IRC log for #asterisk on 20090929

`00:07.15`	`*** join/#asterisk manxpower (n=EWIELING@24.42.221.26)`
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`00:28.33`	`Alfio`	`hi`
`00:28.59`	`manxpower`	`~as`
`00:28.59`	`infobot`	`from memory, as is the tranny. so swapping to a v8 and t5 doesn't add as much weight as you'd expect.`
`00:29.00`	`Alfio`	`i wanna know if i can use this switch with linksys voip phone`
`00:29.01`	`manxpower`	`~ask`
`00:29.02`	`infobot`	`Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will.`
`00:29.04`	`Alfio`	`http://cgi.ebay.com/AVAYA-P333T-PWR-STACKABLE-24-PORT-POE-SWITCH-NEW_W0QQitemZ120455807698QQcmdZViewItemQQptZCOMP_EN_Routers?hash=item1c0bb9c2d2&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14`
`00:29.41`	`manxpower`	`Alfio: If it is SIP it should work. All Linksys phones that I know are SIP.`
`00:30.04`	`Alfio`	`manxpower i mean the PoE`
`00:30.06`	`ian6`	`I suspect he means for PoE`
`00:30.12`	`ian6`	`which would pretty much make this totally the wrong place to ask.`
`00:30.13`	`Alfio`	`if this will be ok`
`00:30.33`	`manxpower`	`Ethernet switch, not phone switch`
`00:30.48`	`manxpower`	`Alfio: you would have to ask the switch vendor or Linksys`
`00:31.06`	`Alfio`	`y wanna know if someone here has an experience with that equipment`
`00:31.34`	`manxpower`	`There are only 236 people here.`
`00:31.53`	`manxpower`	`You might try asking on the mailing list. There's at least 10,000 people there.`
`00:31.59`	`Alfio`	`ok`
`00:32.04`	`manxpower`	`~mailinglist`
`00:32.05`	`infobot`	`[~mailinglist] The Asterisk mailing lists can be found at http://lists.digium.com , http://www.asteriskguru.com/archives Search the archives by adding "site:lists.digium.com" to your Google search.`
`00:32.05`	`Alfio`	`thx for your help`
`00:32.18`	`Alfio`	`~thanks`
`00:32.18`	`infobot`	`Alfio: gern geschehen`
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`01:03.48`	`Naikrovek`	`holy cow Amazon EC2 is awesome`
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`01:04.25`	`johnakabean`	`what's wrong with this? Gotoif($["${CONFIRM}" = "1"]?1,3:2,1)`
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`01:08.25`	`johnakabean`	`nevermind, I didn't know the variables were case sensitive`
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`01:09.05`	`scalex000`	`hello`
`01:09.42`	`ChannelZ`	`ohell`
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`01:16.04`	`johnakabean`	`using the playback command, how do you allow someone to skip the message?`
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`01:16.30`	`johnakabean`	`playback(soundfile,allowskip)?`
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`01:24.52`	`p3nguin`	`You could simply use the Background() command instead.`
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`01:55.05`	`p3nguin`	`johnakabean: That will accept DTMF while it's playing, where Playback doesn't.`
`02:08.12`	`*** join/#asterisk paultech (i=paultech@66.103.132.86)`
`02:08.34`	`paultech`	`Just upgraded to 1.6, Using AEL2. MACRO_EXTEN seems to have become blank`
`02:08.39`	`paultech`	`Anyway to reproduce the old behavior?`
`02:10.59`	`*** join/#asterisk sponger (n=sponger@72.253.229.210)`
`02:16.05`	`johnakabean`	`penguin, how do I check for a null string?`
`02:16.22`	`johnakabean`	`like Gotoif callerid is empty`
`02:16.35`	`johnakabean`	`I know the syntax I but do I just put = "" ?`
`02:16.47`	`johnakabean`	`or do I put = null?`
`02:17.37`	`sponger`	`<PROTECTED>`
`02:17.48`	`sponger`	`from voipinfo`
`02:17.57`	`sponger`	`http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+Expressions#NullStrings`
`02:19.16`	`paultech`	`Anyone have any ideas?`
`02:20.48`	`sponger`	`?`
`02:26.45`	`johnakabean`	`I chose another route but what is wrong with this? GoToIf($[${LEN(${CIDNUM})} < 10]1,3:1,7)`
`02:27.15`	`TJNII`	`fixed his amp :)`
`02:29.34`	`sponger`	`${CALLERID(num)}`
`02:29.42`	`johnakabean`	`sponger, that's a variable`
`02:29.49`	`sponger`	`right`
`02:29.53`	`johnakabean`	`no no no`
`02:29.58`	`johnakabean`	`cidnum is a variable of MINE`
`02:30.03`	`sponger`	`oh`
`02:30.19`	`sponger`	`whats in that variable?`
`02:30.28`	`sponger`	`can you NOOP the variable to see that somethings in it?`
`02:30.42`	`johnakabean`	`the cid number that someone using the system enters to change their caller id`
`02:30.49`	`paultech`	`Just upgraded to 1.6, Using AEL2. MACRO_EXTEN contains no data. I had to pass ${EXTEN} to the macro`
`02:30.57`	`paultech`	`Any ideas why thats missing?`
`02:31.26`	`johnakabean`	`I know that something is in it sponger; the dial plan works perfect`
`02:31.33`	`johnakabean`	`I'm just trying to pose security on it`
`02:32.09`	`sponger`	`= "" is for a null my bad`
`02:32.18`	`johnakabean`	`like if no one enters a caller id number then it will set the CIDNUM empty and it will show up on the callee's phone as unknown name and unknown number`
`02:33.10`	`johnakabean`	`I allow my customers to spoof their callerid number but not the name`
`02:33.22`	`johnakabean`	`and I'm not allowing them to use my system to place unknown calls`
`02:33.23`	`paultech`	`cat UPGRADE.* \| grep MACRO_EXTEN -i doesn't mention MACRO_EXTEN`
`02:33.25`	`_ShrikE`	`johnakabean: missing ? te ]`
`02:33.28`	`paultech`	`but its all of a sudden.. empty`
`02:33.31`	`_ShrikE`	`after the`
`02:33.48`	`johnakabean`	`i see`
`02:33.53`	`johnakabean`	`i am missing the operand`
`02:33.54`	`johnakabean`	`lol`
`02:34.07`	`johnakabean`	`I log everything`
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`02:34.22`	`johnakabean`	`they have to use their pin numbers and I use noop frequently`
`02:34.49`	`johnakabean`	`if I have the fbi or something they called spoof get in touch with me, that's their account`
`02:35.07`	`sponger`	`:)`
`02:35.46`	`johnakabean`	`12 people are on the system now`
`02:36.01`	`johnakabean`	`28 channels; they love party lining`
`02:36.20`	`johnakabean`	`I have it where they can transfer placed calls to people as a gift to their friends`
`02:36.24`	`johnakabean`	`it eats their minutes`
`02:36.57`	`sponger`	`hehe`
`02:37.16`	`johnakabean`	`everything they do except access the system eats their minutes`
`02:37.17`	`sponger`	`yu gotta move alot of minutes to make $`
`02:37.36`	`johnakabean`	`the transfer feature charges a 3 cents connect fee`
`02:38.03`	`sponger`	`how many minutes are you doing a month?`
`02:38.07`	`johnakabean`	`the party lines increase each per minute a penny subsequently`
`02:38.18`	`sircolin`	`lol`
`02:38.27`	`johnakabean`	`like the initial line is the regular rate, the second line is 2 cents a minute, the 3rd line is 3 cents and so on`
`02:38.49`	`johnakabean`	`I go through 759 minutes a day`
`02:38.56`	`sircolin`	`good idea`
`02:38.57`	`johnakabean`	`its increasing rapidly`
`02:39.22`	`johnakabean`	`if the second line hangs up, I have it where the third line goes to the second line's rate`
`02:39.28`	`johnakabean`	`and so on`
`02:39.34`	`sponger`	`you gotta rack up the minutes`
`02:39.55`	`johnakabean`	`i'm very fair though with the rates`
`02:40.08`	`johnakabean`	`most providers would increase all the lines per minute rates`
`02:40.14`	`johnakabean`	`with party lines`
`02:40.34`	`johnakabean`	`i have only 70 channels of outbound`
`02:40.46`	`johnakabean`	`on the highest load so far it only uses 50`
`02:41.04`	`sircolin`	`what spec is your machine ?`
`02:41.10`	`sponger`	`thats a lot of channels for the minutes you moving`
`02:41.17`	`johnakabean`	`core 2 quad E6600 CEntos 64 bit`
`02:41.22`	`johnakabean`	`2 gigs ram`
`02:41.23`	`sponger`	`you must be sitting idle a lot`
`02:41.51`	`johnakabean`	`I got my own subnet from ARIN`
`02:41.55`	`johnakabean`	`only 10 ip's`
`02:42.10`	`johnakabean`	`99 percent qos with 1 ms jitter`
`02:42.18`	`g-ram`	`johnakabean`
`02:42.22`	`g-ram`	`what'd that ARIN block cost?`
`02:42.28`	`johnakabean`	`40 a month`
`02:42.37`	`g-ram`	`not bad`
`02:43.10`	`sponger`	`are you sending you calls via SIP out over via several PRI's how do you get 70?`
`02:43.45`	`johnakabean`	`voicepulse only allows 4 channels per account so I signed up for multiple accounts using multiple prepaid credit cards`
`02:43.54`	`sponger`	`ohhh`
`02:43.56`	`sponger`	`dang`
`02:44.02`	`sponger`	`you know there are better ways to do that`
`02:44.13`	`johnakabean`	`its ridiculous to charge 20 bucks for each additional 4 channels`
`02:44.19`	`sponger`	`what are you buying your minutes for?`
`02:44.26`	`johnakabean`	`its a hassle, sponger, but it doesn't cost me any more`
`02:44.33`	`g-ram`	`johnakabean -- I thought it was $20 PER additional channel`
`02:44.39`	`g-ram`	`got a quote from them recently`
`02:44.40`	`sponger`	`unlimited`
`02:44.41`	`sponger`	`?`
`02:44.41`	`g-ram`	`that part turned me off`
`02:44.43`	`johnakabean`	`that could be it`
`02:44.47`	`johnakabean`	`g-ram`
`02:44.52`	`g-ram`	`yep; it's a shit deal`
`02:44.54`	`sponger`	`i send A LOT of calls out`
`02:44.58`	`sponger`	`via sip and i use flowroute`
`02:45.16`	`g-ram`	`sponger: flowroute's plans seem fairly nice`
`02:45.22`	`johnakabean`	`I had a GE auto generator installed 6 months ago`
`02:45.28`	`g-ram`	`but I've heard a few bad things about reliability`
`02:45.29`	`sponger`	`i met the guy at astricon last yer`
`02:45.43`	`johnakabean`	`the power went out today`
`02:45.51`	`johnakabean`	`I was on generator for 4 hours`
`02:45.52`	`sponger`	`well im moving a decent amount of minutes via them and i have no issues at all`
`02:46.06`	`g-ram`	`that's good to hear`
`02:46.20`	`sponger`	`i push between 50k-75k minutes out via them a month`
`02:46.27`	`johnakabean`	`I had an issue with voicepulse - 105 ms ping`
`02:46.36`	`johnakabean`	`I just switched servers`
`02:46.37`	`sponger`	`its only for certain routes`
`02:46.41`	`sponger`	`but its been really good`
`02:46.47`	`sponger`	`we have tried other with FAIL as ther result`
`02:47.14`	`johnakabean`	`I'm going to charge 2 cents a minute to spoof caller id`
`02:47.27`	`g-ram`	`that's funny`
`02:47.34`	`johnakabean`	`voicepulse only charges me .001 cents a minute`
`02:47.44`	`g-ram`	`it'll probably sell`
`02:47.55`	`sponger`	`is that .001 for term or orig?`
`02:47.57`	`johnakabean`	`I don't allow them to change their caller id name`
`02:48.03`	`johnakabean`	`I just pass it along from their phone`
`02:48.24`	`johnakabean`	`I dont' use voicepulse for incoming sponger`
`02:48.42`	`johnakabean`	`I have broadvoice for incoming`
`02:48.47`	`johnakabean`	`unlimited`
`02:48.49`	`sponger`	`and your paying only .001 for TERM?`
`02:48.55`	`johnakabean`	`yeah`
`02:49.09`	`sponger`	`is that some special plan?`
`02:49.23`	`johnakabean`	`i put 25 bucks on the main account and it lasts 4 days`
`02:49.50`	`johnakabean`	`its wholesale`
`02:50.09`	`florz`	`it would have to last some ten years, though ...`
`02:50.12`	`sponger`	`how do you get that rate?`
`02:50.27`	`johnakabean`	`I just signed up as an asterisk termination user`
`02:50.38`	`sponger`	`as low as`
`02:50.39`	`sponger`	`$0.015/min`
`02:50.42`	`sponger`	`thast what the site says`
`02:50.47`	`sponger`	`thats WAY different that .001`
`02:50.55`	`johnakabean`	`that's not what three of my account portals say`
`02:51.09`	`johnakabean`	`I have spent over 10000 dollars on them and made like 40 this year`
`02:51.37`	`sponger`	`40K or just 40?`
`02:51.40`	`johnakabean`	`40 k`
`02:51.54`	`johnakabean`	`I became disabled in february`
`02:52.04`	`johnakabean`	`that's when I started looking into alternatives for money`
`02:52.12`	`johnakabean`	`I put phone cards in the local stores`
`02:52.14`	`sponger`	`i dont understand how you are doing that number with < 1000 minutes a day`
`02:52.34`	`johnakabean`	`I have accounts for regular people too`
`02:52.44`	`johnakabean`	`they pay 30 a month`
`02:52.47`	`johnakabean`	`for long distance`
`02:52.55`	`sponger`	`i dont sell by the minute but i am intriguied by people tha do`
`02:53.00`	`johnakabean`	`and a did of their own to a mailbox/email/pager`
`02:53.09`	`g-ram`	`you can still get $30/mo for long distance?`
`02:53.16`	`sponger`	`yeah`
`02:53.19`	`sponger`	`thats crazy`
`02:53.29`	`g-ram`	`you must have some unsophistocated customers!`
`02:53.35`	`sponger`	`i have to give my LD away`
`02:53.36`	`johnakabean`	`the people that buy the accounts get a mailbox, UNLIMITED calls`
`02:53.40`	`sponger`	`as a sellingpoint`
`02:53.42`	`johnakabean`	`no per minute`
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`02:53.50`	`levy`	`I saw an ad in an apartment... $100 pre pay monthly for local calling ONLY`
`02:53.59`	`johnakabean`	`lol`
`02:54.12`	`levy`	`for people with no credit right`
`02:54.16`	`johnakabean`	`Well maybe this will explain things, sponger.......this is a rural area where high speed is not available`
`02:54.34`	`johnakabean`	`people are either stuck paying verizon/sprint 70 a month for local and long distance NO FEATURES`
`02:54.39`	`johnakabean`	`or me`
`02:54.44`	`sponger`	`thats crazy`
`02:54.54`	`sponger`	`dang and i live in the middle of nowhere and i get 7 meg dsl`
`02:54.58`	`g-ram`	`sounds like you found a niche`
`02:54.58`	`sponger`	`where are you?`
`02:55.03`	`johnakabean`	`Virginia`
`02:55.06`	`sponger`	`yeah seriously`
`02:55.07`	`johnakabean`	`do a whois on my ip`
`02:55.14`	`g-ram`	`I grew up in VA`
`02:55.16`	`g-ram`	`where in VA?`
`02:55.24`	`sponger`	`@johnakabean.... lazy sorry`
`02:55.25`	`johnakabean`	`hour and a half below richmond`
`02:55.46`	`sponger`	`shit an no high speed`
`02:55.47`	`johnakabean`	`I have a T1 with verizon but verizon would only give me 1 static`
`02:55.47`	`g-ram`	`hmmm. . . that would put you. . . right on the NC border?`
`02:55.50`	`johnakabean`	`so I consulted ARIN`
`02:55.56`	`johnakabean`	`close, ram`
`02:56.10`	`johnakabean`	`I"m 10 minutes from virgilina`
`02:56.19`	`scalex000`	`hello, anybody know which file I need to access to change asterisk default sound, I want to change from english to spanisk`
`02:56.37`	`johnakabean`	`just rename the spanish folder to english and vice versa`
`02:56.38`	`johnakabean`	`:)`
`02:56.54`	`knctrnl`	`I have a digium TE121 connected to Nortel option 61C. All I can get is a yellow alarm.`
`02:56.59`	`knctrnl`	`could this be miswiring?`
`02:57.28`	`knctrnl`	`this is a new setup and my first time with PRI`
`02:58.33`	`sircolin`	`better ask the landlady`
`02:58.49`	`sircolin`	`lol sorry wrong window :-(`
`02:59.15`	`knctrnl`	`my cable is 1-4 2-5 4-1 5-2`
`03:00.26`	`*** part/#asterisk trentster (n=marks@d58-110-225-234.sun6.vic.optusnet.com.au)`
`03:05.37`	`johnakabean`	`is this right? ${CALLERID(name)}`
`03:05.45`	`johnakabean`	`for the variable?`
`03:06.54`	`sponger`	`yes`
`03:07.04`	`sponger`	`<PROTECTED>`
`03:07.09`	`sponger`	`or ${CALLERID(all)}`
`03:07.19`	`johnakabean`	`yeah I got that in the regular DISA`
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`03:08.39`	`levy`	`has anyone here used link2voip`
`03:10.00`	`g-ram`	`a'ight folks, I'm off to bed`
`03:10.03`	`g-ram`	`ttyl`
`03:21.29`	`paultech`	`Just upgraded to 1.6, Using AEL2. MACRO_EXTEN contains no data. I had to pass ${EXTEN} to the macro`
`03:21.33`	`paultech`	`Any ideas why thats missing?`
`03:21.45`	`paultech`	`think it might be time to hit the mailing-list`
`03:24.03`	`knctrnl`	`anyone know about pri between Nortel and *`
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`03:28.23`	`ChannelZ`	`paultech: upgraded from what?`
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`03:34.48`	`brunner`	`knctrnl: I have 28 of them`
`03:35.07`	`knctrnl`	`I am having an issue turning up my first one`
`03:35.14`	`brunner`	`err... actually, it's Nortel --> Cisco --> *`
`03:35.31`	`knctrnl`	`yellow alarm could be my wiring right?`
`03:42.16`	`scalex000`	`nirik, hey thanks a lot, you don't how many times I googled`
`03:44.42`	`mmlj4`	`nonce?`
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`04:11.07`	`TJNII`	`Hmmm.. This "Polka Variety with Frank Yankovic" LP may have to make its way into my MOH...`
`04:17.57`	`ChannelZ`	`hehe`
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`04:21.21`	`ChannelZ`	`haha I might have to buy a couple of tracks to throw on mine now :)`
`04:21.32`	`ChannelZ`	`although we almost never put anyone on hold so nobody would hear it`
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`04:24.19`	`TJNII`	`I've actually entertained the idea of hooking a record player up to MOH for the sheer ridiculousness of it.`
`04:25.13`	`ChannelZ`	`:D`
`04:25.33`	`phenoo`	`How cool!`
`04:25.42`	`TJNII`	`This automatic Technics SL-3 I have could do it, but I don't want to rewire it to be controlled by the PC.`
`04:26.52`	`ChannelZ`	`I should pipe my police scanner into mine`
`04:26.59`	`ChannelZ`	`confuse the hell out of everyone`
`04:27.44`	`TJNII`	`Ooh. I had a borrowed scanner piped into mine and you could dial in and listen to it. Was nice.`
`04:28.02`	`TJNII`	`But then I had to return the scanner, and I've never bought one for myself.`
`04:28.36`	`TJNII`	`Into my * box, not MOH, that is.`
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`04:36.07`	`TJNII`	`It is too bad jukeboxes take 45s and not LPs, I know a antique store that has 4 or 5 for sale, and I would rewire one of those for PC control.`
`04:36.21`	`TJNII`	`Make it talk MPD's protocol. That would be schnazzy.`
`04:37.26`	`phenoo`	`Funny, 45's are a-plenty here, jukeboxes are hard to find`
`04:38.22`	`TJNII`	`I like that idea... a lot. I may have to see how much he wants for them....`
`04:39.49`	`drmessano`	`I had my ham repeater piped into mine for a while`
`04:40.07`	`drmessano`	`Got boring`
`04:40.08`	`drmessano`	`lol`
`04:40.26`	`drmessano`	`Scanner would be nice, but needs a hold button`
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`06:55.09`	`MWE`	`hi all`
`06:56.16`	`MWE`	`is it possible to close a meetme room when one of the max. 2 users leaves?`
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`07:07.50`	`MWE`	`is it possible to close a meetme room when one of the max. 2 users leaves?`
`07:08.23`	`wdoekes`	`even after 11 minutes, I still don't know`
`07:09.06`	`kaldemar`	`do you see a suitable option in MeetMe documentation?`
`07:09.41`	`MWE`	`I looked in the book and on voip but there was nothing`
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`07:12.48`	`kaldemar`	`MWE: the best application documentation is in asterisk itself. "core show application MeetMe"`
`07:13.06`	`kaldemar`	`if you don't find a suitable option for that, then you have yo implement it yourself somehow.`
`07:13.31`	`MWE`	`ok:)`
`07:15.55`	`nextime`	`stupid question: can i set a variable inside a Macro ( macro called by using M() option in the Dial() ) and get it from the h extension when the call is over?`
`07:18.30`	`kaldemar`	`nextime: did you try it already?`
`07:19.14`	`nextime`	`kaldemar : yes, and it doesn't seem to work`
`07:19.14`	`nextime`	`but maybe there is a way to do it`
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`07:35.15`	`nextime`	`ok, found a work around using a global var SetGlobalVar(${UNIQUEID}=...}`
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`08:27.55`	`bimbo`	`hello, do I need to pass a special flag to the configure script when compiling asterisk in order to have sip functionality enabled?`
`08:31.30`	`ChannelZ`	`no`
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`08:34.59`	`bimbo`	`ChannelZ: yeah, just figured that out, didn't know I had to load chain_sip (and red_features before...), this isn't documented... anyway, I think I need to be something similar in order for my dialplan to be loaded?`
`08:39.58`	`ChannelZ`	`well firstly modules.conf should default to autoload being turned on AFAIK, so you shouldn't have to load chan_sip yourself`
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`08:42.55`	`ChannelZ`	`I can't remember what module the main dialplan handling is in but again it should all be loaded for you automatically`
`08:46.35`	`ChannelZ`	`way past my bedtime.. nighty`
`08:46.53`	`bimbo`	`ChannelZ: yes, after enabling modules.conf (was modules.conf.default) with autoload everything is working fine now, thank you`
`08:47.32`	`ChannelZ`	`sure good luck/have fun`
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`09:33.19`	`ibrar`	`A newbie Question`
`09:34.21`	`ibrar`	`I have created a 2 SIP extention and successfully register my SJ Phone and when try to call each other I am getting "Rejected because extenion not found error "`
`09:35.08`	`ibrar`	`BTW I have entry in extension.conf`
`09:35.48`	`UQlev`	`ibrar: paste to pastebin your extensions.conf and sip.conf`
`09:36.01`	`ibrar`	`UQLev ok`
`09:37.26`	`UQlev`	`ibrar: I hope it is standard asterisk, isn't it?`
`09:38.01`	`ibrar`	`Yes it is`
`09:38.52`	`ibrar`	`pastebin.com/d67e8c25f for sip.conf`
`09:40.09`	`ibrar`	`http://pastebin.com/d71660992 for extension.conf`
