| 00:07.06 | *** join/#asterisk mateo_au (n=mateo_au@12.144.159.231) |
| 00:13.17 | *** join/#asterisk korihor (n=korihor@190.78.32.60) |
| 00:24.43 | nr4q | anyone have a favorite voip provider? |
| 00:35.41 | hardwire | the manager api doesn't allow for dynamic sip account creation I'm guessing |
| 00:35.50 | hardwire | I didn't think it did.. but the digifolk may have added it behind my back |
| 00:35.56 | hardwire | because they knew it would be awesome one day |
| 00:37.23 | russellb | heh |
| 00:37.28 | russellb | i am aware that it would be awesome |
| 00:37.37 | russellb | it's not there exactly ... |
| 00:37.50 | russellb | but there is a manager API for reading/writing/modifying configuration files |
| 00:37.58 | russellb | so you can append to sip.conf from the manager interface |
| 00:38.26 | russellb | and then use the manager action to do a sip reload |
| 00:39.54 | russellb | hardwire: ^^^ |
| 00:40.34 | hardwire | russellb: I may use the manager api to append an include |
| 00:40.42 | hardwire | then modify the include |
| 00:41.12 | hardwire | UpdateConfig eh.. |
| 00:41.24 | hardwire | I could use realtime too.. since this is a db app |
| 00:41.40 | hardwire | I'm attempting to do some sort of evil the likes none of you have ever seen.. well.. some have. |
| 00:42.03 | hardwire | it would be neat to only require res_*.conf updates on top of a stock asterisk install. |
| 00:42.25 | *** join/#asterisk vrtk (n=bb@189.21.178.20) |
| 00:51.38 | jeev | wow. |
| 00:51.43 | jeev | mr woodcock is by far the dumbest movie ever |
| 00:51.45 | jeev | i can't believe i sat through it |
| 00:53.32 | hardwire | hmm |
| 00:53.36 | hardwire | updateconf needs a section |
| 00:55.20 | jaytee | russellb, where can I find documentation on the manager API? |
| 00:55.28 | jeev | jaytee, google it. |
| 00:55.28 | jeev | n00b |
| 00:55.41 | hardwire | jaytee: voip-info.org |
| 00:55.47 | russellb | jaytee: it's also in the book |
| 00:57.20 | jaytee | by the way, I really impressed the checkout girl at the supermarket tonight when I paid with my Praetorian Card, the translucent pink Amex card made from man-made pink diamond and a rare composite called "unobtanium". She was like "Wow! I've never seen one of these before! You must be someone REALLY important." |
| 00:57.45 | jeev | lol |
| 00:57.49 | jeev | slaps jaytee |
| 00:58.30 | jaytee | he had to get up on his high-chair to do that |
| 01:01.30 | hardwire | punches the manager api |
| 01:02.26 | hardwire | Message: Save of config failed |
| 01:02.29 | hardwire | :( |
| 01:03.23 | lirakis | I have a "Background" command that plays an IVR menu... but it doesnt give me any time to enter my command.. it always hangs up and cli shows "Auto fallthrough" |
| 01:03.40 | lirakis | ive done this a lot before .. i dont know why this is not working |
| 01:04.26 | jaytee | lirakis, are you using WaitExten? |
| 01:04.52 | hardwire | ok |
| 01:04.55 | hardwire | white space sensitive |
| 01:04.55 | jaytee | lirakis, never mind misread your sentence. Background takes a timeout IIRC |
| 01:05.21 | russellb | nah, add waitexten after background |
| 01:05.57 | lirakis | russellb: hmm .. ok |
| 01:08.09 | *** join/#asterisk Winkie (n=urmom@ur.fa.gs) |
| 01:10.28 | hardwire | realtime works just fine with odbc, right? |
| 01:11.31 | hardwire | and I don't think you can use sip templates on realtime peers, I'd imagine |
| 01:11.46 | *** join/#asterisk drmessano (n=nonya@c-76-125-26-150.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) |
| 01:12.37 | russellb | odbc is actually the preferred backend |
| 01:12.49 | russellb | and no templates with realtime, correct |
| 01:13.03 | hardwire | danke |
| 01:13.07 | hardwire | I prefer odbc as well |
| 01:13.13 | hardwire | django needs an odbc backend :) |
| 01:14.39 | *** mode/#asterisk [+o jeev] by russellb |
| 01:14.41 | *** mode/#asterisk [-o jeev] by russellb |
| 01:14.43 | russellb | sike |
| 01:15.10 | jeev | do you think about me now again |
| 01:15.15 | jeev | fireworks at lake michigan |
| 01:15.17 | jeev | or whatever |
| 01:15.25 | hardwire | nice.. UpdateConfig worked fine |
| 01:15.33 | hardwire | except for the part where it killed all the comments in the file. |
| 01:15.53 | hardwire | ala the append method |
| 01:15.55 | russellb | :( |
| 01:15.58 | russellb | i thought that was fixed |
| 01:16.10 | russellb | or rather, supported |
| 01:16.28 | hardwire | it removed the comments for the specific section |
| 01:16.33 | hardwire | everything in the head of the conf was fine |
| 01:16.43 | Qwell | maybe 1.6? |
| 01:16.54 | hardwire | and I can't seem to trix it into adding #include /tmp/blah.conf |
| 01:16.57 | russellb | maybe ... |
| 01:16.59 | hardwire | since it likes = signs |
| 01:17.00 | russellb | i don't remember |
| 01:17.12 | hardwire | but .. this is quite nice |
| 01:17.13 | russellb | oh, yeah, i bet it can't do that :( |
| 01:17.14 | hardwire | don't get me wrong |
| 01:17.42 | hardwire | I can effectively take over a stock asterisk install quite easily with this |
| 01:18.52 | hardwire | if I have CLI access I can update the root filesystem anyways, for the most part |
| 01:18.56 | hardwire | so.. hmm.. |
| 01:19.05 | *** mode/#asterisk [+o jaytee] by russellb |
| 01:19.12 | jeev | shit |
| 01:19.34 | hardwire | I totally awnt to make /etc/asterisk/sip.conf.d/*.conf :) |
| 01:19.56 | russellb | hm, there might be a way to add that transparently |
| 01:19.58 | *** join/#asterisk postel (n=jp@wikimedia/Postel) |
| 01:20.08 | hardwire | russellb: thats what I was a thinkin |
| 01:20.14 | hardwire | but I should just use realtime for those |
| 01:20.15 | russellb | so code loading "whatever.conf" would also check for "whatever.conf.d/*.conf" and append the results |
| 01:20.23 | russellb | would be a nice feature |
| 01:20.24 | hardwire | trying to figure out how to modify extconfig.conf |
| 01:20.29 | *** kick/#asterisk [tomleykus!n=jforde05@unaffiliated/jaytee] by jaytee (jaytee) |
| 01:20.31 | hardwire | yarly |
| 01:20.36 | jaytee | heheehe |
| 01:20.40 | *** mode/#asterisk [-o jaytee] by russellb |
| 01:20.41 | russellb | yay |
| 01:20.50 | hardwire | jaytee: going insane? |
| 01:20.53 | *** join/#asterisk stewie_griffin (n=email@unaffiliated/jeev) |
| 01:21.05 | jaytee | hardwire, hardly or at least not in a dangerous way |
| 01:21.42 | russellb | jeev: owned |
| 01:21.53 | hardwire | brb |
| 01:21.56 | jeev | nope |
| 01:27.15 | drmessano | We maxed out the Piggly Wiggly Black Card |
| 01:27.20 | drmessano | http://imagebin.org/26375 <--- |
| 01:28.29 | Nugget | lol |
| 01:28.37 | jaytee | drmessano, pfffft! I've got the Praetorian Translucent Pink Diamond Card, top that! There are only 30 in the world. It has a 10K a year annual fee but I'm so filthy rich I don't care! |
| 01:28.53 | jaytee | swaggers with overinflated self-importance |
| 01:28.58 | jeev | hey guys, i rollerblade and am STRAIGHT! |
| 01:29.16 | jaytee | what a coincidence! I do to and I'm also straight! |
| 01:29.37 | jeev | by the way, i'm not filthy rich |
| 01:29.40 | jeev | not yet! |
| 01:29.49 | jaytee | are you homophobic? |
| 01:29.58 | jeev | not really |
| 01:29.59 | drmessano | One fake credit card at a time? |
| 01:31.05 | jaytee | that's good then. prison won't be as tough to take when you go up the river for credit card fraud. |
| 01:31.56 | jeev | KIK |
| 01:31.57 | jeev | LOL |
| 01:32.00 | jeev | credit card fraud? wtf |
| 01:32.04 | drmessano | I have the overinflated self-important Wal-Mart Black Card. It has a $1765 limit and I get exclusives like a "hello" from the greeters, plastic shopping bags, and I can return anything I want within 30 days with a valid receipt and get my money back! |
| 01:32.04 | jeev | how do you figure ? |
| 01:33.39 | drmessano | My Uncle once told me "Having an AMEX isn't the secret to getting into chix panties.. Having a large PBX is the secret" |
| 01:33.52 | drmessano | Ok, we did think he was gay since we never, ever saw him with a woman |
| 01:33.56 | drmessano | But.. yeah |
| 01:34.20 | lirakis | ahh! autofallthrough=no |
| 01:34.25 | lirakis | thats what i was looking for |
| 01:34.32 | drmessano | Stop being so negative |
| 01:34.33 | lirakis | b/c ive never had to use waitexten before |
| 01:34.35 | drmessano | YES my friend |
| 01:34.36 | drmessano | YES |
| 01:34.40 | drmessano | Live=YES! |
| 01:34.52 | drmessano | Viva Les Villa Rocca! |
| 01:35.03 | *** join/#asterisk conathan (n=conathan@d205-250-158-50.bchsia.telus.net) |
| 01:35.44 | conathan | Greetings. Would this be a ok place to ask about voip problems with a pap2 box? (Used to have an asterisk server, but I dont have the luxery of that at the particular moment) |
| 01:37.27 | *** join/#asterisk fakhir (n=fakhir@unaffiliated/fakhir) |
| 01:37.41 | *** join/#asterisk Levonk (n=lk@adsl-76-227-117-86.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net) |
| 01:39.13 | *** join/#asterisk TrentCreek (n=kvirc@ppp-70-249-225-174.dsl.hrlntx.swbell.net) |
| 01:39.39 | jaytee | wow, Russian jetliner crashed. All 87 aboard presumed dead. |
| 01:39.56 | TrentCreek | another one? |
| 01:40.19 | jeev | jaytee, why do you talk to me about credit card fraud ? |
| 01:40.57 | TrentCreek | Who;s connected a SIP device to *? |
| 01:41.07 | jeev | everyone |
| 01:41.24 | TrentCreek | okay..refrase |
| 01:41.33 | TrentCreek | rephrase |
| 01:41.43 | TrentCreek | with login credentials |
| 01:41.47 | conathan | TrentCreek: me? |
| 01:41.48 | jeev | everyone |
| 01:42.13 | TrentCreek | I am trying to do it with login, so I can take it withme |
| 01:42.19 | TrentCreek | but it;s not connecting.... |
| 01:42.27 | TrentCreek | or should I say not loging in |
| 01:42.38 | *** join/#asterisk baliktad (i=baliktad@c-24-16-27-4.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 01:42.53 | conathan | TrentCreek: I'm connecting a SIP device (PAP2) to les.net (voip provider) *shrug*, which will get me going until I can get asterisk running again (once I can figure out why it keeps dropping the registration connection) |
| 01:43.26 | TrentCreek | oh..so you are having a problem also? |
| 01:44.10 | conathan | TrentCreek: yeah, it connects for a coupple minutes, then looses the connection & does not reconnect until I reset. Most likely a configuration issue on my end.\ |
| 01:44.12 | baliktad | I am trying to add the dialplan function func_curl to my asterisk, but menuselect will not allow me because of an unsatisfied dependency (option has XXX instead of [ ]) |
| 01:44.28 | baliktad | curl is installed and working on my system of course |
| 01:45.02 | TrentCreek | can i see example of your file? |
| 01:45.05 | jaytee | what about curl-devel or whatever it's called in your distro's repos? |
| 01:45.22 | baliktad | that's what I'm trying to get at... what is the real dependency |
| 01:45.30 | jaytee | don't know |
| 01:45.37 | jaytee | you're there, I'm not |
| 01:45.44 | conathan | TrentCreek: if you mean me, it's just a web interface on the device. |
| 01:46.16 | TrentCreek | you still have the configure the asterisk side |
| 01:46.49 | TrentCreek | oh..did you forget that? ;-) |
| 01:47.05 | conathan | TrentCreek: no asterisk here (: |
| 01:47.12 | jaytee | conathan, lotta good info on forum.voxilla.com for Linksys VOIP devices. |
| 01:47.37 | TrentCreek | i got linksys also |
| 01:47.38 | conathan | TrentCreek: well, aseterisk, but it's not running. I was going to get myself a nice atom miniitx board |
| 01:47.49 | conathan | jaytee: thanks |
| 01:47.53 | jaytee | yw |
| 01:48.04 | TrentCreek | i did something easy..I got a VPS for only $15 a month |
| 01:48.31 | TrentCreek | hight bandwidth and dont have to use now expensive electricity |
| 01:48.51 | baliktad | from where TrentCreek |
| 01:49.08 | TrentCreek | tektonic.com first month is 75% off |
| 01:49.10 | drmessano | You realize you pay for that bandwidth too? |
| 01:49.21 | TrentCreek | no I dont |
| 01:49.32 | TrentCreek | I get a LOT included |
| 01:49.48 | TrentCreek | more than I could use with voice , for now |
| 01:50.04 | drmessano | Hmm |
| 01:50.13 | TrentCreek | and I can get more CPU/memory/disk/ bandwith with a click of a button |
| 01:50.17 | drmessano | tektonic doesn't even load |
| 01:50.28 | TrentCreek | maybe I got it wrong..hang on |
| 01:50.42 | *** part/#asterisk lirakis (n=lirakis@cpe-68-175-38-65.nyc.res.rr.com) |
| 01:50.48 | baliktad | he meant .net |
| 01:50.53 | TrentCreek | http://www.tektonic.net/ |
| 01:51.04 | TrentCreek | i have been very happy with them. |
| 01:51.09 | TrentCreek | for 4 months now |
| 01:51.15 | *** join/#asterisk stencil (n=stencil@69-196-132-39.dsl.teksavvy.com) |
| 01:51.46 | TrentCreek | I got FrePBX installed...now trying to get the Linksys device to work on it |
| 01:51.51 | conathan | oh, here we go. can't connect to login server. Finally a error message I can google on the PAP2 (: |
| 01:51.52 | TrentCreek | * that is |
| 01:52.38 | conathan | TrentCreek: on asterisk, you just had to create a sip user... now I do have an example of that. 2sec. |
| 01:53.20 | TrentCreek | My local wally world has 2 Linksys PAP2 for Vonage at $20 each. I wonder if I should go get them |
| 01:53.29 | TrentCreek | conathan: okay..thanks |
| 01:53.56 | drmessano | V2 or V1? |
| 01:53.58 | TrentCreek | maybe I forgot to restart |
| 01:54.04 | conathan | [name] | type=friend | secret=[password] | qualify=yes | nat=no | host=dynamic | canreinvite=no | context=default | dtmfmode=rfc2833 |
| 01:54.06 | TrentCreek | drmessano: V2 |
| 01:54.09 | conathan | where | == \n |
| 01:54.09 | drmessano | Ugh |
| 01:54.13 | drmessano | Not worth it |
| 01:54.19 | TrentCreek | why not? |
| 01:54.22 | TrentCreek | $20? |
| 01:54.27 | drmessano | Pain in the ass to deal with |
| 01:54.48 | conathan | PAP2-NA here... what part's the pain? |
| 01:54.53 | TrentCreek | well I THINK they are version 2 because it says PAP2 |
| 01:54.53 | conathan | or is that what I'm dealing with? |
| 01:55.07 | drmessano | TrentCreek: PAP(2) doesnt mean VERSION 2 |
| 01:55.12 | drmessano | It means its a PAP2 |
| 01:55.24 | conathan | Firmware Version: 3.1.12(LS) |
| 01:55.30 | TrentCreek | oh,, well the boxed look like they ben sitting around for a couple of years |
| 01:55.43 | drmessano | Orange stripe on the box? |
| 01:55.45 | drmessano | Or grey? |
| 01:56.31 | TrentCreek | grey..because they look like mine |
| 01:56.43 | drmessano | It's a Version 2 then |
| 01:56.57 | TrentCreek | http://www.tektonic.net/ 500GB if bandwith...you could never use that on voice unless you have thousands of users |
| 01:57.00 | TrentCreek | oh |
| 01:57.10 | drmessano | Version 2 isn't really unlockable |
| 01:57.10 | TrentCreek | drmessano: why a pain? |
| 01:57.20 | drmessano | It's sorta kinda unlockable |
| 01:57.25 | drmessano | But not complete |
| 01:57.40 | TrentCreek | I was looking at http://www.vonage-forum.com/ftopic6794.html |
| 01:57.47 | drmessano | You can make a PAP2 v1 into almost an NA |
| 01:57.53 | TrentCreek | The guy shows Password |
| 01:58.08 | drmessano | That wont help you |
| 01:58.16 | drmessano | That's old and inaccurate |
| 01:58.36 | drmessano | A version 1 requires a TFTPd, DNSd, DHCPd, HTTPd, and some know how to unlock |
| 01:58.44 | drmessano | Not hard.. unless it's the first few times |
| 01:59.04 | TrentCreek | ouch |
| 01:59.06 | drmessano | They haven't been that easy to unlock in years |
| 01:59.18 | drmessano | But if you get it set up, you can unlock one in 5 mins |
| 01:59.22 | TrentCreek | well..guess I will just buy another for $50 |
| 01:59.36 | drmessano | The V2s suck.. I got one cheap |
| 01:59.48 | TrentCreek | from voipwharehouse |
| 02:00.20 | conathan | ok, one last question. |
| 02:00.23 | TrentCreek | i got one, and no problems |
| 02:00.39 | conathan | I have a linksys WRT54G, with about 2M free on the drive. |
| 02:00.58 | conathan | Previously, I ran a computer 24/7 with asterisk, just so I could ring multiple devices at the same time. |
| 02:02.23 | conathan | Would it be worth looking at installing asterisk (with less modules) on the WRT54G? (openwrt based linux system) or is it impossible to slim down that far? |
| 02:02.32 | TrentCreek | but now..who can afford the elctricity? |
| 02:02.38 | drmessano | It can be installed |
| 02:02.41 | drmessano | But.. |
| 02:02.49 | jblack | conathan: People do run * on the wrt54G. There's even a distro. |
| 02:02.50 | drmessano | You dont get a whole lot |
| 02:03.07 | jblack | I imagine it must be rather limited in order to leave room for at least some voice mail. |
| 02:03.11 | TrentCreek | i have the WRT54GC |
| 02:03.50 | conathan | jblack: thanks... *crosses his fingers* |
| 02:03.52 | jblack | It would be nice if somebody at linksys clued in and said "Hey? We could sell this thing without the antennas!" |
| 02:04.17 | conathan | jblack: oh, but how much power does asterisk needs, if it's in the middle like that? |
| 02:04.40 | *** join/#asterisk Obix (n=ben@216.166.138.25) |
| 02:04.44 | drmessano | Isnt asterisk always in the middle? |
| 02:04.50 | Obix | Hello, anyone around this evening? |
| 02:04.58 | Obix | :) |
| 02:05.05 | Strom_C | Obix: no |
| 02:05.06 | conathan | 20:04 -!- Irssi: #asterisk: Total of 226 nicks [8 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 218 normal] |
| 02:05.07 | Strom_C | we're all dead |
| 02:05.09 | jblack | conathan: I don't know how much power a wrt54g uses. Probaby less than a watt. |
| 02:05.19 | conathan | jblack: was thinking processing power (: |
| 02:05.20 | jaytee | there is no one here but bots |
| 02:05.34 | conathan | Obix: I cannot let you do that dave |
| 02:05.43 | drmessano | 1.21 Jigawatts |
| 02:05.57 | Obix | is that the stareing into space with no response :| |
| 02:06.25 | jblack | This one surprised me. my 22" lcd uses 20 watts of power. |
| 02:06.57 | jblack | which leaves me wondering how much the TV I have uses. |
| 02:07.15 | Obix | does anyone here know if I need a special IP phone to handle IAX2, or will a SIP phone work? |
| 02:07.27 | *** join/#asterisk imcdona (i=imcdona@imcdona.broker.freenet6.net) |
| 02:07.47 | drmessano | My old CRT used 160 watts |
| 02:08.15 | conathan | Obix: What are you trying to do? |
| 02:08.16 | jblack | obix: A phone would need to have IAX2 support to support IAX2. |
| 02:08.17 | drmessano | I think my 22" lcd uses 20 |
| 02:08.50 | jblack | Hmmm. a TV is really just a CRT with low resolution. |
| 02:08.55 | jblack | How many inches was your crt? |
| 02:09.01 | TrentCreek | jblack: They do sell them without antennas...they are called wired routers ;-) |
| 02:09.29 | Obix | I am getting a service with Teliax, they support both SIP/IAX2, i'm inclined to go with IAX2 and wondering what phone to get |
| 02:09.35 | jblack | TrentCreek: The concept, not the equipment. |
| 02:10.23 | Obix | there are ton's of SIP phones out there, but relatively few IAX2 it seems like |
| 02:10.26 | drmessano | BEFSR42 would rock |
| 02:10.59 | jblack | obix: That would be correct. IAX2 is rather new, and was initially designed to be the "Inter-Asterisk eXchange". |
| 02:11.30 | drmessano | You dont need a SIP phone to use IAX2 with a provider |
| 02:11.32 | drmessano | Just use it |
| 02:11.42 | Obix | yep, seems dominate in England and Europe, and I would like to try it out |
| 02:11.45 | drmessano | Errr |
| 02:11.53 | drmessano | You dont need an IAX2 phone to use IAX2 with a provider |
| 02:12.07 | Obix | drmessano: I don't ? |
| 02:12.12 | drmessano | Phone <> SIP <> Asterisk <> IAX2 <> Provider |
| 02:12.12 | jblack | obix: Use sip phones to talk to *, and * to talk to the provider with either IAX2 or SIP |
| 02:12.29 | drmessano | Asterisk is a switch |
| 02:13.03 | Obix | yep, i've got a Trixbox all ready, so I can get pretty much any IP phone then? (SIP) |
| 02:13.08 | drmessano | It doesn't care if your phone is IAX2 or SIP, and doesn't care if your provider is IAX2 or SIP.. Set the peers up and make it happen |
| 02:13.17 | drmessano | oh lord |
| 02:13.29 | Obix | Yes? |
| 02:13.31 | drmessano | Federal Law prohibits me from continuing this conversation |
| 02:13.31 | Obix | :D |
| 02:13.34 | conathan | BTW, one thing I never got answered clearly, what advantages does iax2 have over sip, on the * -> voip provider section? |
| 02:13.40 | jaytee | ululates and shakes his scimitar at the infidel that mentioned Trixbox. |
| 02:14.07 | drmessano | I am not allowed to talk about the 't' product due to pending limitation |
| 02:14.09 | Obix | i read some great articles on SIP vs IAX2, was pretty convincing |
| 02:14.24 | drmessano | Sorry :( |
| 02:14.33 | Obix | lol, so what's the 'speakeasy' on T? |
| 02:14.47 | drmessano | ..... |
| 02:14.58 | Obix | ok, just * then |
| 02:15.17 | jaytee | Obix, just go to #trixbox and you'll find yourself at home. |
| 02:15.23 | Obix | is it better to go with * then a trixbox gui? |
| 02:15.31 | drmessano | I'm not going to jail for you |
| 02:15.36 | drmessano | No way |
| 02:15.38 | Obix | lol, i'm new to this so please educate me! |
| 02:15.40 | TrentCreek | conathan: I hear the advantage is the other way around |
| 02:15.41 | drmessano | Not going back to prison, ever |
| 02:16.07 | jaytee | Obix, depends on your preference I guess. Some like deep tissue massage, other rough anal sex. |
| 02:16.14 | conathan | goes to start installing asterisk on his WRT54G |
| 02:16.23 | conathan | hmm, why do they only have 1.2... |
| 02:16.32 | jaytee | 1.2 what? |
| 02:16.43 | drmessano | You can use other GUI's that don't require the anal massage that _______ puts one through |
| 02:16.46 | TrentCreek | conathan: I have yet to get IAX2 to functon, even with settings provided by service proivder |
| 02:16.47 | drmessano | Damn, think I said too much |
| 02:16.48 | conathan | astterisk 1.2 |
| 02:16.56 | Obix | asterisk is all cl isn't it? |
| 02:16.58 | jaytee | where? asterisk.org? |
| 02:17.05 | conathan | jaytee: openwrt's opkg list. |
| 02:17.17 | drmessano | waits for the "IAX2 doesn't work convo" |
| 02:17.19 | conathan | goes off to find offlist pkg's |
| 02:17.22 | jblack | obix: Yes, asterisk is. |
| 02:17.23 | jaytee | ah, they're behind the times |
| 02:18.12 | jaytee | under moderate loads IAX2 works fine for me between servers. |
| 02:18.18 | Obix | Trixbox is behind the times? |
| 02:18.25 | drmessano | No, it's evil |
| 02:18.32 | jaytee | no, openwrt's package list |
| 02:18.58 | Obix | lol, so you guys are recommending that I go with a straight Asterisk box? |
| 02:19.00 | jaytee | Trixbox is just alot of cruft masquerading as a usable gui on top of asterisk |
| 02:20.14 | Obix | i'm fine with going with cl, I was lead to believe it was the same thing with a gui |
| 02:20.39 | drmessano | Ok, I am completely violating a Royal Canadian Court Ordered Writ Of Legal Non-Disclosure here, but Obix, trixbox sucks.. it sorta uses FreePBX, which I personally think is a decent GUI, but adds a lot of crap that involves selling your soul, sending anonymous information from your box for every install, etc.. Your choice to go GUI or non-GUI, but you don't need trixbox to go GUI.. |
| 02:20.50 | drmessano | Trixbox isn't a GUI, it's spyware |
| 02:20.57 | drmessano | I am so going to prison |
| 02:20.57 | *** join/#asterisk nephfl (n=none@wsip-98-175-64-66.ga.at.cox.net) |
| 02:21.03 | jaytee | I keep forgetting that |
| 02:21.08 | conathan | drmessano: how much if my sole worth anyway? |
| 02:21.21 | conathan | soul |
| 02:21.28 | Obix | lol, i'll never tell :D |
| 02:21.29 | jaytee | depends on what you paid for the shoes in the first place |
| 02:22.00 | Obix | what is a respectable gui for asterisk, freepbx? |
| 02:22.22 | jaytee | vim |
| 02:22.25 | nephfl | >obix oooh don't say gui in here they'll crucify you |
| 02:22.35 | drmessano | GUI's are a bit of a rub being discussed in here.. I personally like FreePBX.. but that's as much as I can say |
| 02:22.43 | drmessano | Just.. dont use trixbox |
| 02:22.45 | drmessano | Please |
| 02:22.49 | drmessano | I know it's pretty |
| 02:22.51 | drmessano | and green |
| 02:22.52 | jaytee | heretic!!! stone him!!!!!!! |
| 02:22.57 | conathan | wait, it's green? |
| 02:23.02 | drmessano | It's very green |
| 02:23.09 | conathan | peeks in the forbidden trixbox |
| 02:23.18 | conathan | eep, it got loose |
| 02:23.25 | Obix | ok no more T. is Asterisk itself based on CentOS? |
| 02:23.27 | drmessano | It's Green Wackadoo Apple Dapple Kool-Aid Green |
| 02:23.37 | drmessano | Asterisk is an application |
| 02:23.38 | jaytee | green as in color layout, not in "environmentally responsible and power conserving" |
| 02:23.45 | drmessano | It's not based on a distro |
| 02:23.50 | conathan | I like the color green (: |
| 02:23.51 | nephfl | >obix yeah, trix box will install in like 30 mins and have you up and running without any real thought, and there is the crux, they dont want you back in here asking the basics because you installed something in production you know nothing about |
| 02:23.59 | Qwell | conathan: you won't after seeing this green |
| 02:24.16 | drmessano | trixbox is a crap way to go about getting into asterisk |
| 02:24.19 | jaytee | Obix, CentOS is a linux distro. Asterisk is a voip pbx toolkit application to build your own voip pbx. |
| 02:24.29 | drmessano | Fonality shoehorns too much BS into it |
| 02:24.58 | Obix | what is a recommended distro for a cl install of * |
| 02:25.01 | drmessano | Upgrade problems, broken RPMs, Fonality's extremely shit Quality Control, etc |
| 02:25.02 | jaytee | Obix, Asterisk runs on CentOS or Red Hat or Debian or whatever flava of distro you choose. |
| 02:25.17 | drmessano | Avoid trixbox like the plague |
| 02:25.20 | jaytee | Obix, I prefer CentOS but your mileage may vary. |
| 02:25.27 | Obix | will do :) |
| 02:25.30 | conathan | Obix: Worksk well on LFS |
| 02:25.51 | conathan | Obix: apparantly openwrt as well, but I am having issues finding a source for 1.4 pkg's at the moment. I have been assured that they exist though (: |
| 02:25.54 | nephfl | >obix and trixbox is a installable image that contains centos trixbox freepbx, hud, polycom provisioning all in working order with an easy to use gui...just dont do it! |
| 02:25.59 | Obix | LFS? I'm not familiar with that distro, is it light? |
| 02:26.04 | conathan | oh yeah (: |
| 02:26.08 | conathan | sortof like gentoo |
| 02:26.12 | conathan | without the automatic installer |
| 02:26.28 | jaytee | LFS=Linux From Scratch |
| 02:26.36 | Qwell | conathan: or the live CD... |
| 02:26.51 | conathan | I wouldn't recomment LFS for your requiraments |
| 02:27.01 | conathan | hugs his LFS system (: |
| 02:27.01 | Obix | Gentoo... automatic installer... i thought it was all razor blades and clamps :D |
| 02:27.06 | drmessano | Sure nephfl, nothing like installing a system that ANY update will BREAK, bad RPMs, a bad weekend and they've wiped out your config by accident, the phone home script, the forked FreePBX they can't seem to update |
| 02:27.11 | drmessano | You're a fanboy.. GTFO |
| 02:28.43 | drmessano | Kerry just called, he changed the shade of green on one of the buttons and asked for you to come beta test it.. even though it may make your PBX unbootable.. (<KerryG> WHY DIDNT YOU MAKE A BACKUP, ERR, I MEAN NO ONE UPGRADES A PBX, ERR, WHY DIDN YOU UPGRADE) |
| 02:28.46 | Obix | I'd like a light distro that will handle it from cl, something debian based, like xfce / dsl / slack |
| 02:28.56 | Obix | i know slack isn't debian... |
| 02:29.09 | nephfl | ive done asterisk on redhat a few times, trixbox probably 4 or 5 times, asterisk/vicidial(another unmentionable) probably twice... i wouldnt complain about trixbox for bad upgrades etc.. each of these projects has had the same trouble |
| 02:29.40 | jaytee | I'm running * on RHEL5 64 bit with no troubles. |
| 02:30.26 | drmessano | lol |
| 02:30.32 | TrentCreek | what log can I look at to see if I am getting errors as to why my sip device is not connecting? |
| 02:30.47 | conathan | TrentCreek: what is your SIP device? |
| 02:30.56 | Obix | would it run alright on a base debian install? |
| 02:30.59 | TrentCreek | PAP2T |
| 02:31.18 | conathan | Obix: when it comes down to it, asterisk can probably be installed on any linux distribution out there, and run exactly the same |
| 02:31.24 | drmessano | Yeah.. they didn't include a phone-home script and not tell the users, ignore security holes, fork FreePBX to keep from getting shit in the community over not supporting it |
| 02:31.36 | jaytee | Obix, lotta people run * on debian |
| 02:31.41 | drmessano | Naah.. trixbox's issues have been "a few bad updates" |
| 02:31.43 | drmessano | Whatever |
| 02:31.51 | TrentCreek | conathan: PAP2T |
| 02:32.14 | mateo_au | TrentCreek, typing "sip debug" into your asterisk console sometimes gives a clue |
| 02:32.24 | jaytee | lol |
| 02:32.45 | conathan | TrentCreek: I went to the status page on mine, to find out what the error message was. You can also run the asterisk with a few -v's, to enable additional verbosity. It's how I normally troubleshoot my rpoblems |
| 02:32.50 | Obix | good stuff, thx you guys, you've been a ton of help, I guess i'll get a cheap SIP phone and try running both SIP/IAX2 with the provider to see which performs the best |
| 02:32.56 | drmessano | checks if nephfl is one of the "Kerry can do no wrong" guys from the trixbox.org forums |
| 02:33.56 | TrentCreek | conathan: doing that now |
| 02:33.59 | jaytee | the Kerryphiles don't bother me half as much as the "Stallman is GOD!!!" acolytes. |
| 02:34.03 | nephfl | did anyone also say sip debug mode to trentcreek? |
| 02:34.33 | mateo_au | You may need to enable console debug logging in your logger.conf, though |
| 02:34.49 | jaytee | nephl, doesn't your trixbox chat window include a scrollback buffer? |
| 02:35.07 | TrentCreek | it took "sip debug" |
| 02:35.19 | TrentCreek | but nothing is showing up |
| 02:36.34 | jaytee | port 5060 open on your firewall? |
| 02:37.01 | jaytee | oh, wait! I forgot this is the PAP2 channel, never mind. |
| 02:37.21 | mateo_au | PAP2? |
| 02:37.39 | nephfl | remember, i use trixbox, im too lazy to scroll back |
| 02:37.41 | jaytee | mateo_au, it's called sarcasm |
| 02:38.06 | mateo_au | sorry, I'm new -- what's PAP2? |
| 02:38.11 | TrentCreek | correct |
| 02:38.20 | TrentCreek | jaytee: and no firewall is setup |
| 02:38.30 | jblack | wonders why jaytee calls pap2's "sarcasm" |
| 02:38.32 | jaytee | mateo, a Linksys device for SIP with FXS ports, basically an ATA with a router. |
| 02:38.40 | conathan | mateo_au: basically a box that can connect to a SIP provider, and has 2 FXS ports |
| 02:38.46 | jaytee | jblack, um you took that totally out of context |
| 02:38.50 | mateo_au | tnx jaytee |
| 02:38.53 | jaytee | but thanks for caring |
| 02:39.02 | Obix | Nephfl, aren't you afraid that the 'open-port-buggie-monsters' will get you? |
| 02:39.03 | conathan | mateo_au: Supose to be used to connect up to 2 lines to a internet voip provider. I like using it for asterisk (: |
| 02:39.22 | jblack | A poor communication is the fault of the communicator! :) |
| 02:39.40 | *** join/#asterisk Levonk (n=lk@adsl-76-230-110-77.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net) |
| 02:39.42 | jblack | nyah nyah. (btw, jaytee rocks) |
| 02:39.55 | Obix | i'm writting that one down jblack ;D |
| 02:39.59 | mateo_au | how much does one of these ATAs go for these days? |
| 02:40.05 | drmessano | nephfl: You can be as indignant as you want about Trixbox, but you obviously have no clue of the history like some of us do.. If you did your research you would find that there's other competing distros out there that work 10x better that include F__PBX, but instead you want to be a little fanboy about it and show us how little you know. |
| 02:40.17 | jaytee | Voip store has em for 49.95 |
| 02:40.24 | conathan | mateo_au: *shrug*, no clue. Had this for a few months. No problems, until I took asterisk out of the picture (: |
| 02:41.02 | nephfl | lol, im not a fanboy, which rolled distro do you prefer? |
| 02:41.06 | drmessano | Ok, thats enough of me trying to educate the masses.. I think the Royal Canadian Mounted Police just called here looking for me |
| 02:41.28 | conathan | drmessano: you educated me, I now know what trixbox is "Begins the download" |
| 02:41.34 | nephfl | only good option ive heard here is to just write your own |
| 02:41.41 | jblack | so what if he loves trixbox? Why is he here? Shouldn't he be off in #trixbox? |
| 02:41.51 | drmessano | jblack: Indeed |
| 02:42.35 | nephfl | and you cant say there hasnt been huge arguments about where asterisk went wrong in new versions.. (i dont do this full time, so you are right about me not knowing everything) |
| 02:42.49 | drmessano | nephfl: Sorry, the free education is over. You seem to have it all figured out. Go Google or just keep enjoying your trixboxes.. See you in about 6 months when you wise up |
| 02:43.01 | drmessano | ZOMG wut? |
| 02:43.07 | jblack | nephfl: I know of very few perfect things in this world. Why are you here, if you think * is going in the wrong direction? |
| 02:43.09 | drmessano | Asterisk going wrong in new versions? |
| 02:43.26 | jaytee | I just picked up a new scifi novel at B&N tonight titled, "Trixbox, The Future Of Phony" by NoReally Press. |
| 02:43.41 | drmessano | 1.4 has been stable as hell as of late, minus a bump here and there.. Certainly a shit of a lot better than it was early on |
| 02:43.44 | drmessano | you have to be crazy |
| 02:43.57 | nephfl | i was going to ask a sorta off the wall question that im pretty sure nobody here has played with but thought id ask again anyhow |
| 02:44.13 | conathan | Forgive me for asking, but does anyone know of a package of 1.4 asterisk for openwrt? |
| 02:44.27 | jblack | jaytee: I can't find it at bn.com |
| 02:45.03 | nephfl | is 1.4 the latest version? |
| 02:45.05 | drmessano | i think we should have a nice spirited discussion about how Wine has gone downhill since 1.0 |
| 02:45.20 | drmessano | Not that it has |
| 02:45.20 | jaytee | jblack, are you kidding? you've been in this channel for a long time now and I can't believe your that gullible. |
| 02:45.20 | nephfl | lol |
| 02:45.22 | jblack | Huh.I thought wine was supposed to get better with age. |
| 02:45.41 | TrentCreek | Now where are those connection logs for *? |
| 02:45.42 | *** join/#asterisk sucituanbo (n=free@c-24-21-121-148.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 02:45.46 | jblack | jaytee: You mean I shouldn't trust your words? |
| 02:46.10 | drmessano | jblack: Wine 1.1 could potentially be far worse than any version of Wine since 0.30 |
| 02:46.19 | jaytee | jblack, only if I'm trying to help with a real * problem. the rest of the time I'm the first to admit I'm a sarcastic asshole and proud of it. |
| 02:46.22 | drmessano | Not that it actually IS |
| 02:46.24 | jblack | looks at drmessano for psychiatric counseling. |
| 02:46.45 | nephfl | i was curious if anyone know any thing about modulation/demodulation of transtelephonic ecg? |
| 02:47.11 | jaytee | ecg? |
| 02:47.16 | mateo_au | I'd suggest using G.711 codec for that |
| 02:47.17 | jblack | drmessano: I'm really confused! jaytee says I shouldn't trust everything he says. Can I trust a "dont trust me" statement? |
| 02:47.52 | jblack | spirals into the insanities of paradox |
| 02:48.01 | nephfl | um yeah ecg...the heart thingy that doctors use...there are some open projects for linux, but i dont know if there is an app to demodulate transtelephonic ecg, so you could build an asterisk receiving station |
| 02:48.07 | drmessano | jblack: Just like the obituaries that the media outlets keep current for all celebrities, I think tech media always keeps the doom and gloom obit for the newest version of any software package ready for the day it's released. "Asterisk 1.8: What went wrong?" |
| 02:48.41 | jblack | Bah. Free software never dies. Empirical Proof: The Hurd is still in active development. |
| 02:49.01 | drmessano | "Why Firefox 3.7 is the worst Firefox yet" |
| 02:49.07 | drmessano | But |
| 02:49.09 | conathan | looks at SCO's version of linux... |
| 02:49.17 | drmessano | Unlike Obituaries that are based on Life/Death |
| 02:49.29 | drmessano | You can STILL release the software obit |
| 02:49.36 | drmessano | Just to stir controversy |
| 02:49.53 | Obix | could someone update me... Is it possible to use OpenWRT to put Asterisk directly into a device like the WRT54G? |
| 02:49.55 | jblack | conathan: That's not "Free software" but "a collection of free software with proprietary software". Different animals. |
| 02:50.00 | nephfl | what is it about computers people, i mean is there a rule that we all have to be assholes? especially once you start with linux.. |
| 02:50.14 | mateo_au | You want * to capture the egc audio, or do you want * to interpret it and tell you if you're about to keel over? |
| 02:50.17 | drmessano | nephfl: Are you calling us all assholes? |
| 02:50.26 | drmessano | nephfl: Sweet talking me will get you nowhere |
| 02:50.30 | jblack | He said "we". Perhaps he meant his family |
