| 00:00.03 | PaulAviles | i think I a mixing messages.. sorry |
| 00:00.04 | WindowsUser | yea but i want to know what file is playing afink |
| 00:00.05 | *** join/#asterisk intralanman (n=lanman@h79.159.89.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) |
| 00:00.10 | afink | or whatever custom class u put in |
| 00:00.20 | WindowsUser | i put random=yes and i want to verify its random somehow |
| 00:00.37 | afink | its random |
| 00:00.38 | keebler64 | Well, asterisk 1.4.24.1 just installed on my EEE PC 900 running FreeBSD 7.2-Release. Works great so far. Starts/loads the config files just fine. |
| 00:01.15 | afink | trust it, unless u put custom moh in and are unsure of the format |
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| 00:01.41 | WindowsUser | k |
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| 00:02.39 | PaulAviles | or any java based software phone that can run inside a web browser? |
| 00:03.29 | keebler64 | What about sip phone apps for the iphone or nokias? |
| 00:03.44 | PaulAviles | never seen them |
| 00:04.28 | PaulAviles | the one I have on my iphone is a regular app, not a browser |
| 00:04.56 | afink | needs one for his berry |
| 00:05.31 | keebler64 | afink: BB offers a VOIP/GSM/SIP service. But they don't support asterisk. |
| 00:06.16 | keebler64 | They're releasing an end user distribution service later in the year. I spent about 2 months trying to get our company blackberries working on the SIP network. |
| 00:06.46 | PaulAviles | i recently swapped my bb with an iphone.. what a dissapointment.... |
| 00:06.47 | afink | Good to know thanks! |
| 00:07.01 | keebler64 | they want $8 just to fly out and install their servers in combination to having to purchase and install our own w2k3 servers and client leases |
| 00:07.33 | WindowsUser | $8 $8k $8m? |
| 00:07.38 | keebler64 | PaulAviles: Ditto, kinda. Only thing I really miss about my BB, at the moment, are the texting. |
| 00:07.45 | keebler64 | WindowsUser: $8000 |
| 00:07.47 | WindowsUser | cos like i'd pay eight bucks |
| 00:07.49 | afink | really I kinda wanted to try the iphone but this new tour rocks on it right now |
| 00:08.21 | PaulAviles | i think the phone is nice piece of electronics and engineering, though for business purposes does not come even close to bb |
| 00:08.26 | keebler64 | WindowsUser: that doesn't include you having to setup your own infrastructer with CISCO |
| 00:08.50 | keebler64 | would have cost us over $60K to do a full deployment. |
| 00:08.57 | keebler64 | Over the spread of 18 sites. |
| 00:09.03 | afink | jebus |
| 00:09.03 | PaulAviles | for how many units? |
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| 00:09.30 | keebler64 | 9 Custom built phones per site. (Each phone cost $1200). |
| 00:09.32 | afink | ousted all cisco eq last year. |
| 00:09.52 | keebler64 | with Asterisk, I was able to cut the cost down to about $20K. |
| 00:09.56 | WindowsUser | so thats a cisco/bb thing? |
| 00:10.02 | keebler64 | WindowsUser: Yeah. |
| 00:10.10 | PaulAviles | apparently Voiceglo used to have a web based phone.. company no longer in business... |
| 00:10.31 | keebler64 | WindowsUser: Will work with Avaya, and a few other OEM type TelCo products. But nothing in the Asterisk range. |
| 00:11.28 | keebler64 | PaulAviles: we have/had 18 remote Asterisk sites, with 9 phones per site. |
| 00:11.59 | PaulAviles | wow, that is a nice deployment. plain vanilla asterisk or any particular distro? |
| 00:12.03 | keebler64 | All on Satellite uplinks. |
| 00:12.23 | keebler64 | asterisk 1.4 |
| 00:12.26 | keebler64 | built from source |
| 00:12.50 | PaulAviles | any front end? |
| 00:12.58 | keebler64 | running on MSIWind Desktop PCs on a 4GB CF Flash card and FreeBSD |
| 00:13.00 | keebler64 | no front end |
| 00:13.07 | keebler64 | no need. |
| 00:13.11 | PaulAviles | lol... |
| 00:13.15 | afink | yuck ^^ |
| 00:13.20 | WindowsUser | oil rigs? |
| 00:13.21 | keebler64 | Meh, I like hte cli |
| 00:13.25 | keebler64 | WindowsUser: Yeah. |
| 00:13.39 | keebler64 | WindowsUser: Well, Natural Gas. |
| 00:13.51 | PaulAviles | why freebsd, would have linux been easier? |
| 00:13.55 | afink | I just got rid of ast-gui. It was the best decision ever made |
| 00:14.05 | WindowsUser | I'm a computer guy, that counts as oil to me ;) |
| 00:14.55 | keebler64 | i've used FreeBSD past 9 years. Why use anything else? I've tried Ubuntu/Xu/Flu/Ku... In fact, I first started my life with Debian back in 98. |
| 00:15.40 | PaulAviles | dammm... just 11 years old huh? |
| 00:15.46 | afink | that's what I use instead of cisco now is freebsd |
| 00:16.54 | keebler64 | PaulAviles: what? |
| 00:17.01 | keebler64 | 15 |
| 00:17.02 | keebler64 | :) |
| 00:17.14 | PaulAviles | started my life in 98... |
| 00:17.34 | keebler64 | sorry, "started my OpenSource life." |
| 00:17.39 | PaulAviles | 2009 - 1998.... |
| 00:17.45 | keebler64 | Actually first started with Litestep on Windows |
| 00:17.47 | PaulAviles | oohhhhh...:-) |
| 00:17.49 | keebler64 | in 98 |
| 00:18.42 | keebler64 | the attempted to install CorelLinux I found in a book in the trash, it failed. Then worked my way through Debain, fell in love with apt-get. Then introduced to ports... been screwed... erm. . in love since. |
| 00:19.09 | box2 | everyone should run ReactOS |
| 00:19.24 | WindowsUser | pass |
| 00:19.25 | PaulAviles | how is it? |
| 00:19.37 | box2 | reactOS is actually fairly decent |
| 00:19.49 | box2 | it plays System Shock 2 rather well |
| 00:19.49 | afink | I'm a centos user. Love yum....sometimes |
| 00:19.50 | keebler64 | Linux works fine. Really. |
| 00:19.54 | keebler64 | Its great and has its strengths. |
| 00:19.54 | PaulAviles | dude.. windows is fairly decent too... |
| 00:19.56 | keebler64 | BSD is just my preference. |
| 00:20.28 | keebler64 | I didn't want to start a distro war. |
| 00:20.39 | PaulAviles | keebler64 : where did you purchase the hardware for the pbx? |
| 00:20.45 | box2 | windows is more expensive than free though :( |
| 00:20.52 | keebler64 | Fry's. On clearance. |
| 00:20.53 | keebler64 | :) |
| 00:20.53 | PaulAviles | well.. you got me... |
| 00:21.14 | PaulAviles | fry's? wthit? |
| 00:21.20 | keebler64 | Yeah |
| 00:21.42 | keebler64 | They were discontinuing it from their store. |
| 00:21.46 | keebler64 | So we bought them all |
| 00:21.55 | keebler64 | 23. |
| 00:21.56 | PaulAviles | be that way.... |
| 00:22.10 | PaulAviles | what are the specs, how much? |
| 00:22.13 | keebler64 | $150 per |
| 00:22.19 | PaulAviles | not bad... |
| 00:22.22 | keebler64 | Atom N270 |
| 00:22.35 | keebler64 | 1gb ram, and 4gb SDHC car |
| 00:22.36 | keebler64 | d |
| 00:22.38 | box2 | they were selling EEEPC 900A's from woot for about $170 |
| 00:22.45 | keebler64 | box2: I bought 2 |
| 00:22.47 | keebler64 | :) |
| 00:22.50 | box2 | heh nice |
| 00:22.51 | keebler64 | thats what i'm typing on now. |
| 00:22.57 | box2 | my friend got one |
| 00:23.16 | keebler64 | Which SSD? I got the shaft and got the PHISON 8GBs |
| 00:23.23 | PaulAviles | how many simultaneous calls? |
| 00:23.36 | keebler64 | PaulAviles: we only tested upto 6. |
| 00:23.36 | box2 | i think his is 8gb too |
| 00:24.03 | box2 | but with 32gb usb thumb drives for $20 who cares |
| 00:24.30 | keebler64 | PaulAviles: no need for anything more than 4 for our needs. Most of them were in-house calls, no outbound. |
| 00:24.45 | keebler64 | Although I |
| 00:24.46 | keebler64 | m |
| 00:25.06 | keebler64 | trying to setup a new system to run 16+ ccs. |
| 00:25.14 | PaulAviles | similar to this http://www.techbargains.com/news_displayItem.cfm/172650? |
| 00:25.33 | keebler64 | granted, I quit. so, now I'm just doing it out of boredom. |
| 00:25.43 | WindowsUser | why'd you quit? |
| 00:26.18 | keebler64 | WindowsUser: Oil/Gas Boom collapsed. |
| 00:26.28 | keebler64 | Went from 176 rigs to the area down to 54. |
| 00:27.03 | keebler64 | Before there were 7 TelCo's doing PBX installs. Upto 9, I got out before the company went bankrupt. |
| 00:27.48 | keebler64 | PaulAviles: Yes. |
| 00:28.00 | keebler64 | Factor in the CF card and RAM, and yopu're |
| 00:28.01 | keebler64 | set |
| 00:28.11 | PaulAviles | will give it a try... |
| 00:29.00 | WindowsUser | good timing then :) |
| 00:35.35 | ethicx | anyone here running asterisk with BroadVoice? |
| 00:37.17 | ethicx | I keep getting Registration for 'number@broadvoice.com@sip.broadvoice.com' time out errors... |
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| 00:40.39 | [TK]D-Fender | ethicx: You should already have your SIP debug in a pastebin for us to look at.... |
| 00:41.31 | [TK]D-Fender | ~pb |
| 00:41.32 | infobot | [~pb] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste , or , http://bin.cakephp.org/, or apt-get install pastebinit |
| 00:41.33 | [TK]D-Fender | ^^^^^^ |
| 00:42.55 | PaulAviles | night guys |
| 00:42.56 | PaulAviles | thanks |
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| 00:51.52 | [TK]D-Fender | Ok, checkout time for a while, back later |
| 00:51.56 | ethicx | here it is |
| 00:51.57 | ethicx | http://pastebin.ca/1515320 |
| 00:52.28 | [TK]D-Fender | ethicx: You have not set your server up properly to work from behind NAT <- |
| 00:52.33 | [TK]D-Fender | ethicx: Contact: <sip:1001@192.168.1.105> <----- |
| 00:52.36 | [TK]D-Fender | ~sipnat |
| 00:52.37 | infobot | [~sipnat] Quick guide on configuring * + SIP behind NAT : http://www.aocomputing.net/?p=3 , otherwise check the WIKI at http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+SIP+NAT+solutions |
| 00:53.25 | [TK]D-Fender | is off... |
| 00:54.07 | ethicx | is port udp 5060 the only one that needs to be forwarded to the asterisk box? |
| 00:54.35 | ethicx | k ill read the links .thanks |
| 00:54.39 | [TK]D-Fender | ethicx: read the guide, there is a hell of a lot more than just ports forward |
| 00:54.47 | [TK]D-Fender | ethicx: And its all in there. |
| 00:55.09 | [TK]D-Fender | ethicx: If it fails then you haven't followed the guide properly. |
| 00:56.21 | ethicx | ok cool |
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| 02:14.25 | kyoshi | has anyone tried and compared grandstream and audiocodes analong FXS ATA's? |
| 02:14.48 | kyoshi | or audiocodes in general? |
| 02:15.13 | phix | G'day |
| 02:15.25 | WindowsUser | sorry i just have experience with spa3102 |
| 02:15.34 | phix | WindowsUser: I have one of those |
| 02:15.38 | kyoshi | who makes the spa3102? |
| 02:15.43 | phix | Echo + low volume/ |
| 02:15.46 | WindowsUser | cisco/linksys these days |
| 02:15.50 | phix | kyoshi: linksys / cisci |
| 02:15.50 | kyoshi | ahh |
| 02:15.52 | phix | cisco |
| 02:15.54 | phix | :) |
| 02:15.58 | WindowsUser | I dont have much echo problem but i do have low volume |
| 02:16.03 | phix | same |
| 02:16.05 | kyoshi | nah i was looking to stay away from linksys |
| 02:16.15 | WindowsUser | ~grandsuck |
| 02:16.17 | kyoshi | i hear audiocodes are really nice |
| 02:16.31 | phix | I bought me a wctdm24xxp0: |
| 02:16.37 | phix | they are awesome |
| 02:16.51 | kyoshi | who makes the wctdm24 ? |
| 02:16.53 | phix | ~$400 though, but no issues at all, works smooth |
| 02:16.58 | phix | Digium |
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| 02:17.10 | kyoshi | digium makes ATA's now? |
| 02:17.11 | phix | and other companies make clones of them |
| 02:17.50 | phix | kyoshi: didn't they always? or at least get some of company to make them and they badge them digium |
| 02:18.14 | kyoshi | i thought they only make cards, not gateways |
| 02:18.34 | kyoshi | yea i dont see any ATA's on their site |
| 02:18.51 | kyoshi | pbx appliances, cards, thats about it |
| 02:19.01 | drclue | I'm sure I saw ATA's on their site during my last shopping trip :) |
| 02:19.09 | phix | oh |
| 02:19.09 | phix | ATA |
| 02:19.15 | phix | no, I am talking about their cards |
| 02:19.16 | phix | PCI |
| 02:19.17 | kyoshi | yea dude |
| 02:19.20 | kyoshi | nah |
| 02:19.21 | kyoshi | ATA's |
| 02:19.48 | phix | well it is a bridge :) analog to digital |
| 02:19.51 | kyoshi | i got customers who dont wanna get rid of their old PBX's yet so we can at least get them like 8-16-24 port ATA gateways |
| 02:20.14 | phix | kyoshi: just get a 8-16-24 port PCI card :) |
| 02:20.21 | WindowsUser | uhm |
| 02:20.22 | kyoshi | i think you're missing the point |
| 02:20.25 | phix | setup asterisk and BAM! an awesome PBX |
| 02:20.30 | phix | no I am not |
| 02:20.36 | kyoshi | the PCI card will NOT work in other pbx's like Mitel or Avaya |
| 02:20.37 | WindowsUser | for 16 or 24 ports I'd get a PCI card personally |
| 02:20.48 | drclue | I have a customer with a decades old answering service who is working their way towards asterisk |
| 02:20.51 | WindowsUser | PCI card + cheapypc |
| 02:20.53 | kyoshi | especially since we are not supporting the PBX |
| 02:21.06 | kyoshi | there is no PC-based PBX |
| 02:21.13 | kyoshi | so the PCI card idea is not going to work |
| 02:21.17 | phix | kyoshi: it doesn't support phone lines in? |
| 02:21.21 | WindowsUser | oh my god |
| 02:21.21 | kyoshi | so yea., i feel you're missing the point |
| 02:21.23 | WindowsUser | i feel like fender |
| 02:21.37 | kyoshi | look |
| 02:21.55 | phix | kyoshi: I have a site that has an old PBX, it has 3 spare ports to plug into land line, I plugged it into an asterisk box instead, works fine |
| 02:21.57 | kyoshi | example, panasonic PBX. has a PRI interface and 8 port analog for POTS |
| 02:22.06 | WindowsUser | buy a label maker, a small pc, a 24port analog pci card, print out a label that says ATA |
| 02:22.11 | kyoshi | the customer does NOT want asterisk |
| 02:22.13 | WindowsUser | bam, the rest is all software ;) |
| 02:22.24 | kyoshi | ok, nevermind. |
| 02:22.30 | drclue | windows is like a Cadillac and Linux is like a bull dozer. Ya don't drive to work in the dozer and ya don't push dirt with a cadillac :) |
| 02:22.35 | phix | kyoshi: erh, well a ATA is the same thing |
| 02:22.41 | kyoshi | no, its not |
| 02:22.51 | phix | kyoshi: more or less, just either their own software or some modified asterisk |
| 02:22.59 | kyoshi | ATA takes analog phones that normally connect to POTS and converts it for SIP |
| 02:23.06 | WindowsUser | asterisk can do that too |
| 02:23.06 | kyoshi | 1/2/4/8/16/24 lines |
| 02:23.13 | kyoshi | wow |
| 02:23.21 | kyoshi | nevermind i came to the wrong place tonight |
| 02:23.26 | phix | kyoshi: that is what I am doing :) |
| 02:23.32 | phix | kyoshi: well you did come to an asterisl channel |
| 02:23.36 | kyoshi | right, i hope you have great luck |
| 02:23.38 | drclue | If ya buy some DID's ya can have tons of phone numbers into your asterisk box |
| 02:23.40 | phix | why would we recommend using a ATA For? |
| 02:23.42 | WindowsUser | well if you cant find a good ata, fake one with good hardware is my suggestion |
| 02:23.43 | kyoshi | i did i know. |
| 02:23.52 | phix | kyoshi: I don't need your luck :) It is working great |
| 02:24.00 | phix | kyoshi: above expectations |
| 02:24.09 | phix | better than any ATA I Have dealt with |
| 02:24.11 | kyoshi | i wasnt asking about asterisk but some people here do know other things besides asterisk. asterisk is great agreed, but it's not the end-all of voip, please understand that |
| 02:24.30 | kyoshi | the solution you are proposing is not feasible with the clients we deal with so please stop pushing your ideas that will not sell |
| 02:24.36 | WindowsUser | well everything has its suckyness right now |
| 02:24.58 | drclue | Well, if you say voip near anything like PBX , it's almost a defacto that it's Asterisk |
| 02:24.59 | phix | kyoshi: no, what asterisk lacks can be achieved via its scripting facility, I forgot the name of it |
| 02:25.03 | WindowsUser | you're the sucker that has to pick something :) |
| 02:25.08 | kyoshi | ok lets put it out there... ready? PC with 8 port digium card running asterisk... $1600+ |
| 02:25.10 | drclue | FastAGI |
| 02:25.14 | drclue | AMI |
| 02:25.15 | phix | kyoshi: you just need to crack open a can of python :) |
| 02:25.25 | kyoshi | audiocodes to do the job, under $1k |
| 02:25.25 | drclue | Or PHP , or JAVA or whatever |
| 02:25.31 | phix | drclue: yes |
| 02:25.40 | WindowsUser | kyoshi: so how good are thier atas? |
| 02:25.49 | kyoshi | audiocodes? rated one of the best |
| 02:26.20 | kyoshi | but i ned to do side by side comparison with other mfg's if my company is going to suggest a product for CPE |
| 02:26.44 | kyoshi | and right now we only support ip pbx systems, not hardware-based CPE |
| 02:27.31 | phix | kyoshi: sure, and you are limited to what ever features / options / codecs the manufactor puts in those ATAs |
| 02:27.40 | WindowsUser | im sure he knows this |
| 02:27.45 | phix | ok :) |
| 02:27.45 | kyoshi | not the point |
| 02:27.51 | phix | what is the point then? |
| 02:28.13 | WindowsUser | hes just asking if we've got experience with good atas |
| 02:28.20 | drclue | I've been coding for 30+ years , and have been watching and using VOIP for a long time , so when it came the moment for me to work a project , it was a no brainer to use Asterisk. It has enough hooks and support that I can do anything I want |
| 02:28.28 | phix | ah |
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| 02:29.07 | phix | drclue: yes |
| 02:29.40 | phix | kyoshi: ok well, the answer is no, I have not used a good ATA, they have all had their own issues |