`09:40.51`	`kaldemar`	`you don't have [phones] or [internal] in extensions.conf`
`09:41.14`	`kaldemar`	`do yourself a favor and remove all commented sample lines from the configs, btw.`
`09:43.04`	`ibrar`	`kaldemar: I am reading the stuff and want to learn`
`09:43.32`	`UQlev`	`ibrar: kaldemar right: you have nothing in extensions conf that servers your "context=internal" or context=phones`
`09:44.27`	`kaldemar`	`ibrar: that is good, but it's better to keep the samples as samples and only put valid configurations in the files that are in use.`
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`09:45.10`	`Polysics`	`hello`
`09:45.13`	`ibrar`	`kaldemar: Ok i will do that.`
`09:45.17`	`Polysics`	`help me figure out a strategy please`
`09:45.42`	`Polysics`	`i have a list of receiving users that have one or more language, and inside that language zero or more areas of interest`
`09:45.47`	`ibrar`	`UQLev: What lines should I add and where can get help what I am missing`
`09:45.54`	`Polysics`	`callers specify language and skill area`
`09:46.17`	`Polysics`	`then i need to connect the caller with the first available person that has that language/skill, if none available, just language`
`09:46.43`	`Polysics`	`i tried figuring out a way to do it with queues but i'd need to build and maintain a monster amount of queues`
`09:47.16`	`Polysics`	`if it were only language queues would be better, but with the skill area factored in i think i'd be better off with some sorto of AGI`
`09:47.35`	`Polysics`	`plan is to build a sort of "personal queue" for each caller based on query`
`09:47.38`	`Polysics`	`any ideas?`
`09:47.52`	`UQlev`	`ibrar: http://cdn.oreilly.com/books/9780596510480.pdf`
`09:49.52`	`UQlev`	`ibrar: if you intend to learn it is good start ^`
`09:55.08`	`kaldemar`	`Polysics: how about dynamic queues with realtime and a script to select proper members before invoking the queue app?`
`09:55.54`	`Polysics`	`kaldemar, can queues be dynamic, in the sense that each caller gets his own personalized queue?`
`09:56.10`	`Polysics`	`would i need queues in mysql for that?`
`09:56.10`	`kaldemar`	`http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/index.php?page=Asterisk+RealTime+Queue`
`09:56.39`	`Polysics`	`or can it be done all in logic?`
`09:57.28`	`kaldemar`	`you could have just one defined queue for that, and modify the member list before putting the caller into the queue. not sure if that has effect on the other ongoing queue instances. but i'd try that.`
`09:57.59`	`Polysics`	`hmm, i think that the problem would be that other instances of the queues would change`
`09:58.06`	`Polysics`	`the wiki page implies changes are instantaneous`
`09:58.24`	`Polysics`	`basically i need to figure out if a queue is "frozen" at the time a caller enters it`
`09:58.25`	`kaldemar`	`mysql, postgresql, odbc...`
`09:58.41`	`Polysics`	`i'm already using mysql for extensions, sip accounts, and CDR`
`09:58.48`	`Polysics`	`so i'll go with that too`
`09:59.01`	`kaldemar`	`changes are instant, but if the members are taken from the db only then the queue app is started, it won't be a problem.`
`09:59.33`	`kaldemar`	`s/then/when/`
`09:59.49`	`Polysics`	`problem is the IF above :-)`
`10:00.08`	`Polysics`	`these things are a little difficult to test`
`10:00.22`	`Polysics`	`assuming my setup is ok, how do i go about testing this kind of app?`
`10:00.25`	`kaldemar`	`if the queue app updates it's member list during the whole operation, it won't work.`
`10:00.39`	`Polysics`	`is tehre anything to simulate users answering a queue?`
`10:00.47`	`kaldemar`	`i'd find that pretty easy to test once you have the database script working.`
`10:00.49`	`Polysics`	`kaldemar, so far what i have read seems to imply that`
`10:01.04`	`Polysics`	`i will have to find someone to help`
`10:01.08`	`kaldemar`	`use soft phones for example. you only need two.`
`10:01.18`	`Polysics`	`only two?`
`10:02.26`	`Polysics`	`you mean, add phone 1 to q A, phone 2 to q B, then check if switching phone 2 to q A while a call is ringing to A involves 2 too?`
`10:02.47`	`Polysics`	`in the above case i would let 1 ring till timeout, then see if 2 get called too`
`10:03.26`	`Polysics`	`or did you have something else in mind?`
`10:03.32`	`kaldemar`	`1st call: select one member and put the call in queue. the member should ring, don't answer. 2nd call: select the other device as member and put the caller in the queue. if either gets two calls, it doesn't work.`
`10:04.46`	`kaldemar`	`or just read the source to find out the behavior. ;)`
`10:06.06`	`kaldemar`	`or just make a queue with one member and put a caller in the queue. then add another member in the queue and see if it starts to ring.`
`10:06.13`	`Polysics`	`you know, i should just do that :-)`
`10:06.20`	`Polysics`	`last one you said makes more sense`
`10:06.32`	`Polysics`	`i'll start by implementing queues in mysql`
`10:06.49`	`Polysics`	`if the behavior is like what we suspect, what do i do?`
`10:06.58`	`Polysics`	`create a new queue in the db for each caller?`
`10:07.10`	`Polysics`	`that would actually be easy, dunno about performance though`
`10:07.32`	`Polysics`	`i could get it done with triggers and stored procedures`
`10:07.40`	`Polysics`	`avoiding AGI altogether`
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`10:10.24`	`kaldemar`	`Polysics: no, don't create a new queue, just modify the queue's member list before putting a caller into the queue. you could have just one queue.`
`10:12.07`	`Polysics`	`kaldemar, that works only if each queue is a "snapshot" of the table for every caller`
`10:12.33`	`Polysics`	`if it is truly dynamic (ie. modifying it makes the current instances change) all i can do is a new q for each call`
`10:12.49`	`tompaw`	`Hi guys.`
`10:13.34`	`tompaw`	`I'm getting a compilation error with addons-1.6.1.1`
`10:13.36`	`tompaw`	`chan_ooh323.c:3158: error: expected â)â before string constant`
`10:13.44`	`tompaw`	`Is it a known problem?`
`10:14.21`	`kaldemar`	`Polysics: sure. but that's one of the things you might want to test first.`
`10:15.05`	`tompaw`	`The only thing that google gets me is http://www.cnasterisk.com/thread-583-1-1.html, and my chinese is not good enough yet.`
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`10:18.26`	`tzafrir_laptop`	`tompaw, missing include?`
`10:19.38`	`tompaw`	`tzafrir_laptop: yeah, it seems like you're right: chan_ooh323.h:19:22: error: asterisk.h: No such file or directory`
`10:20.27`	`tompaw`	`lame me, thx ;>`
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`10:42.17`	`renzoe`	`guys, how can i enable call record in asterisk 1.6?`
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`10:59.18`	`renzoe`	`guys, how can i enable call record in asterisk 1.6?`
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`11:10.51`	`pzn`	`Hi. I'd like to prepend a string to called ID of incoming calls. For example, today it shows "12345678" in my telephone display. I'd like to show "abc 12345678". abc I'll use to differenciate the incoming line.`
`11:11.14`	`pzn`	`does anyone have a hint about how to do this? I'm a little new to asterisk.`
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`11:15.38`	`pzn`	`which is the command to show the transcode matrix of audio codecs?`
`11:16.11`	`kaldemar`	`[core] show translation`
`11:16.35`	`kaldemar`	`use core in the command depending on your asterisk version.`
`11:17.06`	`kaldemar`	`pzn: does your phone view caller id name or number?`
`11:19.20`	`pzn`	`kaldemar: show translation worked as expected. thanks. about caller id I didn't understand your question. my phone display shows numbers (but it is alfanumeric, it can show chars too)`
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`11:20.23`	`kaldemar`	`caller id has two fields, name and number. you need to know which one the phone is showing to know which one to modify. number part can obviously have only numbers in it.`
`11:24.01`	`pzn`	`kaldemar: it is showing numbers. how can I modify it by adding some numbers before?`
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`11:24.55`	`kaldemar`	`the fact that it shows numbers doesn't tell anything. however, caller id is modified with function CALLERID().`
`11:25.18`	`lftsy`	`Hello, I have compiled the SNMP module within Asterisk, is it possible to retrieve the number of SIP online peers with it? Because I cannot find the good oid..`
`11:26.16`	`kaldemar`	`pzn: Set(CALLERID(num)=123${CALLERID(num)}) <-- this would prepend caller id number with 123`
`11:26.49`	`pzn`	`kaldemar: thanks, that is what I needed!!!`
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`11:33.04`	`pzn`	`kaldemar: :-( didn't work... maybe change the string... how about tho change the name?`
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`11:36.03`	`kaldemar`	`pzn: then you change CALLERID(name)`
`11:38.08`	`scalex000`	`good morning, there`
`11:38.19`	`scalex000`	`how to fix this warning?`
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`11:39.07`	`scalex000`	`http://pastebin.com/d4333fcb9`
`11:40.39`	`kaldemar`	`stop doing whatever causes it`
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`11:42.17`	`scalex000`	`kaldemar, i getting warning when call is coming.`
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`11:46.06`	`kaldemar`	`scalex000: seems like it's not in your hands to fix.`
`11:46.35`	`scalex000`	`oK, thanks`
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`11:49.01`	`scalex000`	`kaldemar, where to send this bug?`
`11:50.01`	`tzafrir_laptop`	`to the mantis`
`11:50.14`	`tzafrir_laptop`	`http://issues.asterisk.org/`
`11:50.25`	`kaldemar`	`is it a bug?`
`11:51.35`	`scalex000`	`kaldemar, how to can I create a group ringing? I need when call coming to ring on 3 extension at one.`
`11:52.47`	`kaldemar`	`Dial(Tech/device1&Tech/device2&Tech/device3)`
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`11:56.36`	`brunner`	`What are the recommended specs for a server that will support 150 active channels and 50 meetme conferences?`
`11:58.05`	`Chainsaw`	`brunner: A decent telephony adapter should be the centre-piece.`
`11:58.21`	`brunner`	`telephony adapter?`
`11:58.34`	`Chainsaw`	`brunner: Yes. To get you a stable timing source for the conference bridge.`
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`11:58.53`	`brunner`	`I'm not sure what you mean by telephony adapter, to be honest`
`11:59.30`	`Chainsaw`	`http://www.digium.com/en/products/analog/tdm410.php`
`12:00.08`	`brunner`	`Chainsaw: unless Digium started making DS3 cards, that won't really work for me`
`12:00.36`	`Chainsaw`	`brunner: As long as your telephony adapter supplies a clock, it'll do fine.`
`12:01.11`	`brunner`	`right now I'm using Cisco AS5450's to handle all the frame relay/SIP stuff`
`12:01.24`	`Chainsaw`	`brunner: ISDN clocking from a telco is excellent, that will solve it. 150 concurrent calls is entirely doable, however, will there be transcoding involved?`
`12:01.26`	`brunner`	`my asterisk box only sees SIP over the LAN`
`12:01.33`	`kaldemar`	`brunner: http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+dimensioning`
`12:01.40`	`brunner`	`no transcoding`
`12:01.43`	`brunner`	`it's all ulaw`
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`12:03.17`	`scalex000`	`kaldemar, hello, I change default language on indications.conf, how to reload this module again.`
`12:03.30`	`Chainsaw`	`Then most rack servers bought today should be able to carry that burden. Particularly a dual-core or better Opteron or Xeon system.`
`12:03.49`	`brunner`	`kaldemar: yeah, I've seen that, but I can't find anything on there close to the specs of the server I'm currently using`
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`12:04.37`	`kaldemar`	`scalex000: module reload res_indications.so - you can see all modules with module show.`
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`12:05.00`	`scalex000`	`hola`
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`12:09.45`	`brunner`	`my current asterisk server crashes every time it hits about 225 concurrent calls`
`12:09.51`	`brunner`	`I'm pretty sure it's a timing issue`
`12:10.08`	`brunner`	`we're currently using the USB controller for timing`
`12:10.17`	`brunner`	`is there anything I can do to improve the situation?`
`12:10.34`	`brunner`	`when the crash occurs, the load increases, too`
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`12:11.24`	`brunner`	`it's an 8-core system, so a load of 8.0 is 100% capacity, as I understand it. when a crash occurs, it can get as high as 12, but as soon as I restart it, it goes down to -- and stays at -- 2 or so`
`12:11.36`	`Chainsaw`	`brunner: You're trying to do something high-performance... over USB?`
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`12:12.02`	`brunner`	`Chainsaw: what do you mean "over USB"?`
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`12:13.07`	`brunner`	`Chainsaw: I said we're currently using the USB controller for timing. have you not heard of zaptel?`
`12:16.32`	`brunner`	`ztdummy, rather`
`12:16.36`	`Chainsaw`	`brunner: I have, yes. You need a stable (I'd dare say high-performance) timing source. Anything involving USB is not it.`
`12:17.26`	`brunner`	`I realize that, but what options do I have? would it be better to set the kernel to 1000hz? should I buy some hardware?`
`12:17.34`	`brunner`	`is there a "timer" card I can buy, or something?`
`12:17.56`	`Chainsaw`	`brunner: Yes, any Digium or Sangoma adapter, even a very simple analog one like the one I linked you to can provide stable timing.`
`12:18.12`	`brunner`	`neat, thanks`
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`12:26.39`	`brunner`	`so if I just install the card, asterisk should auto-magically see it and use it?`
`12:26.50`	`xrmx__`	`hi, i have an asterisk 1.4 pbx connected to a 1.2 one, in sip show peer the 1.2 sees the peer in Reg. Contact : sip:s@x.x.x.x and so in every call from 1.2 i get in the 1.4 box [Sep 29 14:23:12] NOTICE[2647]: chan_sip.c:14035 handle_request_invite: Call from 'foo' to extension 's' rejected because extension not found. How can i fix that?`
`12:26.56`	`beek`	`brunner: you'd need to run dahdi_config`
`12:27.09`	`Chainsaw`	`brunner: You'll need to switch to the appropriate zaptel or DAHDI driver.`
`12:27.09`	`brunner`	`gotcha, thanks`
`12:27.09`	`Chainsaw`	`brunner: Instead of the "dummy".`
`12:27.25`	`brunner`	`so that's the best solution? installing a PCI card?`
`12:27.51`	`Chainsaw`	`brunner: Implementing something in hardware will usually perform better then software emulation, yes.`
`12:28.09`	`brunner`	`but how do I figure out if timing is my problem?`
`12:28.19`	`brunner`	`would bad timing cause the load to increase like it has?`
`12:28.49`	`Chainsaw`	`It would help to run top while it crashes and burns.`
`12:29.01`	`Chainsaw`	`Then you can see with your own eyes what processes/threads use most CPU time.`
`12:29.02`	`brunner`	`I do`
`12:29.11`	`brunner`	`asterisk is always consuming the most CPU`
`12:29.22`	`brunner`	`by far`
`12:29.38`	`Chainsaw`	`To a degree, that's expected. But what's just below, eating that extra CPU time that it so desperately craves?`
`12:30.30`	`brunner`	`hmm`
`12:30.38`	`brunner`	`usually apache`
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`12:30.55`	`Chainsaw`	`brunner: Not ztdummy?`
`12:31.22`	`brunner`	`not that I recall, but maybe I don't have top in the right mode`
`12:31.22`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`xrmx__: Go create the estension you told them to send the call to`
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`12:31.42`	`brunner`	`is ztdummy its own process, or is it a thread, and if the latter is the case, do I need to do something special with top to make it show threads?`
`12:31.58`	`xrmx__`	`[TK]D-Fender, i have multiple accounts so i cannot just create s`
`12:32.04`	`Saleh`	`can someone email me app_swift.so (version 1.4.2) , i cant compile it from source, i think coz i am using Asterisk from SVN`
`12:32.19`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Chainsaw: My favourite programming language : solder`
`12:32.19`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`xrmx__: Sure you can`
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`12:32.53`	`brunner`	`20185 root 20 0 436m 42m 5252 S 29 0.3 382:03.43 asterisk`
`12:32.54`	`brunner`	`<PROTECTED>`
`12:32.54`	`brunner`	`12749 www-data 20 0 159m 7968 2944 S 0 0.0 0:00.01 apache2`
`12:33.11`	`Chainsaw`	`brunner: It may need the -H option.`
`12:33.40`	`brunner`	`Chainsaw: lol... that fills my screen with "asterisk" lines`
`12:33.57`	`brunner`	`every now and then I see apache2 pop up in there`
`12:34.04`	`Chainsaw`	`brunner: Yes, but you may now be able to identify what Asterisk is spending the most time on.`
`12:34.10`	`brunner`	`cool`
`12:34.11`	`brunner`	`thanks`
`12:35.27`	`brunner`	`what specs should I get on a 1U to handle 150+ channels?`
`12:35.32`	`brunner`	`aside from a Digium PCI card, I mean`
`12:35.50`	`Chainsaw`	`I use a Proliant DL365 G1 for it.`
`12:35.59`	`Chainsaw`	`Which is a dual dual-core Opteron 2218.`
`12:36.04`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`brunner: Doing what exactly?`
`12:36.09`	`Chainsaw`	`That will definitely cope.`
`12:36.12`	`brunner`	`[TK]D-Fender: meetme`
`12:36.19`	`brunner`	`it's all meetme`
`12:36.33`	`brunner`	`probably 50 meetme's for every 150 channels, or so`
`12:36.39`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`brunner: Hrm... not sure what the mixing load scaling is on that...`
`12:36.55`	`brunner`	`I'd rather err on the side of having too much`
`12:37.05`	`brunner`	`no transcoding, btw`
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`12:37.47`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`brunner: I'd say 4 gig dual core+ should do it....`
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`12:38.02`	`brunner`	`4 GB of RAM?`
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`12:41.28`	`brunner`	`can anyone recommend a place to get cheap 1U's?`
`12:42.16`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`brunner: dell.com`
`12:42.32`	`brunner`	`[TK]D-Fender: "cheap" 1U's`
`12:42.49`	`beek`	`go to dell... go straight to dell. do not pass go. do not collect $200`
`12:43.24`	`beek`	`mornin' [TK]D-Fender`
`12:43.44`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`beek: I got my balls!`
`12:43.48`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`,/preloadedjoke>`
`12:43.52`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`</preloadedjoke>`
`12:43.54`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`lol`
`12:44.04`	`beek`	`Cool... the pony express didn't damage it?`
`12:44.18`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`beek: Nope!`
`12:45.14`	`beek`	`Excellent.`
`12:47.06`	`beek`	`Now your coworker will be happy.`
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`13:21.18`	`jaytee`	`morning beek`
`13:22.37`	`Pan3D`	`morning kids`
`13:23.40`	`beek`	`morning jaytee`
`13:26.52`	`jaytee`	`Pan3D, kids? I not just older than dirt....I invented dirt.`
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`13:28.00`	`jaytee`	`morning`
`13:28.43`	`Dovid`	`morning`
`13:29.18`	`scalex000`	`hello`
`13:30.00`	`Katty`	`:>`
`13:30.04`	`Katty`	`hugs jaytee`
`13:30.07`	`Katty`	`hugs beek`
`13:30.09`	`Katty`	`hugs ManxPower-work`
`13:30.15`	`scalex000`	`TK: I need to show you something from dialplan.`
`13:30.16`	`jaytee`	`hugs Katty`
`13:30.34`	`beek`	`hugs katty`
`13:30.45`	`jaytee`	`just when [TK]D-Fender thought it was safe, they pull him back in`
`13:31.03`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`fuggedaboutit!`
`13:31.37`	`jaytee`	`yes, we may have to suffer fools but no one said we had to do it gladly, hence your ClueBat (tm) :-)`
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`13:32.35`	`coppice`	`you don't have to suffer fools, but you need to be smart enough not to get caught trying alternatives`
`13:33.15`	`beek`	`He enjoys using the ClueBat (tm)`
`13:33.55`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`beek: No, just the silence that follows :)`
`13:34.02`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Means to an end!`
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`13:34.14`	`eppigy`	`these are the daves of our lives`
`13:35.13`	`Katty`	`hugs on eppigy`
`13:35.20`	`eppigy`	`huggles kaldemar`
`13:35.24`	`eppigy`	`huggles Katty`
`13:35.25`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`FAIL`
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`13:35.29`	`eppigy`	`8[]`
`13:35.49`	`Katty`	`kaldemar needs hugs too.`
`13:36.31`	`scalex000`	`http://pastebin.com/d244b16c1`
`13:36.37`	`eppigy`	`HUGS FOR EVERYONE`