| 02:50.40 | jaytee | my work is mostly a MS Windows shop and just recently word came down from on high (clueless assholes with VP titles that have no clue about technology) that they want to run Google Chrome as a browser. |
| 02:50.55 | nephfl | i want asterisk to capture the audio, and use another project to demod it, so i can write a script to do it all |
| 02:51.15 | drmessano | If you're gonna call me an asshole, please check with my wife to see if it's been done in the last 30 minutes. I can't take the buffer overrun |
| 02:51.22 | jblack | nephfl: Ok. Look at the Monitor() application, or the Record() application. |
| 02:51.33 | nephfl | >drmessano , no i just notice a strong corrollation, ive had 4 employees quit on me in the last week or so, citing that reason |
| 02:51.33 | Obix | {{{could someone update me... Is it possible to use OpenWRT to put Asterisk directly into a device like the WRT54G?}}} :D |
| 02:51.38 | jaytee | so now our entire IT department has to load the beta and test all our web apps and Sharepoint services to make sure it's compatible. |
| 02:51.53 | jaytee | nothing like letting the retards drive the bus. |
| 02:51.54 | TrentCreek | Oneone else got ideas on how to see why SIP device is not connecting? |
| 02:51.55 | drmessano | nephfl: That you're an asshole? |
| 02:52.00 | nephfl | yes |
| 02:52.02 | jblack | nephfl: Standard troubleshooting technique would dictate that the one common factor (you) would be the problem. |
| 02:52.03 | drmessano | nephfl: Perhaps you need to talk to someone |
| 02:52.15 | jblack | Perhaps he just needs to stfu. :) |
| 02:52.28 | jblack | Keep his mouth shut, and collect the money his employees makes for him. |
| 02:52.30 | mateo_au | TrentCreek, I'd suggest sniffing your ethernet interface to see if the SIP packaets are arriving at your Linux box |
| 02:52.38 | mateo_au | (ie. use tcpdump or similar) |
| 02:52.46 | nephfl | naa... they say it is all of us..that we are condescending to the new people...etc... |
| 02:52.56 | drmessano | nephfl: If you had 4 people quit because you're an asshole, you probably are... being a trixbox fanboy just backs that up |
| 02:53.20 | nephfl | i have no problem recording, my problem has nothing to do with asterisk..i just wanted to see if any of you guys had done it so you could point me to another package |
| 02:53.23 | TrentCreek | mateo_au: I am sure they are..the SIP device works fine and I put in the correct info in |
| 02:53.25 | drmessano | nephfl: Maybe trancendental meditation would help |
| 02:53.29 | Obix | OMG you guys are brutal! |
| 02:54.35 | jaytee | nephl, for your audio issue, Record(), System(), bash scripts with sox would probably work. |
| 02:54.36 | drmessano | Obix: Brutal? No one has ever quit working for me because I am an asshole. I actually feel better about me. I have 3 people that can quit because I am an asshole before I need to feel as bad as nephfl |
| 02:54.40 | drmessano | My day just got 10x better |
| 02:54.48 | drmessano | IM GONNA GO PLAY THE LOTTERY |
| 02:55.22 | nephfl | lol, naa it couldnt be me...has to be those little bastards, never get anything right... actually 2 of them went back to school, 1 couldnt handle the pressure...only one or two have mentioned that im an ass... but they have no previous work experience...so i just figure they havent had a REAL asshole boss yet |
| 02:55.42 | drmessano | Sounds like denial to me |
| 02:56.00 | drmessano | Maybe they objected to the trixboxes |
| 02:56.04 | nephfl | well, ive never denied that im an asshole... |
| 02:56.05 | nephfl | lol |
| 02:56.07 | conathan | well, enough fun for today, |
| 02:56.11 | mateo_au | In your logger.conf file, does the "console =>" line include "debug"? |
| 02:56.11 | nephfl | trixbox was over their head |
| 02:56.12 | conathan | Thanks everyone. |
| 02:56.35 | drmessano | Maybe the workers comp claims for the green GUI were taking too long to process |
| 02:56.44 | conathan | now, if only I could find the asterisk14 packages for openwrt... my day would be perfect |
| 02:56.44 | jaytee | drmessano, I made several lottery bets tonight. Because you're a funny sob to BS with if I win we're goin drinkin till the cows come home. Drinks are on me and I don't own any cows so bring a strong liver. |
| 02:56.52 | nephfl | lol, workers comp? 1099 baby... |
| 02:57.00 | drmessano | lol |
| 02:57.42 | drmessano | if you win the lottery, we need to buy a trixbox appliance and get pics of us dressed in Penguin suits peeing on it and then setting it on fire |
| 02:57.48 | drmessano | While VERY drunk |
| 02:57.48 | *** part/#asterisk conathan (n=conathan@d205-250-158-50.bchsia.telus.net) |
| 02:58.02 | jaytee | drmessano, if I win it's a done deal. |
| 02:58.05 | drmessano | YouTube #1 vid for the week |
| 02:58.14 | jaytee | hehehe |
| 02:58.19 | drmessano | We're gonna be Interfamous! |
| 02:58.36 | nephfl | mabye i should put together a test box and just see what happens when i try to output a file using a wav input from asterisk with the open ecg stuff...maybe there is just an option or something |
| 02:58.38 | jaytee | better than a Chris Farley Matt Foley video |
| 02:58.59 | drmessano | "ZOMG 2 TUXS PEING ON A TRIXBOX LOLZ" |
| 02:59.07 | drmessano | Thats the title |
| 02:59.14 | jaytee | hahahahaaaaaaa |
| 02:59.19 | drmessano | Including the one E |
| 02:59.33 | mateo_au | nephfl, if the open ecg packages don't accept .wav, then "sox" is a good utility for changing sound file formats |
| 02:59.38 | jaytee | perfect title! |
| 02:59.56 | nephfl | its not a format problem, its that the ecg is modulated to send over phone |
| 03:00.01 | nephfl | so it needs to be demodulated |
| 03:00.11 | nephfl | to get the heart monitor waveform |
| 03:00.48 | drmessano | I guess at some point Fonality will get tired of my constant tb bashing and have me killed. Richard Stallman will hopefully save me. |
| 03:00.53 | mateo_au | It's an FM signal, right? |
| 03:01.07 | mateo_au | or is it digital? |
| 03:01.30 | nephfl | it is fm...they use an analog receiving station usually.. |
| 03:01.38 | jaytee | ah! so ecg means echo cardio gram? why does all the medical literature and forms always say EKG instead? Is it because doctors suck at spelling as much as lawyers? |
| 03:01.56 | nephfl | lol |
| 03:02.01 | drmessano | You're gonna need at least 4 channels for a decent EKG |
| 03:02.46 | nephfl | they use either 2 or 4 clips, and it is modulated and transmitted over phone to a receiving station that prints it on a strip |
| 03:03.00 | nephfl | then they hand it to a dr |
| 03:03.01 | jaytee | drmessano, we'll both be dead because Nortel/Pingtel will have hit men out gunning for me for migrating all their Meridian users to Asterisk. |
| 03:03.09 | drmessano | 2 or 4? |
| 03:03.14 | drmessano | 3 or 4 |
| 03:03.24 | nephfl | they are switching to a USB version instead of analog because they dont make them anymore..but this seems like something asterisk could easily do |
| 03:03.31 | nephfl | no 2 or 4 |
| 03:03.33 | jaytee | 5 to 1, half dozen of the other |
| 03:04.00 | mateo_au | Ok, so you need a little DSP program that can demodulate an analogue FM -- doesn't sound too difficult to write. |
| 03:04.19 | drmessano | You mean someone actually uses 2 lead for something in this century? |
| 03:04.28 | mateo_au | You just feed it through a high pass filter, yes? |
| 03:04.49 | nephfl | this is for a regional Veterinary heart institute |
| 03:05.14 | jaytee | "Ok, let's see.....fifth of Jack Daniels, sixpack of Bud Light, two packs of Doral and a bag of pretzels. That'll be lebenty-leven, and a buck three eighty you owe me." |
| 03:05.19 | nephfl | how many leads do you need on a cat to determine you can sedate it for surgery? |
| 03:06.18 | jaytee | I have two cats and if they ever needed surgery they'd be shit out of luck |
| 03:06.25 | nephfl | idunno, would have to ask the tech...im just a consultant...dont know all that much about ecg and pets |
| 03:06.42 | nephfl | they have a cardiologist an oncologist and several others on staff at this place |
| 03:07.03 | nephfl | they also want a dicom server for storing pet ultrasounds |
| 03:07.20 | jaytee | and people in Hell want ice water |
| 03:07.34 | nephfl | most of our medical customers are for people, but this place has the exact same tech for pets |
| 03:08.03 | drmessano | Salt, Pepper, Ketchup FTW |
| 03:08.03 | jaytee | nephl, I'm just kidding. I work at a zoo and we have all kinds of awesome tech for our vet hospital. |
| 03:08.17 | nephfl | yeah, its pretty cool |
| 03:08.49 | nephfl | this place staffs 5 or six phone techs receiving ecg from wherever for the cardiologist |
| 03:09.06 | jameswf-home | ice water in hell? |
| 03:09.17 | jaytee | about 3 months ago I got to ride an African elephant at work. I could barely walk for like 3 days afterwards. |
| 03:09.58 | jameswf-home | I live in a zoo |
| 03:10.05 | jaytee | jameswf-home, it doesn't exist there but the residents want it. they also want air-conditioning too. |
| 03:10.26 | nephfl | they are going to use a usb based system to connect to pots..but i just thought it would be fun to script up a test box to see if asterisk could do it on the cheap, but could never implement it because it isnt approved |
| 03:10.27 | jaytee | jameswf-home, you're from Cleveland? |
| 03:10.38 | jameswf-home | Worse Arizona |
| 03:10.52 | jaytee | oh, yeah, Mr Depends country |
| 03:10.57 | drmessano | 2 and 4 lead must be some veteriarial crap |
| 03:11.00 | drmessano | err |
| 03:11.05 | drmessano | veterinarial |
| 03:11.26 | TrentCreek | Anyone else? View where I can see errors for SIP device not connecting? |
| 03:11.53 | jameswf-home | sip debug |
| 03:12.06 | jaytee | "Hi! I graduated bottom of my class from Annapolis, crashed 5 jets before being taken prisoner during Vietnam and I'm so old I'll probably die within the first 2 years of my first term but I wanna be your President!" |
| 03:12.22 | nephfl | i could get the details on the devices...i just dont have em right this minute...and i know jack about what they really do...just seems like if it is transmitted over the phone, i should be able to record it easily, and it shouldnt be too hard to find something to demodulate it into a strip |
| 03:12.33 | TrentCreek | jameswf-home: Sip debug is reporting nothing |
| 03:12.47 | drmessano | Well, in human medicine, 3, 6, and 12 lead EKGs are common |
| 03:12.52 | nephfl | >trentcreek then you got no sip |
| 03:13.06 | drmessano | Trust me, I can administer both |
| 03:13.33 | mateo_au | TrentCreek, did you check the "console=>" line in your logger.conf file to see if it sends debug to console? |
| 03:13.58 | TrentCreek | let me see |
| 03:14.05 | TrentCreek | where is it located? |
| 03:14.11 | nephfl | >drmessano honestly they could be completely wrong about the number of leads...i know very little about it...just trying to find software background... ill make some notes this week, so i dont have to depend on my faulty memory |
| 03:14.18 | mateo_au | nephfl, the GNU radio package may be useful in demodulating your FM |
| 03:15.25 | drmessano | Is it sent over RF? |
| 03:15.27 | mateo_au | it's meant for RF, but it may be possible to get the back end to do what you want |
| 03:15.47 | nephfl | i would probably have to know alot of tech details about how it is modulated |
| 03:16.00 | mateo_au | Otherwise maybe you could use Octave to manipulate the .wav samples |
| 03:16.34 | drmessano | I would think AFSK would be the best way to do it |
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| 03:17.08 | mateo_au | but we are talking analogue signals, not digital, so FSK does not apply |
| 03:17.12 | TrentCreek | mateo_au: okay...i just enabled and reloaded...still nothing |
| 03:17.16 | jameswf-home | rumor has it obama is about to throw it all away and show he is not ready by dropping biden for hillary.... the dems have a beter chance if they drop obama biden for hillary-? |
| 03:17.27 | mateo_au | try "sig debug" |
| 03:17.32 | drmessano | I'm talking about converting them mateo_au |
| 03:17.36 | mateo_au | "core set debug 4" |
| 03:17.45 | drmessano | I know it's not digital |
| 03:17.50 | mateo_au | "core set verbose 4" |
| 03:17.51 | drmessano | It's a flipping EKG |
| 03:18.44 | drmessano | But sending simple amplified analog is dangerous at best |
| 03:19.22 | mateo_au | yes, but we are talking about an old technology here |
| 03:19.22 | drmessano | You need error correction |
| 03:19.22 | Alton2 | trentcreek: is the bind= in sip.conf ok? not excluding any addresses maybe? |
| 03:19.22 | TrentCreek | mateo_au: "sip debug" is enabled |
| 03:19.25 | drmessano | mateo_au: You need to go read up on EKGs |
| 03:19.26 | TrentCreek | Alton2: let me look |
| 03:19.58 | mateo_au | yes doctor! :-) |
| 03:20.45 | TrentCreek | Alton2: bindaddr = 0.0.0.0 ; Address to bind to (all addresses on machine) |
| 03:20.46 | mateo_au | I had a friend who had an EKG monitor, it made a god-awful noise when he uploaded it, sounded just like an analog FM signal |
| 03:20.46 | Alton2 | also, use this form to enable sip debug: sip set debug ip x.x.x.x |
| 03:20.50 | jameswf-home | does he ekg have rs232 |
| 03:21.34 | nephfl | rs232? why? |
| 03:21.36 | drmessano | "An EKG monitor" is meaningless. That's like saying "I have a friend who owned a computer, and it had punchcards" |
| 03:21.40 | drmessano | They've evolved |
| 03:22.03 | jameswf-home | you can buy a small adapter and push rs232 over eherne |
| 03:22.10 | jameswf-home | no voodoo invlolved |
| 03:22.17 | mateo_au | TrentCreek, if you still don't get any SIP messages on your console, you need to sniff your interface to verify if the packets are getting to your nachine. Then you will know where to focus your investigation |
| 03:22.28 | TrentCreek | mateo_au: ok |
| 03:22.56 | nephfl | they want to use the existing transtelephonic ecgs...i just want to record them with asterisk...and demodulate them with a linux script... |
| 03:23.18 | nephfl | the device on the remote end takes the ecg, and modulates it to the audible range |
| 03:23.21 | mateo_au | Most probably. I bow to your superior knowledge, dr messano |
| 03:23.27 | jameswf-home | There is a erm TNF |
| 03:23.36 | jameswf-home | *term |
| 03:26.05 | nephfl | what is that acronym? |
| 03:27.28 | drmessano | Method: Frequency Modulation Center Frequency: 1500 Hz (± 1%) Deviation: 100 Hz/mV (± 1%) Speed: 1 to 1 Transmission (Standard) or Quad Speed Transmission Protocol (Optional) |
| 03:27.42 | jameswf-home | technicaly non-Feasible means will requrre $10,000 investment for $1000 result |
| 03:27.48 | drmessano | So AFSK centered at 1500HZ |
| 03:28.17 | mateo_au | no, that's not AFSK, that's analogue FM |
| 03:28.33 | drmessano | God damnit |
| 03:28.37 | nephfl | lol |
| 03:28.45 | mateo_au | :) |
| 03:28.46 | drmessano | That IS NOT |
| 03:28.52 | drmessano | Thats AUDIO TONES over a PHONE LINE |
| 03:29.01 | drmessano | WHICH IS AUDIO FREQUENCY SHIFT KEYING |
| 03:29.05 | drmessano | AFSK |
| 03:29.09 | drmessano | Get a book |
| 03:29.16 | jameswf-home | OMFGBBQ |
| 03:29.31 | mateo_au | They are not discrete tones, they are continuously variable (at the rater of 100Hz/mV) |
| 03:32.14 | jameswf-home | At some point if you have to say F**k it you cant have i cause I cant do it or you have to say this is going to cost alot of money and hire a consultant |
| 03:32.28 | nephfl | im trying to guess the name of the device they use and find it on google |
| 03:32.57 | nephfl | >james are you talking to me? |
| 03:35.41 | nephfl | whered everybody go...was there a split? |
| 03:35.51 | mateo_au | don't think so |
| 03:36.40 | nephfl | guess everyone found something more entertaining to do |
| 03:36.44 | mateo_au | I think james was talking to you -- sounds like it might be difficult unless you are comfortable hacking DSP |
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| 03:39.00 | mateo_au | I did something like that for my thesis project some years ago |
| 03:39.44 | nephfl | have you checked out the open ecg projects to generate strips? |
| 03:40.51 | nephfl | its like i have wav/gsm, but the input for that script is from hardware... so there should be a way i can just remodulate the sound and then use their software to generate the strip...sounds simple enough just that dreaded step 2 |
| 03:40.56 | mateo_au | my thesis project was about digital modems, not ecg, so I haven't looked into that side of it |
| 03:42.50 | nephfl | seems like if the telco's packet switched network can carry enough data to carry analog ecg, that asterisk could record sufficently to produce similar quality |
| 03:43.01 | jameswf-home | http://1dak.com/other/the-wonders-of-mathematics/ <mathgeeks |
| 03:43.36 | mateo_au | yes, that's why I said before to use G711 codec -- if you use lossy compression codecs, you'll distort the signal |
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| 03:56.52 | mateo_au | nephfl, looks like GNU octave will demodulate an fm signal for you -- check out the fmdemod() function |
| 03:57.28 | mateo_au | You could feed the output into GNUplot to recover the waveform |
| 03:58.21 | nephfl | their are open source projects to plot and analyze the data, i just dont think they accept modulated input in wav form, they are expecting data points from a sound card stored in standard formats |
| 03:58.25 | nephfl | ther |
| 03:58.27 | nephfl | there |
| 03:59.24 | mateo_au | yes, you may need to massage the input a bit, maybe use sox to convert it to raw form -- you need to see what type of data input octave will accept |
| 04:00.06 | nephfl | i guess step one is getting a transmitting ecg device...take sample input...build asterisk test box..record to file |
| 04:00.15 | nephfl | then try to get it in a format the other programs will like |
| 04:00.21 | mateo_au | exactly |
| 04:00.31 | mateo_au | sund like you have a way forward, at least |
| 04:00.53 | nephfl | yeah, i have three boxes i Could test on, but im sure my boss would be pissed if he found out |
| 04:01.15 | nephfl | those are reserved for bugging the shit out of people..lol |
| 04:01.15 | mateo_au | what bosses don't know won't hurt then, eh? |
| 04:01.25 | jaytee | nephfl, do what I do, don't tell him |
| 04:01.36 | JT | nephfl: what telco packet switched network are you refering to? |
| 04:02.11 | nephfl | idunno...arent they all packet switched now?...i dont know much about phone stuff |
| 04:02.44 | JT | no, they're mostly tdm |
| 04:02.49 | JT | that's circuit switched |
| 04:02.55 | JT | and atm is cell switched |
| 04:03.32 | nephfl | hmm... i thought telcos switched to ip backbones for their core networks |
| 04:03.50 | JT | lol voip equipment vendors wish |
| 04:03.58 | JT | i doubt the take up is as high as they proport |
| 04:04.16 | mateo_au | it is a growing trend, however |
| 04:04.25 | mateo_au | there's still a lot of ATM out there, though |
| 04:04.30 | nephfl | idunno, i just remember seeing it on tv years ago...someone walking through a telco talking about how they switched to all ip and it was the future |
| 04:04.34 | JT | atm isn't tdm |
| 04:04.54 | nephfl | atm is nasty |
| 04:05.04 | JT | nasty? |
| 04:05.11 | nephfl | nevermind |
| 04:05.19 | JT | uhuh |
| 04:05.40 | JT | best not make statements you aren't willing to expand upon |
| 04:05.59 | nephfl | i bought a knockoff tdm400 from someone and they send a tdm4xx...i think they were advirtising a direct swap, but that obviously wasnt the case |
| 04:06.27 | nephfl | atm, came up from that last jay and silent bob movie, it is a sexual reference |
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| 04:06.58 | nephfl | i need to learn how to spell |
| 04:07.02 | mateo_au | must have missed that movie :-) |
| 04:07.15 | nephfl | atm - ass to mouth |
| 04:07.43 | JT | rimming, hey what's the problem if the area is cleaned first :P |
| 04:07.44 | mateo_au | sometimes it's best not to expand on statements you make ;-) |
| 04:08.22 | nephfl | atm means anal sex and then phallatio |
| 04:08.44 | nephfl | not rimming, that would be analengus |
| 04:09.36 | nephfl | isnt it funny how latin can make everything so clean and non-vulgar? |
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| 04:11.30 | TrentCreek | who has used tcpdump |
| 04:11.46 | nephfl | i wonder how hard it would be to put together a wrtasterisk and use the leds for controlling relays, like home control, etc |
| 04:11.48 | JT | who hasn't? ;) |
| 04:11.58 | nephfl | my apartment is a tcpdump |
| 04:12.18 | TrentCreek | nephfl: Acutally the people who now speak Italian and Spanish was once considered "Vulgar Latin" |
| 04:12.42 | nephfl | nice, i bet they were into atm |
| 04:13.26 | nephfl | have you guys used one of those tdm415 or whatever they are? the tdm400 module doesnt seem to find it |
| 04:14.50 | mateo_au | What is it? is it an E1/T1 card for your PC? |
| 04:15.29 | nephfl | tdm400? 4 port fxs/fxo |
| 04:16.14 | mateo_au | can't say I've tried it |
| 04:18.09 | mateo_au | TrentCreek, do you need help with tcpdump? |
| 04:18.21 | TrentCreek | yeah... |
| 04:18.30 | TrentCreek | I was trying to pick only port 5060 |
| 04:18.48 | JT | port 5060 |
| 04:18.55 | TrentCreek | so I can see what the sip device is doing |
| 04:18.56 | JT | that's the filter syntax |
| 04:19.11 | mateo_au | tcpdump -i eth0 port 5060 |
| 04:19.13 | JT | man tcpdump |
| 04:19.22 | mateo_au | (if your ethernet card is /dev/eth0) |
| 04:19.50 | mateo_au | If you can use Wireshark, it is probably easier |
| 04:20.04 | mateo_au | not if you don't have it, then it is not so convenient |
| 04:20.06 | TrentCreek | Wireshark...hmmm.. |
| 04:20.35 | TrentCreek | let me see if it is in that new updater |
| 04:20.56 | mateo_au | it is a GUI version of tcpdump (roughly speaking) |
| 04:21.14 | TrentCreek | ohh..cant use it then...its a remote server |
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| 04:21.29 | nephfl1 | damned disconnect |
| 04:21.56 | mateo_au | that's ok. If you just want to see if packets are arriving, tcpdump will quickly tell you. |
| 04:22.23 | mateo_au | If you want to look into the contents of the packets, use tcpdump to capture, transfer back to your PC and open with wireshark |
| 04:23.21 | nephfl | i need a program to rebuild the transmissions for wireshark, so you can see the porn it sniffs |
| 04:23.40 | JT | err |
| 04:23.47 | JT | wireshark can do that by default i thin k |
| 04:23.52 | JT | or maybe it's plugins |
| 04:24.01 | JT | it can show you .jpgs it pull off the wire |
| 04:24.02 | nephfl | i looked at it for 2 seconds and didnt see it |
| 04:24.05 | JT | and audio from voip calls |
| 04:24.38 | nephfl | one of the guys that we share a building with wanted to know why his internet is so slow, so i installed wireshark, but didnt get a chance to get it to show him the porn the other guys are streaming |
| 04:25.29 | nephfl | he called my boss all pissed off at me because his internet was slow, he went into one of his designers offices and looked at a computer and he had a torrent downloading porn |
| 04:25.50 | nephfl | i told him he should fire the guy just because he should know to just stream the porn instead of wasting bandwidth |
| 04:25.50 | mateo_au | lol |
| 04:26.06 | Wayhigh | so I was just at the movies and I gotta tell ya.. there's no more satisfying place to have bad gas.. |
| 04:26.17 | nephfl | lol |
| 04:26.19 | jaytee | lol |
| 04:26.21 | Wayhigh | you know that people just aren't gonna go anywhere.. |
| 04:26.30 | jameswf-home | heh |
| 04:26.52 | JT | stream porn wastes more bandwidth especially if you're going to watch it more than once |
| 04:26.52 | nephfl | i think the last time i went to the movies the guy on the other side of the girl i was with was fondling her... |
| 04:27.13 | Wayhigh | I mean.. I floated a friggin' deathhead man.. I swear the guy next to me lost 2 layers of skin from it.. and no one moved.. |
| 04:27.19 | nephfl | if she wasn't a dirty whore and wasnt into it, i probably would have gotten angry |
| 04:27.23 | jaytee | "If you take sexual advantage of that woman, you're going to hell, a special level of hell reserved for child molesters and people that talk at the theater." - Firefly |
| 04:27.26 | nephfl | nice |
| 04:27.31 | TrentCreek | mateo_au: okay...now what..it's just sitting there |
| 04:27.54 | mateo_au | make the phone do something (try to register, try to make a call) |
| 04:27.54 | nephfl | >trent you broke it |
| 04:28.11 | nephfl | did he say it was a linksys phone? |
| 04:28.22 | TrentCreek | yep and no broke |
| 04:28.35 | nephfl | then it really should be very simple |
| 04:28.37 | jameswf-home | i think theater seaes have built in methane filters |
| 04:28.39 | nephfl | on the same subnet? |
| 04:28.45 | Yourname` | http://pastebin.ca/1202308 problem with trying to stream MOH. Why God, why? |
| 04:28.48 | TrentCreek | no |
| 04:29.01 | TrentCreek | it is set to register, but nothing |
| 04:29.02 | nephfl | naa...its just they have so much ass smell already that its hard to override the default funk |
| 04:29.32 | nephfl | yeah, i steamed MOH once...it worked fine, until it didnt anymore |
| 04:29.44 | mateo_au | try power-off/power-on the phone |
| 04:29.48 | Yourname` | Weird, eh. |
| 04:30.06 | TrentCreek | tcpdump -i venet0 port 5060 |
| 04:30.06 | TrentCreek | tcpdump: WARNING: arptype 65535 not supported by libpcap - falling back to cooked socket |
| 04:30.07 | TrentCreek | tcpdump: verbose output suppressed, use -v or -vv for full protocol decode |
| 04:30.07 | TrentCreek | listening on venet0, link-type LINUX_SLL (Linux cooked), capture size 96 bytes |
| 04:30.07 | TrentCreek | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:30.10 | nephfl | i figured it wasnt worth the payoff to worry about streaming moh |
| 04:31.08 | Yourname` | Well, looks like it's been a menace since 1.2 |
| 04:31.12 | nephfl | >trent you have double checked all of the basics, ips, subnets, etc? |
| 04:31.14 | Yourname` | No one talks about it in 1.4 |
| 04:31.27 | mateo_au | can you ping the phone from asterisk? |
| 04:31.39 | TrentCreek | 0 packets captured |
| 04:31.39 | TrentCreek | 2 packets received by filter |
| 04:31.39 | TrentCreek | 0 packets dropped by kernel |
| 04:31.52 | Wayhigh | so I just saw Burn After Reading and it was friggin' awesome man |
| 04:31.58 | TrentCreek | nephfl: no because it is on a nat |
| 04:32.05 | TrentCreek | mateo_au: on a nat |
| 04:32.11 | [TK]D-Fender | TrentCreek: You tcpdump-ing on your * box? |
| 04:32.13 | nephfl | i setup a little wifi dlink flipphone...it was pretty neat |
| 04:32.21 | TrentCreek | [TK]D-Fender: yes |
| 04:32.37 | [TK]D-Fender | TrentCreek: total waste. jsut do "sip debug" from * CLI |
| 04:32.50 | nephfl | >trent your asterisk box is hosted or something? |
| 04:32.52 | TrentCreek | [TK]D-Fender: I didm but nothing comes up |
| 04:33.08 | TrentCreek | nephfl: no...but I have it on a hosted server |
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| 04:33.11 | [TK]D-Fender | TrentCreek: nothign coming up means nothign coming in. Check your routing & firewall |
| 04:33.28 | [TK]D-Fender | treTCPDUMP won't say more than * will. Less in fact |
| 04:33.56 | Wayhigh | philippel: Thanks for making those mods to put cdr dir under the freepbx security restrictions |
| 04:34.55 | mateo_au | what if you type "iptables -L" at the Linux prompt? |
| 04:35.40 | nephfl | there ya go...danged linux firewall...who needs filters, i want my net raw and unfiltered |
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| 04:40.27 | Yourname` | Seems like streaming would work only with one specific version of mpg123. |
| 04:40.31 | jaytee | I think I mentioned the firewall about 2 hours back. "No one listens to Zathras! Zathras doesn't mind though" |
| 04:40.31 | nephfl | can you buy raw wrt hardware without an enclosure? |
| 04:40.33 | TrentCreek | [TK]D-Fender: Not a firewall issue |
| 04:40.34 | Yourname` | And that one has timing issues, just perfect. |
| 04:41.19 | TrentCreek | No firewall is setup on the * box |
| 04:41.40 | [TK]D-Fender | treTHEN ITS SOMETHING ELSE IN THE MIDDLE |
| 04:41.50 | [TK]D-Fender | dang caps & auto-complete.. |
| 04:42.09 | nephfl | >trent is this a true dedicated box/ip that isnt port blocked or anything? |
| 04:42.32 | TrentCreek | [TK]D-Fender: the SIP device has 2 lines...one is connected to another VIOP service...working fine |
| 04:42.48 | TrentCreek | nephfl: yes...I have not even setup a firewal yet |
| 04:42.57 | [TK]D-Fender | TrentCreek: then its not point to your box properly |
| 04:43.14 | [TK]D-Fender | TrentCreek: Lack of packets says to stop looking at the box past iptables. |
| 04:43.24 | mateo_au | do you have a PC behind the same NAT device from which you can ping your * box? |
| 04:43.37 | [TK]D-Fender | TrentCreek: So something is wrong from the phone to the switch leading to your *. Take your pick as to what it may be |
| 04:43.45 | TrentCreek | yes |
| 04:43.56 | TrentCreek | mateo_au: yes..i am connected to it now |
| 04:44.06 | nephfl | did you try it as line1? |
| 04:44.19 | TrentCreek | [TK]D-Fender: Iptables not installed |
| 04:44.40 | [TK]D-Fender | TrentCreek: well your problem is somewhere else then. Start with the phone itself |
| 04:44.51 | nephfl | are you doing host.allow/deny? |
| 04:44.53 | TrentCreek | no...because eaerlier I had it working on yet another service..worked fine |
| 04:44.58 | TrentCreek | nephfl: no |
| 04:45.13 | TrentCreek | phone works fine |
| 04:45.19 | mateo_au | Are you pointing the phone to an IP or to a hostname? |
| 04:45.35 | TrentCreek | hostname |
| 04:45.46 | [TK]D-Fender | TrentCreek: I don't care that the first reg works fine. Nit-pick EVERYTHING from the very beginning |
| 04:45.55 | nephfl | did you try ip? |
| 04:46.04 | TrentCreek | nephfl: not yet |
| 04:46.07 | mateo_au | is DNS properly configured on the phone? |
| 04:46.26 | TrentCreek | yes...as mentioned...it was using 2 other voip services..worked fine |
| 04:46.33 | nephfl | i had an unreliable dns today that was a pain... i would definately give ip a try |
| 04:46.42 | TrentCreek | ok |
| 04:46.51 | [TK]D-Fender | TrentCreek: go prove they didn't make a typo in it. |
| 04:46.57 | mateo_au | And you can resolve the hostname from your PC (eg. with nslookup) |
| 04:47.07 | TrentCreek | yes |
| 04:47.08 | nephfl | in my case it was the authoritative dns for my hostname, so it would work with others names just not mine |
| 04:47.42 | mateo_au | Do you have an outbound proxy setting enabled on the phone that may be sending the packets somewhere else? |
| 04:48.42 | nephfl | oh yeah, earlier when you did a pcap, you should have gotten Something anyway if you were connected with ssh.. |
| 04:48.52 | nephfl | but that isnt important |
| 04:48.59 | mateo_au | no, cos he filtered on port 5060 |
| 04:49.04 | nephfl | ah |
| 04:49.09 | nephfl | i wasnt paying That much attention |
| 04:49.16 | nephfl | i was self absorbed |
| 04:50.49 | nephfl | did you netstat to see if asterisk is listening? |
| 04:50.49 | [TK]D-Fender | TrentCreek: Go test with another phone. |
| 04:50.57 | [TK]D-Fender | TrentCreek: Somewhere else ont he net |
| 04:51.41 | TrentCreek | I think phone is working fine...It was working with 2 other VOIP providers before I changed line 2 to use the * system |
| 04:52.58 | nephfl | could try a softphone for fun |
| 04:53.01 | mateo_au | can you put a soft client (eg. X-lite) on your PC, and try to get it to register with asterisk? |
| 04:53.39 | TrentCreek | this phone was working with my other * box when I had it up |
| 04:53.49 | mateo_au | (you can then sniff the PC with wireshark. If it is sending ok, but asterisk is not receiving, then there is a firewall screwing you over) |
| 04:54.19 | TrentCreek | mateo_au: no firewal is even installed |
| 04:54.38 | mateo_au | not on your equipment, in your service provider's network somewhere |
| 04:54.43 | nephfl | >trent have you used this host before for asterisk? |
| 04:54.51 | [TK]D-Fender | TrentCreek: Ok you are jumping around the same set of circumstances and getting nowhere. Stop now. Set up another phone of somekind SOMEWHERE ELSE and try to get it to connect. |
| 04:54.54 | nephfl | >trent is it real or virtual host? |
| 04:55.09 | TrentCreek | virtual |
| 04:55.11 | TrentCreek | okay |
| 04:55.32 | nephfl | who is the provider? |
| 04:56.29 | nephfl | some virtual hosts require the company to open the ports for you (if they will) |
| 04:56.50 | mateo_au | or else you can use another port besides 5060 |
| 04:58.53 | TrentCreek | nephfl: no..on this host I have full control |
| 04:58.59 | nephfl | some "virtual" servers, arent really virtual machines at all, just a chrooted type system, so you dont really get full access to all of the system.. i know plesk/whatever they were using was that way last i used it... |
| 04:59.27 | TrentCreek | nephfl: this one is really a virtual server |
| 04:59.54 | nephfl | cool, did you host your last asterisk there? |
| 04:59.57 | TrentCreek | I am messing around with FreePBX...no place to enter in a "username" for the extension |
| 05:00.09 | TrentCreek | nephfl: no...my machine at home |
| 05:00.26 | TrentCreek | I did reg via IP address of the SIP device |
| 05:00.43 | nephfl | did it show anything in sip debug this time? |
| 05:00.52 | TrentCreek | no |
| 05:01.16 | nephfl | and there is no nat at the host end, and you are using the public ip of the asterisk box on your phone? |
| 05:01.47 | nephfl | i know it is a silly question, but ive seen people do odd things... |
| 05:01.58 | mateo_au | no, he is using an fqdn |
| 05:02.10 | nephfl | he said he tried ip |
| 05:02.15 | mateo_au | ok |
| 05:02.29 | nephfl | i think ip simplifies things, takes out one more point of failure |
| 05:02.37 | mateo_au | yes |
| 05:02.42 | [TK]D-Fender | TrentCreek: Go test it as I suggested |
| 05:02.45 | TrentCreek | nephfl: Correct...I tried UP |
| 05:03.34 | mateo_au | I'd go for softclient/wireshark next, to get a better handle on what is going out |
| 05:03.40 | nephfl | i assume you checked with the host to make sure they will let you use asterisk right? (i know another silly question) |
| 05:03.58 | TrentCreek | I got a softphone as suggested |
| 05:04.10 | TrentCreek | nephfl: I can use whatever I want on it |
| 05:04.38 | TrentCreek | using GreePBX, but no place to enter a USERNAME |
| 05:04.47 | TrentCreek | oops.. FREE PBX |
| 05:04.58 | mateo_au | just unplug the SIP phone and use that account |
| 05:06.04 | TrentCreek | what "account?" |
| 05:06.21 | mateo_au | the extension username/password you set up for the sip phone |
| 05:06.27 | nephfl | did you set up an account in extensions in free pbx? or sip.conf? |
| 05:06.35 | TrentCreek | yes |
| 05:06.58 | *** join/#asterisk coppice (n=chatzill@177.162.17.210.dyn.pacific.net.hk) |
| 05:07.01 | TrentCreek | but no place in FreePBX for a USERNAME as softphone wants |
| 05:07.02 | nephfl | that is the account it wants..your extension info |
| 05:07.17 | nephfl | sure there is its just not called username |
| 05:07.42 | mateo_au | your extension number is probably your username |
| 05:07.58 | jameswf-home | ~freepbx |
| 05:07.59 | jbot | [~freepbx] FreePBX is unable to be supported here. It is made up of complex dialplans and scripts which can't be easily supported by people who aren't deeply involved. Try joining #freepbx and asking there |
| 05:08.06 | [TK]D-Fender | goes off to do something productive. |
| 05:08.10 | TrentCreek | mateo_au: Hey that worked! |
| 05:08.24 | nephfl | what worked? the extension as the username? |
| 05:08.28 | mateo_au | the soft client registered? |
| 05:08.30 | TrentCreek | yes.. |
| 05:08.33 | nephfl | lol |
| 05:08.33 | TrentCreek | yes |
| 05:08.36 | TrentCreek | freaky |
| 05:08.47 | mateo_au | ok, so the network is ok |
| 05:08.55 | nephfl | so, correct the typo on your device |
| 05:09.03 | mateo_au | it's a configuration issue on your sip phone |
| 05:09.04 | TrentCreek | yes |
| 05:10.45 | TrentCreek | okay..thanks guys..the SIP device is working fine now |
| 05:10.52 | nephfl | was it a typo |
| 05:10.53 | mateo_au | well done |
| 05:11.04 | mateo_au | congrats |
| 05:11.10 | nephfl | it usually is |
| 05:11.14 | TrentCreek | yes because I never knew ext = username |
| 05:11.58 | nephfl | hmmm... the more fun part is reliable trunking |
| 05:12.43 | TrentCreek | well, |
| 05:13.03 | TrentCreek | I will leave that up to you guys also once I get a good provider |
| 05:13.35 | jameswf-home | WOW |
| 05:13.38 | nephfl | TK will be sending his bill |
| 05:16.12 | *** join/#asterisk obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) |
| 05:16.26 | TrentCreek | hehe |
| 05:16.49 | TrentCreek | Anyone use http://www.carriexchange.com? |
| 05:16.57 | Wayhigh | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080912/ap_on_fe_st/odd_crude_dude;_ylt=AkcV6R17InB3Y0MKrQsnoRAuQE4F |
| 05:17.03 | nephfl | ive used vtwhite and teliax |
| 05:17.49 | TrentCreek | Carrie is a place were the host gets providers and clients together... |
| 05:18.10 | nephfl | vtwhite kinda sucked |
| 05:18.14 | nephfl | teliax was better |
| 05:18.22 | TrentCreek | all service goes through them so it can provide a small guy with bulk pricing without buying bulk |
