IRC log for #asterisk on 20081214

`00:07.50`	`*** join/#asterisk mosty (n=mosty@130.41.233.220.exetel.com.au)`
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`00:10.36`	`*** join/#asterisk andrewn (n=andrew@76-191-212-233.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net)`
`00:15.14`	`*** join/#asterisk jblack (n=jblack@pool-71-181-244-67.sctnpa.east.verizon.net)`
`00:15.29`	`jblack`	`Any one else get an email from call with us today?`
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`00:18.16`	`jblack`	`Never mind. I figured it out. Rate decrease.`
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`00:19.18`	`jblack`	`"Due to the world's unstable situation and our increased expenses, we had to increase call termination rates from 1.25cm to 1.1cm. Sorry for the inconvienance"`
`00:20.24`	`jblack`	`I'll have to email them back, expressing my lack of displeasure.`
`00:20.45`	`russellb_`	`heh`
`00:22.21`	`Juggie`	`seems like they are just dumb`
`00:22.29`	`Juggie`	`was it 1.025 before?`
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`00:22.51`	`jblack`	`Yeah. 1.25 cents/min down to 1.1 cents/min.`
`00:23.06`	`jblack`	`Completely threw me at first, which was why I was looki... well, you get it.`
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`00:27.24`	Yourname`	`How in hell's name can a IP330 be reset to defaults before being re=provisioned again!`
`00:28.27`	`mosty`	`a polycom ip330? i believe the factory reset option is in the advanced settings`
`00:29.30`	`jblack`	`Yeah. I think I've seen that option in advanced settings.`
`00:30.21`	`cnf`	`damnit, why won't asterisk fork properly...`
`00:30.56`	`jblack`	`skips sarcastic silverware comments.`
`00:31.00`	`jblack`	`Check your ulimits/`
`00:31.25`	`cnf`	`don't have any`
`00:31.36`	`jblack`	`ulimit -a, paying particular attention to max user processs, virtual memory, and such.`
`00:31.55`	`cnf`	`yeah, not the problem`
`00:32.11`	`cnf`	`the entire machine has 30 processes`
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`00:33.48`	`cnf`	`asterisk -c works fine, without the -c it doesn't`
`00:34.20`	`jblack`	`...`
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`00:34.33`	`cnf`	`yah`
`00:34.39`	`cnf`	`it's driving me nuts`
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`00:35.23`	`jblack`	`Does asterisk -f work?`
`00:35.51`	Yourname`	`mosty: I know but without network initialization it's not going in there :(`
`00:36.19`	`mosty`	`Yourname: you can enter the settings menu before the phone boots i think`
`00:36.29`	`jblack`	`regardless, I'd try "strace asterisk" to see if you can get why fork is failing.`
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`00:38.35`	`cnf`	`jblack: http://paste.lisp.org/display/72110#1`
`00:38.39`	`cnf`	`already done`
`00:39.03`	`cnf`	`and yea, asterisk -f works fine`
`00:39.29`	`cnf`	`that binds to 5060, creates the controll socket, and accepts SIP connections, and logs and everything`
`00:39.36`	`cnf`	`as soon as i let it fork`
`00:39.38`	`cnf`	`it does nothing`
`00:41.12`	`Corydon76-dig`	`cnf: strace -p 1239`
`00:41.22`	`cnf`	`hold on`
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`00:42.59`	`cnf`	`Corydon76-dig: rt_sigsuspend([]`
`00:43.05`	`cnf`	`that's it`
`00:43.22`	`cnf`	`well, actually, it seems to do a double fork`
`00:44.13`	`cnf`	`so 1239 seems to fork to 1240 1241 and 1242, and then die`
`00:44.13`	`cnf`	`i think`
`00:44.52`	`Corydon76-dig`	`Those aren't forks; those are threads`
`00:45.03`	`cnf`	`oh, ok`
`00:46.13`	`cnf`	`Corydon76-dig: any ideas what might be wrong?`
`00:46.42`	`Corydon76-dig`	`No, I don't directly see anything wrong`
`00:46.43`	`cnf`	`hmm`
`00:47.39`	`cnf`	`it's just so odd, everything does what it should when i start it with -c`
`00:47.50`	`cnf`	`once it forks, it does absolutely nothing`
`00:48.50`	`Corydon76-dig`	`Heh, that's because when you run it as a console, it sends quite a bit to the screen. When you don't, the main thread isn't really responsible for much of anything`
`00:49.05`	`Corydon76-dig`	`and so it stays suspended, for the most part`
`00:49.26`	`cnf`	`Corydon76-dig: but it should at least bind to port 5060 and log and create the control socket, no?`
`00:49.42`	`Corydon76-dig`	`Not that main thread, no. That's a subthread`
`00:49.51`	`cnf`	`well, any thread`
`00:50.04`	`Corydon76-dig`	`Correct`
`00:50.11`	`cnf`	`it isn't`
`00:50.30`	`Corydon76-dig`	`Do you have messages logging turned on?`
`00:50.32`	`cnf`	`it doesn't log, doesn't bind to 5060, doesn't create a control socket when i let it fork`
`00:50.36`	`Corydon76-dig`	`in logger.conf?`
`00:51.39`	`cnf`	`i have messages => notice,warning,error in there`
`00:51.50`	`cnf`	`and it does that nicely when i starrt it with -c or -f`
`00:51.52`	`Corydon76-dig`	`If it can't bind to the port for some reason, it should log a reason for why not in /var/log/asterisk/messages`
`00:52.28`	`cnf`	`yeah, but it doesn't do anything when it forks`
`00:52.39`	`cnf`	`so no logs either`
`00:52.57`	`Corydon76-dig`	`I'd suggest that you chmod -R 777 /var/log/asterisk and try again`
`00:53.11`	`cnf`	`but why does it work the n when i start it with -f ?`
`00:53.30`	`Corydon76-dig`	`What's your platform?`
`00:53.40`	`cnf`	`Linux Bollekes 2.6.26.5 #9 Tue Nov 4 00:35:21 UTC 2008 mips unknown`
`00:54.01`	`Corydon76-dig`	`mips?`
`00:54.03`	`cnf`	`yah`
`00:54.18`	`Corydon76-dig`	`What version of Asterisk are you running`
`00:54.24`	`cnf`	`1.4.12`
`00:54.33`	`cnf`	`sorry`
`00:54.34`	`cnf`	`1.4.21`
`00:54.50`	`Corydon76-dig`	`And what version of glibc?`
`00:55.04`	`cnf`	`euhm lets see`
`00:55.53`	`cnf`	`euhm uClibc-0.9.29 i think`
`00:56.04`	`Corydon76-dig`	`That's probably the problem, right there`
`00:56.26`	`Corydon76-dig`	`Embedded stuff doesn't always work very well and sometimes required a lot of tweaks`
`00:56.38`	`cnf`	`hmz`
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`00:57.10`	`Corydon76-dig`	`There's probably some library call that doesn't work exactly the same way on uclibc, and so the process tanks at a certain point`
`00:57.34`	`cnf`	`crap >,<`
`00:57.46`	`Corydon76-dig`	`So you're left with either running in the background with -c (with something like safe_asterisk or delving into library differences`
`00:58.12`	`cnf`	`what does safe_asterisk do?`
`00:58.37`	`Corydon76-dig`	`It runs Asterisk in the background (but with -c) and restarts Asterisk if it quits for any error`
`00:59.14`	`Corydon76-dig`	`Same basic idea as safe_mysqld`
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`00:59.24`	`cnf`	`hmm`
`00:59.39`	`cnf`	`all this because the damn SPA box doesn't do SIP controll :/`
`01:00.20`	`Corydon76-dig`	`Anyway, I'm off for a few hours`
`01:00.25`	`cnf`	`ok`
`01:00.30`	`cnf`	`thank you for the help anyway`
`01:01.58`	`kerframil`	`RypPn: ping`
`01:02.45`	`cnf`	`anyone here have an SPA3102 or something similar ?`
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`01:19.58`	`andrewn`	`Just starting to play with 1.6, using sip.conf from 1.4, but I get this message that I'm unsure of:WARNING[1371]: chan_sip.c:10352 check_auth: username mismatch, have <vitel-inbound>, digest has <s>`
`01:20.07`	`andrewn`	`when receiving an incoming call from my vitelity DID`
`01:20.33`	`andrewn`	`vitel-inbound is the section heading in sip.conf, but i'm not sure where it is getting the s from (I assume vitelity?)`
`01:24.46`	`*** join/#asterisk codaine (n=Onur@198.64.168.130)`
`01:27.12`	`codaine`	`hi, we just got a TDM800P with 8 FXS ports (2x S400M). when I plug in an analog phone i can get a dialtone, but asterisk won't detect my keypresses. can someone help me with this?`
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`01:30.04`	`cnf`	`ha!`
`01:30.31`	`cnf`	`Corydon76-dig: seems that the specific combination with my version of uclibc and libpthread causes problems`
`01:30.34`	`drmessano`	`What is your SPA-3102 issue?`
`01:30.58`	`cnf`	`drmessano: i can't connect to it with a softphone, and then use the PSTN line`
`01:31.03`	`*** join/#asterisk kamanashisroy (n=kamanash@119.30.34.2)`
`01:31.13`	`drmessano`	`Its not a PBX`
`01:31.37`	`drmessano`	`Not really meant for that`
`01:31.41`	`cnf`	`it does everything else`
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`01:31.53`	`drmessano`	`Everything else how?`
`01:32.26`	`drmessano`	`Thats a pretty broad statement that is easily argued against.. Its a FXO and FXS client bundled with a router`
`01:32.35`	`cnf`	`it will let you connect a phone to a sip server, or fall back to a pstn line, or send a incoming call on the pstn to something that talks sip, etc etc`
`01:32.43`	`drmessano`	`ok`
`01:33.01`	`cnf`	`and hardware wise it has all it needs to be a pbx`
`01:33.18`	`drmessano`	`Well, it doesnt go the next step`
`01:33.20`	`cnf`	`so which is kinda what i need`
`01:33.22`	`drmessano`	`The SPA-9000 does`
`01:33.30`	`cnf`	`yeah, but that is 300+`
`01:33.40`	`cnf`	`and i do not need 16 lines`
`01:33.43`	`cnf`	`i need 1 ^^`
`01:34.19`	`mosty`	`cnf: you'd be better off with a FXO/FXS pci card`
`01:34.32`	`cnf`	`mosty: and put it in what?`
`01:34.38`	`mosty`	`your pbx`
`01:34.40`	`drmessano`	`Not likely`
`01:34.44`	`drmessano`	`He still needs a PBX`
`01:34.45`	`cnf`	`mosty: which one?`
`01:35.01`	`mosty`	`cnf, i thought you already had a sip server`
`01:35.21`	`cnf`	`mosty: no, i have a 200mhz fon router that can just run asterisk`
`01:35.37`	`drmessano`	`So use the SPA-3102 on it`
`01:35.40`	`drmessano`	`and be done with it`
`01:35.49`	`cnf`	`drmessano: yeah, that is whay i am trying to do ^^`
`01:36.04`	`drmessano`	`So what is the problem?`
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`01:36.44`	`cnf`	`well, after many hours of trouble, it seem that the versions of uclibc and libpthread i have do not play well`
`01:36.54`	`cnf`	`causing asterisk to deadlock`
`01:37.04`	`cnf`	`i just figured this out :/`
`01:37.52`	`cnf`	`so i am reinstalling the router`
`01:38.06`	`cnf`	`and then i can start to figure out how to make asterisk do what i need it to ^^`
`01:38.16`	`drmessano`	`Ok ^^`
`01:38.39`	`eppigy`	`hello`
`01:38.41`	`eppigy`	`i am dave`
`01:38.53`	`drmessano`	`So the issues is not with the SPA3102`
`01:38.55`	`cnf`	`drmessano: but trying to deal with the 2 problems at once was doing my head in`
`01:38.56`	`drmessano`	`issue*`
`01:39.07`	`cnf`	`drmessano: well, no, except that i dislike the artificial limitation`
`01:39.12`	`cnf`	`but that is a different thing`
`01:39.26`	`drmessano`	`That they didnt make a $70 box operate like a PBX?`
`01:39.29`	`drmessano`	`... i c`
`01:39.43`	`cnf`	`well, that they have nothing below a 9000`
`01:40.01`	`cnf`	`something 100â¬ ish, with 1 or 2 lines`
`01:41.56`	`drmessano`	`I have often waxed poetic oer the $100 PBX market, but then I just build an asterisk box on a second hand $50 SFF PC and the wax melts`
