| 00:00.00 | jblack | ecrane: You haven't had to care 99.99% of the time for about 10 years now. |
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| 00:00.24 | Kobaz | ecrane: looks decent |
| 00:00.40 | jblack | but yes, that's good. |
| 00:01.01 | ecrane | yeah, but I like to learn this stuff. Doing C programming for telco these days; When we run into real issues related to hard disk, ethernet io, etc. I want to understand what's going on at a lower level. So thanks for the info. |
| 00:01.19 | Kobaz | ecrane: take an assembler class |
| 00:01.25 | Kobaz | and you'll really learn the hardware |
| 00:01.33 | jblack | If you can find one. |
| 00:01.36 | Kobaz | heh |
| 00:01.46 | Kobaz | they taught asm in my college |
| 00:01.57 | jblack | How long as it been since you were there? |
| 00:02.00 | ecrane | Kobaz: Hard to find a good one ;<. I took 2 but they were really basic 'hello world', etc. One on i386 and one on MIPS. |
| 00:02.07 | Kobaz | mmm, 7 years |
| 00:02.18 | ecrane | Kobaz: I'll look some more, I live in a 'nicer' city these days. |
| 00:02.28 | jblack | so we were still moving over to acpi. |
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| 00:02.51 | Kobaz | i did some cool stuff with intel 80511 microcontrollers |
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| 00:03.13 | Kobaz | little 16mhz 8bit processors, with 4 io ports! |
| 00:03.16 | jblack | I'm not aguing it's not a important skill for the knowledge, or for need. We still need assembly programmers. |
| 00:03.26 | jblack | The demand, though is... weak at best. |
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| 00:03.47 | jblack | Kobaz: Even those puppies are starting to decline. |
| 00:04.02 | Kobaz | well now you have stuff like phidgets |
| 00:04.02 | jblack | It's easier to find c programmers and have the tools do the work. |
| 00:04.07 | Kobaz | all the low level stuff is fading away |
| 00:04.20 | jblack | That's rather my point. |
| 00:04.24 | Kobaz | http://www.phidgets.com/ |
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| 00:04.46 | titter | Anyone :D |
| 00:05.05 | jblack | ohh, sexy. |
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| 00:05.26 | Kobaz | i wanna put some phidgets in my car to control my carputer |
| 00:05.29 | jblack | Is it a full free software stack? |
| 00:05.36 | Kobaz | some stuff is not so great for using on a touchscreen |
| 00:05.54 | Kobaz | yeah it's free and open source |
| 00:06.04 | Kobaz | http://www.phidgets.com/Drivers_Info.html#linux |
| 00:06.05 | Kobaz | gpl |
| 00:06.24 | Kobaz | there's another thing |
| 00:06.27 | Kobaz | what the heck was the name |
| 00:06.41 | Kobaz | they make awesome prototypeing boards |
| 00:07.52 | jblack | you're sure this is free software? |
| 00:08.01 | Kobaz | arduino shields |
| 00:08.13 | Kobaz | pretty sure, it's gpl |
| 00:08.22 | Kobaz | the arduino stuff is really sweet |
| 00:09.05 | Kobaz | that stuff is actually open source hardware |
| 00:09.18 | Kobaz | the phidgets, i dont think are open source hardware, just the drivers |
| 00:09.30 | titter | I could see some of this stuff being really useful for tuning |
| 00:09.42 | titter | Depending on the car |
| 00:09.49 | Kobaz | http://www.littlebirdelectronics.com/collections/arduino-shields |
| 00:09.53 | Kobaz | and they aren't that expensive |
| 00:10.06 | Kobaz | there's a ethernet board, input device board |
| 00:10.10 | Kobaz | they have all kinds of good stuff |
| 00:10.18 | raden_work | how can i run 2 asterisk servers so if one fails the other one has all the voice mails and settings etc >>> |
| 00:10.24 | Kobaz | and a wireless one |
| 00:10.26 | Kobaz | the one of the buttom |
| 00:10.49 | jblack | Oh man, I wish I weren't po' |
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| 00:11.08 | Kobaz | there's even more, i can't find the site |
| 00:11.23 | titter | For instance I run two tunes for my car, one for motor, and one for the bottle. I have to plug my laptop in to my ODBII port, and reflash the PCM ... so I am at the "track" and need the bottle, it's a no go unless I have the laptop and stuff near me lol. |
| 00:11.30 | jblack | Their prices are kinda iffy, though. like their accelerometer is a hundred bucks |
| 00:12.48 | jblack | You want to wire your breaker box with a phidgit, it'll cost ya.... perhaps let's say 800 bucks. |
| 00:12.50 | Kobaz | yeah phidgets are expensive |
| 00:13.04 | Kobaz | the arduino is more sane |
| 00:13.30 | jblack | but man, that would fucking rock. |
| 00:13.51 | jblack | seeing the current for all of the circuits in your home. You could tell if your kid was reading under her blankets. |
| 00:14.37 | jblack | cries and screams in frustration |
| 00:14.42 | jblack | I hate you kobaz. I really do. |
| 00:14.42 | raden_work | i been running asterisk 1.6.0.10 for 180+ days stable how stable is 1.6.2.2 ? |
| 00:15.10 | Kobaz | haha |
| 00:15.15 | Kobaz | http://www.robotshop.com/adafruit-gps-logger-shield-kit-arduino-2.html |
| 00:15.22 | Kobaz | i wanna put one in my car |
| 00:15.24 | jblack | I hope you someone hooks your ass on coke |
| 00:16.20 | Kobaz | there was one site though, that had like 30 Arduino boards |
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| 00:16.23 | Kobaz | i can't find it |
| 00:16.56 | jblack | basic? |
| 00:17.33 | jblack | Oh, I ended up in the wrong spot |
| 00:17.34 | Kobaz | http://www.robotshop.com/ProductSearch.aspx?qs=Arduino |
| 00:17.40 | Kobaz | that site has a bunch |
| 00:18.11 | raden_work | any opinions on what will be more stable ? 1.6.2.2 or 1.6.0.22 ?? |
| 00:18.36 | Kobaz | there's an input board that i found a while ago |
| 00:18.49 | jblack | raden_work: I'm still on 1.4 |
| 00:18.57 | Kobaz | it had like three sliders, four buttons, and a joystick |
| 00:19.05 | Kobaz | raden_work: 1.2 |
| 00:19.13 | jblack | oh, damn. |
| 00:19.21 | Kobaz | and it was like 20 bucks |
| 00:19.22 | jblack | it can't pull power off of the usb stack |
| 00:19.32 | Kobaz | would be perfect for just about everything to control on the carputer |
| 00:19.40 | jblack | never mind. I lied. |
| 00:19.52 | Kobaz | it should pull power off of usb, i'm pretty sure it does |
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| 00:22.27 | meshe | in 1.6 is there a way to schedule timeperiods where a queue is active and who's active in it? |
| 00:22.51 | Kobaz | not built in |
| 00:22.58 | Kobaz | you can certainly code dialplan for it |
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| 00:23.31 | jblack | kobaz: have you played with these before? |
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| 00:24.43 | meshe | i just became responsible for an asterisk system and haven't used it much in a couple years, we have an ivr configured, would it just be a function to check the time? |
| 00:25.01 | Kobaz | jblack: i haven't... i want to |
| 00:25.15 | Kobaz | meshe: time would be related |
| 00:25.21 | jblack | meshe: Just update your dialplay to only push calls into the queue during the right hours. |
| 00:25.29 | jblack | dialplan, that is. |
| 00:25.52 | meshe | ok, thanks, i'll dig into it |
| 00:27.01 | ManxPower-work | meshe: "core show applications like time" |
| 00:28.47 | titter | ManxPower-work: have a second to help me understand G729 a bit more? |
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| 00:38.13 | Kobaz | google |
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| 01:06.53 | raden_work | how do version numbers work anyway ? |
| 01:12.58 | Kobaz | hmmmm |
| 01:13.08 | Kobaz | there's no hold application is there |
| 01:13.28 | Kobaz | like to set a sip hold (not MusicOnHold()...) |
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| 01:43.28 | tzanger | howdy howdy howdy |
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| 01:45.18 | tzanger | looking to test out a video phone... anyone have a test address handy? |
| 01:45.45 | carrar | 127.0.0.1 |
| 01:45.53 | carrar | hurry though |
| 01:45.53 | tzanger | heh |
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| 01:50.21 | carrar | raden_work, they work best when they increase |
| 01:51.31 | carrar | Kobaz, why doesn't MusicOnHold() work for you? |
| 01:52.18 | carrar | or using Set(CHANNEL(musicclass)=djtiesto) |
| 01:52.22 | carrar | something like that |
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| 05:42.19 | ManxPower-work | I'm having problems with ODBC writes, I get stuff like [Feb 6 00:41:27] ERROR[4172]: pbx.c:1553 ast_func_read: Function LID_INSERT cannot be read |
| 05:42.39 | ManxPower-work | I have my res_odbc.ini and func_odbc.ini |
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| 06:48.05 | ChannelZ | hmm downloads.asterisk.org dead? |
| 06:52.06 | fenrus | http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/downloads.asterisk.org |
| 06:52.20 | fenrus | seems down from here too |
| 06:53.47 | ChannelZ | heh nice, never seen that one |
| 06:56.28 | benngard | It's not just you! http://downloads.asterisk.org looks down from here. |
| 06:56.50 | benngard | btw, morning |
| 06:58.39 | ChannelZ | aloha |
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| 07:00.58 | Micc | Anyone know if this is an error I need to worry about or is it caused by something normal like someone unplugging a phone? |
| 07:01.00 | Micc | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:02.12 | ChannelZ | Yeah, or unexpectedly terminated the connection |
| 07:02.39 | ChannelZ | (crashing softphone.. or hard phone for that matter) |
| 07:03.11 | ChannelZ | I would ignore it unless you're getting a lot of them, then I'd look at the device |
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| 07:40.53 | benngard | i am looking at the different sql's for *, sqlite, mysql, postgres.. is there any, like best, fastest...? |
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| 07:44.07 | jblack | they each have their benefits. |
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| 07:50.47 | benngard | i understand that... atm i am doing some tests with postgres, just for collecting cdr's |
| 07:51.51 | benngard | but i am looking at sqlite, looks pretty clean and nice |
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| 08:17.11 | AeroCloud | Question: How can I make 1 dialplan dial 2 different numbers and bridge them together via asterisk, not phone |
| 08:21.23 | fenrus | add them to a conference room? :)) |
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| 08:23.28 | AeroCloud | no conference rooms |
| 08:23.34 | AeroCloud | like on the fly |
| 08:23.59 | AeroCloud | I need to be able to once answered.. have a person push a digit |
| 08:24.00 | ChannelZ | How would this get initiated? |
| 08:24.10 | AeroCloud | and it will dial a predetermined number |
| 08:24.14 | AeroCloud | and bridge them |
| 08:24.29 | benngard | originate ? |
| 08:24.56 | AeroCloud | caller SIP's in, and dials a number |
| 08:25.04 | ChannelZ | that just sounds like Dial() |
| 08:25.07 | AeroCloud | once answered |
| 08:25.12 | AeroCloud | from the Dial() |
| 08:25.22 | AeroCloud | I want the ability for the caller to push 1 |
| 08:25.30 | AeroCloud | and it will Dial() a 2nd number |
| 08:25.34 | AeroCloud | and bridge all 3 |
| 08:25.47 | AeroCloud | then hang up the original caller |
| 08:25.58 | AeroCloud | basically bridging the 2 called numbers together |
| 08:27.26 | benngard | a calls b, b press "1", * calls c, c ansswer, * hangsup a, correct? |
| 08:27.45 | AeroCloud | pretty close |
| 08:27.52 | ChannelZ | d shoots self in head |
| 08:28.26 | AeroCloud | a calls b, a press 1, * calls c, * bridges a+b+c, * hangs up a |
| 08:30.04 | AeroCloud | any ideas? |
| 08:30.48 | benngard | not woithout using meetme |
| 08:31.24 | AeroCloud | I thought about the G option with the dial command, but the problem with that is sometimes the connection is sent answered, before its answered |
| 08:31.27 | AeroCloud | PSTN crap |
| 08:31.38 | AeroCloud | or M |
| 08:32.11 | AeroCloud | so first dial would be G(newcontext, blah), then new context would auto dial with new Dial |
| 08:32.25 | AeroCloud | and then that dials with a new G |
| 08:32.31 | AeroCloud | to set the bridge command |
| 08:32.56 | AeroCloud | but I need it to work on user input.. as sometimes the connect doesnt happen |
| 08:36.11 | AeroCloud | also thought about the t command for blind xfer, not sure about that one |
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| 08:45.02 | ChannelZ | well the T flag would let you blind transfer the person you called somewhere else.. the 'somewhere else' could be the 3rd person (person 'c' in your example) |
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| 08:57.00 | benngard | any using the new/trunk function CONNECTEDLINE function? |
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| 09:20.01 | basty | hi |
| 09:20.55 | basty | could anyone tell me on how to get app_rxfax.c compiled on the latest asterisk 1.4.29 ? I switched from 1.2.30 to 1.4.29 and need to get my fax stuff to work. |
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| 10:38.01 | basty | hi again |
| 10:38.14 | basty | is it possible to get asterisk 1.2 working with the svn of zaptel 1.4 ? |
| 10:38.56 | basty | I need to use asterisk 1.2 to get my stuff working...but the zaptel 1.2.X is getting compiled on my kernel: 2.6.31 |