| 02:30.09 | phix | the SPA3201 for example, low volume with this one, another one had bad echo issues |
| 02:30.10 | kyoshi | our company is certainly backended by a highly-modified version of asterisk however, not all corporate customers are ready to thro away their pbx that they spent over $5k to $15k on. so for the time being, we need to provide them with a reliable CPE that is affordable and not going to crush us in cost for provisioning. also something that is not built as a PBX, just an interface between POTS/PRI and SIP. |
| 02:30.33 | drclue | I'm still wood shedding with Asterisk , but I have it running , and I'm writing my tools for Fast AGI / AMI and in less than a month I have all sorts of working phones including my WiFi phone , a couple of ATA's and the UPS guy should have my Digium card here soon |
| 02:30.38 | kyoshi | phix, your thoughts on an ATA is probably linksys or something to that effect. |
| 02:31.00 | phix | kyoshi: yes, so put in an asterisk box next to the PBX, I have setup a lot of those in my time :) they work awesome and allow more features to be added easily without having to spend more money on it |
| 02:31.01 | kyoshi | but there are commercial grade products also |
| 02:31.20 | drclue | phix yes : side by side with the PBX |
| 02:31.23 | kyoshi | phix, go work for digium doing sales, you'd be good at it. you have no sale with me tho |
| 02:31.35 | phix | kyoshi: yes, that is correct, lol commerical grade you say |
| 02:31.40 | WindowsUser | hrm |
| 02:31.54 | kyoshi | phix, your laughter indicates lack of understanding |
| 02:32.10 | phix | kyoshi: I am completely unafilliated and will remain unafilliated :) just letting you know my experience :) |
| 02:32.17 | WindowsUser | I wonder if the spa3102's problems could be fixed by tuning it |
| 02:32.17 | kyoshi | so i pose this to you, 1k+ users in a company. do you suggest asterisk for their PBX? |
| 02:32.23 | drclue | kyoshi: my gig is going to save my customer a thousanda of dollars a month over their existing PBX |
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| 02:33.24 | phix | kyoshi: yes, why not, or several of them |
| 02:33.46 | kyoshi | single PBX |
| 02:33.46 | WindowsUser | kyoshi: what model(s) were you looking at for audiocodes? |
| 02:33.47 | kyoshi | do you know the difference in a company with 600+ end users running mitel and asterisk? i do. |
| 02:33.47 | phix | kyoshi: that is stupid, where is your redundancy? |
| 02:34.08 | drclue | I would certainly recommend Asterisk as the server. One would need to study the way the phones are used to decide the best layout, but think about this , most folks selling consummer voip services are using Asterisk to support many many thoudands of users |
| 02:34.15 | kyoshi | in a nortel, you need not worry about redundancy |
| 02:34.24 | kyoshi | ok try this one... |
| 02:34.33 | phix | drclue: agreed |
| 02:34.46 | phix | and most ATAs use some form of asterisk + linux under the hood |
| 02:34.53 | kyoshi | in a Sheraton Hotel, 1200 rooms plus administrative offices, would you install a single asterisk box? |
| 02:35.06 | phix | kyoshi: I wouldn't install a single ATA either |
| 02:35.15 | kyoshi | i never spoke about a single ATA |
| 02:35.20 | kyoshi | you're missing the point |
| 02:35.24 | WindowsUser | kyoshi: I'd put a small cluster of computers in a big box |
| 02:35.25 | kyoshi | totally missing the point |
| 02:35.42 | kyoshi | WU: have you ever seen the phone systems in a hotel that size? |
| 02:35.43 | phix | kyoshi: oh, so you are not comparing eggs for eggs then :) |
| 02:35.44 | drclue | Well, how many of the 1200 rooms are on the phone at the worst time? Even AT&T can give you an "all circuits are busy" message |
| 02:35.47 | phix | for = to |
| 02:36.02 | phix | heh |
| 02:36.02 | kyoshi | phix, i am, but you dont seem to understand the magnitude of the customer |
| 02:36.16 | phix | ok, it is a big customer |
| 02:36.25 | WindowsUser | okay you have a big e-penis |
| 02:36.26 | kyoshi | drclue, dont worry about the provider, worry about the internal phone system. |
| 02:36.26 | WindowsUser | moving on |
| 02:36.35 | kyoshi | phix, yes it is and thats the size customer we deal with |
| 02:36.44 | kyoshi | i am NOT asking about the PBX or the phone system |
| 02:36.46 | kyoshi | i never was |
| 02:36.53 | kyoshi | the phone system is NOT my concern |
| 02:37.03 | WindowsUser | im still curious about these audiocodes atas |
| 02:37.03 | phix | kyoshi: ok |
| 02:37.04 | kyoshi | i was asking about a gateway for multi-port POTS |
| 02:37.23 | phix | kyoshi: ok, asterisk with DIgium PCI card |
| 02:37.24 | drclue | I'm not worried about the provider , simply how much real load is on the server. 1200 rooms , how many are on the phone ? |
| 02:37.41 | WindowsUser | oh hey |
| 02:37.46 | phix | hey WindowsUser |
| 02:37.50 | drclue | How many are calling internally versus trunking out |
| 02:37.51 | kyoshi | phix, get off asterisk already you're a broken record with no understanding of the application |
| 02:37.51 | WindowsUser | "channel bank" |
| 02:38.04 | kyoshi | clue, about 300+ concurrent |
| 02:38.20 | phix | kyoshi: :) you asked a question, I answered it |
| 02:38.29 | kyoshi | clue, thats not our problem, the customer will be suscribing to X or Y number of hannels with us |
| 02:39.04 | phix | kyoshi: if you want other factors to be taken into consideration then add them in as variables :) |
| 02:39.08 | kyoshi | phix : and i appreciate that you answered it to the best of your ability and i informed you that you do no understand the application and that you refrain from insisting that you do but you continue to push on |
| 02:39.11 | kyoshi | it gets tiring |
| 02:39.38 | drclue | Well, there are a couple of ways of approaching it , but probably to keep costs down on hardware , about 60 calls per $200 Walmart PC |
| 02:39.45 | WindowsUser | kyoshi: have you looked at sangoma? |
| 02:40.13 | kyoshi | so i asked originally if someone had experience or knowledge of a specific brand of media gateway, ATA or other multi-port FXS device |
| 02:40.25 | kyoshi | WU: not looking for PCI cards for PC's |
| 02:40.34 | kyoshi | looking for a rack-mountable media gateway |
| 02:40.44 | WindowsUser | hrm i might be guessing the wrong company name |
| 02:41.09 | kyoshi | http://www.audiocodes.com/CPE |
| 02:41.14 | kyoshi | go take a look, you may begin to udnerstand |
| 02:41.48 | drclue | No problem at looking at links , but of the work I do |
| 02:41.52 | kyoshi | http://www.audiocodes.com/products/mediant-1000 this would be for PRI's |
| 02:42.13 | kyoshi | and lemme insist that when I say PRI, that is a PRI interface on the EXISTING PBX |
| 02:42.19 | kyoshi | i am not looking to replace any customer PBX |
| 02:42.30 | kyoshi | i am only providing them an interface for non-sip compliant PBX' |
| 02:42.35 | *** join/#asterisk Alfio (n=Amunoz@adsl-54-41.tricom.net) |
| 02:42.43 | kyoshi | http://www.audiocodes.com/products/mediapack-1xx this one is for POTS-based pbx' |
| 02:43.59 | *** join/#asterisk darksmurf (n=asdf@adsl-99-40-143-22.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net) |
| 02:44.12 | drclue | Well, I would say your sorta going down a different path then the one I am, and matter of fact , my client is heading away from their PBX in an incremental fashion |
| 02:44.43 | kyoshi | we are not system integrators.. we are the provider |
| 02:44.45 | WindowsUser | keep at it guys, just remember to link things :) |
| 02:44.47 | kyoshi | see my point? |
| 02:45.10 | box2 | i see your point, and raise you $200 |
| 02:45.14 | kyoshi | its not our place to tell them "oh well this old style non-SIP compliant machine is crap and should be trashed" |
| 02:45.22 | kyoshi | it's our place to provide them with working service |
| 02:45.30 | drclue | What is it that your the provider of (so many providers of so many things) |
| 02:45.38 | phix | kyoshi: erh, so by a rack mount computer and sit a PCI card in it :) |
| 02:45.42 | kyoshi | ISP/ITSP |
| 02:45.51 | kyoshi | phix, get over it already |
| 02:45.52 | phix | sit = stick |
| 02:45.58 | kyoshi | we are not the freakin integrators |
| 02:45.58 | phix | :) |
| 02:46.03 | kyoshi | we do not touch the pbx stuff |
| 02:46.12 | darksmurf | so..uh..how can I view zap channel information? I would like to know if my modem is being used as a zap trunk. |
| 02:46.14 | phix | kyoshi: ah, so you are in the wrong channel then |
| 02:46.31 | WindowsUser | now im wondering how many of the people in here are bots ;) |
| 02:46.35 | kyoshi | no because sometimes there are VERY knowledgable people in here, just not at this time :( |
| 02:46.44 | phix | kyoshi: I can integrate it for you if you like :) |
| 02:46.56 | carrar | ERROR |
| 02:46.59 | drclue | So you sorta want to fake out their PBX into believing your a PRI or such? |
| 02:47.04 | kyoshi | phix, are you a nationwide integration provider that can handle mutiple projects? |
| 02:47.24 | kyoshi | clue, its not a fake out. it is what it is. just provided in a different method. |
| 02:47.29 | kyoshi | its compatibility |
| 02:47.37 | kyoshi | thasts why those devices exist |
| 02:47.43 | drclue | Same song sifferent words |
| 02:47.48 | kyoshi | nopes |
| 02:47.50 | kyoshi | not at all |
| 02:48.31 | kyoshi | so using that logic, the vonage ATA they deliver to you is a fake out for your phone |
| 02:48.33 | phix | kyoshi: yes, why not :) |
| 02:48.34 | box2 | fake left, fake right, SIP connection acknowledged |
| 02:48.52 | phix | phear my awesome indian call centre! |
| 02:49.08 | kyoshi | phix, so can you do nationwide integration on site? |
| 02:49.10 | *** part/#asterisk darksmurf (n=asdf@adsl-99-40-143-22.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net) |
| 02:49.21 | shido6 | nationwide integration? |
| 02:49.33 | phix | kyoshi: sure, just pay for my travel expenses :) |
| 02:49.35 | kyoshi | 22:45] <phix> kyoshi: I can integrate it for you if you like :) |
| 02:49.40 | kyoshi | we dont pay for anything |
| 02:49.43 | kyoshi | we are just a provider |
| 02:49.47 | kyoshi | system itegrators come to us |
| 02:49.52 | kyoshi | we do not go to you |
| 02:49.56 | kyoshi | look |
| 02:49.57 | drclue | T1 lines can be adjusted in configuration to work with both AFAIK , but old PBX systems were something I walked through as a kid |
| 02:49.58 | shido6 | who is "us" ? |
| 02:50.19 | Alfio | anyone here has installed asterisk in fedora 11 ? |
| 02:50.28 | phix | Alfio: nope |
| 02:50.31 | kyoshi | ok i see the kids havent gone to bed yet, i'll be back after bedtime. |
| 02:50.32 | phix | not I |
| 02:50.34 | shido6 | I can fly anywhere |
| 02:51.02 | phix | kyoshi: ok, so stop talking and buy one of those devices then |
| 02:51.05 | box2 | kyoshi: ease down a bit |
| 02:51.19 | kyoshi | gnite children |
| 02:51.20 | *** part/#asterisk kyoshi (i=60f699fa@gateway/web/freenode/session) |
| 02:51.20 | WindowsUser | Alfio: compile it! |
| 02:51.23 | phix | lol |
| 02:51.27 | phix | I am glad he is gone |
| 02:51.29 | box2 | internet is such serious business |
| 02:51.29 | Alfio | phix you are speaking for the complete channel |
| 02:51.53 | phix | Alfio: no, sorry, I added "not I" on the next line :) |
| 02:52.13 | phix | I was speaking about my self, not the entire channel |
| 02:52.20 | Alfio | ok |
| 02:52.26 | box2 | fedora 11 makes me cry |
| 02:52.35 | drclue | pipe is pipe and it largely the bits in the pipe that make the big difference |
| 02:52.59 | box2 | in the pipe, five by five |
| 02:53.14 | Alfio | i have an asus eee pc |
| 02:53.22 | phix | Alfio: but I have got it working nicely on Debian Lenny and Ubuntu Jaunty |
| 02:53.37 | Alfio | i dont like debian based distro |
| 02:53.40 | Alfio | :) |
| 02:53.54 | phix | Alfio: really? I don't like Redhat like distros :) |
| 02:53.59 | drclue | I love Debian , always a little behind the curve , but I love it and boot to it as my daily driver |
| 02:54.06 | phix | then again, I havn't used the new ones |
| 02:54.23 | phix | drclue: <3 |
| 02:54.27 | box2 | debian is my daily driver too |
| 02:54.29 | box2 | squeeze |
| 02:54.43 | phix | drclue: 30+ years of programming experience, you love debian, are you single? :P |
| 02:54.58 | WindowsUser | Alfio: are you the same guy as earlier or is asterisk now cool for the eeepc crowd? ;) |
| 02:54.59 | drclue | ROTFLOL |
| 02:55.33 | phix | :) |
| 02:55.42 | phix | Alfio: ummm, why an eeepc? |
| 02:55.44 | drclue | I'm not single but my other half lets me play :) |
| 02:55.55 | phix | heh |
| 02:56.04 | phix | awesome |
| 02:56.09 | WindowsUser | Alfio: easier to throw when it dont work |
| 02:56.11 | Alfio | phix because i have one and i want a test lab machine |
| 02:56.14 | WindowsUser | err |
| 02:56.17 | WindowsUser | i meant that to phix |
| 02:56.29 | phix | WindowsUser: hehe |
| 02:56.32 | phix | and cheaper too |
| 02:56.40 | phix | that is one of the main reasons I want an eeepc |
| 02:56.59 | *** join/#asterisk Deeewayne (n=dwayne@76.29.245.9) |
| 02:56.59 | *** mode/#asterisk [+o Deeewayne] by ChanServ |
| 02:57.23 | phix | Alfio: ok :) a core 2 duo setup would be around the same price as an eeepc (ex monitor though, but you dont need it, SSH for the win) |
| 02:57.50 | phix | Alfio: unless you have one of those 7" ones |
| 02:58.06 | Alfio | phix I GOT AN EEE PC i dont have a core 2 duo setup would be around the same price as an eeepc (ex monitor though, but you dont need it, SSH for the win) undestand my way |
| 02:58.20 | drclue | Asterisk and such will run on just about anything. The PBX in a flash distro proudly proclaims a <$200 Walmart computer as a great host machine for it's setup. |
| 02:58.46 | WindowsUser | we go to war with the army we have, not with the one we want |
| 02:58.50 | phix | Alfio: echo "80+160+80+40+35"|bc |
| 02:58.50 | phix | 395 |
| 02:58.58 | phix | (AUD) |
| 02:59.12 | WindowsUser | phix: crap on the desk is cheaper than crap at walmart |
| 02:59.19 | WindowsUser | (any currency) :) |
| 02:59.27 | phix | :) |
| 03:00.05 | WindowsUser | he only needs razzing if he asks about using a winmodem imho |
| 03:00.08 | drclue | I hate Walmart too, but was only making the point that you don't need a super cryogenic crey or something |
| 03:00.40 | phix | Alfio: well as long as you dont want to test Digium PCI cards in it you should be right with the eeepc |
| 03:00.54 | phix | I live in a land where there is no Walmart |
| 03:01.30 | WindowsUser | Alfio: do you have access to a copy of fedora 11 on a hard drive? |
| 03:01.32 | phix | although, there probably is one of their subsituaries (or however you spell it) here :( |
| 03:01.33 | drclue | phix: Is that land accepting immigrants? |
| 03:01.45 | phix | drclue: only legal ones |
| 03:01.51 | Alfio | phix i cant use pci cards whit my eee pc? |
| 03:01.57 | WindowsUser | Alfio: creating a chroot jail on a remote server for compiling is an idea |
| 03:02.02 | phix | Alfio: ummm no |
| 03:02.10 | drclue | Where ever you are , your illegal somewhere |
| 03:02.26 | Alfio | wao im feeling bad right now |
| 03:02.34 | phix | Alfio: just hop on a plane to Sydney :) |
| 03:02.50 | phix | Alfio: an eeepc is a laptop |
| 03:02.54 | drclue | I've always wanted to live down under |
| 03:03.08 | Alfio | i bouht this laptop to run a digium te122p |
| 03:03.20 | Alfio | what i going to do now |
| 03:03.58 | WindowsUser | build an adaptor :) |
| 03:04.06 | drclue | Blame it all on WMD's , I heard that has worked before |
| 03:04.09 | phix | oops, 13:02 < phix> Alfio: just hop on a plane to Sydney :) was to dr clue not Alfio :) |
| 03:04.27 | Alfio | guys i just ask here if anyone had installed just that |
| 03:04.27 | phix | Alfio: te122p? that PCI? |
| 03:04.42 | phix | Alfio: you did? I must of missed that |
| 03:05.18 | drclue | This thing http://www.digiumcards.com/Digium_TE122P-vpmadt032.html |
| 03:05.30 | Alfio | hehehehehehehe |
| 03:05.55 | phix | Alfio: and you are putting that on an eeepc? hmm I am confused |
| 03:06.00 | phix | Alfio: are you messing with me? :) |
| 03:06.21 | Alfio | yeah have you ever tried ? |
| 03:07.09 | Alfio | phix never in the life |
| 03:07.16 | drclue | So your laptop has a hole to stick that T1 thing-a-ma-jig into ? weird |
| 03:08.19 | Alfio | drclue its a new concept of tiny PBX |
| 03:08.22 | Alfio | :P |
| 03:08.50 | drclue | I would probably cheat and buy some DID's |
| 03:10.01 | drclue | Maybe cheat some more and just stuff that lady in the 3.5 inch slot as she mumbles "number please" |
| 03:11.26 | box2 | use a gameshark too |
| 03:11.36 | Alfio | my asus eee pc can support three of those cards |
| 03:12.10 | Alfio | but just when its closed and over the lid :) |
| 03:14.49 | drclue | The cards and the goodies external whatever they might be matters little. The work for me is to externalize all of the Asterisk configuration in real time. Lots of fun |
| 03:17.01 | drclue | Of course the rules are for me that I have to use a stock asterisk and achieve my goals strictly within the abilities of a non modified asterisk system since the customer does not want to exclude themselves for the free updates |
| 03:18.05 | box2 | how would you normally modify asterisk |
| 03:19.08 | shido6 | ? |