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`01:42.24`	`cnf`	`yeah, but i have yet to find a way to make one small, cheap, and silent`
`01:42.30`	`cnf`	`if it's for me, i don't mind`
`01:42.39`	`cnf`	`but this is going into my dad's home`
`01:42.44`	`cnf`	`in a quest for less wires`
`01:42.56`	`cnf`	`i don't want to put a big box with noisy fans there ^^`
`01:43.03`	`drmessano`	`SFF PC needs the same power and PSTN wires`
`01:43.11`	`drmessano`	`and a SFF PC isnt big`
`01:43.40`	`cnf`	`how not big?`
`01:44.37`	`drmessano`	`18 x 18 x 5`
`01:44.52`	`cnf`	`cm?`
`01:44.55`	`drmessano`	`inches`
`01:44.59`	`cnf`	`o,O`
`01:45.04`	`drmessano`	`Like a GX240`
`01:45.21`	`cnf`	`that's huge...`
`01:45.27`	`drmessano`	`LOL`
`01:45.29`	`drmessano`	`ok....`
`01:46.18`	`cnf`	`i'm looking to systems with 0 moving parts`
`01:46.31`	`drmessano`	`I guess huge is relative when you're gonna spend weeks trying to shove asterisk on $29 Fon router and bitching about a SPA-3102 not being a full PBX`
`01:46.42`	`cnf`	`weeks?`
`01:46.50`	`drmessano`	`Is it working yet?`
`01:46.51`	`cnf`	`i started this afternoon`
`01:46.53`	`eppigy`	`I PUT ASTERISK ON MY PS3`
`01:46.58`	`cnf`	`and i need it tomorrow`
`01:47.02`	`drmessano`	`lol`
`01:47.10`	`cnf`	`and i generally get done what i need ^^`
`01:47.18`	`cnf`	`it ain't perfect, but it'll work`
`01:47.29`	`eppigy`	`what are you suing it for?`
`01:47.33`	`eppigy`	`using`
`01:47.45`	`*** join/#asterisk danalien (n=danalien@unaffiliated/danalien)`
`01:48.15`	`cnf`	`using what for?`
`01:48.15`	`eppigy`	`your tiny pbx`
`01:48.15`	`eppigy`	`with zero moving parts`
`01:48.20`	`drmessano`	`International Space Station`
`01:48.28`	`eppigy`	`naturaly`
`01:48.32`	`*** part/#asterisk codaine (n=Onur@198.64.168.130)`
`01:48.35`	`cnf`	`home VoIP`
`01:48.36`	`drmessano`	`NASA engineer ^^`
`01:48.38`	`drmessano`	`^_^`
`01:48.45`	`eppigy`	`cnf: so why does it have to be so snall?`
`01:48.45`	`cnf`	`my dad hates wires`
`01:48.50`	`drmessano`	`[o^o]`
`01:48.51`	`eppigy`	`with zero movong parts`
`01:48.59`	`eppigy`	`my dad hates wires`
`01:49.02`	`eppigy`	`ok`
`01:49.07`	`eppigy`	`8[]`
`01:49.10`	`cnf`	`eppigy: because it's going on the wall at my dad's`
`01:49.12`	`drmessano`	`PC with a power cord = 1 wire`
`01:49.24`	`eppigy`	`fatal flaw`
`01:49.28`	`cnf`	`if it makes noise, he will complain`
`01:49.28`	`drmessano`	`:(`
`01:49.33`	`eppigy`	`lol`
`01:49.39`	`drmessano`	`Tell your dad to STFU and get Vonage`
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`01:49.45`	`eppigy`	`sound like you need to punch your dad in the face`
`01:49.48`	`eppigy`	`yes`
`01:49.52`	`cnf`	`if it can not stand getting power pulled out at any time, it will not last long`
`01:49.54`	`drmessano`	`It doesnt make noise.. no fans, no ringing, no dialtone`
`01:49.55`	`eppigy`	`here you are sklavung away`
`01:49.59`	`eppigy`	`on a tiny pbx`
`01:50.00`	`drmessano`	`It will be quiet as shit`
`01:50.01`	`cnf`	`eppigy: why? for wanting things that are only natural?`
`01:50.05`	`eppigy`	`with zero moving parts`
`01:50.11`	`drmessano`	`Vonage ^^`
`01:50.19`	`eppigy`	`well it is obviously not natural`
`01:50.24`	`eppigy`	`if you are struggling`
`01:50.25`	`cnf`	`sure it is`
`01:50.36`	`eppigy`	`and using some pots to voip stuff`
`01:50.41`	`cnf`	`I can't stand my computers making noise`
`01:50.42`	`drmessano`	`You're gonna glue a Fon router that you hacked to a SPA-3102.. how is that natural?`
`01:50.46`	`drmessano`	`Elmers Glue?`
`01:50.48`	`eppigy`	`and blogging about it in here`
`01:51.03`	`cnf`	`o,O`
`01:51.09`	`drmessano`	`Wait`
`01:51.11`	`Akiyuki`	`You'll be saying SHAM WOW everytime`
`01:51.20`	`eppigy`	`~`
`01:51.27`	`drmessano`	`Youre gonna hack one of the Fon router Ethernet ports to be an FXO?`
`01:51.32`	`drmessano`	`Awetastic!`
`01:51.39`	`cnf`	`you know, whatever`
`01:51.47`	`cnf`	`thank you for those that helped me out`
`01:51.51`	`eppigy`	`now youve gone and upset the boy`
`01:52.11`	`cnf`	`right`
`01:52.30`	`drmessano`	`You gonna paint the ugly Fon router glued to the SPA-3102 with faux wood paint so it blends in with the mahogany?`
`01:52.42`	`drmessano`	`Paint a fake bird hole..`
`01:52.57`	`cnf`	`there`
`01:52.58`	`drmessano`	`Glue some plastic fake tree stems to it`
`01:52.58`	`cnf`	`silence`
`01:53.04`	`drmessano`	`ZOMG`
`01:53.07`	`drmessano`	`HE USED IGNORE`
`01:53.10`	`drmessano`	`NOOOOOOOoooooooooooooo`
`01:53.16`	`eppigy`	`make a great centerpiece for christmas dinner`
`01:53.33`	`eppigy`	`19:53 < drmessano> ZOMG`
`01:53.34`	`eppigy`	`19:53 < drmessano> HE USED IGNORE`
`01:53.34`	`eppigy`	`19:53 < drmessano> NOOOOOOOoooooooooooooo`
`01:53.34`	`drmessano`	`My power..... is..... fading....`
`01:53.38`	`drmessano`	`.. Feeel... weeek...`
`01:53.43`	`drmessano`	`weak too`
`01:53.45`	`drmessano`	`bah`
`01:54.08`	`drmessano`	`Anyway`
`01:54.23`	`eppigy`	`i am installing asterisk in my car`
`01:54.34`	`eppigy`	`so when i go by open acces points`
`01:54.34`	`drmessano`	`He lost me at "Why the eff isn't this SPA-3102 a PBX for $65, damnit"`
`01:54.38`	`eppigy`	`i can make calls`
`01:54.55`	`drmessano`	`"What do you mean I can't have nuclear fission in my basement, FBI agent?"`
`01:55.04`	`eppigy`	`yes`
`01:56.14`	`drmessano`	`Im not even sure the Fon has enough memory`
`01:56.33`	`drmessano`	`But I am sure he can superglue a Sony memstick to the antenna`
`01:56.44`	`drmessano`	`For that natural look`
`01:57.56`	`drmessano`	`Plus, hes gonna need a 2 port Fon`
`01:58.00`	`cnf`	`lots of noise, and lots of mockery, but nothing to say...`
`01:58.23`	`drmessano`	`Unless hes gonna use the SPA-3102 for a router`
`01:58.25`	`eppigy`	`he couldnt stand to be away from you`
`01:58.35`	`drmessano`	`Need a loop over to the router for ethernet`
`01:58.44`	`cnf`	`i have a 2port fon`
`01:58.46`	`drmessano`	`2 power cords, which will both be power bricks`
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`01:59.05`	`drmessano`	`Gonna need to attach the SPA-3102 to the Fon, which will stick out like a sore thumb`
`01:59.53`	`eppigy`	`shattered dreams`
`02:00.00`	`drmessano`	`Ethernet, FXO and FXS lines attached to the SPA-3102`
`02:00.11`	`drmessano`	`Yeah, if my Dad hated wires, I would be all over that`
`02:00.13`	`drmessano`	`or`
`02:00.45`	`drmessano`	`GX-240 with a FXS/FXO cord, 1 ethernet line, 2 phone lines, one non-bricked power cord`
`02:00.56`	`drmessano`	`errr`
`02:01.03`	`drmessano`	`that was redundant`
`02:01.17`	`drmessano`	`GX-240 with a FXS/FXO line, 1 ethernet line, one non-bricked power cord`
`02:01.35`	`cnf`	`you forgot the wifi`
`02:01.38`	`drmessano`	`Split the lines at the PBX and crimp 2 RJ-11s on, use one cord`
`02:01.53`	`drmessano`	`PCI ethernet card`
`02:02.04`	`cnf`	`and i'm not using the FXS port`
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`02:03.06`	`drmessano`	`Youre gonna mount it on the wall and have all these damn wires on it`
`02:03.09`	`drmessano`	`Its gonna be a mess`
`02:03.23`	`drmessano`	`Surely not for the "my dad hates wires" part`
`02:03.34`	`drmessano`	`Because this is 180 degrees in the wronf direction`
`02:03.37`	`drmessano`	`wrong*`
`02:03.44`	`cnf`	`they'll be behind the curtain`
`02:03.53`	`cnf`	`because, you know, mounted against the wall`
`02:03.56`	`eppigy`	`8[]`
`02:04.16`	`drmessano`	`So the wires part was crap and doesn't even need to be considered`
`02:05.16`	`cnf`	`so, do you have anything to contribute beside childish mocking?`
`02:05.23`	`drmessano`	`No, I contributed lots`
`02:05.29`	`drmessano`	`Wasted 30 or so lines on your idea`
`02:05.38`	`drmessano`	`If you wanna be a dick about it, then STFU`
`02:05.55`	`drmessano`	`But I addressed all aspects and gave considerations`
`02:05.59`	`cnf`	`i have been clear about my questions from the start`
`02:06.05`	`drmessano`	`No`
`02:06.37`	`cnf`	`everyone else got it soon enough`
`02:07.00`	`drmessano`	`What you have been clear about is that you got a shitty cheap FON router and a SPA-3102 and want to make Junebug the magic PBX out of it, and we need to STFU and agree that it's a good idea`
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`02:07.13`	`drmessano`	`Even though there's definite faults and things youve not considered`
`02:07.35`	`cnf`	`i do not much care about your agreement`
`02:07.48`	`drmessano`	`Good, then stop addressing me`
`02:07.50`	`eppigy`	`lollin hard`
`02:07.54`	`drmessano`	`Youre the one being the ass here`
`02:07.57`	`cnf`	`ha!`
`02:08.04`	`cnf`	`yes, yes of course i am`
`02:08.11`	`eppigy`	`if you cant take constructive critiscism`
`02:08.15`	`jaytee`	`yes, yes of course you are`
`02:08.16`	`eppigy`	`i mean`
`02:08.17`	`cnf`	`but i have no problem beeing an ass`
`02:08.17`	`drmessano`	`Effin pussy`
`02:08.33`	`eppigy`	`wow dog`
`02:08.39`	`eppigy`	`he put you out there`
`02:08.58`	`drmessano`	`Sounds like you seriously want to glue crap to your Dads wall and bitch that it doesnt snap together like Legos`
`02:09.08`	`cnf`	`eppigy: and had it been constructive, instead of silly mocking, i would have taken it serious in all likelyhood`
`02:09.18`	`drmessano`	`It was constructive`
`02:09.31`	`cnf`	`yeah, right`
`02:09.32`	`drmessano`	`I do not agree with any of your thoughts`
`02:09.38`	`drmessano`	`Therefore, youre being a baby`
`02:09.42`	`drmessano`	`Which is typical`
`02:09.51`	`eppigy`	`just buy the damn asterisk appliance`
`02:10.00`	`cnf`	`eppigy: why? this works fine`
`02:10.01`	`drmessano`	`Constructive does not mean "Tell me my idea is good and help me make it better"`
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`02:10.07`	`drmessano`	`Works fine?`
`02:10.09`	`eppigy`	`i mean you are only saving money here if your time is worthless`
`02:10.10`	`drmessano`	`Sounds like it`
`02:10.13`	`cnf`	`yep, works fine`
`02:10.16`	`eppigy`	`oh yeah`
`02:10.20`	`eppigy`	`clearly`
`02:10.41`	`cnf`	`i figured out what the problem was before this entire euhm "conversation"`
`02:10.48`	`drmessano`	`eppigy: Should I scroll up for the paste?`
`02:10.55`	`eppigy`	`you might have too`
`02:11.18`	`eppigy`	`i think cnf has his eyes glued teh fuck shut`
`02:11.24`	`drmessano`	`[20:37] <cnf> well, after many hours of trouble, it seem that the versions of uclibc and libpthread i have do not play well [20:37] <cnf> causing asterisk to deadlock [20:37] <cnf> i just figured this out :/ <---- GOING WELL, SON`
`02:11.45`	`eppigy`	`sounds like its ready for rollout to me`
`02:11.50`	`cnf`	`yeah`
`02:11.53`	`cnf`	`i figured it out`
`02:11.56`	`eppigy`	`behind dads curtains`
`02:11.59`	`eppigy`	`no less`
`02:12.00`	`cnf`	`roll back uclibc one version`
`02:12.03`	`cnf`	`problem solved`
`02:12.04`	`drmessano`	`You're Dad is gonna be so proud.. shame he cant call you to tell you`
`02:12.07`	`cnf`	`no more deadlocks`
`02:12.09`	`drmessano`	`Your*`
`02:12.31`	`cnf`	`and with the mocking again :P`
`02:12.35`	`cnf`	`yes, very constructive`
