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| 00:34.20 | carrar | doh! |
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| 00:56.14 | p3nguin | Will someone explain to me what effect a codec's frame size has on the system as a whole? |
| 00:57.04 | p3nguin | Is there simply more overhead when using a smaller frame size? |
| 00:57.16 | p3nguin | More CPU time for transcoding? |
| 00:57.25 | p3nguin | More bandwidth used? |
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| 02:03.05 | WIMPy | More RTP overhead -> more bandwidth. |
| 02:03.10 | ChannelZ | It's a balance between all those things. More smaller packets means lower latency but more overhead |
| 02:03.55 | WIMPy | But smaller delay -> less for echo cancellers to fail and less impact of packet loss. |
| 02:05.05 | WIMPy | Overhead on CPU time should be negnigible. |
| 02:05.26 | p3nguin | If there is enough available bandwidth, smaller frame size would produce better audio quality? |
| 02:05.46 | WIMPy | Generally no. |
| 02:06.15 | p3nguin | If bandwidth is greatly limited, is a larger frame size usually preferred? |
| 02:06.20 | WIMPy | But when you have a little packet loss: yes. |
| 02:06.56 | WIMPy | And if the delay is just exceeding the maximum delay some EC can handle, it will make a big difference. |
| 02:07.27 | WIMPy | And, yes, if bandwidth is an issue, larger frames help. |
| 02:07.53 | WIMPy | Low bitrate codecs don't make sense without bigger framesizes due to the massive rtp overhead. |
| 02:09.03 | WIMPy | What good is it to use only 8kbit of data instead of 64kbit, if you already waste 32kbit on rtp overhead? |
| 02:10.09 | WIMPy | Here the famous IAX trunk can make a big difference as well. |
| 02:11.31 | p3nguin | I'm already using trunking, but I'm wanting to increase quality as much as possible as efficiently as possible. I'm not sure ulaw fits that criteria. |
| 02:12.18 | WIMPy | Ok, that makes smaller framesizes much cheaper. |
| 02:13.13 | p3nguin | I don't do trunking from everywhere, so I'm still interested in the effects without trunking as well. |
| 02:13.25 | p3nguin | to/from |
| 02:13.41 | p3nguin | Like I do IAX2 with one ITSP but SIP with another. |
| 02:13.49 | WIMPy | Using 10ms instead of the default 20ms will double the overhead, either per call or per trunk. |
| 02:14.18 | WIMPy | However, minimising delay can itself increase quality. |
| 02:15.01 | p3nguin | I'm not sure that going from ulaw:20 down to ulaw:10 would be beneficial to me. |
| 02:15.18 | WIMPy | It you already have high delay, e.g. due to multiple conversions between voip and tdm or worse with a mobile phone, it's a little less likely to be noticed. |
| 02:16.38 | WIMPy | Using DSL usually produces quite some dealy as well. |
| 02:18.02 | WIMPy | And don't forget that the delay is applied in both directions, so changing from 20 to 10 will remove a total of 20ms round trip delay. |
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| 02:23.12 | WIMPy | For comparison: The HWEC on the Digium cards only work with up to 128ms round trip delay. |
| 02:24.02 | WIMPy | Which should be around the area where the delay would become noticible to humans. |
| 02:24.22 | WIMPy | So you deinitely want to stay below that. |
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| 02:29.52 | VoipForces | Hi guys, well, it happened, despite every precaution and SIP strong passwords, An installation got 2 SIP account hijackedâ¦. IP are from Germany and somewhere on the WestBank⦠Target phone number most often dialled was, strangly in Sweeden⦠I have tighten security, pus watch script, BUT what are my options in getting those guys ? |
| 02:33.36 | p3nguin | The attacker guessed your 12 character alpha-numeric SIP account names and their 13+ character passwords on them? |
| 02:33.37 | ChannelZ | Dunno about German law |
