| 00:00.11 | Wolfgang38 | ok, about the converting to tiff, that is clear, found examples for that allready |
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| 00:15.34 | KazaLite | hi all.... |
| 00:16.14 | KazaLite | is there any soft phone available for free that can connect to asterisk and can send voice in G.729? |
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| 00:23.10 | kelvl | hi if i have an asterisk server behind a NAT firewall |
| 00:23.26 | kelvl | what can i do to make it accessible and transparent to internet sip clients? |
| 00:23.39 | shido6 | ~nat |
| 00:23.40 | infobot | nat is probably Network Address Translation Usable in Asterisk sip.conf file with externip, localnet, and localmask setup properly. See docs. |
| 00:24.08 | kelvl | shido6: where can i find the docs? |
| 00:24.12 | carrar | KazaLite, g.729 is not free so I dount it |
| 00:24.19 | carrar | xlite pro supports 729 |
| 00:24.41 | carrar | but it's not free |
| 00:25.37 | ArchGT | carrar: ain't 729 for ekiga? |
| 00:26.05 | shido6 | ~sipnat |
| 00:26.06 | infobot | [~sipnat] Quick guide on configuring * + SIP behind NAT : http://www.aocomputing.net/?p=3 , otherwise check the WIKI at http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+SIP+NAT+solutions |
| 00:26.14 | carrar | Please restate that in English |
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| 00:28.44 | ManxPower | Wolfgang38: you need to read the Asterisk book. |
| 00:28.45 | ManxPower | ~book |
| 00:28.46 | infobot | [~book] Asterisk: The Future of Telephony 2nd Edition (ISBN 0-596-51048-9) --- Order yours at http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/9780596510480/ --- Free downloadable PDF at http://www.asteriskdocs.org --- HTML at http://astbook.asteriskdocs.org or see ~buybook |
| 00:28.52 | kelvl | shido6: thank you! |
| 00:29.22 | hardwire | digium g729 and asterisk 1.6.2? |
| 00:29.26 | ManxPower | kelvl: the first link is the best one. Read. It. Carefull. |
| 00:29.32 | hardwire | can I sign up somewhere to get updates to the codec binaries? |
| 00:31.13 | KazaLite | well any implementation of g729 |
| 00:31.49 | KazaLite | though i have to test my own implementation as well |
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| 00:49.00 | ketema | can someone point me in the right direction to get app_nv_faxdetect installed on 1.6 ? or an alternative to detect fax on a SIP channel ? I already have the source for nvfax and placed in the apps directory and edited the Makefile to make it show up in menuselect, but compilation fails with DSP_FEATURE_DIGIT_DETECT undeclared |
| 00:51.02 | russellb | DIGIT_DETECT exists in 1.6.1, but not 1.6.0 |
| 00:55.32 | Tim_Toady | is there any documentation in porting asterisk apps from 1.4 to 1.6? |
| 00:55.55 | Tim_Toady | where i have to look in order to get some info on this (api chages etc) |
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| 01:03.07 | jaytee | Tim_Toady, the file UPGRADE.TXT in the tarball |
| 01:04.14 | jaytee | and UPGRADE-1.4.txt |
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| 01:09.37 | keebler | Kobaz: You said you use your inline amplifier with your PAP2? |
| 01:10.13 | Tim_Toady | it only mentions minor changes n the api (some renamed functions), thats all? |
| 01:10.30 | keebler | I'm not an electrical engineer, but any reason why from the pap2 to the analog phone is getting 50vdc? |
| 01:10.43 | keebler | from a 5vdc/2a plug |
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| 01:14.05 | keebler | I guess I need to figure out what circuit on the phone puts out to the ringer and modify that. I need to get 5vdc from the ringer to the relay that activates the 12vdc circuit. |
| 01:18.09 | [TK]D-Fender | keebler: because the amperage on a telephone line isn't 2A |
| 01:19.44 | rob0 | I bet Tim_Toady wrote some * app[s] in perl. |
| 01:19.52 | Tim_Toady | lol |
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| 01:20.57 | Tim_Toady | reminds me the linux kernel module someone once wrte in perl |
| 01:21.02 | Rob3Rt | anyone here have a linksys WRT54GP2 - it wont auth to my pbx, it seems like a VLAN issue. |
| 01:21.14 | russellb | Tim_Toady: there is a separate document for API changes. |
| 01:21.25 | russellb | Tim_Toady: I _think_ doc/api_changes....odt |
| 01:21.30 | russellb | I don't remember the exact filename |
| 01:21.46 | Tim_Toady | aha found it |
| 01:21.54 | ManxPower | ~answers |
| 01:21.55 | infobot | i guess answers is Asterisk Book: http://astbook.asteriskdocs.org and SIP and NAT: http://www.aocomputing.net/?p=3 and Wiki: http://www.voip-info.org and docs: /path/to/src/asterisk/doc and 1.4 .vs. 1.6: /path/to/src/asterisk/UPGRADE*.txt |
| 01:21.55 | Tim_Toady | thx russellb |
| 01:21.59 | russellb | you're welcome |
| 01:22.15 | ManxPower | there, the answers to %50 of the questions here in one ~factoid |
| 01:22.18 | russellb | that's for 1.4 to 1.6.0, there are additional changes from 1.6.X to 1.6.X+1 |
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| 01:23.33 | ManxPower | russellb: where are those documented? |
| 01:24.15 | russellb | in doxygen |
| 01:24.19 | russellb | so ... *gets link* |
| 01:24.56 | russellb | http://www.asterisk.org/doxygen/trunk/AstAPIChanges.html |
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| 01:26.09 | russellb | or if you start at the main doxygen page, it's the Appendices link, and then under "Asterisk APIs and Interfaces" |
| 01:26.17 | ManxPower | russellb knows everything 8-) |
| 01:27.27 | jaytee | except for n-phase quantum entanglement dimensional displacement |
| 01:27.40 | Qwell | jaytee: he published a paper on the matter |
| 01:27.50 | shido6 | 2 days from now he did |
| 01:27.58 | [TK]D-Fender | decouples jaytee's quarks |
| 01:28.03 | ManxPower | Yestermorrow? |
| 01:28.08 | shido6 | LOL |
| 01:28.14 | shido6 | wow |
| 01:28.19 | shido6 | I love that |
| 01:28.28 | shido6 | thats got to go in the next back 2 the future if they ever do another |
| 01:28.32 | ManxPower | quickly trademarks i |
| 01:28.40 | shido6 | Great Scott |
| 01:28.41 | ManxPower | it |
| 01:28.47 | shido6 | that happpens Yestermorrow! |
| 01:28.56 | shido6 | thats great.. |
| 01:29.23 | jaytee | [TK]D-Fender, did ya get it yet? |
| 01:29.42 | [TK]D-Fender | jaytee: NO. Fucker had a dead unit and I don't buy it that he didn't know... |
| 01:30.29 | [TK]D-Fender | jaytee: It has an internal batter which requires SURGERY to replace... after you find a replacement and buy it. Corrupts internal memory and other fun artifacts.... |
| 01:30.42 | [TK]D-Fender | jaytee: Fortunately I say a vid of this on Youtube prior... |
| 01:30.55 | ManxPower | is as funny has he looks. |
| 01:31.02 | [TK]D-Fender | jaytee: Wasted a hour on the road for that crap |
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| 01:31.38 | jaytee | :-( man, I'm sorry to hear that. I hate getting psyched up for stuff like that only to find out it's an asshole trying to scam me |
| 01:31.42 | [TK]D-Fender | passes ManxPower a "perpetual amusement" hand-held mirror |
| 01:31.50 | ManxPower | Whoo! Whoo! |
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| 01:32.37 | jaytee | especially the hours I have to spend afterwards burning the remains with magnesium, iron powder and steel wool and burying it somewhere. i hate digging. |
| 01:33.18 | [TK]D-Fender | jaytee: Thermite for fun & profit :) |
| 01:33.32 | [TK]D-Fender | is Iron Chef of the "Anarchist's Cookbook" |
| 01:37.56 | box2 | only one chef shall survive |