`02:12.46`	`jaytee`	`so what is this again? a portable PBX for the outhouse? or was it the pig barn or hayloft?`
`02:12.47`	`drmessano`	`He'll love the Fonera duct taped with SPA-3102 and the power bricks to his wall too`
`02:13.03`	`cnf`	`yes, he will`
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`02:13.06`	`drmessano`	`Contructive tip: Use WHITE duct tape`
`02:13.38`	`jaytee`	`silver will go better with the SPA 3102`
`02:13.40`	`drmessano`	`and tape over the reset button`
`02:13.43`	`eppigy`	`welll he is obviously going to spray paint it to match the drapes`
`02:13.44`	`cnf`	`or, you know, screws...`
`02:13.49`	`drmessano`	`In case it locks up and he visits C-Net`
`02:13.52`	`cnf`	`because they have holes for that anyway`
`02:14.29`	`drmessano`	`These must be big drapes`
`02:14.42`	`jaytee`	`I think a priest said the very same thing about altar boys once`
`02:14.43`	`cnf`	`yes, they must be`
`02:14.49`	`drmessano`	`LOL`
`02:15.27`	`drmessano`	`You mounting the modem to the wall too?`
`02:15.41`	`cnf`	`what modem?`
`02:15.51`	`drmessano`	`Um ok`
`02:16.00`	`drmessano`	`Why does he need the wireless?`
`02:16.01`	`cnf`	`the cable modem? that gets mounted by the installer`
`02:16.24`	`cnf`	`so he doesn't have to run cables all over his house`
`02:16.28`	`drmessano`	`They wont mount your modem`
`02:16.33`	`cnf`	`they have`
`02:16.35`	`cnf`	`they always do`
`02:16.36`	`drmessano`	`...`
`02:16.38`	`drmessano`	`HA`
`02:16.51`	`drmessano`	`Which provider?`
`02:17.07`	`cnf`	`Telenet`
`02:17.09`	`drmessano`	`and the modem has mounting holes?`
`02:17.21`	`cnf`	`it has a mounting bracket`
`02:17.30`	`drmessano`	`So this isnt a residence`
`02:17.40`	`cnf`	`sure it is`
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`02:17.56`	`cnf`	`my modem is mounted the exact same way`
`02:17.57`	`eppigy`	`it is going to be mounted in the demarc`
`02:18.06`	`eppigy`	`in the laundery room`
`02:18.09`	`drmessano`	`eppigy: Left curtain?`
`02:18.16`	`eppigy`	`lol yues`
`02:18.23`	`cnf`	`just as they mount it for everyone that gets a line with them`
`02:18.57`	`drmessano`	`I guess I am missing something here`
`02:19.26`	`pfn`	`eh? west.voipjet.com isn't west-coast? wtf`
`02:19.40`	`drmessano`	`WESTSIIIIDE!`
`02:19.50`	`drmessano`	`\/\/`
`02:19.59`	`drmessano`	`Peace, hatas`
`02:20.03`	`eppigy`	`THROW YOUR CLIQUE UP`
`02:20.05`	`Nivex`	`west new jersey?`
`02:21.26`	`drmessano`	`WEST COAST, Upper Pen of Michigan, BIATCH`
`02:21.47`	`cnf`	`so they just throw the modem on the ground where you live?`
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`02:22.23`	`drmessano`	`I dont have residential service.. im not sure what the little people do..`
`02:22.25`	`Nivex`	`drmessano: sounds awfully cold`
`02:23.07`	`kerx`	`anyone use openser?`
`02:23.10`	`eppigy`	`they just prop mine up`
`02:23.17`	`eppigy`	`on some kind of plastic base`
`02:23.25`	`cnf`	`meh, 25mbit is good enough for a home line`
`02:23.47`	`drmessano`	`cnf: 25mbit cable? So thats like 5mb real b/w`
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`02:23.59`	`cnf`	`no, 25mbit real bandwidth`
`02:24.07`	`Nivex`	`where are you that you get 25mbit?`
`02:24.14`	`drmessano`	`cnf: If its cable, not likely`
`02:24.14`	`cnf`	`Belgium`
`02:24.21`	`Nivex`	`ah, non US. That explains.`
`02:24.31`	`drmessano`	`Ohhhhhhh`
`02:24.35`	`drmessano`	`That explains it`
`02:24.49`	`kerx`	`sorry to bug #asterisk guys, but if anyone uses openSER/openSIPS, etc. can you please let me know? I find very little activity in those channels themselves`
`02:25.02`	`drmessano`	`They don't have computers in Belguim, too small`
`02:25.23`	`drmessano`	`Thats why Jean-Claude Van Damme had to leave when his muscles got too big`
`02:25.23`	`cnf`	`obviously`
`02:25.43`	`jaytee`	`Jean Claude Van Damme, for when you need hot gay man on man love and martial arts all mixed together.`
`02:25.49`	`Nivex`	`DOCSIS 3.0 says peak down/up is 304/108 Mbit/sec`
`02:26.08`	`drmessano`	`"peak"`
`02:26.29`	`cnf`	`Nivex: o,O you can live with that?`
`02:26.35`	`cnf`	`my bloody phone is faster`
`02:26.36`	`drmessano`	`Thats like bringing home a hot, non-psycho, nympomaniac redhead.. (very rare)`
`02:26.41`	`drmessano`	`But possible`
`02:26.51`	`Nivex`	`I only get 7Mbit down by 384Kbit (yes K) at home`
`02:27.08`	`Nivex`	`it makes me very sad`
`02:27.10`	`drmessano`	`cnf: YOu are full of shit now`
`02:27.37`	`drmessano`	`You said 25 mbit, he quotes 304`
`02:27.56`	`drmessano`	`You said your phone is faster?`
`02:27.56`	`cnf`	`oh, sorry`
`02:27.56`	`cnf`	`i read kbit there`
`02:27.58`	`cnf`	`my bad`
`02:28.07`	`cnf`	`"pauses die hard" ^^`
`02:28.15`	`drmessano`	`yeah ^^`
`02:28.19`	`drmessano`	`do that ^^`
`02:28.27`	`cnf`	`wait`
`02:28.29`	`cnf`	`after the shooting`
`02:29.41`	`Nivex`	`the bandwidth providers here are owned by the media outlets. They don't want us to have any upstream because we might pirate their shit`
`02:29.56`	`cnf`	`my line rocks for torrenting`
`02:30.06`	`cnf`	`also, we have no MPAA/RIAA`
`02:30.08`	`cnf`	`\o/`
`02:30.51`	`kerx`	`ok, i assume nobody here has ever used openSER then?`
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`02:31.45`	`Micc`	`No, I haven't used openSER but it is on my list to learn soon.`
`02:32.17`	`drmessano`	`Micc: I may have a 3 yr old version you can patch if you need to..`
`02:32.56`	`Micc`	`drmessano, why would I use that instead of the latest version?`
`02:33.08`	`Micc`	`drmessano, is it commercial software?`
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`02:39.22`	`drmessano`	`Micc: No, to go along with your 1.2.15`
`02:39.39`	`drmessano`	`=8)`
`02:40.11`	`drmessano`	`>8-)`
`02:40.31`	`drmessano`	`&:o) <-- flock of seagull guy`
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`02:44.11`	`Micc`	`drmessano, I got a new server that has 1.4 now :)`
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`02:51.42`	`drmessano`	`Nice`
`02:53.28`	`carrar`	`What kind of "new server"`
`02:55.11`	`cnf`	`hmm`
`02:55.14`	`cnf`	`i need candy`
`02:55.27`	`carrar`	`and glow sticks?`
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`02:55.46`	`drmessano`	`ROFL`
`02:56.02`	`drmessano`	`twirls glowsticks and gulps water by the gallon`
`02:56.16`	`cnf`	`i'm too old for this much sugar`
`02:56.19`	`cnf`	`but sod it!`
`02:56.27`	`eppigy`	`SOD IT INDEED`
`02:56.32`	`cnf`	`and i don't have any glowsticks :/`
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`03:02.24`	`cnf`	`ok, quite enough sugar`
`03:03.44`	`drmessano`	`NUTIN WROG WITJ BIEN OLD`
`03:03.48`	`drmessano`	`I R CAN SEE`
`03:04.04`	`cnf`	`i'm not that old ^^`
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`03:15.38`	`jaytee`	`incredible: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oP59tQf_njc`
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`03:21.15`	`jblack`	`heh. butterfly effect set to techno?`
`03:22.36`	`Qwell`	`jaytee: wow`
`03:22.53`	`jaytee`	`wasn't that cool?!!`
`03:23.55`	`jaytee`	`I love the end where he fixes the girl's doll with one last setup and then tears it all down and runs off.`
`03:24.23`	`Qwell`	`jaytee: still watching it :D`
`03:24.28`	`Qwell`	`spoiler alert. not reading here :P`
`03:24.37`	`jaytee`	`aww, shit! I spoiled the ending`
`03:24.53`	`Qwell`	`no you didn't. I selectively read here :P`
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`03:27.38`	`prxtien`	`can anyone suggest a good asterisk management gui/www interface`
`03:28.51`	`jaytee`	`vim`
`03:28.58`	`jblack`	`The ultimate gui is a competent human being.`
`03:29.12`	`Iamnacho`	`lol`
`03:29.13`	`jaytee`	`oh wait! you said gui. Gvim`
`03:29.14`	`prxtien`	`oh thanks!`
`03:29.17`	`drmessano^`	`Here we go again`
`03:29.27`	`prxtien`	`sorry im looking for a management gui not retarded sarcasm kthx`
`03:29.30`	`jblack`	`competent in the ways of asterisk, that is. A human being competent in practicing psychology wouldn't do you much good.`
`03:29.51`	`jblack`	`I don't know about jaytee, but I meant what I said.`
`03:30.22`	`prxtien`	`jblack let me just be the first to say, i can see your very elite`
`03:30.44`	`jaytee`	`i don't know about me either but I meant what I thought I said.... i think`
`03:30.56`	`jblack`	`Somehow, I doubt your assessment.`
`03:31.40`	`jaytee`	`he's not elitist. he invited me to his last party and none of the real elites every invite me to anything`
`03:31.42`	`prxtien`	`i wouldnt want to be seen as wanting to do something quicker, i wouldnt be using console then`
`03:31.48`	`prxtien`	`and i definatly wouldnt be elite`
`03:32.51`	`jblack`	`Ok. In more brutish terms, there isn't a GUI that is capable of fully expressing asterisk's capabilities and flexibility in a cogent way.`
`03:32.59`	`jblack`	`There probably will be.`
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`03:33.06`	`jblack`	`*never will be, that is.`
`03:33.49`	`jaytee`	`prxtien, in all seriousness try out Asterisk Now 1.5 which gives you the choice of the asterisk-gui or the freepbx gui. it must be noted that both these solutions are configured with custom macros and scripting that restrict the flexibility to customize the dialplan but many people have used either successfully for simple needs.`
`03:34.35`	`prxtien`	`okay thanks`
`03:35.29`	`jaytee`	`prxtien, just remember they have their own support channels and aren't supported in here.`
`03:35.36`	`jblack`	`Thus relying on advanced intelligence with voice recognition, advanced intelligence processing, and keen natural language processing. I.E. "a sysadmin"`
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`03:36.40`	`jblack`	`The high quality ones work great in socialized 3d environments like "your office".`
`03:36.48`	`jaytee`	`there's nothing more satisfying to me than watching someone claiming something is impossible being interrupted by someone doing just that.`
`03:37.10`	`jblack`	`when did that happen?`
`03:37.17`	`jaytee`	`often`
`03:37.27`	`jblack`	`here, in the last ten minutes?`
`03:37.30`	`jaytee`	`no`
`03:37.41`	`jblack`	`k`
`03:37.53`	`jblack`	`cause for a moment there, I thought we'd have to rumble. ;)`
`03:38.14`	`jblack`	`puts down his switchblade`
`03:38.41`	`jaytee`	`but you might qualify as a nattering nabob of negativity when you indiscrimately use the word "never"`
`03:38.56`	`jaytee`	`unsheaths his katana just in case.`
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`03:40.07`	`prxtien`	`okay thanks, i just want to use it in a home environment`
`03:40.13`	`prxtien`	`so simple is good`
`03:40.13`	`jblack`	`<lipsync><poor>you fail to see my secret defense of "never". Your line shall end with you! HAOR HAOR</poor></lipsync>`
`03:40.44`	`jblack`	`pulls out his +9 bastard named sword "Weasel Words"`
`03:41.20`	`jblack`	`gah. s/never/probably`
`03:41.21`	`jaytee`	`ok, I read this from PC World link on Digg and just had to share the laughter: Phasing out an old operating system is nothing new for Microsoft, but Windows XP is unique in that it may be too good to die`
