| 00:00.09 | dlynes | metfan2007: why it's not loaded, is another issue |
| 00:00.45 | dlynes | metfan2007: either that, or you don't have it configured correctly, but i would suspect the former |
| 00:03.08 | metfan2007 | dlynes: doing a lsmod I can see the module driver loaded "zaptel 190852 3 wcte12xp" |
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| 00:03.52 | drmessano | RC1? |
| 00:04.01 | dlynes | metfan2007: have you done ztcfg -vvvvvvvvvvvvv yet? |
| 00:04.12 | drmessano | ~RC1 |
| 00:04.59 | seanbright | RC1 is release candidate 1 |
| 00:05.03 | metfan2007 | dlynes: yes, and I see the channelmap configured as zaptel.conf, and after that the error message |
| 00:05.21 | seanbright | that message brought to you by seanbright non-bot (tm) |
| 00:07.05 | jaytee | seanbright, methinks thy buttocks contain great wisdom |
| 00:07.28 | drmessano | Qwell: you around? |
| 00:08.01 | jaytee | he was here, he was gone, he was here and then gone again. now it looks like he's back but it could be an imposter |
| 00:09.29 | Qwell | nope |
| 00:09.33 | Qwell | oh, guess I am |
| 00:09.37 | drmessano | lol |
| 00:10.13 | drmessano | You told me that 1.6 SVN was more or less at RC1 stage, correct? |
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| 00:11.33 | jeev | Qwell, has the red bull made your blood sticky? |
| 00:11.43 | Qwell | no, I said that rc3 was in svn |
| 00:12.06 | philippel | Qwell do you think I need to ping Corydon76 on that bug or will he see it when he's back. From looking at it, sure looks like the patch I provided (or something that does the same thing correctly if I didnt' do it right) addresses the issue? |
| 00:12.17 | Qwell | philippel: don't know |
| 00:12.18 | metfan2007 | anyone else? I really need your help :S |
| 00:12.58 | drmessano | Qwell: Ok, maybe that was russell then |
| 00:19.11 | Qwell | why not just get the tag? |
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| 00:22.15 | metfan2007 | I get a new TE121 card, and I'm trying to make it works in a new server, but every time I try to start zaptel I get an "ZT_SPANCONFIG failed on span 1: Invalid argument (22)" |
| 00:22.32 | jaytee | metfan2007, are you running a T1 or E1? |
| 00:22.39 | ectospasm | metfan2007: any other zaptel adapters in the system? |
| 00:24.08 | metfan2007 | jaytee: E1, I'm using cas and hdb3 |
| 00:24.26 | metfan2007 | ectospasm: is the only zaptel adapter |
| 00:24.40 | ectospasm | could you pastebin your /etc/zaptel.conf? |
| 00:24.42 | jaytee | ok, sorry but E1 is something I deal with. |
| 00:25.01 | ectospasm | ...or have you already? |
| 00:25.05 | ectospasm | metfan2007: ^ |
| 00:25.51 | metfan2007 | ectopasm: http://pastebin.ca/1182065 |
| 00:26.03 | metfan2007 | jaytee: http://pastebin.ca/1182065 |
| 00:28.01 | ectospasm | hrmm... I'm not an E1 expert, and I've never seen the syntax you're using (:1101)... Looks like you haven't defined your D-channel (or E1 equivalent) |
| 00:28.58 | ectospasm | metfan2007: ^^^ |
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| 00:31.54 | ectospasm | metfan2007: now that I look at it, those cas= lines should probably be bchan=, and you'll still need a dchan, if I'm reading the sample file right |
| 00:32.11 | jaytee | ectospasm, looks that way to me too |
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| 00:32.38 | ectospasm | metfan2007: unless this is not PRI |
| 00:33.26 | metfan2007 | ectopasm: it is not necesary, I had configured a lot of E1 cards with R2, so that's is the problem, I now that zaptel.conf is Ok, what else can be? |
| 00:33.48 | ectospasm | so it's still giving you invalid argument? |
| 00:33.59 | metfan2007 | ectopasm: zaptel.conf is the same that I use with other Asterisk boxes.. |
| 00:34.23 | riddlebox | is there a way to "busy" a zaptel port until the lec can fix the line? |
| 00:34.56 | metfan2007 | ectopasm: the funny thing is that if I change zaptel.conf to PRI it works ok, maybe that driver does not suport CAS signaling? |
| 00:35.26 | ectospasm | it supports it, but you're dropping channel 16... why? |
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| 00:37.19 | CrashSys | Does IAX support a channel limit per peer? |
| 00:39.21 | metfan2007 | ectopasm: MFCR2 does not use chan 16 |
| 00:39.56 | ectospasm | Like I said, I know little to none about E1, just how to setup PRI on it. |
| 00:44.53 | jaytee | CrashSys, according to the book, no. IAX doesn't support limitonpeers. |
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| 00:50.10 | ectospasm | metfan2007: besides a configuration error in zaptel.conf, I'm not sure. What does "lsmod | grep zaptel" return? |
| 00:50.21 | moy | metfan2007: output of ls /proc/zaptel and cat of each file there |
| 00:53.19 | riddlebox | will asterisk automatically go to the next line, if it doesnt detect dialtone on one? |
| 00:53.47 | jblack | if a dialed call fails, asterisk will move to the next priority, yes. |
| 00:54.07 | jblack | actually, if a call is anything but ANSWERED, it will go on. |
| 00:54.13 | ManxPower | riddlebox: no! Asterisk does not detect dialtone |
| 00:54.33 | riddlebox | ManxPower, ok, so I will have to move that line until the lec can fix it |
| 00:54.37 | ManxPower | On FXO ports Asterisk blind dials after it goes off hook |
| 00:56.03 | riddlebox | ManxPower, and Zap2-1 means it is using the second card, port 1 right? |
| 01:01.41 | ectospasm | riddlebox: Zap/2 means the second Zap channel, -1 means the first call on that channel |
| 01:01.56 | riddlebox | ectospasm, after I said it I knew I was wrong |
| 01:02.18 | riddlebox | I am just wondering why its picking line two to go out everytime |
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| 01:11.01 | ectospasm | riddlebox: depends on how you have it configured. |
| 01:11.05 | ectospasm | I gotta go, cy'all l8r! |
| 01:11.21 | riddlebox | ectospasm, I think I may have a bad port on zap1 |
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| 01:24.06 | ManxPower | riddlebox: no |
| 01:24.18 | ManxPower | Zap/2-1 is Zap port 2, call instance 1 |
| 01:24.48 | ManxPower | you never ever ever specify the -1 or -2 or whatever, it is not part of the channel name |
| 01:24.49 | riddlebox | ManxPower, yeah I figured it as soon as I said it |
| 01:26.00 | ManxPower | OT: Can anyone recommend whole disk encryption software (from a non-USA based company would be best)? /msg me. |
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| 01:27.27 | florz | dmcrypt? |
| 01:28.09 | ManxPower | Now I'm guilty of being vague. 8-) Need it for WinXP/Vista |
| 01:28.22 | ManxPower | Vista support is not critical |
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| 01:29.11 | florz | *g* - well, not exactly my area of expertise, but from what I hear, truecrypt may be what you are looking for? |
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| 01:33.25 | ManxPower | yeah, that. |
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| 02:00.10 | hoegaatit | I installed asterisk-addons and am attempting to use mysql for real time extensions |
| 02:00.17 | hoegaatit | I'm getting the error: Realtime mapping for 'extensions' found to engine 'mysql', but the engine is not available |
| 02:01.04 | hoegaatit | does this mean the module res_config_mysql.so was not loaded happily? |
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| 02:08.07 | Sargun | it is |
| 02:08.32 | jameswf-home | hit the ball hug... hit the ball hug... |
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| 02:37.30 | Johnakabean | anyone know where to get some good asterisk scripts from? |
| 02:38.25 | Qwell | scripts for what? |
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| 02:53.17 | BugKhaM | what does the RED alarm for PRI card in /proc/zaptel/* indicate? |
| 02:55.31 | [netman] | physical layer failure |
| 02:55.54 | jeev | qwell |
| 02:56.06 | Qwell | jeev |
| 02:56.11 | BugKhaM | [netman]: chan_zap.c:10495 setup_zap: Unable to register channel '17-31' |
| 02:56.31 | BugKhaM | [netman]: 1-15 was okay, does this make sense? |
| 02:56.56 | [netman] | bad cable could be an explanation |
| 02:58.08 | Qwell | bad cable wouldn't explain half the channels working |
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| 03:04.29 | Qwell | jeev: yes? |
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| 03:10.50 | hoegaatit | trying to get odbc+asterisk working--what does this error mean? Data source name not found, and no default driver specified |
| 03:12.06 | Qwell | hoegaatit: you need to configure unixODBC itself |
| 03:12.15 | jeev | pump the jam up man |
| 03:14.09 | hoegaatit | qwell: hm, all tests of odbc itself came out ok |
| 03:14.22 | hoegaatit | I'm trying pure pgsql now in my extconfig and it's not complaining |
| 03:14.28 | Qwell | did you tell asterisk to use the DSN? res_odbc.conf or something |
| 03:14.35 | hoegaatit | yup |
| 03:15.02 | Qwell | and res_config_odbc is pointing to the right entry in res_odbc.conf? |
| 03:15.18 | Qwell | it's been a while since I've done realtime.. |
| 03:15.40 | hoegaatit | res_config_odbc == ? |
| 03:15.47 | Qwell | umm |
| 03:15.52 | Qwell | good question |
| 03:15.53 | hoegaatit | there is only res_odbc.conf |
| 03:15.55 | hoegaatit | right |
| 03:15.57 | Qwell | extconfig? |
| 03:16.01 | Qwell | extconfig.conf |
| 03:16.16 | hoegaatit | I believe extconfig has to reference a database |
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| 03:16.35 | hoegaatit | so my dsn is asterisk-connector and my db name is asterisk |
| 03:17.02 | BugKhaM | my error is "Span 1: WCT1/0 "Digium Wildcard TE110P T1/E1 Card 0" HDB3/CCS/CRC4 RED" |
| 03:17.12 | hoegaatit | extconfig has 'asterisk' |
| 03:17.26 | hoegaatit | I'll see if pure pgsql is really working, then worry about odbc |
| 03:17.42 | BugKhaM | is it caused by the provider or the TE110P card? |
| 03:17.49 | Johnakabean | hey qwell, scripts for asterisk to enable call routing based on caller id |
| 03:17.52 | hoegaatit | I'd like to switch to mysql later if possible--couldn't get it working directly with these asterisk/asterisk-addons versions |
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| 03:24.53 | Nugget | ew, why would anyone switch *to* mysql? :) |
| 03:25.42 | Johnakabean | Nugget I have no problem with myql since version 2 |
| 03:26.36 | Nugget | mysql is a very poor database. |
| 03:26.44 | Nugget | there are better, free-er options. |
| 03:26.59 | drmessano | Whoa |
| 03:27.06 | drmessano | better is one thing |
| 03:27.36 | drmessano | "free-er" sounds like trollbait because of the availability of non-free versions |
| 03:27.46 | drmessano | Lets be neutral here |
| 03:28.10 | Nugget | I am being neutral. there are databases which have less restrictive licenses than mysql. |
| 03:28.18 | Nugget | ergo, they are free-er. |
| 03:28.42 | Johnakabean | nugget there are good linux applications and poorly configured ones. If it doesn't fall in one, it falls in the other category - check your config and overheads. |
| 03:28.42 | drmessano | Restrictive? What does that matter to the end user? |
| 03:29.10 | Nugget | I don't see your point. |
| 03:29.35 | Johnakabean | You guys might want to install zend optimizer to help speed up your mysql to php processing. |
| 03:30.29 | Nugget | has no php processing. |
| 03:30.58 | hoegaatit | well mysql versus postgres I think mysql is generally more reliable |
| 03:31.09 | Nugget | how do you figure? |
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| 03:32.19 | Nugget | data consistency is part of reliability, and mysql lags years behind postgresql in that area. |
| 03:34.27 | bbryant | Nugget, is there something I can look up to learn more about that? |
| 03:34.47 | drmessano | 1. More applications work on MySQL than Postgres, and (B) it sounds more like myspace than postgres does.. |
| 03:34.54 | Nugget | heh. |
| 03:34.55 | drmessano | So, Postgres = fail |
| 03:35.41 | file | blinks |
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| 03:37.24 | Nugget | http://sql-info.de/en/mysql/gotchas.html#1_14 :) |
| 03:38.36 | Nugget | generally speaking, mysql has a design "feature" where it will happily, silently accept garbage data or out-of-range data and not warn you. |
| 03:38.49 | Nugget | so you can't ever trust that what is in the database is what you think is in the database. |
| 03:39.11 | Nugget | you can insert the value "12345.67" into a field which is only "numeric 2,2" and mysql will just change it to fit |
| 03:39.19 | Nugget | this is the totally wrong behavior for a database |
| 03:39.45 | Nugget | it's comically bad. beyond parody. |
| 03:39.45 | drmessano | This is for 4.1 anyway.. old |
| 03:40.05 | Nugget | the majority of these issues persist in 5.1, or are minimally not fixed by default in 5.1 |
| 03:40.08 | [TK]D-Fender | Nugget: You see MySQL is built according to FCC regulations. Oh no, not that it operates under tight constraints... its that it must be willing and happy to accept any interference sent its way ;) |
| 03:40.44 | drmessano | Well, Asterisk still contains many of the issues present in 1.0beta3 |
| 03:40.46 | [TK]D-Fender | Nugget: And besides who wants an app telling them that they are a bad person? |
| 03:40.53 | Nugget | some of them require a global "strict" setting to be set at the host level, which breaks all sorts of legacy code, so shared hosting providers never turn it on |
| 03:42.23 | Nugget | sort of like the bad old days of php when you wanted to disable php's register_global stuff but you couldn't because everything broke when you did. |
| 03:43.20 | Nugget | or the gotchas can only be avoided with specific storage types, so you can't fix it if you want to keep using innodb. |
| 03:43.51 | ManxPower | You can either validate the data before writing to the database (MySQL) or the DB server can reject the data, either way you have to code for it in your app. |
| 03:44.08 | Nugget | and fundamentally it's sobering to ponder a database that was intentionally designed to invisibly mangle user data |
| 03:44.33 | Nugget | the former approach is bad design. |
| 03:44.52 | ManxPower | Nugget: It has really never occurred to me that I would not validate the data before sending it to the DB |
| 03:45.17 | Nugget | because it's short-sighted to assume that "your app" is going to be a single, atomic piece of code, all in the same language, under the same development perview. |
| 03:45.42 | [TK]D-Fender | ManxPower: Yes, you should validate your own code, but that isn't an excuse. |
| 03:45.51 | drmessano | I noticed Postgres 8.3.3 came out on 6/9/08 |
| 03:45.52 | Nugget | even if your code is 100% bug free, a year down the road your boss is going to outsource some goofy utility to be written in java by some firm in bangalor |
| 03:45.57 | ManxPower | Nugget: I agree the DB should validate data. I just don't think it's the end of the world if it doesn't and you know that ahead of time. |
| 03:46.02 | Nugget | and they're not going to use your validation code |
| 03:46.09 | drmessano | I guess postgres has some bugs too since they keep releasing updates :) |
| 03:46.55 | Nugget | or AJAX is going to force you to create a slightly different point of entry into the database and if the database can't do the validation you're going to have to re-implement all the validation checks. |
| 03:47.17 | drmessano | OMG, sanitizing your database inputs.. who needs that |
| 03:47.23 | Nugget | and even if all that goes perfectly, if the database isn't enforcing integrity they you're just one typo at a "mysql" prompt away from hosing everything and maybe not noticing. |
| 03:48.05 | Nugget | field integer(2), an existing row has a value of maxint (99) |
| 03:48.08 | Nugget | "100" won't fit |