| 01:41.01 | [TK]D-Fender | box2: FOX turned down my proposal to create "Survivor:Bengali" where instead of playing stupid games and enduring high-school politics its a group of 8 "contestants" on a small tropical island..... with 1 hungry tiger. |
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| 01:41.40 | Rob3Rt | anyone here have a linksys WRT54GP2 - it wont auth to my pbx, it seems like a VLAN issue. |
| 01:41.42 | Rob3Rt | hi all |
| 01:41.57 | keebler | [TK]D-Fender: Well, its what 150ma? |
| 01:42.44 | box2 | [TK]D-Fender: haha i would have definately watched that |
| 01:43.38 | ManxPower | [TK]D-Fender: It sounds just like something Fox News would do. |
| 01:43.55 | keebler | I/V=P right? |
| 01:45.38 | [TK]D-Fender | robNo more people than when you asked 15 minutes ago |
| 01:50.51 | [TK]D-Fender | Rob3Rt: No more people than when you asked 15 minutes ago |
| 01:51.00 | ManxPower | Rob3Rt: I think is is unlikely that an auth issue has to do with VLANs. If you had NO communications between the two devices, then it might be a VLAN issue. |
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| 02:40.19 | Tim_Toady | 1st app ported, it wasnt that hard afre all :P |
| 02:40.37 | Tim_Toady | s/afre/after |
| 02:40.40 | elitedave | SNAP SON |
| 02:50.41 | ManxPower | ~answers |
| 02:50.42 | infobot | it has been said that answers is Asterisk Book: http://astbook.asteriskdocs.org and SIP and NAT: http://www.aocomputing.net/?p=3 and Wiki: http://www.voip-info.org and docs: /path/to/src/asterisk/doc and 1.4 .vs. 1.6: /path/to/src/asterisk/UPGRADE*.txt USE THE SOURCE LUKE! |
| 02:50.58 | jaytee | MUCHO GRANDE!!! |
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| 03:19.57 | ManxPower | "Bolt" or "National Treasure 2"? |
| 03:21.52 | rob0 | Mmmmm, venison! Road-injured-put-out-of-misery-and-into-freezer! Bambi's mom didn't die in vain! |
| 03:22.17 | ManxPower | Bolt it is then |
| 03:22.54 | rob0 | (I do hope poor Bambi was old enough to make it on his own.) |
| 03:25.53 | shido6 | District 9 |
| 03:29.36 | keebler | Awesome movie |
| 03:30.31 | keebler | Going to see Ponyo Sunday. |
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| 04:08.02 | ManxPower | Why is it that the cats are always evil? |
| 04:09.05 | dlynes | It's in their nature |
| 04:09.33 | dlynes | It dates back to ancient Egyptian times, when cats symbolized the evil demigods |
| 04:23.21 | ManxPower | They caught vermin and were worshiped as gods |
| 04:23.38 | ManxPower | They are just misunderstood |
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| 04:25.51 | knctrnl | Good Evening |
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| 05:17.59 | Faiz | is there a way to see if a channel is busy? |
| 05:18.12 | Faiz | like DIALSTATUS for a group |
| 05:22.01 | ManxPower | I would use Dial(Local/exten1@context&Local/Exten2@context&etc) then within each exten => 1, etc do the actual dial and check the status |
| 05:31.35 | Faiz | ah |
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| 06:29.56 | ketema | Hi I've recently been able to install NVfaxdetect and it works, I am also using ReceiveFax app, however i keep getting SIP 513 on my inbound fax tests "Message Too big" has anyone dealt with this before ? asterisk 1.6.1.4 |
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| 07:08.24 | verywiseman | i need good documentation about call queuing in * |
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| 07:51.15 | Rob3Rt | hi all |
| 07:51.19 | Rob3Rt | WRT54GP2-EA |
| 07:51.24 | Rob3Rt | doesnt have on, or similar ? |
| 07:51.27 | Rob3Rt | one* |
| 07:51.46 | jra__ | it has two |
| 07:52.20 | Rob3Rt | you have two wrt54gp2's ? |
| 07:52.57 | Rob3Rt | i cant get the bastard fsx ports registered to my asterisk, it appears to be an internal vlan problem with these units. |
| 07:53.18 | Rob3Rt | Just wondering if anyone knows a workaround, would be considered jesus if u knew :( |
| 07:53.37 | Emrah86 | where is everyone @ asterisk-gui... |
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| 09:57.09 | Rob3Rt | hello |
| 09:57.13 | Rob3Rt | ey, my pbx is only allowing one call through the exetel extension at a time |
| 09:57.23 | Rob3Rt | exetel = voip provider |
| 09:57.27 | Rob3Rt | what gives ? |
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| 10:20.02 | linuxgeek | hi everyone , i am trying a simple xlite configuration , but i get 403 , bad auth |
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| 10:24.47 | albalawi | Asterisk for Arabic |
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| 12:13.31 | tokozedg | hello, is it recomded to use iax2 for clients instead of sip? i use iax2 about 100 users with iax softphones? |
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| 12:19.14 | tokozedg | sr, i dont use iax2 now, i use sip and would it be better to use iax2 |
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| 12:28.30 | Pan3D | box2: hehe |
| 12:28.38 | Pan3D | you are now connected |
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| 12:29.07 | box2 | after scratching my head(s) for a while about it heh |
| 12:29.48 | Pan3D | tokozedg: either will work, do you have a particular problem with what you've been doing until now? |
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| 12:32.17 | box2 | lol3d |
| 12:36.54 | tokozedg | Pan3D: no nothing |
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| 13:40.31 | zeeesh | sleeping ? |
| 13:41.47 | zeeesh | can i realtime jabber.conf and gtalk.conf .. is there any feature or supporting url ? |
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| 13:57.05 | stix | I followed this guide to installing asterisk: http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/CentOS+5.2+and+Asterisk+1.6.x+installation. I have my sip-extensions in the mysql-database. Does this mean, that asterisk loads the extensions directly from the DB and not from sip.conf? |
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| 14:06.03 | rob0 | "[6338:2561170] -A INPUT -s 85.214.96.130/32 -j DROP" this was an attack on my Asterisk. 3518 registration attempts logged in ~40 seconds before I stopped it with that iptables rule. |
| 14:06.36 | rob0 | (a SIP attack bot at a pwn3d Plesk site) |
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| 14:23.07 | stix | anyone here who has created scripts for importing sip-user from a database and into sip.conf? |
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| 14:50.33 | vicTROLLA | stix, I have |
| 14:51.16 | stix | something you are willing to share? |
| 14:51.33 | vicTROLLA | unfortunately I can't |
| 14:51.54 | stix | okay, but nice to know, that you made some :) |
| 14:51.54 | vicTROLLA | however, you may be able to borrow a db schema and a few other things from a PBX distribution |
| 14:51.56 | vicTROLLA | like trixbox |
| 14:52.16 | vicTROLLA | stix, I've implimented this with perls template toolkit |
| 14:52.19 | vicTROLLA | It's only a preference |
| 14:52.24 | stix | okay |
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| 14:54.16 | xa0z | Hi guys, I have a 7940 that I can make call from, and shows is registered udp-nat... but I can't receive calls with it... all calls coming in go to voicemail. |
| 14:54.21 | xa0z | Any idea? |
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| 15:07.07 | shido6 | ~sipnat |
| 15:07.08 | infobot | [~sipnat] Quick guide on configuring * + SIP behind NAT : http://www.aocomputing.net/?p=3 , otherwise check the WIKI at http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+SIP+NAT+solutions |