| 03:19.08 | drclue | Well , I would normally try NOT to modify a maintained software product and in this case I won't have to, but if I did it would be at the C language source code level |
| 03:20.06 | drclue | Luckily Asterisk has enough hooks by way of AMI FastAGI and all that rot that I can do the deed while leaving the asterisk source code intact |
| 03:20.14 | box2 | i would do all modification outside of the core level |
| 03:20.21 | box2 | right |
| 03:21.37 | *** join/#asterisk nightrid3r (n=borgirc-@78-20-232-172.access.telenet.be) |
| 03:21.41 | box2 | sighs |
| 03:21.47 | box2 | skype calls all night long |
| 03:21.47 | drclue | I've already written roughed in a couple of daemons for it in between beers, but I'm still trying to nail down protocol documentation |
| 03:21.53 | box2 | no one calls my conf anymore :( |
| 03:22.28 | drclue | Your conf got a SIP address , I'll pop it into my WiFi phone |
| 03:22.29 | box2 | that's cool |
| 03:22.59 | box2 | it is private ;p |
| 03:23.00 | WindowsUser | box2: you can give it a skype address now yay skype for asterisk beta |
| 03:23.12 | box2 | i havn't tried skype asterisk beta |
| 03:23.15 | drclue | I might have to call one with the other to find it in here under the empties |
| 03:23.37 | drclue | Sh*t , there it is in the charger |
| 03:24.00 | phix | skype and asterisK? |
| 03:24.02 | phix | :S |
| 03:24.05 | phix | why? |
| 03:24.26 | drclue | I really love these "QuickPhones" , really nice and simple WiFi phones. BRB smoke break |
| 03:24.43 | phix | that is like adding frontpage extensions to apache, counterproductive |
| 03:24.44 | box2 | cause my asian gangsters all use skype |
| 03:24.45 | ethicx | any voip phone recommendations ? |
| 03:25.10 | phix | ethicx: Snom have a good name |
| 03:25.21 | phix | ethicx: I am going to buy a Cisco 790xsomething too |
| 03:25.26 | phix | too = soon |
| 03:25.30 | phix | will let you know how that goes |
| 03:25.55 | ethicx | phix: I was thinking of the cisco 7902G |
| 03:26.28 | phix | yeah |
| 03:26.30 | Qwell | ~phones |
| 03:26.30 | infobot | While personal preference will dictate which phone works best for you, general consensus on a rough order of quality and suggestibility is as follows: Polycom (any), Aastra 480i, Aastra 5i Series, Cisco 7940+, Linksys SPA-9XX, Snom, and finally everything else. Do not consider Grandstream phones. Ever. |
| 03:26.33 | phix | that sounds familar |
| 03:26.38 | phix | there are a few on eBay |
| 03:26.42 | Qwell | nobody is really going to recommend Cisco.. |
| 03:26.43 | phix | look cheapish |
| 03:26.48 | phix | Qwell: yeah |
| 03:26.56 | phix | Qwell: I want snom but I can't get it in this country |
| 03:27.00 | Qwell | with the price of a Polycom... you just...can't go wrong. |
| 03:27.03 | phix | Qwell: you want to mail some to me? |
| 03:27.13 | phix | polycom are good? |
| 03:27.19 | Qwell | Polycom are great |
| 03:27.28 | drmessano | OMG |
| 03:27.36 | drmessano | The Skype for Asterisk beta is Alive? |
| 03:27.40 | Qwell | drmessano: You're slow. |
| 03:27.50 | phix | there are alot of doctors in this channel |
| 03:27.53 | phix | PHD or medical? |
| 03:27.56 | drmessano | Hang on |
| 03:27.56 | Qwell | drmessano: and even better.. yum install asterisk-skypeforasterisk |
| 03:28.16 | phix | Qwell: s/yum/sudo apt-get/ |
| 03:28.18 | drmessano | I'm calling my grandma to see if grandpa is alive again too |
| 03:28.18 | phix | :P |
| 03:28.29 | jaytee | he's not a doctor.....he just plays one on television |
| 03:28.31 | drmessano | Until now they had the same odds |
| 03:28.34 | phix | jaytee: hehe |
| 03:28.41 | ethicx | what about wireless voip phones any good ones out there? |
| 03:28.46 | Qwell | ethicx: not really |
| 03:28.53 | shido6 | iphone w/ Skype :) |
| 03:28.56 | phix | ethicx: I was told to stay away from them |
| 03:29.09 | WindowsUser | iphone has skype but not google voice? |
| 03:29.17 | drmessano | apt-get.. Oh god.. |
| 03:29.29 | drmessano | Must be a youbunutununu user |
| 03:29.30 | shido6 | yeah well iphone has skype ( without bluetooth , too ) |
| 03:29.42 | ethicx | hum insteresting..I would like to get one downstairs but house isnt ethernet wired =( so I was thinking wireless |
| 03:29.43 | phix | ethicx: Do not get a Nokia E65 for use with SIP, it cuts out, and after firmware update no matter what number I ring, it always calls my s extension. |
| 03:29.49 | Qwell | ethicx: DECT |
| 03:30.30 | WindowsUser | I'm wondering what eventphone uses for DECT -> sip hardware if they let damn near anyone connect |
| 03:30.33 | phix | iPhone has a SIP clients doesnt it? |
| 03:30.44 | box2 | yes it does |
| 03:30.59 | ethicx | oh really..damn im downloading it now =D didnt know that. |
| 03:31.03 | phix | :P |
| 03:31.04 | jaytee | Ubuntu, made popular by Nelson Mandela, translated means "I am who I am because of who we all are.....wait! who are you again?" |
| 03:31.16 | phix | jaytee: :) |
| 03:31.21 | shido6 | I'm Batman. |
| 03:31.21 | phix | <3 Ubuntu and Debian |
| 03:31.54 | ethicx | I'm god. |
| 03:31.56 | jaytee | this computer runs Hardy |
| 03:32.05 | jaytee | I AM SPARTICUS!!! |
| 03:32.07 | shido6 | with a lower case "g" |
| 03:32.30 | phix | jaytee: Jaunty exists now |
| 03:32.50 | jaytee | phix, yes and some people actually enjoy hemorrhoids I hear |
| 03:32.59 | phix | :) |
| 03:33.35 | drmessano | ZOMG let me run out and gets the latest Newbunutu because I am sure it's well tested by all the 14 yr olds on 4chan |
| 03:33.47 | drmessano | throws some gasoline |
| 03:33.48 | drclue | I still like my "QuickPhones". I use them all over the county, where ever I can find a truly friendly WiFi router |
| 03:34.12 | WindowsUser | never heard of that |
| 03:34.23 | shido6 | kismet wifi phones on sale soon |
| 03:34.25 | jaytee | and when I tested Jaunty more than 50% of the apps I use for audio weren't available due to broken dependencies in the libraries. |
| 03:34.54 | drmessano | jaytee: Hey, thats progress! |
| 03:35.14 | WindowsUser | ubuntu hate itc |
| 03:35.42 | *** join/#asterisk ingenius (n=alektro@host215.200-45-165.telecom.net.ar) |
| 03:35.51 | drclue | I use the Ekiga softphone sometimes , but the cats chewed the wires on my headset. Even so , the QuickPhones have worked better than any other method I have be it hardware or softwar |
| 03:36.32 | drmessano | "I tried <distro> and 60% of the apps I tried on it were broken or buggy" "Dear god, 60%? We've come so far.. Look out, world!" |
| 03:38.15 | box2 | drmessano: lol |
| 03:38.40 | drclue | I keep my Debian up to date and am fairly selective about software , sorta based upon a programmers point of view. Softphones just don't really get it for me. I don't like any of the ATA's either. The WiFi phones have just flat out beat everything else I have tried |
| 03:39.07 | drmessano | drclue: You scare me |
| 03:39.51 | drclue | Booo |
| 03:40.00 | box2 | lol |
| 03:40.29 | box2 | ekiga is decent |
| 03:40.34 | box2 | but not really... good |
| 03:40.45 | box2 | i've never used a wifi phone before though |
| 03:40.59 | box2 | i always get the free phone from my cell provider |
| 03:41.36 | drclue | Ya , Ekiga is sorta OK, but how can software even try to beat a straight hardware connection |
| 03:42.28 | box2 | some softphone clients are alright, like mumble |
| 03:42.29 | drmessano | There are no decent softphones for *nix.. that is the problem.. generally, *nix users are antisocial and have few friends, if any.. an IRC client to argue with random strangers is reasonable, hence x-chat... however, a *nix user having a need to TALK to a real live person.. I dont see it |
| 03:42.32 | drclue | Software can add some bells and whistles , but I use a phone for conversation not cute features |
| 03:43.15 | box2 | i like conf's and having push-to-talk, that's all i need |
| 03:43.37 | drclue | drmessano, let's go real , and see if I actually know how to hold a realtime conversation on a phone. |
| 03:44.04 | drmessano | drclue: I dont talk to real live people.. |
| 03:44.23 | drclue | OK , I'll run as a virtual simulated human |
| 03:45.16 | drmessano | People are unstable, smell bad, have a poor user interface, and are difficult to upgrade |
| 03:45.20 | box2 | i'll use only my arnold soundboard |
| 03:45.25 | drclue | I really don't care for PTT box2 |
| 03:45.49 | box2 | drclue: for why? |
| 03:46.03 | WindowsUser | too radio like? |
| 03:46.06 | drclue | drmessano , you sound like a kernel developer , and your welcome at my next beer and bong bash |
| 03:46.18 | drmessano | ha |
| 03:46.31 | drclue | box2: we have ham radios for that |
| 03:46.52 | box2 | i was never a ham, i guess i am making up for it now |
| 03:47.10 | drmessano | Why dont you get your license.. they give them away in crackerjack boxes now |
| 03:47.43 | box2 | internet band has a wider range ;p |
| 03:47.54 | drmessano | Not really |
| 03:48.16 | drmessano | There is no internet on the moon yet.. Ham radio has been there |
| 03:48.31 | drmessano | Bounced off it, actually.. often |
| 03:48.38 | box2 | heh i suppose you have a point |
| 03:48.59 | drclue | I have a high latency terrestrial radio link and most folks cannot tell my WiFi phones from a land line. |
| 03:48.59 | drclue | Heck ya don't even need to know morse code or which hand to wipe with any more to be a HAM. It's just shy of CB good buddy |
| 03:50.10 | drmessano | Where is the 2m band located? A. 144-148MHZ, B. China, C. Mah Pants, D. 33.28N 063.72W <--- ACTUAL TEST QUESTION, ZOMG |
| 03:50.15 | drmessano | ok, maybe not quite |
| 03:50.43 | [TK]D-Fender | drmessano: "C" |
| 03:50.46 | drclue | he 2 meter band is located around the waist of a future dieter |
| 03:51.40 | drclue | Or at extension KFnot telling |
| 03:52.49 | drclue | Lets all route our Asterisk through milstar |
| 03:52.50 | drmessano | I took my no-code general a few years ago.. Been meaning to take the extra, but.... I listen to some of the tards on my repeater that just upgraded to their CB Extra and I am embaressed to know the theory and not just the answers |
| 03:54.18 | drclue | The reason milstar is not encrypted is that they could not twist the captain crunch decoder disks fast enough to order pizza |
| 03:55.03 | drmessano | I honestly feel like I could go off on someone if I am at a hamfest/club meeting/grocery store checkout and someone says "Hey, youre a ham.. What class?" "Im an extra" "Oh yeah, me too.. Can you hold my beer for a minute, I need to spit" |
| 03:55.06 | WindowsUser | drmessano: any opinion on dstar? |
| 03:55.54 | drclue | If your dish is in the foot print you can dial milstar to order a pizza and some good drugs from south America, while cracking N3 for some HBO |
| 03:56.19 | drmessano | dstar is pretty slick.. and a massive fucking sellout for ham radio.. Its bad enough hams, who are supposed to be the epitomy of experimentation, utilize open source far less than we should, but they picked a CLOSED SOURCE, LICENSED CODEC for "Ham digital".. |
| 03:56.57 | drmessano | I guess Speex was out to lunch that week |
| 03:57.19 | drclue | Hams are also known for wanting to have a secret to share , which really gets undermined if it is a google away |
| 03:57.36 | box2 | speex is sexy :( |
| 03:57.51 | WindowsUser | hah |
| 03:58.15 | WindowsUser | is it possible to license the codec in singular units? |
| 03:58.33 | drclue | ooooh , I have a TNC. Yawn , I have a pigeon and a crayon to write on a strip of paper for increased speed |
| 03:58.58 | WindowsUser | I'd bother with dstar if i could haxx0r together a piece of dstar equipment |
| 03:59.04 | *** join/#asterisk coppice (n=chatzill@110.202.17.210.dyn.pacific.net.hk) |
| 03:59.44 | WindowsUser | mornin |
| 03:59.48 | drclue | Anyone in the ham community who wants to sub license the hobby from a private corporation is welcome to not be in our log books |
| 03:59.53 | drmessano | WindowsUser: Thats part of the problem.. I dont want to pay $145 for an AMBE microphone |
| 04:00.03 | drmessano | drclue: EXACTLY |
| 04:00.41 | drclue | QSL this [picture of ass crack here] |
| 04:01.32 | drmessano | Its disappointing as hell that 90% of the decent ham apps are written for windows, are not open source, and that our idea of advancement is utilizing privately owned technology to execute our "duties" |
| 04:02.46 | drclue | Well, our society is currently aimed at growing ignorance , as the dumber the members of the society the more easily they are manipulated. |
| 04:02.48 | WindowsUser | well theres not enough hackers to go around |
| 04:03.05 | drclue | Hackers need to eat too |
| 04:03.55 | WindowsUser | hah every page of the manual for that IC says Confidential |
| 04:04.16 | drclue | "Con" being the operative |
| 04:04.42 | drmessano | Honestly, the whole idea behind hams having ANY place in the one role they even exist in anymore, emergency communications, is/was having a parallel network with less points of failure than many public safety systems.. As soon as we're all on 1G, circa 1995 caliber ham trunking systems and fail more than a 10 yr old 25cent condom, we're extinct |
| 04:05.36 | box2 | "you can't stop the signal, mal" |
| 04:06.57 | drclue | Well, look at what GPS has done to defense research. Until they were launched we were developing things that could navigate, but now it's all GPS "dumb bombs" that even Turkey has figured out how to steer just about anywhere they want |
| 04:06.57 | box2 | we should go back to using foghorns and light towers |
| 04:07.17 | WindowsUser | drmessano: so dstar bad hf good? |
| 04:07.37 | drmessano | No |
| 04:07.50 | drclue | We have discontinued all morse monitoring of the shorelines , so even less reason for folks to learn it |
| 04:08.04 | drclue | Sad thing |
| 04:08.24 | box2 | that's in .au? |
| 04:09.15 | *** part/#asterisk manxpower (n=eric@134.sub-70-221-216.myvzw.com) |
| 04:09.17 | drmessano | I'm not one of those crusty old spark gap CW screwballs.. I love new technology.. I love some of the cool linux apps hams have developed and some of the digital new modes we've added in the last 8 or 10 years.. I just think DSTAR was a total fuckup for hams |
| 04:09.33 | drclue | dstar is more of a protocol then a frequency |
| 04:09.46 | drmessano | DSTAR is skype-radio |
| 04:11.07 | drclue | DSTAR was developed by hams , just marketed by companies. I suppose that some CODECS might be licensed , but there is really no reason one could not elect to use a common open CODEC |
| 04:11.48 | drclue | I just consider radio to be pipe |
| 04:12.17 | drclue | just like any other conduit over which a signal can be propagated |
| 04:12.46 | drmessano | DSTAR could use any codec.. true.. but all the hardware supports AMBE and only AMBE at this point |
| 04:12.53 | *** join/#asterisk GameGamer43 (n=GameGame@CPE-65-27-78-156.new.res.rr.com) |
| 04:13.01 | WindowsUser | nice nick |
| 04:13.03 | drmessano | Theres no movement to change that.. |
| 04:13.50 | drclue | So what, it would not take much hacker to skip the hardware DSTAR and DSTAR open CODEC |
| 04:13.55 | coppice | AMBE sucks. Its what got iDEN a bad name |
| 04:14.57 | WindowsUser | hehe |
| 04:15.19 | WindowsUser | i have a silly idea, adhoc wireless, and transmit rtp to a broadcast address |
| 04:15.35 | WindowsUser | and then call it dstar2 |
| 04:15.40 | drclue | Sounds like a WiFi Phone :) |
| 04:16.06 | WindowsUser | can iPhones connect to adhoc networks? |
| 04:16.10 | drmessano | As long as ICOM, JVC, Vertex, and Alinco are paying for the codec use, hams don't need to care. |
| 04:17.15 | drclue | I think an iPhone can indeed do so |
| 04:17.28 | phix | Is MGCP any good? does asterisk support it or is it propertiary shit? |
| 04:17.44 | drmessano | WindowsUser: DSTAR as it exists could easily be made to use Speex if the radios supported a different codec.. DSTAR would be "SIP" or "IAX" in the Asterisk world, we're just all stuck paying for G269u |
| 04:17.51 | drclue | I would not own one of them myself (anti social linux open source fredom ) kind of fellow I am |
| 04:19.25 | drclue | Yes , Asterisk can do things with MGCP |
| 04:19.51 | drmessano | Part of me thinks.. hang on |
| 04:19.58 | drmessano | puts on tin foil hat |
| 04:20.26 | [TK]D-Fender | looks around wondering what to watch now... |
| 04:20.48 | phix | [TK]D-Fender: would you buy one of these? --> http://cgi.ebay.com.au/POLYCOM-PHONE-SOUNDPOINT-IP-301-SIP-POE-Cable-Included_W0QQitemZ300331445878QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Business_Industrial_Office_Equipment?hash=item45ed262e76&_trksid=p3286.m20.l1116 |
| 04:21.06 | drmessano | They chose AMBE for DSTAR so they could reuse the same tech they were implementing on the IMBE P25 radios.. sans a chip or two |
| 04:21.08 | phix | drclue: and MGCP is good or not? |
| 04:21.18 | drclue | phix: Maybe this will help http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+MGCP+channels |
| 04:21.31 | phix | drclue: can it do shit for me? :) |
| 04:21.55 | coppice | I think you need to do shit for yourself |
| 04:22.42 | drclue | I've not worked with MGCP , but you asked the question and part of how I tick was able to answer it as fast as you asked. If you want some detailed evaluation , I could do so (thats how I make a living) |
| 04:23.35 | [TK]D-Fender | phix: not at that price |
| 04:24.15 | *** join/#asterisk xpot-mobile (n=james@70-91-210-233-BusName-Utah.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) |