| 03:48.24 | [TK]D-Fender | drmessano: http://xkcd.com/327/ |
| 03:48.26 | [TK]D-Fender | *classic* |
| 03:48.28 | Nugget | six months later you innocently have to run a "update table set field = field + 1" to correct some offset issue. |
| 03:48.37 | Nugget | in mysql you'll never know that the 99 value stayed at 99. |
| 03:49.19 | Nugget | I am not making the argument that data validation is unnecessary, that's an unfair retort. |
| 03:49.29 | Nugget | I'm saying that unless the database is doing it, you're not really doing it. |
| 03:49.42 | Nugget | there are countless reasons to also perform those checks at the application layer |
| 03:51.01 | drmessano | Damn straight |
| 03:51.06 | drmessano | Little bobby tables |
| 03:51.11 | ManxPower | I am considering Postgress actually. I need a backend for CDRs to generate reports for management. Sending all the CDRs to a DB seems like the easiest thing to do. We don't bill for calls, so |
| 03:51.53 | Nugget | I have really appreciated using postgresql for my cdr logging. it's great to be able to use triggers to make it feasible to have multiple asterisk servers logging to the same table. |
| 03:52.32 | Nugget | I have to correct time zone issues (one server is in EST5EDT and one is in CST6CDT and asterisk sends un-scoped localtime to the cdr table) |
| 03:52.46 | Nugget | and I have to mangle the uniqueid so that they're truly unique |
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| 03:53.03 | Nugget | and I pull in related data from other tables all as part of the insert. |
| 03:55.18 | Nugget | I'm also storing voicemail in postgresql so that both servers can seamlessly use the same voicemail stuff |
| 03:59.32 | [TK]D-Fender | Postrgres is also the closest in compatibility to DB2 and ANSI standards. Good for cross-platform coding. |
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| 04:13.57 | robba | Hi Guys |
| 04:14.17 | robba | havin a few issues tryin to get a b410p card to work |
| 04:14.25 | robba | any suggestions |
| 04:14.37 | drmessano | Yeah |
| 04:14.50 | robba | i have read in a few places that the b410p doesn't like the newer kernels |
| 04:14.58 | drmessano | Try mentioning what the problem is, or pay for us to buy a psychic |
| 04:15.30 | robba | well after running misdn-init start the lights on the card just flash red |
| 04:22.42 | jblack | The isdn stuff uses zaptel, no? |
| 04:23.57 | jblack | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:33.33 | jmardonesk | hi all |
| 04:33.47 | jakyll | Hello the great wise sage's of VoIP! |
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| 04:34.15 | jblack | here we go. |
| 04:34.58 | jakyll | May I ask a Noob question regarding an X100P card and Trixbox Pro? My card is detected, but it's confuguration is never written. |
| 04:35.09 | jblack | No, you may not. |
| 04:35.22 | jakyll | it says it's been detected and then nothing happens |
| 04:35.44 | [TK]D-Fender | ~trixbox |
| 04:35.45 | jbot | extra, extra, read all about it, trixbox is a full linux distro that includes FreePBX and other 3rd party add-ons. It is all this extra stuff which makes trixbox VERY difficult to support, and is not supported in #asterisk. Try asking in #trixbox or on their forums & wiki at http://www.trixbox.org/. We do not recommend using it. |
| 04:36.40 | jblack | why did you bother asking for permission to do something, if you weren't going to obey the answer? |
| 04:36.48 | jakyll | I just read the jbot message and since I am starting out i have no quams about using something different - what would you recommend? |
| 04:37.01 | jblack | For you, trixbox. |
| 04:37.08 | [TK]D-Fender | jakyll: Asterisk, configured by YOU |
| 04:37.18 | jakyll | oh and jblack - suck it... you're one of those IRC guys who just sits there and complains about new users right? |
| 04:37.43 | jblack | About 1/3 the time. I spend more time helping than hurting. |
| 04:37.43 | [TK]D-Fender | Cool it, both of you. |
| 04:37.43 | jakyll | So one would recommend just getting Asterisk plain and configuring it up? I was starting to suspect that |
| 04:37.57 | [TK]D-Fender | jajkwe hide it in the big print |
| 04:38.55 | jblack | It depends upon my first impression of someone. If they show a proclivity to not listen to answers, I try and get them to go away, in hopes of saving on my asprin budget. |
| 04:39.03 | jakyll | I started with Trix because it seemed easy, but I've hit the ceiling of it's usefullness to me.... I have 14 tennants, and want to offer them phone service for free - so I see now that building a fresh Asterisk box is the way to go. |
| 04:39.33 | jblack | Sometimes first impressions are wrong. |
| 04:39.35 | jblack | ~book |
| 04:39.36 | jbot | Asterisk: The Future of Telephony 2nd Edition (ISBN 0-596-51048-9) --- Order yours at http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/9780596510480/ --- Free downloadable PDF http://downloads.oreilly.com/books/9780596510480.pdf --- HTML at http://tfot.leifmadsen.com, or see ~buybook |
| 04:39.43 | jakyll | jblack - :) all good :) I'm the same way - I'm a jerk for just bouncing into a channel as a stranger and asking a question - i know that. |
| 04:40.06 | jblack | It's "asking to ask, then blowing off the answer" that got you on my dark side. But let's start fresh. |
| 04:40.15 | jakyll | LOLOLOLOLOLOL |
| 04:40.16 | jmardonesk | I have a little problem when i make an Zap call, look at the http://pastebin.com/d5efdb1dd . I have an sourvey system, when I make the call and the user answer and press 1, I get "Sent into invalid extension". Any ideas? |
| 04:40.19 | jakyll | i know what you mean |
| 04:40.27 | jblack | Anyways, Start off with that pdf there; it's the full book. Particularly chapters 5-...8 I think it is |
| 04:40.51 | jakyll | Hey can I ask you a question? "no." What flavour is that coffee? "/// why did you ask if you could ask???" |
| 04:41.23 | jblack | Since you have an already working config of a bastardized asterisk, you can follow along with what trix setup with the book. |
| 04:41.23 | jblack | The part of "May I ask a Noob question regarding..." |
| 04:41.29 | jakyll | yeah I have Vonage, voicenetwork.ca and PTSN lines going now so for me that was the hard part |
| 04:41.34 | *** join/#asterisk lmadsen (n=Leif@asterisk/documenteur-extraordinaire/blitzrage) |
| 04:41.34 | *** mode/#asterisk [+o lmadsen] by ChanServ |
| 04:42.08 | jakyll | I liek Trixbox for it's ease of use for a non techie,but I've hit the ceiling... |
| 04:42.29 | jakyll | would one recommend AsteriskNow, or just asterisk |
| 04:42.31 | jblack | You're not going to want to use the configs as made by trix. you just want to understand them in relation to the book as referenced. |
| 04:42.52 | jblack | Then keep a copy of them to replicate waht you like as you build configs from scratch, snagging what you like. |
| 04:43.25 | jblack | Dude? Why do you insist on going into ford asking if they think you should buy a chevy? |
| 04:43.41 | jblack | Let's take that back a notch. |
| 04:43.51 | [TK]D-Fender | jmardonesk: looks wierd. do "dialplan show encuesta1_1" and PB it |
| 04:44.08 | jblack | There's a pile of pbx toolkits out there, one of which is asterisk, many of which are forks of asterisk. |
| 04:44.15 | jakyll | yeah take it back a notch - we're all driving asterisks... just some of us are using AM/FM and others using Sirius or XM |
| 04:44.16 | jakyll | :) |
| 04:44.49 | jakyll | I have the book will read it tomorrow..... |
| 04:45.08 | [TK]D-Fender | jakyll: lets simplfy this : FUCK GUI's. Vonage = kiddie crap, and the X100P is not a production-worthy piece of equipment and not even particularly good as a paper-weight |
| 04:45.12 | jakyll | jblack - where on the planet are you from? just curious |
| 04:45.29 | jblack | why are you curious? |
| 04:45.55 | jakyll | Fender - I got the x100p because it was damn near free on ebay - just some piece of crap to play with.... now that I am getting serious it's a joke |
| 04:45.56 | jblack | it seems odd to me to have a stranger ask my birthplace. |
| 04:46.00 | jmardonesk | [TK]D-Fender, http://pastebin.com/d41a0f038 ( you helpme a lot of time dude, I very apreciate that, thanks ) |
| 04:46.18 | jakyll | I work for a global ice cream company, and I am considering taking us to VoIP. |
| 04:46.36 | jakyll | so thats why my "play" is becoming serious |
| 04:46.36 | jblack | And you'll sell it for damn near free too. There's only 10 x100ps in the world, cycling through ebay... |
| 04:47.01 | jakyll | nah.. selling crap on ebay is a waste of time... ill toss the card. |
| 04:47.22 | jblack | great. contribute to the extinction of a endangered species. |
| 04:47.32 | jblack | Why don't you shove it down the throat of a bald eagle while you're at it. =) |
| 04:47.47 | jakyll | I'm Canadian, so I will consider it ;-) |
| 04:47.56 | [TK]D-Fender | jakyll: Ok, that should have answered every key question on what we advise in 1 shot. Get along quietly before the rest of the pack eats you aline ;) |
| 04:48.01 | jblack | x100p's are like fruitcake. They can be neither created nor destroyed, just passed around. |
| 04:48.05 | jakyll | lol |
| 04:48.18 | [TK]D-Fender | alive* |
| 04:48.21 | jakyll | X100P Serial Number 2. |
| 04:48.26 | jakyll | (joke) |
| 04:48.37 | jblack | Tell ya what.... |
| 04:48.44 | jakyll | listening my friend |
| 04:49.03 | jblack | Read over the book quickly today and tomorrow, and if you like, I'll do a serious sitdown with ya. |
| 04:49.21 | jakyll | LOL I guess if I mention that I setup my first Asterisk box on a Shuttle PC someone will be dispatched to slap me with a dead carp? |
| 04:49.22 | jblack | Go over what you have, where you want to go, things you should look at and avoid. |
| 04:49.46 | jblack | Your first trixbox, or your first asterisk box? |
| 04:49.51 | [TK]D-Fender | jmardonesk: tell you what, make exten => 100,9, a NoOp instead and see if that Set gotr parsed wrong somehow. |
| 04:49.56 | jakyll | Thanks JB i really do appreciate that - and I promise I won't wast your time with shit I can google myself. |
| 04:50.08 | jblack | Oh don't mind if you hit me with stuff on google. |
| 04:50.13 | jakyll | I tried asterisk about a year ago - this shuttle is my first trix pro |
| 04:50.14 | jblack | Just try and have through out questions is all I ask |
| 04:50.42 | jblack | So, asterisk, took too much time to get right with the time you had, went to trix, and it worked well enough up till now? |
| 04:50.44 | jakyll | I liked asteriskNow better, but now that I understand shit, I am quite happy to VI extensions.conf , etc |
| 04:51.19 | jblack | You'll almost certainly be happier in the long run with straight, vanilla asterisk. |
| 04:51.23 | jakyll | I VI'd my asterisk.conf from my iPhone and got wood..... my wife had no clue why i was so happy |
| 04:51.42 | jblack | I hope you're talking about golfing |
| 04:52.11 | jakyll | Yes - not real wood..... just that it was amazing that all things IP have no need for BELL |
| 04:52.28 | jblack | Your local telco, I presume. |
| 04:52.35 | jblack | Yeah. There's no need for them these days. |
| 04:52.36 | jakyll | Bell Canada, yes |
| 04:53.07 | jakyll | they rape you and then send you a bill, with an extra charge if you cried. |
| 04:53.31 | jblack | cleaning saltwater from the carpets isn't cheap |
| 04:53.47 | [TK]D-Fender | jakyll: Plenty of alternatives, afar cheaper. |
| 04:53.49 | jblack | Anywhoot... |
| 04:53.50 | jakyll | I'm guessing you're an american then :) |
| 04:53.58 | jblack | Me? |
| 04:54.16 | jblack | just on paper. |
| 04:54.20 | jakyll | yeah voicenetowrk.ca sells DID's for $3.50 a month... so I purchases 5 of them to play with |
| 04:54.46 | jakyll | i hope that didn't sound like spam... just vonage charges like 13 for a did |
| 04:54.53 | jblack | so anyways, thought I was gonna pull down a new * contract last night. Had someone eating out of my hand. |
| 04:55.09 | [TK]D-Fender | jakyll: les.net or unlimitel, better options |
| 04:55.12 | [TK]D-Fender | ~itsplist-ca |
| 04:55.13 | jbot | [~itsplist-ca] Here are some popular ITSPs (Canada) starting with the more respected ones : http://www.unlimitel.com , http://www.les.net , http://www.babytel.ca |
| 04:55.17 | jblack | Oh please not les.net |
| 04:55.50 | vonkleist | Hi everybody... |
| 04:56.00 | vonkleist | It seems I'm almost there, with this mfc/r2 |
| 04:56.03 | [TK]D-Fender | jblack: What, just because you're feeling jilted? The rest of their clientele here is plenty happy |
| 04:56.06 | vonkleist | check at this: http://gera.pastebin.ca/1182193 |
| 04:56.30 | jblack | it's a flimsy argument, but it's mine. |
| 04:56.55 | *** join/#asterisk jpastore (n=jpastore@69.65.65.40) |
| 04:57.09 | *** join/#asterisk MrNaz (n=naz@ppp121-44-245-95.lns4.mel4.internode.on.net) |
| 04:57.16 | [TK]D-Fender | jblack: You're welcome to it :) |
| 04:57.24 | vonkleist | JT, any clue on this? http://gera.pastebin.ca/1182193 |
| 04:59.20 | vonkleist | jaytee? |
| 04:59.23 | vonkleist | moy? |
| 04:59.42 | jblack | # |
| 04:59.43 | jblack | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:59.47 | jblack | There's your problem. |
| 05:00.02 | jblack | I don't think 9XXXXXXXXXX is a valid phone system in any country code in the planet |
| 05:00.43 | jblack | Look for a Dial(9XXXXXXXX) in your dialplan. You probably meant ${EXTEN} or ${EXTEN}:1 |
| 05:00.59 | [TK]D-Fender | jblack: .... |
| 05:01.08 | [TK]D-Fender | seriously. |
| 05:01.11 | [TK]D-Fender | jeez |
| 05:01.45 | jblack | Oh geeze. |
| 05:01.57 | jblack | turns deep pink |
| 05:02.22 | *** join/#asterisk drmessano (n=nonya@c-76-125-26-150.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) |
| 05:03.15 | jblack | Seriously, though, 901 614 247 9297 looks like a rather large number to me. |
| 05:04.05 | vonkleist | jblack, hehe |
| 05:04.06 | jblack | vonkleist: Did you meant to dial 1 614 247 9297 ? if so, trim up your exten |
| 05:04.13 | vonkleist | incoming calls are working |
| 05:04.30 | vonkleist | no, i need to put 016142479727 on the cable |
| 05:04.38 | jblack | Then trim off the 9 |
| 05:04.44 | jblack | ${EXTEN}:1 |
| 05:04.48 | jblack | Because you're sending the 9 too |
| 05:05.06 | vonkleist | oh |
| 05:05.07 | vonkleist | I see |
| 05:05.08 | Qwell | :1] |
| 05:05.09 | Qwell | :1} |
| 05:05.23 | jblack | Yeah. ${EXTEN:1} |
| 05:05.29 | jblack | clearly, I'm getting tired |
| 05:06.03 | vonkleist | GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 05:06.14 | vonkleist | everything's working now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 05:06.34 | jblack | I'll take that as punishment for lending a hand. |
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| 05:09.03 | *** mode/#asterisk [+o codefreeze] by ChanServ |
| 05:12.11 | *** join/#asterisk jjg (n=jjg@76.21.4.40) |
| 05:12.44 | jjg | hi all, i've been using veronix for activex sip calling with IE, but am looking for a way to do web-based sip calling with firefox ... anybody know of a solution? |
| 05:12.45 | jblack | vonkleist: Is your business on a river? |
| 05:13.56 | vonkleist | jblack, ¿¿¿??? |
| 05:14.12 | vonkleist | jblack, why r u asking? |
| 05:14.12 | jblack | Where you work. Is it on a river? |
| 05:14.30 | vonkleist | nop |
| 05:14.45 | vonkleist | jblack, why r u asking? |
| 05:14.46 | jblack | Thanks |
| 05:14.56 | jblack | I was checking the accuracy of something |
| 05:15.08 | vonkleist | of what? |
| 05:15.21 | jblack | sure you want to know? |
| 05:15.31 | vonkleist | not sure, but yes, i want to know |
| 05:15.40 | jblack | http://www.whitepages.com/10583/search/ReversePhone?full_phone=6142479727&localtime=survey |
| 05:16.11 | vonkleist | jblack, hahahaha |
