterisk be configured to operate as a call-center? I want a SIP server which listens for VOIP calls and then transfers them to numbers at remote locations.`
`03:35.36`	`Qwell`	`hoegaatit: sure`
`03:35.48`	`Qwell`	`bumpr: did it work direct?`
`03:37.26`	`hoegaatit`	`Qwell: is it easy to modify the transfer-to numbers on the fly? The presence of operators will change every few minutes.`
`03:37.38`	`Qwell`	`hoegaatit: queues..`
`03:37.45`	`*** join/#asterisk MrNaz (n=naz@ppp59-167-156-99.lns4.mel6.internode.on.net)`
`03:39.18`	`jeev`	`asterisk is leet`
`03:39.19`	`hoegaatit`	`qwell: I need to know what asterisk calls this list of numbers`
`03:39.39`	`jeev`	`~book, hoegaatit..`
`03:39.42`	`jeev`	`~book`
`03:39.43`	`jbot`	`Asterisk: The Future of Telephony 2nd Edition (ISBN 0-596-51048-9) --- Order yours at http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/9780596510480/ --- Free downloadable PDF http://downloads.oreilly.com/books/9780596510480.pdf --- HTML at http://tfot.leifmadsen.com, or see ~buybook`
`03:41.23`	`hoegaatit`	`ok I'll read this, but it would really help if I knew the technical word for what I'm describing`
`03:41.39`	`Qwell`	`hoegaatit: queues..`
`03:41.49`	`mkillebrew`	`Qwell: should be, but sometimes not`
`03:41.51`	`hoegaatit`	`call-transfer queues?`
`03:42.07`	`Qwell`	`just...queues`
`03:42.11`	`hoegaatit`	`k`
`03:42.12`	`mkillebrew`	`bumpr: you get SIP 8 on there?`
`03:44.58`	`bumpr`	`yeah everything worked out great`
`03:45.02`	`bumpr`	`works like a champ now`
`03:45.48`	`jeev`	`cisco seriously charges for SIP?`
`03:45.50`	`bumpr`	`I'm using BroadVoice as my provider, and they just provide a tftp address to point the phone to`
`03:45.58`	`bumpr`	`after it's a sip phone, that is`
`03:46.09`	`bumpr`	`register the mac with them, and they automatically config it`
`03:46.19`	`bumpr`	`brings a friggin tear to my eye`
`03:46.46`	`jeev`	`that's easy`
`03:46.50`	`jeev`	`i set that up myself on my network`
`03:47.06`	`bumpr`	`Dunno if you guys know, Bernie Mac died`
`03:47.08`	`bumpr`	`= (`
`03:47.13`	`jeev`	`i heard`
`03:47.24`	`bumpr`	`this foo had the __whitest__ teeth on the planet`
`03:47.43`	`*** join/#asterisk mkillebrew (n=mkillebr@50ae.net)`
`03:48.13`	`mkillebrew`	`bumpr: you get SIP 8 on there?`
`03:48.20`	`bumpr`	`yeah,`
`03:48.31`	`coppice`	`figures. "Mac" and "white" normally go together`
`03:48.33`	`bumpr`	`8-9-00`
`03:48.41`	`jeev`	`lol bumpr`
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`03:48.44`	`jeev`	`my friend is black, i'm at his house now`
`03:48.47`	`jeev`	`he has the whitest teeth ever`
`03:48.52`	`jeev`	`makes me look like a yellow t-shirt.`
`03:48.57`	`bumpr`	`I'm black. I do not have the whitest.`
`03:49.07`	`bumpr`	`curses coffee and cigarettes`
`03:49.08`	`jeev`	`my friends teeth are whiter than the whitest paper`
`03:49.09`	`jeev`	`lol`
`03:49.13`	`jeev`	`he doesn't smoke or drink coffee heh`
`03:49.31`	`bumpr`	`well also I've never had em bleached like ppl do nowindays`
`03:49.45`	`bumpr`	`I wonder if I could blind my foes`
`03:49.47`	`bumpr`	`mwahaha`
`03:50.01`	`BugKhaM`	`anyone knows what to specify in the Dial option in order that the Dial doesn't return when the call is asnwered`
`03:50.19`	`jeev`	`i should go to the dentist but i'm scared.`
`03:51.16`	`jeev`	`eh, my friend's a celebrity anyway`
`03:51.20`	`jeev`	`so he has to have white teeth lol`
`03:51.29`	`jeev`	`i gotta go, later guys, bother you all tomorrow.`
`03:51.29`	`BugKhaM`	`btw I am using AGI EXEC DIAL`
`03:53.41`	`bumpr`	`hey so now the next question`
`03:53.44`	`bumpr`	`ringers`
`03:55.44`	`mkillebrew`	`so apparently it's against FCC regulations to connect an automated phone patch system to a CB radio`
`03:56.59`	`heedly`	`UHF is OK though?`
`03:57.19`	`mkillebrew`	`HAM bands is ok to autopatch as far as I can tell`
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`04:17.22`	`mallochigh`	`static is now gone, but I'm only half duplex to my sip provider.`
`04:17.36`	`mallochigh`	`do I need someting in user.conf for them? [just a guess?]`
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`04:23.06`	`drmessano`	`Automated phone patch`
`04:23.16`	`drmessano`	`You can do a manual phone patch lol`
`04:23.57`	`drmessano`	`Phone patches are completely legal on the ham bands, but you can run unattended on 144MHZ and above`
`04:24.31`	`drmessano`	`can only*`
`04:25.17`	`mkillebrew`	`sweet`
`04:26.18`	`drmessano`	`I have a phone patch in my repeater`
`04:26.31`	`drmessano`	`ATA connected`
`04:26.44`	`drmessano`	`Lost my internet connection though, need to redo it`
`04:27.54`	`drmessano`	`chan_mobile is really exciting due to the aftermarket bluetooth gear for ham rigs now`
`04:28.10`	`drmessano`	`Asterisk + Chan_mobile > bluetooth + radio`
`04:30.19`	`mkillebrew`	`I have too much computer crap in the house, have to get rid of it before my girlfriend will let me get any radio gear`
`04:30.33`	`drmessano`	`lol`
`04:30.48`	`mchou`	`mkillebrew: sounds like your gf has her priorities right`
`04:31.00`	`drmessano`	`Sounds like your g/f needs to be spanked`
`04:31.15`	`mchou`	`mkillebrew: also clear who wears the pants :)`
`04:31.44`	`drmessano`	`You just walk up to her and say "Look, I don't need your lip, I am getting an HF rig"`
`04:31.53`	`drmessano`	`and then.. start looking for a new g/f`
`04:31.54`	`mkillebrew`	`mchou: I have two racks, one is full inside the house.`
`04:31.59`	`mkillebrew`	`in the living room`
`04:32.12`	`mchou`	`mkillebrew: two racks of pants?`
`04:32.14`	`mchou`	`:)`
`04:32.16`	`mkillebrew`	`building a climate controlled room in the garage to put it all in`
`04:32.42`	`mkillebrew`	`systems and networking gear. freaking loud`
`04:32.48`	`drmessano`	`lol yeah`
`04:33.12`	`mchou`	`mkillebrew: enquiring minds wanna know, how big is your electric bill?`
`04:33.45`	`mchou`	`like how many KWh/mo`
`04:35.29`	`hoegaatit`	`compiling asterisk under cygwin is proving painful...`
`04:35.44`	`drmessano`	`oh god`
`04:35.49`	`drmessano`	`Why would you want to do that?`
`04:36.07`	`jaytee`	`cyqwin? OMFG!!!`
`04:36.14`	`hoegaatit`	`there are no linux drivers for my wireless card and this is my only system for the time being`
`04:36.22`	`drmessano`	`ROFL`
`04:36.30`	`hoegaatit`	`one guy on the forums claims he did it`
`04:36.31`	`mchou`	`haha!!`
`04:36.36`	`mkillebrew`	`so get a USB or pcmcia 802.11 card`
`04:36.44`	`drmessano`	`Thats ummm`
`04:36.48`	`jaytee`	`oh! that explains it. for a minute there I thought maybe you rode the short bus to school`
`04:36.48`	`mchou`	`hoegaatit: and you believed him?`
`04:36.49`	`hoegaatit`	`and there is that win32 port compiled under cygwin but his page looks like crap`
`04:36.51`	`drmessano`	`"A reason"`
`04:37.15`	`hoegaatit`	`there's this one: http://www.asteriskwin32.com/ shrug`
`04:37.16`	`mallochigh`	`What should I search for when I can hear the opposite party, but they can't hear me?`
`04:37.17`	`pputman-`	`is anyone else having a problem compiling trunk?`
`04:37.36`	`pputman-`	`mallochigh, one way audio, and if it's a sip call you might want to read up on sip and nat.`
`04:37.38`	`drmessano`	`Asterisk + Windows is like Peanut butter + shoe polish`
`04:37.48`	`mallochigh`	`hmm`
`04:37.53`	`mallochigh`	`i have nat=on`
`04:38.14`	`jaytee`	`~sipnat`
`04:38.15`	`jbot`	`[~sipnat] Quick guide on configuring * + SIP behind NAT : http://www.aocomputing.net/?p=3 , otherwise check the WIKI at http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+SIP+NAT+solutions`
`04:38.49`	`mchou`	`hmm that's useful`
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`04:47.10`	`mallochigh`	`no its like it hears me but I am all muffled`
`04:47.28`	`mallochigh`	`er now`
`04:47.47`	`mallochigh`	`slowd down`
`04:47.49`	`mallochigh`	`and muffled`
`04:51.32`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`mallochigh: What are you calling with?`
`04:52.29`	`mallochigh`	`SJSoftphone(windowsXp:IbmT60)-> 1 Ghz PIII server -> 768/256 pipe -> sellvoip.net`
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`04:54.05`	`User987123`	`Hi everyone`
`04:54.09`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`mallochigh: Go test just internally.`
`04:54.35`	`mallochigh`	`I believe that may work..`
`04:54.38`	`mallochigh`	`actually`
`04:54.49`	`mallochigh`	`you have a point using the record/playback function wasn't pretty either..`
`04:54.52`	`x86`	`re`
`04:55.12`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`mallochigh: Try another softphone.`
`04:55.33`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`mallochigh: And when that fails, test your mic on that local machine itself`
`04:55.35`	`User987123`	`Can Asterisk sit in between a normal POTS incoming line and a normal POTS telephone? To function as an answering machine?`
`04:55.46`	`mallochigh`	`actually wasn't bad`
`04:55.49`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`User987123: Yes, but its a complete waste`
`04:55.49`	`mallochigh`	`I just tried it again..`
`04:55.54`	`mallochigh`	`lemme try another.`
`04:56.57`	`mallochigh`	`recommend any particular softphone?`