| 05:19.06 | nephfl | sounds like a bad idea |
| 05:19.40 | TrentCreek | why> |
| 05:19.48 | nephfl | well good idea for the company bad idea for customers.. |
| 05:20.10 | Wayhigh | bad because you're adding more latency? |
| 05:20.35 | nephfl | usually paying a broker for what you can buy openly jacks price...and then "real time switching", is that something that you select or do they hop you around from bad provider to bad provider? |
| 05:22.08 | nephfl | as far as bulk rates...that may work for costco, but im suspicious in voip, since trunking is near utility termination rates anyhow..i dont think utility rates are variable based on volume, except in peering |
| 05:22.26 | nephfl | but im no expert |
| 05:22.37 | TrentCreek | the billing goes through them, but the routes do not |
| 05:22.46 | Wayhigh | some people can't stand paying $35 per trunk just to test the shit out and see if it works :) |
| 05:23.09 | nephfl | if it works out cool let me know |
| 05:23.21 | nephfl | especially if you have really high call volumes |
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| 05:23.31 | TrentCreek | not yet,.but I will |
| 05:23.39 | Wayhigh | I'm trying to figure out what places compete with didxchange |
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| 05:24.51 | nephfl | why, how many numbers do you have? |
| 05:25.23 | Wayhigh | nephfl: because I've seen a few places with the same did in my ratecenter and it's not didx |
| 05:25.51 | Wayhigh | so basically I'm trying to figure out how I can find it direct or closer to direct |
| 05:26.13 | nephfl | i wonder how hard it is to become a clec |
| 05:26.31 | Wayhigh | heh |
| 05:26.33 | TrentCreek | i heard lots of $$$ and equipment |
| 05:27.07 | Wayhigh | I've heard that trentcreek has all that gear in his basement |
| 05:27.11 | nephfl | i know it is difficult to be an ilec because you have to have all that power and everything, but i remember when it first got deregulated that clecs didnt have to have as much |
| 05:27.14 | TrentCreek | yes...my parents basement |
| 05:27.19 | nephfl | because they could sell une |
| 05:27.48 | Wayhigh | yeah.. parents basement.. amidst all the D&D campaigns |
| 05:27.54 | nephfl | im in florida, we dont have basements, it is such a letdown |
| 05:28.21 | Wayhigh | where in FL? |
| 05:28.28 | nephfl | gainesville |
| 05:28.34 | Wayhigh | I'll be flying back to Melbourne on Monday |
| 05:28.44 | nephfl | ah |
| 05:28.51 | mateo_au | are you a fellow aussie Wayhigh? |
| 05:29.00 | nephfl | yeah, im sure you are looking to get back into the sauna |
| 05:29.03 | Wayhigh | no.. Melbourne, FL |
| 05:29.09 | Wayhigh | although I've been to melbourne, AU also |
| 05:29.16 | mateo_au | cool |
| 05:29.20 | nephfl | this place is like a sauna with mosquitos |
| 05:29.24 | Wayhigh | I spent a couple months in australia |
| 05:29.33 | mateo_au | holidays? |
| 05:29.37 | nephfl | i say that because ive been working outside all week pulling cable |
| 05:29.42 | Wayhigh | coogie beach in sydney for about 3 weeks |
| 05:29.46 | mateo_au | nice |
| 05:29.54 | mateo_au | I'm from Sydney myself |
| 05:30.19 | Wayhigh | sort of.. I was on a round the world trip.. my wife was finishing school in .au and she didn't want me to go with her so I went to thailand instead (we were just dating at the time) |
| 05:30.21 | nephfl | the airport here (where i have been pulling cable) has these giant prehistoric looking mosquitos...they are like an inch long... |
| 05:30.40 | Wayhigh | after awhile in thailand I couldn't take not seeing her so I flew there |
| 05:31.05 | Wayhigh | meant to stay for only a week but my fight got cancelled so I stayed 3.. |
| 05:31.07 | nephfl | speaking of thailand, have you seen the mouth swabs that are like a pregnancy test for HIV? |
| 05:31.30 | Wayhigh | went back to thailand.. then back to .au |
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| 05:31.42 | Wayhigh | nope.. haven't seen those but it sounds cool |
| 05:32.21 | Wayhigh | lord knows there's enough sex in thailand.. |
| 05:32.38 | Wayhigh | although.. the best places are all no-farangs-allowed |
| 05:32.41 | nephfl | yeah, you could totally pretest thai prostitutes... results in like 20 mins... (wait that documentary on kids of brothels was india wasnt it?) |
| 05:32.42 | Wayhigh | (so I hear) |
| 05:33.12 | Wayhigh | I damn near got raped in .th.. |
| 05:33.24 | TrentCreek | so you were making those ladyboy films, eh? |
| 05:33.26 | TrentCreek | ;-) |
| 05:33.31 | Wayhigh | drunk chick followed me home.. |
| 05:33.41 | nephfl | lol sweet, arent the guys there little like japanese people... |
| 05:33.49 | Wayhigh | could have been a ladyboy.. never got close enough to find out |
| 05:33.51 | nephfl | but the women ive seen photos of look rough |
| 05:33.55 | nephfl | third world sex is scary |
| 05:34.10 | Wayhigh | werd.. i agree |
| 05:34.31 | Wayhigh | gotta keep it in your pants man.. |
| 05:34.34 | nephfl | you dont have to worry about the usual stuff like here, there you worry about the plague |
| 05:34.47 | Wayhigh | ahhahaha |
| 05:35.03 | Wayhigh | there's worse things I bet |
| 05:35.04 | nephfl | i hear you have to go through like 30 shots to visit... |
| 05:35.12 | Wayhigh | no.. that's not true |
| 05:35.15 | nephfl | and they want you to wear a biohazard suit while you are there |
| 05:35.16 | Wayhigh | they recommend it |
| 05:35.20 | Wayhigh | but you don't have to |
| 05:35.34 | Wayhigh | I didn't get shots.. |
| 05:36.11 | nephfl | i read about a training camp over there, they were like, we provide an "escort" so you dont get into trouble... and im thinkin, if you need a bodyguard just to get to a school from a hotel, it might not be a great place |
| 05:36.29 | nephfl | that and it was like $1000/month or something |
| 05:36.53 | Wayhigh | yeah that was probably a bogus lie setup to fleece americans |
| 05:37.09 | Wayhigh | most of the pro camps are $150-250/mo.. and free to fighters |
| 05:37.12 | nephfl | probably, and there probably isnt a hot wife waiting for me there either |
| 05:37.39 | nephfl | lol you are talking about a fighting camp? |
| 05:37.45 | Wayhigh | yeah |
| 05:37.51 | nephfl | im talking about a microsoft camp...lol... |
| 05:37.58 | Wayhigh | ahahaha |
| 05:37.58 | nephfl | what channel do you think you are in? |
| 05:38.07 | nephfl | lol |
| 05:38.21 | Wayhigh | I figured people here were past their toddler years |
| 05:38.33 | nephfl | althought that would be a fun trip... |
| 05:38.42 | nephfl | i could just see my fat ass in a fighting camp |
| 05:38.49 | *** join/#asterisk Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff-emeritus/bhaal) |
| 05:39.11 | nephfl | is that what you were there for? |
| 05:39.20 | Wayhigh | yeah |
| 05:39.31 | Wayhigh | I've trained in muay thai for a long time |
| 05:39.39 | nephfl | are you saying only toddlers look at ms camps? |
| 05:40.12 | Wayhigh | I'm saying that MS is for kids, yes. |
| 05:40.28 | nephfl | lol, what do you do? |
| 05:40.52 | Wayhigh | "software engineer" |
| 05:41.03 | nephfl | yeah, no thanks, ill stick with ms crap |
| 05:41.13 | nephfl | although i do have to write a program for TSA by the end of the month |
| 05:41.30 | Wayhigh | funny.. I used to work for them |
| 05:41.35 | nephfl | cool |
| 05:42.23 | nephfl | this one is just for the local airport for compliance with the new standard being enforced by TSA(or whatever) for the no-fly/selectee list |
| 05:42.26 | Wayhigh | i'd probably say bad things about them.. if I weren't terrified of ending up on the no-fly list |
| 05:43.01 | nephfl | yeah, im wondering what part of that document that details how the new matching needs to work is confidential, im betting all of it |
| 05:43.14 | Wayhigh | it's probably all FOUO |
| 05:43.20 | Wayhigh | maybe SSI |
| 05:43.38 | nephfl | other companies are selling software just to match those list to sidh for many thousands |
| 05:43.52 | nephfl | i was thinking of polishing it a bit and putting ours out there |
| 05:44.19 | Wayhigh | kewl |
| 05:44.53 | TrentCreek | okay...to dial another extension...just dial it..correct? |
| 05:45.00 | nephfl | yeah, one of the many projects ill probably have to half-ass because i run out of time |
| 05:45.06 | nephfl | lol |
| 05:45.18 | nephfl | depends on your digit map there trent |
| 05:45.45 | Wayhigh | trentcreek: You first have to send me a quarter on paypal.. |
| 05:45.55 | nephfl | lol |
| 05:46.00 | TrentCreek | i cant find the slot |
| 05:46.35 | Wayhigh | I gotta goto bed |
| 05:46.37 | Wayhigh | gnite all |
| 05:46.41 | nephfl | your digit map contains the patterns that your sip device will listen for, so if it is set to listen for three digits and a pause then sends it to asterisk, it should be all good |
| 05:46.56 | TrentCreek | ahh yeah |
| 05:47.07 | nephfl | otherwise, youll need to dial extension and hit whatever send/call button you have |
| 05:47.43 | nephfl | and if you watch in -vvv youll see the call processing and see what your phone is sending through |
| 05:47.50 | Wayhigh | I'm getting some bad post dial delay on my zap channels |
| 05:47.53 | nephfl | you dont need sip debug on for that |
| 05:47.53 | TrentCreek | I am trying to learn this FreePBX so I can others set this up easy |
| 05:48.16 | nephfl | your timeout may be too high in your digitmap |
| 05:48.50 | TrentCreek | I just tried calling an extention...got voice mail, but no ring |
| 05:48.52 | nephfl | it takes a long time to really learn asterisk |
| 05:49.06 | nephfl | was the other phone registered? |
| 05:49.09 | TrentCreek | yeah it does |
| 05:49.17 | TrentCreek | yes...all are |
| 05:49.41 | nephfl | if you sip show peers or whatever do you see the other device |
| 05:49.55 | nephfl | and it isnt on unavailable or anything? |
| 05:50.07 | TrentCreek | okay..its all good..i had to register |
| 05:50.11 | nephfl | ah |
| 05:50.26 | nephfl | yup, phone has to be all logged in to get calls |
| 05:50.54 | TrentCreek | acutally not all good |
| 05:51.04 | TrentCreek | SIP device is having problem |
| 05:51.12 | nephfl | what kind of problem? |
| 05:51.50 | TrentCreek | it registers, but when I pick up..the line 2 ligh ton it blinks...indicating prolem register |
| 05:52.21 | nephfl | hmm |
| 05:52.47 | nephfl | watch -vvv when you pick it up and see whats goin on |
| 05:52.56 | TrentCreek | i see, but so much stuff going on |
| 05:52.56 | nephfl | if you dont see anything try sip debug |
| 05:53.10 | nephfl | can you dial out? |
| 05:53.28 | TrentCreek | no |
| 05:53.29 | *** join/#asterisk moy (n=moy@189.169.91.147) |
| 05:53.37 | TrentCreek | nor receive calls |
| 05:53.43 | nephfl | when you try to dial it doesnt send to asterisk? |
| 05:53.50 | nephfl | i thought you got it registering earlier |
| 05:54.07 | TrentCreek | http://pastebin.com/d592cd0c7 |
| 05:54.11 | TrentCreek | It is registring |
| 05:54.12 | nephfl | you didnt change the context or anything did you? |
| 05:54.37 | TrentCreek | it even shows up on that pastebin |
| 05:54.52 | nephfl | says sip 102 isnt set up in extensions |
| 05:55.10 | nephfl | which means it cant find it in your general context |
| 05:56.14 | TrentCreek | I tried antoher extension |
| 05:56.17 | TrentCreek | with 102 |
| 05:56.25 | TrentCreek | 102 called 101 and 100 fine |
| 05:56.36 | TrentCreek | it's 100 I am having problem with |
| 05:56.59 | nephfl | 100 cant call anyone else? |
| 05:57.08 | TrentCreek | no |
| 05:57.09 | nephfl | are the other two soft phones or something? |
| 05:57.22 | TrentCreek | 100 Hard 101-102 soft |
| 05:58.05 | nephfl | @aerialtelecom.com <--- whats that? |
| 05:58.14 | nephfl | is it in your soft phone config? |
| 05:58.25 | nephfl | or only you hard sip phone? |
| 05:58.27 | TrentCreek | yes...Domain |
| 05:58.43 | TrentCreek | letme change hard to domain |
| 05:59.37 | nephfl | also, make sure the context fields match |
| 05:59.44 | TrentCreek | 101 is reporting same thing |
| 06:00.16 | nephfl | did you check the context entries? |
| 06:00.40 | nephfl | you may want to recreate 100 |
| 06:01.21 | TrentCreek | okay..I see |
| 06:01.29 | TrentCreek | I changed them from from-internal to their own |
| 06:01.37 | nephfl | ahh... |
| 06:01.57 | nephfl | if you arent going to do anything weird, you should leave them default |
| 06:02.11 | nephfl | otherwise trunking will be a little more complicated |
| 06:02.14 | TrentCreek | haha..yeah.. |
| 06:03.08 | TrentCreek | it working now |
| 06:03.28 | nephfl | oh and hud-lite is an awesome app for normal people... |
| 06:03.41 | Qwell | are we still on this? |
| 06:03.48 | nephfl | on what? |
| 06:04.06 | Qwell | dunno, I left 2.5 hours ago, and we were talking about trixbox |
| 06:04.18 | nephfl | i thought everyone was asleep, so i could say there is nothing wrong with gui's and pretty stuff |
| 06:04.44 | drmessano | omfg, hudlite is terrible |
| 06:04.49 | nephfl | lol |
| 06:05.02 | Qwell | hud requires an ircd. how can that be considered good? |
| 06:05.03 | drmessano | IRC pseudo-xml based unstable crap |
| 06:05.09 | nephfl | damn, i woke everyone up, they could Feel someone utter blapheme |
| 06:05.10 | TrentCreek | drmessano: all working |
| 06:05.41 | nephfl | it would be much nicer if it wasnt irc crap |
| 06:05.49 | nephfl | but it is a nice piece of candy |
| 06:06.16 | drmessano | You're obviously a manager |
| 06:06.18 | drmessano | and not a tech |
| 06:06.23 | nephfl | lol |
| 06:06.29 | nephfl | im both, unfortunately |
| 06:06.42 | Qwell | all managers think they're techs :p |
| 06:06.51 | drmessano | Damn true |
| 06:07.01 | drmessano | He's pretty much proven he's a manager |
| 06:07.06 | nephfl | lol, well, im the only tech that handles linux/asterisk for our company at the moment |
| 06:07.13 | drmessano | That's scary |
| 06:07.18 | nephfl | i take that back, our mass calls are handled by a programmer |
| 06:07.22 | drmessano | and you're putting your eggs into trixbox |
| 06:07.27 | Qwell | you wouldn't have so many tickets if you didn't use That which shall not be named |
| 06:07.30 | *** join/#asterisk jameswf-home (n=james@ip68-2-99-240.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 06:08.09 | drmessano | You have a seriously flawed perception of quality product to sell to customers |
| 06:08.10 | nephfl | ive had one tb machine up for almost 2 years now i think, and havent had Any trouble with it (exept a funky tdm card) |
| 06:08.53 | nephfl | the only tickets i get from these boxes is that when these people need changes, even that gui is too complicated for them |
| 06:09.16 | nephfl | well, and i have one customer with a backdoor call box that is a piece of crap |
| 06:10.09 | nephfl | my last install was extremely smooth...tb/polycom took a few minutes..even with central provisioning... |
| 06:11.05 | nephfl | only complaint there is that the owner there keeps making changes and killing hud-lite, if you restart asterisk via the gui, you have to power-cycle the box for hud-lite to work... |
| 06:11.56 | nephfl | and im not a big fan, im just saying, ive tried it and it works smoothly, if you have something better, im all for it |
| 06:12.49 | nephfl | its been awhile since i have looked for new software though |
| 06:14.27 | nephfl | is there something better out there these days? |
| 06:15.14 | Qwell | having to restart the box when making a config change is hardly what I would call smooth |
| 06:15.16 | drmessano | Trixbox is full of security holes, there's poor QC on updates, Fonality is just bad people with no respect for the open source community, they lie to the users, they troll and blaspheme other forums claiming everyone is violating the GPL, and they're known to hide phone-home scripts in the software |
| 06:15.27 | drmessano | I could care less what you use. You'll learn. |
| 06:16.58 | nephfl | i dont like the polycom ringtone..they should let you put on other ringtones like a mobile phone |
| 06:17.27 | mchou | What is the deal with fonality anyways? There was some interesting scuttlebutt about astroturfing |
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| 06:17.46 | nephfl | what type of switchboard is digium rolling with their product? |
| 06:17.58 | nephfl | what is astroturfing? |
| 06:18.21 | mchou | nephfl: google urban dictionary |
| 06:18.29 | Qwell | mchou: "anonymously" (oops, they got caught..) trolling on forums, saying people are violating the GPL and whatnot |
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| 06:19.10 | coppice | Richard Stallman is violating the GPL |
| 06:19.12 | mchou | Qwell: the part that interested me was some dude masqueraded as GPLlaw or some such |
| 06:19.23 | Qwell | that would be Kerry |
| 06:19.30 | drmessano | Oh no |
| 06:19.33 | nephfl | what was the claim about the gpl? |
| 06:19.34 | mchou | yup, that's the guy! |
| 06:19.36 | Qwell | wait, no |
| 06:19.41 | Qwell | was it his friend this week? |
| 06:19.44 | drmessano | Kerry clearly explained it was a friend |
| 06:19.45 | drmessano | YES lol |
| 06:19.46 | mchou | lolz |
| 06:19.48 | mchou | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:19.53 | drmessano | Someone came to his house |
| 06:19.57 | drmessano | Got on his computer |
| 06:20.04 | mchou | yeah, that story was pure BS |
| 06:20.12 | Qwell | it changed like 8 times |
| 06:20.14 | drmessano | Posed as GPLaw and trolled the FreePBX forums and whatnot |
| 06:20.15 | mchou | the timeline was all messed up |
| 06:20.28 | drmessano | I do that all the time |
| 06:20.38 | nephfl | do you guys work in cubicles? |
| 06:20.47 | mchou | I'm surprised that dude can still show his face in public |
| 06:20.58 | Qwell | Kerry rocks |
| 06:21.05 | mchou | Qwell: haha!! |
| 06:21.06 | nephfl | because i think cubicles inherently cause drama...did the guy steal someones stapler? |
| 06:21.31 | mchou | nephfl: my... my.. red stapler! |
| 06:22.04 | drmessano | nephfl: you are monumentally nieve if you don't know or care about anything Fonality has done, which includes some shady maneuvers with the very product you are selling to customers |
| 06:23.10 | drmessano | You're really sounding more and more like an ignorant managerial type who can't say enough great things about the product he knows 10% about |
| 06:23.11 | nephfl | hey, i learned a new word...ill file that right under swiftboating |
| 06:23.12 | mchou | s/nieve/naive |
| 06:23.53 | mchou | nephfl: the fonality ppl are indeed shady |
| 06:24.03 | drmessano | After being up 18 hours with 3 hours sleep the night before, if naive is the only word I mis-rationed, I am doing sweeet |
| 06:24.18 | nephfl | so, what is the competing opensource project that has better management? |
| 06:24.35 | mchou | nephfl: what??? |
| 06:24.54 | mchou | nephfl: how about linux kernel for one? |
| 06:25.08 | nephfl | huh, no that isnt what i mean... |
| 06:25.31 | mchou | to call fonality management tells us you ARE really CLUELESS |
| 06:25.37 | nephfl | i mean what is a good pre-rolled distro with asterisk and all of the bells and whistles, so i dont have to reinvent the wheel? |
| 06:25.43 | drmessano | Elastix is my current favorite, but ---> http://blog.tmcnet.com/blog/tom-keating/asterisk/digium-asterisknow-news-and-more.asp |
| 06:25.54 | drmessano | That is pretty WIN |
| 06:26.53 | nephfl | i admit i dont keep up with this stuff, and it is because our company is extremely generalist, and i dont have as much time as i would like on each project, hopefully in the future i can resolve that, but for now, i have to try to be many things to many people |
| 06:27.35 | drmessano | If you are selling PBXes, and are this ignorant about what's transpired and what alternatives there are, you need to seriously rethink your product. |
| 06:28.03 | mchou | haha. Maybe that's what he means by "generalist" :) |
| 06:28.04 | drmessano | Even CLI-or-Die non-GUI types know this stuff |
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| 06:28.41 | mchou | all things to all people :) |
| 06:28.56 | TrentCreek | no |
| 06:28.58 | mchou | spreading themselves too thin :) |
| 06:29.00 | drmessano | I doubt everyone here spends hours a day reading "VoIPly Reader", so it's not even that hard to fall into the same information |
| 06:29.03 | nephfl | i can write a dialplan, and know most of the basics i would say... but i rarely keep up with any computer drama |
| 06:29.09 | drmessano | ROFL |
| 06:29.37 | nephfl | im more of a working person about these things, i focus on the customer side and service..and dont spend nearly enough time keeping up... |
| 06:29.37 | Qwell | computer drama... |
| 06:29.43 | Qwell | man, you just summed up my life in 2 words |
| 06:29.54 | Qwell | that's sad ;/ |
| 06:29.56 | drmessano | nephfl: That "Drama" you so dismiss is what some of us would call "Product Developments" which actually IMPACT the product that YOU are SELLING |
| 06:30.13 | nephfl | i dont know how anyone finds time, if im not sleeping im working, and there just isnt time |
| 06:30.36 | Qwell | you're on IRC right now.. |
| 06:30.53 | drmessano | You are seriously lacking in ongoing product research.. I mean, you really think you can find something once every 3 years, sell it for a while, not evolve, not keep up, and expect to not fall behind? |
| 06:30.54 | nephfl | i agree, and i would like to develop a strong product and stay up on this, but instead, i basically do as commissioned and learn tech as needed |
| 06:31.14 | drmessano | Did you know Asterisk 1.4 is out? |
| 06:31.21 | drmessano | I hear it's pretty tasty |
| 06:31.31 | __jeff_o | if I set my computer up in the DMZ of my network and then dial out to an asterisk server and to a cell, I hear everything the person on the cell says, but they can't hear me. If I get rid of the router and plug my computer directly into the cable modem both parties can hear each other. Anybody know what the problem might be with my router setup |
| 06:31.46 | mchou | drmessano is drama queen |
| 06:31.48 | mchou | :) |
| 06:32.03 | Qwell | __jeff_o: dmz doesn't give you an external IP (on the box) |
| 06:32.16 | mchou | * 1.6 should be here any time now :) |
| 06:32.24 | __jeff_o | qwell: I thought it pretty much forwarded everything ... ? |
| 06:32.26 | Qwell | you'll likely still need to set externip, and possibly nat=yes |
| 06:32.35 | Qwell | __jeff_o: yes, but the box itself doesn't know what it's IP is |
| 06:33.26 | __jeff_o | Qwell: ohhhh.... hmm. What should I set extern IP to? a netmask? |
| 06:33.32 | Qwell | your external IP |
| 06:33.35 | drmessano | I just don't understand how you can decide on a product and not revisit what you're doing every so often.. Even if you think it's the BEST and it's working GREAT, there is always something else coming out |
| 06:33.36 | Qwell | (literally) |
| 06:33.59 | nephfl | i work in medical, financial, aviation, constuction, and law type support, there is way too much too keep up with all of the updates...like i said, i am reactive...would like to be otherwise, but it has been ok so far |
| 06:34.01 | __jeff_o | Qwell: hmm, but that changes |
| 06:34.14 | __jeff_o | Qwell: I guess I can try it and see if it works |
| 06:34.18 | Qwell | there's also externhost and externrefresh |
| 06:34.34 | __jeff_o | Qwell: ohh, ok. I've set externhost |
| 06:34.36 | Qwell | you can use those instead (though try externip first, to get it going at least) |
| 06:34.44 | mchou | nephfl: we are aking to look into fonality's shadiness for yourself |
| 06:35.05 | mchou | nephfl: your asterisk survival will depend on it |
| 06:35.21 | mchou | asking* |
| 06:35.55 | nephfl | i tried asterisknow last year and it looked slick but didnt have so many features, and shouldnt have made it to be called a stable release, unless you mean stable like a rock... i wonder how that is coming along |
| 06:36.06 | mchou | a 1 minute search followed by 5 min of reading will get you started on the right path |
| 06:36.11 | Qwell | nephfl: see the link above |
| 06:36.14 | drmessano | nephfl: Did you even read the link I sent? |
| 06:36.28 | Qwell | you can skip to the last couple paragraphs |
| 06:36.33 | nephfl | i skimmed but havent read thoroughly yet... |
| 06:36.39 | __jeff_o | Qwell: I set externhost earlier today and that made it so I could hear what the person on the cell phone says. My current thinking is that it must be something wrong with my router setup on the computer I'm dialing from.. Maybe I need to set port forwarding if DMZ'ing isn't enough? |
| 06:36.52 | drmessano | Then you missed the point of me posting it |
| 06:36.54 | drmessano | Go look |
| 06:36.55 | Qwell | dmz is basically forwarding all ports |
| 06:36.58 | Qwell | you rarely want dmz |
| 06:37.10 | Qwell | I would just forward the right ports, and follow... |
| 06:37.12 | Qwell | ~sipnat |
| 06:37.16 | jbot | [~sipnat] Quick guide on configuring * + SIP behind NAT : http://www.aocomputing.net/?p=3 , otherwise check the WIKI at http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+SIP+NAT+solutions |
| 06:37.41 | drmessano | You are making it way too easy for me to leave mchou and start trolling you about how I hope your business dies a horrible dotcom death.. Don't feed me, please |
| 06:37.56 | mchou | drmessano: lol |
| 06:38.11 | jblack | looks on with curiosity. |
| 06:38.17 | drmessano | This is seriously for your own good |
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| 06:38.45 | Qwell | emeritus? |
| 06:39.05 | Qwell | oh, hmm |
| 06:39.13 | Qwell | no +o for Bhaal :( |
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| 06:39.24 | tzafrir_laptop | funny how "DMZ" got this meaning |
| 06:39.32 | Qwell | tzafrir_laptop: do tell |
| 06:39.46 | nephfl | unless i missed something in that article, there wasnt much useful info.. they are dumping rpath for centos and will be going to freepbx |
| 06:39.54 | tzafrir_laptop | Qwell, you know, I guess |
| 06:39.54 | Qwell | nephfl: what is trixbox? |
| 06:40.16 | Qwell | tzafrir_laptop: I don't actually.. I mean, I know what a DMZ is in networking terms, but.. |
| 06:40.27 | nephfl | >qwell it is evil, pure evil, if you put it on your box your soul will turn black and it will burn a hole through your box |
| 06:40.36 | mchou | Qwell: it's a box made by tricky people? |
| 06:40.38 | nephfl | lol |
| 06:40.48 | Qwell | nephfl: close enough. I'll accept that answer |
| 06:41.05 | __jeff_o | Qwell: I've read a lot of those docs... just can't seem to figure it out :( |
| 06:41.39 | jblack | The channel is confusing right now. |
| 06:41.44 | mchou | I just went through some code and found some Horrid Horrid stuff |
| 06:41.57 | __jeff_o | Qwell: It's just strange that if I remove my router from the equation everything works... |
| 06:41.57 | nephfl | >qwell it is far from what i would call a solid solution, but it is an ISO that you can install that will get you up and running with All of the popular asterisk stuff very quickly |
| 06:42.15 | mchou | app_Notify is whacked. |
| 06:42.41 | jblack | drmessano is terrorizing with the threat of a trollbomb, nephfl admits to having put his eternal soul to risk, and I dunno whatelse |
| 06:42.55 | drmessano | nephfl: DIGIUM ASTERISKNOW (You know Digium, right? The * people?) are making an ISO with FreePBX on it |
| 06:42.59 | nephfl | so, from what i can tell the guy that heads up the project was trolling forums...or something |
| 06:43.07 | drmessano | I don't know how you can't appreciate the gravity of that |
| 06:43.16 | drmessano | Don't be so dense |
| 06:43.25 | jblack | Me? |
| 06:43.29 | Qwell | jblack: no, you're fairly well caught up |
| 06:43.30 | drmessano | No nephfl |
| 06:43.45 | nephfl | yeah, but asterisknow last i checked was really really bad, made trixbox look like it was stable... and freepbx is not a full featureset to compete with modern phonesystems |
| 06:44.25 | jblack | nephfl: In simple terms, Trixbox is the friend you go out with, that never seems to be able to take a turn paying for the tickets. |
| 06:44.47 | mchou | gotta admit asterisknow is pretty sad in terms of functionality |
| 06:45.01 | jblack | Always asks for a ride, but never has gas money. Probably slept with your sister a few times too. |
| 06:45.08 | Qwell | mchou: AsteriskGUI 2.0 is *hot* |
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| 06:45.23 | drmessano | Holy Crap |
| 06:45.36 | drmessano | FREEPBX is the CORE of Trixbox.. It does all the damn work |
| 06:45.44 | drmessano | How can you dis... forget it |
| 06:45.48 | Qwell | was* |
| 06:45.50 | Qwell | ..the core |
| 06:45.52 | drmessano | yes |
| 06:45.53 | drmessano | Well |
| 06:46.09 | drmessano | It WAS and is now a forked core |
| 06:46.16 | Qwell | forked core... |
| 06:46.20 | Qwell | subtle |
| 06:46.23 | nephfl | unless you have a better solution to hudlite and close workstation integration trixbox is still going to be the winner |
| 06:46.25 | drmessano | Im just in awe that nephfl really doesn't get it |
| 06:46.45 | nephfl | also, add in polycom provisioning, and im sold on it |
| 06:46.53 | mchou | drmessano: that's cause you're a lousy salesman |
| 06:46.55 | Qwell | AsteriskGUI has Polycom provisioning |
| 06:47.11 | nephfl | cool, does it have a windows app? |
| 06:47.13 | DarKnesS_WolF | good morning |
| 06:47.29 | Qwell | nobody uses Windows anymore |
| 06:47.31 | mchou | drmessano: you are not addressing nephfl's objections, never mind overcoming them |
| 06:47.36 | drmessano | mchou: ME? I am not the one selling trixboxes.. you wanna talk about lousy? lol |
| 06:47.37 | nephfl | >qwell lol |
| 06:47.43 | DarKnesS_WolF | Qwell: yes true i second that ! |
| 06:47.54 | jblack | Hold up. Is nephfl mchou? |
| 06:47.58 | mchou | lol |
| 06:48.00 | drmessano | mchou: I lead him to water.. I can't make him drink |
| 06:48.12 | mchou | jblack: dont be frigging clueless man |
| 06:48.19 | jblack | Oh, never mind. I forgot I had mchou ignored. |
| 06:48.50 | drmessano | mchou: He's in love with Trixbox.. Kerry told me so, based on the anonymous usage data he collected from him without his knowledge |
| 06:49.09 | mchou | drmessano: you preaching to the choir here man |
| 06:49.33 | nephfl | as far as i can tell this is a linux vs mac vs pc thing... tb was sacrilige here long before any trolling by developers... and before i ever tried tb i did my best to use asterisknow...but the gui just plain didnt work |
| 06:49.41 | nephfl | but that was a long time ago |
| 06:49.58 | drmessano | This is not a preference thing, and you dismissing it as such is insulting |
| 06:50.01 | Qwell | nephfl: there were other alternatives |
| 06:50.04 | drmessano | There's genuine issues |
| 06:50.09 | mchou | nephfl: this has nothing to do with OS choice |
| 06:51.05 | nephfl | im looking at elastix now, and ill take another look at asterisknow... just like i did a year ago... and hopefully things have changed |
| 06:51.48 | Qwell | nephfl: wait for AN 1.5 |
| 06:52.02 | Qwell | or, if you get it now, try the 2.0 GUI |
| 06:52.23 | nephfl | does it have an win operator panel? |
| 06:52.42 | Qwell | nobody uses Windows anymore |
| 06:52.53 | nephfl | and something like fop? |
| 06:53.01 | drmessano | What is a "an win" operator panel? |
| 06:53.09 | drmessano | FOP is built into FreePBX |
| 06:53.18 | nephfl | cool |
| 06:53.18 | drmessano | It's part of FreePBX |
| 06:53.29 | Qwell | does Philippe and crew maintain that now? |
| 06:53.49 | nephfl | i mean like hud-lite (hud lite is a pain, but it is pretty, and i think a huge selling point) |
| 06:54.00 | drmessano | No, they still pull from the dev |
| 06:54.11 | drmessano | Use AstAssistant |
| 06:54.24 | drmessano | It's not quite as pretty but uses AMI instead of a friggin IRCd |
| 06:54.43 | drmessano | Hudlite is buggy and gets less support as time goes on |
| 06:54.51 | drmessano | They've damn near abandoned it |
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| 06:55.08 | drmessano | Everytime a feature breaks in Hudlite, they remove it |
| 06:55.15 | drmessano | They dont fix it.. just remove it |
| 06:55.55 | nephfl | that astassistant doesnt look very user friendly |
| 06:56.11 | drmessano | Wow, you tried it that fast? |
| 06:56.21 | nephfl | naa, lookin at screenshots |
| 06:56.42 | drmessano | of the old, old versions |
| 06:56.43 | drmessano | yeah |
| 06:56.53 | nephfl | ah..ok..thanks |
| 06:58.10 | nephfl | i like the feature list...but it also needs to be rounded and slick and have big pretty buttons |
| 06:58.21 | drmessano | I give up |
| 06:58.52 | mchou | haha!! |
| 06:59.09 | mchou | all flash and no cash! |
| 06:59.24 | drmessano | mchou: Remind me to never troll you again |
| 06:59.33 | drmessano | I apologize |
| 06:59.35 | mchou | oops, s/cash/substance |
| 06:59.36 | drmessano | Completely |
| 07:00.34 | mchou | drmessano: You need to read "How to win Friends and Influence People" :) |
| 07:00.44 | drmessano | No, i need a beer |
| 07:00.49 | drmessano | No |
| 07:01.15 | drmessano | After this.. I need something stiffer.. anyone have any rat poison? |
| 07:01.27 | mchou | cyanide works |
| 07:01.41 | drmessano | Hmmm |
| 07:01.58 | drmessano | What is a good chaser for cyanide |
| 07:02.08 | drmessano | Ah yes.. Liquid Plumber |
| 07:02.09 | mchou | you wont need one |
| 07:02.09 | Qwell | smores |
| 07:02.17 | drmessano | yay smores |
| 07:02.24 | mchou | potassium injection works too |
| 07:02.36 | Qwell | drmessano: thank hardwire for that idea |
| 07:02.38 | drmessano | Are smores rounded and slick and have big pretty buttons? |
| 07:02.50 | hardwire | mmm.. smores. |
| 07:02.53 | mchou | smores are big buttons :) |
| 07:02.59 | drmessano | Hmmm |
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| 07:03.17 | drmessano | I'm gonna eat some cyanide smores and install the new trixbox |
| 07:03.25 | drmessano | Paaaaarty! |
| 07:03.27 | hardwire | drmessano: heh |
| 07:03.57 | drmessano | wonders if Dud-Lite runs on Windows Me |
| 07:04.03 | drmessano | No matter, I will make it work |
| 07:04.17 | nephfl | i just had a white lady knock on my door and try to get me to cash a stolen check |
| 07:04.40 | drmessano | Was she rounded and slick and had big pretty buttons? |
| 07:04.45 | mchou | Was she related to Sarah Palin? |
| 07:04.58 | nephfl | not too bad, i was temptd to offer her 20 bucks.. |
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| 07:05.39 | mchou | Oh wait. Her name was Fonality! |
| 07:05.44 | nephfl | but i shoulda looked around to see if she was scouting for a break in, i just walked around the building |
| 07:06.05 | nephfl | probably just ran out of crack or something |
| 07:06.13 | drmessano | Leave Sarah Palin alone.. I think her hot underage daughters with the baby bumps are a testament to the core values we should be teaching all of our children... |
| 07:06.23 | drmessano | yes, Condoms are evil |
| 07:06.25 | nephfl | this neighborhood has a new round of weirdos |
| 07:06.43 | nephfl | whats up with the random sarah palin stuff? |
| 07:06.51 | mchou | drmessano: I feel sorry for you if you think her daughters are "hot" |
| 07:07.17 | nephfl | did you see the baby-daddy video on youtube... |
| 07:07.26 | drmessano | mchou: No, that would be disgusting.. I set a scheduled task to label them as "hot" on their 18th birthdays though |
| 07:07.35 | nephfl | i thought it was funny, but damn campaigns have gotten crazy |
| 07:07.45 | nephfl | lol |
| 07:07.55 | Qwell | drmessano: how far off is it? |
| 07:07.59 | drmessano | nephfl: I'm gonna guess you're a republican |
| 07:08.10 | nephfl | naa...im more like libertarian |
| 07:08.18 | nephfl | but i dont vote in national elections |
| 07:08.21 | Qwell | drmessano: and more importantly, what state are you in? |
| 07:08.40 | nephfl | but my boss will be one of the electors for the state if they carry this state |
| 07:08.41 | drmessano | lol |
| 07:09.01 | drmessano | One year for one, 3 years for the other I think |
| 07:09.07 | coppice | I think Michael Palin would have made a more serious candidate |
| 07:09.25 | nephfl | idunno, i think alot of red states will like her |
| 07:09.37 | nephfl | especially when obama makes fun of her being from a small town |
| 07:09.42 | drmessano | Bristol is the one that was "Ovaling her Office" while Mom was being considered for VP |
| 07:09.52 | mchou | lol |
| 07:10.02 | nephfl | and women with guns are hot |
| 07:10.32 | mchou | trailer....trash ....chix |
| 07:10.38 | drmessano | What I am wronder is |
| 07:10.41 | drmessano | Errrr |
| 07:10.45 | mchou | must resist....... |
| 07:10.47 | drmessano | What I am wondering is |
| 07:11.03 | nephfl | i doubt she is trailer trash... |
| 07:11.25 | mchou | Bristol is not, but sister of daddy is |
| 07:11.25 | nephfl | the daughters boyfriend either is or certainly puts on a good act |
| 07:11.39 | drmessano | Are they going to pull her trailer from Alaska.. bring it on a boat.. fly it in.... ? |
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| 07:12.10 | coppice | be fair to the kid. what else is there to do in Alaska? |
| 07:12.17 | mchou | daddy is trailer trash too |
| 07:12.19 | nephfl | being anti redneck or rural person in this country doesnt win elections |
| 07:12.19 | drmessano | coppice: Indeed |