`03:41.35`	`jblack`	`blinks`
`03:42.13`	`jaytee`	`probably is a better fit in the context you used never.`
`03:42.15`	`jblack`	`well, in all fairness, it wouldn't be wise for PC world to shit where it eats.`
`03:42.33`	`jaytee`	`although I'd be the first to agree with you that the probability factor is very, very low`
`03:42.37`	`jblack`	`Yeah. That's why I said "s/never/probably".`
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`03:42.50`	`jaytee`	`understood`
`03:44.46`	`jaytee`	`jblack, and I'm sure we've both looked at the various derivatives with guis with an idea towards providing a more simplified interface but both having customized solutions found them all unworkable in their present form.`
`03:45.09`	`drmessano^`	`IMHO, if a GUI represents enough options that trump the best commercial GUI based config product out there (Avaya, 3COM, ETC), the whole elitist "GUI's SUCK" argument does nothing but hurt asterisk as a whole.. not that I would expect some to even consider that, since being elite is more important...`
`03:45.32`	`jaytee`	`elite is not more important.`
`03:45.39`	`drmessano^`	`Oh sure it is..`
`03:45.48`	`jaytee`	`it's whatever solution fits the best`
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`03:47.12`	`drmessano^`	`When WYSIWYG editors made creating some REALLY neat websites possible for graphically inclinded (creative) folks that no longer needed to learn cryptic HTML, it didn't matter how awesome a site they built in the "confines" of the editor, they sucked ass because they didn't write the code by hand in VI`
`03:47.48`	`drmessano^`	`Last time I checked, those hand coders still makes pages like GNU.org that have 1996 written all over them.. in 2008`
`03:48.07`	`drmessano^`	`But hey, they can access any tags they want, and put them in any order they want...`
`03:48.20`	`jaytee`	`yep, and they all moan and groan about web 2.0 and flash`
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`03:49.24`	`drmessano^`	`If you build (AND SELL) 100 PBX's with GUIs and are able to craft IVRs and call control beyond those 100 customers wildest expectations, you're still a jackass for using a GUI...`
`03:49.43`	`drmessano^`	`But they're laughing just like the 3com and Avaya installers..`
`03:50.24`	`jaytee`	`all that misdirected passion. if you'd put that all into an acting career the women would be throwing themselves at your foot in droves.`
`03:50.26`	`drmessano^`	`Box is built, customer is happy, call control and features are beyond expectations...`
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`03:50.31`	`drmessano^`	`lol`
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`03:52.02`	`drmessano^`	`No, just chaps my ass to see people squashed for wanting to use a GUI when some of them like FreePBX are actually very feature rich, and more to the point, go well beyond what major vendor packaged PBX's will do`
`03:52.18`	`drmessano^`	`Which to me is much more important`
`03:52.26`	`drmessano^`	`They also eliminate human error`
`03:53.11`	`drmessano^`	`Being able to reproduce dialplan functions systematically and without . and , bullshit errors is a powerful thing`
`03:53.30`	`jaytee`	`I think that when it comes to the likelihood of an asterisk version that has both a gui and the flexibility and power of standard asterisk ever being created there is a greater likelihood that it will be discovered that the Thompson Twins are actually twins even though there's three of them and one is black.`
`03:53.50`	`drmessano^`	`Indeed`
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`03:55.18`	`drmessano^`	`But again.. I look at an NBX phone system and all it will do`
`03:55.23`	`drmessano^`	`Then look at something like FreePBX`
`03:55.26`	`drmessano^`	`and its night and day`
`03:55.35`	`drmessano^`	`So what if it doesnt touch every single asterisk function?`
`03:57.06`	`drmessano^`	`There's plenty it won't do.. Jabber/XMPP setup, Bluetooth, etc.. not even close to being addressed yet`
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`03:57.23`	`drmessano^`	`But anyway`
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`03:57.30`	`jaytee`	`Followme?`
`03:57.46`	`drmessano^`	`Yeah`
`03:57.46`	`drmessano^`	`Followme works great`
`03:59.08`	`coppice`	`people hate GUIs because most GUIs suck, but that doesn't imply they have to`
`03:59.22`	`drmessano^`	`FreePBX doesn't suck, IMO`
`03:59.35`	`coppice`	`GUIs are hard to do. really hard`
`04:00.34`	`coppice`	`Good GUIs are like good teachers. A good one can enlighten, but you don't find such good ones all that often`
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`04:02.11`	`drmessano^`	`If FreePBX did suck, you wouldn't have dozens of "PBX Distros" using it, tens of thousands of boxes being sold running it, and Digium using it as their GUI of choice in AsteriskNOW`
`04:02.40`	`jaytee`	`and bad GUIs litter the landscape like so many knockoffs of Three Buck Chuck wine`
`04:03.04`	`coppice`	`that does figure at all. if customers demand eye candy, you supply it, useful or not`
`04:03.12`	`Nivex`	`Windows sucks, but it's on how many PCs on the planet?`
`04:03.38`	`jaytee`	`Gnome works ok but under the hood it's a big steaming turd`
`04:03.41`	`drmessano^`	`Who in the hell is gonna keep buying or selling a PBX, which is the core of most companies operation, if its unstable?`
`04:03.45`	`drmessano^`	`Common sense here`
`04:04.19`	`drmessano^`	`Customers arent necessarily the ones using the GUI, and in most cases arent`
`04:04.47`	`coppice`	`drmessano^: a few years ago there was a big move from Dialogic on SCO to Dialogic on Windows for IVRs, and the result was terrible instability. customers still kept up the migration`
`04:05.51`	`jaytee`	`buddy of mine codes custom IVRs using Voiceguide with Dialogic cards`
`04:06.02`	`drmessano^`	`No one in their right minds is going to use a PBX with the claimed instability of an asterisk GUI as they zealots have made claim`
`04:06.07`	`drmessano^`	`This is common sense`
`04:06.16`	`drmessano^`	`the*`
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`04:06.41`	`coppice`	`jaytee: its amazing how many of those visual IVR designers have come and gone`
`04:07.24`	`coppice`	`drmessano^: if common sense played a large part in purchasing decisions the world would look very different`
`04:07.50`	`jaytee`	`coppice, that product is pretty good, he's made alot of money and continues to creating custom systems for time and attendance over phone with direct links to payroll databases, etc.`
`04:08.25`	`drmessano^`	`coppice: Manage hundreds of customers on a daily basis, and you'll change your broad nonsensical generatlizations.. Instability = loss of customers, period.`
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`04:09.04`	`coppice`	`jaytee: I've tinkered with several over the last 20 years. some seem pretty usable. they seem to keep disappearing, though`
`04:09.57`	`jaytee`	`coppice, yeah. this whole asterisk thingy feels like a flash in the pan to me too`
`04:10.03`	`jaytee`	`:-)`
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`04:11.09`	`coppice`	`drmessano^: suggesting that volume sales are a measure of practicality is the craziest of generalisations`
`04:11.22`	`drmessano^`	`coppice: Not what I said at all`
`04:11.51`	`jaytee`	`"Hello, my name is Kerry Garrison, I'm recently divorced AND I LIVE IN A VAN DOWN BY THE RIVER!"`
`04:12.03`	`drmessano^`	`coppice: If you're gonna pull the "Only hear what I want to hear" stuff again, i'm better off moving on that wasting my time with this.`
`04:12.30`	`coppice`	`you said if it were unstable it wouldn't sell. try telling that to all the people making a healthy living supporting popular stuff which is unstable`
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`04:13.10`	`drmessano^`	`Well lets see`
`04:13.28`	`jaytee`	`I gotta agree with coppice on this one, since the perfect example of people buying unstable systems is Windows (pick any version)`
`04:13.30`	`drmessano^`	`Windows is unstable.. But yet I just restarted a server the other day with 425 days of uptime`
`04:13.40`	`drmessano^`	`That gets heavy use`
`04:13.58`	`coppice`	`the only real way to measure stability is hearing the sad tales of support people laid off because they were not needed. :-)`
`04:13.58`	`drmessano^`	`I also have one I rebooted for the 3rd time in a week due to some crap issue`
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`04:14.22`	`jaytee`	`and I ran my Asterisk production system for 130 days without a restart and only restarted because I wanted to do an image backup`
`04:14.23`	`drmessano^`	`Is the OS unstable? Dunno.. 425 days doesn't sound unstable`
`04:15.14`	`drmessano^`	`I restarted my Asterisk box at my friends house two dozen times over 3 weeks because of FOP running asterisk 1.6 to 100% CPU before I found that FOP was the problem`
`04:15.20`	`drmessano^`	`I guess Asterisk is unstable`
`04:15.35`	`coppice`	`that's a very odd measure of stability. it means your application was stable. not the whole platform`
`04:15.40`	`jaytee`	`I never use FOP, I'm strictly a Dapper Dan man`
`04:15.55`	`drmessano^`	`coppice: The application is RUNNING on THE PLATFORM`
`04:16.04`	`drmessano^`	`That sounds pretty solid to me`
`04:16.27`	`coppice`	`any one application tends to exercise only a modest percentage of the platform`
`04:16.34`	`SkramX`	`FOP IS FLASH.`
`04:16.53`	`drmessano^`	`If the platform was the issue, I would not have had 425 days of uptime`
`04:16.56`	`coppice`	`even in the NT4 days people could get up times of a year or more if they kept things really simple`
`04:17.00`	`drmessano^`	`Since we're talking about .... THE PLATFORM`
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`04:17.29`	`drmessano^`	`There's nothing less simple about this particular box`
`04:17.40`	`drmessano^`	`or more simple`
`04:17.56`	`drmessano^`	`Its pretty much just as tens of dozens of others I observe are..`
`04:18.12`	`drmessano^`	`Guess it was luck..`
`04:18.53`	`drmessano^`	`Seems to me the metrics are variable based on the direction of the argument`
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`04:21.07`	`drmessano^`	`Of course this is the same logic behind "Linux never needs to be rebooted like Windows".. Except if there's a vulnerability that affects the kernel.. that requires an update.. that requires the same reboot.. Hmmm`
`04:21.35`	`drmessano^`	`Talk about defying logic`
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`06:57.50`	`drmessano^`	`DO I NEED TO TELL YOU WHAT YOU CAN WITH ALUMINUM TUBES?`
`06:58.07`	`drmessano^`	`FAIL`
`06:58.07`	`drmessano^`	`DO I NEED TO TELL YOU WHAT YOU CAN DO WITH ALUMINUM TUBES?`
`06:58.21`	`Bad_Robot-`	`what can you do with aluminum tubes?`