| 15:07.18 | shido6 | ~answers |
| 15:07.19 | infobot | [answers] Asterisk Book: http://astbook.asteriskdocs.org and SIP and NAT: http://www.aocomputing.net/?p=3 and Wiki: http://www.voip-info.org and docs: /path/to/src/asterisk/doc and 1.4 .vs. 1.6: /path/to/src/asterisk/UPGRADE*.txt USE THE SOURCE LUKE! |
| 15:07.43 | carbocalm | good morning. I want my Asterisk box to forward the incoming calls simultaneously to a local extension and my cellphone. |
| 15:08.08 | [TK]D-Fender | carbocalm: Depends how you reach your cell-phone |
| 15:08.09 | carbocalm | my problem happens when the cellphone is closed, and messagebox kicks right away |
| 15:08.20 | [TK]D-Fender | carbocalm: Yes, there is no way around that. |
| 15:09.08 | [TK]D-Fender | carbocalm: Normally anyway.... |
| 15:10.05 | [TK]D-Fender | carbocalm: You could try to park the call in a fixed lot #, and then initiate 2 call-files to call each device prompt for ACK on it and then point them to the pickup routine |
| 15:10.13 | [TK]D-Fender | carbocalm: but that is nasty... |
| 15:10.31 | carbocalm | currently I am using Dial with both numbers. |
| 15:11.37 | [TK]D-Fender | carbocalm: And as I said that also depend on how you call the cell |
| 15:11.41 | carbocalm | i don't know how to park the call; I'm thinking to call the cell# separately and disconnect it if answers in less than a second |
| 15:12.17 | carbocalm | if cellphone# rings more than 1 sec, I would transfer the call |
| 15:12.30 | [TK]D-Fender | carbocalm: No real way to do that.... |
| 15:12.36 | [TK]D-Fender | carbocalm: answer= answer. |
| 15:13.05 | [TK]D-Fender | carbocalm: Well... MAYBE |
| 15:13.54 | [TK]D-Fender | carbocalm: ok, I can think of a way, but you'd be dialing both simultaneously, and upon cell grabbing in 1 sec you would have to stop ringing the other softphone |
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| 15:15.02 | carbocalm | i think this is over my experience. Is there a good site with real-world asterisk sample snippets ? |
| 15:15.11 | [TK]D-Fender | carbocalm: carbocalm You could do a M() macro. Before the call put the time in a variable or AstDB, then compare in the macro, and treat the call as unanswered and continue to the next step of your dialplan. |
| 15:15.26 | [TK]D-Fender | carbocalm: Crazy stuff like this? No. |
| 15:15.38 | [TK]D-Fender | carbocalm: You simply need to understand the bits. |
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| 15:17.52 | carbocalm | Fender: Is there an advanced Asterisk tutorial you would recommend ? |
| 15:19.00 | [TK]D-Fender | carbocalm: Nope.... like I said you have to go and understand the BITS |
| 15:19.19 | [TK]D-Fender | carbocalm: You aren't going to find people who've gone and done every crazy idea you come up with |
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| 15:20.09 | [TK]D-Fender | carbocalm: So you need to know how Dial works, where its comes short, use some imagination of spawning call-files, using Meetme and parking, and other things. |
| 15:20.15 | [TK]D-Fender | carbocalm: this takes creativity |
| 15:20.28 | [TK]D-Fender | carbocalm: And 8 = programming. |
| 15:20.31 | [TK]D-Fender | * |
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| 15:26.38 | carbocalm | Fender: pls give me some starting points if you have (books, tutorials ) |
| 15:37.25 | [TK]D-Fender | carbocalm: "core show applications" |
| 15:37.31 | [TK]D-Fender | carbocalm: "core show functions" |
| 15:37.50 | [TK]D-Fender | carbocalm: And for some odd bits : |
| 15:37.52 | [TK]D-Fender | ~book |
| 15:37.53 | infobot | [~book] Asterisk: The Future of Telephony 2nd Edition (ISBN 0-596-51048-9) --- Order yours at http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/9780596510480/ --- Free downloadable PDF at http://www.asteriskdocs.org --- HTML at http://astbook.asteriskdocs.org or see ~buybook |
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| 15:46.52 | dymaxion | if i configure a siptrunk with an inbound phone number, so asterix can route it to availalbe extensions in a caller group.... how many concurrent incoming calls can a sip trunk support inbound? is it one call per sip-in number? or down to the ISTP to define ? |
| 15:47.33 | vicTROLLA | depends on how the DID is configured |
| 15:48.10 | vicTROLLA | the issue isn't so much about the sip trunks so much as available channels |
| 15:48.30 | zeeesh | can realtime asterisk supports jabber.conf and gtalk.conf ... ?? |
| 15:48.45 | dymaxion | ok, so to findout how many channels are avilable, is that a question to be directed at the ISTP ? |
| 15:49.14 | shido6 | some providers will sell u a "sip trunk" that has an inbound simultaneous channel l limit |
| 15:49.19 | vicTROLLA | I'm sorry, my acronym knowledge is now great. I'm not sure what ISTP is |
| 15:49.44 | shido6 | u need to find out from your sip provider how many channels your inbound did is configured for today |
| 15:50.02 | shido6 | if it doesnt suite your needs have them change it - which may incur a fee |
| 15:50.11 | vicTROLLA | oh. I'm assuming sip trunk provider |
| 15:50.27 | shido6 | wherever you got your inbound did from |
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| 15:52.10 | dymaxion | thanks. |
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| 15:54.26 | cusco_ | hi |
| 15:55.05 | cusco_ | I guess this question has been asked over and over again but.. |
| 15:55.19 | cusco_ | is there a sofphone, free of charge, supporting g729 codec? |
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| 15:59.18 | xuser | no |
| 15:59.41 | cusco_ | :( |
| 16:00.11 | cusco_ | what is the best lightest codec before g729 ? |
| 16:01.47 | shido6 | u can look for a softphone that uses gsm |
| 16:02.28 | shido6 | give zoiper a try |
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| 16:23.33 | ruben23 | hi anyone have setup xlite for linux as softphones |
| 16:26.34 | jkroon | yes, a long long time ago. |
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| 16:37.46 | jason-h | Trying to install Digium Free Fax on Asterisk 1.60.10 and have gone through the requisite steps. When trying to load res_fax.so and res_fax_digium.so I get undefined symbol errors (undefined symbol: ao2_lock) |
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| 16:59.29 | coppice | use the freer fax for asterisk. it doesn't have that problem :-) |
| 17:04.46 | ruben23 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:05.06 | ruben23 | im having voice quality issues on xlite.. |
| 17:05.10 | jkroon | twinkle is a decent choisce. |
| 17:05.23 | ruben23 | uign codec g711u and g711a |
| 17:05.27 | ruben23 | ok |
| 17:05.35 | ruben23 | i cant fins its home page |
| 17:05.41 | ruben23 | tried google already |
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| 17:10.28 | Naikrovek | anyone know a good home router that can act as a VPN client for a corp network. Ideally it would only allow connections to that VPN from one physical port on back |
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| 17:13.24 | jason-h | coppice: freeer fax? |
| 17:13.31 | jason-h | er..freer fax? |
| 17:13.53 | jason-h | Issue is: I need reliable t38 fax |
| 17:14.22 | coppice | I'm not convinced such a thing exists today :-\ |
| 17:15.09 | jkroon | ruben23, i never did like xlite on linux. |
| 17:16.06 | jason-h | I've heard good things about Fax For Asterisk, but until I can test it.. I should just give in and order a POTS line and drop it to an X100P |