| 05:16.33 | vonkleist | may be I could be on a river, if I just live on the USA... |
| 05:16.34 | vonkleist | :P |
| 05:16.44 | vonkleist | But I don't |
| 05:16.46 | vonkleist | :P |
| 05:16.49 | jblack | Oh, that's a canadian number? |
| 05:17.01 | jblack | No, we share the same namespace for numbers |
| 05:17.36 | *** join/#asterisk xenonex (n=xenonex@89.218.236.51) |
| 05:18.29 | vonkleist | really, I can't believe it's working now... |
| 05:18.34 | vonkleist | thank you very much |
| 05:18.50 | vonkleist | I'm going to sleep now |
| 05:18.55 | jblack | you can tip me one dollar in your local currency via paypal if you want. |
| 05:20.19 | vonkleist | sure! just tell me what your paypal account is |
| 05:20.26 | jblack | jblack@merconline.com |
| 05:21.30 | [TK]D-Fender | ok, checkout time. later all |
| 05:21.41 | jblack | sleep well |
| 05:22.45 | *** part/#asterisk jjg (n=jjg@76.21.4.40) |
| 05:25.03 | jblack | drat. It converted it into USD |
| 05:28.07 | robba | dang b410p |
| 05:28.20 | robba | ok heres what i have so far |
| 05:29.02 | robba | i have freshly installed zaptel (because of the ztdummy driver) the beronet misdn pack and asterisk |
| 05:29.34 | robba | using misdn-init scan detects the card |
| 05:29.56 | robba | then using misdn-init config writes the configuration file |
| 05:30.29 | robba | then misdn-init start just makes the leds on the card flash red |
| 05:30.47 | robba | has anyone got any clues as to what maybe wrong? |
| 05:31.09 | jblack | You tried getting help for this a few hours ago. No one around willing to take a shot at it then either? |
| 05:31.24 | robba | no i started playing |
| 05:31.43 | robba | i'm guessing the b410p isn't a popular card |
| 05:31.47 | jblack | I don't know anything about misdn. |
| 05:32.44 | jblack | but it sounds to me like you haven't set up a protocol or signalling or something right, and the card is signalling some sort of error. |
| 05:32.55 | jblack | perhaps /var/log has something |
| 05:36.38 | robba | yeah theres nothing in there |
| 05:39.03 | robba | the server was originally running trixbox |
| 05:39.38 | robba | and it worked fine with that |
| 05:40.12 | drmessano | Sounds like you don't have some dependencies met |
| 05:40.18 | drmessano | Do you have the mISDN drivers? |
| 05:42.03 | robba | i just tried make b410p from zaptel and it didn't throw any errord |
| 05:42.11 | drmessano | http://www.misdn.org/index.php/FAQ |
| 05:43.20 | robba | but now when i do misdn-init start it says " Register_layer: register_sysfs failed -17 st" |
| 05:43.24 | andrewn | ~itsplist-ca advertises les.net? ick |
| 05:43.30 | andrewn | they were total garbage last i checked |
| 05:43.41 | drmessano | les.net works great |
| 05:43.41 | andrewn | i think they were the ones that assigned my DID to some pizza company |
| 05:43.52 | andrewn | (after more than ayear of it being mine) |
| 05:43.53 | drmessano | Yeah, they killed someones cat too |
| 05:44.22 | drmessano | Did you lose it August of last year? |
| 05:44.51 | andrewn | before that i think |
| 05:45.02 | andrewn | maybe 2006 |
| 05:45.25 | jblack | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqi0DwNLJdM |
| 05:45.53 | jblack | drmessano: Hah! You're outnumbered, 'cause tk went to bed. ;) |
| 05:46.45 | drmessano | jblack: You should know me better than that. If I have had ZERO problems with something, and 100 other people have, they're just 'dumbass end users' |
| 05:46.48 | drmessano | ;) |
| 05:47.03 | jblack | That's some feminine logic, dat. |
| 05:47.17 | drmessano | No, it's egomaniacal logic |
| 05:47.20 | andrewn | any company that has a year in their title scares me |
| 05:47.35 | jblack | 20th century fox count? |
| 05:47.38 | drmessano | A year? |
| 05:47.51 | andrewn | les.net (1996) inc. |
| 05:47.53 | andrewn | lol |
| 05:47.54 | andrewn | lame |
| 05:48.44 | jblack | andrewn: i have teliax, callwithus, voipstreet and diamondcard |
| 05:48.59 | andrewn | haven't tried those..except for maby teliax |
| 05:49.13 | drmessano | I'm gonna guess you let the number lapse and it got reassigned, based on your nonsensical comment about the year supposedly being in their name.. |
| 05:49.30 | andrewn | i've been pretty happy with vitelity.net, even though they merged with some company i didn't like before |
| 05:49.32 | drmessano | You actually do sound like a clueless end user :( |
| 05:49.52 | andrewn | lol |
| 05:49.55 | andrewn | you are ignorant |
| 05:50.00 | drmessano | Thank you |
| 05:50.27 | andrewn | definitely didn't let the number lapse...it was still showing as mine in their control panel |
| 05:50.32 | drmessano | You let your number lapse and get bought by a pizza company. Not sure what that says..... |
| 05:50.38 | jblack | in andrewn's support, their dns registry entry is "LES.NET (1996) INC." |
| 05:50.48 | andrewn | their website displays that too |
| 05:50.50 | jblack | Oh, the lapse. |
| 05:51.17 | drmessano | Not sure why the year is even relevant |
| 05:51.40 | jblack | I agree with drmessano. If carrying over all of $4.00 a month in fees is something you can't handle well, well.... |
| 05:51.41 | drmessano | "They suck because they're a .net.. only .com's rule" |
| 05:51.45 | drmessano | That's about the same |
| 05:52.22 | jblack | I'd make the "their website sucks" argument, but.... heh all of 'em do. |
| 05:53.00 | drmessano | jblack: Complain that they don't use fixed width fonts.. that's always a keeper |
| 05:53.40 | jblack | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:53.48 | jblack | Nice to see verizon being the bitch for a change |
| 05:53.52 | drmessano | Oh oh |
| 05:54.06 | drmessano | The items in the navbar are not evenly spaced |
| 05:54.07 | drmessano | and.. |
| 05:54.12 | *** join/#asterisk io_error (n=error@unaffiliated/ioerror/x-384576) |
| 05:54.26 | drmessano | Their H.323 support is lacking |
| 05:54.29 | drmessano | YES! |
| 05:54.37 | io_error | ~centos52bug |
| 05:54.38 | jbot | [~centos52bug] There is a bug compiling Zaptel up to 1.4.11/1.2.26 on CentOS/RHEL 5.2: error in xpp/xdefs.h. Workaround: uncheck "xpp" (Astribank) driver in menuselect. Fixed in SVN. Patches: http://bugs.digium.com/12889, or trouble compiling x86_64 packages? Report a bug to CentOS! ".i386 packages should not satisfy dependencies for .x86_64 packages." |
| 05:54.56 | jblack | Oh come on. we're not talking about subtle cosmetic issues here. We're talking about pretty serious navigation problems at times. |
| 05:55.30 | jblack | I'm not talking about les.net, specifically. All the sites have the same problem. |
| 05:55.34 | drmessano | I know.. I wasn't referring to the websites being shitty as baseless... just helping andrewn with a few more reasons to hate LES.net |
| 05:55.39 | io_error | I just got a fax machine today, plugged it in, and IT WORKS! |
| 05:55.51 | andrewn | i don't need any more reasons |
| 05:55.54 | jblack | io_error: Nice |
| 05:55.54 | drmessano | Like the fact the website is predominantly orange |
| 05:55.57 | andrewn | poor service is enough |
| 05:55.59 | drmessano | That's a good argument |
| 05:56.09 | io_error | I didn't even have to change anything. |
| 05:56.28 | io_error | So I'm quite happy :) |
| 05:56.38 | drmessano | Yes, LES.net does suck at holding my hand over not letting my number lapse |
| 05:56.39 | io_error | What's wrong with orange? |
| 05:56.51 | drmessano | "Are you sure?" |
| 05:56.56 | drmessano | "Allow/Deny" |
| 05:57.05 | drmessano | Thank god for vista |
| 05:57.21 | andrewn | my number hadn't lapsed...but whatever, sounds like you work for them |
| 05:57.35 | drmessano | No, I am a fanboi.. close, but not quite |
| 05:58.16 | drmessano | If I was an employee I would be all diplomatic at laughing at you.. as a fanboi, I am free to do so without restriction. |
| 05:58.35 | drmessano | Employees have no such luxury :( |
| 05:59.26 | drmessano | swigs an Elsinore beer and plays with the dialtone on his canuck ITSP |
| 05:59.56 | drmessano | Oh, Canada.. You give me dialtooone |
| 06:00.26 | denon | funny, most ITSPs just give signalling and RTP .. |
| 06:00.33 | denon | but in canada, they actually audio couple the tone? |
| 06:00.40 | drmessano | Yes |
| 06:00.43 | denon | figures :) |
| 06:00.44 | drmessano | Old School |
| 06:00.54 | denon | just like the rcmp and horses |
| 06:01.00 | io_error | Next you'll be telling us you still use rotary phones |
| 06:01.03 | drmessano | and back bacon |
| 06:01.09 | denon | io_error: you dont? |
| 06:01.14 | drmessano | I love rotary |
| 06:01.19 | drmessano | Fuck DTMF |
| 06:01.19 | io_error | denon: Not until my IAXy gets here |
| 06:01.42 | denon | rotary was kinda fun .. I enjoyed dialing with the hangup switch |
| 06:01.50 | denon | kind of a skill there |
| 06:01.51 | jblack | Rotary does rock when you bump into a phone with no dialpad. |
| 06:01.53 | io_error | Oh, that trick still works. |
| 06:01.55 | drmessano | You know why I love rotary> |
| 06:01.56 | jblack | Just flash your way to a free call |
| 06:01.58 | io_error | jblack: Like in jail? |
| 06:02.11 | jblack | and cheap mexican restaurants |
| 06:02.26 | drmessano | "If you are calling from a rotary phone, please stay on the line and an operator will assist you shortly" |
| 06:02.32 | drmessano | Rotary = IVR Hell Free |
| 06:02.45 | denon | nobody actually has those options anymore. . |
| 06:02.52 | drmessano | Damnit, I do |
| 06:02.53 | denon | I just repeatedly say "Representive" |
| 06:02.56 | io_error | drmessano: My experience has been more of: If you are calling from a rotary phone, goodbye, you Luddite. <click> |
| 06:03.02 | denon | "Representative" |
| 06:03.03 | denon | whnatever |
| 06:03.40 | drmessano | Old rotary Western Electric wall mount phones are the coolest shit ever |
| 06:03.53 | io_error | I gotta get me one of those. |
| 06:04.09 | drmessano | Didnt Qwell put an IAXY in one? |
| 06:04.12 | drmessano | Or someone.. |
| 06:04.15 | Qwell | yes |
| 06:04.16 | io_error | Somebody did, yes |
| 06:04.18 | drmessano | Yeah |
| 06:04.22 | Qwell | bright orange |
| 06:04.29 | drmessano | Best... phones.. ever |
| 06:04.55 | io_error | They don't make 'em like they used to. |
| 06:05.16 | denon | back in the day when you rented your phone |
| 06:05.18 | denon | there was quality |
| 06:05.23 | jblack | YOu can usually fall through a phone system just by pressing nothing. |
| 06:05.24 | drmessano | If you're on the phone, and someone hassles you, beat the shit of the them with the handset.. then keep talking, knowing you just helped loosen the carbon in the mic a little |
| 06:05.28 | denon | none of this $3 stuff from walmart with a disney character on it |
| 06:06.01 | io_error | drmessano: usually the person hassling me is on the other end of the phone line! |
| 06:06.03 | jblack | you got something against pink phones? |
| 06:06.12 | denon | yes, yes I do |
| 06:06.24 | jblack | That's fine. Disney will sell you a powder blue phone too |
| 06:06.25 | drmessano | You know a modern phones weighs as much as the MIC ELEMENT in a western electric handset? |
| 06:06.27 | drmessano | That blows |
| 06:06.32 | Qwell | denon: the funny thing is... |
| 06:06.36 | Qwell | I paid $3 for my phone |
| 06:06.45 | io_error | drmessano: And a modern phone sounds like utter crap. |
| 06:06.46 | denon | drmessano: of course, a modern phone also does HD audio .. |
| 06:06.48 | drmessano | I got a WE desk phone from Goodwill for $2 |
| 06:06.49 | denon | and those .. well .. |
| 06:06.51 | Qwell | found it in a consignment shop |
| 06:07.23 | jblack | speaking of quality. The polycom 330, my first, doesn't have quite as many nifty feature buttons as I'd like, but the call quality is outstanding. |
| 06:07.28 | drmessano | I wonder how one of those would sound on an ATA with G722 |
| 06:07.34 | drmessano | I bet it would rock |
| 06:07.44 | denon | wish i could find some ciscos in a consignment shop |
| 06:07.52 | jblack | people can hear me far when I'm on the phone |
| 06:08.00 | jblack | fart, that is. =) |
| 06:08.39 | jblack | Which, I guess goes to prove, that sound quality may actually reduce call quality. |
| 06:08.52 | drmessano | Nothing like ambient noise |
| 06:09.40 | jblack | "Huh? No. That was my dog" "You don't have a dog". "Of course. Actually, it's my leather coat." "It's august". "Pet frog?" "You hate amphibians" ...... |
| 06:10.08 | denon | "It's this stupid new version of my IM client" |
| 06:10.19 | jblack | "Look, you want my money or not, you ugly, cheating Ho?" |
| 06:10.32 | drmessano | denon: Sounds like a Yahoo IM feature |
| 06:10.36 | drmessano | Farts and smileys |
| 06:11.06 | jblack | some day, when IM goes all voice, you can bet there will be a thbtthbtthbt sound button |
| 06:11.10 | drmessano | Even AIM is less cheesy |
| 06:11.31 | drmessano | Is AIM doing two-way SIP calling yet? |
| 06:12.00 | jblack | No way they'd do sip. They'd invent a new protocol. |
| 06:12.19 | denon | they're already doing sip |
| 06:12.25 | drmessano | Ah yes |
| 06:12.30 | drmessano | As of June |
| 06:12.35 | jblack | They're using something NIH ? |
| 06:12.45 | drmessano | yeah, AOL is going open protocol |
| 06:12.49 | drmessano | XMPP / SIP |
| 06:13.21 | jblack | The AOL? |
| 06:13.40 | drmessano | http://voice.aol.com/ |
| 06:13.40 | denon | http://journals.aol.com/opensip/aol-open-voice-platform/entries/2008/05/14/aim-call-out-supports-sip-trunking-also-using-open-sip-stacks./2081 |
| 06:14.10 | drmessano | They have the XMPP gateway as well (experimental) and are working on XMPP for next gen AIM |
| 06:14.29 | drmessano | I found a post for calling IN too, but the LGN |
| 06:14.44 | drmessano | http://journals.aol.com/opensip/aol-open-voice-platform/entries/2008/06/04/aim-phoneline-supports-free-inbound-phone-calls-to-any-sip-device-/2418 |
| 06:16.26 | drmessano | Hmm |
| 06:16.54 | drmessano | According to the article, I can enable registration and I guess get sip calls at sip://screenname@aol.com |
| 06:17.14 | drmessano | Maybe I need to config a softphone and give it a shot |
| 06:18.08 | denon | drmessano: I still don't get the point though .. |
| 06:18.12 | denon | the LD isn't that cheap |
| 06:18.29 | denon | and inbound .. it's just another fwd |
| 06:18.59 | denon | though, they probably have better sip servers than most itsps |
| 06:19.15 | denon | aol doesn't really do anything on a small scale |
| 06:19.20 | drmessano | It's another FWD that's free |
| 06:19.29 | denon | yeah, there is that |
| 06:19.38 | drmessano | Since FWD went bye bye |
| 06:19.46 | denon | not like anyone used it |
| 06:19.49 | drmessano | and it's free calls from AIM voice clients, ala NOT SKYPE |
| 06:20.20 | denon | yeah, but why not just use any old sip client then? |
| 06:20.39 | drmessano | you're missing the point |
| 06:20.42 | denon | clealry |
| 06:20.44 | denon | clearly |
| 06:20.53 | denon | so it's a directory .. yay |
| 06:21.00 | denon | where's the beef |
| 06:21.05 | drmessano | Just like the GTalk Jingle support, it's reaching another subset of users that arent SIP geeks |
| 06:21.23 | drmessano | Not everyone has a SIP phone |
| 06:21.29 | drmessano | I know most people dont get that |
| 06:21.30 | denon | if skype offered a sip gateway .. that I'd get |
| 06:21.44 | denon | but aol has no voice userbase |
| 06:22.02 | drmessano | How so? |
| 06:22.14 | denon | are people using aol for voice? |
| 06:22.20 | denon | I mean, besides people screwin around with a headset |
| 06:22.32 | drmessano | I'd say no less than Yahoo or MSN |
| 06:22.35 | denon | saying "hey cool, we can talk on the computer" |
| 06:22.40 | denon | right, but Im saying people use none of em |
| 06:22.54 | denon | its either skype or a hardware voip company |
| 06:22.56 | denon | or cell |
