| 00:00.22 | jgoo | I asked you, what usage of asterisk + phones is enough to not make them overpriced? obviously, talking on them isn't |
| 00:00.47 | drmessano | Me telling you that putting in a PBX and 4 IP phones versus 4-line POTS phones is a waste is not being confrontational either, you just dont seem to like anyones solution if it doesnt involve telling you exactly how to accomplish what it is you decided was the solution to the users need |
| 00:00.54 | jgoo | drmessano, I'll detail what the requirement is, there is an asterisk server there now, and it rings one phone, and they can all pickup those incoming calls with 8 |
| 00:01.03 | drmessano | I spelled it out again |
| 00:02.03 | jgoo | drmessano, no, I am asking you - if you think needing this features obviates the need for asterisk, I asked you, what requirements would you deem sufficient for asterisk |
| 00:02.34 | jgoo | drmessano, and these are two desks amongst 24 desks, with wifi links. why are you over thinking this |
| 00:02.37 | drmessano | Thats too open ended of a question. I gave you an assessment based on the scenario you presented |
| 00:02.52 | drmessano | Im not, I am telling you that YOU are the one overthinking this |
| 00:02.57 | jgoo | why is this one particular requirement of how to handle calls making you get on your high horse and saying the system isn't asterisk worthy, and I should use some walmart phoens? |
| 00:03.06 | drmessano | High horse? |
| 00:03.12 | jgoo | drmessano, I am overthinking it? right, I'll tell them they can't have it then |
| 00:03.31 | drmessano | Maybe you should take a chill pill and come back.. if you want an argument, someone else can give you one.. |
| 00:03.52 | drmessano | sees something shiny in the corner and wanders off |
| 00:03.55 | jgoo | easy, drmessano said, you can't have it. because I am overthinking it. I know. You wanted flashing lights, I could add you to a ring group, and you could pickup the calls (not sure how they would be able to 'ignore' the call, while picking up...) |
| 00:04.05 | jgoo | drmessano, you are doing this because you don't know the answer |
| 00:04.16 | drmessano | That must be it |
| 00:04.18 | jgoo | and you are taking it personally, it is a perfectly cromulent request |
| 00:04.24 | drmessano | I already told you 2 terms to google for |
| 00:04.26 | jgoo | well, take 2 mintues, and read this: |
| 00:04.29 | drmessano | Can you read? |
| 00:04.39 | TJNII | chants "FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!" |
| 00:04.44 | drmessano | Scroll up and quit being such an asshole |
| 00:04.50 | jgoo | ok, BLFs, right, what else? |
| 00:04.53 | drmessano | Nobody likes your idea, but we have you terms |
| 00:05.10 | drmessano | LINE APPEARANCES + BLF |
| 00:05.13 | jgoo | I use BLFs, so you say I should make each incoming line ring... one different extension each? |
| 00:05.20 | drmessano | Want me to google it for you and send the links? |
| 00:05.21 | jgoo | yeah, I am reading on SLAs now |
| 00:05.38 | jgoo | but you are tying me up saying asterisk can't do this, or shouldn't andsomething about dresses |
| 00:06.18 | drmessano | Thats not what I said, and if you are going to repeat what I said, please actually do it ACCURATELY |
| 00:08.01 | jgoo | <drmessano> Asterisk will do what you want it to do, but it will be like putting a 4 yr old boy in a pink dress |
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| 00:08.50 | jgoo | well, in fact... it sounds like something people want on their phone systems (SLA... BLF... all valid features) |
| 00:08.51 | Qwell | jgoo: I call BS on your use of "cromulent" :) |
| 00:08.52 | drmessano | I think I said _CAN_ |
| 00:09.00 | jgoo | Qwell, I thought it embiggened my response |
| 00:09.13 | Qwell | carry on |
| 00:09.23 | jgoo | drmessano, it is either a valid phone feature or not, regardless of the underlying technology |
| 00:09.38 | drmessano | So my assessment that youre an argumentative troll is quite accurate then.. |
| 00:09.45 | drmessano | Good luck to you |
| 00:10.01 | drmessano | This isnt about winning an argument, you pathetic little man, we're trying to help you |
| 00:10.07 | drmessano | No go play |
| 00:10.09 | drmessano | Now* |
| 00:10.21 | jgoo | drmessano, my assessment that you are trying to argue that the client is wrong for wanting to be able to one click answer incoming calls, because it isn't what asterisk should be doing... |
| 00:10.38 | drmessano | That is NOT what I fucking said |
| 00:10.38 | jgoo | drmessano, right, and I was trying to ask you if there was a better way |
| 00:11.17 | jgoo | You said I should use walmart phones... anyway. I am just seeing if there is a better way than ringing a 4 line sip device in this way |
| 00:11.22 | drmessano | I said youre wasting your fucking time using Asterisk when all you want are little line appearances |
| 00:11.28 | drmessano | You cant seem to comprehend english |
| 00:11.38 | jgoo | and if I ring the 4 line si device, or if I use hints/slas, can the user ignore the call and still pickup and call out |
| 00:12.21 | jgoo | drmessano, for fucks sake you dumb ignorant shit. did I say that is all I wanted? and then I asked you, aside from line appearances, what do you consider asterisk worthy - but you ignored this |
| 00:12.36 | drmessano | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_telephone_system |
| 00:12.39 | drmessano | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ |