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`08:08.10`	`Dovid`	`hi. anyone know the proper version of wanpipe to use for Dhadi ?`
`08:08.30`	`hi365`	`you checked wiki.sangoma.com, right?`
`08:08.41`	`Dovid`	`looking there and its neta`
`08:08.45`	`Dovid`	`beta*`
`08:08.50`	`hi365`	`ok, just making sur`
`08:08.52`	`hi365`	`sure`
`08:08.59`	`Dovid`	`is the beta version the correct one ?`
`08:09.09`	`hi365`	`shrugs`
`08:09.46`	`hi365`	`this is one of the reasons we moved to digium - its just two confusing and unnesasary to deal with multipal software packages`
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`08:10.09`	`hi365`	`(as well as dealing with the local importoer)`
`08:11.05`	`hi365`	`hmm, doesnt mention anything about beta`
`08:11.06`	`hi365`	`http://wiki.sangoma.com/wanpipe-linux-asterisk-dahdi`
`08:12.07`	`Dovid`	`hi365: digium made me to many issues`
`08:12.40`	`hi365`	`now? or in the past? They seem thing have improved as of late (last year or two)`
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`08:13.10`	`Dovid`	`in the past. i was going to try them but in the past year i have heard complaints`
`08:13.10`	`Dovid`	`http://wiki.sangoma.com/wanpipe-linux-drivers#beta`
`08:13.22`	`hi365`	`which cards?`
`08:16.10`	`Dovid`	`TDM400P was the last I worked with ( i know its of out of date) and my clients have told me that they work with PRI cards that made too many issues.`
`08:16.25`	`hi365`	`shrugs again`
`08:16.31`	`Dovid`	`the local Digium importer said the same about the cards with dell servers the otehr week`
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`08:16.45`	`hi365`	`BH the current pri cards seem ok`
`08:17.05`	`hi365`	`mostly with dell stuff as well. where do you get ur servers from?`
`08:17.28`	`kerx`	`trying to understand what the diff. between Soft switch and Router is in the Voip World, they seem so close together?`
`08:19.02`	`Dovid`	`some times dell. I can't afford to tell clients "Oh we cant work with that server..."`
`08:19.27`	`Dovid`	`just had a customer that is having echo issues. he has the eco can. card. not sure if its "Digium" related`
`08:19.36`	`Dovid`	`goto rebboot.`
`08:19.37`	`Dovid`	`brb`
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`08:21.33`	`zxd`	`hi`
`08:21.40`	`zxd`	`how do i disable skinny in asterisk?`
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`08:22.06`	`zxd`	`just uncomment the port and address ?`
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`08:26.05`	`SwK`	`zxd, to disable it just noload the module in modules.conf`
`08:26.50`	`zxd`	`thanks wwalker`
`08:26.52`	`zxd`	`SwK`
`08:26.53`	`zxd`	`:)`
`08:27.10`	`SwK`	`np`
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`08:33.02`	`drmessano^`	`God thats annoying`
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`08:36.54`	`hi365`	`Dovid: any idea how to block the callerid on bezeq/orange pri's?`
`08:37.07`	`hi365`	`used to be able to do it, but its not working now for some reason`
`08:37.47`	`Dovid`	`hi365: I believe setcallpres`
`08:37.50`	`Dovid`	`or something like that`
`08:38.10`	`hi365`	`though so, its not working now for some resaon :(`
`08:38.10`	`Dovid`	`never actually tried with Bezeq.`
`08:38.22`	`hi365`	`who did it work with?`
`08:38.24`	`Dovid`	`pri debug span`
`08:38.29`	`Dovid`	`X-Fone`
`08:38.37`	`Dovid`	`see what u r sending them`
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`08:40.45`	`hi365`	`Dovid: I though they only do sip?`
`08:41.15`	`Dovid`	`for special people they give PRI's ;)`
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`08:46.05`	`hi365`	`:)`
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`08:49.50`	`hi365`	`Dovid: would you double check what work for you to block the callerid?`
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`09:03.50`	`Dovid`	`hi365: bit busy. give me a few`
`09:04.55`	`hi365`	`sure. I have it working on bezeq using SetCallerPres(prohib_passed_screen), would LOVE to see it working on orange (but I tired all the options and it doesnt look to promissing...)`
`09:05.02`	`hi365`	`cellcom doesnt seem any better...`
`09:05.13`	`Dovid`	`wut do they say when u call em ?`
`09:05.25`	`Dovid`	`aslo what do u get from the pri debug ?`
`09:05.38`	`Dovid`	`anyone know what files need to be set to get dahdi to work ? is it all in /etc/asterisk ?`
`09:05.55`	`hi365`	`im not sure what I should be looking for in the debug - orange syays they dont support it`
`09:06.10`	`Dovid`	`so set it to 0`
`09:06.21`	`Dovid`	`wierd ? orange doesent support blocked calls ?`
`09:06.25`	`hi365`	`it=debug or the callerid?`
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`09:07.33`	`Dovid`	`it - callerid blocked`
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`09:10.45`	`hi365`	`Dovid: orange will only let me send numbers in my range, neither of these work: exten => hidecid,n,Set(CALLERID(all)="0")`
`09:10.46`	`hi365`	`exten => hidecid,n,SetCallerPres(prohib_passed_screen)`
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`09:15.43`	`Dovid`	`hi365: Makes no sense that they sont support blocked callerid`
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`09:18.37`	`Dovid`	`hi365: did you try SetCallerPres(prohib) or SetCallerPres(prohib)`
`09:18.38`	`Dovid`	`?`
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`09:29.56`	`hi365`	`Dovid: yes, doesnt work either`
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`09:30.57`	`Dovid`	`find another carrier ;)`
`09:31.16`	`zxd`	`SwK: do you know what this port is in asterisk 2727`
`09:31.50`	`hi365`	`Dovid: :) same for cellcom, btw`
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`09:33.40`	`Dovid`	`i have a client that has cellcom`
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`09:33.42`	`Dovid`	`will have to test later`
`09:34.39`	`zxd`	`when would i want to use pbx_dundi ?`
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`10:48.43`	`khr`	`hi all`
`10:49.08`	`khr`	`can any1 help me with 1 question regardin asterisk1.6+dahdi+b410p ?`
`10:49.10`	`khr`	`please`
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`10:52.22`	`SwK`	`ask away and if anyone is around and knows the answer they'll chime in`
`10:53.10`	`khr`	`oke thx, i'll wait for some1 :)`
`10:53.21`	`khr`	`i have stucked on a problem since 2 months`
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`11:06.11`	`khr`	`i have installed dahdi (it seems it works well) on a gentoo system + kernel 2.6.27`
`11:06.19`	`khr`	`but it doesn't receives any inbound calls`
`11:06.48`	`khr`	`thats my problem, if someone knows something about this problem please help me out`
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`11:50.27`	`echinos`	`do connections to VOIP providers need to come from a certain source port?`
`11:51.12`	`echinos`	`like, I have an IAX provider, if I nat the connection, so it's coming from a port other than the IAX port, will that screw things up?`
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`11:52.16`	`JT`	`source port shouldn't matter`
`11:52.50`	`echinos`	`ok`
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`12:02.30`	`sulan`	`Hi guys, I have a problem with WaitExten on my Asterisk 1.4.21.2~dfsg-1ubuntu3 box. After a key-press it delays for about 3 seconds before locating the extension in the dialplan. Any ideas what could be the cause? I'm using Realtime, but the database server doesn't seem to be loaded during these seconds.`
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`12:41.40`	`echinos`	`is IAX more prone to jitter and quality issues than SIP?`
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`12:43.42`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`echinos: Thats been the assessment of several of us in the past. using the same provider IAX's audio quality has been noticeably lower that when using SIP+RTP with them`
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`12:53.39`	`echinos`	`[TK]D-Fender: ok, thx`
`12:53.48`	`echinos`	`may need to switch then`
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`12:57.58`	`echinos`	`I signed up for an IAX connection just so I could put * behind a firewall, but I guess I might have to put * on my firewall`
`12:58.15`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`echinos: Why is that?`
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`13:02.25`	`Akiyuki`	`Because he didnt read the documentation`
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`13:04.49`	`echinos`	`Just so I don't have to bother routing SIP thru the firewall, I've heard it's a headache`
`13:05.31`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`echinos: Only for the worst routers out there. For the rest of us its 15 seconds with 2 port forward rules`
`13:06.00`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`echinos: You should reconsider where you get your advice from.`
`13:06.23`	`echinos`	`huh. Well, that's good to hear`
`13:06.25`	`riddlebox`	`can you have multiple sip devices conected using the same extension?`
`13:07.01`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`riddlebox: Yes. Where an extension is a number they dial in your dialplan....`
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`13:07.40`	`riddlebox`	`this may sound dumb but why is that allowed?`
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`13:08.17`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`riddlebox: You did not read my answer it seems...`
`13:08.42`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`riddlebox: Why shouldn't 2 devices be allowed to dial the same number?`
`13:10.04`	`riddlebox`	`i mean can i have a phone with the extension 123 on my desk and one in the warehouse that is 123`
`13:10.26`	`Akiyuki`	`those are peers`
`13:10.38`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`riddlebox: stop calling "devices" as "extensions". You even mixed the two in the same question back there`
`13:11.41`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`riddlebox: An "extension" is a number you dial. What happens when you do is irrelevant.`
`13:11.44`	`Akiyuki`	`The best way to do that is have extension 123 router to 2 separate devices via the Dial() command, instead of trying to have 1 account logged in`
`13:12.11`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Akiyuki: And you'll want to avoid the word "route" there while you're at it :)`
`13:12.32`	`Akiyuki`	`:>`
`13:12.49`	`Akiyuki`	`im just trying to give back, after taking so much, from #asterisk :P`
`13:14.01`	`riddlebox`	`so in asterisk an extension is nothing like an extension on any other pbx`
`13:14.53`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`riddlebox: No, the word has a fixed meaning whose usage has been perverted by over-association.`
`13:15.28`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`riddlebox: Sure go ahead and assume that 100 magically can only made that 1 DEVICE start ringing.`