`13:36.40`	`scalex000`	`I add the comments add the end`
`13:36.42`	`Katty`	`:>>>`
`13:37.30`	`Katty`	`eppigy: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3503/3965274865_d88b9e777b_b.jpg`
`13:37.34`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`scalex000: Go look at the CALL`
`13:38.40`	`scalex000`	`TK, call reject, no such context/extension`
`13:38.54`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`scalex000: Worthless error, loko at the sip debug`
`13:38.55`	`ManxPower-work`	`scalex000: the call is not matching the account you think it's matching.`
`13:39.04`	`ManxPower-work`	`[TK]D-Fender: it's IAX2`
`13:39.08`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`ManxPower-work: let him come to it...`
`13:39.30`	`ManxPower-work`	`scalex000: he's not come to it in the week he's been here.`
`13:39.30`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`scalex000: IAX2 debug... whatever`
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`13:39.52`	`ManxPower-work`	`scalex000: if an incoming IAX2 call matches no peers, it will match the last peer in the iax.conf file.`
`13:39.52`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`dialplan alone doesn't prove anything in this case anyway`
`13:40.04`	`ManxPower-work`	`[TK]D-Fender: that is very true.`
`13:40.17`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`ManxPower-work: Also no proof its a peer-matching issue yet either`
`13:40.29`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`ManxPower-work: Give him a little more rope ;)`
`13:40.33`	`kaldemar`	`o_O`
`13:40.43`	`ManxPower-work`	`[TK]D-Fender: most IAX2 problems seem to be peer matching issues`
`13:40.44`	`scalex000`	`TK: thanks, both system is connected and register`
`13:40.49`	`eppigy`	`Katty: what is this store`
`13:41.00`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`scalex000: Meaningless. No go open your eyes and look at the CALL`
`13:41.03`	`scalex000`	`I mean dialplan its ok?`
`13:41.24`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`scalex000: you also don't seem to think your iax configuration has anything to do with this. You would be sadly mistaken`
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`13:41.46`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`scalex000: No, I mean your dialplan isn't a complete picture and maybe it doesn't mean shit.`
`13:41.52`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`scaIts that you think only one piece is at fault.`
`13:41.59`	`scalex000`	`nop`
`13:42.26`	`scalex000`	`TK, no I don't think, because from PBX2 I can reach PBX1`
`13:42.54`	`scalex000`	`TK, so I ask you to see if I make a mistake on dialplan from PBX1 to PBX2`
`13:43.12`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`scalex000: Dialplan is only pat of the picture. Who says its even being used?`
`13:43.16`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`part*`
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`13:43.23`	`scalex000`	`TK, I know`
`13:43.29`	`scalex000`	`TK, I knew`
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`13:44.32`	`scalex000`	`TK, Thanks and forget it`
`13:47.59`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`scalex000: Found your mistake?`
`13:48.17`	`scalex000`	`TK: not yet`
`13:49.52`	`scalex000`	`TK: I was use an example from Asterisk Manual, I don't know right now what I did worng but thank you.`
`13:51.30`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`scalex000: Right now, like before you simply aren't looking at your IAX2 configs or the CALL.`
`13:51.58`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Not looking at the call = shoot-on-sight offense`
`13:52.20`	`scalex000`	`TK: I look on the call`
`13:52.30`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`scalex000: Where do I see this?`
`13:52.49`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`scalex000: You ask whats wrong and you haven't shown the call with proper debug`
`13:52.56`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`scalex000: You don't seem to learn`
`13:53.26`	`freckle`	`anyone suddenly getting weird errors on Linksys kit? Since yesterday been getting both SPA9000 and SPA901 responsing with SIP/2.0 488 Not Acceptable Here. and Warning: 304 spa "Media type not available".`
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`13:53.40`	`freckle`	`when call answers`
`13:53.55`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`freckle: Codec mismatch`
`13:54.15`	`freckle`	`yes I know but why suddenly does it stop working:?`
`13:54.23`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`freckle: Codec mismatch <---------`
`13:54.23`	`freckle`	`been working for a year till yesterday`
`13:54.47`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`freckle: then yesterday something changed in the communications its been doing.`
`13:55.05`	`freckle`	`well I am the ITSP and we didn't change anything`
`13:55.28`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`freckle: Well clearly some part of the situation changed and you aren't showing us anything`
`13:55.36`	`freckle`	`ok so only going to allow G711 and try again`
`13:55.37`	`kaldemar`	`scalex000: what is Asterisk Manual?`
`13:56.05`	`scalex000`	`TK: hold on`
`13:56.15`	`scalex000`	`kaldemar: future of asterisk`
`13:57.21`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`scalex000: that is a rough guide written by multiple parties and not "the law" on how everything works. Yes its a good resource but don't use it as a crutch especially when you aren't even looking with both eyes`
`13:57.40`	`Katty`	`eppigy: let's have some fun this beat is sick!`
`13:57.53`	`eppigy`	`YES`
`13:58.02`	`eppigy`	`i like to have fun`
`13:58.13`	`freckle`	`hmm so only allowing G711 I get 100 trying and then after about 5-6 seconds 486 Busy Here.`
`13:58.18`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`I wanna beat a newb with my ClueBat stick!`
`13:58.27`	`eppigy`	`lol`
`13:58.36`	`Katty`	`don't me take that bat away from you`
`13:58.41`	`scalex000`	`Tk: thank you for your advice I use for reference when I need to know something new`
`13:58.43`	`Katty`	`s/me/make me/`
`13:58.44`	`beek`	`Good luck with that`
`13:59.04`	`freckle`	`Linksys seems screwed`
`13:59.16`	`eppigy`	`how dare you`
`13:59.21`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`freckle: If you say so...`
`13:59.42`	`Katty`	`eppigy: ARE YOU IN THE GAME`
`13:59.48`	`freckle`	`why would a SPA9000 wait 5-6 seconds from trying to busy?`
`14:00.03`	`eppigy`	`Katty: I AM IN THAT GAME`
`14:00.03`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`freckle: Why would we try to guess that blind?`
`14:00.15`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`freckle: This isn't an Linksys PBX support channel...`
`14:00.53`	`eppigy`	`i will support your linksys pbx`
`14:00.53`	`eppigy`	`all the way out the window`
`14:00.53`	`eppigy`	`YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN`
`14:01.02`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`wedges eppigy under the left corner to see if it stabilizes....`
`14:01.03`	`freckle`	`it's not my linksys it's a customers`
`14:01.09`	`eppigy`	`:<`
`14:01.18`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`rfe.... and?`
`14:01.21`	`Katty`	`oh man i've been there before.`
`14:01.27`	`freckle`	`epygi are equally shit IMHO`
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`14:01.36`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`freckle: .... and?`
`14:01.55`	`freckle`	`I just thought other might have had similar experience as this has happned to multiple devices at the same time.`
`14:02.19`	`freckle`	`clearly trere are some self important twats in here`
`14:02.24`	`freckle`	`sorry i asked`
`14:02.29`	`Katty`	`hi tony!`
`14:02.30`	`eppigy`	`damn son`
`14:02.33`	`Katty`	`freckle: nownow...`
`14:02.34`	`eppigy`	`you mad?`
`14:02.39`	`Katty`	`freckle: let's not get all negative`
`14:02.43`	`Katty`	`freckle: that's just gonna spoil your day`
`14:02.48`	`Katty`	`freckle: AND everyone elses.`
`14:02.56`	`eppigy`	`not mine`
`14:03.00`	`eppigy`	`I am eating a blt`
`14:03.08`	`eppigy`	`and drinking v8`
`14:03.09`	`ManxPower-work`	`Katty: Why not? He asked a deer butchering question in a PETA channel.`
`14:03.21`	`Katty`	`if we're gonna get our panties in a bunch, let's them get them in a bunch over something worthwhile.`
`14:03.23`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`freckle: Burger King loves it when customers come in and whine about their Big Macs`
`14:03.44`	`eppigy`	`Katty: hot`
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`14:04.13`	`scalex000`	`TK: I only have a notice from debug, what do you need exactly? sorry I incoming call I loose the what I need to find.`
`14:04.20`	`freckle`	`and asterisk may needs to look up interoperability`
`14:04.36`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`freckle: And what does your Linksys PBX have to do with Asterisk?`
`14:04.48`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`freckle: * works just fine...`
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`14:05.00`	`freckle`	`it's not my linksys, but asterisk send it calls`
`14:05.04`	`*** part/#asterisk mscahill (i=mscahill@free-shell.eu)`
`14:05.08`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`scalex000: How do you "lose" debug? Seriously...`
`14:05.18`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`freckle: And you are showing us nothing...`
`14:05.27`	`freckle`	`and since yesterday the linksys complains to asterisk about codec mismatch`
`14:05.37`	`freckle`	`what do you want to see`
`14:05.37`	`scalex000`	`TK:many call, i think was in log but not`
`14:05.38`	`eppigy`	`show me everything`
`14:05.48`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`freckle: Complete call debug, dug`
`14:05.55`	`freckle`	`sip debug?`
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`14:06.28`	`ManxPower-work`	`freckle: um, codec mismatches are usually easy to fix. disallow=all and allow=thecodecyouwant`
`14:06.43`	`Katty`	`[TK]D-Fender: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTjDbTOmic8 (=`
`14:06.44`	`freckle`	`yes I have that`
`14:07.20`	`ManxPower-work`	`freckle: where is the pastebin URL of your debug output?`
`14:07.23`	`scalex000`	`TK:http://pastebin.com/d64475f36`
`14:07.59`	`freckle`	`working on the pastebin, jsut hiding the IP;s`
`14:08.02`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`ManxPower-work: You mean he's supposed to be actually looking at the call?`
`14:08.13`	`ManxPower-work`	`scalex000: the username you are sending is "principal", is that what you expect?`
`14:08.25`	`scalex000`	`yes`
`14:08.27`	`freckle`	`i have been looking at the SIP the last half hour can't see anything wrong`
`14:08.34`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`ManxPower-work: Don't...`
`14:08.45`	`ManxPower-work`	`[TK]D-Fender: Obviously no, if he was supposed to be looking at a call he would have figured it out. WE need to look at the call.`
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`14:08.52`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`scalex000: Now look at that debug, and look at your dialplan. Maybe a few hundred times till it hits you`
`14:09.00`	`eppigy`	`lol`
`14:09.05`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`ManxPower-work: :p`
`14:09.06`	`scalex000`	`TK: jajajaja`
`14:09.22`	`ManxPower-work`	`"chan_iax2.c:9266 socket_process: Rejected connect attempt from 200.88.120.180, request '228@incoming_principal' does not exist"`
`14:09.26`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`ManxPower-work: Indeed, it doesn't`
`14:09.45`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`ManxPower-work: Most assuredly not`
`14:09.46`	`ManxPower-work`	`scalex000: You do not have and extension 228 in the context incoming_principal. Is that what you expect?`
`14:10.06`	`Chainsaw`	`Anyone know if the Cisco 7960G can do SIP over TCP as well as UDP?`
`14:10.18`	`scalex000`	`ManxPower-work: I include`
`14:10.24`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`scaLOOK AGAIN`
`14:10.27`	`scalex000`	`this do not work`
`14:10.31`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`scalex000: LOOK AGAIN`
`14:10.40`	`Hatrix`	`how comes i try to compile app_mp4, it compiles, i copy the app_mp4.so, restart asterisk, asterisk tells me can't load module because it does not find MP4WriteRtpHint, but if i string /usr/lib/libmp4v2.so.0, it's there ....`
`14:10.53`	`ManxPower-work`	`Chainsaw: no, but if that phone is listed as compatible with your Microsoft SIP server (I don't rememer the name of it) then the the phone supports TCP (MS SIP only supports TCP)`
`14:11.16`	`Chesther`	`Hatrix - app_mp4.so isn't finding /usr/lib/libmp4...`
`14:11.21`	`freckle`	`here is the pastebin http://pastebin.com/d6448fcbc`
`14:11.24`	`ManxPower-work`	`scalex000: you did not answer my question.`
`14:11.34`	`Chainsaw`	`ManxPower-work: Where is this Microsoft SIP server coming from?`
`14:11.38`	`Hatrix`	`Chesther: yeah, but why, i thought the ldd system handles this automatically?`
`14:11.54`	`scalex000`	`please, hold on I not a supermachine, I need to understand. I need to translate`
`14:12.01`	`Chesther`	`Hatrix: Good question. What does 'ldd app_mp4.so' say about the libraries it's looking for?`
`14:12.06`	`scalex000`	`ha ahhah`
`14:12.09`	`ManxPower-work`	`Chainsaw: it's the ONLY SIP device/software that I know of that requires TCP. I can't think of any other reason to want to do SIP over TCP.`
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`14:12.12`	`coppice`	`Chainsaw: somewhere dark and sinister, of course`
`14:12.21`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`freckle: I see no * in there`
`14:12.34`	`Chesther`	`ManxPower-work: I need to do SIP over TCP to talk to our Avaya PBX.`
`14:12.41`	`Chainsaw`	`ManxPower-work: I would like call setup to go over a robust channel. I can wait those extra milliseconds.`
`14:12.47`	`Hatrix`	`Chesther: that's the funny thing, it only has the standars (linux-gate, lipthread, libc, ld-linux.so ... ) but nothing more, i am a bit baffled why it's like that ...`
`14:12.58`	`Chainsaw`	`ManxPower-work: Voice, yes, obviously there's a low-latency requirement there.`
`14:13.27`	`ManxPower-work`	`Chainsaw: My original statement still stands`
`14:13.31`	`freckle`	`the INVITE is from *`
`14:13.45`	`Chesther`	`Hatrix: Well, then it's not linked against the libmp4v2.so.0 in /usr/lib, so what's in there isn't relevant. time to comb through the build of the .so and see what it's doing.`
`14:13.55`	`scalex000`	`ManxPower-work, no I do not have this extension on this context`
`14:14.04`	`ManxPower-work`	`freckle: No. It isn't. User-Agent: Entanet Media Server.`
`14:14.09`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`freckle: Sure doesn't say it, and that isn't debug straight out of *`
`14:14.20`	`freckle`	`its a ngrep trace`
`14:14.28`	`Hatrix`	`Chesther: hmmm, yeah ... what it does definltly not give me is an error sigh :-)`
`14:14.32`	`scalex000`	`ManxPower-work, so use include the context that have this extension not work`
`14:14.42`	`ManxPower-work`	`freckle: An Asterisk SIP packet will have something like "User-Agent: Asterisk PBX"`
`14:14.54`	`ManxPower-work`	`scalex000: yes if that is what you want to do.`
`14:15.14`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`scalex000: It isn't the "include"`
`14:15.27`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`[10:09]<ManxPower-work>"chan_iax2.c:9266 socket_process: Rejected connect attempt from 200.88.120.180, request '228@incoming_principal' does not exist"`
`14:15.30`	`ManxPower-work`	`There are not many solutions to "Not Acceptable Here". That message means "the two ends of the call cannot agree on a common codec."`
`14:16.00`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`[09:36]<scalex000>http://pastebin.com/d244b16c1`
`14:16.27`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`freckle: And who's to say the SPA has a sane list to match?`
`14:16.40`	`coppice`	`ManxPower-work: that;s what happens when Republican SIP calls Democrat SIP :-)`
`14:16.42`	`ManxPower-work`	`scalex000: we did not design your PBX. You designed your PBX. All we can tell you is that the call is coming into that extension for that context.`
`14:16.42`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`scalex000: Go show me where that call is supposed to land. Give me a LINE NUMBER`
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`14:17.30`	`*** mode/#asterisk [+o putnopvut] by ChanServ`
`14:17.40`	`ManxPower-work`	`in any case, my build has finished. I wish everyone the BEST of luck.`
`14:17.42`	`*** part/#asterisk ManxPower-work (n=EWieling@24.42.221.26)`
`14:17.54`	`scalex000`	`TK: ok`
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`14:19.21`	`scalex000`	`TK: Line 190`
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`14:19.39`	`raden_work`	`Katty, morning`
`14:19.43`	`raden_work`	`Naikrovek, howdy`
`14:19.52`	`Naikrovek`	`raden_work: yo`
`14:20.00`	`raden_work`	`hows it going today`
`14:20.04`	`Naikrovek`	`busy`
`14:20.15`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`scaHow does it GET to that exten in that context? Show me the line # where it comes IN on`
`14:20.59`	`scalex000`	`Ok`
`14:21.17`	`scalex000`	`I will highlight ok`
`14:21.17`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`scalex000: Well?`
`14:21.37`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`scalex000: No, just give me the LINE NUMBER for the first pertinint line in your dialplan`
`14:22.13`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`scalex000: Show me the FIRST thing * looks at for that call.`
`14:22.34`	`scalex000`	`ok`
`14:22.52`	`scalex000`	`TK: 117`
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`14:23.11`	`scalex000`	`TK:238`
`14:23.25`	`scalex000`	`TK:190`
`14:23.31`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`scalex000: What does 238 say?`
`14:23.32`	`Katty`	`good morning raden_work (=`
`14:24.34`	`raden_work`	`hows it going Katty`
`14:24.45`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`scalex000: Well?`
`14:25.05`	`Katty`	`raden_work: ehh...`
`14:25.16`	`scalex000`	`TK:Principal_Incoming`
`14:25.22`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`scalex000: And what does THIS SAY? "chan_iax2.c:9266 socket_process: Rejected connect attempt from 200.88.120.180, request '228@incoming_principal' does not exist"`
`14:25.23`	`Katty`	`raden_work: i've had better days.`
`14:25.36`	`Katty`	`raden_work: course i've had worse too!`
`14:25.45`	`scalex000`	`TK::(`
`14:25.56`	`scalex000`	`TK: :(`
`14:26.08`	`scalex000`	`TK: do not say nothing. pls`
`14:26.28`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`scalex000: OMG...LOOK AT THE FUCKING CONTEXT!!!`
`14:26.33`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`scalex000: BACKWARDS!`
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`14:26.42`	`Katty`	`woah`
`14:26.48`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`scalex000: incoming_principal != Principal_Incoming`
`14:26.53`	`scalex000`	`TK: yes`
`14:27.08`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`scalex000: You are pointing it to the wrong context <--------------------`
`14:27.21`	`scalex000`	`TK: oh right!!!! I told do not say nothing.`
`14:27.22`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`scalex000: You told the call to look in a place that does not EXIST`
`14:27.48`	`scalex000`	`TK; this always pass on programming`
`14:28.05`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`scalex000: When * tells you that an extension is not found then either the extension is wrong, or its not in the right place.`
`14:29.04`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`scalex000: And you weren't looking at the start where it told you exactly where. Look at every single charater of the context name, AND completely trace your includes and break down your dialplan patterns`
`14:29.15`	`scalex000`	`TK: I not put attention on this.`
`14:29.49`	`scalex000`	`TK: I will check everything before to ask.`
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`14:30.52`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`scalex000: We shouldn't have to tell you to look at your problems. And then not have to ask about 50 more times. And then show that you are not even looking at what you provide us. And then ignoring when we even point out the suspected lines`
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`14:32.49`	`scalex000`	`TK: I try to follow you what you say, but maybe I do not understand.`
`14:32.58`	`scalex000`	`TK: see you for now`
`14:33.00`	`scalex000`	`bye`
