IRC log for #asterisk on 20081103

`00:08.02`	`ManxPower`	`Carlos_PHX: that is a harmless message and I will go away`
`00:08.21`	`ManxPower`	`nobody I know knows why, seems to happen on restarts until the phones re-register, but I'm not sure.`
`00:09.08`	`Carlos_PHX`	`There's definitely a positive relationship to a restart, but also happens at random. And once it starts, seems to go on forever, or at least more than a few hours.`
`00:09.16`	`ManxPower`	`when you are in production it's not an issue because you won't be starting the server all the time.`
`00:09.28`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Except for the random part.`
`00:09.34`	`ManxPower`	`Carlos_PHX: try shortening your registration times`
`00:09.48`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Less than 60 seconds??`
`00:09.55`	`ManxPower`	`gads no.`
`00:10.02`	`ManxPower`	`I like 10 - 30 mins.`
`00:10.37`	`Carlos_PHX`	`This one's at 60 seconds now.`
`00:11.08`	`Carlos_PHX`	`I'm slowly removing all the damn Polycoms, but still have 30-some at this site.`
`00:13.34`	`ManxPower`	`Good gads why?`
`00:15.13`	`Carlos_PHX`	`I know, I know, some people like the damn things.`
`00:15.30`	`Carlos_PHX`	`My answer is, because they are a pain in the ass and suck in every way except the speakerphone.`
`00:16.08`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`ManxPower: We've had this conversation before...`
`00:16.59`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Yeah, don't get me started, especially when they are actively pissing me off. :-p`
`00:17.06`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Carlos_PHX: You stand largely alone in your belief, but you are welcome to it.`
`00:17.40`	`Carlos_PHX`	`I and everyone I have spoken to outside of this channel stand together. I had no idea until that day that anyone actually liked them.`
`00:17.41`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Carlos_PHX: Since its a harmless message you can feel as pissed off about that as you wish as well, just remember that its harmless`
`00:17.51`	`Carlos_PHX`	`My employees, partner, local Asterisk guys I work with...`
`00:18.12`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Admits to a certain OCD about an error-free console.`
`00:18.27`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Carlos_PHX: 1 step down, 11 to go...`
`00:19.24`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Carlos_PHX: I do suggest Linksys outside of North America where the cost factor becomes significant, but aside from that there is nothing the do better or cheaper that Polycom here.`
`00:20.00`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Carlos_PHX: Though I'm sure the 962 is better than its brothers.. I certain would hope so`
`00:20.02`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Well, there's no question they cost less. But the real benefit is manageability, but like you said, we went through it.`
`00:21.30`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Carlos_PHX: Yes, because of the way you want to manage contacts, Polycom isn't as quick to respond as you'd like. Many would argue what you value isn't a good working model, but its what you seem to live with. Oh well...`
`00:22.03`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Carlos_PHX: just not the best tool for your approach is all.`
`00:22.20`	`Carlos_PHX`	`There's much more to it. You think we're doing it wrong. True or not, it's working well with the Linksys phones and not the Polycoms. But day to day, they don't piss me off. Or the people that work for me.`
`00:22.45`	`Carlos_PHX`	`The contacts is but one example.`
`00:23.04`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Carlos_PHX: some key points you had were the reboot time, due to how you maintain caller lists, etc... these are rare things to see micromanged to the point of proving an issue`
`00:23.51`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Carlos_PHX: Anyway I think we'd best drop this. I'd rather hear the good bits of Linksys as well as update news from you than have us go on about what you didn't like about Polycom.`
`00:23.59`	`Carlos_PHX`	`That was just one thing. It would take a while to make a list, but the words "fucking Polycom" weren't uncommon around our office.`
`00:24.01`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Carlos_PHX: Best to contribute back the good stuff..`
`00:24.12`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Heh`
`00:24.30`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Carlos_PHX: I'll simply wonder what could have gone wrong to have that as an outcome.`
`00:24.36`	`ManxPower`	`[TK]D-Fender: Ah. He was the Polycom Hater.`
`00:24.43`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Well, one awesome thing is being able to make a web config and copy it out of the phone as XML. Sure, that's only good when you don't know how to do something specific.`
`00:24.49`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Carlos_PHX: Because its the first I've ever heard.`
`00:25.10`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`ManxPower: Leave him be.`
`00:25.18`	`Carlos_PHX`	`We also got rid of all the Cisco...what about those...`
`00:25.27`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Carlos_PHX: Every maker has lots to learn from their peers.`
`00:25.39`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Carlos_PHX: No... everybody hates on Cisco ;)`
`00:25.45`	`ManxPower`	`You can fight Asterisk's oddities and live a miserable pointless life or you can embrace Asterisk's oddities and live a happy fulfilling life.`
`00:26.02`	`Carlos_PHX`	`I've done that. The phones were too much since they were easy to change.`
`00:26.14`	`ManxPower`	`[TK]D-Fender: I just hate Cisco's firmware licensing`
`00:26.18`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Every time I look at something outside of Asterisk I come back. The stuff is like crack.`
`00:26.22`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Carlos_PHX: Cisco jsut really doesn't care about SIP, licenses everything to death, etc....`
`00:27.02`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Carlos_PHX: Great physical hardware however... If they got their heads out of their asses it'd have every chance to take a giant piece out of the market`
`00:27.11`	`Carlos_PHX`	`I can tell you one thing...the users actively ask us for Linksys when they have a mixed environment. Users may be stupid, whatever, but they know what they like.`
`00:27.30`	`Carlos_PHX`	`I just hope they don't hose over the Linksys line to protect their market.`
`00:27.52`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Carlos_PHX: The linksys do work, but have their quirks. I hated the build of my 941, the LCD usability, the fact when a call ended I got reorder tone, etc.`
`00:27.55`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Another nice thing about LInksys...built in PoE on even the low-end phones without a goofy cable.`
`00:28.05`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Carlos_PHX: As far as the basic went beyond that however I did like it.`
`00:28.23`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Carlos_PHX: Polycom hasn't needed a goofy cable except for the 30X & 50X.`
`00:28.29`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Things like the reorder tone have been improved in firmware.`
`00:28.40`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Carlos_PHX: And if you wanted PoE you probably wouldn't have picked those models anyways.`
`00:28.42`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Right, and the 50x was our most-used phone./`
`00:28.56`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Customers start getting price sensitive.`
`00:29.12`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Carlos_PHX: Ah... see when I took my company to * I skipped the 50X and went right to the 600 and got the mMicroBrowser, etc right off...`
`00:29.44`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Carlos_PHX: the IP 320/330 is a near category killer however. Everything a basic user needs really cheap and good quality`
`00:29.46`	`Carlos_PHX`	`When faced with the choices, most customers prefer to save the money. 99% don't even use the power of a 3xx phone.`
`00:30.09`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Sure, the 320 is decent, but the Linksys 942 is more for less.`
`00:30.19`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Carlos_PHX: Thats why I love the 320. $85 +/- for a really great PoE phone...`
`00:30.26`	`Carlos_PHX`	`The 3xx fails on its speakerphone even.`
`00:30.46`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Carlos_PHX: which models & how?`
`00:30.57`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Carlos_PHX: And the 942 does cost a fair bit more...`
`00:31.04`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Carlos_PHX: Not a fair straight up comparison.`
`00:31.18`	`Carlos_PHX`	`90% of our sales are 942.`
`00:31.28`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Some 941 or 921 for really cheap ones.`
`00:31.33`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Actually... not that much more... 942's have come down..`
`00:31.36`	`Carlos_PHX`	`962 with console for receptionists.`
`00:31.46`	`Carlos_PHX`	`We pay under $100 for them.`
`00:31.51`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Carlos_PHX: I can imagine.`
`00:32.07`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Then $100 for a refurb Nortel PoE switch....`
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`00:34.20`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Customers like little things like the backlighting. Which is configurable, along with even the button colors.`
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`00:34.50`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Carlos_PHX: Yeah, I know about the button colours. thats the first thing I customized to follow Polycom's colour scheme`
`00:35.12`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Carlos_PHX: Polycom was slow to adopt backlight.`
`00:35.23`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Er, which Polycom has lighted buttons?`
`00:35.43`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Carlos_PHX: Ever used a higher end Aastra like the 57i or 480?`
`00:35.43`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Oh, you mean the console. I meant the phone itself.`
`00:35.48`	`Carlos_PHX`	`No`
`00:36.04`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Carlos_PHX: the buttons themselves don't light, there is a little light beside the button.`
`00:36.42`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Carlos_PHX: IP 320,330,430,550,6XX all have lights next to the line-keys`
`00:36.47`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Oh yeah, and my CS70 wireless headset doesn't spit the handset across the room on the Linksys... :-p`
`00:36.55`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Carlos_PHX: Onlyt the 30X, and 50X didn't have them`
`00:37.10`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Carlos_PHX: But on the Aastra question.. ever use one of those?`
`00:37.16`	`Carlos_PHX`	`No, haven't.`
`00:38.31`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Carlos_PHX: Boot is mid-speed, the soft-keys are GODLY> statebased, full presence support, can do incall DTMF and be used for new call dialing, etc...`
`00:38.38`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Carlos_PHX: Something the others could learn from.`
`00:39.25`	`Carlos_PHX`	`The lack of DTMF on the 932 console is a let-down.`
`00:39.31`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Really it does only one thing.`
`00:40.07`	`Carlos_PHX`	`For a busy receptionist, it could be much better.`
`00:40.20`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Carlos_PHX: The Aastra console thanks to its soft-key management if #^%$ing sick... too bad it crashes soo often`
`00:40.31`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Ugh`
`00:40.36`	`Carlos_PHX`	`That would be bad.`
`00:40.38`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Carlos_PHX: 60 state-based backlight named keys...`
`00:40.44`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`carEACH`
`00:41.02`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Carlos_PHX: No maker is perfect... together they would be awesome`
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`00:41.31`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Damn, you're gonna make me have to try one, which could get me lynched around here if I say we're adding yet another phone brand.`
`00:41.45`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Carlos_PHX: trick is not to do it in production.`
`00:41.45`	`trnzmeta`	`guys: any recommend any sip phones out there for call centre?`
`00:41.57`	`trnzmeta`	`snom and grandstream suck`
`00:42.01`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`trnzmeta: Describe the environment more.`
`00:42.06`	`Carlos_PHX`	`IF we see continued updates every couple months from Linksys, it might be really great in a year.`
`00:42.23`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`trnzmeta: Headsets? already have? What kind? How many seats? Any special needs?`
`00:42.25`	`trnzmeta`	`sip handsets for asterisk`
`00:42.25`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Well, we just happened to be talking phones...`
`00:42.32`	`trnzmeta`	`in call centre env`
`00:42.40`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Headsets I assume?`
`00:42.44`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Display?`
`00:42.52`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Outbound/inbound?`
`00:42.54`	`trnzmeta`	`hardphone with headset`
`00:43.00`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Queue, predictive, etc?`
`00:43.25`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Budget target?`
`00:43.29`	`Carlos_PHX`	`PoE?`
`00:43.40`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Need passthough port?`
`00:43.45`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Got Milk?`
`00:44.01`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`U CAN HAZ CHEEZEBURGER?`
`00:44.31`	`Carlos_PHX`	`The Aastras sure are fugly, usually a good sign of good hardware.`
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`00:44.42`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Which one did you say is a great receptionist phone?`
`00:45.36`	`trnzmeta`	`what about the nortels and avayas?`
`00:45.38`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Carlos_PHX: Aastra's downside, just so you no : handset has NO weight, bas is light and slides (like linksys, useless rubber feet), poor LCD viewing angle, last I checked still a retard text-based interface on what would normally be a good pixel-based screen.`
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`00:46.11`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Oh yeah, Linksys fixed that. Never seen them slide around.`
`00:46.19`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Carlos_PHX: known to crash too often, definitely crashes if you have to many presence indicators fire up on it, rubbery shit buttons with stupid symbols.`
`00:46.22`	`Carlos_PHX`	`I think those were reasons we didn't look at them.`
`00:46.25`	`Carlos_PHX`	`They looked cheesy`
`00:46.33`	`Daejeo`	`does anyone have a cellphone with gps ?`
`00:46.37`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Not cheezburger, which is good.`
`00:46.39`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Yes`
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`00:47.07`	`Daejeo`	`can you see longitude and latitude?`
`00:47.18`	`Carlos_PHX`	`If I fire up an app that shows that.`
`00:47.34`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Everything is based from that, of course.`
`00:48.18`	`Carlos_PHX`	`[TK]D-Fender: I'm pleasantly shocked at the price of the Aastra console.`
`00:48.31`	`*** part/#asterisk Carlos_PHX (n=Carlos@ip68-3-162-244.ph.ph.cox.net)`
`00:48.39`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Carlos_PHX: Yup... once stable it would be godly.`
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`00:49.06`	`Carlos_PHX`	`I need to be more careful with the quit key.`
`00:50.09`	`Daejeo`	`can u see that now?`
`00:50.33`	`Carlos_PHX`	`See what?`
`00:50.42`	`Daejeo`	`latitude`
`00:50.49`	`Daejeo`	`and logitude`
`00:50.59`	`Daejeo`	`and longitude`
`00:51.21`	`Daejeo`	`what is the format?`
`00:51.29`	`Daejeo`	`DD:MM:SS?`
`00:52.26`	`Carlos_PHX`	`It's in decimal format.`
`00:53.02`	`Carlos_PHX`	`I'm sure an app could display it in any way. What are you trying to do?`
`00:53.47`	`Carlos_PHX`	`[TK]D-Fender: This phone is cheap for what it does. So how often does it crash?`
`00:53.57`	`Carlos_PHX`	`And then what? Self-reboot? Unplug?`
`00:54.13`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Carlos_PHX: last I knew, just hung`
`00:54.21`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Carlos_PHX: I haven't followed up lately..`
`00:54.33`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Carlos_PHX: Just giving you food for thought on things you might want to test`
`00:54.33`	`Carlos_PHX`	`That would make people crazy I think.`
`00:54.43`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Yeah, the console is hot.`
`00:55.51`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Have you used the wireless one?`
`00:56.29`	`Daejeo`	`Carlos_PHX: is there anyway that i could get the co-ordinates from cellphone?`
`00:56.41`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Your cell phone, or mine??`
`00:56.55`	`Daejeo`	`anycellphone`
`00:57.11`	`Carlos_PHX`	`No, not "any" cell phone, only the ones with a full GPS receiver in them.`
`00:57.26`	`Daejeo`	`of course with gps`
`00:57.52`	`Daejeo`	`lets say u call my pbx`
`00:58.00`	`Carlos_PHX`	`ROFL...that...no`
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`00:58.20`	`Daejeo`	`i want to know ur co-ordinates`
`00:58.45`	`Daejeo`	`i think if u could see`
`00:58.49`	`Carlos_PHX`	`There is nothing in the phone network that would make that possible.`
`00:58.55`	`Daejeo`	`u can enter`
`00:59.00`	`Daejeo`	`nono`
`00:59.26`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Ask for it? Sure, but every phone is different so how are you going to teach people to get it?`
`00:59.43`	`Daejeo`	`i am making a system to accept the caller's co-ordinates`
`01:00.24`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Why not just use a web app since any phone with GPS also has data?`
`01:01.32`	`Daejeo`	`web app?`
`01:01.44`	`Daejeo`	`how can i get the data?`
`01:02.21`	`Carlos_PHX`	`I have an iPhone, it can give the data to an app. I don't know about others.`
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`01:02.26`	`Daejeo`	`the way u enter your zip code`
`01:02.46`	`Daejeo`	`u can also enter you co-ordinates`
`01:02.46`	`Carlos_PHX`	`You probably should ask on a cell phone channel or forum.`
`01:03.17`	`Daejeo`	`what is exact name of cellphone channel >?`
`01:03.22`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Flipping between the phone screen and GPS screen would make that unusable.`
`01:03.28`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Beats me`
`01:03.51`	`Daejeo`	`no no`
`01:04.03`	`Daejeo`	`i will use asr`
`01:04.20`	`Daejeo`	`people can say the co-ordinates`
`01:05.02`	`Carlos_PHX`	`What's the purpose? The end result I mean?`
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`01:05.59`	`Daejeo`	`well if u have a iphone u can find the nearest pizza hut/clinic etc`
`01:06.33`	`Daejeo`	`u can dial the number automatically`
`01:06.50`	`Daejeo`	`but if i don't have a iphone`
`01:07.02`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Why would I do that instead of using all the apps on the phone that do that automatically based on what the phone already knows and its data connection?`
`01:07.18`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Every phone with GPS does that.`
`01:07.30`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Otherwise GPS would be pointless, no?`
`01:07.54`	`Daejeo`	`how can i find the nearest pizza hut and wanna call automatically`
`01:08.12`	`guax`	`ask the recepcionist`
`01:08.20`	`Daejeo`	`right`
`01:08.25`	`Daejeo`	`so`
`01:08.35`	`guax`	`*01 in asterisk =P`
`01:08.36`	`Daejeo`	`i made a virtual agent'`
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`01:09.40`	`Daejeo`	`my virtual user agent will help for transferring the call to nearest pizza hut`
`01:09.46`	`Carlos_PHX`	`How do you do that on a GPS-enabled phone now?`
`01:10.03`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Each phone is different, but you just select the found data and press the dial key.`
`01:10.19`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Like on a Pocket PC you tap the phone number and it asks if you want to call.`
`01:10.28`	`Carlos_PHX`	`On an iPhone about the same.`
`01:10.34`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Treo has a button.`
`01:10.47`	`Daejeo`	`i just need the co-ordinates,`
`01:11.23`	`Carlos_PHX`	`No, you just need smart users who are willing to learn how to get arcane data out of their phones, and I am skeptical on finding those.`
`01:12.16`	`Daejeo`	`as u told me that`
`01:12.20`	`Abydos313`	`any recommendations on what distro to run asterisk in a production enviro?`
`01:12.27`	`Carlos_PHX`	`1.6`
`01:12.35`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Or you mean Linux?`
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`01:12.46`	`drmessano`	`Hmm`
`01:12.53`	`Daejeo`	`u can see longitude and latitude`
`01:12.57`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Oh good, a distro war, woohoo`
`01:13.00`	`Abydos313`	`yes like debian over centos or ?`
`01:13.02`	`Daejeo`	`is it hard to find?`
`01:13.02`	`drmessano`	`Let me ask you this`
`01:13.02`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Popcorn & scotch`
`01:13.07`	`guax`	`Abydos313: you can use Slackware (my sugestion) or Debian (most common)`
`01:13.11`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Daejeo: Yes`
`01:13.12`	`drmessano`	`..`
`01:13.20`	`Carlos_PHX`	`At least on the iPhone and Pocket PC.`
`01:13.33`	`Daejeo`	`ah`
`01:13.36`	`Abydos313`	`kewl debian i like alot , i was asking since the distro's with astersisk seem to be alot on centos`
`01:13.37`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Only nutballs use Debian.`
`01:13.45`	`guax`	`Abydos313: use the distro you are most used to, asterisk doesnt mind very much on where it is`
`01:13.53`	`Abydos313`	`kewl thx`
`01:14.06`	`Daejeo`	`then i need to write application to show on the cellphone`
`01:14.19`	`drmessano`	`If I have a iphone, gphone, bb, or whatever, and I pay for a data plan, because, it's a smartphone.. Why in the hell would I use up metered minutes calling a service that I can access 10x interactively and visually with my phones display`
`01:14.25`	`Carlos_PHX`	`You really think users are going to do all this?`
`01:14.25`	`drmessano`	`Info services went out with the 90s`
`01:14.37`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Exactly.`
`01:14.48`	`Carlos_PHX`	`I haven't even called 411 in...dunno`
`01:15.03`	`drmessano`	`I use up minutes with every call.. So I am actually consuming something to use this..`
`01:15.08`	`Carlos_PHX`	`And all the high end phones have "what is nearby" type apps.`
`01:15.16`	`drmessano`	`With data plans, "unlimited", who notices`
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`01:15.33`	`Daejeo`	`800 numbers?`
`01:15.40`	`drmessano`	`800 still costs`
`01:15.43`	`Carlos_PHX`	`They cost the same as any others.`
`01:15.44`	`drmessano`	`You use minutes`
`01:15.46`	`Carlos_PHX`	`From a cell`
`01:15.54`	`Carlos_PHX`	`The cost is irrelevant.`
`01:15.58`	`Carlos_PHX`	`It's just too much work.`
`01:16.03`	`Daejeo`	`i don't talk about usa`
`01:16.06`	`Carlos_PHX`	`When I have a button that says "Find nearby"`
`01:16.14`	`drmessano`	`and a map?`
`01:16.19`	`drmessano`	`and some cool graphics`
`01:16.23`	`Carlos_PHX`	`And reviews`
`01:16.27`	`Carlos_PHX`	`And menus`
`01:16.32`	`Carlos_PHX`	`And online ordering.`
`01:16.41`	`drmessano`	`and some spam offering me $3 off my purchase... oh hey.. $3 off to boot..`
`01:16.54`	`Daejeo`	`how many people have a iphone?`
`01:17.01`	`Carlos_PHX`	`11 million`
`01:17.08`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Last count I heard, could be more now.`
`01:17.09`	`Sean	`hey whats a good quality ip phone and not to expensive avay POLYCOM or aastra or grandstream`
`01:17.09`	`drmessano`	`How many people have "smartphones" is what you need to be asking`
`01:17.37`	`Daejeo`	`ok`
`01:17.48`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Sean: You just want a wild answer or based on specific needs?
`01:17.51`	`drmessano`	`Even $99 phones with crappy navigation from the front have these basic features`
`01:18.02`	`Daejeo`	`just few people`
`01:18.17`	`Sean	`carlos both`
`01:18.26`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Daejeo: If they have GPS in the phone, it's a high end phone.`
`01:18.35`	`Carlos_PHX`	`My wild answer is Linksys 942.`
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`01:18.37`	`Daejeo`	`70% people are using normal cellphone in usa`
`01:18.44`	`drmessano`	`Daejeo: No`
`01:18.50`	`marc7`	`is there any way of using SIPAddHeader() in a .call file to be placed in /var/spool/asterisk/outgoing?`
`01:18.51`	`Carlos_PHX`	`But we just had a religious discussion on phones, so you'll get other opinions.`
`01:18.53`	`drmessano`	`Daejeo: It's much less now through attrition`
`01:19.12`	`drmessano`	`A $59 samsung has Pseudo GPS and web features`
`01:19.15`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Daejeo: One problem is that "normal" phones don't have GPS`
`01:19.42`	`Carlos_PHX`	`If you really want to make it useful, take a street address and/or cross-street.`
`01:19.53`	`drmessano`	`My cheesy Samsung that i got 2 years ago for $99 had "GPS" and Verizon web`
`01:20.02`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Sean: So details on what you really need?
`01:20.24`	`Daejeo`	`i can take the detail`
`01:20.28`	`Carlos_PHX`	`I think we all agree Cisco and Grandstream suck donkey balls.`
`01:20.33`	`Daejeo`	`but if it is a mid night`
`01:20.41`	`Daejeo`	`and u r at a new place`
`01:20.42`	`Sean	`hows polycom`
`01:20.50`	`Carlos_PHX`	`I hate them, most here love them.`
`01:21.04`	`Sean	`carlos its for a cellcenter`
`01:21.06`	`Carlos_PHX`	`I'm actively removing all the Polycoms when I can.`
`01:21.16`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Were you just in here asking a min ago?`
`01:21.18`	`Sean	`y`
`01:21.23`	`Sean	`bi`
`01:21.24`	`Sean	`no`
`01:21.32`	`Carlos_PHX`	`I have call centers on Polycom 3xx series and Linksys 921`
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`01:21.54`	`Sean	`hows the quality and price?`
`01:22.01`	`Carlos_PHX`	`But tell us your specific needs like display, headset, pass-through, PoE, etc etc.`
`01:22.12`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Both are good quality, the price is lower on the LInksys.`
`01:22.19`	`drmessano`	`Nobody wants to make a 3 min phone call to find a pizza place 3 mins away`
`01:22.23`	`Carlos_PHX`	`I think the Linksys are way easier to manage, others disagree.`
`01:22.48`	`Carlos_PHX`	`I have used Grandstream in a call center and it was a disaster.`
`01:22.49`	`drmessano`	`Carlos_PHX: Have you locked down the displays yet?`
`01:22.56`	`Sean	`carlos im looking for something that can have a headset attached`
`01:23.00`	`Sean	`cheap inexpensive one`
`01:23.04`	`Carlos_PHX`	`On the Linksys? Lock down?`
`01:23.15`	`Carlos_PHX`	`The Linksys take a generic 2.5mm headset`
`01:23.17`	`drmessano`	`Carlos_PHX: Locked down access to features`
`01:23.21`	`Carlos_PHX`	`The Polycoms are more picky.`
`01:23.28`	`Carlos_PHX`	`No, we let people do what they want.`
`01:23.32`	`drmessano`	`ok`
`01:23.33`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Oddly, no problems so far.`
`01:23.47`	`Carlos_PHX`	`When I find smart users I tell them how to manipulate things.`
`01:24.00`	`Sean	`hrmp, but lets say this call center is filed with idiots`
`01:24.09`	`Sean	`i need a idiot freindly phone`
`01:24.24`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Either the Polycom 3xx or Linksys will be about the same.`
`01:24.24`	`Sean	`and it needs to have easy features for agents so they can easily transfer calls`
`01:24.40`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Buy two of each and test them.`
`01:24.44`	`Sean	`hrmp 942 doesnt seem bad`
`01:24.48`	`Sean	`or 941`
`01:24.55`	`Carlos_PHX`	`I like them a lot.`
`01:25.04`	`Carlos_PHX`	`http://www.888voipstore.com/linksys-spa921-pr-16145.html`
`01:25.08`	`Sean	`whats the configuration like easy with asteriskÉ`
`01:25.12`	`Sean	`?`
`01:25.34`	`drmessano`	`The Provisioning as far as the front panel is a mess.. If you set a user password for the device, it not only prompts on the web UI, but makes you enter it for viewing missed calls, etc.. its dumb. You can't prevent things like call forwarding from the front because the CFWD parameters in the XML only lock the Web UI`
`01:25.38`	`Carlos_PHX`	`The Asterisk side is the same for either. Provisioning the phones is where for me the Linksys is better.`
`01:26.07`	`Sean	`drmessano are you talking abou the linksys`
`01:26.30`	`drmessano`	`Yeah, even though they are far superior for the price`
`01:26.33`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Testing that now`
`01:26.50`	`drmessano`	`and if you're not a nutcase like me, locking stuff like that down isnt normally a problem`
`01:27.09`	`drmessano`	`But I would rather them not have speed dial, etc`
`01:27.17`	`drmessano`	`and you cant really turn that off`
`01:27.18`	`Carlos_PHX`	`It seems to only ask on the first attempt to do an admin function.`
`01:27.26`	`Sean	`oh`
`01:27.36`	`Sean	`~ipphone`
`01:27.52`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Sean: Seriously, buy some to test.