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| 11:54.31 | basty | is it possible to use asterisk 1.2.35 with zaptel 1.4.11 ? |
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| 11:54.51 | cod3hax0r | good day to all |
| 11:55.08 | cod3hax0r | how do i do callerid filtering on asterisk? |
| 11:55.14 | cod3hax0r | i mean pure asterisk |
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| 12:20.15 | benngard | can some (smarter then me) take a look at http://pastebin.com/d60aff895 and tell me what i am doing wrong? |
| 12:20.28 | benngard | cod3hax0r: what u wanna do? |
| 12:30.57 | basty | anyone got app_rxfax.c running on asterisk 1.4.29 |
| 12:30.58 | basty | ? |
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| 12:38.31 | neurosys | benngard: what's this connectline function? |
| 12:38.37 | Gido-E | basty from agx-fax? |
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| 13:01.59 | benngard | neurosys: basically it changes the display of callers phone |
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| 13:02.25 | rethus | have installed twinkle. |
| 13:02.31 | neurosys | benngard: thx |
| 13:02.36 | rethus | how can i enter digits in twinkle if the asterik ask me for my pin? |
| 13:04.12 | lindi- | rethus: DTMF? |
| 13:04.23 | rethus | jes |
| 13:04.56 | rethus | i search for a dialpad in twinkle but didn't find it |
| 13:06.14 | lindi- | i can't start twinkle since I run asterisk on the same computer |
| 13:07.28 | benngard | neurosys: for example: exten => 246,1,Set(CONNECTEDLINE(all)=Jimmy Ohlund <0851711246>)), exten => 246,2,Dial(OOH323/246@Avaya,,i) when i dial 246 on mys sip phone, my display changes to Jimmy Ohlund, very nice feature if i may say so |
| 13:08.17 | neurosys | benngard: Yeah that is cool. Just wondering why i cant find documentation on that function |
| 13:08.28 | benngard | neurosys: it is in trunk |
| 13:08.41 | neurosys | benngard: oh |
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| 13:10.21 | Igramul | Hi, how can I turn off the "feature", that the jabber module wants to subscribe to every contact? |
| 13:10.25 | benngard | neurosys: http://pastebin.com/d799f5226 |
| 13:10.51 | Igramul | This causes excessive spam by sending invitation mails, if the contact happens to be from gmx, google or web.de. |
| 13:11.32 | neurosys | benngard: what version are you running |
| 13:11.33 | neurosys | ? |
| 13:12.43 | benngard | Asterisk SVN-trunk-r245147M |
| 13:14.24 | benngard | neurosys: i had no choice other than trunk, i need some stuff from the ooh323 driver that just exsists in trunk, and when i was digging around in the code i ran into that function |
| 13:15.14 | neurosys | benngard: Gotacha. I've never played with trunk. :P |
| 13:18.20 | neurosys | benngard: I wonder if CALLERPRES() gives the same result |
| 13:19.53 | benngard | no, but is part of it |
| 13:21.44 | benngard | if i remember all stuff i did, u need CallingPres : Presentation Allowed, Not Screened, rpid_update=yes, sendrpid=pai and trustrpid=yes for an extension u wanna change the display of |
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| 14:19.29 | rare1980_ | hi all |
| 14:19.51 | rare1980_ | i hve one question if you can answer plz |
| 14:20.37 | rare1980_ | if we will use asterisk on virtual machine then can we have any issues? |
| 14:23.17 | Gido-E | timing issues? |
| 14:23.29 | Gido-E | SOUNS sounds like crap. |
| 14:23.36 | Gido-E | SOUND sounds like crap. |
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| 14:38.59 | russellb | many people do it without problems. |
| 14:40.59 | cod3hax0r | it can be done ive had setup asterisk on openvz with ztdummy |
| 14:41.01 | cod3hax0r | works fine |
| 14:41.05 | jaytee | and some need Viagra |
| 14:41.17 | cod3hax0r | you just need to disable acpi |
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| 14:45.17 | rethus | lindi-: i can't start twinkle since I run asterisk on the same computer |
| 14:45.37 | rethus | lini: go to twinkle settings and set port 5061 instead of 5060 |
| 14:45.40 | rethus | and it works |
| 14:46.02 | rethus | where is the dialpad in twinkle |
| 14:47.21 | p3nguin | The big button that says DTMF |
| 14:48.36 | cod3hax0r | hello, how do i implement caller id filtering |
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| 14:51.39 | jaytee | cod3hax0r, use Blacklist() |
| 14:51.56 | jaytee | with a GotoIf in your incoming context |
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| 14:53.24 | jaytee | cod3hax0r, lot of ways to implement it with varying degrees of granularity though. some examples on voip-info.org if you search for Asterisk+blacklist |
| 14:53.39 | p3nguin | cod3hax0r: http://pastebin.com/m3adf838 |
| 14:54.06 | p3nguin | cod3hax0r: Pay close attention to lines 4, 5, and 6! |
| 14:54.14 | cod3hax0r | thanks alot p3nguin |
| 14:54.16 | p3nguin | cod3hax0r: This is the old style callerID matching. |
| 14:54.34 | p3nguin | cod3hax0r: The new way is with GotoIf like jaytee mentioned. |
| 14:54.40 | cod3hax0r | i just need basic caller id matching |
| 14:54.46 | cod3hax0r | for my DISA |
| 14:55.19 | p3nguin | Make sure you still use authentication for it, because I can spoof my callerid once I know what you are allowing. |
| 14:55.43 | cod3hax0r | yeah thats the point i was telling to my client |
| 14:55.58 | cod3hax0r | but he still insists on caller id checking |
| 14:56.11 | Gido-E | not everybode does that. |
| 14:56.14 | jaytee | p3nguin, you've got three priority 4's in your example. huh? |
| 14:56.28 | p3nguin | Match the callerid to filter out most of them, but then still use authentication for anyone who knows the CIDs you are allowing. |
| 14:56.40 | p3nguin | jaytee: That's old-style callerID matching. |
| 14:57.01 | cod3hax0r | where do you put your allowed callerids |
| 14:57.24 | jaytee | cod3hax0r, with Blacklist you put them in the astdb |
| 14:57.35 | p3nguin | exten => numberdialed/numbertomatch,4,Goto(something) |
| 14:58.02 | p3nguin | exten => numberdialed/CIDtomatch,4,Goto(something) |
| 14:58.05 | p3nguin | there. |
| 14:59.47 | cod3hax0r | so _NXXNXXXXXX/6022647999 means that incoming call to _NXXNXXXXXX from callerid 6022647999 |
| 14:59.49 | jaytee | cod3hax0r, check this example out, it allows you to add or delete blacklist entries and matches any incoming call against the blacklist in your dialplan |
| 14:59.51 | jaytee | http://www.jackenhack.com/archives/2005/09/26/adding-blacklist-to-an-asteriskhome-pbx-voip-server/ |
| 15:00.06 | p3nguin | cod3hax0r: That's correct. |
| 15:00.25 | jaytee | or you can use the hard coded simpler approach p3nguin has showed you |
| 15:00.32 | cod3hax0r | 6022647999 -> is callerid(num) |
| 15:00.55 | p3nguin | cod3hax0r: And you must duplicate the priority number so that everything else still has a next priority. |
| 15:01.06 | p3nguin | cod3hax0r: For your particular application, I think it would be better to match the numbers in the DB rather than add them all in dialplan. |
| 15:01.46 | p3nguin | Since you aren't blacklisting, you wouldn't use BLACKLIST(), but you can still use the same concept for putting numbers in DB. |
| 15:01.48 | cod3hax0r | ok... because i only have to allow just 1 callerid to access disa |
| 15:02.05 | p3nguin | Well then do it the hard-coded way. ;) |
| 15:02.20 | p3nguin | I thought you were making a list. |
| 15:02.46 | cod3hax0r | ok.. thanks alot for your inputs |
| 15:03.03 | cod3hax0r | for astdb will i be using mysql? |
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| 15:03.18 | Gido-E | cod3hax0r normally it is a file |
| 15:03.29 | p3nguin | It will use astdb, not mysql. |
| 15:03.34 | cod3hax0r | ok... a text file? |
| 15:03.41 | cod3hax0r | astdb txt file right? |
| 15:03.42 | Gido-E | in /var/spool/asterisk |
| 15:03.48 | p3nguin | It's a Berkeley DB, actually. |
| 15:04.42 | cod3hax0r | ok |
| 15:04.47 | jaytee | a simple non-relational heirarchal DB |
| 15:05.02 | jaytee | comes built in with * |
| 15:05.03 | cod3hax0r | basically im more on a whitelist instead of a blacklist |
| 15:05.12 | p3nguin | hierarchical |
| 15:05.20 | jaytee | p3nguin, thanks |
| 15:05.23 | p3nguin | :) |
| 15:05.55 | p3nguin | You can create white or black list exactly the same way, just don't check it with the BLACKLIST function. |
| 15:06.43 | jaytee | yeah, for a whitelist you'd need to use DBget and DBput explicitly instead |
| 15:06.52 | p3nguin | The data would be put into the db the same in either type of list. |
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| 15:07.16 | Peste_Bubonica | Hi all |
| 15:07.35 | jaytee | hi plague |
| 15:07.40 | Peste_Bubonica | :) |
| 15:08.14 | Peste_Bubonica | Can I priorize the use of a codec acoording to the network that the client is? |
| 15:08.22 | p3nguin | Set(DB(whitelist/somephonenumber)=1) |
| 15:09.11 | cod3hax0r | ok.. |
| 15:09.17 | cod3hax0r | how do i build my whitelist? |
| 15:10.08 | voipmonk | wonder if u can use that for sip ip denial of service |
| 15:10.16 | voipmonk | interesting.... |
| 15:10.21 | p3nguin | Then when you want to check it, you can use something like GotoIf(${DB(whitelist/${CALLERID(num)})} = 1) |
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| 15:13.20 | Peste_Bubonica | somethimes I have Sip Clients on the local network, so, i wanna use the G711 codec... Sometimes the same cliente can be over a VPN... in this case, I wanna priorize the use of GSM codec... |
| 15:15.30 | fenrus | isnt there some function that checks latency and choose codec after that ? |
| 15:15.37 | fenrus | would be awsome :) |
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| 15:16.59 | Peste_Bubonica | fenrus, true |
| 15:17.01 | Peste_Bubonica | :) |
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| 15:26.03 | Kobaz | man it's really snowing |
| 15:26.12 | Kobaz | i need to get some chains for my car, or something |
| 15:26.21 | Kobaz | and fix my snowblower |
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| 15:48.19 | benngard | we got some snow insweden to |
| 15:48.27 | benngard | in sweden |
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| 15:51.34 | benngard | did move alot of snow |
| 15:52.00 | benngard | i promised my son some grilled meat and ofc the grill was below the snow ;) |
| 15:52.28 | Kobaz | heh |
| 15:53.37 | benngard | my neighboors thinks i am crazy, maybe i am |
| 15:56.27 | Kobaz | probably |
| 16:02.16 | benngard | Kobaz: do u think i "need to someone"? then i just put in the dialplan and make the call :) |
| 16:03.12 | p3nguin | parser failure |
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| 16:04.51 | Kobaz | yeah, i'm not sure what you mean |
| 16:05.10 | Kobaz | p3nguin: syntax error on line 1 |
| 16:05.17 | p3nguin | no doubt |
| 16:05.55 | Kobaz | man i'm sooo happy i found that audio dropout problem yesterday |
| 16:05.59 | Kobaz | been plagueing me for months |
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| 16:06.47 | Kobaz | so. for future reference... never use Monitor()... use MixMonitor() instead |
| 16:06.54 | p3nguin | nod |
| 16:07.18 | Kobaz | a note should probably be added to the documentation about that |
| 16:07.31 | p3nguin | wiki? |
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| 16:07.59 | Kobaz | core show application Monitor |
| 16:08.08 | Kobaz | that documentation... noone updates the wiki anyway |
| 16:08.12 | p3nguin | If you think there is a bug in Monitor(), you should really submit it for review and fixing. |
| 16:08.45 | p3nguin | Monitor() works fine for many people, so I wouldn't expect the description to say "don't use this application." |
| 16:08.48 | Kobaz | it's not a bug, it's just how it works |
| 16:09.16 | Kobaz | the way to fix Monitor, is to spawn a seperate thread for writing out the recording stream |
| 16:09.22 | Kobaz | but that's what MixMonitor does |
| 16:09.35 | p3nguin | I've used both Monitor and MixMonitor successfully, but I just prefer MixMonitor. |
| 16:09.44 | Kobaz | if you have heavy disk i/o contention, Monitor() will affect audio bridging, and you will drop audio frames |
| 16:09.54 | Kobaz | this does not happen with MixMonitor |
| 16:10.38 | Kobaz | Although, i guess it is useful to be able to record seperate legs of the call... mixmonitor mixes on the fly |
| 16:10.43 | Kobaz | it probably should be rewritten then |
| 16:13.23 | voipmonk | #asterisk-dev |
| 16:14.15 | Kobaz | i know, i already discussed this yesterday with them |
| 16:14.30 | Kobaz | i was all set to rewrite it, but then i noticed mixmonitor |
| 16:14.52 | Kobaz | it actually would be a pretty easy change |
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| 16:44.39 | Mango | I have two devices with identical configuration. Authentication is by IP. One can place calls and one can't. |
| 16:44.59 | Mango | For the one that can't, Asterisk states: No matching peer for 'mango' from '192.168.1.9:1024' |
| 16:45.12 | Mango | yet if I do sip show peers, |
| 16:45.22 | Mango | mango/mango 192.168.1.9 5069 OK (17 ms) |
| 16:45.38 | Mango | not sure where the 1024 comes from. |
| 16:45.46 | Kobaz | client port |
| 16:45.52 | Mango | is that my problem? |
| 16:46.02 | Kobaz | no that's not a problem |
| 16:46.05 | Mango | ok. |
| 16:46.16 | Kobaz | paste your sip config |
| 16:46.43 | Kobaz | hmm, i think my cd burner just died |