| 04:25.10 | [TK]D-Fender | phix: Avoid MGCP if you know whats good for you... |
| 04:25.30 | drclue | I still think a 1200 room hotel could at most times be served by perhaps three cheap PC's |
| 04:25.33 | phix | [TK]D-Fender: I make an offer at $95.00 AUD + throw in a power adapter as well :) lets see what happens |
| 04:25.48 | phix | [TK]D-Fender: ok, will do sir, it supports SIP too |
| 04:26.01 | [TK]D-Fender | phix: I'm not sure what your import premium is there, but that looks real high |
| 04:26.35 | [TK]D-Fender | phix: Linksys is far better priced in AU |
| 04:26.45 | phix | but linksys is shit :) |
| 04:26.53 | phix | well the ATAs are anyway |
| 04:26.53 | drclue | Just send the product as a tin of your sisters cooking and they will pay you the premium :) |
| 04:27.04 | drclue | ATA's are bullshit |
| 04:27.05 | WindowsUser | odd when i do a SFA call to voicemail i get 4 seconds of silence |
| 04:27.24 | drmessano | Linksys ATA's are far better than the rest |
| 04:27.39 | drmessano | Grandstream fan? |
| 04:28.00 | drclue | organic turds are better than non-organic turds , but still turds |
| 04:29.04 | coppice | Linksys ATAs are crap, yet still pretty much the best around. Sad, isn't it? |
| 04:29.12 | drmessano | ATAs are no idea, but they work.. they do what they're supposed to.. Simulate a phone line with some basic calling features |
| 04:29.19 | drmessano | not ideal |
| 04:29.19 | drclue | Today most quality hotels have internet in the room , so why fuck around with an ATA |
| 04:29.25 | drmessano | no idea? Freudian slip |
| 04:29.47 | *** join/#asterisk s14ck (n=s14ck@ccscliente156.ifxnetworks.net.ve) |
| 04:30.10 | coppice | most hotels still charge a lot to use their internet connections |
| 04:30.36 | drclue | Most hotels screw you for POTS , or anything else , so not the point |
| 04:31.37 | coppice | oh, you're in the US. hotels there really screw you for anything, except the room rate. those are pretty reasonable by international standards |
| 04:32.12 | drclue | Why buy an ATA for the room that has connectivity when ya can just get an off the shelf IP phone |
| 04:32.57 | *** join/#asterisk decimalz (n=pabx1800@203.171.196.173) |
| 04:33.22 | decimalz | hey i'm an asterisk newbie |
| 04:33.24 | coppice | the usually use expensive business phones, so the phone is useless at home. its a theft reduction measure |
| 04:33.41 | decimalz | can run ut from ubuntu |
| 04:33.51 | decimalz | can i run it from ubuntu |
| 04:33.54 | *** join/#asterisk lolo2 (n=lolo@c-69-180-160-4.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) |
| 04:34.12 | phix | decimalz: awesome |
| 04:34.31 | drclue | You can run anything pretty much on ubuntu that you can run on Debian or whatever distro |
| 04:34.32 | phix | decimalz: if you want to |
| 04:34.36 | lolo2 | anyone willing to talk a look at my issue: http://forums.digium.com/viewtopic.php?t=70335 |
| 04:34.38 | phix | decimalz: do you want to? |
| 04:34.57 | lolo2 | take* |
| 04:35.36 | drclue | lolo , at first drunken glance it looks like maybe NAT , or firewall |
| 04:36.00 | lolo2 | o yeah? |
| 04:36.48 | drclue | I did say first DRUNKEN GLANCE . But it sounds like a first come first serve issue , which is often NAT or firewall related |
| 04:37.08 | drclue | Not everyone can be on 5065 |
| 04:37.43 | lolo2 | so open a bigger range? |
| 04:38.01 | drclue | Not exactly , but sorta , it is more than that |
| 04:38.35 | lolo2 | where should i look? |
| 04:39.33 | drclue | Part of it is range , part is port forwarding , part is firewall rules , it took me almost three weeks to sort that crap out , so I'm not sure I can explain it all to you beween the 10th and 12th beers |
| 04:39.48 | lolo2 | lol :P |
| 04:40.00 | *** join/#asterisk uqlev (n=yuriy@91.184.221.31) |
| 04:40.24 | drclue | What does sip show peers say? |
| 04:40.54 | lolo2 | Name/username Host Dyn Nat ACL Port Status |
| 04:40.54 | lolo2 | 0 sip peers [Monitored: 0 online, 0 offline Unmonitored: 0 online, 0 offline] |
| 04:41.12 | uqlev | it says who of sip-clients connected to your server |
| 04:41.13 | drclue | That sucks , nobody home at all |
| 04:41.24 | *** join/#asterisk joat (n=joat@ip70-174-79-200.hr.hr.cox.net) |
| 04:41.38 | lolo2 | show registered comes up with stuff |
| 04:41.52 | drclue | Cool , lets see that |
| 04:42.22 | phix | drclue: you drinking? or is that a saying? |
| 04:44.15 | decimalz | phix - do i want to what? |
| 04:44.33 | lolo2 | sip show registry |
| 04:44.35 | drclue | Well , I live in a converted 1967 school bus , have a long pony tail out the left side of my head , a big peace sign hanging from my neck and did not have to pay for my first phone call of thousands at that point until I was in my twenties , so your guess is as good as my admissions |
| 04:45.00 | lolo2 | proxy01.sipphone.com:5060 174747..... 105 Registered Sat, 01 Aug 2009 23:44:33 |
| 04:46.05 | drclue | Sorta looks like a trunk or something |
| 04:46.27 | WindowsUser | lol |
| 04:46.32 | drclue | What does your router forwarding look like? |
| 04:46.34 | WindowsUser | I've lost track of whos asking for help |
| 04:46.47 | lolo2 | would it be a port/firewall issure when the log shows that is it connects and playing to the 2nd phone? |
| 04:47.07 | drclue | First come , first serve sounds like NAT |
| 04:47.56 | drclue | NAT= Network Address Translation Time for beer 13 |
| 04:48.03 | lolo2 | 5060 and 10000-20000 open |
| 04:48.40 | lolo2 | windowsuser im asking for help |
| 04:49.19 | drclue | emm , just a sec , I'll pull up the hole list , but I think it is in your server tables |
| 04:51.14 | drclue | Depending on your sillies , these ought to be good router friends , but you'll need more |
| 04:51.14 | drclue | UDP 10000-20000 - RTP |
| 04:51.14 | drclue | UDP 5004-5082 - SIP |
| 04:51.14 | drclue | UDP 4569 - IAX2 |
| 04:51.14 | drclue | UDP 2727 - Media Gateway |
| 04:51.43 | drclue | Your going to need to mess with your iptables |
| 04:51.47 | WindowsUser | ? |
| 04:52.00 | WindowsUser | i just have 5060 and 10000-20000 forwarded to my asterisk box |
| 04:53.24 | drclue | Well , that is supposed to work , but when it don't , then we move on to more fun and games that I had to learn the hard way, but now I can have a bunch of crap on my router happy with my asterisk |
| 04:53.34 | lolo2 | i sould also note that its only first come first serve with 2 cell and/or land lines if it is one sip softphone and one cell its works just fine |
| 04:53.55 | drclue | Channels maybe |
| 04:54.15 | WindowsUser | oh its a DID problem? |
| 04:54.31 | drclue | I'm an expert programmer of 30+ years , BUT I'm just sorting out all this asterisk crap |
| 04:54.53 | drclue | Windowsuser: could be |
| 04:55.28 | lolo2 | it just confuses me that the log knows of both callers but the 2nd caller just rings |
| 04:56.33 | drclue | That's what I love about Asterisk, it's got so many variables that ya really need to be able to think free form, whereas a lot of my work is so fixed in nature that some dude in India will do it for $10/hour. |
| 04:56.55 | WindowsUser | whats 198.x.x.x? |
| 04:57.09 | lolo2 | the ip of gizmo |
| 04:57.14 | drclue | 198 is your side of a router |
| 04:57.16 | WindowsUser | why did you censor it then? |
| 04:57.24 | lolo2 | idk :P |
| 04:57.26 | lolo2 | u want it? |
| 04:57.51 | WindowsUser | well its just a tad confusing |
| 04:57.56 | drclue | lolo2 , don't worry about protecting your 198.whatever |
| 04:58.00 | WindowsUser | i expect people to only x out thier own stuff |
| 04:58.04 | lolo2 | i cencored my ip address 2 and u can get that in 2 sec with irc |
| 04:58.31 | drclue | Don't type your public IP please as folks will abuse that |
| 04:59.33 | drclue | Smoke break , but I'll be back with beer 14 and we can sort it out. Make me an extension on your box and we can hunt and peck together |
| 05:00.05 | lolo2 | ok thanks |
| 05:01.06 | lolo2 | i opened 5004-5082 and it did not make a difrence. I also closed all 5xxx ports and it did not make a difference either :P |
| 05:04.45 | drclue | lolo2: Ya gotta be a fan of Rubiks cube to play this game |
| 05:04.51 | lolo2 | lol |
| 05:04.58 | WindowsUser | Wait 5? |
| 05:05.07 | ethicx | night u all. |
| 05:05.31 | *** part/#asterisk ethicx (n=Administ@adsl-146-66-194.mia.bellsouth.net) |
| 05:05.52 | lolo2 | wait 5 what? |
| 05:07.28 | drclue | I have ATA's , softphones, WIFI phones , various DID's and soon some Digium cards to play with and thus far it has been just Rubik and patience and it all works |
| 05:07.43 | lolo2 | nice |
| 05:09.16 | lolo2 | what do u mean by "Make me an extension" i dont have super admin on this box just admin |
| 05:09.46 | WindowsUser | im slowly reading that paste |
| 05:10.57 | lolo2 | thanks |
| 05:11.19 | drclue | I'm not an Asterisk expert , just a programmer with 30 years or so of experience who has been tasked with creating a real time control system since none of the off the shelf PBX stuff that generates .conf files will meet my clients needs. Well as to an extension , perhaps we can forgo that if ya have an IP based sip address I can dial |
| 05:12.18 | lolo2 | i have my gizmo number? it is a "sip" number as they say? |
| 05:12.51 | drclue | If ya do , PM that to me , as folks log these conversations to rip you off |
| 05:15.17 | WindowsUser | huh that log is odd |
| 05:15.35 | lolo2 | want it without sip debug? |
| 05:15.39 | decimalz | drclue - are you after sip numbers? |
| 05:15.56 | WindowsUser | lolo2: sure |
| 05:17.20 | drclue | I know I have had good luck with extension@serverip so I figured that would perhaps work in this instance too |
| 05:18.51 | drmessano | ~SIPNAT |
| 05:18.52 | infobot | [~sipnat] Quick guide on configuring * + SIP behind NAT : http://www.aocomputing.net/?p=3 , otherwise check the WIKI at http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+SIP+NAT+solutions |
| 05:19.01 | drmessano | READ |
| 05:19.22 | drmessano | 5004-5082 is FAIL considering you only need ONE of those open |
| 05:19.31 | drmessano | and it doesnt address RTP |
| 05:19.36 | drclue | I already have configured my system for SIP NAT so I'm sorta thinking it is the same issue |
| 05:20.11 | drmessano | Its very likely |
| 05:21.27 | drmessano | 99.8% of asterisk audio problems and call completion issues are SIP+NAT related the other .2% is because the user is a freakin idiot and can't distinguish asterisk from MSN messenger |
| 05:21.42 | drclue | I know |
| 05:21.44 | lolo2 | windowsuser: http://pastebin.com/d12e32955 |
| 05:22.14 | drmessano | hint: Asterisk has no emoticons |
| 05:22.30 | JerJer | moo |
| 05:22.58 | drmessano | Oh no |
| 05:24.05 | WindowsUser | odd why are they exiting non zero? |
| 05:24.27 | lolo2 | idk |
| 05:25.06 | JerJer | that's not an error |
| 05:26.06 | drclue | Earth is but a life sentence for a crime that we don't recall. We are but all a grand appreciation of error |
| 05:30.57 | WindowsUser | lolo2: so when you're having this trouble its when you call from pstn -> gizmo5 -> asterisk? |
| 05:31.22 | *** join/#asterisk |Cybex| (n=John@80.100.126.176) |
| 05:31.23 | lolo2 | yes |
| 05:31.47 | lolo2 | the first caller with that setup with that is good the 2nd is not |
| 05:32.32 | lolo2 | i get the free did from google goes to gizmo5 goes to asterisk |
| 05:40.10 | drmessano | What fixes it? |
| 05:43.03 | *** join/#asterisk many (n=many@dslb-094-217-207-232.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 05:55.30 | *** join/#asterisk lesouvage (n=lesouvag@82.73.69.76) |
| 06:08.50 | *** join/#asterisk kyoshi (i=60f699fa@gateway/web/freenode/session) |
| 06:10.55 | *** part/#asterisk kyoshi (i=60f699fa@gateway/web/freenode/session) |
| 06:18.33 | *** join/#asterisk kyoshi (i=60f699fa@gateway/web/freenode/session) |
| 06:21.03 | *** join/#asterisk QaDeS (n=mklaus@p4FC70AF4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 06:23.32 | drclue | Yiff , that was not too hard to figure out |
| 06:25.07 | drclue | Sounds like the whole issue was simply NAT, but it is interesting that Google and/or Gizmo is offering more than one channel on a free DID |
| 06:28.57 | drclue | Sounds like free DIDs will not last long without some significant restrictions as it seems like folks are already figuring out how to run call centers with them |
| 06:31.29 | drclue | I'm glad what falls out the back of a tel-co truck still works a little. |
| 06:32.56 | drmessano | I think google is making some dough with settlements |
| 06:33.05 | drmessano | It seems to work for IPKALL |
| 06:39.28 | *** join/#asterisk tzafrir_laptop (n=tzafrir@local.xorcom.com) |
| 06:41.33 | drclue | I think it will be a technological bait and switch |
| 06:43.59 | drclue | Everyone is offering free DID's and letting the extra channels slide for a time until the hook is set , since it is supposed to be a consumer service and then the channels will b dialed back save for those that will pay. That price will be cheaper than the alternatives but certainly higher than free, so quietly a profit stream will be harvesed |
| 06:44.27 | *** join/#asterisk EiNSTeiN_ (n=einstein@unaffiliated/einstein/x-615171) |
| 06:48.16 | drmessano | At some point something will be put in place.. Voice will be a part of Apps and they'll have to reserve some value-added features for the paying Enterprise customers.. They'll also want a price point that they can use to leverage the Voice premium service as yet another incentive to upgrade |
| 06:52.25 | drmessano | I suspect the Apps version of voice will include setting up users as extensions, DID routing, and hopefully the integration with Google Talk |
| 06:55.47 | drmessano | My god, these blue corn chips with this Paul Newman medium salsa are a complete pwn |
| 06:56.33 | drclue | I think the easiest demonetization while keeping the faith with the free customers will simply be channels associated with DIDs |
| 06:57.28 | drclue | Currently these various free DIDs seem to be providing 5-10 channels |
| 06:57.58 | phix | can some one DCC me some food? |
| 06:58.20 | drmessano | One channel, one DID per gmail user.. Apps standard will probably offer some finite number of DIDs or channels, like 5 per the base 50 user account |
| 06:58.36 | drclue | If they yank it back to one channel , that is no pain for the true residential user , but the commercial exploiter will most certainly be ready to pay |
| 06:58.37 | drmessano | Then the sky is the limit for premium and enterprise |
| 06:59.28 | drclue | For a commercial enterprise it is channels per DID that matters |
| 06:59.50 | drmessano | Depends |
| 07:00.52 | drmessano | Some places still hold on to the model of no-employee-left-behind and want 50 DIDs on 10 channels, just so everyone feels special |
| 07:01.00 | *** join/#asterisk mbrevda (n=mbrevda@unaffiliated/mbrevda) |
| 07:01.07 | drclue | Well , unless your truly a small business with but that one phone and not Capital One fanning a single number out to hundreds of agents channels IS what it is all about |
| 07:02.35 | drclue | It's typically channels per DID not DID's per channel |
| 07:02.44 | drmessano | I understand how all this works |
| 07:02.59 | drclue | Just saying |
| 07:04.07 | drclue | I did pay for a phone call when I was 25 and another around when I was 38 |
| 07:04.46 | drclue | I have begged for forgiveness for those 1 or 2 sins |
| 07:07.32 | phryk | Didn't asterisk come to existance in 1998? |
| 07:08.15 | drclue | Not totally sure when Asterisk came to be , but there has always been free phone |
| 07:08.37 | phryk | How did you do it before? phreaking?^^ |
| 07:09.07 | drclue | Captain Crunch provided some nice tools |
| 07:09.23 | phryk | Ah the flute |
| 07:09.32 | drmessano | Are you John Draper's little cousin? |
| 07:09.34 | drclue | The numbers A-F have been around since touch tones |
| 07:09.45 | phryk | Man, I would have loved to do that^^ |
| 07:10.33 | phryk | I would have sat with a turban and captain crunch flute in front of a telephone the whole day :D |
| 07:10.51 | drmessano | O.o |
| 07:10.53 | drclue | Nothing has changed really. |
| 07:11.16 | drclue | Different times , different whistles |
| 07:11.38 | drclue | Makes me want to milsat a phone call |
| 07:12.06 | phryk | But you can't use the crunch-flute anymore, can you? |
| 07:12.26 | drmessano | wonders when it became a flute |
| 07:12.32 | phryk | wasn't it a flute? |
| 07:12.42 | phryk | I can be wrong^^ |
| 07:13.26 | drclue | Nobody pays for Telephone or Cable TV or Internet unless they really are in a bad way in which case they still don't pay for it, and no alass the Captain crunch whistle of my youth along with the other inbands have fallen away |
| 07:14.27 | *** join/#asterisk b14ck (n=quassel@cpe-24-24-136-239.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 07:14.38 | drclue | A diaper pin still works on most pay phones if your in a pinch |
| 07:14.41 | b14ck | hey guys--can someone tell me what is included in the asterisk addons package? |
| 07:14.58 | b14ck | i see on voip-info that it includes msql logging, and mp3 support for moh, but is that all? |
| 07:15.09 | phryk | drclue: how does that work? o_O |
| 07:15.29 | drmessano | openh323, and chan_mobile as of late, as well |
| 07:15.31 | drclue | There is tons of sh*t for asterisk and the various PBX add-ons |
| 07:16.06 | drmessano | He's referring to "asterisk-addons" |