| 00:12.40 | jgoo | I am bridging two offices with IAX2, and I have a lot of stuff |
| 00:12.56 | drmessano | I didnt ignore it, I addressed it |
| 00:12.57 | jgoo | but, inside this system, you twerp, they want two people to be able to quickly answer and put on hold incoming calls |
| 00:12.58 | drmessano | Shall I paste? |
| 00:13.02 | jgoo | so stop being an arrogant little shithead |
| 00:13.07 | drmessano | Moi? |
| 00:13.11 | jgoo | yeah ;-) |
| 00:13.24 | drmessano | [20:03] <drmessano> Thats too open ended of a question. I gave you an assessment based on the scenario you presented |
| 00:13.31 | drmessano | Still cant read, Mr Magoo |
| 00:13.37 | drmessano | Time for new glasses |
| 00:13.47 | jgoo | I am telling you, from all the things they need, they need two people to do this particular thing, rather than say no, I am trying to do it, you say 'its stupid, and not worth using asterisk'... well we are fucking already using asterisk. |
| 00:14.13 | jgoo | drmessano, let me re-present my scenario, and see if you can think of a better way, I'll be brief |
| 00:14.19 | drmessano | Great, i'm glad it's working then |
| 00:14.28 | drmessano | Im not interested in hearing it again |
| 00:14.33 | drmessano | I gave you the terms to look for |
| 00:14.46 | jgoo | I am looking at SLA. anyway, you are a funny troll |
| 00:14.47 | drmessano | It should be QUITE clear if youre such a guru |
| 00:14.57 | jgoo | drmessano, you have a real issue with assumed authority |
| 00:15.03 | drmessano | You have proven quite well that you are the troll |
| 00:15.15 | drmessano | But I applaud your argument |
| 00:15.20 | jgoo | however I think I can beat seven shades of shit out of your with my awe inspiring lexical dexterity |
| 00:16.02 | jgoo | and my native english tongue, which not only towers above your limited capacity for communication, but has changed the world outlook of many a sexually exporative teen |
| 00:16.08 | jgoo | soeaking of which, I have to go see someone soon |
| 00:16.12 | jgoo | pffft. this was fun though |
| 00:16.17 | drmessano | Considering I gave you the info you needed and assessed the project, for which you have thanked me with name calling and escalation to being argumentative, I think its obvious |
| 00:16.17 | jgoo | drmessano++ |
| 00:16.35 | jgoo | drmessano, why were you talking about walmart and pink dresses then? |
| 00:16.38 | drmessano | So cheers to you |
| 00:16.56 | jgoo | and focussed on the fact that one little issue I wanted wasn't "asterisk worthy" - weird... aaanyway. its Thursday |
| 00:16.56 | drmessano | Good luck with the info I gave you, Mr McTroll |
| 00:17.04 | jgoo | I could never get the hang of Thursdays |
| 00:17.11 | drmessano | Bye bye now :) |
| 00:17.16 | drmessano | Just make your exit |
| 00:17.24 | leifmadsen | ok, this conversation has obviously degraded into a waste of time. Please stop, both of you. |
| 00:17.27 | drmessano | Go for the funny quit message, we LOVE that |
| 00:17.53 | jgoo | Actually it was leifmadsen and TJNII that gave me SLA and hints |
| 00:17.59 | drmessano | leifmadsen: I wasnt aware it was ever something other than a waste of time |
| 00:19.03 | drmessano | leifmadsen: I was trying to fill the quiet time between Wheel Of Fortune and Jeopardy.. :( |
| 00:19.13 | leifmadsen | heh |
| 00:19.44 | drmessano | takes off his troll stomping shoes and goes back to his Trixbox install |
| 00:20.41 | jgoo | That... explains it all. Just to conclude, drmessano > since it was at the top of my irc scroll now, even at the end of the conversation you were trying to tell me that my query was invalid, which was the whole issue I had with you - my query isn't invalid, it is what the customer wants, and I am just trying to make the best way of implementing it, if it is trivial or not (to work exactly how they want) is irrelevant. anyway: drmessano> I said |
| 00:20.41 | jgoo | youre wasting your fucking time using Asterisk when all you want are little line appearances |
| 00:20.50 | jgoo | but now, I take my leave |
| 00:21.20 | drmessano | Why do people never disappoint me? |
| 00:23.08 | Naikrovek | sounds to me like they always do |
| 00:25.40 | drmessano | No, if you read what Nugget posted earlier, thats pretty typical |
| 00:26.17 | drmessano | This is what I want to do, if you offer me an opinion, or alternatives, go fuck yourself, I just want to know how to do this. |
| 00:27.26 | drmessano | Which is associated with Post Asterisk Installatoon Disorder.. that comes from installing Asterisk staring at a blank vi/nano screen and screaming until your IRC client connects |
| 00:27.41 | Naikrovek | my history doesn't go back that far |
| 00:28.56 | drmessano | Its impossible to help someone who is already in the mood for a fight |
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| 00:29.07 | Naikrovek | anyone know of a good example of the switch statement in extensions.conf. I have two sites and I need to route incoming calls from one to the other, but right now if a caller enters an extension for site B while calling site A, they get an error that no such extension exists |
| 00:29.07 | drmessano | Of course, they wont tell you thats the case |
| 00:29.35 | shido6 | thats probably true Naikrovek |
| 00:29.42 | shido6 | check the credentials |
| 00:29.46 | shido6 | on the calling system |
| 00:29.53 | shido6 | then check the called systems credentials and context |