| 16:46.56 | Kobaz | stupid static electricity |
| 16:48.06 | Mango | http://pasteonce.com/5006 |
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| 16:52.49 | Mango | If anyone has any ideas that would be awesome. |
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| 16:53.13 | p3nguin | mango · I have this exact problem with my Cisco 7940G phone when sip type=peer. If I make it a friend, the problem goes away. I would love to know how to overcome it. |
| 16:53.34 | Mango | The phone in question is a Linksys SPA921. |
| 16:53.55 | Mango | Restarting Asterisk usually solves the problem but I would still like to know why. |
| 16:54.04 | p3nguin | 7912G type=peer works, SPA-3102 type=peer works, ATS cordless SIP phone type=peer works... |
| 16:54.36 | fenrus | Kobaz, are you kidding me - did you fry the cd-burner with static? :D |
| 16:54.39 | Kobaz | mango: don't use defaultuser... use user= |
| 16:54.42 | p3nguin | It's just the 7940G that gives no matching peer for IP:port. |
| 16:54.55 | Kobaz | fenrus: maybe not... i think it's my blank media it doesn't like... i thought it died |
| 16:55.15 | fenrus | sounds more logic |
| 16:55.34 | Mango | Kobaz: Still the same :( |
| 16:55.54 | Kobaz | Mango: try what p3nguin said |
| 16:56.03 | Kobaz | oh, you did |
| 16:56.11 | Kobaz | umm, hold on... lemme try this other cd burner |
| 16:56.39 | p3nguin | I would like to be able to change my phone from friend to peer, but no one seems to be able to tell me what needs done. |
| 16:56.52 | Mango | No luck. |
| 16:57.04 | Mango | Hey Fenrus...are you a 911 operator? |
| 16:57.17 | Katty | morning |
| 16:57.21 | Mango | Hey Katty |
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| 16:58.37 | Katty | i have some rice in the pantry i should. what goes good with rice |
| 16:58.50 | Mango | I'd make it Greek style. |
| 16:58.51 | Mango | Rice pilaf. |
| 16:59.05 | p3nguin | stir fried pork |
| 16:59.12 | Katty | sadly, i have no pork |
| 16:59.20 | Katty | i have turkey and chicken in the freezer. |
| 16:59.28 | Kobaz | disc works fine in another burner |
| 16:59.29 | Kobaz | so weird |
| 16:59.37 | Kobaz | i used to be able to use them here |
| 16:59.55 | fenrus | Mango, nope... how come? :) |
| 16:59.56 | Katty | rice, chicken...and.... |
| 17:00.10 | Katty | if someone says corn i'm going to giggle |
| 17:00.13 | Katty | perhaps giggle insanely |
| 17:00.22 | Mango | Fenrus: I know a 911 operator who goes by the handle Fenrus. Would have been hilarious if we knew each other :) |
| 17:00.30 | Mango | Katty: corn |
| 17:00.36 | fenrus | Mango, that's wonderful |
| 17:00.37 | Katty | giggles insanely |
| 17:00.42 | Mango | :D |
| 17:00.53 | Katty | carbinator |
| 17:01.04 | fenrus | Mango, i work the NOC at a quite large ISP in europe |
| 17:01.17 | Kobaz | port=5069 |
| 17:01.23 | Kobaz | Mango: why are you using different ports? |
| 17:01.27 | Katty | :< |
| 17:01.34 | Katty | ryan's poking fun at my little mermaid music i'm playing |
| 17:02.15 | Mango | Kobaz: multiple devices behind NAT with port forwarding. |
| 17:02.39 | p3nguin | You don't forward ports on client side networks. |
| 17:03.03 | Mango | No? Haven't been able to reinvite audio without it. |
| 17:03.23 | p3nguin | And all those end devices will use the same standard sip port on your asterisk side. |
| 17:03.38 | p3nguin | You want to reinvite behind NAT? No wonder you have issues. |
| 17:04.17 | Kobaz | interesting |
| 17:04.24 | Mango | It worked...'til now :P |
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| 17:05.57 | Mango | though, the Asterisk box I'm trying to place a call to at the moment is on the same LAN |
| 17:06.52 | p3nguin | Then you REALLY don't need to use non-standard ports on it. |
| 17:07.33 | Mango | son of a gun. |
| 17:07.37 | Mango | now it works. |
| 17:08.05 | Mango | Next question is why it worked up to now and how to make it do that again :P |
| 17:08.27 | rare1980_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:08.59 | rare1980_ | wht sort of issue are there. if we will run asterisk on virtual machine? |
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| 17:10.31 | cjk | hi |
| 17:10.58 | Katty | jeebus. recipezaar has a ton of superbowl recipe |
| 17:11.08 | Katty | they all look like they might cause a heart attack |
| 17:11.15 | eppigy | LOL |
| 17:11.17 | eppigy | naturaly |
| 17:11.21 | cjk | i need to change cisco firmware from sccp to sip but i get a version error. does anyone know someone that could help with this well paid job? |
| 17:11.22 | drmessano | rare1980_, depends |
| 17:11.30 | Katty | eppigy: http://www.recipezaar.com/Jalapentildeo-Bites-91720 |
| 17:12.00 | Katty | eppigy: http://www.recipezaar.com/So-Easy-Pepperoni-Dip-201880 |
| 17:12.40 | eppigy | holy cow |
| 17:12.51 | Katty | it gets worse |
| 17:13.06 | eppigy | i like the jalapenos |
| 17:14.09 | Katty | http://www.recipezaar.com/Dirty-Shrimp-in-Butter-Beer-Sauce-79606 |
| 17:14.32 | eppigy | 8D |
| 17:14.39 | eppigy | i like shrimp |
| 17:15.00 | Katty | but do you like shrimp cooked in beer, butter, and other spices? |
| 17:15.32 | Katty | i might try that one on ryan. he likes shrimp. |
| 17:15.40 | eppigy | Katty: that sounds a little extreme |
| 17:15.59 | Katty | 'it wouldn't be so bad if they were sauted in oil |
| 17:16.01 | drmessano | rare1980_, don't PM without asking |
| 17:16.03 | Katty | and then simmered in beer |
| 17:16.20 | eppigy | NEVER WITHOUT PERMISSION |
| 17:16.21 | rare1980_ | ok |
| 17:16.24 | Katty | but i don't really want to be dipping shrimp in a boiled down sauce made of beer and 1/4C of butter |
| 17:16.28 | rare1980_ | sure |
| 17:16.37 | Katty | eppigy: lelu |
| 17:16.38 | eppigy | i randomly pm people all the time |
| 17:16.42 | eppigy | Katty: yesh |
| 17:16.46 | eppigy | multipass |
| 17:16.53 | Katty | autooooowashhhhh*shiver* |
| 17:16.58 | rare1980_ | i want to use asterisk on virtual machine for production |
| 17:17.06 | drmessano | We can talk in here just fine rather than you being confined to some idiot in a PM (not you, the person you PM'ed) who may give you wrong info. |
| 17:17.09 | rare1980_ | but before i will use that i want to know.. |
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| 17:17.29 | rare1980_ | is there any issues on voice issues using asterisk on virtual machine? |
| 17:17.35 | drmessano | rare1980_, Ok, a REAL VM setup you would bet your job on, or trying to cheap out using VMware workstation? |
| 17:18.03 | Katty | eppigy: is shrimp part of your diet? |
| 17:18.07 | Katty | eppigy: they're kinda low cal |
| 17:18.55 | smooth_penguin | hey |
| 17:19.04 | rare1980_ | drmessano - i didn't get ur question |
| 17:19.12 | Katty | everytime i see you i wanna listen to that song |
| 17:19.51 | Katty | grooves |
| 17:20.04 | Katty | oh nice. "amazing white trash puff balls" >.< |
| 17:20.05 | drmessano | Ok, are we talking about building a real badass server thats more than enough to run the intented VM sessions and its purely hardware consolidation, or are we talking about "I dont have a box for Asterisk, so i am gonna slap it in a VM on this Vista box" |
| 17:21.33 | Katty | cressent rolls, cream cheese, pepperoni <- white trash puff ballsa |
| 17:21.37 | drmessano | Yes, Asterisk runs fine in Virtualization. No, it does not run fine on poorly implemented desktop or sub-server class hardware underdimensioned environments.. actually, if you underplan (cheapen out), it will run WORSE than say an apache server on an overloaded box |
| 17:22.10 | rare1980_ | i am going get windows dedicated hosted server and then on that system i am planning to use 2 or 3 VM system |
| 17:22.44 | drmessano | Thats not gonna work well at all |
| 17:22.48 | Katty | that doesn't really answer the question |
| 17:23.05 | rare1980_ | ?? |
| 17:23.38 | Katty | rare1980_: why don't you find someone to give you a quote for an asterisk box that's runnign Virtualized |
| 17:23.50 | Katty | rare1980_: that way you can actually SEE what the requirements on hardware are |
| 17:24.00 | drmessano | You need a setup with real bare metal virtualization on well tested platforms.. Running on even a Server 2008 R2 Hyper-V environment is iffy at best |
| 17:24.18 | Katty | he didn't say server |
| 17:24.21 | Katty | he just said Windows |
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| 17:24.31 | drmessano | I know |
| 17:24.47 | Katty | i doubt it'll be 2008 |
| 17:24.56 | drmessano | Which is why I pointed out BEST case, which would be 2008 R2.. below that just gets worse from there |
| 17:25.00 | rare1980_ | wht are the min requirments of hardware to run VM? |
| 17:25.14 | Katty | sighs |
| 17:25.31 | drmessano | rare1980_, More than the OS requirements of each VM, plus overhead |
| 17:25.43 | Katty | rare1980_: that depends entirely on what you need the box to do. You need to have someone SIT DOWNW ITH YOU and work up the DETAILS |
| 17:26.36 | Katty | rare1980_: If you want it to work, you need to DO YOUR HOMEWORK |
| 17:26.51 | rare1980_ | http://www.tagadab.com/dedicated-servers |
| 17:27.01 | rare1980_ | plz have a look to this link . |
| 17:27.15 | Katty | Did you not read anything I just typed? |
| 17:27.19 | Katty | We are not here to do your homework for you. |
| 17:27.25 | drmessano | Virtualization doesnt allow you to cram more crap on a box for cheap, it allows you to save on environments where you need a PARTITION between environments and discreet boxes would be a waste |
| 17:27.58 | Katty | goes back to reading recipes |
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| 17:28.01 | rare1980_ | ok thanks |
| 17:28.07 | drmessano | If you need a callcenter class asterisk box, you cannot shove it on a Windows VM on hardware barely enough to run bare metal *nix + Asterisk in the first place, and then hope to put 3 other VMs on there |
| 17:28.19 | Kobaz | rare1980_: instead of getting four servers, you can get a quad-core, and say, set up 4 virtual machines |
| 17:29.59 | rare1980_ | humm .. drmessano n Kobaz |
| 17:30.03 | rare1980_ | thanks for ur help |
| 17:30.05 | drmessano | rare1980_, Asterisk runs WELL in a Virtual environment where resource utilization has been researched and considered |
| 17:30.27 | drmessano | It runs MORE POORLY where you havent, since its realtime and will suffer more from cheapness or poor dimensioning |
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| 17:31.44 | Kobaz | to put it simply, it's far easier to just get a dedicated box, and run asterisk on the native os |
| 17:33.34 | Katty | ^_- |
| 17:33.38 | Katty | ryan just gave me a drink |
| 17:33.43 | Katty | it was redbull and whiskey >.< |
| 17:34.49 | eppigy | Katty: ITR IS 11AM |
| 17:35.25 | drmessano | I wonder if someone has written a minibrowser page for Google Voice for common desktop phones |
| 17:35.45 | Katty | eppigy: i know :< |
| 17:35.52 | Katty | eppigy: but he wanted me to try it |
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| 17:36.00 | Katty | eppigy: was not very pleasant |
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| 17:39.09 | p3nguin | Now my turn for peer/registration issues... http://pastebin.com/d5af707da |
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| 17:44.20 | Yudaisrael1984 | hi everyone quick question if i have 2 NIC on asterisk and i use the externip in sip.conf which is 212.xxx.xxx.xxx on my other NIC i have an ip of 10.0.0.1 and i have route set up to send via the second NIC |
| 17:44.30 | Yudaisrael1984 | can that be causing one way audio issues? |
| 17:44.41 | p3nguin | ~sipnat |
| 17:44.42 | infobot | [~sipnat] Quick guide on configuring * + SIP behind NAT : http://www.aocomputing.net/?p=3 , otherwise check the WIKI at http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+SIP+NAT+solutions |
| 17:44.50 | Yudaisrael1984 | its not behind nat |
| 17:44.55 | Yudaisrael1984 | hey p3nguin |
| 17:45.22 | drmessano | 2 NICs do not work well.. you can use bindaddr= but you need to pick one |
| 17:45.52 | Yudaisrael1984 | bindaddr is on 0.0.0.0 |
| 17:46.05 | Yudaisrael1984 | and it worked well till now |
| 17:46.14 | drmessano | 0.0.0.0 is not picking ONE |
| 17:46.27 | Yudaisrael1984 | i want it to listen on all |
| 17:46.48 | Yudaisrael1984 | again, it worked fine i am thinking that it possibly is the provider issue as well |
| 17:49.07 | drmessano | bind to the 10.x address and set externip to the 212 address along with a localnet setting for a mask of the 10.x network |
| 17:49.19 | drmessano | Done |
| 17:49.35 | drmessano | Oh, and a canreinvite=nonat |
| 17:49.42 | dlynes_laptop | Yudaisrael1984, did you ever get your problem solved? |
| 17:50.06 | Yudaisrael1984 | hey yea |
| 17:50.13 | Yudaisrael1984 | it turned out to be a provider issue |
| 17:50.17 | Yudaisrael1984 | the isp |
| 17:50.22 | dlynes_laptop | Yudaisrael1984, a provider issue? |
| 17:50.28 | dlynes_laptop | Yudaisrael1984, for inter-LAN traffic issues? |
| 17:50.33 | Yudaisrael1984 | yup |
| 17:50.36 | Yudaisrael1984 | its over vpn |
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| 17:50.44 | dlynes_laptop | well, you didn't tell me that |
| 17:50.52 | Yudaisrael1984 | sorry |
| 17:50.58 | dlynes_laptop | you told me it was a LAN....VPN and LAN are not the same thing |
| 17:51.00 | Yudaisrael1984 | i followed the packet |