| 07:16.43 | drclue | Diaper pins are inserted in the rubber boot at the end of the armored cable to tap the mic like the war games movie did with an old school beer pull tab |
| 07:17.30 | phryk | and how does one dial? |
| 07:17.39 | drmessano | With their finger |
| 07:17.45 | phryk | ^^ |
| 07:17.48 | drclue | With the touch pad , the diaper pin is just for coin |
| 07:17.56 | phryk | ah |
| 07:18.11 | phryk | Does that work in all countries?^^ |
| 07:19.18 | drclue | *ALL* countries can sport a free phone call, and most save the UK give it up easier |
| 07:20.00 | drclue | UK gives free phone too |
| 07:20.33 | drclue | free phone , free internet , free satellite TV , free whatever in a wire |
| 07:21.16 | drclue | I do have a phone here that uses rotatory dial |
| 07:21.42 | box2 | in soviet russia, pay phones fork you |
| 07:21.49 | drclue | This phone is older than all of us |
| 07:21.57 | b14ck | hey guys--im trying to install asterisk 1.6.1.1 on a fresh box here. i've install asterisk, dahdi-linux, and im trying to install dahdi-tools. ./configure finishes fine, but make fails with this: http://pastebin.com/m1fd3f36b any ideas? |
| 07:22.07 | coppice | I saw a rotary dial phone today for the first time in ages. a real candidate for the Smithsonian |
| 07:22.13 | drclue | box2, but do the russian phones kiss ya first? |
| 07:22.25 | box2 | drclue: heh |
| 07:22.36 | box2 | i doubt they would be that considerate |
| 07:24.14 | drclue | The phone is from BELL SYSTEM |
| 07:24.37 | drclue | of Western Electric Company |
| 07:26.12 | drclue | b14ck get PIAF, you'll be happier |
| 07:26.27 | b14ck | no |
| 07:26.40 | drclue | OK don't do that |
| 07:27.16 | b14ck | anyways, looks like it's a gentoo-specific kernel bug |
| 07:27.20 | b14ck | found the fix D: |
| 07:27.53 | drclue | Dam so ya busted a line in here for something ya solved that quick. You'll be back |
| 07:28.08 | b14ck | drclue: are you new here? |
| 07:28.46 | phryk | drclue: My grandparents have such a phone^^ |
| 07:29.14 | drclue | Here , I guess. I have been online since 150 baud , but here is sorta a new happy meal |
| 07:29.34 | b14ck | that's kinda what i figured :) |
| 07:30.53 | drclue | I sorta like the piaf distro. Not because anything in it is really great , but because it is easy to put a wrench to |
| 07:31.12 | b14ck | drclue: i've tried/used pretty much all the asterisk-based distros |
| 07:32.51 | b14ck | and i'm not setting up asterisk on this box for a standard pbx, so i dont need those distros. im trying to re-write some modules and test a stripped down asterisk install for benchmarking |
| 07:33.26 | drclue | I think it's PBX like most sucks bottom water , but it does give me a nice LAMP and recent asterisk which is a good thing. I code down to assembly and code c/c++ etc , but why shoot house flies with atom bombs. I'll own asterisk in a couple of months |
| 07:33.49 | b14ck | you do asm? |
| 07:33.51 | b14ck | what form? |
| 07:33.59 | b14ck | i do some ia32 at&t unix :) |
| 07:34.05 | drclue | Ever heard of "altair" |
| 07:34.06 | b14ck | with gas/ld |
| 07:34.12 | b14ck | yar, but never used it |
| 07:34.29 | drclue | It was before screens and keyboards |
| 07:34.46 | *** join/#asterisk SkywaIker (n=pirch@58.147.17.166) |
| 07:35.31 | drclue | I do not do such things much any more as there is no reason, but if I had to I could rise to the occasion |
| 07:35.34 | *** join/#asterisk ramindia (n=balajibh@202.63.96.10) |
| 07:35.52 | b14ck | so do you do any coding now? |
| 07:37.02 | drclue | I have built my own expansion cards , written PPP stacks from scratch etc , but these are just things along the way. I do indeed code daemons , drivers , whatever pays |
| 07:37.22 | *** join/#asterisk Dovid (n=annon@tony09-118-62.inter.net.il) |
| 07:37.55 | b14ck | that wasn't exactly an answer |
| 07:37.59 | drmessano | I wrote Windows.. I got a week in writing OS XI when Steve Jobs got sick and scrapped it |
| 07:38.01 | drclue | Right now I'm making an external real time interface to asterisk that does not regenerate .conf files |
| 07:38.49 | coppice | working with daemons is OK, except for that signing contracts in blood part |
| 07:39.11 | drclue | In windows 3.1 I wrote my own browser and in the course of doing so cured the 3.1 memory leak in a fashion that running my code once in a session cured all memory leaks for all 3.1 applications |
| 07:40.14 | drclue | I don't require you to sign in blood , just bring a box of beer or some good buds |
| 07:40.39 | box2 | i require blood signatures |
| 07:41.03 | drmessano | I collect stool samples.. It's really none of your business |
| 07:41.07 | drmessano | oh, wrong room |
| 07:41.37 | drclue | Gives drmessano a coupon to seats are us |
| 07:42.12 | drmessano | Coupons are for soccer moms.. Just pop out a nice 4 coiler and bag it for me :) |
| 07:42.23 | coppice | drmessano: do your stools have three legs or four? |
| 07:42.34 | drclue | box2 , I only sign things with AES4096 |
| 07:42.54 | box2 | drclue: i'm a rot13 man myself |
| 07:43.00 | box2 | DEFEATS ALL TERRORISM |
| 07:43.04 | drclue | Stools are us offers adjustable twist lock legs |
| 07:44.01 | phryk | asm itself is very very simple |
| 07:44.06 | phryk | oh |
| 07:44.12 | phryk | that was a few hundred lines ago xD |
| 07:44.29 | drclue | box2 , if it defeats all terrorism , then why is there still the Republican Party |
| 07:44.46 | drmessano | I remember getting on usenet 3 or 4 years ago after my one experience with it many years ago.. had never heard of rot13.. Actually was decoding rot13 messages with the client I had.. in awe. |
| 07:44.58 | drclue | mov ax I don't care no more |
| 07:45.33 | box2 | drclue: GOP ARE THE ANTI-TERRORISTS |
| 07:45.54 | drmessano | Sarah Palin is gonna save us all, doncha know |
| 07:46.31 | drmessano | Sarah Palin.. Parah Salin.. I KNOW HOW THEYRE GONNA STRIKE NEXT.. CLOSE THE BORDERS |
| 07:46.36 | box2 | she will feed the hungry by hunting carribu from a helicopter |
| 07:46.36 | drclue | ÇuÉ× ÇɯÉ× ÇÉ¥Ê uı uÊop Çpısdn ÆuıÆuÉÉ¥ Êsnɾ |
| 07:46.47 | box2 | UPSIDEDOWN!@#*!@# |
| 07:47.18 | drclue | A leas my upside down I wrote myself |
| 07:47.44 | box2 | how does this happen? |
| 07:47.58 | box2 | i must needs know it |
| 07:48.00 | drmessano | See, first there was this bird |
| 07:48.06 | drmessano | and then a bee came along |
| 07:48.12 | drclue | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:48.38 | drclue | ju57 1!}3 my 1337 5#!7 |
| 07:48.44 | phryk | Mhhh.... Chocolate.... |
| 07:48.46 | *** join/#asterisk af_ (n=getsmart@88-149-241-30.dynamic.ngi.it) |
| 07:49.13 | box2 | drclue: YOU ARE FREAKING ME OUT, MAN |
| 07:49.28 | phryk | I think that was his goal... |
| 07:49.31 | drmessano | 2600 FTW4EVA FREE KEVIN |
| 07:50.03 | drmessano | I R H4X0R |
| 07:50.10 | drclue | Nah , and anyways 2600 is old dead bones , worse than oxdeadbeef |
| 07:50.25 | drmessano | 2600 is amusing |
| 07:50.49 | box2 | #telephreak is decent |
| 07:51.00 | box2 | on 2600net |
| 07:51.01 | drclue | #yawn |
| 07:51.15 | box2 | you are both in there |
| 07:51.16 | drmessano | "101 things you didnt know about the greeting card kiosk at the hallmark store" <---- Thats 102 more than I cared about |
| 07:51.16 | box2 | i know it |
| 07:51.39 | coppice | 2600 is so parochial. What about the 2280 parts of the world? |
| 07:51.49 | drclue | Try the NSA version of the ATT NOC, a nice place to visit |
| 07:52.37 | drclue | Playing with it makes asterisk look like a wind up toy |
| 07:52.49 | drmessano | I should write a lame ass article about how to exploit the emergency alert system.. Weak as hell, and would probably get me a t-shirt |
| 07:53.56 | drclue | Next time I run out of TP I'll send ya the T-shirt |
| 07:54.07 | drclue | :) |
| 07:54.12 | box2 | you only get a tshirt for sucking goldstein or having "relaxing massage" with chesire cat |
| 07:54.23 | drmessano | lol |
| 07:54.48 | phryk | Weird 1337expl0it0rz cred battle in here... |
| 07:55.04 | drmessano | Um no |
| 07:55.04 | phryk | needs something to eat |
| 07:55.25 | drclue | United States Trust of New York or Household International make an intersting weekend hike |
| 07:55.38 | box2 | at least people arn't throwing around the zf05.txt url around here |
| 07:57.22 | drclue | Yawn |
| 07:57.23 | drmessano | I find that 99% of the supposed "hacker" community is a bunch of 14 yr old loner, loser metalheads with Dad's old computer and the most obscure *nix distro they could google for from Mom's Vista PC with the DVD-Burner on it |
| 07:57.28 | *** join/#asterisk war9407 (i=war@liquidswords.org) |
| 07:57.56 | box2 | spying on me! |
| 07:58.03 | box2 | google earth hax! |
| 07:58.07 | box2 | WTF |
| 07:58.39 | drclue | "Kevin Mitnick" as a white hat , at least that rates a chuckle |
| 07:58.49 | drmessano | Carving a penguin into your leg with the sharp end of a pez dispenser and using Tor to ban evade in teenchat IRC channels is NOT HACKING |
| 07:59.40 | drclue | There are reallyfolks out here that are NO hats |
| 08:00.20 | drclue | knowledge is not good or bad , only what you do with it |
| 08:00.31 | drclue | Smoke Break |
| 08:00.52 | drmessano | Kevin Mitnick never did impress me.. read his books, was even less impressed.. Smart guy that did some dumpster diving and some social engineering back when people thought you were an FBI agent for carrying a portable 4 channel police scanner.. YAWN |
| 08:00.53 | drclue | emmmm port scanners , tastes really good |
| 08:01.59 | GameGamer43 | The books Mitnick put out was mostly common sense |
| 08:02.07 | box2 | i like reading 2600 and putting it back without paying at Borders |
| 08:02.13 | box2 | i wonder if that makes me a hacker |
| 08:02.18 | GameGamer43 | but I guess if that's what makes him earn a living |
| 08:02.28 | drmessano | box2: It does |
| 08:02.50 | box2 | FUCKYEA |
| 08:03.13 | drmessano | 1987 - Call random number, tell them you're from the pet store and need their credit card number and SSN, and they give it to you.. 2007 - Call random number, tell them you're from the pet store and need their credit card number and SSN.. They think twice and they give it to you anyway |
| 08:03.22 | drmessano | WE'VE LEARNT NUTHIN |
| 08:03.56 | box2 | lol |
| 08:04.15 | phryk | heh |
| 08:05.23 | drmessano | I think it's funny that a lawyers office would NEVER THINK of taking a file cabinet full of confidential documents down to a file cabinet repair shop, but they'll easily take a PC down to Joe's computer shack any day of the week for a free virus scan |
| 08:06.16 | Dovid | lol |
| 08:06.27 | phryk | Files as some impersonal spot on "some kinda pieca o' metal" is too abstract for most people |
| 08:06.41 | Dovid | there was a report by msnbc a lil while bacl |
| 08:06.49 | Dovid | where people resycle computers |
| 08:06.55 | Dovid | and they dont know where its going |
| 08:07.34 | drmessano | Yep |
| 08:07.48 | Dovid | it goes to third world countries, where people by the hdd's for real cheap. the reports bought one which belonged to a defense conractor for the US gov. they got detailed info on who they hire for the TSA and why |
| 08:08.24 | phryk | Third world scammers will kill us all o_O |
| 08:09.29 | phryk | Dey hav' nucluar bombs! NUCULAR!! |
| 08:10.07 | drclue | Social engineering is what they called it , and we did it in the 60's and still do it today |
| 08:11.11 | coppice | I thought social engineering was a bunch of developers in a pub |
| 08:11.15 | phryk | Who came up with that "social engineering" term anyway? |
| 08:11.20 | *** join/#asterisk war9407 (i=war@liquidswords.org) |
| 08:11.39 | coppice | A social engineer, I expect |
| 08:11.41 | drmessano | This is my biggest issue with security.. people are so worried about big bad hackers, but they're so fucking stupid about basic security practices that any 12 yr old could take advantage of them |
| 08:11.44 | GameGamer43 | the same people who came up with social networks |
| 08:12.00 | GameGamer43 | that person must be very socialable |
| 08:12.29 | phryk | More likely unsociable because he needed all those spiffy extras to be able to socialize to at least SOME degree... |
| 08:12.57 | phryk | Great Success! |
| 08:13.09 | drclue | Another fun place is the mathematical site of the navy where all the google interactions are filtered |
| 08:13.43 | phryk | mhh |
| 08:13.51 | phryk | drclue: do you listen to "weird" electronic music? |
| 08:14.21 | drclue | Nope , I watch traffic as it is more interesting |
| 08:14.52 | phryk | heh |
| 08:14.59 | phryk | You can do both at once^^ |
| 08:15.01 | drmessano | I almost hacked the Gibson once, but I found the Oswald was a much better target |
| 08:15.19 | drclue | Sink that tanker |
| 08:15.37 | drclue | But send me the millions |
| 08:15.39 | phryk | I kinda like it here :) |
| 08:16.59 | drclue | Fish at the edges , don't be greedy , take your time and it is all yours |
| 08:17.22 | *** join/#asterisk errotan (n=errotan@62.201.122.9) |
| 08:17.42 | drmessano | Hackers reminds me of any other movie that tried to glue as many catch phrases together as possible until they had a complete script |
| 08:18.04 | b14ck | hackers is an awesome movie |
| 08:18.08 | phryk | yeah |
| 08:18.09 | drmessano | .... |
| 08:18.12 | b14ck | end of story |
| 08:18.13 | phryk | totally unrealistic but awesome :D |
| 08:18.20 | drclue | I still like when the CIA had it's web page hacked |
| 08:18.52 | b14ck | hah ya, when they made that guy a death certificate =p |
| 08:18.57 | phryk | any of you guys at the chaos communication congress this year? |
| 08:18.59 | b14ck | and when he made the sprinklers go off in school |
| 08:19.03 | b14ck | and angy fell in <3 with him |
| 08:19.05 | phryk | I'd like to meet some of you :) |
| 08:19.07 | drclue | I still like better the old school RYBBS that connects into them |
| 08:19.18 | b14ck | what is chaos communication congress? oo |
| 08:19.24 | phryk | o_O |
| 08:19.36 | phryk | b14ck: You ever heard of "Chaos Computer Club" |
| 08:19.41 | b14ck | yes |
| 08:19.47 | phryk | Their main event ;) |
| 08:19.47 | drmessano | I'd much rather watch Noah Wylie playing that crazyfuck Steve Jobs in Pirates of Silicon valley |
| 08:20.05 | b14ck | phryk: where is it help? |
| 08:20.06 | phryk | Kind of like an european defcon or something like that^^ |
| 08:20.12 | drmessano | "Make it look like a sunflower" |
| 08:20.15 | phryk | b14ck: iirc berlin |
| 08:20.17 | b14ck | oh :( |
| 08:20.20 | phryk | 28. dec it should be |
| 08:20.21 | drclue | Pretty much if you have herd of it , it's an old address |
| 08:20.29 | b14ck | berlin is too expensive for me to travel to :( |
| 08:20.43 | phryk | b14ck: Where are you from? |
| 08:20.51 | b14ck | los angeles, california, usa |
| 08:21.00 | phryk | Well, thats a bit far away |
| 08:21.25 | phryk | But if I have the money I'll maybe be in florida next year for a few weeks |
| 08:22.13 | drclue | uoıÊÉÇuuoÉ sdɯSP |
| 08:22.13 | drclue | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:22.22 | b14ck | Next year is my big year. I'm going to have a lot of $$, so will hopefully be going to some things :) |
| 08:22.38 | phryk | b14ck: Now i have (had^^) more money than ever before |
| 08:22.41 | b14ck | The big ones on my list are defcon, and cluecon. |
| 08:22.47 | b14ck | hah, nice ^^ |
| 08:22.48 | phryk | i'm moving out tomorrow into my own small appartment :) |
| 08:22.53 | b14ck | cool :) |
| 08:22.58 | phryk | and yesterday i FINALLY ordered a pair of powerisers *_* |
| 08:23.02 | b14ck | lol |
| 08:23.20 | phryk | Wanted those for a few years |
| 08:23.37 | phryk | a friend of mine (one of only very few other geeks around here) already has his pair |
| 08:23.52 | phryk | So i hope they'll arrive monday or tuesday when i still have free :) |
| 08:24.32 | b14ck | cool :D |
| 08:24.40 | b14ck | I actually just got a new server here @ home the other day. |
| 08:24.49 | b14ck | I've recently started my own small side business, which is doing pretty well. |
| 08:24.56 | b14ck | But ran out of test machines, so bought a new one =p |
| 08:25.21 | phryk | my only server is a little intel atom machine that registers itself at dyndns, provides mpd and samba... |
| 08:25.27 | b14ck | heh |
| 08:25.48 | drclue | I run a plain old $150 Fry's special and it takes me everywhere anyone would want to go |
| 08:25.53 | phryk | I also want to code a little nice gui for it to use it as htpc |
| 08:25.57 | b14ck | oh that reminds me, i've written a callfiles library for asterisk if anyone is interested. it's a php library which makes creating callfiles easy |
| 08:26.19 | b14ck | phryk: have you heard of freenas? |
| 08:26.28 | b14ck | it's a cool os for fileservers |
| 08:26.42 | b14ck | it has web access, ftp, samba, etc already built in |
| 08:26.45 | b14ck | pretty nifty stuff |
| 08:26.49 | phryk | b14ck: but i don't want only a nas |
| 08:26.53 | drclue | I'm writing some code that eliminates any need to edit conf files directly or indirectly |
| 08:26.55 | phryk | main purpose is mpd |
| 08:26.56 | b14ck | ah |
| 08:27.22 | drclue | zero mods to asterisk C files |
| 08:28.51 | drclue | Anyone in my circle can do just about anything with as little as a PS2 or less |
| 08:29.21 | drclue | Most of us can do it with but an MFM hard drive |
| 08:29.56 | *** join/#asterisk TheOpenSourcerer (n=TheOpenS@81-178-65-1.dsl.pipex.com) |