| 00:30.16 | Naikrovek | no, the sites can call each other, but the IVR on one system doesn't know about the extensions at the other site |
| 00:30.16 | drmessano | I've never found a good example of switch |
| 00:30.33 | shido6 | well how could they? |
| 00:30.42 | drmessano | Only looked at it once, and it couldnt understand it |
| 00:30.44 | Naikrovek | with a switch statement. i just need an example |
| 00:30.47 | Naikrovek | a decent one |
| 00:30.49 | shido6 | unless they share the exntensions.conf via mysql/realtime |
| 00:31.23 | TJNII | Naikrovek: Why do you need a switch? Won't a pattern match work? |
| 00:31.47 | TJNII | Heck, the dialplan basically is a giant switch statement..... |
| 00:32.29 | Naikrovek | i thought a pattern would work, but apparently not. the IVR at site A doesn't know at all about any extensions at site B, despite the IAX2 trunk connecting them |
| 00:32.54 | LiNeTuX | Naikrovek: I think what you're looking for is DUNDi |
| 00:32.54 | Naikrovek | so, from site A i can dial a site B extension, and my dialplan sends it to site B, but when you call in via the IVR, it doesn't work |
| 00:32.59 | TJNII | Well, no it wouldn't. |
| 00:33.13 | Naikrovek | TJNII: yeah I need a good example of the switch statement |
| 00:34.20 | TJNII | So the IVR on A and enter an extension for B it doesn't work, correct? Is this IVR just programmed in the dialplan or are you doing something fancy? |
| 00:34.21 | Naikrovek | this is what the switch statement is for |
| 00:34.31 | Naikrovek | nothing fancy |
| 00:36.08 | TJNII | Okay, then I don't understand why a pattern match in the IVR context that tries the extension through the IAX trunk won't work. I've set up a similar setup this sway and it worked fine. |
| 00:36.38 | Naikrovek | maybe it will work, but mine isn't working. I'm only asking because I'm not at work anymore trying things |
| 00:36.39 | TJNII | Don't get me wrong, if you're hell bent on a switch I don't care, I'm just curious why that wouldn't work. |
| 00:36.44 | Naikrovek | I thought maybe someone had done this |
| 00:37.51 | Naikrovek | today i fixed a huge issue with the network that was blocking all calls between my sites, so i accomplished enough today |
| 00:38.28 | Naikrovek | at a certain number of calls, my ASA device would flag my * server as an attacker and block all traffic to/from it. |
| 00:38.37 | Naikrovek | it would auto_shun the server for 5 minutes |
| 00:38.41 | Naikrovek | or whatever the term is |
| 00:38.42 | TJNII | Nice. |
| 00:38.44 | Naikrovek | yeah |
| 00:38.54 | TJNII | Bet that was fun to track down. |
| 00:39.05 | Naikrovek | terrible nightmare to diagnose because some phones would continue to work, while some were UNAVAILABLE in show sip peers |
| 00:39.07 | shido6 | thats what the ASA does |
| 00:39.22 | Naikrovek | i know but it should know that the inside and dmz interfaces should be whitelisted |
| 00:39.27 | Naikrovek | it didn't know, so I told it. |
| 00:39.33 | Naikrovek | well maybe not dmz |
| 00:39.36 | Naikrovek | but inside, definitely |
| 00:39.42 | shido6 | nope u have to give it troubleshooting lube specifically designed for asterisk |
| 00:40.04 | Naikrovek | yeah i did that today - there was talk of dropping * altogether until I fixed it. |
| 00:40.23 | Naikrovek | i was watching FOP when I whitelisted the networks, too. about 20 phones came online within about 3 seconds |
| 00:41.12 | SaiSoma | naik, mind if i ask what command you used? |
| 00:41.17 | Naikrovek | on the asa? |
| 00:41.20 | SaiSoma | yuppers |
| 00:41.29 | SaiSoma | or using asdm maybe? |
| 00:41.35 | Naikrovek | did it via cmdline |
| 00:41.55 | Naikrovek | added whitelist though ASDM, but un-shunned the networks after with IOS |
| 00:41.55 | SaiSoma | rgr. i have a 5510 and will be likely hitting this same situation in a month or so |
| 00:42.27 | Naikrovek | was 'show ip shun' or something like that, then 'ip shun remove ip/mask' or something similar |
| 00:42.28 | LiNeTuX | Just don't turn on the 'auto' features of the ASA |
| 00:42.33 | SaiSoma | rgr. i can probably figure it out, awesome |
| 00:42.40 | LiNeTuX | They're not good. You need the IDS/IPS crap for that. |
| 00:43.07 | SaiSoma | i have the IDS licensing, not using it right now. was going to after haloween, when we have a break so i can teast |
| 00:43.09 | SaiSoma | test* |
| 00:43.16 | LiNeTuX | No, not the license. The add-in card. |
| 00:43.36 | SaiSoma | *nod* |
| 00:43.40 | Naikrovek | ah |
| 00:44.07 | Kobaz | how would i get a ringall queue to re-ring an inactive member quicker |
| 00:44.19 | LiNeTuX | With Cisco, their "freebies" usually cause more pain than anything else - the solution? "Buy" the "real" version. |
| 00:45.23 | Naikrovek | my life has been a lot easier since i got the Security Plus license for my ASA |
| 00:47.01 | Naikrovek | we had a bunch of servers that straddled the public and private networks. and of course my predecessor had it all configured wrong so the ASA wasn't even in the path from internet and servers |
| 00:47.12 | Naikrovek | so all the packet filtering and firewalling he had set up on it did nothing |
| 00:47.18 | LiNeTuX | heh |
| 00:47.23 | SaiSoma | wow |
| 00:47.36 | LiNeTuX | another rule w/Cisco: If you think you need product "A", but the next one up. |
| 00:47.43 | Naikrovek | that's reasonable |
| 00:47.43 | LiNeTuX | but - buy |