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`14:45.10`	`sgtpepper`	`guys, we're using asterisk realtime`
`14:45.19`	`sgtpepper`	`and we need to disable a user from realtime`
`14:45.23`	`sgtpepper`	`without running then a reload`
`14:45.34`	`sgtpepper`	`because apparently, when we run sip reload`
`14:45.40`	`sgtpepper`	`asterisk looses all registrations`
`14:45.52`	`Corydon76-dig`	`A SIP user?`
`14:46.08`	`Corydon76-dig`	`Use the 'sip prune' command`
`14:46.41`	`sgtpepper`	`I tried changing the password, and then sip prune the user`
`14:46.42`	`sgtpepper`	`and it does not work`
`14:46.43`	`sgtpepper`	`the user still can make calls`
`14:46.47`	`sgtpepper`	`invite is not on insecure`
`14:46.59`	`Corydon76-dig`	`Did you prune the peer?`
`14:47.06`	`sgtpepper`	`yes`
`14:47.12`	`sgtpepper`	`sip prune realtime peer ....`
`14:47.29`	`Corydon76-dig`	`So you pruned both the peer and the user?`
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`14:47.41`	`sgtpepper`	`both peer and user`
`14:47.41`	`sgtpepper`	`ohh ok`
`14:47.47`	`sgtpepper`	`type=friend in this one`
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`14:47.57`	`Corydon76-dig`	`Right, that creates 2 records`
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`14:48.56`	`sgtpepper`	`ok, good to know`
`14:49.18`	`sgtpepper`	`another thing, is it true that if I issue a sip reload realtime users loose registrations?`
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`14:57.59`	`Katty`	`facepalm`
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`14:58.06`	`raden_work`	`blah`
`14:58.06`	`Katty`	`mom logged into dad's facebook account`
`14:58.10`	`Katty`	`and is trying to figure out how to talk to me`
`14:58.20`	`Katty`	`oh boy.`
`14:59.01`	`jeeger`	`Greetings! I am trying to set up a ISDN BRI with a HFC-S card under asterisk. I use a bristuffed Asterisk (the one in debian lenny). ztscan shows the card, zap show channels shows two b channels. However, during asterisk startup, I get the message that I haven't configured zaptel correctly. On debian Asterisk keeps on running. I try to originate a call, but I get the error "Could not request channel." How can I debug this further?`
`14:59.37`	`raden_work`	`is there a way todo a sip reload without being in CLI ?`
`14:59.45`	`raden_work`	`like just from linux console ?`
`15:00.50`	`Kobaz`	`asterisk -rx "<the astrisk command>"`
`15:00.51`	`sgtpepper`	`asterisk -rx ' sip reload'`
`15:00.57`	`Kobaz`	`you can run any console command from asterisk -rx`
`15:01.02`	`sgtpepper`	`I just learned that sip reload is very very evil in realtime`
`15:01.03`	`sgtpepper`	`lol`
`15:01.13`	`Kobaz`	`i do static realtime`
`15:01.15`	`yang`	`[TK]D-Fender: Which phones would you recommend for a middle-sized company setup (30 phones). They should be in the 100-150 USD price range. Most of the time I have worked with Grandsteams, but the overall experience was bad. I was thinking towards Linksys models ?`
`15:01.16`	`Kobaz`	`it's much safer`
`15:01.25`	`Kobaz`	`yang: polycom 330`
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`15:01.36`	`sgtpepper`	`Kobaz: What do you mean with static realtime`
`15:02.22`	`Kobaz`	`static realtime, as in, get config from database, but it'`
`15:02.26`	`Kobaz`	`'s stored in memory`
`15:02.29`	`raden_work`	`Kobaz, thank you :)`
`15:02.31`	`Kobaz`	`and doesn't query the db for every request`
`15:02.51`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`yang: What kind of calling needs? What kind of available wiring?`
`15:02.51`	`sgtpepper`	`googled it, got it`
`15:03.26`	`yang`	`[TK]D-Fender: SIP connections over Internet VoIP uplink`
`15:03.27`	`Kobaz`	`you need to do a sip reload when you change things in the db, but who cares`
`15:03.41`	`Kobaz`	`it's the same as basically storing the configs in a file, but you have the niceness of a db`
`15:03.55`	`Kobaz`	`and you don't lose features like mwi and i forgot what else`
`15:04.13`	`sgtpepper`	`mwi still works with realtime using rtcache`
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`15:04.28`	`sgtpepper`	`the thing is, if I change something on realtime, I still have to sip prune or smthg`
`15:04.49`	`Kobaz`	`sgtpepper: oh, hmm, i remember reading mwi was broken with realtime`
`15:06.04`	`yang`	`[TK]D-Fender: up to 3 city-wide locations, connected to central VoIP server via SIp, which sends and accepts calls via VoIP provider`
`15:07.10`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`yang: what kind of volume?`
`15:08.34`	`yang`	`[TK]D-Fender: Well I think 15-20 channels`
`15:08.53`	`yang`	`[TK]D-Fender: not sure about the volume, I would say ordinary calls, a few per day`
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`15:17.14`	`Saleh`	`hello`
`15:17.36`	`Saleh`	`any one using asterisk from SVN-trunk`
`15:17.52`	`Saleh`	`i can not compile app_swift`
`15:20.24`	`jeeger`	`Damn, this Zaptel error has me dumbfounded. Asterisk doesn't give out any more information than "It has detected a prolbem with your Zaptel configuration"`
`15:21.26`	`jeeger`	`the card works in all zapata debug/diagnostic tools`
`15:21.26`	`jeeger`	`but not in asterisk`
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`15:28.38`	`lirakis`	`raden_work asterisk -rx reload`
`15:29.19`	`lirakis`	`oh sorry im late to the game on that`
`15:29.21`	`lirakis`	`lol`
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`15:32.03`	`cusco`	`hi`
`15:32.12`	`cusco`	`when is the next stable release comming out?`
`15:32.51`	`ChannelZ`	`as soon as it's stable`
`15:33.32`	`leifmadsen`	`it is not referred to as stable`
`15:33.37`	`leifmadsen`	`it is referred to as 'release'`
`15:33.54`	`leifmadsen`	`and as in all open source projects, the answer is "when it's ready"`
`15:34.00`	`Kobaz`	`heh`
`15:34.10`	`cusco`	`yea, I use debian..`
`15:34.16`	`cusco`	`right, so the next stable is at the moment in release candidate?`
`15:34.31`	`leifmadsen`	`yes, just like asterisk.org states`
`15:34.57`	`leifmadsen`	`there is nothing hidden. We're not keeping the next release hidden and in use just for our glorious delight`
`15:35.32`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`cusco: Debian's definition of "stable" is pretty clsoe to "archaic" and "nothing so stable as a dead stop"`
`15:35.49`	`yang`	`[TK]D-Fender: so, any idea?`
`15:35.59`	`cusco`	`[TK]D-Fender: I meant the "when its ready" bit`
`15:36.03`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`yang: Where are you located?`
`15:36.03`	`cusco`	`ok, right now I have a problem with dahdi, when I do /etc/init.d/dahdi restart - what it does, it removes the module wcte12xp`
`15:36.08`	`cusco`	`and modprobes it again`
`15:36.13`	`yang`	`[TK]D-Fender: I am in Europe (Austria)`
`15:36.17`	`cusco`	`it freezes while removing it`
`15:36.22`	`cusco`	`I can't remove that module`
`15:36.37`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`yang: I normally recommend Polycom IP 321's for small usage, but I'd price out Linksys to compare.`
`15:36.43`	`cusco`	`ERROR: Removing 'wcte12xp': Device or resource \\ ERROR: Module dahdi_voicebus is in use by wcte12xp \\ ERROR: Module dahdi is in use by wcte12xp,dahdi_voicebus`
`15:37.09`	`Chesther`	`Okay... am I being daft? I'm trying to run * 1.6.1.6 as non-root. In /etc/asterisk/asterisk/conf, I have set astrundir=/var/run/asterisk. It's still trying to put the pid file in /var/run, which it can't do.`
`15:37.14`	`cusco`	`any help'`
`15:37.15`	`cusco`	`?`
`15:37.16`	`yang`	`[TK]D-Fender: have you worked with Linksys phones, what was your experience ?`
`15:37.44`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`yang: they are OK, but I only recommend them where the cost factor warrants it`
`15:37.52`	`yang`	`[TK]D-Fender: ok`
`15:38.00`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Chesther: Go look at your asterisk.conf`
`15:38.44`	`Chesther`	`[TK]D-Fender: Anything other than "astrundir => /var/run/asterisk" ?`
`15:38.52`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Chesther: Yes`
`15:39.12`	`Chesther`	`Oh, crap. There it is.`
`15:39.19`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Chesther: :)`
`15:39.19`	`Chesther`	`applies clue-by-4 to self.`
`15:39.28`	`beek`	`(tm)`
`15:39.47`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Chesther: thanks... I'm all worn out from this mornings earlier escapades...`
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`15:40.22`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Chesther: You are at least significantly smarter than the average bear Yogi....`
`15:40.49`	`Chesther`	`So, to answer my own question, yes I was being daft. In my defense, using '(!)' to comment out a section by default instead of prefixing lines with ';' is friggin' obscure.`
`15:40.58`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Chesther: Oh, I knew...`
`15:41.03`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Chesther: Fear not..`
`15:41.07`	`leifmadsen`	`Chesther: that's because (!) is not a comment, it is a template`
`15:41.56`	`Chesther`	`Right, but the effect in this case is the same.`
`15:42.21`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Chesther: Sure, clsoe enough`
`15:42.37`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Chesther: Esp when it does tell you directly twhat the impact is`
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`15:48.09`	`Katty`	`dances.`
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`15:50.56`	`eppigy`	`DANCE DANCE`
`15:51.47`	`Katty`	`jaytee: my lab results came back.`
`15:52.27`	`Katty`	`jaytee: apparently, there is nothing wrong with me.`
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`15:52.56`	`Katty`	`i'm just having psychotic hot flashes in the middle of the night for no apparent reason ^_-`
`15:53.37`	`beek`	`that's comforting.`
`15:54.52`	`Katty`	`i still say it's the bloody drugs`
`15:54.57`	`Katty`	`THE DRUGS I TELL YOU`
`15:55.06`	`Qwell`	`INTERVENTION!`
`15:55.42`	`Katty`	`yes.`
`15:55.46`	`Katty`	`someone needs to intervene.`
`15:55.48`	`Katty`	`i need a new GP.`
`15:55.53`	`Katty`	`perhaps a specialist.`
`15:56.02`	`Katty`	`someone who knows how to handle a hypochondriac like myself.`
`15:56.15`	`Katty`	`I NEED A CANCER VACINATION STAT`
`15:57.06`	`p3nguin`	`I'm currently pursuing a career as a freelance gynecologist.`
`15:57.16`	`Katty`	`i have no need for a gynecologist.`
`15:57.21`	`Katty`	`i have one.`
`15:57.35`	`p3nguin`	`I joke.`
`15:57.46`	`Naikrovek`	`freelance gyno. wtf lol omg bbq`
`15:58.09`	`Naikrovek`	`that's a ticket to the slammer, i bet`
`15:58.10`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`~drmessano`
`15:58.10`	`infobot`	`[drmessano] the leading cause of censorship in #asterisk, maybe a Doctor, not really a mess um a no..... The Doctor is accepting new patients, <drmessano> I am not a OB/GYN but I'll have a look anyway, and is earning his reputation daily`
`15:58.10`	`p3nguin`	`rotfl`
`15:58.46`	`jaytee`	`[TK]D-Fender, if I want to change the asterisk verision on my test machine from 1.6.0.15 to 1.6.0.12 can I just compile the older version and do a make install?`
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`15:58.57`	`Hatrix`	`O MY GOD`
`15:59.01`	`Hatrix`	`it's happening ...`
`15:59.06`	`Hatrix`	`the madness`
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`16:00.25`	`wcselby`	`howdy howdy`
`16:01.05`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`jaytee: trash your modules folder, and yes... please consider DAHDI release compatibility`
`16:01.37`	`jaytee`	`[TK]D-Fender, thanks`
`16:02.13`	`Katty`	`Hatrix: orly.`
`16:02.45`	`Hatrix`	`Katty: sorry, i have a girlfriend, but thanx :-)`
`16:02.56`	`Katty`	`ha`
`16:03.06`	`Hatrix`	`ah, sorry, i misread ....`
`16:03.09`	`Katty`	`Hatrix: i'm not looking (=`
`16:03.23`	`Katty`	`has been in a relationship for quite some time now.`
`16:03.25`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Lunch time...`
`16:03.33`	`Katty`	`[TK]D-Fender: what are you making me.`
`16:03.41`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Katty: Nervous?`
`16:03.46`	`wcselby`	`lol`
`16:03.51`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`:p`
`16:03.55`	`Katty`	`lol`
`16:04.00`	`Katty`	`well aren't you just tricksy today!`
`16:04.17`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Katty: I am the sharpest tool in the shed ;)`
`16:04.38`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`goes to hone Mr. Pointy.`
`16:04.51`	`coppice`	`abrasives tend to be sharp`
`16:06.38`	`Hatrix`	`why, can someone tell me why? why is VOIP and H263/H264 hating me so, so, sooo much`
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`16:07.42`	`Naikrovek`	`anyone use Amazon EC2`
`16:07.57`	`Hatrix`	`no, we are real men ...`
`16:08.57`	`Gumug_`	`unless you're a woman`
`16:09.10`	`Naikrovek`	`what does manhood have to do with EC2`
`16:09.12`	`Hatrix`	`yeah, i was just thinking about Katty`
`16:09.34`	`Hatrix`	`real men build their own datacenter!!`
`16:09.51`	`Naikrovek`	`not if it's smarter to use someone else's server. men are smart, don't forget`
`16:10.03`	`Naikrovek`	`thugs build things mindlessly`
`16:10.15`	`Naikrovek`	`men do thing smartly`
`16:10.41`	`Naikrovek`	`s/thing/things/`
`16:10.41`	`Hatrix`	`Naikrovek: not relying on one's another resources which can fail you misserably is not smart :-)`
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`16:11.19`	`Naikrovek`	`Hatrix: who says you rely on EC2. the virtual machines are transient, they're that way by design`
`16:12.25`	`Hatrix`	`i am an old guy, i stand by my statement: real men build their own datacenter, i am to old for this hippy stuff, ec2 ..., heck, what next? emc2?`
`16:12.46`	`Naikrovek`	`Hatrix: you could read up on it before you judge it, you know.`
`16:13.01`	`Naikrovek`	`i love the "if it didn't exist 20 years ago you don't need it" people`
`16:13.19`	`Hatrix`	`Naikrovek: why waist my time when i build my own datacenters anyway? i don't trust that whole cloud-crap`
`16:13.34`	`Naikrovek`	`if you build your own anyway, fine`
`16:13.36`	`Naikrovek`	`i don't`
`16:13.40`	`Chesther`	`I'm leery of EC2 for telephony because of the need for some real-time behavior in telephony.`
`16:14.01`	`Naikrovek`	`you guys are reading FAR too much into what i'm saying`
`16:14.07`	`Naikrovek`	`i asked so i could find out what people use it for`
`16:14.10`	`Chesther`	`I might end up putting some things into rackspacecloud.`
`16:14.22`	`Naikrovek`	`because, surprise, i can't thing of a good reason to use it if you're not a webhosting company`
`16:14.31`	`Hatrix`	`Naikrovek: in this point you are absolutly wrong, 20 years ago the mainframes where (pretty much what's no so hyped with cloud and virtualization) lightyears ahead of what begins emerging right now for pc's`
`16:14.34`	`Naikrovek`	`so, i wanted to find out if anyone used it for anything else`
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`16:15.01`	`Naikrovek`	`mainframes are centralized, cloud is not. virtual machiens are not.`
`16:15.28`	`Naikrovek`	`you have no idea what you're talking about with regard to modern things, and there's nothing wrong with that, just don't pretend ot know`
`16:15.30`	`iksik`	`nah... callerid problem... again ;/`
`16:15.31`	`Chesther`	`I still remember our IBM guys trying to come in and tell us that we should run linux VMs on our mainfram.e`
`16:16.11`	`Hatrix`	`Naikrovek: you could have the same the old days with the mainframes, virtualized hosts, moving from system to system, it's pretty much the same cloud, just not so pc-y`
`16:16.22`	`wcselby`	`i love this channel - ask a simple question, and it boils down into an argument`
`16:16.49`	`Naikrovek`	`wcselby: happens all the time to me. people who want to start arguments read a bunch of shit i didn't say into my questions`
`16:16.50`	`Chesther`	`Of course. If we didn't want flame wars, why would we be on IRC?`
`16:17.06`	`Katty`	`flame wars?`
`16:17.07`	`Katty`	`perks up`
`16:17.35`	`Naikrovek`	`Hatrix: what if i shoot your mainframe with a machine gun. what happens to all those virtual machines? they die. with a cloud they come right back up`
`16:17.53`	`Katty`	`unless the cloud catches on fire.`
`16:17.58`	`Naikrovek`	`Hatrix: educate yourself on this before you argue further`
`16:17.58`	`Katty`	`in 2012.`
`16:18.05`	`Hatrix`	`Naikrovek: therefore you have backup's, and if you are clever, in another outside branch`
`16:18.06`	`wcselby`	`do the clouds rain?`
`16:18.16`	`Katty`	`not on my happy day they won't!`
`16:18.26`	`Katty`	`shares umbrella with wcselby`
`16:18.32`	`wcselby`	`lol`
`16:19.11`	`Katty`	`wcselby: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUFuqiOlXGg`
`16:19.49`	`Hatrix`	`Naikrovek: boy, i don't wanna argue anymore, my time is short, i like it seeing the young kids being so excited over the same old technology, just new buzzwords and a few new definitions and, yeah, well, "now on pc too" ...`
`16:20.21`	`Naikrovek`	`Hatrix: except it's not the same. and you're assuming that I'm young, which I'm not. And you're assuming that I don't know how to use a mainframe, which I do.`
`16:20.35`	`wcselby`	`Katty - lol`
`16:20.36`	`Naikrovek`	`your entire argument is built on falsehoods`
`16:20.56`	`Hatrix`	`Naikrovek: if you say so ...`
`16:21.00`	`Naikrovek`	`i /OWN/ an IBM 360.`
`16:21.20`	`Hatrix`	`Naikrovek: congratulations !`
`16:21.21`	`Naikrovek`	`I have adminstered dozens of IBM mainframes for hospitals and insurance companies`
`16:21.27`	`Naikrovek`	`you're not talking to an idiot here`
`16:21.37`	`Naikrovek`	`nor are you speaking to someone that is inexperienced`
`16:21.50`	`Hatrix`	`Naikrovek: i assumed so much as I for sure would not have talked to you otherwise!`
`16:22.10`	`Naikrovek`	`THANK YOU SIR!`
`16:22.18`	`Naikrovek`	`GOOD DAY!`
`16:22.20`	`Naikrovek`	`lol`
`16:22.28`	`Naikrovek`	`what happened to that`
`16:22.41`	`Naikrovek`	`what happened to telling someone to go away by saying "good day, sir. i said good day!"`
`16:22.48`	`Naikrovek`	`i love etiquette`
`16:22.53`	`ChannelZ`	`glove-slaps Naikrovek`
`16:23.00`	`Naikrovek`	`I ACCEPT SIR!`
`16:23.14`	`Hatrix`	`oh boy, the kid's on it again ...`
`16:23.22`	`Naikrovek`	`hah`
`16:24.59`	`sircolin`	`can anyone tell me what type of number is a 888 388 xxx - usa ?`
`16:25.13`	`ChannelZ`	`yes toll-free`
`16:25.14`	`Naikrovek`	`is that a 9 digit number or a 10 digit number`
`16:25.27`	`ChannelZ`	`(888-388-xxxx not xxx tho)`
`16:25.35`	`Naikrovek`	`yes, that's a toll-free number`
`16:25.53`	`sircolin`	`10 digit thank channel yes 10`
`16:26.12`	`ChannelZ`	`wait, that's my mom's number!`
`16:26.23`	`Naikrovek`	`xxxx?`
`16:26.32`	`sircolin`	`lmao`
`16:26.33`	`ChannelZ`	`heh`
`16:26.50`	`sircolin`	`it was lylix's number`
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`16:29.09`	`Hatrix`	`ok, now something which seriosly bothers my, why does my linker not link app_mp4.so to /usr/lib/libmp4v2.so, isn't the ldd system supposed to create a reference to this file?`
`16:29.28`	`Hatrix`	`if i start asterisk, i get: Error loading module 'app_mp4.so': /usr/lib/asterisk/modules/app_mp4.so: undefined symbol: MP4WriteRtpHint`
`16:30.05`	`tnt_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`16:31.04`	`ChannelZ`	`Hatrix: do you get a linker error when you build asterisk?`
`16:31.23`	`Hatrix`	`ChannelZ: no, that's what puzzling me, the build process is fine`
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`16:31.42`	`Hatrix`	`and this frustrates the hell out of me`
`16:32.08`	`Naikrovek`	`throw a mainframe at it?`
`16:32.15`	`Naikrovek`	`i kid`
`16:32.17`	`Naikrovek`	`slightly`
`16:32.24`	`Hatrix`	`Naikrovek: haha, i know you was kidding, but funny`
`16:32.32`	`Naikrovek`	`thanks`
`16:32.36`	`Qwell`	`Hatrix: Where did you get app_mp4? O.o`
`16:32.43`	`Naikrovek`	`once a year i'm funny and i just used it on a mainframe joke`
`16:33.05`	`Hatrix`	`Naikrovek: i guess i owe you an apology, i just took out me frustration on you and you where playing so nicely along`
`16:33.06`	`ChannelZ`	`hmm I would say it's a mismatch of library or something`
`16:33.09`	`Qwell`	`Hatrix: if it isn't building, you'll need to askthe author to update it`
`16:33.39`	`Naikrovek`	`Hatrix: it's cool. accepted.`
`16:33.40`	`Hatrix`	`Qwell: i downloaded it with wget somewhere, very difficult to get as all the links in voip-info.org seem to be dead`
`16:33.50`	`Qwell`	`There's probably a reason for that`
`16:35.22`	`Hatrix`	`Qwell: it's building fine, that's the point, i have no build/link error, .... i am not sure how ldd works, if it's lazy i do when i need it linker or if it actually makes a reference in the so file ...`
`16:35.22`	`Hatrix`	`dunno`
`16:35.22`	`Hatrix`	`freaks me out`