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`13:16.47`	`riddlebox`	`ok but why is that allowed?`
`13:17.07`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`riddlebox: Why is what allowed? Multiple people dialing the same number?`
`13:17.44`	`Akiyuki`	`ugh`
`13:17.49`	`Akiyuki`	`"Press 1 for english"`
`13:17.52`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Akiyuki: Yup.`
`13:18.12`	`Akiyuki`	`Do you think 1 goes to 1 person's computer, and they have to answer super fast and transfer you to the english line? :P`
`13:18.39`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Akiyuki: I was thinking more on the lines of "*98" to pickup voicemail. I guess in his world only 1 person can access their VM at a time...`
`13:18.53`	`Akiyuki`	`:D`
`13:19.00`	`riddlebox`	`no multiple devices registered as the same ânumberâ man i hope thats the correct wsording`
`13:19.12`	`Akiyuki`	`I thought for the longest time the same way though, in regards to extensions, until I came here.`
`13:19.12`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`riddlebox: You are not registered as a NUMBER!`
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`13:19.25`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`riddlebox: A phone is NOT AQn extension. gET THIS THROUGH YOUR HEAD.`
`13:19.52`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`riddlebox: You can set up a million phones to register to * and NONE of them able to dial ANYTHING`
`13:20.24`	`Akiyuki`	`Also, you can have extensions 1,2,3 all point to the same person`
`13:20.38`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`riddlebox: dialplan = extensions.conf <- EXTENSIONS. A number you dial that does SOMEHITNG and as NO inherent relationship with making a phone ring.`
`13:20.43`	`Akiyuki`	`But that person could be logged in as "fred" which has nothing to do w/ the extensions 1 2 or 3`
`13:21.04`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`riddlebox: A SIP device does not register to EXTENSIONS.CONF`
`13:21.16`	`riddlebox`	`can you have multiple freds then all over the company`
`13:21.40`	`Akiyuki`	`There are several Jasons at my work`
`13:21.51`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Akiyuki: :)`
`13:22.18`	`riddlebox`	`but is the phone registered as SIP/jason?`
`13:22.23`	`Akiyuki`	`for one of them`
`13:22.36`	`riddlebox`	`can you have more than one`
`13:22.49`	`Akiyuki`	`Hmm, I think you may want to just ask your question. What do you want to accomplish?`
`13:22.55`	`Akiyuki`	`Someone dials 123 and it rings 2 places?`
`13:23.05`	`riddlebox`	`yes`
`13:23.08`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`riddlebox: To answer your better question, Yes, you can have as many phones register a SIP ACCOUNT on your system as you want. Understanding of course that when * trys to call the registered device that it will go to the LAST ONE that registered`
`13:23.33`	`riddlebox`	`ok that makes sense then`
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`13:23.54`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`riddlebox: And with that in mind, NO You set up 2 completely distinct accounts, have your devices register to them and make your extension dial BOTH.`
`13:25.02`	`Akiyuki`	`So exten => 123,1,Dial(SIP/foo/&SIP/bar)`
`13:25.17`	`Akiyuki`	`That would ring the devices logged in as "foo" and "bar"`
`13:25.32`	`riddlebox`	`yes i know that but i called into a podcast who said they were using asterisk and the sip account they gave us three guests was the same for everyone`
`13:25.50`	`Akiyuki`	`er, dont need the / before the &`
`13:25.58`	`riddlebox`	`Akiyuki, yeah i know that`
`13:26.32`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`riddlebox: You called IN to them. You are not "REGZISTERED"`
`13:26.52`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`riddlebox: You CAN have 100 devices auth as SIP/john and send calls to your system.`
`13:27.00`	`riddlebox`	`i was registered and called a conf number`
`13:27.20`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`riddlebox: Registering is so the server knows where to SEND calls to that device`
`13:27.44`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`riddlebox: they don't care about sending calls to YOU.`
`13:27.54`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`riddlebox: DIRECTION matters`
`13:28.10`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`~sipregister`
`13:28.16`	`jbot`	`[~sipregister] SIP Registration is to tell your provider as to what IP address & EXTEN to send INCOMING calls to. Some ITSP's let you use a fixed IP or host rather that register. Registration is NOT normally needed to PLACE a call, as those are typically auth'd independently. Others accept UN-AUTH'D calls once you are registered (saves on negotiation BW)`
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`13:29.35`	`BBHoss`	`anyone know any applet softphones that can be used for embedding in a web browser?`
`13:29.57`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`BBHoss: There are a few listed on the WIKI`
`13:30.17`	`BBHoss`	`any that are decent?`
`13:30.34`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`BBHoss: Never tried any personally.`
`13:30.54`	`BBHoss`	`what page of the wiki is it on?`
`13:31.26`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`BBHoss: List of softphones`
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`13:33.02`	`BBHoss`	`hmm, most are active-x, YUCK`
`13:33.17`	`Dovid`	`<PROTECTED>`
`13:35.44`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Dovid: Uninitialized card. bad hardware, bad configs, etc...`
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`13:39.10`	`Dovid`	`TK: Any logs I can poke at ? So far nothing is showing much`
`13:40.43`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Dovid: Go confim that your modules are loaded, etc`
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`13:40.53`	`Dovid`	`thanks`
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`13:48.41`	`Dovid`	`TK: if you dont load the right module...........`
`13:48.49`	`Dovid`	`now i got other issues but I think I wil figure em out`
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`14:00.02`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`kicks farkus' connection in the nads`
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`14:09.34`	`hi365`	`what is the inverse of sipaddheader?`
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`14:11.29`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`hi365: Non-existant`
`14:12.03`	`hi365`	`[TK]D-Fender: does that mean there is no way to remove a header?? exten => s,n,SIPAddHeader() doesnt seem to work`
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`14:12.29`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`hi365: Non-existant <--- What part of this is not nice & neatly encapsulated?`
`14:12.44`	`hi365`	`grrr`
`14:13.21`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`hi365: 1-word answer that defeats just about all other questioning on the point.`
`14:14.25`	`Dovid`	`TK: It was a config issue`
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`14:39.51`	`Akiyuki`	`[TK]D-Fender, How can I register 6 extensions to myself in asterisk?`
`14:40.22`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`~cluebat Akiyuki`
`14:40.30`	`jbot`	`ACTION pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps Akiyuki.`
`14:40.34`	`Akiyuki`	`falls over`
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`14:45.17`	`Dovid`	`TK: http://pastebin.ca/1284980 would indicate a bad wire or no connection ?`
`14:46.22`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Dovid: Could, of course you should never show just one thing like that.`
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`14:47.01`	`Dovid`	`ok. want sure if the loop was anything in particular. goto drag my ass there tomorrow to look at the wires and tell the telco that it may actualy be their fault`
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`15:47.12`	`UQlev`	`anyone use x-lite as client with asterisk?`
`15:51.48`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`UQlev: Tons of us`
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`15:52.34`	`UQlev`	`when I check sip show peers it gives: 1000/1000 91.184.220.73 D 23987 Unmonitored`
`15:52.47`	`UQlev`	`how can I have OK status`
`15:52.54`	`UQlev`	`I can't make any calls`
`15:53.52`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`UQlev: First the "OK" status is a response to having set "qualify=yes". Second that has no impact on being able to make calls.`
`15:54.08`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`UQlev: pastebin your failed call attempt with SIP DEBUG enabled at CLI`
`15:54.10`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`~pb`
`15:54.11`	`jbot`	`[~pb] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste, or , http://bin.cakephp.org/`
`15:54.13`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^`
`15:54.36`	`UQlev`	`[TK]D-Fender: 1 min`
`15:54.54`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`UQlev: And your status line appears to indicate that X-Lite has in fact registered`
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`15:58.54`	`UQlev`	`[TK]D-Fender: http://rafb.net/p/Zw9esw57.html`
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`16:00.37`	`UQlev`	`[TK]D-Fender: do you have simple example to config x-lite for using only in the LAN?`
`16:00.39`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`UQlev: "set verbose 10" please as well...`
`16:01.00`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`UQlev: na dhte full call attempt, and sip.conf masking only passwords`
`16:01.08`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`and the*`
`16:03.28`	`UQlev`	`http://rafb.net/p/AbGOFt78.html`
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`16:05.01`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`UQlev: SIP/2.0 401 Unauthorized <- looks like it isn't reg'd right. bad auth`
`16:05.12`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`UQlev: and you didn't include the configs.`
`16:05.30`	`UQlev`	`1 sec`
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`16:07.09`	`UQlev`	`sip.conf http://rafb.net/p/7jDF7o20.html`
`16:07.49`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`UQlev: X-Lit on the same PC as *?`
`16:08.01`	`UQlev`	`yes`
`16:08.40`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`UQlev: check your user/pass in X-Lite...`
`16:12.21`	`UQlev`	`[TK]D-Fender: I don't understand all NAT settings an proxy`
`16:12.41`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`UQlev: Shouldn't need. Only 3 field to fill : user / pass / domain`
`16:13.13`	`UQlev`	`domain it means IP?`