| 17:18.56 | coppice | the engine used in Digium's FAX for Asterisk is the Commetrex one, which is well regarded. Dunno how well the who thing works, though. For many people it hard to get stable timing, and that screws up faxing, whichever option you choose. |
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| 17:27.08 | ManxPower | coppice's spandsp and rxfax has worked great for me (I've only used it with a PRI directly connected to the Asterisk box) |
| 17:28.40 | riddlebox | hrmm that reminds me, does anyone do faxing with Vonage? My brother-in-law has Vonage and he says he faxes 6-8 pages all the time with no problems? |
| 17:28.55 | coppice | define great as a success rate in percent |
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| 17:30.36 | ManxPower | coppice: at least %90 success. We only used it for inbound faxes. Each user had a DID, call comes in, nv_fax_detect was used to detect fax, if it detected a fax, it would run rxfax and e-mail it to the user of the DID. Users were told that if an incoming fax did not work, then to tell the sender to resend to the main fax machine for the office, which was on an analog fax machine on a POTS line |
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| 17:35.59 | coppice | ManxPower: when I look at logs of bad calls from big systems with hundred of channels, they'll typically be loggin 7 or 8% of calls as bad. if its open public access, the number may be much higher, due to lots of wrong numbers, voice calls, etc. Of the 7 or 8% failures on a more closed system, maybe 2% will be a far end FAX machine doing something funky, and the rest will have some issue due... |
| 17:36.01 | coppice | ...to asterisk's audio hiccuping. It depends a lot on the hardware, though. some machine give far less trouble than others. |
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| 17:37.16 | ManxPower | IIRC We had a sangoma card in the box with a tellabs commercial echo canceling system between it and the telco. rx and tx gains were 0 (no need to screw with gains when using a tellabs EC) |
| 17:38.20 | coppice | screwing around with gains on a T1/E1 from the telco is a sin. EC serves no purpose with FAX, and the call startup should disable it |
| 17:38.52 | ManxPower | coppice: I agree, but I've almost always had to screw with the gains to get rid of echo when using the included Asterisk EC. |
| 17:39.53 | coppice | there are various problems with the EC on Digium and sangoma cards. it often screws up DTMF passing through to something like an IVR |
| 17:40.05 | ManxPower | coppice: *nod* |
| 17:40.58 | coppice | i don't know if that's a problem with the EC platforms they use, or how they use them. sangoma made changes at one point that reduced the scale of the problem |
| 17:42.04 | coppice | I keep trying to get recordings of the problem, to try to find what happens, but nobody seems to bother sending them |
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| 18:40.07 | ectospasm | have we totally removed all iaxy related stuff from downloads.*? I seem to have lost iaxyconf, and I'm trying to resurrect it if possible |
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| 18:47.13 | ectospasm | ah, I found it. I needed to locate iaxy not iaxyconf |
| 19:18.49 | ectospasm | woohoo! Blue light on an iaxy makes ecto a happy camper! |
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| 19:19.48 | ectospasm | inbound and outbound calls work with zero reconfiguration other than ip adresses and hostnames. bitrot didn't hit my server while it was down. yay! |
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| 19:29.22 | ManxPower | How about echo? |
| 19:30.28 | ManxPower | That's the most common issue I've heard about with the IAXy. That and issues obtaining an IP address from a server that does not support BOOTP, and lack of DNS. I think they also don't play DTMF, so connecting something must receive DTMF would not work. |
| 19:30.48 | ManxPower | I'm sure some of these thing may have been fixed. |
| 19:34.00 | ectospasm | I dunno, mine seems to work alright wrt DHCP, DNS (well, it doesn't really need it), and DTMF |
| 19:34.07 | ectospasm | I don't have any problems using it |
| 19:34.21 | ectospasm | But problems like that are why Digium is in the process of EOL'ing the IAXy |
| 19:34.55 | ectospasm | it was also plagued by produciton problems |
| 19:35.21 | ectospasm | ...or so I hear |
| 19:35.54 | ManxPower | ectospasm: It sends DTMF to Asterisk just fine, always has. It is receiving DTMF from Asterisk that I've had issue with in the past |
| 19:36.15 | ManxPower | ectospasm: if nothing else the price per port was much higher that most other ATAs |
| 19:36.44 | ectospasm | I'm not arguing against that |
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| 19:37.16 | ectospasm | I haven't really had an issue with sending DTMF to the phone attached to the IAXy, but I don't know that I've actually tried. |
| 19:37.47 | ManxPower | I can't remember if my issues were with the 1st gen or the 2nd gen IAXys |
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| 19:38.22 | ectospasm | Mine is most definitely 2nd gen (even though I got it over two years ago) |
| 19:39.05 | ManxPower | the blue light ones are 2nd gen, IIRC |
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| 19:42.51 | ectospasm | yeah |
| 19:43.07 | ectospasm | that blue light is BRIGHT |
| 19:43.22 | ectospasm | but oh so comforting to see |
| 19:44.40 | shido6 | i have the first gen |
| 19:44.52 | shido6 | still rocks |
| 19:45.38 | ectospasm | I thought a lot of those would warp and burn up |
| 19:45.53 | ectospasm | I guess it all depends on how much it's actually used. |
| 19:47.13 | shido6 | or ambient temps |
| 19:47.24 | ectospasm | probably a combination of factors |
| 19:47.36 | shido6 | mine sits on the floor all day long - use it for the batphone |
| 19:47.47 | ectospasm | heheh, cool |
| 19:47.52 | ectospasm | what does it call? |
| 19:48.15 | shido6 | the pap2tna has quality issues so I replaced it with my old ass digium iaxy i got back from 2002 |
| 19:49.03 | ectospasm | heh, I didn't acknowledge that Digium existed in 2002 |
| 19:49.26 | ectospasm | I think I might have heard of Asterisk, but I wasn't in a position to use it until 2005 |
| 19:49.45 | shido6 | points to the NuFone scars |
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| 19:56.18 | drclue | Anyone here interested in PHP web tools for asterisk? I know there are some out there , but as a web developer of some years I really did not care for what is available , so I've been writing and using my own. Sorta curious as to what folks might desire in such tools |
| 19:56.55 | ectospasm | you mean like a GUI framework on top of Asterisk? Like FreePBX or AsteriskGUI? |
| 19:57.11 | drclue | No , but the tools could be used for such things |
| 19:57.28 | ectospasm | ah, so it's a framework for designing your own GUI |
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| 19:59.01 | drclue | Ya sorta. There is a FastAGI.php that let's one load and run their own scripts by simply mentioning them in the dialplan, and I have a FastAMIevents.php that I'm refining to go with it |
| 20:00.29 | drclue | The FastAMIevents.php uses shared memory and outputs the material in a selectable format PHP Array,XML, or JSONizd XML |
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| 20:02.33 | drclue | The FastAGI.php gives the ad hoc php scripts access to AGI,AMI and if desired a MySql connection |