`01:27.58`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Also, what size call center?`
`01:28.06`	`Sean	`dude i need to give my boss a proposal tomrow`
`01:28.08`	`Carlos_PHX`	`In/outbound? Predictive? Queue?`
`01:28.13`	`Sean	`30-40 people`
`01:28.22`	`Sean	`in and outbound`
`01:28.34`	`Sean	`mostly outbound`
`01:28.45`	`Sean	`calls bridged with dialer`
`01:28.46`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Ok, well, personally since I support a few call centers with both, I'd buy the Linksys for the easier provisioning. But the Polycoms are good too.`
`01:29.04`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Both have the auto-answer you may use with predictive dialers.`
`01:29.19`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Headset options cheaper on the Linksys.`
`01:29.35`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Both have headset support though.`
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`01:29.54`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Build in the price of the more expensive one then test them.`
`01:30.03`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Your proposal doesn't need to specify brand.`
`01:30.25`	`Sean	`haha true`
`01:30.26`	`Sean	`:)`
`01:30.31`	`Sean	`thats something thats all upto me :P`
`01:30.36`	`Sean	`carlos can i pm you?`
`01:30.48`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Just because I use one doesn't mean you don't run into something that causes issues in YOUR environment.`
`01:30.50`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Sure`
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`01:43.35`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Trixbox sux`
`01:44.05`	`Maliuta`	`well there is that`
`01:44.57`	`Sean	`astgui`
`01:45.12`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Customer's box, can't make it work with our service, taking a look for them.`
`01:45.21`	`Carlos_PHX`	`WTF, no way to enter a "friend" definition?`
`01:45.23`	`drmessano`	`Trixbox + Windows Vista = Crapified Messaging`
`01:45.35`	`drmessano`	`Sure you can`
`01:45.49`	`drmessano`	`peer details, set it as type=friend`
`01:46.05`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Trying that. The UI makes it seem that it's wrong to do so.`
`01:46.58`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Lovely, load the pretty Ajaxy overlay outside the screen boundaries.`
`01:47.17`	`Sean	`lol`
`01:47.41`	`drmessano`	`Im gonna take a guess that you can only provision the voice part of an RTP300`
`01:47.42`	`Carlos_PHX`	`drmessano: You know if this thing has a CLI?`
`01:47.57`	`drmessano`	`Of course it does`
`01:48.04`	`drmessano`	`But you cant edit via CLI`
`01:48.15`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Would be nice to show peers and all that`
`01:48.19`	`drmessano`	`ah`
`01:48.24`	`drmessano`	`yeah, you can do that`
`01:48.30`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Since it's not connecting to us.`
`01:49.27`	`Carlos_PHX`	`But of course, they didn't give us SSH through their firewall`
`01:49.53`	`drmessano`	`Not sure about the later trixboxes, but theres a web SSH`
`01:50.01`	`drmessano`	`Well`
`01:50.03`	`drmessano`	`No`
`01:50.05`	`drmessano`	`That wouldnt help`
`01:50.08`	`drmessano`	`lol`
`01:50.12`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Well, we do have SSH`
`01:50.17`	`Carlos_PHX`	`But the login isn't the same.`
`01:50.42`	`drmessano`	`You can show the peers via the Asterisk Info`
`01:51.09`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Ah, PBX status...yes`
`01:51.15`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Does a show everything`
`01:51.31`	`drmessano`	`Must be a newer TB`
`01:51.48`	`Carlos_PHX`	`v2.6.1.13`
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`01:51.58`	`drmessano`	`Yeah`
`01:52.26`	`drmessano`	`I'm not familiar with what parts of the UI they slaughtered out of FreePBX`
`01:52.57`	`drmessano`	`But I know FreePBX has breakouts of peers, channels, registries, etc`
`01:53.43`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Create a peer, it doesn't connect. WTF`
`01:54.26`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Config file editor....now we're talking`
`01:54.38`	`drmessano`	`Only gonna help you look`
`01:54.46`	`Carlos_PHX`	`; do not edit this file, this is an auto-generated file by freepbx`
`01:54.46`	`Carlos_PHX`	`; all modifications must be done from the web gui`
`01:55.06`	`Carlos_PHX`	`If you're gonna steal, at least do a good cut/replace`
`01:55.07`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`; all your asses are belong to us`
`01:55.16`	`drmessano`	`Yeah.. thats awesome`
`01:55.20`	`drmessano`	`Well`
`01:55.32`	`Carlos_PHX`	`[TK]D-Fender: Point of order: It's "all your ass are belong to us"`
`01:55.33`	`drmessano`	`If they had a pre-fork version and upgraded`
`01:55.44`	`drmessano`	`Chances are some of the configs would be FreePBX leftovers`
`01:55.56`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Carlos_PHX: Its transitive to your PBX users as well :)`
`01:56.36`	`drmessano`	`Since Fonality knows as much about RPMs as I know about keeping my mouth shut, you can imagine they're a little lousy`
`01:57.39`	`Carlos_PHX`	`qualify=yes doesn't take`
`01:57.44`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Still unmonitored`
`01:57.52`	`drmessano`	`Where did you set it?`
`01:58.07`	`Carlos_PHX`	`The trunk config, in the box where you put the SIP peer info`
`01:58.24`	`drmessano`	`Odd`
`01:58.33`	`drmessano`	`Are you being prompted to reload?`
`01:58.45`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Yes, that's the overlay that pops up outside the screen area`
`01:59.06`	`drmessano`	`If you're not able to access it, you cant confirm it`
`01:59.09`	`drmessano`	`Hang on`
`01:59.18`	`Carlos_PHX`	`No, I'm able to get there`
`01:59.32`	`Carlos_PHX`	`I mean, it's outside the Firefox screen and I have to scroll.`
`01:59.36`	`drmessano`	`oh ok`
`02:00.24`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`BBIAB`
`02:00.48`	`drmessano`	`Im so effing sick of FF 3.0.3`
`02:00.55`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Well, got IAX to appear to connect.`
`02:01.08`	`Carlos_PHX`	`wishes he hadn't said there's no real use for IAX`
`02:01.11`	`drmessano`	`Last 3 revisions of Firefox have been HORRID`
`02:01.15`	`drmessano`	`lol`
`02:02.14`	`Carlos_PHX`	`I haven't had real issues, what are you seeing in Firefox?`
`02:02.54`	`Carlos_PHX`	`drmessano: Know if there's a way to watch call processing on here?`
`02:03.22`	`drmessano`	`Not actively without the CLI`
`02:04.25`	`Maliuta`	`I have a problem. I changed my setup to send incoming calls to a queue. The calls go through to the queue fine, however when they fall through the queue to voicemail() the voicemail complains something about security\`
`02:04.25`	`drmessano`	`Firefox > 3.0.0 has awful issues with JS`
`02:04.25`	`Maliuta`	`http://www.pastebin.ca/1243674`
`02:04.25`	`Carlos_PHX`	`drmessano: What OS?`
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`02:05.13`	`Maliuta`	`points jaytee at http://www.pastebin.ca/1243674 in hope he might be able to help :)`
`02:06.12`	`jaytee`	`hey, slow down! I just got here and I'm about to lapse into a food induced coma from gumbo and bread pudding with a whisky-caramelized brown sugar sauce.`
`02:06.25`	`outtolunc`	`exit`
`02:06.30`	`outtolunc`	`oops`
`02:06.31`	`Carlos_PHX`	`wishes a cajun curse on jaytee for making me hungry`
`02:06.32`	`Maliuta`	`single malt whisky?`
`02:06.55`	`jaytee`	`Carlos_PHX, sorry dude. If I could FedEx ya a bowl of that stuff I would.`
`02:07.21`	`jaytee`	`I meant the gumbo but the whisky? dunno, I didn't cook it.`
`02:07.32`	`jaytee`	`I'll ask next time I talk to her`
`02:07.38`	`Maliuta`	`Single Malt is the dogs balls!`
`02:07.47`	`Maliuta`	`needs more bottles`
`02:08.01`	`Maliuta`	`don't know what I should bring back from .ca`
`02:08.03`	`Carlos_PHX`	`a curse on Maliuta for making me want to dig into the Scotch`
`02:08.30`	`Maliuta`	`Carlos_PHX: too late, your curse can't make my life any worse`
`02:08.31`	`Maliuta`	`:P`
`02:08.42`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Compares working on Trixbox to going out to drink and eat`
`02:08.52`	`jaytee`	`um, I've only owned a female dog but one of my best friends has had several male dogs and having been around them I know I don't want to drink anything that might be even remotely compared to "the dogs balls!"`
`02:09.17`	`Maliuta`	`jaytee: you'd need to be australian to get it`
`02:09.29`	`Maliuta`	`we have heaps of out there sayings`
`02:09.34`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Or English`
`02:09.37`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Dog's bollocks`
`02:09.41`	`Maliuta`	`do you go off like a frog in a sock?`
`02:09.54`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Figures that the prisoners would change it up from the original English.`
`02:10.22`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Wiggles cultural insensitivity bait`
`02:10.26`	`Maliuta`	`there is a reason that Australians look at you funny when you say you logged in as root`
`02:10.32`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Heh`
`02:10.48`	`Maliuta`	`and we say rr-out (route)`
`02:10.50`	`Carlos_PHX`	`"I rooted that computer"`
`02:10.59`	`Maliuta`	`Carlos_PHX: kinky`
`02:11.02`	`Carlos_PHX`	`"Coulda got a nice 'roo mate"`
`02:11.54`	`Maliuta`	`mmm roo`
`02:12.01`	`jaytee`	`frog in a sock sounds like losing one's temper and getting rowdy`
`02:12.02`	`Maliuta`	`is making a roo lasange`
`02:12.13`	`Maliuta`	`jaytee: nope, you fail!`
`02:12.43`	`jaytee`	`then what's it mean?`
`02:13.08`	`Maliuta`	`energtic and jumping everywhere`
`02:13.34`	`drmessano`	`I always login as fair_dinkum`
`02:13.38`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Wouldn't that be what a roo does?`
`02:13.51`	`Maliuta`	`no, roos are road kill`
`02:14.01`	`jaytee`	`around here we use terms like "wired" or "amped-up" or "hyper"`
`02:14.06`	`drmessano`	`So are wombats`
`02:14.07`	`Maliuta`	`if they don't kick your windscreen in`
`02:14.34`	`Maliuta`	`jaytee: those are here too, but its not like going off like a frog in sock ... or just going off`
`02:15.00`	`drmessano`	`throws the joke out there about "What does a wombat do all day? Eats, roots, and leaves.. er.. eats roots and leaves."`
`02:15.35`	`Maliuta`	`yeah, half it's luck`
`02:16.09`	`Maliuta`	`someone fix my queue+voicemail issue :)`
`02:16.33`	`jaytee`	`Maliuta, I'd like to travel to Australia and I'd much rather go there and go off like a frog in a sock then to travel to some other country and "lose my head".`
`02:17.26`	`drmessano`	`Don't go to Australia.. you won't want to leave`
`02:17.30`	`jaytee`	`you pastebined two macros with "This works" and "this doesn't". What exactly are you looking for? Which one to use?`
`02:17.48`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Did you guys see that bird-eating spider from Australia?`
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`02:18.23`	`drmessano`	`Carlos_PHX: That was actually a bird eating mosquito... you have your decimal place off by one`
`02:18.37`	`Maliuta`	`jaytee: well the thing is the Queue works fine, it's just that when it returns and drops to voicemail the voicemail doesn't play the message and go to the mailbox it play some message about security and then drops to hang up`
`02:19.01`	`Maliuta`	`jaytee: if the call falls through to vm I want ppl to be able to leave a msg`
`02:19.18`	`jaytee`	`"some message about security" sounds vaguely like it might be a clue!`
`02:20.40`	`trnzmeta`	`guys: thinking about getting polycom handsets, any experiences words on them?`
`02:22.39`	`jaytee`	`handset? model?`
`02:22.47`	`Maliuta`	`jaytee: I'm not entirely sure a) what the entire message say and b) why it would be an issue`
`02:23.35`	`Carlos_PHX`	`I need a jbot for my answer on handsets.`
`02:24.02`	`Carlos_PHX`	`trnzmeta: I'd sooner drag my balls through broken glass than by another Polycom, but opinions vary and mine isn't popular on this channel.`
`02:25.49`	`trnzmeta`	`well anything is better than snom/grandstream`
`02:26.20`	`Carlos_PHX`	`True, or Cisco`
`02:26.51`	`Carlos_PHX`	`I also have some unbranded Chinese phones around here that make the Grandstreams look good.`
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`02:26.53`	`trnzmeta`	`hmm cisco is good, but they make it awefully hard to get sip phone`
`02:27.03`	`drmessano`	`No`
`02:27.09`	`drmessano`	`They make an awful SIP phone`
`02:27.13`	`drmessano`	`You were close`
`02:27.17`	`drmessano`	`D-`
`02:27.33`	`Sean	`drmessano any idea who is the cheapest DID provider`
`02:27.43`	`Carlos_PHX`	`#*(%#^& Trixbox. At least now I can get a call to the box. But mismatch on contexts.`
`02:27.56`	`drmessano`	`~cheap`
`02:27.57`	`jbot`	`extra, extra, read all about it, cheap is a bad idea. If you're setting up an Asterisk system, one of the wisest pieces of advice you can take is this: DON'T BE A CHEAPSKATE.`
`02:28.04`	`drmessano`	`Im sure I do`
`02:28.05`	`trnzmeta`	`so if not polycom... any other manufacturers? price is no question`
`02:28.05`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Cheapest != good usually`
`02:28.08`	`trnzmeta`	`I'm after reliability`
`02:28.12`	`drmessano`	`I can find someone cheap as shit that works like ass`
`02:28.31`	`Carlos_PHX`	`trnzmeta: I like the Linksys, and if price is no issue, SPA 962.`
`02:28.55`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Sean: For US DID? How many? What volume of calls?
`02:29.13`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Disclosure: I'm an ITSP, I have some biases. I sell services for one.`
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`02:31.00`	`drmessano`	`Wheres your website again?`
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`02:31.17`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Jeezus, the copyrights for Freepbx are still all over the Trixbox files.`
`02:31.24`	`Carlos_PHX`	`www.televolve.com`
`02:31.28`	`Daejeo`	`does anyone have a nokia phone?`
`02:31.40`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Yes, I have one from around 1992`
`02:31.49`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Still makes a good backup.`
`02:32.01`	`jaytee`	`Carlos_PHX, assuming someone else likes Polycom and uses them and is just asking what brand of phone you like to get a Valid opinion, what do you recommend as something to consider?`
`02:32.36`	`jaytee`	`Aastra? Snom? Linksys?`
`02:33.07`	`Carlos_PHX`	`jaytee: Whoa, that was a bit round-about, not sure what you're saying. But I do like the Linksys a lot. Have not used Snom and Aastra.`
`02:33.34`	`trnzmeta`	`well.. considering linksys = cisco`
`02:33.45`	`Carlos_PHX`	`But it's definitely not the same at all!`
`02:33.53`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Linksys = Sipura`
`02:33.53`	`trnzmeta`	`and cisco make shit sip phones... does that equate to linksys = shit?`
`02:34.01`	`jaytee`	`that's what I was asking and at the same time let you know I like Polycom but I keep an open mind about most things.`
`02:34.14`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Gotcha`
`02:34.19`	`Carlos_PHX`	`It's worth a try I think.`
`02:34.33`	`Carlos_PHX`	`I have never heard anyone try both and not like the Linksys, but I'm up to hearing it.`
`02:34.50`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Clarification: Modern firmware version.`
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`02:36.18`	`jaytee`	`I'm using their SPA2102 and SPA3102 ATAs and like them.`
`02:36.50`	`Carlos_PHX`	`I haven't used the ATAs yet. Theirs or any. But I have some sitting here I should try.`
`02:36.54`	`jaytee`	`quirky to configure but once you get it working it performs reliably`
`02:37.27`	`Carlos_PHX`	`The thing I first liked about the Linksys was the great UI and easy config.`
`02:40.33`	`jaytee`	`Carlos_PHX, I'm staring at IP phones on http://www.telephonydepot.com/Linksys_s/26.htm and the prices look close to what I'd pay for a Polycom if I matched certain models for feature to feature as a comparison.`
`02:41.23`	`drmessano`	`Ugh`
`02:41.45`	`jaytee`	`Ugh?`
`02:41.54`	`jaytee`	`UI?`
`02:42.03`	`Carlos_PHX`	`I guess it depends on how you compare them. I think the 942 = 501`
`02:42.25`	`Carlos_PHX`	`But the 942 includes PoE, backlight, lighted buttons, etc etc`
`02:42.55`	`jaytee`	`how do you provision them?`
`02:43.07`	`Carlos_PHX`	`https`
`02:43.23`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Original config is done with a shell script and nmap discovery.`
`02:43.33`	`Carlos_PHX`	`From then on the know where to get configs via https`
`02:44.00`	`Carlos_PHX`	`We encrypt the config files with a key so they are secure.`
`02:44.35`	`jaytee`	`it feels like it should be later, if ya know what I mean.`
`02:44.46`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Agree, I just thought the same thing.`
`02:44.57`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Time flies backwards when you're working on Trixbox.`
`02:45.20`	`jaytee`	`and it's the day after we switch to standard time :-)`
`02:45.39`	`Carlos_PHX`	`It's the day after we ignored all you switchers.`
`02:46.05`	`jaytee`	`oh, AZ doesn't switch does it.`
`02:46.15`	`trnzmeta`	`can you get headsets for the linksys phones?`
`02:46.29`	`Carlos_PHX`	`The Linksys phones us a standard cell type headset.`
`02:46.53`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Any generic headset works.`
`02:47.16`	`jaytee`	`if Plantronics doesn't make a headset for every VOIP phone on the planet I'll eat tripe and saurkraut in the same sitting.`
`02:47.31`	`Carlos_PHX`	`They do.`
`02:47.38`	`Carlos_PHX`	`It's just the matter of cost and supply.`
`02:47.53`	`Carlos_PHX`	`In a call center cost is important because they get replaced all the time.`
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`02:48.01`	`jaytee`	`and I'd throw up right after that but I'll eat both dishes no matter how revolting the thought is just to "eat my words".`
`02:48.03`	`Carlos_PHX`	`I also like choice, and Plantronics has only a few.`
`02:48.21`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Which part is bad, the tripe or the kraut?`
`02:48.57`	`Carlos_PHX`	`For my own use i have a CS70. On the Linksys the remote lifter works without throwing the handset across the room.`
`02:49.10`	`jaytee`	`Carlos_PHX, yeah, I ran a large Nortel Meridian switch, 3 AIX RS/6000 boxes and two NT servers to run 200 ACD agents and 6 queues.`
`02:49.36`	`jaytee`	`it was all tdm`
`02:49.46`	`Carlos_PHX`	`AIX...shudders`
`02:50.24`	`jaytee`	`all digital M2616 handsets with Plantronics headphones.`
`02:51.50`	`jaytee`	`AIX, exactly. I'd rather be chained to an Asterisk server running on BSD than the CTI apps that ran on that. Plus the linking software running on the Nortel was "buggy" to be polite and the finger pointing between the CTI vendor and the IBM support team was neverending.`
`02:55.43`	`drmessano`	`I'd rather be running AsteriskWin32 on Windows 2000 in a VM with BeOS as the host OS on a dual 64 bit quad core running as a single 32 bit core`
`02:56.19`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Or Trixbox.`
`02:56.23`	`Carlos_PHX`	`It could be that bad.`
`02:56.43`	`Carlos_PHX`	`thinks he just won.`
`02:57.09`	`drmessano`	`Trixbox 3.0, because it's only gonna get worse`
`02:57.55`	`Carlos_PHX`	`So the trunk setup lets you name the context for incoming trunks. But doesn't tell you what it should be, and there's no clear way to relate it to a call path.`
`02:58.07`	`jaytee`	`I'd rather try running Trixbox on a cluster of Sony PS3's running a customized kernel of Parallel Knoppix.`
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`02:59.24`	`joobie`	`jaytee using raid5 across usbsticks?`
`02:59.39`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Some of those things are fast.`
`02:59.47`	`jaytee`	`OMG! Ladies and Gentlemen!!! We have a winner!!!!`
`02:59.52`	`trnzmeta`	`ok just purchased 5 linksys942... lets hope they do better than snom`
`02:59.52`	`drmessano`	`RAID5 is dead anyway`
`03:00.13`	`joobie`	`raid 5 aint dead`
`03:00.17`	`jblack`	`the report on the death of raid5 is premature.`
`03:00.21`	`drmessano`	`lol`
`03:00.37`	`drmessano`	`RAID5 is dead`
`03:00.46`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Long live RAID5`
`03:00.47`	`jaytee`	`what's the raid that just mirrored striped volumes?`
`03:00.58`	`jaytee`	`I fergit`
`03:01.02`	`Carlos_PHX`	`0+1?`
`03:01.11`	`jaytee`	`sumthin like that`
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`03:01.31`	`jaytee`	`I like that kind of setup`
`03:01.34`	`Carlos_PHX`	`It's damn fast, relatively secure.`
`03:02.05`	`drmessano`	`If you're not migrating to RAID6, failure will be an option`
`03:02.07`	`jaytee`	`and doesn't have the overhead of having to do all that XOR checksum calcs.`
`03:02.26`	`Carlos_PHX`	`We use SANs for critical stuff and not worry about it.`
`03:02.29`	`jaytee`	`and eating storage capacity`
`03:02.38`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Storage is cheap`
`03:03.14`	`wonderworld`	`i get a "permission denied" error when trying to Originate a call thrugh the AMI, but i seem to have set all the available rights in manager.conf`
`03:04.03`	`joobie`	`xor checksums are offset to the hardware controller - it's not that bad`
`03:04.07`	`jaytee`	`when you scale that big capacity cost per TB will drop, it's a given. It's always cheaper to buy in volume. Beer, wine or VOIP.`
`03:04.39`	`joobie`	`besides i think 0+1 performs less for read (if my memory serves me correct) in comarison to RAID5 in a general 4 disk config`
`03:04.50`	`joobie`	`as you put more disks in 0+1 shoots ahead..`
`03:05.07`	`joobie`	`lol jaytee:P`
`03:05.09`	`Carlos_PHX`	`The big overhead on 5 is the reads`
`03:05.24`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Er, writes`
`03:05.30`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Too much multi-tasking`
`03:05.30`	`jaytee`	`overhead on reads?`
`03:05.34`	`jaytee`	`ok, good`
`03:05.42`	`jaytee`	`had me going wtf there for a sec`
`03:05.49`	`Carlos_PHX`	`is low on food and scotch.`
`03:06.00`	`jaytee`	`I actually need coffee`
`03:06.15`	`jaytee`	`and it's 10pm where I am`
`03:06.18`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Yeah, but it's too late for that. Time for food, movie, drink.`
`03:06.26`	`Carlos_PHX`	`I hate letting Trixbox beat me,but`
`03:06.35`	`Carlos_PHX`	`8pm here`
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`03:09.26`	`jaytee`	`there's some lame ass sci fi movie on at the moment I'm barely paying any attention to.`
`03:11.40`	`Carlos_PHX`	`The chick picked this: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0454848/`
`03:11.47`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Any comments/review?`
`03:13.32`	`drmessano`	`Inside man?`
`03:13.37`	`drmessano`	`Sounds like gay porn`
`03:13.47`	`Carlos_PHX`	`ROFL`
`03:13.53`	`Carlos_PHX`	`I was hoping`
`03:14.02`	`drmessano`	`.. that it was?`
`03:14.06`	`drmessano`	`I C`
`03:14.07`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Of course.`
`03:15.41`	`Carlos_PHX`	`buggers off to drink scotch and eat, while muttering curses at Trixbox`
`03:16.49`	`wonderworld`	`i get a "permission denied" error when trying to Originate a call thrugh the AMI, but i seem to have set all the available rights in manager.conf`
`03:17.31`	`tmiw_`	`hm, I wonder if it'd be cheaper to use multiple providers for inbound (one for 1-800 and one for the local voice and fax numbers)`
`03:17.37`	`tmiw_`	`vs one provider for all three`
`03:17.38`	`tmiw_`	`looks`
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`03:19.03`	`jameswf`	`just scared some homeless people shitless... I went over to the cemetary across the road to look for someone coming back there was a group coming through the bushes and came staring down my .40cal :))`
`03:20.09`	`jaytee`	`makes mental note; self! Never breakdown in the middle of the night in jameswf's neighborhood`
`03:20.44`	`jameswf`	`.40cal because you aint gonna drop a crackhead with a 9mm`
`03:21.27`	`ACK-NAK`	`Can someone offer insight? I'm dialing a sip URL (Talkshoe), and trying to send it DTMF tones to specify the conference (Voip Users Group). It used to work perfectly with: exten => ${VOIPCONF},n,Dial(SIP/1@66.212.134.192,60,D(${TALKSHOECODE}#))`
`03:21.48`	`ACK-NAK`	`Now Talkshoe appears to play 'ringing' through the DTMF tones. The CLI shows 'answered', and the tones are played, but It is only when the call is bridged that the called party plays the 'welcome' greeting, and begins listening for tones`
`03:22.05`	`ACK-NAK`	`As evidenced by: the following rings like TEN times before the called party plays 'welcome' and begins accepting tones ${VOIPCONF},n,Dial(SIP/1@66.212.134.192,60,D(wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww${TALKSHOECODE}#))`
`03:22.13`	`ACK-NAK`	`Whereas: the following rings once and plays 'welcome' ${VOIPCONF},n,Dial(SIP/1@66.212.134.192,60,D(${TALKSHOECODE}#))`