`04:57.12`	`User987123`	`[TK]D-Fender: Is there any special hardware that is needed for that setup ?`
`04:58.13`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`User987123: If you want an answering machine, * is the wrong approach. Just buyt a dedicated one.`
`05:00.11`	`User987123`	`[TK]D-Fender: I understand that... the answering machine was just an example. I eventually want to add a soft phone into the mix. Example: My line rings. I can either pick up the phone on my desk or click a button on my soft phone.`
`05:00.53`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`User987123: At which point you need your phones to go through *. I might recommend the Linksys SPA-3102 for this.`
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`05:09.50`	`mallochigh`	`used http://www.zoiper.com/zwin.php it works great now.`
`05:12.02`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`bed time, later all.`
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`05:20.05`	`mallochigh`	`what about not recieving calls from your provider?`
`05:24.00`	`mallochigh`	`does my provider belong in users?`
`05:27.12`	`jblack`	`I'm having difficulty configuring a sangoma card for the first time. Is anyone familiar enough with them to lend a hand?`
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`05:40.29`	`mallochigh`	`no incomming sucks :\|`
`05:42.01`	`mallochigh`	`how does one activate anonymous incomming?`
`05:43.15`	`jblack`	`turn guest=ok on in sip and iax conf`
`05:43.27`	`Qwell`	`=ok?`
`05:43.32`	`Qwell`	`jblack: sleep much?`
`05:43.39`	`jblack`	`When I can.`
`05:43.52`	`jblack`	`Right now I'm getting whupped down by a sangoma`
`05:44.02`	`Qwell`	`don't do that then`
`05:44.08`	`jblack`	`sleep?`
`05:44.22`	`mallochigh`	`thx,allowguest=yes`
`05:44.35`	`Qwell`	`sangoma`
`05:45.08`	`mallochigh`	`didn't work.`
`05:45.10`	`mallochigh`	`:(`
`05:46.34`	`jblack`	`perhaps you're sending things to the wrong context.`
`05:47.04`	`jblack`	`why don't you debug, paste your sip and iax.confs (remove passwords), and your extensions.conf, and a nice verbose=9 and debug=9, and I'll look them over when I can`
`05:47.18`	`mallochigh`	`you rock thx`
`05:47.21`	`mallochigh`	`will do that`
`05:51.39`	`jblack`	`I have time now. I wedged the box I'm working on.`
`05:52.48`	`mallochigh`	`ironically phone call`
`05:52.59`	`mallochigh`	`ill paste though...`
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`06:10.13`	`mallochigh`	`T60*CLI> SIP/2.0 401 Unauthorized`
`06:10.31`	`jblack`	`Your authentication is failing.`
`06:10.53`	`mallochigh`	`so which conf would that be`
`06:11.25`	`mallochigh`	`users/sip .conf , I have two entries in sip one for friend one for peer.`
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`06:19.34`	`jblack`	`sip`
`06:19.43`	`mallochigh`	`sip?`
`06:19.48`	`jblack`	`you can run sip debug to get a better feel for how it's failing.`
`06:19.57`	`mallochigh`	`I just see the auth failing`
`06:20.08`	`mallochigh`	`all i can bet is a user acct needed in user.conf`
`06:20.10`	`jblack`	`Correct, so sip.conf, or users.conf is the problem.`
`06:20.12`	`mallochigh`	`or a peer in sup.conf`
`06:20.26`	`jblack`	`so sip debug, and see the account they're trying to use, etc.`
`06:21.08`	`mallochigh`	`okay i have the account..`
`06:21.23`	`mallochigh`	`and that has been in sip`
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`06:38.53`	`Wayhigh`	`errr`
`06:39.17`	`Wayhigh`	`darn it.. I'm all sorts of irritated.. I thought I had another fxs port in my tdm400 and I don't`
`06:39.17`	`Wayhigh`	`:(`
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`06:40.17`	`Wayhigh`	`so now I gotta either buy an ata or an fxs port for my house to get some wife buyin..`
`06:41.35`	`drmessano`	`Seems like the extra FXS card would make sense`
`06:42.31`	`Wayhigh`	`yeah but they're pricey`
`06:42.38`	`Wayhigh`	`<-- poor :P`
`06:42.46`	`obnauticus`	`^ poor`
`06:42.52`	`mallochigh`	`this: http://support.sellvoip.net/support/index.php?_m=knowledgebase&_a=viewarticle&kbarticleid=1 is interesting the user context portion is different than mine but i don't exactly jive with what thier saying without the web if`
`06:42.52`	`drmessano`	`Um`
`06:42.57`	`obnauticus`	`drmessano: !`
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`06:43.33`	`mallochigh`	`if I don't dial out from asterisk, I don't get the unauthed message`
`06:43.46`	`mallochigh`	`if i dial my cell phone to my did i don't get any debug info`
`06:44.57`	`obnauticus`	`blarr drmessano so im thinking about putting a computer where i recently found out where all my house's Coax terminates`
`06:45.00`	`obnauticus`	`in a small crawlspace`
`06:45.08`	`Wayhigh`	`sup tzafrir`
`06:46.05`	`drmessano`	`ok`
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`06:47.58`	`tzafrir_laptop`	`Wayhigh, very good`
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`07:05.01`	`Wayhigh`	`what company do ya'll recommend for purchasing a tdm400p fxp module at a decent price?`
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`07:52.05`	`Sargun`	`heya`
`07:52.46`	`Sargun`	`Are all the sockets made after asterisk changes its UID?`
`07:52.59`	`tzafrir_laptop`	`asterisk.ctl?`
`07:53.15`	`tzafrir_laptop`	`IIRC it's before that. Let me check`
`07:54.33`	`Sargun`	`and port 5060`
`07:54.34`	`Sargun`	`and friend`
`07:54.36`	`Sargun`	`friends`
`07:54.45`	`Sargun`	`mostly I'm using it for iptables`
`07:54.59`	`Sargun`	`to let asterisk do what ever it wants`
`07:56.28`	`C4away`	`5060 udp (sip), 4569 udp (iax), 10,000 - 20,000 udp (rtp)`
`07:56.35`	`tzafrir_laptop`	`Sargun, actually: after (both)`
`07:57.02`	`Sargun`	`ok`
`07:57.06`	`tzafrir_laptop`	`those ports are only bound by modules`
`07:57.58`	`tzafrir_laptop`	`Do you want to try to bind one of them to port 53?`
`07:59.06`	`mkillebrew`	`wtf?`
`07:59.12`	`C4away`	`I bind iax to port 80 just for good measure`
`07:59.24`	`C4away`	`in case I'm ever on a cruise ship that blocks all ports but 80`
`07:59.30`	`C4away`	`but they probably block udp anyway`
`07:59.42`	`mkillebrew`	`icmp tunnel that bitch`
`07:59.49`	`C4away`	`hehe`
`07:59.49`	`Sargun`	`tzafrir_laptop, why 53?`
`07:59.54`	`C4away`	`bbl`
`08:00.08`	`Sargun`	`other than its DNS`
`08:00.18`	`mkillebrew`	`worked at the airport, you had to pay for wifi, could ICMP tunnel out`
`08:00.34`	`tzafrir_laptop`	`C4away, that's both UDP and TCP port 80?`
`08:00.53`	`tzafrir_laptop`	`because port 53 is a UDP port that tends not to be blocked`
`08:01.21`	`mkillebrew`	`unless they block things properly`
`08:03.22`	`mkillebrew`	`if you're on a properly controlled network, you're assigned an rfc1918 address and the NS given by DHCP is 1918 as well, everything else being filtered`
`08:03.54`	`Sargun`	`alright, let me try this aain.`
`08:04.06`	`Sargun`	`I OpenVPN tunnel over 443`
`08:05.41`	`mkillebrew`	`needs to talk to the network engineers that built your network about that`
`08:05.55`	`mkillebrew`	`not doing content checking..`
`08:09.06`	`Sargun`	`huh?`
`08:09.13`	`Sargun`	`I run l7 inspection on 80`
`08:18.13`	`tzafrir_laptop`	`That's the good thing about encrypted content. A third party cannot read it`
`08:18.46`	`tzafrir_laptop`	`Hence you use port 443, where such l7 inspectors will not be surprised by such encryption`
`08:19.22`	`tzafrir_laptop`	`You can tunnel it over http if you really need...`
`08:33.50`	`Sargun`	`well`
`08:33.54`	`Sargun`	`I've done it over http`
`08:33.58`	`Sargun`	`but most of the time it breaks`
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`14:10.21`	`stencil`	`Hello, I found two Asterisk related podcasts from The Last Hope http://pastebin.com/m17a57abf`
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`14:48.13`	`DarKnesS_WolF`	`russellb: no redbull for today ;-)?`
`14:48.41`	`russellb`	`nope, i have given up`
`14:49.04`	`DarKnesS_WolF`	`poor u ;-)`
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`14:49.51`	`leachim6`	`ok...I've installed asterisk , signed up for flowroute , configured asterisk per their configuration`
`14:49.58`	`leachim6`	`I have 25 cents of free credit`
`14:50.07`	`leachim6`	`now how can I make a test phone call without any extra hardware`
`14:51.24`	`lmadsen`	`leachim6: use a softphone like x-lite or zoiper`
`14:51.38`	`lmadsen`	`you'll need a mic and headset, but most people have those kicking around`
`14:51.54`	`leachim6`	`wearing one`
`14:52.03`	`leachim6`	`A nice plantronics one too`
`14:52.10`	`lmadsen`	`there you go`
`14:52.19`	`DarKnesS_WolF`	`leachim6: zoiper is very good an configurations so easy`
`14:52.24`	`leachim6`	`not in apt`
`14:52.27`	`leachim6`	`are there debs for it ?`
`14:52.38`	`DarKnesS_WolF`	`leachim6: binnary in there website zoiper.org`
`14:52.40`	`lmadsen`	`www.zoiper.com`
`14:52.46`	`DarKnesS_WolF`	`not org ?`
`14:52.46`	`DarKnesS_WolF`	`mmm`
`14:53.06`	`lmadsen`	`both probably work`
`14:53.07`	`DarKnesS_WolF`	`leachim6: lmadsen right .com not .org`
`14:53.22`	`DarKnesS_WolF`	`lmadsen: nop .org is like private area " needs auth via apache "`
`14:53.27`	`leachim6`	`I've got it`
`14:53.33`	`leachim6`	`thanks`