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| 00:47.54 | Naikrovek | cisco are sneaky buggers that way |
| 00:47.57 | LiNeTuX | You'll end up using it. |
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| 00:48.25 | LiNeTuX | I have a couple of 5510's - now I discover they'd do a great job at the core of the network - but only if they're 5540's. |
| 00:48.26 | LiNeTuX | ugh. |
| 00:48.27 | Naikrovek | you'll think solution A will serve you, then you develop it and it's just slightly not enough, so double the cost and only 1.2x the functionality |
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| 00:48.59 | Naikrovek | we're small enough that an ASA at each site has been enough |
| 00:49.20 | Naikrovek | damn near fail-proof VPN, and outside the stupid auto shun thing I fixed today, no issues at all |
| 00:49.30 | LiNeTuX | i love the ASA's. I have 5505's at all the remote sites... great little devices. But if you want real thoughput, you have to use the big boxes. |
| 00:49.59 | Naikrovek | we only have a T1 & E1 |
| 00:50.12 | Naikrovek | we desperately need to upgrade our T1 |
| 00:50.29 | Naikrovek | and get off of G.711 - that alone uses half our bandwidth, easily |
| 00:50.35 | LiNeTuX | ASA doesn't do so well for routing, tho. |
| 00:50.42 | Naikrovek | no, but I have a router for that |
| 00:50.50 | LiNeTuX | bingo. more $$$ :) |
| 00:51.08 | LiNeTuX | it's not like they *couldn't* make an all-in-one... they just *don't*... |
| 00:51.20 | Naikrovek | well ASAs can't terminate T1s. maybe if I can get some real broadband in there I can just use the ASA |
| 00:51.47 | Naikrovek | cable -> modem -> ethernet -> ASA |
| 00:51.53 | LiNeTuX | depends on the situation. i have one site that i have to route my own IP block... can't do that with an ASA, even tho it's ethernet |
| 00:52.06 | Naikrovek | good point |
| 00:52.19 | LiNeTuX | but i have an ASA here at my house. |
| 00:52.22 | Naikrovek | nice |
| 00:52.29 | LiNeTuX | works great for clients |
| 00:52.40 | Naikrovek | I need one at home too for a perma-vpn to work |
| 00:52.42 | LiNeTuX | i can just setup a vpn tunnel and it's dead simple to troubleshoot |
| 00:52.44 | Naikrovek | I do a lot of work here. |
| 00:52.59 | LiNeTuX | and oh yeah, NO NAT! |
| 00:53.04 | Naikrovek | hehe |
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| 00:54.16 | Naikrovek | yeah, an ASA would be a useful addition to my home network. |
| 00:54.42 | Naikrovek | I *just* got a gigabit switch at work though, except for the already full BladeCenter switch |
| 00:54.46 | LiNeTuX | i just wish they did traffic shaping well... my damn m0n0wall does a better job |
| 00:54.53 | Naikrovek | so finally have PoE to my phone and gig-e to my desk |
| 00:55.08 | LiNeTuX | heh. gig is such a waste on phones ;) |
| 00:55.14 | Naikrovek | not gig to the phone |
| 00:55.20 | LiNeTuX | i know |
| 00:55.20 | Naikrovek | just 100mbit poe |
| 00:55.22 | LiNeTuX | just saying |
| 00:55.25 | Naikrovek | yeh it would be |
| 00:55.46 | LiNeTuX | i watch the traffic on our voip switches - i don't think the entire 48 ports has ever used more than like 2M |
| 00:55.47 | Naikrovek | that sucker better have HD video conferencing to need gig-e |
| 00:55.54 | Naikrovek | yeah probably not |
| 00:56.03 | Naikrovek | do you use poe? |
| 00:56.06 | LiNeTuX | yeah |
| 00:56.14 | Naikrovek | what brand switch |
| 00:56.17 | LiNeTuX | hp |
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| 00:56.21 | Naikrovek | work well? |
| 00:56.34 | LiNeTuX | perfectly. and they come w/a lifetime warranty |
| 00:56.38 | Naikrovek | nice |
| 00:56.43 | LiNeTuX | that's what makes it worth it |
| 00:57.38 | LiNeTuX | i found these really cool other switches, too... they're linksys - they take PoE on port 1 to power the switch - then you can VLAN the other ports. so no wall wart needed if you need a small switch on the other end. |
| 00:57.47 | Naikrovek | i showed my boss today that a PoE switch would cost less than the same number of poly power cubes and he blew his lid. last guy told him the opposite |
| 00:58.00 | Naikrovek | ooh poe swithc |
| 00:58.07 | Naikrovek | switch* that's a neat idea |
| 00:58.42 | Naikrovek | I think my tiny-wee gig-e switch does that too. one of the ports is labeled PoE but I just assumed that it provided PoE |
| 00:58.44 | SaiSoma | naik, those hp switches work with NAC? |
| 00:58.45 | Naikrovek | maybe it does |
| 00:58.55 | LiNeTuX | SaiSoma: yes |
| 00:59.08 | Naikrovek | what's nac |
| 00:59.15 | SaiSoma | network access control |
| 00:59.15 | LiNeTuX | port control |
| 00:59.19 | Naikrovek | ah |
| 00:59.35 | SaiSoma | we're going to start prepping for a nac solution this fall |
| 00:59.36 | LiNeTuX | 802.1x |
| 00:59.40 | SaiSoma | implementation for spring i hope |
| 00:59.58 | LiNeTuX | I'm looking at Cisco's ACS (I think that's the name of it) |
| 01:00.04 | coppice | you don't find if a switch is any good for VoIP until you try it |
| 01:00.13 | SaiSoma | i have to go free (open source likely) |
| 01:00.16 | Naikrovek | what would make a switch bad for voip? |
| 01:00.31 | SaiSoma | one that didn't support qos |
| 01:00.31 | Naikrovek | other than ports that stop working all the time |
| 01:00.36 | LiNeTuX | Some don't play nice with multiple VLANs |
| 01:00.42 | SaiSoma | that oo |
| 01:00.44 | SaiSoma | *too |
| 01:00.54 | coppice | a lot of them are designed to handle a flow of big packets really well, but a flood of tiny packets makes them choke |