`03:22.48`	`jameswf`	`noop(${TALKSHOECODE})`
`03:23.02`	`ACK-NAK`	`22622`
`03:23.41`	`jameswf`	`is that what it is or what it is suppose to be`
`03:23.52`	`ACK-NAK`	`That's what it resolves to`
`03:24.04`	`jameswf`	`are you sure`
`03:24.54`	`ACK-NAK`	`-- Sending DTMF 'wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww22622#' to the called party`
`03:25.44`	`ACK-NAK`	`So it's not a 'delay' issue--it's specifically waiting til the call is bridged to begin`
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`03:37.59`	`jaytee`	`wow, nothing could convince any swing voters leaning Obama to switch to McCain than watching the Rev. Al Sharpton on CNN with D.L. Hughley`
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`04:32.09`	`JohnnyScarlet`	`Quick question. I've been having issues with Broadvoice connecting, could my timeout issue be a cause of my broadvoice accoutn not a BYOD account?`
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`04:42.08`	`JohnnyScarlet`	`guys? can NOT having a BYOD broadvoice account be causing my timeout issues on my box?`
`04:46.16`	`carrar`	`timeout issues?`
`04:46.32`	`carrar`	`Whats timing out?`
`04:47.48`	`JohnnyScarlet`	`when i run asterisk i see in the console, something similar to: sip.broadvoice.com:timeout. followed by some network trsnmit issues. but I followed all the broadvoice insturctions as well as the NAT file that TK D-fender provided`
`04:50.08`	`JohnnyScarlet`	`i'm not at the system now. won't be until monday. but i'm tryingt o find information about this. I've had it all week. it's my first attempt at using Asterisk.`
`04:51.10`	`JohnnyScarlet`	`i logged into the Broadvoice account and noticed there is an option for a BYOD plan.`
`04:55.34`	`carrar`	`no idea what BYOD is`
`04:56.08`	`carrar`	`try qualify=20000 is the broadvoice sip config`
`04:56.17`	`carrar`	`doubt that will make any difference`
`04:56.30`	`carrar`	`as the nat=1 should have worked for timeouts`
`04:59.08`	`carrar`	`pastebin your sip config`
`05:00.32`	`carrar`	`!pastebin`
`05:00.35`	`carrar`	`~pastebin`
`05:00.36`	`jbot`	`[~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste`
`05:13.15`	`JohnnyScarlet`	`carrar i will wil i'm bac at the server tommorow. i have no access from home.`
`05:13.38`	`JohnnyScarlet`	`what is the qualify=20000 option telling our asterisk server?`
`05:13.49`	`JohnnyScarlet`	`nat=1 means NAT=yes correct?`
`05:13.56`	`JohnnyScarlet`	`i'm running 1.6`
`05:15.34`	`carrar`	`qualify sends a OPTIONS messages`
`05:15.45`	`carrar`	`what whatever intervale you specify`
`05:16.11`	`carrar`	`in milliseconds`
`05:16.32`	`carrar`	`might want to read through your original sip.conf file`
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`05:17.40`	`carrar`	`and if it doesn't get a response it marks the sip peer unreachable`
`05:18.26`	`carrar`	`might be in the Asterisk book by orielly that you need to read`
`05:18.39`	`carrar`	`~asterisk`
`05:18.40`	`jbot`	`i guess asterisk is a free PBX, or #asterisk on irc.freenode.net, or http://www.asterisk.org, or just like a mini-mall`
`05:19.04`	`carrar`	`not what the url is for the book`
`05:19.16`	`drmessano`	`~book`
`05:19.17`	`jbot`	`rumour has it, book is Asterisk: The Future of Telephony 2nd Edition (ISBN 0-596-51048-9) --- Order yours at http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/9780596510480/ --- Free downloadable PDF http://downloads.oreilly.com/books/9780596510480.pdf --- HTML at http://tfot.leifmadsen.com or see ~buybook`
`05:21.31`	`carrar`	`~book`
`05:21.32`	`jbot`	`from memory, book is Asterisk: The Future of Telephony 2nd Edition (ISBN 0-596-51048-9) --- Order yours at http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/9780596510480/ --- Free downloadable PDF http://downloads.oreilly.com/books/9780596510480.pdf --- HTML at http://tfot.leifmadsen.com or see ~buybook`
`05:21.40`	`carrar`	`there we go`
`05:21.45`	`carrar`	`~centos`
`05:21.46`	`jbot`	`[centos] an Enterprise-class Linux Distribution derived from sources freely provided to the public by a prominent North American Enterprise Linux vendor. Check it out at http://www.centos.org/projects/centos, or http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+Linux+Centos`
`05:23.11`	`carrar`	`oh, hey drmessano`
`05:23.16`	`carrar`	`heh`
`05:23.23`	`carrar`	`I was back scrolling while you did that`
`05:23.24`	`carrar`	`heh`
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`05:28.02`	`carrar`	`hi tk`
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`05:50.26`	`giovani`	`I'm doing a gotoif based on the caller id matching a specific string, and it seems the first second of playback in the next line is always cut off ... no matter what I do, I've added in a wait time, etc before playback, same problem -- the rest of the file plays fine, any suggestions on where I'm going wrong?`
`05:51.22`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`giovani: Pastebin it all`
`05:51.24`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`~pb`
`05:51.24`	`jbot`	`[~pb] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste`
`05:51.26`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`^^^^^^^^^`
`05:51.35`	`giovani`	`doing so as we speak`
`05:52.05`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`giovani: This can happen if you haven't already answered the line first BTW..`
`05:52.31`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`giovani: If this is in response to an incoming call you haven't officially answered, then you should do a wait(1) after an explicit Answer`
`05:52.33`	`giovani`	`[TK]D-Fender: face-palm -- yep, I was doing an answer after the gotoif (in a part that was being skipped)`
`05:53.05`	`giovani`	`should just put the answer before the gotoif I suppose, thanks much :)`
`05:53.07`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`giovani: This can be a race condition of setting up of RTP, etc`
`05:53.13`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`giovani: np`
`05:53.30`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`giovani: Try to do it as soon as you can before playing audio.`
`05:53.59`	`giovani`	`as in, right before playing audio, or as in, early in the extension instructions?`
`05:54.15`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`giovani: latter`
`05:54.20`	`giovani`	`ok, gotcha`
`05:54.26`	`giovani`	`what's the reason for that?`
`05:54.31`	`giovani`	`(to have it early)`
`05:54.35`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`giovani: Basically if you put off answering, the other side might abort.`
`05:55.28`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`giovani: Lets say they call you on 20s timeout to answer. You take the call, and pass progress back as ringing due to ringing an "internal" device to seem "seamless". Because of the added delay, the calling side drops.`
`05:55.36`	`giovani`	`works perfectly -- got my own (not really) ANAC now :)`
`05:55.36`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`giovani: Benifit is he didn't get billed.`
`05:56.02`	`giovani`	`right, that makes sense`
`05:56.11`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`giovani: Then agqain, if you answered right away and called, it would be inband progress, and would sound the same to him throught it'd look answered (because technically it is)`
`05:56.23`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`giovani: I prefer not losing my called`
`05:56.26`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`caller*`
`05:56.53`	`giovani`	`ANI-providing providers rock :)`
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`06:01.21`	`carrar`	`never settle for less`
`06:01.43`	`giovani`	`there aren't many available to consumers`
`06:02.02`	`carrar`	`never had one that didn't provide caller id name and number`
`06:02.16`	`giovani`	`no, not CID/CPN`
`06:02.17`	`giovani`	`ANI`
`06:02.34`	`carrar`	`caller id number is ANI`
`06:03.05`	`giovani`	`ANI is passed when caller id number is 'blocked'`
`06:03.10`	`giovani`	`unless your terms are different than mien`
`06:03.13`	`giovani`	`mine*`
`06:03.42`	`giovani`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_Number_Identification`
`06:03.44`	`carrar`	`check your p-asserted-identity or diversion header?`
`06:04.30`	`carrar`	`use pri`
`06:04.31`	`giovani`	`carrar: right, only when the provider supplies it, which, as I said, most consumer-available ones don't`
`06:04.31`	`giovani`	`that's all`
`06:04.31`	`carrar`	`if they want to block that then you are block`
`06:04.31`	`carrar`	`end of story`
`06:04.33`	`giovani`	`uh ...`
`06:04.36`	`carrar`	`thats still 'caller id name', just restricted is all`
`06:04.46`	`carrar`	`err number`
`06:05.00`	`giovani`	`when the number is restricted, there is no CPN/CID Number`
`06:05.04`	`giovani`	`it isn't transmitted afaik`
`06:05.13`	`giovani`	`if your provider passes ANI in PAID, then that's what it does`
`06:05.14`	`carrar`	`and?`
`06:05.22`	`giovani`	`but that doesn't make ANI = CPN/CID`
`06:05.51`	`carrar`	`someone wants to block it, you will never get it`
`06:06.18`	`carrar`	`set it to call zeros`
`06:06.26`	`giovani`	`unless they've blocked ANI transmission -- which, I'd presume without owning your own SS7 switch, isn't possible on the PSTN`
`06:07.10`	`carrar`	`set your ani to whatever you want with pstn pri`
`06:08.27`	`giovani`	`that's not my understanding, but, ok`
`06:09.22`	`carrar`	`get one and try it`
`06:09.35`	`carrar`	`works great`
`06:09.53`	`giovani`	`and how are you verifying what the ANI is then set to?`
`06:10.05`	`carrar`	`pri dump by the provider`
`06:10.49`	`giovani`	`ok`
`06:12.15`	`carrar`	`but it's much easier to just look at the zap channel code`
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`06:23.58`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`checkout time. Later all`
`06:25.07`	`carrar`	`w00t`
`06:25.41`	`carrar`	`giovani, also if you ngrep/tcpdump your sip packets you can see what you are sending your sip providers`
`06:26.01`	`carrar`	`(or recv)`
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`06:34.38`	`giovani`	`carrar: right, none of my consumer providers are sending ANI in PAID or anywhere else`
`06:36.36`	`ManxPower`	`IIRC Teliax will send out CID Name, I have no idea about ANI`
`06:37.08`	`giovani`	`uh`
`06:37.13`	`giovani`	`send CID name to where?`
`06:37.20`	`giovani`	`CID name isn't transmitted with the call on PSTN`
`06:37.26`	`giovani`	`it's pulled out of a db on the receiving end`
`06:37.30`	`ManxPower`	`Um, blocked Callerid is transmitted over the ss7 network, the blockage is by the terminating telco.,`
`06:37.47`	`giovani`	`yes, I know`
`06:38.05`	`ManxPower`	`giovani: Sorry, not Teliax. Vitelity. The will update the name in the telco databases assocciated with your number from them`
`06:38.05`	`giovani`	`hence the use of a provider that passes the ANI along when the CPN/CID is "blocked"`
`06:38.18`	`giovani`	`ManxPower: oh yeah, upon request, it's not "sent with the call" though`
`06:38.29`	`ManxPower`	`giovani: never is sent"with the call"`
`06:38.29`	`giovani`	`I've used vitelity for that exact purpose -- very nice`
`06:38.38`	`giovani`	`that's what I said ...`
`06:38.40`	`giovani`	`heh`
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`06:56.36`	`SQLDarkly`	`How can I setup a conference where anyone can hit a key lets say # for the sake of something and enter the admin key to become the marked user or the leader without having them dial a different conference number or extension`
`06:58.11`	`Maliuta`	`are all options on the board?`
`06:58.24`	`SQLDarkly`	`ciMps`
`06:58.46`	`Maliuta`	`you _could_ hack the meetme app :)`
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`06:59.18`	`SQLDarkly`	`im a good with web technology not C lol`
`06:59.34`	`zr0`	`is there a softphone that doesn't suck?`
`06:59.42`	`SQLDarkly`	`I kind of understand whats going on but not enough to recompile`
`07:00.11`	`Maliuta`	`~softphone`
`07:00.12`	`jbot`	`[~softphone] A soft-phone is a program that lets your computer use a compatible audio interface (usually a speaker&mic, or headset), and optionally a webcam, to place VoIP calls with a given protocol (SIP/IAX/H.323/MGCP/etc). For links enter ~zoiper , ~xlite , ~twinkle , ~bria , ~eyebeam , ~ekiga`
`07:00.25`	`Maliuta`	`and they all suck`
`07:00.43`	`zr0`	`fucktastic`
`07:00.44`	`Maliuta`	`zoiper is the least sucky I have tried`
`07:01.01`	`Maliuta`	`still sucks donkeys nuts though`
`07:01.15`	`Maliuta`	`not through a hose like ekiga`
`07:02.23`	`zr0`	`i just don't wanna buy a phone`
`07:03.10`	`Maliuta`	`I wanna buy more phones ... just can't afford 'em`
`07:03.41`	`Maliuta`	`you could buy an ata and use your existing pstn phone`
`07:03.57`	`zr0`	`don't have any pstn phone`
`07:04.29`	`Maliuta`	`softphones suck a little less if you use an external dsp ... like a usb headset`
`07:04.41`	`zr0`	`i have an e71, but i don't want to have it connected to the wifi constantly -- drains the battery too fast`
`07:05.15`	`Maliuta`	`this is for home?`
`07:05.17`	`zr0`	`oh i've got a nice mic for a softphone, no need for a headset`
`07:05.26`	`zr0`	`yeah`
`07:05.41`	`Maliuta`	`buy a second hand phone off of ebay`
`07:05.52`	`Maliuta`	`should come out cheap enough`
`07:06.38`	`zr0`	`are voip phones with a builtin wifi interface still way expensive?`
`07:06.42`	`giovani`	`zr0: esternal dsp, as Maliuta was suggesting, allows you to ring speakers separately from using the headset to talk -- handy`
`07:06.46`	`Maliuta`	`having the dsp in the case (onboard or pci) creates way more noise in the line, regardless of the mic quality`
`07:07.02`	`giovani`	`zr0: wifi phones suck battery like hell, don't use them`
`07:07.06`	`giovani`	`DECT 6.0 for life!`
`07:07.09`	`Maliuta`	`I wouldn't buy one with a wifi`
`07:07.17`	`giovani`	`zr0: check out the snom m3`
`07:07.18`	`carrar`	`they work fine`
`07:07.25`	`carrar`	`snom m3 sucks`
`07:07.26`	`carrar`	`I had one`
`07:07.27`	`giovani`	`$160 online`
`07:07.33`	`carrar`	`sent it back`
`07:07.35`	`giovani`	`carrar: what's wrong with it?`
`07:07.39`	`carrar`	`didn't work`
`07:07.47`	`zr0`	`~dect`
`07:07.47`	`jbot`	`Digital European Cordless Telecommunications (telecommunication) [source: V.E.R.A.]`
`07:07.48`	`giovani`	`just, didn't power on?`
`07:07.48`	`carrar`	`felt like crap also`
`07:07.49`	`Maliuta`	`second hand cisco 79X0's should be cheap enough`
`07:08.04`	`carrar`	`linksys wifi phone is better then s nom`
`07:08.06`	`giovani`	`zr0: "DECT 6.0" runs on the 1.9GHz band here in the US`
`07:08.14`	`carrar`	`not the best, but at least it works`
`07:08.16`	`giovani`	`so, you don't get 2.4 GHz interference problems`
`07:08.20`	`giovani`	`carrar: 2.4 is unusable`
`07:08.33`	`giovani`	`and wifi fails at handoff to different aps for voip`
`07:08.38`	`giovani`	`DECT does this very very well`
`07:08.41`	`carrar`	`cisco is a nice phone, haven't tried it yet with *`
`07:08.49`	`carrar`	`wifi that is`
`07:08.51`	`ManxPower`	`So none of the 2.4 Ghz interference problems, but all of the 2.4 Ghz propagation problems.`
`07:09.06`	`giovani`	`ManxPower: 1.9 is better than 2.4 with a lot of materials`
`07:09.34`	`carrar`	`Aastra makes a wireles phone that works with their deskphone`
`07:09.36`	`ManxPower`	`The one DECT 6.0 phone I used sucked so bad I had to return it. Could not get more than about 100ft from the base.`
`07:09.41`	`giovani`	`your options are a) 2.4, a completely overcrowded band, with wifi, which is totally not designed for voip or handoff, or b) a nearly unused band with dect that's designed for enterprise handoff`
`07:10.01`	`giovani`	`ManxPower: obviously it depends on the specific base and handset`
`07:10.05`	`ManxPower`	`2.4 Ghz is not crowded where I live.`
`07:10.05`	`zr0`	`~handoff`
`07:10.19`	`giovani`	`zr0: "handoff" meaning, moving from one base to another`
`07:10.20`	`ManxPower`	`I'd love t (00Mhz DSS phone, but they are virtually impossible to find.`
`07:10.23`	`giovani`	`if you have a large corporate building`
`07:10.26`	`ManxPower`	`900Mhz that is`
`07:10.29`	`giovani`	`you may have 5-10 DECT bases`
`07:10.34`	`giovani`	`or 5-10 wifi APs`
`07:10.38`	`zr0`	`ah. gottcha. this would be for home.`
`07:10.40`	`giovani`	`handoff with wifi is a mess`
`07:10.49`	`zr0`	`sure.`
`07:10.50`	`giovani`	`zr0: well, I have 3 APs athome :)`
`07:10.53`	`giovani`	`so it would matter to me`
`07:10.57`	`giovani`	`and I live in Manhattan`
`07:11.06`	`giovani`	`I'm in view of 250+ wifi networks`
`07:11.10`	`giovani`	`2.4 is screwed here`
`07:11.15`	`zr0`	`and you have a place big enough for 3 aps?`
`07:11.16`	`carrar`	`I can see about 40`
`07:11.17`	`ManxPower`	`I live on a mountain surrounded by tomato farms.`
`07:11.22`	`carrar`	`I'm downtown`
`07:11.25`	`giovani`	`zr0: yeah, they're all turned down low-power though`
`07:11.37`	`Maliuta`	`giovani: turn your place into a faraday cage`
`07:11.40`	`giovani`	`carrar: downtown manhattan?`
`07:11.57`	`carrar`	`Bellevue, WA`
`07:12.00`	`giovani`	`Maliuta: yep ... that's cheap :)`
`07:12.02`	`carrar`	`(Seattle)`
`07:12.05`	`giovani`	`gotcha`
`07:12.11`	`giovani`	`yeah, Manhattan is kind of 2.4 GHz hell`
`07:12.17`	`Maliuta`	`passes giovani the rolls of copper and a hacked up power cord`
`07:12.34`	`ManxPower`	`Manhattan is several kinds of hell 8-\|`
`07:12.38`	`giovani`	`haha`
`07:12.40`	`carrar`	`I use 90 degree beams in my house`
`07:13.07`	`zr0`	`downtown manhattan sounds nice`
`07:13.08`	`carrar`	`and the bleed over works fine out in the yard`
`07:15.28`	`giovani`	`we have a bunch of these at work: http://www.aastra.com/cps/rde/xchg/SID-3D8CCB6A-6CACCDBB/04/hs.xsl/15162.htm`
`07:15.37`	`giovani`	`considering replacing my snom m3 DECT 6.0 base for one of those at home`
`07:16.58`	`carrar`	`Aasta makes the 480i CT`
`07:17.12`	`carrar`	`dedicated wireless phone on thier deskphone`
`07:17.24`	`carrar`	`have one here I still need to test`
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`07:18.00`	`zr0`	`i've heard that the aasta 480i is where it's at`
`07:18.07`	`zr0`	`but i don't wanna drop that kind of cash`
`07:18.25`	`giovani`	`heh`
`07:18.31`	`HeMan`	`Hi! Does call-limit and busy-level do anything with a sip trunk to our phone company?`
`07:18.31`	`carrar`	`just use a ATA with a typical home wireless phone`
`07:18.36`	`carrar`	`cheap`
`07:19.16`	`HeMan`	`I mean, if I put call-limit and busy-level in [general], should I put any explicit rule on our [supplier]-part?`
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`07:19.58`	`carrar`	`anything under general becomes youre defaults`
`07:20.47`	`carrar`	`Heman, so no`
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`07:22.20`	`HeMan`	`yes I know that it's the defaults but if we have 10 phones, do we need to have other values on call-limit or busy-level on the [supplier]-part to allow 10 concurrent calls?`
`07:23.20`	`carrar`	`call-limit is per registered device`
`07:23.26`	`carrar`	`each sip phone can do 10 calls`
`07:23.47`	`carrar`	`10 concurrent calls`
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`07:23.58`	`carrar`	`not 10 for everything in the file`
`07:24.05`	`HeMan`	`I like to have call-limit=2 and busy-level=1 on [general]`
`07:24.24`	`HeMan`	`so that I don't n need to put that on every phone`
`07:24.40`	`carrar`	`so put that in general`
`07:24.40`	`HeMan`	`but does that limit the number of calls to our sip supplier?`
`07:24.45`	`carrar`	`yes`
`07:24.47`	`carrar`	`unless`
`07:24.56`	`carrar`	`in the sip supplie part you put call-limit=20`
`07:25.14`	`carrar`	`everyone else will fall back to the default`
`07:25.37`	`zr0`	`hmm. zoiper doesn't look as bad as i thought it would..`
`07:25.55`	`HeMan`	`what is the default, ie no call-limit or busy-level supplied?`
`07:26.24`	`HeMan`	`we have it under every [phone] now but I like to clean the sip.conf`
`07:28.57`	`HeMan`	`looking in the source code it looks like 0 is the default so I set our [provider] to that`
`07:29.37`	`HeMan`	`hmm, is busy-level removed?`
`07:30.05`	`HeMan`	`is there any conf file tester for asterisk? like testparm for samba`
`07:31.14`	`ManxPower`	`HeMan: since asterisk ignores unknown options in config files.....`
`07:31.24`	`SQLDarkly`	`WHen gathering up to 13 digits from a user would it be more correct to use GET DATA over Read?`
`07:33.01`	`SQLDarkly`	`nevermind got it. ;)`
`07:35.08`	`carrar`	`SQLDarkly, what did you sue?`
`07:35.09`	`carrar`	`use`
`07:35.11`	`carrar`	`sorry`
`07:35.34`	`SQLDarkly`	`since i am working with phpagi I went with GET DATA`
`07:35.40`	`carrar`	`Heman, watch the output of your console during "dialplan reload"`
`07:36.01`	`carrar`	`and your asterisk log file`
`07:36.16`	`carrar`	`assuming your using that`
`07:36.21`	`SQLDarkly`	`worked as expected. Read seemed sluggish for some reason`
`07:36.36`	`carrar`	`I made a read back app`
`07:36.38`	`HeMan`	`I like to see what values every config option got, either by default or by the explicits I set in the config files`
`07:36.44`	`carrar`	`is that what you are trying to do SQL?`
`07:36.44`	`HeMan`	`like testparm for samba does`
`07:37.12`	`carrar`	`I used READ`
`07:37.24`	`carrar`	`Read(TNUMBERS\|beep\|10)`
`07:37.25`	`SQLDarkly`	`No I am trying to gather a conference number with or without the pin right off the bat so there is no need to a secondary PIN`
`07:37.26`	`carrar`	`Read(TNUMBERS\|beep\|13)`
`07:37.29`	`carrar`	`in your case`
`07:38.09`	`SQLDarkly`	`Have to get something functional up for my company while they are beating me to make an AJAX conferencing app for *`
`07:38.15`	`carrar`	`HeMan, there are not extenson.conf sanity check apps that I know of`
`07:38.15`	`SQLDarkly`	`Fun project not fun deadlines ;)`
`07:38.18`	`carrar`	`not=no`
`07:38.24`	`carrar`	`heh`
`07:38.27`	`carrar`	`deadlines`
`07:38.29`	`carrar`	`suck`
`07:38.40`	`carrar`	`triple your deadlines`
`07:38.56`	`SQLDarkly`	`yeah i should be sleeping I have to be up for work in 4 hours`
`07:39.08`	`carrar`	`isn't heroin great?`
`07:39.10`	`carrar`	`heh`
`07:39.18`	`carrar`	`J/K!!!!!`
`07:39.36`	`SQLDarkly`	`Slapped together this dialplan real fast I hope it works in the morning lol i am quite tired`
`07:39.55`	`SQLDarkly`	`ALthough if you want to take a look at it I wouldnt mind ...`
`07:40.23`	`HeMan`	`how can I find out what the defaults for every option is?`
`07:40.30`	`carrar`	`~binpaste`
`07:40.33`	`HeMan`	`is looking in the source the only option?`
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`07:40.38`	`carrar`	`err`
`07:40.43`	`carrar`	`~pastebin`
`07:40.44`	`jbot`	`[~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste`
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`07:41.37`	`carrar`	`Heman, it's in the source`
`07:41.47`	`carrar`	`usually defined`
`07:41.48`	`SQLDarkly`	`There it is in your PM`
`07:58.23`	`HeMan`	`odd, if I put call-limit=2 in [general] my [phone] does have call-limit=0 when I do a sip show user phone`
`08:01.38`	`HeMan`	`does a "registry =>" end the [general] part?`
`08:02.41`	`tzafrir_laptop`	`no . It can be anywhere in the general part`
`08:05.17`	`carrar`	`hi!!`
`08:05.46`	`carrar`	`general are the defaults that apply to everything that doesn't have a 'override'`
`08:06.01`	`carrar`	`use sparenly`
`08:08.09`	`HeMan`	`is it limitonpeer that makes to not "propaget" from [general] to [phone]?`
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`08:22.03`	`HeMan`	`does include => work in sip.conf?`
`08:23.57`	`phpboy`	`yes`
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`08:25.46`	`BigLuks`	`hi all`
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`08:26.09`	`BigLuks`	`any one can help me wit a codec problem while using ekiga as asterisk client?`
`08:26.22`	`BigLuks`	`it cant initialise gsm`
`08:26.49`	`BigLuks`	`everytime i want to call my mate it just show gsm / hides it and show it`
`08:26.52`	`BigLuks`	`all the time`
`08:27.04`	`BigLuks`	`but i can call his answer machine if he is offline`
`08:28.02`	`HeMan`	`phpboy: I created a [phones] with some configuration options but "include => phones" didn't add those option to that phone`
`08:28.31`	`HeMan`	`phpboy: is it any other syntax in sip.conf for including other contexts?`
`08:30.10`	`HeMan`	`hmm, not context but other [section]`
`08:33.41`	`yang`	`BigLuks: irc.gimp.org #ekiga`
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`08:47.36`	`HeMan`	`is people using extensions.ael?`
`08:47.51`	`HeMan`	`or is extensions.conf the main way?`
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`09:06.51`	`hi365`	`tzafrir_laptop: ping. you around yet?`
`09:07.10`	`tzafrir_laptop`	`hi365, yes`
`09:08.05`	`hi365`	`tzafrir_laptop: morning! a quick linux question: im dreaming of getting my polycoms to work in hebrew. im on windows. what do i have to do to edit the dictonary files to be sure that the system (linux) understands that its hebrew?`
`09:08.27`	`hi365`	`i tried editing the file in pspad/winscp/nano. however when i cat the file i dont see hebrew`