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| 02:34.08 | VoipForces | the secret was 10 chars, digits letters, upper and lower case... |
| 02:34.12 | ChannelZ | I guess you start with the ISP and see if they will do anything about giving you information on who was using the IPs, and then try to sue them? |
| 02:34.36 | ChannelZ | How much money did they actually cost you? |
| 02:34.40 | VoipForces | ChannelZ: email to ISP already sent. |
| 02:34.52 | p3nguin | I figured fail2ban would have blocked the attacker at the firewall long before they could guess the 12 character alpha-numeric SIP account names and their passwords. |
| 02:34.56 | tyman | There is more probability that the sniffed it than cracked it if it was a good password |
| 02:35.06 | VoipForces | ChannelZ: Hard to tell at this point. Will have to wait to contact AllStream sales on Tuesday. |
| 02:35.54 | VoipForces | tyman: How could you sniff a server in Canada from there? AND a server that was live on the internet only since a few days ! |
| 02:36.25 | ChannelZ | Unless it was many thousands of dollars it's probably not worth pursuing, sadly |
| 02:36.53 | greenwolf | question..for scalibility do you recommend asterisk or freeswitch? |
| 02:37.02 | greenwolf | has anybody worked with freeswitch? |
| 02:37.11 | tyman | VoipForces: That information travels thru the internet and any router along the way can have a port spanned into a log being watched for just such traffic |
| 02:37.23 | VoipForces | ChannelZ: I know, its sad. And I see more and more brute force attempts... |
| 02:37.54 | VoipForces | tyman: True enough. |
| 02:39.00 | tyman | VoipForces: If your passwords are truly random (enough) then it's more likely than being brute forced as you're logs would show huge amounts of attempts |
| 02:39.15 | ChannelZ | Or someone just gave away their credentials |
| 02:39.23 | tyman | totally |
| 02:39.46 | tyman | social engineering is always simplestâ¦ask Mitnik |
| 02:39.51 | ChannelZ | :) |
| 02:40.06 | VoipForces | ChannelZ: That would trully suck... |
| 02:40.38 | ChannelZ | Is this an office/business system, or a random for-pay system, or..? |
| 02:40.58 | tyman | That's the biggest problem, I see, with voip securityâ¦not as much the transport as the prob with shared keys |
| 02:40.59 | VoipForces | ChannelZ: Office... |
| 02:41.48 | ChannelZ | Change the SIP device and secret for the peer that did it, but tell the guy who normally uses it that it was some configuration problem or something innocent. |
| 02:41.52 | VoipForces | ChannelZ: you mean the system that was attacked? |
| 02:41.55 | ChannelZ | If it happens again to the new peer, well, there's your answer. |
| 02:42.53 | ChannelZ | Yeah the system that was attacked. IE is it being used by what should be trustworthy people in a single office, etc. |
| 02:43.29 | VoipForces | ChannelZ: Well, my customer is already aware of the attack. It's a survey house (ligit LOL). |
| 02:43.47 | VoipForces | Anyway will wait and see the $$ damage on Tuesday. |
| 02:44.11 | VoipForces | What would be the point in calling throusands of time the same number in Sweden ??? |
| 02:44.23 | ChannelZ | Teenagers in love |
| 02:44.42 | ChannelZ | Or perhaps another compromised system they in turned dialed out of to other numbers |
| 02:44.52 | VoipForces | 60 channels woth of LOVE... |
| 02:44.54 | ChannelZ | who knows |
| 02:45.00 | ChannelZ | Did you call it? Maybe it was a sex line |
| 02:45.29 | VoipForces | It's a message in Swidish or something... |
| 02:46.01 | ChannelZ | bork bork bork! |
| 02:46.13 | ChannelZ | IKEA meatball recipe hotline |
| 02:46.28 | VoipForces | yeah. I have a recording of it, need to find someone of speak it LOL |
| 02:47.10 | ChannelZ | hmm. Can google do voice translation? |