| 06:23.13 | drmessano | You're seriously undervaluing the use of Voice in IM clients for more than "Hey, this works.. BYE" |
| 06:23.45 | denon | I spose. . |
| 06:23.50 | denon | I just can't imagine using it |
| 06:23.55 | denon | sure, it's a neat directory service .. |
| 06:24.03 | denon | but if the business world cant use it 24x7, I just dont see it |
| 06:24.37 | jblack | Get free conference calling into the mix, and every 14 year old in the country will use it |
| 06:24.47 | drmessano | Well, up until a few years ago, I used to tool around all corners of the internet, and you would be shocked how much Yahoo voice, MSN voice, and AIM voice are being used.. People actually seriously rely on it. |
| 06:25.03 | denon | huh.. |
| 06:25.11 | denon | "hello? hello? can you hear me?" |
| 06:25.17 | drmessano | Dude |
| 06:25.21 | drmessano | Are you serious? |
| 06:25.33 | denon | only half .. |
| 06:25.39 | drmessano | I used to talk to people all over the world on dialup with Yahoo IM 7 years ago |
| 06:25.59 | drmessano | That was 7 years ago.. and it's only gotten better |
| 06:26.09 | denon | I spose |
| 06:26.26 | denon | I just see people with their virus-infected, spyware-ridden workstations .. |
| 06:26.33 | drmessano | I used to have weekly voice conferences on Yahoo Voice for my IRC ops in a channel I ran |
| 06:26.35 | denon | and I wonder how you'd ever trust it to a phone call |
| 06:26.38 | drmessano | and mostly dialup at the time |
| 06:26.51 | denon | I really dislike voice on PCs .. |
| 06:27.11 | drmessano | Grantid, but it's silly to ignore that userbase... expecting everyone to have a SIP phone is silly |
| 06:27.13 | denon | CPU hog, unpredictable, etc |
| 06:27.25 | drmessano | Not true |
| 06:27.28 | denon | well .. I dont really expect everyone to have a sip phone |
| 06:27.34 | jblack | denon: Have you not noticed how many web cams are being sold these days? |
| 06:27.43 | denon | don't say not true .. I just got done with a user today that's having huge issues with a soft client |
| 06:27.50 | jblack | Did you think they were just used to make youtube videos? They're used for video chat. |
| 06:27.51 | drmessano | Yahoo voice on a 500MHZ K6-2 |
| 06:27.55 | denon | they cant work and talk at the same time, cpu issues |
| 06:27.59 | denon | on a 2.4ghz machine |
| 06:28.10 | denon | every time they do something, they have voice issues .. |
| 06:28.16 | denon | and we've gotta get a hard phone out to em |
| 06:28.16 | jblack | denon: Did you ever consider that you may only see a computer by the time it's hosed up? |
| 06:28.21 | drmessano | They have a shitty PC problem then |
| 06:28.37 | denon | jblack: nah, I know this user .. |
| 06:29.10 | jblack | Oh, ok. That's a great sampling size to infer how all the computers work. silly me |
| 06:29.11 | denon | I mean, I know it works well just to sit there and talk on an old pc .. |
| 06:29.20 | drmessano | I have a friend who is right now using X-Lite on a 700MHZ duron with 256MB ram on XP SP2 and it works great |
| 06:29.42 | denon | drmessano: running photoshop, a dozen browsers and 3ds? |
| 06:29.59 | drmessano | denon: I'm sorry, but that's fucking lame |
| 06:30.31 | denon | ok.. |
| 06:30.41 | drmessano | denon: Having CPU and memory intense apps like PHOTOSHOP open and telling me their Voice client is choppy because voice clients suck? |
| 06:30.43 | drmessano | Weak |
| 06:30.48 | denon | but a $100 hard phone will work perfect |
| 06:31.02 | denon | Im saying shared CPU sucks |
| 06:31.02 | drmessano | heh ok |
| 06:31.04 | denon | soft client in general |
| 06:31.18 | drmessano | So what you are saying is |
| 06:31.26 | denon | if PC hardware would dedicate some resources to voice and video .. then I'd be all for it |
| 06:31.44 | denon | or even at kernel level or whatever .. but I really think it should be asics/dsps/etc |
| 06:31.45 | drmessano | Software performs badly when run with a bunch of other software on a machine that is eating up lots of ram and CPUs |
| 06:31.58 | drmessano | How.. fascinating |
| 06:32.01 | denon | drmessano: I'm saying CPU timeslicing is to blame .. |
| 06:32.05 | denon | all users do work on their computers |
| 06:32.39 | drmessano | Your argument about how voice clients suck, etc.. based on running apps that are maxing out system resources is just nonsensical |
| 06:32.57 | denon | why don't you run X on your asterisk box? |
| 06:33.10 | denon | because you want it dedicated to asterisk, right? |
| 06:33.15 | drmessano | Doesnt that support MY argument? |
| 06:33.17 | denon | that's why I dont want users running on my phones |
| 06:33.37 | denon | I want it dedicated to phone .. and leave the computer to doing work that's not realtime |
| 06:33.52 | drmessano | "Dont do other stuff if you want other stuff to work ok" <--- basis of all multitasking on every PC ever |
| 06:33.58 | jblack | denon: This is more about how things actually are, now about what you think would work |
| 06:34.32 | denon | drmessano: sure, very few things on a computer are realtime .. but phone is always realtime |
| 06:34.37 | denon | you can't predict when a callwill come in |
| 06:34.52 | denon | hence you never want to jeopardize call quality |
| 06:34.54 | jaytee | load chan_psychic.so |
| 06:35.02 | denon | and I dont see a clear way to do that on a shared processor |
| 06:35.13 | denon | without proper cpu scheduling at the very lowest levels |
| 06:35.32 | drmessano | I have run voice apps with lots of open applications before with no problems.. it sounds to me liek you're dealing with situations where the workstations were underpowered to begin with.. |
| 06:35.35 | drmessano | Still doesnt hold water |
| 06:35.41 | denon | and even then .. the odds that the user may do something to crash stuff .. again, why affect the call |
| 06:36.12 | jeev | whw |
| 06:36.14 | jeev | wow are you crazy |
| 06:36.22 | denon | drmessano: say it's a guy who does video editing all day .. you give him a quad xeon .. he's running renders at 100%, since that's what he does .. you suggest he pauses them for a phone call? |
| 06:36.24 | drmessano | You're gonna tell me that I can run Yahoo IM on a K6-2 500MHZ box on dialup, yet I try the same scenario on a 3GHZ machine with a ton of RAM, and it's gonna be shitty and choppy? |
| 06:36.25 | drmessano | WTF? |
| 06:37.09 | denon | I'm just saying people are *working* on their computers, and it shouldn't affect voice quality if they do |
| 06:37.37 | denon | throwing more power at it may minimize the problem, but it's all percentages .. |
| 06:37.46 | denon | there's no magic number where you have more cpu than you'll use |
| 06:37.50 | jblack | denon: It doesn't. Windows has a realtime priority. |
| 06:37.53 | denon | doesn't matter of it's 3mhz or 3thz |
| 06:38.01 | io_error | I'm not crazy/stupid enough to take a phone call on a render farm. |
| 06:38.03 | drmessano | denon: Thats such a dumbass argument.. You have gone from "Voice clients suck" to "If I run a high end video editing workstation, a voice client sucks because it wont work with it maxed out doing editing".... No, that and ANY OTHER apps should not be running on that machine.. thats a unitasker |
| 06:38.22 | drmessano | Outlook shouldnt be running |
| 06:38.24 | jblack | I'm no fan of the platform, but I used to use voip all the time when playing RTS games. And voip is _very_ popular with games like warcraft |
| 06:38.26 | drmessano | Nor should any IM client |
| 06:38.33 | drmessano | or browsers |
| 06:38.45 | denon | drmessano: there's no harm in running stuff during a render .. it's not realtime |
| 06:38.46 | jaytee | and he's saying if the hardware is good enough it shouldn't be an issue but if someone actually needs to run a quad xeon at 100% utilization then let that be a dedicated box for just that task and give them a second computer with a softphone or just give them a damn hardphone. |
| 06:38.52 | denon | everything you mentioned can wait for the next |
| 06:39.57 | denon | shrugs, I'm not trying to start a war here .. |
| 06:40.22 | denon | I'm just saying that it's been our experience that hard phones are more reliable than soft .. and tend to have less user headaches and call issues |
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| 06:40.36 | denon | heck, they're even easier to deploy in most cases |
| 06:40.37 | drmessano | denon: That's just a stupid use of resources.. you buy a machine and expect it to handle all basic office tasks, AND perform video editing.. and then say the voice client is going to suck on it. Yeah, there should be a machine for nothing but video editing so the resources are being used sensibly, and another office machine with Outlook, Browsing, and potentially a voice client on it |
| 06:41.33 | drmessano | Have you ever run Outlook with a 2GB PST file? |
| 06:41.39 | drmessano | It's not gonna work well at all in your scenario |
| 06:41.46 | drmessano | So I guess Outlook sucks too in that regard |
| 06:41.49 | jblack | Hard phones have great uses. You can save power by shutting down desktop when not in use. Hard phones don't make a whole lot of sense with laptops, and don't work as well for concepts like teamspeak and ventrilo. |
| 06:41.52 | io_error | No, I try to get people off of Outbreak before that happens. |
| 06:41.54 | drmessano | Oh, and firefox hogs memory.. it sucks too |
| 06:42.06 | denon | drmessano: honestly, have you ever seen a CPU spike affect call quality on a soft phone? |
| 06:42.18 | denon | if you say no, I know you're lying :) |
| 06:42.31 | drmessano | denon: I have seen a CPU spike affect quality of everything on a workstation.. which is why your argument is lame |
| 06:42.46 | denon | yes, but voice matters.. |
| 06:42.48 | drmessano | If you are maxing out CPU that much, you're doing it wrong |
| 06:42.48 | denon | nothing else does |
| 06:42.49 | jblack | denon: I'm sorry guy, but you're just really off base here. |
| 06:43.17 | denon | if you have to wait 3 seconds for a web image to load .. no big deal |
| 06:43.20 | jblack | The world isn't working the way you think it does any more. |
| 06:43.21 | denon | 3 seconds of lag in voice is huge |
| 06:43.36 | drmessano | Yahoo voice sucks because if I am using 4GB ram and 99% CPU on my workstation editing a video, the sound gets choppy |
| 06:43.38 | drmessano | Yep.. Got ya |
| 06:43.44 | drmessano | I'll make a note |
| 06:43.53 | jblack | Again, I don't like the platform, but windows, the most common platform out there, has realtime, has QoS, and Just Works. |
| 06:44.08 | denon | whatever |
| 06:44.10 | io_error | jblack: Bah, except when it doesn't. |
| 06:44.11 | denon | it really doesn't matter |
| 06:44.16 | drmessano | HA |
| 06:44.29 | jblack | Oh, the OS as a whole is a disaster. Sure. The voip aspects of it just work. |
| 06:44.37 | denon | just tell me why any company has hard phones anymore ... |
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| 06:44.50 | jblack | denon: Honestly? Intertia |
| 06:44.54 | jaytee | I've run softphones at work and on Core 2 Duos in the 2.4ghz or higher range running Outlook and several other apps with it haven't had any issues. On some older P4 single core systems I've noticed some degradation. Kinda like jitter where you lose part of a sylable or a slightly longer gap but no dropped calls. |
| 06:45.09 | drmessano | Yeah.. If it takes 45 seconds for outlook to fetch 3 messages on the exchange server down the hall becuase the CPU is maxed out editing a video, on an underpowered workstation, who cares... Have you EVER dealt with end users? |
| 06:45.21 | denon | jaytee: you shouldn't, send drmessano your specs, if it's anuything above 500mhz, he'll make it work |
| 06:45.28 | io_error | I won't use a softphone unless I'm on the road on my laptop. And even then I just prefer to forward calls to my cell phone instead. |
| 06:45.50 | jblack | play more WoW |
| 06:46.01 | io_error | Well, if you have an Exchange server, you've got bigger problems. |
| 06:46.06 | jaytee | io_error, that's how my friend uses his |
| 06:46.30 | drmessano | io_error: Get real |
| 06:47.16 | jaytee | everyone hates Exchange, that must explain why it has such a low market share in Fortune 500 companies (smirk, snicker) |
| 06:47.31 | jblack | I've met few that don't hate it. |
| 06:47.32 | drmessano | io_error: It's all fun and haha M$ sucks in IRC fantasyland, but people actually rely on Exchange/Outlook and WANT IT, not Thunderbird and Dovecot |
| 06:47.50 | jblack | A loose summary of opinions I've met is "necessary evil" |
| 06:47.52 | io_error | drmessano: There's no accounting for taste, I guess. :) |
| 06:48.08 | drmessano | drmessano: Its called exiting in the real world with real software |
| 06:48.10 | drmessano | err |
| 06:48.12 | drmessano | yeah me too |
| 06:48.26 | jblack | great. you made him schizo. |
| 06:48.27 | drmessano | existing |
| 06:48.29 | drmessano | lol |
| 06:48.43 | io_error | Now if Exchange weren't such a godawful bloated crashy file corrupting piece of crap... |
| 06:48.46 | jaytee | my * system at work doesn't use Comedian Mail because 1) our executives don't have a sense of humor and 2) we use Exchange Unified Messaging for voicemail. Works awesome. |
| 06:48.56 | drmessano | Drives me nuts.. I am not the biggest fan of Exchange either, but if you leave your basement, you'll see people use it |
| 06:49.13 | io_error | drmessano: I see people use it all the time. |
| 06:49.23 | io_error | Or, at least, attempt to. |
| 06:49.28 | drmessano | ZOMG 2009 is the year of Linux <--- No, not really |
| 06:50.17 | drmessano | I just find it incredibly funny that saying an app performs bad with a maxed out machine is some base for writing it off |
| 06:50.40 | jaytee | with the prevailing attitudes in the linux user community and all their preferential biases linux will never gain a dominant market share on the desktop. Anyone who thinks so is smoking something funny. |
| 06:50.40 | io_error | Wait, Exchange or a softphone? |
| 06:50.50 | drmessano | I used to build high end audio editors for broadcast use |
| 06:51.03 | drmessano | I wouldnt even install office on them.. webmail only |
| 06:51.32 | drmessano | and fought tooth and nail to keep any other apps off of them other than the core editing apps |
| 06:51.40 | drmessano | Even with overspecing them |
| 06:52.01 | jaytee | drmessano, I've had to do the same at work for graphics workstations. |
| 06:52.06 | io_error | Oh come on, you have to let Solitaire and Minesweeper on. :) |
| 06:52.18 | drmessano | If I opened NOTEPAD and it was slow, I didnt bitch that notepad was a bloated piece of shit |
| 06:52.23 | drmessano | Because.. I have sense |
| 06:52.46 | io_error | Notepad has kind of gotten bloated in Vista... |
| 06:52.48 | denon | drmessano: I'm not saying the soft phone itself is crappy, I'm saying it's not reasonable to assume the user will never overtax their cpu during a call |
| 06:53.16 | jblack | denon: You're familiar with realtime scheduling? |
| 06:53.20 | denon | Please quit saying I have no sense. I run dedicated hardware for realtime applications |
| 06:53.40 | denon | jblack: of course. and yes, I realize how it should all work in theory. |
| 06:53.40 | drmessano | I didnt realize that on a windows system, the app that yells the loudest always gets more CPU |
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| 06:54.24 | jaytee | denon, sure if they're stupid and trying to play WoW or Halo while talking on the softphone maybe with 8 browser tabs open and several other production apps that are running but not being used because the user is a slacker frigtard. |
| 06:54.25 | jblack | this isn't going anywhere |
| 06:54.54 | denon | obviously |