| 01:00.54 | LiNeTuX | (ie, one port for the phone, one for the computer on diff. VLANs) |
| 01:01.04 | Naikrovek | coppice: ah i see |
| 01:01.42 | Naikrovek | my switch is a cisco so i think it'll be fine. I will need to research which PoE switch I get though |
| 01:01.49 | Naikrovek | I haven't implemented VLANs yet |
| 01:02.04 | LiNeTuX | VLANs are a must if you're doing NAC |
| 01:02.10 | SaiSoma | ohhh . man . .vlans are worth the effort |
| 01:02.24 | Naikrovek | my predecessor got it working then did very little for 3 years |
| 01:02.27 | KyleK | whats the smallest switch with vlan support? |
| 01:02.38 | SaiSoma | smallest, as in number of ports? |
| 01:02.41 | KyleK | yea |
| 01:02.43 | SaiSoma | you can get two port wall switches |
| 01:02.44 | LiNeTuX | 5 |
| 01:02.50 | Naikrovek | now I'm doing all the infrastructure upgrades and all. was a shock because for the past 3-4 years I've been a J2EE developer |
| 01:02.52 | LiNeTuX | oh yeah |
| 01:03.47 | Naikrovek | going from Java to Cisco/Microsoft/Linux/Cabling/Desktop Support/heavy lifting guy/other has been very weird |
| 01:04.21 | drmessano | Programming to Sunlight? |
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| 01:06.37 | LiNeTuX | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833124257 <- 1G 5port that can run off PoE |
| 01:08.17 | TJNII | Gigabit and POE? ooooohhhh. |
| 01:08.40 | TJNII | adds to wishlist |
| 01:09.49 | LiNeTuX | that's PoE as in it TAKE PoE to power it. Not power ports. |
| 01:10.10 | TJNII | Oh, you're right. Still nifty, though. |
| 01:10.32 | LiNeTuX | I love them for places in the office where I have to put multiple VLANS out of one port |
| 01:10.47 | TJNII | Yea, now that I think about it you can't do PoE and gigabit. (afaik) |
| 01:10.56 | LiNeTuX | sure you can |
| 01:11.05 | LiNeTuX | you just don't need to with phones ;) |
| 01:11.07 | KyleK | LiNeTuX: have you been having better luck than the third review? |
| 01:11.09 | Nivex | how? gigE uses all pairs |
| 01:11.14 | TJNII | Doesn't gigbit use all 4 pairs? |
| 01:11.24 | KyleK | there is two ways to do PoE |
| 01:11.25 | TJNII | And doesn't PoE use the unused pairs in 100M |
| 01:11.32 | KyleK | on the datalines and on the other pairs |
| 01:12.02 | LiNeTuX | KyleK: We've put out 8 of 'em without issue |
| 01:12.54 | LiNeTuX | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833316013&Tpk=3500yl <- 1G w/PoE |
| 01:12.56 | drmessano | Theres 2 ways to do PoE, everyone else's, and Cisco's |
| 01:13.22 | TJNII | Hah. That's telecom for you. |
| 01:15.49 | Naikrovek | drmessano: well all new cisco devices are IEEE PoE compliant |
| 01:16.47 | Naikrovek | and oddly, the spec doesn't specify polarity as i recall |
| 01:17.20 | Naikrovek | AND :) you can put power on the data pairs, no problem |
| 01:17.33 | LiNeTuX | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_over_ethernet |
| 01:17.47 | Naikrovek | you just strip that power off before you try to pull data out of the wire. like it never happened |
| 01:18.05 | Naikrovek | wonders how much bandwidth a freenode server uses |
| 01:19.01 | drmessano | DC isolation isn't a problem, standardization is |
| 01:19.32 | Naikrovek | standardization isn't a problem, because all manufacturers comply now. |
| 01:19.38 | Naikrovek | only old (old) cisco devices don't |
| 01:19.52 | Naikrovek | new cisco devices comply with their old spec and the IEEE spec |
| 01:23.15 | drmessano | You act like no one has old Cisco crap humming away behind ceiling tiles, waiting.. |
| 01:24.14 | drmessano | You haven't lived til you crawled in the ceiling and discovered mystery Cisco gear |
| 01:24.18 | Naikrovek | well that's like saying that GM doesn't make cars that use unleaded gas because there are still GM cars that use leaded gas on the roads |
| 01:24.40 | Naikrovek | I've discovered plenty |
| 01:24.55 | Naikrovek | and yes it's quite the "joy" when one finds that kind of thing |
| 01:25.25 | Naikrovek | you think you've got your network map all correct, then you discover someone with a 48port switch wedged between their desk and the wall serving half the floor |
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| 01:26.47 | drmessano | or a mystery 5 port switch under someones desk.. You unplug every damn jumper in the switch and their NIC is still lit |
| 01:26.52 | drmessano | NO EFFIN WAY |
| 01:27.06 | drmessano | in the closet switch* |
| 01:28.16 | LiNeTuX | reminds me of the story about the novell box that got drywalled into a space and kept on going for years |
| 01:28.31 | KavanS | I think everyone knows that story |
| 01:28.32 | KavanS | heh |
| 01:28.36 | KavanS | I wonder if it's real |
| 01:28.39 | KavanS | and if there are pictures... |
| 01:29.42 | Naikrovek | wouldn't surprise me a bit if pictures showed up |
| 01:29.48 | Naikrovek | far weirder things have happened |
| 01:31.07 | drmessano | I have a pic of a Novell box that was pulled in the middle of a room during a remodel, and left powered |
| 01:31.24 | drmessano | It was mostly out of service, but they wanted to keep it running |
| 01:31.30 | drmessano | I think it had 6 years uptime |
| 01:31.36 | Naikrovek | whoa |
| 01:32.13 | drmessano | I fucked up and accidentally powered off a Novell 5.1 box that had 2.5 years uptime |
| 01:32.16 | drmessano | I felt so bad |
| 01:32.17 | drmessano | :( |