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`16:15.37`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`UQlev: Of your * server`
`16:15.55`	`UQlev`	`mostly for x-lite`
`16:16.09`	`UQlev`	`but it is better for both`
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`16:33.33`	`andreaf`	`mm can someone confirm that i can not use directly the Dial application from the asterisk manager api ?`
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`16:34.28`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`andreaf: Who would be doing the dial in that case? Has to be executed from a channel...`
`16:34.29`	`jaytee`	`adreaf, use Originate`
`16:36.36`	`andreaf`	`tkd-fender the asterisk (an automatic call outgoing to a GSM number with a sip proxy)`
`16:37.15`	`andreaf`	`jaytee: ok, but i have to add some option that RTMing are in Dial (timeout after X ms) application.`
`16:37.16`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`andreaf: As Jaytee said, Originate. Somehitng has to be ont he OTHER end of the dial.`
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`16:37.56`	`andreaf`	`tkd-fender: thanks... i will check`
`16:38.18`	`jaytee`	`Appendix F dude, Appendix F`
`16:39.22`	`andreaf`	`thanks`
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`16:42.26`	`andreaf`	`jaytee: absolutetimeout I suppose...`
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`16:42.49`	`jaytee`	`sets the timeout for the call`
`16:43.22`	`jaytee`	`do a "core show function TIMEOUT" for more info`
`16:43.54`	`andreaf`	`thanks`
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`16:44.00`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`That is call duration, no RING duration`
`16:44.32`	`andreaf`	`yes, the maximum amount of time during I can talk`
`16:44.33`	`jaytee`	`yeah`
`16:44.44`	`jaytee`	`ringing timeout is different`
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`16:45.33`	`jaytee`	`so if you want the call to continue in the dialplan if no one answers after a specific interval then ringing timeout is what you need to set.`
`16:45.42`	`jaytee`	`waves at russellb`
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`16:59.15`	`matt_`	`hello, i dont appear to have a keys command in asterisk, does anybody know why ?`
`16:59.29`	`matt_`	`i have built asterisk with ssl and crypto`
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`17:08.05`	`andreaf`	`jaytee: ok i checked is a command (absolutetimeout) that i can send after the "originate" command`
`17:08.18`	`andreaf`	`if not I have not the "channel" and i can send a timeout`
`17:08.23`	`andreaf`	`jaytee: correct ?`
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`17:10.29`	`jaytee`	`andreaf, I believe it needs to be set on the channel BEFORE you run Originate`
`17:10.32`	`XiXaQ`	`Question. I have a terminal server in a server house. I'd like the users on that terminal server to have internal VoIP. I also have a subscription to a TSP that delivers VoIP to traditional telephony networks. I suspect they're running Asterisk. Would it be possible for me to run my own instance of Asterisk on my terminal server to make that invisible? That is, when they call another user on the system, it should only be sent locally usin`
`17:10.32`	`XiXaQ`	`g my instance, but when they try to call someone else, it's sent to the TSPs solution?`
`17:11.08`	`andreaf`	`jaytee: yes but i I sent the command before originate the prompt send me "channel not exist"`
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`17:11.44`	`andreaf`	`but I'm trying to bypass with a custom extension and the use of the Dial application`
`17:11.56`	`andreaf`	`(I hope)`
`17:12.15`	`jaytee`	`so the channel you're referencing is a local channel or just an extension?`
`17:13.34`	`andreaf`	`is a SIP channel`
`17:14.13`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`andreaf: One side or the other can have the absolute timeout. Doesn't matter which that much...`
`17:14.17`	`andreaf`	`I have to originate an automatic call to a mobile umber using a sip proxy. Something like SIP/+555-444@sip.siphost.com`
`17:14.36`	`andreaf`	`is my channel (I think)`
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`18:01.14`	`drmessano`	`hmm`
`18:03.07`	`Subdolus`	`configuring client. appologies.`
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`18:08.27`	`andreaf`	`mm, ok, in an outgoing call, how i can "go next" in dialplan if the user does not respond ?`
`18:08.50`	`dlynes`	`andreaf: if a user does not respond to what?`
`18:09.40`	`andreaf`	`to an incoming call from my asterisk (automatic outgoing call from the PBX to user)`
`18:10.11`	`andreaf`	`noanswer ?`
`18:10.16`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`andreaf: Dial will abort after the timeout and go to the next priority all by itself`
`18:11.07`	`andreaf`	`ok, and if the user refuse the call ? in the extension plan (without dial)`
`18:11.46`	`andreaf`	`I generate an outgoing call to a user. the user refuse (is a mobile phone) the call the asterisk go to the next extension. correct ?`
`18:11.52`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`andreaf: that falls to the "h" standard Extension`
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`18:13.56`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`andreaf: Everything depends on WHAT is doing the dial. If you're in the dialplan already and issue Dial, then it goes to the next priority unless the calls is #1 Answered, or #2 the CALLER hangs up. If the call is answered dialplan can resume if you used the "g" Dial option`
`18:14.55`	`andreaf`	`ok, the outgoing call is generated programmatically with a script`
`18:16.12`	`andreaf`	`here you can find the istruction sent to asterisk by API and the notable exntesions http://pastebin.ca/1285177`
`18:16.16`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`andreaf: MEANINGLESS`
`18:16.58`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`andreaf: You are eather in the dialplan, or NOT.`
`18:17.22`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`andreaf: And your PB is empty`
`18:17.39`	`jaytee`	`whew! thought I was going blind for a second :-)`
`18:18.11`	`andreaf`	`snort'`
`18:19.17`	`andreaf`	`another pastebin http://pastebin.com/m736e965`
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`18:20.10`	`andreaf`	`I fixed the priority in extension...`
`18:21.02`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`andreaf: Well if they 2nd party doesn't answer, everything I just told you applies`
`18:21.23`	`jaytee`	`looks more like you broke it. every exten => in a dialplan needs a priority 1`
`18:21.43`	`andreaf`	`jaytee yes I fixed`
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`18:36.55`	`drmessano`	`hmmm`
`18:38.20`	`jaytee`	`looks like farkus is stuck in the revolving door again`
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`18:39.41`	`drmessano`	`yep`
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`18:46.59`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`drmessano: Kicking didn't keep him out till an intentional rejoin, and I can't say its temp-ban worthy....`
`18:47.17`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`drmessano: Annoying as all hell though...`
`18:47.25`	`drmessano`	`Its been going on for two days`
`18:48.20`	`drmessano`	`Farkus sucks`
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`18:51.45`	`jaytee`	`lol`
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`19:29.58`	`eppigy`	`hello`
`19:30.01`	`eppigy`	`i am dave`
`19:31.48`	`seanbright`	`holy crap`
`19:32.12`	`seanbright`	`watching CBS and they just had a news break about bush getting shoes thrown at him in bahgdad`
`19:32.17`	`seanbright`	`heh`
`19:33.42`	`jaytee`	`that's considered one of the highest forms of insult in the middle east, topped only by a beheading`
`19:34.58`	`eppigy`	`stoning a close third`
`19:35.12`	`seanbright`	`bush did a good job dodging the shoes though`
`19:35.34`	`Subdolus`	`followed nearly by urinating in the tea pot`
`19:35.48`	`Subdolus`	`wait.. what?`
`19:36.26`	`jaytee`	`mmmm, and all that time I thought it was cardamom coffee`
`19:39.53`	`joako`	`Anyone use A2Billing? How do I make it "see" the CDRs?`
`19:40.58`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`jaytee: If beheading is an insult, I'd hate to see what they do to someone they REALLY don''t like...`
`19:41.25`	`jaytee`	`[TK]D-Fender, amen!`
`19:41.38`	`afink`	`Hey guys I have been having a problem with my asterisk server losing its D-Channel about every two weeks. Usually after restarting asterisk and zaptel enough and messing around in the GUI (which I am getting rid of) it will stay online. Has anyone else seen this? People on the internet with similar problems seem to think it could be driver problem. I am using zaptel and a TE122P.`
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`19:43.21`	`jaytee`	`afink, do you have resetinterval=never in your zapata.conf file?`
`19:44.53`	`afink`	`jaytee: I do not, just a commented out resetinterval = 3600`
`19:45.11`	`jaytee`	`although if it happens only every two weeks that would not likely be a cause.`
`19:45.51`	`afink`	`it does seem to happen after a reset though. I'll give it a shot`
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`19:46.24`	`jaytee`	`do you have anything scheduled in cron every two weeks like backups or such?`
`19:47.01`	`afink`	`nope`
`19:47.19`	`jaytee`	`does it lose the D channel at the same time of day each time? or around the same time?`
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`19:48.00`	`afink`	`no its pretty sparatic`
`19:48.44`	`clive-`	`hi guys, .. can someone help me, I am getting a "kernel sources not found" error, and I am not sure if I have them, or if a sym link is needed ?`
`19:48.51`	`jaytee`	`if it's random or sporadic then you need to try and pinpoint what's causing it by looking at what's going on on the server at that time and ruling out interrupt latency.`
`19:49.12`	`jaytee`	`clive-, you need to install the kernel headers. what distro?`
`19:49.24`	`clive-`	`jaytee, thanks, its centos 5.1`
`19:49.35`	`Qwell`	`yum install kernel-devel`
`19:49.37`	`jaytee`	`clive-, yum -y install kernel-devel`
`19:49.43`	`afink`	`jaytee: im beginning to think there might be some physical problems causing the issue`
`19:49.44`	`clive-`	`its intsalled`
`19:49.48`	`afink`	`bad wiring etc.`
`19:49.53`	`Qwell`	yum install kernel-devel-`uname -r`
`19:51.30`	`afink`	`at this point I can't even get it to come back online. Here is what happens when I stop asterisk and reload zap. http://pastebin.com/m54761025`
`19:51.31`	`jaytee`	`afink, bad wiring is possible if it's something causing an intermittent loss of connection, like when a cable with a loose connector or lousy crimp gets jostled by someone.`
`19:52.06`	`clive-`	`seems like my kernel and its sources have different names :(`