| 06:54.55 | drmessano | jblack: I think there's something wrong with your IRC client |
| 06:55.13 | jaytee | jblack, kinda like the Hurd kernel? |
| 06:55.13 | jblack | what's that? |
| 06:55.17 | drmessano | jblack: i was just looking at porn, and it took 3 seconds for the line you typed to load on my screen |
| 06:55.27 | denon | moving on. |
| 06:55.31 | drmessano | IRC sucks |
| 06:55.46 | jblack | how is the hurd not coming along? |
| 06:55.51 | drmessano | I better get an IRC terminal |
| 06:55.56 | denon | drmessano: moving on. |
| 06:56.00 | jaytee | are you running it? know anyone who is? |
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| 06:56.16 | jblack | Me? No. Last I looked at them, they still hadn't gotten past the 1 gig filesystem limit |
| 06:56.27 | jaytee | exactly |
| 06:56.28 | drmessano | denon: Actually, I wasnt planning on moving on |
| 06:56.39 | obnauticus | drmessano < |
| 06:56.40 | obnauticus | 3 |
| 06:56.42 | drmessano | denon: But feel free too |
| 06:56.46 | jblack | which looks like they're stil ldealing with. They're still at 0.2 according to the page |
| 06:56.52 | denon | I plan to, I'm heading to bed |
| 06:57.43 | drmessano | I was going to go to bed, but my bedroom as problems with premptive gravitational multitasking, and my mattress keeps ending up on the ceiling when I roll over wrong |
| 06:57.49 | drmessano | I need to reboot my headboard |
| 06:58.46 | jblack | looks like practically no change since late 2007 |
| 06:59.13 | jaytee | jblack, they should change the name to "Languishing kernel" instead |
| 06:59.31 | jblack | DNF Junior is my vote |
| 07:01.14 | obnauticus | drmessano you look ravishing tonight. |
| 07:01.19 | obnauticus | is it the tank top? |
| 07:01.26 | obnauticus | or the matching jeans |
| 07:01.37 | jaytee | DNF Junior? |
| 07:01.52 | jblack | here we go. They are still working on it. |
| 07:01.58 | jblack | duke Nukem forever junior |
| 07:02.05 | jblack | http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/commit-hurd/2008-08/index.html |
| 07:02.11 | jaytee | lol |
| 07:02.34 | jaytee | only die-hard Stallmanites still believe in that project |
| 07:02.48 | io_error | GNU Hurd? |
| 07:02.53 | jaytee | yeah |
| 07:03.00 | io_error | That died when Linux came out. :) |
| 07:03.08 | jaytee | tell that to Richard :-) |
| 07:03.18 | io_error | rms is stubborn, what can I say. |
| 07:03.19 | jblack | There were five people working on it this august. |
| 07:03.36 | io_error | And 10,000 working on the Linux kernel |
| 07:03.45 | jaytee | I think he hates Linus because he actually created something that worked |
| 07:04.04 | jblack | It's not dead yet. I'm amazed, though. |
| 07:04.12 | io_error | It's on life support. |
| 07:04.30 | jaytee | some people out there are still using these things called typewriters |
| 07:04.54 | io_error | Yeah, and some people do math with pen and paper! |
| 07:05.07 | jaytee | I have on occassion |
| 07:05.38 | jaytee | simple math, not linear algebra or calculus |
| 07:06.16 | jblack | holy wow. #hurd has 45 people in it |
| 07:06.33 | jaytee | so that's where all the losers congregate |
| 07:06.36 | io_error | EH, most of them aren't there, or are bots |
| 07:07.04 | jblack | man, you guys need a refresher on leaving options open |
| 07:08.06 | jaytee | jblack, I'm a realist. it really get in the way of being a starry eyed idealist but somebody's actually got to "Get er done!" |
| 07:09.23 | jblack | I'll play defense. |
| 07:09.45 | jblack | I heard about the same sort of stuff when I moved from OS/2 to Linux. That nobody used it, that it was a useless toy, that it would never go anywhere. |
| 07:10.07 | jblack | Back when I started, best estimates indicated well less than 100K users worldwide. |
| 07:11.38 | jaytee | and I heard the same thing about it too. I had Gartner Group analysts telling us for the longest time (at great expense) that OS/2 and Lan Manager was the future till Windows NT came along. Even back then Netware was better than OS/2 and the first versions of NT Server that came later. |
| 07:11.40 | io_error | jblack: Go to Giant and look at the cash register screen. It's probably OS/2 |
| 07:14.43 | jblack | io_error: These days, it would be called ecommercestation or somesuch. |
| 07:15.38 | jblack | Point being, Hurd is clearly growing rather than shrinking. Probably that debian port they opened up a few years ago. |
| 07:16.12 | jaytee | at this pace it should be the dominant player around 2050 |
| 07:16.24 | jblack | If that soon, if ever. |
| 07:17.01 | jblack | huh. THey even have X running these days. |
| 07:17.07 | jaytee | anyone old enough to remember IBM's MicroChannel Architecture? |
| 07:17.45 | io_error | Dominant? The Hurd might be finished by 2050. |
| 07:17.46 | jblack | I'm old enough to have started on a computer with 1K of ram. Yes. |
| 07:17.54 | io_error | MicroChannel? I was trying to forget. |
| 07:18.21 | io_error | I still HAVE a functioning computer with 32K of RAM. |
| 07:18.34 | jaytee | io_error, from this point forward, do yourself a favor and associate my nick with the word "sarcasm" |
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| 07:19.21 | jaytee | I have an 8" 16K single sided floppy disk in my collection |
| 07:19.52 | io_error | Oh, those were the days. |
| 07:20.11 | drmessano | wow |
| 07:20.17 | drmessano | I am regged to AIM on X-Lite |
| 07:20.17 | jblack | The oldest thing I have is a kaypro II. |
| 07:20.29 | drmessano | Now I need to call myself |
| 07:20.45 | jaytee | one of my first jobs in computers was doing bench testing on power supplies for a portable computer running CP/M with 16K of RAM back in '79 |
| 07:21.05 | drmessano | HA |
| 07:21.06 | drmessano | Nice |
| 07:21.12 | jaytee | it didn't have a screen, just a line printer like a glorified typewriter |
| 07:21.15 | drmessano | I just made a SIP call to my * box over AIM |
| 07:21.21 | drmessano | From X-lite |
| 07:21.28 | io_error | "Portable" meaning that one person could carry it if he had strong arms and a good back? |
| 07:21.28 | jaytee | drmessano, awesome!!! |
| 07:21.40 | jblack | That's useful to know. |
| 07:22.03 | drmessano | You have to login to the AIM site |
| 07:22.10 | drmessano | and set a password for your SIP client |
| 07:22.15 | drmessano | Then you can reg |
| 07:22.19 | jblack | And it works with any sip client? |
| 07:22.22 | drmessano | Yes |
| 07:22.22 | jaytee | io_error, it weighed about 9 pounds actually. Lighter than the Compaq Portable with the horrible orange plasma display that ran DOS 3.3 and weighed 25 pounds. |
| 07:22.32 | jblack | sweet. |
| 07:22.38 | jaytee | just useless in comparison |
| 07:22.39 | drmessano | I just called my desk phone and my CID was 'drmessano' |
| 07:22.54 | io_error | jaytee: Oh man, I remember that thing. |
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| 07:23.42 | jaytee | we had one for checkout in our IT department. People would sign it out and when they brought it back one arm was longer than the other. |
| 07:24.10 | jblack | I'm due for an mmorpg. what's one of the better ones, these das? |
| 07:25.05 | io_error | jaytee: And how far we've come is that I have an MP3 player with more computing power than that. |
| 07:25.14 | jaytee | jblack, "WelcomeToHell" but it only runs on Cisco Call Manager :-) |
| 07:25.17 | drmessano | time to call into AIM |
| 07:26.16 | drmessano | Hmm |
| 07:26.23 | drmessano | Not so much calling into AIM |
| 07:28.14 | jaytee | io_error, this computer I'm on has more computing power than an IBM 3090 mainframe from the mid 80's. |
| 07:28.29 | jaytee | at 1/200th the size |
| 07:28.50 | jaytee | and that's a modest size estimate |
| 07:28.52 | io_error | And it's still not enough. |
| 07:30.47 | jaytee | I want a terahertz Octal core chip with 64 exabytes of RAM and a 4 Petabyte disk array. |
| 07:31.04 | io_error | jaytee: And you'll have one, in about 15 years. :) |
| 07:31.37 | jaytee | and I want it to be the size of an SFF pc like a Shuttle |
| 07:31.47 | io_error | Might be 16 years, then. |
| 07:31.53 | drmessano | I want to upgrade my Sony Terafile to a Petafile |
| 07:31.56 | jblack | I doubt you'll get a terahertz chip. |
| 07:32.13 | jaytee | jblack, oh ye of little faith |
| 07:32.37 | jaytee | optical processors baby! wave of the future |
| 07:32.40 | jaytee | photons |
| 07:33.13 | jblack | You start entering infra-red at 1 thz |
| 07:33.29 | jaytee | and eventually we'll have tachyonic packet transport so we can browse web site pages in the future and bet on the winning PowerBall numbers before the drawing. |
| 07:33.52 | io_error | jaytee: Can you write up an RFC for that and have it ready by next April 1st? |
| 07:34.12 | jaytee | sure thing! I'll get right on it! |
| 07:34.55 | jaytee | Firefox 10.0 with the new Way Forward and Way Backward buttons. |
| 07:37.59 | drmessano | HA |
| 07:38.09 | drmessano | Yeah, click way back and it takes you back to Lycos |
| 07:38.14 | jaytee | lol |
| 07:38.24 | drmessano | EXCITE.COM |
| 07:38.40 | jblack | heh. yahoo is still around. |
| 07:38.46 | jaytee | what? Ben Franklin didn't have a website for Poor Richard's Almanac? shit! |
| 07:39.06 | drmessano | [03:39] <jblack> heh. yahoo is still around. <-- You're giving them too much credit |
| 07:39.34 | drmessano | Thats like saying a 17 yr old blind, deaf, and incontinent dog is "Still around" |
| 07:39.37 | drmessano | Yeah.. |
| 07:40.08 | jaytee | Yahoo sent me a thing that looks kinda like a Staples Easy Button but it's purple with the Yahoo logo. When you slap it it plays that "Ya-hoo-ooooo-oooo" sound. |
| 07:40.20 | jaytee | I have no idea why they sent it to me. |
| 07:40.27 | drmessano | He cant see, cant hear, and pees everywhere, but damn, he sure can 360 |
| 07:40.57 | drmessano | Yahoo 360 was a good indicator that Yahoo doesnt have a clue |
| 07:41.12 | drmessano | "Myspace? Oh hell no, lets bust out some Yahoo 360" |
| 07:41.21 | drmessano | That ended well |
| 07:41.32 | jaytee | as well as Microsoft Bob |
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| 07:41.52 | drmessano | Bob was ahead of its time |
| 07:42.05 | jaytee | hahahahaa |
| 07:42.10 | drmessano | Seriously |
| 07:42.20 | jaytee | oh, c'mon!!! |
| 07:42.35 | drmessano | Multiple desktops, Second Life, that damn search dog |
| 07:42.43 | drmessano | All have roots in Bob |
| 07:43.01 | drmessano | Problem was Bob didn't have shit to work with |
| 07:43.12 | drmessano | "Oh look, I can browse all 3 internet sites with this.. yay" |
| 07:44.15 | drmessano | Having your own little "Room" for your application shortcuts |
| 07:44.21 | drmessano | Fast user Switching |
| 07:44.46 | drmessano | The smiley face on the cover... Wal Mart |
| 07:44.46 | drmessano | See |
| 07:45.03 | drmessano | Bob wasnt a flop, it was a PROPHET |
| 07:45.27 | jaytee | fine, go get yourself a copy and load it up |
| 07:45.35 | drmessano | I have |
| 07:45.45 | jaytee | ever read about Numenta Corp.? |
| 07:46.01 | drmessano | no |
| 07:46.32 | jaytee | interesting company with an interesting concept in AI. A computer memory model based on the human neocortex |
| 07:46.53 | drmessano | Wait |
| 07:47.06 | drmessano | That's from the Apple brochure for MacOS 4 |
| 07:47.13 | jaytee | guy that started it was the co-founder of Palm Computing |
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| 07:47.47 | drmessano | Back in 1987, Steve Jobs promised me that my PC would be making me coffee |
| 07:47.56 | drmessano | Im still waiting for a refill, VISTA |
| 07:48.12 | jaytee | Windows 7 will save us all! |
| 07:48.17 | drmessano | HAW |
| 07:48.24 | drmessano | Dude |
| 07:48.41 | jaytee | I'm such a cynic. I have a Shatner/Hasselhoff '08 bumper sticker |
| 07:48.50 | drmessano | I know a guy, who knows a guy.. who knows this chick, who knows this guy, that went to school with this guy that works at M$ |
| 07:49.06 | jaytee | my ex works for Microsoft |
| 07:49.13 | jaytee | she just started there last month |
| 07:49.16 | drmessano | and they said M$ is going to a modular architecture for Windows 7 |
| 07:49.21 | drmessano | As in |
| 07:50.29 | drmessano | Windows 3.1 + 95 + 98 + NT + 2000 + XP with the Plus Pack, Entertainment Pack, The workgroups addon for DOS, Bob, and the GUI from Flight Simulator 95 |
| 07:50.38 | jaytee | hahaha |
| 07:50.42 | drmessano | Its gonna be ALLWINDOWS |
| 07:50.51 | jaytee | Windows Mobile On Steroids |
| 07:50.52 | drmessano | STRENGTH IN NUMBERS |
| 07:51.09 | drmessano | You know... |
| 07:51.34 | drmessano | ESXi, with 3.1, 98SE, XPSP3 would be the best windows ever |
| 07:51.47 | drmessano | 100% compatible |
| 07:52.18 | jaytee | I had a bit of a shock when I was working on a dedicated circuit for an ATM at work and one of the tech that contracts for the bank rebooted it and it came up with a Windows XP splash screen. I started thinking, "Is my money safe in that bank?" |
| 07:52.31 | drmessano | lol |
| 07:52.38 | drmessano | XP Embedded isn't that bad.. well |
| 07:52.40 | drmessano | sort of |
| 07:52.45 | io_error | I'm going to have to start unplugging ATMs |
| 07:52.49 | io_error | and power cycling them |
| 07:53.01 | jaytee | Hack the Planet!!! |
| 07:53.08 | drmessano | At my old job, we used to use a lot of different commercial distribution systems |
| 07:53.09 | io_error | Oh god, that movie was horrible |
| 07:53.22 | io_error | Except for Angelina Jolie. heh |
| 07:53.31 | jaytee | but Angie's lips were so petulant, her breasts so perky. |
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| 07:53.36 | drmessano | One of which was an XPE box that would FTP download the commercials and had a Web UI for accessing them |
| 07:54.04 | drmessano | Well, one day someone found a few holes in Windows RPC stack |
| 07:54.12 | jaytee | back then she looked like she could suck the chrome off a new trailer hitch |
| 07:54.37 | drmessano | and since we didnt have access to the dev kits to roll out XPE patches, we were at the mercy of the vendor.. |
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| 07:55.17 | drmessano | After patching all the 2000/XP systems we had access to, found out 200 or 300 of these boxes had found each other on the corporate WAN and started using each other for replication |
| 07:55.20 | io_error | Windows will embarrass you. http://is.gd/1mVd |
| 07:55.44 | drmessano | So we had basically a giant internal DoS across 300 or so sites because of unpatched XPE boxes |
| 07:55.51 | drmessano | Shut down our WAN |
| 07:55.57 | drmessano | 30,000 users |
| 07:56.00 | drmessano | Good stuff |
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| 07:56.38 | drmessano | I fixed our box myself |
| 07:56.49 | drmessano | I walked over to it.. found the little telephone looking plug thingo |
| 07:56.54 | drmessano | And went YANK! |
| 07:57.31 | drmessano | I shook the box a little and taunted it.. "Whatcha gonna do now" |
| 07:57.35 | jaytee | I've gotta get some sleep. be back later |
| 07:57.39 | drmessano | Chow |
| 07:58.05 | jaytee | hasta luego |
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| 08:17.29 | mandh | Hello all |
| 08:19.40 | mandh | when call comming i play some files , and then enter the call queue , but i want the call enter the queue and phone rings while the message plays and if one answer the call , play will stop |
| 08:20.16 | mandh | how to do like that |
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| 08:22.09 | io_error | mandh: like, music on hold? |
| 08:22.21 | mandh | right |
| 08:23.22 | io_error | mandh: just set up a directory with your MP3 files in it and put it in musiconhold.conf |
| 08:23.53 | io_error | mandh: then you'll do exten => 1234,n,SetMusicOnHold(whatever) |