| 01:32.34 | Naikrovek | i once used a network wall jack to feed a wireless AP in the ceiling, then reused the wall jack for console |
| 01:32.54 | Naikrovek | so i'd plug into the wall jack with cisco adapter cable and get console on the device |
| 01:33.09 | Naikrovek | then i forgot about it and after a few desk moves forgot all about it. |
| 01:33.15 | Naikrovek | then i re-found the AP |
| 01:33.26 | Naikrovek | "ohhhh yeahhhhhhh... awesome." |
| 01:33.30 | drmessano | heh |
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| 03:23.21 | jplank | anyone notice when using app_page, with a lot of endpoints (20+) the " paging party's " phone beeps before any of the other phones answer |
| 03:24.03 | jplank | It looks like it just beeps as soon as it sends out all the invites, well before they are even ACKd let alone OKd |
| 03:24.22 | jplank | any way to delay that beep? |
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| 03:32.56 | [TK]D-Fender | jplank: Code out the beep and implement your own |
| 03:33.14 | [TK]D-Fender | jplank: And yes this is a general issue. Everyone is thrown into one immediately active MeetMe for it |
| 03:35.35 | manxpower | or replace the beep with silence + beep |
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| 03:57.34 | matt_d | hello everyone |
| 03:58.07 | matt_d | errr .. brb |
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| 04:30.37 | matt_d | dr |
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| 04:34.07 | matt_d | okay. im back for real this time :) |
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| 04:54.22 | shido6 | back for a while this time matt_d ? |
| 04:55.37 | matt_d | shido6: thats the plan.. hehe |
| 04:55.51 | matt_d | shido6: screen kept closing on me for some reason ... |
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| 06:04.54 | lordmortis | Question: I have an IAX client (Loudhush) behind a NAT'ing router, and I need to connect to an asterisk server on the other side of that router - how do I do this? |
| 06:04.59 | lordmortis | (i can see my packets are getting to the Asterisk server, but i'm evidently not getting the replies as my client claims it's not connecting) |
| 06:05.22 | lordmortis | (am running asterisk 1.6.1.4) |
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| 06:12.32 | shido6 | u can forward port 4569 |
| 06:12.35 | shido6 | on ther router |
| 06:12.41 | shido6 | to the internal ip of yoru ast box |
| 06:12.54 | shido6 | then point your iax stuff to the public ip of the other router |
| 06:15.15 | lordmortis | my asterisk box is actually on the internet :) |
| 06:15.31 | lordmortis | so it goes iax client <-> Router <-> Asterisk box (this is the internet) |
| 06:15.45 | lordmortis | so should i forward UDP 4569 on router -> iax client? |
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| 07:07.32 | folls | asterisknow or pbx_in_a_flash? for a quick taste test (im a noob) or any other suggestions... |
| 07:10.10 | manxpower | only forward if the asterisk box is behind nat |
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| 07:15.47 | lordmortis | okay, figured out what the problem is |
| 07:15.53 | lordmortis | wasn't related to asterisk and firewalling rules |
| 07:15.59 | lordmortis | was because of multiple interfaces etc |
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| 07:16.53 | merlin8282 | Is it possible that mISDN isn't compatible with my QuadBRI PCI, or am I doing something wrong ? The LED's are keeping blinking red :/ |
| 07:17.03 | Kumba_ | If a call comes into a context on channel IAX2/sometrunk/12345, is there a variable to give me the sometrunk part of the channel? |
| 07:18.06 | merlin8282 | And when I'm doing /etc/init.d/misdn-init stop or start or restart, it segfaults... |
| 07:20.21 | tamiel | Kumba_: probably using CUT() |
| 07:21.43 | Kumba_ | doesn't dahdi use "DAHDI" as the channel-type? |
| 07:22.09 | merlin8282 | Kumba_: it can also be "Zap", depending on your configuration |
| 07:22.33 | Kumba_ | Right, but ZAP, SIP, and IAX are all 3 chars, is the dahdi channel type 3 characters too? |
| 07:23.22 | merlin8282 | Never used it for now, but I assume it's "DAHDI", 5 chars. |
| 07:24.00 | tzafrir_laptop | Kumba_, core show channelstypes |
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| 07:31.43 | tamiel | Kumba_: for iax, channel name is 4 chars : IAX2 |
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| 08:22.07 | kaldemar | Kumba_: ${CUT(CHANNEL,/,1)} |
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| 08:50.01 | alunca | I have a "exited non-zero on 'SIP/ ...." please help! |
| 08:50.15 | alunca | I cannot call out, nor receive call in |
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| 08:57.10 | kaldemar | alunca: that tells nothing. pastebin a call attempt with full verbosity and sip debug. |
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| 09:21.29 | frk2 | more fun with cisco phones |
| 09:21.49 | frk2 | any body to help me out with my (guaranteed) weird issue with the cisco 7911G? |
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| 09:59.08 | mchou | frk2: wanna know what the weird issue is first.... :) |
| 09:59.43 | frk2 | mchou, you ready? |
| 09:59.53 | mchou | lol |
| 10:00.03 | mchou | dont keep me waiting man |
| 10:00.11 | box2 | HE'S TALKING TO ALIENS, MAN |
| 10:00.34 | mchou | box2: you calling me an alien? |