`09:09.11`	`tzafrir_laptop`	`hi365, the program that displays the fies there has to support displaying Hebrew characters`
`09:09.25`	`tzafrir_laptop`	`My first shot would be to use a UTF-encoded page`
`09:10.22`	`hi365`	`hmm, i set putty to utf-8 and now cat is showing hebrew. does that mean that windows in 'translating' the giberish or is it 'real'ly in hebrew?`
`09:10.40`	`tzafrir_laptop`	`Make sure your locale is a UTF-8 one . what is the output of: locale \| grep LC_CTYPE`
`09:10.56`	`hi365`	`LC_CTYPE="en_US.UTF-8"`
`09:11.03`	`tzafrir_laptop`	`so it's ok`
`09:11.25`	`hi365`	`cool. that means that its really showing utf8 hebrew then?`
`09:11.36`	`tzafrir_laptop`	`now will that poor display in those phones understand UTF-8?`
`09:12.51`	`hi365`	`well i added a hebrew font, and maped it to U0590_U05ff, so I hope it will figure that one out`
`09:13.00`	`hi365`	`even if its not right to left`
`09:14.36`	`hi365`	`ive got it reading my dictonary file, so now all i need is for it to get the right font`
`09:17.23`	`tzafrir_laptop`	`what charset does it use? UTF-8? UTF-16?`
`09:17.33`	`hi365`	`thinks utf8`
`09:18.09`	`hi365`	`Change the strings making sure to encode the XML file in UTF-8 but also`
`09:18.09`	`hi365`	`ensuring the UTF-8 characters chosen are within the Unicode character`
`09:18.09`	`hi365`	`ranges indicated in the tables below.`
`09:19.04`	`hi365`	`is hebrew in this range? U+4E00 - U+9FFF`
`09:19.35`	`hi365`	`of course not. stupid question`
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`09:22.08`	`hi365`	`hmm, seems like it might be out of range...`
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`09:37.34`	`hi365`	`tzafrir_laptop: im not sure my font id good. any idea hwere i can get "a Microsoft .fnt or .fon file format" in hebrew?`
`09:38.12`	`tzafrir_laptop`	`This smells like UTF-16`
`09:38.48`	`tzafrir_laptop`	`if at all`
`09:38.59`	`tzafrir_laptop`	`is there any definition of "codepage" anywhere?`
`09:39.12`	`tzafrir_laptop`	`"fon" or "fnt" are raster fonts, IIRC`
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`09:55.30`	`Mimmus`	`good morning, are there differences in pattern matching between Asterisk 1.2 and 1.4?`
`09:56.44`	`Mimmus`	`_s-. doesn't match anymore with s-`
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`10:05.53`	`HeMan`	`How can I make the pattern match a + in the beginning?`
`10:06.02`	`HeMan`	`_X! doesn't match it`
`10:07.48`	`tzafrir_laptop`	`HeMan, is the '+' actually dialed?`
`10:07.57`	`HeMan`	`tzafrir_laptop: yes`
`10:08.01`	`tzafrir_laptop`	`X only matches digits`
`10:08.08`	`HeMan`	`just tried _.! and it matched`
`10:09.23`	`gambler1`	`HeMan: it's a very bad idea, please read the asterisk docs`
`10:10.00`	`gambler1`	`HeMan: what's the reason to have +? Do you have a Cisco box terminating the T1/E1 line?`
`10:10.08`	`HeMan`	`gambler1: just read it, how should I solv it?`
`10:10.40`	`HeMan`	`gambler1: in my phone-book in my Nokia N95 I like to store international number so it works everywhere in the world`
`10:11.00`	`HeMan`	`but it don't work when I use the stored number to call via our asterisk`
`10:12.20`	`HeMan`	`got it working! added a _+X! pattern`
`10:12.40`	`gambler1`	`hmmmmm, that didn't work for me`
`10:13.13`	`gambler1`	`but I have a cisco box before *`
`10:15.32`	`HeMan`	`our sip provider doesn't like the + so I had to do _+X!,0,Dial(SIP/00${EXTEN:1}@provider)`
`10:22.46`	`HeMan`	`is it better to use the 'i' priority or a catch all pattern?`
`10:24.08`	`HeMan`	`or both?`
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`10:36.55`	`Mimmus`	`but does "_s-." match "s-" ?`
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`10:37.30`	`johnnyoB`	`Hello`
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`10:39.35`	`HeMan`	`anyone using the Nokia N95 as client to asterisk? I get 'Got SIP response 400 "Bad Request"', but it works`
`10:39.38`	`HeMan`	`should I worry?`
`10:42.42`	`johnnyoB`	`no, but i am using N80i works fine`
`10:42.46`	`scruz`	`over what port does asterisk default for SIP?`
`10:43.01`	`johnnyoB`	`5060udp`
`10:43.07`	`scruz`	`thankee`
`10:44.00`	`HeMan`	`johnnyoB: you see the same messages?`
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`10:47.49`	`johnnyoB`	`I did not check yet hm`
`10:48.33`	`johnnyoB`	`Does anyone know if using asterisk realtime, (and also having peers in sip.conf),is there any way to decide which order should be taken if looking up peers`
`10:48.57`	`johnnyoB`	`for example, so asterisk first checks local sip.conf and afterwards if no match is found, it searches in mysql db?`
`10:49.44`	`johnnyoB`	`so it wont send out queries for each registration`
`10:50.05`	`johnnyoB`	`only if no match in sip.conf is found.`
`10:54.41`	`hi365`	`anyone know how to set indication of remote rining on a polycom650?`
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`10:55.17`	`djepo`	`Can I ask here a question about voip?`
`10:55.24`	`khronos`	`Sure.`
`10:55.59`	`hi365`	`you already did :)`
`10:56.39`	`djepo`	`ok, I want to use voip on my smartphone, I already registered a voipbuster account and tried to make it work with my HTC s710. I can call someone, the other one heres me, but I can't here the other person. Suggestions?`
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`10:59.05`	`HeMan`	`djepo: are you on a NAT'ed net?`
`10:59.35`	`djepo`	`yes, i am`
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`11:02.51`	`djepo`	`Do I have to forward ports?`
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`11:05.46`	`fcois93`	`hello all`
`11:06.33`	`fcois93`	`I need to know that if a fax call by g711, can asterisk convert the g711 to t38 ?`
`11:14.07`	`shazaum`	`maybe`
`11:14.32`	`shazaum`	`fcois93, using ATA?`
`11:15.41`	`fcois93`	`shazaum: yes using ATA !`
`11:18.14`	`shazaum`	`ATA exists in this option`
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`11:19.29`	`[gnubie]`	`brb`
`11:21.15`	`fcois93`	`shazaum: I don't understand ?`
`11:21.24`	`shazaum`	`me too`
`11:21.25`	`shazaum`	`:P`
`11:21.30`	`fcois93`	`shazaum: the option is in the ATA or in the asterisk ?`
`11:21.34`	`shazaum`	`ata`
`11:21.59`	`fcois93`	`shazaum: so, if I check one option, ATA speak t38 ?`
`11:22.22`	`shazaum`	`yes`
`11:22.48`	`shazaum`	`which ATA u r using?`
`11:23.05`	`fcois93`	`I use linksys`
`11:23.29`	`fcois93`	`shazaum: PAP2 linksys`
`11:23.39`	`shazaum`	`advanced search`
`11:23.46`	`shazaum`	`options`
`11:24.16`	`fcois93`	`shazaum: I will have a look for :-)`
`11:24.47`	`shazaum`	`ok`
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`11:26.38`	`shazaum`	`fcois93, algo que me hizo una coca-cola :P`
`11:28.26`	`fcois93`	`shazaum: ?`
`11:29.29`	`shazaum`	`im playing dude...`
`11:31.59`	`tzafrir_laptop`	`shazaum, hi`
`11:32.15`	`shazaum`	`tzafrir_laptop, yo`
`11:32.17`	`fcois93`	`shazaum: imagin that I don't have ATA with the checkbox T38... if I just have g711 ? asterisk can convert it to t38 ?`
`11:32.17`	`shazaum`	`:)`
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`11:32.29`	`shazaum`	`tzafrir_laptop, howdy`
`11:33.04`	`tzafrir_laptop`	`shazaum, what's up?`
`11:33.54`	`shazaum`	`tzafrir_laptop, im still waking :P`
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`11:35.00`	`fcois93`	`shazaum: imagin that I don't have ATA with the checkbox T38... if I just have g711 ? asterisk can convert it to t38 ? (sorry I had a connection problem...)`
`11:36.47`	`shazaum`	`fcois93, see, "advanced view"`
`11:37.26`	`shazaum`	`"audido configuration"`
`11:38.18`	`fcois93`	`shazaum: in the ATA? no I don't want to use ATA I really need to convert g711 to t38 with asterisk`
`11:39.30`	`shazaum`	`hm....`
`11:39.57`	`shazaum`	`but what is going to use instead of minutes?`
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`11:40.56`	`shazaum`	`lol`
`11:41.35`	`shazaum`	`s/minutes/ATA/`
`11:49.10`	`joobie`	`guys is there any way to test if an isp does qos for voip?`
`11:49.21`	`joobie`	`any sort of mechanism that can be used to check??`
`11:49.32`	`joobie`	`when i ring i dont have much luck finding out with the lvl 1 techs..`
`11:50.11`	`HeMan`	`joobie: we did traffic testing`
`11:50.32`	`HeMan`	`joobie: we called a few calls and did some massive downloading`
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`11:55.56`	`Maliuta`	`joobie: call them and ask`
`11:56.17`	`Daejeo`	`any have a nokia -n series cellphone?`
`11:56.43`	`HeMan`	`Daejeo: N95`
`11:56.57`	`Daejeo`	`wow! HeMan`
`11:57.07`	`Daejeo`	`can you access wifi?`
`11:57.11`	`HeMan`	`Daejeo: yes`
`11:57.32`	`mgdm`	`has an N95 and an N96`
`11:57.58`	`HeMan`	`mgdm: are you happy with any of them?`
`11:58.07`	`HeMan`	`I think my N95 is very buggy`
`11:58.22`	`HeMan`	`and a patchwork wrt menus`
`11:58.39`	`mgdm`	`I like them both`
`11:59.26`	`HeMan`	`mgdm: could you please go to www.stockholm.se with your N96`
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`11:59.52`	`HeMan`	`mgdm: it's an official site about Stockholm (in Sweden), but the N95 browser crashes`
`12:00.01`	`SparFux`	`Hi all!`
`12:00.48`	`SparFux`	`How can I use CAPI with mISDN V2`
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`12:05.29`	`casix`	`hello`
`12:06.27`	`casix`	`i've seen that asterisk make a dns query with host-channel.domain.com. Is that normal???`
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`12:24.18`	`joobie`	`Heman, ahh.. but there'sno way to like check`
`12:24.23`	`joobie`	`checking packet headers or something?`
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`12:24.51`	`HeMan`	`joobie: not that I know of, but I haven't looked at it that much`
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`12:25.38`	`HeMan`	`since we got a really good connection with our isp/sip-provider we just tested that all worked after they told us it should`
`12:26.11`	`Dovid`	`hi - would it be a bug if I have asterisk running I change the time zone on the server and my gotoif statements still respond to the old time`
`12:26.24`	`Dovid`	`does asterisk get the time/timezone on start and stick with that ?`
`12:27.19`	`HeMan`	`Dovid: yes, it get's the timezone at startup`
`12:28.13`	`Dovid`	`HeMan: and that would not be a bug ?`
`12:28.37`	`HeMan`	`Dovid: the timezone usually don't change`
`12:28.43`	`Dovid`	`u have a point there :)`
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`12:35.50`	`andyd`	`hi. I want to do an AEL check based onc aller ID. I can already do if ("${CALLERID(number)}" = "01611234567" ) but I want to say 'if caller id starts 0161. Can I do a regexp like conditional to match this ?`
`12:40.15`	`SparFux`	`What is the channel with the most features? CAPI, MISDN or LCR?`
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`12:44.39`	`ceegee`	`hello`
`12:47.40`	`casix`	`andyd: you can do somthing like ${VAR:-4} = "0161", or look here http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+Expressions to make regexps`
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`12:50.35`	`sdr_`	`i have troubles using zaptel/sangoma(wanpipe) i have zaptel/ztdummy loaded but can't load wanpipe - unknown symbols. Any directions?`
`12:51.31`	`sdr_`	`kernel 2.6.26 zaptel 1.4.11 wanpipe 3.3`
`12:51.59`	`sdr_`	`i got wanpipe: Unknown symbol zt_alarm_notify and such`
`12:53.52`	`sdr_`	`lsmod: http://sdr.pastebin.com/m63b60432`
`12:54.57`	`andyd`	`${VAR:4} was how I guessed it, but i need to change this on a production system and catch a plane in 30 mins ;-)`
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`13:05.30`	`mgdm`	`HeMan: The N96 one does too :)`
`13:05.49`	`HeMan`	`mgdm: crash? then I should update my case against Nokia`
`13:05.59`	`ceegee`	`I have a strange problem with dahdi. I compiled it under mandriva 2009.0 running kernel 2.6.27-desktop-0.rc8.2mnb. But the modules are installed to /lib/modules/2.6.27-0.rc8.2mnbcustom. If I try to modprobe it with full path, e.g. modprobe /lib/modules/2.6.27-0.rc8.2mnbcustom/dahdi/dahdi.ko it fails with: FATAL: Module /lib/modules/2.6.27_0.rc8.2mnbcustom/dahdi/dahdi.ko not found. the difference is 2.6.27-0 and 2.6.27_0`
`13:06.14`	`ceegee`	`I dont know where dahdi fetches this path values`
`13:06.17`	`HeMan`	`mgdm: you should really report _all_ errors that you find`
`13:06.32`	`tzafrir_laptop`	`sdr_, looks like the version of zaptel loaded is not the version with which your wanpipe was built`
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`13:06.39`	`tzafrir_laptop`	`you may need to unload it`
`13:07.10`	`mgdm`	`HeMan: I'll check it out this evening when I have more time`
`13:07.27`	`tzafrir_laptop`	`ceegee, dahdi, like zaptel, uses /lib/modules/$KERNEL_VERSION/build`
`13:07.43`	`tzafrir_laptop`	`that is normally a symlink to your kernel source directory`
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`13:08.34`	`ceegee`	`tzafrir_laptop: yes, and $KERNEL_VERSION should be uname -r, right?`
`13:08.53`	`ghostknife`	`I am trying to get call pickup to work. When I dial from one extension to another (say from 116 to 11), and I dial from a 3rd extension: **11`
`13:09.00`	`tzafrir_laptop`	`ceegee, right`
`13:09.03`	`ghostknife`	`I can pick up that call, and effectively have 116 and the 3rd connected`
`13:09.20`	`ghostknife`	`But when the call comes in on the Zap/g0 trunk, then I just get "that feature is not available on this line"`
`13:09.24`	`ghostknife`	`Any ideas?`
`13:09.37`	`ceegee`	`tzafrir_laptop: very strange`
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`13:10.54`	`xacatecas`	`hi, say I have extension 100 in context abc, as well is in def, and now inside context def I include => abc, which version of 100 would be used inside context def, or this order dependent?`
`13:13.27`	`boch`	`where should be the ActionID placed in the originate request? in which events i mean. I need to match Uniqueid with caller id in hangups`
`13:14.16`	`ghostknife`	`Call coming from outside (Zap/g0). Operator is ext 11. 3rd phone is ext 16. Trying to dial *8 from ext 16:`
`13:14.34`	`ghostknife`	`Call coming from outside (Zap/g0). Operator is ext 11. 3rd phone is ext 16. Trying to dial 8 from ext 16: http://rafb.net/p/goXgou64.html Trying to dial *11 from ext 16: http://rafb.net/p/sRFGrw71.html`
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`13:22.26`	`fcois93`	`hello all`
`13:22.52`	`xacatecas`	`either my connection is bust or this channel is the quietest I've ever seen it.`
`13:22.58`	`fcois93`	`if I receive a FAX in alaw/ulaw, is it possible to convert it to T38 and read the fax ?`
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`13:24.47`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`fcois93: You can't receive a fax as a codec`
`13:24.50`	`xacatecas`	`this is looking better. tcpdump at least reports traffic.`
`13:24.56`	`xacatecas`	`hi, say I have extension 100 in context abc, as well is in def, and now inside context def I include => abc, which version of 100 would be used inside context def, or this order dependent?`
`13:25.17`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`xacatecas: Include would override the internal I believe.`
`13:25.28`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`xacatecas: This is documented.`
`13:27.03`	`fcois93`	`in fact, imagin that I have a phone (SIP with code cg711) send fax to asterisk. how asterisk can convert it to t38?`
`13:27.25`	`HeMan`	`i try to figure out how static and writeprotected in extensions.conf work together`
`13:27.30`	`HeMan`	`any pointers?`
`13:27.35`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`fcois93: T.38 is done at the transmitting poitn.`
`13:27.59`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`HeMan: Best to ignore those.`
`13:28.11`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`HeMan: Noone I know has even made any use of them`
`13:28.14`	`fcois93`	`[TK]D-Fender: I don't understand`
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`13:28.45`	`HeMan`	`[TK]D-Fender: actually I was trying to document our extensions.conf, but should I just comment them then?`
`13:28.59`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`HeMan: more like "no comment"`
`13:29.39`	`HeMan`	`[TK]D-Fender: I meant put a ; in the beginning of the lines (;static=yes) so it just uses default option`
`13:29.53`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`HeMan: Leave them as-is`
`13:30.48`	`HeMan`	`[TK]D-Fender: I'm a big fan of lean configurationfiles, options that I can remove I do remove`
`13:31.07`	`HeMan`	`[TK]D-Fender: should I or shouldn't I remove those options then?`
`13:31.18`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`HeMan: Leave them in.`
`13:31.44`	`HeMan`	`[TK]D-Fender: what should I write in the documentation about them?`
`13:31.59`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`\hemto leve these as written.`
`13:32.06`	`HeMan`	`[TK]D-Fender: ie, what do they really do?`
`13:32.25`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`HeMan: Plenty of docs on this... go read 'em`
`13:32.39`	`wintix`	`i have problems linking my asterisk to fwdout. is there a way to debug what fails exactly? iax2 show registry only shows the connection as perceived <unregistered> and state timeout`
`13:32.50`	`HeMan`	`[TK]D-Fender: where? I haven't found it yet`
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`13:34.02`	`[gnubie]`	`waves`
`13:34.36`	`ghostknife`	`I don't get this`
`13:34.49`	`[gnubie]`	`which do you prefer if you are going to buy a pri card, digium te122 or sangoma a101?`
`13:34.52`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`fcois93: What ver of * BTW?`
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`13:35.06`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`[gnubie]: A101d`
`13:35.07`	`wintix`	`are there known problems usind fwdout behind nat? altough that shouldn't be the problem, zoiper works perfectly with my fwdout credentials`
`13:35.35`	`[gnubie]`	`[TK]D-Fender: thanks..`
`13:35.42`	`HeMan`	`[TK]D-Fender: the default extension.conf says http://asterisk.pastebin.com/d84664ba`
`13:36.39`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`HeMan: Sure looks like documentation to me.`
`13:36.41`	`HeMan`	`[TK]D-Fender: what does it do it static=yes?`
`13:37.02`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`HeMan: It just TOLD YOU`
`13:37.24`	`fcois93`	`[TK]D-Fender: I need to fax by other way than T38 and that asterisk convert it to t38 to read it... :(`
`13:37.39`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`fcois93: What ver of * BTW? <-`
`13:37.42`	`HeMan`	`[TK]D-Fender: what does the line "XXX Not yet implemented XXX" mean?`
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`13:37.51`	`HeMan`	`what is not implemented?`
`13:38.09`	`HeMan`	`the static option or static=yes or what?`
`13:38.15`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`HeMan: Sorry, I'm not up to teaching your how tor read for this.`
`13:38.29`	`HeMan`	`[TK]D-Fender: ok`
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`13:39.26`	`fcois93`	`[TK]D-Fender: what is it?`
`13:39.42`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`goes off to do something productive.`
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`13:41.15`	`xacatecas`	`[TK]D-Fender, look like it's the other way round, i have in [outbound] exten => _857.,1,... and then in [outbound-uls] exten => _8X.,1,Goto(outbound-uls-telkom-only,${EXTEN:1},1) and the telkom-only takes presedence on "857".`
`13:41.18`	`[gnubie]`	`[TK]D-Fender: wow! sangoma 101d is expensive.. :)`
`13:42.07`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`xacatecas: Now you are mixing TWO things.. include prioritization AND overlapping aptterns`
`13:42.24`	`xacatecas`	`oh, [outbound-uls] has include => outbound`
`13:42.26`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`xacatecas: change them to both FIXED and see the impact.`
`13:43.28`	`HeMan`	`where is the official documentation of asterisk?`
`13:43.41`	`HeMan`	`I look at voip-info.org`
`13:44.36`	`[gnubie]`	`HeMan: this is one at http://www.asteriskdocs.org/`
`13:44.50`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`HeMan: Only offical docs are those included in the tarball`
`13:45.08`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`HeMan: the rest range in quality`
`13:46.50`	`HeMan`	`[gnubie]: asteriskdocs.org seem to be down`
`13:47.03`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`HeMan: it isn't official anyway`
`13:47.11`	`HeMan`	`[TK]D-Fender: those in the docs directory?`
`13:47.22`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`HeMan: Is that in the tarball?`
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`13:48.00`	`HeMan`	`[TK]D-Fender: yes, but i don't find what I look for there so I wondered if it was some where else as well`
`13:48.15`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`HeMan: how about the config SAMPLES.`
`13:48.32`	`[gnubie]`	`HeMan: try also to check the http://www.the-asterisk-book.com/`
`13:48.38`	`HeMan`	`[TK]D-Fender: I couldn't figure out what wasn't implemented from the samples`
`13:48.53`	Part`	`hello, i have problem with my asterisk 1.6`
`13:49.03`	Part`	`i wrote simple config for sip: http://heni0.fm.interia.pl/sip.conf`
`13:49.15`	Part`	`and extensions: http://heni0.fm.interia.pl/extensions.conf`
`13:49.33`	Part`	`then i turning on asterisk, and all is ok, i can connect to it with asterisk -r`
`13:49.48`	Part`	`but i have error 503 with any softphones.`
`13:52.17`	`HeMan`	`what does priorityjumping=no mean? priorityjumping=yes is pretty well documented but not =no`
`13:52.41`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`HeMan: the OPPOSITE of "yes". Please find a brain.`
`13:53.04`	`HeMan`	`[TK]D-Fender: sorry, the lab was closed this morning`
`13:53.10`	`russellb`	`harsh man`
`13:53.36`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`HeMan: When "no" says "this prevents Y" from happening, then "yes" means it is allowed.`
`13:53.46`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`russellb: rought morning... I'll even out.`
`13:53.47`	`HeMan`	`what happends when i have it =no and try to jump? that isn't in the =yes text`
`13:53.50`	`russellb`	`HeMan: instead of using priority jumps for application exit status, you rely on the values of application return status variables. For Dial(), for example, you check the ${DIALSTATUS} var`
`13:54.03`	`russellb`	`it doesn't disallow _you_ from doing jumps`
`13:54.12`	`HeMan`	`russellb: ah! thanks!`
`13:54.15`	`russellb`	`it just means that applications aren't going to force jumps on you to indicate return status`
`13:54.39`	`russellb`	`[TK]D-Fender: yeah, it has been monday all morning so far ...`
`13:54.54`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`russellb: Can we be friday?`
`13:54.58`	`russellb`	`i wish`
`13:55.00`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`russellb: I'd go for that`
`13:55.06`	`HeMan`	`russellb: that made sense. just negating the =yes text made no sense for me`
`13:55.13`	`russellb`	`HeMan: nods`
`13:55.17`	`russellb`	`documentation is silly`
`13:56.00`	`HeMan`	`hmm, perhaps I should add the findings I make and create patch for the sample configurations`
`13:56.25`	`russellb`	`that would be great! :)`
`13:56.41`	`ghostknife`	`OK. Got it. a zapata device seems to MUST have a callgroup and pickupgroup of 1.`
`13:58.08`	`xacatecas`	`[TK]D-Fender, yes, i only just picked up on that just now, and I have horrific lag, only just got your previous lines.`
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`14:00.15`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`russellb: Real men just start pushing buttons, and THEN ask what a "critical reactor coolant leak" means.`
`14:00.27`	`russellb`	`:)`
`14:01.15`	`Sean	`dude is a US week different from a week in another country?`
`14:01.18`	`Sean	`i got a question`
`14:01.20`	`Sean	`What day of the week does Tuesday come on?`
`14:01.24`	`Sean	`second no?`
`14:01.37`	`HeMan`	`russellb: whas http://asterisk.pastebin.com/d45c8c779 what you said?`
`14:01.39`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Sean: Depends which calendar app :)
`14:02.03`	`russellb`	`HeMan: pretty much, yeah :)`
`14:02.23`	`Sean	`dude this site im trying to register for is asking this question i put in 2 second and even 3 and says its still wrong`
`14:02.33`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Sean: Typical printed calendar says Sunday to Saturday. However we also know that Sunday is still the "week end". Can' be the end if you're also the start right?
`14:02.38`	`HeMan`	`Good! I'll continue on that when I document our configuration`
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`14:03.47`	`Sean	`yes`
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`14:03.59`	`fcois93`	`please help me : http://forums.digium.com/viewtopic.php?t=65242`
`14:06.20`	`Sean	`lol dude this site is gay the answer was tuesday`
`14:07.34`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Sean: Sounds like a basic IQ question
`14:07.54`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Sean: What colour was Napoleon's white horse?