`16:35.33`	`Qwell`	`Hatrix: okay, well, what I said doesn't really change. You'll still need to get the author to fix it.`
`16:36.02`	`Hatrix`	`i don't think it's a problem with the source-code`
`16:36.13`	`p3nguin`	`quietly munches on Butterkeks`
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`16:36.35`	`Chesther`	`It sounds like a problem with the makefile to me.`
`16:36.47`	`Chesther`	`The final .so isn't being linked against the right libraries.`
`16:36.49`	`Hatrix`	`how do app_* thingies tell the make-file where which libraries to use?`
`16:37.19`	`Chesther`	`No, the makefile tells the compiler and linker how to put it together.`
`16:37.20`	`Hatrix`	`Chesther: yeah i was thinking about the makefile as well, seems that somehow the configure process has a problem`
`16:37.30`	`Chesther`	`Right.`
`16:38.13`	`Hatrix`	`but where do i change it? where do i tell the configure to add the libraries for app_mp4 ...`
`16:38.38`	`Chesther`	`<PROTECTED>`
`16:38.39`	`ChannelZ`	`you probably have an old version of the library, or the app_mp4 module was written using a different version of it than what you've got`
`16:38.42`	`Hatrix`	`this is where i am not really fit (well, don't lets talk about fitness) ...`
`16:38.56`	`Chesther`	`Otherwise, hack the Makefile by hand and to heck with configure.`
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`16:40.21`	`Hatrix`	`What I do not get is this, the app_mp4 is an 3rd party product, so, now do these normally fit nicely into the build system? since the web-site for the app is not accessable i am stuck ... i guess i really have to dig into the makefile manually`
`16:40.45`	`Qwell`	`Hatrix: This is why we encourage people to contribute their stuff for inclusion..`
`16:41.11`	`Hatrix`	`Qwell: i guess with app_mp4 the problems are licensing the video codecs ...`
`16:41.54`	`Hatrix`	`but since like 0.02465 percent of the users of asterisk actually care about video (right now) it's a figure it yourself thingy i guess`
`16:42.09`	`Qwell`	`Why not just use some other format that is supported in Asterisk?`
`16:42.23`	`Qwell`	`it's not exactly difficult to transcode video`
`16:43.03`	`ChannelZ`	`Hatrix: It seems like from what I'm reading bits and pieces of, you need mpeg4ip not libmp4`
`16:43.50`	`ChannelZ`	`hmm although I see both called the same thing..`
`16:44.04`	`Hatrix`	`Qwell: that is my whole problem: I need to get a video stream from a tandberg gear, sent via SIP to asterisk, to file, i can get the file (h263 or h264) but these are, and that's nuts, asterisk proprietery files (rtp stream + embedded timing information). The only tools i found are ffasterisk which are from 2006 and they do not work in the Asterisk => something direction ... so i tried quite a bunch of stuff but I am stuck, if you have`
`16:44.04`	`Hatrix`	`iedea ...`
`16:44.49`	`Hatrix`	`ChannelZ: I have both installed, mpeg4ip handles the video and libmp4 handles the audio, as far as i can tell`
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`16:45.17`	`Qwell`	`proprietary?`
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`16:45.21`	`Qwell`	`it's h263...`
`16:45.30`	`ChannelZ`	`well I'm willing to bet it's a specific version of the library(ies) you need`
`16:45.38`	`Hatrix`	`Qwell: no, it's not, it's rtp + asterisk specific timing information`
`16:46.00`	`Qwell`	`I assure you, it's not.`
`16:46.58`	`Hatrix`	`voip-info.org, search for video, first entry, middle of page: Currently, Asterisk dumps the content of RTP packets including some timing information in .h263, ph263p, .h264 files.`
`16:47.06`	`Qwell`	`It's wrong.`
`16:48.02`	`Hatrix`	`if it only would be, i could NOT get ffmpeg or mplayer or vlc to transcode these files to anything useful, they refused because for them this was not a valid stream`
`16:49.11`	`Hatrix`	`Qwell: if you could tell me how to dump and transcode the file from my video gear (tandberg) with asterisk i would be the happiest of men (at least a couple of hours)`
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`16:49.30`	`Qwell`	`Record(file.format)`
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`16:50.12`	`Hatrix`	`Qwell: yeah, and with this recorded files (which produces an audio and a video file) i can not do anything ...`
`16:50.29`	`Qwell`	`then ask Tandberg what they're sending you`
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`16:52.19`	`Hatrix`	`Qwell: I know what tandberg is sending, it's valid data, i can see it if i turn on streaming, but, because their streaming mode is intended for web it's only bad h263-1998 which is h261, i need better quality, which they are sending when using sip, i just need the video audio ...`
`16:52.21`	`Hatrix`	`from asterisk`
`16:52.25`	`Hatrix`	`and i don't get it`
`16:52.48`	`Qwell`	`So, you're wondering why a player can't play h261 when it claims to be h263?`
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`16:53.59`	`Hatrix`	`Qwell: no, you misunderstood me, h261 works well, but i need better quality, which only goes over sip, sip -> asterisk -> file file != good`
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`16:55.05`	`ecrist`	`hey folks, working on setting up a fax server with hylafax. just have it set up with a couple USR modems via serial now, but we're expecting high loads when we go productions and we're planning for a T1, it's it going to be best to terminate the T1 with a Sangoma card, route it through asterisk and use IAXmodems fed into Hylafax from there?`
`16:55.17`	`ecrist`	`or does someone else have a better solution?`
`16:59.02`	`ChannelZ`	`FAX die die die`
`16:59.41`	`hardwire`	`ChannelZ: ^5`
`17:01.00`	`ecrist`	`ok, the anti-fax sentiments aside, any ideas?`
`17:01.10`	`coppice`	`ecrist: that should work OK`
`17:01.22`	`ChannelZ`	`no but what you say sounds good if it all works`
`17:02.19`	`Chesther`	`It strikes me as at least as sane as faxing can get.`
`17:02.25`	`ecrist`	`is there anything else I need to terminate the voice channels from the T1 other than Asterisk and a Sangoma card?`
`17:02.52`	`ecrist`	`<- works in health care, faxing is still the norm.`
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`17:04.14`	`ChannelZ`	`phones?`
`17:05.21`	`ChannelZ`	`I mean with just a T1, Asterisk and a card, you either are talking about all IP phones`
`17:05.52`	`ChannelZ`	`or need to get an analog card too to terminate POTS phones`
`17:06.13`	`ecrist`	`IAXmodems are voip`
`17:06.45`	`ecrist`	`will be routed to Hylafax over loopback, so no jitter/packet loss`
`17:06.52`	`ChannelZ`	`right.. but is that ALL this * box is going to be doing then, is being a fax machine?`
`17:06.59`	`ecrist`	`yes`
`17:07.10`	`ChannelZ`	`oh. well nevermind then`
`17:07.20`	`ecrist`	`20,000 to 40,000 faxes per week`
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`17:08.00`	`Naikrovek`	`holy cow`
`17:08.04`	`ChannelZ`	`how do you send them? you do email something to the hylafax server or something?`
`17:08.12`	`ChannelZ`	`(I've never used hylafax)`
`17:08.13`	`ecrist`	`no, receive system only.`
`17:08.15`	`coppice`	`ecrist: don't assume loopback == no packet loss. test for it. if that is OK on your system you should be fine. 40k per week is a fairly light load`
`17:08.37`	`Naikrovek`	`light load, really? i've received one fax my entire life`
`17:08.40`	`ecrist`	`coppice: I'm not smart enough to come up with that setup on my own, it's what I've found has worked for others`
`17:09.28`	`ecrist`	`via google searches and the like`
`17:09.39`	`ecrist`	`just doing some homework 'confirming' the idea works, in theory`
`17:10.14`	`coppice`	`if you have packet loss, trying to cure it can get interesting :-\ if you don't it should be plain sailing`
`17:11.08`	`ecrist`	`coppice: I'm thinking we'll try to do IAXmodems and loopback, if that doesn't work, I'll convert it all to analog and find a pallet of USR modems on ebay. ;)`
`17:12.09`	`coppice`	`don't do that. USR modems are great for data, but give terrible trouble for FAX. iaxmodem works`
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`17:22.42`	`feder`	`Hellow everyone`
`17:23.22`	`Naikrovek`	`hola`
`17:23.46`	`feder`	`I'm experiencing same difficulties with skype4asterisk..... most of the times skype-clients cant connect to the skype in my asterisk`
`17:24.01`	`feder`	`no debug or error given on the asterisk side`
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`17:25.10`	`yang`	`[TK]D-Fender: still around ?`
`17:25.16`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`yang: Maybe`
`17:25.56`	`yang`	`[TK]D-Fender: Regarding your Polycom 321 phone, I can only find 300/320/330 with current supplier, is 321 a newer model ?`
`17:26.34`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`yang: 321/331 replaced the 320/330. Do not accept a substitute`
`17:26.50`	`yang`	`They actually have a friendly price`
`17:26.54`	`yang`	`ok`
`17:27.04`	`Kobaz`	`what's the price?`
`17:27.17`	`Kobaz`	`if it's considerably cheaper, the 320,330's are fine, been using them for a while`
`17:27.31`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Kobaz: 1.5 arms, 1 leg, and your first-born ;)`
`17:27.34`	`Kobaz`	`321/331 has a bigger rom, is the biggest difference`
`17:27.52`	`Kobaz`	`heh`
`17:28.45`	`yang`	`[TK]D-Fender: anyway its weird that also on German official website only 320/330 are presented`
`17:29.34`	`yang`	`Kobaz: 300/70 EUR 320/84 EUR 330/110 EUR (voipango.de)`
`17:31.12`	`Kobaz`	`what's that in usd?`
`17:31.33`	`yang`	`use google`
`17:31.49`	`Kobaz`	`i was hoping someone else would`
`17:31.49`	`yang`	`"70 eur to usd"`
`17:32.01`	`Kobaz`	`yeah i know google does exchange rates`
`17:32.06`	`yang`	`multiply by 1.40`
`17:32.36`	`Kobaz`	`i would say it's not worth getting them then`
`17:32.45`	`Kobaz`	`might as well get the xx1 models for the same price`
`17:33.51`	`yang`	`But from where, I don't want to import them from USA, I wonder if they are avialable in Europe`
`17:34.12`	`Kobaz`	`dunno`
`17:36.34`	`feder`	`Naikrovek: holas`
`17:36.42`	`Naikrovek`	`hiya`
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`17:39.36`	`Mango`	`I want to set up a calling card system for my family. Will DISA have my home Asterisk box proxy the audio, or will it go directly from Pay Phone -> VoIP provider -> Called party?`
`17:40.42`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`mangDISA = meaningless.`
`17:40.49`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Mango: DISA = meaningless.`
`17:41.04`	`Mango`	`Ah, ok.`
`17:41.14`	`Mango`	`So it acts just like any other call and depends on the canreinvite setting?`
`17:41.16`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Mango: And you have not described the pathc for each calls`
`17:41.19`	`eppigy`	`i love mango`
`17:41.33`	`eppigy`	`quality dried mango is awesome`
`17:41.49`	`Mango`	`I made a pie once with dried mango and fresh mango. And nothing else.`
`17:41.51`	`Mango`	`It was DIVINE.`
`17:42.02`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`sends Mango to God....`
`17:42.11`	`Mango`	`;)`
`17:42.31`	`Mango`	`[TK]D-Fender: Ideally, the path would be Pay Phone -> VoIP provider -> Called party.`
`17:42.42`	`eppigy`	`girl i will clothe you in grape leaves and feed you mango`
`17:42.52`	`Mango`	`I'm male and married.`
`17:42.53`	`Mango`	`But thanks.`
`17:42.57`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Mango: And where is this magically "called party" and how do you GET to them?`
`17:43.06`	`sponger`	`lol`
`17:43.08`	`eppigy`	`quite arrogant of you to assume I meant you`
`17:43.17`	`sponger`	`LOL`
`17:43.20`	`Mango`	`With my Asterisk box in between to authenticate and give a dial tone.`
`17:43.28`	`Mango`	`I didn't assume, but just wanted to make things clear!`
`17:43.33`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Mango: He means he'll dice you up to feed to someone else ;)`
`17:43.40`	`eppigy`	`^`
`17:43.56`	`Mango`	`hits eppigy with a mango`
`17:43.56`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Mango: Watch for commas... they can KILL.`
`17:44.02`	`eppigy`	`8[]`
`17:44.34`	`hardwire`	`did newcdr die or get merged completely?`
`17:46.13`	`Corydon76-dig`	`Mango: do you have a short skirt made of pom-poms that you dance in?`
`17:46.31`	`Mango`	`[TK]D-Fender: Did you need any more information to answer my question?`
`17:46.41`	`eppigy`	`he went there`
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`17:47.01`	`Corydon76-dig`	`eppigy: Chris Kattan is hot`
`17:47.16`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`[13:43]<Mango>With my Asterisk box in between to authenticate and give a dial tone. <--- lets try this again`
`17:47.23`	`Mango`	`Right.`
`17:47.41`	`Mango`	`I call my toll-free.`
`17:47.48`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`[13:42]<[TK]D-Fender>Mango: And where is this magically "called party" and how do you GET to them? <- how the &#^$ do you CALL THEM? Voice doesn't travel magically over the air from Asterisk.`
`17:48.03`	`Mango`	`My Asterisk box answers, asks for a password, and if correct, gives me a dial tone.`
`17:48.10`	`eppigy`	`Corydon76-dig: I am not really into dudes but will take this under advisement with respect for your opinion`
`17:48.16`	`Mango`	`I dial a number.`
`17:48.26`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Mango: Call comes IN via 1 resource. Call goes OUT via a resource. Identify them individually`
`17:48.31`	`eppigy`	`i mean unless we are talking christian bale`
`17:48.35`	`eppigy`	`YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN`
`17:48.50`	`Corydon76-dig`	`eppigy: not really into dudes or not into dudes?`
`17:49.00`	`Mango`	`My Asterisk box says, "Hey VoIP provider! Create Resource 2 and conference it in with Resource 1 and leave me out of it!"`
`17:49.25`	`eppigy`	`i do not enter into any sexual activity with dudes`
`17:49.36`	`p3nguin`	`unless he's hot.`
`17:49.36`	`Corydon76-dig`	`eppigy: because the first one sounds to me like a curiosity waiting to be satiated`
`17:49.41`	`eppigy`	`lol`
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`17:49.42`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Mango: Ok, I see this is going to be a fight for a straight answer... I've already blown my vein quota for the day...`
`17:49.44`	`eppigy`	`so I have been told`
`17:50.12`	`Mango`	`[TK]D-Fender: I apologize; I'm not entirely sure how to make it any more specific. If I was, I wouldn't be here ;)`
`17:50.18`	`Mango`	`That's what I'm asking!`
`17:50.27`	`eppigy`	`u mad?`
`17:50.34`	`Hatrix`	`Corydon76-dig: Cotton is hot as well`
`17:50.35`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Mango: NEVER bet that an ITSp will let you stand out of the way.`
`17:50.37`	`p3nguin`	`[tk]d-fender: Let me pull the teeth for you...`
`17:50.49`	`wcselby`	`Mango - what's your inbound trunk and what's your outbound trunk? VoIP providers? PRI? etc`
`17:50.57`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`p3nguin: You can borrow my ClueBat (tm) for it... far faster`
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`17:51.09`	`p3nguin`	`mango: How does your * box receive the call? SIP trunk, Zaptel/POTS, etc`
`17:51.14`	`Mango`	`[TK]D-Fender: I can do blind transfer with my phone.`
`17:51.18`	`Hatrix`	`just because i am curios, what does ITSP exactly mean? Internet Telephony Service Provider? i guess so`
`17:51.22`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`~itsp`
`17:51.23`	`infobot`	`[~itsp] An ITSP is an Internet telephony Service Provider or "VoIP Telephone company". The allow you to either PLACE calls to the PSTN (called Termination), RECEIVE calls from the PSTN (called Origination), or both. Some offer fixed rates, others $/min. Enter ~itsplist-us (USA) or ~itsplist-ca (Canada) for a listing of popular ITSPs`
`17:51.24`	`Mango`	`wcselby and p3nguin: SIP from VoIP.ms`
`17:51.38`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`[13:51]<Mango>[TK]D-Fender: I can do blind transfer with my phone.<- Meaningless`
`17:51.41`	`p3nguin`	`mango: How does the call go back out once you get the dial tone?`
`17:51.50`	`wcselby`	`Mango - so you've got SIP inbound and SIP outbound both tested and confirmed working without doing the calling card bit?`
`17:52.02`	`Mango`	`p3nguin: SIP over VoIP.ms as well.`
`17:52.04`	`Mango`	`wcselby: Correct.`
`17:52.06`	`wcselby`	`i.e from a phone connected to your * box?`
`17:52.20`	`Hatrix`	`~isplist-es`
`17:52.25`	`p3nguin`	`[tk]d-fender: Looks like he's got SIP for origination and termination. You can take it from here, right?`
`17:52.29`	`Hatrix`	`~itsplist-es`
`17:52.32`	`ChannelZ`	`I can do a blind transfer with my phone. I don't look at the keys.`
`17:52.34`	`wcselby`	`mango - okay, show us what happens when you try to make the call (cli output and sip debug put into a pastebin)`
`17:52.40`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`p3nguin: No, I can't take it anymore...`
`17:52.44`	`p3nguin`	`heh`
`17:53.23`	`wcselby`	`mango - i mean, show us an example of it not doing what you want it to`
`17:53.36`	`Chesther`	`passes [TK]D-Fender a beer.`
`17:54.47`	`Mango`	`wcselby: I'll give it a try and come on back. I was hoping to find out if it was possible to do what I want before I tinkered with it.`
`17:55.17`	`Hatrix`	`~itsplist-us`
`17:55.18`	`infobot`	`methinks itsplist-us is Here are some popular ITSPs (USA) starting with the more respected ones : http://www.teliax.com , http://www.voicepulse.com/connect/ , http://www.broadvoice.com, http://www.jnctn.com , http://www.bandwidth.com , http://vitelity.net`
`17:55.30`	`ChannelZ`	`what is the interface supposed to be like? They call your * box and get a prompt to punch in a code and what number they want to dial?`
`17:55.40`	`Mango`	`ChannelZ: Exactly.`
`17:55.41`	`wcselby`	`mango - oh sorry thought you were dealing with an actual call failure.`
`17:55.49`	`Mango`	`np :)`
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`17:56.34`	`ChannelZ`	`So what is the question again? 'is it possible' or 'how do I actually do it'?`
`17:56.39`	`p3nguin`	`Oh, there wasn't an actual problem?`
`17:56.53`	`p3nguin`	`It's certainly possible to set up your box for calling card features.`
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`17:57.38`	`Mango`	`p3nguin: Yes of course, but is it possible to do it without my box proxying the audio?`
`17:57.48`	`Mango`	`Is it just a matter of setting canreinvite properly?`
`17:57.49`	`p3nguin`	`doubtful`
`17:58.08`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Mango: "core show application transfer" <- if "canreinvite=yes" doesn't get you out of the loop, then this is your only chance`
`17:58.19`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Mango: And it might not work period`
`17:58.29`	`Mango`	`Excellent; thanks.`
`17:58.33`	`Mango`	`I'll give it a shot :)`
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`18:00.14`	`p3nguin`	`I thought that with SIP your box needed to stay in the loop always. Guess I was misinformed.`
`18:00.34`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`p3nguin: Depends on both sides`
`18:01.10`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Mango: Actually... forget transfer(). You won't be able to do billing....`
`18:01.17`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Mango: Canreinvite, or bust`
`18:01.17`	`Mango`	`That's okay.`
`18:01.26`	`Mango`	`It's just for my family members.`
`18:01.38`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Mango: Oh, OK then`
`18:01.38`	`Mango`	`If I started billing my wife for the phone I think I'd be sleeping on the sofa for a bit.`
`18:01.49`	`Chesther`	`If you were lucky it would be the sofa. :-)`
`18:01.54`	`Mango`	`Very true :)`
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`18:02.11`	`Chesther`	`There's a reason I've been reluctant to build a dog house at our new place.`
`18:02.26`	`Naikrovek`	`just build a really nice one with cable and a flatscreen tv`
`18:02.31`	`Chesther`	`True.`
`18:02.43`	`Chesther`	`(Yeah, hon, the dog likes to watch CNN)`
`18:02.44`	`Naikrovek`	`like a two-room palace`
`18:03.29`	`Mango`	`chuckles`
`18:03.42`	`Naikrovek`	`build it up in a tree for added awesomeness`
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`18:04.05`	`Chesther`	`Kinda hard to get the dog into it, then.`
`18:04.13`	`Naikrovek`	`Chesther: escalator`
`18:04.23`	`Naikrovek`	`or maybe just stairs`
`18:04.33`	`Naikrovek`	`don't want wife to get suspicious. escalator = mall`
`18:04.40`	`Naikrovek`	`afk`
`18:04.50`	`Chesther`	`My wife hates both escalators and malls.`
`18:05.06`	`sponger`	`chesther you are lucky`
`18:05.18`	`ChannelZ`	`Mango: but didn't you were both using the same provider? why do you want to do the billing as opposed to letting them call and pay themselves?`
`18:05.41`	`ChannelZ`	`s/didn't/didn't you say`