| 02:48.45 | VoipForces | oes not look like it. |
| 02:48.56 | VoipForces | Ok, I'm off, need to try to sleep. |
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| 03:11.47 | navaismo | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:12.02 | p3nguin | Cool. What'd you do? |
| 03:12.46 | navaismo | i already banned the ip but i still see it in the log |
| 03:13.00 | navaismo | of apache |
| 03:13.14 | navaismo | connected again and again and again |
| 03:13.14 | p3nguin | How did you ban it? |
| 03:13.42 | navaismo | iptables -A INPUT -s ${IP} -j DROP |
| 03:14.09 | p3nguin | If you have a previous rule in that chain accepting traffic from that IP, you haven't banned it. |
| 03:14.09 | navaismo | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:14.15 | p3nguin | Use -I instead of -A |
| 03:14.30 | navaismo | ok |
| 03:14.39 | p3nguin | -A puts it at the bottom of the list. |
| 03:14.51 | navaismo | yep put at bottom |
| 03:15.14 | p3nguin | Without seeing the rest of your rules, I would imagine that is how it was still connecting. |
| 03:15.40 | navaismo | in my desesperation i block all included me LOL |
| 03:16.29 | p3nguin | The best protection against net-based attacks is to unplug the network cable. |
| 03:16.52 | navaismo | LOL |
| 03:17.14 | navaismo | I really feel very very stupid |
| 03:17.44 | navaismo | aaah false security bring me the blockhost |
| 03:19.45 | navaismo | too late for hide my wife and mi children and my server |
| 03:20.05 | p3nguin | http://www.exquisitecrap.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/the-internet.jpg |
| 03:23.54 | navaismo | thx a lot p3nguin |
| 03:24.14 | p3nguin | :) |
| 03:26.04 | navaismo | im afraid if they hacked the entire system, and stole the ssh-key |
| 03:26.35 | p3nguin | If you're worried about your private key, change it. |
| 03:26.50 | navaismo | yes |
| 03:26.57 | navaismo | ill do it |
| 03:27.00 | navaismo | well right now the acces its closed for all ports |
| 03:27.09 | navaismo | im think thats enough for now |
| 03:27.31 | p3nguin | You know how to make new keys? |
| 03:27.37 | p3nguin | with ssh-keygen? |
| 03:29.35 | navaismo | yes |
| 03:29.40 | p3nguin | okay |
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| 03:37.25 | navaismo | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:38.05 | p3nguin | Huh? |
| 03:38.24 | navaismo | bad bad english |
| 03:38.27 | p3nguin | yeah |
| 03:38.50 | p3nguin | I understand where you said you think click to callme was a problem. |
| 03:39.31 | navaismo | yes yesterday i create a webpage for testing the clicktocallback using the ami |
| 03:39.47 | navaismo | and create one sip peer for those calls |
| 03:40.14 | navaismo | the report show all internatioonal calls (the hacked calls) are made by that extension |
| 03:41.40 | p3nguin | Your web page has a SIP peer? |
| 03:42.29 | navaismo | only as setting for send the originate command to asterisk |
| 03:42.42 | navaismo | i was using this example |
| 03:42.59 | navaismo | http://www.voipjots.com/2006/02/click-to-call-with-your-asteriskhome.html |
| 03:44.12 | navaismo | the calls have a duration of maximun 35 secs but hundreds |
| 03:44.36 | navaismo | I change the php to 8 digits only |
| 03:44.44 | p3nguin | I don't trust anything written by someone who feels the need to cd to a directory in order to open a file within it with a text editor. |
| 03:45.31 | navaismo | :D |
| 03:45.57 | p3nguin | I put those people in the same group as those who think "sudo su" is an appropriate command. |
| 03:46.26 | navaismo | ups |
| 03:46.43 | p3nguin | Into the trash bin you go. |
| 03:46.52 | navaismo | :( |
| 03:47.28 | p3nguin | Better than the wood chipper. |
| 03:51.34 | navaismo | well time to go |
| 03:51.39 | navaismo | thx for the tips and help |