`14:53.55`	`leachim6`	`ok...now if I purchase a DID from flowroute ... which is really cheap , can I also receive inbound calls`
`14:54.03`	`leachim6`	`without involving PSTN lines at all ?`
`14:54.22`	`leachim6`	`most people want to hook asterisk up to their existing phone system ... but I want to keep it separate`
`14:55.00`	`DarKnesS_WolF`	`leachim6: so easy just check teh configss. of ur did proivder create the peer`
`14:55.09`	`DarKnesS_WolF`	`the context for incoming bound of the did and ur set to go`
`14:55.12`	`leachim6`	`yeah they have asterisk configs`
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`14:55.19`	`leachim6`	`I haven't bought a DID yet`
`14:55.23`	`leachim6`	`still on test credit`
`14:55.32`	`leachim6`	`ok...now how do I setup zoiper to use my local server ?`
`14:55.44`	`DarKnesS_WolF`	`brb`
`14:58.51`	`lmadsen`	`~book`
`14:58.51`	`jbot`	`Asterisk: The Future of Telephony 2nd Edition (ISBN 0-596-51048-9) --- Order yours at http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/9780596510480/ --- Free downloadable PDF http://downloads.oreilly.com/books/9780596510480.pdf --- HTML at http://tfot.leifmadsen.com, or see ~buybook`
`14:59.03`	`lmadsen`	`zoiper is covered in that book`
`14:59.16`	`lmadsen`	`off to get breakfast and start painting now`
`15:02.26`	`leachim6`	`...so I'm gonna buy a book to see how to setup zoiper ?`
`15:02.31`	`leachim6`	`wow ... that's a good idea`
`15:02.33`	`leachim6`	`:)`
`15:02.35`	`leachim6`	`I figured it out`
`15:02.40`	`DarKnesS_WolF`	`lmadsen: painting ? house ?`
`15:02.56`	`DarKnesS_WolF`	`leachim6: u can read it via PDF :P if u like i buy it :)`
`15:03.11`	`leachim6`	`ohh`
`15:03.19`	`leachim6`	`I thought you wanted me to go to the store`
`15:03.21`	`leachim6`	`sorry :)`
`15:03.28`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`"This IRC channel is best viewed with .... YOUR EYES"`
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`15:06.40`	`DarKnesS_WolF`	`[TK]D-Fender: morning ;-)`
`15:06.53`	`leachim6`	`ok...I got zoiper to make an outbound call using SIP directly to flowroute`
`15:07.00`	`leachim6`	`now how do I make it work with my local asterisk server`
`15:07.09`	`DarKnesS_WolF`	`leachim6: read the book`
`15:07.16`	`DarKnesS_WolF`	`or even voip-info.org !`
`15:07.30`	`DarKnesS_WolF`	`at least create a user in ur local asterisk and hock zoiper to it`
`15:07.41`	`leachim6`	`K`
`15:07.52`	`leachim6`	`I've installed gastman`
`15:07.58`	`leachim6`	`but it asks for a username and password`
`15:08.00`	`leachim6`	`where are those defined ?`
`15:08.05`	`russellb`	`manager.conf`
`15:08.27`	`leachim6`	`ah`
`15:08.58`	`leachim6`	`it says "create a file in manager.d"`
`15:09.01`	`leachim6`	`what do I put in it ?`
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`15:18.34`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`leachim6: Lets make this clear. We aren't about to hand-hold you though every tiny thing you'll need to get yourself set up.`
`15:19.14`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`leachim6: * has a learning curve and there are plenty of good resources out there including the BOOK you have the privilege of viewing for free. Use them.`
`15:21.28`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`leachim6: And gastman has nothing to do with configuring your system. It only lets you see calls in progress and mess around with them`
`15:21.35`	`russellb`	`alternatively, configs/manager.conf.sample`
`15:21.51`	`leachim6`	`RIGHT ... GOTCHA`
`15:21.54`	`leachim6`	`i'LL LOOK IT UP`
`15:22.01`	`leachim6`	`not your job`
`15:25.51`	`ibercom`	`Anybody know something about RDSI AOC and asterisk ?`
`15:26.30`	`russellb`	`AOC as in Advice of Charge?`
`15:26.33`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`ibercom: IIRC * doesn't process AOC on PRI/etc.`
`15:26.51`	`russellb`	`that is correct, AoC is not yet supported`
`15:27.22`	`russellb`	`though it's looking like it will probably happen within the next year ...`
`15:28.04`	`ibercom`	`Don't exist patch o something ?`
`15:28.20`	`ibercom`	`I need Advice of Charge in PRI ?`
`15:28.34`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`ibercom: Need, no. Want? Up to you`
`15:28.49`	`russellb`	`is. not. supported.`
`15:28.52`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`ibercom: and I doubt there is a patch for it. Feel free to try looking it up on Mantis`
`15:29.18`	`russellb`	`feel free to try this ... http://bugs.digium.com/view.php?id=7494`
`15:29.49`	`drako`	`whats AoC for?`
`15:30.09`	`ibercom`	`I have olds E1 with this feature, and it is interesting.`
`15:30.55`	`russellb`	`although there are no changes to asterisk in those patches, so ......`
`15:31.49`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`drako: Advice Of Charge. For billing`
`15:32.01`	`russellb`	`well, there are some links to other things throughout the comments`
`15:32.07`	`russellb`	`anyway, YMMV, but have at it`
`15:32.08`	`drako`	`oh i see`
`15:32.39`	`ibercom`	`AOC in CDR is a easy feature to billing.`
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`15:33.00`	`flush`	`ahoy`
`15:33.06`	`flush`	`is ubuntu a good distro to run asterisk ?/`
`15:33.16`	`russellb`	`flush: sure`
`15:33.22`	`flush`	`kewl`
`15:33.29`	`russellb`	`whatever linux distro you are most comfortable with ...`
`15:33.30`	`flush`	`what is asterisk@home about.. ?`
`15:33.34`	`russellb`	`it doesn't exist`
`15:33.39`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`flush: chips`
`15:33.46`	`russellb`	`and what it turned into is something you don't want to touch with an 800 km poke`
`15:33.49`	`russellb`	`s/poke/pole/`
`15:33.50`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`flush: predecessor to trixbox`
`15:34.14`	`russellb`	`teh suck`
`15:34.16`	`flush`	`so best is -not- to use asterisk@home and install a distro such as ubuntu and run asterisk ?`
`15:34.21`	`russellb`	`yes`
`15:34.36`	`flush`	`copy`
`15:38.20`	`flush`	`and trixbox, not good as asterisk or finally its just all about a distro thats been optimized or i dont know to run asterisk ?`
`15:38.45`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`flush: Includes GUI components that do everything for you and if you don't like what it does... TFB`
`15:38.55`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`flush: It wipes your drive and runs the show`
`15:39.05`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`flush: And the comparison is not appropriate.`
`15:39.09`	`flush`	`it can burn in hell, what about asterisknow ?`
`15:39.25`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`flush: That's like saying "What better, a car, or wheels?"`
`15:39.37`	`flush`	`rofl, ok i get it`
`15:40.27`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`flush: same for AsteriskNow except its GUI framework gives you a lot more "play" as far as letting you customize your dialplan manually goes.`
`15:41.03`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`flush: If you are even vaguely considering that approach, install * on your own distro of choice and install the GUI separately for testing.`
`15:41.16`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`flush: rPath (*NOW's base) is IMO... meh`
`15:42.33`	`flush`	`rPath is the gui i can install once i installed asterisk on ubuntu lets say ?`
`15:42.52`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`flush: rPath is a DISTRO`
`15:43.00`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`flush: Please pay attention.`
`15:43.01`	`flush`	`sorry`
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`15:50.46`	`russellb`	`installing the gui that comes with asterisknow is trivial`
`15:50.51`	`russellb`	`its only dependency is asterisk itself`
`15:51.08`	`russellb`	`and actually a rewrite just got released...`
`15:53.49`	`russellb`	`[TK]D-Fender: what is your distro of choice?`
`15:55.40`	`wizzy_`	`folks, I am running asterisk on Ubuntu 8.04. I have a Digium b410p card. I have compiled mISDN drivers from mISDN-1_1_8.tar.gz, and mISDNuser as well. "misdnportinfo" reports my four ports. I compiled asterisk from asterisk-1.6.0-beta9, and asterisk-addons-1.6.0-beta4. I have the chan_misdn.so in /usr/lib/asterisk/modules. but, from the CLI, "module load chan_misdn.so" reports "Unable to initialize mISDN"`
`15:56.36`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`russellb: CentOS followed by Slackware`
`15:56.51`	`russellb`	`[TK]D-Fender: gotcha, just curious.`
`15:57.11`	`wizzy_`	`the source of the error line is "if (max_ports <= 0)" - so, I think it is not seeing my ports`
`15:57.26`	`russellb`	`wizzy_: If you'd like to use 1.6.0, I would suggest getting the code from svn.`
`15:57.34`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`russellb: I aim "generic" first knowing I've got a lot of support options and whose issues are more easily accounted for.`
`15:57.36`	`russellb`	`wizzy_: svn co http://svn.digium.com/svn/asterisk/branches/1.6.0`
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`15:57.52`	`jaytee`	`run out of paint?`
`15:57.59`	`russellb`	`wizzy_: and of course, check your asterisk misdn configuration ..`