| 07:12.33 | Qwell | coppice: ice fishing |
| 07:12.36 | drmessano | nephfl: Live in a redneck state.. it will change your mind |
| 07:12.38 | mchou | coppice: what?? You calling all Alaskans trailer trash?? |
| 07:12.49 | drmessano | Qwell: Is that like banging a frigid chick? |
| 07:13.05 | nephfl | i live in central florida...and have family in rural alabama...so im pretty familiar |
| 07:13.07 | drmessano | HA |
| 07:13.10 | Qwell | drmessano: exactly like it, except completely different |
| 07:13.47 | drmessano | I bet somewhere in a high school in cold alaska, there's a group of kids that call deflowering virgins "ice fishing" |
| 07:13.48 | Qwell | rural alabama <3 |
| 07:13.51 | drmessano | that... is hardcore |
| 07:14.09 | nephfl | id have to say though, i would vote for palin for president before obama |
| 07:14.20 | nephfl | and before mccain |
| 07:14.23 | drmessano | Because she's more qualified? |
| 07:14.45 | drmessano | O.o |
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| 07:15.00 | nephfl | no, because what record she has is better, and she comes off as more of fiscal conservative |
| 07:15.05 | drmessano | WHAT |
| 07:15.11 | mchou | lols |
| 07:15.25 | mchou | nephfl: pls stop |
| 07:15.32 | drmessano | So it's not just trixbox |
| 07:15.36 | nephfl | lol |
| 07:16.03 | drmessano | If you don't STFU, my wife is going to wake up and kick my ass for laughing so hard |
| 07:16.10 | drmessano | Seriosuly |
| 07:16.13 | drmessano | Err |
| 07:16.15 | coppice | I wouldn't vote for any of them. Probably because I don't have a vote |
| 07:16.16 | drmessano | Seriously |
| 07:16.18 | mchou | the governor od the state with the most pork is fiscally conservative? |
| 07:16.25 | mchou | of* |
| 07:16.33 | Qwell | coppice: you can have mine |
| 07:16.46 | nephfl | what are you pro-universal healcare? pro passing laws through the judiciary and not the legislation? |
| 07:16.49 | drmessano | nephfl: So what do you think of George W. Bush? |
| 07:16.49 | coppice | no thanks. I'm trying to give them up |
| 07:16.53 | nephfl | yes |
| 07:16.58 | mchou | by that yardstick anyone is more fiscally conservative |
| 07:17.27 | mchou | nephfl: you are sadly sadly misinformed |
| 07:17.34 | nephfl | how so? |
| 07:17.55 | mchou | the judiciary doesnt pass any laws |
| 07:18.00 | drmessano | Thank god Trixbox is bright enough to light up a bomb shelter |
| 07:18.02 | nephfl | roe v wade |
| 07:18.20 | nephfl | legislature wouldnt touch it but the supreme court did |
| 07:18.35 | mchou | in fact with the stacked republican supreme court has been more activist than any prior Supreme Court |
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| 07:18.49 | Qwell | Roe v Wade didn't result in a law. |
| 07:18.58 | TrentCreek | starting to like FreePBX |
| 07:19.00 | mchou | nephfl: see Bush v. Gore |
| 07:19.03 | Qwell | it resulted in upholding the Constitution |
| 07:19.14 | nephfl | would you say it simply intepreted the letter of the law? |
| 07:19.39 | TrentCreek | Qwell: How is that? |
| 07:19.56 | mchou | nephfl: the judicial branch serves as a check on both legislative and executive branches |
| 07:19.58 | nephfl | i agree with roe v wade, but i think it should be passed through legislature |
| 07:20.09 | TrentCreek | If woman does it, they call it "abortion," but if a guy does it they call it "murder." So much for the "equal protection under the law..." clause |
| 07:20.11 | Qwell | bleh, bed |
| 07:20.16 | drmessano | I'm all for another 4 years of republicans trashing the economy, spying on civilians, more telecom immunity, a couple more wars, maybe a hunting accident here and there |
| 07:20.21 | mchou | it's there job to say what laws are constitutional and what's not |
| 07:20.32 | mchou | tehir* |
| 07:21.15 | mchou | their** |
| 07:21.25 | drmessano | tehir is right... that will be the name of the first president of the United States of Arabia when the republicans finish selling us off to the middle east |
| 07:21.27 | nephfl | yes, not to set out those laws, there is no good law on the books to interpret for abortion, since it is a big issue, the legislature should make the decision, since they are duely elected representatives |
| 07:22.19 | nephfl | im anti-flat earth economic policy, which is one reason i have had a problem with all of the recent administrations |
| 07:22.26 | drmessano | Sorry, thats crap |
| 07:22.34 | drmessano | Laws should not be allow lists |
| 07:22.39 | drmessano | Thats the idea |
| 07:22.58 | TrentCreek | no..it's Islamic Republic of <incert name here> |
| 07:23.06 | drmessano | Abortion doesn't need to be passed into law.. It was ruled as being "not illegal" |
| 07:23.20 | mchou | bingo! |
| 07:23.23 | drmessano | You dont need laws telling us what we CAN do, Mr Orwell |
| 07:23.35 | mchou | Laws are disallow lists :) |
| 07:23.40 | drmessano | Indeed |
| 07:23.40 | nephfl | exactly, i think laws should be deny lists, and the judiciary doesnt have -r on the lists |
| 07:23.51 | drmessano | They dont |
| 07:24.03 | drmessano | They decided there was no basis for it to be illegal |
| 07:24.13 | drmessano | They made an interpretation |
| 07:24.24 | drmessano | Did not overthrow or overrule anything |
| 07:24.27 | drmessano | They CLARIFIED |
| 07:24.32 | nephfl | roe v wade said abortion was legal to a point, that point should have been set by reps |
| 07:25.10 | drmessano | Do you really know what a libertarian is? |
| 07:25.13 | drmessano | I mean REALLY? |
| 07:25.16 | mchou | lol |
| 07:25.23 | drmessano | you may have read it in a book and it sounded cool |
| 07:25.25 | nephfl | thats why i said sorta |
| 07:25.27 | coppice | US law is based on British law, and the same thing applies there. So, to fix this problem Britain has a special catch all law about conspiracy that makes practically any human activity ilegal. |
| 07:25.27 | drmessano | or saw it online |
| 07:25.32 | drmessano | But you are a REPUBLICAN |
| 07:25.35 | drmessano | Not a libertarian |
| 07:25.38 | drmessano | Not at all |
| 07:26.06 | nephfl | lol...you cant decide my political affiliation...if so mccain and bush are not republicans |
| 07:26.11 | drmessano | http://www.politicalcompass.org/ |
| 07:26.24 | drmessano | you need to go there and get some some sense of self |
| 07:26.42 | nephfl | ive done that one |
| 07:26.45 | drmessano | you cant just pick an affiliation because it gets you chicks |
| 07:27.11 | nephfl | sure you can... |
| 07:27.16 | mchou | how a libertarian can even complain about Roe v. Wade is irony indeed |
| 07:27.21 | drmessano | you cant possibly have that stance and expect anyone to not laugh at you for saying you're libertarian |
| 07:27.24 | drmessano | Seriosuly |
| 07:27.43 | nephfl | a libertarian would say that that should never have made it before the court |
| 07:27.54 | mchou | bullshit |
| 07:27.56 | nephfl | neither should have many other decisions |
| 07:28.01 | drmessano | Oh god |
| 07:28.16 | nephfl | like you said, you dont have to declare things legal |
| 07:28.20 | drmessano | Yes, because the constitution pretty much said it all |
| 07:28.21 | mchou | that's straight from the Republican meme |
| 07:28.29 | drmessano | Obama, back in your cage |
| 07:28.33 | drmessano | yes massa |
| 07:28.34 | nephfl | since when? |
| 07:29.15 | mchou | Since Roe v. Wade decision, probably even before |
| 07:29.23 | nephfl | republicans dont believe in the bill of rights? or federal law? |
| 07:29.49 | mchou | nephfl: ever heard of Hamdan vs, Rumseld? |
| 07:30.14 | mchou | bill of rights??? How about habeus?? |
| 07:30.16 | mchou | lol |
| 07:30.23 | nephfl | maybe you want a selected group of people making laws, but i would rather it go to reps. which is really moot because the reps are in the pocket of lobbyists |
| 07:30.29 | drmessano | I'm sorry you needed to find this out on IRC.. maybe this passed you by.. but at some point in your life you went from being the bitchin dude with the camaro to a old out-of-touch, suit and tie republican |
| 07:30.30 | mchou | gitmo sound familiar to you?? |
| 07:30.44 | mchou | Rumsfeld* |
| 07:31.28 | nephfl | what? im not following this stream of consciousness thing |
| 07:31.42 | drmessano | Ok, everyone.. stop making sense |
| 07:32.21 | nephfl | there are left and right leaning republicans as there are democrats..ones party association does not make ones philosophy |
| 07:32.32 | mchou | nephfl: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamdan_v._Rumsfeld |
| 07:33.02 | drmessano | Leaning left and right? |
| 07:33.18 | drmessano | Sure, I can lean left and right in the back seat.. I am still not in the front seat |
| 07:33.45 | nephfl | im not sure what your point of that ruling was |
| 07:33.50 | mchou | lol |
| 07:34.09 | nephfl | the supreme court decided that "terrorists" are "pows" or some similar thing |
| 07:34.15 | mchou | nephfl: It means that Bush cant have kangaroo courts |
| 07:35.01 | mchou | nephfl: and Bush must follow laws regarding habeus corpus |
| 07:35.15 | mchou | and rules of evidence |
| 07:35.29 | mchou | nephfl: dont be thick |
| 07:36.04 | nephfl | that is yours and the supreme courts opinion, but i disagree and dont the geneva had anything to do with it... |
| 07:36.14 | nephfl | there are certain ways you can give up your rights |
| 07:36.14 | mchou | what??? |
| 07:36.28 | nephfl | geneva set out specifically how you could do that |
| 07:36.33 | mchou | my and supreme Courts "opinion"?? |
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| 07:36.45 | nephfl | yes |
| 07:36.48 | conathan | Greetings. |
| 07:36.53 | nephfl | morning |
| 07:37.02 | drmessano | supreme court doesn't give opinions |
| 07:37.07 | conathan | Got Asterisk 1.2 on a nice shiny linksys WRT54G. |
| 07:37.11 | nephfl | wtf? |
| 07:37.12 | mchou | "Hamdan v. Rumsfeld, 548 U.S. 557 (2006), is a case in which the Supreme Court of the United States held that military commissions set up by the Bush administration to try detainees at Guantanamo Bay lack "the power to proceed because its structures and procedures violate both the Uniform Code of Military Justice and the four Geneva Conventions signed in 1949."[1] Specifically, the ruling says that Common Article 3 of the Third Geneva |
| 07:37.12 | mchou | Convention was violated." |
| 07:37.23 | conathan | creates an asterisk pid, but does not create an asterisk.ctl |
| 07:37.25 | nephfl | that is literally called an opinion |
| 07:37.30 | conathan | and it shows up in ps. |
| 07:37.52 | mchou | ...."Guantanamo Bay lack "the power to proceed because its structures and procedures violate both the Uniform Code of Military Justice and..." |
| 07:38.26 | mchou | UCMJ. That's laws made in the US. Not Geneva |
| 07:38.27 | conathan | nm, found -c |
| 07:38.36 | mchou | nephfl: ^^ |
| 07:39.05 | drmessano | For the record, I think LBJ had nothing to do with the Kennedy suicide |
| 07:39.25 | nephfl | even geneva said that "POWs" which were strictly defined, have certain rights |
| 07:39.46 | mchou | nephfl: stop bring up Geneva. It is a red herring |
| 07:39.49 | nephfl | the uniform code of military justice also applies to military personal (again strictly defined) |
| 07:39.55 | mchou | nephfl: address UCMJ |
| 07:40.08 | mchou | lol |
| 07:40.28 | mchou | so POWs are or are not military personnel? |
| 07:40.37 | nephfl | im more familiar with geneva and its protections, because ive spent alot of time reading them. |
| 07:40.43 | nephfl | a POW is a specific thing |
| 07:40.50 | drmessano | Reading or skimming? |
| 07:40.58 | nephfl | what do you think a POW is? |
| 07:41.16 | mchou | nephfl: you aint familiar w/ jack since you cant even understand the significance of Hamdan v. Rumsfeld. |
| 07:41.16 | nephfl | reading, including details of what defines a POW |
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| 07:41.29 | nephfl | i understand its significance |
| 07:41.33 | nephfl | and i can disagree |
| 07:41.39 | mchou | nephfl: lol |
| 07:42.02 | mchou | you just asked me what Hamdan vs. Rumsfeld meant |
| 07:42.16 | nephfl | in the context of your point |
| 07:42.30 | mchou | [00:34] <nephfl> the supreme court decided that "terrorists" are "pows" or some similar thing |
| 07:42.30 | mchou | [00:34] <mchou> nephfl: It means that Bush cant have kangaroo courts |
| 07:43.02 | mchou | nephfl: stop bullshitting man |
| 07:43.08 | nephfl | just because someone agrees with you, doesnt make you correct, that is another logical phallacy |
| 07:43.21 | mchou | nephfl: [00:34] <nephfl> the supreme court decided that "terrorists" are "pows" or some similar thing |
| 07:43.31 | nephfl | yes, which i disagree with |
| 07:43.39 | mchou | That's clearly what Hamdan was NOT about |
| 07:43.48 | nephfl | ok, then you tell me what it was about? |
| 07:43.56 | mchou | I just did. |
| 07:44.03 | mchou | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:44.39 | drmessano | Isn't a "logical phallacy" indeed an oxymoronic conundrum and it too a disagreement of itself? |
| 07:44.41 | nephfl | there is no law that says that foreign terrorists should be tried as american citizens...or have the rights of american citizens, so i disagree with the ruling... |
| 07:44.51 | nephfl | lol |
| 07:44.55 | nephfl | no |
| 07:45.00 | mchou | phallacy?? me thinks you suck too much on phallus. It's spell FALLACY |
| 07:45.10 | mchou | spelled* |
| 07:45.13 | nephfl | no, i think i spelled it well |
| 07:45.26 | nephfl | implying from a dick..lol |
| 07:45.45 | drmessano | FAILICY is more like it |
| 07:45.51 | mchou | lol |
| 07:45.58 | mchou | FACILITY :) |
| 07:46.07 | mchou | like the loo |
| 07:47.29 | nephfl | so, you think that everyone on earth is protected by the US constitution? And that geneva and the uniform code was wrong for classifying terrorists as something other than a POW? |
| 07:48.50 | mchou | nephfl: since you're too dense to even understand wikipedia, in Hamdan SCOTUS basically said to Bush admin: You must follow existing law (like UCMJ) when it comes to detainees, regardless whwther they are POWs, unlawful combatants, terrorists, whatever |
| 07:49.23 | nephfl | what is your point? im sure there are many who disagree with the ruling |
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| 07:49.30 | nephfl | like myself |
| 07:49.33 | mchou | lol |
| 07:49.35 | nephfl | i dont think terrorist are pows |
| 07:49.48 | nephfl | i think it is important to destinguish the two |
| 07:50.00 | nephfl | one is a soldier, the other is a criminal |
| 07:50.01 | drmessano | I'm still trying to work out the libertarian part |
| 07:50.04 | mchou | my point is republicans have NO RESPECT for existing laws, which is how this got started. |
| 07:50.33 | mchou | [00:29] <nephfl> republicans dont believe in the bill of rights? or federal law? |
| 07:50.54 | nephfl | ill give you that both republicans and democrats violate the law, but i disagree that terrorists are pows and should have any rights or priveldges |
| 07:50.57 | mchou | which is when I raised Hamdan as an example |
| 07:51.22 | mchou | nephfl: lol |
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| 07:52.01 | mchou | nephfl: you still dont get it. The supreme Court doesnt give a crap what "label" is given to detainees. |
| 07:52.04 | drmessano | I'm pretty sure Republicans have the market cornered on "Violation of laws that result in civil rights violations".. You dont hear of a lot of Democrats going waterboarding on vacation |
| 07:52.05 | nephfl | so, show me where in the law it prescribes actions for non-military terrorists in foreign countries |
| 07:52.17 | nephfl | what????? |
| 07:52.21 | nephfl | you have lost your mind |
| 07:52.30 | nephfl | was clinton a republican? |
| 07:52.38 | drmessano | no |
| 07:52.46 | mchou | It said whatever those detainees are, Bush can not put them thru kangaroo courts ("Military Commissions" |
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| 07:53.02 | nephfl | under clinton, we executed uniformed soldiers actual POWs that IS against the geneva convention |
| 07:53.14 | mchou | that's what Hamdan is about |
| 07:53.45 | nephfl | he could do what clinton did, tell them to retreat, then bomb them while in retreat |
| 07:54.06 | nephfl | neither party has the corner on human rights violations |
| 07:54.10 | mchou | nephfl: lol. Was there a supreme court case about Clinton executing POWs? I must have missed that |
| 07:54.21 | drmessano | Much better to liberate them to restore democracy by killing 30,000 of them |
| 07:54.22 | nephfl | then, we could pull out and let the strongest side mow down people from helicopters |
| 07:54.37 | mchou | nephfl: please cite me that SCOTUS case please (re Clinton) |
| 07:54.43 | nephfl | there was no need, you dont need definition, there is no quesion that it is illegal |
| 07:54.57 | drmessano | Liberating people of their lives and their oil |
| 07:55.15 | nephfl | you are talking about clinton right? |
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| 07:56.00 | nephfl | http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/International_War_Crimes/ClintonWarCriminal_Herman.html |
| 07:56.14 | mchou | lol |
| 07:56.54 | nephfl | bush has financed this country into the ground, i would have been much happier if he had liberated them of their oil rather than liberating them with My buck |
| 07:57.21 | drmessano | I was talking about your president that sent us off to retaliate for a terrorist attack, made a wrong turn at Hagizabikstekistan, and ended up turning another country into a parking lot, killing tens of thousands of it's civilian, sending it back into the stone ages, all in the name of liberating them... Damn, forgot about the terrorists.. wait, no. |
| 07:57.24 | nephfl | we have NO plans to recover the cost of the war from the Iraqis |
| 07:58.07 | drmessano | Oh come on now |
| 07:58.09 | nephfl | you werent paying attention during that whole thing obviously |
| 07:58.57 | nephfl | we had a previous military action started by clinton (really earlier, but clinton made the big move)..we imposed sanctions, sanctions werent working according to the UN |
| 07:58.59 | drmessano | You're concerned about us recovering costs like we went in there with purpose.. Did Bush hold up his magic pinwheel again when he was explaining his plans for liberation? |
| 07:59.18 | drmessano | By clinton? |
| 07:59.27 | nephfl | we went into afghanistan because of terrorism..we went into iraqi due to sanctions |
| 07:59.33 | drmessano | Ever heard of Desert Shield/Storm? |
| 07:59.48 | drmessano | or were you asleep |
| 08:00.00 | nephfl | what about it? |
| 08:00.05 | drmessano | Exactly |
| 08:00.38 | drmessano | <nephfl> we had a previous military action started by clinton <---- Didn't another Bush kinda go in there a little before that? |
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| 08:01.02 | nephfl | oh, where we talking about the first bush? |
| 08:01.06 | drmessano | You act like W was progressing something that Clinton started.. What about the WAR before THAT? |
| 08:01.29 | nephfl | true, it actually goes back before that |
| 08:01.35 | drmessano | LOL |
| 08:01.43 | drmessano | yeah, oops |
| 08:01.50 | nephfl | but you cant say that a democrat president went in and held hands and sang cumbaya |
| 08:02.18 | coppice | the entire 20th century saw britain and the US manipulating the middle east, and crying when the people there got pissed off with it |
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| 08:02.25 | nephfl | he led during the time of Most human rights violations, all while getting blown in the oval office |
| 08:02.29 | drmessano | No, Clinton never started a war with Iraq.. the two assholes on either side of him did |
| 08:02.45 | nephfl | oh, so it was poor clinton |
| 08:02.46 | drmessano | LOL |
| 08:02.59 | drmessano | The most human rights violations? |
| 08:03.06 | drmessano | Ever heard of the patriot act? |
| 08:03.12 | mchou | lol |
| 08:03.30 | mchou | my favorite iss the torture memo |
| 08:03.33 | mchou | is* |
| 08:03.39 | nephfl | what about the patriot act? what is the fbi talking to the cia a violation of your human rights? |
| 08:03.48 | mchou | oh lord |
| 08:04.02 | drmessano | Every day since 9/11 has been an escalating human rights violation against every man, woman, and child in this country |
| 08:04.17 | nephfl | im just saying it isnt one party over the other... human rights violations are bipartisan |
| 08:04.38 | drmessano | If you say so.. |
| 08:04.41 | nephfl | yeah, im sure you are sooo persecuted |
| 08:05.10 | drmessano | I'm not fond of having my constitutional rights stipped from me daily |
| 08:05.15 | drmessano | stripped* |
| 08:05.17 | drmessano | maybe you are |
| 08:05.19 | nephfl | i disagree with where bush took thinks, and i think the government should be much much smaller, and we should be given more freedoms not having them stripped away, but the dems will do no better in that area |
| 08:05.36 | mchou | nephfl: http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2008_04/013450.php |
| 08:05.42 | nephfl | but it is a faaar cry from being burned alive in a truck while evacuating a city |
| 08:05.49 | drmessano | He's not gonna read it |
| 08:06.04 | mchou | http://gulcfac.typepad.com/georgetown_university_law/files/march.14.memo.part1.pdf |
| 08:06.09 | mchou | http://gulcfac.typepad.com/georgetown_university_law/files/march.14.memo.part2.pdf |
| 08:06.12 | nephfl | i agree with it |
| 08:06.29 | drmessano | nephfl: Much better to be innocently blown up in your home while being liberated.. Indeed |
| 08:06.33 | nephfl | if you dont play by the rules , you are not protected by them |
| 08:06.58 | nephfl | yes actually i think it is, there is a difference between collateral damage and murder a big one |
| 08:07.12 | nephfl | Geneva said that |
| 08:07.13 | drmessano | "collateral damage"? |
| 08:07.19 | drmessano | Oh hell |
| 08:07.26 | nephfl | to get the rights of POWs, you have to be wearing a uniform |
| 08:07.33 | drmessano | Seriosuly man.. you're NOT a libertarian |
| 08:07.36 | nephfl | or be carrying correspondence |
| 08:08.01 | nephfl | otherwise you are a simple criminal and subject to the laws of that territory |
| 08:08.15 | nephfl | which, if there is no state, means none |
| 08:08.26 | drmessano | hah |
| 08:08.44 | mchou | "Serious bodily injury" is defined as ''bodily injury which involves ... a substantial risk of death; ... extreme physical pain; ... protracted and obvious disfigurement; or : .. protracted loss or impairment of the function of a bodily member, organ, or mental facuIty." |
| 08:08.48 | nephfl | it also sets out rules, like not mixing with civilian populations, and not using human shields |
| 08:08.51 | drmessano | Dissolve the government and then torture the people, eh? |
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| 08:09.22 | nephfl | if they are out of uniform and are blowing shit up, YES |
| 08:09.34 | nephfl | if they are in uniform they get protections |
| 08:09.43 | nephfl | if they are peaceful civillians they get protections |
| 08:09.48 | drmessano | Did you ever think they were defending themselves from an enemy... you know, US? |
| 08:09.52 | drmessano | We INVADED THEM |
| 08:09.54 | drmessano | and KILLED THEM |
| 08:10.02 | nephfl | otherwise, may they die in the most gruesome manner (which is how they treat their prisoners) |
| 08:10.11 | nephfl | bullshit |
| 08:10.41 | mchou | nephfl: the torture memo defines torture as anything that does not cause "Serious Bodily injury" |
| 08:10.57 | mchou | nephfl: who you agree with that position? |
| 08:11.06 | nephfl | we went in and killed the regular army in days, they scattered because they couldnt mount a real defense, so they decided to use the people as a sheild, so dumbasses like you can whine and complain |
| 08:11.21 | drmessano | Dude, we went in there and said "hey, we are here to free you" and they said "Oh, we had power, water, and living relatives under Saddam. Now GTFO and keep the IED" |
| 08:11.44 | mchou | nephfl: would you want out troops who are POWs to be subjected to that definition of "torture?" |
| 08:11.51 | nephfl | when i was a child, and i did something wrong, i was inflicted serious bodily pain, so long as it didnt leave a permenant or lasting mark...and i learned my lessons |
| 08:12.08 | nephfl | they are subjected to 1000s of times worse |
| 08:12.14 | drmessano | Yes, I whine and complain about us going into a country and wiping out tens of thousands of innocent people |
| 08:12.22 | drmessano | Oh sorry "Collateral damages" |
| 08:12.45 | mchou | nephfl: then waterboarding is OK by you then, right? |
| 08:12.47 | nephfl | if they turned in the soldiers and stopped fighting, if they hide criminals, they are criminals themselves |
| 08:12.49 | drmessano | They were alive before we killed them.. How could it be WORSE? |
| 08:12.52 | nephfl | yes |
| 08:12.57 | drmessano | Is that even possible? |
| 08:13.14 | nephfl | yes |
| 08:13.16 | nephfl | very possible |
| 08:13.19 | coppice | nephfl: they are only criminals because the US says they are |
| 08:13.21 | nephfl | there are things worse than death |
| 08:13.29 | drmessano | If they weren't having a bad day before, we fucking KILLED THEM |
| 08:13.37 | drmessano | You are telling me that's better? |
| 08:13.38 | mchou | nephfl: You gonna be my POW then. Gimme you address |
| 08:13.53 | nephfl | no, they are only criminals becasue they blow up people, while not wearing uniforms, becasue they bomb markets and saw the heads off of civillians |
| 08:14.05 | drmessano | What about the 30,000 that didn't do shit? |
| 08:14.06 | mchou | lol |
| 08:14.16 | nephfl | they DID do something |
| 08:14.19 | drmessano | Lived |
| 08:14.20 | drmessano | Yes |
| 08:14.23 | drmessano | and we fixed that |
| 08:14.23 | coppice | nephfl: and they would be doing this if the US had not invaded? |
| 08:14.26 | drmessano | Fixed them GOOD |
| 08:14.27 | nephfl | if someone robs a bank and you let them come into your home you are a criminal |
| 08:14.35 | nephfl | YES |
| 08:15.15 | nephfl | Iraq did use torture on civillians...people did disappear...they did walk people out of the legislature and shoot them in the head |
| 08:15.24 | mchou | lol |
| 08:15.43 | mchou | yeah, all iraqis did THAT |
| 08:15.44 | drmessano | We didn't torture them, thank goodness.. Just bombed them |
| 08:15.44 | coppice | girls were educated too |
| 08:15.47 | drmessano | Much more humane |
| 08:15.54 | nephfl | we havent killed All iraqis |
| 08:16.10 | mchou | destroy the village to save the village |
| 08:16.19 | nephfl | iraq isnt destroyed |
| 08:16.22 | mchou | no, just the iraqis we killed did that |
| 08:16.23 | drmessano | ROFL |
| 08:16.30 | drmessano | Iraq is in ruins |
| 08:16.54 | nephfl | if you say so |
| 08:17.30 | nephfl | so, should we not have been in ww1 or 2? |
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| 08:17.39 | drmessano | We got rid of Saddam, left the place wide open for a massive civil war, blew up anything that moved that didn't have white skin, and now you're concerned we're not gonna get paid for it |
| 08:17.54 | drmessano | The check is in the mail |
| 08:17.59 | mchou | nephfl: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6524253 |
| 08:18.20 | coppice | the muslim extremists must love what the US has done in Iraq. they destroyed the Bath party. That must have been an enormous win for them. |
| 08:18.29 | drmessano | It was |
| 08:18.29 | mchou | nephfl: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5433466 |
| 08:18.41 | nephfl | your assessment is very very wrong, but, sure, with the victor goes the spoils, but not for liberal cry-babies, they really wish they had never been borned so they dont harm "mother earth" |
| 08:18.56 | mchou | lol |
| 08:19.11 | mchou | ends justify the means, right? |
| 08:19.21 | nephfl | that was 2006 in the first article |
| 08:19.25 | drmessano | Yeah, you have to be a tree hugging liberal to not be able to stomach blowing up tens of thousands of "ragheads" who "got what they deserved" eh? |
| 08:19.41 | drmessano | wow |
| 08:19.44 | nephfl | also the second one |
| 08:20.38 | mchou | nephfl: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=93749539 |
| 08:20.49 | mchou | so what, 2006 didnt happen? |
| 08:21.02 | nephfl | yeah, well at least someone who doesnt understand that we are not completely insulated from the real world |
| 08:21.30 | nephfl | some soldiers are being tried and convicted of murder and rape |
| 08:21.48 | nephfl | and military courts tend to be more severe than civillian ones |
| 08:21.57 | mchou | bullshit |
| 08:22.00 | drmessano | HA |
| 08:22.07 | mchou | shows how little you know |
| 08:22.22 | nephfl | there are very few facts in those articles... |
| 08:22.34 | drmessano | mchou: I'm still not getting the libertarian part |
| 08:22.41 | drmessano | mchou: Which part is it? |
| 08:22.43 | mchou | that's cause you have to "listen" |
| 08:22.49 | nephfl | 26 "criminals" killed could be civillians, or people throwing rocks, or people shooting at them...there isnt enough info there |
| 08:23.10 | mchou | nephfl: click on the "listen" link |
| 08:23.24 | mchou | in each story |
| 08:23.33 | nephfl | i said sorta libertarian, and by that i mean i think that we should not be very restricted in this country |
| 08:23.45 | drmessano | ROFL |
| 08:24.04 | drmessano | That doesn't make you libertarian.. That makes you a republican that wants to be above the law |
| 08:24.13 | nephfl | do you remember in new orleans when they were stacking bodies like cordwood, then when all was said and done most of it never happend? |
| 08:24.20 | mchou | drmessano: I'm also missing the "fiscal conservative" part. Sounds like this dude wants to do "country building" and lord knows that aint cheap :) |
| 08:24.21 | drmessano | and considering the rest of the convo, i'd say that's damn accurate |
| 08:24.25 | nephfl | was that just some cover up for the raping and pillaging that really went on? |
| 08:24.31 | coppice | nephfl: your concept of libertarian seems to be "I am free to do WTF I like" |
| 08:24.45 | drmessano | coppice: Exactly |
| 08:25.11 | nephfl | pretty much, yes... i never said i agreed with them completely, i dont think libertarian means pacifist or hippie |
| 08:25.17 | drmessano | A republican that wants to be free to do what he wants isn't a "sorta libertarian", he's Ted Kennedy |
| 08:25.30 | mchou | haha |
| 08:25.54 | nephfl | i disagree with republicans in legislating morality...i thing government should be much smaller... |
| 08:26.22 | nephfl | im also against their foreign/economic policies |
| 08:26.36 | drmessano | I'm sorry.. but I completely resent the reference |
| 08:26.43 | nephfl | im in favor of a much more isolationist policy |
| 08:26.50 | nephfl | what reference? |
| 08:27.40 | mchou | nephfl: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=94386868 |
| 08:28.14 | drmessano | The dream of every republican is never be caught with his hand in the cookie jar. Doesn't mean he's a part libertarian. Based on the whole convo, in a nutshell, your views are that of the average above-the-law book burning republican |
| 08:28.20 | mchou | that's from LAST WEEK |
| 08:28.23 | drmessano | That's NOT libertarian in ANY way |
| 08:28.54 | drmessano | My car isn't a diesel because I wish it |
| 08:29.04 | drmessano | A spade is a spade |
| 08:29.07 | nephfl | lol glad you can make up what i am for and against |
| 08:29.15 | drmessano | I didnt have to |
| 08:29.19 | drmessano | You have told us |
| 08:29.27 | mchou | indeedy |
| 08:29.29 | nephfl | did i say that i am pro book-burning or sensorship? |
| 08:29.34 | drmessano | I know this may be news to you, but you've been typing on the internet for the last few hours |
| 08:29.47 | nephfl | what about it? |
| 08:30.01 | drmessano | Exactly |
| 08:30.34 | nephfl | ? ok, i must have missed something because that doesnt make sense |
| 08:31.23 | drmessano | Let me ask you a serious question |
| 08:31.47 | mchou | drmessano: which of the past questions havent been serious? |
| 08:31.59 | mchou | drmessano: come on man |
| 08:31.59 | drmessano | Oh, this one is VERY |
| 08:32.14 | nephfl | and that last article was an intentionally emotional article to stir anti-american feelings, when the attack described in the article is by iraqis |
| 08:32.22 | drmessano | nephfl: You deploy trixboxes.. Do you use ITSPs or telco cards? |
| 08:32.26 | mchou | nephfl: what?? |
| 08:32.52 | mchou | NPR is anti-american?? |
| 08:33.02 | drmessano | Of course |
| 08:33.18 | drmessano | NPR is a bunch of leftist liberal snooty pants tree huggers |
| 08:33.21 | nephfl | telco cards mostly, i have some that is running with teliax as overflow |
| 08:33.25 | mchou | nephfl: you have a fascination with labelling and pigeoholing |
| 08:33.26 | nephfl | is - are |
| 08:33.39 | drmessano | Sorry |
| 08:33.40 | mchou | pigeonholing* |
| 08:33.42 | drmessano | NPR are a bunch of leftist liberal snooty pants tree huggers |
| 08:33.55 | mchou | Radio is |
| 08:33.56 | drmessano | nephfl: Is that better? |
| 08:34.09 | mvanbaak | drmessano: nothing wrong with tree hugging :) |
| 08:34.17 | mchou | Radio aint plural |
| 08:34.49 | drmessano | mvanbaak: Yes there is, because nephfl needs to tie a terrorist to it |
| 08:34.51 | nephfl | ? i do? i thought everyone here was calling me a republican (which i dont necessarily take as an insult, i only try to clarify) and said i was retarded for using trixbox... |
| 08:34.53 | drmessano | Now move please |
| 08:35.28 | mchou | nephfl: oh you clarified all right |
| 08:35.33 | nephfl | lol |
| 08:35.35 | drmessano | LOL |
| 08:35.50 | mchou | nephfl: that you dont understand what "libertarian" means |
| 08:36.14 | nephfl | oh yeah, im a pro-gun right-winger, of course, but i am still in favor of more freedom and less laws when it comes to government, also less spending |
| 08:36.36 | drmessano | That you think the geneva convention was a 1970s pop duo |
| 08:36.51 | nephfl | what? |
| 08:36.59 | mchou | huh?? I thought that was ABBA :) |
| 08:37.10 | nephfl | you are the one that cant read what those rules apply to |
| 08:37.11 | drmessano | mchou: That was a 4some |
| 08:37.18 | drmessano | LOL |
| 08:37.28 | drmessano | Yeah, I am the one that "skims" |
| 08:37.32 | drmessano | You got me |
| 08:38.49 | nephfl | show me where the geneva convention is this liberal leftist document that applies to everyone |
| 08:39.26 | mchou | lol |
| 08:39.40 | nephfl | also where it applies as agreement beween us and iraq |
| 08:39.40 | mchou | habeus corpus applies to everyone |
| 08:39.58 | drmessano | hey mchou, you know what? |
| 08:40.05 | mchou | even to non citizens in Cuba :) |
| 08:40.14 | mchou | drmessano: what? |
| 08:40.47 | nephfl | which document outlines that? |
| 08:41.31 | mchou | nephfl: http://www.hrw.org/english/docs/2008/06/12/usint19123.htm |
| 08:41.54 | mchou | Supreme Court did |
| 08:42.27 | nephfl | lol, i disagree with that, i meant by treaty or legislation (preferably legislation) |
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| 08:42.47 | drmessano | I was telling the wife the other day, "Damn, I can't even IMAGINE the kind of mindset a person would need to have in order to vote for McCain" |
| 08:42.51 | nephfl | you know, those people that are Supposed to make the laws |
| 08:43.04 | drmessano | Now I know |
| 08:43.29 | mchou | nephfl: lol. Supreme Court said you must use laws already on the books (like habeus) |
| 08:43.32 | mchou | lol |
| 08:43.50 | coppice | nephfl: do you have the slightest idea who your legal system is supposed to work? |
| 08:43.53 | drmessano | No, the supreme court makes up laws |
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| 08:44.08 | nephfl | more than some obviously |
| 08:44.16 | nephfl | the legislation is supposed to write law |
| 08:44.21 | drmessano | How is that obvious? |
| 08:44.25 | mchou | nephfl: not make up new laws as "needs" come up |
| 08:44.26 | drmessano | You've shown the opposite |
| 08:44.28 | nephfl | if the legislature wrights laws pertaining to criminals in iraq fine |
| 08:44.31 | drmessano | It's not obvious to me |
| 08:44.40 | drmessano | bangs rocks in confusion |
| 08:44.40 | nephfl | writes |
| 08:44.41 | implicit | hello |
| 08:44.43 | nephfl | lol |
| 08:44.53 | implicit | great to see you all here |
| 08:44.56 | mchou | nephfl: that's what you dont understand. Respect for the rule of (existing) law |
| 08:44.57 | nephfl | damn my hands are schizophrenic or osmthing |
| 08:45.06 | nephfl | ive been typing like im drunk for weeks |
| 08:45.22 | drmessano | Living in the dark can do that too |
| 08:45.31 | nephfl | the rules of the constitution dont apply to the world |
| 08:45.37 | drmessano | HAHHA |
| 08:45.49 | drmessano | Sure they do |
| 08:45.49 | drmessano | Just ask the Iraqi people |
| 08:45.54 | nephfl | that is the attitute that got us over there in the first place |
| 08:45.55 | mchou | lol |
| 08:46.15 | mchou | nephfl: you missed drmessano's sarcasm |