| 20:03.23 | drclue | Both have init.d scripts so they boot with asterisk |
| 20:04.43 | WindBack | I'm going to install a production asterisk, I want to use 1.6 version. Which of both is more stable: Asterisk 1.6.1.4 or Asterisk 1.6.0.13, and what is the main difference? |
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| 20:06.51 | shido6 | install it on a dev box , set all ur mods up and test before u go into production and you'll know :) |
| 20:07.12 | ectospasm | WindBack: check the Changelogs |
| 20:07.39 | ectospasm | features have been added and others removed between 1.6.0 and 1.6.1 |
| 20:07.49 | WindBack | shido6: I dont have enough time to do that |
| 20:07.59 | ectospasm | WindBack: then you deserve what you get |
| 20:08.05 | shido6 | :/ |
| 20:08.08 | drclue | ROTFLOL |
| 20:08.12 | ectospasm | If you don't plan accordingly |
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| 20:08.19 | ectospasm | ...you're at the mercy of your systems |
| 20:08.28 | WindBack | shido6: If you can share your experience with me it would be useful for me |
| 20:08.31 | ectospasm | If you're looking for feature stability, use 1.4 |
| 20:08.39 | shido6 | www.voipmonks.com |
| 20:08.42 | ectospasm | Unless there's a certain feature of 1.6 that you just gotta have |
| 20:08.48 | shido6 | well what do u want to do? |
| 20:09.02 | shido6 | what will you use the Asterisk toolkit for? |
| 20:10.17 | WindBack | shido6: I dont need any special feature, just as PBX, using a SIP trunk and a T122 board to connect the PSTN |
| 20:10.52 | WindBack | ectospasm: any 1.6 branch is yet stable? |
| 20:11.32 | ectospasm | WindBack: I wouldn't go with 1.6 unless there's a specific feature that you need that's not in 1.4 |
| 20:12.03 | ectospasm | 1.6 has a lot of maturing to do, so if you try to upgrade from 1.6.0 to 1.6.1 or 1.6.2 (or beyond) your configuration may be very broken |
| 20:12.41 | ManxPower | Remember Asterisk isn't actually a PBX. Asterisk is a TOOLKIT that lets you BUILD a PBX. |
| 20:12.44 | ectospasm | It's not guaranteed to be broken, but if you use features that get removed in a later version, you'll have to fix it to get back to 100% working state |
| 20:12.51 | ectospasm | ManxPower: you're right |
| 20:13.13 | ectospasm | If you need a turnkey solution, look at Switchvox or AsteriskNOW |
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| 20:13.32 | shido6 | Switchvox... |
| 20:13.34 | shido6 | Trixbox |
| 20:13.36 | shido6 | Elastix |
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| 20:13.44 | ManxPower | ectospasm: Personally I'd not call any of those a "turnkey solution". |
| 20:13.52 | ManxPower | maybe a "turkey solution" |
| 20:13.54 | ectospasm | Well, Switchvox is |
| 20:13.57 | shido6 | lol |
| 20:14.11 | ectospasm | ManxPower: yeah, but you're used to configuring Asterisk by hand I'm sure |
| 20:14.37 | WindBack | ectospasm: I'm going to do some special things related with agi and CDR connecting to MySQL database. So I wont use any box solution like Trixbox |
| 20:14.42 | ectospasm | Digium will help you set up a TE122 on AsteriskNOW (and Switchvox), part of installation assistance with the card |
| 20:15.00 | ectospasm | WindBack: OK, that makes sense |
| 20:15.16 | shido6 | u could still use trixbox |
| 20:15.21 | shido6 | its up to you.. |
| 20:15.23 | ectospasm | don't use trixbox |
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| 20:15.41 | ManxPower | ectospasm: I think that PBXs are far, far too tied to your actual business needs for "one size fits all" to be "turnkey" |
| 20:15.44 | ectospasm | Trixbox doesn't support DAHDI yet, does it? I dunno |
| 20:15.57 | WindBack | shido6: I had the chance to use Trixbox and I dont reallly like it |
| 20:16.08 | n3hxs | trix are for hookers |
| 20:16.12 | WindBack | shido6: It really dirt your dialplan |
| 20:16.13 | ManxPower | Use whatever you want, but if you use any of the GUIs or pre-built packages or distros don't expect much help from this channel/ |
| 20:16.14 | ectospasm | ManxPower: yeah, but some businesses only need basic functionality, so a one-size-fits-all solution will work |
| 20:16.50 | ectospasm | what you sacrifice with a turnkey solution is flexibility |
| 20:17.02 | ManxPower | ectospasm: there are at least 4 technologies commonly used for connecting to the PSTN. |
| 20:17.12 | ectospasm | ...if the GUI programmers didn't intend for it to work like x,y, or z, it won't. End of story |
| 20:17.13 | WindBack | ectospasm: I totally agree with you |
| 20:17.34 | ectospasm | ManxPower: analog, digital, sip, and iax? |
| 20:17.43 | drclue | I really don't like any of the GUI's nor dialplan files that much |
| 20:17.46 | ManxPower | ectospasm: POTS, CAS, PRI, and SIP |
| 20:17.59 | ectospasm | heh, I guess I'm too Digium-centric |
| 20:18.31 | WindBack | GUIs are is very nice, but you are always lossing flexibility |
| 20:18.34 | ManxPower | analog could be 2-wire analog, 4-wire analog, and on those you can have E&M/Wink, loopstart, groundstart. |
| 20:18.36 | ectospasm | you're right, you can't use IAX directly to connect to the PSTN |
| 20:19.07 | ManxPower | ectospasm: sure you can, I don't think it's all that common. |
| 20:19.53 | ectospasm | ManxPower: the provider eventually bridges it with some other technology to go to the PSTN. I don't know if any of the ILECs do IAX natively |
| 20:20.20 | ManxPower | ectospasm: Correct. |
| 20:20.41 | drmessano^ | Asterisk <> SS7 <> ILEC, handled |
| 20:20.45 | drmessano^ | Nothing but net |
| 20:20.49 | ectospasm | So yeah, from your system's perspective, you use IAX to connect to the PSTN. That's what I do from here |
| 20:20.59 | ectospasm | drmessano^: heheheh |
| 20:21.00 | ManxPower | Heck, even traditional PBXs require significant planning and configureation |
| 20:21.06 | WindBack | Why at this momment there are 2 branches in 1.6?? |
| 20:21.14 | drmessano^ | Soon to be 3 |
| 20:21.19 | ectospasm | WindBack: don't look now, but there's about to be three |
| 20:21.28 | ManxPower | WindBack: read the changes to the release methods and design changes |
| 20:21.33 | drmessano^ | Then 4 |
| 20:21.38 | drmessano^ | Followed by, ..... |
| 20:21.40 | drmessano^ | Wait for it |
| 20:21.42 | drmessano^ | 5 |
| 20:21.56 | ManxPower | Digium announced it all back when 1.6 betas were getting ready to be releases. |
| 20:21.56 | ectospasm | redux my argument that the feature set for 1.6 is still in flux |
| 20:22.03 | drclue | I'm glad I'm hiding out in FastAGI, it don't move around so much |
| 20:22.18 | drmessano^ | ectospasm: Of course it is.. thats the whole POINT |
| 20:22.58 | ectospasm | drmessano^: you can't tell me the feature set of 1.4.25.1 is different than the feature set for 1.4.26.1 |
| 20:23.08 | drmessano^ | No its not |
| 20:23.14 | ectospasm | as I was saying, 1.6 has a lot of maturing |
| 20:23.16 | drmessano^ | Different release cycle |
| 20:23.36 | drmessano^ | 1.6 is maturing as it goes.. thats the idea behind different branches |
| 20:23.47 | ectospasm | Eventually the devs will declare a feature freeze (everything is stable, more or less), and then that's when I'll be suggesting people go with 1.6 |
| 20:23.59 | ectospasm | drmessano^: I'm not disagreeing with you |
| 20:24.11 | drmessano^ | They already are |
| 20:24.17 | drmessano^ | This isnt beta |
| 20:24.21 | drmessano^ | There is no feature freeze |
| 20:24.28 | drmessano^ | The release cycle is INTENTIONAL |