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`18:07.04`	`Mango`	`ChannelZ: I don't want to do billing.`
`18:07.19`	`Mango`	`Oh, I see what you mean.`
`18:07.33`	`Mango`	`Reason being is that card calls from pay phones here are $1+`
`18:07.48`	`Mango`	`Toll-free rates plus termination is $0.04/min ;)`
`18:08.25`	`ChannelZ`	`you have SIP pay phones?`
`18:08.50`	`Mango`	`Nope.`
`18:09.03`	`p3nguin`	`SIP pay phones? Cool.`
`18:09.08`	`Mango`	`I wish :P`
`18:09.24`	`ChannelZ`	`so you're hoping that your voip provider will reinvite the incoming call to the outgoing call which are both on their side`
`18:09.51`	`*** join/#asterisk jnfuller (n=jnfuller@99.199.153.211)`
`18:10.38`	`p3nguin`	`Sounds that way to me.`
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`18:11.06`	`p3nguin`	`The incoming call would be on the ITSP's box, the outgoing call would go through the ITSP's box... it might work.`
`18:11.44`	`Mango`	`nods`
`18:12.04`	`sponger`	`is NAT involved? i might have missed that part.`
`18:12.28`	`Mango`	`Asterisk is running on my router.`
`18:12.34`	`Mango`	`I'm actually not sure if it NATs itself or not.`
`18:12.38`	`sponger`	`ahhh`
`18:12.38`	`sponger`	`ok`
`18:12.47`	`sponger`	`thatmatters`
`18:12.56`	`Mango`	`will find out later`
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`18:17.21`	`darkdrgn2k3`	`Hey everyone,`
`18:17.29`	`darkdrgn2k3`	`can some one recommend a good sip phone for win32`
`18:17.44`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Ekiga`
`18:17.48`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`~ekiga`
`18:17.49`	`infobot`	`[~ekiga] Ekiga is an OSS SIP soft-phone for Windows, MacOSX, and Linux (Requires GTK+ which is included with the binary releases) that can be found at http://www.ekiga.org`
`18:17.52`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`~zoiper`
`18:17.52`	`infobot`	`[~zoiper] Zoiper (Formerly known as Idefisk) is a free SIP and IAX soft-phone for Windows, MacOSX, and Linux that can be found at http://www.zoiper.com`
`18:17.59`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`~eyebeam`
`18:18.00`	`infobot`	`[~eyebeam] eyeBeam is a NON-free SIP soft-phone for Windows, MacOSX, and Linux that can be downloaded from http://www.counterpath.com/ This includes licensed audio & video codecs and is full-featured.`
`18:18.27`	`darkdrgn2k3`	`bows`
`18:18.32`	`darkdrgn2k3`	`thank you yet again tk!`
`18:18.44`	`p3nguin`	`I like zoiper for Windows.`
`18:18.51`	`p3nguin`	`It just works. No complaints.`
`18:19.16`	`darkdrgn2k3`	`im using 3cx right now but it likes the crash randomly`
`18:19.16`	`sircolin`	`xlite rocks`
`18:19.39`	`darkdrgn2k3`	`doh! did i startr a religios thread again?`
`18:19.59`	`p3nguin`	`X-Lite seems too resource hungry.`
`18:20.28`	`sircolin`	`true but very easy setup for the end users`
`18:20.37`	`wcselby`	`eyebeam is the full version of xlite right?`
`18:20.53`	`Chesther`	`yeah.`
`18:22.31`	`darkdrgn2k3`	`bah stupid blue ooth mike sux`
`18:23.02`	`Chesther`	`It keeps dropping your Ts? :-)`
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`18:24.20`	`darkdrgn2k3`	`i need a new keyboard for the laptop :'(`
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`18:28.40`	`Naikrovek`	`probably got some gunk under the keypad part`
`18:28.43`	`Naikrovek`	`usually you can clean them out and make them work again`
`18:28.53`	`Naikrovek`	`provided there wasn't any corrosives spilled on it ever`
`18:29.17`	`darkdrgn2k3`	`Naikrovek: yeh but i'd rather send it out for "warenty" and make them give me new stuff :-D`
`18:29.24`	`darkdrgn2k3`	`just cant bare to part with it for a while :'`
`18:29.25`	`darkdrgn2k3`	`(`
`18:29.26`	`Naikrovek`	`that's true`
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`18:30.03`	`darkdrgn2k3`	`figure my beta win2k7 will be expiring soon... ill wipe it then , put the out of factory bs on it. (recovery disks) and send it out..`
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`18:34.02`	`darkdrgn2k3`	`ok got a question for you guys`
`18:34.12`	`darkdrgn2k3`	`i won an auction on ebay and under location it says "Item location: Free Shipping!!, Canada "`
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`18:34.45`	`darkdrgn2k3`	`but in the text it says " $12.00 Flat Rate Shipping & Handling"`
`18:35.09`	`wcselby`	`the Location is defined by user, the actual shipping rates are by auction`
`18:35.18`	`Naikrovek`	`he's trying to lure you in with the "free"`
`18:35.21`	`Naikrovek`	`like i said yesterday`
`18:35.24`	`wcselby`	`contact the seller if you're upset about it`
`18:35.39`	`darkdrgn2k3`	`well i tried contacting the seller like 3 times now`
`18:35.42`	`darkdrgn2k3`	`so far no response :-S`
`18:35.54`	`Mango`	`RED FLAG! RED FLAG!`
`18:35.56`	`Mango`	`:)`
`18:35.59`	`Naikrovek`	`yes`
`18:36.07`	`wcselby`	`how long between contact attempts?`
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`18:36.12`	`wcselby`	`like, hours? days?`
`18:36.14`	`darkdrgn2k3`	`won on friday,`
`18:36.15`	`Naikrovek`	`the really free things don't advertise it, like #asterisk`
`18:36.19`	`darkdrgn2k3`	`contacted on friday, sunday and again today`
`18:36.21`	`ManxPower-work`	`I can see why FreePBX people come here. #FreePBX really sucks`
`18:36.40`	`darkdrgn2k3`	`oh and monday to :-p`
`18:36.58`	`darkdrgn2k3`	`guy has 100% with 1400+ sales...`
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`18:38.14`	`wcselby`	`well the terms of the auction listed a flat rate of 12 for shipping, so you've agreed to pay that. bitch him out in his feedback`
`18:39.14`	`darkdrgn2k3`	`wcselby: fair enough but right now im apprehencive in giving him any money cause he has not responded once...`
`18:39.38`	`Yuda-israel1984`	`hey guys im kinda getting extreamly frustrated because i have been trying to get this asterisk server up and running and its becoming much harder then it was in the past can someone please help me and look at the following PB and see whats wrong`
`18:39.40`	`Yuda-israel1984`	`http://pastebin.com/me436aa2`
`18:40.14`	`darkdrgn2k3`	`and every one else says "smooth transaction" etc..`
`18:40.29`	`darkdrgn2k3`	`but im not missing anythign right`
`18:40.35`	`darkdrgn2k3`	`"ask a question" or "request amount"`
`18:40.43`	`wcselby`	`Yuda-israel1984 - you're trying to call SIP/MPC, but you don't have [MPC] defined in your sip.conf file anywhere`
`18:40.51`	`Yuda-israel1984`	`i do`
`18:40.54`	`wcselby`	`Yuda-israel1984 - at least, that's what I'm seeing from what little you posted`
`18:41.03`	`Yuda-israel1984`	`thats the thing i do have`
`18:41.38`	`wcselby`	`paste the relevant sections of your sip.conf and extensions.conf files and show us`
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`18:42.35`	`Yuda-israel1984`	`i will one second`
`18:44.24`	`darkdrgn2k3`	`wcselby: im not being a\|\\|al about this am i?`
`18:45.11`	`Yuda-israel1984`	`http://pastebin.com/m682eb4f6`
`18:45.35`	`bmoraca`	`so...regarding 800 numbers, who does everyone use for toll-free origination?`
`18:45.36`	`wcselby`	`darkdrgn2k3 - it's frustrating I agree`
`18:45.48`	`SuPrSluG`	`you need a host where host =`
`18:46.06`	`Yuda-israel1984`	`explain`
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`18:46.34`	`Yuda-israel1984`	`in general?`
`18:46.34`	`SuPrSluG`	`sip.conf you need to put an ip address or a url there`
`18:46.34`	`Yuda-israel1984`	`or in my mpc`
`18:46.42`	`Yuda-israel1984`	`context`
`18:46.45`	`SuPrSluG`	`in mpc.`
`18:46.54`	`Yuda-israel1984`	`i have it there`
`18:46.58`	`wcselby`	`Yuda-israel1984 - now let me see the [incoming_calls] section of your extensions.conf`
`18:47.08`	`wcselby`	`SuPrSluG - he took it out to hide it from us`
`18:47.09`	`SuPrSluG`	`and you'll need the password in secret`
`18:47.31`	`wcselby`	`SuPrSluG - at least, I hope he did`
`18:47.52`	`ManxPower-work`	`externip=xx.xx.xx.xx is not valid in a peer only in [general] . Your host= line is EMPTY and so will NOT WORK.`
`18:48.15`	`SuPrSluG`	`well when dialing it says it can't find the host. so`
`18:48.27`	`DigitalFlux-AFK`	`Setting a ZAP trunk for the first time ..`
`18:48.38`	`wcselby`	`SuPrSluG - good point`
`18:48.42`	`Yuda-israel1984`	`http://pastebin.com/me6542c5`
`18:48.52`	`ManxPower-work`	`SuPrSluG: that message could mean [MPC] is not defined or that host= is not defined in the [MPC] peer.`
`18:48.59`	`DigitalFlux-AFK`	`looks like the cards i am using is not identified by the system`
`18:49.05`	`Yuda-israel1984`	`of course those are`
`18:49.10`	`Yuda-israel1984`	`its all there`
`18:49.25`	`ManxPower-work`	`Yuda-israel1984: not in your pastebin they are not.`
`18:49.47`	`Yuda-israel1984`	`correct because i dont want to give every1 that info`
`18:50.07`	`ManxPower-work`	`Yuda-israel1984: then we cannot help you.`
`18:50.09`	`DigitalFlux-AFK`	`What if i get the following from lspci output : Ethernet controller: Digium, Inc. Unknown device 8001 (rev 11)`
`18:50.20`	`ManxPower-work`	`I wish you the BEST of luck.`
`18:50.27`	`Yuda-israel1984`	`i cant give you the account info`
`18:50.38`	`wcselby`	`it's okay Yuda-israel1984`
`18:50.42`	`ManxPower-work`	`DigitalFlux-AFK: that means "I don't have an updated libpci"`
`18:50.52`	`wcselby`	`you've commented out parts of the incoming_calls context`
`18:50.53`	`ManxPower-work`	`Yuda-israel1984: replace the secret= leave everything else in.`
`18:50.59`	`Yuda-israel1984`	`ok`
`18:51.10`	`Yuda-israel1984`	`so i shou;d leave in my ip???`
`18:51.11`	`DigitalFlux-AFK`	`ManxPower-work: So i should update the libpci package you mean >`
`18:51.12`	`DigitalFlux-AFK`	`?`
`18:51.14`	`wcselby`	`Yuda-israel1984 and also you can't use extenip on the MPC definition`
`18:51.25`	`ManxPower-work`	`for example, what if you did host=12.34.56,78 ? As you can clearly see that is an error`
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`18:51.30`	`Yuda-israel1984`	`its in general i only added it now`
`18:51.38`	`ManxPower-work`	`DigitalFlux-AFK: sure, if that unknown bothers you. Other than that it means nothing.`
`18:51.51`	`DigitalFlux-AFK`	`ManxPower-work: Okay, will try it now`
`18:52.00`	`Yuda-israel1984`	`i will write a bogus ip is that ok?`
`18:52.00`	`ManxPower-work`	`you can clearly see that error, right?`
`18:52.11`	`Yuda-israel1984`	`and a bogus password`
`18:52.23`	`ManxPower-work`	`Yuda-israel1984: it doesn't really matter. the message indicates your host= line is bad.`
`18:52.51`	`ManxPower-work`	`if you are too scared to paste the IP address then you have no business having the server on the internet if it's that insecure.`
`18:52.52`	`Yuda-israel1984`	`so one sec i will add that`
`18:53.52`	`Yuda-israel1984`	`host is my ip or my providers ip`
`18:54.08`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Yuda-israel1984: Config FAIL... go read the guide :`
`18:54.10`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`~sipnat`
`18:54.11`	`infobot`	`[~sipnat] Quick guide on configuring * + SIP behind NAT : http://www.aocomputing.net/?p=3 , otherwise check the WIKI at http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+SIP+NAT+solutions`
`18:54.28`	`Yuda-israel1984`	`thanks im looking it up`
`18:56.09`	`psilikon`	`This weird things were working fine 10min ago now when I try to dial out to another * box over iax i get: app_dial.c:1202 dial_exec_full: Unable to create channel of type 'IAX2' (cause 66 - Channel not implemented)`
`18:56.52`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`psilikon: chan_iax2.so isn't loaded`
`18:57.18`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`psilikon: Due either to * not being able to bind the port, missing the .so, or a faulty modules.conf`
`18:57.44`	`bmoraca`	`anyone have any experience with voip.ms? how is their quality, and how is their customer support?`
`18:57.52`	`ManxPower-work`	`[TK]D-Fender: my bet is on a pagakage install`
`18:57.57`	`Yuda-israel1984`	`guys im running around in a circle because incoming works`
`18:58.04`	`Yuda-israel1984`	`its outgoing that doesnt work`
`18:58.14`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`manI would never believe a packaged ver was broken on the IAX2 side`
`18:58.43`	`psilikon`	`I found some info from google that said to add 'load => chan_iax2.so'. So I did and rebooted.`
`18:59.20`	`ManxPower-work`	`psilikon: if things are working, chan_iax2.so should load automatically.`
`18:59.25`	`psilikon`	`What would prevent * from binding to a port?`
`18:59.47`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Oh.. and lack of a config file (or perms), or a corrupted config would do it as well`
`18:59.47`	`ManxPower-work`	`psilikon: something else is already bound to that port.`
`18:59.49`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`psilikon: Another app already having bound it`
`18:59.53`	`psilikon`	`This behaviour started right after I installed etherape.`
`19:00.04`	`SuPrSluG`	`bmoraca: we tested with them briefly. They work fine here. YMMV.`
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`19:02.14`	`psilikon`	`I am assuming the output of 'module show' tells me what is currently loaded? chan_iax2.so is listed.`
`19:02.20`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`bmoraca: So far so good from what I hear`
`19:02.41`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`psilikon: manually reaload it from CLI`
`19:03.32`	`psilikon`	`Hrmmm. I got this : loader.c:590 ast_module_reload: The module 'chan_iax2.so' was not properly initialized.`
`19:04.32`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`psilikon: I'd start looking at your configs...`
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`19:06.02`	`psilikon`	`[TK]D-Fender, ok i feel dumb. my iax.conf was gone. You were spot on man! Thanks for the debugging lesson. :)`
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`19:07.25`	`jaytee`	`yay!!! SIP/TCP to Exchange UM works with 1.6.1.7-rc1, it was broken in 1.6.0.15 and 1.6.1.6 so it'll probably be broken in 1.6.1.7 final :-)`
`19:07.26`	`DigitalFlux-AFK`	`I cann't install libpci in Elastix !`
`19:07.44`	`DigitalFlux-AFK`	`It's just not in the repos`
`19:07.48`	`DigitalFlux-AFK`	`however i know it is already there which is confusing`
`19:07.56`	`jaytee`	`libpci?`
`19:07.57`	`Qwell`	`libpci?`
`19:08.01`	`jaytee`	`you mean libpri?`
`19:08.21`	`DigitalFlux-AFK`	`ManxPower-work: told me libpci`
`19:08.34`	`ManxPower-work`	`No. He's bothered by the fact lspci says "unknown" for the Digium card. I told him it was cosmetic and means nothing.`
`19:08.38`	`leifmadsen`	`lspci?`
`19:08.57`	`leifmadsen`	`lspri?`
`19:09.16`	`DigitalFlux-AFK`	`ManxPower-work: Okay, without installing it, i cann't see the cards in the "hardware detection" section`
`19:09.34`	`Qwell`	`what "hardware detection" section?`
`19:09.39`	`jaytee`	`tries to remember that update command for updated the hardware definition database on Ubuntu`
`19:09.39`	`Qwell`	`Asterisk has no such thing.`
`19:09.46`	`Qwell`	`jaytee: update-pciids`
`19:10.08`	`ManxPower-work`	`DigitalFlux-AFK: are you using some GUI?`
`19:10.28`	`DigitalFlux-AFK`	`Ethernet controller: Digium, Inc. Wildcard TE122 single-span T1/E1/J1 card`
`19:10.31`	`DigitalFlux-AFK`	`Working now :)`
`19:10.43`	`DigitalFlux-AFK`	`using Qwell's update-pciids`
`19:10.48`	`Yuda-israel1984`	`ok guys i have a new PB for u`
`19:10.49`	`Yuda-israel1984`	`http://pastebin.com/m6a0d684e`
`19:10.54`	`Qwell`	`if any GUI works now because of that, it's very very broken.`
`19:10.59`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`ManxPower-work: Elastix <-`
`19:11.03`	`Yuda-israel1984`	`this is the updated error i knew that the other one was temporary`
`19:11.11`	`DigitalFlux-AFK`	`Yes, Elastix`
`19:11.20`	`jaytee`	`Qwell, that's the one!!! thanks! it's been ages`
`19:11.33`	`ManxPower-work`	`there's fricking GUIS everywhere.`
`19:11.37`	`*** part/#asterisk ManxPower-work (n=EWieling@24.42.221.26)`
`19:11.56`	`DigitalFlux-AFK`	`However i still cann't find it identified in the Elastix GUI`
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`19:13.10`	`psilikon`	`is there a way to play a test tone or sound file from the CLI over a live call in progress?`
`19:14.19`	`Qwell`	`DigitalFlux-AFK: Ask them then. #elastix`
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`19:17.45`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`psilikon: Originate + Chanspy w/ whisper`
`19:20.28`	`DigitalFlux-AFK`	`Qwell: They are pretty sleepy !`
`19:20.44`	`Qwell`	`DigitalFlux-AFK: well, we can't help you with their software`
`19:20.48`	`DigitalFlux-AFK`	`Qwell: Most of the time actually :)`
`19:21.03`	`DigitalFlux-AFK`	`Qwell: I understand, Thanks`
`19:21.17`	`DigitalFlux-AFK`	`Qwell: Does FreePBX has a hardware detection option ?`
`19:21.35`	`Qwell`	`DigitalFlux-AFK: ask them.`
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`19:24.26`	`Naikrovek`	`'s head is gonna a-splode`
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`19:28.41`	`wcselby`	`Naikrovek - don't assplode`
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`19:31.25`	`Naikrovek`	`wcselby: but i wanna`
`19:31.32`	`Naikrovek`	`it'll make me feel better`
`19:32.12`	`wcselby`	`well, don't get anything on me`
`19:34.01`	`iksik`	`Why I can see CallerID in Remote-Party-ID, but there is no callerid in ${CALLERID(all)} ?`
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`19:37.25`	`thehar`	`booked Astricon today =D`
`19:38.12`	`Naikrovek`	`what is astricon anyway? how much is there to talk about really`
`19:38.29`	`Qwell`	`Naikrovek: a lot.`
`19:38.34`	`Nugget`	`It's all about the muffins.`
`19:38.40`	`Naikrovek`	`Qwell: explain`
`19:38.44`	`Naikrovek`	`or point me to a schedule`
`19:38.49`	`Naikrovek`	`please`
`19:38.51`	`thehar`	`astricon.net`
`19:39.15`	`Chesther`	`was reviewing the schedule, and is going to have to choose between 2 or 3 talks in each time slot.`
`19:39.34`	`thehar`	`Chesther: me too, hehe`
`19:39.52`	`Chesther`	`But it depends a lot on what you want/need to do with Asterisk. I'm looking at pushing the boundaries on scale, so that's where my interest is.`
`19:41.56`	`Naikrovek`	`that's my interest as well`
`19:42.00`	`wcselby`	`i was thinking about going to astricon, but I can't justify it this year. maybe next year :)`
`19:42.01`	`Naikrovek`	`how big can a single system get`
`19:42.12`	`Naikrovek`	`how many tens of thousands of dollars does it cost`
`19:42.20`	`Naikrovek`	`it won't cost less next year, wcselby`
`19:42.46`	`Naikrovek`	`oh wow very reasonable price`
`19:42.49`	`wcselby`	`Naikrovek - but the 3 month old at home won't be 3 months old next year, so it won't be so hard to leave her with my wife all alone`
`19:42.49`	`Naikrovek`	`perks up`
`19:43.00`	`Naikrovek`	`new house, nice`
`19:43.07`	`wcselby`	`no\`
`19:43.09`	`wcselby`	`old house`
`19:43.10`	`wcselby`	`new baby`
`19:43.11`	`wcselby`	`:P`
`19:43.18`	`Naikrovek`	`i'm in my 4th decade on this planet and i've never owned a house. ah`
`19:43.21`	`Naikrovek`	`i do have kids though`
`19:43.24`	`wcselby`	`3rd child`
`19:43.31`	`wcselby`	`9 / 4 / 3mo`
`19:43.54`	`wcselby`	`wouldn't really feel right leaving them at that age`
`19:44.04`	`wcselby`	`the baby is very fussy`
`19:44.16`	`Naikrovek`	`well the baby doesn't care, it's the wife who will care`
`19:44.27`	`wcselby`	`Naikrovek - haha true`
`19:44.38`	`Naikrovek`	`and the 4yo will go nuts, she gets nutty when i leave, wife says`
`19:44.43`	`Naikrovek`	`my 10yo doesn't seem to care tho`
`19:44.55`	`Naikrovek`	`she's like "bye, can i play wii"`
`19:45.02`	`Naikrovek`	`"sure." "yess!"`
`19:45.20`	`wcselby`	`Naikrovek - lol my daughter would be the same way`
`19:45.27`	`wcselby`	`the 9 year old`
`19:45.41`	`WHYS`	`a "wii' bit of parenting`
`19:45.41`	`Naikrovek`	`she's a mario kart animal crossing machine`
`19:46.04`	`Naikrovek`	`my 4yo has a skill of over 1000 on wii sports resort sword duel`
`19:46.09`	`Naikrovek`	`she's amazing`
`19:46.27`	`leifmadsen`	`Chesther: sounds like you'll be attending my queue clustering presentation then :)`
`19:46.47`	`Naikrovek`	`scalability is my biggest interest with asterisk right now, too`
`19:46.53`	`Naikrovek`	`but it's a personal interest, not a professional one`
`19:48.51`	`Chesther`	`leifmadsen: Quite possibly. When is that? I'm not finding it.`
`19:49.37`	`*** join/#asterisk knarfly (n=vtserije@c-66-176-177-82.hsd1.fl.comcast.net)`
`19:49.38`	`Naikrovek`	`those #cisco blowhards say that asterisk doesn't scale. i really really want to cite something that proves them wrong, but can't find anything`
`19:50.12`	`*** join/#asterisk _brent_ (n=_brent_@166.70.142.225)`
`19:50.20`	`KavanS`	`Naikrovek, what PBX does cisco use?`
`19:50.31`	`KavanS`	`Naikrovek, and what are their points of "scale" ?`
`19:50.38`	`WHYS`	`Call manager = cisco`
`19:50.43`	`KavanS`	`ahh ok`