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| 08:46.42 | drmessano | Just like Sarah Palin and her comment about the founding fathers and the pledge of allegience |
| 08:46.53 | mchou | hehe |
| 08:46.55 | drmessano | Brilliant Sarah.. they were all dead when it was written |
| 08:47.11 | nephfl | no, i got it, but its contrary to his argument, you cant want them to apply to non-pows and then not want them to apply to oppressed peoples |
| 08:47.29 | mchou | sarah also forgot about the "under god" part of pledge of allegiance |
| 08:47.39 | nephfl | i didnt read that comment, havent kept up with the scritiny of sarah palin lately |
| 08:47.51 | nephfl | last i heard there was some sort of baby swapping conspiracy |
| 08:48.02 | drmessano | nephfl: You dont need constitutional law to not go into other countries and KILL INNOCENT CIVILIANS |
| 08:48.17 | drmessano | Christ, you are such a republican |
| 08:48.44 | mchou | We dont need no stinking badges to kill! :) |
| 08:48.52 | nephfl | you complain when we stay out of ethnic clensing, you complain when we stop it, there is no pleasing you |
| 08:49.16 | drmessano | We didn't stop ethnic cleansing!!! |
| 08:49.31 | drmessano | We started a civil war and killed 30,000 civilians |
| 08:49.35 | nephfl | that was the impetus behind desert sheild wasnt it? |
| 08:49.38 | mchou | nephfl: you are daft. Iraq is being cleansed right now |
| 08:49.53 | coppice | this all goes back a century, though. don't blame the current republicans too much. the US and Britain have endlessly manipulated the middle east since oil first became important |
| 08:50.01 | nephfl | cleansed yes, i hope so |
| 08:50.08 | nephfl | just not ethnically |
| 08:50.12 | mchou | lol |
| 08:50.13 | drmessano | ROFL |
| 08:50.16 | drmessano | Oh, wait |
| 08:50.30 | drmessano | Youre the one that thinks we're making it better for them |
| 08:50.42 | drmessano | Didn't I see you show up in a gallup poll |
| 08:50.46 | implicit | wait wait |
| 08:50.57 | nephfl | cleansed of terroists, criminals, and general people blowing each other up |
| 08:51.05 | drmessano | HAH |
| 08:51.20 | drmessano | We are the terrorists.. we are blowing them up |
| 08:51.30 | drmessano | Does this mean we are leaving? |
| 08:51.32 | mchou | nephfl: how about those kids in the article I lined earlier? |
| 08:51.41 | mchou | linked* |
| 08:51.49 | nephfl | no, you are the dumbass, we sent in soldiers (by definition of geneva and ucmj, not terrorists) |
| 08:51.54 | nephfl | learn to read a definition |
| 08:52.09 | jblack | coalition of the willing, my ass. |
| 08:52.20 | drmessano | You're the dumbass that's defending our ability to read the map |
| 08:52.21 | nephfl | we have an all volunteer army like it or not |
| 08:52.33 | drmessano | Where in Iraq is Osama Bin Laden, who was the reason we went to war? |
| 08:52.41 | jblack | That "international support" consisted of bullying agreement out of most of the UN, and bribes to the rest. |
| 08:52.52 | coppice | he's hiding in the oil wells |
| 08:52.59 | jblack | nephfl: Know what a "stop loss" order is? |
| 08:53.04 | nephfl | if you are that stupid there is little hope... |
| 08:53.09 | nephfl | yes i do |
| 08:53.13 | jblack | I'm retired navy, so I know too. |
| 08:53.18 | drmessano | and nephfl, if you're gonna start calling me names, I am gonna go all fucking out on you man, so back off with the "dumbass" stuff |
| 08:53.23 | tzafrir_laptop | well, you should do like the russians. just kick out all the press |
| 08:53.28 | tzafrir_laptop | and do what you want |
| 08:53.30 | nephfl | and so you should know when you sign on that line what you are signing up for |
| 08:53.31 | mchou | drmessano: right here: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=94575902 |
| 08:53.32 | tzafrir_laptop | Works for them |
| 08:53.34 | mandh | drmessano, where is that war u mean? |
| 08:53.45 | mchou | drmessano: October surprise |
| 08:53.46 | nephfl | it isnt to get a tan in the desert and come back and get an education |
| 08:54.11 | coppice | tzafrir laptop: the US do something much smarter. they avoid the obvious blackout with a largely tame press |
| 08:54.31 | drmessano | HAHAH |
| 08:54.33 | nephfl | you keep saying dumbass things like what does osama bin laden have to do with iraq...you know he has Nothing to do with iraq |
| 08:54.44 | jblack | It's no longer entirely a volunteer army if they hold you past your agreed upon enlistment. There are people there that don't want to be there, that aren't allowed to leave. |
| 08:55.03 | drmessano | Only took us 7 years to find Pakistan on the map |
| 08:55.06 | drmessano | Awesome |
| 08:55.06 | nephfl | not true, they arent being held past the agreed upon enlistment |
| 08:55.22 | nephfl | it said it in black and white, if there is a war, you may be kept over |
| 08:55.23 | jblack | That's what a stop loss order _is_. It's involuntary retention. |
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| 08:55.57 | nephfl | the point of signup is voluntary, any point beyond that you agreed to |
| 08:56.03 | drmessano | nephfl: Well, people like you supported us going to the middle east to hunt down Bin Laden for 9/11.. Do you remember that? |
| 08:56.22 | drmessano | nephfl: Then we made that wrong turn when we smelled oil |
| 08:56.26 | nephfl | if you get tired of basic or being in iraq, you can try to get out, but if they say now and you leave you will be prosecuted |
| 08:56.30 | nephfl | i thought everyone knew that |
| 08:56.42 | drmessano | nephfl: But see, you're the dumbass here, since you can't seem to get past the density in your head and put this together |
| 08:56.54 | nephfl | again with the oil, it is a red herring as you said.. |
| 08:57.03 | drmessano | nephfl: I never said it |
| 08:57.08 | drmessano | nephfl: Quote me, I will wait |
| 08:57.08 | jblack | As someone that literally gave his life in service to the country, you're seriously, deeply, offending me. |
| 08:57.11 | nephfl | yeah, tell me how osama bin laden has anything to do with iraq |
| 08:57.21 | nephfl | tell me how you should enforce sanctions that are violated? |
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| 08:57.29 | drmessano | ROFL |
| 08:57.40 | mandh | can i ask questions please? |
| 08:57.43 | drmessano | Oh, we went there to enforce sanctions? |
| 08:57.45 | nephfl | you implied that i said something about osama bin laden |
| 08:58.02 | nephfl | there is a time to enforce sanctons and there is a time when that time has passed |
| 08:58.28 | mchou | nephfl: you dont remember Hans Blix and El Baradei |
| 08:58.35 | mandh | hey can u accept that more than million iraques ppls dies there! |
| 08:58.40 | mchou | nephfl: begging the US not to go in |
| 08:58.54 | nephfl | and as far as stop loss goes, they knew when they signed up they may be kept... i have alot of respect for people who sign up for that, and i may disagree with it because i wouldnt sign up, but once they make that decision they know they cant back out |
| 08:59.06 | drmessano | mandh: Some of us.. nephfl says they're all terrorists |
| 08:59.14 | mandh | aha |
| 08:59.20 | mandh | alll ppls are terrorists |
| 08:59.23 | nephfl | i never said they are all terrorists |
| 08:59.26 | drmessano | All of them |
| 08:59.28 | mchou | nephfl: saying allow UN Atomic inspectors to finish their work in Iraq |
| 08:59.30 | jblack | nephfl: Ok, where's them weapons of mass destruction? |
| 08:59.31 | mandh | even that |
| 08:59.35 | drmessano | Every man, woman, and child is out to get us |
| 08:59.39 | drmessano | SHOOT THEM ALL |
| 08:59.40 | mandh | million number is not that easy one |
| 08:59.51 | jblack | my heart can't take this. plonk |
| 08:59.57 | drmessano | mandh: I think in classification, we're the terrorists there |
| 09:00.03 | nephfl | you know that isnt my position |
| 09:00.05 | drmessano | mandh: maybe, possibly :) |
| 09:00.11 | mandh | mmmm |
| 09:00.17 | nephfl | in definition we are not |
| 09:00.20 | coppice | jblac: they are called oil wells. their existance has indeed caused massive destruction over the last century |
| 09:00.24 | mandh | it is oil and wild only |
| 09:00.24 | mchou | nephfl: be honest, The Shrub went in to avenge his daddy |
| 09:00.30 | drmessano | Yeah, we went there to liberate them |
| 09:00.35 | drmessano | of their lives |
| 09:00.47 | drmessano | MISSION ACCOMPLISHED! |
| 09:00.56 | jblack | coppice: hmm. |
| 09:00.59 | nephfl | you dont have a logical argument, so you just put out a bunch of emotional crap |
| 09:01.01 | mandh | drmessano, are u iraqi |
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| 09:01.20 | drmessano | mandh: No, just honest |
| 09:01.25 | mandh | fine |
| 09:01.26 | nephfl | no, he is an average liberl american leftist |
| 09:01.38 | tzafrir_laptop | nephfl, no. we're having an IRC argument |
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| 09:01.50 | drmessano | and nephfl is a extreme right wing republican |
| 09:02.00 | jblack | I heard from a good source that I can no longer remember that the underlying reason was a grudge match. Some kid had to outdo his daddy. |
| 09:02.34 | mandh | so nephfl can u explain how to kill more that million of ppls coz the oil ? |
| 09:02.40 | jblack | They couldnt sell the al qaeda argument, so they went with the WMD argument. |
| 09:02.53 | drmessano | The kind that believes in big guns, John Wayne, big cars, and killing arabs :) |
| 09:02.55 | tzafrir_laptop | mandh, cancer kills even more |
| 09:03.02 | nephfl | naa...when you stop an exchange and start shouting loudly not stating your position it is no longer an argument |
| 09:03.15 | mandh | so if cancer kill more then u make the kill justic |
| 09:03.16 | jblack | I personally don't buy oil arguments because of complicated reasons. |
| 09:03.41 | nephfl | there are lots of complicated issues...it is never as simple as black and white |
| 09:03.50 | tzafrir_laptop | mandh, "becasue of oil" is over simplistic |
| 09:03.51 | nephfl | and it isnt as simple as any of the accusations you make |
| 09:04.11 | mandh | tzafrir_laptop, do u like one kill u child , brothers , fmaily ? |
| 09:04.24 | mandh | family |
| 09:04.34 | nephfl | it wasnt about bin laden, (although the conditions at the time including that attack did move us forward) |
| 09:04.43 | coppice | jblack: well, did britain or the US try to manipulate the middle east in the 19th century, before oil became significant, and have they stop interferring since about 1900? |
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| 09:04.48 | mandh | i think us make bin laden |
| 09:05.07 | nephfl | >mandh i agree |
| 09:05.07 | jblack | coppice: Oh, interference? Hell yeah. Heavy, frequent interence. |
| 09:05.16 | mandh | :-D |
| 09:05.39 | drmessano | Bin Laden was probably an actor |
| 09:05.40 | coppice | well, you can't interfere without expecting a backlash |
| 09:05.42 | nephfl | oil is certainly a driving force of many things, including industrialization and is the life blood of most of our modern conveniences |
| 09:05.45 | jblack | We installed the Shah, S.H. and a haldful of other dictators. |
| 09:05.46 | drmessano | lol |
| 09:05.53 | nephfl | but is not the sole reason to go into iraq |
| 09:05.54 | jblack | handful. |
| 09:06.05 | coppice | bucketful |
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| 09:06.18 | jblack | But seriously, if you're going to invade a country for oil, is Iraq seriously the best place to do it? |
| 09:06.28 | mandh | srue |
| 09:06.32 | mandh | the best place |
| 09:06.37 | jblack | Of course not. South america would be a much better target, particularly Venezuela. |
| 09:06.38 | tzafrir_laptop | mandh, now you're making things personal. That is not a way to keep an argument calm |
| 09:06.45 | mchou | jblack: think operations base in middle east |
| 09:06.58 | nephfl | also, if we invaded for that reason, we would have used to oil to pay reparations |
| 09:07.00 | mandh | and why us make war , they was could gain the oil without the war |
| 09:07.12 | mandh | they paid more than 3,000 billion on the war |
| 09:07.14 | mchou | ops base in middle east make great strategic sense |
| 09:07.16 | jblack | First off, you don't really piss off OPEC. Second, you can literally drive down there. |
| 09:07.21 | coppice | the US is supposed to believe in systems, but keep focusing on individuals. That always puzzles me |
| 09:07.34 | mandh | so even they give sadam 6 billion he was give them every thing wihtout killing and war |
| 09:07.37 | jblack | Third, Venezuela is jungle, not desert. We knew how to fight in jungle, but not desert. |
| 09:07.39 | johnf | sip.conf indicates that the the bit after the @ in the register line can refer to a section further down in the file. When I try this I get a complaint abut DNS errors for the alias I chose for it |
| 09:07.57 | tzafrir_laptop | coppice, "middle east"? Eagypt was important since the opening of the Suez cannal |
| 09:08.07 | mchou | jblack: we know how to fight in jungle?? Is that why we lost in Nam? |
| 09:08.13 | drmessano | lol |
| 09:08.19 | drmessano | Yeah I was gonna say that |
| 09:08.27 | drmessano | Didnt work so well last time |
| 09:08.36 | jblack | And SH was _perfectly_ happy working with us before and after both gulf wars. He was trying to bluff Iran, to avoid invasion. |
| 09:08.40 | mchou | I'm thinking Tropic Thunder :) |
| 09:08.53 | coppice | txafrir_laptop: sure. and it became a hot potatoe because of that. I think the manipulation only spread across the whole area due to oil |
| 09:08.54 | jblack | Hussein needed the US desperately. |
| 09:08.59 | nephfl | truth is, if you were alive during wwii you would have been against it as well and would have declared defeat |
| 09:09.08 | drmessano | I think our biggest problem is that we seriously underestimate our countries desire to not have us come in and kill them |
| 09:09.28 | mandh | yeah that was so bad |
| 09:09.50 | drmessano | nephfl: Shows how little you know about WWII history |
| 09:09.55 | mandh | i think there was another ways to do any thing ... |
| 09:10.00 | tzafrir_laptop | coppice, sure, mostly. By world war 1 Iraq was already important for its oil. The area od Mosul was included in the british Iraq rather than French Syria due to its oil |
| 09:10.08 | nephfl | i know that we were fighting it many years after we "won" |
| 09:10.13 | jblack | My question is... How long will it be before the US abandons Isreal. |
| 09:10.22 | nephfl | i know we still have assets and bases because of it |
| 09:10.27 | mandh | won after what !! |
| 09:10.37 | nephfl | i know that we lost tons of people, and carpetbombed europe |
| 09:11.27 | nephfl | i know that we executed people with out trial..and tortured people |
| 09:11.31 | mchou | that's cause white on white violence wont be tolerated |
| 09:11.33 | coppice | nephfl: actually the US was very smart in WW2 bombing, and never carpet bombed. They were very focused on industrial denail |
| 09:11.34 | nephfl | we even used concentration camps in the us |
| 09:12.15 | jblack | never carpet bombed? |
| 09:12.26 | nephfl | how many civillians were lost in that one? |
| 09:12.38 | drmessano | LOL |
| 09:12.47 | tzafrir_laptop | nephfl, war is an awful thing |
| 09:12.48 | drmessano | We didn't TARGET civilians |
| 09:12.50 | mchou | WWII was shorter than iraq war |
| 09:12.54 | nephfl | liberals will never admit victory |
| 09:13.01 | rasterix | haha with all due respect the US has never done anything smart in its history :) |
| 09:13.04 | nephfl | really? |
| 09:13.20 | mandh | :) |
| 09:13.24 | nephfl | you dont know as much about wwii as you think then |
| 09:13.33 | drmessano | nephfl: Far more than you it seems |
| 09:13.45 | jblack | I just can't think that anyone in Dresden would think the US doesn't carpet bomb civilian targets. |
| 09:13.52 | nephfl | you think it was a short war, how many years after the war was there fighting? |
| 09:14.05 | nephfl | did we ever defeat the insurgents in japan? |
| 09:14.06 | jblack | or for that matter Belgrade. |
| 09:14.17 | rasterix | woah did i come in the wrong channel? is this an asterisk channel or children fighting over politics channel? |
| 09:14.17 | drmessano | I never said it was a short war.. again, you're telling me I said something I didnt |
| 09:14.17 | nephfl | do we still have bases in europe from wwii? |
| 09:14.39 | nephfl | mchou said it was a short war |
| 09:14.55 | tzafrir_laptop | rasterix, you're in the wrong channel. We talk here about Asterisk and Obelisk. Not about Asterix and Obelix |
| 09:15.09 | mchou | nephfl: I said WWII was shorter than Iraq war |
| 09:15.11 | nephfl | it was a very long and much bloodier war, where both sides committed many more attrocities |
| 09:15.44 | rasterix | does it matter if he said its a short war? take it to private chat |
| 09:15.46 | nephfl | cant the channel be both at 5am (here anyway) |
| 09:15.53 | tzafrir_laptop | rasterix, but try asking an off-topic question about Asterisk rather than about |
| 09:16.02 | tzafrir_laptop | politics, and see how they respond |
| 09:16.15 | mchou | nephfl: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6545249 |
| 09:16.22 | jblack | IRC topic boundaries are donut shaped. |
| 09:16.28 | mchou | nephfl: that was in late 2006 |
| 09:16.38 | rasterix | tzafir: lol i know... the children will throw a toys out the pram then... |
| 09:16.57 | drmessano | Sorry, Obelisk isn't supported here.. GTFO -----> #Obelisk |
| 09:17.05 | jblack | What's a pram? |
| 09:17.11 | drmessano | An oil filter |
| 09:17.13 | drmessano | No |
| 09:17.25 | mchou | that's fram fool |
| 09:17.53 | drmessano | hey now.. Don't call me a fool... It's not like I just bombed iraq for oil |
| 09:18.04 | jblack | rasterix: You asked me a few weeks ago to lay off and be nice to you. I think I have. |
| 09:18.09 | mchou | ok, point taken |
| 09:18.17 | jblack | So please return the favor, and don't insult the closest thing to friends I have. |
| 09:18.42 | mandh | what differncees between bush and bin laden , each one of them kill others to achive what he believe!!! |
| 09:18.55 | drmessano | Holy war |
| 09:18.56 | jblack | One key difference is that Bin Laden is smart. |
| 09:19.00 | nephfl | >mchou read up on wwii, it didnt end at the announcement that it did, just like this war didnt end when we announced victory |
| 09:19.00 | mandh | right |
| 09:19.01 | drmessano | HA |
| 09:19.06 | mandh | i think that also |
| 09:19.26 | drmessano | John McCain is still fighting Vietnam |
| 09:19.39 | drmessano | If he gets elected, I expect we'll go back.. Like Rambo 7 |
| 09:19.40 | jblack | did he really get captured after crashing 5 jets? |
| 09:20.03 | jblack | not really captured, but "did he really crash 5 jets" |
| 09:20.09 | nephfl | >mandh difference is quite significant, unless you are a pacifist, which is fine, in which case you are right we should all hold hands and sing kumbaya |
| 09:20.30 | mandh | i can see that bush kill more than million child , woman |
| 09:20.40 | drmessano | Better to kill people that dont see things our way, right nephfl? |
| 09:20.41 | mchou | nephfl: dont tell me about reading up on history when you have no idea of how to read |
| 09:20.42 | mandh | so is think it is bad from bin laden itslef |
| 09:20.43 | coppice | jblack: he sounds like the character in that send up of top gun who can never landed a plane on a runway |
| 09:20.47 | mandh | all of them kill |
| 09:20.51 | mandh | killls |
| 09:20.53 | jblack | 4 accidents and 1 combat |
| 09:20.59 | drmessano | Disagree with us, we kill you |
| 09:21.04 | drmessano | Thats the spirit! |
| 09:21.21 | coppice | drmessano: its called "achieving consensus" |
| 09:22.00 | drmessano | coppice: Apparently it's also a slight form of Libertarianism I wasn't aware of.. |
| 09:22.09 | jblack | Ok. Not all five of them are fair. In one of them, at least, his jet got hit by a rocket from another jet while still on the USS Forrestal. |
| 09:22.09 | nephfl | that is hillarious |
| 09:22.13 | nephfl | reading about the crashes |
| 09:22.28 | jblack | 134 people died, but he walked. |
| 09:23.00 | nephfl | yeah that one about one guy accidentally firing of a rocket reminds me of "hot shot" |
| 09:23.03 | drmessano | jblack: If it was 2001, we would have blamed terrorists |
| 09:23.34 | mchou | anyone have experience with OpenSER? |
| 09:23.40 | drmessano | Almost reminds me a of a Zucker Brothers movie.. |
| 09:23.45 | nephfl | just like a liberal all hyperbole and no substance |
| 09:23.46 | jblack | McCain scares the shit out of me. so, I spose we can blame the old ones on terrorists too. |
| 09:23.58 | coppice | mchou: why are you bringing telecoms into this? |
| 09:24.12 | mchou | coppice: cause I have legit question |
| 09:24.18 | drmessano | nephfl: I'm still burping from all the substance you've fed us.. oh wait |
| 09:24.36 | jblack | The only upside to the republicans winning is that McCain will die and Palin will put women 'in their place'. |
| 09:25.10 | drmessano | Palin will show women that they too can have a penis |
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| 09:25.15 | coppice | jblack: the maternity ward? |
| 09:25.26 | mchou | coppice: I wanna know if OpenSer supports multiple concurrent SIP registrations with same auth tokens |
| 09:25.36 | jblack | Nah. That's Hillary, not palin, drmessano |
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| 09:25.41 | nephfl | says he only lost 4 but that is one unlucky guy |
| 09:25.45 | jblack | coppice: She is awfully conservative.... |
| 09:26.09 | jblack | Sexim/Racism is great as long as you're in the groups in power. |
| 09:26.17 | drmessano | mchou: If you support multiple concurrent SIP registrations, then you support the terrorists! |
| 09:26.23 | coppice | jblack: oh, it was just a shot in the dark based on her family's track record |
| 09:26.44 | mchou | drmessano: dont you know VOIP supportrs terrorists |
| 09:26.57 | jblack | Some of the more biased stuff I've read about her indicates that she's not a strong proponent of women's rights. |
| 09:27.09 | nephfl | wait, why did someone ask me if i use telco cards? |
| 09:27.14 | drmessano | mchou: Yeah, all us sissy tree hugging homosexual free thinking hippie SIP users |
| 09:27.22 | coppice | when a leader appears really unpopular, you need to look beyond your own perspective. nobody stays in power without support |
| 09:27.22 | jblack | I don't think she'll send 'em back to the kitchen, but I'm sure she'd work towards getting rid of roe v. wade |
| 09:27.25 | drmessano | mchou: PSTN for the win |
| 09:27.49 | mchou | drmessano: PSTN for Patriot Act |
| 09:28.04 | mchou | drmessano: SIP for end to end encryption |
| 09:28.11 | jblack | coppice: Indefinitely? perhaps. But in the us, they have up to 4 years of not needing support. |
| 09:28.32 | drmessano | mchou: If you support SIP, you support hippie sissie's. Support AT&T and you support america |
| 09:28.35 | mchou | drmessano: asterisk need not apply |
| 09:28.37 | nephfl | i dont know why republicans are so anti abortion, the bible supports it after birth, just expose them |
| 09:29.15 | nephfl | if god wants em to live, he'll make em a king or somethin |
| 09:29.22 | coppice | jblack: oh, they need support day by day. impeachment isn't that hard to achieve without enough support |
| 09:29.44 | jblack | In case you're not aware, bush has had 20% support for years now. |
| 09:30.05 | drmessano | Tonight I found out why it's that high |
| 09:30.07 | jblack | Anyways.. 70 years ago, kids were working in coal mines. 70 years from now, kids will be working in coal mines. |
| 09:30.13 | jblack | drmessano: do tell! |
| 09:30.20 | drmessano | ^^^^^ |
| 09:30.21 | nephfl | bush did inspire 2 tv shows |
| 09:30.22 | drmessano | Scroll |
| 09:30.23 | drmessano | lol |
| 09:30.30 | nephfl | i was dissapoointed "thats my bush" went away |
| 09:30.33 | jblack | coal mines? |
| 09:31.01 | jblack | What? so bush is supported by the "git-off-my-lawn" lobby? |
| 09:31.14 | drmessano | No, i'll shut up... I dont want to be called a dumbass tree huggin liberal |
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| 09:31.23 | tzafrir_laptop | mchou, which openser? |
| 09:31.34 | drmessano | Just because I dont think we need to go around killing random people |
| 09:31.35 | jblack | i'm a tree hating liberal. |
| 09:31.36 | mchou | tzafrir_laptop: any openser |
| 09:31.37 | coppice | jblack: People typically get elected with 30-40% support 20% + apathy + lethergy + "he'll be out in 4 year" this is apparently enough support. there is always a support level beyond which things change, though. |
| 09:31.37 | drmessano | *sigh* |
| 09:31.58 | mchou | tzafrir_laptop: just a general openser (forked or not) question |
| 09:32.17 | jblack | Trees grow tall just so that they can fall over an squash people, cars and houses. We should take preemptive action. |
| 09:32.34 | drmessano | That's the spirit |
| 09:32.44 | jblack | Trees: The ultimate ecoterrorist. |
| 09:32.47 | nephfl | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FX-ZhRp8sM |
| 09:32.54 | nephfl | took me a minute |
| 09:33.05 | drmessano | A vote for Obama is a vote for killer falling trees |
| 09:33.25 | jblack | <shudder> |
| 09:33.41 | jblack | Some of those plants out there, instead of feeding us, are downright poisonous! |
| 09:33.48 | jblack | WMD right in yer face |
| 09:34.21 | nephfl | hey, in florida we have some fairly strict insurance laws, i can only imagine what will be required in the future with the attitude that the government should fix everything |
| 09:34.40 | drmessano | Fix > kill |
| 09:34.54 | jblack | Heh. That pause there.. it wasn't that funny |
| 09:35.52 | jblack | checks the conference |
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| 09:35.58 | drmessano | So depending on how we vote.. we're either going to be better off |
| 09:36.04 | drmessano | or kill something |
| 09:36.09 | nephfl | im sure it will be... (fix + kill || fix + kill)||armageddon |
| 09:36.11 | drmessano | weighs |
| 09:36.14 | jblack | something always dies. |
| 09:36.35 | jblack | at least until disney characters start running for office. |
| 09:36.52 | coppice | jblack: until? :-\ |
| 09:36.59 | nephfl | lol theres a slogan "A vote for Obama is a vote for Goofy" |
| 09:37.02 | drmessano | hey, can we elect Obama/McCain.. Then we can bring joy to billions and then kill them as terrorists? |
| 09:37.40 | coppice | jblack: aren't there enough mickey mouse governments around the world already? |
| 09:38.09 | jblack | Let's elect ron paul, and see how libertarians muck things up. |
| 09:38.32 | jblack | we're too familiar with demo/repub insanity. Let's see what that one looks like. |
| 09:38.35 | nephfl | the fair tax scares me |
| 09:38.39 | oilinki3 | well. if McCain is elected, he can survive couple of years. then it's again 'war of god'. |
| 09:38.41 | nephfl | and sorta arouses me |
| 09:38.54 | jblack | who does palin hate? |
| 09:39.04 | drmessano | Lets leave libertarians out of this.. We've already gotten a dose of "slight libertarianism" tonight.. those guys sound like Nazis |
| 09:39.08 | coppice | jblack: everyone |
| 09:39.15 | nephfl | nazis? |
| 09:39.22 | oilinki3 | jblack: everyone who does not believe her god? |
| 09:39.29 | jblack | that can't be. She must like someone. |
| 09:39.31 | coppice | drmessano: Godwin's law invoked |
| 09:39.36 | nephfl | the obama sounds more like nazis (german socialist party) |
| 09:39.50 | jblack | Heh. If palin takes over, I'm seriously considering a move out of the country. May not be a safe place for athiests. |
| 09:40.12 | nephfl | you could move to canada, so you could still commute to get healthcare |
| 09:40.16 | drmessano | I dunno.. nephfl, your form of "slight libertarianism" makes me wonder how long it will be before we start throwing arabs in ovens |
| 09:40.42 | nephfl | im not anti arab, im anti car-bombing terrorist...arabs are cool |
| 09:40.46 | coppice | drmessano: only the young and tender ones, of course |
| 09:40.57 | nephfl | my half brother is arab i think, some kinda camel jockey |
| 09:41.04 | mchou | lol |
| 09:41.10 | drmessano | "camel jockey" |
| 09:41.20 | drmessano | I think that sums it up |
| 09:41.28 | nephfl | well i didnt think i should say "sand nigger" in the channel |
| 09:41.42 | jblack | wishes religion could be banned |
| 09:41.46 | nephfl | hopefully you see my sarchasm |
| 09:41.52 | coppice | the last camel jockey I saw was in india. he considered himself a farmer, though |
| 09:41.55 | drmessano | Not at all |
| 09:42.18 | mandh | drmessano, throwing arabs in oven :) bye i will run away beofre that :-D |
| 09:42.24 | coppice | jblack: that sounds like true religious intolerance |
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| 09:42.45 | nephfl | naa....obama would never throw arabs in an oven, just make sure there is a planned parenthood nearby |
| 09:42.48 | jblack | Nah. It's not that. |
| 09:43.03 | jblack | Some term fits, but that's not the right one. |
| 09:43.21 | drmessano | nephfl: Yeah, better to blow them up than to throw them in ovens.. Less cleanup afterwards, right? |
| 09:43.26 | nephfl | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Sanger |
| 09:43.30 | mandh | by the way i like obama |
| 09:43.39 | jblack | I did too, until FISA. |
| 09:43.44 | oilinki3 | religious people are ok if they keep their religions by them selves. the problem comes when people try to push their ideologies to other people. |
| 09:43.53 | tzafrir_laptop | anyway, how do you block those nasty calls you get from all the "political activists"? |
| 09:44.05 | nephfl | lol...in this channel? |
| 09:44.12 | drmessano | tzafrir_laptop: Forward them to #asterisk.. they wont call back |
| 09:44.16 | nephfl | i think you want the vicidial channel |
| 09:44.18 | jblack | oilinki3: If people could keep religion as a social experience, I'd be cool with it. Honestly! |
| 09:44.30 | tzafrir_laptop | anybody got a relevant black list? |
| 09:44.44 | oilinki3 | jblack: |
| 09:44.46 | nephfl | what area of the us? |
| 09:44.47 | drmessano | Why does it always have to be about color? |
| 09:44.52 | drmessano | ;) |
| 09:44.57 | jblack | But it seems to always sneak into politics, laws, bigotry and bias. |
| 09:45.20 | jblack | Religious belief gets a lot of peole killed for a lot of silly reasons. |
| 09:45.33 | oilinki3 | jblack: i think the religion is good if it will give comfort for some people. but it would be great if it would be an personal relationship :) |
| 09:45.34 | mandh | jblack, right |
| 09:45.46 | nephfl | unless there is a god, then it may have been an ok reason... |
| 09:45.58 | nephfl | but i wouldnt want a bunch of virgins |
| 09:46.17 | nephfl | especially in heaven where i dont have to worry about stds, i want the hottest pros out there |
| 09:46.21 | oilinki3 | in the other way. nothing wrong with religion (expect blinding the eyes), but the churches are the problem. |
| 09:46.36 | jblack | So, am I insensitive? Sure. An asshole? Definitely. But yeah, I consider religion as a type of collective schizophrenia. |
| 09:46.41 | coppice | nephfl: the bunch of virgins is good, if the long term result is not a bunch of mother in laws |
| 09:46.48 | nephfl | naa, it isnt churches that strap bombs to kids |
| 09:47.06 | mandh | it is bush :) |
| 09:47.23 | mandh | by planes |
| 09:47.28 | nephfl | delusion posibly, but DSM rules out schizo |
| 09:47.31 | coppice | nephfl: I think you are forgetting a lot of christian history when you say that |
| 09:48.18 | nephfl | christians arent big on the kamakazi... crusades, inquisition, they usually didnt kill themselves |
| 09:48.27 | jblack | bets a few people want to see me stoned to death, right about now. |
| 09:48.44 | nephfl | i was also including mosques in "churches"...i think it is mostly more radical groups |
| 09:48.53 | coppice | jblack: for religious reasons, or as a spectator sport? |
| 09:49.16 | nephfl | i hear you cant be stoned to death, that weed is non-toxic |
| 09:49.21 | mandh | nephfl, did u hear about holy wars ! |
| 09:49.32 | nephfl | the crusades? |
| 09:49.43 | nephfl | or earlier? |
| 09:49.47 | jblack | coppice: I'm sure they'd like to mix "work" with "play". =) |
| 09:51.27 | nephfl | im sure there have been a few who strapped a bomb to their chest..but not too many |
| 09:52.03 | jblack | Ok, in fall fairness, I don't really want to ban people's private worship. I just want the same sort of respect for nonbelief that they want for their beliefs. |
| 09:52.05 | johnf | sip.conf indicates that the the bit after the @ in the register line can refer to a section further down in the file. When I try this I get a complaint abut DNS errors for the alias I chose for it |
| 09:52.08 | jblack | s/fall/all |
| 09:52.10 | jblack | ohh, sip |
| 09:52.29 | jblack | johnf: Can you rephase that? |
| 09:52.49 | jblack | register => user:pass@hostname in sip.conf, correct? |
| 09:53.14 | johnf | jblack: instead of hostname I have @sip_section and then later on I have [sip_section] |
| 09:53.32 | johnf | the config file says you can do that if you want to place the incoming calls in a specific context |
| 09:53.37 | jblack | register takes the hostname, not the sip section, as I understand it. |
| 09:53.49 | johnf | but it seems to be trying to connect to sip_section as a hostname |
| 09:54.22 | johnf | From sip.conf (1.4.X) "host is either a host name defined in DNS or the name of a section defined below." |
| 09:54.38 | johnf | anyway I'll change it to the hostname |
| 09:54.43 | jblack | I wasn't aware of the latter option that you're quoting. |
| 09:55.29 | johnf | ok I'll try just specifying the hostname and see if it works out the right context anyway |
| 09:55.41 | jblack | I'm just getting my info from http://www.voip-info.org/wiki-Asterisk+config+sip.conf though |
| 09:56.40 | nephfl | yeah, are your runnin' dns and can you resolve the hostname on the asterisk box? |
| 09:58.26 | nephfl | well im out - |
| 09:58.53 | nephfl | nite |
| 09:59.03 | kkjoe | is there no version of chan_misdn which is more up to date then 0.4.0-rc28 ? |
| 10:07.26 | jblack | did you check freshmeat.net? |
| 10:08.30 | kkjoe | whats that ? |
| 10:08.49 | coppice | and saltfish.net? :-\ |
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| 10:09.47 | jblack | freshmeat.net is a site dedicated to listing software release versions. |
| 10:10.51 | jblack | Their info looks very out of date, though. THey think 0.21 is current. |
| 10:14.41 | kkjoe | so pretty useless |
| 10:15.59 | jblack | It might be accurate, if there was no release between 0.2.1 and that release candidate you're talking about. |
| 10:19.37 | kkjoe | theres a 0.3 version as well, so i guess there should be a couple of version in between |
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| 10:33.21 | mr_claus | hi, yesterday i asked to use asterisk with an usb isdn device within a xen domU, today i checked out that my server has a pci-e slot which i can use instead of usb |
| 10:33.45 | mr_claus | i checked some cards and found the Eicon Diva ISDN PCI-e |
| 10:34.06 | mr_claus | will i get into trouble with that card or can i use it with asterisk without problems? |
| 10:34.28 | mchou | seems like a wasre of a good slot :) |
| 10:34.42 | mchou | waste* |
| 10:35.16 | mr_claus | i don't need the slot for any other things |
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| 10:36.02 | mchou | I'd try out the USB prior to the PCI-e, but that's just me |
| 10:36.18 | mchou | USB a bus reset may have some issues |
| 10:36.38 | tzafrir_laptop | mr_claus, xen domU and USB? I'm not sure how well it will work |
| 10:36.54 | mchou | so there are definitely issues |
| 10:37.01 | mr_claus | mchou: i checked some USB devices, available chipsets only work with i4l which seems to work not perfectly with asterisk some times |
| 10:37.19 | mchou | yeah |
| 10:37.45 | mr_claus | tzafrir_laptop: i think xen would not be any problem, i can give the whole pci controller to a domU |
| 10:38.10 | mr_claus | tzafrir_laptop: which means all usb devices are mapped to the domU which are connected to that controller |
| 10:39.10 | mr_claus | but .. i didn't find an usb device which work with misdn, then i need T.30 and i'm not sure if all these things work with a passive usb device |
| 10:39.40 | mr_claus | the dive do all these things active but it's more then 400 euro :( |
| 10:41.32 | mchou | get an old system and old PCI card :) |
| 10:41.44 | mchou | better than spending all the bux :) |
| 10:42.39 | mchou | but if customer pays for it then it's all good |
| 10:42.40 | mr_claus | mchou: i did a lot of work to migrate all old systems i had to one system with xen, i don't want to build a new server farm :) no room to do that |
| 10:43.23 | mchou | you consolidated?? |
| 10:43.30 | mchou | wow man |
| 10:43.35 | mr_claus | but .. does anybody know if the diva works well with asterisk? |
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| 11:42.11 | Rico29 | hi |
| 11:42.42 | mateo_au | hi there |
| 11:42.44 | Rico29 | can somebody help me for configuring zapata.conf please ? |
| 11:42.48 | Rico29 | i have trouble |