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| 04:17.51 | p3nguin | Is there any effective difference between $[${ISNULL(${myVar})}] and $["${myVar}" = ""] for use as a condition, such as ExecIf or GotoIf? |
| 04:18.50 | p3nguin | s/ch as/ch as in/ |
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| 04:26.30 | ChannelZ | No |
| 04:26.43 | p3nguin | Is one preferred over the other? |
| 04:27.21 | p3nguin | And, if so, why? |
| 04:27.47 | p3nguin | I think using ISNULL looks more cool, so it gets one vote from me. |
| 04:28.38 | ChannelZ | Whatever you like. It's a little more declaritive at first glance I suppose, minus all the braces and parenthesis piling up at the end |
| 04:29.38 | p3nguin | I almost started to change some ISNULL conditions to string comparisons, then I stopped to think why would I do that when I'm pretty sure it does the exact same thing. |
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| 05:41.24 | p3nguin | Would MixMonitor() impact the reception of a fax? |
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| 06:12.15 | ChannelZ | I would hope not |
| 06:20.21 | penguin | any experience in here with openSER? |
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| 07:49.27 | reber | hi |
| 07:50.03 | reber | does anyone know a jav(jad/jar) softphone for a mobile (samsung only java inside) ? |
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| 14:25.50 | Dovid | anyone here using Digum Fax driver? |
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| 14:47.29 | Dovid | wow this room is dead |
| 14:47.52 | WIMPy | It's weekend. |
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| 15:00.01 | Dovid | so. i am here on the weekend :p |
| 15:00.04 | Dovid | and it's a looooooong weekebd |
| 15:00.07 | Dovid | weekend* |
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| 16:26.42 | p3nguin | I guess his concern about fax for asterisk wasn't that great. |
| 16:28.28 | irroot | p3nguin hi there |
| 16:28.36 | p3nguin | hi |
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| 16:29.01 | irroot | what the issue i been AFK |
| 16:29.24 | p3nguin | I wouldn't know. He never said, and then left. |
| 16:29.35 | irroot | ah ok |
| 16:29.56 | p3nguin | People are so weird. |
| 16:30.16 | irroot | indeed makes the world intresting |
| 16:36.08 | p3nguin | I think there should be a workshop given for asynchronous communications media, so people can learn how to state what they need and wait or check back later for an answer. |
| 16:38.02 | irroot | p3nguin yeah and i cant stand it when people come in here and demand help we all pretty much do this as a service not as a job and sometimes i need to get busy with something and even though i could maybe help i dont have the time then |
| 16:38.16 | p3nguin | People come in, say they have a problem, never actually state the problem, and, many times, leave. Others come, state the problem, and then leave before anyone had a chance to answer. |
| 16:40.13 | p3nguin | I admit I sometimes take time away from what I'm actually working on to say something here, and even sometimes get caught up in a discussion here when there is other work to be done. |
| 16:40.51 | p3nguin | Other times, I'm trying to work and someone keeps ringing my bell to get me to talk to them. |
| 16:41.53 | p3nguin | Or someone wants to talk to me in private, which requires my full attention and time. |
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| 16:44.29 | irroot | i troll the bugs and irc to see what issues are pending or i could experiance i also work on fixes for customers that i roll out in |
| 16:44.31 | irroot | sorry got disced |
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| 16:47.54 | lowtek | Hey guys ... anyone running LumenVox on 1.8.x? |
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| 17:38.36 | drzed | re |