`19:50.57`	`Naikrovek`	`KavanS: cisco. they wanna see a 70k extension asterisk system before they'll even entertain the idea that it's not a PoS.`
`19:51.05`	`Naikrovek`	`i told them to shove it and said that it'll scale as high as they want`
`19:51.20`	`KavanS`	`yeah, I think asterisk could scale to 70k`
`19:51.20`	`Qwell`	`Naikrovek: Show me a 70k CCM that doesn't cost 8 digits.`
`19:51.20`	`Naikrovek`	`but i can't find anyone that's done one of that scale`
`19:51.30`	`Qwell`	`yes, 8.`
`19:51.34`	`Naikrovek`	`Qwell: i know`
`19:51.56`	`Naikrovek`	`but i need a case study before these tools will stop pissing on me when i open my mouth in there`
`19:52.26`	`Naikrovek`	`asterisk will scale functionaly just as high as you want, but administratively...`
`19:52.57`	`Naikrovek`	`you'd have to have one server per 1000 extensions or something, how do you manage the configurations of that many servers simply`
`19:52.58`	`_brent_`	`a single asterisk won't scale that far, but an asterisk-based system will`
`19:53.02`	`_brent_`	`and ditto on the administrative thing`
`19:53.14`	`sponger`	`naikrovek: why not create a cluster with lots of virtual servers?`
`19:53.33`	`Naikrovek`	`sponger: that's all well, but how do you manage the configuration of all those virtual servers`
`19:53.46`	`Naikrovek`	`how do you manage the configuration of all those asterisk instances`
`19:53.47`	`wcselby`	`how many servers would be in a cucm cluster that could handle 70k extensions?`
`19:53.48`	`Qwell`	`Naikrovek: with existing cluster tools?`
`19:53.57`	`Qwell`	`it's not hard.`
`19:54.15`	`Qwell`	`How does Google manage their tens (or hundreds) of thousands of servers?`
`19:54.20`	`Naikrovek`	`Qwell: no i mean when i add extension 12345, it's going to be on a different server than 23456 would go on`
`19:54.25`	`Qwell`	`so?`
`19:54.38`	`wcselby`	`i imagine you would find a comprable number of asterisk servers to cucm servers in a cluster that candle that many extensions`
`19:54.43`	`Qwell`	`When you add 10.1.2.34 it'll be on a different server than 10.1.2.33`
`19:54.54`	`WHYS`	`Will someone help me find/apply a patch. I want to test this, but can't find the pacth file: https://reviewboard.asterisk.org/r/380/`
`19:55.05`	`*** join/#asterisk jeffgus (n=jeffgus@2002:ad33:b504:0:0:0:0:1)`
`19:55.07`	`Naikrovek`	`when i add the extension, i have to look up which machine to add it to, cisco doesn't show you that, you just add an extension and it goes out and configures the correct router`
`19:55.19`	`Qwell`	`Naikrovek: so write the simple logic required to do that`
`19:55.20`	`WHYS`	`issue is here: https://issues.asterisk.org/view.php?id=13136`
`19:55.25`	`Qwell`	`WHYS: click "Download Diff"`
`19:55.46`	`_brent_`	`WHYS: the link is at the top of the page, on the right`
`19:55.53`	`knarfly`	`http://pastebin.ca/1584809`
`19:55.53`	`russellb`	`or https://reviewboard.asterisk.org/r/380/diff/raw/`
`19:55.54`	`WHYS`	`Duh! - Thanks Guys.`
`19:55.55`	`Naikrovek`	`Qwell: if it were simple, digium would have probably written it by now`
`19:56.09`	`Qwell`	`Naikrovek: why would we? extension logic isn't up to us`
`19:56.19`	`WHYS`	`Naikrovek has a troll hat!`
`19:56.25`	`Naikrovek`	`troll?`
`19:56.27`	`Naikrovek`	`WTF?`
`19:56.27`	`knarfly`	`why can't my callers access certain parts of this dialplan?`
`19:56.34`	`knarfly`	`http://pastebin.ca/1584809`
`19:56.34`	`Naikrovek`	`i'm asking genuine questions here`
`19:57.21`	`wcselby`	`knarfly - because you didn't provide us anywhere near enough information?`
`19:58.11`	`knarfly`	`wcselby: the pastebin link shows what I'm trying to do. the callers can get the welcome message but then cannot access voicemail?`
`19:58.22`	`Naikrovek`	`asterisk will never compete with a cisco solution until it has 95% of the administration features of a cisco solution`
`19:58.36`	`Naikrovek`	`i, for one, would like to see asterisk get more market share`
`19:58.38`	`wcselby`	`Naikrovek - I thought digium always focused on the back-end side of asterisk dev, and left the front-end side stuff to the community?`
`19:59.00`	`Naikrovek`	`wcselby: yes, and this is why cisco solutions are so prevalent`
`19:59.41`	`Naikrovek`	`organizations of that size already have the expertise to configure the phone system`
`19:59.45`	`wcselby`	`knarfly - I really can't help you with so little info. all you provided was part of your extensions.conf (and not even all of it). at a minimum, I'd need to see the CLI output of a failed call`
`19:59.52`	`Qwell`	`Naikrovek: so write it and make a ton of money selling it`
`19:59.54`	`Naikrovek`	`asterisk requires new skills because so much development is involved with a large solution`
`20:00.10`	`knarfly`	`wcselby: stand by`
`20:00.18`	`Qwell`	`Naikrovek: Do you honestly think a Cisco solution that big could just be dropped in?`
`20:00.31`	`Qwell`	`Naikrovek: It would be extremely foolish to claim otherwise.`
`20:00.33`	`Naikrovek`	`Qwell: how many asterisk solutions that big have even been deployed`
`20:00.34`	`wcselby`	`Naikrovek - when I said community, I didn't mean customers / end users. I meant companies willing to develop front-ends that they can then sell.`
`20:01.17`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`knarfly: Indeed you are showing enough that I can imagine a failure already`
`20:01.37`	`Naikrovek`	`management loves cisco because it's a one-stop shop. hardware, software, support, all from one company. this is also what open source can't seem to get right, mostly because of open source's nature`
`20:02.02`	`Qwell`	`Naikrovek: You can get all 3 from Digium.`
`20:02.08`	`Qwell`	`well, not phones I guess`
`20:02.15`	`wcselby`	`[TK]D-Fender - i think you just agreed with me, but I can't tell...lol`
`20:02.25`	`Naikrovek`	`different companies license things differently, GPL is a fucking cancer that you can't do anything with unless you want your for-fee software to be GPL also`
`20:02.27`	`file`	`Qwell: I hope we never make a phone`
`20:02.41`	`Qwell`	`Naikrovek: and Ciscos license isn't a "fucking cancer?"`
`20:02.56`	`Naikrovek`	`Qwell: it doesn't prevent other licenses from being used`
`20:02.56`	`leifmadsen`	`file: there is no point in competing with the phones from telcomjoshleifvoxmartenterprisesinc anyways`
`20:02.59`	`Qwell`	`come on now. You can't even get within a mile of their source.`
`20:03.09`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`wcselby: Well we do need to see the CLI for confirmation of sillyness, but I see a gaping hole that smells "PEBKAC" in the dialplan he pasted alone`
`20:03.18`	`Naikrovek`	`source doesn't matter to anyone except open source people`
`20:03.38`	`*** join/#asterisk _ShrikE (n=_ShrikE@adsl-074-185-215-060.sip.msy.bellsouth.net)`
`20:03.39`	`Qwell`	`Naikrovek: Then how is the GPL going to hurt anything?`
`20:03.42`	`Naikrovek`	`if having the source to a solution mattered, there would never have been a closed source market`
`20:04.05`	`leifmadsen`	`Naikrovek: database integration makes a huge difference in system administration with asterisk`
`20:04.09`	`knarfly`	`wcselby: http://pastebin.ca/1584819`
`20:04.13`	`Naikrovek`	`Qwell: because if i write some non-gpl software, i can't distribute it with any GPL software.`
`20:04.23`	`knarfly`	`hope this CLI output helps see what's happening`
`20:04.23`	`leifmadsen`	`you centralize the information, then create static dialplans that pull in dynamic information when it is needed`
`20:04.28`	`Qwell`	`And how would you write non-GPL software with Cisco?`
`20:04.36`	`Qwell`	`or, ANY software for that matter?`
`20:04.37`	`leifmadsen`	`make change to DB from GUI, now all servers have access to said info, and thus all servers are up to date`
`20:04.42`	`Naikrovek`	`Qwell: one doesn't need to write ANY software to use a cisco solution`
`20:04.56`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`knarfly: -- Executing [7184756222@from-voip-provider:1] Goto("SIP/from-voip-provider-28ee5000", "incoming\|s\|3") in new stack`
`20:04.59`	`Naikrovek`	`leifmadsen: thank you for the only sane answer in the conversation`
`20:05.06`	`Joel`	`lights a torch`
`20:05.12`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`knarfly: And [incoming] has access to precisely NOTHING`
`20:05.14`	`Qwell`	`Naikrovek: Then you are misinformed about how the GPL works.`
`20:05.17`	`leifmadsen`	`asterisk clustering is what I do :)`
`20:05.30`	`Qwell`	`You likely don't need to release the source for an admin interface.`
`20:05.37`	`_brent_`	`leifmadsen: me too!`
`20:05.48`	`Naikrovek`	`Qwell: why does digium grant GPL waivers when you buy a G729 license then? because it's compatable with G729 license? no.`
`20:05.53`	`knarfly`	`wcselby: well it does my incoming stanza is quite lengthy....basically i just want to control what each incoming caller can do`
`20:06.05`	`wcselby`	`[TK]D-Fender - oh wow, i didn't realize he was using [incoming] like that. I just figured he didn't show us the rest of the dialplan....`
`20:06.22`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`wcselby: No, it really was that poorly designed`
`20:06.32`	`*** join/#asterisk clyons (n=clyons@unaffiliated/clyons)`
`20:06.46`	`wcselby`	`knarfly - [incoming] doesn't know what to do with any extensions you dial, because it has no logic on how to get to them.`
`20:06.47`	`knarfly`	`wcselby: I can move to voicemail context and other into the incoming context but I was really wanting these contexts to remain separate so I can control which users have access to them`
`20:07.11`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`knarfly: And [incoming] includes NOTHING`
`20:07.24`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`knarfly: So don't be surprised when you can do.... NOTHING`
`20:07.26`	`Qwell`	`Naikrovek: G729 module isn't an administration interface.`
`20:07.38`	`Qwell`	`It is linked with Asterisk. Thus, the license matters.`
`20:07.45`	`Naikrovek`	`Qwell: how can you miss my point so regularly?`
`20:07.51`	`wcselby`	`leifmadsen - i'm going to be setting up a cluster here soon for a client, do you have any good reference materials out there I can review?`
`20:07.59`	`Qwell`	`Because you aren't making a coherent one..`
`20:08.11`	`Naikrovek`	`Qwell: it's plenty coherent. allow me to restate it.`
`20:08.16`	`Qwell`	`I've answered the specific questions you've asked.`
`20:08.17`	`knarfly`	`[TK]D-Fender: but it works for all the other tasks...I just don't want everyone who calls in to have access to the voicemailboxes`
`20:08.43`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`knarfly: "but" = irrelevant. You gave [incoming] access to NOTHING. Where's the surprise?`
`20:09.48`	`wcselby`	`knarfly - you didn't give the [incoming] context any logic on how to get to any extensions or anything outside of itself. if you've defined something outside of [incoming], you can't access it. you need to add at the least an include statement`
`20:10.16`	`*** join/#asterisk guax (n=guaxinim@unaffiliated/guaxinim)`
`20:10.30`	`Naikrovek`	`Qwell: cisco is a one-stop shop for voip solutions. admin interface, phones, voip hardware. digium will never do phones; fine. but show me a single large (tens of thousands of extensions, thousands of simultaneous calls) asterisk install where no custom development was required. no development is required to deploy a cisco solution. companies don't want to buy additional software, nor maintain in-house software if they can avoid it`
`20:10.44`	`Naikrovek`	`Qwell: i want asterisk to compete on that scale`
`20:10.57`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Naikrovek: What do you define as "custom"?`
`20:10.59`	`Qwell`	`So instead, you'll pay multiple times the cost?`
`20:11.17`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Naikrovek: I fail to see how EVERYTHING related to Asterisk isn't "custom"`
`20:11.18`	`Naikrovek`	`Qwell: multiple times the cost gives executives warm fuzzies`
`20:11.26`	`knarfly`	`wcselby: like I said there is a bunch more to incoming that's private...it works fine. I would like to let only certain callers have ability to access the voicemail system. The only way I can get incoming to access voicemail is to include those extensions in the incoming context...maybe that's not the right approach`
`20:11.36`	`Qwell`	`Naikrovek: You have your answer then.`
`20:11.39`	`Joel`	`Naikrovek, I'm sure if you where serious and you offered that money to digium they could come up with a solution for you.`
`20:11.49`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`knarfly: well?`
`20:11.51`	`wcselby`	`Naikrovek - it still takes a ton of time to setup and get it working correctly, even if there is no custom source code development.`
`20:12.01`	`Joel`	`but so far my impression is that you'd much rather sit on irc and be in a pointless battle`
`20:12.15`	`knarfly`	`[TK]D-Fender: deep subject`
`20:12.16`	`wcselby`	`[TK]D-Fender - so he didn't provide us the entire thing.......whew`
`20:12.17`	`Naikrovek`	`wcselby: but they already have the staff on hand anyway - an organization that size already has several CCIEs`
`20:12.36`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`wcselby: He did as far as I see... again, jsut doesn't get it`
`20:12.58`	`Naikrovek`	`asterisk will never compete until there is a clean, supported by digium, solution to the extreme scale systems.`
`20:13.11`	`Naikrovek`	`maybe that's not digium's goal, that's fine`
`20:13.14`	`Naikrovek`	`but it won't happen`
`20:13.19`	`wcselby`	`knarfly - from what I can see, [incoming] doesn't know what to do when you press "1".`
`20:13.26`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`[15:58]<knarfly>wcselby: the pastebin link shows what I'm trying to do. the callers can get the welcome message but then cannot access voicemail?`
`20:13.46`	`knarfly`	`wcselby: the part I left off is not the problem. it works fine...the intent is to let someone call in and dial an extension but not let them access the voicemail boxes in anyway I won't to limit outside callers coming in on the DID to only ask for extensions and leave messages`
`20:13.48`	`wcselby`	`knarfly - you need to tell [incoming] what to do when the caller presses "1"`
`20:14.02`	`Qwell`	`Naikrovek: If you want to pay us tens of millions of dollars, we'll talk.`
`20:14.03`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`knarfly: When you GOTO like you did in there your user cannot dial anything. Period`
`20:14.24`	`Qwell`	`tell you what - we'd even throw in voicemail for free. ;)`
`20:14.30`	`Naikrovek`	`Qwell: not for me. and if i'm going to pay that much i'll just use cisco`
`20:14.43`	`Naikrovek`	`Qwell: you gotta be expensive and reputable, but less expensive`
`20:14.45`	`Qwell`	`You're going to spend $10M just for 70k phones.`
`20:15.00`	`knarfly`	`[TK]D-Fender: so I guess making an include => voicemail in the [from-voip-provider] context will not work`
`20:15.03`	`Qwell`	`and that's Polycoms @ $150/each, and not Ciscos at $500/each`
`20:15.11`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`knarfly: Nope`
`20:15.12`	`Naikrovek`	`you get huge discounts on bulk orders of that size`
`20:15.43`	`wcselby`	`damnit, I've been trying to buy this phone on ebay for 40 minutes and keep getting distracted in here`
`20:15.45`	`wcselby`	`lol`
`20:15.49`	`Naikrovek`	`cisco discounts their stuff by like 80% when you buy a system that size`
`20:16.10`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`wcselby: Link....`
`20:16.30`	`wcselby`	`[TK]D-Fender - http://cgi.ebay.com/Cisco-CP-7941G-7941-7900-Series-Voice-VOIP-IP-PHONE_W0QQitemZ370264702085QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item56357efc85&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14`
`20:16.48`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`wcselby: 4 days? LOL`
`20:17.05`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`wait... Buy It Now!`
`20:17.06`	`knarfly`	`[TK]D-Fender: so the only way around this is to include the voicemail and other contexts under the incoming...the problem I have with this is that any yahoo can call in and start trying to acces the voicemail boxes`
`20:17.16`	`wcselby`	`[TK]D-Fender - yeah that's what I was going to use, buy it now`
`20:17.51`	`wcselby`	`[TK]D-Fender - but I like to research the seller, and the item, etc, to make sure I'm not getting screwed. process usually takes 10 minutes, but when I get distracted in here, it takes a lot longer.... lol`
`20:18.18`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`wcselby: OMG, that looks awesome... I'm wondering how we're being scammed ;0`
`20:18.42`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`knarfly: Contexts don't care who you are. they care WHERE you are`
`20:19.08`	`Naikrovek`	`wcselby: http://cgi.ebay.com/Cisco-IP-Phone-7960-series_W0QQitemZ320425032188QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item4a9ad1f9fc&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14`
`20:19.13`	`wcselby`	`[TK]D-Fender - seems like a good price, seller has been selling lots of stuff recently and all with good feedback to different peoples, etc.`
`20:19.34`	`Naikrovek`	`wcselby: nevermind`
`20:19.39`	`wcselby`	`Naikrovek - I don't want a 790, I want at least a 791`
`20:19.43`	`Naikrovek`	`failed to read down enough`
`20:19.56`	`_brent_`	`if i have no mohsuggest/interpret/class set in sip.conf (for general or specific peer) and then call Set(CHANNEL(musicclass)=foo) in my dial plan, should the moh class foo play if the subsequently dialed peer places the call on hold?`
`20:19.59`	`Naikrovek`	`wcselby: what's difference between 0 and 1`
`20:20.21`	`Qwell`	`wcselby: don't forget to add about $100 for a license`
`20:20.25`	`_brent_`	`or does it only affect the behavior of MusicOnHold()?`
`20:20.32`	`wcselby`	`Naikrovek - the 0 is older, the 1 has a better screen.`
`20:20.32`	`Qwell`	`assuming you want to actually boot the phone..`
`20:20.33`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Naikrovek: 1 = 802.3af PoE, not Ciscos proprietary PoE, also higher res screen, better specs, etc`
`20:20.49`	`Naikrovek`	`Qwell: don't need license unless you're connecting to a cisco system`
`20:20.49`	`Qwell`	`Naikrovek: Yes you do.`
`20:20.49`	`Naikrovek`	`[TK]D-Fender: thank you`
`20:21.00`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Naikrovek: VERY important differences`
`20:21.00`	`wcselby`	`Qwell - it was only 8.95 from CDW when I picked one up a month ago`
`20:21.06`	`Qwell`	`wcselby: That isn't a license.`
`20:21.07`	`Naikrovek`	`Qwell: don't need call manager license unless you connect to a call manager system.`
`20:21.32`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Naikrovek: DON'T!`
`20:21.34`	`Naikrovek`	`else, [citation needed]`
`20:21.38`	`Naikrovek`	`don't WHAT`
`20:21.44`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Naikrovek: IT'S A TRAP!!! </akbar>`
`20:21.46`	`Naikrovek`	`wtf is up with you people`
`20:21.53`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`~openletter`
`20:21.56`	`wcselby`	`Qwell - well I don't know what you're talking about.`
`20:22.01`	`Qwell`	`~cisco license`
`20:22.05`	`Qwell`	`stupid bot`
`20:22.07`	`Qwell`	`~cisco-license`
`20:22.22`	`Naikrovek`	`it's lagging`
`20:22.23`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Naikrovek: Qwell is the one who outed them on their full policy and SmartNet is NOT a full license to use`
`20:22.30`	`Naikrovek`	`smartnet is support`
`20:22.31`	`Qwell`	`well, no, they outed themselves.`
`20:22.42`	`wcselby`	`smartnet is support, I thought that's what he meant`
`20:22.42`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Qwell: You just gave them another outlet ;)`
`20:22.50`	`Qwell`	`I just made them answer the questions.`
`20:22.59`	`wcselby`	`hmmm.....cake...brb`
`20:23.11`	`Qwell`	`http://ntbox.com/cisco-openletter.html`
`20:23.12`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`wcselby: .... the cake is a lie...`
`20:24.58`	`Naikrovek`	`Qwell: nice`
`20:25.24`	`Qwell`	`this was HEAVILY reviewed by their legal dept before they responded to me. 3 weeks worth of review.`
`20:25.36`	`Naikrovek`	`god i hate cisco`
`20:25.39`	`Qwell`	`They are very explicit in their responses.`
`20:25.52`	`Qwell`	`There are no uncertainties there. :)`
`20:27.32`	`Naikrovek`	`there is some ambiguity`
`20:27.49`	`Naikrovek`	`one can't go to cisco.com and buy a "cisco license"`
`20:27.58`	`Naikrovek`	`what license do they require`
`20:29.31`	`Qwell`	`CCM user license`
`20:29.38`	`Naikrovek`	`they don't state that.`
`20:29.52`	`Naikrovek`	`and what if you buy a used cisco phone FROM a reseller`
`20:29.55`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`checkout time.. later all`
`20:30.15`	`Naikrovek`	`point taken though`