`15:58.06`	`wizzy_`	`russellb: thanks`
`15:58.13`	`russellb`	`<PROTECTED>`
`15:58.17`	`lmadsen`	`DarKnesS_WolF: nah, new condo in downtown Toronto`
`15:58.19`	`lmadsen`	`Just moving furniture around now :)`
`15:58.29`	`russellb`	`lmadsen: you've had way too long`
`15:58.35`	`lmadsen`	`just got back from lunch/breakfast, and now I'm starting up some internet radio after watching the end of the USA/China basketball game`
`15:58.40`	`lmadsen`	`russellb: oh really now... :)`
`15:58.41`	`russellb`	`real men move in a weekend`
`15:58.43`	`russellb`	`you're taking a month`
`15:58.49`	`russellb`	`:-p`
`15:58.52`	`lmadsen`	`hahaha... maybe when you don't have to use elevators`
`15:59.04`	`lmadsen`	`russellb: I just meant move it away from the wall :)`
`15:59.04`	`wizzy_`	`which is the misdn config - /etc/misdn-init.conf or mISDN.conf ? Where are the instructions for mISDN.conf ?`
`15:59.29`	`russellb`	`lmadsen: i'm just trolling.`
`15:59.31`	`lmadsen`	`russellb: I hope you never have to experience moving from one condo to another... every other time I've moved I've only had to do that on one side... scheduling elevators in both locations is a nightmare`
`15:59.34`	`jaytee`	`a word to men choosing condos or apartments on anything other than the 1st floor.......... sectional sofas`
`15:59.35`	`lmadsen`	`russellb: I know you are :)`
`15:59.41`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`russellb: a WEEKEND? a DAY <-`
`15:59.47`	`jaytee`	`well, that's two words but you get the point I'm sure`
`15:59.47`	`russellb`	`[TK]D-Fender: touche`
`16:00.06`	`lmadsen`	`jaytee: I moved my 3 person couch by myself... I had to come up with an ingenious design with bailer twine to attach the trolley to the other end of the couch :)`
`16:00.09`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`russellb: Mine have taken about 4 hours on average (truck arrive->leave`
`16:00.19`	`russellb`	`lmadsen: that's hardcore`
`16:00.36`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`russellb: No, thats the couch's OTHER function ;)`
`16:00.45`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`uNF!`
`16:00.48`	`russellb`	`zing!`
`16:00.48`	`lmadsen`	`[TK]D-Fender: who was doing the moving though? I moved everything, including my mattress, couch, 46" TV, etc... by myself`
`16:01.09`	`lmadsen`	`with only 1 hour elevator windows at each location`
`16:01.18`	`lmadsen`	`2-3pm at one, then 6-7pm at the other`
`16:01.23`	`lmadsen`	`with only a Dodge Caravan`
`16:01.23`	`jaytee`	`lmadsen, if you don't learn to delegate these trivial tasks you'll never be cut out for a management position`
`16:01.29`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`lmadsen: I like my health. Have a local moving Co thats seen me through 2 moves for under $300`
`16:01.32`	`lmadsen`	`jaytee: I hate mgmt :)`
`16:01.38`	`jaytee`	`don't we all?`
`16:01.44`	`lmadsen`	`looks at russellb :)`
`16:01.49`	`russellb`	`O.O`
`16:01.51`	`russellb`	`what!`
`16:02.02`	`lmadsen`	`russellb: <3`
`16:02.06`	`russellb`	`I'm not a manager.`
`16:02.11`	`lmadsen`	`but you manage :)`
`16:02.14`	`russellb`	`that's true.`
`16:02.16`	`lmadsen`	`haha`
`16:02.33`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`I can barely..`
`16:02.46`	`lmadsen`	`I will never move myself again... I think 5 times is enough`
`16:03.01`	`russellb`	`i go to manager meetings and stuff, heh, but i'm not officially a manager`
`16:03.01`	`ReDNeQ`	`good morning`
`16:03.09`	`lmadsen`	`and that doesn't include moving my parents the other 15 times :)`
`16:03.10`	`russellb`	`kids don't get to be managers.`
`16:03.18`	`lmadsen`	`russellb: tell that to rbrindley`
`16:04.28`	`lmadsen`	`ok... enough procrastinating I guess... time to paint!`
`16:04.46`	`russellb`	`good luck!!`
`16:04.48`	`DarKnesS_WolF`	`lmadsen: cool :-) congratulatiosn for ur new condo :)`
`16:05.00`	`lmadsen`	`thx :)`
`16:05.01`	`russellb`	`lmadsen's condo is kicking ass from the pics i have seen`
`16:05.18`	`lmadsen`	`ya... and my la-z-boy and desk haven't even arrived!`
`16:05.20`	`russellb`	`facebook stalking ftw`
`16:05.24`	`lmadsen`	`russellb: totally`
`16:05.27`	`jaytee`	`I want a huge loft with a second level and a spiral staircase`
`16:05.41`	`lmadsen`	`that's what I'm hoping I can get in 5 years`
`16:05.52`	`jaytee`	`but the funding just isn't there yet`
`16:05.58`	`lmadsen`	`sell this place and use the profit for a downpayment on a 1200 sqft 2 story condo`
`16:07.02`	`_khan`	`Anybody tell me free skype 2 sip gateway for multiple calls`
`16:07.06`	`DarKnesS_WolF`	`lmadsen: what !? and how much u should pay later ?`
`16:07.16`	`DarKnesS_WolF`	`and lmadsen condo is rented ? or it is ur own ?`
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`16:08.42`	`russellb`	`_khan: nothing exists that doesn't completely suck`
`16:09.05`	`_khan`	`@russellb: why??`
`16:09.15`	`russellb`	`~skype`
`16:09.16`	`jbot`	`[~skype] Skype is a free VoIP software and service using a closed client and propritary protocol. Only commercial channel drivers exist, all of which are poor implementations of convoluted hacks. In general, forget about using Skype with Asterisk...`
`16:09.52`	`_khan`	`@russellb: what about chanskype, is this good in commercial?`
`16:10.12`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`_khan: ALL SUCK`
`16:10.34`	`russellb`	`[TK]D-Fender: well put`
`16:10.51`	`_khan`	`it means we cant use skype!!!! :(`
`16:11.07`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Oh noes!!`
`16:11.18`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Skype is for little kiddies`
`16:12.11`	`WindBack`	`Hi, I'm using a TDM800 with the echo canceller. When I do a call to the PSTN I hear a silence to deep when I speak and tha called party dont at the same time. This silence is a little annoying. Does exist any way to solve this issue??`
`16:12.28`	`tzanger`	`WindBack: which echo canceler have you used?`
`16:12.46`	`DarKnesS_WolF`	`_khan: look for hardware solutions`
`16:12.54`	`DarKnesS_WolF`	`but anywya u'll need a win machine.`
`16:13.17`	`WindBack`	`tzanger, VPMADT032`
`16:13.22`	`_khan`	`DarKnesS_WolF: i dont wanna go to win`
`16:13.30`	`DarKnesS_WolF`	`_khan: mm ic`
`16:13.50`	`tzanger`	`hmm okay it is hardware echo can`
`16:13.53`	`DarKnesS_WolF`	`_khan: then ithink there is only solution for linux was like 30 USD or something`
`16:14.07`	`WindBack`	`tzanger, yes`
`16:14.25`	`_khan`	`DarKnesS_WolF: which one?`
`16:14.34`	`tzanger`	`I would contact digium support; you've paid for the right when you bought the card`
`16:14.36`	`DarKnesS_WolF`	`_khan: don't recall the name actually`
`16:14.37`	`DarKnesS_WolF`	`let me check`
`16:14.48`	`_khan`	`ok`
`16:16.37`	`russellb`	`anything that wasn't done officially with skype is going to be a hack that works like crap, if at all`
`16:16.56`	`WindBack`	`tzanger, Do you think something in zapata.conf or zaptel.conf is bad configured?`
`16:18.09`	`DarKnesS_WolF`	`_khan: http://www.rsdevs.com/psgw.shtml that one but i never treid`
`16:18.20`	`DarKnesS_WolF`	`russellb: true`
`16:18.57`	`russellb`	`single call ...`
`16:18.59`	`DarKnesS_WolF`	`_khan: 20 usd :P`
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`16:25.42`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`ok, time to go off and hit the water. Later all.`
`16:28.41`	`russellb`	`with what, a stick?`
`16:29.58`	`DarKnesS_WolF`	`lol`
`16:32.57`	`_khan`	`DarKnesS_WolF: it is for a single call only, i need it for 30 concurrent channels. but now i understand that all them SUCK :)`
`16:34.45`	`DarKnesS_WolF`	`_khan: in that case u need hardware`
`16:34.48`	`DarKnesS_WolF`	`look for skytrunk`
`16:34.57`	`DarKnesS_WolF`	`an appliance but not cheap`
`16:40.21`	`_khan`	`DarKnesS_WolF: skytrunk is not for multiple calls :)`
`16:40.51`	`DarKnesS_WolF`	`_khan: it is :-)`
`16:40.52`	`Qwell`	`_khan: just forget about it`
`16:40.56`	`DarKnesS_WolF`	`there is one have like 30 channel`
`16:41.07`	`DarKnesS_WolF`	`Qwell: it is crapy but it will work :)`
`16:41.14`	`_khan`	`@Qwell: i already forgot it`
`16:41.44`	`_khan`	`Good resource for Skype gateways is at http://www.voip-info.org/wiki-Skype+Gateways both for hardware & software`
`16:42.25`	`DarKnesS_WolF`	`_khan: why u need skype anywah`
`16:42.30`	`DarKnesS_WolF`	`anywya *`
`16:42.40`	`DarKnesS_WolF`	`anyway * damn it :D need coffee ;-)`
`16:43.52`	`_khan`	`DarKnesS_WolF: just for cheap calling :)`
`16:44.15`	`DarKnesS_WolF`	`_khan: believe me there are terminiations more cheaper`
`16:44.43`	`DarKnesS_WolF`	`also _khan now skype charging for initial and connecting the call`
`16:45.00`	`User987123`	`Hi all - Does anyone know how well the 'Voxzone X100P FXO PCI CARD' will work with *?`
`16:45.31`	`_khan`	`DarKnesS_WolF: just leave this topic now.`
`16:46.27`	`DarKnesS_WolF`	`User987123: it will work but not recommended for production, X100P or clones it is like 10USD.`
`16:46.27`	`DarKnesS_WolF`	`User987123: if u want just to learn and so on yes it will work`
`16:46.44`	`User987123`	`DarKnesS_WolF: just want to experiment / maybe setup a home * box`