| 08:30.05 | *** part/#asterisk TheOpenSourcerer (n=TheOpenS@81-178-65-1.dsl.pipex.com) |
| 08:33.45 | drclue | The sign of skill is not how big a machine you have but rather how worthless a machine you can achieve your goals with. Hacking a server with a cordless phone and a nine bolt battery is far more impressive than a T1 , quad core and other latest and greatest cruches |
| 08:35.09 | phryk | drclue: Yeah. |
| 08:35.25 | phryk | But having a bit of comfort is nice too |
| 08:35.46 | phryk | The atom is the most modern cpu that i own... |
| 08:36.02 | drmessano | phryk: Only brute force script kiddies worry about speed and power |
| 08:36.07 | drclue | Comfort is LAMEO. I can do what I do pretty much on a Timex-Sinclair |
| 08:36.26 | phryk | drmessano: Not if you manipulate graphics... |
| 08:36.50 | drclue | When was the last time you needed to hack graphics? |
| 08:36.58 | drmessano | How does manipulating graphics have anything to do with this convo.. |
| 08:37.14 | phryk | Let me tell you, applying an 200px motion blur with gimp on an 3200px graphic takes about 3 hours on my desktop machine... |
| 08:37.20 | drclue | Even at that I wrote a solid OCR program that ran on a C64 |
| 08:37.25 | drmessano | I could say the same about editing large volumes of multichannel audio, or real time HD video.. or or or |
| 08:37.30 | drmessano | I hate stupid people |
| 08:37.40 | phryk | Yes you could |
| 08:37.50 | phryk | But some people like to do that stuff^^ |
| 08:38.05 | drmessano | Do you understand what a context of a conversation is? |
| 08:38.14 | phryk | You said only bruteforce script kiddies worry about speed and power. |
| 08:38.26 | phryk | But graphic people do, too. |
| 08:38.38 | phryk | That was my point... |
| 08:38.40 | drmessano | Yawn |
| 08:39.08 | drclue | Ya , but some folks like to know what they are doing and those that know can use shitware to get it done while posers need monied iron |
| 08:39.33 | phryk | Heh |
| 08:40.35 | drclue | Graphics LOOK impressive , just as vectoring audio does (ignorance makes good money). |
| 08:41.07 | phryk | drclue: Yeah, after all graphics ARE for the look ;P |
| 08:42.09 | drmessano | Theres a big difference between someone creating a graphic piece, regardless if it's web or print, and someone using a $3000 application on a $3000 workstation to do it for them |
| 08:42.10 | drclue | Most of what supposed hackers do is LAMEO , all flash and no go. |
| 08:43.42 | phryk | drmessano: Yeah, for 98% of graphics my machine is more than enough... |
| 08:43.42 | phryk | It's more about how you accomplish to reach the visual impressions you want to have. |
| 08:43.45 | phryk | But I think it's the same with drawing. |
| 08:44.10 | drclue | I myself can write anything from the ground up. Anyone who cannot achieve their effect from the ground up is a script kiddie. It's OK to use blocks to save time , but if you could not yourself make those blocks , you are but a poser |
| 08:44.23 | phryk | You can do a shitty picture with 200$ colors but also an awesome picture with just a pencil. |
| 08:44.43 | b14ck | goodnight guys |
| 08:44.47 | phryk | drclue: Or somebody still learning |
| 08:44.52 | phryk | b14ck: night |
| 08:44.52 | b14ck | i'm going to bed. ~2am here, need to get some zleep |
| 08:44.57 | drmessano | Anyone can buy a $3000 machine and user $3000 bloatware to accomplish a task.. I can say the same about typing a fucking letter in Vista with Office 2007 on an $1800 laptop that I could do even better on a 386 with Wordperfect 5.1 |
| 08:44.57 | b14ck | enjoy your hacking |
| 08:46.04 | drclue | If your typing something from vista , I'll grant you forgiveness as nobody else will :) |
| 08:46.39 | *** join/#asterisk alrs (n=lars@71.143.241.188) |
| 08:47.12 | drmessano | I'd say the same for someone using OpenOffice on FC11 that tells me they're sticking it to the man.. |
| 08:47.21 | drmessano | Which man, Redhat or Sun? |
| 08:47.45 | drclue | I use "None of the above" |
| 08:47.46 | phryk | But drmessano, Fedora is sooooo shiny *_* :D |
| 08:48.29 | drclue | Fedora bleeds a little too much for my purposes , but on most days far less than M$ |
| 08:48.39 | drmessano | phryk: Why must you taunt me so.. is 4chan down again? |
| 08:49.04 | phryk | Mhh, 4chan... |
| 08:49.14 | phryk | That's real enterainment... |
| 08:49.23 | phryk | Like big brother only even more pathetic :) |
| 08:50.00 | drclue | All my satellite TV still works without IKS or Rupert , so go figure |
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| 08:58.32 | drclue | Free TV,Free Internet , Free Electricity , Free Water, Free Sewer ,Free Food .... Hack that |
| 08:59.02 | coppice | Free Nelson Mandela |
| 08:59.29 | drclue | He don't cost me anything either |
| 09:00.25 | tzafrir_laptop | you mean you have free running sewer in your apartment? |
| 09:00.56 | drclue | ÇÇÉ¹É sı ÇÉÄ±× puÉ ÆuıɥÊou ɹoÉ ÊÇuoɯ |
| 09:01.33 | drclue | Apartment my ass, I have always had at least seven acres free |
| 09:02.18 | coppice | The park doesn't count |
| 09:02.50 | drclue | I actually rent out part of my Nacho land for pocket money and it aint no park |
| 09:03.32 | drclue | Who do ya think came up with the phrase "Nacho" ? |
| 09:03.55 | coppice | a cheese maker? |
| 09:03.56 | drmessano | Sleeping off a night of drinking wild turkey in the middle of a cornfield ---> MAD REAL ESTATE HACK |
| 09:04.03 | drclue | Nada |
| 09:04.16 | drmessano | Frito Lay? |
| 09:04.22 | drclue | Nada |
| 09:04.35 | drmessano | Lemme guess |
| 09:04.39 | drmessano | and I may be WAY off here |
| 09:04.42 | drmessano | You? |
| 09:05.02 | drclue | Emm , pretty good guess |
| 09:05.21 | drmessano | While on a conference call with John Draper, Kevin Mitnick, and the Easter Bunny? |
| 09:07.19 | drclue | Alas I've never had the providable of conversing with the kindred of Kevin and the like, as it appears we all are spawned in our own separate realities and the static in between keeps us from ever meeting |
| 09:07.42 | drmessano | You couldn't hack that? |
| 09:08.53 | drclue | I'm not the only one on the planet that can hack by far and there is really no reason for us to each sweat how to discuss the creation of fire |
| 09:11.34 | drclue | hacking is not some special gift given , just a way of thinking |
| 09:12.31 | phryk | :) |
| 09:12.45 | phryk | I guess I will be a hacker... But it's still at least a few years to that^^ |
| 09:14.19 | drclue | unless you feel threatened by the IQ of some small furry creature , it is within you to do anything you've seen done before and certainly within you to imagine more . Those that have no ability to think are called sheeple and vote for democras and republicans as if it mattered |
| 09:16.30 | phryk | ^_^ |
| 09:16.40 | phryk | I vote for music *_* |
| 09:16.41 | drmessano | phryk: If you want to be a hacker, you never will.. Being a real hacker isn't about defacing websites, or good vs evil, or any of that bullshit.. it really has nothing to do with computers or even electronics.. it's a way of life |
| 09:16.51 | phryk | drmessano: i don't want to be one |
| 09:17.12 | drmessano | [05:13] <phryk> I guess I will be a hacker... But it's still at least a few years to that^^ |
| 09:17.16 | phryk | i just feel i will, because i have a large overlay with other hackers |
| 09:17.18 | drmessano | Are you on something? |
| 09:17.27 | drmessano | .... |
| 09:17.31 | phryk | I didn't say "I want to be a hacker" |
| 09:18.00 | phryk | I follow my interests to follow my interests not to be something... |
| 09:18.15 | drclue | I think that all wanna-be "hackers" should go take a job in a phone room selling magazines or old clothes pick ups for charity for about 3-6 months just to start to understand things like social engineering. I think they should only buy computers that cost $150 or less. If you can't do those things just remain a sheeple |
| 09:19.10 | phryk | I have no expensive computers.. |
| 09:19.18 | phryk | And I am still satisfied with them |
| 09:19.31 | phryk | Hardware is basically hyped only for games... |
| 09:19.44 | phryk | I mean C hasn't changed since 1999, has it? |
| 09:20.02 | phryk | Protocols remain basically the same, so why would I need a new computer |
| 09:20.56 | drmessano | You still don't get it |
| 09:21.10 | drmessano | Too much 2600 |
| 09:21.14 | drclue | "hackers" used to be a good word. The bad guys were "crackers", but these days who the Fu*k cares. The good guys are nut jobs on CNN who went at it the wrong way but were pissed off for the right reason |
| 09:21.16 | phryk | never read 2600 |
| 09:21.23 | phryk | drclue: i know that |
| 09:21.59 | phryk | I think basically we aren't on the same "channel" at the moment |
| 09:22.09 | phryk | I don't want to crack anything |
| 09:22.15 | drmessano | If you've ever looked at a ham sandwich and wondered what made it tick, you're probably a hacker |
| 09:22.43 | phryk | drmessano: i just wanted to say "in terms of learning, i just want to know what makes my machine tick" :D |
| 09:23.04 | drclue | I like to crack and hack everything and simply be kind to those things that are right |
| 09:23.04 | drmessano | If you've ever looked a ham sandwich and wondered how you can steal 2 more of them, youre a lame ass script kiddie |
| 09:23.33 | phryk | The.. I don't know how to say |
| 09:23.51 | phryk | What I want to know is not exactly but at least in principle how computers work ground up |
| 09:24.01 | drclue | I guess I'm not a script kiddie as I've never wanted an extra sandwich :) |
| 09:24.06 | drmessano | lol |
| 09:24.15 | phryk | from high and low voltage levels for binary to hex and command sets to higher languages up to user applications |
| 09:24.57 | phryk | I just don't like to have that big black box in my machine that I have no Idea of how it works |
| 09:25.24 | drclue | phryk: if ya look around there are specifications that cover seven layers for what ya just said and I myself have coded them all |
| 09:25.34 | phryk | First thing I did to the c64 i got when I was 6 or so was taking it apart :D |
| 09:25.45 | phryk | drclue: you mean the osi model? |
| 09:26.02 | phryk | thats only network. or do you mean another model? |
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| 09:26.24 | maskas | hello |
| 09:26.35 | phryk | HELO maskas |
| 09:26.37 | drclue | So I guess your 26 or so . I'm nearly twice that age |
| 09:26.42 | maskas | Was wondering if somebody could help me |
| 09:26.42 | phryk | drclue: 21 |
| 09:26.55 | phryk | the c64 was very outdated when i got it |
| 09:26.58 | phryk | but i still loved it :) |
| 09:26.59 | drmessano | I once completely deconstructed a 7 layer burrito at taco bell and proved to the employees their claims of 7 layers were completely misleading |
| 09:27.01 | drclue | Shit more than twice that age by far |
| 09:27.19 | maskas | I occasionaly keep on getting this error: |
| 09:27.20 | maskas | [Aug 2 14:25:59] WARNING[11188]: chan_dahdi.c:8615 pri_fixup_principle: Call specified, but not found? |
| 09:27.20 | maskas | [Aug 2 14:25:59] WARNING[11188]: chan_dahdi.c:9759 pri_dchannel: Hangup on bad channel 0/3 on span 1 |
| 09:27.31 | drclue | OSI works as a model as do others |
| 09:27.52 | phryk | drmessano: Awesome. That could've been me :D |
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| 09:28.19 | drclue | Some would wittle that down to 3-4 layers , but I don't give a flying fuck |
| 09:28.45 | phryk | Meh. It's only an abstraction in the end. |
| 09:28.47 | drmessano | phryk: What would your motivation have been.. another burrito or free chips? |
| 09:29.03 | phryk | I'd just go with what let's me learn the fastest |
| 09:29.17 | phryk | drmessano: The baffled looks on the faces of the employees |
| 09:29.53 | phryk | The "I-know-it-better-than-you-even-though-you-have-done-it"-feeling :P |
| 09:29.59 | drclue | Howdy maskas , I'm on beer 18 right now of weekend reprieve , but if I don't go to sleep too soon maybe I can answer that |
| 09:31.02 | maskas | drclue: thanks! hoping you stay awake hehe |
| 09:31.12 | drclue | drmessano: FREE burrito, mre food value |
| 09:32.15 | drclue | maskas , ya know how to dial an extension at an IP? |
| 09:32.23 | drmessano | My goal was to prove it's not a layer if theres no clear seperation between each layer.. if layers 3 and 5 touch due to an insufficient 4th layer, their claim is bogus |
| 09:32.29 | drmessano | I was also slightly drunk |
| 09:32.46 | maskas | drclue: yes I do |
| 09:33.09 | drclue | Lik I give a shit whose dick drug a line in the sand barf |
| 09:33.30 | phryk | Err, what? |
| 09:33.39 | drclue | maskas , start a PM and I'll stumble over there |
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| 09:34.16 | phryk | drclue: You don't happen to be enlightened by allmighty Eris, do you? |
| 09:35.01 | drclue | Eris could not afford my bud bill. Anyway gotta go solve a problem for somebody |
| 09:35.32 | phryk | Well then, have fun, dr. octopus. |
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| 09:40.00 | Rob3Rt | lol |
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| 10:00.50 | drclue | The echo cancellation from Pakistan is a bitch |
| 10:03.08 | drclue | Still , I think the fellow is not exactly getting a T1 QOS |
| 10:06.31 | drclue | I know I'm supposed to hate anyone that is not Capital One or Halliburton and those folks have all our best interests at heart (NOT), but I believe that helping most anyone helps us all |
| 10:07.29 | drclue | Time for some porn I guess and a little free TV followed by some sleep |
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| 10:49.32 | mgkt | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:49.42 | mgkt | how can i solve this problem? |
| 10:49.51 | mgkt | i am using softphone now with asterisk |
| 10:50.04 | mgkt | i can call to other cisco ip phones from softphone |
| 10:50.26 | mgkt | but can't call to softphone from other cisco phone extensions |
| 10:50.36 | mgkt | where should i fix it? |
| 10:51.23 | mgkt | ? |
| 10:51.25 | kron4eg | mgkt: in your dialplan |
| 10:52.02 | mgkt | kron4eg: can you tell me what should i change in my dialplan? |
| 10:53.37 | kron4eg | maybe, if you show it :) |
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| 10:58.09 | mgkt | kron4eg: check it |
| 10:58.19 | mgkt | exten => 501,1,NoOp(--- ${CALLERID} calling (${EXTEN}) ---) exten => 501,n,wait(1) exten => 501,n,SetMusicOnHold(default) exten => 501,n,Dial(SIP/501,20|m,tr) exten => 501,n,VoiceMail,u59999 exten => 501,102,VoiceMail,b59999 exten => 501,103,Hangup() |
| 11:01.31 | mgkt | ? |
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| 11:31.20 | maskas | Been trying to figure out a problem, and have diagnosed the following. |
| 11:32.36 | maskas | I send an outgoing call via a pri over a certain channel, the remote end signals to asterisk to move the call to another channel. The call connects but audio is on way. I can hear called party but they can not hear me |
| 11:33.31 | maskas | also when the calls hangs up, the following error is shown: WARNING[11188]: chan_dahdi.c:8615 pri_fixup_principle: Call specified, but not found?, and chan_dahdi.c:9759 pri_dchannel: Hangup on bad channel 0/3 on span 1 |
| 11:33.44 | maskas | Anybody here who could possibly help me? |
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| 12:45.47 | mgkt | anyway, |
| 12:45.49 | mgkt | i got it now |
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| 13:49.58 | CheBuzz_Home | Perhaps somebody can help me. I have a Cisco 7960G loaded with the Sip 08-11 firmware. I think I have it all setup to register with my asterisk server with username/password home7960/secret. I have verified this in both my phone config and my asterisk config. But when I look at the sip debug the phone just can never seem to authenticate. Anybody have any ideas? |
| 13:51.45 | riddlebox | youve set the config files for the phone and the tftp server is working? |
| 13:52.30 | CheBuzz_Home | Yes, I have. And I see the phone grab the config files. I see the changes I make in the config files propogate to the phone's config after a reboot. |
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| 13:53.14 | riddlebox | hrmm can you pastebin, the files and sip.conf |
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| 14:11.27 | devyll | after I press pound key when leaving a voicemail message asterisk plays "auth-thankyou" sound file .. How can I change the file to be played after leaving a message ? does "auth-thankyou" play in other situations also ? |
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| 14:18.27 | maskas | also when the calls hangs up, the following error is shown: WARNING[11188]: chan_dahdi.c:8615 pri_fixup_principle: Call specified, but not found?, and chan_dahdi.c:9759 pri_dchannel: Hangup on bad channel 0/3 on span 1 |
| 14:18.33 | maskas | I send an outgoing call via a pri over a certain channel, the remote end signals to asterisk to move the call to another channel. The call connects but audio is on way. I can hear called party but they can not hear me |
| 14:18.54 | maskas | am hoping someone can help me with this issue |
| 14:19.11 | riddlebox | devyll, you would have to find the source file that controls it and make the change |
| 14:19.46 | riddlebox | maskas, sorry havent messed with t1 or pri with asterisk |