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| 17:51.24 | Yudaisrael1984 | for some odd reason the server cant ping that ip |
| 17:51.33 | Yudaisrael1984 | and i can from my vpn |
| 17:51.48 | Yudaisrael1984 | and the firwall also cannot ping that device either |
| 17:52.03 | dlynes_laptop | Yudaisrael1984, firewall == VPN router? |
| 17:52.06 | Yudaisrael1984 | so we are thinking that it has to do with the infrastructure |
| 17:52.42 | drmessano | Maybe its the cabling.. MTU of Cat 5 vs Cat 5e and all that |
| 17:52.43 | p3nguin | With type=friend my 7940G can make calls, but with type=peer, it cannot. Here's the debug: http://pastebin.com/d5af707da |
| 17:52.48 | Yudaisrael1984 | the devices are on other locations connecting to a vpn thru a vpn router of the ISP |
| 17:52.57 | RichardLynch | I'm trying to wrap my head around the basic "flow" of a call through the various bits and pieces of software... A call comes in, on the trunk or from a handset, and the phone wires or SIP packets hook into the PBX hardware, and then... what? Is some PHP script called first, or does it hit the asterisk binary or ??? |
| 17:52.59 | drmessano | p3nguin, what about type=user? |
| 17:53.14 | dlynes_laptop | RichardLynch, asterisk doesn't use PHP |
| 17:53.31 | p3nguin | with user, it can make calls, but cannot receive calls. |
| 17:53.34 | dlynes_laptop | RichardLynch, how did PHP enter the picture? |
| 17:53.40 | RichardLynch | Okay, so, it's all compiled C, or there are some shell scripts or ??? |
| 17:54.06 | RichardLynch | Somebody told me asterisk uses PHP, but I guess that's only for the AGI stuff, yes? |
| 17:54.07 | Kobaz | RichardLynch: it's all in c |
| 17:54.13 | dlynes_laptop | RichardLynch, all compiled C....no shell scripts, no PHP, no perl, no Fortran, no C++, and no Visual Basic, either |
| 17:54.23 | Kobaz | RichardLynch: you can execute custom code in the dialplan language, or any language you like, via agi |
| 17:54.27 | Yudaisrael1984 | found the problem to my one way audio |
| 17:54.29 | RichardLynch | Okay. I like C just fine. |
| 17:54.32 | Kobaz | visual basic, ewwwww |
| 17:54.35 | Yudaisrael1984 | my device was screwed up |
| 17:54.35 | dlynes_laptop | RichardLynch, you can use C, Perl, Python for AGI |
| 17:54.35 | Kobaz | get it off, get it off |
| 17:54.52 | dlynes_laptop | RichardLynch, and PHP as well |
| 17:54.57 | Kobaz | RichardLynch: you're not going want to want to write agi in c |
| 17:55.09 | dlynes_laptop | Kobaz, why? |
| 17:55.23 | Kobaz | dlynes_laptop: because it doesn't buy anything, and makes development slower |
| 17:55.40 | Kobaz | dlynes_laptop: if you need number cruncing, write that part in c, write the rest in a scripting language |
| 17:55.45 | dlynes_laptop | Kobaz, but if he's already familiar with it and he's already got a lot of investment in C code |
| 17:55.53 | Kobaz | perhaps |
| 17:55.54 | RichardLynch | If I write AGI, it will probably be in PHP, since I know that best. But I'm actually looking to lock down a box and limit the number of peers allowed. I.e., if "sip show peers" has more than N+1 lines of output, err, fall over or something... |
| 17:55.57 | dlynes_laptop | Kobaz, then probably no difference in development time |
| 17:56.01 | Kobaz | but if you're starting clean, scripting is far faster |
| 17:56.20 | Yudaisrael1984 | dlynes_laptop, asterisk is in C??? |
| 17:56.26 | dlynes_laptop | Yudaisrael1984, yes, of course |
| 17:56.35 | RichardLynch | How about I'll pick the C or PHP for AGI as I see fit, and you guys can pick what you like, okay? |
| 17:56.35 | dlynes_laptop | Yudaisrael1984, you thought it was in assembly language? |
| 17:56.55 | Yudaisrael1984 | yes |
| 17:56.58 | RichardLynch | Maybe I'll install Lisp and write an AGI-Lisp bridge for fun. :-) |
| 17:57.14 | dlynes_laptop | RichardLynch, i wasn't trying to tell you what you should use...I was just letting you know what was available, so you could make your own decision |
| 17:57.18 | Yudaisrael1984 | and can i write up scripts in C with more funcionality then in php? |
| 17:57.24 | dlynes_laptop | RichardLynch, you could use forth, for all i care |
| 17:57.25 | Yudaisrael1984 | phpagi |
| 17:57.53 | RichardLynch | I'm really just trying to get a handle on where I could best inject something to limit # of peers in 'sip show peers'. Limit as in disallow # of phones connected, not as in pagination of output. |
| 17:57.55 | dlynes_laptop | Yudaisrael1984, you can write scripts with the most functionality, using the language that you know the best |
| 17:58.11 | Kobaz | i've always wanted to write a operating system called 'back', and it would be written purely in fourth |
| 17:58.13 | dlynes_laptop | RichardLynch, you limit it by not programming them in |
| 17:58.17 | Yudaisrael1984 | but does writing scripts in C give me an advantage? |
| 17:58.25 | dlynes_laptop | Yudaisrael1984, other than speed, no |
| 17:58.37 | Yudaisrael1984 | speed is also important :) |
| 17:58.48 | Kobaz | but speed is dependent on what you're working on |
| 17:58.55 | RichardLynch | dlynes_laptop: Let's just say I want to keep somebody's fingers out of some of the gears, but give them access to other gears. |
| 17:58.57 | dlynes_laptop | Yudaisrael1984, for scripts, the amount of speed increase you're talking about is marginal |
| 17:59.15 | dlynes_laptop | RichardLynch, lock down the security on the sip.conf file |
| 17:59.19 | Kobaz | in terms of call processing speed, you're always going to be limited to the asterisk processing speed of the call |
| 17:59.30 | Kobaz | dlynes_laptop: hack the asterisk source |
| 17:59.31 | RichardLynch | And besides, you could use HipHop to cross-compile the PHP into C++. So there. :-) |
| 17:59.55 | dlynes_laptop | Kobaz, you're just getting ridiculous |
| 17:59.58 | RichardLynch | dlynes_laptop: I want them to be able to edit sip.conf, but not put more than 20 phones in it. |
| 18:00.19 | Kobaz | dlynes_laptop: so you disagree that you're limited to the speed at which asterisk handles dialplan? |
| 18:00.21 | RichardLynch | s/phones/peers/ |
| 18:00.23 | drmessano | How do you decide which kid doesnt get to eat? |
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| 18:00.42 | RichardLynch | The 21st kid doesn't get to eat. |
| 18:00.59 | Yudaisrael1984 | anways guys i got to leave be back later |
| 18:01.00 | dlynes_laptop | RichardLynch, then as kobaz mentioned, hack the asterisk C code |
| 18:01.04 | dlynes_laptop | Yudaisrael1984, laters |
| 18:01.04 | Yudaisrael1984 | peace out |
| 18:01.28 | Kobaz | i don't care if you write your dialplan in machine code, specifically optimized to run as blazing fast as possible... you're limited to to speed as which asterisk executes and responds to your dialplan executions |
| 18:01.33 | RichardLynch | Yes, well, I'm asking for some guidance for the general location of where that would best "fit in" the C code, as it's a rather large body of code... |
| 18:01.37 | drmessano | I guess in English thats "if there's 21, the last one in the file does not" |
| 18:01.40 | dlynes_laptop | Kobaz, no, i don't disagree, regarding speed at which asterisk handles dialplan |
| 18:01.44 | Kobaz | okay |
| 18:01.54 | Kobaz | so which part is ridiculas? |
| 18:02.11 | Kobaz | ridiculous rather |
| 18:02.15 | dlynes_laptop | Kobaz, like i said...hacking the asterisk source to speed up stuff is ridiculous |
| 18:02.35 | Kobaz | i never said that |
| 18:02.48 | dlynes_laptop | <Kobaz> dlynes_laptop: hack the asterisk source |
| 18:02.49 | RichardLynch | Yay! They agree! |
| 18:02.50 | Kobaz | he was asking about limiting sip.conf, i said hack the asterisk source |
| 18:03.05 | dlynes_laptop | ah |
| 18:03.06 | RichardLynch | And they agree again! :-) |
| 18:03.09 | Kobaz | "hacking the asterisk source to speed up stuff" <--- i didn't say that |
| 18:03.13 | dlynes_laptop | well you didn't say what you were replying to :) |
| 18:03.16 | Kobaz | heh |
| 18:03.38 | RichardLynch | Now that we know I have to hack asterisk C source, any specific files/modules/sections you happen to know of off-hand? |
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| 18:03.43 | dlynes_laptop | RichardLynch, anyways...what you're asking to do is outside the scope of normal asterisk usage |
| 18:03.48 | drmessano | So this is what it's like to put two argumentron 2000's in the same room, across from each other |
| 18:03.48 | Kobaz | RichardLynch: chan_sip.c |
| 18:04.04 | RichardLynch | Kobaz: Thanks. I'm on it. Whoa. That's a monster file... |
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| 18:04.15 | Kobaz | RichardLynch: keep in mind, asterisk is open source... gpl... so these changes if you plan on selling a system using these changes... require you to release the source of your changes |
| 18:04.22 | dlynes_laptop | RichardLynch, you haven't looked at app_voicemail.c and app_dial.c yet |
| 18:04.54 | dlynes_laptop | RichardLynch, they use crazy shit like 'goto label' kinda code |
| 18:04.56 | RichardLynch | Sure. Unless we get the dual license from Digium, and it's actually a digium copyright file. We're all aware of that here. |
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| 18:07.09 | dlynes_laptop | but I still think the easiest way to solve the problem is to lock down the security on sip.conf, and only allow one person to change it |
| 18:07.36 | dlynes_laptop | or another method is to use asterisk real time |
| 18:07.49 | dlynes_laptop | and then only allow access to it through a php web page |
| 18:07.50 | RichardLynch | dlynes_laptop: That would be easy, if we weren't building a turnkey system with down-stream people who edit it, and place it on-site for end users who have physical access to the box... |
| 18:08.04 | dlynes_laptop | and have logic in the web page to limit the number of sip peers |
| 18:08.40 | dlynes_laptop | and then lock down access to the physical config files so that the end user can't touch them |
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| 18:09.11 | dlynes_laptop | iow, don't give them the root password |
| 18:09.30 | RichardLynch | We believe hacking the source would raise the barrier a bit for those who have access to the box and attempt to bypass all you describe by, say, rebooting in single user mode, or with a systemrescuecd or ... |
| 18:09.39 | RichardLynch | They |
| 18:09.47 | dlynes_laptop | ah...so you've got devious users, then |
| 18:09.55 | Kobaz | heh |
| 18:09.57 | RichardLynch | 'll have to dis-assemble the binary as well, in our scenario. |
| 18:09.59 | dlynes_laptop | that's a completely different problem |
| 18:10.04 | RichardLynch | Yes, it is, isn't it :-) |
| 18:10.20 | dlynes_laptop | the only choice you've got then is to hack the c code |
| 18:10.20 | RichardLynch | Damn enter key is too close to ' key. |
| 18:10.40 | Kobaz | the only way you'll be able to do it in a very secure way, is monkey the asterisk source, and encrypt the config files, and use license keys, and all that good stuff |
| 18:10.56 | RichardLynch | I'm reading chan_sip.c now. I need to call sip_show_peers guts in the channel creation bit in there... |
| 18:11.00 | dlynes_laptop | Or write your own filesystem driver |
| 18:11.03 | RichardLynch | Kobaz: That's the plan. |
| 18:11.12 | Kobaz | FUSE ftw |
| 18:11.17 | dlynes_laptop | so that a default linux boot cd won't be able to read the filesystem |
| 18:11.48 | RichardLynch | dlynes_laptop: I'll put that in as an idea, but I think hacking the C in the next couple days is "enough" on my plate :-) |
| 18:11.49 | dlynes_laptop | and disable single user bootup in the installed copy |
| 18:12.38 | RichardLynch | custom filesystem driver sounds like a painful #fail if anything goes wonky, though... Isn't that gonna be tough to get "right"? |
| 18:12.45 | dlynes_laptop | the filesystem driver is something we were considering |
| 18:13.03 | Kobaz | Fuse-J-shfs lets you easily implement a virtual filesystem in Unix shellscript. And naturally, it already has some handy vfs implementations you can use straight away: gzip, rar, sparse, ... |
| 18:13.24 | dlynes_laptop | Kobaz, it's a virtual file system |
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| 18:13.42 | RichardLynch | Kobaz: Ah, so it's like a filesystem driver wrapper driver to let you make roadblock check-point things. Hmmm. that sounds do-able... |
| 18:13.43 | Kobaz | yeap |
| 18:13.52 | dlynes_laptop | Kobaz, as in if you boot up a linux boot cd, and then tell it to use the existing hard drive to boot up to |
| 18:13.54 | ChannelZ | How can you tell what version of * a closed issue (bug) fix got included in? If they don't specifically comment on it in the ChangeLog.. |
| 18:14.00 | dlynes_laptop | Kobaz, then it defeats the purpose |
| 18:14.12 | dlynes_laptop | Kobaz, my method, the boot cd won't be able to read the drive, period |
| 18:14.21 | Kobaz | dlynes_laptop: you can write a filesystem any way you want... you can force someone to load a license key in order to decrypt the fs |
| 18:14.46 | Kobaz | and even when the fs is mounted, it can restirct you with your file edits |
| 18:14.53 | dlynes_laptop | Kobaz, yeah, but using that method, your main boot disk still has to be a known filesystem format (ext2fs, reiser, ...) |
| 18:15.00 | Kobaz | yeah, so |
| 18:15.06 | Kobaz | the config and system that runs the stuff is protected |