| 08:24.34 | mandh | where i can paste my config |
| 08:26.03 | io_error | mandh: any of a million pastebins :) |
| 08:26.17 | mandh | like? |
| 08:26.32 | io_error | http://asterisk.pastebin.ca |
| 08:27.04 | mandh | io_error, http://asterisk.pastebin.ca/1182280 |
| 08:30.12 | io_error | mandh: OK, what's your next question? |
| 08:31.00 | mandh | u can see that first i play some files and then count the online agent numbers , if there agents i enter the queue |
| 08:31.20 | mandh | but that take lot of time to finish playing the first files |
| 08:32.07 | mandh | so how i can still play the files and in the same times i enter the queue and phone rings and if one replay the play will stops |
| 08:33.10 | io_error | Hm, that's different. |
| 08:33.35 | mandh | :) |
| 08:38.44 | io_error | mandh: I just keep the message short before I put them in the queue :) |
| 08:48.02 | mandh | io_error, u mean the play files? |
| 08:48.09 | io_error | right |
| 08:48.51 | mandh | can we play message after puting the call in queue? |
| 08:49.02 | io_error | mandh: Only via music on hold |
| 08:49.09 | mandh | right |
| 08:49.24 | mandh | what if we have 2 class of music on hold |
| 08:49.26 | io_error | Unless somebody around here knows a few tricks |
| 08:49.58 | mandh | i mean some musci on hold files while the agents answer |
| 08:50.11 | mandh | and other files when we put the call on hold |
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| 08:58.09 | DarKnesS_WolF | i can't belive how ppl can stand fedora ! |
| 08:58.11 | DarKnesS_WolF | oh god ! |
| 09:02.37 | io_error | DarKnesS_WolF: Oh, it's pretty easy. |
| 09:02.43 | io_error | is using it RIGHT NOW! |
| 09:06.38 | DarKnesS_WolF | io_error: it isugly ! u know that there servers cracked ? |
| 09:06.54 | DarKnesS_WolF | io_error: and ur not getting any updates since around 2 weeks ? |
| 09:07.13 | DarKnesS_WolF | io_error: and it is really ugly ! really bad ! try archlinux / mandriva / ubuntu u'll feel how bad fedora is.. |
| 09:07.22 | io_error | DarKnesS_WolF: I got updates yesterday |
| 09:07.35 | DarKnesS_WolF | io_error: lol they fixed the serveres at last ? |
| 09:07.38 | io_error | DarKnesS_WolF: Ugly? All the rest of those are ugly |
| 09:07.42 | io_error | DarKnesS_WolF: I wasn't aware they were ever broken :) |
| 09:07.48 | DarKnesS_WolF | noway ! |
| 09:08.01 | DarKnesS_WolF | io_error: someone cracked up the fedora signing servers |
| 09:08.14 | io_error | ORLY? |
| 09:08.15 | DarKnesS_WolF | and they "hope" he didn't get the passes and things like that |
| 09:08.26 | DarKnesS_WolF | read the redhat mailing list |
| 09:08.47 | DarKnesS_WolF | io_error: so now may be u'll get a fedora package which is singing from fedora but it hasa rootkit :P |
| 09:08.50 | DarKnesS_WolF | io_error: enjoy :-d |
| 09:09.04 | io_error | OH, this news is new :) |
| 09:09.24 | DarKnesS_WolF | it been for like 10 days ? |
| 09:09.26 | DarKnesS_WolF | :D |
| 09:09.33 | DarKnesS_WolF | u didn't find it strange :P no updates :P? |
| 09:10.44 | io_error | DarKnesS_WolF: No updates for 10 days isn't too far out of the ordinary :) |
| 09:13.12 | drmessano | Fedora sucks lol |
| 09:14.06 | drmessano | Fedora is a giant ongoing beta test for Redhat Enterprise.. |
| 09:15.31 | io_error | The latter is true, anyway. |
| 09:15.44 | io_error | goes back to work |
| 09:16.56 | drmessano | Ron Paul? |
| 09:19.57 | tzafrir_laptop | Am I the only one here getting rejects from failed deliverry attamets to someone @parsetree.com ? |
| 09:20.15 | tzafrir_laptop | (through what seems to be a Digium list server?) |
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| 09:21.53 | tzafrir_laptop | DarKnesS_WolF, do you reak LWN? did you read the article they wrote this week with all the "speculations" on Fedora (before the real details came out)? |
| 09:27.18 | oilinki | hmm. firewall dropping packets? when i make an call, I can hear that the phone is lifted, but then nothing |
| 09:32.12 | DarKnesS_WolF | tzafrir_laptop: shoot :d-D |
| 09:32.47 | DarKnesS_WolF | tzafrir_laptop: nop i didn't what it is all about ? |
| 09:34.21 | DarKnesS_WolF | tzafrir_laptop: what is reak lwn means ? |
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| 10:05.39 | tzafrir_laptop | DarKnesS_WolF, http://lwn.net/ |
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| 10:15.24 | DarKnesS_WolF | tzafrir_laptop: link for the article ? |
| 10:27.15 | tzafrir_laptop | http://lwn.net/Articles/294834 , but this is subscriber-only page for now |
| 10:27.42 | tzafrir_laptop | anyway, the reelvant quote: as a potential explanation to the Fedora infrastructure issues: |
| 10:27.58 | tzafrir_laptop | "Last month, Fedora slipped a small patch into gcc designed to ensure that the results from the most recent board election - where one slot went to a candidate who was not a Red Hat employee - would never be repeated. But the patch was botched, and most mathematical operations in gcc-compiled programs have been returning random numbers ever since. Now the Fedora team is trying to quietly replace the broken binaries before an |
| 10:27.58 | tzafrir_laptop | ybody notices." |
| 10:28.18 | tzafrir_laptop | (which is just one of the wild speculations there) |
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| 10:32.20 | DarKnesS_WolF | wow |
| 10:32.30 | DarKnesS_WolF | reminds me of debian SSH key bug |
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| 10:39.55 | DarKnesS_WolF | i have a very veyr strange problem ...... i gues sit is nating but can't be sure |
| 10:40.16 | DarKnesS_WolF | SNOM behind NAT ----> Dlink adsl broadband ----> internet ---> asterisk on real IP |
| 10:40.25 | DarKnesS_WolF | it is always registered and showen in the qulify |
| 10:40.44 | DarKnesS_WolF | but sometime when i make the call via the phone to the * it works and someother it get delay like 7 secounds |
| 10:40.54 | DarKnesS_WolF | u think it might be something miss configured ? |
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| 10:45.26 | rig | hello |
| 10:46.33 | rig | anyone here using the philips ap200? |
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| 11:32.10 | DarKnesS_WolF | what is error 401 on registration ? |
| 11:41.06 | mvanbaak | authorization required |
| 11:42.05 | mvanbaak | I think it means you have wrong password |
| 11:42.09 | mvanbaak | but I'm not sure |
| 11:42.36 | DarKnesS_WolF | hahahah fixed ! |
| 11:42.41 | DarKnesS_WolF | mmmm egypt ISPs sucks ! |
| 11:42.53 | DarKnesS_WolF | i have to disable offer gruu or guru don't recall the name |
| 11:43.12 | DarKnesS_WolF | mvanbaak: it should be but seems the guru the phone was sending freaking out asterisk 1.2 |
| 11:43.15 | DarKnesS_WolF | now works |
| 11:43.20 | DarKnesS_WolF | mmm might try teh vpn wiht snom |
| 11:43.26 | DarKnesS_WolF | snom rules anyway |
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| 11:56.41 | DarKnesS_WolF | the strange thing that the dtmf sent twice ! mmmm |
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| 12:30.41 | DarKnesS_WolF | mm the phone is losing the registration |
| 12:30.41 | DarKnesS_WolF | mmm |
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| 13:34.11 | DarKnesS_WolF | dam n this PPoE |
| 13:38.50 | DarKnesS_WolF | PPPoE * |
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| 14:19.24 | rabby | hi |
| 14:20.10 | rabby | trying exten => 42749,1,Dial(LOCAL/600) the asterisk server answers every dial-in :( can't it be limited to calls to ...42749? |
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| 14:30.24 | mvanbaak | rabby: without logs etc we cannot help you |
| 14:33.02 | rabby | does asterisk use the MSNs from /etc/asterisk/misdn.conf or does it prefer extensions.conf |
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| 14:40.19 | DarKnesS_WolF | [TK]D-Fender: recall the nat problem with PPPoE i told u about long long long aago :-)? i justed fixed it now :-) not the real WAN ip in NAT not hte Static IP i buy |
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| 14:57.32 | Scriptkiller | hi all. help me pls fix that: |
| 14:57.32 | Scriptkiller | file.c: File digits/today does not exist in any format |
| 14:57.33 | Scriptkiller | file.c: Unable to open digits/today (format 0x4 (ulaw)): No such file or directory |
| 14:58.22 | Scriptkiller | souds at /var/lib/asterisk/sounds with *.gsm extensions |
| 14:59.14 | Scriptkiller | or how to trace where asterisk searching that sounds |
| 15:04.59 | Qwell | does it exist? |
| 15:04.59 | [TK]D-Fender | Scriptkiller: where do YOU see the file? |
| 15:05.34 | Scriptkiller | all sounds at /var/lib/asterisk/sounds. i see them :) |
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| 15:05.52 | Qwell | ls -l /var/lib/asterisk/sounds/digits/today.gsm |
| 15:05.59 | [TK]D-Fender | Scriptkiller: PASTEBIN the dump of that folder : "ls -la /var/lib/sounds/digits/" |
| 15:06.09 | [TK]D-Fender | ~pb |
| 15:06.10 | jbot | [~pb] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste |
| 15:06.11 | [TK]D-Fender | ^^^^^^^^^^^ |
| 15:06.31 | Darthclue | Morning all. Can anyone make a recommendation for the type of signalling to use with a uverse voice phone line? |
| 15:07.54 | Scriptkiller | http://pastebin.com/m3500594 |
| 15:08.24 | Qwell | that isn't what you were asked for |
| 15:08.39 | brodiem | I see you took the time to make your installation nice and secure |
| 15:08.49 | [TK]D-Fender | DarthcluescripWRONG FOLDER |
| 15:08.56 | [TK]D-Fender | Scriptkiller: WRONG FOLDER |
| 15:09.03 | [TK]D-Fender | Darthclue: What do they SAY they use? |
| 15:09.15 | mvanbaak | whehehehe |
| 15:09.21 | Qwell | ~tias |
| 15:09.21 | jbot | Try it and see! |
| 15:09.58 | mvanbaak | chmod -R 777 / |
| 15:10.01 | mvanbaak | ;) |
| 15:10.07 | brodiem | it probably already is, heh |
| 15:10.27 | Scriptkiller | [TK]D-Fender: http://pastebin.com/m23cfc0ba <- paths at head of asterisk.conf |
| 15:10.29 | Darthclue | [TK]D-Fender: They haven't. |
| 15:10.53 | Qwell | why is astvarlibdir /usr/? |
| 15:10.57 | [TK]D-Fender | Scriptkiller: PASTEBIN the dump of that folder : "ls -la /var/lib/sounds/digits/" <-- what part of THIS FOLDER do you not understand? |
| 15:11.19 | [TK]D-Fender | Scriptkiller: "ls -la /var/lib/asterisk/sounds/digits/" |
| 15:11.28 | [TK]D-Fender | darn, had to miss "asterisk" myself.... |
| 15:11.35 | [TK]D-Fender | Qwell: You got it right anways |
| 15:11.55 | mvanbaak | this line is nice as well |
| 15:11.57 | mvanbaak | lrwxrwxrwx 1 asterisk asterisk 24 2008-08-23 18:49 sounds -> /var/lib/asterisk/sounds |
| 15:11.59 | Scriptkiller | [TK]D-Fender: http://pastebin.com/mbebe875 |
| 15:12.16 | Scriptkiller | i have that sounds of course |
| 15:12.56 | mvanbaak | that way you can do: cd /var/lib/asterisk/sounds/sounds/sounds/sounds/sounds/sounds/sounds/sounds/sounds |
| 15:12.57 | Qwell | Scriptkiller: who told you to change astvarlibdir? |
| 15:13.02 | [TK]D-Fender | Scriptkiller: fails to load |
| 15:13.13 | Qwell | [TK]D-Fender: irrelevant |
| 15:13.42 | [TK]D-Fender | Scriptkiller: pastebin the complete failed call at verbose 10 |
| 15:13.51 | Qwell | [TK]D-Fender: irrelevant :D |
| 15:13.57 | Qwell | fix asterisk.conf |
| 15:14.05 | [TK]D-Fender | Qwell: yeah I think I know what I missed... |
| 15:14.13 | mvanbaak | irrelevant |
| 15:14.15 | mvanbaak | ;) |
| 15:14.20 | lowtek | ugh.. meatloaf for breakfast != good |
| 15:14.22 | [TK]D-Fender | astvarlibdir => /usr/lib/asterisk <--- culprit |
| 15:14.46 | mvanbaak | lowtek: depends on how late you have breakfast :) |
| 15:14.59 | mvanbaak | I'll have breakfast in 15 minutes |
| 15:15.05 | mvanbaak | and it's 17:15 here now |
| 15:15.22 | lowtek | mvanbaak: Where are you? |
| 15:15.26 | mvanbaak | .nl |
| 15:15.39 | lowtek | Ah... |
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| 15:21.09 | Derkommissar | Hello guys |
| 15:21.12 | [TK]D-Fender | Don't turn around!!!!!! |
| 15:21.22 | [TK]D-Fender | Uh oh! |
| 15:21.30 | brodiem | sweet fedex just came w/ my $50 wip330 hehe |
| 15:21.33 | Derkommissar | Cause im in town |
| 15:21.34 | Derkommissar | haha |
| 15:21.44 | Derkommissar | question........ |
| 15:22.10 | Derkommissar | Is there a way to forward the SDP information from leg A of a call to Leg B without doing a re-invite |
| 15:22.12 | Derkommissar | ? |
| 15:22.34 | [TK]D-Fender | Derkommissar: No, * is not a proxy. |
| 15:23.37 | Derkommissar | i knew that |
| 15:23.52 | Derkommissar | but i saw that in sip.conf there is a setting outboundproxy |
| 15:24.32 | [TK]D-Fender | Derkommissar: just a way of directing all of *'s traffic. |
| 15:25.13 | Derkommissar | I see |
| 15:26.12 | Scriptkiller | ok. thx to all. fixed :) P.S. that chmod need for sounds? |
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| 15:26.42 | [TK]D-Fender | Scriptkiller: if it work, who cares. If just that ANY user on your system can mess with those files. |
| 15:27.02 | Qwell | Scriptkiller: who told you to change astvarlibdir and/or run that chmod in the first place? |
| 15:27.26 | Qwell | kicks his hosting provider |
| 15:27.44 | Scriptkiller | i wrong when edit configs from second (freebsd) server |
| 15:28.00 | Scriptkiller | this server on SuSE |
| 15:28.59 | lowtek | I just run asterisk as root with password root and do a chmod -R 777 / after every install, saves a lot of hassle. |
| 15:30.18 | Qwell | lowtek: have you considered running netcat on port 21 that spawns /bin/bash as root? |
| 15:30.21 | Scriptkiller | lowtek: yeah it's cool from any user |
| 15:30.25 | Scriptkiller | )) |
| 15:30.33 | Scriptkiller | any can change /etc/shadow |
| 15:30.36 | Qwell | 21? 23? |
| 15:30.44 | Qwell | jbot: telnet port |
| 15:30.45 | Nugget | telnet is eeeeeeevil! |
| 15:31.40 | lowtek | Qwell: Hey that's a good idea, we could just bypass the hassle of logging in all together! Thanks Qwell!!!! |
| 15:31.58 | Qwell | lowtek: that's why I'm here |
| 15:33.38 | [TK]D-Fender | Single user mode for run-time! |
| 15:33.52 | [TK]D-Fender | RIGHTS?! NOTHING to check period! |
| 15:34.06 | Qwell | performance increase! |
| 15:34.15 | Qwell | no wasting time checking UIDs |
| 15:34.38 | lowtek | TK: lol, would that actually work? |
| 15:34.46 | Qwell | lowtek: sure, why not? |
| 15:35.42 | lowtek | Never really contemplated but I guess it would ... |
| 15:36.19 | [TK]D-Fender | lowtek: When aiming low, grab a shovel to maximize the fall :) |
| 15:37.26 | lowtek | lol |
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| 15:42.59 | angryuser | hello, long time no see |
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| 16:10.12 | drmessano | Anyone here using AIM? |
| 16:14.04 | Qwell | drmessano: O.o |
| 16:14.50 | jeev | where is russellb |
| 16:22.16 | drmessano | ?? |
| 16:22.27 | drmessano | Try to test the AIM voice |
| 16:22.42 | drmessano | Even though no one uses IM voice |
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| 16:25.50 | lowtek | I tried the MSN hack-in, sucked |
| 16:26.01 | drmessano | This isn't a hack |
| 16:26.27 | drmessano | or a third party |
| 16:28.06 | drmessano | I guess I will make another AIM account |
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| 16:38.15 | mvanbaak | I have AIM, but I bet voice wont work here |
| 16:38.27 | mvanbaak | ssh to shellbox, run screen, run irssi, connecting to bitlbee |
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| 16:55.17 | oilinki | what's wrong? asterisk is sending 'chan_sip.c:12669 handle_response_peerpoke: Peer 'test-phone' is now Reachable. (477ms / 2000ms)' messages about 5-10/second. |
| 16:55.43 | oilinki | normally untill the phone on the other end hangs and will become unreacable |
| 16:55.50 | mvanbaak | oilinki: you also see lines that tell you tho phone is lagged/unreachable |