| 20:24.54 | ectospasm | Maybe I'm still in the 1.4 release cycle mentality |
| 20:25.00 | ManxPower | in the past the 2nd point (.2 .4 .0, etc) indicated the major branch. These days it's more than the 3rd point (1.6.1, 1.6.2, etc) indicates the major branch |
| 20:25.06 | drmessano^ | Less time between new features, while supporting branches with a fixed feature set |
| 20:25.24 | ectospasm | Ah, OK |
| 20:25.41 | WindBack | So, at the moment there is any 1.6 to be considered stable? |
| 20:25.53 | drmessano^ | 1.6.0.x and 1.6.1.x |
| 20:25.57 | drmessano^ | Yes |
| 20:26.07 | ManxPower | WindBack: any 1.6.x branch is considered feature stable. |
| 20:26.31 | ectospasm | 1.6.2 is coming, though |
| 20:26.58 | ManxPower | 1.6.0.x will never get new features, 1.6.1.x will never get new features, when 1.6.2.x comes out it will never get new features. |
| 20:26.59 | ectospasm | is it in RC state yet? I don't pay as close attention to the beta/RC release e-mails like I should. |
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| 20:27.10 | drmessano^ | --> /topic |
| 20:27.30 | WindBack | ManxPower: One day I tryied using 1.6.0.1 and I got a core dump using call park feature |
| 20:27.42 | ManxPower | WindBack: And? |
| 20:27.46 | drmessano^ | Thats only 10 months old |
| 20:27.54 | ManxPower | Was that a new feature? |
| 20:28.06 | WindBack | ManxPower: no |
| 20:28.15 | ectospasm | WindBack: did you generate a backtrace and file a bug on issues.asterisk.org? |
| 20:28.15 | drmessano^ | I used 1.4.12 once and it crashed.. I guess 1.4 sucks |
| 20:28.20 | ManxPower | all versions of asterisk are unstable, if you consider "has a bug" to be "unstable" |
| 20:28.39 | WindBack | ManxPower: ok |
| 20:28.53 | elitedave | DONDE |
| 20:29.07 | drmessano^ | Is Ubuntu stable? I tried 6.something once and it came up all funny |
| 20:29.12 | ManxPower | One easy to judge "stability" is look at downloads.digium.com and notice how long it is between bugfix releases |
| 20:29.42 | drmessano^ | The current version has no bugs |
| 20:29.54 | drmessano^ | When the next version comes out, the former current version is buggy |
| 20:30.07 | drmessano^ | Please use the now new version, it has no bugs |
| 20:30.10 | ManxPower | 1.4.x doesn't get bug fix releases very often, 1.6.0.x seems to have fewer fewer bugfix releases. |
| 20:30.38 | ManxPower | Personally I stick with 1.4.x where "x" is a reasonably recent release. |
| 20:31.37 | ManxPower | 1.6 has some REALLY COOL new features, but I just don't like it when the villagers...er...users show up on my doorstep in the middle of the night with pitchforks and torches, screaming "Burn the geek!". |
| 20:31.50 | ManxPower | So I'll stick with what I know works for what I need. |
| 20:32.15 | WindBack | drmessano^: I want to use a 1.6 in my sever production. I just asking you if it is probably to have a lot of problems? I'm not so involved in the asterisk development. Sorry for my ignorance |
| 20:33.10 | ectospasm | WindBack: like I said, unless you have a specific feature in mind that is only in 1.6.x, use the latest 1.4 (currently 1.4.26.1) |
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| 20:33.36 | drmessano^ | The whole idea between 1.6 branches is so if you decide to jump to one, theres a reasonable expectation that some new feature wont tank your box or make you change your dialplan, even in a small way.. Not so much from branch to branch.. The changes between branches wont be MAJOR, but but they wont be MINOR either.. so things can get out in the wild faster, get worked out, and get in use |
| 20:33.40 | Qwell | I'd disagree with that, actually. If it's a new install, absolutely use 1.6 |
| 20:33.50 | WindBack | ectospasm: thanks, you are right, I'm going to use 1.4 branch |
| 20:33.52 | drclue | So far my short life with asterisk has been made a lot easier by minimizing what asterisk has to do and off-loading as much to the FastAGI interface as I can. |
| 20:33.53 | drmessano^ | 1.6 is more stable than 1.4, IMO |
| 20:34.29 | WindBack | drmessano^: what is IMO? |
| 20:34.38 | drmessano^ | In My Opinion |
| 20:35.26 | ectospasm | drclue: that's an implementation decision that not everyone needs to follow |
| 20:35.50 | WindBack | drmessano^: could you explain me why you said 1.6 is more stable than 1.4 |
| 20:36.08 | drclue | Of course not everyone has to do it my or anyone else's way |
| 20:36.08 | ManxPower | I was VERY, VERY skeptical about Digium's new release policy, but I now admit I was wrong. It seems to be working well. |
| 20:36.09 | drmessano^ | Ive heard a lot of stories already about new deployments that started off with 1.4, ended up on 1.6 before production because of speed/feature improvement (not new features, just old ones working better) |
| 20:36.31 | Qwell | WindBack: the release model changed dramatically. new features are tested much sooner than they were before. |
| 20:36.57 | Qwell | plus the massive improvements to certain areas that just can't be backported to 1.4 |
| 20:37.10 | ectospasm | I need to change my habits of giving advice. It wasn't clear to me that the release model was different |
| 20:37.46 | Qwell | Leif made a great blog post about the differences.. lemme see if I can dig it up |
| 20:37.52 | drmessano^ | ectospasm: Only been that way for a year.. cave-out for a while |
| 20:38.02 | ectospasm | cave-out? |
| 20:38.33 | drmessano^ | come out of cave... change state to other than cave-ib |
| 20:38.36 | drmessano^ | come out of cave... change state to other than cave-in |
| 20:38.42 | ectospasm | heheh, OK |
| 20:38.53 | drmessano^ | We have fire now, its pretty hot |
| 20:38.57 | Qwell | http://leifmadsen.wordpress.com/2009/06/06/about-the-new-asterisk-versioning-method/ |
| 20:39.00 | ectospasm | Well, I'll still be supporting 1.4 for the foreseeable future |
| 20:39.13 | WindBack | drmessano^: Qwell: regarding old features. Do you think 1.6.0.x and 1.6.1.x are both the same stability? |
| 20:39.24 | drmessano^ | Hard to say |
| 20:39.28 | Qwell | WindBack: read the above |
| 20:39.29 | ectospasm | at least until AsteriskNOW is based on 1.6 out of the box |
| 20:40.02 | drmessano^ | 1.6.1.x is only as stable as prior release + stability of new 1.6.1.x features |
| 20:41.13 | drmessano^ | based on the stability and progression of 1.6.0.x features, 1.6.1.x has a strong base, but not sure about new issues in 1.6.1.x |
| 20:43.40 | ectospasm | heh, I think I started reading Leif's blog post a while ago, and stopped reading before the juicy parts about 1.6. (-; |
| 20:44.56 | drmessano^ | Thats pretty much the whole post |
| 20:46.38 | ectospasm | drmessano^: no, I quit reading half-way through the discussion of what major version, trunk, branch, and tag meant |
| 20:46.40 | ManxPower | ectospasm: Look! Shiny thing! |
| 20:46.42 | ManxPower | 8-) |
| 20:46.55 | ectospasm | heheh, I don't hide behind the fact that I have ADD |
| 20:48.30 | drmessano^ | No need to hide, we can smell it |
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| 20:50.18 | ManxPower | I usually consider "stable" to be whatever Digium runs on their Corporate PBX (if you can find that information out) |
| 20:51.16 | ManxPower | OT: Can anyone recommend a very minimal distro of Linux to use as a Host OS for VMWare? |
| 20:51.30 | Qwell | ManxPower: Ubuntu server works pretty well for that |
| 20:51.43 | ectospasm | ManxPower: stripped down debian? yeah, Ubuntu Server too |
| 20:51.56 | ManxPower | Thanks |