| 18:15.34 | Kobaz | reiser, heh |
| 18:15.40 | dlynes_laptop | ? |
| 18:15.43 | RichardLynch | If all your asterisk conf files and whatnot are on a FUSE fs that gets mounted-post boot only with license key, then it seems pretty solid... |
| 18:16.07 | dlynes_laptop | what's so funny about reiser? |
| 18:16.11 | RichardLynch | Isn't Reiser the guy that got sent to jail, which leaves his fs more or less stagnating?... |
| 18:16.14 | Kobaz | it's a sucky filesystem |
| 18:16.20 | Kobaz | murderfs |
| 18:16.26 | dlynes_laptop | dunno |
| 18:16.31 | smooth_penguin | lol |
| 18:16.31 | Kobaz | i've heard soooo many horror stores of reiser just going POOF |
| 18:16.33 | dlynes_laptop | I used reiser for the longest time |
| 18:16.38 | smooth_penguin | reiser is pretty good with small files |
| 18:16.40 | dlynes_laptop | I liked it way better than ext3 |
| 18:16.41 | smooth_penguin | same |
| 18:16.49 | Kobaz | there is very little you can do in terms of recovery if something goes wrong |
| 18:16.53 | dlynes_laptop | ext3 still has that same shitty underlying ext2 |
| 18:16.58 | ChannelZ | except large volumes take a long time to mount |
| 18:17.00 | Kobaz | as opposed to ext2/3/4, there are tons of tools |
| 18:17.20 | dlynes_laptop | wha'ts the difference between ext3 and ext4? |
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| 18:17.25 | smooth_penguin | nothing like make sure you have backups of any filesystem |
| 18:17.29 | smooth_penguin | making* |
| 18:17.41 | Kobaz | ext4 has many improvements, some speed, some integrity |
| 18:17.47 | dlynes_laptop | does linux actually have any filesystems as good as ntfs or hpfs, yet? |
| 18:18.32 | Kobaz | dlynes_laptop: yeah sure, ext4 |
| 18:18.32 | dlynes_laptop | i.e. as far as fault tolerance goes? |
| 18:18.33 | smooth_penguin | is ntfs, that good? |
| 18:18.33 | RichardLynch | Whoa. You just put NTFS and good in the same sentence?... |
| 18:18.33 | RichardLynch | Not in my experience... |
| 18:18.33 | smooth_penguin | btrfs seems pretty damn promising |
| 18:18.33 | smooth_penguin | even zfs |
| 18:18.33 | Kobaz | ntfs is pretty crappy when it comes to fault tolerance though |
| 18:18.33 | smooth_penguin | ^^ |
| 18:18.33 | [TK]D-Fender | ReiserFS offers killer performance |
| 18:18.34 | RichardLynch | I've had far too many NTFS drives "fail" |
| 18:18.42 | Kobaz | you still get lost clusters and stuff |
| 18:18.50 | [TK]D-Fender | Kobaz: Not lost... buried ;) |
| 18:18.55 | Kobaz | heh |
| 18:19.08 | RichardLynch | Let's call them Jimmy Hoffa clusters. |
| 18:19.12 | Kobaz | zfs is pretty damn sweet, from little exposure i have to it |
| 18:19.14 | dlynes_laptop | Never had NTFS or HPFS fail, personally |
| 18:19.19 | Kobaz | pets his opensolaris box |
| 18:19.27 | ManxPower-work | I use whatever the distro uses by default unless I have a *very* good reason |
| 18:19.29 | dlynes_laptop | or zfs, for that matter |
| 18:19.35 | dlynes_laptop | but Linux doesn't do ZFS |
| 18:19.45 | Kobaz | there's zfs support via FUSE |
| 18:19.46 | smooth_penguin | only over FUSE |
| 18:19.48 | smooth_penguin | as of now |
| 18:19.48 | dlynes_laptop | ah |
| 18:19.53 | dlynes_laptop | is it stable? |
| 18:19.57 | Kobaz | no idea |
| 18:20.16 | p3nguin | zfs-fuse 0.6.0-3 A port of the ZFS filesytem to the FUSE framework. |
| 18:20.18 | dlynes_laptop | ftm, has Sun officially stated that ZFS is stable yet? |
| 18:20.40 | smooth_penguin | I think they have stable releases |
| 18:20.44 | dlynes_laptop | Last time I was using it, it was still in testing |
| 18:20.54 | dlynes_laptop | That was on Solaris 10 |
| 18:21.06 | dlynes_laptop | on the Sparc platform |
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| 18:22.26 | smooth_penguin | FS wouldnt really matter with asterisk, does it |
| 18:22.26 | dlynes_laptop | RichardLynch, btw...your NTFS drives...they failed because of the filesystem, or because of the underlying hardware? |
| 18:22.42 | dlynes_laptop | smooth_penguin, no...only if you get errors on the drive, and need to recover |
| 18:23.07 | smooth_penguin | dlynes_laptop, raid / backups are imp |
| 18:23.14 | smooth_penguin | dont depend on the FS |
| 18:24.23 | RichardLynch | dlynes_laptop: Dunno really. Just had more Windows boxen drive failure than Linux boxen... And it's all the same hardware, right?... You try to reformat, it works or not, you re-install with a new drive or not... Didn't really track which ones needed new drives. Just the pain and aggravation of the original failure and down-time higher in Windows/NTFS drive fail. |
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| 18:25.10 | drmessano | Drives on windows boxes are more prone to failure due to the irrational use of the swap |
| 18:25.25 | drmessano | Thats not true |
| 18:25.43 | RichardLynch | Is drmessano arguing with himself? |
| 18:25.46 | drmessano | Drives on windows boxes fail more often due to failure due to the irrational use of the swap |
| 18:25.53 | drmessano | Gah forget it |
| 18:26.09 | drmessano | prone to failure vs fail more often was my issue.. original wasnt accurate |
| 18:26.18 | Kobaz | hehe |
| 18:26.22 | Kobaz | yeah swap in windows is retarted |
| 18:26.27 | Kobaz | i disable it if i have enough ram |
| 18:26.42 | Kobaz | you minimize an app, poof, swap it out |
| 18:27.00 | Kobaz | and then it takes minutes sometimes to bring it back |
| 18:27.06 | RichardLynch | That's just daft... They really did that? |
| 18:27.12 | smooth_penguin | isnt swap on windows == pagefile |
| 18:27.20 | Kobaz | yeah |
| 18:27.23 | drmessano | yes |
| 18:27.34 | Kobaz | RichardLynch: yeah that's what happens... you minimize, and it gets swapped out |
| 18:27.52 | Kobaz | i wonder if you can turn that off without turning off swap |
| 18:27.54 | RichardLynch | makes a not to just use alt-tab and not minimize anymore, unless he's really done with an app... |
| 18:28.08 | coppice | Kobaz: not automatically. you can leave a heavy compute job minimised consuming 100% of the CPUs |
| 18:28.24 | Kobaz | coppice: well yeah if it's processing, it's processing |
| 18:28.31 | Kobaz | i'm talking about memory, not cpu |
| 18:29.23 | coppice | it can't compute when its not in memory. :-) they take minimisation into account when choosing what to swap. nothing more. |
| 18:30.09 | RichardLynch | So, if you want an app to not swap, just make it do something useless and suck down CPU instead? That's not exactly a viable recommendation. :-) |
| 18:30.15 | Kobaz | haha |
| 18:31.04 | RichardLynch | Though perhaps you could have it do something on the "minimize" call, so it is super busy during that even, then idle, and it won't get swapped unless it should have? |
| 18:31.11 | RichardLynch | s/even/event/ |
| 18:31.33 | coppice | what is really dumb is background jobs have high enough priority that its easy to make something like a modelling program that computes solidly with no I/O completely lock out the user interface |
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| 18:32.27 | jozza | hi |
| 18:33.09 | jozza | i was here the other day discussing virtual machines, and now i want to create one or two |
| 18:33.26 | jozza | the best choice seems to be hypervisor 1 |
| 18:33.39 | jozza | for running concurrent VMs |
| 18:34.14 | jozza | doesn anone have any experience with which one i should use as host? |
| 18:34.32 | jozza | freeware ufcourse |
| 18:34.44 | smooth_penguin | openaz |
| 18:34.50 | smooth_penguin | openvz |
| 18:35.04 | jozza | ok |
| 18:35.16 | jozza | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:36.21 | joako | I am using asterisk on openvz and it works great. It's not like VMware, not sure what type 1 is. |
| 18:37.17 | jozza | type 1 is where there is no host os like windows or linux |
| 18:37.57 | joako | openvz can only run linux and each linux "virtual machine" runs on the main kernel |
| 18:38.08 | jozza | aha |
| 18:38.13 | jozza | sound good |
| 18:38.27 | jozza | hmm, but i might need one windows to :)) |
| 18:38.45 | drmessano | It doesnt care what you run IN it |
| 18:38.56 | drmessano | AFAIK |
| 18:39.10 | joako | openvz does because it is more of a "virtual envrioment" than a "virtual machine" |
| 18:39.17 | drmessano | I see |
| 18:39.38 | joako | For example if I install openSUSE on it, there is no udev, no bootloader and uname -a outputs redhat kernel |
| 18:39.45 | jozza | ok so i can run any os on the openvz |
| 18:39.57 | drmessano | Use ESXi |
| 18:40.00 | joako | jozza, you can only run linux in openvz |
| 18:40.12 | joako | See this: http://wiki.openvz.org/Introduction_to_virtualization |
| 18:40.20 | jozza | yea i did |
| 18:40.38 | smooth_penguin | well yeah |
| 18:40.43 | smooth_penguin | only linux |
| 18:40.46 | niekvlessert | use xen |
| 18:40.55 | smooth_penguin | ^^ |
| 18:41.09 | niekvlessert | download citrix iso |
| 18:41.12 | jozza | esxi could be worth a try |
| 18:41.14 | niekvlessert | its centos 5.3 |
| 18:41.25 | jozza | i like vmware, it proved to be good |
| 18:41.31 | niekvlessert | vmware esxi sux |
| 18:41.36 | niekvlessert | it's very nice |
| 18:41.44 | niekvlessert | but they've broken things so you buy it |
| 18:41.48 | jozza | does vmware workstation suck too then? |
| 18:42.00 | niekvlessert | i like xen much more, in my host os i can do a lot of stuff |
| 18:42.10 | niekvlessert | in vmware you cannot, they removed everything |
| 18:42.26 | niekvlessert | both virtualize very well |
| 18:42.32 | niekvlessert | no problems with both |
| 18:42.44 | niekvlessert | but vmware is like microsoft... |
| 18:42.46 | jozza | we are still talking type 1 hypervisor? |
| 18:43.05 | niekvlessert | no |
| 18:43.10 | jozza | i don want a host - guest os |
| 18:43.24 | niekvlessert | jozza: type 1 is where there is no host os like windows or linux |
| 18:43.29 | jozza | yea |
| 18:43.31 | niekvlessert | that's not possible |
| 18:43.35 | jozza | thats what i want |
| 18:43.36 | niekvlessert | there's always a host os |
| 18:43.53 | jozza | no |
| 18:43.58 | niekvlessert | where should run the hypervisor on then |
| 18:44.15 | p3nguin | Just because the virtualization runs on bare metal does not mean there is no OS. In your case, the hypervisor is the OS. |
| 18:44.24 | jozza | sure |
| 18:44.34 | jozza | i was talking about win, linux os |
| 18:44.54 | jozza | wherre there is always too much crap running which is needed for nothnig |
| 18:45.03 | jozza | only eating resources |
| 18:45.07 | niekvlessert | agree |
| 18:45.19 | niekvlessert | but both esxi and xen have a very basic os |
| 18:45.22 | niekvlessert | no x |
| 18:45.24 | niekvlessert | no gui |
| 18:45.26 | niekvlessert | no nothing |
| 18:45.35 | jozza | ok |
| 18:45.36 | niekvlessert | at least xen from citrix that is |
| 18:45.54 | jozza | as long as the let me insert a cd and install an os |
| 18:46.13 | niekvlessert | ofc |
| 18:46.37 | jozza | ok then |
| 18:46.42 | niekvlessert | management you do with a tool |
| 18:46.42 | p3nguin | ufc is better. |
| 18:46.51 | niekvlessert | on a remote machine with a x |
| 18:46.57 | jozza | aha |
| 18:47.08 | jozza | so remote linux should do |
| 18:47.21 | niekvlessert | you can even insert a cd into that secondary pc and install.. |
| 18:47.29 | jozza | yeah,, |
| 18:47.34 | jozza | network install ... |
| 18:47.43 | niekvlessert | something like that |
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| 18:47.51 | jozza | dont have all night :) |
| 18:48.03 | jozza | ok so, |
| 18:48.08 | niekvlessert | well go and download citrix xen then :) |
| 18:48.09 | jozza | which one to go with |
| 18:48.49 | ruben23 | hi |
| 18:48.54 | jozza | thats xenserver? |
| 18:49.42 | fenrus | viritualization |
| 18:49.43 | niekvlessert | yeah |
| 18:49.46 | fenrus | o/ |
| 18:49.50 | niekvlessert | xencenter runs only on windows btw... |
| 18:49.58 | niekvlessert | otherwise your stuck to the command line.. |
| 18:50.24 | jozza | xencenter is a management tool? |
| 18:50.28 | niekvlessert | yes |
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| 18:50.44 | niekvlessert | there's more of them, but this ones works very good |
| 18:50.50 | niekvlessert | very well |
| 18:50.54 | niekvlessert | sry im dutch |
| 18:50.57 | jozza | what about management for esxi |
| 18:50.58 | niekvlessert | :) |
| 18:51.03 | niekvlessert | vsphere client |
| 18:51.05 | niekvlessert | also windows only |
| 18:51.18 | niekvlessert | and no alternatives |
| 18:51.21 | jozza | ok |
| 18:52.47 | jozza | penguin: ufc? |
| 18:53.10 | niekvlessert | Ultimate Fighting Championship® |
| 18:53.23 | jozza | crap |
| 18:53.30 | niekvlessert | ;) |
| 18:53.40 | p3nguin | I still need help solving this sip type=peer situation. With type=user I can make calls, with type=friend I can make and receive calls, but with type=peer, * doesn't know that the phone is allowed to make calls. http://pastebin.com/d5af707da |
| 18:53.48 | jozza | i liked the southpark ufc episode |
| 18:54.25 | p3nguin | I liked the South Park Dog the Bounty Hunter episode. |
| 18:54.49 | jozza | cant remember it by title |
| 18:55.13 | niekvlessert | why do you need a user to be a peer? |
| 18:55.51 | p3nguin | niekvlessert: Phones should be peers, from what I've been told. If I set my phone to type=peer, there is a problem. type=friend works, though. |
| 18:56.05 | jozza | who told u that |