`14:08.16`	`kaldemar`	`42`
`14:08.19`	`ceegee`	`anyone here compiled lcr1.2 with asterisk1.6?`
`14:08.45`	`ceegee`	`I always get configure: error: --with-asterisk was given, but test for header-file asterisk/channel.h failed`
`14:08.55`	`HeMan`	`Is UTF8 supported in comments in the configuration files?`
`14:09.24`	`russellb`	`should be ok ...`
`14:09.43`	`fcois93`	`have you seen my topic in the forum ?`
`14:10.19`	`russellb`	`fcois93: the answer is no`
`14:10.57`	`fcois93`	`russellb: oh! are you shure ? why ?`
`14:11.19`	`russellb`	`i am sure, and because i know`
`14:11.20`	`russellb`	`heh`
`14:11.42`	`fcois93`	`russellb: can you explain me why ?`
`14:11.51`	`russellb`	`because it isn't supported yet`
`14:14.28`	`yang`	`I am having troubles with parked calls - this are my features.conf (uncommented all options now) http://pastebin.ca/1243999`
`14:14.40`	`yang`	`The trouble is that when dialing #exten it drops out`
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`14:23.37`	`acxty`	`Hi guys, I have meridian system and I want to change it to asterisk. I have meridian phones can them be adapted to asterisk. I want to have 15 extensions and use 4 lines. What brands do you recommend. I had work a little with asterisk but only by ip.`
`14:25.33`	`Maliuta`	`Help! there's water falling from the sky ... does this mean global warming has caused the seas to rise and we're all going to drown?`
`14:26.31`	`mort_gib`	`acxty: You will want to get new phones...`
`14:26.35`	`HeMan`	`Maliuta: yes, but first is the economy going to crash`
`14:26.53`	`HeMan`	`Maliuta: first you get poor, then you die! :)`
`14:27.00`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`acxty: Yes they can be converted but the only devices to do so are horribly expensive. Far more than the const of something that would work 10x better anyways`
`14:27.00`	`russellb`	`there are some companies that sell boxes that let you use old digital phones, and let them talk to asterisk via SIP`
`14:27.04`	`russellb`	`what was that company called ......`
`14:27.10`	`Maliuta`	`HeMan: so why is water falling from the sky?`
`14:27.25`	`russellb`	`but yeah, new phones would be better`
`14:27.29`	`HeMan`	`Maliuta: due to the crashing economy`
`14:27.32`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`russellb: Citel`
`14:27.33`	`HeMan`	`:)`
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`14:27.39`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`russellb: $3000 <---`
`14:27.43`	`russellb`	`ah yes, that was it`
`14:27.44`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`(24 ports)`
`14:27.46`	`russellb`	`ugh, new phones then`
`14:27.52`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`russellb: Yup`
`14:28.19`	`Vale-ICS`	`has anyone had experience with a patton smartnode 4554? or something similar along those lines?`
`14:28.43`	`acxty`	`mort_gib, [TK]D-Fender ok, what phones will you recommend, any specific model. What I wan to have are this options (redirect calls, calls on hold, read messages, that they have speaker, etc..) normal stuff`
`14:29.25`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`acxty: Polycom IP 320 if you can spare the passthrough and run a spearate aLAN for them, 330 otherwise. 650 for receptionist`
`14:29.26`	`Maliuta`	`thinks HeMan underestimates how often water has fallen from the sky in .au in the last 12 years or so`
`14:29.56`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`acxty: Where are you located?`
`14:30.02`	`acxty`	`Central America`
`14:30.08`	`HeMan`	`Maliuta: it's building up to a big crash...`
`14:30.29`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`acxty: Ok, Should be near par with the reast of North America`
`14:30.40`	`mort_gib`	`acxty: I like the Snoms, but the Polycoms are pretty nice too...`
`14:31.32`	`acxty`	`[TK]D-Fender, I can buy them in USA and bring them hear, if you recommend a place for buying them there is no problem.`
`14:32.38`	`yang`	`do i need to define extensions from 701-720 in extensions.conf if I want to use parked calls or is the include => parkedcalls statement enough?`
`14:33.20`	`yang`	`I don't know why it drops out when trying to transfer something, the "transfer" button works, but I cannot get it working with the digits`
`14:33.44`	`acxty`	`[TK]D-Fender, I don't get this part. "if you can spare the passthrough and run a spearate aLAN for them"`
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`14:34.40`	`acxty`	`also, I see that they use ethernet ports, They work sip right. Would I need a special switch for that?`
`14:35.40`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`acxty: www.telephonydepot.com`
`14:36.13`	`russellb`	`[TK]D-Fender: they should give you commission`
`14:36.15`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`acxty: PoE switch recommended otherwise you'll have to buy the power bricks as well`
`14:36.30`	`acxty`	`ok`
`14:36.35`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`russellb: Nifty though, but that would hit the customer :)`
`14:37.06`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`russellb: You know how I work... I promote worthy products and companies as long as they remain so.`
`14:37.18`	`acxty`	`[TK]D-Fender, I will do this IP 320, IP 650, PoE switch, asterisk`
`14:37.19`	`russellb`	`nods`
`14:37.24`	`acxty`	`that is all I will need?`
`14:37.39`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`russellb: Either heads south and their on the dorrstep unless I'm desperate ;)`
`14:37.46`	`lmadsen`	`needs a PoE switch for his desk`
`14:37.55`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`they're*`
`14:38.05`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`acxty: For phone, yes`
`14:38.47`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`acxty: please not what I said about 320 vs 330. 330 you can plug INLINE with your computer. 320 needs a switch jack of its own`
`14:39.18`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`lmadsen: Netgear's little one works fine. I've got 3`
`14:39.29`	`lmadsen`	`ya, I've heard about those ones`
`14:39.35`	`lmadsen`	`the 4x4 one`
`14:39.41`	`acxty`	`I want to have the computer LAN separate from the telephones, rather use 320 in this case`
`14:39.45`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`lmadsen: Yup, the 108 model`
`14:39.56`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`acxty: that is the layout I personally recommend.`
`14:40.15`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`acxty: for your switch I'd recommend the D-Link DES-1228P`
`14:40.27`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`acxty: Excellent bang for buck.`
`14:41.07`	`mort_gib`	`D-Link ??? Man you must be kidding!`
`14:41.53`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`mort_gib: No, they tend to work great.`
`14:42.02`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`mort_gib: their ROUTERS on the other hand...`
`14:42.18`	`mort_gib`	`So that is the ONLY product they every got to work!`
`14:42.35`	`mort_gib`	`Yes I have had my problems with them....`
`14:46.46`	`HeMan`	`We use SNOM which works good and it's pretty good bang for the buck`
`14:49.01`	`acxty`	`[TK]D-Fender, I am looking for a digium card right now. Using that layout I will need a card with ip adapter or I can use the normal ethernet nic for it. If so I was thinking using the TDM400P cause I need to use 4 analog lines`
`14:49.08`	`acxty`	`is that ok`
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`14:49.49`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`acxty: My recommendation, Sangoma A200d w/ 2 FXO modules (4 ports) + Echo Cancellation`
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`14:51.48`	`acxty`	`[TK]D-Fender, I want to work with asterisk + centos. Is it compatible with this layout?`
`14:52.07`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`acxty: Again exactly wat I would use`
`14:57.21`	`Katty`	`shivers.`
`14:58.05`	`acxty`	`[TK]D-Fender, correct me if I am wrong. I will need 4 FXO ports (4 analog lines will enter to that card from the central phone company) and the one you told me only have 2`
`14:58.33`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`acxty: 2 modules have 2 ports each`
`14:58.33`	`acxty`	`2 FXO and 2 FXS`
`14:58.45`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`total of 4`
`14:59.01`	`acxty`	`oh, I was thinking 1 module == 1 port`
`14:59.02`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`acxty: Sangoma uses dual-port modules as opposed to single`
`14:59.12`	`acxty`	`ok`
`14:59.29`	`acxty`	`is this the correct card http://www.voiplink.com/Sangoma_A200D_Series_Analog_Interfaces_Echo_Canc_p/sangoma-a200d-series.htm`
`14:59.44`	`Katty`	`what a terrible morning. company meeting with a Guest Speaker`
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`15:00.18`	`Katty`	`and then we got to rank our coworkers (privately) about our top ten and our least ten`
`15:00.25`	`Katty`	`so that they can hang the document in the hallway.`
`15:00.31`	`Katty`	`i just can't believe this company sometimes.`
`15:01.36`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`acxty: Yes, that is the base card. You need to add the modules on it.`
`15:02.02`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Katty: Divide & conquer`
`15:02.35`	`Katty`	`[TK]D-Fender: sure, if you're intentionally trying to rip your company to shreds in an already terrible economic time.`
`15:03.01`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Katty: Sounds like fun!`
`15:03.10`	`Katty`	`[TK]D-Fender: shouldn't we be joining hands and singing combiya?`
`15:03.33`	`Katty`	`Kumbayah`
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`15:05.07`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Katty: Watch your company's value drop and it'll be "Come-buy-ya"!`
`15:05.30`	`Katty`	`[TK]D-Fender: nothing a little civil war can't fix.`
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`15:05.47`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Katty: 2 more days!`
`15:06.06`	`Katty`	`sighs`
`15:06.10`	`Katty`	`i need more canned food.`
`15:06.47`	`acxty`	`[TK]D-Fender, are this modules ok http://www.voipsupply.com/sangoma-fxo-2-module`
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`15:07.04`	`Katty`	`and suddenly i want to see my mom.`
`15:07.18`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`acxty: Yes.`
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`15:08.06`	`teknoprep`	`anyone know of a T.38 provider that includes and ATA ?`
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`15:08.49`	`acxty`	`thanks, that is all I will need right. Card Sangoma A200D + FXO modules, Centos 5.2, Asterisk, IP 320, IP 650 and I D-LINK DES-1228P. is that ok?`
`15:08.57`	`acxty`	`no special cables or stuff like that`
`15:09.01`	`acxty`	`?`
`15:09.53`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`acxty: that pretty much covers it`
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`15:11.46`	`acxty`	`[TK]D-Fender, to use the FXO modules with the card, is use plug and play or does it have a complicated process`
`15:11.46`	`magronez`	`is away: almoco`
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`15:11.52`	`sdr_`	`hi - how do i make sangoma/wanpipe driver load? it says wanpipe: no symbol version for zt_ec_span/wanpipe: Unknown symbol zt_ec_span but cat /proc/kallsyms \| grep 'T zt_ec_span' says ffffffffa027ee55 T zt_ec_span [zaptel]`
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`15:12.38`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`acxty: 1 or 2 more software steps than with a Digium card, but thats about it`
`15:12.38`	`acxty`	`and physically, use plug them`
`15:12.38`	`sdr_`	`hi - how do i make sangoma/wanpipe driver load? it says wanpipe: no symbol version for zt_ec_span/wanpipe: Unknown symbol zt_ec_span`
`15:12.38`	`Katty`	`[TK]D-Fender: should it get truly bad, i might have to ask a favor.`
`15:12.38`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`acxty: Same thing`
`15:12.59`	`sdr_`	`but cat /proc/kallsyms \| grep 'T zt_ec_span' says ffffffffa027ee55 T zt_ec_span [zaptel]`
`15:12.59`	`acxty`	`[TK]D-Fender, thanks, really aprecciate your help ;)`
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`15:13.17`	`sdr_`	`so basicaly i have zaptel loaded and exporting this symbol but wanpipe is not loading because??? version mismatch?`
`15:13.19`	`mort_gib`	`acxty: Download the wanpipe driver from Sangoma and run the i stall, FOLLOW the WiKi they have though!`
`15:13.32`	`acxty`	`ok, thanks`
`15:13.48`	`casix`	`hello`
`15:13.54`	`casix`	`i've seen that asterisk make a dns query with host-channel.domain.com. Is that normal???`
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`15:15.24`	`casix`	`you can see the packet of the query here: http://pastebin.com/m6080bf2e`
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`15:18.35`	`rcahilig`	`ï»¿guys did you heard about OSLEC? I've been wonderin if I can use it on my Asterisk server even if I don't have any analog telephone card installed. Thanks.`
`15:18.48`	`jameswf`	`I wonder how late i will be tomorow due to voting...`
`15:19.03`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`rcahilig: No`
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`15:19.27`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`rcahilig: You cannot echo-cancel VoIP`
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`15:19.49`	`jameswf`	`I echo canceled my voip last nght heh he`
`15:20.05`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`jameswf: This is a family channel!!! EWW!!!!`
`15:20.22`	`jameswf`	`oh i shouldnt talk about my wii then either`
`15:20.54`	`DSpair`	`Hello all. I am having a problem with IAX deadlock errors and high load with the asterisk process. Does anyone know of some information on isolating this problem?`
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`15:21.17`	`xacatecas`	`what is the difference between extension not found and invalid?`
`15:21.20`	`xacatecas`	`eg, if I want to be friendly and state to a person, "sorry, the number you have dialed is invalid", surely the i extension should do the trick?`
`15:22.08`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`xacatecas: "i" is a dialplan extension. It doesn't magically talk.`
`15:22.27`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`xacatecas: but yes, that would do... for IVR's anyways`
`15:23.34`	`jaytee`	`I played Wii tennis, bowling and Mario Kart with the steering wheel remotes. Wii rocks!!!`
`15:23.49`	`Katty`	`jaytee: hey`
`15:24.01`	`jaytee`	`Katty: hi!`
`15:24.13`	`Katty`	`jaytee: how's the zoo this morning?`
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`15:24.53`	`jaytee`	`Sunny skies with mild temps, I'm fine and the critters are happy. So far so good :-)`
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`15:28.36`	`xacatecas`	`[TK]D-Fender, ok, well, all I did now was add exten => _X.,1,Goto(i,1), probably not the cleanest but it gets the job done.`
`15:30.27`	`jameswf`	`(__(__)`
`15:30.29`	`Katty`	`jaytee: well that's good.`
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`15:32.39`	`unasi7`	`guys,... is there a way to load the CDR over API (Manager)? (CSV / XML)?`
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`15:36.42`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`unasi7: Load? In what way?`
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`15:37.00`	`backblue`	`hi, where can i found some dahdi 2.0 help?`
`15:37.01`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`~ask`
`15:37.02`	`jbot`	`rumour has it, ask is Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will.`
`15:37.03`	`jameswf`	`backblue: call a pcycologist 2.0`
`15:37.07`	`Arsenick-`	`whoa.. I've played with this yesterday maybe I can help`
`15:37.49`	`jameswf`	`people and their dahdi issues.... will you feel better if we said he really does love you and its all your mahmis fault`
`15:38.03`	`Arsenick-`	`rofl`
`15:38.19`	`Arsenick-`	`does asterisk is supposed to get his date/time from the system ?`
`15:38.45`	`backblue`	`it seems like /etc/zaptel.conf now have moved to /etc/dahdi/system.conf, but where is the /etc/sysconfig/zaptel.conf?`
`15:39.16`	`rob0`	`/etc/sysconfig/zaptel.conf looks like a distributor's path`
`15:39.23`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`backblue: zaptel.conf is not part fo sysconfig...`
`15:39.53`	`backblue`	`it's the path in redhat based systems.`
`15:39.56`	`Arsenick-`	`backblue, you have to keep in mind two files, chan_dahdi.conf in /etc/asterisk and the files in /etc/dahdi/*`
`15:40.16`	`backblue`	`yes but /etc/dahdi/* only have system.conf.`
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`15:41.00`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`backblue: Do not confuse a config file with a startup script...`
`15:41.04`	`rob0`	`Redhat has probably documented what files you need and where they are.`
`15:41.28`	`Arsenick-`	`http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/DAHDI`
`15:41.39`	`Arsenick-`	`" /etc/zaptel.conf Becomes /etc/dahdi/system.conf`
`15:41.39`	`Arsenick-`	`/etc/asterisk/zapata.conf Becomes /etc/asterisk/chan_dahdi.conf`
`15:41.39`	`Arsenick-`	`<PROTECTED>`
`15:41.49`	`backblue`	`i think i found the problem.`
`15:42.43`	`backblue`	`i'm using DYNFS`
`15:43.13`	`backblue`	`when udev starts, it's creates all the stuff`
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`15:44.06`	`bird_of_Luck`	`hey guis, quite simple question: I've got common setup - E1 to pstn and sip phones in the office. Everytime when people calls from pstn sip user see long-pstn-number@long-domain.name. How can I change this long-domain.name only when call comes from E1?`
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`15:44.49`	`backblue`	`nice, working like a charm, thanks guys.`
`15:44.56`	`backblue`	`now moving to 1.6 :D`
`15:47.09`	`[gnubie]`	`gtg now..`
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`15:48.49`	`chrisred`	`Has anyone managed to get a Cisco 7970 working on * - I've a few 7940's behind the same connection that work fine`
`15:49.38`	`unasi7`	`[TK]D-Fender .. sorry ... hmm.. i like to get the last 5 CDR entries... by API.. possible?`
`15:53.00`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`unasi7: no API does this that I know of.`
`15:53.11`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`unasi7: Go write your own script`
`15:53.22`	`jblack`	`huh. i was just thinking about writing an xml/rpc api for the cdr.`
`15:54.09`	`jblack`	`kept getting stuck at "And why would this be better than just using a sql server".`
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`15:56.34`	`Katty`	`hugs Deeewayne`
`15:57.05`	`Deeewayne`	`Yay! my first hug from Katty :-)`
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`16:02.05`	`jblack`	`wtf? 40 billion in "238 day treasury bills".`
`16:02.17`	`Arsenick-`	`someone can tell me why my iax2 trunk always go down after a certain amount of time ?`
`16:02.24`	`Arsenick-`	`and I can't register anymore`
`16:02.35`	`Arsenick-`	`even if I restart asterisk and reboot the server...`
`16:02.38`	`Arsenick-`	`what's wrong`
`16:02.52`	`jblack`	`Arsenick-: Maybe your ip is changing.`
`16:03.18`	`Arsenick-`	`yeah it sounds like that, but it still the same`
`16:03.31`	`jameswf`	`I am confused why would you carry asterisk on a notenook rather than a headset and some software...`
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`16:04.12`	`Arsenick-`	`how can I debug this kind of problem ?`
`16:04.31`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Arsenick-: check your firewals & connections`
`16:04.35`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Arsenick-: NAT?`
`16:04.55`	`jameswf`	`Arsenick-: torrent downloads`
`16:05.07`	`Arsenick-`	`yeah it's behind a linux box`
`16:05.11`	`Arsenick-`	`firewall using iptables`
`16:05.29`	`mort_gib`	`tcpdump is your friend....`
`16:05.38`	`Arsenick-`	`yeah that's what I'm trying lol`
`16:05.51`	`mort_gib`	`:-)`
`16:06.02`	`Arsenick-`	`cuz my dog tell me more about this problem then iax2 debug itself...`
`16:06.19`	`jblack`	`You listen to your dog?`
`16:06.22`	`Carlos_PHX`	`NAT can timeout and drop the ports.`
`16:06.29`	`Arsenick-`	`always ;)`
`16:06.56`	`jblack`	`Yeah. A 10 minute timeout is common in nat.`
`16:06.59`	`Arsenick-`	`Carlos_PHX, even with iax ? I though this was the kind of problem you can have with SIP isn't %`
`16:07.34`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Arsenick-: Whats on each side?`
`16:07.46`	`Carlos_PHX`	`I don't know, I haven't seen it, but since you're chasing a wild problem...just something else to check out.`
`16:08.09`	`Arsenick-`	`here it's a brand new asterisk 1.21.1 and on the other side I don't know... it's a provider called unlimitel`
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`16:08.21`	`Arsenick-`	`they used to have a good services..`
`16:08.26`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Arsenick-: Do you have IAX forwarded fromyour router?`
`16:08.27`	`backblue`	`guys, asterisk 1.6 have make menuselect, how do enable or disable stuff, without using make menuselect? (i'm doing rpms)`
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`16:08.39`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Used to, as in you didn't have this in the past?`
`16:08.46`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Arsenick-: Unlimitel is pretty good. Haven't heard any complains from them really...`
`16:09.08`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`backblue: Just look at the file ti creates`
`16:09.18`	`Arsenick-`	`yeah I know.. and I know they are not the problem, if I take my login and apssword using KIAX it works fine..`
`16:09.52`	`Arsenick-`	`[TK]D-Fender, if it's a NAT problem how can I fix this ? on the firewall side ?`
`16:09.59`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Arsenick-: Again, have you forwarded the port from your router to *?`
`16:10.09`	`Arsenick-`	`yeah sorry`
`16:10.34`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Arsenick-: What are the conditions it drop in?`
`16:11.09`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Does it ever drop in a call, or just when idle?`
`16:11.11`	`Arsenick-`	`the only rule concerning iax in the firewall is:`
`16:11.16`	`Arsenick-`	`/sbin/iptables -t mangle -A PREROUTING -i $intlan -p udp -m udp --dport 4569 -j MARK --set-mark 1`
`16:11.32`	`Arsenick-`	`it seems to be when idle but it pass the night when nobody was here..`
`16:12.05`	`Arsenick-`	`should I forward the port to my asterisk box ?`
`16:12.40`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Arsenick-: that isn't forwarding to my awareness...`
`16:12.53`	`Arsenick-`	`no I know this is not a forward rule`
`16:13.01`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Arsenick-: well thats what you need`
`16:13.07`	`Arsenick-`	`ok`
`16:13.11`	`Arsenick-`	`I'll try this..`
`16:13.53`	`Arsenick-`	`thx for your help!`
`16:15.55`	`jameswf`	`sees his name in the dahdi change log and feels special :)`
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`16:17.24`	`eliel`	`Hello, can someone explaing better the LOCAL() function?, I have only this: "Variables local to the gosub stack frame."`
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`16:26.47`	`rnovotny22`	`Does anyone know how to get FOP working with *1.6?`
`16:27.24`	`Katty`	`rnovotny22: a lot of the AMI was changed in 1.6`
`16:27.32`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`rnovotny22: Probably doesn't as 1.6's AMI API changed`
`16:27.36`	`Katty`	`rnovotny22: isymphony does not work.`
`16:27.43`	`Katty`	`rnovotny22: so i'm going to wager neither does FOP.`
`16:28.12`	`rnovotny22`	`That is what I have found so far. Is there another GUI similar that does work?`
`16:28.30`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`rnovotny22: 1.6 is only slowly gaining support...`
`16:28.46`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`rnovotny22: HID(lite) is likely one of the first to follow I'm betting`
`16:28.49`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`HUD*`
`16:29.41`	`rnovotny22`	`I did look at HUD but it did not seem to show all the channels like FOP did.`
`16:31.12`	`Arsenick-`	`[TK]D-Fender, I removed the rule I showed to you and it's working now.. I'll see in few day if it still working but for now it's ok..`
`16:31.19`	`Arsenick-`	`we have two link one cable and one dsl`
`16:31.49`	`Arsenick-`	`we was forwarding iax thru the dsl link..`
`16:32.45`	`Arsenick-`	`I've posted a question regarding this on the asterisk forum but maybe someone here can help me.. I get this Warning message...`
`16:32.48`	`Arsenick-`	`ast_expr2.fl:407 ast_yyerror: ast_yyerror(): syntax error: syntax error, unexpected '=', expecting $end; Input:`
`16:32.48`	`Arsenick-`	`<PROTECTED>`
`16:32.48`	`Arsenick-`	`<PROTECTED>`
`16:33.03`	`Arsenick-`	`WARNING[4620]: ast_expr2.fl:411 ast_yyerror: If you have questions, please refer to doc/channelvariables.txt in the asterisk source.`
`16:33.11`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Arsenick-: You have broken an expression with one side of it being completely blank`
`16:33.31`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Arsenick-: Remeber jsut how dumb * variable handling is.`
`16:33.40`	`Arsenick-`	`in a macro in extension.conf ?`
`16:33.40`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`darn can't type today...`
`16:33.57`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Arsenick-: as in an EXPRESSION in your dialplan`
`16:34.25`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Arsenick-: You should already know what line is broken.`
`16:34.37`	`Arsenick-`	`you'll not be proud of me but we are using asterisk-gui for the configuration :P`
`16:35.01`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Arsenick-: I'd be even less proud if you didn't already pin down the broken line while watching CLI <-`
`16:35.14`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Arsenick-: this is the "get off your ass and look" push...`
`16:35.23`	`Arsenick-`	`yeah on line 411 ?`
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`16:35.43`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Arsenick-: What does a line number say to me? I have no idea whats in yur dialplan`
`16:35.52`	`Arsenick-`	`exten => i,1,Playback(invalid) ; "That's not valid, try again"`
`16:36.02`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Arsenick-: Clearly that isn't it`
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`16:36.22`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`arkGo look at your CLI outpu. You;ll see what exten & priority generated the error`
`16:36.23`	`Arsenick-`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`16:36.33`	`mort_gib`	`TK: I just had a look at HUD, I would need to install a "server part " too -right??`
`16:36.38`	`mort_gib`	`And is it any good??`
`16:36.45`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`mort_gib: Maybe you should read their instructions.`
`16:36.59`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`mort_gib: And I don't use it.`
`16:37.03`	`mort_gib`	`Yeah :-) I'm doing that now...`
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`16:37.07`	`mort_gib`	`Why not??`
`16:38.02`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`mort_gib: because I have no need for it.`
`16:38.25`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`mort_gib: I don't "sit & stare", I "set & forget"`
`16:38.33`	`mort_gib`	`LOL`
`16:38.34`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`pays his royalies to Ron Popeil`