| 14:22.09 | devyll | riddlebox: you mean app_voicemail.c ? auth-thankyou appears on line 33 from : http://pastebin.com/da393328 .... it's a part from app-voicemail.c |
| 14:22.21 | maskas | noprob, I'm almost begining to feel like its a bug |
| 14:22.42 | devyll | the question is ... if i record a custom auth-thankyou and replace it ... will this file be used in other places or by other applications ? |
| 14:26.29 | riddlebox | devyll, yes |
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| 14:28.45 | devyll | ... is there any support in asterisk to silence every hardcoded sound file when recording a vm ? parameter "s" only cuts the "before" instructions/comments .. the thankyou is still played .. . |
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| 14:30.45 | devyll | and it seems to me that auth-thankyou after recording a vm message is handeled in main/app.c line 779 |
| 14:31.24 | devyll | it's the section which handles recording and playing audio from a channel. the problem is that i don't want to change source files.. |
| 14:31.57 | devyll | and .. I can't chane auth-thankyou file either because it is used by other apps ... any suggestions ? |
| 14:38.33 | devyll | guess don't have any other options. thanks anyway. |
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| 14:42.58 | speedy | i'm running asterisk 1.6.0.9 that ships with trixbox distro, asterisk is behind NAT, and the phone is behind NAT on different network, i'm being able to make call on both sides but there is no audio when i answer the call, is there a work around for this problem? |
| 14:44.37 | jaytee | ~sipnat |
| 14:44.38 | infobot | [~sipnat] Quick guide on configuring * + SIP behind NAT : http://www.aocomputing.net/?p=3 , otherwise check the WIKI at http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+SIP+NAT+solutions |
| 14:46.03 | speedy | thanks jaytee, I will try that |
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| 15:02.32 | redax | hi, |
| 15:03.09 | redax | is that possible there's something wrong with the features in 1.6.1.1 ? same SIP phone and features works with another box where * is 1.6.0.9 |
| 15:06.22 | CheBuzz_Home | riddlebox: Did you see anything wrong with my configs? (I was disconnected before so I missed any previous response) |
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| 15:27.53 | eppigy | hello |
| 15:27.55 | eppigy | i am dave |
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| 15:32.57 | [TK]D-Fender | eppigy: ...we know :p |
| 15:39.16 | tzafrir_laptop | [TK]D-Fender, we know you know |
| 15:39.43 | [TK]D-Fender | tzafrir_laptop: And I know that you know that I know... you know :p |
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| 15:46.35 | CheBuzz_Home | Here is a dump of my SIP debug: http://pastebin.com/m3437ea33 |
| 15:47.09 | CheBuzz_Home | I simply can not figure out what is wrong. It seems that the 7960 just can't authenticate, but I have triple-checked the username and passwords. |
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| 15:54.13 | kaldemar | CheBuzz_Home: your client (the cisco) isn't even trying to authenticate |
| 15:54.36 | CheBuzz_Home | I see that, but why? It's really odd. |
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| 15:56.28 | CheBuzz_Home | Ok, figured it out. Too short of timeout for SIP invite. |
| 15:56.34 | CheBuzz_Home | Stupid tutorial.... |
| 15:57.21 | CheBuzz_Home | Oh, apparently that wasn't it. |
| 15:57.34 | ethicx | sup you all. |
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| 16:00.31 | Polysics | hello |
| 16:00.55 | Polysics | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:01.09 | Polysics | getting this when trying to play hello-world on a 1.6.2-svn install |
| 16:01.24 | Polysics | i already had to disable timerfd because it didn't want to work |
| 16:01.41 | Polysics | i'm starting to think i should step back and use a stable 1.6.1 |
| 16:02.26 | Polysics | would using a stable version be better for a beginner? |
| 16:02.32 | Polysics | join #web |
| 16:02.35 | Polysics | oops |
| 16:02.58 | drmessano | Always |
| 16:03.17 | drmessano | Beta, Alpha, and unstable don't mean "new and hot" |
| 16:03.28 | Polysics | i just followed a guide :-) |
| 16:03.48 | Polysics | i know i would like to use 1.6 because of the improved SIP performance, as I will be doing only SIP on this setup |
| 16:03.57 | WindowsUser | if you're wanting to play with skype for asterisk you might need 1.6.1 svn |
| 16:04.14 | Polysics | isn't svn 1.6.2? |
| 16:04.34 | Polysics | i think i will step back to a stable version |
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| 16:04.46 | Polysics | but anyway, anyone has ever seen the above error? |
| 16:04.55 | Polysics | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:06.04 | Polysics | i suppose it has something to do with not playing nice with the default sound samplesprovided |
| 16:06.26 | Polysics | i haven't done much, defined a single SIP phone then defined a simple app that uses Playback |
| 16:06.30 | [TK]D-Fender | Polysics: SVN is a source versioning tool. All versions use their own branch in SVN |
| 16:06.53 | Polysics | [TK]D-Fender: sure, but i supposed a "past" version hasn'r changed since stable |
| 16:07.01 | Polysics | if i'm wrong, sorry :-) |
| 16:07.24 | [TK]D-Fender | Polysics: Past versions are revisions sitting in there you can checkout specifically |
| 16:07.57 | Polysics | anyway, i'm not planning on using skype for asterisk yet, since it's not very stable |
| 16:08.09 | Polysics | so i might be better off with the latest stable version anyway |
| 16:09.20 | [TK]D-Fender | Polysics: 1.6.0 branch is the current recommended branch |
| 16:10.08 | Polysics | i'll just wget the tarball |
| 16:10.20 | Polysics | it's a VM i'm testing on anyway |
| 16:10.29 | Polysics | will never actually be used |
| 16:10.42 | Polysics | am i correct in saying that i need to : |
| 16:10.59 | Polysics | 1) define a SIP entry for the client in sip.conf |
| 16:11.21 | Polysics | 2) define an extension in extensions.conf with Answer, Playback and Hangup |
| 16:11.32 | Polysics | 3) dial the extension and hear the sound |
| 16:11.39 | Polysics | or am i missing some steps? |
| 16:11.55 | Polysics | so far i have been stopped by the above "internal" errors |
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| 16:20.27 | [TK]D-Fender | Polysics: Apparently the part about "choosing codecs" |
| 16:20.39 | [TK]D-Fender | Polysics: Key part of setting up your SIP peer |
| 16:20.41 | [TK]D-Fender | BRB |
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| 16:30.19 | frieze | is there a reason why the order of fxo and fxs channels that dahdi_scan returns seems to be the reverse of the order dahdi_genconf created in my dahdi-channels.conf? |
| 16:32.14 | frieze | or is there a dahdi/zap channel I should be asking in? |
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| 16:36.23 | frieze | or am I alone here? |
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| 16:37.19 | box2 | we're all alone at one point or another |
| 16:37.30 | frieze | true true |
| 16:37.36 | kron4eg | :) |
| 16:37.56 | frieze | luckily I can have my asterisk system call me and tell me my extension number |
| 16:38.10 | box2 | heh |
| 16:39.05 | mbrevda | frieze: it gets better: try echo() |
| 16:41.54 | frieze | mbrevda: sounds too much like the voice in my head |
| 16:42.02 | frieze | only that one doesn't tell me to burn things |
| 16:42.06 | frieze | usually |
| 16:42.40 | frieze | aha! could dahdi be assigning channel numbers in the opposite order that the physical ports are placed on the card? |
| 16:44.24 | [TK]D-Fender | frieze: No. The card has an order, and it follows it |
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| 16:45.25 | rickross | I have a set of sound files from westany.com (British Rachael) which is mostly working correctly, but none of the days or digits are playing |
| 16:45.44 | rickross | I'm using * 1.6.x - anyone else ever encountered this? |
| 16:46.13 | [TK]D-Fender | rickross: Then you are missing sounds |
| 16:46.52 | [TK]D-Fender | rickross: this is not a "bug" |
| 16:46.54 | rickross | TK - I have "languageprefix=yes" set in /etc/asterisk/asterisk.conf |
| 16:47.24 | [TK]D-Fender | rickross: that changes which subfolder is searched for sounds. Are your digits in the right folder based on that? |
| 16:47.41 | rickross | which, iirc, should imply that my "language=en" setting will cause * to look in /var/lib/asterisk/sounds/en/digits |
| 16:48.04 | rickross | well, perhaps in /var/lib/asterisk/sounds/en/digits/en |
| 16:48.13 | rickross | it's clear as mud |
| 16:48.52 | [TK]D-Fender | mud is very clear if you spread it thin enough |
| 16:48.59 | rickross | :) good point |
| 16:52.24 | rickross | my /var/lib/asterisk/sounds/en has a "digits" sub-dir, which has an "en" sub-dir contining all the .sln files |
| 16:59.07 | rickross | hmm, I copied all the .sln files from /var/lib/asterisk/sounds/en/digits/en into /var/lib/asterisk/sounds/digits, and now they work |
| 16:59.21 | WindowsUser | en/digits/en doesn't sound right |
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| 16:59.42 | WindowsUser | /var/lib/asterisk/en/digits if that fails, swap en and digits? |
| 16:59.48 | WindowsUser | err |
| 16:59.55 | rickross | but wht are digits handling the language specification differently than other sounds |
| 16:59.57 | WindowsUser | /var/lib/asterisk/sounds/digits/en |
| 17:00.22 | rickross | the rest are under /var/lib/asterisk/sounds/en, and afaik all the rest are operative |
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| 17:01.24 | WindowsUser | probably something they missed, and now its kept the same way to be consistant |
| 17:03.38 | rickross | the a-m.sln and p-m.sln files don't seem to be working - it craps out if I dial *60 to hear the current time |
| 17:03.59 | [TK]D-Fender | rinremember then "en" is default and generally non-existant as a folder...rickGo look at the stock language packs for the proper layout. |
| 17:04.09 | [TK]D-Fender | rickross: Remember then "en" is default and generally non-existant as a folder...rickGo look at the stock language packs for the proper layout. |
| 17:04.27 | hesco | In invoking an AGI script, is this sort of syntax legal?: exten => 901,n,Set(RESULT=AGI(script.agi,$ARGUMENT)) |
| 17:04.30 | Qwell | frieze: are you forgetting that fxo ports use fxs signaling? |
| 17:04.45 | [TK]D-Fender | hesco: AGI is a APPLICATION, not a FUNCTION |
| 17:05.13 | [TK]D-Fender | hesco: If you're in AGI, just set a channel variable |
| 17:05.14 | hesco | how do I get a result back to the dialplan which can be used in the dialplan, then? |
| 17:05.45 | rickross | there's definitely no "en" sub-dir in the asterisk-core-sounds-en-ulaw-current.tar.gz |
| 17:05.50 | [TK]D-Fender | hesco: SET A VARIABLE |
| 17:05.58 | Qwell | rickross: there is when it's installed |
| 17:06.04 | eppigy | ROSS |
| 17:06.16 | hesco | inside the AGI, and that will then be accessible in the dialplan, upon return? |
| 17:07.03 | rickross | Qwell, could you put a listing of the installed dir structure for the sounds in a pastebin? |
| 17:07.06 | [TK]D-Fender | hesco: Do you really have no idea what AGI is about? |
| 17:07.17 | [TK]D-Fender | hesco: AGI = dialplan in a language of your choice. |
| 17:07.17 | Qwell | rickross: en/.. |
| 17:07.46 | hesco | I'm working to wrap my head around it, but my installation has not been behaving as promised in the documentation |
| 17:07.50 | rickross | should there be a digits/en under that? |
| 17:07.53 | Qwell | no |
| 17:08.02 | Qwell | en/digits/ |
| 17:08.02 | rickross | simply a digits ? |
| 17:08.08 | rickross | ok, lemme try that |
| 17:08.30 | hesco | I started out writing an agi script which would handle the entire dialplan, but nothing worked unless wrapped in EXEC |
| 17:09.06 | hesco | so now I'm trying to write a dialplan which only leans on the agi script for those pieces not easily accomplished in a dialplan |
| 17:09.35 | hesco | I'll see what I can do then with SET VARIABLE |
| 17:16.20 | hesco | [TK]D-Fender: thanks. that seems to have done the trick (even as it made visible an unresolved bug). Moving forward again. Thanks. |
| 17:18.01 | rickross | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:18.23 | rickross | should that be saying " and <bla> seconds" ? |
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| 17:24.36 | [TK]D-Fender | rickross: that is a dialplan error, nothing to do with language |
| 17:28.51 | rickross | TK, is the format string improperly quoted? |
| 17:30.40 | [TK]D-Fender | rickross: What you see on that line is dialplan. Not the audio files played. If you don't like the content, thtas a dialplan error |
| 17:31.12 | rickross | it plays the hours and minutes, then terminates |
| 17:31.28 | rickross | it would appear to intend to play the seconds, too - but fails to |
| 17:32.02 | [TK]D-Fender | rickross: I'm not seeing any of it |
| 17:33.09 | rickross | http://pastebin.ca/1515828 |
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| 17:36.35 | [TK]D-Fender | rickross: Doesn't seem to want to say anything more... |
| 17:36.41 | [TK]D-Fender | rickross: Dialplan error <- |
| 17:37.08 | [TK]D-Fender | rickross: ===rickross: member of #asterisk, #drupal, #ubuntu-server, and #freepbx <- Guess who you can take that up with? |
| 17:37.27 | rickross | ;) |
| 17:37.51 | rickross | yeah, I think it is an issue in the freepbx "app-speakingclock-custom" |
| 17:38.21 | manxpower | *whine* Why can 't we just shoot FreePBX users? |
| 17:38.48 | manxpower | [TK]D-Fender: have you done a ~freepbx recently? |
| 17:39.07 | [TK]D-Fender | manxpower: a few times this past week. |
| 17:39.15 | manxpower | ~freepbx |
| 17:39.16 | infobot | [~freepbx] FreePBX is unable to be supported here. It is made up of complex dialplans and scripts which can't be easily supported by people who aren't deeply involved. Try joining #freepbx and asking there |
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| 17:42.43 | b14ck | hey all |
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| 17:46.05 | b14ck | in /etc/dahdi/modules, is there suppoed to be an entry for dahdi_dummy? |
| 17:46.19 | b14ck | i'm having problems getting dahdi to run, and i dont see it in there, was thinking that may be an issue |
| 17:48.13 | Polysics | exit |
| 17:48.23 | Qwell | b14ck: dahdi doesn't run. |
| 17:48.59 | b14ck | i've installed the latest asterisk from source on a gentoo system, and after install the dahdi-tools package, i'm still unable to see dahdi_dummy running via lsmod, and im unable to use any dahdi commands in the astgerisk console |
| 17:49.04 | b14ck | i've messed something up =p |
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| 17:49.20 | b14ck | an equivalent install (using the same compile flags, etc) on a centos box seem to work |
| 17:49.26 | sirus | Is it possiable to use Google Voice with Asterisk? |
| 17:49.47 | Qwell | b14ck: then they need to fix their init script |
| 17:50.04 | b14ck | Qwell: I'm currently looking at the init script, but I'm not sure exactly what is wrong with it? |
| 17:50.18 | Qwell | well obviously it isn't loading dahdi_dummy when it's needed |
| 17:50.22 | b14ck | I don't have a lot of experience with dahdi in particular, and knowing how it works/what configs it uses. |
| 17:51.04 | b14ck | Qwell: in /etc/dahdi/modules should there be an entry for dahdi_dummy? |
| 17:51.21 | Qwell | on a sane system, no |
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| 17:51.55 | b14ck | ok, i thought maybe thats what i was missing |
| 17:52.36 | b14ck | Qwell: I'm missing /dev/dahdi |
| 17:52.39 | b14ck | it doesnt exist D: |
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| 17:52.56 | Qwell | like I said - they need to fix their init script |
| 17:53.39 | b14ck | at what point of the install is /dev/dahdi created? during the dahdi-linux installation? |
| 17:53.49 | Qwell | when dahdi is loaded.. |
| 17:55.10 | b14ck | i dont suppose you know who is in charge of the gentoo init script? |
| 17:55.12 | b14ck | /debian |
| 17:55.15 | Qwell | gentoo |
| 17:55.46 | manxpower | b14ck: Do you have a Digium or Sangoma card? |
| 17:55.56 | b14ck | I'm installing from the official asterisk sources. Do you mean the gentoo asterisk package maintainer is the one responsible for the init scripts in there? |
| 17:56.00 | b14ck | manxpower: na |
| 17:56.07 | b14ck | I just wanted to get dahdi_dummy working |
| 17:56.11 | b14ck | it's for some testing |
| 17:56.13 | manxpower | b14ck: Do you need to use conferencing (meetme?) |
| 17:56.18 | b14ck | yes |
| 17:56.19 | sirus | Does anyone know? |
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| 17:56.31 | manxpower | b14ck: can you load the modules manually? |
| 17:56.50 | b14ck | manxpower: |
| 17:56.50 | b14ck | blackbox ~ # modprobe dahdi |
| 17:56.51 | b14ck | FATAL: Error inserting dahdi (/lib/modules/2.6.29-gentoo-r5/dahdi/dahdi.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) |
| 17:57.12 | manxpower | if you can't load them manually, you won't be able to load them automatically |
| 17:57.18 | b14ck | ya i'm aware |
| 17:57.19 | b14ck | :( |
| 17:57.27 | manxpower | what does dmesg say about it? |
| 17:57.34 | b14ck | I think that part of the installation for dahdi-linux/tools is messed up for gentoo |