| 16:56.28 | oilinki | mvanbaak: first rearchable , then unreachable |
| 16:56.34 | mvanbaak | yeah |
| 16:56.48 | mvanbaak | means there's something wrong with the link between phone and asterisk |
| 16:56.54 | oilinki | I tried to put the qualify=yes, qualify=no and qualify=2000 |
| 16:57.28 | oilinki | phone and the asterisk are on the different continents and therefore there will be lag |
| 16:57.39 | _ShrikE | I have seen several scripts that check for server uptime by sending a sip options request. Has anyone seen a script like this that will send an email if the server does not respond? |
| 16:57.44 | oilinki | but how can I make the poke time longer? |
| 16:58.33 | oilinki | seems that the ping/poke will make the connection and the phone to hang. |
| 16:58.52 | oilinki | and I'm using realtime |
| 16:59.30 | mvanbaak | _ShrikE: nagios |
| 16:59.39 | mvanbaak | oilinki: qualify=10000 |
| 17:00.37 | _ShrikE | mvanbaak: thank you |
| 17:01.11 | mvanbaak | _ShrikE: I have some plugin for it called check_asterisk |
| 17:01.20 | mvanbaak | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:02.12 | mvanbaak | so in the services config for a host I have: check_sip!200!500 |
| 17:03.15 | _ShrikE | reading up.. thanks |
| 17:03.23 | mvanbaak | together with nagirc bot this makes a nice irc status channel: |
| 17:03.23 | mvanbaak | 18:56 <@ nagios> 2008/08/23 18:55 WARN asterisk SIP TCP SIP WARNING - Test Duration: 246.23 ms |
| 17:03.27 | mvanbaak | 18:57 <@ nagios> 2008/08/23 18:56 OK asterisk SIP TCP SIP OK - Test Duration: 1.15 ms |
| 17:03.48 | mvanbaak | no problem, good luck |
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| 17:07.27 | oilinki | mvanbaak: seems like qualify=10000 did the trick after restarting the asterisk and the phone. thank you. |
| 17:09.31 | oilinki | I suppose my problem is the same as in here http://bugs.digium.com/view.php?id=13130 |
| 17:11.22 | oilinki | well. I had rtcachefriends=yes |
| 17:11.56 | mvanbaak | oilinki: :) you're welcome |
| 17:12.00 | mvanbaak | bbl |
| 17:17.22 | oilinki | mvanbaak: how that did the trick btw? |
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| 17:26.55 | rethus | anyone experiance with pjsua under linux (suse) ? |
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| 17:39.32 | AlexTO | Hi, someone know how can setup the timing source, i'm setting up an E1 as CO and I get REC alarm and also get timing source auto card 0! |
| 17:41.21 | drmessano | Hmmm |
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| 17:41.55 | drmessano | I cant seem to call in to AIM SIP from Asterisk direct or from an AIM account |
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| 17:51.59 | ManxPower | AlexTO: A RED alarm is not a timing problem |
| 17:52.10 | ManxPower | Is it a REC alarm or a RED alarm? |
| 17:53.55 | AlexTO | Sorry it is REC alarm |
| 17:56.23 | AlexTO | ManxPower Any idea how can i make it stop and sync? |
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| 18:08.01 | AlexTO | ?? |
| 18:08.44 | drmessano | I've seen all good people turn their head to stay so satisified |
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| 18:13.15 | vonkleist | hey, moy! |
| 18:13.27 | moy | vonkleist: hey, so, everything is working now_ |
| 18:13.29 | moy | ? |
| 18:13.34 | vonkleist | great! |
| 18:13.43 | vonkleist | incoming & outgoing |
| 18:13.46 | vonkleist | libopenr2 |
| 18:13.49 | vonkleist | :) |
| 18:14.48 | moy | nice :) |
| 18:15.01 | moy | don't hesitate in contacting me if you have any issues with it |
| 18:15.20 | vonkleist | for sure! |
| 18:15.22 | vonkleist | hahaha |
| 18:18.06 | AlexTO | hi vonkleist |
| 18:18.23 | AlexTO | are you familiar with timing source for E1? |
| 18:18.26 | vonkleist | hi, AlexTO |
| 18:18.31 | ManxPower | AlexTO: Why are you trying to set up an E-1? |
| 18:18.36 | ManxPower | You are in T-1 land |
| 18:18.42 | vonkleist | no, AlexTO |
| 18:18.56 | moy | AlexTO: timing source? what u need to know? |
| 18:19.04 | ManxPower | AlexTO: Asterisk will be a timing source if there is a 0 in the 2nd field of the span= line? |
| 18:19.17 | AlexTO | ManxPower, the interfase with the PBX is a E1 |
| 18:19.34 | ManxPower | AlexTO: It would be the first on in north america that I've heard of. |
| 18:20.01 | vonkleist | I think he's on .co |
| 18:20.08 | AlexTO | I'm not there right now, i'm Colombia and here they handle E1 ;-) |
| 18:20.18 | ManxPower | AlexTO: Anyway, if you have a 0 in the end field of the span line Asterisk will provide sync (timing). If there is a 1 in that field then Asterisk will receive it's sync (timing) from the other end of the line. |
| 18:20.38 | ManxPower | AlexTO: What is your span= line? |
| 18:20.46 | AlexTO | Oki let me change it, right now it is 1 |
| 18:21.01 | ManxPower | Normally PBXs expect to receive timing from the "telco" |
| 18:21.10 | ManxPower | But I doubt that is the problem. |
| 18:21.24 | ManxPower | timing/sync problems on T-1/E-1s show as audio issues, not REC alarms |
| 18:21.42 | ManxPower | (1:20:37 PM) ManxPower: AlexTO: What is your span= line? |
| 18:21.53 | AlexTO | this is my Line: span=1,1,0,ccs,hdb3,crc4 |
| 18:22.08 | ManxPower | Have you tried removing the crc4? |
| 18:22.17 | AlexTO | not yet |
| 18:22.37 | AlexTO | should i do it fisrt? |
| 18:22.38 | ManxPower | remember when you change zaptel.conf you must run ztcfg to make the changes apply |
| 18:22.39 | DarKnesS_WolF | my Snom 370 + NAT + PPPoE now stable like a rock !!!! |
| 18:22.54 | AlexTO | got it |
| 18:24.42 | AlexTO | i changed by "0" and i get the same REC alarm, let me remove the crc4 |
| 18:24.53 | ManxPower | The REC alarm is NOT a timing issue. |
| 18:25.00 | ManxPower | It is some OTHER issue. |
| 18:27.06 | AlexTO | ManxPower, i remove the crc4 and now i got Alarm OK :-D |
| 18:27.14 | AlexTO | Thanks |
| 18:29.04 | ManxPower | AlexTO: On E-1s sometimes you need crc4, sometimes you do not need crc4 |
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| 18:30.34 | DarKnesS_WolF | i'll be digging on E1/T1 very sooon as i think :-s |
| 18:31.18 | AlexTO | Ok. that's good tip |
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| 18:44.50 | Multivac | lo l |
| 18:44.52 | Multivac | o |
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| 19:16.43 | dlynes | ~seen flauto |
| 19:16.45 | jbot | flauto <n=zhao@71.194.141.225> was last seen on IRC in channel #asterisk, 294d 1h 39m 47s ago, saying: 'and email'. |
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| 19:21.56 | jameswf-home | ~seen your mom |
| 19:21.57 | jbot | i haven't seen 'your mom', jameswf-home |
| 19:22.44 | jeev | heh |
| 19:23.00 | drmessano | Hmmm |
| 19:23.12 | drmessano | I can't get playtones to work |
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| 19:24.59 | eric_hill | We bought some Polycom phones and I'm trying to put an ACD agent login/logout button on the menu (one of the softkeys I assume). Anyone have pointers on how to do this? |
| 19:26.25 | drmessano | Ahhh |
| 19:26.26 | [TK]D-Fender | eric_hill: Only option is to use a speed-dial. |
| 19:26.58 | eric_hill | You can't configure softkeys on the Polycom!? WTF!? |
| 19:27.17 | [TK]D-Fender | eric_hill: The 3-4 below the screen, no. |
| 19:27.33 | [TK]D-Fender | eric_hill: LINE keys, yes |
| 19:28.37 | eric_hill | So I guess I could make the second line key a login/logout button. Can the phone display the logged-in/out status on the display? |
| 19:29.06 | jeev | Fender, if i have these polycom 330's, i'm gonna have a few friends with 2-3 of them and i'm jsut wondering.. what is the best way to have the phones failover to another network is the main one is down? when they connect via SIP, if they connect to a hostname, should i just bind the hostname into DNS? for example. 3 phones at his office connecting to my off site server. for example, routing issues with that server, i have 3 other servers in the LA area with c |
| 19:29.31 | [TK]D-Fender | eric_hill: Nothing easy for this. You could run a script that would set a custom device state on a decent time interval and assign presence to that speed-dial |
| 19:29.41 | jeev | I believe i could set up a special DNS and switch it on DNS.. |
| 19:29.57 | [TK]D-Fender | jeev: use a secondary server in your provisioning. |
| 19:31.06 | jeev | ahh, i didn't even notice that. do you know how often it'd change? and what causes the change? |
| 19:31.17 | [TK]D-Fender | jeev: failure |
| 19:31.22 | drmessano | hmmm |
| 19:31.33 | drmessano | Can I dial an extension and then run Playtones? |
| 19:31.35 | jeev | i need to grab the manual and check it out |
| 19:31.39 | drmessano | or that just playing back to the caller |
| 19:32.19 | drmessano | feels like he is just "doing it wrong" |
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| 19:44.20 | ManxPower | drmessano: yes, make sure you have indications.conf |
| 19:46.16 | eric_hill | http://bugs.digium.com/bug_view_advanced_page.php?bug_id=6119 |
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| 19:50.46 | _Roman | I am writing a queue analysis app. I am using the queue_log file to keep track of things. This seems to work pretty nicely, except when a queue member takes a call and then transfers it to another extension, there is just no log of this, the log file get added to when the other extension hangs up. Does anyone have any suggestions about how I could track the transfer and know that the original queue member has hung up? |
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| 19:53.12 | drmessano | Ok, I can generate tones |
| 19:53.20 | drmessano | I can play them back to myself |
| 19:53.33 | drmessano | Just can't get them to play after dialing an extension |
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| 20:06.16 | [TK]D-Fender | eric_hill: Resolution suspended |
| 20:06.28 | [TK]D-Fender | eric_hill: 1.6 is coming out and that isn't making it into Chan_sip |
| 20:06.40 | eric_hill | Shit. |
| 20:08.18 | [TK]D-Fender | eric_hill: You could show login status on the MicroBrowser on anying other than an IP 30X |
| 20:09.13 | eric_hill | We bought 430's, so that's a possibility, but it won't show on the main display of the phone all the time. |
| 20:09.30 | [TK]D-Fender | eric_hill: Certainly it can |
| 20:09.55 | [TK]D-Fender | eric_hill: I monitor 4 agents & 2 queues on my office setup |
| 20:09.57 | eric_hill | I thought the browser was a separate screen, unrelated to the "time/date/etc" |
| 20:11.09 | [TK]D-Fender | eric_hill: there is the services screen, and the idle page. both separate. |
| 20:11.23 | eric_hill | Reading now... |
| 20:12.29 | Wayhigh | anyone here have a number that resolvs via e164.org that I can test? |
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| 20:19.17 | drmessano | So playtones terminates with DIal |
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| 20:43.24 | jameswf-home | heh http://www.tuaw.com/2006/01/23/widget-watch-carpenters-level/ |
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| 21:03.54 | makson88 | Hi guys |
| 21:04.37 | candyban_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:05.56 | makson88 | Im not sure what the correct terminology is but could asterisk be used to do something like this: user calls a number which is the pbx the user then is promoted to enter a PIN which is then used to query a database and return user information back to the user over the phone ? |
| 21:07.03 | styelz | yes its perfect for that |
| 21:07.53 | makson88 | Really.. Would that have to be scripted with like perl or something? I have an idea and i think asterisk is the right solution for my needs but im not sure how to start |
| 21:08.06 | styelz | yea |
| 21:08.24 | makson88 | what would be the correct terminology for that? So i can look for some docs |
| 21:09.12 | makson88 | could the system also take the users voice and make it txt on the back end? |
| 21:09.22 | makson88 | voice recongnitiion? |
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| 21:11.36 | styelz | um |
| 21:11.59 | [TK]D-Fender | makson88: This is called IVR, and is the heart of the dialplan. |
| 21:12.22 | makson88 | Which part of what i said is |
| 21:12.22 | [TK]D-Fender | makson88: And if I were you, stick to DTMF. Voice recognition is spotty & annoying |
| 21:12.40 | hmodes | don't forget expensive |
| 21:12.50 | makson88 | sorry im quite the n00b.. whats DTMF? |
| 21:13.04 | [TK]D-Fender | makson88: Touch-tones on your phone |
| 21:13.17 | [TK]D-Fender | Duo-Tone Multi-Frequency |
| 21:13.39 | makson88 | could the system pick up an address typed in via touchtone ? |
| 21:13.55 | [TK]D-Fender | makson88: Ways of doing it. |
| 21:14.40 | [TK]D-Fender | makson88: How much of an "address " are you looking for? If you're looking to do a VR 411 service, forget * as having anything to do with that |
| 21:16.04 | makson88 | no not at all.. Lets say I leave my current location on a voicemail or with the answering service could that addy be hooked into yahoo maps to pull up a map? |
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| 21:16.44 | makson88 | of course GPS or geo codes would be better but dont want to go there yet |
| 21:16.47 | makson88 | im just brain storming |
| 21:16.52 | [TK]D-Fender | makson88: I can't think of some intelligent miracle tool that will make what you're saying in a VM to do this with. |
| 21:19.37 | angryuser | wow nice asterisk forum, everyone get cials ;) |
| 21:21.06 | makson88 | maybe im not explaining it well? Im not sure of the functionality * provides so im just asking questions.. I guess he first thing im looking for is when a user dials the num they get promtped for PIN it then would query the DB to spit back the users name and then ask them to record a message. The rest of the stuff i want to do can be done with scripting not related to * |
| 21:24.23 | TJNII | I'm thinking about sighing up with voicepulse. Anyone wish to incourage/discourage me from this? |
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| 22:01.45 | jblack | tjnii: I don't know them. |
| 22:02.02 | jblack | tjnii: Are they the ones that require you to send in a copy of your driver's license? |
| 22:02.46 | TJNII | That's Broadvoice |
| 22:03.12 | TJNII | As far as I can tell they don't require copies of credit cards and ID. |
| 22:03.38 | TJNII | Broadvoice was good before they made it difficult to start an account.... |
| 22:09.40 | Shotygun | TJNII: Voicepulse got great US quality. UK is OK and the rest is quite poor/expensive. |
| 22:09.57 | Shotygun | I recommend them for USA termination. |
| 22:10.21 | TJNII | nods |
| 22:10.32 | Shotygun | If you need more than 4 channels, then call them and demand it and refuse their silly channels fee, they will waive it for free if you are not going to do inbound on it. |
| 22:10.51 | TJNII | It looks like they can't port my cell number, which was my uiltimate goal, though. |
| 22:11.14 | Shotygun | Well I use them for a call center, so I guess that's a different story. |
| 22:12.19 | TJNII | ~itsplist-us |
| 22:12.20 | jbot | [~itsplist-us] Here are some popular ITSPs (USA) starting with the more respected ones : http://www.teliax.com , http://connect.voicepulse.com , http://www.nufone.net , http://www.broadvoice.com, http://www.jnctn.com , http://www.bandwidth.com , http://vitelity.net |
| 22:12.43 | Shotygun | I personally got bad experience with teliax. |
| 22:12.48 | jblack | oh? |
| 22:14.15 | jblack | What happened? |
| 22:15.33 | Shotygun | teliax? Can't recall already, was about a year ago, but just remember having some issue that made me pass on them. Which is unfortunate, they got great reputation that I hear over and over.. |
| 22:15.35 | Shotygun | But oh well =) |