`16:47.23`	`User987123`	`DarKnesS_WolF: do you happen to know if it has the echo problem?`
`16:50.31`	`DarKnesS_WolF`	`User987123: most of them have echo problem and it is not related to the card`
`16:50.53`	`DarKnesS_WolF`	`User987123: but anyway u can treat it with software echo cancler from ur zapata.conf`
`16:51.25`	`DarKnesS_WolF`	`User987123: i have TDM400P 1fxo 1fxs works out of the box no echo.`
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`16:57.16`	`User987123`	`DarKnesS_WolF: I don't want to spend a lot just to play around`
`17:00.04`	`drako`	`User987123, X100P doesn't worth a peny`
`17:00.16`	`drako`	`User987123, its better go for a SIP gateway like Sipuras`
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`17:07.50`	`wizzy_`	`I have now pulled the subversion 1.6.0 relase, and compiled it. misdnportinfo reports my ports, but "module load chan_misdn.so" says "Unable to initialize mISDN"`
`17:09.35`	`wizzy_`	`It is a Digium b410p, and /etc/asterisk/misdn.conf mentions 4 ports`
`17:09.51`	`wizzy_`	`how do I start debugging this ?`
`17:11.00`	`uski`	`set verbose 999`
`17:11.02`	`uski`	`set debug 999`
`17:11.08`	`uski`	`(i'm not sure it will help but you can try)`
`17:12.15`	`wizzy_`	`thanks uski but "module load chan_misdn.so" produces no more output`
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`17:12.55`	`wizzy_`	`what is the minimum I need in /etc/asterisk/misdn.conf ?`
`17:14.01`	`uski`	`here is what i'd do, but my knowledge is asterisk is limited so there is probably something easier and more appropriate to do: go to the source file of chan_misdn.so, look for the line which generate that error message, and look what calls it and what it attemps to do; you can then add more debug lines in between the initialization steps so that you get a more verbose output`
`17:14.19`	`DarKnesS_WolF`	`User987123: sorry to learn u have to play around getting it up so easy`
`17:14.44`	`wizzy_`	`uski: I did. It says: "if (max_ports <= 0)" - so, I think it is not seeing my ports`
`17:15.01`	`DarKnesS_WolF`	`wizzy_: u have full log enabled ?`
`17:15.04`	`DarKnesS_WolF`	`core set debug 10`
`17:15.15`	`uski`	`DarKnesS_WolF, is that equivalent to set debug 10 ?`
`17:15.22`	`DarKnesS_WolF`	`yes`
`17:15.24`	`uski`	`ok`
`17:16.07`	`DarKnesS_WolF`	`wizzy_: check also the full log and enabled it then reload the module`
`17:16.17`	`wizzy_`	`DarKnesS_WolF: there is no more debug output on CLI - should I be looking elsewhere ?`
`17:17.17`	`DarKnesS_WolF`	`the log`
`17:17.20`	`DarKnesS_WolF`	`the full log`
`17:17.27`	`DarKnesS_WolF`	`/var/log/asterisk/full`
`17:17.36`	`DarKnesS_WolF`	`and make sure that u have the full log enabled in logger.conf`
`17:18.17`	`uski`	`wizzy_, if the full log doesn't provide you with any clue and if you have the "skills" to read the source code, then you might try to add debugging output to the part that parses the config; this will tell you what the module sees`
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`17:24.01`	`JoZu`	`hi to all`
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`17:25.14`	`JoZu`	`i have a problem, i need this one: when people has in queue and the agent recivies call, that people must send and agi (ident.agi)`
`17:26.18`	`JoZu`	`any idea?`
`17:27.10`	`DarKnesS_WolF`	`JoZu: huh ?`
`17:27.50`	`DarKnesS_WolF`	`u mean if the agent receved a call he shuold excute ident.agi ?`
`17:28.37`	`JoZu`	`the person who enters the call with the agent to identify`
`17:29.37`	`JoZu`	`the agent heard the beep and reaches the ident.agi to identify it in the crm`
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`17:33.29`	`User987123`	`Would it be possible to use 'an old 33.6 model + sound card ' as an fxo interface to * ?`
`17:34.16`	`JoZu`	`DarKnesS_WolF you understand me?`
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`17:42.45`	`DarKnesS_WolF`	`JoZu: to be honest nop`
`17:49.35`	`drako`	`User987123, no.`
`17:49.50`	`drako`	`User987123, spend $100 if you want to try it with your PSTN`
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`18:15.53`	`hardwire`	`is there a slang term for "terminate and originate"`
`18:15.59`	`hardwire`	`like.. torginate.`
`18:16.01`	`hardwire`	`:)`
`18:16.26`	`User987123`	`Can asterisk interface with VOIP providers such as vonage ?`
`18:19.35`	`hardwire`	`User987123: http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+and+Vonage`
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`18:46.42`	`mkillebrew`	`Aug 7 17:55:35 asterisk sshd[28960]: Invalid user harrypotter from 219.117.223.235`
`18:46.42`	`mkillebrew`	`Aug 9 03:26:19 asterisk sshd[35284]: Invalid user harrypotter from 78.110.163.31`
`18:46.48`	`mkillebrew`	`harrypotter?`
`18:49.44`	`DarKnesS_WolF`	`x86: there?`
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`19:19.31`	`Wayhigh`	`hmmph.. still trying to find a local place to get an ATA from :)`
`19:27.47`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Wayhigh: Good luck with that... these aren't "consumer" items`
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`19:58.58`	`Wayhigh`	`fender: yeah.. I may see about unlocking a vonage ata`
`19:59.02`	`Wayhigh`	`whatever works ya know`
`19:59.47`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Wayhigh: How about actually buying a product thats supposed to let you configure it?`
`20:00.05`	`Wayhigh`	`fender: is it something I can get today? :-P`
`20:01.00`	`Wayhigh`	`I'm trying to get some WAF.. I can mostly only do this stuff on the weekend ya know..`
`20:01.06`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Wayhigh: Sure, you want to work that way, go right ahead. In fact you should just head over to Best Buy or whatever RIGHT NOW and just do it then.`
`20:01.37`	`Wayhigh`	`during the week.. my wife doesn't like me messing with the landline that she uses for conference calls`
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`20:02.02`	`Wayhigh`	`can't say I blame her ya know.. :)`
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`20:02.08`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Wayhigh: And what does an ATA have to do with your land-line?`
`20:02.49`	`Wayhigh`	`well.. here's the thing.. I need the house phone connected to an fxs.. so I can put the landline on my tdm400`
`20:03.35`	`Wayhigh`	`that way you wont be able to tell much of a difference as long as you're dialing out`
`20:03.37`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Wayhigh: How does this not already interfere with her use of the line?`
`20:03.39`	`Wayhigh`	`for dialing in.. I'm going to make it time dependant`
`20:04.06`	`nix8n82`	`um can't you get an fxs modules for a tdm400?`
`20:04.28`	`Wayhigh`	`you can but it's hard to get them at 4pm on a sunday`
`20:04.39`	`Wayhigh`	`if I have to wait that's what I'll be getting I'm sure..`
`20:04.53`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Wayhigh: So again, why aren't you flying out the door as we speak to go shopping?`
`20:05.17`	`Wayhigh`	`waiting for my daughter to wake up.. she's been napping like 2.5 hours now`
`20:05.42`	`Wayhigh`	`I'm gonna go call around to the stores and find out what they have before I go over I think`
`20:07.07`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Wayhigh: and all this for a product you don't have great odds of getting working and wasting time trying?`
`20:08.43`	`Wayhigh`	`oh.. i'm not so worried about getting it working the way I want it to work.. if I find the right product`
`20:10.06`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Wayhigh: Where were you considering shopping for it?`
`20:10.17`	`jeev`	`fender, fender..`
`20:10.17`	`Wayhigh`	`I've heard the walmarts around may have wrtp54g's`
`20:10.19`	`jeev`	`my set up is FIN!`
`20:10.59`	`Wayhigh`	`other than that.. circuitcity, bestbuy, sears, costco.. whereever I can find the right product.. something I know will work`
`20:11.11`	`jeev`	`you gotta order the ATA online dood.`
`20:11.22`	`jeev`	`you wont find one at a store.`
`20:11.37`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Wayhigh: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp;jsessionid=1DLSHNHZPY0F1KC4D3IFAFI?_dyncharset=ISO-8859-1&id=pcat17071&type=page&st=vonage&sc=Global&cp=1&nrp=15&sp=&qp=&list=n&iht=y&usc=All+Categories&ks=960`
`20:11.53`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Wayhigh: Nothing that doesn't cost almost double that of a product we know works.`
`20:12.17`	`jeev`	`i got 3 ATA's, actually 4.. a vonage one too.. can't unlock any.`
`20:12.25`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`jeev: Follow the conversation. He's willing to waste trips & money on a potential dead-end to save "time".`
`20:12.40`	`jeev`	`Wayhigh, order one and pay for overnight shipping.`
`20:12.47`	`jeev`	`http://www.telephonydepot.com/product_p/105-054-pap.htm those are good, no?`
`20:13.58`	`Wayhigh`	`maybe I'll do that`
`20:14.10`	`jeev`	`man, i'm waiting for dslextreme to launch the 15mbit dsl to existing customers, so i can upgrade this office.`
`20:14.23`	`Wayhigh`	`I was hoping I could reach steve totaro.. he might have had an extra fxs module I could buy`