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| 17:39.23 | WIMPy | hirsc |
| 17:39.45 | drzed | my (direct) Pickup is not working (BLF is ok) only the global (*8) |
| 17:40.34 | drzed | what could be the reason for that? the phone just tells me "*830 declined" |
| 17:41.05 | WIMPy | declined sounds lika a non existant extension. |
| 17:42.14 | drzed | hm the extions 30 does exist and can be called; the extensions.conf section looks like this: exten => _*8X.,1,Set(nst=${EXTEN:2}) |
| 17:42.17 | drzed | exten => _*8X.,n,Pickup(${nst}) |
| 17:43.25 | WIMPy | Console output? |
| 17:44.22 | p3nguin | Is exten => _*8X.,1,foo in the same context as exten => 30,1,foo ? |
| 17:45.03 | drzed | my logs looks like this: -- Executing [*830@lokal:2] Verbose("SIP/34-b6a93668", "1|34 wants to pickup from extension 30") in new stack -- Executing [*830@lokal:3] PickUp("SIP/34-b6a93668", "30") in new stack -- No channel found 1073741824. |
| 17:45.07 | drzed | == Spawn extension (lokal, *830, 3) exited non-zero on 'SIP/34-b6a93668' |
| 17:46.04 | drzed | p3nguin: in the same context is also this line: -- Executing [*830@lokal:2] Verbose("SIP/34-b6a93668", "1|34 wants to pickup from extension 30") in new stack -- Executing [*830@lokal:3] PickUp("SIP/34-b6a93668", "30") in new stack -- No channel found 1073741824. |
| 17:46.09 | drzed | oh sry |
| 17:46.19 | drzed | exten => _3X,n,Dial(SIP/${EXTEN},55) |
| 17:46.55 | drzed | is the "No channel found 1073741824. |
| 17:47.16 | drzed | a problem? i'd guess so ... :/ |
| 17:48.23 | p3nguin | What is the significance of 1073741824? |
| 17:49.08 | ChannelZ | That might be the question |
| 17:50.07 | drzed | hm sry but i dont really understand the question ... the number seems to kind of random |
| 17:50.30 | p3nguin | It isn't a phone number? |
| 17:51.25 | drzed | no i'm calling phone 30 from 35 and try to pick up the call with 34 |
| 17:51.52 | p3nguin | What is 35's callerid number? |
| 17:52.04 | p3nguin | Those are terrible names for phones, by the way. |
| 17:53.41 | drzed | http://nopaste.voric.com/paste.php?f=xwdjyo <-- thats my sip.conf of this phone |
| 17:54.06 | drzed | the other are the same - besides the numbers ... |
| 17:55.13 | drzed | p3nguin: i'd say it is 35 |
| 17:58.32 | drzed | the core show channels outputs this: SIP/30-084e2270 30@lokal:1 Ringing AppDial((Outgoing Line)) |
| 17:58.35 | drzed | SIP/35-b6a93668 30@lokal:2 Ring Dial(SIP/30|55) |
| 17:59.23 | drzed | hm the number is 2^30 ... some limit of asterisk |
| 17:59.34 | drzed | it is against my first tip not random |
| 18:00.05 | drzed | any ideas how asterisk gets to this channel id? |
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| 18:06.09 | ChannelZ | Did I miss the "what version of Asterisk is this" part? |
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| 18:19.33 | drzed | ChannelZ: 1.4 |
| 18:20.25 | drzed | or to be more accurate: 1.4.21.2~dfsg-3+lenny5 |
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| 19:08.57 | box | hello |
| 19:09.41 | greenwolf | box: wats up |
| 19:12.26 | m29poff | Hello, I have a main office with an asterisk server, and a branch office where 3 phones register in the main office asterisk server. Bandwidth permit only 2 simultaneous calls. If there are 3 simultaneous calls sound is crapy. how can i limit the number of simultaneous call from this branch office to 2 ? thanks |
| 19:12.34 | box | Can SIP URI's contain forward slashes? |
| 19:13.14 | p3nguin | m29poff: Which asterisk branch are you using? |
| 19:13.46 | m29poff | 1.8 |
| 19:14.03 | p3nguin | I think you'll want to use group count for limiting calls. |
| 19:14.26 | p3nguin | core show function GROUP_COUNT |
| 19:15.12 | m29poff | I think GROUP_COUNT works per channel and not subnet ? am i right ? |