`19:52.55`	`clive-`	`thanks for your help`
`19:53.10`	`afink`	`ya I think its time to investigate that, ISP says everything is all gravy to the NIU so I think it has to be between the NIU and asterisk. Plus I was running some wires a few days ago that go right past the ISDN line. Thanks!`
`19:54.26`	`jaytee`	`afink, just and FYI. Everything is always gravy to NIU according to almost every telco on the planet. Even when some assclown with a backhoe takes out the fiber cable running to your facility from the CO.`
`19:55.01`	`afink`	`for sure. they never want to take responsibility. Had that happen a few weeks ago too.`
`19:55.30`	`jaytee`	`I suspect things will only get better now that the telcos are laying people off by the thousands :-)`
`19:56.54`	`afink`	`=$`
`19:57.32`	`jaytee`	`"Jimmy, you're going to be taking over the PRI trouble desk at the NOC. Here's a book on T1s." "But that was Frank's job!" "Well, due to budget problems we had to lay Frank off." "But he had twenty years experience!" "Don't worry, you can have 2 weeks to get up to speed"`
`19:58.45`	`clive-`	`afinc, what is your issue..?`
`20:00.59`	`afink`	`intermittently losing my D-channel on a t1`
`20:02.04`	`clive-`	`afink, I am having a similar issue on an E1, turns out my telco has different timming on the 2 pri's, and digium cards cant handle when 2 timmings are not the same, so it gets HDLC errors and eventaully drops the pri`
`20:03.04`	`Subdolus`	`harsh.`
`20:03.42`	`clive-`	`I am busy with this issue at this moment actually`
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`20:05.32`	`metfan2007`	`hi all!!! I'm receiving a lot of "chan_zap.c:2398 pri_find_dchan: No D-channels available! Using Primary channel 16 as D-channel anyway!" messages, telco says link is ok, any idea?`
`20:11.20`	`afink`	`another similar one, metfan2007 are using a full pri?`
`20:11.33`	`afink`	`d-channel should usually be 24`
`20:12.16`	`metfan2007`	`afink: I'm using E1s, in E1 is 16th channel`
`20:13.43`	`afink`	`cool, sounds like clive- is having a similar issue to yours also`
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`20:18.00`	`ocnarf`	`is possible to load my g729 lics i used in 1.2 to 1.4?`
`20:19.23`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`ocnarf: Should be. You just need to proper codec compiled for 1.4`
`20:19.44`	`ocnarf`	`great`
`20:19.50`	`ocnarf`	`thanks D-Fender`
`20:22.04`	`afink`	`the GUI really makes everything a lot harder when things start going wrong.`
`20:22.29`	`afink`	`should have listened to everyone...`
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`21:23.19`	`eppigy`	`hello`
`21:23.22`	`eppigy`	`i am dave`
`21:27.30`	`ricko73`	`Hello Dave`
`21:28.26`	`ricko73`	`I am HAL`
`21:28.28`	`ricko73`	`;)`
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`21:28.45`	`ricko73`	`sorry, I couldn't resist`
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`21:49.14`	`rue_mohr`	`hah`
`21:49.59`	`eppigy`	`yes`
`21:50.12`	`eppigy`	`that was good`
`21:54.42`	`andreaf`	`mmm, a good way to debug the dialplan (matching extension and so) ?`
`22:01.29`	`mosty`	`andreaf, besides looking at the logs?`
`22:01.44`	`eppigy`	`BURN`
`22:01.55`	`eppigy`	`Consequences David`
`22:02.20`	`ricko73`	`Dave, I can't let you do that`
`22:02.37`	`eppigy`	`D:`
`22:02.48`	`eppigy`	`I am Dave Casey`
`22:04.47`	`andreaf`	`mosty: apparently an extension does'nt match`
`22:07.29`	`mosty`	`what extension, and what dialplan line?`
`22:09.36`	`andreaf`	`a "custom" content with an extention that should check the answer status`
`22:11.03`	`andreaf`	`exten => s,2,Goto(s-${DIALSTATUS},1)`
`22:11.03`	`andreaf`	`exten => s-NOANSWER,1,Dial(SIP/NUMBER@PROVIDER)`
`22:12.00`	`mosty`	`so you're saying it doesn't jump to the second line? what is ${DIALSTATUS} ?`
`22:12.54`	`andreaf`	`according the RTFM is the system variable set by asterisk during the call`
`22:13.22`	`andreaf`	`http://www.voip-info.org/wiki-Asterisk+variable+DIALSTATUS`
`22:15.35`	`guax`	`andreaf: can you paste (pastebin) your dialplan?`
`22:17.04`	`andreaf`	`guax: http://pastebin.com/m18449d64`
`22:17.35`	`andreaf`	`you can find the context and the command line that i use for generating outgoing call`
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`22:19.14`	`guax`	`what a messy dialplan uh`
`22:19.35`	`andreaf`	`guax: why ?`
`22:19.40`	`guax`	`andreaf: what exactly it should do?`
`22:20.15`	`andreaf`	`guax: send an outgoing call, check the status and if is not answered call another number (with a SIP channel /proxy)`
`22:22.37`	`guax`	`well, you are not sending an outgoing call, just answering and gotoing to s- then a dial to SIP/+3939271133560@sip1.sipdiscount.com, then hangup`
`22:23.24`	`andreaf`	`guax: i sent and outgoing call by command line shell (you can check in the pastebin)`
`22:23.25`	`guax`	`you sould dial on s,1,Dial(), then s,n,goto(s-${DIALSTATUS},1)`
`22:23.54`	`guax`	`you originate in the command shell the dialplan do the dial`
`22:25.40`	`guax`	`andreaf: see that http://pastebin.com/d3ace5b35`
`22:25.42`	`andreaf`	`guax: sorry ? i don't originate the real call in the command line ? http://www.voip-info.org/tiki-index.php?page=Asterisk+auto-dial+out`
`22:27.14`	`andreaf`	`guax: ok, thanks for the tip but i can generate an outgoing call without the command line \|\| API ?`
`22:28.12`	`guax`	`sorry, dont understand your question.`
`22:29.30`	`andreaf`	`guax: i have to generate programmatically an outgoing call. I use the command line "originate" command to send data to asterisk, matching the extension that I want use`
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`22:30.08`	`guax`	`andreaf: you do the originate directly in the cli?`
`22:30.19`	`guax`	`you can try the manager api`
`22:30.21`	`andreaf`	`guax: the number that I want to call is in the command line originate command, the second number that i want to call (if the fist is busy) is in the extension`
`22:30.32`	`andreaf`	`guax: yes in the cli (for debugging)`
`22:31.34`	`andreaf`	`originate SIP/NUMBER@provider extension @EXTENSIONAME`
`22:32.46`	`guax`	`what you are doing is connecting SIP/+393484531571@sip1.sipdiscount.com with SIP/+3939271133560@sip1.sipdiscount.com`
`22:33.03`	`guax`	`aways`
`22:33.11`	`andreaf`	`guax: ies this is (more or less) the final idea`
`22:33.52`	`andreaf`	`but if the first does not respond I want to "switch" to another number`
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`22:35.48`	`guax`	`andreaf: http://pastebin.com/d69983462 that sould do the job`
`22:37.51`	`andreaf`	`is trying`
`22:39.42`	`andreaf`	`nope, the first call is ok (the call that is originate by cli) but apprently don't call the second number`
`22:41.52`	`guax`	`if the call originate as well the DIALSTATUS is ANSWER`
`22:42.04`	`guax`	`check what happens in the dialplan, paste the log if possible`
`22:46.55`	`andreaf`	`guax: is my first question. How i can debug a dialplan :)`
`22:47.11`	`guax`	`core set verbose 15`
`22:47.16`	`guax`	`then try to place the call again`
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`22:47.48`	`guax`	`andreaf: comunication problems aways getting things worst =P`
`22:48.31`	`andreaf`	`i'm supposing some problems with the sip proxy`
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`23:00.42`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`andreaf: the dialplan part of your dial is not "what to do if the CHANNEL: doesn't answer"`
`23:01.01`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`andreaf: its what gets called when they DO.`
`23:01.55`	`andreaf`	`ok, and how I can check if the user doesn't answer ?`
`23:03.32`	`andreaf`	`I'm understanding the problem, the check is on the second number, not on the first`
`23:06.21`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`andreaf: You seem to have a real issue understanding what "Originate" does. Its calls the "Channel:" you specify and if they answer, it puts them into the dialplan at the Context:Exten:Priority you specify.`
`23:06.22`	`guax`	`if you do the originate via manager api you get a answer from asterisk saying that the originate was failed`
`23:06.46`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`andreYou have not given us any clue what you want to DO if the first person even answers.`
`23:07.09`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`andreaf: So far all you are talking about is having * call people. Nothing about what to do hen they ANSWER`
`23:07.57`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`when*`
`23:08.32`	`andreaf`	`tkd-fender: i would like to call another number, if the first person doesn't answer`
`23:09.00`	`andreaf`	`ok, the complete scenario is:`
`23:09.02`	`guax`	`then the second number should originate the call`
`23:09.36`	`andreaf`	`1) call a number , waiting for the answer, when he answer, call another number and bridge the second with the firs (and more or less this is ok)`
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`23:10.08`	`andreaf`	`if the first user doesn't answer, some backup occurs (call a third number, recall the first, etc. etc.)`
`23:10.57`	`andreaf`	`all the call are generate by asterisk and bridged together (and the users can speak each other )`
`23:11.05`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`andreaf: I am not following your order.`
`23:11.14`	`andreaf`	`i know that is a very uncommon scenario`
`23:11.43`	`andreaf`	`1) outgoing call to the first number`
`23:11.51`	`andreaf`	`2) at the first number answer calling a second number`
`23:12.09`	`andreaf`	`at the second number answer bridge the communication.`
`23:12.21`	`andreaf`	`ok ? this is according to the RTFM quite simple (and more or less works)`
`23:12.45`	`andreaf`	`now the bad case`
`23:13.01`	`andreaf`	`1) calling the first number and doesn't answer`
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`23:13.14`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`andreaf: Yes, this is the basic Originate idea. Call the Channel, dump into dialplan where specified which will dial out to another party. This is normal.`
`23:13.30`	`andreaf`	`2) don't call the second and create a workaround (recall, logs, and so)`
`23:14.37`	`andreaf`	`i need in the dialplan a GOTO if the first call is not answered (for the workaround) but apparently there is no way to know if the FIRST user doesn't answer to the phone`
`23:15.36`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`andreaf: for your "Channel:" do not call a SIP device like that directly. Use a Local channel to do your dialing and you can have it perform more logic like trying A,B, & C. once something causes an Answer it will then bridge to the dialplan portion to do whatever else you want`
`23:18.09`	`andreaf`	`need to check the docs`
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