| 11:43.06 | mateo_au | what's yhe problem? |
| 11:43.40 | Rico29 | in fact I dont'know how to connect the provider line to my asterisk (software) |
| 11:43.56 | Rico29 | zaptel is correctly configured |
| 11:44.07 | Rico29 | but i don't know how to configure zapata.conf |
| 11:44.13 | Rico29 | for incoming and outgoing calls |
| 11:44.21 | Rico29 | i've read a lot of things about it |
| 11:44.30 | Rico29 | but still have problems |
| 11:44.48 | mateo_au | so you're connecting to your provider via an analog phone line? |
| 11:44.52 | Rico29 | yes |
| 11:45.03 | Rico29 | with a tdm4xx card |
| 11:45.17 | Rico29 | 2 sec i pastebin my confs |
| 11:45.32 | mateo_au | my experience in mainly around VoIP |
| 11:46.01 | mateo_au | I'll take a quick look anyway |
| 11:46.07 | Rico29 | ok thanks |
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| 11:47.38 | Rico29 | http://debian.pastebin.com/m5c5cee3e |
| 11:48.06 | Rico29 | here it is |
| 11:49.47 | tzafrir_laptop | Rico29, reload of chan_zap does not add or remove channels |
| 11:49.57 | tzafrir_laptop | (or changes their signalling) |
| 11:50.02 | tzafrir_laptop | try 'zap restart' |
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| 11:50.34 | Rico29 | ok |
| 11:50.41 | Rico29 | i changed channel from 1 to 4 |
| 11:50.53 | Rico29 | i have no error message when restarting zap |
| 11:51.08 | Rico29 | oxygen*CLI> reload chan_zap.so |
| 11:51.09 | Rico29 | [Sep 14 14:19:50] WARNING[9102]: chan_zap.c:11244 process_zap: Ignoring signalling |
| 11:51.12 | Rico29 | i just get this now |
| 11:51.14 | Rico29 | :) |
| 11:51.26 | Rico29 | think it's betterthan before |
| 11:53.12 | Rico29 | thanks a lot |
| 11:53.23 | mchou | hey, is this syntax legit? $[$["${AVAR}" = "yes"] | $[${BVAR} % 2] ] |
| 11:54.00 | mchou | In other words, can expressions be nested? |
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| 12:01.40 | Tili | Hi. I am getting 50% CPU usage on quad core 2.0 GHz while using iLBC codec and 40 active SIP calls. When I tried G729, I got 98% cpu usage on same load |
| 12:01.45 | Tili | is this normal? |
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| 12:05.37 | mchou | g729 is pretty greedy |
| 12:06.07 | mchou | but I have no idea if this constitutes "normal" |
| 12:09.48 | Maliuta | 2 g729 chans on my celeron 733 hardly makes a blip |
| 12:11.28 | mchou | "My rule of thumb has been 100 G.729 channels for a dual 3.0ghz Xeon machine. Cost: around $42 per channel (I buy SCSI systems with RAID, and that includes the $10 charge for the G.729 license.) (Not including Digium 4 T1/E1 card) Your mileage may vary in both performance and price. Cost for an AS5300-style solution: around $110 per channel, and that's on the used market pricing plan." |
| 12:11.44 | mchou | that's from here: http://www.pbx.in/voip-info/wiki/view/Asterisk+dimensioning.html |
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| 12:36.49 | frogonwheels | I need a quick pointer on how to execute a shell command on startup / reload ( asterisk -x "restart gracefully" ) |
| 12:42.40 | frogonwheels | I need to reboot my pap2t ata (with wget) when I restart - otherwise it doesn't pick up the fact that the registrations are all invalid |
| 12:42.46 | frogonwheels | (until they time out) |
| 12:42.53 | tzafrir_laptop | frogonwheels, in asterisk 1.6.0 there is something. Not sure it applies for restart |
| 12:43.08 | frogonwheels | 1.4? |
| 12:44.03 | frogonwheels | ok - I might just have to use "stop gracefully" , poll till it stops, and then restart it. |
| 12:44.24 | frogonwheels | tzafrir_laptop: Any idea what 'something' is called? |
| 12:45.39 | tzafrir_laptop | cli.conf , IIRC |
| 12:46.09 | frogonwheels | tzafrir_laptop: that doesn't sound promising. |
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| 13:19.42 | Noremorse | hi all |
| 13:21.15 | Noremorse | I have a strange prob, any ideas most welcome. I have a DID which I "redirect" to a cellphone via one of my trunks, and when I call the did, my asterisk dials the cell, but I just get a continual ringing tone even when the cell answers? |
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| 13:22.09 | lirakis | hmm.. i dont know whats going on .. i have a Dial(SIP/${EXTEN}) in extensions.conf but I keep getting the following error |
| 13:22.10 | lirakis | Unable to create channel of type 'sip' (cause 3 - No route to destination) |
| 13:22.38 | Noremorse | cos u have no destination? |
| 13:22.44 | Rico29 | :) |
| 13:23.04 | Noremorse | try @trunk after it |
| 13:23.25 | lirakis | Noremorse: and if its an internal extension? |
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| 13:23.52 | Noremorse | are u dialing registered sip clients/extensions or numbers via a provider trunk? |
| 13:24.03 | lirakis | Noremorse: registered sip clients/extensions |
| 13:24.13 | lirakis | .. internal ... not out to a provider |
| 13:24.35 | Noremorse | sip show peers in cli shows them as registered? |
| 13:25.11 | jblack | lirakis: Are you sure those extensions actually exist in sip.conf |
| 13:26.02 | lirakis | Yeah ... those extensions arent registered right now ... thats the problem |
| 13:26.09 | lirakis | (duh) |
| 13:26.15 | lirakis | thanks for the pointers |
| 13:26.21 | Noremorse | np |
| 13:26.40 | Noremorse | anyone here running asterisk on a linksys nslu2 slug? |
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| 13:34.58 | slima | i do |
| 13:35.05 | Noremorse | debian? |
| 13:35.10 | slima | no |
| 13:35.40 | Noremorse | k |
| 13:35.50 | Noremorse | what ver of * ? |
| 13:36.15 | slima | -18 |
| 13:36.57 | slima | but now nslu2 is in the closet ;) |
| 13:37.08 | Noremorse | k |
| 13:37.23 | Noremorse | i was running * on a wrt54g with openwrt but it was only 1.0.10 |
| 13:37.28 | Noremorse | kept crashing |
| 13:38.15 | Noremorse | so went to slug to get 1.2 asterisk |
| 13:38.29 | Noremorse | it works nice, apart from this stupid redial prob i have |
| 13:38.36 | slima | on slug i have 1.4.18 |
| 13:38.47 | Noremorse | did u compile ? |
| 13:40.23 | slima | i have openslug and install with apt-get |
| 13:41.17 | Noremorse | hmm maybe I should have gone openslug instead of debian |
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| 13:44.43 | tzafrir_laptop | is it based on Etch or Lenny? |
| 13:44.48 | Noremorse | etch |
| 13:49.04 | Noremorse | whats diff b/w ARM and ARMEL |
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| 14:00.35 | tzafrir_laptop | armel is much better |
| 14:00.49 | tzafrir_laptop | I'm not sure how stable it is |
| 14:00.57 | Noremorse | ok |
| 14:00.59 | Noremorse | ty |
| 14:01.08 | tzafrir_laptop | e.g. armel has native support for flating point |
| 14:02.49 | Noremorse | for asterisk14, should I be using Openslug, or debian 5beta |
| 14:03.30 | UnixDawg | well I fixed the bsd ports this am and the now run menuselect |
| 14:03.33 | UnixDawg | this rocks |
| 14:04.12 | tzafrir_laptop | Noremorse, I don't know how things are on arm/armel , but Debian 5beta should have reasonable Asterisk packages |
| 14:04.43 | Noremorse | the only 2 options I have for debian 5 beta are ARM or ARMEL |
| 14:05.03 | Noremorse | either that or Openslug hehe |
| 14:05.13 | Noremorse | which definite;y has asterisk14 |
| 14:05.43 | tzafrir_laptop | I think you should try the armel |
| 14:05.56 | Noremorse | ok will do ty |
| 14:06.14 | tzafrir_laptop | (as for openslug: I am unfamiliar with it, so I can't give you an opinion about it) |
| 14:06.40 | Noremorse | k |
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| 15:14.12 | soulfreshner | I need to set up a (very) simple queue... but I don't want the receptionist to log in every moring. Reception should be the only phone in the queue |
| 15:14.23 | soulfreshner | is there a way to do that? |
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| 15:15.43 | soulfreshner | Also - I don't need music on hold, ringing will do fine, and if there is no answer in 2 minutes or so, it should go to voicemail...how do I go about doing that? |
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| 15:18.56 | Obix | hello all :) Can anyone tell me if the "Cisco Unified IP Phone 7960G" will work with both SIP and IAX2 protocols? |
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| 15:23.04 | Nugget | It will sort of work with SIP, but not with IAX. |
| 15:23.19 | Nugget | unless you have a very compelling reason to choose cisco, I'd advise against it. |
| 15:24.29 | Obix | thx for the reply :) I'm searching for a good/simple/relatively inexpensive/phone that will support both sip/iax2, any suggestions? |
| 15:24.44 | curtn | I have a Cisco 7941G working with Asterisk, but some firmwares are very tricky.. |
| 15:25.08 | soulfreshner | Obix: atcom 530 - I've only had good experience with it - and it's cheap |
| 15:25.29 | soulfreshner | supports both SIP and AIX2 |
| 15:25.34 | Obix | and it supports sip/iax with asterisk? |
| 15:25.40 | soulfreshner | yep |
| 15:25.40 | Obix | :) awesome! |
| 15:26.07 | Obix | what is the best source for them? I need 4 for a small office? |
| 15:26.14 | soulfreshner | Obix: it's a very simple phone though - so not too many bells and whistles, but cheap enough to buy a few for testing at home |
| 15:26.38 | soulfreshner | I'm in south africa, so I don't know about the best source for you... |
| 15:26.46 | Obix | i just need vm access really, callerid would be nice but not a must |
| 15:27.02 | jaytee | any phone that supports IAX should work with Asterisk since IAX was developed FOR Asterisk by the dev team and it's most likely going to be approved as an accepted protocol for VOIP |
| 15:27.14 | soulfreshner | Obix: the phones have caller ID and everything you'd expect from a decent phone... |
| 15:27.58 | Obix | sweet, i'm going to go look for some right now, thx for all the valuable info! |
| 15:28.04 | soulfreshner | np |
| 15:28.58 | Obix | I'm sure i'll be back, hopefully in the months to come i'll obtain knowledge so I can contribute here :D |
| 15:29.58 | soulfreshner | is there any way to have a call waiting type functionality without using queues? |
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| 15:30.16 | soulfreshner | preferably by only using extentions.conf |
| 15:30.25 | Assid | hi.. i have a question regarding an older version of asterisk |
| 15:30.42 | Assid | i keep seeing alot of sip channles with invite |
| 15:30.52 | Obix | soulfreshner: is it the Atcom AT-530? |
| 15:31.01 | soulfreshner | Obix: that's the one |
| 15:31.07 | Obix | super! thx |
| 15:31.19 | soulfreshner | np |
| 15:31.27 | Assid | is this like an issue in the older releases? |
| 15:31.48 | jaytee | soulfreshner, you asked the same question about a queue last night and got several answers pointing to resources. what you're trying to do is fairly simple, use the queue.conf.sample as a guide to configure your queue.conf file to have a timeout of 240. In extensions.conf in the context that handles the incoming call to the Receptionist's phone use the Queue() command to dump the call into the queue and on the very next line have the call route t |
| 15:31.48 | jaytee | o the Receptionist's voicemaibox using the Voicemail() app. And if you need examples, check Asteriskguru.com and the wiki at voip-info.org |
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| 15:33.49 | soulfreshner | jaytee: I couldn't make much sense of the resources from last night - I could only see what would be perfect for call centers, but I don't know how to set it up without having the receptionist log in every morning and log out every night |
| 15:34.05 | soulfreshner | I guess I'm looking for a bit of hand-holding :/ |
| 15:34.42 | jaytee | try #asterisk-handholding then, this channel doesn't exist to spoon feed people |
| 15:34.42 | soulfreshner | got the voicemail working, though... but only one incoming call to reception at a time |
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| 15:35.53 | jaytee | and there are plenty of good examples on the wiki and asteriskguru.com to use as well as several links to tutorials |
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| 15:36.41 | Assid | hrmm got cut :( |
| 15:36.54 | Assid | okay so.. i got this issue where i have alot of sip channels with INVITE, for some apparent reason |
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| 15:42.21 | soulfreshner | well - at least tell me if you *need* to use agents.conf - I don't want the user to have to log in to use the queue |
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| 15:44.34 | Assid | btw, anyone here tried to force ipkall to use g729 ? |
| 15:45.02 | eXcAliBuR | i'm trying to receive a call from my provider into my asterisk system and have it ring my extension, but it's not working.. and i have no idea where to start debugging |
| 15:45.14 | eXcAliBuR | i can make calls no problem |
| 15:46.06 | soulfreshner | eXcAliBuR: check zapata.conf and mak sure you have have the right context there |
| 15:46.15 | eXcAliBuR | i'm using sip for everyhin |
| 15:46.20 | eXcAliBuR | everything... |
| 15:47.00 | soulfreshner | well - check the spelling of the context in sip.conf, maybe? |
| 15:47.46 | soulfreshner | you spelled incoming with 2 'm's didn't you :P |
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| 15:48.26 | eXcAliBuR | nop |
| 15:48.59 | soulfreshner | eXcAliBuR: you have one up on me then :) |
| 15:49.44 | soulfreshner | eXcAliBuR: what happens when you dial in from outside? |
| 15:50.17 | eXcAliBuR | my internet crashes a horrible death |
| 15:50.40 | eXcAliBuR | my router restarts or something.. cos i lose all connectivity |
| 15:50.46 | eXcAliBuR | :P |
| 15:50.47 | soulfreshner | eXcAliBuR: it's *our* internet... |
| 15:51.20 | soulfreshner | eXcAliBuR: does your router restart? |
| 15:51.40 | soulfreshner | eXcAliBuR: maybe it's something on your router then - do you allow sip traffic? |
| 15:52.51 | ManxPower | eXcAliBuR: Looks like you have a Linksys router. |
| 15:53.45 | eXcAliBuR | i have a wrt54g |
| 15:53.56 | eXcAliBuR | i set port 5060 to goto my box |
| 15:53.59 | eXcAliBuR | http://pastebin.com/m5f69e098 |
| 15:54.02 | eXcAliBuR | thats my config |
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| 15:54.05 | eXcAliBuR | sip n extensions |
| 15:54.48 | ManxPower | eXcAliBuR: I only had this problem with older linksys boxes |
| 15:54.57 | ManxPower | (SIP traffic causes reboot) |
| 15:55.06 | eXcAliBuR | oh u gotta be kiddin me |
| 15:55.17 | eXcAliBuR | even if it's not running default linksys firmware? |
| 15:55.27 | eXcAliBuR | i got sveasoft running on it |
| 15:55.51 | ManxPower | eXcAliBuR: I stopped using Linksys about 5 years ago. I assume they fixed the problem, I've not heard of that issue in quite a long time. |
| 15:57.03 | ManxPower | eXcAliBuR: I recommend actually setting up the correct port forwarding, etc first. |
| 15:57.06 | ManxPower | ~sipnat |
| 15:57.06 | jbot | [~sipnat] Quick guide on configuring * + SIP behind NAT : http://www.aocomputing.net/?p=3 , otherwise check the WIKI at http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+SIP+NAT+solutions |
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| 15:58.43 | ManxPower | eXcAliBuR: My solution at the time was to use a Cisco router. |
| 16:00.14 | Alan_Hicks | Are the gsm encoded sounds in /var/lib/asterisk/sounds available in other codecs anywhere? The gsm codec just sounds terrible to my ears. |
| 16:01.23 | eXcAliBuR | did anyone look at my config files? |
| 16:01.28 | eXcAliBuR | too see if i messed up somewhere? |
| 16:03.51 | ManxPower | eXcAliBuR: messing up the config files would not reboot your router |
| 16:04.01 | ManxPower | Alan_Hicks: yes. |
| 16:04.38 | Alan_Hicks | ManxPower: Where can I find these? I've located a third party that offers sound files in other formats, but I'm as yet unsure of the quality. |
| 16:04.40 | eXcAliBuR | i'm gonna switch to wireless and go watch my router to see if it indeed reboots |
| 16:04.56 | ManxPower | Alan_Hicks: same place you downloaded Asterisk |
| 16:05.17 | Qwell | Alan_Hicks: what version of asterisk? |
| 16:05.21 | Alan_Hicks | Oh! Damn i'm a moron for not checking there first. |
| 16:05.38 | Qwell | in 1.4+, you can enable them in `make menuselect` |
| 16:05.45 | Qwell | different formats and languages |
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| 16:05.53 | Alan_Hicks | Qwell: 1.4.21.2 |
| 16:05.53 | eXcAliBuR | :} |
| 16:06.10 | Alan_Hicks | Ah. Thanks for the heads up. |
| 16:06.16 | ManxPower | http://downloads.digium.com/pub/telephony/sounds/ |
| 16:06.48 | Alan_Hicks | Thanks a lot guys. |
| 16:07.13 | Qwell | ManxPower: you're stuck in the past ;) |
| 16:07.29 | Alan_Hicks | I really don't understand why i've heard such great things about gsm. It sounds very scratchy to me. |
| 16:07.36 | ManxPower | Qwell: Maybe if they didn't hide the link on the web site |
| 16:07.50 | Qwell | Alan_Hicks: gsm sucks |
| 16:07.53 | ManxPower | Alan_Hicks: maybe you are experiencing the dreaded GSM bug? |
| 16:08.10 | jaytee | god, it really annoys me how the volume on the TV during a movie is at one level and then the commercials are always louder. TV networks suck. |
| 16:08.34 | jaytee | I really need to get Tivo or setup a Myth box |
| 16:08.38 | Alan_Hicks | ManxPower: I don't know about any such bug, but it sounds the same on every box I've used. |
| 16:08.47 | Alan_Hicks | Different asterisk versions too. |
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| 16:09.28 | ManxPower | ~gmsbug |
| 16:09.34 | jaytee | ulaw ftw! or G729 for when you need to squeeze 8 great tomatoes into a little bitty can |
| 16:09.50 | Qwell | gsm broken by that is indistinguishable from static |
| 16:10.11 | ManxPower | Qwell: Ah. Thats not the problem then. |
| 16:10.30 | Qwell | it's just gsm sucking :p |
| 16:10.36 | ManxPower | Alan_Hicks: The only other thing it could be is that your ears are broken. 8-| |
| 16:10.50 | Alan_Hicks | ManxPower: Well, it's not just my ears then. |
| 16:12.13 | *** join/#asterisk EI5GTB-macbook (n=EI5GTB@78.16.177.171) |
| 16:13.10 | Alan_Hicks | Thanks a bundle guys. My vm prompts and the like are much better now. |
| 16:20.55 | soulfreshner | my ssh connection drops if I don't hit the keyboad in 10 secs |
| 16:21.01 | soulfreshner | that is very annoying |
| 16:21.33 | ManxPower | soulfreshner: sounds like you have major non-Asterisk related issues. |
| 16:21.40 | tzafrir_laptop | soulfreshner, use screen |
| 16:22.18 | soulfreshner | ManxPower: yep :) tzafrir_laptop: I do :P - I was just chiming in - I felt like complaining |
| 16:23.50 | soulfreshner | it is related to me not wanting to test asterisk remotely, and I was justifying my mindset of wanting somebody to hold my hand... all ver psychological like |
| 16:24.32 | soulfreshner | now I don't need anybody to hold my hand... I need someone to hide the hammer |
| 16:26.01 | soulfreshner | anyhoo - turns out the client actually lives at the office... and I've been testing the phones into the morning... |
| 16:27.01 | soulfreshner | obviously I didn't know he was actually there, and the ssh session doesn't last long enough for me to see someone is picking up the phone at 02:30 am |
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| 16:38.04 | ManxPower | soulfreshner: Do you KNOW the router is rebooting? I had a situation earlier this year where the ethernet port on our new mail server was causing tcp session drops. Replaced the card and everything was fixed. |
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| 16:45.02 | EI5GTB | hi guys. Why would it be that sip softphone A can call sip softphone B but B cannot call A. And i get a cause 3 - no route to desitination from asterisk?? |
| 16:45.23 | ManxPower | EI5GTB: one of them is not registered. |
| 16:45.37 | ManxPower | "sip show peers" shoes the IP or reg status of all the devices |
| 16:45.57 | rasterix | if one wasnt registered wouldnt neither be able to call the other? |
| 16:46.06 | EI5GTB | the one that wont ring has no host specified |
| 16:46.16 | EI5GTB | abviouly a problem when you want to establish a connection |
| 16:46.25 | ManxPower | no. Registration only has to do with Asterisk -> PHONE calls, not Phone -> Asterisk calls. |
| 16:46.42 | ManxPower | EI5GTB: then the one that won't ring is not registering to Asterisk |
| 16:46.49 | EI5GTB | thanks |
| 16:47.08 | EI5GTB | lol, typical, the one that isnt working is the one running on windows!! |
| 16:48.09 | EI5GTB | and it takes quite a length of time to establish calls |
| 16:48.17 | EI5GTB | abviously the same problem.. |
| 16:49.09 | EI5GTB | aha, the big massive tick box "register with domain" was un ticked |
| 16:49.21 | [TK]D-Fender | EI5GTB : perhaps you could actually describe the entire picture of how A & B are located relative to * & each other... |
| 16:49.59 | EI5GTB | [TK]D-Fender, well, i can, but the problems fixed :) |
| 16:50.11 | EI5GTB | thanks to ManxPower |
| 16:50.40 | EI5GTB | who had the intelligence to prioritise problems.. |
| 16:50.49 | EI5GTB | and hence didnt need the wohole picture |
| 16:51.16 | ManxPower | EI5GTB: [TK]D-Fender's methods are surprisingly effective. |
| 16:52.06 | EI5GTB | i know, but sofar every time i have asked for simple help, he has needed the entire situation... |
| 16:52.10 | [TK]D-Fender | beats his problem with a big stick, right on the head |
| 16:52.46 | EI5GTB | but anyway, the problem is solved now |
| 16:52.57 | EI5GTB | it was indeed that the phone want registering |
| 16:53.04 | [TK]D-Fender | EI5GTB : anf if your 10 second reply was Windows PC and Mac on local lan with * server, I'd have moved on to having you dump your peer where we would have seen it wasn't registered |
| 16:53.04 | EI5GTB | wasn't* |
| 16:53.35 | [TK]D-Fender | EI5GTB : You go there a slightly different way in roughly the same time it should take |
| 16:53.49 | EI5GTB | i know, i suppose i assumed that everyone plays with asterisk on local networks |
| 16:54.01 | [TK]D-Fender | EI5GTB : unfortunately no. |
| 16:54.09 | EI5GTB | im starting to realise that :P |
| 16:54.16 | jaytee | ~assume |
| 16:54.16 | jbot | About assumptions : http://www.moviewavs.com/php/sounds/?id=gog&media=WAVS&type=Movies&movie=Long_Kiss_Goodnight"e=assume.txt&file=assume.wav |
| 16:54.44 | jaytee | or as some would say, assumption is the mother of all fuckups |
| 16:55.04 | [TK]D-Fender | EI5GTB : Too many go "Hey I got a VPS running inside 2 NAT's with 2 TCP/IP -> SPX gateways, why isn't it working?!?!?!" |
| 16:55.34 | [TK]D-Fender | EI5GTB : In this world, lack of details can get you ^%$#ing killed |
| 16:55.37 | EI5GTB | haha, very true |
| 16:55.45 | jaytee | SPX? god, are people still using that? |
| 16:55.49 | ManxPower | or get you a $10,000 phone bill |
| 16:56.00 | EI5GTB | yea, i tend to stay on irc channels where i know everyone and everyone knows me |
| 16:56.22 | UnixDawg | have a question |
| 16:56.46 | jaytee | have a cracker! |
| 16:56.50 | UnixDawg | why has asterisk not moved from meetme to app_conf that anthm wrote for asterisk |
| 16:56.52 | EI5GTB | the last time i ventured into #C i ended up in a 10m argument, and didnt get my (later turned out to be fairly easy soloution) question anwerd |
| 16:57.01 | Qwell | UnixDawg: tell him to license it |
| 16:57.06 | UnixDawg | to do away for the need of a timing source |
| 16:57.23 | jeev | woo hoo |
| 16:57.26 | jeev | kansas city game is on tv |
| 16:57.41 | UnixDawg | last I knew he handed it off to you guys |
| 16:57.44 | UnixDawg | maybe not |
| 16:59.10 | ManxPower | UnixDawg: Get anthm to sign the disclaimer and it might be. |
| 16:59.37 | [TK]D-Fender | UnixDawg: timing still helps with MoH, and is needed for IAX2 trunking |
| 16:59.55 | UnixDawg | and in 1.6 its needed for more |
| 17:00.08 | EI5GTB | heh, we should try to break a world record for the most hops for one phonecall... |
| 17:00.10 | ManxPower | UnixDawg: cite your source. |
| 17:00.14 | tzafrir_laptop | in 1.6.1, actually |
| 17:00.23 | ManxPower | EI5GTB: I did 23 hops once. |
| 17:00.29 | EI5GTB | haha, really? |
| 17:00.32 | UnixDawg | the issue I see is asterisk need to include a timer in iot so those who dont need zaptel can still use apps |
| 17:00.43 | ManxPower | using free space optical and a 56K link from Santa Monica to Dublin |
| 17:00.52 | EI5GTB | cool |
| 17:00.53 | UnixDawg | app_transfer in 1.6 needs meetme and dahdi |
| 17:01.13 | EI5GTB | ManxPower, You live in dublin? |
| 17:01.17 | ManxPower | UnixDawg: that is not citing your source. |
| 17:01.23 | ManxPower | EI5GTB: no. |
| 17:01.31 | UnixDawg | citing my source for what |
| 17:01.35 | *** part/#asterisk Alan_Hicks (n=alan@cardinal.lizella.net) |
| 17:01.40 | [TK]D-Fender | UnixDawg: doesn't sound like a "transfer" to me. Last I heard that was for a SIP/2BCT/H323 etc hand-off... |
| 17:01.52 | EI5GTB | ManxPower, a dam, im about 300k north of dublion in donegal |
| 17:01.55 | ManxPower | UnixDawg: additional apps needing a zaptel timer in 1.6 |
| 17:02.13 | jeev | fender is going to name his first child Zaptel |
| 17:02.35 | ManxPower | jeev: I think he's too smart to have children. |
| 17:03.05 | drmessano | Fender is going to make name his first child Zaptel and make them call him Dahdi |
| 17:03.11 | ManxPower | I certainly don't want any of those loud, dirty, disease carrying things called "children" |
| 17:03.16 | jeev | lol |
| 17:03.48 | jeev | ok, i'm gonan force myself |
| 17:03.57 | UnixDawg | hold on looking at menuselect it tells you what needs dadhi |
| 17:04.03 | jeev | i better start up on my postfix's servers for west coast after the k.c. game |
| 17:04.06 | UnixDawg | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:04.10 | UnixDawg | hold a min |
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| 17:04.43 | Corydon76-dig | ManxPower: I'm planning on raising kids, though I certainly won't name any of them "Zaptel" |
| 17:04.51 | UnixDawg | I thougth moh no longer needed timing |
| 17:05.09 | drmessano | I thought 1.6.1 was going to remove the need for timing |
| 17:05.23 | ManxPower | UnixDawg: It NEVER DID. |
| 17:05.24 | UnixDawg | nope meetme still needs it |
| 17:05.36 | ManxPower | One would expect MeetMe to need it. |
| 17:05.37 | Corydon76-dig | Meetme doesn't need timing |
| 17:05.54 | ManxPower | Corydon76-dig: according to russell it needs Zaptel mixing and timing |
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| 17:06.02 | Corydon76-dig | Meetme uses the Zaptel/DAHDI layer for MIXING, not TIMING |
| 17:06.20 | ManxPower | well go fight it out with russell then |
| 17:06.32 | Corydon76-dig | Don't need to |
| 17:06.57 | ManxPower | But this still does not substantiate UnixDawg assertion that MORE things need Zaptel in 1.6 than in previous releases. |
| 17:07.13 | *** part/#asterisk korihor (n=korihor@190.78.32.60) |
| 17:07.21 | Corydon76-dig | Other things in the past have used Zaptel for timing, which is where the confusion laid |
| 17:07.21 | Corydon76-dig | And I'll admit that I also propagated that confusion |
| 17:07.57 | Corydon76-dig | but MeetMe is about the mixing capability |
| 17:08.05 | UnixDawg | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:08.32 | Corydon76-dig | No, app_page just needs meetme, which in turn needs dahdi |
| 17:08.34 | drmessano | Starting with Asterisk 1.6.1, you will no longer need DAHDI installed at all to get proper timing in Asterisk. There is a new timing API, and there are already two implementations. There is a DAHDI timing interface (res_timing_dahdi) and another (res_timing_pthread) that has no special kernel requirements. |
| 17:08.46 | drmessano | Keep in mind, that MeetMe, the Asterisk conferencing application, still requires DAHDI. MeetMe uses the DAHDI conference mixing. It doesnât just use it for timing. However, do not worry! Coming soon, we will have a new bridging API that provides software conference mixing, among many other benefits. |
| 17:08.48 | Corydon76-dig | app_page is very simply a wrapper around app_meetme |
| 17:09.00 | drmessano | That's from Russell |
| 17:09.09 | UnixDawg | ok |
| 17:09.27 | Corydon76-dig | drmessano: yep, it's what file was working on about 6 months ago |
| 17:09.43 | drmessano | But |
| 17:09.55 | ManxPower | app_flash needs zaptel. Now there is an interesting rumor. |
| 17:10.07 | ManxPower | Ah, no, I guess if you want to FLASH you would need zaptel. |
| 17:10.12 | ManxPower | same as BEFORE |
| 17:10.14 | Corydon76-dig | ManxPower: Correct |
| 17:10.15 | UnixDawg | it says so in the menuselect |
| 17:10.43 | drmessano | Since we are talking about internet media drama.. I have already prepared the Article "Asterisk 1.6.0: What could have been" where I complain about all the things coming in early 1.6 releases but NOT in 1.6.0 |
| 17:10.46 | Corydon76-dig | Flash-hook really only makes sense in the context of an analog line |
| 17:10.47 | drmessano | Just to make the internet happy |
| 17:11.00 | ManxPower | UnixDawg: I suspect it has ALWAYS needed zaptel. |
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| 17:11.20 | Corydon76-dig | drmessano: that's the whole point of the 1.6 series |
| 17:11.28 | ManxPower | so, I ask again, what 1.6 applications need zaptel/dahdi that did not need it in previous versions? |
| 17:11.29 | Corydon76-dig | drmessano: that changes will come incrementally |
| 17:11.50 | Corydon76-dig | ManxPower: afaik, none |
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| 17:12.20 | UnixDawg | thast not what I was saying I asked why had they not moved to a conf bridge that did not require zaptel for timing |
| 17:12.41 | UnixDawg | as that having to install zaptel for timing is a waste imho |
| 17:12.47 | drmessano | Corydon76-dig: I know.. My comment was really extending my statement last night about how the day any new package is released, prepackaged stories about the demise of said project MUST hit the internet like prewritten obituaries for celebs |
| 17:13.00 | UnixDawg | there should be timing built into asterisk |
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| 17:13.15 | drmessano | "Will Asterisk 1.6 be the last version of Asterisk?" <--- That sort of crap |
| 17:13.23 | Corydon76-dig | Oh |
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| 17:14.10 | Corydon76-dig | Well, 1.6 may very well be the last verison of Asterisk, given that we've changed the release model, just like Linux 2.6 may very well be the last version of Linux |
| 17:14.14 | drmessano | Im sure there are lots of people looking to rip Digium apart for not waiting longer to release 1.6 so it could include feature X |
| 17:14.30 | drmessano | Not that it's justified |
| 17:14.34 | drmessano | Just "because" |
| 17:14.37 | ManxPower | drmessano: I've ripped Digium apart over their new release model. |
| 17:14.53 | drmessano | I'm disappointed that 1.6 doesn't include free phone calls to Bejing |
| 17:14.55 | ManxPower | I believe it will be the worst thing to happen to Asterisk since...well...ever. |
| 17:15.19 | Corydon76-dig | It's not that we're stopping development; it's that the release management model doesn't necessitate incrementing the second number past 6. |
| 17:15.28 | tzafrir_laptop | So far I don't see this new release model in action |
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| 17:16.00 | tzafrir_laptop | So far we've had a very delayed 1.6.0 . And thus features have to wait |
| 17:16.38 | Corydon76-dig | ManxPower: I hope that you're wrong. |
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| 17:16.55 | drmessano | I'd rather have to wait a little for 1.6 than to wait 12 revisions for 1.6 to be stable |
| 17:17.04 | ManxPower | tzafrir_laptop: I'm hoping Mark does what he has done a few times in the past. Mark has a few drinks at Astricon and decides "Oh hell, I'll release the damn thing right now." 8-) |
| 17:17.15 | tzafrir_laptop | I thought that the point was more releases out, which means you can safely wait with an "almost mature" feature for the next release |
| 17:17.30 | Corydon76-dig | Mark is not in charge of releases anymore. |
| 17:17.43 | afink_ | Hello everyone. Is there a tutorial somewhere someone could point me to, to migrate asterisk boxes? I need to switch out a box using a different distro but I would like to know if I can keep the user setup vm greetings and everything by copying certain directories. |
| 17:17.53 | tzafrir_laptop | wel, if this is going to be an Astricon release, it won't be such a bad timing |
| 17:18.10 | tzafrir_laptop | Heck, I wouldn't mind waiting an extra week or two for that :-) |
| 17:18.44 | Corydon76-dig | has no comment. |
| 17:18.57 | drmessano | From an outsider looking in, it looks to me like they're trying to make 1.6 as much of a rock as possible with so much hanging on it's release |
| 17:19.02 | UnixDawg | ok well I just built 1.6 on bsd and hey no compile issues other then dahdi has no been ported to bsd yet |
| 17:19.21 | drmessano | I mean, as I said, the day 1.6.0 comes out, it will be picked apart |
| 17:19.24 | tzafrir_laptop | UnixDawg, any news on porting dahdi to freebsd? |
| 17:19.38 | UnixDawg | gonzo has not responeded to me |
| 17:19.41 | drmessano | Better to make it not suck, get people not scared to use it, then get them on the cycle, IMO |
| 17:19.57 | UnixDawg | he has all the patches and the script we use to build the dir and move the files |
| 17:20.09 | UnixDawg | once I get it from him I can move forward |
| 17:20.14 | drmessano | Do we want another "use 1.2, 1.4 sucks.. maybe by 1.4.15 or so it will be usable" scenario? |
| 17:20.21 | Corydon76-dig | UnixDawg: shouldn't be majorly difficult. We haven't changed anything in any major way between Zaptel and DAHDI |
| 17:20.36 | ManxPower | drmessano: I think we will have that no matter what the release cycle is. |
| 17:21.00 | jaytee | I'm not that concerned about the release. If it's as stable as the rc6 version it'll be usable enough with few exceptions. I consider every Microsoft release to be beta until at least Service Pack 2 usually. |
| 17:21.30 | UnixDawg | well in out ports we are only 1.4.6 and it needs to be upped to the current |
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| 17:22.17 | Corydon76-dig | jaytee: I'm please to hear you say that |
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| 17:22.52 | drmessano | ManxPower: Maybe, maybe not.. It seems like things are being more carefully put in place with 1.6 |
| 17:22.53 | Corydon76-dig | jaytee: this is exactly why we went through so many betas and so many release candidates |
| 17:23.22 | UnixDawg | but this is unix and it muct be stable on every first realse of a new version ... no if ands or but's about it.... |
| 17:23.24 | UnixDawg | lol |
| 17:23.31 | ManxPower | *shrug* I've been wrong before. Like that time I said "this web thing will NEVER take off!" |
| 17:23.57 | drmessano | Sure, 1.6.0 will fail as a .0 release.. There's no doubt in my mind.. That's just the doom of being a .0 |
| 17:24.04 | ManxPower | If Digium is REALLY confident 1.6 will be good, why don't they install it on the Digium corporate PBX? |
| 17:24.09 | jaytee | Corydon76-dig, the only thing in 1.6 that's lacking 1.4 that I want is SIP TCP which in early testing with rc6 and a few Polycom test phones is working ok for me. I need SIP TCP to talk directly to Exchange UM instead of having to use sipX as a proxy. |
| 17:24.50 | Corydon76-dig | ManxPower: because we're using Switchvox for the same reason, and Switchvox developers haven't developed a front-end for 1.6 yet |
| 17:24.58 | jaytee | for others there may be other needs driving their migration. I always prefer to have something released when it's deemed ready by the devs and not user demand. |
| 17:25.40 | Corydon76-dig | ManxPower: they're working on it, though, and when they're ready, we probably will switch |
| 17:25.44 | ManxPower | jaytee: The QA people know when something is stable, not developers. |
| 17:25.56 | UnixDawg | bbiab back to ports |
| 17:26.08 | ManxPower | Corydon76-dig: let the community know. I believe it will cause a significant increase in 1.6 usage when Digium does that. |
| 17:26.09 | UnixDawg | I need to find a new bsd server for test builds |
| 17:26.17 | jaytee | ManxPower, ok |
| 17:26.36 | UnixDawg | as my test server is getting old and outdated |
| 17:26.38 | UnixDawg | lol |
| 17:26.52 | Corydon76-dig | ManxPower: I'll ask our IT people about it, and perhaps they will upgrade our pbxproxy to 1.6 |
| 17:27.26 | UnixDawg | pbxproxy ? |
| 17:27.33 | stencil | UnixDawg: you build the port for FreeBSD or all the BSDs? |
| 17:27.43 | UnixDawg | cant keep up with all the voip projects |
| 17:27.51 | Corydon76-dig | UnixDawg: yeah, all phones that we use internally or over the VPN are registered to a different box |
| 17:27.56 | UnixDawg | I do the freebsd ports |
| 17:28.02 | stencil | nice |
| 17:28.07 | Corydon76-dig | Or rather, all internal phones that aren't Polycoms |
| 17:28.10 | ManxPower | Corydon76-dig: there is NOTHING better for product stability than "eating your own dog food" |