| 10:00.51 | mchou | box2: I resemble that remark |
| 10:00.59 | box2 | ... y....no.... 0_0 |
| 10:01.02 | frk2 | okay. my cisco 7911G phones when dialing randomly stop to dial |
| 10:01.14 | frk2 | box2, i found out what the issue is though |
| 10:01.21 | frk2 | here is the SIP session: |
| 10:01.27 | frk2 | 1. Cisco - > INVITE -> Asterisk |
| 10:01.35 | frk2 | 2. Asterisk -> PROXY AUTH REQ -> Cisco |
| 10:01.55 | frk2 | 3. Cisco goes bye bye. it responds but asterisk never receives the message. |
| 10:02.04 | frk2 | I can fix the issue by the following: |
| 10:02.53 | frk2 | 1. Leave the sip friend 'secret' blank - asterisk doesnt respond with a proxy auth and the phones are happy |
| 10:03.07 | frk2 | also - if I mess around with the sip 'realm' setting in sip.conf, the phones magically get happy |
| 10:03.15 | frk2 | depending on the 'length' of the realm feild |
| 10:03.16 | mchou | bah |
| 10:03.24 | frk2 | cisco has some messed up issues with its sip stack |
| 10:03.30 | frk2 | no other IP phone has this problem |
| 10:03.35 | mchou | I'm not so sure |
| 10:03.40 | box2 | and it's only those 150 phones huh? |
| 10:03.49 | alrs | <- no fan of Cisco phones |
| 10:03.52 | mchou | I think you messed up asterisk config |
| 10:03.54 | frk2 | box2, no it actually happens all over |
| 10:04.06 | frk2 | but the frequency is controlled by the length of the number the dudes are dialing |
| 10:04.25 | frk2 | apparently the 150 dudes all dial over 7 digit numbers- which the cisco doesnt like unless i mess around with the sip REALM setting |
| 10:04.36 | mchou | let's check out the stanza for one of your cisco phones in sip.conf |
| 10:04.57 | frk2 | mchou, im not a newbie :) its just a standard phone config like any other phone |
| 10:05.01 | mchou | I've encountered this b4 |
| 10:05.09 | frk2 | mchou, really? what did you do? |
| 10:05.13 | box2 | i'm a newbie :( |
| 10:05.22 | mchou | but offhand I cant remember what I did to fix it |
| 10:05.29 | frk2 | with a cisco phone? |
| 10:05.31 | mchou | one line chane |
| 10:05.36 | mchou | change* |
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| 10:06.38 | mchou | basically you gotta tell asterisk to append realm or some such in sip dialog |
| 10:07.13 | mchou | forgets what the keyword for that was in sip.conf |
| 10:07.31 | frk2 | mchou, yes |
| 10:07.42 | frk2 | there is a realm setting |
| 10:07.47 | mchou | ahh, it might be from-domain |
| 10:07.52 | mchou | iirc |
| 10:08.00 | frk2 | oh are you serious |
| 10:08.09 | frk2 | what did you set from-domain to? |
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| 10:08.58 | mchou | I dunno, whatever the configed asterisk domain was at the time |
| 10:09.11 | frk2 | oh |
| 10:09.13 | frk2 | fromdomain? |
| 10:09.23 | frk2 | in sip.conf? |
| 10:09.35 | mchou | which aint necessarily the network domain :) |
| 10:09.43 | frk2 | i realize |
| 10:09.47 | frk2 | but that only works with non-peers |
| 10:09.55 | mchou | indeed |
| 10:10.30 | frk2 | i see the light |
| 10:10.31 | mchou | go figure :) |
| 10:10.31 | frk2 | :) |
| 10:12.54 | mchou | * works in mysterious ways |
| 10:13.21 | mchou | I sear at * more than I do phone sip stacks |
| 10:13.28 | mchou | swear* |
| 10:20.16 | frk2 | yeah |
| 10:20.16 | frk2 | * can be gay sometimes |
| 10:20.16 | frk2 | but hey - beats the shit out of cisco and nortel in price :P |
| 10:20.18 | mchou | well, nortel is on firah sale |
| 10:20.44 | mchou | craigslist going crazy over here on equipment |
| 10:20.52 | mchou | nortel* |
| 10:21.01 | mchou | some really CRAZY deals |
| 10:21.41 | mchou | they're virtually paying peple to take it away :) |
| 10:22.04 | merlin8282 | Can't mISDN be removed (deinstalled) ? |
| 10:26.05 | kaldemar | misdn or chan_misdn or? be more specific. |
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| 10:27.59 | garymc | Hi, can anyone tell me how many phone calls i can have at any one time using an asterisk setup with an ISDN 2e connection? |
| 10:28.56 | kaldemar | you can have two lines |
| 10:30.09 | garymc | so how many clals can i have at any one time? |
| 10:30.13 | garymc | *calls |
| 10:30.15 | merlin8282 | kaldemar: both. Maybe chan_misdn can be removed by recompiling asterisk ? |
| 10:31.16 | kaldemar | merlin8282: you don't have to recompile asterisk to get rid of chan_misdn. just disable the module in asterisk's modules.conf with "noload => chan_misdn.so". |
| 10:31.40 | merlin8282 | yes right, I forgot this solution >< |
| 10:32.04 | kaldemar | garymc: depends on the calls. you have two lines. if a call comes in on one line and goes out the other, it's one. if an incoming call goes out of asterisk some other way, it's two. |
| 10:32.32 | merlin8282 | the problem is that I want to use dahdi for my QuadBRI card, not mISDN anymore. |
| 10:32.47 | garymc | see , i thought i could have about 20 phone lines using asterisk, and they could all be on calls at once |
| 10:32.49 | garymc | ??? |
| 10:33.02 | garymc | Am i not with it? |
| 10:33.22 | garymc | using my isdn connecting straight into my asterisk server |
| 10:33.27 | garymc | but i need a BRI card? |
| 10:33.30 | kaldemar | merlin8282: what is the problem then? |
| 10:33.35 | garymc | so is this not correct? |
| 10:34.08 | kaldemar | garymc: sure you can have 20 lines in asterisk, but not with a single BRI. |
| 10:34.24 | merlin8282 | kaldemar: the problem is that misdn doesn't work (crashes when trying to use misdn-init), so I want to remove it completely. In the source tree a make uninstall doesn't do it. |