| 18:56.11 | p3nguin | [tk]d-fender |
| 18:56.15 | niekvlessert | a sip trunk is a peer |
| 18:56.17 | jozza | only trunks should be peers |
| 18:56.23 | Kobaz | yeah |
| 18:56.26 | Kobaz | phones should be friends |
| 18:56.32 | Kobaz | because a phone needs incoming and outgoing calliong |
| 18:56.44 | niekvlessert | a trunk too btw |
| 18:56.49 | Kobaz | depends |
| 18:57.02 | Kobaz | you may only use a 'sip trunk' for outgoing calling |
| 18:57.05 | niekvlessert | but mostly you define a user and a peer apart from eachother when using a trunk |
| 18:57.08 | Kobaz | or it might be only incoming |
| 18:57.08 | niekvlessert | agree |
| 18:57.09 | p3nguin | That's a silly explanation since peers make and receive calls. |
| 18:57.22 | [TK]D-Fender | Reiteration : Mine, and all of my clients work 100% with "peer" and friend has been phased out |
| 18:57.30 | p3nguin | type=user is the only one that can only make calls inbound to asterisk. |
| 18:57.44 | Kobaz | so now peer is both user and peer? |
| 18:57.48 | p3nguin | nope |
| 18:57.52 | niekvlessert | http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+SIP+user+vs+peer |
| 18:57.59 | [TK]D-Fender | Feel free to discard these many years of happy usage to the fact I still never got that debug after that day |
| 18:58.12 | niekvlessert | interesting |
| 18:58.24 | niekvlessert | they teach it wrong with dcap |
| 18:58.59 | Kobaz | interesting |
| 18:59.22 | p3nguin | type=user can only make calls inbound to asterisk and authentication is done based on username. |
| 18:59.28 | Kobaz | yeah |
| 18:59.32 | Kobaz | i knew that |
| 19:00.31 | p3nguin | type=peer can make calls inbound to asterisk and auth is done based on IP/port; and calls are sent out from asterisk to the devices by Dial(SIP/devicename) |
| 19:00.44 | ManxPower-work | Next week on Friday Night Smackdown: User .vs. Peer |
| 19:00.49 | niekvlessert | lol :D |
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| 19:01.21 | jozza | :)) |
| 19:01.24 | ManxPower-work | One thing to remember is that peer and user functionality is slowly being merged. They are not there yet, but could be in 1.8 |
| 19:01.30 | p3nguin | type=friend has always been that you get the inbound characteristics of type=user PLUS outbound calls like peer. |
| 19:02.24 | p3nguin | But my 7940G cannot make calls inbound to asterisk as type=peer and the debug has been provided. All other phones can still make calls when they are type=peer. |
| 19:03.01 | niekvlessert | well it's cisco... so ;) |
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| 19:03.30 | p3nguin | Buy my 7912G falls into the category of "other phones." |
| 19:03.35 | p3nguin | s/Buy/But/ |
| 19:03.48 | niekvlessert | firmware? |
| 19:04.00 | p3nguin | I don't know how to answer that question. |
| 19:04.18 | niekvlessert | has the 7940 the latest firmware? |
| 19:04.22 | p3nguin | no |
| 19:04.30 | niekvlessert | close to it then? |
| 19:04.32 | p3nguin | yes |
| 19:04.37 | niekvlessert | hmm |
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| 19:05.04 | p3nguin | I have 8.11 on it because 8.12 has a CID bug, and I heard that 8.14 was out but have not looked into getting it. |
| 19:05.15 | niekvlessert | btw, how do you use peer if you want to limit phones getting in the system? |
| 19:05.26 | niekvlessert | using dhcp |
| 19:05.56 | niekvlessert | can you upgrade/downgrade without problems? |
| 19:06.09 | p3nguin | Each device has to have a secret. That usually stops non-authorized phones from getting on. |
| 19:07.03 | p3nguin | Sure, I can upgrade or downgrade the firmware, but I won't upgrade to 8.12 due to the CID bug, and I haven't looked into a version newer than that. |
| 19:07.06 | carrar | [100] |
| 19:07.08 | carrar | secret=100 |
| 19:07.26 | niekvlessert | well, why don't you do that then |
| 19:07.30 | p3nguin | Here's the problem, though: http://pastebin.com/d5af707da |
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| 19:07.43 | niekvlessert | if the 12 works it probably is a firmware thing |
| 19:08.22 | p3nguin | Softphones work, SPA-3102 works, 7921G works... but the 7940G does not like being a peer, but loves to be a friend. |
| 19:08.58 | [TK]D-Fender | ...with benifits |
| 19:09.31 | niekvlessert | weird |
| 19:10.04 | niekvlessert | what is more consistent in the behaviour when using peer instead of friend? |
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| 19:10.31 | p3nguin | Uh, friend consistently works, peer consistently fails. |
| 19:10.47 | [TK]D-Fender | p3nguin: Friend does not work with presence |
| 19:11.15 | p3nguin | and peer fails totally, so you can guess which one I'll use until someone can help me fix it. |
| 19:11.20 | [TK]D-Fender | p3nguin: And apparently fails only with YOUR 7940 who's situation and debug have not been vetted. |
| 19:11.34 | p3nguin | who is situation? |
| 19:11.46 | p3nguin | Oh, whose situation. |
| 19:11.46 | [TK]D-Fender | your 7940's |
| 19:11.47 | Katty | your mom. |
| 19:11.48 | carrar | Please enter the situation room |
| 19:11.59 | Katty | i gave riddick a bath |
| 19:12.06 | carrar | PICS!! |
| 19:12.07 | [TK]D-Fender | completelt the situation |
| 19:12.08 | Katty | big, clean, poofy, doggy |
| 19:12.13 | [TK]D-Fender | completelt the situation |
| 19:12.16 | p3nguin | I gave the only debug available. There is nothing more I can show. |
| 19:12.18 | [TK]D-Fender | completely* |
| 19:12.18 | niekvlessert | but it does work with presence |
| 19:12.19 | [TK]D-Fender | dammit |
| 19:12.24 | niekvlessert | at least with aastra phones |
| 19:12.50 | [TK]D-Fender | p3nguin: You didn't have it that day and you never came back to me with it. |
| 19:12.53 | Katty | I found a recipe for something called Savor Bacon Bites |
| 19:13.17 | ChannelZ | Katty: is the recipe 'bacon' and the tools needed 'a knife'? |
| 19:13.24 | Katty | ChannelZ: no |
| 19:13.30 | p3nguin | [tk]d-fender: I've provided the link to it at least four times in the past hour. Here it is again: http://pastebin.com/d5af707da |
| 19:13.42 | Katty | ChannelZ: it's basically molasses covered onion wedges, wrapped in bacon, and grilled on the bbq grill |
| 19:14.06 | Katty | ChannelZ: and i found this shrimp recipe earlier, where it had this beer and butter type sauce |
| 19:14.16 | Katty | ChannelZ: these super bowl recipes are crazy |
| 19:16.34 | [TK]D-Fender | p3nguin: insecure=no, ditch the templating, and pastebin your 7940 configs |
| 19:17.23 | [TK]D-Fender | p3nguin: Directly integrate the required bits into a simple peer entry |
| 19:21.52 | Katty | ChannelZ: http://www.recipezaar.com/Dirty-Shrimp-in-Butter-Beer-Sauce-79606 |
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| 19:37.38 | p3nguin | [tk]d-fender: http://pastebin.com/d68b4aacf |
| 19:39.56 | [TK]D-Fender | p3nguin: And sip show peer 201? |
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| 19:42.37 | p3nguin | [tk]d-fender: http://pastebin.com/d1ef6bb9c |
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| 19:44.12 | [TK]D-Fender | p3nguin: No try insecure=port,invite |
| 19:44.36 | p3nguin | If type=peer, adding insecure=port makes it work again. |
| 19:44.40 | [TK]D-Fender | p3nguin: because it has registered |
| 19:45.04 | [TK]D-Fender | p3nguin: I'd be thinking that the Cisco isn't sending auth because it doesn't think it has to |
| 19:45.26 | [TK]D-Fender | p3nguin: p3nguin Tried other firwares with it? |
| 19:46.21 | p3nguin | [tk]d-fender: No, I'm using 8.11 because 8.12 has the CID bug, and I heard that 8.14 might be available but I haven't checked. I also did not try any older firmwares. |
| 19:46.59 | p3nguin | insecure=port solves the problem, but you said to NOT use insecure on a phone, so I didn't. |
| 19:47.30 | ManxPower-work | p3nguin: normally you would not use that for a phone. |
| 19:47.51 | p3nguin | But is it okay in this case? Is there any other way to rectify the issue? |
| 19:48.01 | jpvoip | Hello, my dundi istn working. Setting the debug on, i got a response message: " permission to context denied" What am i missing? |
| 19:48.49 | p3nguin | And which is the lesser evil, type=friend insecure=no OR type=peer insecure=port? |
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| 19:57.16 | p3nguin | Or are they both equally as bad? |
| 19:57.36 | [TK]D-Fender | jpvoip : You're missing patience, debug and the ability to stick around for an answer. |
| 19:57.57 | [TK]D-Fender | p3nguin: Correct. |
| 19:58.04 | [TK]D-Fender | p3nguin: Cisco is equally bad :) |
| 19:58.11 | beek | [TK]D-Fender: Good afternoon. |
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| 19:59.08 | jpvoip | hello, my dundi isnt working. When i debug it i see a msg: permission to context denied... what am i missing? |
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| 20:04.33 | p3nguin | what the heck |
| 20:04.44 | p3nguin | How is he ever going to get help if he can't stay online? |
| 20:05.49 | ChannelZ | That's probably most of his problem |
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| 20:09.37 | dlynes_laptop | p3nguin, he's not disconnecting on purpose |
| 20:09.44 | dlynes_laptop | p3nguin, he just has a shitty connection to irc |
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| 20:12.11 | [sr] | howdy people, |
| 20:12.16 | [sr] | i'm newbie :P |
| 20:12.39 | [sr] | there can i grab the web interface for asterisk, or in which package lives it? |
| 20:12.41 | [sr] | i'm on debian |
| 20:13.12 | [TK]D-Fender | [sr]: Which web interface? There are dozens |
| 20:13.26 | ChannelZ | You know, that one. |
| 20:13.38 | dlynes_laptop | there....oej just pulled a jpvoip, too |
| 20:13.39 | [sr] | hum the one that is published on the asterisk webpage |
| 20:13.49 | dlynes_laptop | [sr], asterisk-gui? |
| 20:13.50 | [TK]D-Fender | [sr]: Which? Link please... |
| 20:14.05 | [TK]D-Fender | [sr]: I have an Asterisk web page on my site... |
| 20:14.29 | dlynes_laptop | [sr], i'm guessing you mean freepbx |
| 20:14.31 | ChannelZ | FreePBX |
| 20:14.36 | [sr] | w8 |
| 20:14.38 | [TK]D-Fender | Stop guessing. |
| 20:14.40 | dlynes_laptop | [sr], freepbx.org |
| 20:14.55 | dlynes_laptop | [TK]D-Fender, not guessing...freepbx is the only one mentioned on the asterisk.org homepage |
| 20:15.05 | [TK]D-Fender | "Hi, where can I find [noun deleted]?" |
| 20:15.15 | [TK]D-Fender | dlynes_laptop: He didn't say asterisk.org |
| 20:15.16 | ChannelZ | Guessing is the only fun thing occurring here atm. |
| 20:15.21 | [TK]D-Fender | dlynes_laptop: He also didn't say WHICH page. |
| 20:15.29 | [sr] | wait people!!!!!!! |
| 20:15.34 | dlynes_laptop | [sr]> hum the one that is published on the asterisk webpage |
| 20:15.47 | [TK]D-Fender | dlynes_laptop: And we know how thoroughly you know every page presently hosted byt hem... right? |
| 20:15.48 | [sr] | i'm finding it, now i cant see where it is grrr |
| 20:15.51 | [sr] | wait just a sec |
| 20:16.10 | dlynes_laptop | [TK]D-Fender, i'm just looking at the main home page...nowhere else |
| 20:16.11 | [TK]D-Fender | [sr]: So... you don't know what you want... or where you got the inspiration ot ask about it? |
| 20:16.23 | [TK]D-Fender | dlynes_laptop: Because yes... that's quality research! |
| 20:16.37 | dlynes_laptop | ummmm |
| 20:16.38 | [TK]D-Fender | dlynes_laptop: And clearly he could only have looked as far as you! |
| 20:16.44 | ChannelZ | I'm bored now. |
| 20:16.50 | dlynes_laptop | why are you being such an ass? |
| 20:16.51 | *** join/#asterisk atis_work (~atis_work@193.238.212.171) |
| 20:16.57 | [TK]D-Fender | dlynes_laptop: Not a page linked by an older article to a page about something else <- |
| 20:17.02 | dlynes_laptop | and on my day off, at that |
| 20:17.48 | [sr] | well, it's one that has some screenshots with a orange colour, but now i cant find it, i'm frustrated grrrrrr |
| 20:17.52 | [TK]D-Fender | dlynes_laptop: You are framing him with the scope of your imagination, which isn't exactly widespread and has jumped to several immediate conclusions. This isn't actually being an ass. This is stoping people from projecting onto others. Its a PUBLIC SERICE :) |
| 20:18.09 | dlynes_laptop | public serice....cute |
| 20:18.14 | [TK]D-Fender | dlynes_laptop: Is an "Orange color" an office FreePBX colour? |
| 20:18.18 | [TK]D-Fender | SERVICE* |
| 20:18.36 | [TK]D-Fender | official* |
| 20:18.40 | *** join/#asterisk jpvoip (~jpvoip@76.73.16.26) |
| 20:18.41 | dlynes_laptop | [sr], the digium website, or the asterisk website? |
| 20:18.46 | jpvoip | damnconnection.. |
| 20:18.51 | dlynes_laptop | jpvoip, stick around this time :) |
| 20:19.01 | jpvoip | I will try |
| 20:19.11 | jpvoip | any idea about my dundi problem?? |
| 20:19.40 | [TK]D-Fender | jpvoip: You've shown no configs, and no debug |
| 20:19.55 | [TK]D-Fender | jpvoip: So... umm... I'm sure dlynes_laptop knows EACTLY what the problem is! |
| 20:20.01 | [TK]D-Fender | dlynes_laptop: Go get 'em tiger! |
| 20:20.14 | [TK]D-Fender | sits back and grabs some popcorn |
| 20:20.19 | jozza | later all ...bye |
| 20:20.21 | dlynes_laptop | [TK]D-Fender, blow me :) |
| 20:20.56 | jpvoip | Permission to context denied... is what i got in my debug |
| 20:21.09 | dlynes_laptop | jpvoip, that's not a debug |
| 20:21.12 | [TK]D-Fender | jpvoip: we don't see configs anywhere... or the call to it. |