`20:15.05`	`Wayhigh`	`jeev: which ones do you have?`
`20:15.23`	`Wayhigh`	`have you tried unlocking them via the jtag method?`
`20:15.24`	`jeev`	`i got that one at home.`
`20:15.29`	`jeev`	`i'm not gonna bother jtag method man`
`20:15.31`	`jeev`	`are you kidding me/`
`20:15.44`	`jeev`	`it's not worth wasting hours doing some shit.. for a high chance for it to randomly provision itself again`
`20:16.08`	`jeev`	`there's this guy on dslreports who unlocks this one linksys vonage crap.. but he cahrges like 30 bux for it`
`20:16.10`	`jeev`	`he guarantees it..`
`20:16.20`	`Wayhigh`	`you guys see the sunrocket ATA being sold "New" on ebay?`
`20:16.23`	`jeev`	`but the other methods aren't that great. i got these primus's, haen't even tried.. and a sunrocket, headache.`
`20:16.34`	`jeev`	`Wayhigh, for f*cks sake. buy the linksys`
`20:17.02`	`jeev`	`[TK]D-Fender, now i know how you feel when i annoy you`
`20:17.12`	`Wayhigh`	`jeev: I'll probably do that.. but as long as I'm going to be probably ordering one.. I may as well buy the fxs module for my tdm400..`
`20:17.24`	`jeev`	`ok`
`20:17.30`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`jeev: You have no idea.`
`20:18.00`	`Wayhigh`	`Guess my nanny will have to go back to her softphone until it gets here.. she's gonna be pissed.. :)`
`20:18.58`	`jeev`	`[TK]D-Fender, speaking of annoying you, what could i read for temporarily enabling private calls? i got 81 and 82 down, where it alters the database, but temporary would be great.`
`20:19.18`	`jeev`	`Wayhigh, we'll continue being pissed at you until you show us naked visuals of your nanny. (if she's hot)`
`20:21.16`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`jeev: look at what makes what you're doing "permanent" and change it`
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`20:22.15`	`jeev`	`got something like this: exten => _1NXXNXXXXXX,1,Set(CIDBlock=${DB(CIDBlock/${CHANNEL:4:4})}), next line exten => _1NXXNXXXXXX,2,Set(${IF($[${CIDBlock} = 1]?CALLERID(name)=Unavailable:CALLERID(name)=testing)})`
`20:22.21`	`jeev`	`obviously the first one is when it's set as private.`
`20:22.39`	`jeev`	`i'm guessing i have to create something and just set it temporary`
`20:23.15`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`jeev: the difference would be that your exten could be looking to see if its supposed to be temporary and CLEARING the flag upon use.`
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`20:24.21`	`AYNUL-SEKS`	`hello`
`20:24.34`	`jeev`	`ok thanks fenderino`
`20:26.38`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`jeev: and herei's an idea for you . in your sip.conf entries for your phone add "SetVar=sipentry=1234" and you can do : exten => _1NXXNXXXXXX,1,Set(CIDBlock=${DB(CIDBlock/${sipentry})})`
`20:28.29`	`jeev`	`ah wow, that's custom caller id per user?`
`20:29.13`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`jeev: Well you could use it for that./ Its just how you can set channel vars based on the device placing the call for convenient things.`
`20:29.31`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`jeev: Could use for "typical" outbound CID settings, etc.`
`20:30.06`	`jeev`	`hmm`
`20:30.07`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`jeev: In this way just boiling down to a basic unique & identifiable varable you can use for your AstDB work, etc`
`20:30.42`	`jeev`	`exten => _1NXXNXXXXXX,3,Set(${IF($[${CIDBlock} = 1]?CALLERID(number)=0:CALLERID(number)=${sipentry})})`
`20:31.09`	`jeev`	`i like that!`
`20:31.10`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`jeev: ${CIDBlock} <-- what sets this,`
`20:31.19`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`jeev: close but not quite`
`20:31.31`	`jeev`	`exten => *81,1,Set(DB(CIDBlock/${CHANNEL:4:4})=1)`
`20:31.31`	`jeev`	`exten => *82,1,Set(DB(CIDBlock/${CHANNEL:4:4})=0)`
`20:31.51`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`jeev: Now you've over-associated a VARIABLE with a DB ENTRY`
`20:31.53`	`jeev`	`i've got to change them around though.`
`20:32.04`	`jeev`	`*82 is temporary.. right`
`20:32.22`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`jeev: nvm, I see where you set it earlier.`
`20:32.43`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`jeev: Work on it a bit and pastebini your "final" version`
`20:33.02`	`jeev`	`i will, i've got to find out again *67 and stuff like that, match it to telco crap... so it doesn't throw the people off.`
`20:33.36`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`jeev: Who is using this system?`
`20:33.47`	`jeev`	`friends office, ~30 people`
`20:34.12`	`jeev`	`mostly outgoing personal calls, they're paying ~1500/month.`
`20:34.31`	`jeev`	`for att to rip them a new one.. so i have two connections in there, will multiwan, data out one, voice out the better..`
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`20:35.22`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`jeev: Screw trying to match telco standards over-much`
`20:35.40`	`jeev`	`i guess 81 and 82 are ok..`
`20:35.56`	`jeev`	`what other features am i missing? i dont think they do anything`
`20:36.50`	`jeev`	`i ultimately need a good provider to hold my 800 numbers, with a control panel to pick where to send the calls to.`
`20:37.07`	`jeev`	`i dont want to have those on my termination provider... just want to keep it a bit redundant.`
`20:38.24`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`jeev: You're doing OK. keep the research up`
`20:38.56`	`jeev`	`i'll show you my config when i'm totally done, i think i've just got to finish voicemail.`
`20:39.15`	`jeev`	`i can't wait till i've got a lot of load on it.`
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`21:14.49`	`cyphase`	`if i want to run a pbx server at home, would trixbox be the best option?`
`21:17.17`	`mkillebrew`	`shrugs`
`21:18.14`	`cyphase`	`or rather, what would be the best option?`
`21:19.01`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`cyphase: Trixbox is a DISTRO. Everything depends on what you want to do.`
`21:19.24`	`cyphase`	`[TK]D-Fender: i know it's a distro`
`21:19.45`	`cyphase`	`[TK]D-Fender: i just want to play around with Asterisk`
`21:19.45`	`cyphase`	`no particular use right now`
`21:20.16`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`cyphase: To actually play around with * you'd have to actually install it. With Trixbox, YOU won't be playing around with *.`
`21:21.11`	`cyphase`	`[TK]D-Fender: i don't particularly want to have to edit config files`
`21:22.00`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`cyphase: The go try trixbox and see if you're happy with it.`
`21:22.17`	`cyphase`	`right..`
`21:25.22`	`pmhaddad`	`anyone here used elastix?`
`21:25.37`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`pmhaddad: Same shit, different smell`
`21:25.40`	`pmhaddad`	`i'm considering it for a medium sized call center`
`21:26.49`	`pmhaddad`	`[TK]D-Fender, i was just considering doing it all from scratch with custom AGI scripts etc, i don't really care for trixbox.`
`21:27.10`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`pmhaddad: They both use FreePBX, so whats the real difference?`
`21:27.31`	`pmhaddad`	`yeah, good point`
`21:27.40`	`pmhaddad`	`i didn't know elastix used freepbx`
`21:29.46`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`pmhaddad: http://www.elastix.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=category&sectionid=4&id=14&Itemid=36`
`21:29.56`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`pmhaddad: You mean this WASN'T a dead giveaway?`
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`21:30.38`	`pmhaddad`	`:S`
`21:31.05`	`pmhaddad`	`so there really isn't much difference eh`
`21:31.06`	`[netman]`	`I personally prefer elastix than trixbox`
`21:31.13`	`pmhaddad`	`they both even look like they use centos`
`21:31.20`	`pmhaddad`	`[netman], why is that?`
`21:31.43`	`[netman]`	`policy reasons`
`21:32.37`	`[netman]`	`trixbox is more restrictive than elastix, forces u to login in a external webpage to control ur server`
`21:32.43`	`[netman]`	`at least trixbox pro does`
`21:32.51`	`[netman]`	`I don't like that`
`21:33.08`	`jeev`	`Fender, ius that unmasking caller id thing only capable with flowroute? or anyone else..`
`21:33.43`	`pmhaddad`	`[netman], looks like elastix has the same set up`
`21:34.08`	`pmhaddad`	`and trixbox is served via a local webpage (you can make it external though, better htpasswd it up though)`
`21:34.27`	`[netman]`	`I don't have to do any login in a remote machine using elastix`
`21:34.35`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`jeev: thats just ONE guy that sends the info in the header. There are certainly others.`
`21:34.55`	`pmhaddad`	`i might just stick with a from the ground up approach here and do it all by hand`
`21:35.11`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`jeev: That stupid video HAS unfortunately resulted in more idiots coming here and hoping for the easyt way out and trying desperately to get things running`