| 17:59.58 | b14ck | manxpower: http://pastebin.com/m657eeef7 |
| 18:00.34 | manxpower | [ Â 707.833434] dahdi: Unknown symbol crc_ccitt_table |
| 18:00.45 | manxpower | looks like you don't have the ccitt kernel module loaded |
| 18:00.52 | b14ck | oO |
| 18:01.00 | Qwell | modprobe would have loaded it if it existed |
| 18:01.12 | b14ck | I didn't know that was a kernel module that i needed |
| 18:01.20 | b14ck | I only have a few kernel modules turned on. |
| 18:01.26 | Qwell | don't use Gentoo. |
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| 18:01.39 | manxpower | next time get your software working before you screw with your distro |
| 18:01.42 | b14ck | Qwell: I don't usually use this sort ofthing for asterisk. I'm just doing a test. |
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| 18:05.15 | b14ck | well, recompiling the kernel with ccit module available |
| 18:05.18 | b14ck | let's see how it goes :) |
| 18:05.25 | b14ck | thanks manxpower && qwell |
| 18:14.43 | b14ck | well, even after adding that kernel module, still no luck |
| 18:15.25 | b14ck | and the dmesg now shows no references to dahdi |
| 18:15.29 | b14ck | so it's got to be something else |
| 18:15.41 | b14ck | /dev/dahdi still doesnt exist |
| 18:15.42 | b14ck | D: |
| 18:15.51 | Qwell | don't use Gentoo. |
| 18:16.12 | b14ck | ya--guess i have no choice |
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| 18:16.57 | b14ck | back to centos :( |
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| 18:18.33 | manxpower | Qwell: is that an official Digium postion? |
| 18:18.43 | RypPn | b14ck dont use the init script for dahdi, add it to /etc/conf.d/local.start |
| 18:18.51 | RypPn | as a modpreobe |
| 18:19.02 | Qwell | manxpower: It's an official Qwell has used Gentoo before and understands all the problems with it position. |
| 18:19.18 | manxpower | *My* recommendations are "use the distro you are most comfortable with." |
| 18:19.59 | Qwell | and clearly he isn't comfortable with it. |
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| 18:20.04 | merkurie | hi, in asterisk 1.6.1.1, when using users.conf, is there a way to change it so all users aren't added to the default context as an extension? I have a different context specified for each entry, but it still seems they are always added to 'default'? |
| 18:20.44 | manxpower | merkurie: users.conf is usually only used by GUIs, not people. |
| 18:21.58 | merkurie | manxpower, yeah, i'm going from abe to oss asterisk 1.6, i don't have any love affair with users.conf, but if i use sip.conf, can i specify the 'macaddress' and 'autoprov' options there? |
| 18:22.42 | Qwell | merkurie: I think there's a separate phoneprov.conf |
| 18:23.47 | merkurie | Qwell, there is, but i think that is really for the configuration of res_phoneprov (which i am using) but its really 'global' type stuff, i don't think you can specify users in there, and even if you did, having to touch 3 files everytime a user is added would get kinda nutty |
| 18:23.59 | sirus | Anyone using Google Voice + Asterisk? |
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| 18:28.56 | frieze | okay so dahdi_scan says that 1 have fxos on ports 1-4 and fxss on ports 5 to 8. dahdi_cfg -vv says I have fxs on 1-4 and fxo on 5-8. Is one of them reporting which should be connected to as or something? http://pastebin.com/m292aef26 |
| 18:30.04 | Chainsaw | frieze: FXO ports have FXS signalling on them, and vice versa. |
| 18:30.35 | Chainsaw | frieze: So one gives you the port type, the other gives you the signalling run on that port. |
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| 18:31.01 | maskas | Anybody here who could possibly help me? |
| 18:31.12 | frieze | Chainsaw: ahh, I think i get it. so dahdi_cfg is finding the signalling to use for my conf file then? |
| 18:31.18 | maskas | I send an outgoing call via a pri over a certain channel, the remote end signals to asterisk to move the call to another channel. The call connects but audio is on way. I can hear called party but they can not hear me |
| 18:31.31 | maskas | also when the calls hangs up, the following error is shown: WARNING[11188]: chan_dahdi.c:8615 pri_fixup_principle: Call specified, but not found?, and chan_dahdi.c:9759 pri_dchannel: Hangup on bad channel 0/3 on span 1 |
| 18:31.36 | Chainsaw | frieze: Correct. |
| 18:32.41 | frieze | Chainsaw: thanks. |
| 18:37.57 | speedy | anyone running trixbox 2.8 here? |
| 18:41.23 | Qwell | speedy: #trixbox |
| 18:44.48 | maskas | anybody who could help me with PRI related problem? |
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| 19:09.58 | [TK]D-Fender | Gah... f-ing FLV's crash my Winblows install |
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| 19:20.03 | manxpower | maskas: I don't think Asterisk supports calls moving between channels |
| 19:20.46 | manxpower | I KNOW it does not work in 1.4 and earlier. I know significant changes to libpri happened in the 1.6 Asterisk, but I don't know of it supports channels moving around or not. |
| 19:21.04 | manxpower | I'd recommends asking on the mailing list and searching the archives |
| 19:21.05 | manxpower | ~mailinglist |
| 19:21.06 | infobot | [~mailinglist] The Asterisk mailing lists can be found at http://lists.digium.com , http://www.asteriskguru.com/archives Search the archives by adding "site:lists.digium.com" to your Google search. |
| 19:21.31 | jaytee | 2BCT? there were bounties on it but I don't think any ever got any results |
| 19:21.59 | manxpower | jaytee: from his description I don't think he is using 2BCT |
| 19:22.02 | manxpower | 2BCT is supported in 1.6.x |
| 19:22.03 | jaytee | oh |
| 19:22.21 | jaytee | really? does the telco charge extra? |
| 19:22.26 | manxpower | in 1.4 it was only supported on one specific brand of telco switch |
| 19:22.41 | jaytee | in 1.4 that was the 5ESS? |
| 19:22.44 | manxpower | jaytee: no idea, I never used 1.4 in production. |
| 19:24.39 | manxpower | If my customer ever upgraded the plan was to go to 1.6 directly. |
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| 19:43.48 | rue_mohr | DONT USE THE NEW MILLIWATT, ITS AMPLITUDE IS QUITE WRONG, use milliwatt(o) which has the wrong freq (1000Hz, instead of 1004Hz) |
| 19:44.41 | manxpower | rue_mohr: that has been the case for years and years |
| 19:44.52 | rue_mohr | the old amplitude is bang on |
| 19:45.09 | manxpower | they must have fixed it then broken it again |
| 19:45.12 | rue_mohr | me and russel were fixing it and something got slurped up that shouldn't have |
| 19:45.24 | rue_mohr | https://issues.asterisk.org/view.php?id=15386 |
| 19:46.06 | rue_mohr | the value for the amplitude in teh new code is in the order of 23255. |
| 19:48.31 | manxpower | I wonder who broke it again |
| 19:48.47 | rue_mohr | me and russel were working on a fix |
| 19:49.06 | manxpower | yes, but it was fixed at least once before. |
| 19:49.10 | rue_mohr | I can tell you by trail and error that 23255 is close to 0db |
| 19:49.28 | rue_mohr | well it was -10db or so out |
| 19:49.57 | rue_mohr | I still think there is a deeper audio problem somewhere |
| 19:50.44 | drmessano | Ha badass.. |
| 19:50.56 | drmessano | I have an asterisk 1.6 box running with CentOS 5.3... |
| 19:50.59 | drmessano | System uptime: 6 years, 30 weeks, 5 days, 14 hours, 47 minutes, 48 seconds |
| 19:50.59 | drmessano | Last reload: 6 years, 30 weeks, 5 days, 14 hours, 47 minutes, 48 seconds |
| 19:51.03 | manxpower | ~book |
| 19:51.04 | infobot | [~book] Asterisk: The Future of Telephony 2nd Edition (ISBN 0-596-51048-9) --- Order yours at http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/9780596510480/ --- Free downloadable PDF at http://www.asteriskdocs.org --- HTML at http://astbook.asteriskdocs.org or see ~buybook |
| 19:51.22 | [TK]D-Fender | drmessano: I love my pre-release copy of res_fluxcapacitor.so as well |
| 19:51.29 | rue_mohr | 6 years, ... what features did asterisk have 6 years ago? |
| 19:52.02 | [TK]D-Fender | rue_mohr: all the same general stuff I use today... |
| 19:52.11 | drmessano | Made calls |
| 19:52.15 | drmessano | umm |
| 19:52.19 | drmessano | Call waiting |
| 19:52.45 | rue_mohr | I really really need to know the volume level on a sip stream realtime |
| 19:53.14 | drmessano | You need a hobby |
| 19:53.22 | rue_mohr | either asterisk is losing audio gain, or the polycom sets are |
| 19:53.29 | rue_mohr | I build robots |
| 19:53.44 | rue_mohr | http://eds.dyndns.org/~ircjunk/robots/robots.html |
| 19:54.27 | manxpower | rue_mohr: the Milliwatt section of ATFOT 2nd Edition documents it was beein 1000Hz with a note saying it's supposed to be 1004Hz. |
| 19:54.36 | rue_mohr | yea |
| 19:54.43 | manxpower | rue_mohr: what polycom models? |
| 19:55.06 | rue_mohr | when they used playtones to do the 1004, they were oblivious to the fact that it dosn't generate tones at 0dbm |
| 19:55.11 | rue_mohr | 601 |
| 19:55.54 | manxpower | there was significant audio gain problems and icon problems for the line keys when I used old sip.cfg, etc config files with 430 phones (i.e. phones released after the version of the config files I was using was released) |
| 19:55.56 | rue_mohr | milliwatt is called that cause it generates a 1mw signal, the 1004hz is to prevent aliasing on systems that sample at 8khz |
| 19:56.16 | rue_mohr | I put all new configs and firmware on them |
| 19:56.46 | manxpower | did you confirm the new stuff was loaded on the actual phones? |
| 19:56.54 | rue_mohr | the 1000Hz is less of a problem than the -11dbm signal is was generating |
| 19:57.09 | rue_mohr | yea, the phones have it |
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| 19:57.50 | KavanS | ok, I have a question...I need to setup a "PSTN Only" context...i.e. for fax outgoing, I wish it to only utilize SIP |
| 19:57.53 | rue_mohr | they quite changed their behaviour, their now slower, wont accept ok as enter, and one of them even crashes every so often |
| 19:58.11 | KavanS | does anyone have a simple method to do this? the current method I'm looking at involves recreating my dial rules entirely (new context for fax) |
| 19:58.27 | KavanS | *SIP = PSTN (sorry, wish it to use only analog) |
| 20:00.05 | [TK]D-Fender | KavanS: You details are weak as is your ability to show us what you have. |
| 20:00.59 | KavanS | [TK]D-Fender, sorry...so am I explaining the basic concept correctly? I am wishing that fax only dials out via Zap card, for regular calls I use a failover macro for dials |
| 20:01.12 | KavanS | so I'm assuming that I need to recreate an entirely new dial context... |
| 20:01.18 | KavanS | if I have such terminology correct... |
| 20:02.01 | [TK]D-Fender | KavanS: You can probably make your macro SMARTER |
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| 20:06.15 | sirus | Hrmm |
| 20:06.23 | sirus | google voice has bombed out on me |
| 20:06.29 | sirus | so much for that plan |
| 20:08.54 | KavanS | [TK]D-Fender, ok...so my fax is a iax.conf directive for hylafax called [iaxfax], how would I evaluate if a call is coming from this context/iax source? |
| 20:09.34 | [TK]D-Fender | KavanS: You could look at the CHANNEL's name... or set a var based on the call paced from that peer... |
| 20:10.07 | [TK]D-Fender | KavanS: So in your macro : From "IAX/fax/*" = behavior X, otherwise Y |
| 20:17.36 | KavanS | ok, so looks like I can evaluate ${MACRO_CONTEXT} for where the call is originating from |
| 20:25.09 | sirus | [TK]D-Fender: Will fonosip work for inbound/outbound calling with asterisk? |
| 20:25.29 | [TK]D-Fender | sirWhy wouldn't it? |
| 20:25.35 | [TK]D-Fender | sirus: Why wouldn't it? |
| 20:25.50 | sirus | [TK]D-Fender: Not sure just dont want to waste my money |
| 20:26.07 | [TK]D-Fender | sirus: What do they offer that others don't? |
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| 20:28.55 | sirus | [TK]D-Fender: Pretty much the same |
| 20:31.56 | sirus | [TK]D-Fender: Once I have my account and DID whats needed to plug it into asterisk? |
| 20:32.03 | hesco | Is this doing what I hope its doing? exten => 901,n,Read(RESPONSE,1,2,3) |
| 20:32.21 | hesco | I want it to accept one digit, to try twice and to timeout after three seconds. |
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| 20:33.21 | phuff | Hey there. |
| 20:33.26 | phuff | <-- asterisk n00b |
| 20:33.28 | hesco | do I need commas or '', to account for the missing filename and options? |
| 20:34.28 | phuff | If I basically just wanna use asterisk to proxy my POTS home phone is something like an SPA-3102 a good starter kit? |
| 20:34.39 | [TK]D-Fender | sirSame kind of stuff as required for anyone else |
| 20:35.03 | [TK]D-Fender | hesco: "core show application read" <----------- |
| 20:35.22 | [TK]D-Fender | phuff: "proxy"? |
| 20:35.43 | [TK]D-Fender | hesco: yes, you leave blank parms |
| 20:35.54 | phuff | [TK]D-Fender: I don't need multiple lines or voip even, I just wanna screen calls, basically, so that our line doesn't ring unless it's a known number |
| 20:36.21 | [TK]D-Fender | phuff: Sure the SPA should be fine as an FXO device |
| 20:36.27 | phuff | [TK]D-Fender: Our POTS number used to belong to a chinese restaurant so we get a lot of calls in the middle of the night asking for take out |
| 20:37.24 | phuff | [TK]D-Fender: I imagine the fact that it's not just a card in my asterisk box will complicate things slightly, though? |
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| 20:37.30 | [TK]D-Fender | phuff: You could also make an exten in * to black-list the last callerID that called in as "one of THOSE people" to block them at all hours. Perhaps with recording if you feel generous |
| 20:37.43 | [TK]D-Fender | phuff: Not really more complicated |
| 20:38.09 | phuff | [TK]D-Fender: Is there a similar one port FXO/FXS card that I could install that would be just as good? |
| 20:38.23 | phuff | Everything I've seen is like these monster PBX system cards. |
| 20:39.09 | phuff | Of course, the other problem is that I have a low-profile case :) |
| 20:39.19 | [TK]D-Fender | phuff: the SPA-3102 is a fine choice for your needs |
| 20:39.34 | [TK]D-Fender | phuff: For such limited use it will simplify your life. |
| 20:39.56 | [TK]D-Fender | phuff: PCI cards need power, may have hardware compatibility issues, etc.. |
| 20:40.04 | hesco | [TK]D-Fender: so in leaving blank parms, do I write it like this: Read(RESPONSE,,1,,2,3) or like this: Read(RESPONSE,'',1,'',2,3) |
| 20:40.06 | [TK]D-Fender | phuff: So go ahead as planned |
| 20:40.21 | [TK]D-Fender | hesco: no '' chars in there |
| 20:40.26 | hesco | thanks |
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| 20:40.34 | [TK]D-Fender | hesco: * dialplan is not a typed language |
| 20:40.54 | [TK]D-Fender | hesco: just do multiple commas so the value between is blank |
| 20:41.10 | phuff | [TK]D-Fender: When you say need power what do you mean? Like beyond what comes from the motherboard? |
| 20:41.13 | phuff | (I |
| 20:41.23 | phuff | t's really looking like I'll be ordering a SPA3102, just curious) |
| 20:42.21 | [TK]D-Fender | phuYes. The FXS interface on the card (if you're going for equally equipped) will require a molex connector as well which sucks for some systems (often rackmounts) |
| 20:43.16 | phuff | ok |
| 20:43.45 | phuff | [TK]D-Fender: Thanks so much for your help :) |
| 20:43.45 | [TK]D-Fender | phuff: In the meantime, go download & install * (I recommend 1.6.0.10) and start reading THE BOOK |
| 20:43.48 | [TK]D-Fender | ~book |
| 20:43.49 | infobot | [~book] Asterisk: The Future of Telephony 2nd Edition (ISBN 0-596-51048-9) --- Order yours at http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/9780596510480/ --- Free downloadable PDF at http://www.asteriskdocs.org --- HTML at http://astbook.asteriskdocs.org or see ~buybook |
| 20:44.27 | [TK]D-Fender | is off to go jam for a while... |
| 20:44.27 | [TK]D-Fender | BBL |
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| 21:13.08 | ethicx | any good service out there to create a simple menu..I just need smth like: Press 1 for .. Press 2 for.. doesnt even have to be with companies name.. |
| 21:19.14 | hesco | to test for the entry of a star, would I quote the star? like this: exten => 901,n,GoToIf($[ ${RESPONSE} = '*' ]?incorrect_check_amount:), or w/o quotes, like this: exten => 901,n,GoToIf($[ ${RESPONSE} = * ]?incorrect_check_amount:) |
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| 21:54.56 | jblack | ethicx: You can hire allison (who does the comes-with asterisk voices) for a good price. |
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| 22:10.27 | phix | ay |
| 22:10.48 | phix | You can hire me too |
| 22:19.18 | Dovid | hehe |
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| 23:09.18 | EugenMayer | hello. Iam using asterisk on a debian lenny with an AVM firtzcard 2.1 to sip out with ISDN. Currently i really have a bad sound quality on outbound. so what i hear is ok, but the other on the line hears me pretty bad |
| 23:09.36 | EugenMayer | the server is an newer ATOM |
| 23:09.50 | EugenMayer | with 2GB ram and nearly idling all the time |
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| 23:10.46 | EugenMayer | Load avg is 0.1 |
| 23:10.57 | EugenMayer | any ideas what i can tune |
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