| 20:21.16 | dlynes_laptop | jpvoip, that's an error message |
| 20:21.24 | [TK]D-Fender | jpvoip: that's a single error message.. nothing leading up to it. |
| 20:21.33 | jpvoip | yes... but it shows when i set the dundi debug on |
| 20:21.43 | [sr] | dlynes_laptop: this one;: http://images.howtoforge.com/images/asterisk_pbx_linux/big/Screenshot.png |
| 20:21.49 | [TK]D-Fender | jpvoip: Just because you show me a picture of a cadaver doesn't mean I can tell you who killed him. |
| 20:21.57 | jpvoip | i follow all the instruction in the " dundi so easy a caveman... " |
| 20:22.08 | [TK]D-Fender | dlynes_laptop: Hey.. look at the screenshot? |
| 20:22.13 | [TK]D-Fender | dlynes_laptop: What is that exactly? |
| 20:22.13 | dlynes_laptop | [sr], that one's not available any longer...it's a discontinued product |
| 20:22.19 | [sr] | [TK]D-Fender: don't be mad at me :P |
| 20:22.22 | dlynes_laptop | [sr], it's been replaced with freepbx |
| 20:22.25 | [TK]D-Fender | [sr]: I'm not.... |
| 20:22.31 | [TK]D-Fender | dlynes_laptop: Ummm... NO |
| 20:22.42 | dlynes_laptop | [TK]D-Fender, that's switchvox? |
| 20:22.47 | [TK]D-Fender | dlynes_laptop: FAIL |
| 20:22.54 | [sr] | [TK]D-Fender: :P |
| 20:23.00 | dlynes_laptop | [TK]D-Fender, then, pray tell what is it, guru fender? |
| 20:23.04 | jpvoip | what config do u want i to shwo |
| 20:23.22 | ChannelZ | Asterisk-GUI? |
| 20:23.22 | [sr] | dlynes_laptop: hum... ok so now freepbx gui for asterisk, is the one that is most used / the best, right? |
| 20:23.26 | [TK]D-Fender | [sr]: that is AsteriskGUI. it can be downloaded direct from their SVN |
| 20:24.00 | [TK]D-Fender | dlynes_laptop: [sr] And there is no package for it that I've ever heard of |
| 20:24.05 | [TK]D-Fender | [sr] And there is no package for it that I've ever heard of |
| 20:24.17 | dlynes_laptop | Ok....i guess they're still producing it then....thought they discontinued it, when they removed it from the asterisk now distribution |
| 20:24.27 | [sr] | ok was going to make that question |
| 20:24.33 | [sr] | but reasking |
| 20:24.36 | [TK]D-Fender | [sr]: What are your goals? |
| 20:24.48 | [sr] | [TK]D-Fender: have a gui for asterisk |
| 20:24.57 | [TK]D-Fender | [sr]:Both technically do that. |
| 20:25.10 | [TK]D-Fender | [sr]: What kind of functionality do you want to have? |
| 20:25.11 | [sr] | ok but for sure there's one that is better |
| 20:25.19 | [TK]D-Fender | [sr]: better at WHAT? |
| 20:25.25 | dlynes_laptop | [sr], what is it that you actually want to do with asterisk??? |
| 20:25.30 | [sr] | [TK]D-Fender: thats a complicated question since i'm starting!!! |
| 20:25.44 | [TK]D-Fender | [sr]: Knowing what you want to do is COMPLICATED? |
| 20:25.57 | [TK]D-Fender | [sr]: Hi, I want to start cooking. Whats better, apples or oranges? |
| 20:26.10 | [sr] | dlynes_laptop: i have a 4 FXO card, and will use softphone to receive/make calls |
| 20:26.15 | [TK]D-Fender | [sr]: If what I really want is to make an apple pie then I guess the answer is clearly ORANGES |
| 20:26.41 | [sr] | let me make the question on other way |
| 20:26.51 | [TK]D-Fender | [sr]: Any GUI could be considered sufficient for eltting you "place calls". |
| 20:26.56 | dlynes_laptop | [sr], do you want to do autoattendant? authenticated calling for long distance? music on hold? pipe in radio for music on hold? speech recognition? , .... |
| 20:27.08 | jpvoip | http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/8344/dundierror.jpg |
| 20:27.11 | ChannelZ | 1-900 phone sex? |
| 20:27.15 | [sr] | which GUI do you guys use? |
| 20:27.22 | ChannelZ | None. None GUI. |
| 20:27.23 | dlynes_laptop | [sr], do you want any kind of flexibility? or do you just need something to route calls? |
| 20:27.24 | [sr] | dlynes_laptop: i also want to explore it |
| 20:27.52 | [TK]D-Fender | [sr]: And some would say that configuring * to do it yourself is easier than doing the complete installation of several other application, database servers, web services, security, and then learning that GUI and enough to do the part you have to do with BOTH approachs as being "harder" |
| 20:27.52 | jpvoip | [TK]D-Fender: http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/8344/dundierror.jpg |
| 20:28.17 | [TK]D-Fender | [sr]: This channel does not SUPPORT GUI installes, and most here don't tend to run GUI's |
| 20:28.26 | dlynes_laptop | [sr], if you want to have flexibility, without having to down a few tylenol 3's trying to figure out how to do it, you probably don't want a gui |
| 20:28.49 | [sr] | oh |
| 20:28.55 | jpvoip | [TK]D-Fender: That is the dundi debug message |
| 20:29.00 | [TK]D-Fender | jpvoip: no configs in there. I don't see what you've set up at all |
| 20:29.13 | [sr] | i'll try both then |
| 20:29.30 | [sr] | i'm newbie to asterisk but i'm not newbie in the rest... but ok |
| 20:29.37 | ChannelZ | ponders lunch |
| 20:29.39 | dlynes_laptop | jpvoip, Why not copy/paste the screen output as text, instead of a screen capture? |
| 20:29.45 | [sr] | don't need to label me as a completly newbie |
| 20:29.52 | dlynes_laptop | [sr], if you've got linux experience |
| 20:29.52 | [TK]D-Fender | ~PB |
| 20:29.53 | infobot | [~pb] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://bin.cakephp.org/ , or apt-get install pastebinit |
| 20:29.54 | [TK]D-Fender | ^^^^^^^ |
| 20:30.09 | dlynes_laptop | [sr], you're probably better off starting out with the basic asterisk (no gui) |
| 20:30.16 | [sr] | dlynes_laptop: 13 years on debian, enough? :P |
| 20:30.21 | dlynes_laptop | [sr], easily |
| 20:30.31 | jpvoip | dlynes-laptop: Virtual Machine.. cant copy/paste.... i will setup a telnet to do this now |
| 20:30.31 | dlynes_laptop | [sr], and besides |
| 20:30.32 | Nugget | telnet is eeeeeeevil! |
| 20:30.47 | dlynes_laptop | [sr], freepbx is a bitch to install on debian |
| 20:31.14 | dlynes_laptop | [sr], too many things are done the centos way |
| 20:31.30 | [sr] | tks for the information |
| 20:31.38 | [sr] | i hate *redhat* stuff's |
| 20:31.39 | dlynes_laptop | jpvoip, I copy/paste from a virtual machine regularly |
| 20:32.16 | dlynes_laptop | jpvoip, a lot use a shared clipboard |
| 20:32.32 | dlynes_laptop | jpvoip, others you can ssh into, and just copy/paste the way you would in any other linux terminal |
| 20:32.46 | [TK]D-Fender | jpvoip: So SSh in from the system you're IRC-ing from |
| 20:33.43 | [sr] | dlynes_laptop: [20:30:10] <dlynes_laptop> [sr], you're probably better off starting out with the basic asterisk (no gui) |
| 20:34.00 | [sr] | dlynes_laptop: yes but, the GUI is needed for other people, non linux guys, get the point? |
| 20:34.20 | [sr] | my english is bad sorry |
| 20:34.59 | [TK]D-Fender | [sr]: No, you've jsut made another point |
| 20:35.18 | ManxPower-work | [sr]: If you use a GUI we will not be able to help you. You will have to seek support from people that use the Asterisk GUI that you are using. |
| 20:35.20 | [sr] | sorry then, as i said my english is kinda bad |
| 20:35.25 | [TK]D-Fender | [sr]: So non-bright non-techie people will be administering your system which will act as a PBX? |
| 20:35.40 | [sr] | yes, windows guys |
| 20:36.09 | [TK]D-Fender | [sr]: Ok, do you feel that the call processing and functionality you will require will have to be highly specialized? |
| 20:36.29 | [TK]D-Fender | [sr]: Like complex decisions when someone dials another persons phone |
| 20:36.38 | *** join/#asterisk mrprozac (~mrprozac@132-82-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl) |
| 20:37.03 | [TK]D-Fender | [sr]: or are you looking for basic autoattendants, call queues, voicemail, etc? |
| 20:37.06 | *** join/#asterisk oej (~olle@ns.webway.se) |
| 20:37.44 | [sr] | for now is just for internal use & testing |
| 20:37.53 | [sr] | i want to get into the IP PBX stuff |
| 20:37.57 | [TK]D-Fender | [sr]: that really doesn't say anything |
| 20:38.19 | [TK]D-Fender | [sr]: And so far the only IP thing about this is your idea to use soft-phones. Which... suck |
| 20:39.05 | dlynes_laptop | [sr], so windows guys are going to be configuring/administering the system? Or are they just going to be using phones? |
| 20:39.21 | [TK]D-Fender | dlynes_laptop: He just answered that... |
| 20:39.22 | [sr] | both i hope! |
| 20:39.51 | dlynes_laptop | no...he mentioned administering, not configuring...not quite the same thing |
| 20:39.59 | [TK]D-Fender | [sr]: So abstract as this migh sound, can you say that you suspect your needs are that of a typical corporate PBX user? |
| 20:40.23 | [sr] | dlynes_laptop: that |
| 20:40.33 | [sr] | [TK]D-Fender: dont say complicated words... lol |
| 20:40.34 | [TK]D-Fender | dlynes_laptop: Where do you draw that line, and what products that you would recommend sit on which side? |
| 20:40.58 | [TK]D-Fender | [sr]: Since you have problems with the the idea of "complicated", I'll take that as a "no" |
| 20:41.17 | dlynes_laptop | [TK]D-Fender, administering....troubleshooting, starting and stopping the service, and not much else |
| 20:41.29 | [TK]D-Fender | [sr]: Would you be looking to run your PBX on a dedicated PC or alongside a server doing other functions? |
| 20:41.33 | dlynes_laptop | [TK]D-Fender, configuring....adding sip peers, users, dialplan contexts, voicemail entries, ... |
| 20:41.36 | jpvoip | TK]D-Fender,dlynes_laptop: so, here is the config. of both servers: http://pastebin.com/d1b6097e7 |
| 20:41.48 | dlynes_laptop | jpvoip, doesn't help me...i know zero about dundi |
| 20:41.48 | [sr] | [TK]D-Fender: dedicated server! |
| 20:42.06 | [TK]D-Fender | dlynes_laptop: We're talking about suggesting a PRODUCT to use on top of * here. So what product sits on the fence that is different in terms of "administering" vs "configuring"? |
| 20:42.48 | [TK]D-Fender | dlynes_laptop: Is FreePBX not fo someone "configuring"? What about Thirdlane? Is that for configuring, but not administering? |
| 20:42.52 | dlynes_laptop | [TK]D-Fender, zippo....was determining if he actually needed freepbx, or if some simple pages whipped up in php that interfaced with the database would suffice |
| 20:43.41 | [TK]D-Fender | dlynes_laptop: Well he knows nothing of configuring * so far.... and no details about how much his other people would need to be able to "personalise" |
| 20:44.00 | dlynes_laptop | and that's why i'm trying to ascertain that |
| 20:44.03 | jpvoip | [TK]D-Fender: so, any idea? |
| 20:44.28 | [TK]D-Fender | [sr]: Ok, if I were you... coming into this knowing nothing... I'd start by downloaded the latest AsteriskNOW ISO and start with that. You will see what FreePBX offers with the hassle of installing every piece by yourself. |
| 20:45.36 | [sr] | [TK]D-Fender: nah, i like challanges, and i already have asterisk GUI installed :D |
| 20:45.51 | [TK]D-Fender | [sr]: No, that is blind masochism :p |
| 20:45.59 | [sr] | heeh |
| 20:46.06 | [sr] | a bit i admit |
| 20:47.10 | [TK]D-Fender | [sr]: AsteriskGUI is not being currently maintained, and you have to do a lot more direct coding yourself to make it functional. It does not make as much "convenient" as what FreePBX currently offers, and there is a large support base for FreePBX |
| 20:47.45 | [sr] | going to check it also |
| 20:47.51 | [sr] | but now im going dinner!! |
| 20:47.58 | [sr] | thank you all ;) |
| 20:48.05 | [sr] | no had feelings :P |
| 20:48.09 | [sr] | had=hard |
| 20:48.34 | [TK]D-Fender | [sr]: FreePBX has a modular structure that lets people make independently downloadable "plug-ins" to enhance it for which many useful modules have already been created. On that basis it seems a logical start to evaluating GUI's for Asterisk |
| 20:48.54 | [TK]D-Fender | [sr]: No hard feelings at all... |
| 20:49.02 | [sr] | but wait |
| 20:49.04 | [sr] | before i go |
| 20:49.06 | [TK]D-Fender | restores some deleted spam and goes shopping... |
| 20:49.22 | [sr] | freepbx, is also a PBX, not just a GUI, right? |
| 20:49.38 | [sr] | stupid question i know |
| 20:49.42 | [TK]D-Fender | [sr]: No, it is a 3rd party Web interface that configures Asterisk for you |
| 20:49.53 | jpvoip | damn dundi :( |
| 20:49.53 | [TK]D-Fender | [sr]: Its a bolt-on, just like AsteriskGUI |
| 20:50.08 | [sr] | bolt-on = ? |
| 20:50.14 | [TK]D-Fender | [sr]: Except that its considerably more mature, has a large user base, and is being maintained. |
| 20:50.44 | [TK]D-Fender | [sr]: bolt-on : something that you add to do something for you. These GUI's configure * for you using their concepts and framework. |
| 20:51.13 | [sr] | hum like modules/add-ons |
| 20:51.51 | [TK]D-Fender | [sr]: Well... Asterisk doesn't have a "plug-in" concept for this... I meant more like jsut another package you can install on your server to do this for you. |
| 20:52.09 | [TK]D-Fender | [sr]: think of them like you would Webmin or PHPMySQL |
| 20:52.18 | [sr] | i get the point |
| 20:52.21 | [sr] | thats interesting |
| 20:52.31 | [TK]D-Fender | [sr]: they configure *'s config files, jsut the same |
| 20:52.41 | [TK]D-Fender | [sr]: So they don't do more than you could do yourself. |
| 20:53.01 | [TK]D-Fender | [sr]: and they in fact limit you to what their processing flow was conceived to acheive |
| 20:53.03 | ChannelZ | Except make things more complicated most of the time |
| 20:53.26 | [TK]D-Fender | [sr]: So if you want to do something very creative and practical that their framework didn't make room for, then you aren't going to be able to do it |