| 20:52.23 | ManxPower | Ubuntu is what they used at my last job and I'm still in therapy regarding my last job. |
| 20:52.28 | Qwell | assuming you mean vmware-server |
| 20:52.35 | ManxPower | *shudder* |
| 20:52.58 | ManxPower | Qwell: I've not used VMWare since before they had different versions. I think I mean vmware server. |
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| 20:54.57 | Iamnacho | ManxPower: if your only intent of the Host OS is to run VM Guests you could look at ESXi, it's free just like server |
| 20:55.50 | Qwell | ESXi has fairly limited hardware support though, doesn't it? |
| 20:56.03 | ManxPower | Iamnacho: As I understand it ESXi has very limited hardware support. |
| 20:56.17 | ManxPower | (I looked into it about a year ago) |
| 20:56.21 | Iamnacho | yeah it does. I was just saying :) |
| 21:02.56 | WindBack | Qwell: was interesting the article |
| 21:03.20 | WindBack | Qwell: Now I understand a little more |
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| 21:04.44 | ectospasm | WindBack: So, I'd go with 1.6.1 after my attitude adjustment. But you may want to try 1.6.0, it may be more stable for your needs |
| 21:05.30 | WindBack | ectospasm: yes, I agree |
| 21:06.36 | ectospasm | WindBack: just look over the changes files for each, see which one seems better for your needs. |
| 21:07.12 | WindBack | ectospasm: yes, thanks for your advices |
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| 21:40.26 | ManxPower | ~answers |
| 21:40.27 | infobot | hmm... answers is Asterisk Book: http://astbook.asteriskdocs.org and SIP and NAT: http://www.aocomputing.net/?p=3 and Wiki: http://www.voip-info.org and docs: /path/to/src/asterisk/doc and 1.4 .vs. 1.6: /path/to/src/asterisk/UPGRADE*.txt USE THE SOURCE LUKE! |
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| 21:45.56 | tgunr | I download Asterisk 1.4.26.1 and installed on my MacOSX 10.5.8 but when I run asterix -V I see 1.0.7. Is that the expected result? |
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| 21:48.53 | ManxPower | tgunr: no. something is screwed up on your system |
| 21:49.30 | tgunr | ok, good, well at least I know it's wrong :) |
| 21:49.54 | ectospasm | Asterisk isn't officially supported on MacOSX |
| 21:50.36 | tgunr | it compiled fine, will go thru the log and see where it went amuck |
| 21:51.28 | ManxPower | you didn't have a old version laying around did you? |
| 21:52.23 | tgunr | could be, but i thought it installed the binary into /usr/sbin |
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| 22:04.01 | drmessano^ | ectospasm: According to who? |
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| 22:04.18 | ectospasm | ...Digium won't support it on MacOSX, afaik |
| 22:04.40 | drmessano^ | http://www.voip-info.org/tiki-index.php?page=Asterisk%20MacOSX%20Support |
| 22:05.01 | drmessano^ | They dont support it on my WRT54G either, but it works |
| 22:05.16 | ectospasm | I didn't say it didn't work |
| 22:05.24 | ectospasm | Just that it's not officially supported |
| 22:05.29 | ectospasm | there's a difference |
| 22:05.40 | drmessano^ | Do you have a list on what it is officially supported? |
| 22:05.51 | ectospasm | there isn't a list |
| 22:06.03 | ectospasm | ...because it'd be changing too often |
| 22:06.49 | drmessano^ | Are you making stuff up again? |
| 22:06.55 | drmessano^ | I told you about that |
| 22:07.10 | ectospasm | I doubt you'd be able to buy an Open Source Subscription for Asterisk on MacOSX |
| 22:07.15 | ectospasm | But I can check... |
| 22:08.05 | ectospasm | Yeah, OSS isn't supported on MacOSX |
| 22:08.22 | ectospasm | http://www.digium.com/en/supportcenter/asterisk.php |
| 22:08.42 | ectospasm | look at the first footnote |
| 22:10.57 | drmessano^ | Engineering support |
| 22:12.05 | drmessano^ | Older versions of 1.4 and 1.6, as well as 1.2 and 1.0 are covered for technical assistance but do not generally include engineering support. <--- Note the reference to different levels of support |
| 22:12.36 | drmessano^ | I would imagine Engineering support includes OS support |
| 22:13.09 | drmessano^ | http://www.asterisk.org/support/about |
| 22:13.22 | drmessano^ | Supported platforms |
| 22:13.22 | drmessano^ | Asterisk® is primarily developed on GNU/Linux for x/86 and runs on GNU/Linux for PPC along with OpenBSD, FreeBSD, and Mac OS X. Other platforms and standards-based UNIX-like operating systems should be reasonably easy to port for anyone with the time and requisite skill to do so. |
| 22:13.58 | tgunr | woot, asterisk 1.4.26 is now running on my mac :) |
| 22:15.06 | drmessano^ | tgunr: I cant support that sort of behavior |
| 22:15.53 | tgunr | now to dive into the conf files |
| 22:18.08 | ectospasm | drmessano^: I think we're talking about two different things |
| 22:18.20 | drmessano^ | Doubt it |
| 22:18.42 | ectospasm | I'm talking about Digium Support (technical and engineering) for Asterisk, and you're talking about the Asterisk project support |
| 22:18.49 | drmessano^ | No Im not |
| 22:19.00 | drmessano^ | Do NOT tell me what I am talking about |
| 22:19.10 | ectospasm | OK, I must be mistaken |
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| 22:19.33 | drmessano^ | Technical support and engineering support are NOT the same, and they made a clear distinction that only specific platforms get engineering support.. |
| 22:20.58 | ectospasm | I see your distinction, but it's a judgment call for Digium Technical Support's management whether an end-user gets technical support on an issue with Asterisk on MacOSX |
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| 22:21.14 | drmessano^ | According to who? |
| 22:21.21 | joako | Anyone knows how to use a T1 card with Asterisk GUI? |
| 22:21.22 | drmessano^ | Where do you have this information from? |
| 22:21.29 | drmessano^ | Same place you decided 1.6 wasnt stable? |
| 22:21.34 | drmessano^ | Stop making shit up dude |
| 22:21.53 | ectospasm | I think you misunderstand me |
| 22:22.11 | drmessano^ | I dont think we have a communication problem |
| 22:22.24 | drmessano^ | I think youre just wrong, and maybe dont understand that |
| 22:22.35 | ectospasm | I'm saying Digium won't provide direct technical support for Asterisk on MacOSX |
| 22:22.44 | drmessano^ | Show me your source |
| 22:22.49 | ectospasm | I am the source |
| 22:22.56 | ectospasm | I work in Digium technical support! |
| 22:22.58 | tgunr | geez, didn't mean to start up such a commotion! |
| 22:23.01 | ectospasm | there I said it |
| 22:23.32 | ectospasm | tgunr: it's not you |
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| 22:23.53 | drmessano^ | So if you have official information, why are you incredibly uncertain and find the need to cite sources not specifically defining the terms? |
| 22:24.26 | drmessano^ | And if you work in Digium support, how were you so blissfully unaware of the status of 1.6 and the new development cycle? |
| 22:24.38 | drmessano^ | Is digium support really that out of touch? |
| 22:24.46 | ectospasm | Because I didn't read Leif's post in full, originally |
| 22:24.50 | WindBack | ectospasm: A silly question: In asterisk 1.4 when i connect to the consoloe using asteriks -rvvv I got full color console. In version 1.6 I get it without any color highlighting. Do you know how to activate it? |
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| 22:25.11 | ectospasm | WindBack: I had that same problem a while back, I can't remember how I fixed it. |
| 22:25.18 | drmessano^ | What about the 1+ years of blog, forum, and website posts about the new dev cycle? |