| 10:34.30 | garymc | well, how will i find out what i need and what i can do?? |
| 10:34.50 | garymc | I was gonna have two isdn lines connecting in |
| 10:34.57 | kaldemar | garymc: a single BRI gives you 2 channels. a PRI gives you 24 or 30 channels for example. |
| 10:35.10 | garymc | im in uk, dont think we have PRI |
| 10:35.31 | garymc | can i use a PRI instead? |
| 10:35.43 | kaldemar | garymc: yes you do have PRI's in UK. |
| 10:36.08 | garymc | so what incoming line service do i need?> |
| 10:36.17 | garymc | where are you ? out of intrest? |
| 10:37.02 | kaldemar | i'm in europe also, but not UK. ask your telco for a service that suits your needs. |
| 10:37.19 | garymc | right |
| 10:37.47 | garymc | im with BT |
| 10:39.41 | kaldemar | merlin8282: if you have misdn in your kernel, just let it be and don't use it. but by all means disable it in asterisk. |
| 10:40.29 | merlin8282 | Ok. It's not in kernel (2.6.26-2.686). |
| 10:41.37 | merlin8282 | How would I do a manual uninstall ? Simply remove the mISDN_*.ko and depmod ? |
| 10:42.08 | kaldemar | merlin8282: if the makefiles uninstall target doesn't really uninstall it, do a "make -n install" to see all the commands that install ran. then you get an idea what it really installed. |
| 10:42.34 | merlin8282 | oh ok. Thanks. |
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| 11:04.13 | garymc | right im in a complete confusing dilema, iv ejust phone my Telecoms company, after getting passed around to about 4 diff departments, nobody seems to know anything accept that ISDN 30e is PRI |
| 11:04.46 | garymc | now thats £44 per channel per quarter and i must have a minumum of 8 channels costing me £300 odd per Quarter |
| 11:05.16 | garymc | So with 8 channel ISDN how many concurent calls incoming and outgoing can i have at any one time? |
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| 11:05.50 | garymc | or does anyone know where i can go to find out what i need, as my telecoms company seem to know jack shit |
| 11:06.30 | kaldemar | one call per channel. isn't that quite obvious? so get 4 BRI's or a partial PRI if the telco offers such. |
| 11:07.49 | garymc | ok my problem is other people have told me with the asterisk system i can have loads and loads of concurretn calls? |
| 11:07.56 | garymc | using the voip setup etc |
| 11:08.14 | kaldemar | yes. the problem? |
| 11:08.44 | garymc | so im totaly confused |
| 11:09.07 | kaldemar | ISDN hardware and channels have nothing to do with VoIP calls. |
| 11:09.08 | garymc | I thought you could have more than one concurrent call with this asterisk voip stuff |
| 11:09.14 | garymc | ok |
| 11:09.34 | garymc | so ............ do i just connect my server to the internet and i can have loads of concurrent calls? |
| 11:10.17 | kaldemar | yes. the real amount of calls depends on your hardware and your connection to the internet. |
| 11:10.36 | garymc | ok then how do people call my business? |
| 11:10.52 | kaldemar | if you want to make calls to PSTN, then you either buy hardware that you can interface PSTN with or use an ITSP. |
| 11:11.47 | kaldemar | with VoIP, you give them a URI to call you, and if you're connected to PSTN, a phone number. |
| 11:12.19 | garymc | wow |
| 11:12.39 | garymc | i sorta know what your saying but......... |
| 11:12.46 | garymc | i feell stupid |
| 11:12.48 | garymc | feel |
| 11:13.34 | garymc | how do i know if im connected to pstn? |
| 11:13.49 | garymc | or how do i connect my asterisk box to my PSTN |
| 11:14.36 | garymc | ok, ill tell eyou what i have, and what i need ( ithink) |
| 11:15.06 | garymc | I have ISDN2e coming in and normal phones recieving calls. Currently through BT versatility |
| 11:15.18 | garymc | I have a Asterisk Server Rack setup |
| 11:15.25 | garymc | with no PRI card etc fitted yet |
| 11:15.57 | garymc | I want to have a mini call centre of about 8 to 10 people taking calls from a certain phone number, say 08008888888 |
| 11:16.13 | garymc | I want to record these calls too |
| 11:16.33 | garymc | what do i need to get this underway with a high quality call |
| 11:16.33 | kaldemar | i already told you how to connect to PSTN. |
| 11:16.50 | miloux | I have two sites, one with an asterisk server connected to a public ip, so no NAT. I then have a tunnel to another site with an internal net 192.168.0.1, that tunnel works fine. But when phones at the tunnel register, they still register with the |
| 11:17.11 | miloux | with the external gateway ip |
| 11:17.15 | miloux | for that site |
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| 12:06.53 | alunca | Hello, I need help! which website should I post the code to? |
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| 12:07.32 | TSM2 | pastebin |
| 12:07.36 | TSM2 | google, there are a few |
| 12:07.45 | TSM2 | pastebin.com |
| 12:08.51 | alunca | http://pastebin.com/m720f7931 |
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| 12:09.37 | alunca | I cannot dial out nor accept phone call; when I call out, it will bring my phone after a while, and when I call directly to my sipgate #, it said that it is busy ... |
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| 12:17.13 | alunca | help help! anyone? |
| 12:18.34 | SuPrSluG | alunca: what is the issue? |
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