| 22:16.34 | jblack | right now I have callwithus, teliax, diamondcard, and voipstreet |
| 22:17.26 | Shotygun | I'm actually quite unhappy with my current providers. I use voicepulse (which is good only for USA), widevoip, call-labs |
| 22:17.52 | jblack | What do you want in your new provider? |
| 22:17.57 | Shotygun | And now I'm signing up with Tiscali in the end of the month, which the tests were disappointing in quality-speaking, decided to give it a shot anyway with some minimal pre-pay |
| 22:19.04 | Shotygun | good international quality, low latency from my points and best if it will also include 1/1 billing. 6/6 is an American thing and they like to say it's a "grey". |
| 22:19.32 | Shotygun | and CLI, forgot that. |
| 22:19.46 | jblack | I don't know who has a cli. |
| 22:19.47 | Shotygun | At least to primary targets, which aren't uncommon. |
| 22:20.04 | jblack | cli as in "command line interface" ? |
| 22:20.14 | Shotygun | I meant CID |
| 22:20.18 | Shotygun | Sorry, it's the hour (for me) |
| 22:21.10 | Shotygun | jblack: Can you hand me one of teliax's sip gws? I wanna do some latency check |
| 22:21.33 | jblack | I think callwithus' callerid is broken. Teliax's works. I haven't checked voipstreet and diamondcard yet. |
| 22:21.36 | jblack | sure. |
| 22:21.56 | jblack | Teliax has good voice quality, as does voipstreet. |
| 22:22.01 | Shotygun | VoicePulse's caller id works fine which is why I'm using it. My problem today is mainly with some international destinations |
| 22:22.06 | jblack | voipstreet does cid too |
| 22:22.39 | jblack | voip-co4.teliax.com is the one I use. |
| 22:22.42 | Shotygun | You happy with voipstreet? |
| 22:23.03 | jblack | Not sure yet. I'm not done testing them. |
| 22:23.33 | jblack | They had a minor billing problem, but they were quick to fix it. Took about 2 days to get a did, which is about 3/mo. |
| 22:24.00 | Shotygun | How minor was it? |
| 22:24.32 | Shotygun | "*Per minute charges are rounded to 15 second increments with a minimum 60 second charge per call." Are you with that agreement? |
| 22:24.36 | jblack | I fell through a crack in the billing system. The site had recorded the payment, but their email system dropped the "set up the did" email for their it. |
| 22:24.53 | jblack | that sounds like voipstreet. Yeah. |
| 22:25.22 | Shotygun | Need to see if they are open for wholesale, can't afford it at callcenter traffic |
| 22:25.48 | jblack | You might want to look at callwithus then. THey have per sec increments at .0127. |
| 22:26.05 | jblack | One of my client callcenters uses them as a backup. They're not flawless, but they are dirt cheap. |
| 22:26.09 | Shotygun | The name is very inviting =) |
| 22:27.02 | jblack | callwithus has very quick support response, but I can't get cid to work right with them. they allow you to select quality routes, but each route has different problems. |
| 22:27.21 | Shotygun | Ever tried the DIDs with them? |
| 22:27.22 | jblack | No ring on quality 4, no callerid on quality 5, dead on quality 6, etc. It's a bit disturbing. |
| 22:27.30 | jblack | Nope. They don't have any in my area. |
| 22:28.01 | Shotygun | The fact the customer needs to choose the route is quite.. odd.. |
| 22:28.12 | jblack | well, they work like a clearinghouse of sorts. |
| 22:28.18 | Shotygun | I mean, it's the easiest thing to do, to just get bunch of agreements and let the customers break their heads off but still |
| 22:28.35 | jblack | they hook providers and callers together. So they have to compete on their call rates. |
| 22:28.56 | Shotygun | I am wondering if it goes well for them |
| 22:29.33 | jblack | so, you can chose to pay .0127, which has ironically been the most reliable for me, Or pick higher rates (on a per call basis, btw) for supposedly better quality (which doesn't actually match my experience) |
| 22:29.39 | Shotygun | I was tempted about trying to do one man shop for wholesale termination, then I started checking how can I keep quality, and then I learned the ugly world of PESQ |
| 22:30.15 | Shotygun | Will try it |
| 22:30.15 | jblack | If you really want as cheap as possible, CWU is one of them. |
| 22:30.42 | Shotygun | I gave up on cheap. I'm starting to check tier-1s already, but for some reason they aren't great either. |
| 22:30.55 | Shotygun | Well not tier-1s, but primary telcos |
| 22:31.21 | Shotygun | I was disappointed when one major telco had worse quality than voicepulse |
| 22:31.39 | jblack | then again, I tend to push things down to ulaw. |
| 22:31.43 | jblack | pardon, down to gsm. |
| 22:31.46 | Shotygun | I got this one all wrong, voicepulse's quality with the usa is great, it's just I expected some equal-quality to them. |
| 22:32.01 | Shotygun | gsm is evil |
| 22:32.29 | Shotygun | Well, not evil, but annoying is a better word to describe it |
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| 22:32.41 | jblack | gimme a number to call. |
| 22:32.47 | jblack | I'll give you a gsm call and a ulaw call. |
| 22:33.06 | jblack | over both cwu and voipstreet. |
| 22:33.11 | jblack | so, 4 calls. |
| 22:33.34 | Shotygun | About to head to bed in a sec, but do you have an idea regarding the result of it? |
| 22:34.45 | jblack | i don't think that the difference between gsm and ulaw isn't large enough to offset 16Kb/sec vs. 128Kb/sec |
| 22:35.13 | Shotygun | jblack: Voicepulse might be cheaper to the USA comparing to callwithus, it depends on the nature of the user but it might be cheaper or same price. You should check it |
| 22:35.53 | jblack | I typically put clients on PRI and use voip as a backup, and here at home, I'm actually pretty low volume. |
| 22:35.55 | Shotygun | WelL I agree I would definitely pick gsm over ulaw, but I take the cost of g729 on that matter. You can sense when it is gsm. |
| 22:36.23 | jblack | My ear is allergic to proprietary protocols. Remind me about it when the patents expire |
| 22:36.40 | Shotygun | Agreed =) |
| 22:36.54 | Shotygun | I'm wondering when will they expire speaking of which.. |
| 22:37.26 | Shotygun | What is the life time of a patent anyway ? |
| 22:38.50 | jblack | g729 might be a patent pile |
| 22:41.01 | jblack | digium's mailing list claims somewhere around 2014 |
| 22:41.16 | Shotygun | A patent is apparently twenty years, just trying to find the date it has been approved |
| 22:41.34 | jblack | not always. there's weird exceptions |
| 22:43.15 | Shotygun | jblack: Well if you are allergic to that patent, PESQ costs about $3000 per oem license. |
| 22:43.27 | ManxPower | Or $10/channel |
| 22:43.35 | brodiem | jblack: CWU looks pretty neat for a secondary/testing/whatever account, thanks |
| 22:44.24 | jblack | brodiem: There are warts, so test it quite a bit before using it for production. |
| 22:44.49 | jblack | I'm the sort that likes to keep two really cheap providers, and when one screws up, to just switch over to the backup. |
| 22:44.57 | Shotygun | jblack: Does CWU suffers from "behaviour changes" with their route quality per destination? |
| 22:45.28 | Shotygun | jblack: How do you measure quality screwups anyway when the problem origins at the PSTN cloud of the provider? |
| 22:45.31 | jblack | where a *4 this week doesn't feel the same next week, because now it's a *3 or a *4 ? |
| 22:45.52 | jblack | (actually, it's *3n , not *n) |
| 22:46.09 | Shotygun | jblack: Something like that yeah |
| 22:46.44 | jblack | Not per call. Probably per week or so. But they explicitely told me that there's no way to lock down a provider that definitely works all the time. |
| 22:46.44 | Shotygun | My problem today is that the quality is changing randomly over my providers in their PSTN cloud and I'm still trying to find ways to determine that, pretty stuck on this one. |
| 22:47.12 | ManxPower | We avoid those varying quality issues pretty easily. |
| 22:47.23 | Shotygun | How? |
| 22:47.30 | ManxPower | We install PRIs from the local telco |
| 22:48.01 | Shotygun | Well that's good when you are dealing with local calls |
| 22:48.05 | jblack | That's what I like to do for production these days, too. |
| 22:48.16 | jblack | a PRI for the bulk of the traffic, slop over on voip. |
| 22:48.23 | Shotygun | Not international ones to some shitholes, excuse me for the language =) |
| 22:48.38 | ManxPower | Our telco gives us something like 5/cents/min. If you have any significant volume you can get a much better rate. |
| 22:49.01 | jblack | Shotygun: This is * land. You have the power to use multiple providers, and shift some calls here, internatonal calls there, etc. |
| 22:49.34 | Shotygun | jblack: Right, the problem is today I do plenty of this work manually, which is what I'm striving to change. |
| 22:49.46 | brodiem | The only vendor I've truly had great success with in terms of consistant reliability is BWC (i.e. Level3) |
| 22:49.50 | Shotygun | I havne't found a way to do voice analysis comparing without paying $60k for a software. |
| 22:50.13 | Shotygun | I only found one sourceforge project which went down at 2003 and the forums discussed about mails the authors started to get regarding patents |
| 22:50.27 | jblack | Shotygun: You can automate all that with *. It's easy. |
| 22:50.44 | jblack | I think you're overdoing it a little. |
| 22:51.24 | jblack | Most calls, short of the last mile, are entirely voip. if you switch over to ip phones and such, you can go 100% voip easily. |
| 22:51.31 | Shotygun | Automating calls is easy. But how can you like for example, play a voice file on the caller side, record it on the callee said (easy so far) and then run some comparing algorithm which will tell you how the call was? I'm not talking about SIP to SIP, talking about a call going through a PSTN cloud |
| 22:51.46 | jblack | What you'd be looking for is dropped packets, which are not subtle in their behaviour. |
| 22:51.59 | Shotygun | jblack: IP to IP is easy, my problem is when the callcenter is calling customers. |
| 22:52.03 | jblack | Shotygun: You don't need to do that sort of stuff any more. |
| 22:52.28 | ManxPower | The pstn is all digital and the call quality is very close to the same regardless of the telco |
| 22:52.30 | jblack | you can't control the customer side at all. The stuff in between the customer and you is digital. You can control you. |
| 22:52.59 | Shotygun | Let's say I'm in the US and I'm calling to some number in Australia |
| 22:53.10 | jblack | especially international. |
| 22:53.20 | Shotygun | I know my connection with my provider is terrific, but my provider is having difficulties terminating this PSTN call to Australia |
| 22:53.30 | jblack | All the cabling between continents is fibre. There's no analog channels left. |
| 22:53.34 | ManxPower | Shotygun: have you experienced this? |
| 22:53.45 | Shotygun | I wanna determine it's having difficulties by calling to Australia myself, and having a box waiting for me there attached to a DID that will record the call that came from my system in the USA |
| 22:53.58 | Shotygun | And then one of the points will compare the recording with the sample that was sent |
| 22:54.05 | Shotygun | So you can have some measurement of what's the quality |
| 22:54.14 | Shotygun | ManxPower: Bad quality? Of course |
| 22:54.20 | jblack | shotygon: Remember back to the 80s when sprint talked about "hearing a pin drop" ? |
| 22:54.40 | jblack | That was because sprint went to fiber first. All the other networks followed shortly after. |
| 22:54.41 | Shotygun | We have some customers in places I can't even spell right |
| 22:54.42 | ManxPower | Shotygun: even when I was making international calls I never had call quality issues. |
| 22:54.56 | jblack | shotygun: Again, you can't control their last mile. Just yours. |
| 22:55.03 | ManxPower | Shotygun: and if you discover a problem what do you plan to do to fix it? |
| 22:55.18 | Shotygun | ManxPower: I found out one provider has a better quality to that destination than the other. |
| 22:55.24 | jblack | no matter what provider you're using, if you're calling someone in the bush in zimbabwe that routes over barbed wire, you're not going to get past the barbed wire. |
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| 22:55.35 | jblack | Unless...... You set them up with voip to call your phone system directly. :) |
| 22:55.38 | Shotygun | The problem is it's not static, it's not like I can set the prefix to some route and know it will work that way all the time. |
| 22:55.57 | Shotygun | jblack: One of our office employees is in zimbabwe |
| 22:55.59 | ManxPower | Shotygun: Best of luck with that. |
| 22:56.05 | Shotygun | I learned how to route that call in the hard way, to that exact bush =) |
| 22:56.09 | jblack | Shotygun: Does he have internet access with bood latency? |
| 22:56.23 | Shotygun | Actually the net there is reasonable |
| 22:56.35 | Shotygun | Surprisingly.. |
| 22:56.37 | jblack | Then _he_ is the one you want to get on voip. |
| 22:56.45 | Shotygun | I got him a voip =) |
| 22:56.55 | jblack | his last mile problem is solved. |
| 22:57.05 | Shotygun | Yes, but that's not a customer, that's an office employee |
| 22:57.11 | Shotygun | There are also customers over there as well =) |
| 22:57.18 | jblack | but seriously. Calls are not analog any more, except for the endpoints, and sometimes not even then. |
| 22:57.34 | jblack | You can't get past your customer's equipment dude. Just can't. |
| 22:59.18 | Shotygun | https://sourceforge.net/projects/peaqb/ |
| 22:59.24 | Shotygun | Technically speaking, this is the solution to my problem |
| 22:59.52 | Shotygun | The problem is that the code isn't finished, it's from 2003 (which I had to fix some bits & bytes to make it compile) and it's segfaulting at a very critical part of the program. |
| 23:00.27 | Shotygun | It's very simple, it allows you to take a sample and compare it with somewhat "scrumbled" version of that sample so you can measure the quality. |
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| 23:00.53 | Shotygun | My plan was to determine termination problems by setting up reliable DIDs on my primary destinations and do analysis based on cron |
| 23:01.30 | Shotygun | But, as said, it's patented, where one company indicated me that just the oem license for it is $3k, and they wanted to sell me a solution for $60k, which is crazy |
| 23:01.55 | brodiem | Shotygun: a cheaper approach, but more reactive, would be to use a piece of software run specifically by the client to generate some numbers. like myvoipspeed.com for example |
| 23:02.11 | brodiem | Shotygun: let me guess, vqmon? |
| 23:02.24 | Shotygun | brodiem: No idea how they call it, a radvision solution. |
| 23:02.37 | brodiem | ah |
| 23:02.55 | Shotygun | There are apparently two companies (.de & .uk) that are sharing the patent over it |
| 23:03.07 | brodiem | Shotygun: you might check out telchemy.com but probably not cheap either |
| 23:03.39 | Shotygun | brodiem: I think that myvoipspeed's solution is IP to IP solution |
| 23:03.53 | Shotygun | MOS measurements |
| 23:04.43 | brodiem | ah my bad, I wasn't fully reading what you said you needed.. |
| 23:04.49 | jblack | by the way, shotygun: Did you consider establishing a phone system presence in each country? |
| 23:04.51 | Shotygun | Thanks though =) |
| 23:04.59 | jblack | You could avoid international rates that way. |
| 23:05.31 | Shotygun | jblack: Considered over primary destinations, but not big enough to go into that small adventure just yet. |
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| 23:11.09 | jblack | I'm bored. |
| 23:19.38 | jblack | durrrrhhhh. |
| 23:19.49 | jblack | It helps if your first priority is 1, rather than n |
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