| 22:25.30 | ectospasm | drmessano^: we're not required to read any of that |
| 22:25.38 | drmessano^ | .... |
| 22:25.48 | ectospasm | I'm sorry, we're not |
| 22:26.02 | ectospasm | We haven't had any specific training on it. |
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| 22:26.08 | ectospasm | It was just an oversight on my part |
| 22:26.15 | ectospasm | Don't assume all of Digium support is like me |
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| 22:26.17 | ectospasm | heh |
| 22:26.48 | drmessano^ | I dont understand how you can work in digium support and havent tripped over some source on the new cycle on the way to the shitter, the break room, or the janitors closet |
| 22:26.50 | ectospasm | I'm good at what I do, but I come here now and again to learn better |
| 22:27.16 | drmessano^ | Do you sit in a cube all day and tell everyone to reboot? |
| 22:27.49 | ectospasm | No, I've installed 1.6, but what I'd been telling people until today is that 1.6 isn't as stable, feature-wise, than 1.4. So I've been reeducated. You seem to be hung up on the fact that I needed to be. |
| 22:28.35 | ectospasm | I've admitted that I was wrong, and you keep harping on it |
| 22:29.16 | ectospasm | Of course, I don't hang out in this channel as often as I should |
| 22:29.18 | jaytee | it's really hard to find a talented harpist nowadays. most guys just want to learn guitar so they can get laid |
| 22:29.19 | drmessano^ | I'm baffled by the fact you claim to work in Digium support and have so little knowledge of 1.6 and seemed so uncertain of OSX support.. Just fascinating to me. |
| 22:29.56 | ectospasm | Well, we don't provide any OSX support. Period. And most of what we do is support 1.4 |
| 22:30.03 | ectospasm | 1.6 is mostly a new beast still |
| 22:30.06 | jaytee | who is we? |
| 22:30.08 | drmessano^ | I mean, I have NO training on Windows 7, never used it, never LOOKED for info on it, but I cant even click on porn sites and not see something about it |
| 22:30.57 | drmessano^ | Most a new beast? it's almost a year out, and we're just about to hit third branch.. when does it become not-new? |
| 22:30.59 | jaytee | Win 7 RTM is actually quite decent. everything Vista should have been and even more lean and robust |
| 22:31.41 | drmessano^ | jaytee: So ive heard |
| 22:31.48 | ectospasm | drmessano^: heh, it wasn't until about six months ago that we started seeing a drastic slowdown in the number of 1.2 cases |
| 22:32.56 | ectospasm | and IIRC it wasn't until 1.4 was mature (About a year later) that we really started seeing mostly 1.4 cases. 1.6 is following the same pattern. It's not that we _don't_ support 1.6, it's just that we haven't seen it as much, though that is most definitely changing |
| 22:33.14 | Pan3D | ? |
| 22:33.27 | drmessano^ | ectospasm: If youre basing it on support cases, thats a poor metric.. If youre getting that many 1.2 calls, that could be indicative of those who barely got asterisk running, are too scared to upgrade, and need hand holding for every password change. Perhaps 1.6 is on the uptake by the other 80% who dont need it, and have no need to call...? |
| 22:34.12 | ectospasm | drmessano^: that may be true, but support cases is the only metric we have for that |
| 22:34.26 | ectospasm | I mean, it's hard to document the people who don't have problems (-; |
| 22:34.35 | Pan3D | but that's not a metric of the same thing (adoption) |
| 22:34.43 | ectospasm | I never said it was |
| 22:34.44 | drmessano^ | True, but yet you used that poor metric to support your comment |
| 22:34.45 | voxter | ectospasm: ill save you hours of your saturday being lost to pointless frustration. Stop trying to explain yourself to drmessano. Are you familiar with what a troll is? |
| 22:34.55 | drmessano^ | HA |
| 22:35.02 | drmessano^ | I'm far from a troll, voxter |
| 22:35.05 | ectospasm | voxter: wow, what a short circuit |
| 22:35.06 | Pan3D | voxter: shhhh |
| 22:35.10 | Pan3D | ;) |
| 22:35.13 | ectospasm | I could have been at this until I wasted away |
| 22:35.23 | voxter | ectospasm: haha.. Fill your boots, then! |
| 22:37.06 | drmessano^ | voxter: As I have told you before, if you're going to be wrong, at least make a good case for it |
| 22:38.12 | voxter | drmessano^: oooh forgive me. what would we do without your pedantry? |
| 22:38.48 | ectospasm | got a lot of that in here, it seems |
| 22:41.01 | drmessano^ | voxter: I guess they could just listen to you... Seems to me like you've got a reputation elsewhere for teaching with a 15lb mallet, no? |
| 22:43.25 | ectospasm | that's a big mallet |
| 22:45.04 | voxter | drmessano^: umm.. sure? i dont know what you're talking about. Seems to me like you really enjoy hearing yourself talk |
| 22:52.33 | drmessano^ | Of course.. that's gotta be it |
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| 22:56.52 | drclue | Is there a way to detect a voicemail/answering machine beep? I'm working on a calendered messaging service for on-call personnel. Now I figure I can play a brief message into each answered line requesting the staff member to press "1" or something to accept the incoming call, but I want to detect voicemail beeps so as to hangup and hopefully avoid polluting those voicemail boxes with the automated calls. |
| 22:58.12 | ectospasm | drclue: AMD (Answering Machine Detection) may be what you want |
| 22:58.33 | ectospasm | it's an Asterisk application ("core show application AMD") |
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| 23:02.51 | drclue | I've seen that one and it's success / failure rate makes it not my favorite option at the moment. |
| 23:02.52 | drclue | I really sorta want to detect the beep. I'm thinking I could potentially use beep detection to train |
| 23:02.52 | drclue | my automation so that it knew about how long to wait after an answer at a particular number before giving up and assuming the staff member was at another number or out on the beach. |
| 23:06.47 | ManxPower | drclue: as I understand it, the key to successful use of AMD (and the others out there) is tuning the detection parameters) |
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| 23:09.12 | ManxPower | The same person that did nv_fax_detect also did an answering machine detect app, but it seems the source code can be hard to find. |
| 23:09.42 | feld | i used to run asterisk but i've been out of touch with it for a few years. can anyone tell me what they recommend for a very small, low powered asterisk box to put on my home network to connect one land line phone # to the LAN so I can be available ... |
| 23:09.46 | feld | ... via SIP and be able to answer calls on my PC? |
| 23:10.34 | ManxPower | I recommend the SIPura/Linksys/Cisco ATA that has one FXO and 1 FXS and a LAN. You don't want to answer calls on your PC. |
| 23:10.50 | drclue | pbxinaflash recommends a cheap walmart computer |
| 23:11.09 | joako | Anyone knows how to use a T1 card with Asterisk GUI? |
| 23:11.37 | feld | ManxPower: yeah, i do. im gonna use google voice to have my cell and landline together so when i get calls i dont have to take off my headphones :X |
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| 23:24.40 | drclue | OK, I see , nv_fax_detect is using asterisk's dsp.c functions. Not sure if I want to work that hard at that level of asterisk yet, but at least I know it can be done if I had but that kind of time |
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