`21:36.54`	`[netman]`	`and I don't know whether last trixbox integrates hylafax`
`21:37.10`	`[netman]`	`at least, elastix does already last year`
`21:37.39`	`jeev`	`ahh`
`21:38.13`	`jeev`	`Fender, uhhhhhh.. my friend tested his phone and i got all this stuff in the console. apparently if the phone doesn't have anything in the database for caller id block or not, it yells at you in the console`
`21:38.27`	`[netman]`	`last year I drop trixbox in favour elastix`
`21:38.29`	`jeev`	`so all phones will have to register 81 or 82 before their first call`
`21:42.24`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`jeev: Time to lean how to use variable properly :)`
`21:43.16`	`jeev`	`i got it i guess, i just need to set each phone before they call.. not a problem`
`21:43.22`	`jeev`	`i'm so anxious to test the caller id thing though :D`
`21:43.24`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`jeev: I can already tell you're getting "=" issues`
`21:43.36`	`jeev`	`how can i test to see if my provider sends the info in the header`
`21:43.41`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`jeev: No, its "fine", but an avoidable error.`
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`21:43.56`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`jeev>how can i test to see if my provider sends the info in the header <- LOOK AT THEM :p`
`21:44.23`	`jeev`	`bastage.`
`21:44.27`	`jeev`	`what am i looking for ?`
`21:44.47`	`jeev`	`[Aug 10 14:36:55] WARNING[58332]: ast_expr2.fl:407 ast_yyerror: ast_yyerror(): syntax error: syntax error, unexpected '=', expecting $end; Input:`
`21:44.48`	`jeev`	`by the way..`
`21:44.53`	`jeev`	`i knew it already but yes, it's = issues..`
`21:44.56`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`jeev: The headers on the incoming calls obviously :p`
`21:44.58`	`jeev`	`there is nothing to read from the database :D`
`21:45.13`	`jeev`	`so the headers of the incoming call will show a phone number? even if it's set to private/`
`21:45.23`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`jeev: for your "=" problem... the left side is BLANK. go fix that.`
`21:45.42`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`jeev: For the privacy un-block, that depends on your provider`
`21:46.06`	`jeev`	`i asked him if it's possible :D`
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`21:46.41`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`jeev: just LOOK`
`21:48.08`	`outtolunc`	`makes some popcorn`
`21:50.01`	`jeev`	`nope`
`21:50.04`	`jeev`	`it shows Unknown :/`
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`21:50.55`	`jeev`	`could it be garbled?`
`21:51.16`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`jeev: could be "completely not present"`
`21:51.44`	`jeev`	`ok, well, flowroute stable? should i use them as back up?`
`21:55.27`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`jeev: No advice on them`
`21:55.31`	`jeev`	`hmm`
`21:55.49`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`jeev: the ONLY selling point for these guys is that "hacker" video`
`21:56.22`	`jeev`	`they have great prices..`
`21:56.29`	`jeev`	`i wouldn't use them primarily.`
`21:56.43`	`jeev`	`do you have a gsuggestion for a company with a web interface to allow me to forward the toll free calls?`
`21:57.04`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`jeev: Nope.`
`21:57.36`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`jeev: What do you need a web interface for? A provider just passes you calls.`
`21:58.13`	`jeev`	`yea but what if my primary local provider is down and i need the toll free calls forwarded to another one ?`
`22:00.38`	`jeev`	`if my provider for xxx-xxx-xxxx is down...... i'm gonna need to forward the 800 numbers to another xxx-xxx-xxxx, no?`
`22:00.50`	`jeev`	`i'm not hosting the 800 numbers myself due to redundancy..`
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`22:11.52`	`jeev`	`teliax isn't working with asterisk..........................`
`22:12.25`	`jeev`	`it's not sending the DNID or whatever iti s.`
`22:12.52`	`drmessano`	`Others have used Teliax`
`22:12.54`	`drmessano`	`Check your config`
`22:13.20`	`jeev`	`hmm..`
`22:13.28`	`jaytee`	`and it's DNIS`
`22:13.29`	`jeev`	`[Aug 10 15:09:37] NOTICE[59870]: chan_sip.c:14035 handle_request_invite: Call from '' to extension 's' rejected because extension not found.`
`22:15.55`	`jeev`	`ahh ok, it's coming along.. some authentication issue but lemme see`
`22:16.01`	`prg3`	`With Queues, is there a way to specify a operator1, op2, op3, and always prefer to send calls to op1 if he is available?`
`22:16.28`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`jeev: Authentication? No, DIALPLAN`
`22:16.46`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`prg3: Give your members different priorities`
`22:17.09`	`jeev`	`it is set in my dialplan like everything else.`
`22:17.13`	`prg3`	`[TK]D-Fender: can that be done with dynamic agents?`
`22:17.24`	`jeev`	`[Aug 10 15:14:47] WARNING[59899]: chan_sip.c:8507 check_auth: username mismatch, have <teliax>, digest has <myuser>`
`22:17.33`	`jeev`	`i've obviously replaced myuser with my username..`
`22:17.39`	`prg3`	`times are always in seconds in asterisk?`
`22:17.47`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`prg3 : if you can set their priority (penalty is the proper term actually IIRC)`
`22:18.10`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`prg3: No`
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`22:19.02`	`prg3`	`[TK]D-Fender: Is there a default, or is it variable depending on files?`
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`22:19.55`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`prg3: what do you mean "default"? and what "times"? Your questions are entirely too vague`
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`22:20.26`	`prg3`	`sorry, specifically, what is the units of time in queues.conf, inside of a queue definition (wrapuptime and announce-frequency)`
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`22:21.53`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`prg3: Should be seconds`
`22:22.08`	`prg3`	`Are there places where it's mintes in any config file?`
`22:22.20`	`mvanbaak`	`not that I know`
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`22:23.39`	`jeev`	`Fender: http://da.pastebin.com/d68e25313`
`22:23.47`	`baliktad`	`what's the right way to add a SIP client to a queue? I am using member => SIP/205 in my queues.conf but show queues says "SIP/205 (Invalid) has taken no calls yet"`
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`22:26.19`	`prg3`	`mvanbaak: I just found one.. agents.conf wrapuptime is milliseconds..`
`22:26.29`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`baliktad: Is that device registered?`
`22:27.32`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`jeev: You clealy seem to be using an IAX config for SIP.`
`22:27.37`	`baliktad`	`it looks like it just fixed itself`
`22:27.41`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`jeev: trunk=yes <- this does not exist in SIP`
`22:28.17`	`baliktad`	`the device was registered but as soon as it re-registered it was fine`
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`22:35.32`	`mvanbaak`	`prg3: how is that 'minutes' ?`
`22:36.49`	`prg3`	`mvanbaak: not minutes, but not seconds.. sorry, I was wondering if there was anything that was non-seconds..`
`22:37.22`	`mvanbaak`	`now that's a different story eh ?`
`22:37.44`	`prg3`	`very true.. sorry, I'm concentrating on the files I'm playing with more then the chat :)`
`22:38.50`	`jeev`	`oh crap.`
`22:39.16`	`jeev`	`Fender, i'm still getting the same problem bud`
`22:39.27`	`drmessano`	`Shame there isn't a good book`
`22:39.50`	`jaytee`	`hehe`
`22:39.53`	`jeev`	`slaps drmessano.`
`22:40.00`	`jaytee`	`~book`
`22:40.01`	`jbot`	`Asterisk: The Future of Telephony 2nd Edition (ISBN 0-596-51048-9) --- Order yours at http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/9780596510480/ --- Free downloadable PDF http://downloads.oreilly.com/books/9780596510480.pdf --- HTML at http://tfot.leifmadsen.com, or see ~buybook`
`22:40.07`	`drmessano`	`Fender: Now what?`
`22:40.09`	`drmessano`	`Fender: Now what?`
`22:40.19`	`jaytee`	`Fender: Now what?`
`22:40.23`	`drmessano`	`Hey hey fender: I typed "a", now what?`
`22:40.25`	`mvanbaak`	`drmessano: there _IS_ a good book`
`22:40.37`	`jeev`	`Fender: Now what!!!`
`22:40.43`	`mvanbaak`	`you should know`
`22:40.57`	`jaytee`	`[TK]D-Fender, what does "baffled" mean?`
`22:41.03`	`drmessano`	`mvanbaak: Its called a "joke"`
`22:41.07`	`seanbright`	`baffled = confused`
`22:41.19`	`jaytee`	`thanks for clearing that up! :-)`
`22:41.32`	`drmessano`	`I think it would rock if O'Reilly had an asterisk book`
`22:41.33`	`drmessano`	`Like`
`22:41.41`	`drmessano`	`Asterisk: People are gonna be using this`
`22:41.42`	`drmessano`	`or`
`22:42.03`	`drmessano`	`Asterisk: Telephony of the Future`
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`22:42.26`	`jeev`	`there isn't documentation for this teliax crap!!`