`20:30.21`	`Naikrovek`	`cisco are assholes`
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`20:32.07`	`Chesther`	`Well, it's been fun.`
`20:32.25`	`Naikrovek`	`no it hasn't. i get picked on every time i come in here`
`20:32.57`	`knarfly`	`how can I ask the cli to show my which sip users are connected?`
`20:33.14`	`Naikrovek`	`knarfly: show sip peers or sip show peers something like that`
`20:33.57`	`knarfly`	`yes that shows all of them, I would just like to show who is actually registered with the Asterisk server,,, that is their phone is on and they are logged in`
`20:36.04`	`jaytee`	`sip show registry`
`20:37.12`	`knarfly`	`jaytee: no that doesn't work for me. I guess there is no way to see who is logged in unless they are making a call`
`20:37.25`	`Naikrovek`	`you mean users who are logged in?`
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`20:37.31`	`Naikrovek`	`not devices?`
`20:37.42`	`knarfly`	`devices would be fine`
`20:37.45`	`Naikrovek`	`show sip peers`
`20:37.53`	`Naikrovek`	`that shows you who is registered`
`20:38.00`	`Naikrovek`	`erk, which devices are registered`
`20:38.06`	`Naikrovek`	`registered = online`
`20:38.14`	`jaytee`	`is all your sip phones are set in sip.conf to use host=dynamic and you type sip show peers and any of the peers show as (Unspecified) and instead of port 5060 show 0 then it's another indication the device is not registered`
`20:38.26`	`darkavanger`	`i need to know how to create sip channel to use for originate action with manager`
`20:38.37`	`freeswitcher`	`use presence`
`20:38.38`	`darkavanger`	`some one have good docs for that`
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`20:39.30`	`knarfly`	`OK got it. I see the port # now and that will let me differentiate between the devices that are just in the sip.conf file against who's actually hooked up`
`20:40.35`	`jaytee`	`time to head home, be back later`
`20:40.54`	`knarfly`	`is there a way to redirect cli output to a file or is highlighting and then pasting the only way?`
`20:43.25`	`Naikrovek`	`leifmadsen: you got any links to some of that yummy asterisk scaling stuff? would like to get down and dirty with some virtual machine testing`
`20:44.16`	`Naikrovek`	`could probably do some nice testing within EC2 if you wanted. $0.10 per machine per hour is not much`
`20:48.47`	`wcselby`	`Qwell - interesting letter, thanks for sharing`
`20:50.07`	`wcselby`	`and I think I asked earlier if leifmadsen had any good reference links for asterisk clustering, but I didn't catch if he responded or not within the chat that was going on earlier`
`20:50.24`	`Naikrovek`	`yeah i didn't spot anything`
`20:50.35`	`Naikrovek`	`he'll probably be more apt to share after astricon i'm assuming`
`20:50.55`	`_brent_`	`there's a list of references (HA) here: http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+High+Availability+Solutions`
`20:51.02`	`_brent_`	`i haven't looked at them yet, but there's a list`
`20:51.27`	`Naikrovek`	`high availability != scale`
`20:51.47`	`_brent_`	`a lot of the same principles apply`
`20:52.36`	`_brent_`	`and you do clustering to achieve both scaling and HA`
`20:56.05`	`KavanS`	`yeah`
`20:56.21`	`KavanS`	`lustre/drbd + asterisk could be a good combo`
`20:56.29`	`KavanS`	`not sure how asterisk would deal with it...`
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`20:56.36`	`KavanS`	`I am aware of people using asterisk + drbd for standard failover`
`20:56.38`	`leifmadsen`	`Naikrovek: sorry, most of my stuff is just through experience, but basically you're going to want to look into DUNDi (for extension lookup), ODBC integration (data), func_odbc (dynamic values), and mixing it all together.`
`20:56.51`	`Naikrovek`	`fun`
`20:57.02`	`Curtman`	`Oh Asterisk... Why do you hate me? :(`
`20:57.06`	`_brent_`	`opensips + asterisk is pretty popular for clustering`
`20:57.16`	`leifmadsen`	`scaling is done through what I mention above. HA is just using something like LinuxHA for auto-hotswap failover`
`20:57.19`	`Chainsaw`	`Curtman: It's not hate. It's tough love.`
`20:57.31`	`leifmadsen`	`yes, opensips is good if you have a lot of registration end points, but it certainly increases the complexity`
`20:57.39`	`Curtman`	`Chainsaw, Hahah`
`20:58.02`	`Naikrovek`	`i'm a software developer that absolutely hates writing software. wonder if i can put up with assembling a scalable asterisk system`
`20:58.28`	`Chainsaw`	`Isn't that like "I'm a car mechanic but I absolutely loathe cars"`
`20:58.36`	`Naikrovek`	`possibly`
`20:58.41`	`Curtman`	`Actually, if I could get to the point where Asterisk was the problem I'd be happy.. It's dahdi that hates me I think.`
`20:58.46`	`Naikrovek`	`anyone who does one thing long enough will learn to hate it`
`20:58.52`	`wcselby`	`leifmadsen - ahh. is your talk / presentation at astricon going to be available afterwards, in either document or podcast or something?`
`20:59.01`	`Chainsaw`	`Curtman: Alright, what kind of error message are you getting?`
`20:59.14`	`Curtman`	`Chainsaw, wctdm: probe of 0000:01:0a.0 failed with error -5`
`20:59.42`	`Curtman`	`Chainsaw, I've found many many google hits for this, with no sign of what the error could mean.`
`20:59.42`	`leifmadsen`	`wcselby: it will be available at least in PDF format, and potentially taped depending on what the astricon peeps do`
`21:00.12`	`leifmadsen`	`this reminds me I need to update all the links on my website with my presentations`
`21:00.15`	`leifmadsen`	`from conferences past`
`21:00.25`	`Naikrovek`	`ooh yeah`
`21:00.27`	`Chainsaw`	`Curtman: It suggests an I/O error: #define EIO 5 /* I/O error */`
`21:00.37`	`Chainsaw`	`Curtman: Can you pastebin me the full dmesg instead of just that one message please?`
`21:01.03`	`Curtman`	`Chainsaw, I've tried my TDM400P in various computers, with various operating systems, and I get this every time.. One sec.`
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`21:04.42`	`Curtman`	`Chainsaw, Here's /var/log/messages from an AsteriskNOW 1.5.0 install that I did last night. http://curtman.mine.nu:8080/varlogmessages.txt`
`21:05.38`	`Chainsaw`	`Curtman: Sep 29 03:14:44 localhost kernel: ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:01:0a.0[A] -> GSI 19 (level, low) -> IRQ 193`
`21:05.47`	`Chainsaw`	`Curtman: That IRQ number is suspiciously high for a non-MSI interrupt.`
`21:05.57`	`Chainsaw`	`Curtman: Can I see /proc/interrupts please?`
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`21:08.07`	`Curtman`	`Chainsaw, I don't think it even shows the card once this error comes up.. http://curtman.mine.nu:8080/interrupts.txt`
`21:09.29`	`Chainsaw`	`Curtman: Just for comparison: http://pastebin.com/m60e8ee2a`
`21:09.54`	`Curtman`	`Chainsaw, Originally I placed this card in a Dell Poweredge 2650 server, and it kept giving me "PCI Parity Error".. But that also happened with my $10 X100P which did seem to work at least.`
`21:10.00`	`Chainsaw`	`Curtman: I find it very strange to see IRQ numbers that high and having them level-triggered.`
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`21:10.37`	`Chainsaw`	`Curtman: Check whether a BIOS upgrade is available. If so, run it, try again. Failing that, try "pci=routeirq"`
`21:10.40`	`Curtman`	`Chainsaw, With the Dell server, I was able to get it on IRQ 9 and not shared with anything else.. Same error happened.`
`21:10.54`	`Curtman`	`Chainsaw, Okay.. I'll try that.`
`21:11.33`	`Chainsaw`	`Curtman: I'm not ruling out the possibility that this card is faulty.`
`21:11.33`	`Chainsaw`	`Curtman: But the IRQ setup on that machine is fishy.`
`21:11.46`	`seanbright`	`i have a similar deal on my poweredge 2950`
`21:11.55`	`Curtman`	`Chainsaw, Okay.. This machine is another Dell.. I hate this box, but it's the only other box I have sitting around doing nothing.`
`21:11.58`	`seanbright`	`but all the cards work`
`21:12.27`	`seanbright`	`http://pastebin.com/d9eda9b7\`
`21:12.30`	`seanbright`	`err`
`21:12.32`	`seanbright`	`http://pastebin.com/d9eda9b7`
`21:13.28`	`Chainsaw`	`seanbright: They step up to strange high numbers, but at least they're not level-triggered.`
`21:14.17`	`seanbright`	`i don't know what level triggered means`
`21:16.22`	`Chainsaw`	`seanbright: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interrupt#Level-triggered`
`21:16.45`	`Chainsaw`	`seanbright: "There are also serious problems with sharing level-triggered interrupts." <- That's where the interesting bit starts.`
`21:17.03`	`seanbright`	`a-ha`
`21:21.35`	`darkavanger`	`hi every one i am trying to initiate a call using the AMI originate action but i always get "Response: Error`
`21:21.36`	`darkavanger`	`Message: Originate failed" as response`
`21:21.36`	`darkavanger`	`can some one help.`
`21:21.36`	`darkavanger`	`here is the exact message i am sending after login (wich is successfull)`
`21:21.36`	`darkavanger`	`"Action: Originate`
`21:21.36`	`darkavanger`	`Channel: SIP/1000`
`21:21.38`	`darkavanger`	`Exten: 2000`
`21:21.40`	`darkavanger`	`Priority: 1`
`21:21.42`	`darkavanger`	`Timeout: 60000`
`21:21.43`	`*** kick/#asterisk [darkavanger!i=north@pdpc/sponsor/digium/Qwell] by Qwell (pastebin.com)`
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`21:23.01`	`darkavanger`	`sorry i didn't meen to spoof your channel but i didn't notice that the message has exceeded the lenght :(`
`21:23.29`	`WHYS`	`Can someone tell me version on which I should be testing this patch file: https://reviewboard.asterisk.org/r/380/`
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`21:25.11`	`WHYS`	`found it... 1.6.0.x we'll see`
`21:25.16`	`Curtman`	`Chainsaw, Same thing.. Just for fun, I tried pulling all the modules off of the card just to eliminate them as being the culprits. Same error.`
`21:25.31`	`Chainsaw`	`Curtman: Same thing after? BIOS upgrade or pci=routeirq?`
`21:26.05`	`Curtman`	`Chainsaw, It's already at the latest BIOS.. So are the other 2 sytems. pci=routeirq had no effect.`
`21:26.19`	`Chainsaw`	`Curtman: Desperate measures: noapic nolapic`
`21:26.41`	`Chainsaw`	`Curtman: It's a poor BIOS if that helps.`
`21:27.13`	`Curtman`	`Chainsaw, I've tried noapic.. I'll try the other as well.`
`21:27.17`	`leifmadsen`	`for anyone who was looking for presentations I mentioned earlier, here they are: http://leifmadsen.com/node/5`
`21:27.24`	`leifmadsen`	`not sure if any of it will be useful for you though :)`
`21:27.54`	`wcselby`	`leifmadsen - thanks, it's always good to read good info`
`21:28.05`	`leifmadsen`	`I never said anything about the quality :)`
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`21:42.38`	`sponger`	`this one is funny`
`21:42.40`	`sponger`	`http://leifmadsen.com/sites/default/files/astersnmp-paper.pdf`
`21:45.28`	`sponger`	`i dont like when my servers sms me.... let alone call and talk to me HAHA`
`21:47.11`	`leifmadsen`	`sponger: :) that was my final project idea and implementation in school`
`21:47.36`	`leifmadsen`	`really wish I still had the perl script :( it was probably an awful implementation since it was my first time writing perl :)`
`21:47.38`	`leifmadsen`	`(and last)`
`21:47.51`	`thehar`	`good choice`
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`21:52.24`	`Curtman`	`Chainsaw, Grrrrrr.... Same error with these arguments: "ro pci=routeirq noapic nolapic root=LABEL=/1"`
`21:53.08`	`Curtman`	`Chainsaw, I've moved the card to a new slot each reboot, so I've had it in all of them now.. There are no other cards in this board. :(`
`21:58.25`	`wcselby`	`anyone ever setup speed dials on cisco 7961 from the phone (not from the config file)?`
`21:58.40`	`wcselby`	`loaded with SIP firmware (latest)`
`22:01.13`	`Mango`	`How do I fix "Unable to handle indication 8"?`
`22:01.29`	`Mango`	`Happens when I wait too long to enter the DISA password.`
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`22:05.30`	`Curtman`	`What is the newest version of AsteriskNOW that uses the zaptel drivers instead of dahdi?`
`22:06.04`	`Qwell`	`Curtman: none`
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`22:06.18`	`Curtman`	`Darn`
`22:06.45`	`Qwell`	`Any hardware that worked with Zaptel will also work with DAHDI, unless the manufacturer is really slow about things.`
`22:08.37`	`Curtman`	`Qwell, I read a post from someone claiming his TDM400P worked with zaptel, but got the same error I am getting with dahdi. I'm not sure what else to try other than exchanging the card.`
`22:09.06`	`Qwell`	`have you tried calling support?`
`22:10.30`	`Curtman`	`Qwell, Nope.. Digium support?`
`22:10.50`	`Qwell`	`Curtman: is it a Digium card?`
`22:11.16`	`Chainsaw`	`(Hint: It will say so on the back)`
`22:12.21`	`Curtman`	`I don't think it is.`
`22:12.54`	`Qwell`	`Curtman: Then how does the other persons problem with a TDM400 apply?`
`22:13.48`	`Qwell`	`it's going to be a little difficult to configure hardware if you don't even know what it is.`
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`22:14.31`	`Curtman`	`I'll go and get the card.`
`22:14.50`	`Mango`	`How can I find out what module a specific function is in? In this case it's the timeout() function.`
`22:15.29`	`Corydon76-dig`	`Mango: that's a builtin function`
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`22:15.52`	`Curtman`	`Qwell, Is this a Digium card, or a knock-off of some kind? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220474321474`
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`22:15.59`	`Corydon76-dig`	`Well, func_timeout.so`
`22:16.11`	`Mango`	`thanks.`
`22:16.44`	`knarfly`	`if I need ztdummy for timing only for conference rooms can i only load ztdummy or do I need zaptel.ko plus ztdummy.ko`
`22:16.55`	`Joel`	`Curtman, brand: "fine start"`
`22:17.18`	`Corydon76-dig`	`Curtman: welcome to the wonderful world of counterfeit hardware`
`22:17.20`	`Joel`	`Curtman, or so the ebay listing says`
`22:17.50`	`Curtman`	`I didn't buy the stupid thing.. I'm just the poor schmuck who's wasted hours and hours trying to make it work.`
`22:18.24`	`Corydon76-dig`	`Curtman: of your time or of the schmuck who bought the counterfeit hardware?`
`22:18.26`	`Joel`	`if someone in your company bought hw for work on ebay.... fire them :)`
`22:19.37`	`Curtman`	`Joel, If I could do that, I wouldn't be the poor schmuck wasting time on this. Haha`
`22:20.15`	`IBC_jkenney`	`What is the best way to have asterisk add to a table in mysql the location of the recordings for each call`
`22:20.28`	`Corydon76-dig`	`Curtman: well, your choices are really seeking support from that seller, returning the item, or cutting your losses and getting genuine hardware`
`22:21.11`	`Curtman`	`Corydon76-dig, I think I'll go with the genuine hardware option.`
`22:21.27`	`Corydon76-dig`	`Curtman: how many paid hours of your time is equal to the price of the genuine article?`
`22:22.31`	`Curtman`	`Corydon76-dig, It's not the paid hours that I'm upset about.. It's the unpaid ones that are mostly due to my stubborn determination.`
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`22:24.06`	`Joel`	`Curtman, you can make that up on another customer.`
`22:24.15`	`Joel`	`whatever brand you go with, make sure it's reputable.`
`22:30.15`	`Kobaz`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:30.45`	`Kobaz`	`the other side picks up,,, but audiocodes never gives me an 'answered' progression`
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`22:38.05`	`IBC_jkenney`	`What is the best way to have asterisk add to a table in mysql the location of the recordings for each call`
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`22:39.57`	`sponger`	`IB_jkenny did you read this?`
`22:39.59`	`sponger`	`http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+cmd+MYSQL`
`22:42.22`	`Kobaz`	`so anyone here a zen audiocodes master?`
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`23:06.44`	`Mango`	`p3nguin: got DISA to work with my box out of the loop with transfer, no canreinvite needed :D`
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`23:16.51`	`ESCulapio__`	`hello`
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`23:18.57`	`KavanS`	`is there a way I can get the queues to execute a dialplan/macro after it has exhausted the agents?`
`23:19.06`	`KavanS`	`i.e. if all agents are busy, or if no one answers, perform this command`
`23:19.35`	`p3nguin`	`mango: Very interesting. Any secrets?`
`23:19.49`	`p3nguin`	`kavans: yes`
`23:20.05`	`KavanS`	`p3nguin, any idea where I can research this feature?`
`23:20.14`	`KavanS`	`I would love to read/learn more ;)`
`23:20.39`	`p3nguin`	`kavans: Just put a timeout on the queue, then it will continue down the dialplan. For example, Queue(queue\|twh\|\|\|210)`
`23:20.58`	`p3nguin`	`The 210 is 210 seconds.`
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`23:21.09`	`Mango`	`p3nguin: No, just Transfer(SIP/${EXTEN}) was all it took.`
`23:21.35`	`ESCulapio__`	`hello, I want to make a conference room`
`23:21.37`	`ESCulapio__`
`23:21.38`	`ESCulapio__`	`can only speak to the manager of the conference and that the others do not talk to each other`
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`23:23.22`	`p3nguin`	`kavans: Is that sufficient?`
`23:25.49`	`KavanS`	`p3nguin, yep I think so...I will play around with syntax and try this out`
`23:25.59`	`KavanS`	`p3nguin, thank you for the push in the right direction....I guess "KISS" philosophy applies :P`
`23:27.08`	`p3nguin`	`kavans: If you have another context that you wish to put the caller into after the queue times out, you could simply use a Goto() after the line for your Queue().`
`23:27.20`	`ESCulapio__`	`who can help me with the conference`
`23:27.27`	`ESCulapio__`	`?`
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`23:36.50`	`p3nguin`	`kavans: Need a better example?`
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`23:41.30`	`KavanS`	`p3nguin, sure, I've got no shame....would love to see a working example of such`
`23:41.36`	`KavanS`	`ty for your time`
`23:42.37`	`el_critter`	`Hi, is it possible to have different values of chan_dahdi.conf variables (busycount, rxgain, etc...) for different PSTN lines connected on the same card?`
`23:43.27`	`bimbo`	`hello, is it possible to define a dialplan for 2 fxo channels, if a user calls fxo1 and it's busy, is it possible for this call to be redirected to channel fxo2, freeing up channel fxo1 for new incoming calls?`
`23:43.53`	`Qwell`	`bimbo: outgoing calls? look into DAHDI groups`
`23:44.15`	`bimbo`	`Qwell: incoming calls`
`23:44.19`	`Qwell`	`incoming, no. your provider will need to do that.`
`23:44.27`	`p3nguin`	`kavans: http://pastebin.ca/1585125`
`23:44.36`	`Qwell`	`and of course they'll charge you for it`
`23:45.16`	`bimbo`	`Qwell: ok, usin a voip protocol, sip for example, this is entirely possible right?`
`23:45.19`	`manxpower`	`bimbo: what you want is called (business telecom) Line Hunting or (residential telecom) Call Forward Busy`
`23:45.26`	`Qwell`	`bimbo: there are no "lines" with SIP`
`23:45.56`	`manxpower`	`But that does not "free up the first line" it just sends the call to the 2nd line if the 1st line is busy.`
`23:46.25`	`bimbo`	`manxpower: that's what I meant`
`23:46.35`	`manxpower`	`bimbo: then that is what you should have said.`
`23:46.36`	`bimbo`	`thanks for clarifyung`
`23:47.00`	`bmoraca`	`i hate working with analog trunks in asterisk`
`23:47.18`	`manxpower`	`bmoraca: I have to way, way, way, way too often these days.`
`23:47.36`	`bmoraca`	`they're just so clunky and ugly`
`23:47.37`	`bimbo`	`yes, sorry, call forward busy then`
`23:48.08`	`bmoraca`	`i love digital channels because i don't have to care about busy lines and hunt groups and stupid people unplugging them`
`23:48.41`	`manxpower`	`Even a plain CAS T-1 is better than analog.`
`23:48.50`	`bmoraca`	`truth!`
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`23:49.36`	`bmoraca`	`course, when i have 20 T1s going in to my MAX TNT, i'm going to be cursing them to the world and wishing for a DS3...but at that point, i'll probably get one`
`23:49.54`	`manxpower`	`Ugh! I live in (USA) Central timezone and work in Eastern timezone. I keep having to think "OK, which timezone do I have that clock set to" when I look at the time.`
`23:50.10`	`bmoraca`	`lol`
`23:50.32`	`p3nguin`	`Just leave everything set to Eastern. You'll never be late for anything locally that wya.`
`23:50.35`	`manxpower`	`desk phone and work virtual machine are set eastern everything else central`
`23:52.38`	`el_critter`	`Hi, is it possible to have different values of chan_dahdi.conf variables (busycount, rxgain, etc...) for different PSTN lines connected on the same card?`
`23:52.43`	`Qwell`	`el_critter: try it`
`23:53.45`	`ChannelZ`	`I think yes but then you can't have them in a group can you?`
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