| 19:15.48 | p3nguin | As far as I know, asterisk does not care about the networking logic. |
| 19:17.11 | p3nguin | Without putting a lot of thought into it, I think I would create a new context for phones from that branch office where I set the group and impose group count limit in the dial plan. |
| 19:17.24 | m29poff | You're right. I don't know how to create a channel where I can limit the number of concurrent calls |
| 19:17.56 | penguin | if you were using trixbox you can just limit the number of calls in the trunk setting |
| 19:18.00 | penguin | very simple actually |
| 19:18.14 | box | At the moment I use the register string xxx:yyy@10.117.162.42/AGNTSaundersM (for example) and then use [${CALLERID(dnid)}] for the inbound cid prefix to show the agents which ptsn was dialed. I have a separate server which has 35 trunks and I'd rather not create individual extensions then have the main server connect individually via trunks |
| 19:18.17 | p3nguin | There's no "trunk" in this scenario. |
| 19:18.34 | p3nguin | It's three phones in a branch office registering to asterisk in the main office. |
| 19:18.48 | m29poff | That's what i was about to write. There is no trunk |
| 19:18.48 | p3nguin | Bandwidth between the main and branch office is limited. |
| 19:18.59 | penguin | yes but when those 3 phone go to dial out you can limit that |
| 19:19.01 | box | All I need is to be able to display which ptsn was dialed. According to wikipedia, the URI scheme is sip:<user>[:<password>]@<host>[:<port>][;<uri-parameters>][?<headers>] - does anyone know which headers can be passed on and used within asterisk? |
| 19:19.11 | penguin | call quality doesnt degrade on same network |
| 19:19.55 | p3nguin | Anyway... |
| 19:19.56 | m29poff | Yes, there is no problem when phones on the same subnet call each other. |
| 19:20.05 | p3nguin | You'll need to use GROUP and GROUP_COUNT. |
| 19:20.28 | p3nguin | That's how calls are limited nowadays. |
| 19:20.31 | penguin | ok sorrty i miss read some of that |
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| 19:20.45 | penguin | yea GROUP_COUNT will work in that scanario without trunks |
| 19:20.50 | penguin | my bad |
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| 19:21.11 | m29poff | Ok. I'm gonna give those parameters a try. |
| 19:21.57 | p3nguin | I don't know if I use those functions anywhere in my dial plan, but I'll look and give you an example if I do. |
| 19:22.20 | m29poff | Ok |
| 19:22.46 | p3nguin | Nope, I don't have it, but if you'll be around for a while, I'll work up an example while I eat my soup. |
| 19:23.08 | p3nguin | If you're leaving soon, I won't bother. |
| 19:24.09 | m29poff | Do you know a way to give you my email without writing it down this chat ? |
| 19:25.14 | p3nguin | You can use /notice p3nguin my@email.com to send it to me privately. |
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| 19:28.12 | p3nguin | Got it. |
| 19:28.46 | m29poff | OK ... waiting for news from you. thanks |
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| 22:39.16 | markit | hi, I try to provide italian translation of some extra sound files, but I've no clue of the usage case, so I've no idea about how properly translate. The 2 sounds I've troubles with are: |
| 22:39.25 | markit | ent-target-attendant: please enter the number of the extension to use for your target attendant |
| 22:39.39 | markit | and location: location |
| 22:40.08 | markit | my question is: what is a "target attendant"? what situation it is used for? |
| 22:40.18 | markit | and "location" of what? for what? |
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| 22:57.58 | markit | ehm, no one? |
| 23:10.13 | ChannelZ | Not all sounds are necessarily used by the system |
| 23:10.50 | ChannelZ | oops. left |
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