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`16:39.28`	`mort_gib`	`I Agree, but they just changed numbers in Gibraltar, adding 3 digits in the front (200) to any land line`
`16:39.52`	`mort_gib`	`So I have been busy teaching * how to add that when clients forget....`
`16:40.06`	`mort_gib`	`Waste of time, learn it already!`
`16:44.28`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`mort_gib: Make your dialplan smarter then.`
`16:44.55`	`mort_gib`	`So what is that stuff supposed to do then??`
`16:45.26`	`mort_gib`	`My Dialplan worked just fine, clients just didn't want to change their contacts....`
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`16:48.16`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`mort_gib: My area went to 10-digit dialing a few years back. I made * add the area code to 7-digit dials to reach the mandatory 10 assuming the common AC`
`16:48.54`	`mort_gib`	`Yes, in this case though, all of Gibraltar needs to dial the 200 in front`
`16:49.41`	`mort_gib`	`They will start to allow other providers to come in using the 201 202 etc prefixes...`
`16:49.45`	`mort_gib`	`Small place`
`16:50.07`	`magronez`	`is back`
`16:50.56`	`thehar`	`having a heck of a time with 1.4.22 and zaptel =)`
`16:51.26`	`thehar`	`http://pastebin.ca/1244101`
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`16:54.19`	`IsUp`	`thehar: can you try "ZAP" in uppercase as you see`
`16:54.28`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`nope...`
`16:54.47`	`thehar`	`i can try capital ZAP.. i've been told to try DAHDI/g1 as well..`
`16:55.06`	`IsUp`	`and please take look to your channel with 'zap show channel <chan>'`
`16:55.28`	`IsUp`	`and can you tell me whats the "PRI Flags" of channel`
`16:55.41`	`thehar`	`there are no pri flags`
`16:56.04`	`tzafrir_laptop`	`It should actually be "Zap"`
`16:56.33`	`thehar`	`PRI Flags:`
`16:56.38`	`thehar`	`nothing on chan 1`
`16:56.41`	`tzafrir_laptop`	`but "DAHDI" should indeed be all caps. As is "SIP" and "IAX2"`
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`16:58.07`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`tzafrir_laptop: isn't case sensitive`
`16:58.49`	`tzafrir_laptop`	`thehar, if you want to be sure: core show channeltypes`
`16:58.58`	`IsUp`	`thehar: can you type 'pri show spans'?`
`16:59.12`	`tzafrir_laptop`	`thehar, but then again, are you sure you have channels in group=1 ?`
`16:59.42`	`thehar`	`Zap is on channeltypes`
`16:59.45`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`yay, a good idea!`
`17:00.00`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`It might lead to looking at config even!`
`17:00.03`	`thehar`	`pbx02*CLI> pri show spans`
`17:00.03`	`thehar`	`PRI span 1/0: Provisioned, Down, Active`
`17:00.18`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`OMG, and looking at link status, GENIUS!`
`17:00.22`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`runs in circles`
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`17:00.49`	`thehar`	`heh.. zttool shows OK on span 1 the channel 1-23 i have setup in group=1`
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`17:06.43`	`dandre`	`Hello,`
`17:08.03`	`dandre`	`I am looking for something like FOP but that only shows phone status (busys, ring, ready) in windows status line. Does this small app exists?`
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`17:08.54`	`unasi7`	`any hint's how i can impoove the quality of xlite .. i often got >200ms (LAGGED) ... but with Hardphones i got most of the time <40ms?! any ideas?`
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`17:15.19`	`citywok`	`in a production server where you can't restart zaptel, how do you reconfigure a T1 port without resetting all of the active ports?`
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`17:15.44`	`citywok`	`will force-reload reload the configuration, and not kill everything?`
`17:15.56`	`IsUp`	`its stopping and starting again.`
`17:20.17`	`tzafrir_laptop`	`citywok, what type of "reconfigure"?`
`17:20.45`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`unasi7: is your PC on the same lan as *?`
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`17:23.03`	`Sargun`	`What are some fairly prolific area codes in pop culture?`
`17:23.59`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Sargun: 555 212 987`
`17:24.17`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`976*`
`17:25.53`	`Sargun`	`uhm.`
`17:25.56`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Ok, preparing the big PC upgrade, BBIAB`
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`17:26.01`	`Sargun`	`have fun`
`17:26.35`	`citywok`	`tzafrir_laptop: changing from an FXS to E&M`
`17:26.42`	`citywok`	`so changing zaptel.con and zapata-channels`
`17:27.00`	`citywok`	`i know i can module reload chan_zap.so and not have any problem,s but i dont know how to reload zaptel itself and not blow it up`
`17:27.07`	`tzafrir_laptop`	`a change of signalling would require at least zap restart`
`17:27.39`	`tzafrir_laptop`	`to apply this at the zaptel level, ztcfg would do . But I guess this would disconnect existing calls`
`17:27.49`	`citywok`	`how do large people in production handle that? seems like a larger installation would have major problems with that`
`17:27.53`	`ManxPower`	`change in signaling will require a ztcfg, which will disconnect all your calls.`
`17:28.11`	`citywok`	`dangit`
`17:28.20`	`ManxPower`	`best to unload chan_zap.so in the CLI, do a ztcfg -vvv at a shell prompt, then load chan_zap.so in the CLI`
`17:28.21`	`tzafrir_laptop`	`(the zap ones, at least)`
`17:28.48`	`citywok`	`ManxPower: after running ztcfg right?`
`17:28.57`	`ManxPower`	`citywok: larget insallations don't change their signaling.`
`17:28.58`	`citywok`	`(or just zaptel restart, if you edit zaptel.conf by hand)`
`17:29.08`	`ManxPower`	`when the telco changes the signaling on the line you will also drop calls.`
`17:29.36`	`ManxPower`	`citywok: you cannot restart zaptel with chan_zap.so loaded in Asterisk`
`17:29.42`	`citywok`	`i'm changing signalling between my PBX, and my asterisk box, going from an OPX trunk to an E&M`
`17:30.04`	`ManxPower`	`citywok: nod`
`17:30.14`	`citywok`	`OPX/FXS trunks dont like to work properly, so i'm giving up on them for now until i can get our telco vendor here to tell me what the hell its doing wrong`
`17:30.45`	`ManxPower`	`changing signaling, adding/removing channels and a few other things require a chan_zap.so load/unload`
`17:30.46`	`citywok`	`well, not the answer i wanted, but it was the answer i expected haha, thanks for confirming my fears! :P`
`17:30.59`	`ManxPower`	`citywok: E&M is better anyway. It will eliminate glare.`
`17:31.10`	`citywok`	`i suppose a telco running asterisk would just have 1 server for PRI, and 1 server for E&M so they dont have to recnfigure like this`
`17:31.22`	`ManxPower`	`citywok: Huh?`
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`17:31.51`	`citywok`	`if you needed to provide both E&M and PRI signalling, just seperate it into different servers so when you configure a new customer you dont have to restart your entire zaptel driver, and take everybody down`
`17:32.02`	`ManxPower`	`I don't imagine many telcos are running Asterisk, and if they are they will schedule downtime`
`17:32.25`	`ManxPower`	`citywok: you still would when adding/removing channels/spans.`
`17:33.05`	`citywok`	`the problem with e&m instead of opx is... opx is for off premise extensions, aka fake devices, instead of a T1 for LD which si what i'm using E&M for`
`17:33.08`	`ManxPower`	`really, once I have a server in production we don't change things like signaling. Most people only have to do tht when they are prototyping a system before deploying it into production`
`17:33.29`	`citywok`	`ManxPower: that's exactly where i am now, prottyping, working out kinks, etc.`
`17:33.32`	`ManxPower`	`citywok: Asterisk has no signaling called OPX`
`17:33.33`	`ManxPower`	`citywok: I assume you have a T-1 between Asterisk and the PBX?`
`17:33.48`	`citywok`	`OPX is signalled FXO/FXS`
`17:34.10`	`citywok`	`OPX is what our inter-tel/mitel pbx calls it`
`17:34.14`	`ManxPower`	`Asterisk only supports FXS OR FXO signaling per channel.`
`17:34.22`	`ManxPower`	`not both at the same time.`
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`17:34.40`	`citywok`	`yup, the pbx signalls OPX as FXO, and i signal it as FXS on my side`
`17:34.54`	`citywok`	`the problem is asterisk never knows when the PBX hangs up the call, so the zap channel in asterisk gets stuck open forever`
`17:34.59`	`ManxPower`	`(11:33:32 AM) ManxPower: citywok: I assume you have a T-1 between Asterisk and the PBX?`
`17:35.20`	`citywok`	`yes, i've actually got 2 4port t1 cards`
`17:36.07`	`citywok`	`(in seperate servers, so i can break things in different places)`
`17:36.38`	`ManxPower`	`good. Asterisk <-> PBX using analog will give you no end of trouble`
`17:36.49`	`citywok`	`oh i'm well aware`
`17:37.06`	`citywok`	`i've got 2 24port analog cards we were using for a conference bridge. i hate my life, they are a constant nightmare`
`17:37.26`	`citywok`	`even after the guy taht wired them went back, and fixed the 5 broken punches`
`17:37.34`	`ManxPower`	`citywok: I prefer T-1 + channel bank for analog stuff`
`17:37.55`	`citywok`	`i'm not sure what you mean`
`17:38.00`	`ManxPower`	`citywok: if you have problems with echo let me know, I sell echo cancel solutions`
`17:38.17`	`citywok`	`it's not echo, it's random disconnects - we got the echo problems all fixed`
`17:38.25`	`ManxPower`	`citywok: a channel bank converts T-1 channels into analog ports.`
`17:38.51`	`citywok`	`so it's T1 on the PBX side, or the asterisk side?`
`17:38.53`	`ManxPower`	`screams at Verizon wireless`
`17:39.09`	`n3hxs`	`They can't hear you now.`
`17:39.16`	`ManxPower`	`citywok: Lets start over. What are you using the 2 x 24-port analog cards for?`
`17:39.20`	`citywok`	`but they have all those people following you around`
`17:39.23`	`Carlos_PHX`	`was just screaming at Verizon`
`17:39.40`	`Carlos_PHX`	`I can't get them to give me a quote for 500 lines.`
`17:39.47`	`Carlos_PHX`	`I guess it's too small to be worth their time.`
`17:39.58`	`citywok`	`ManxPower: currently, nothing. until a few weeks ago they were analog extensions on our PBX, which we added to a huntgroup, and made our conference bridge using meetme`
`17:40.04`	`ManxPower`	`Carlos_PHX: I go from 3-bars EVDO hight speed to 1 bar 1xRTT low speed, then it flips back, then it stays on 1xRTT.`
`17:40.12`	`ManxPower`	`citywok: Ah.`
`17:40.25`	`Carlos_PHX`	`ManxPower: I see that in marginal areas.`
`17:40.36`	`Carlos_PHX`	`It's actually not surprising from the system side.`
`17:40.36`	`citywok`	`ManxPower: be happy you dont have an AT&T iPhone`
`17:40.37`	`ManxPower`	`Lets assume you want some analog phones on Asterisk not using your PBX. A channel bank will let you plug into a T-1 port in Asterisk and get up to 24 analog ports for phones`
`17:40.51`	`citywok`	`mine goes 5 bars of 3G, no service for 30 seconds, Edge, no service for 30 seconds, 5 bars of 3G`
`17:40.52`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Has iPhone, loves it.`
`17:41.04`	`ManxPower`	`citywok: I'm very happy I don't have AT&T as there is no AT&T service where I live.`
`17:41.41`	`ManxPower`	`I have a booster antenna, I ordered the adapter for my card last week. Hope it gets here soon.`
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`17:43.13`	`Carlos_PHX`	`I want to buy 500 cell phones, scaling to 2000 in 18 months. Verizon won't call me back, and won't connect me with a sales rep directly.`
`17:43.14`	`Carlos_PHX`	`WTF`
`17:46.18`	`ManxPower`	`sounds like you need to tell them you want to become an authorized reseller`
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`17:54.58`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`There we go...`
`17:58.19`	`hardwire`	`Carlos_PHX: It's easy to be a reseller`
`17:58.28`	`hardwire`	`they skip the first born and go right to the second.`
`17:58.49`	`Daejeo`	`what is the channel for nokia deveplement`
`17:59.43`	`Deeewayn1`	`creates a buzz about file`
`18:00.13`	`Daejeo`	`#symbian#symbian`
`18:00.27`	`Daejeo`	`i lost my all hairs`
`18:00.44`	`hardwire`	`like.. you had but a few?`
`18:01.01`	`thehar`	`i have zap outbound dialing! woot!`
`18:01.10`	`thehar`	`curses XO and their signaling issues`
`18:01.15`	`Carlos_PHX`	`ManxPower: Interesting thought.`
`18:01.20`	`Carlos_PHX`	`I might pursue that too.`
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`18:07.05`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`BRB`
`18:07.45`	`jameswf`	`Due to the expected voter turnout- Dems vote Wednesday and Reps vote Thursday`
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`18:09.35`	`ManxPower`	`jameswf: so the same as every past election since chain letter appeared on the internet.`
`18:10.19`	`jameswf`	`Im not registered to either party so I guess I am screwed :)`
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`18:16.17`	`bertinskiz`	`katty?`
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`18:27.35`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`\o/ upgraded system up 100%`
`18:29.39`	`jaytee`	`[TK]D-Fender, upgraded what?`
`18:29.59`	`jaytee`	`the new workstation?`
`18:30.23`	`bertinskiz`	`World Of Warcraft?`
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`18:30.30`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`jaytee: Yup. My work PC from AMD3000+ to C2D 8500`
`18:30.44`	`JohnnyScarlet`	`Hey [TK]D-Fender , is there an article on configuring * for Nikkom? I googled without success. Nikkom doesn't even mention anything about SIP or BYOD support`
`18:30.47`	`jaytee`	`C2D rocks`
`18:31.10`	`jaytee`	`I'm gonna hold back on i7 though till after it's been out a while.`
`18:31.16`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`JohnnyScarlet: SIP is SIP. Typically they give you the usual connection details and they are much like any other provider`
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`18:32.04`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`jaytee: I'll repartition, etc if I get around to thinking Xen.`
`18:32.29`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`jaytee: as it is I think I'll install Ubuntu on dual boot...`
`18:32.40`	`jaytee`	`so what's running on it now? XP?`
`18:32.42`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`jaytee: and make an extra in a VirtualBox VM`
`18:32.46`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`jaytee: Yup...`
`18:33.03`	`jaytee`	`with SP2? or (gags) SP3`
`18:34.58`	`StephenF[W]`	`is there a way to check if an extension is valid before passing the call to a macro?`
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`18:36.39`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`jaytee: SP3.`
`18:37.16`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`StephenF[W]: "core show application chanisavail"`
`18:37.43`	`StephenF[W]`	`awesome, thx`
`18:39.47`	`jaytee`	`[TK]D-Fender, well, if it's a clean install then SP3 will probably work out, 2 out of 3 systems I've updated to SP3 from SP2 here have had numerous issues.`
`18:40.05`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`jaytee: Never had any myself...`
`18:40.39`	`jaytee`	`[TK]D-Fender, and if you left enough space on the drive(s) then Ubuntu should detect XP and add the dual boot menu option automatically.`
`18:40.59`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`jaytee: Yeah, I jsut did that at home last night.`
`18:41.32`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`jaytee: Screen was a bitch, and I still have no audio. Work will probably be harder as its an Intel Video chipset and rarer audio I'm better`
`18:41.33`	`jaytee`	`[TK]D-Fender, getting Vista going dual boot is a little more involved since Vista has a new bootloader. It no longer uses ntldr`
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`18:41.56`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`jaytee: I will also have to have work's GRUB to default to windows. Shouldn't be TOO hard`
`18:42.17`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`jaytee: like the rest of the world, I'm in the "fuck Vista" categoty`
`18:42.47`	`jaytee`	`[TK]D-Fender, biggest upgrade config bitch I have to deal with is evertime I install a newer version of Ubuntu on my home system with an Nvidia card. I have 2 19" WS LCD panels and getting Twinview with Xorg working right is a major pain.`
`18:43.20`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`jaytee: Yeah, I remember you mentioning that... twinview for sure has to be the worst. Its enough for me jsut to get my WS period...`
`18:43.52`	`jaytee`	`[TK]D-Fender, Vista is the red-headed stepchild of Microsoft operating systems. Even the company itself would love to see it just go away or have never been born.`
`18:44.31`	`mort_gib`	`jaytee: Yeah I'm getting the "me" feeling too`
`18:45.35`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`jaytee, mort_gib : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6FnE6y9JIM ;)`
`18:45.43`	`jaytee`	`Vista is like Me with an aesthetic makeover and MS Bob stripped out with added hardware demands.`
`18:48.07`	`magronez`	`is away: fui`
`18:48.38`	`mort_gib`	`:-) I had people flaming me for complaining about performance... M$ dumb clowns :-)`
`18:48.45`	`mort_gib`	`That was funny TK!`
`18:49.20`	`bertinskiz`	`one things for certain...it WILL be the only workstation class OS that MS supports soon enough`
`18:49.36`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`mort_gib: Thought you'd like it :)`
`18:49.45`	`mort_gib`	`Yeah :-)`
`18:49.53`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`bertinskiz: You mean MS is going to actually support something?`
`18:49.53`	`mort_gib`	`btw I don't use MS anymore`
`18:50.30`	`bertinskiz`	`for 250.00 per call...lol`
`18:50.37`	`mort_gib`	`TK: come on, "Welcome to Microsoft, may I take your credit card number??" "-Uhm don't you want my name first??"`
`18:51.03`	`jameswf`	`neat http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3cFSgVGw0I`
`18:52.25`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`jameswf: Very Texan...`
`18:52.46`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`jameswf: I'm just waiting for the first wave of deaths & lawsuits :)`
`18:53.28`	`jameswf`	`[TK]D-Fender: there is a disclaimer at the end`
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`18:54.23`	`jameswf`	`Free Starbucks tomorow if you vote (thursday for dems`
`18:55.00`	`mort_gib`	`Anyway, going home time... Bye`
`18:55.29`	`jaytee`	`Obama the musical opens in Nairobi this week`
`18:55.54`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`jaytee: Did they get Ladysmith Mumbasa for it?`
`18:56.13`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Weeeeeeembowop!`
`18:56.23`	`jaytee`	`It was just a short news blurb, I didn't dig around for the casting list.`
`18:56.33`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Ladysmith Mumbasa*`
`18:56.53`	`jameswf`	`heh http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/mccain-qvc-open/805381/`
`18:57.48`	`jaytee`	`jameswf, the Ben Affleck doing Keith Olbermann is outrageous and dead on.`
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`19:05.18`	`Carlos_PHX`	`hardwire: Your idea about Verizon is interesting, sounds like you have some experience with that?`
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`19:07.11`	`hardwire`	`Carlos_PHX: nope.. but getting in touch with eager beavers in the resale department should be pretty easy`
`19:07.35`	`hardwire`	`if you already resell any hardware, or do VAR, then you can use those as your references.`
`19:07.58`	`hardwire`	`sometimes companies like that evaluate your NAICS status, but you're a telco of sorts, right?`
`19:08.01`	`hardwire`	`so it should be all good.`
`19:08.23`	`hardwire`	`just tell em you have a business sales staff and you want their "packet" :P`
`19:10.25`	`citywok`	`does anybody know why an fxs_ls trunk in asterisk would stay open, even after the call was terminated from the other side, or how i could debug it to figure out why?`
`19:10.55`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Yeah, we're not a CLEC but sort of a phone co`
`19:11.10`	`tzafrir_laptop`	`citywok, because the fxo side decides when to hang up`
`19:11.58`	`hardwire`	`citywok: what do you have it hooked up to?`
`19:12.12`	`citywok`	`according to zttool, when i open the T1, it shows RxA & RxC as 0, and B&D as 1`
`19:12.25`	`citywok`	`if i dial in, it flashes B&D to 0 to signal an incoming call`
`19:12.46`	`citywok`	`but A&C never go to 1, even after the call is established. should they? -- when the call is established, TxA&C both to go 1`
`19:12.55`	`hardwire`	`citywok: your telco is giving you analog via pri?`
`19:13.16`	`citywok`	`i'm connecting my pbx to asterisk, not telco`
`19:13.22`	`hardwire`	`ok, woot :)`
`19:14.15`	`hardwire`	`citywok: I dunno how to fix your problem, but I'd strongly suggest using nisdn2 and pri`
`19:14.33`	`hardwire`	`if your pbx can configure itself thusly`
`19:14.41`	`hardwire`	`it's soooo much less stupid`
`19:14.44`	`citywok`	`i need to use fxs, because on my PBX we are setting it up as OPX trunks, which makes them a normal 4 digit extension`
`19:15.07`	`hardwire`	`citywok: the size of your extension it cares not.`
`19:15.16`	`citywok`	`so i can 4digit extension dial a T1 port like it's an actual phone -- an "OPX" trunk is actually fxo`
`19:15.21`	`hardwire`	`and the dialplan can take care of post-dialing`
`19:15.54`	`citywok`	`yea, but i can't do what i want with anything other then an OPX trunk -- i'm trying to set a huntgroup with a 4 digit extension, that i can dial from any location, that will route to this T1 -- which will be a MeetMe conference bridge`
`19:16.22`	`citywok`	`it works, except that it never hangs up the call on the asterisk side`
`19:16.43`	`hardwire`	`citywok: maybe somebody here knows what you're up against.. I'm still thinking just use better trunking.`
`19:16.53`	`hardwire`	`I hate hangup issues.`
`19:17.07`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Especially chicks with hangup issues.`
`19:17.10`	`citywok`	`yea, my other option is to use a 10digit phone number for the conference bridge, and pick it up when it goes out the LD`
`19:17.18`	`hardwire`	`Carlos_PHX: and dial issues.`
`19:17.27`	`citywok`	`but people want an easy to remember 4 digit number, not a long 10digit`
`19:17.40`	`hardwire`	`citywok: so.. your PBX can't pass 4 digit over digital trunks?`
`19:17.51`	`hardwire`	`cause the unknown dialplan totally allows for that`
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`19:18.21`	`citywok`	`it's the way the pbx handles it's own routing of the trunk. i can't add an E&M trunk or PRI trunk to a hunt group`
`19:18.22`	`hardwire`	`and, obviously it can't do pattern matching if it only allows 7 or 10 digit.`
`19:18.34`	`hardwire`	`citywok: what PBX?`
`19:18.40`	`citywok`	`Inter-Tel AXXESS`
`19:18.45`	`ana_micho`	`hi all,I need to know please if there is a new version of asterisk that supports VAD`
`19:18.51`	`hardwire`	`you don't need a hunt group if you tell it to go to the PRI.`
`19:19.26`	`citywok`	`yea, i can dial the trunk group itself, as a 5digit extension, and that would be fine`
`19:19.27`	`hardwire`	`unless your splitting it against local phones and the asterisk trunk`
`19:19.29`	`hardwire`	`and even then.. wtf..`
`19:19.38`	`*** join/#asterisk drwelby (n=mpfister@mail.enplan.com)`
`19:19.40`	`hardwire`	`citywok: btw.. I almost burned my inter-tel pbx`
`19:19.42`	`hardwire`	`like`
`19:19.50`	`hardwire`	`I got very close several times to lighting it on fire`
`19:19.53`	`citywok`	`except you can only do that from the local pbx, if you are on another node, you can not dial that trunk group`
`19:20.02`	`citywok`	`hahahahahaha, inter-tel is a bunch of jackasses`
`19:20.06`	`citywok`	`we are in a huge battle with them right now`
`19:20.08`	`hardwire`	`call them and make them fix it`
`19:20.10`	`hardwire`	`oh`
`19:20.13`	`hardwire`	`so you've done that`
`19:20.23`	`citywok`	`they threatened to come pick it up a few times`
`19:20.29`	`hardwire`	`citywok: sorry bro.. you're fighting a very pissy battle`
`19:20.38`	`citywok`	`so we dropped 5grand on an ebay auction.. 700 phones, 10 cabinets, axxess 10.0 atm system`
`19:20.45`	`hardwire`	`drop their sorry butts and ask for a refund.. then do it all in Asterisk`
`19:21.09`	`citywok`	`we considered it, but we aren't ready to make that switch, as a call center absolutely everything in our business is tied into our phone system`
`19:21.45`	`citywok`	`currently we are only using asterisk for T1 -> sip conversion for LD, and for recording phonecalls`
`19:21.54`	`Carlos_PHX`	`citywok: I've converted a number of call centers to Asterisk-only and it's much better than legacy.`
`19:22.00`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Scary to think about, but better.`
`19:22.05`	`hardwire`	`heh`
`19:22.08`	`citywok`	`how did you handle all of the systems integrations?`
`19:22.14`	`hardwire`	`citywok: the wiring is a huge issue for you right?`
`19:22.16`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Just did it.`
`19:22.18`	`hardwire`	`you only have 2 air to each station?`
`19:22.24`	`Carlos_PHX`	`What size call center?`
`19:22.24`	`hardwire`	`air/pair`
`19:22.40`	`citywok`	`only 200 ppl`
`19:22.50`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Significant but not a huge challenge.`
`19:22.54`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Analog stations?`
`19:22.56`	`citywok`	`1 phone 1 ethernet, but if we did it it would be fine`
`19:23.05`	`citywok`	`we would just get usb headsets and softphone everybody`
`19:23.14`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Well, there you go, easy.`
`19:23.30`	`Carlos_PHX`	`I've done a few with channel banks to keep legacy analog dialers.`
`19:23.34`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Annoying but works.`
`19:23.51`	`citywok`	`most of it for us is tying all of the phone projects in, all of the reporting, the ACD logins, hunt groups, etc.`
`19:24.07`	`hardwire`	`citywok: srsly.. just get them headphones :)`
`19:24.18`	`hardwire`	`haha.. lol.. /me laughs at inter-tel`
`19:24.19`	`hardwire`	`damn you!`
`19:24.26`	`hardwire`	`I had an Axxes64`
`19:24.29`	`hardwire`	`or something like that`
`19:24.35`	`hardwire`	`it.. ate.. my.. soul..`
`19:24.54`	`hardwire`	`you can tell your purchasing/management that inter-tel was a bad purchase, so says hardwire and Carlos_PHX`
`19:24.59`	`hardwire`	`and that it eats souls`
`19:25.03`	`ana_micho`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:25.09`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Intertel...ugh`
`19:25.12`	`citywok`	`haha, my mgmt and i discussed the asterisk conversion`
`19:25.18`	`citywok`	`for a couple days actually`
`19:25.23`	`hardwire`	`citywok: the dialplan is easy..`
`19:25.29`	`hardwire`	`the provisioning is a snap`
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`19:25.38`	`hardwire`	`it's just not widgety`
`19:26.13`	`hardwire`	`citywok: what campaign types?`
`19:26.16`	`citywok`	`i can handle an asterisk system, and so can he, we've both used it quite a bit -- we just aren't ready to make the leap, it'd end up costing us a small fortune in time anyways`
`19:26.16`	`hardwire`	`any outbound?`
`19:26.31`	`citywok`	`90% outbound, 10% inbound -- mostly marketing type stuff for msft`
`19:26.42`	`citywok`	`event recruitment, msft partner program stuff`
`19:27.02`	`hardwire`	`see.. I love helping people with phone system issues`
`19:27.07`	`hardwire`	`but I hate thinking about what I've done`
`19:27.11`	`*** join/#asterisk stoffell (n=stoffell@d51A4D2C2.access.telenet.be)`