| 20:53.45 | [TK]D-Fender | I shold write a very solid article on this... |
| 20:53.50 | [TK]D-Fender | should* |
| 20:53.54 | [sr] | u should :P |
| 20:55.08 | *** join/#asterisk Torrieri (~Torrieri@nelug/crew/torrieri) |
| 20:55.25 | [sr] | going dinner |
| 20:55.28 | [sr] | tks guys |
| 20:55.44 | [TK]D-Fender | jpvoip: [priv] <- doesn't have a "secret=" defined to match the one you specif in DUNDi |
| 20:55.49 | [TK]D-Fender | [sr]: you're welcome |
| 20:55.53 | [sr] | :) |
| 20:55.55 | [sr] | behave |
| 20:57.30 | jpvoip | [TK]D-Fender: on iax.conf ? |
| 20:59.21 | jpvoip | Damnit.. disconnected again? |
| 21:01.13 | mrprozac | Hi, i have a problem installing AsteriskNOW. I downloaded the ISO and burned to two discs using different burners and i can't boot from both discs. I am trying to install AsteriskNOW for test purposes at the moment, if everything works a-ok i will use it in my home environment. |
| 21:01.18 | [TK]D-Fender | jpvoip: Yes in iax.conf |
| 21:01.30 | voipmonk | burn slower, mrprozac |
| 21:01.33 | [TK]D-Fender | jpvoip: There is no secret there, yet you specify one in your other side |
| 21:01.36 | voipmonk | or find another source |
| 21:01.40 | voipmonk | or both |
| 21:01.45 | mrprozac | i burned at 2x (slowest speed) |
| 21:02.01 | ChannelZ | Do they post an md5sum? Make sure your DL isn't jacked |
| 21:02.01 | [TK]D-Fender | Maybe your doewnload is corrupted. |
| 21:02.15 | mrprozac | i downloaded the ISO twice from the *now website, hopeing that the download was corrupted |
| 21:02.26 | ChannelZ | Maybe you hoped too hard and it is |
| 21:02.31 | jpvoip | [TK]D-Fender: Never used this and alays worked |
| 21:02.33 | voipmonk | delete the iso and download again from a diff source... use the md5 hash if they have one to check the contents |
| 21:02.46 | jpvoip | [TK]D-Fender: dbsecret is set |
| 21:03.00 | [TK]D-Fender | jpvoip: that is NOT "secret=" |
| 21:03.05 | ChannelZ | Does the CD mount OK on an existing system? |
| 21:03.06 | mrprozac | what is a reliable and fast source? |
| 21:03.17 | mrprozac | the CD's mount ok in windows |
| 21:03.22 | [TK]D-Fender | mrDo other bootable ISO's currently work fine? |
| 21:03.27 | ChannelZ | maybe your computer just doesn't want to boot off CDs |
| 21:03.31 | jpvoip | [TK]D-Fender: Yes.. but is really necessary? dundi configuration guides donstell about this parameter |
| 21:03.39 | mrprozac | nope, nothing wrong in the BIOS |
| 21:03.51 | [TK]D-Fender | jpvoip: Because DUNDi isn't protocol specific <- |
| 21:03.59 | mrprozac | yes, HBCD, Windows XP, Windows XP nlite all boot off the machine |
| 21:04.02 | ChannelZ | What did you burn with |
| 21:04.07 | [TK]D-Fender | jpvoip: therefor there is no magic IAX-specific parameter |
| 21:04.13 | mrprozac | Infrerecorder, Nero and PowerISO |
| 21:05.01 | *** join/#asterisk JAMMAN2110 (~james@unaffiliated/jamman2110) |
| 21:05.28 | jpvoip | [TK]D-Fender: The error says: Permission to context denied. i guess there is a extension problem, and not an IAX problem |
| 21:06.07 | jpvoip | [TK]D-Fender: There isnt any information on google about this error |
| 21:06.48 | jpvoip | [TK]D-Fender: i've used dundi before succesfully whithout setting secret= parameter on iax.conf |
| 21:08.32 | [TK]D-Fender | jpvoip: Do it |
| 21:08.56 | [TK]D-Fender | jpvoip: And be clearer in your pastebin as to whats on the calling side, and what's on the called side |
| 21:09.15 | *** join/#asterisk [8none1] (~8none1]@c-68-52-180-102.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) |
| 21:09.21 | mrprozac | i've perfomed a md5checksum and it turned out the same. ed671b5b76caf28ea08a2028d8930ae6 |
| 21:10.21 | ChannelZ | so what happens.. nothing? black screen? An error? |
| 21:10.39 | mrprozac | it's skipps the disc and goes to the next boot device |
| 21:10.55 | mrprozac | and if i disable all boot devices except the disc i get a boot error |
| 21:11.17 | mrprozac | no bootable device found, insert boot device and press any key to continue |
| 21:11.34 | mrprozac | i have tried the internal disc drive and an USB disc drive |
| 21:12.08 | mrprozac | the bios recognizes the USB device, and using HBCD i can access/read the content. but i cannot boot from the disc |
| 21:13.13 | mrprozac | is there another way to install *? ie. installing centos seperatly and then install * from the console? |
| 21:13.45 | voipmonk | sure |
| 21:13.52 | voipmonk | go for it, mrprozac |
| 21:14.33 | voipmonk | you would increase your knowledge of asterisk by a few points by installing from the 'console' :) |
| 21:15.19 | Igramul | Hi, does Asterisk look for the file extension .call in /var/spool/asterisk/outgoing or is every file considered a call file? |
| 21:16.02 | ManxPower-work | Igramul: every file, IIRC. Create the file in another directory on the same partition, then move it to the correct location after you've written all the data. |
| 21:16.13 | voipmonk | exciting isnt it.... waiting for asterisk to pick up the call file and DO something with it ... like make a call or some creative action :) |
| 21:16.41 | Igramul | ManxPower-work, thanks. |
| 21:18.43 | Igramul | Is it a good idea to use /var/spool/asterisk/tmp for the preparation of the call file? |
| 21:23.30 | [TK]D-Fender | Igramul: Doesn't matter where else it starts |
| 21:24.08 | [TK]D-Fender | Igramul: It must be on the same filesystem, that's all |
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| 21:24.34 | jpvoip | [TK]D-Fender: same error |
| 21:25.03 | [TK]D-Fender | jpvoip: newer clearer pastebin please |
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| 21:50.14 | Godfather_ | o/ |
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| 22:01.10 | nunners | can anyone point me in the direction of a step-by-step guide for installing/configuring dahdi & tdm410p... can't seem to find anything anywhere... |
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| 22:06.43 | [sr] | howdy |
| 22:06.45 | [sr] | im back |
| 22:06.46 | [sr] | :P |
| 22:07.20 | nunners | Is anyone online tonight? |
| 22:07.36 | [sr] | i was trying to install freepbx, and now asterisk doesn't start, how can i start debuging why it doesnt start? |
| 22:08.50 | [TK]D-Fender | [sr]: start it manually and see what it tells you in console |
| 22:09.16 | [sr] | Asterisk ended with exit status 1 |
| 22:09.16 | [sr] | Asterisk died with code 1. |
| 22:09.16 | [sr] | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:09.20 | [sr] | this |
| 22:09.40 | [TK]D-Fender | [sr]: pastebin the actual output |
| 22:09.53 | [sr] | ur right sorry |
| 22:09.57 | nunners | Just to fill in a bit more... I was previously using asterisk 1.4, but thought I'd go to the latest 1.6, and as I've now got to use dahdi, that's where I'm lost... is it worth dropping back to 1.4? |
| 22:09.58 | [sr] | but that's just that |
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| 22:10.29 | [TK]D-Fender | nunners: DAHDI setup is nearly identical to Zaptel. |
| 22:10.43 | [TK]D-Fender | [sr]: pastebin the entire attempt |
| 22:10.48 | [sr] | [TK]D-Fender: http://pastebin.com/m760786c4 |
| 22:11.10 | [TK]D-Fender | [sr]: safe_asterisk <- NOT DIRECT |
| 22:11.21 | [TK]D-Fender | [sr]: asterisk -gvvvvvvvvc |
| 22:11.56 | [sr] | cool, didn't knew this part :d |
| 22:12.34 | [sr] | [TK]D-Fender: http://pastebin.com/m2ddd3674 |
| 22:15.17 | [sr] | [TK]D-Fender: well, was checking this output, and at least for me i don't see any error or something indicating something went wrong |
| 22:15.57 | nunners | [tk] - thanks... for some reason though, dahdi_cfg -vv doesn't come back with anything, but dahdi_hardware shows the correct card... am I missing something? |
| 22:16.23 | [TK]D-Fender | nunners: CONFIGS maybe? |
| 22:16.42 | nunners | I thought dahdi_cfg showed that, or does it just test the config? |
| 22:17.27 | [TK]D-Fender | nunners: test |
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| 22:17.58 | nunners | ah... is there not a "make config file" option with dahdi like there was with zaptel? |
| 22:18.49 | [sr] | [TK]D-Fender: ideas? |
| 22:22.37 | ManxPower-work | zaptel never had a "make config file" It only had "make config" |
| 22:23.04 | ManxPower-work | nunners: have you read the readme and install information included with the DAHDI tarball? |
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| 22:26.29 | [sr] | i think i may found something |
| 22:26.36 | [sr] | [Feb 6 22:23:46] ERROR[10920] stdtime/localtime.c: Cannot initialize file notification service: Function not implemented (38) |
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| 22:26.47 | [sr] | on l.......log/asterisk/full |
| 22:27.03 | [sr] | where can i disable this or install? |
| 22:28.55 | [sr] | [TK]D-Fender: any clue? |
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| 22:44.43 | WindBack | Is there any way to save all the information from the sip.conf in an database and use it instead of sip.conf?? |
| 22:44.52 | voipmonk | yes |
| 22:45.14 | voipmonk | extconfig, mysql, realtime or u can use "MYSQL" app that comes with asterisk-addons... some like postgres but i use mysql |
| 22:45.37 | voipmonk | do a search on extconfig mysql realtime sip database |
| 22:45.50 | voipmonk | err - u might want to throw asterisk in that search, too |
| 22:46.19 | WindBack | voipmonk: I heard that with ARA, I will not have nat, qualify and hints support? |
| 22:47.37 | ManxPower-work | "If I only had a little humility, I'd be perfect." --Ted Turner |
| 22:48.19 | WindBack | I want to continue using static configuration but I want to save the sip configruation in a database. Is my best option MYSQL from the addons?? |
| 22:49.10 | voipmonk | you want to continue munching on crunchy peanut butter but you want creamy non crunchy peanut butter from the same container...... hrmmmmmm |
| 22:49.31 | voipmonk | you can do this |
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| 22:50.43 | WindBack | voipmonk: sorry I dindt undesrtand your example, I'm an argentinian gay and my english is not so good |
| 22:50.56 | voipmonk | um... |
| 22:51.10 | voipmonk | ... |
| 22:51.15 | voipmonk | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:51.16 | ManxPower-work | Happy, I imagine. |
| 22:51.20 | voipmonk | did you mean "guy" ? |
| 22:51.33 | WindBack | voipmonk: yess |
| 22:51.48 | WindBack | voipmonk: sorry, this was a awfull mistake |
| 22:51.57 | WindBack | hahaha |
| 22:52.06 | ManxPower-work | WindBack: I thought it was funny. |
| 22:52.37 | WindBack | I'm not gay I'm a guy |
| 22:52.41 | voipmonk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksDMOwfNr3c |
| 22:52.53 | ManxPower-work | WindBack: You should consider subscribing to the asterisk-users mailing list. It may be easier to overcome the language barrier on a mailing list. |
| 22:53.53 | WindBack | ManxPower-work: I undertand english well, but not this kind of examples like: "you want to continue munching on crunchy peanut butter but you want creamy non crunchy peanut butter from the same container...... hrmmmmmm" |
| 22:54.09 | voipmonk | hehe |
| 22:54.11 | voipmonk | :) |
| 22:55.34 | WindBack | voipmonk: so, using MYSQL from asterisk addons, when i will add a new peer in the database, Will I need to reload the sip module? |
| 22:55.53 | WindBack | voipmonk: Does it work in this way? |
| 22:56.19 | voipmonk | ugh - |
| 22:56.35 | voipmonk | what do you mean by "static" lets start there :) |
| 22:57.04 | voipmonk | why do you want to use static configs, cant you put those in the db, too and put everything in the db? |
| 22:57.10 | voipmonk | I did... :) |
| 22:57.58 | WindBack | I red that using Asterisk real time, you can add peers dinamically. I think, that using * real time, you dont need to reload the sip module to add the new peer to memory |
| 22:58.12 | voipmonk | nope no need to reload sip |
| 22:58.56 | WindBack | voipmonk: and what happend when you use the MYSQL from addons? |
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| 22:59.23 | WindBack | voipmonk: do you need to reload the sip module to add the new peer previously loaded to the db?? |
| 22:59.50 | WindBack | voipmonk: or is like ARA? |
| 23:00.44 | voipmonk | you dont need to reload if you use sip_users and sip_peers in extconfig and setup mysql to house your configs |
| 23:01.21 | voipmonk | http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+RealTime+Sip |
| 23:01.39 | voipmonk | still works |
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| 23:06.30 | WindBack | voipmonk: so, once I put the sip_users and sip_peers in extenconfig asterisk start to load the configuration from the db instead of the standard configuration files? |
| 23:07.33 | voipmonk | if you have your mysql credentials setup - and loaded the schema into the db - yezzir |
| 23:07.35 | voipmonk | yes |
| 23:08.50 | WindBack | voipmonk: And I can continue using the standard extensions.conf togheter with this? |
| 23:14.46 | voipmonk | yes you can |
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| 23:17.29 | WindBack | voipmonk: thanks |
| 23:18.24 | WindBack | voipmonk: Is there any formal documentation which explains which columns do I have to create in my database according to my specific asterisk version? |
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