`22:42.40`	`jaytee`	`or Asterisk: Everything I wanted to know about VOIP I learned from [TK]D-Fender in IRC`
`22:42.55`	`mvanbaak`	`gheh`
`22:43.01`	`mvanbaak`	`my cat just licked my nose`
`22:43.10`	`mkillebrew`	`they do that`
`22:43.10`	`jaytee`	`ooooh, sandpaper tongue`
`22:43.12`	`drmessano`	`jeev: Google is your friend`
`22:43.22`	`mvanbaak`	`so out of curiousity I thought, fuck it, let's lick back`
`22:43.24`	`jeev`	`google hates me, as much as you guys do`
`22:43.28`	`mvanbaak`	`damn she liked it`
`22:43.30`	`drmessano`	`Ah`
`22:43.33`	`drmessano`	`Google hates you`
`22:43.36`	`drmessano`	`Thats a new one`
`22:43.43`	`jaytee`	`http://www.justfuckinggoogleit.com/`
`22:44.17`	`mvanbaak`	`mouth full of cathair`
`22:44.23`	`drmessano`	`http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+Teliax`
`22:44.32`	`drmessano`	`Google hates me too.. Took me right to it`
`22:44.49`	`mvanbaak`	`use altavista`
`22:44.52`	`mvanbaak`	`it's way better`
`22:45.39`	`drmessano`	`Lycos: Love the dog`
`22:45.48`	`mvanbaak`	`I'm a cat person`
`22:46.05`	`drmessano`	`I love how honest people are about being googlelazy`
`22:46.08`	`jeev`	`drmessano, i did that, that's what's failing.`
`22:46.15`	`mvanbaak`	`I have two cats. Yola, who is 4 years old and Tekkel who is 5 months old`
`22:47.00`	`mvanbaak`	`we got Yola about 1.5 years ago, and Tekkel is with us for 3 months now`
`22:47.14`	`drmessano`	`"I just ate a big bag of marshmallows and my fingers are too fat to type G O O G L E. Can you help me?"`
`22:47.34`	`jaytee`	`I have 2 cats, George who is 12 and weighs 21lbs and Tasha who is 9 and weighs about 10lbs`
`22:47.39`	`mvanbaak`	`google is becoming worse every day`
`22:48.05`	`drmessano`	`Pound your gut on the keyboard and hit enter, Firefox will redirect you to a search page`
`22:48.24`	`mvanbaak`	`jaytee: and in my holidays residence there's a wild cat that we feed and hug etc whenever we are there`
`22:48.29`	`drmessano`	`Then copy and paste this, --> asterisk teliax`
`22:48.39`	`drmessano`	`helps where he can`
`22:48.41`	`mvanbaak`	`we took her to the petdoc and found out she's 18 years old`
`22:49.00`	`jeev`	`heh`
`22:49.11`	`mvanbaak`	`the cat can barely walk, barely see and barely hear`
`22:49.15`	`jaytee`	`mvanbaak, did you see that thing on TV about the couple that raised a lion from a cub and then released it back in Africa and then went back a few years later?`
`22:49.19`	`drmessano`	`jeev: Are you aussie?`
`22:49.23`	`jeev`	`never`
`22:49.37`	`drmessano`	`jeev: From the UK?`
`22:49.56`	`mvanbaak`	`<--- 100% dutch`
`22:50.12`	`jeev`	`LA FOR LIFE!`
`22:50.15`	`jeev`	`[Aug 10 15:48:08] NOTICE[60043]: chan_sip.c:14035 handle_request_invite: Call from 'teliax' to extension 's' rejected because extension not found.`
`22:50.29`	`jeev`	`i'm told teliax used to have a forward DNID or DNIS or whatever, i can't find it in the control panel.`
`22:50.37`	`prg3`	`Is there a easy way to use AddQueueMember like agents? AddQueueMember does things nicely, except no authentication.. I found a very non-trivial example (50 lines of dialplan..)`
`22:50.37`	`jeev`	`so apparently i have to accept from teliax since i only have one DID from them..`
`22:50.49`	`drmessano`	`I'm trying to pick out where he's from.. Either the aussie "Fuck it, mate" or Brit "Bollocks, this should work without me doing anything"`
`22:51.15`	`jeev`	`hahah`
`22:51.16`	`mvanbaak`	`or Dutch. dutch ppl are lazy you know`
`22:51.24`	`drmessano`	`If he was american, he would have threatened to kick my ass`
`22:51.43`	`drmessano`	`mvanbaak: I always thought the dutch liked to ask "Ok, so what does this have to do with a windmill?"`
`22:51.45`	`jaytee`	`his name shows up as "Kiss my ass"`
`22:52.09`	`mvanbaak`	`drmessano: whehehehehe. we always ask: "so, what's in it for me?"`
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`22:52.23`	`mvanbaak`	`Juggie: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!`
`22:52.24`	`mvanbaak`	`;)`
`22:52.37`	`drmessano`	`or "Lets get smashed and go pee on a windmill in our wooden shoes"`
`22:52.42`	`drmessano`	`I think that sums it up`
`22:53.01`	`jeev`	`drmessano, if i ever got drunk, i'd come and pee all over your face`
`22:53.11`	`mvanbaak`	`drmessano: more like: "fuck it! lets roll a joint, smoke it, and feel great for the rest of the day"`
`22:53.28`	`jaytee`	`ok, now I'm definitely moving there`
`22:53.40`	`mvanbaak`	`legal cannabis ftw !`
`22:54.36`	`jaytee`	`I saw a pic of some stuff called 510 Kush that was neon green and yellow in color.`
`22:54.41`	`jaytee`	`made my mouth water`
`22:54.52`	`mvanbaak`	`one of our local smartshops has a nice ivr. thanks to asterisk I dial their number, hit the # button and they bring me 25gram of good cannabis in an hour`
`22:55.04`	`jaytee`	`starts crying`
`22:55.56`	`mvanbaak`	`my asterisk takes care of navigating the menu, entering my creditcard number, my creditcard exp date, my creditcard security number, my customer number and delivery address`
`22:56.18`	`jaytee`	`wow! I guess the Dutch really are lazy :-)`
`22:56.25`	`jaytee`	`or clever`
`22:56.25`	`mvanbaak`	`uhhuh`
`22:56.28`	`jeev`	`i'm gonna rip my head off if i can't figure this out.`
`22:56.38`	`mvanbaak`	`jaytee: both I guess`
`22:56.44`	`hardwire`	`SIP REDIRECT is final, correct? Once you issue and a redirect is accepted for a remote IP gateway the PBX that handled the call initially will have no idea when it ends.`
`22:56.46`	`jaytee`	`good, post pics on Flicker`
`22:57.20`	`jeev`	`jaytee, i'll leave a note and said jaytee did it.`
`22:57.21`	`jeev`	`dont doubt me`
`22:58.52`	`drmessano`	`i told u i was hardcore`
`22:58.53`	`drmessano`	`do it`
`22:58.55`	`drmessano`	`do it NOW!`
`22:58.57`	`drmessano`	`RIP`
`22:59.15`	`drmessano`	`Show us you're not a wuss`
`23:00.08`	`jaytee`	`be back in a few`
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`23:09.28`	`jeev`	`drmessano. it's not working`
`23:11.53`	`jeev`	`crap, it was my context`
`23:12.26`	`jeev`	`i've yet to master include's.`
`23:13.03`	`drmessano`	`So I guess teliax does work with Asterisk`
`23:13.07`	`drmessano`	`O.o`
`23:14.53`	`jeev`	`wow`
`23:14.54`	`jeev`	`you suck.`
`23:15.23`	`drmessano`	`I do?`
`23:16.25`	`jeev`	`yea`
`23:16.30`	`jeev`	`i told you teliax works with asterisk, you said no.`
`23:17.19`	`drmessano`	`HA`
`23:18.16`	`jeev`	`told you`
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`23:19.02`	`drmessano`	`[18:07] <jeev> teliax isn't working with asterisk.......................... [18:08] <drmessano> Others have used Teliax [18:08] <drmessano> Check your config`
`23:19.10`	`drmessano`	`You're an idiot`
`23:19.31`	`jeev`	`no way`
`23:20.23`	`jeev`	`[18:09] <drmessano> teliax wont work with asterisk [18:09] <jeev> yes it will, stop hating. [18:10] <drmessano> i'm not a hater, i just dont know what i'm gonna do with myself, i like this guy.. you see`
`23:26.44`	`jaytee`	`so.....does Teliax work with Asterisk?`
`23:27.02`	`drmessano`	`No`
`23:27.58`	`jeev`	`see`
`23:29.24`	`jaytee`	`actually according to Voip-info.org it does`
`23:29.42`	`drmessano`	`jaytee: Of course it does`
`23:29.54`	`drmessano`	`jaytee: Also works for all the users using it`
`23:29.55`	`jaytee`	`but they just made a change that disallows passing of 800 number callerid's`
`23:30.14`	`drmessano`	`jaytee: But since jeev can't get it working, it must be that it doesn't work`
`23:30.20`	`jeev`	`it was my context!`
`23:30.33`	`jaytee`	`or lack of context :-)`
`23:31.44`	`MaliutaLap`	`jaytee: that's [lack_of] right? ;)`
`23:31.58`	`jaytee`	`hehe`
`23:32.32`	`jeev`	`heh`
`23:32.32`	`jaytee`	`it was probably trying to route his calls over his "SIP Trunk" :-)`
`23:32.38`	`MaliutaLap`	`when the dialplan is a barrel of laughs`
`23:32.43`	`jeev`	`are you guys asterisk users or comedians?!?!`
`23:32.58`	`jaytee`	`why do you think they call it "Comedian Mail"?`
`23:33.08`	`MaliutaLap`	`nice one`
`23:33.49`	`rob0`	`Does telskype work with Skype?`
`23:34.01`	`jaytee`	`nothing works with Skype except Skype`
`23:34.06`	`jeev`	`annnnnnyway, im switching routers to the new bsd 7 box with asterisk`
`23:34.09`	`jeev`	`bbiab`
`23:34.14`	`MaliutaLap`	`even skype doesn't work`
`23:34.23`	`rob0`	`(it was a joke)`
`23:34.43`	`MaliutaLap`	`I thought skype was the joke`
`23:36.36`	`drako`	`skype sound quality is great`
`23:36.48`	`drako`	`like 5 times better than asterisk`
`23:37.52`	`jaytee`	`5 times better? I doubt it`
`23:37.55`	`drako`	`well`
`23:37.56`	`drako`	`yes`
`23:37.58`	`drako`	`maybe more`
`23:38.00`	`jaytee`	`unless * is using Grandstreams`
`23:38.33`	`jaytee`	`or the ITSP you're using as a comparison sucks`
`23:39.34`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Asterisk doesn't HAVE a "sound quality"`
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`23:43.02`	`jeev`	`wow, switched out a bsd router, 6.2 using ipfw to pf in one shot, just plugged in and boom, god i'm sexy.`
`23:43.39`	`Dovid`	`I love idiots that set up Trixbox and dont put on any root passwords ;)`
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`23:48.20`	`jeev`	`i'm the ish`
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