`19:27.15`	`hardwire`	`enabling outbound call campaigns that bother a million people daily.`
`19:27.23`	`citywok`	`we don't do that kinda stuff`
`19:27.25`	`hardwire`	`it's all good business, and it needs to be done.`
`19:27.34`	`citywok`	`ours is all business to business, pre-established relationship`
`19:27.48`	`hardwire`	`but.. sigh.. I've made millions of people curse at 7pm right in the middle of dinner.. I feel shame!`
`19:27.53`	`hardwire`	`citywok: ah :)`
`19:27.57`	`citywok`	`u should! haha`
`19:28.15`	`hardwire`	`I'm setting up a recorder for a customer that does all outbound`
`19:28.16`	`hardwire`	`surveys`
`19:28.34`	`hardwire`	`8 t1's worth`
`19:28.35`	`hardwire`	`it's cute.`
`19:28.40`	`citywok`	`argh, ur a bastard! lol`
`19:28.44`	`hardwire`	`I know right.`
`19:28.55`	`hardwire`	`now all the people that want to bother you and need to record you at the same time can do it.`
`19:29.14`	`citywok`	`not that it's tough to build a recording system`
`19:29.17`	`citywok`	`Monitor()`
`19:29.25`	`hardwire`	`good news is it gives infallible evidence of the bothered person ratio`
`19:29.41`	`hardwire`	`citywok: it's tough when they need more than just that.`
`19:29.57`	`citywok`	`heh, i built a screenrecording + call recording system for our call center`
`19:29.57`	`hardwire`	`we're moving everything to ram, then off to disk when the file is completed, using ext4 extents`
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`19:29.59`	`hardwire`	`it's interesting.`
`19:30.09`	`citywok`	`yea ramdisk /var/spool/asterisk/monitor`
`19:30.14`	`hardwire`	`and they need to turn on/off things`
`19:30.29`	`hardwire`	`and different prompts for different campaigns signified via the dialplan`
`19:30.29`	`citywok`	`screenrecording is where it gets really interesting`
`19:30.38`	`hardwire`	`they have modems in all their agent stations that do the dialing`
`19:30.40`	`CGMChris`	`I have a new problem. I am using 2 sip trunks, but one is not registering and is reported as unreachable. Debug information says "Really destroying SIP dialog '4324f99b218e540b2d18d91317baeb01@127.0.0.1' Method: REGISTER". Can anybody tell me why 1 trunk is using the correct IP and the other is using 127.0.0.1 ?`
`19:30.42`	`hardwire`	`it's sick`
`19:30.42`	`citywok`	`record the agents screen that is making the call :P`
`19:30.54`	`hardwire`	`one day they will let me make it better`
`19:30.58`	`citywok`	`lol`
`19:31.01`	`hardwire`	`then they can do 2 million annoying calls a night`
`19:31.36`	`hardwire`	`CGMChris: pastebin some of your dialplan and sip.conf relating to it`
`19:31.51`	`stoffell`	`mISDN segfaults when unloading kernel module, how can i troubleshoot this best?`
`19:31.55`	`hardwire`	`ana_micho: whats VA?`
`19:32.04`	`hardwire`	`oh.. VAD :)`
`19:32.16`	`hardwire`	`speex trunks support it just fine :P`
`19:32.40`	`hardwire`	`at least I thought they did.`
`19:32.43`	`lesouvage`	`Is it correct if I say that all the supported sound formats should be mono and with a sample rate of 8000. Does someone fixing the soundfile needs any more info than this?`
`19:33.04`	`hardwire`	`stoffell: did you search the list?`
`19:33.11`	`citywok`	`hardwire: when you record audio, how do you handle the different volume levels?`
`19:33.31`	`hardwire`	`lesouvage: sounds like a plan, if you have the codec converters to handle it.`
`19:33.38`	`stoffell`	`hardwire, yes, it looks like some other people got the same problem`
`19:33.43`	`CGMChris`	`hardwire: http://pastebin.com/d2ffa1f19`
`19:33.45`	`hardwire`	`citywok: I volnorm when they access the sound files.`
`19:34.20`	`hardwire`	`turn on qualify on gizmo5`
`19:34.20`	`citywok`	`volnorm? where does that come from?`
`19:34.30`	`hardwire`	`citywok: you can use normalizeaudio to handle it`
`19:34.32`	`hardwire`	`or sox`
`19:34.45`	`citywok`	`yea, i use sox`
`19:34.51`	`hardwire`	`they want volume normalization as well as compressed time`
`19:34.53`	`citywok`	`the compand function`
`19:35.03`	`citywok`	`it's not perfect though`
`19:35.05`	`CGMChris`	`hardwire: same result with or without qualify`
`19:35.07`	`lesouvage`	`hardwire: a voiceover is going to the studio and the customer comes back with recordings. It would be nice if they return them in formats that Asterisk can handle. would this be enough instruction?`
`19:35.28`	`hardwire`	`wsola and yatm are neat speed adjusters`
`19:35.37`	`hardwire`	`CGMChris: it says it's unavailable with qualify?`
`19:35.43`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`lesouvage: Usually enough just to get CD quality and down-mix yourself`
`19:35.51`	`CGMChris`	`hardwire: Actually it says "UNREACHABLE"`
`19:36.00`	`hardwire`	`lesouvage: no.. do it yourself`
`19:36.00`	`citywok`	`so you dont normalize the audio when you write it to disk, you di it on playback?`
`19:36.06`	`hardwire`	`CGMChris: then.. it's unreachable.`
`19:36.11`	`citywok`	`is that because you only listen to 1/100th of your calls, so why normalize them all?`
`19:36.17`	`hardwire`	`lesouvage: set up a script that does it for you using sox..`
`19:36.25`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`CGMChris: Go prove your DNS & routing is functional.`
`19:36.27`	`hardwire`	`citywok: all on demand for that reason`
`19:36.29`	`CGMChris`	`hardwire: It's not unreachable... the issue is the wrong IP is being used when registering, I believe.`
`19:36.41`	`citywok`	`figures, i do it all automatically, for every call, right now`
`19:36.47`	`hardwire`	`citywok: when I feed them the file it's a stream from the normalization output, and I cache the result.`
`19:36.54`	`hardwire`	`and I use nice`
`19:37.03`	`hardwire`	`in this system I'll be uding linux-rt`
`19:37.05`	`hardwire`	`using`
`19:37.10`	`citywok`	`i have a quad core running under 20% load, so it doesnt matter lol`
`19:37.12`	`hardwire`	`so It will be super super super low priority`
`19:37.17`	`hardwire`	`citywok: yar.`
`19:37.23`	`CGMChris`	`hardwire: here is pastebin of logging... sometimes it uses 10.0.0.12, sometimes it decides to use 127.0.0.1 -> http://pastebin.com/d3c37ef90`
`19:37.28`	`hardwire`	`citywok: how many concurrent channels?`
`19:37.35`	`citywok`	`30-40`
`19:37.41`	`lesouvage`	`hardwire & [TK]D-Fender: thanks, so just a normal cd with the voiceprompts and go from there?`
`19:37.51`	`citywok`	`coming in T1, going out SIP, recording the call with monitor, and then SOX + MP3 Conversion for each call`
`19:38.04`	`hardwire`	`lesouvage: yeh.. that way you can adjust silence on the end and beginning then already have scripts to re-transcode them`
`19:38.14`	`citywok`	`and then mencoder to mux together AVI + mp3 for the computers with screen recording turned on`
`19:38.17`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`lesouvage: Sure. Do you think they can turn HQ to LQ any better than you can? If not, just convert them yourself`
`19:38.21`	`hardwire`	`citywok: doing t1-t1.. 4 pri per chassis`
`19:38.48`	`citywok`	`:P`
`19:39.15`	`hardwire`	`citywok: ooh neat`
`19:39.36`	`citywok`	`whats neat?`
`19:39.37`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`CGMChris: And check your hosts file while you're at it`
`19:39.38`	`hardwire`	`CGMChris: can you ICMP ping the gateway from your asterisk box?`
`19:39.39`	`lesouvage`	`hardwire & [TK]D-Fender: I have some nifty software for this on my macbook, the point is I do not use that on a regular basis. I ormally use my voicepromptrecording routine as part of the dialplan.`
`19:39.43`	`hardwire`	`citywok: the muxing`
`19:39.55`	`hardwire`	`err.. gizmo5's gateway`
`19:39.59`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`lesouvage: then this will be a limited run deal`
`19:40.02`	`citywok`	`oh, yea. it revolutionized our QA system`
`19:40.14`	`hardwire`	`CGMChris: also.. what did gizmo5 have to say?`
`19:40.20`	`lesouvage`	`[TK]D-Fender: ?`
`19:41.00`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`lesouvage: Most recodings through your dialplan script, and these few via an agengy in HQ wihlch you'll transcode yoruself`
`19:41.07`	`CGMChris`	`hardwire: nslookups work. pings are blocked (with all other ICMP) at the router.`
`19:41.19`	`hardwire`	`CGMChris: nslookup means nothing :P`
`19:41.27`	`lesouvage`	`[TK]D-Fender::-)`
`19:41.31`	`lesouvage`	`[TK]D-Fender: :-)`
`19:42.08`	`hardwire`	`CGMChris: I'd call gizmo5`
`19:42.28`	`hardwire`	`CGMChris: this asterisk machine doesn't have multiple IP gateways on it, does it?`
`19:42.30`	`CGMChris`	`hardwire: The gizmo5 software client works on my PC... just not from Asterisk. Their system appears to be working fine`
`19:42.45`	`CGMChris`	`hardwire: The machine goes out through a multiwan router.`
`19:42.56`	`hardwire`	`same with your PC?`
`19:43.01`	`CGMChris`	`hardwire: Yes.`
`19:43.07`	`backblue`	`guys, why dahdi in 1.6 says "Unknown signalling method 'pri_net'" when load chan_dahdi.so?`
`19:43.11`	`hardwire`	`is there preference set up in the router for the asterisk box?`
`19:43.21`	`orkid`	`i dont understand, how come i dont need a sip proxy, or any special settings while using asterisk to call out using poivy (betamax service)... i'm behind a linux router (openwrt)`
`19:43.26`	`hardwire`	`or have you set the preferred external IP in sip.conf on your asterisk box?`
`19:43.59`	`hardwire`	`CGMChris: I've done 3-wan -> asterisk.. it's a pita`
`19:44.09`	`hardwire`	`not asterisks fault`
`19:44.14`	`CGMChris`	`hardwire: After the router connects the first time to a host, it remembers Src IP,Dest IP,WAN Line... and all traffic goes thru that line`
`19:44.43`	`CGMChris`	`hardwire: If I knew how to set preferred external IP in sip.conf I'd be set`
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`19:45.21`	`denon`	`CGMChris: [general]`
`19:45.21`	`denon`	`externip=63.182.70.1`
`19:45.25`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`CGMChris: I see no confirmation of your DNS being functional, no SIP debug for the actual communications, no proof that your routing out to the internet is sane, that your SIP.CONF is confured properly for its environment.`
`19:45.39`	`comfrey`	`hey all... i have a ring group setup to ring group 1 for 15 sec and then go to ring group 2...`
`19:45.39`	`denon`	`and localnet`
`19:45.45`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`CGMChris: Read up :`
`19:45.47`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`~sipnat`
`19:45.47`	`jbot`	`[~sipnat] Quick guide on configuring * + SIP behind NAT : http://www.aocomputing.net/?p=3 , otherwise check the WIKI at http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+SIP+NAT+solutions`
`19:45.48`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`^^^^^^^^^`
`19:46.03`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`CGMChris: I'm quite sure you've been linked to this a few times...`
`19:46.03`	`comfrey`	`what is happening is after 15 sec incoming calls get some upstream message from our provider.`
`19:46.15`	`comfrey`	`anyone know why this might be hapening?`
`19:46.30`	`hardwire`	`whats the message?`
`19:46.36`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`comfrey: You get a message from THEM... well, what are they SAYING?`
`19:46.50`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`comfrey: PASTEBIN is your friend...`
`19:46.51`	`hardwire`	`hands [TK]D-Fender some chai`
`19:46.52`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`~pb`
`19:46.53`	`jbot`	`[~pb] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste`
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`19:47.01`	`comfrey`	`[TK]D-Fender: that i have reached a (provider) autoattendant`
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`19:47.17`	`hardwire`	`comfrey: lol.. what provider? yikes.`
`19:47.25`	`comfrey`	`integra telecom.`
`19:47.26`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`hardwire: I'll haev some Aloo gohbi, channa masala, and some papri to go with that please...`
`19:47.40`	`comfrey`	`i wonder why the call gets pushed back to them`
`19:47.41`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`comfrey: PASTEBIN the call.`
`19:47.45`	`corp186`	`I'm new to asterisk and I picked up an off brand x100p card to connect to my POTS line`
`19:47.45`	`comfrey`	`ok...`
`19:47.54`	`corp186`	`I'm having trouble finding information on where to start the configuration`
`19:47.57`	`denon`	`mistake #1 :)`
`19:47.58`	`corp186`	`particularly for the x100p`
`19:48.09`	`denon`	`x100p isnt really recommended anymore (never really was)`
`19:48.09`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`corp186: X100P is a flaming piece of shit.`
`19:48.15`	`denon`	`uh, yeah, that`
`19:48.18`	`Carlos_PHX`	`comfrey: I may have missed a message on this, but...`
`19:48.25`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Are you specifically answering the call?`
`19:48.28`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Is this a PRI?`
`19:48.28`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`corp186: I'm sorry... I shouldn't insult SHIT like that with this kind of comparison...`
`19:48.30`	`hardwire`	`[TK]D-Fender: you're gonna make me spend good money on Indian food today.. aren't you.`
`19:48.42`	`hardwire`	`I was hoping to just heat up a pizza.. but that plan is paled now.`
`19:48.43`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`hardwire: :D`
`19:48.46`	`corp186`	`can you explain why?`
`19:48.55`	`Carlos_PHX`	`We use Integra and they will take a call back if we play media without answering.`
`19:49.12`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`corp186: Poor CID detection, IRQ handling, PCI interface, Call disconnect issues, etc`
`19:49.12`	`corp186`	`I'm not doing this for any high end production environment`
`19:49.24`	`denon`	`corp186: I wouldnt even use it to test things at home`
`19:49.33`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`corp186: Anyways, aside from out obvious disdain for your choice of card.... whats your issue?`
`19:49.48`	`hardwire`	`[TK]D-Fender: we should write docs on tcpdumps syntax to isolate between two peers`
`19:49.50`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`denon: I would... if it were free and didn't really care much :)`
`19:49.51`	`HeMan`	`here in Sweden it's dirt cheap to get a sip line from the big phone companies, how is it in other parts of the world?`
`19:49.55`	`corp186`	`I'm having trouble finding out where to even start really...`
`19:49.58`	`hardwire`	`asterisks debug interface isn't very easy to deal with`
`19:50.01`	`corp186`	`I emerged asterisk and dahdi on gentoo`
`19:50.15`	`corp186`	`but I'm not sure what docs are the most up to date`
`19:50.35`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`corp186: DHADI is set up pretty much identical to Zaptel. its jsut a rename and a repackaging o fhte tools into 2 lots`
`19:50.49`	`comfrey`	`http://pastebin.com/d2f74509d`
`19:50.49`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`corp186: Read the DOCS in the DAHDI package.`
`19:50.59`	`HeMan`	`it's a lot cheaper to get a sip line than buying any type of card to get "regular" phonelines in to the computer`
`19:51.03`	`corp186`	`would you be able to point me to some docs you would recommend to start out?`
`19:51.16`	`StephenF[W]`	`Would you guys seperate voice and data into seperate vlans, or subnets, or both for a small office <10 users? Or just leave it all together?`
`19:51.28`	`corp186`	`all I want to try is to make a SIP gateway so I can connect to it over VOIP and have calls transferred over my POTS line`
`19:51.56`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`comfrey: Who's IVR are they hearing? Telco VM?`
`19:51.57`	`comfrey`	`[TK]D-Fender: any idea from the logs?`
`19:52.01`	`comfrey`	`yes`
`19:52.09`	`comfrey`	`it rings in fine...`
`19:52.18`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`comfrey: thats because you aren't ANSWERING the call first`
`19:52.32`	`comfrey`	`and then gets kicked out instead of moving on to the next ring group`
`19:52.37`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`comfrey: Your setup rings your phones and if one of them answered everytrhing would be fine.`
`19:52.53`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`comfrey: If you want to do this you need to fors the line to be answered first`
`19:53.06`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`comfrey: However you are running FreePBX which is NOT supported here`
`19:53.15`	`comfrey`	`i see...`
`19:53.22`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`comfrey: Go visit #freepbx to see how you can acheive this`
`19:53.32`	`comfrey`	`so i should throw the call into a queue or something first?`
`19:53.35`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`comfrey: For the rest of us, this is 1 line of dialplan.`
`19:53.44`	`comfrey`	`interesting.`
`19:53.46`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`comfrey: No, you jsut need a single ANSWER at the start`
`19:54.11`	`corp186`	`[TK]D-Fender, any thoughts on good beginning configuration docs?`
`19:54.18`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`~book`
`19:54.19`	`jbot`	`i guess book is Asterisk: The Future of Telephony 2nd Edition (ISBN 0-596-51048-9) --- Order yours at http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/9780596510480/ --- Free downloadable PDF http://downloads.oreilly.com/books/9780596510480.pdf --- HTML at http://tfot.leifmadsen.com or see ~buybook`
`19:54.23`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`~jerjerguide`
`19:54.24`	`jbot`	`[~jerjerguide ] Jeremy McNamara's quick sample guide to setting up * : http://www.jeremy-mcnamara.com/2007/02/26/how-to-configure-asterisk-your-first-installation/`
`19:54.27`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`corp186: There.`
`19:54.42`	`corp186`	`thanks`
`19:55.15`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`corp186: Google up other sample configs concerning the X100P... All Zaptel anaog is pretty much the same, jsut read the DAHDI docs on the new config file names. The overall scheme is the same`
`19:55.16`	`jaytee`	`StephenF[W], with only 10 users it's probably all right to leave it as is. In an ideal world where cost is no object, a separate voice network is preferable but usually too costly for most and with more than 30 users or so it's advised to at least go with vlans and QoS.`
`19:55.27`	`corp186`	`ok`
`19:55.49`	`corp186`	`I also just realized the gentoo voip overlay must be out of date as it only has up to 1.27`
`19:56.07`	`hardwire`	`sorta?`
`19:56.22`	`hardwire`	`1.2 and 1.4 and 1.6 are all still supported, updated, etc..`
`19:56.23`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`corp186: I'm going to try to be clear on this...`
`19:56.29`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`corp186: as much as I can....`
`19:56.38`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`corp186: FUCK PACKAGES.`
`19:56.39`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`:)`
`19:56.51`	`hardwire`	`bah.. I love my packages.`
`19:56.55`	`corp186`	`I understand where you are coming from`
`19:56.56`	`hardwire`	`not to sound lewd.`
`19:56.58`	`jaytee`	`I'll bet running Asterisk on gentoo over some other distro on the same hardware will free up at least 3 or 4 cpu cycles :-)`
`19:57.00`	`corp186`	`which is why I tend to run gentoo`
`19:57.08`	`corp186`	`where I can build from source easily if necessary`
`19:57.16`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`corp186: Those people can't maintain erections, much less codebases`
`19:57.50`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`ZING!`
`19:57.51`	`drwelby`	`I'm playing with Presence on some Polycom 320s and 650s. If I call from one extension to another, only the called party's presence changes to busy, not the calling party. Any ideas where I'm screwing up?`
`19:58.16`	`jaytee`	`drwelby? Marcus Welby, M.D.?`
`19:58.19`	`StephenF[W]`	`jaytee, I do want to implement some QoS because we've already had a problem with a large downlaod screwing our voice calls.`
`19:58.32`	`StephenF[W]`	`So im guess VLANS are sufficient`
`19:58.33`	`drwelby`	`jaytee: yuup`
`19:58.41`	`jaytee`	`StephenF[W], that's where VLANs come into play.`
`19:58.59`	`Carlos_PHX`	`StephenF[W]: Was that issue on the LAN or WAN?`
`19:59.13`	`jaytee`	`and QoS to priority voice traffic over any other where the media may mix at certain points.`
`19:59.22`	`jaytee`	`prioritize`
`19:59.23`	`StephenF[W]`	`drwelby I am having that same problem! I've asked in here a few time with no response, let me know if you get anywhere with that.`
`19:59.24`	`Carlos_PHX`	`"Download" implies WAN and VLAN won't help there.`
`20:00.05`	`StephenF[W]`	`Carlos_PHX not by themselves no`
`20:00.21`	`jaytee`	`Carlos_PHX, that depends on if he's sharing his internet connection for both data and voip`
`20:00.26`	`drwelby`	`StephenF[W]: Do you suspect it's a problem in setup or implementation?`
`20:00.26`	`StephenF[W]`	`Carlos_PHX Im assuming there is a way to setup QoS to prioritize incoming voice packets at the router`
`20:00.38`	`Carlos_PHX`	`That won't help either.`
`20:00.43`	`StephenF[W]`	`really?`
`20:00.47`	`StephenF[W]`	`what would you do then?`
`20:00.48`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Your downlink is already flooded at that point.`
`20:01.01`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Your provider needs to prioritize before sending to you.`
`20:01.18`	`Carlos_PHX`	`You control outbound QoS, your provider controls inbound.`
`20:01.40`	`Carlos_PHX`	`What type of connection?`
`20:01.47`	`jaytee`	`yeah, prioritizing on your lan only affects local traffic not wan traffic so you'd need to talk to your ISP.`
`20:02.15`	`StephenF[W]`	`hmm, ok I get it. My line to the ISP will already be saturated so it doesnt matter what I do on my end`
`20:02.27`	`StephenF[W]`	`need to apply QoS before my connection`
`20:02.30`	`Carlos_PHX`	`I have NEVER seen the need for VLAN prioritization.`
`20:02.43`	`jaytee`	`never?`
`20:02.49`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Not once.`
`20:02.58`	`StephenF[W]`	`Carlos_PHX how do you prioritize outgoing voice traffic?`
`20:03.02`	`jaytee`	`what's the maximum number of phones?`
`20:03.14`	`Carlos_PHX`	`The router observes the DSCP tags and does it.`
`20:03.41`	`StephenF[W]`	`drwelby im not sure, I can't figure it out. Asterisk isnt updated at all by the phones it seems.`
`20:03.44`	`Carlos_PHX`	`I think I've never had more than 100-ish phones on a single network.`
`20:04.08`	`Carlos_PHX`	`At some point you run into broadcast domain issues and such anyway.`
`20:04.15`	`Carlos_PHX`	`So you'd split up the network anyway.`
`20:04.55`	`Carlos_PHX`	`StephenF[W]: If your router isn't smart enough to understand the QoS tagging, you'd have to replace it. Same applies to the provider.`
`20:04.58`	`jaytee`	`I could see squeaking by without vlans if I"m on a gig backbone with QoS. If I pushed to 200-250, I'd want to split the traffic.`
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`20:06.34`	`hardwire`	`I'd love to see results of vlan prioritization on switches.`
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`20:08.45`	`StephenF[W]`	`hmm, ok so now to find out if my cisco 1700 router support dscp`
`20:09.04`	`jaytee`	`Carlos_PHX, reason I insisted on using both VLAN and QoS is we have many webcams running, some for security and some accessed over the web. When the security cameras were first installed as part of a Honeywell system they'd set them to multicast and it was causing serious performance degradation with some of our ELAN to CLAN communications for our Nortel equipment.`
`20:09.48`	`StephenF[W]`	`if not, then I can just use vlan priority for my outgoing voice traffic, then my ISP has to setup dscp incoming`
`20:09.58`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Yes, the 1700 will do that.`
`20:10.10`	`StephenF[W]`	`sweet, what is the dscp for asterisk?`
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`20:11.11`	`Carlos_PHX`	`jaytee: Sure, there are special cases that can cause issues, makes sense.`
`20:11.38`	`Carlos_PHX`	`StephenF[W]: You set the tags, I think in sip.conf, I'd have to go look.`
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`20:12.28`	`Carlos_PHX`	`New Wi-MAX radio is here, woohoo. Off to the roof!`
`20:16.19`	`StephenF[W]`	`ahh ok`
`20:25.12`	`jaytee`	`looks like Skype may be on the auction block soon. http://www.fiercevoip.com/story/will-ebay-auction-skype/2008-09-12`
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`20:34.45`	`drwelby`	`Wiring question: I have 6 POTS lines going to a FXO gateway with cables that look like plain, flat telephone cables. Can I bundle them together for cable management or should I use something shielded and/or twisted?`
`20:36.09`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`drwelby: Generally you should be able to tie-wrap them together`
`20:36.42`	`jameswf`	`drwelby: flat cables dont realy offer "quality so you can bind them`
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`20:38.48`	`drwelby`	`Thanks guys`
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`20:42.36`	`monstertruck`	`hello children`
`20:42.49`	`monstertruck`	`can i connect two * boxes with chanskype?`
`20:43.35`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`monstertruck: Now why would you want to do something like that?`
`20:43.39`	`monstertruck`	`im trying to connect two boxes, one has a public ip, all ports open, the other is behind a proxy which only allows 443/tcp through`
`20:44.00`	`monstertruck`	`im trying to avoid tunneling through vpn`
`20:44.01`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`monstertruck: Skype runs off TCP!?`
`20:44.26`	`monstertruck`	`i have no idea, what i know is taht these guys can use skype`
`20:44.34`	`monstertruck`	`and udp ports are all closed`
`20:44.45`	`monstertruck`	`so i assume skype must run over tcp`
`20:44.56`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`monstertruck: use IAX2 w/ qualify then`
`20:45.06`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`monstertruck: And you seemt o be making a lot of assumptions...`
`20:45.10`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`~assume`
`20:45.10`	`jbot`	`About assumptions : http://www.moviewavs.com/php/sounds/?id=gog&media=WAVS&type=Movies&movie=Long_Kiss_Goodnight&quote=assume.txt&file=assume.wav It makes an (ass) out of (u) and (me)`
`20:45.20`	`rwaite`	`[TK]D-Fender: i'd like to ask your help on a one-way audio issue i'm having. i read the documents you reference last time, on nat. it looks like i have a scenario 1, which the doc says im pretty much screwed. i have the asterisk sip 'client' in the dmz, so shouldnt that be fine? or are there issues even with that? i am confused.`
`20:45.47`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`rwaite: many settings to make. read the damn guide this time :)`
`20:45.49`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`~sipnat`
`20:45.50`	`jbot`	`[~sipnat] Quick guide on configuring * + SIP behind NAT : http://www.aocomputing.net/?p=3 , otherwise check the WIKI at http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+SIP+NAT+solutions`
`20:45.53`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`^^^`
`20:46.15`	`rwaite`	`i will again`
`20:46.18`	`rwaite`	`i guess`
`20:46.57`	`rwaite`	`(these docs dont even address the issue of a dmz, though)`
`20:50.23`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`rwaite: tey do`
`20:50.39`	`rwaite`	`? all i see is 'sip client behind nat'`
`20:51.06`	`monstertruck`	`[TK]D-Fender, http://www.nojitter.com/blog/archives/2008/07/blocking_skype.html`
`20:51.13`	`monstertruck`	`search : skype uses tcp`
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`20:53.20`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`monstertruck: painful, and likely to break...`