| 17:28.11 | drmessano | Well, even though 1.4 got a lot of the IAX2 and SIP updates of late, I think 1.6 is going to be where a lot of users will see the benefit of those fixes.. Those that are on 1.4.i-forgot releases that will jump to 1.6 |
| 17:28.23 | Corydon76-dig | ManxPower: that's why we do it for Switchvox |
| 17:28.50 | ManxPower | Corydon76-dig: A logical thing -- it generates revenue more directly. |
| 17:29.13 | UnixDawg | grr anyone want to donate a freebsd jail |
| 17:29.18 | Corydon76-dig | Well, among other reasons. The windows users in the corporation demand Outlook integration, which is, I think, the real reason for Switchvox |
| 17:29.22 | UnixDawg | for testing and building of ports |
| 17:29.49 | ManxPower | add SIP to IAXTel and run 1.6 there. |
| 17:29.59 | *** part/#asterisk trelane (n=trelane@dsl093-203-152.ind1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 17:30.00 | Corydon76-dig | iaxtel is defunct |
| 17:30.05 | drmessano | If Digium threw 1.2 and 1.4 out and adopted 1.6 early for internal processes, that would be impressive. |
| 17:30.09 | UnixDawg | iaxtel is dead |
| 17:30.14 | UnixDawg | rest in pieces |
| 17:30.22 | ManxPower | Corydon76-dig: then they should SHUT IT DOWN |
| 17:30.42 | Corydon76-dig | ManxPower: perhaps one day |
| 17:30.55 | Corydon76-dig | ManxPower: when IT has nothing else to do |
| 17:31.18 | jaytee | tries to remember when he had "nothing else to do" |
| 17:31.35 | [TK]D-Fender | jaytee: Thats right after you die. |
| 17:31.36 | jeev | cause jaytee just goes rollerblading if he has nothing else to do |
| 17:31.37 | jaytee | I think it was in 8th grade or thereabouts |
| 17:31.38 | ManxPower | Corydon76-dig: if it's defunct then what is it doing now? |
| 17:31.45 | Corydon76-dig | The developers are no longer in charge of the Digium PBX, as they once were |
| 17:31.52 | drmessano | As much as I hate to bring M$ into it, when they moved all their outward facing sites (the .coms) over to IIS6 when they were talking about how much better it was than IIS5, people really did not notice |
| 17:32.08 | ManxPower | Corydon76-dig: and THAT is the biggest mistake in my opinion. |
| 17:32.10 | Corydon76-dig | Or really, any services that don't have to do with development and testing |
| 17:32.54 | Corydon76-dig | ManxPower: Nah, simply a matter of a company getting bigger and getting a dedicated IT staff, instead of everybody doubling for IT |
| 17:33.10 | [TK]D-Fender | Corydon76-dig: that can sound like a "do as I say, not as I do", and "I ts there.... but I wouldn't bet MONEY on it." |
| 17:33.39 | jaytee | want a good laugh, our Sharepoint portal home page can only be viewed properly with Internet Explorer. Firefox, Opera, Google Chrome and others can't deal with the iframe layouts. bad internal design that my boss wants to ignore. |
| 17:33.44 | Corydon76-dig | [TK]D-Fender: it means we have to convince IT to use it... so that should INCREASE your confidence level |
| 17:34.07 | [TK]D-Fender | Corydon76-dig: when the AGREE... perhaps ;) |
| 17:34.10 | [TK]D-Fender | they* |
| 17:34.27 | drmessano | Corydon76-dig |
| 17:34.38 | Corydon76-dig | [TK]D-Fender: precisely. I'll talk to someone in IT tomorrow about upgrading the pbxproxy to 1.6, like I said |
| 17:34.38 | drmessano | What you said here is VERY profound |
| 17:35.36 | ManxPower | Corydon76-dig: if you succeed it in doing that it will be good for EVERYONE. |
| 17:35.57 | [TK]D-Fender | Corydon76-dig: a start. Then comes the test of how Digium pushes * Dev to a point where 1.4 can hit EOL. |
| 17:36.24 | drmessano | Honestly.. You're telling me Digium IT is your checks-and-balances internally.. that they need to be convinced the code is good, and more than jusy the programmers saying "Oh, we know it's good, we wrote it".. To me, this process of getting IT involves and the eventual rollout would be EXTREMEMLY interesting to share online |
| 17:36.42 | Corydon76-dig | [TK]D-Fender: at this point, we're still working on getting 1.6.0 to release status. Until that happens, no discussion of 1.4 EOL will happen |
| 17:36.44 | drmessano | I doubt it works that way in a lot of software houses that dogfood |
| 17:37.42 | [TK]D-Fender | Corydon76-dig: Mor than aware of that. Keeping in mind we've been in beta for more than half a YEAR |
| 17:38.12 | [TK]D-Fender | checks to see if his glacier has crept up on him while he wasn't looking |
| 17:38.21 | drmessano | I'm sure at M$, even though their dogfooding is impressive just on the mere adoption of it, I don't think M$ IT says "No, we don't think it's ready to be on our servers yet.. " They get told STFU, we need to get it out there |
| 17:39.43 | drmessano | This is the kind of "struggle" people would like to see to help convince themselves 1.6 is going to be stable out the door |
| 17:39.46 | rasterix | M$ switch their own servers to a new os whilst its still in beta? I didnt know that |
| 17:39.52 | drmessano | yes |
| 17:39.58 | tzafrir_laptop | drmessano, MS also has a lot more servers to play with |
| 17:40.27 | drmessano | Doesn't matter. They still put Beta code on ALL of their web facing boxes |
| 17:40.46 | drmessano | They did that with Exchange as well |
| 17:41.36 | drmessano | Like I said, interesting and impressive, but at the same time.. Management tells IT when it's ready to dogfood |
| 17:41.41 | jaytee | personally I love Vista because we sometimes face the threat of flooding here and you can never have too many boat anchors for safety's sake. |
| 17:41.45 | rasterix | when it comes to marketing strategy m$ could learn a lot from digium... ;) |
| 17:42.41 | drmessano | From what Corydon76-dig says, that's not the case on the inside there.. and to me, that's worth sifting through the blogspam for.. Would make great publicity for 1.6 |
| 17:43.03 | EI5GTB | what ports need to be forwarded for a sip phone outside my internal network to connect to my * server? i have 5060 udp forwarded, but there is more? |
| 17:43.08 | drmessano | Of course, it means 1.6 being ready and able to be accepted by their IT |
| 17:44.13 | jaytee | EI5GTB, RTP ports |
| 17:44.26 | EI5GTB | suppose that would help |
| 17:44.50 | EI5GTB | the persons phone tried registering, but it came up under sip show peers as their local address on their network? |
| 17:45.06 | EI5GTB | is there more than meets the =eye with sip across the web? |
| 17:45.18 | drmessano | Just read the guides |
| 17:45.21 | drmessano | It's not that hard |
| 17:45.29 | tzafrir_laptop | http://searchdns.netcraft.com/?position=limited&host=microsoft.com - all of the are 2003. Nothing newer |
| 17:45.32 | drmessano | Everyone makes it out to be high drama, which it's not |
| 17:45.50 | tzafrir_laptop | (except some labled as "linux" or so because they are behind some sort of proxy) |
| 17:46.14 | tzafrir_laptop | That's the famous "MS eating its own dogfood" |
| 17:46.55 | EI5GTB | grr, have to restart modem |
| 17:46.56 | [TK]D-Fender | EI5GTB ... |
| 17:46.58 | [TK]D-Fender | ~sipnat |
| 17:46.59 | jbot | [~sipnat] Quick guide on configuring * + SIP behind NAT : http://www.aocomputing.net/?p=3 , otherwise check the WIKI at http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+SIP+NAT+solutions |
| 17:47.00 | [TK]D-Fender | ^^^^^^^^^^^^ |
| 17:47.13 | EI5GTB | [TK]D-Fender, cheers |
| 17:47.18 | drmessano | tzafrir_laptop: Oh really? So how is it they are running IIS7 |
| 17:47.22 | drmessano | I just checked it HERE |
| 17:47.24 | drmessano | FAIL |
| 17:48.07 | drmessano | Server: Microsoft-IIS/7.0 |
| 17:48.21 | drmessano | Which is part of Server 2008 |
| 17:48.57 | tzafrir_laptop | where? |
| 17:48.59 | drmessano | If you're gonna bash M$, stick with the stuff they actually do wrong |
| 17:49.20 | drmessano | I just checked the host headers directly not from some stupid website |
| 17:49.20 | tzafrir_laptop | drmessano, I dodn't check myself, just used the data from netcraft |
| 17:49.37 | tzafrir_laptop | maybe they have upgraded in the recent month |
| 17:49.45 | drmessano | They upgraded a YEAR ago |
| 17:50.08 | drmessano | They have been on beta 2008 code for a while now |
| 17:50.23 | baliktad | it's true, not only are all microsoft.com web servers running Server 2008, they're all virtualized in Hyper-V |
| 17:50.59 | baliktad | with a good portion running on a platform that's not even announced yet :) |
| 17:51.28 | drmessano | They actually do a substantial amount of dogfooding |
| 17:51.42 | drmessano | It's not just PR and hype |
| 17:52.17 | Corydon76-dig | drmessano: I've sent your suggestion to the director of marketing |
| 17:52.30 | drmessano | Corydon76-dig: Wow, that's awesome |
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| 17:52.46 | tzafrir_laptop | drmessano, what address did you check? |
| 17:55.46 | drmessano | www.microsoft.com, technet.microsoft.com, froums.microsoft.com |
| 17:56.09 | drmessano | Windowsupdate is still on IIS6 apparently |
| 17:56.14 | drmessano | err forums |
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| 17:58.26 | drmessano | http://www.panopticoncentral.net/archive/2004/12/10/2828.aspx |
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| 18:18.42 | ManxPower | . |
| 18:18.55 | [TK]D-Fender | just found ManxPower's point |
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| 18:23.55 | UnixDawg | was it blunt or sharp |
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| 18:29.10 | EI5GTB | hmm, well i have the nat thing sorted out, and both phones are registering and ringing, but now there is no voice flowing between them. I have forwarded UDP ports 16384-32767 on both sides, but still nothing |
| 18:29.22 | EI5GTB | do i have the correct ports for rtp? |
| 18:29.30 | Qwell | see rtp.conf |
| 18:29.36 | EI5GTB | k |
| 18:29.50 | EI5GTB | aha |
| 18:29.53 | EI5GTB | i dont |
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| 18:32.12 | [TK]D-Fender | EI5GTB : feel free to read the guide again... |
| 18:32.35 | EI5GTB | heh, i just had differing ports set in my conf.. somthing dumb, as always |
| 18:33.38 | EI5GTB | a "realod" command will reload the rtp.conf, yes? |
| 18:34.49 | [TK]D-Fender | EI5GTBWhen spelled properly, yes |
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| 18:35.00 | EI5GTB | :P |
| 18:35.02 | EI5GTB | ktnx |
| 18:35.22 | EI5GTB | well, there is abviously somthing else wrong, time to give the hude anoter read |
| 18:35.26 | EI5GTB | guide* |
| 18:35.55 | _zoomy_ | Qwell: Hey again. I was asking the other day how to put a character in between some other characters and someone told me to use CUT(), but you tried to tell me something else... |
| 18:37.04 | _zoomy_ | Qwell: what I want to do is in "some language": STR=1234; STR=STR[1:3]+:+STR[3:5] |
| 18:37.26 | _zoomy_ | Qwell: and its in the dialplan. How can i do this? |
| 18:38.19 | _zoomy_ | Qwell: STR always has length 4 |
| 18:38.43 | [TK]D-Fender | _zoomy_: Show us a before & after sample or two please |
| 18:39.53 | _zoomy_ | [TK]D-Fender: Its really just to put in a ":" in a 24-hour time. 0000 ---> 00:00 etc |
| 18:40.21 | [TK]D-Fender | _zoomy_: ${STR:0:2}:${STR:2:2} |
| 18:40.37 | _zoomy_ | [TK]D-Fender: awesome |
| 18:40.53 | [TK]D-Fender | _zoomy_: as in Set(normalclock=${STR:0:2}:${STR:2:2}) |
| 18:41.26 | _zoomy_ | [TK]D-Fender: yup. thanks alot. |
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| 19:14.03 | UnixDawg | man I got 6 new ports ready for pr I got alot done |
| 19:14.09 | UnixDawg | bbl break time |
| 19:24.27 | implicit | ;) |
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| 19:58.21 | sapere | has anyone experienced any issues with asterisk causing network congestion on their LAN, such that it confuses your router which needs to be rebooted? |
| 19:58.50 | sapere | network activity is probably a more accurate description, rather than congestion |
| 19:58.55 | mchou | hey, is this syntax legit? $[$["${AVAR}" = "yes"] | $[${BVAR} % 2] ] ; in other words can expressions be nested in extensions.conf? |
| 19:59.21 | mchou | sapere: get a decent router :) |
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| 19:59.52 | mchou | sapere: but network activity is normal |
| 20:00.40 | sapere | mchou: i have a linksys wrt54g ... not sure of its quality but i know there are changes i can make to the router's config to better support P2P traffic, and am wondering if i need to do the same thing for asterisk activity |
| 20:00.56 | mchou | which version of wrt54g? |
| 20:01.24 | sapere | hmm i'll check |
| 20:01.25 | mchou | and what firmware you using? |
| 20:01.55 | mchou | cause I have wrt54g v3 and openwrt. works great! |
| 20:01.59 | sapere | default firmware, it's wrt54g v8 |
| 20:02.07 | sapere | i've used openwrt before, it works just fine |
| 20:02.24 | drmessano | ZOMG |
| 20:02.27 | mchou | oh crap. I feel sorry for you. v8 factory firmware |
| 20:02.28 | sapere | but i'm not sure if i need go thru the trouble again |
| 20:02.34 | drmessano | WRT54G v8's are awful |
| 20:02.39 | sapere | really? how so |
| 20:02.58 | drmessano | Buggy, slow, made cheaper and cheaper |
| 20:03.10 | drmessano | You could have gotten a GL |
| 20:03.11 | sapere | the hardware is completely horrible? or just the firmware |
| 20:03.26 | mchou | HW and firmware. |
| 20:03.37 | drmessano | GL would set you back the same $$$ |
| 20:03.43 | mchou | less ZRAM and flash, iirc |
| 20:03.45 | sapere | hmm, perhaps this is why i have to reboot the router once a day |
| 20:03.51 | sapere | (now that i have asterisk, that is) |
| 20:04.00 | mchou | drmessano: it's probably too late for the guy now |
| 20:04.00 | drmessano | I rebooted back in 2006 I think |
| 20:04.53 | mchou | yeah, a GL would have been a better choice |
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| 20:05.33 | mchou | drmessano: the nonGL sometimes have rebates (in other words less bux) |
| 20:06.07 | sapere | well, so is it absolutely pointless to even bother attempting to get an asterisk install on a network behind a wrt54g v8 router? |
| 20:06.08 | drmessano | They're average about $12 cheaper |
| 20:06.40 | mchou | sapere: I'd unload that router if you reboot once/day :) |
| 20:06.55 | mchou | sapere: asterisk or no asterisk |
| 20:07.19 | sapere | i've only had problems since i added an asterisk server to my network (and been placing calls between peers on the network) |
| 20:07.35 | drmessano | Oh here we go |
| 20:07.46 | drmessano | Application Denial |
| 20:08.28 | drmessano | "it worked fine before I <insert name of some process that should never cause the problem>" |
| 20:08.44 | mchou | looks up "Application Denial" entry in DSM-IV |
| 20:08.49 | drmessano | sapere: I will play your game. Stop using Asterisk |
| 20:08.52 | EI5GTB | guys, any way to have an asterisk behind a nat on a dynamic ip connected to by sip phones outside of the nat? |
| 20:09.00 | drmessano | sapere: It will solve your problem |
| 20:09.03 | sapere | hah, that's not exactly what i meant |
| 20:09.10 | EI5GTB | im reading a guide, and it tells me tp put the exernal ip in sip.conf, but i cant, cos it changes.. |
| 20:09.11 | drmessano | EI5GTB: People do it all the time |
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| 20:09.35 | sapere | i know there are some config changes required for networks that are P2P traffic heavy, and i was wondering if there was a similar change required for asterisk activity |
| 20:09.37 | drmessano | externhost= |
| 20:09.38 | EI5GTB | i have a domain name that always points to it, do i just put that in instead? |
| 20:09.39 | sapere | not trying to blame asterisk |
| 20:09.46 | drmessano | Get something like No-IP |
| 20:09.51 | EI5GTB | i have it |
| 20:09.52 | drmessano | use the hostname |
| 20:09.54 | EI5GTB | k |
| 20:09.56 | EI5GTB | thanks |
| 20:09.57 | drmessano | externhost=hostname |
| 20:10.25 | drmessano | sapere: yeah, there is one change |
| 20:10.39 | sapere | drmessano: what's that |
| 20:10.45 | mchou | lol |
| 20:10.50 | newmember | I have this setup Teleco-------Gateway-------Nortel |
| 20:11.00 | newmember | my * is connected to the Gateway |
| 20:11.08 | drmessano | wget http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_e?url=search-alias%3Delectronics&field-keywords=wrt54g&x=0&y=0 |
| 20:11.36 | drmessano | then |
| 20:11.39 | sapere | heh, yeah new router |
| 20:11.44 | drmessano | wget www.craigslist.com |
| 20:11.46 | drmessano | and sell that POS |
| 20:12.03 | newmember | how do a routing strategy that sends some DIDs to * and other DIDs to the Nortel PBX? |
| 20:12.08 | sapere | wrt54gl would be the best recommendation? |
| 20:12.30 | drmessano | No, I would recommend a Cisco 2801 router |
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| 20:12.36 | drmessano | But I don't think you want one |
| 20:12.48 | drmessano | So try the WRT54GL |
| 20:13.03 | newmember | maybe this is another way, how do I direct a DID extension to the Nortel Switch? |
| 20:13.20 | sapere | hah, how much are those? |
| 20:13.44 | mchou | probably around $40-50 |
| 20:13.51 | drmessano | ~$1700 or so |
| 20:15.42 | sapere | wow |
| 20:17.35 | sapere | what about the WRT54GS ... it has a faster proc, twice the ram, and twice the flash ram |
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| 20:17.49 | [TK]D-Fender | newmember: Where is * supposed to be in that picture, and what is this "gateway"? |
| 20:18.16 | [TK]D-Fender | drmessano: the "L" series is BS. Lower memory than the older models and less useful. |
| 20:18.49 | drmessano | So you can recommend one new in box that's better? |
| 20:18.59 | [TK]D-Fender | newmember: You have also not described the technologies that these various bits use between eatch other. a "DID" is not a technology-specific thing |
| 20:19.19 | [TK]D-Fender | drmessano: check out OpenWTR's site for the compatibility list. |
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| 20:20.03 | [TK]D-Fender | drmessano: You'll see which ones have better specs. On a largely physically unmoddable box you'll want to pay close attention to the specs. Ones with USB onboard would probably have a big edge if its usable |
| 20:20.26 | jaytee | [TK]D-Fender, could you check this? It's sections of sip.conf, extensions.conf and a failed call with sip debug set on for a problem I'm having with the SPA3102 outbound. http://pastebin.ca/1202772 |
| 20:21.00 | jaytee | I keep getting a Response 410 "Gone" and congestion/all circuits busy |
| 20:22.57 | [TK]D-Fender | jaytee: You aren't sending it a NUMBER to dial. |
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| 20:23.57 | mchou | [TK]D-Fender: Is this syntax legit? $[$["${AVAR}" = "yes"] | $[${BVAR} % 2] ] ; in other words can expressions be nested in extensions.conf? |
| 20:24.46 | [TK]D-Fender | mchou: Don't next expressions. Also I don't recall "%" as an operator. |
| 20:24.52 | [TK]D-Fender | nest* |
| 20:25.07 | [TK]D-Fender | mchou: there is no need in this case. Might be valid, but certainly not necessary |
| 20:25.21 | drmessano | The WRT54GL has no less memory than any of the other WRT54Gs |
| 20:26.43 | drmessano | Same CPU as the V4 which which was the best of the retail ones with Linux |
| 20:27.13 | jeev | bill maher is the ish |
| 20:27.19 | jaytee | [TK]D-Fender, it's hooked to my Valcom PA and just needs to go "off-hook". I just modified the dial statement to just dial a 1 but I still get a SIP 410 response. |
| 20:27.51 | [TK]D-Fender | jaytee: check your dilaplan on the SPA itself. Check out www.voxilla.com 's forums |
| 20:28.59 | [TK]D-Fender | drmessano: GS has double the ram |
| 20:29.16 | drmessano | Not the current one |
| 20:29.21 | drmessano | It has the same |
| 20:29.29 | [TK]D-Fender | drmessano: http://wiki.openwrt.org/Hardware/Linksys |
| 20:29.42 | [TK]D-Fender | drmessano: If there is a model that isn't there sure. |
| 20:29.52 | drmessano | [TK]D-Fender: http://wiki.openwrt.org/CompleteTableOfHardware |
| 20:30.03 | [TK]D-Fender | drmessano: this is just per the last time I checked and as per that list I jsut checked now. |
| 20:30.36 | [TK]D-Fender | drmessano: WRT54GS 4.0 Broadcom 5352 @ 200MHz 4MB 16MB |
| 20:30.57 | [TK]D-Fender | drmessano: V3 has 8/16 |
| 20:31.00 | riddlebox | does anyone use voicepulse? |
| 20:31.01 | [TK]D-Fender | (bad aim |
| 20:31.08 | jeev | wow fender |
| 20:31.11 | jeev | ~ pb |
| 20:31.12 | jbot | [~pb] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste |
| 20:31.22 | [TK]D-Fender | riddlebox: No, they're about to be bailed out by the Fed |
| 20:31.28 | mchou | riddlebox: you use it? |
| 20:31.51 | [TK]D-Fender | jeev: Sorry, did you have a poitn there? |
| 20:31.59 | jeev | yea, kick your ass seabass |
| 20:32.02 | drmessano | The WRT54GL is familiar, accessible, and it works |
| 20:32.03 | mchou | [TK]D-Fender: what?? What did they do? |
| 20:32.22 | sapere | riddlebox: i'm considering using them, but i haven't yet |
| 20:33.02 | riddlebox | mchou, nope, I want to switch to a ITSP and saw it in jobts list |
| 20:33.46 | riddlebox | sapere, yeah I am thinking about doing their local unlimited plan |
| 20:33.51 | drmessano | Don't use Aretta |
| 20:33.53 | drmessano | LOL |
| 20:33.59 | drmessano | They've been down hard for two days |
| 20:34.12 | sapere | riddlebox: you'll not be using asterisk, then? |
| 20:34.33 | riddlebox | sapere, yeah I will use it through asterisk |
| 20:34.59 | drmessano | duh |
| 20:35.03 | sapere | riddlebox: oh, i thought for some reason if you wanted to use voicepulse and asterisk you had to use the connect.voicepulse.com plans |
| 20:35.14 | sapere | and not the standard plans |
| 20:35.43 | riddlebox | sapere, I wouldnt see why you would need to |
| 20:35.46 | mchou | riddlebox: what's your call volume/month? |
| 20:35.58 | drmessano | $11 a month |
| 20:36.01 | riddlebox | mchou, not that much |
| 20:36.01 | drmessano | WTF |
| 20:36.13 | drmessano | $11 a month is nuts |
| 20:36.18 | mchou | riddlebox: $15 sounds expensive |
| 20:36.21 | riddlebox | it shows 200 minutes long, and local unlimited |
| 20:36.26 | sapere | riddlebox: well i don't know much about how this all works, but connect.voicepulse.com is their SIP/IAX origination and termination service |
| 20:36.35 | sapere | which seems like that is what you want for asterisk |
| 20:36.44 | mchou | riddlebox: there are WAY better deals out there |
| 20:37.17 | sapere | mchou: what do you recommend? |
| 20:37.42 | mchou | sapere: I use diamondcard.us. Some ppl also use les.net |
| 20:37.51 | riddlebox | mchou, like who? i have been looking through jbots list and with free incoming calls voicepulse seemed best |
| 20:38.10 | mchou | riddlebox: scroll up :) |
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| 20:38.25 | riddlebox | yeah hehe |
| 20:39.20 | sapere | so i guess i'm confused ... voicepulse seems to imply that if you want to run your own asterisk server, you need their connect.voicepulse.com services ... and that is not the case, what gives? |
| 20:39.23 | mchou | riddlebox: incoming calls are 1/3 of 1 cent/min at diamondcard. That's virtually free :) |
| 20:40.52 | riddlebox | sapere, I am not sure |
| 20:41.51 | sapere | can anyone else explain ? |
| 20:42.23 | mchou | bah. there is no need to explain. Nobody uses it cause it's too pricy |
| 20:42.25 | mchou | :) |
| 20:43.01 | sapere | mchou: perhaps, but it would help me to understand what exactly they offer (i thought i understood, but i guess not), so that i can figure out what i need and what i don't |
| 20:43.07 | mchou | I mean if you're paying $15/month you might as well go vonage |
| 20:44.56 | sapere | mchou: let me explain my situation -- i am helping a small home-based business get set up and i'd like to get a toll-free number, a cheap but decent ITSP service, and an asterisk server set up at home to manage it all. the last one i'm working on now, but who do you recommend for the first two |
| 20:45.00 | [TK]D-Fender | sapere: connect.voicepulse.com is a different peer rate than their typical Joe Blow residential services |
| 20:45.13 | sapere | [TK]D-Fender: better? |
| 20:45.42 | [TK]D-Fender | sapere: Like any idiot can go to a car dealership and buy the boring models. You want something CUSTOM outside the base package and you'll go somewhere else |
| 20:45.57 | [TK]D-Fender | sapere: not BETTER, its DIFFERENT. Just read the details. |
| 20:46.28 | sapere | [TK]D-Fender: alright definitely will |
| 20:46.46 | sapere | [TK]D-Fender: by the way, who would you recommend in my situation? |
| 20:47.25 | [TK]D-Fender | sapere: What "situation"? I don't see a clear definition of your needs |
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| 20:48.40 | drmessano | Why does every statement about "ZOMG, XXXXX is 3 times as much as what I pay" always invoke a complete teardown and explanation of what they intend to do with Asterisk?? Does that somehow make it not a shitty deal? |
| 20:48.52 | sapere | [TK]D-Fender: let me rephrase -- who would recommend as a reliable, cheap ITSP for a home-based small business? additionally, the business has no phone number currently, but would like to order a toll-free number with the service |
| 20:49.21 | riddlebox | mchou, I used broadvoice a couple of years ago, but I dont like their eula now |
| 20:49.41 | sapere | drmessano: it's all a little daunting to an outsider, like myself, who's trying to grasp all the new concepts and terminology. i'm trying to learn what i need and what i don't |
| 20:49.42 | mchou | sapere: what's wrong with my earlier diamondcard.us recommendation? |
| 20:50.07 | sapere | mchou: nothing, but they seem to be advertising DID service, is that what i want? |
| 20:50.19 | mchou | sapere: aside from their Mickey Mouse web site :) |
| 20:50.19 | sapere | mchou: or do i want SIP/IAX termination and origination? |
| 20:50.50 | mchou | sapere: everything is a la carte at diamondcard.us |
| 20:51.15 | mchou | sapere: you want incoming 800 #, get at 800 DID |
| 20:51.38 | sapere | mchou: so DID = connect a phone number to your server's IP? |
| 20:51.44 | mchou | you want IP calls to go to PSTN #, get termination |
| 20:51.49 | drmessano | People think ordering VoIP is hard.. people are going to be in for a big shock when cell phones and land lines change their pricing models |
| 20:51.53 | drmessano | Cell phones sooner than later |
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| 20:52.27 | mchou | sapere: think of DID as buying a personal phone # |
| 20:52.43 | [TK]D-Fender | sapere: That doesn't provide any numbers to estimate with |
| 20:53.02 | sapere | mchou: so if i want to receive calls from a number, i need DID service; if i want to make calls from a number, i need termination service? |
| 20:53.06 | [TK]D-Fender | sapere: Thats like saying "I want to make calls. And talk during them. About business. And like... stuff" |
| 20:53.15 | drmessano | You're not making calls from a number |
| 20:53.21 | mchou | sapere: you almost have that right |
| 20:53.21 | drmessano | You're making calls. |
| 20:53.28 | riddlebox | mchou, so you pay $24 a year for the year, then you pay per call right? |
| 20:53.51 | sapere | drmessano: yes, but it will appear to be from the number, correct? |
| 20:54.05 | [TK]D-Fender | sapere: "correct"?! |
| 20:54.08 | mchou | riddlebox: yup. 1.7c/min outbound US. 0.3c/inbound US, $24/yr for DID |
| 20:54.18 | jablko | how do i get my dial plan to pickup a ringing fxo channel only if another extension on the fxo like doesn't pick it up after 4 rings? |
| 20:54.22 | mchou | 0.3c/min* |
| 20:54.25 | sapere | [TK]D-Fender: i'm not sure what you're asking |
| 20:54.25 | jablko | like a typical answering machine |
| 20:54.30 | [TK]D-Fender | sapere: Everything depends on who's service and what you payed for |
| 20:54.53 | [TK]D-Fender | jablko: Do a long "Wait" before answering. |
| 20:55.23 | [TK]D-Fender | jablko: If the line is still rining by the end of your wait then you can proceed to answer it |
| 20:55.42 | [TK]D-Fender | ringing* |
| 20:55.46 | mchou | sapere: let's say the only thing you buy from DC is "termination." That allows you to make a phone call to any valid PSTN # from an IPPhone/ATA |
| 20:55.54 | jablko | [TK]D-Fender: and if someone else picked up the line, asterisk will not answer? |
| 20:56.30 | sapere | mchou: ok i think i understand, but you're saying i wouldn't be able to receive any calls without DID service |
| 20:56.30 | [TK]D-Fender | jablko: If the line has stopped ringing (time passed since last ring" then * will terminate the call |
| 20:56.40 | [TK]D-Fender | sapere: Correct |
| 20:56.48 | mchou | sapere: and it let's you recieve any incoming calls, but only if people dial you by IP |
| 20:56.56 | sapere | ah |
| 20:57.03 | sapere | perfect, thanks ... i believe i finally understand |
| 20:57.13 | mchou | sapere: the DID connects your IPPhone to a PSTN # |
| 20:57.17 | [TK]D-Fender | DID = just a phone number |
| 20:57.26 | [TK]D-Fender | mchou: EW.. |
| 20:57.28 | sapere | ah, gotcha |
| 20:57.35 | [TK]D-Fender | mchou: very poor wording |
| 20:57.58 | mchou | [TK]D-Fender: well, he got the point :) |
| 20:58.03 | [TK]D-Fender | A DID is a PHONE NUMBER that lands at a telco. what happens there is another matter entirely. |
| 20:58.29 | [TK]D-Fender | How is someone supposed to call you if you don't have a number? |
| 20:58.30 | mchou | s/connect/map |
| 20:58.41 | [TK]D-Fender | (from the regular PSTN anywa) |
| 20:58.43 | mchou | [TK]D-Fender: IP dialing :) |
| 20:58.47 | sapere | mchou: i can't find the "termination" services offered by diamondcard.us |
| 20:58.52 | drmessano | ENUM, bitches |
| 20:58.56 | mchou | lol |
| 20:58.59 | mchou | that too |
| 20:59.00 | UnixDawg | ok got app-flite on bsd |
| 20:59.13 | UnixDawg | and a few more things update |
| 20:59.15 | mchou | sapere: look at "rates" |
| 20:59.21 | sapere | alright |
| 21:00.22 | sapere | mchou: you have experience with this company and find them reliable? |
| 21:00.27 | mchou | sapere: there is no need to spend over $10/mon if your call volume is low |
| 21:00.41 | sapere | it would be low for me |
| 21:00.43 | mchou | I've been using them for 9 months |
| 21:00.57 | mchou | so far it's pretty good |
| 21:01.18 | mchou | In the beginning they messed up my outbound caller ID |
| 21:01.34 | mchou | but a email solved that on the same day |
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| 21:02.07 | sapere | mchou: i've found where i can add a DID number to my cart, is that price per year? is it a one-time-only charge? |
| 21:02.26 | mchou | also the dont do real CNAM on Inbound, like most ITSPs |
| 21:03.03 | drmessano | Is the $24 a year unlimited? |
| 21:03.13 | mchou | $24 is per year price. Price for DID is slightly higher/mo if you do less than 1 yr. |
| 21:03.46 | drmessano | So not metered |
| 21:03.46 | mchou | drmessano: what do you mean unlimited? Inbound is charged at 0.3c/min |
| 21:03.51 | drmessano | Ah |
| 21:03.54 | drmessano | See I cant find that |
| 21:04.05 | mchou | Int's under rates |
| 21:04.10 | mchou | it's* |
| 21:04.11 | sapere | mchou: they don't offer CNAM on inbound, so you cannot see who's calling you? |
| 21:04.21 | drmessano | OHHHH |
| 21:04.40 | mchou | there CNAM is the phone number, not "John Smith" |
| 21:04.57 | mchou | their* |
| 21:05.01 | sapere | oh ok, that's pretty minor |
| 21:06.23 | mchou | sapere: that CNAM pissed me off :) |
| 21:06.28 | [TK]D-Fender | "UNLIMITED" |
| 21:06.31 | [TK]D-Fender | snickers |
| 21:07.10 | drmessano | What? |
| 21:08.26 | [TK]D-Fender | unlimited how? In? out? Out to where? In from a "local" DID or was that 800? How many channels? who killed J.R>? Where are the missing WMDs? |
| 21:08.41 | [TK]D-Fender | WTF. just W-T-F |
| 21:08.52 | [TK]D-Fender | No, details couldn't POSSIBLY be important. |
| 21:08.58 | sapere | mchou: i can't find any information about how many channels you get per account, etc |
| 21:08.59 | drmessano | [17:03] <drmessano> Is the $24 a year unlimited? <-- Which refers to the $24 a year for the "Personal Number" |
| 21:09.08 | drmessano | He understood me.. I guess it's over your head |
| 21:09.17 | drmessano | Since you don't READ |
| 21:09.26 | mchou | sapere: channels/acct is only limited by your balance |
| 21:09.29 | [TK]D-Fender | drmessano: so you get to "keep" the DID #. So service on it isnt really relevent right? |
| 21:09.48 | mchou | sapere: it's detailed in their faq/wiki |
| 21:09.52 | [TK]D-Fender | drmessano: Comparing its value needs a lot more |
| 21:09.53 | sapere | mchou: oh ok, how much/mo is a single channel? i can't find that |
| 21:09.59 | sapere | oh ok, i'll dig in there |
| 21:10.13 | mchou | sapere: they dont charge like that |
| 21:10.19 | drmessano | [TK]D-Fender: All I fucking asked was if the $24 a year was "unlimited" which implies unmetered. |
| 21:10.28 | drmessano | Go take your high horse somewhere else |
| 21:10.38 | [TK]D-Fender | drmessano: It was for more than your statement. |
| 21:10.40 | mchou | sapere: charge for single channel is same as 1000 channels/mo :) |
| 21:10.54 | sapere | mchou: what page are you looking at, btw? |
| 21:11.16 | mchou | sapere: what?? I'm not looking at any page |
| 21:11.31 | sapere | oh ok i thought maybe you were looking in the wiki, too... nvm |
| 21:13.21 | mchou | sapere: http://wiki.diamondcard.us/podwiki?page=SimCalls |
| 21:13.34 | drmessano | I pay $4 a month for unmetered DID's from Les.net.. Diamondcard shows $3 a month for a "personal number", which discounts to $2 a month if you buy annual. There was no rate placement on the purchasing area for the "Personal Number" which one would expect, and again, mchou seemed to know what I was asking |
| 21:13.37 | drmessano | So.. whatever |
| 21:13.51 | drmessano | didn't seem unreasonable |
| 21:14.48 | sapere | mchou: other than the lack of name information in the CNAM data, is there anything that you've been unhappy about? particularly in the QOS regards? |
| 21:15.13 | mchou | nah. they're OK in all other respects so far |
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| 21:15.33 | sapere | mchou: if you don't mind me asking, what services do you have? what is your monthly bill? |
| 21:16.18 | mchou | I have 1 DID with termination. average monthly bill for me is $5 or less |
| 21:16.52 | sapere | awesome, thanks |
| 21:16.55 | mchou | one month 1 used up less than 10 cents (not including DID) :) |
| 21:17.08 | drmessano | I need to find someone with inexpensive termination, maybe a midrange rating on quality |
| 21:17.19 | sapere | so your bill breaks down by: cost of DID + usage |
| 21:17.19 | drmessano | Not high, but not fly-by-night |
| 21:17.32 | mchou | sapere: yeah, more or less |
| 21:18.19 | mchou | sapere: diamondcard is one of the few PayGO ITSPS that has DIDs for all of US |
| 21:18.39 | sapere | have you used other ITSP providers? |
| 21:18.46 | mchou | yeah. |
| 21:18.51 | sapere | which ones? |
| 21:18.59 | mchou | they all sucked |
| 21:19.10 | jaytee | [TK]D-Fender, well I finally got the SPA3102 configured so I can dial out on an analog line but if I hook it up to the PA system it gives me 503 service unavailable and circuit busy. I also get a pop from the PA speaker like the FXO port has already gone off hook. The PA works just fine with a TDM04B FXO port in my test server though. |
| 21:19.24 | mchou | tried them out for 1 month and said that's it |
| 21:19.39 | drmessano | Oh hang on |
| 21:19.42 | [TK]D-Fender | jaytee: Perhaps the SPA is waiting for tone. |
| 21:19.43 | drmessano | Sooo |
| 21:19.54 | [TK]D-Fender | jaytee: that'd curtail your "hot bridge" |
| 21:20.07 | mchou | sapere: I tried les.net b4 |
| 21:20.08 | drmessano | The rates are for forwarding the DID to XXXX.. |
| 21:20.22 | drmessano | So I need to be looking at SIP or IAX |
| 21:20.25 | drmessano | Which is .003 |
| 21:20.55 | Assid | err.. i seem to have an issue using postgresql realtime over odbc |
| 21:21.04 | Assid | how do i check debug? |
| 21:21.07 | drmessano | (as they phrase it) |
| 21:21.11 | jaytee | yeah, I'm think this SPA just won't work right with it. I don't know enough about the design difference between Digium's fxo ports and Linksys's to figure out if there's something I can in the FXO config settings. |
| 21:21.21 | Assid | err nvm |
| 21:21.44 | drmessano | Well damn |
| 21:21.45 | [TK]D-Fender | jaytee: So it works with a "real" line? |
| 21:21.52 | drmessano | That's .3 cents per minute |
| 21:21.55 | drmessano | Not 3 cents |
| 21:21.58 | jaytee | yes, it works fine with a real line |
| 21:22.13 | mchou | drmessano: that's what I said earlier |
| 21:22.22 | jaytee | I setup the Dial statement to send a 9 to my pbx and I get dialtone and can dial out. |
| 21:22.30 | mchou | drmessano: 1/3 of 1 c |
| 21:22.48 | drmessano | Yes |
| 21:23.03 | drmessano | and 1.7 cents per minute termination |
| 21:23.13 | sapere | drmessano: where is that information? |
| 21:23.36 | drmessano | It took me a few minutes to figure out how the hell they break this out |
| 21:23.39 | drmessano | It's kinda cryptic |
| 21:23.43 | mchou | lol |
| 21:24.06 | drmessano | The rate list is for DID ------> another DID/SIP/IAX and all broken down |
| 21:24.19 | mchou | once you figure it out you do say "holy shit!" |
| 21:24.19 | sapere | drmessano: what is the url for termination prices? |