`20:53.38`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`monstertruck: crappy terms at best. I recommend you actually find out what their situation really is`
`20:53.46`	`monstertruck`	`[TK]D-Fender, unfortunately i dont have many other options`
`20:53.57`	`monstertruck`	`i do know for a fact that udp is not available`
`20:54.10`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`monstertruck: What are they behind?`
`20:54.20`	`monstertruck`	`a very restrictive proxy`
`20:54.34`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`monstertruck: Care to go into a bit more detail....`
`20:54.45`	`monstertruck`	`i wish, thats all i know though`
`20:55.19`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`monstertruck: Not good. Go find out something useful.`
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`20:57.42`	`harry_v`	`just watched the mcain campain clip in colorado and saw one of the campain callers using a polycop`
`20:57.56`	`harry_v`	`polycom :)`
`20:58.38`	`protocols`	`I am experiencing problems with * + multiple virtual network interfaces`
`20:59.07`	`rwaite`	`ok. so i think my best bet is to use the voip version of dd-wrt and connect the asterisk box to the SER in the router, and the SER in the router connect to my itsp`
`20:59.48`	`protocols`	`e.g. I can not login to sip via remote. with single net-interface everything works fine`
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`21:04.18`	`harry_v`	`thats because you have not configured your fw and * for nat.`
`21:05.10`	`protocols`	`hmm any tipps?`
`21:05.35`	`protocols`	`it works with one interface but as soon as I assign a second local ip it does not work anymore`
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`21:11.09`	`rwaite`	`is so confused. i think my server counts as a client and a server. client to my sip provider. and server to my phones. i dont know if i have an issue between the provider, or the phones`
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`21:12.29`	`Katty`	`stretches`
`21:12.31`	`Katty`	`afternoon`
`21:12.51`	`jaytee`	`hewoh`
`21:13.00`	`Katty`	`herroes jaytee`
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`21:14.07`	`Katty`	`today's really sucking, in a way`
`21:14.11`	`Katty`	`and in a way, i really don't care.`
`21:14.22`	`Katty`	`but i do :<`
`21:14.31`	`jaytee`	`I think Digg should rename itself to "You saw this 6 months ago but we're hoping you forgot about it and this site has exceeded it's CPU quota and is temporarily unavailable.com`
`21:14.48`	`Katty`	`try reddit ;)`
`21:14.53`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Katty: Everything I've worked on has been mysteriously broken, so I'm with you.`
`21:15.14`	`Katty`	`Carlos_PHX: mystery breakage i can deal with.`
`21:15.18`	`Katty`	`Carlos_PHX: assorted drama, not so much`
`21:15.36`	`Carlos_PHX`	`You can always have people killed, but servers need to be fixed eventually.`
`21:15.36`	`Katty`	`Carlos_PHX: there's all the he said she said.`
`21:15.56`	`Katty`	`Carlos_PHX: and the talking about other people...and them trying to drag you into the conversation to take sides.`
`21:15.59`	`Katty`	`Carlos_PHX: it's exhausting.`
`21:19.49`	`Carlos_PHX`	`is working on a Grandstream phone, warns channel of upcoming string of expletives.`
`21:20.36`	`Katty`	`:<`
`21:24.40`	`Carlos_PHX`	`is ROFL at Cox's fiber SLA and pricing.`
`21:24.50`	`Carlos_PHX`	`70ms averaged over a month. ROFL`
`21:25.30`	`write__erase`	`Hi . Are there commands in CLI to have informations about RTP streams of an active call ?`
`21:26.41`	`PeterFA`	`Are there any issues with running Asterisk on a server while talking where rkhunter and other such scanners are busy?`
`21:26.51`	`PeterFA`	`Is it just going to be degraded service or no?`
`21:27.01`	`rwaite`	`well, i guess im just an idiot. i dont understand why if my asterisk server is on the dmz nat would have anything to do with this. the ports are open, both for rtp and sip. the only other option would be to put nat=yes for the phones themselves`
`21:27.01`	`StephenF[W]`	`does DSCP ef = DSCP 46?`
`21:27.08`	`PeterFA`	`This is an experimental machine so nothing really matters.`
`21:27.33`	`rwaite`	`i thought nat=yes for a phone's sip entry concerned if only the phone was behind a nat, connecting to a server outside that local network - right?`
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`21:27.59`	`cesar_CR`	`hello guys`
`21:28.32`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`rwaite: because you have ignored all the other blatant settings in the samples`
`21:28.40`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`is off... checkout time..`
`21:29.05`	`rwaite`	`wtf? what settings. i have read the samples over and over, and i have the settings set`
`21:29.59`	`jameswf`	`http://shop.rhinoequipment.com`
`21:30.06`	`jameswf`	`crap rw sorry`
`21:30.17`	`Carlos_PHX`	`rwaite: The samples show things like setting the local subnet and such, do you have all that?`
`21:31.15`	`rwaite`	`yes .. my main question is what to consider my setup. i have a asterisk server in the dmz. sip phones locally, connecting to it using its local address. that server connects to my provider on the internet`
`21:31.23`	`rwaite`	`i have the externip and the localnet setup.`
`21:31.37`	`rwaite`	`i put nat=yes in the config for my provider in sip.cfg`
`21:31.43`	`Carlos_PHX`	`StephenF[W]: 46 is what the phones will set, and Asterisk will if you tell it to.`
`21:32.09`	`Carlos_PHX`	`rwaite: Phones are in DMZ?`
`21:32.20`	`rwaite`	`but i have intermittent one-way audio issues, not all the time, only every once in a while. the outside party can hear us, but we cant hear them`
`21:32.22`	`Carlos_PHX`	`What router?`
`21:32.41`	`rwaite`	`dd-wrt, the phones are not in dmz. them only connect to the asterisk box which has a local address`
`21:32.56`	`StephenF[W]`	`Carlos_PHX right, im just seeing two things DSCP ef and 46, im assuming they are the same thing. Because my switch only has DSCP numbers ef is not listed. 46 is listed...`
`21:33.08`	`rwaite`	`i mean - should i put nat=yes and qualify=yes for the phones?`
`21:33.41`	`rwaite`	`i didnt think i needed them since they are internal to the network that asterisk is on - unless i am a moron and putting the asterisk box in the dmz means its not considered in the local network anymore`
`21:33.44`	`rwaite`	`but i think it is`
`21:33.49`	`Katty`	`my my`
`21:33.52`	`Katty`	`what's all this?`
`21:34.02`	`Katty`	`i can't miss me a natting conversation!`
`21:34.05`	`Carlos_PHX`	`ef = 46`
`21:34.23`	`StephenF[W]`	`perfect`
`21:34.27`	`rwaite`	`and all i get is read this and i have, so i am thinking i have a fundamental misundersyanding here`
`21:34.32`	`Carlos_PHX`	`rwaite: If your phones and server are not in the same subnet, and there is NAT between them, yes.`
`21:34.42`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Why is the server not internal with the phones?`
`21:34.46`	`rwaite`	`no, they are on the same lan`
`21:34.48`	`Katty`	`rwaite: that's very typical with most people in this room.`
`21:35.10`	`rwaite`	`the phones and the asterisk server are on the same switch`
`21:35.14`	`Katty`	`what is the internal ip address of the server?`
`21:35.23`	`rwaite`	`192.168.10.40`
`21:35.30`	`rwaite`	`the phones use .41-49`
`21:35.31`	`Carlos_PHX`	`And what is the IP of a phone?`
`21:35.31`	`Katty`	`and what's one of the phones?`
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`21:35.47`	`rwaite`	`the dd-wrt has the 192.168.10.40 in the dmz`
`21:36.09`	`rwaite`	`without using externip/localnet, etc, i can make and receive calls "fine"`
`21:36.13`	`Carlos_PHX`	`rwaite: "DMZ" is an abused term and doesn't always mean the same thing.`
`21:36.24`	`Carlos_PHX`	`This is not the correct usage, though I understand some routers use it this way.`
`21:36.33`	`Carlos_PHX`	`To some of us, DMZ is a whole other thing.`
`21:36.35`	`Katty`	`let's forget about the DMZ for a moment`
`21:36.44`	`Katty`	`can you ping a phone from the server?`
`21:36.46`	`rwaite`	`so would i be better off removing it from the dmz and forward the ports excliplityly`
`21:36.51`	`rwaite`	`explicitly*`
`21:36.53`	`Carlos_PHX`	`So the server is 192.168.10.40/24 and the phones are in the same subnet?`
`21:36.54`	`Katty`	`oh yes.`
`21:36.59`	`Katty`	`rwaite: always port forward.`
`21:37.00`	`rwaite`	`yes, thats it`
`21:37.01`	`Carlos_PHX`	`rwaite: Forget the DMZ thing.`
`21:37.05`	`Katty`	`rwaite: leaving your server on the DMZ is risky business.`
`21:37.09`	`rwaite`	`i do have the forwarding configured`
`21:37.18`	`rwaite`	`but i assumed it was superfluous with the dmz`
`21:37.23`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Ok, so if phones and server are the same subnet, then no issue there.`
`21:37.26`	`Katty`	`rwaite: well go do that real quick. udp 5060 and the rtp ports.`
`21:37.33`	`Carlos_PHX`	`So the issue is server to provider.`
`21:37.58`	`Katty`	`let me guess, sip trunks?`
`21:38.00`	`bertinskiz`	`hiya katty`
`21:38.04`	`rwaite`	`yes, i think so. as long as the rtp ports are forwarded correctly, i assumed it would work. could it be the router timing the connection out?`
`21:38.09`	`rwaite`	`since it is udp, after all`
`21:38.16`	`rwaite`	`yes, sip`
`21:38.20`	`Katty`	`rwaite: hard to say. some firewalls will require you to first open the ports`
`21:38.31`	`Katty`	`rwaite: and then a second section to forward them to the appropriate IP of the server.`
`21:38.36`	`Katty`	`rwaite: linksys juju usually`
`21:38.47`	`Katty`	`rwaite: there's usually a log tho, which is helpful`
`21:38.50`	`rwaite`	`hmm. this is dd-wrt, so maybe thats what i have to di.`
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`21:39.16`	`rwaite`	`why would this only happen intermittently, though? maybe the provider tries to reconnect the stream and it cant for some reason?`
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`21:39.37`	`Katty`	`calls require 5060 and the rpt ports to work properly`
`21:39.46`	`Katty`	`i've had intermitten problems with one section of a linksys configured right, and the other not`
`21:39.50`	`Katty`	`it makes no sense, to be honest.`
`21:40.05`	`rwaite`	`so if calls are going through at all, then my configs .. should, theoretically, be ok?`
`21:40.10`	`Katty`	`i think that's when i had it forwarded to a particular IP, but the ports themselves weren't opened.`
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`21:40.17`	`Katty`	`rwaite: yes.`
`21:40.28`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Normally I do NO forwarding and let the router figure it out.`
`21:40.36`	`Carlos_PHX`	`And 99% of our customers work that way.`
`21:40.47`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Of course, none have dd-wrt.`
`21:40.52`	`Katty`	`rwaite: calls follow the same logic.`
`21:40.55`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Just plain Linksys or others.`
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`21:41.07`	`Katty`	`we tend to use the RV082`
`21:41.12`	`Carlos_PHX`	`If your SIP connection is outbound, you should not need forwarding.`
`21:41.18`	`rwaite`	`hmm. so when i say 'one-way audio' i think people assume i mean "i dial, they pick up, i dont hear them, they hear me" but thats not what i mean`
`21:41.21`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Forwarding is for remote phones inbound.`
`21:41.30`	`Katty`	`rwaite: that sounds very rtp porty`
`21:41.33`	`rwaite`	`i mean, mid-call, it will sound like they muted their phone`
`21:41.45`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Right, but they can still hear you?`
`21:41.46`	`rwaite`	`but they hear me fine`
`21:41.56`	`Katty`	`could be the rtp port range.`
`21:42.00`	`Carlos_PHX`	`That is one way audio, just happens to start mid-call.`
`21:42.06`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Your router is dropping the port.`
`21:42.18`	`rwaite`	`i see`
`21:42.24`	`Carlos_PHX`	`rwaite: If it was me, I'd first remove all forwarding/DMZ/bullshit and try it.`
`21:42.27`	`rwaite`	`so i need to find some way to keep it open`
`21:42.38`	`Katty`	`good ole port forwarding`
`21:42.44`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Do you have remote phones registering into this server?`
`21:42.48`	`rwaite`	`well, i assumed the dmz would avoid the router having to keep the port open all together`
`21:42.55`	`Katty`	`the dmz is tricky`
`21:42.58`	`Katty`	`best not to use it`
`21:43.03`	`rwaite`	`no, no remote phones`
`21:43.12`	`Katty`	`jbot: rtp?`
`21:43.13`	`jbot`	`i heard rtp is The Internet-standard protocol for the transport of real-time data, including audio and video. RTP is used in virtually all voice-over-IP architectures, for videoconferencing, media-on-demand, and other applications. A thin protocol, it supports content identification, timing reconstruction, and detection of lost packets.`
`21:43.13`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Let's see... cheapass router with hacky firmware = random shit`
`21:43.31`	`jaytee`	`quittin time, be back later`
`21:43.31`	`Katty`	`rwaite: whoever is providing your sip trunks should tell you which rtp ports you need open.`
`21:43.35`	`Katty`	`jaytee: bye`
`21:43.37`	`rwaite`	`i see. i know, i'd like to just build a openbsd box but i work with idiots`
`21:43.42`	`Katty`	`rwaite: generally speaking, i believe it's about 10000 to 20000`
`21:43.46`	`jaytee`	`bye Katty`
`21:43.56`	`Carlos_PHX`	`A nice business-class appliance router is the right solution.`
`21:43.59`	`rwaite`	`Katty: i assumed i could specify the ports in rtp.conf?`
`21:44.18`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Barring that, lots of our customers use plain WRT54G`
`21:44.25`	`rwaite`	`i've been using 15000 to 20000`
`21:44.25`	`Katty`	`rwaite: well for your asterisk box sure.`
`21:44.33`	`Katty`	`rwaite: but the SIP provider might have more ports`
`21:44.44`	`Katty`	`checks her firewall`
`21:44.59`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Port forwarding is for inbound connections.`
`21:45.04`	`Carlos_PHX`	`NOT needed for outbound.`
`21:45.10`	`rwaite`	`ok`
`21:45.22`	`Carlos_PHX`	`The router should figure it out.`
`21:45.31`	`Katty`	`yeah my firewall is 10000 to 20000`
`21:45.36`	`Carlos_PHX`	`And if the dd-wrt doesn't, use a generic WRT.`
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`21:46.36`	`rwaite`	`i read in a doc once that some routers have problems maintaining rtp connections over udp`
`21:46.46`	`Carlos_PHX`	`They do.`
`21:46.52`	`Carlos_PHX`	`They should be thrown away and replaced.`
`21:46.55`	`rwaite`	`maybe thats the issue`
`21:46.57`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Since a $60 router can do it.`
`21:47.03`	`rwaite`	`i wonder if there is a way to configure it`
`21:47.11`	`bertinskiz`	`some routers are just plain generic trash...they are not true ALG routers`
`21:47.17`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Your time isn't worth more than 60 bucks?`
`21:47.35`	`rwaite`	`this is a wrt54g, but maybe this firmware is just garbage`
`21:47.49`	`rwaite`	`or maybe i should just buy sometime and tell my boss to shove it`
`21:47.49`	`Katty`	`rwaite: call linksys`
`21:47.56`	`Carlos_PHX`	`I like hacker stuff, but sometimes you just gotta start with something that works.`
`21:47.56`	`Katty`	`rwaite: tell them you want to make sure you've got it setup right`
`21:48.03`	`Katty`	`rwaite: explain to them precisely what you're wanting to do`
`21:48.07`	`StephenF[W]`	`cant call linksys with DD-WRT on your router...`
`21:48.11`	`Katty`	`rwaite: i've had to do that a few times myself.`
`21:48.12`	`Carlos_PHX`	`That said, I do have a customer with a dd-wrt on premises, only three phones though.`
`21:48.28`	`rwaite`	`i didnt set it up anyway, if i had it my way it would be openbsd with pf and friends`
`21:49.08`	`bertinskiz`	`katty with tea and blankies`
`21:49.14`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Known working routers our customers use: Cisco 1700, 2500 series, Juniper Netscreen, WRT54G`
`21:49.32`	`Katty`	`bertinskiz: more like flu and tummy ache today`
`21:49.43`	`Katty`	`wants to go home`
`21:49.49`	`bertinskiz`	`boooh..sorry to hear that...`
`21:50.11`	`Katty`	`eh, i'll be fine eventually`
`21:50.13`	`bertinskiz`	`i took your info regarding bandwidth.com..`
`21:50.17`	`Carlos_PHX`	`!*#%&%^( Grandstream!`
`21:50.21`	`rwaite`	`Carlos_PHX: and they have their own asterisk servers for their phones behind those routers connecting to you?`
`21:50.23`	`Katty`	`Carlos_PHX: /comfort`
`21:50.39`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Our customers with servers have Cisco and Juniper.`
`21:50.47`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Our customers with just phones have all of the above.`
`21:50.55`	`Carlos_PHX`	`However a phone and a server are essentially the same.`
`21:51.04`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Actually a server is lower load on the NAT table.`
`21:51.21`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Oh yeah, and some have Vyatta too.`
`21:51.29`	`Carlos_PHX`	`There's a free version of that, powerful.`
`21:51.42`	`PeterFA`	`Katty, I love you. You know that right?`
`21:51.43`	`rwaite`	`ok... i will look into it.`
`21:51.51`	`Katty`	`PeterFA: you do not parse. please try again.`
`21:51.53`	`rwaite`	`thank you Katty thank you Carlos_PHX`
`21:51.57`	`PeterFA`	`Katty, I love you. You know that right?`
`21:52.02`	`rwaite`	`you have made my night a little easier`
`21:52.20`	`Katty`	`jbot: i think my parser is broken.`
`21:52.20`	`jbot`	`You think my parser is broken.?`
`21:52.31`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Good luck, NAT is a pain but can be overcome.`
`21:52.55`	`rwaite`	`i'm sure by the end of it, i'll be crazy ;)`
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`21:53.35`	`bertinskiz`	`rwaite: im working on some similar issues..`
`21:54.05`	`bertinskiz`	`NAT truly is a pain in the arse`
`21:54.11`	`*** join/#asterisk StephenF[W] (n=none@198.144.201.106)`
`21:54.11`	`tmiw`	`amen.`
`21:54.21`	`tmiw`	`I had to switch to IAX to get my stuff working from behind NAT :/`
`21:54.27`	`harry_v`	`Carlos, didnt you say last week you run a isp with voip service`
`21:54.32`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Yes`
`21:54.40`	`harry_v`	`how long been doing this?`
`21:54.40`	`Carlos_PHX`	`ITSP`
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`21:55.05`	`harry_v`	`you cohost or put the ast boxes on site?`
`21:55.08`	`Carlos_PHX`	`The company has been around for 5 years. We were customers, and bought the company just under two years ago. We were Asterisk people before that.`
`21:55.15`	`kfife`	`.`
`21:55.18`	`Carlos_PHX`	`all of that.`
`21:55.22`	`harry_v`	`okay`
`21:55.26`	`harry_v`	`:`
`21:55.26`	`harry_v`	`)`
`21:55.29`	`bertinskiz`	`i have had to use an iax trunk for functionalities sake during the "development" stage of debugging NAT issues`
`21:55.47`	`Carlos_PHX`	`We sell hosted service, trunking, VMware Asterisk hosts, and we also install on-site.`
`21:55.50`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Depends on needs.`
`21:55.59`	`kfife`	`Quick question. Is there a way to interrogate the DTMFMode for a given sip channel?`
`21:56.06`	`Carlos_PHX`	`The VMware thing is pretty new, but I think will be popular.`
`21:56.17`	`harry_v`	`Carlos, has this dampened economy slowed your services down?`
`21:56.26`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Sped up, people looking to save money.`
`21:56.30`	`harry_v`	`ahh`
`21:56.31`	`harry_v`	`:)`
`21:56.40`	`Carlos_PHX`	`Generally our deployment ROI is under six months, easy sale.`
`21:57.12`	`Carlos_PHX`	`We're also a VMware house, so that keeps us busy too.`
`21:58.00`	`Katty`	`PeterFA: sorry, you're still not parsing.`
`21:58.13`	`bertinskiz`	`im on the edge with VM...was using XEN...`
`21:58.31`	`bertinskiz`	`but now XEN = citrix=MS...+ UGH`
`21:59.22`	`PeterFA`	`Katty, I love you. You know that right?`
`21:59.26`	`ManxPower`	`kfife: DTMF works best if you lock it to a specific mode.`
`21:59.52`	`Daejeo`	`PeterFA:`
`21:59.54`	`ManxPower`	`tmiw: If you had to do that then you didn't read the instructions correctly.`
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`22:00.26`	`tmiw`	`ManxPower: probably. but that particular setup is only a fax line anyway.`
`22:00.59`	`ManxPower`	`tmiw: Ah. FaxOverVoiceOverIP/`
`22:01.19`	`ManxPower`	`if ant is involved, then I guess it would be FaxOverVoiceOverIPOverInternet`
`22:01.40`	`tmiw`	`ManxPower: yeah. T.38 directly to the box with Asterisk on it, which is publically routable`
`22:01.44`	`ManxPower`	`Nothing quite like keeping things simple.`
`22:01.47`	`tmiw`	`which then emails incoming faxes to me :D`
`22:02.21`	`giovani`	`T.38 ftw :)`
`22:02.32`	`Carlos_PHX`	`T.38 is kicking ass in 1.6`
`22:02.34`	`ManxPower`	`tmiw: if you can get T.38 working you are obviously smart enough to make SIP work with NAT`
`22:02.51`	`Katty`	`PeterFA: apparently not. why?`
`22:02.52`	`giovani`	`it's the RTP I tell ya!`
`22:02.57`	`giovani`	`it's always RTP's fault :)`
`22:03.03`	`kfife`	`ManxPower: Thanks. And normally everything is RFC2833. However one particular foreign system wants me to use sip info. I've called SIPDtmfMode(info) just before dial() ing the SIP URI. Still seeing problems, and I wanted to confirm that I'm using that mode for that given call.`
`22:03.08`	`ManxPower`	`giovani: the router should not even know about RTP.`
`22:03.11`	`tmiw`	`ManxPower: I think before I gave up on SIP it was spitting out "405 Method Not Allowed" while registering or something`
`22:03.29`	`giovani`	`ManxPower: with NAT, the router's gonna need to know what ports RTP is planning on using`
`22:03.32`	`ManxPower`	`tmiw: those are almost always a codec issue`
`22:03.38`	`tmiw`	`I don't remember the exact error my softphone gave me, but yeah`
`22:03.53`	`ManxPower`	`giovani: Never needed to do that on any of my SIP nat stuff.`
`22:04.12`	`tmiw`	`interesting, maybe I'll check to see that the codecs match up`
`22:04.14`	`ManxPower`	`The router just sees it at UDP, which it is. RTP is a much higher level protocol that most routers deal with`
`22:04.15`	`giovani`	`uhm, ok`
`22:04.16`	`tmiw`	`when I get home, not now`
`22:04.42`	`giovani`	`ManxPower: I'm sorry, router/firewall, I should've been more explicit`
`22:04.44`	`ManxPower`	`Most routers that DO have RTP/SIP NAT features have those features broken so you should turn them off anyway.`
`22:05.52`	`PeterFA`	`Katty, I don't know.`
`22:05.52`	`ManxPower`	`Also those routers don't work with Asterisk's NAT. Pick one or the other.`
`22:05.52`	`Katty`	`PeterFA: :<`
`22:05.52`	`Katty`	`PeterFA: that's a terrible reason, then.`
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`22:12.38`	`harry_v`	`Brocks Grandmother passed away.`
`22:14.19`	`kfife`	`ManxPower: Found it: If I change DTMFMode on a per-call basis using SIPDtmfMode(). I can confirm that it's using the requested mode by calling CLI>sip show channel [channel name] i.e.(2e867e675c73053708fa594d72ce043c@64.61.92.137). THANKS!`
`22:14.40`	`ManxPower`	`kfife: still not a good idea. set it in sip.conf for that peer`
`22:15.34`	`JohnnyScarlet`	`Hey [TK]D-Fender, someone last week gave me the name of a voip provider that you favor. but i can't recall the name. could you refresh my memory? I'd like to get all these accounts my boss has under ONE provider.`
`22:15.44`	`ManxPower`	`~itsplist`
`22:15.53`	`ManxPower`	`~itsp`
`22:15.53`	`jbot`	`[~itsp] An ITSP is an Internet telephony Service Provider or "VoIP Telephone company". The allow you to either PLACE calls to the PSTN (called Termination), RECEIVE calls from the PSTN (called Origination), or both. Some offer fixed rates, others $/min. Enter ~itsplist-us (USA) or ~itsplist-ca (Canada) for a listing of popular ITSPs`
`22:16.43`	`kfife`	`In this case I don't have a peer. I'm dialing a sip URI on an ad-hoc basis.`
`22:16.52`	`ManxPower`	`you should not do that.`
`22:17.16`	`kfife`	`ManxPower: SIP [general] shows rfc2833. Why not use SIPDtmfMode()`
`22:17.25`	`kfife`	`?`
`22:17.34`	`ManxPower`	`kfife: why dial by ip/hostname when you can dial by peer?`
`22:18.15`	`ManxPower`	`for one thing the sip userid/password is in cleartext in the asterisk logs`
`22:18.16`	`kfife`	`becasue you don't always have a peer set up for every sip URI that you can be given.`
`22:18.38`	`ManxPower`	`kfife: Ah, you are one of "those" people.`
`22:19.54`	`ManxPower`	`I don't suppose anyone has a number for Verizon wireless that actually gets you to a human?`
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`22:20.30`	`kfife`	`ManxPower: :-) SIPDtmfMode is really handy for just such an occasion. Fundamentally I agree with you. If you have a peer, you should define it.`
`22:21.01`	`ManxPower`	`We don't agree at all. I think URIs are a total waste of time and the only real reason to use them is the "coolness factor".`
`22:21.17`	`ManxPower`	`Try dialing a SIP uri from your cell phone or your desk phone`
`22:21.51`	`ManxPower`	`I'm a PSTN person -- all things are phone numbers. You are a URI/URL person -- all things are URLs/URIs.`
`22:22.26`	`lesouvage`	`I'm testing a routine and suddenly there seem to be problems with the dtmf tones in a way that sometimes digits are received twice instead of once. I have done a lot of calling and testing without this problem and there isn't a clear reason why it should start now. Any suggestion?`
`22:22.59`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`BRB`
`22:23.09`	`ManxPower`	`lesouvage: That can easily happen if you 1) use inband DTMF or 2) have relaxdtmf= set.`
`22:23.09`	`lesouvage`	`?`
`22:23.47`	`ManxPower`	`on Zap it can also be a gain issue.`
`22:25.12`	`kfife`	`ManxPower: Point well taken. I like John Todd's Freenum idea. Too bad it's unlikely to reach any critical mass. I can dial FreeNum numbers on my cell phone using a 'calling card' function that automaticaly pre-dials and authenticates using DISA, then dials out using my normal dial plan. My DISA access number has free wireless airtime.`
`22:25.59`	`kfife`	`For $5 per month on Sprint and any 'myfaves' plan on TMobile`
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`22:27.46`	`lesouvage`	`ManxPower: Should I change the DTMF mode to rfc2833`
`22:27.57`	`*** join/#asterisk nhuisman_work (n=nhuisman@aeko.ifa.hawaii.edu)`
`22:28.08`	`nhuisman_work`	`hey has anyone ever used any real time voice modification addons to asterisk?`
`22:28.20`	`nhuisman_work`	`like change voice pitch`
`22:28.31`	`lesouvage`	`ManxPower: The strange thing is that I ahven't had any problems for quite a while.`
`22:31.11`	`denon`	`nhuisman_work: yeah .. there were some toys out there a while back`
`22:31.16`	`denon`	`long while back, I think`
`22:31.35`	`nhuisman_work`	`I think i'm going to call my boss and see what kind of reference they give`
`22:31.36`	`nhuisman_work`	`heh`
`22:33.17`	`harry_v`	`nhuisman_work YEA, THERE are voice pich changers you can buy :)`
`22:33.27`	`nhuisman_work`	`i saw a free one for asterisk`
`22:33.37`	`nhuisman_work`	`guess i"ll just try it`
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`23:00.46`	`jov4n`	`Hi`
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`23:17.26`	`lesouvage`	`ManxPower:I changed to rfc2833 and now it seem to work fine. Still doesn't understand what suddenly causes the problem.`
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`23:58.33`	`*** mode/#asterisk [+o lmadsen] by ChanServ`
`23:58.44`	`lmadsen`	`uhhh... isn't there still supposed to be chan_zap in 1.4?`
`23:58.53`	`lmadsen`	`does not see chan_zap listed as a module in 1.4.22...`

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