| 21:24.25 | [TK]D-Fender | jaytee: Get google-ing to see if you can bypass this somehow. |
| 21:24.31 | drmessano | It's on that site, sapere |
| 21:24.33 | drmessano | Go look |
| 21:24.38 | mchou | and say "that's cheap!" |
| 21:25.12 | drmessano | It's twice as much as les.net for unmetered.. but.. It's 1/3 the price for the minutes |
| 21:25.16 | mchou | 1.7c/min term. can be more competitive, but it's not too bad |
| 21:25.26 | drmessano | They are 1.15 cents I think |
| 21:25.26 | sapere | hah, i'm sure it is but i've not found it yet |
| 21:25.26 | jaytee | [TK]D-Fender, I'm all over google and voxilla at the moment. Think it has something to do with the line voltage level or hook signalling. The Linksys Info tab shows the port on hook though. |
| 21:25.44 | nr4q | system() doesnt seem to be working for me |
| 21:25.50 | drmessano | So actually, 1/4 the minute rate |
| 21:26.45 | mchou | drmessano: what's the les.net termination rate? |
| 21:26.56 | drmessano | 1.5 c |
| 21:27.03 | mchou | ok |
| 21:27.31 | nr4q | exten => 120,1,System('/usr/local/bin/textytexty.sh ${CALLERID(all)}') |
| 21:27.36 | nr4q | is there anything wrong with that? |
| 21:28.21 | [TK]D-Fender | nr4q: no quotes |
| 21:28.46 | [TK]D-Fender | nr4q: then make sure *'s user has rihts to it, that the file is executable, and like.. PRESENT ;) |
| 21:29.00 | nr4q | fender: i tried without quotes first and it didn't seem to work that way either. in the console i see it say that it executed it but ... doesn't seem to |
| 21:29.25 | nr4q | oh it's present... i didn't think about rights. that's the problem >.< thanks |
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| 21:31.38 | ManxPower | don't use any quotes |
| 21:32.14 | drmessano | What scares me is that the damn website looks so low rent, the year is wrong, there's no good "About us" link, and their attempt at a blog was last updated in March 2008 |
| 21:32.21 | drmessano | I could be all wrong |
| 21:32.30 | drmessano | Just scary lol |
| 21:33.01 | drmessano | All VoIP sites are somewhat shitty |
| 21:33.03 | sapere | i got the same impression |
| 21:33.16 | drmessano | There's no doubt about that |
| 21:33.17 | sapere | at least you can pay with paypal |
| 21:33.36 | Assid | bah.. i keep getting a damn segmentation fauly |
| 21:33.42 | sapere | so if they are a scam or become one (worst-case scenario), your payment info is hidden from them |
| 21:33.54 | drmessano | I'm not worried about that |
| 21:33.55 | nr4q | well this is in the stack: [Sep 14 17:33:15] -- Executing [120@from-internal:1] System("SIP/120-0953b888", "/usr/local/bin/textytexty.sh "device" <120>") in new stack |
| 21:34.02 | drmessano | I'm worried about them going under |
| 21:34.08 | drmessano | and me losing another DID |
| 21:34.15 | drmessano | Not them in particular |
| 21:34.20 | drmessano | yes/no |
| 21:34.21 | nr4q | oh i think i see |
| 21:34.23 | sapere | you don't lose your number if that happens, correct? |
| 21:34.24 | drmessano | But in general |
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| 21:34.44 | drmessano | sapere, go up 5 lines |
| 21:35.05 | drmessano | I say I am worried about losing another DID and you ask me that? |
| 21:35.13 | drmessano | hands sapere a map |
| 21:35.14 | sapere | ... |
| 21:35.18 | sapere | <= compete newb |
| 21:35.35 | sapere | DID is a pointer from a number to an IP, right? |
| 21:35.43 | sapere | i'm assuming the DID and the number are two separate things |
| 21:35.59 | mchou | sapere: what??? |
| 21:36.00 | nr4q | Fender: i had an issue with the actual line I was sending to the system but the permissions was the big issue. you da man! |
| 21:36.06 | drmessano | mchou: I blame you |
| 21:36.09 | sapere | i'm assuming the number is yours, not the provider's, so if you lose the provider, you get to keep the humber |
| 21:36.11 | sapere | *number |
| 21:36.33 | mchou | sapere: diamondcard ports your existing # for $10 |
| 21:36.37 | drmessano | If you buy the number from the provider |
| 21:36.39 | drmessano | and they go under |
| 21:36.47 | drmessano | Who are you gonna get your number back from? |
| 21:36.50 | drmessano | The VoIPfairy? |
| 21:36.54 | sapere | yes! |
| 21:37.05 | mchou | and if they go under under fed laws you get your # back |
| 21:37.07 | sapere | no seriously, i have no idea, some central registry or something |
| 21:37.14 | Maan | does anyone have a sample PAP2T XML provisioning file? (more than just 3-4 parameters...) |
| 21:37.24 | mchou | as long as you can prove you had that number |
| 21:37.28 | sapere | yeah, what mchou is referring to ... i assume under that you'd get your number |
| 21:37.50 | sapere | although it might be a real hassle |
| 21:37.55 | drmessano | Legally that's great |
| 21:38.00 | drmessano | Practically.. .... |
| 21:38.28 | mchou | and that would be easy since an old printout of you old acct info has all that info |
| 21:39.02 | mchou | I dont think DC is about to go under anytime soon |
| 21:39.26 | drmessano | Well, I lost a number last year |
| 21:39.40 | drmessano | When that big wholesaler when under |
| 21:39.43 | drmessano | went* |
| 21:39.47 | mchou | they have big presense in Europe and US (West coast) |
| 21:39.49 | sapere | which one is that, drmessano ? |
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| 21:40.00 | mchou | lol |
| 21:40.12 | drmessano | Dunno.. whoever a bunch of the other guys were buying numbers from |
| 21:40.17 | mchou | what was it called Rocket?? |
| 21:40.21 | drmessano | No |
| 21:40.35 | mchou | I forget the name. Bunch of crooks |
| 21:40.56 | mchou | but it had the "rocket" in the name. |
| 21:41.05 | drmessano | Not SunROcket |
| 21:41.14 | mchou | yeah, that was it |
| 21:41.16 | drmessano | I am talking about a WHOLESALER |
| 21:41.24 | drmessano | Not some shitty consumer outfit |
| 21:41.28 | mchou | drmessano: yeah yeah |
| 21:41.40 | sapere | mchou: out of curiosity, how long did it take for your account to be up and ready to use once you signed up online? |
| 21:41.53 | mchou | a day or 2 |
| 21:41.54 | drmessano | A good number of providers had blocks through them they were never able to recover |
| 21:42.12 | mchou | I think I signed up on a weekend thoughj |
| 21:42.17 | drmessano | I tried to get my DID back from several outfits and no one could get it |
| 21:42.33 | Assid | okay if i keep getting a segmentation fault when i start asterisk.. where should i be looking? the only error i can find in /var/log/asterisk/messages is [Sep 14 17:41:10] WARNING[16621] res_smdi.c: No SMDI interfaces are available to listen on, not starting SMDI listener. |
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| 21:42.59 | mchou | drmessano: this DID you lost, where it come from originally? |
| 21:43.19 | mchou | I mean wast the original # form ATT or ? |
| 21:43.23 | mchou | from* |
| 21:43.37 | drmessano | I don't know who the wholesaler was |
| 21:44.23 | mchou | drmessano: so you got the '#' from the ITSP originally is what you're saying |
| 21:44.51 | mchou | you didnt port it over from PSTN/Wireless |
| 21:44.55 | drmessano | No |
| 21:45.00 | drmessano | i did not port it over from anywhere |
| 21:45.04 | drmessano | I got it from the ITSP |
| 21:45.07 | mchou | ok |
| 21:45.24 | mchou | yeah, in those cases you're generally SCREWED |
| 21:45.31 | drmessano | Yes, indeed |
| 21:45.49 | drmessano | Thats why it would be nice to see who is buying numbers from who |
| 21:45.58 | mchou | reprint all your business cards :) |
| 21:46.09 | mchou | drmessano: that info is easy to get |
| 21:46.19 | mchou | call them upo and ASK them |
| 21:46.34 | mchou | all ITSPs have told me this info |
| 21:46.37 | drmessano | Business cards, 3500 product pamplets, refiling paperwork with state and govt offices |
| 21:46.39 | drmessano | Always fun |
| 21:47.49 | mchou | drmessano: if it's business critical go with callcentric (Level 3 backend) :) |
| 21:48.05 | *** join/#asterisk CunningPike (n=arodgers@S010600095b33697f.vc.shawcable.net) |
| 21:48.16 | mchou | doubt if level 3 is going under anytime soon |
| 21:48.44 | mchou | drmessano: you know who les.net uses as their back end? |
| 21:48.47 | Assid | can anyone help me with this please |
| 21:48.56 | drmessano | $9 a month for office unlimited |
| 21:48.59 | drmessano | and they have my rate center |
| 21:49.08 | drmessano | Actually, no I do not |
| 21:49.21 | mchou | drmessano: call them up |
| 21:49.27 | mchou | ask |
| 21:49.37 | drmessano | I may not be staying with them :) |
| 21:49.48 | mchou | haha |
| 21:49.51 | Assid | drmessano: you dont like les.net? |
| 21:51.10 | drmessano | I do.. Just shopping for better rates and ideas |
| 21:51.22 | Assid | if you find a better termination.. let me know |
| 21:51.22 | drmessano | and rate centers |
| 21:51.40 | Assid | okay now.. i cant start asterisk.. it just segfaults |
| 21:51.42 | drmessano | les.net has great termination prices.. I give them that |
| 21:52.29 | sapere | whoa, there are even free DID providers? |
| 21:52.46 | mchou | sapere: yup |
| 21:52.50 | mchou | sapere: ipkall |
| 21:53.06 | sapere | how does that work? you call their main number and enter an extension, which is then forwarded to your box? |
| 21:53.06 | mchou | #s in seatac |
| 21:53.34 | mchou | sapere: you get a real seattle area phone # |
| 21:53.55 | sapere | free? how do they make money? |
| 21:53.58 | Assid | http://assid.pastebin.com/d1f5ec954 |
| 21:54.08 | Assid | can someone please help |
| 21:54.09 | mchou | sapere: ppl call your seattle #, and it gets forwarded to SIP/IAX |
| 21:54.16 | drmessano | IPKALL works well too |
| 21:54.19 | Assid | ipkall is in washington i think |
| 21:54.26 | mchou | sapere: no need for extensions |
| 21:54.37 | sapere | seems too good to be true |
| 21:54.50 | Assid | sapere: been using it for a while.. pretty good |
| 21:55.01 | mchou | sapere: they might be getting the squeeze soon |
| 21:55.02 | Assid | now.. can someone please help? im getting a segfault |
| 21:55.10 | drmessano | Oh really? |
| 21:55.26 | mchou | the big telcos are ganging up on operations like ipkall |
| 21:55.49 | *** join/#asterisk StooJ (n=stooj@stooj.plus.com) |
| 21:55.50 | Assid | mchou: fwd already changed some stuff |
| 21:56.01 | Assid | is getting nervous |
| 21:56.18 | drmessano | They have? |
| 21:56.20 | mchou | passed some laws regarding what's that term, fees applied for connecting |
| 21:56.22 | drmessano | Oh |
| 21:56.27 | drmessano | fwd |
| 21:56.29 | drmessano | Fuck FWD |
| 21:56.56 | drmessano | That has nothing to do with IPKALL |
| 21:57.10 | *** join/#asterisk lvl- (n=lvl@101.248.dhcp.lht.hhs.nl) |
| 21:57.16 | mchou | there was an operation like IPKall in indiana, iirc, the got the squeeze |
| 21:57.20 | drmessano | That has to do with them trying to make money off running a SIP proxy to nowhere |
| 21:57.31 | mchou | out of biz |
| 21:58.17 | sapere | drmessano: and yet ipkall is also not making money |
| 21:58.19 | mchou | of course gtalk also gives you a free DID :) |
| 21:58.29 | drmessano | FWD was supposed to be this free happy love commune of SIP users sticking it to the man, and then they decided they want to charge for a service that is basically a giant island in the telco world |
| 21:58.42 | drmessano | IPKALL _IS_ making money |
| 21:58.43 | mchou | umm, I meant grandCentral |
| 21:58.57 | sapere | mchou: yeah, good luck getting into that, though |
| 21:59.03 | sapere | drmessano: what's their business model/ |
| 21:59.26 | mchou | sapere: what?? There is no need to "get into" GC |
| 21:59.32 | mchou | sapere: I use it |
| 21:59.36 | sapere | mchou: it's closed beta |
| 21:59.40 | drmessano | Something about fees for terminating calls |
| 21:59.46 | drmessano | I forget how it works |
| 22:00.00 | sapere | drmessano: ah, i see ... inbound is free ... outbound is not |
| 22:00.04 | drmessano | No |
| 22:00.07 | mchou | sapere: just sign up. you get in next day |
| 22:00.08 | drmessano | They dont do outbound |
| 22:00.13 | sapere | mchou: i have already |
| 22:00.18 | drmessano | mchou: GC is closed right now |
| 22:00.20 | sapere | mchou: do you have any spare invitations? |
| 22:00.26 | sapere | i'd love to have one =) |
| 22:00.31 | mchou | it's gonna cost ya :) |
| 22:00.36 | sapere | how much |
| 22:00.41 | drmessano | You have invites? |
| 22:00.42 | mchou | bidding is open :) |
| 22:00.49 | mchou | lol |
| 22:00.51 | sapere | haha, nvm ... i'll just get a free one |
| 22:00.56 | drmessano | When did you last check? |
| 22:00.58 | sapere | via ipkall |
| 22:01.10 | sapere | < one week ago |
| 22:01.13 | mchou | drmessano: what are you talking about? |
| 22:01.48 | drmessano | I asked you when you last checked to see if you had invites for GC |
| 22:01.56 | mchou | sapere: just be patient with GC. They'll come thru |
| 22:01.57 | drmessano | They closed the floodgates again |
| 22:02.24 | mchou | I just checked like two days ago |
| 22:02.45 | sapere | ipkall says i need to "Register your SIP IP phone with a VoIP service like www.FreeWorldDialup.com or www.MutualPhone.com." |
| 22:02.53 | sapere | neither appear to have a free service |
| 22:02.59 | mchou | sapere: no, those are suggestions |
| 22:03.12 | sapere | what are some other (free) suggestions? |
| 22:03.13 | mchou | you can register with you home * |
| 22:03.20 | sapere | ah, really? |
| 22:03.24 | mchou | yup |
| 22:03.25 | drmessano | Use asterisk, thats a good one |
| 22:03.35 | mchou | or even your home ATA |
| 22:03.37 | sapere | haha, i'm a total newb ... so yeah |
| 22:03.48 | drmessano | mchou: All 5 of my accounts are invite-free since the last account freeze |
| 22:03.58 | sapere | i have an asterisk server ... so i just give ipkall that ip? |
| 22:03.58 | mchou | drmessano: what?? |
| 22:04.09 | mchou | sapere: yup, pretty much |
| 22:04.15 | sapere | wow |
| 22:04.55 | sapere | what is the SIP phone number that i provide IPKall with? |
| 22:05.03 | mchou | what?? |
| 22:05.08 | sapere | http://phone.ipkall.com/ipphone/ |
| 22:05.15 | drmessano | Everywhere I read stated they had put a freeze on invites and new signups |
| 22:05.17 | mchou | sip phone number?? |
| 22:05.26 | sapere | yes -- what is that? |
| 22:05.28 | *** join/#asterisk Laureano (n=Laureano@190.245.108.2) |
| 22:05.34 | mchou | lol |
| 22:05.49 | mchou | sip:username@address :) |
| 22:05.59 | drmessano | You actually have "invites" or the "Tell a friend" box? |
| 22:06.13 | mchou | lemme check again |
| 22:06.14 | sapere | mchou: ah ... and the SIP proxy? is that also my server's address? |
| 22:07.08 | drmessano | I found a post on 8/13 stating they werent taking invites |
| 22:07.25 | drmessano | Nor have I had any for some time |
| 22:08.12 | mchou | hmm, looks like they closed the floodgates |
| 22:08.21 | drmessano | yep |
| 22:08.27 | mchou | maybe they are going production soon |
| 22:08.51 | *** join/#asterisk SpaceBass (n=SP@pool-96-248-13-155.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net) |
| 22:09.01 | SpaceBass | hey folks - anyone know of a DID provider in Bermuda? |
| 22:09.35 | mchou | SpaceBass: only if you provide a trip there :) |
| 22:09.52 | *** join/#asterisk EI5GTB-macbook (n=EI5GTB@res-adsl136-A.bas501.cwt.esat.net) |
| 22:09.58 | SpaceBass | mchou, how about a virtual trip :) ... pictures after next week : |
| 22:10.07 | mchou | no can do |
| 22:10.43 | mchou | SpaceBass: why you need DID in Bermuda? |
| 22:10.55 | SpaceBass | mchou, going for a week ... |
| 22:11.06 | SpaceBass | mchou, guess I should find a sip broker gateway first |
| 22:11.13 | mchou | SpaceBass: you can have a DID anywhere and still get calls in Bermuda, you know |
| 22:11.20 | SpaceBass | mchou, I know |
| 22:11.31 | SpaceBass | want to be able to call a local number there and use DSIA |
| 22:11.39 | mchou | ok |
| 22:12.10 | mchou | SpaceBass: dial by IP doesnt work for ya? |
| 22:12.54 | SpaceBass | mchou, not from a cell phone |
| 22:12.56 | drmessano | From a POTS phone? |
| 22:13.13 | mchou | no, on his lappy or celly |
| 22:13.20 | mchou | iphone :) |
| 22:13.34 | SpaceBass | this is my usual plan when I leave the country - find a way to make a local call for DISA |
| 22:13.34 | drmessano | hates the imitationPhone |
| 22:13.44 | SpaceBass | the iPhone rocks! |
| 22:13.57 | SpaceBass | but that's not the cell I travel with - taking my nokia e61i |
| 22:14.00 | drmessano | Digg is that way ----> |
| 22:14.20 | SpaceBass | yeah? you got it bookmarked? |
| 22:14.27 | mchou | lol |
| 22:14.43 | drmessano | No, it's not engraved on the back of your fanboyphone? |
| 22:15.04 | drmessano | Along with Ron Paul's image |
| 22:15.37 | SpaceBass | well played! |
| 22:15.50 | SpaceBass | joking aside - I like the device...but don't have one, although my wife does |
| 22:16.09 | mchou | Kidnap the wife :) |
| 22:16.12 | SpaceBass | would be nice if there was a legal way to get a voip client on it and use any carrier |
| 22:16.31 | SpaceBass | regardless...the iphone is pretty unrelated to my trip |
| 22:16.58 | mchou | iCall isnt legit? |
| 22:17.05 | nr4q | spacebass: bootsy collins fan ? |
| 22:17.31 | SpaceBass | nr4q, your one of the first people to ever get that and not assume that I'm a fisherman of some kind...thanks |
| 22:17.39 | SpaceBass | mchou, don't know much about it |
| 22:17.50 | nr4q | haha, are you a fisherman too? |
| 22:17.55 | mchou | SpaceBass: Jobs approved :) |
| 22:18.05 | SpaceBass | mchou, isn't it just a call back service? |
| 22:18.27 | mchou | SpaceBass: iCall is sip client, iirc |
| 22:18.42 | SpaceBass | 0_o ? really? |
| 22:18.58 | SpaceBass | I'll have to check...don't tell drmessano but I'm buying an iPhone tomorrow :) |
| 22:19.05 | SpaceBass | but still...not the one I'm taking to Bermuda |
| 22:19.10 | mchou | http://icall.com/iphone/ |
| 22:19.26 | SpaceBass | and apparently I've lost my login info for sipbroker |
| 22:19.42 | mchou | SpaceBass: what more do you want? |
| 22:20.16 | seanbright | i have an iphone. my 3rd. |
| 22:20.19 | seanbright | suck it. |
| 22:20.26 | mchou | lol |
| 22:20.28 | SpaceBass | mchou, still need a local number there since I suspect I'll be using cell service more than wifi |
| 22:20.56 | *** join/#asterisk CrashSys (i=Kumba@azrael.crashsys.com) |
| 22:21.25 | mchou | nokia also has a sip client |
| 22:21.43 | mchou | but at DID is understood |
| 22:21.49 | mchou | s/at/a |
| 22:21.53 | CrashSys | How do I find out what asterisk is using as a timer? I have wanrouter loaded on a Sangoma A200 without any FXS/FXO modules and I want to make sure Asterisk is getting a good timing signal... |
| 22:21.55 | CrashSys | zttest? |
| 22:22.02 | SpaceBass | oh yeah, the nokia e61i is a voip dream - GSM + SIP |
| 22:22.24 | SpaceBass | currently its our wifi phone here at home ... my hitachiIP 5000 died |
| 22:22.27 | mchou | SpaceBass: SIP is buggy on that though |
| 22:22.49 | SpaceBass | mchou, worked well for us...but has issues with calls longer than about 20 mins :) |
| 22:22.57 | mchou | yeah |
| 22:23.16 | SpaceBass | I'm thinking that a PSTN-SIP gateway is going to be a tall order for Bermuda |
| 22:23.59 | mchou | most likely |
| 22:24.32 | mchou | unless you can find someone local who has asterisk :) |
| 22:25.45 | mchou | SpaceBass: so you work as a accountant for mafiosi? :) |
| 22:26.34 | mchou | or are you one of those guys who programs gambling on line? |
| 22:26.54 | SpaceBass | none of the above :) |
| 22:27.00 | SpaceBass | just a dude going to a wedding |
| 22:27.18 | mchou | haha, nice |
| 22:28.02 | EI5GTB-macbook | hi guys, trying to run the asterisk cli from putty, but i keep |
| 22:28.07 | EI5GTB-macbook | getting command not found |
| 22:28.22 | EI5GTB-macbook | i tried /usr/sbin |
| 22:28.29 | EI5GTB-macbook | is that the correct path? |
| 22:28.48 | CrashSys | do an updatedb && locate asterisk |
| 22:28.59 | CrashSys | see if it's installed somewhere |
| 22:29.31 | EI5GTB-macbook | ffs, i had "cd /usr/sbin" and then "asterisk -c" only works with both in the one command :P |
| 22:29.31 | drmessano | Good night! Callcentric is almost 2c a minute for term |
| 22:29.39 | SpaceBass | too bad icall is in closed beta |
| 22:29.45 | CrashSys | Callcentric ? |
| 22:30.28 | mchou | drmessano: dude, business critical I said |
| 22:30.41 | *** join/#asterisk imcdona (i=imcdona@imcdona.broker.freenet6.net) |
| 22:30.47 | drmessano | I know |
| 22:30.54 | mchou | drmessano: means high price |
| 22:30.59 | drmessano | I didn't expect them to be THAT high for term |
| 22:31.06 | drmessano | Thats not even competitive |
| 22:31.21 | mchou | I though DID was all you really concerned about? |
| 22:31.29 | mchou | thought* |
| 22:31.32 | drmessano | Its is, just researching their rates |
| 22:31.48 | mchou | no need to use their term. |
| 22:31.56 | mchou | you have asterisk :) |
| 22:32.00 | drmessano | lol |
| 22:32.09 | CrashSys | For the love of god can digium use something other then NEWT for zttool? |
| 22:33.58 | *** join/#asterisk DagMoller (n=aguirre@unaffiliated/dagmoller) |
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| 22:34.30 | sapere | mchou: are you saying if you have an asterisk server you don't need termination services? |
| 22:34.54 | mchou | sapere: no, I said nothing of the sort |
| 22:34.54 | *** join/#asterisk alibb (n=ali@41.224.158.64) |
| 22:35.29 | drmessano | mchou: So I don't have to pay for phone rates if I have a voip server? |
| 22:35.30 | *** join/#asterisk harryjr (n=harryjr@67-207-147-205.slicehost.net) |
| 22:35.45 | mchou | drmessano: least cost routing |
| 22:35.58 | drmessano | mchou: Can I use a PAP2 for voip server |
| 22:36.11 | mchou | use cheaper termination outbound |
| 22:36.13 | CrashSys | Sangoma or Digium needs to release a hardware-only timer for USB... that'd be awesome... |
| 22:36.20 | mchou | drmessano: lol |
| 22:36.40 | *** part/#asterisk UnixDawg (n=UnixDawg@181.128.204.68.cfl.res.rr.com) |
| 22:36.52 | *** join/#asterisk ttf (n=tom@unaffiliated/ttf) |
| 22:37.27 | drmessano | mchou: I dided what you say and called fontage and told them i have asterisk and not cant free calls and they not cant know what you tolded me :( |
| 22:37.55 | mchou | haha |
| 22:39.13 | drmessano | mchou: i no laugh, my acount say i pay for 507,0 dollars for calls i make with asterix |
| 22:39.23 | [TK]D-Fender | CrashSys: Funny.. we used to USE USB for timing... |
| 22:39.25 | drmessano | mchou: no free? |
| 22:39.59 | CrashSys | Fender: Yeah, but an actualy hardware timer that interfaces via USB that runs independent of the actual USB bus |
| 22:40.03 | [TK]D-Fender | sapere: Who says you need a phone at all? |
| 22:40.25 | CrashSys | That'd be awesome for putting asterisk on blades and small 1U's |
| 22:40.26 | [TK]D-Fender | CrashSys: Isn't a USB device DEPENDANT on a USB bus? :p |
| 22:41.01 | *** part/#asterisk DagMoller (n=aguirre@unaffiliated/dagmoller) |
| 22:41.11 | CrashSys | For I/O, but the timer wouldn't be dependant upon the bus to keep ticking away |
| 22:41.17 | implicit | no worries |
| 22:42.36 | drmessano | Why do you want USB timing? |
| 22:42.42 | SpaceBass | you'd think that there would be at least one company that provides DIDs for bermuda |
| 22:42.52 | CrashSys | I want a hardware timer source for blade centers |
| 22:43.13 | CrashSys | HPET is good but too sensitive to CPU load/spikes |
| 22:43.41 | CrashSys | Problem is blades dont have a PCI slot for me to slap a PSTN card in |
| 22:43.50 | *** join/#asterisk synchris (n=synchris@athedsl-4386346.home.otenet.gr) |
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| 22:45.14 | CrashSys | I have Meetme and IAX trunking requirements which is the problem... |
| 22:45.41 | CrashSys | my worry is that I have a load-spike that hits around 100% CPU use and ztdummy goes flaky |
| 22:46.58 | ttf | I want to get into to voip world and was looking at http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Siemens+Gigaset+C450IP as a starting point for a phone. AFAICS it holds my requirements (cordless, connect to ethernet and pstn and it seems to run linux). |
| 22:47.43 | ttf | can anybody tell me if that phone lacks some features which are important today? |
| 22:47.52 | ttf | it is already a bit old |
| 22:48.42 | mchou | bah. dont get that |
| 22:48.49 | mchou | ttf: ^^^ |
| 22:49.04 | mchou | get an ATA |
| 22:49.05 | ttf | mchou: in which sense? |
| 22:49.18 | mchou | use any old phone with ATA |
| 22:49.19 | ttf | mchou: why? |
| 22:49.41 | mchou | cause phone tech changes fast and are cheap |
| 22:49.55 | drmessano | Yep |
| 22:50.27 | drmessano | Your $35 ATA can back a $70 DECT 9000 WANGOSPORE phone in two years the all you've done is change the phone out |
| 22:50.29 | ttf | I can get the C450IP for $US 45 / EUR 30 |
| 22:50.51 | ttf | hmmm.. |
| 22:50.59 | drmessano | ATA's are generally a lot more mass market |
| 22:51.00 | SpaceBass | is the C450IP the seamens? |
| 22:51.01 | mchou | the price aint bad.... |
| 22:51.14 | SpaceBass | can you get them in the US yet? |
| 22:51.15 | ttf | SpaceBass: yup |
| 22:51.24 | SpaceBass | I've been looking - where |
| 22:51.36 | ttf | SpaceBass: ebay.de :) |
| 22:51.41 | SpaceBass | ha |
| 22:51.42 | mchou | lols |
| 22:52.09 | drmessano | Of course you can get them in the US |
| 22:52.13 | *** join/#asterisk [hC] (n=hardcore@S01060016b6b53c0c.vc.shawcable.net) |
| 22:52.23 | drmessano | I can get australian beaver cheese here too |
| 22:52.30 | mchou | eww |
| 22:52.49 | mchou | drmessano: TMI :) |
| 22:53.04 | SpaceBass | drmessano, you got a link to a US-based retailer for them? (the phone, not the cheese)? |
| 22:54.32 | drmessano | ebay.de ? |
| 22:54.39 | SpaceBass | so, no |
| 22:54.51 | drmessano | Ok, let me explain |
| 22:55.05 | SpaceBass | save it...not worth it |
| 22:55.05 | ttf | hmm - would I be able to call a softphone runnin on my laptop connected to the asterisk server from an analog phone connected an ata? |
| 22:55.12 | [TK]D-Fender | ttf: If you already have analog phones, just get an ATA |
| 22:55.13 | ttf | is really new to voip :) |
| 22:55.27 | [TK]D-Fender | ttf: Yes |
| 22:56.54 | drmessano | You see... ttf eluded to them being available here. Then placed an ebay.de link in channel. I made a sarcastic comment about "Of course you can get them here. I can get <name of some product I can get "here" too", which eluded to using the same methods that ttf eluded to, which was being able to import it, while technically accurate, was not exactly what was asked |
| 22:56.59 | drmessano | Feel better now? |
| 22:57.35 | Assid | has anyone ever tried to get in touch withvoipjet? |
| 22:57.45 | Assid | ive sent them an email, but they just dont respond |
| 22:58.23 | stencil | Just out of curiosity guys, what is a good ATA at the moment? |
| 22:59.58 | mchou | linksys pap2T |
| 23:00.48 | CrashSys | Anyone seen the X100p cards causing NMI errors in dmesg lately? |
| 23:01.14 | stencil | thanks mchou |
| 23:03.33 | jablko | how do i get asterisk to answer an fxo channel after 4 rings |
| 23:03.41 | jablko | like a standard answering machine? |
| 23:03.46 | *** join/#asterisk tristanbob (n=tristanb@ubuntu/member/tristanbob) |
| 23:04.03 | tristanbob | anyone use the AA50 with 1.2 software? |
| 23:04.24 | CrashSys | jablko: use waitforring |
| 23:06.03 | [TK]D-Fender | jablko : do a Wait(15), then Answer |
| 23:06.32 | CrashSys | wait wont detect if it's still ringing tho |
| 23:06.34 | [TK]D-Fender | tristanbob: Last I ehard AA50 is a 1.4 device |
| 23:06.47 | [TK]D-Fender | CrashSys: no need |
| 23:07.09 | [TK]D-Fender | CrashSys: If it stops ringing while in "Wait" it will HANGUP anyways |
| 23:07.14 | tristanbob | [TK]D-Fender, you are right, asterisk 1.4, but the firmware is called 1.2 |
| 23:07.19 | tristanbob | not related |
| 23:07.21 | CrashSys | Hmmm, must be newer behaviour then... |
| 23:07.39 | CrashSys | Last time I tried it was 1.2-branch |
| 23:07.42 | [TK]D-Fender | tristanbob: please be specific about exactly which "software" you're referring to |
| 23:08.36 | tristanbob | [TK]D-Fender, my apologies, AA50 1.2 firmware - question about recorded voice prompts not being availalbe in voice menus |
| 23:08.43 | ttf | what are my options if I want to connect my laptop running asterisk to a pstn line? I guess one option is a modem card. does an ATA help in in that case as well (provide that it is connected to the same ehternet like my laptop and to the pstn line)? |
| 23:09.29 | *** join/#asterisk craigk (n=craigk@58.174.150.119) |
| 23:09.44 | [TK]D-Fender | trisso far that sounds like a GUI issue... |
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| 23:10.17 | [TK]D-Fender | ttf: Linksys SPA-3102 <- solves your cordless phone issue AND your "how do I let * use my land-line" issue |
| 23:10.37 | jablko | [TK]D-Fender: this is my current extensions.conf: http://pastebin.com/m5156b7c |
| 23:10.57 | jablko | however it rings twice, answers, then waits for 8 seconds, then plays the foo sound |
| 23:11.03 | [TK]D-Fender | jablko: and I said 15, not 8 |
| 23:11.24 | [TK]D-Fender | jablko: And it does not answer first. |
| 23:11.27 | Polis_ttt | hi, i got a big problem, my asterisk-servers are hijacked. They are using asterisk 1.2.*, even 1.2.30 have problem. Someone from malaysia with a lot of ip have used it to make calls over the weekend. But without any sip-account or extenstions |
| 23:11.52 | [TK]D-Fender | Polis_ttt: Then you should not be allowing un-authd calls. |
| 23:12.01 | Polis_ttt | i have blocked tehre ip, but are trying to find out how they did it but can't find anything on google |
| 23:12.04 | CrashSys | Polis: Sounds like an insecure config |
| 23:12.16 | [TK]D-Fender | Polis_ttt: You are allowing un-auth'd calls <--- |
| 23:12.37 | [TK]D-Fender | Polis_ttt: make sure your context under [general] does not let them do anything useful. |
| 23:12.40 | Polis_ttt | [TK]D-Fender: okey, where do i change that? |
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| 23:18.30 | sapere | hey guys, i'm attempting to register with ipkall now and it wants a SIP phone number; someone previously suggested i try sip:username@host ... but ipkall doesn't seem to allow me to provide such a long SIP phone number. any other suggestions? |
| 23:19.42 | Polis_ttt | [TK]D-Fender: i don't know in witch .conf-file i will look for it, or what setting, shall i use something like allowguest=no or what? |
| 23:20.15 | [TK]D-Fender | Polis_ttt: sip.conf <---- where else to you think SIP calls get directed by? |
| 23:20.42 | [TK]D-Fender | sapere: user@host <- no "sip:" in front |
| 23:20.56 | [TK]D-Fender | sapere: And there's no way it should be too short. I use them myself |
| 23:21.25 | sapere | [TK]D-Fender: yeah, actually you're correct ... my browser must've been temporarily acting stupid |
| 23:22.37 | Polis_ttt | [TK]D-Fender: hehe, yes, i know sip.conf, but i don't have any allowguest=yes there, do i need something like allowguest=no? |
| 23:22.53 | mchou | what is meant by "grey market" Voip? |
| 23:22.54 | [TK]D-Fender | Polis_ttt: go look at the CONTEXT you specified onder [general] |
| 23:23.19 | [TK]D-Fender | mchou: vague term. If you can't be more specific, then we can't answer |
| 23:23.40 | sapere | [TK]D-Fender: wait a sec ... i was right the first time ... it's not letting me put in my full host name |
| 23:24.12 | sapere | [TK]D-Fender: i'm trying to put in user@my-dyndns.org-acct |
| 23:24.30 | [TK]D-Fender | sapere: what is that junk after ".org"? |
| 23:25.02 | sapere | [TK]D-Fender: well i'm litterally putting in "100@jhight.dyndns.org" |
| 23:25.10 | sapere | but it doesn't fit, try for yourself: http://phone.ipkall.com/ipphone/ |
| 23:25.27 | mchou | lol |
| 23:25.49 | sapere | lol what am i doing wrong |
| 23:25.49 | [TK]D-Fender | sapere: break them up. tthat form clearly separates the exten from the host |
| 23:25.54 | Polis_ttt | [TK]D-Fender: context=default |
| 23:26.22 | sapere | [TK]D-Fender: hah, should've guessed .. thanks a lot |
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| 23:32.31 | conathan | Greetings, was having some problems with making a call from a SIP based phone, through asterisk, to a IAX2 provider. |
| 23:32.44 | conathan | wait a min... I think I just figured out why |
| 23:32.53 | drmessano | mchou: What he means is, he doesn't know either |
| 23:36.13 | drmessano | I would have to guess it means selling voip through non-traditional resellers |
| 23:37.26 | [TK]D-Fender | How do you sell a concept upon which a protocol is written to accomplish? |
| 23:37.54 | [TK]D-Fender | You can't even patent the concept of flight, only a machine that specifically accomplish it. |
| 23:39.22 | drmessano | I can sell a flight without selling you the plane |
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| 23:40.55 | [TK]D-Fender | drmessano: Yes, that is a service. VoIP isn't a service, its a technology. |
| 23:41.17 | drmessano | Tell that to Comcast, Verizon, and Time Warner :) |
| 23:41.21 | [TK]D-Fender | drmessano: Now if someone specifically mean VoIP Termination SERVICE. Thats be something else. |
| 23:41.39 | [TK]D-Fender | drmessano: Again, still a tech until you offer something VIA it |
| 23:42.35 | [TK]D-Fender | drmessano: Other common occurances of "VoIP" & "grey market" might be referring to clones of Cisco gear out there. Hence non-legit unsupported hardware which happens to USE VOIP |
| 23:43.03 | [TK]D-Fender | drmessano: but people dumb enough to throw 2-3 vague words around and expect a solid answer are jsut retarded :) |
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| 23:44.38 | drmessano | ..or maybe they are just asking for a claification on what the use of the term infers |
| 23:46.59 | [TK]D-Fender | drmessano: this was a case of parroting... POOR parroting at best. |
| 23:47.03 | drmessano | If I am gonna ask someone "WTF does does "Grey market VoIP" mean" and you say I am being too vague, you're wasting my time. If I knew what the term meant, I wouldn't be asking. Now you're asking me to clarify something I just asked for a clarification on, which is pointless. Easier to say "I don't know, never heard the term" |
| 23:47.53 | Yourname` | Anyone know a good softphone for winmo6.1? |
| 23:48.01 | [TK]D-Fender | drmessano: either way I think this has run its course... |
| 23:48.35 | [TK]D-Fender | Ah that reminds me, I should get around to upgrading my HTC Touch now... |
| 23:48.45 | Polis_ttt | [TK]D-Fender: I have looked in my default-section in extesions.conf but can't find anything for why someone can make unauthorised calls, do you know what i have to lok for? |
| 23:49.03 | CrashSys | damn, this X100p is giving me NMI/Master abort errors :( |
| 23:49.09 | CrashSys | so much for a cheapo timer |
| 23:49.24 | [TK]D-Fender | Polis_ttt: Go look in your CDR to identify what device matched those inappropriate calls. |
| 23:49.42 | drmessano | [TK]D-Fender: Unfortunately it has, and trying to explain how pointless it is to browbeat someone for being too vague when asking about some vague term they themselves needed clarification on has apparently been wasted. |
| 23:49.43 | drmessano | Oh well |
| 23:49.45 | [TK]D-Fender | ~ygwypf |
| 23:49.46 | jbot | i heard ygwypf is You Get What You Pay For. If the sole factor in your decision to purchase a product or service is that it's cheaper than everything else out there, don't be surprised if it's also worse in every other respect than everything else out there. |
| 23:50.58 | [TK]D-Fender | drmessano: Yup, but now we've also clarified the concept of "selling voip" so it isn't a complete loss ;) |
| 23:52.10 | CrashSys | I like my Grandstream tho! |
| 23:52.12 | CrashSys | ducks |
| 23:52.13 | drmessano | [TK]D-Fender: All I think we did was prove that some people would rather argue semantics than admit they don't know something :) |
| 23:52.31 | conathan | offers to sell HTTP |
| 23:52.59 | newmember | how do I route an extion XXXX to a gateway? |
| 23:53.23 | [TK]D-Fender | conathan: that would be a lot more specific than selling "voip" :) |
| 23:53.30 | newmember | how do I route a call to an extension XXXX that is on a PBX connected to a gateway |
| 23:53.35 | drmessano | conathan: I think to properly put the analogy into perspective, you can't see someone internet service |
| 23:53.37 | [TK]D-Fender | newmember: "core show application dial" <- |
| 23:53.49 | drmessano | you have to be specific about what protocol they are using |
| 23:54.00 | drmessano | Which reminds me, I need to pay my FTP bill |
| 23:54.03 | [TK]D-Fender | conathan: At least HTTP is a fully defined protocol, not just a "concept" |
| 23:58.08 | CrashSys | I find the SIP "Protocol" odd and entertaining... who needs consistency when you can have flavor! |
| 23:58.38 | drmessano | Wow, close one |
| 23:58.49 | [TK]D-Fender | CrashSys: Sounds like a curry recipe ;) |
| 23:58.51 | drmessano | Glad you put quotes around protocol |
| 23:59.19 | CrashSys | Add a little cilantro and some vegetable art and you end up with Panang Curry |
| 23:59.21 | drmessano | You won't be here in 3 hours hearing about your redundancy :) |
| 23:59.48 | [TK]D-Fender | Who follows "protocol" anyways? Think of them more as "guidelines" ;P |