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| 03:16.57 | echo083 | hello |
| 03:17.27 | echo083 | i really don't understand can someone explain to me what is the difference between asterisk freepbx and trixbox |
| 03:18.52 | echo083 | on freepbx and asterisk both propose a full distribution based on a CD which one should I install ? |
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| 05:34.33 | fling | what SIP client should I use on Android? |
| 05:35.25 | EmleyMoor | fling: I've found them all to have shortcomings. Built-in is best (of a bad lot) if you have it. |
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| 06:13.38 | fling | EmleyMoor: how to use it? :p |
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| 06:18.50 | v0lZy | hello |
| 06:19.31 | v0lZy | Is there a command to hangup all channels on a certain extension? |
| 06:21.45 | kaldemar | no. |
| 06:22.53 | kaldemar | your choices are to hangup a single channel at a time with a CLI command or a single channel or all channels on a device from dialplan with app SoftHangup. |
| 06:23.37 | v0lZy | Hm... ok |
| 06:24.01 | v0lZy | all channels on a device... where device is phone? |
| 06:24.55 | kaldemar | device is a device. it may be a phone. |
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| 06:26.57 | proute | Hello, I use Asterisk 1.6.0.x with DECT Aastra and Yealonk phone. During the communication (so at the start of communication) the rtp port change between Asterisk and phone. How it's possible and why? |
| 06:27.06 | proute | thanks for your help and explainations |
| 06:27.20 | v0lZy | ... |
| 06:27.39 | v0lZy | So I cant hangup all channels on a certain extension, but i can hangup all channels on a certain phone? |
| 06:27.49 | v0lZy | hows that different? |
| 06:28.52 | kaldemar | extension is a part of dialplan (exten => ...). i'm sure you know what a phone is. :P |
| 06:28.53 | v0lZy | im trying core show application SoftHangup but i dont get anything.. |
| 06:29.24 | v0lZy | application*S* |
| 06:29.26 | v0lZy | sorry |
| 06:29.27 | v0lZy | reading now |
| 06:29.47 | v0lZy | hm.. .no |
| 06:29.50 | v0lZy | is that a function? |
| 06:30.11 | kaldemar | i'll give you a hint: "core show application" |
| 06:30.31 | kaldemar | second hint: "Info about application 'SoftHangup'" |
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| 06:30.35 | schmidts | good morning |
| 06:30.41 | kaldemar | morning |
| 06:30.50 | v0lZy | Your application(s) is (are) not registered |
| 06:30.52 | v0lZy | Command 'core show application SoftHangup' failed. |
| 06:31.02 | v0lZy | I guess i dont have it |
| 06:31.11 | kaldemar | what version of asterisk are you using? |
| 06:31.32 | v0lZy | Asterisk 1.8.4.4 built by root @ on a i486 running Linux on 2012-04-25 16:59:15 UTC |
| 06:31.34 | kaldemar | and how did you install? |
| 06:31.54 | schmidts | v01Zy what do you see with module show like softhangup? |
| 06:32.04 | v0lZy | askoziapbx stuff.. its a full image |
| 06:32.28 | v0lZy | schmidts: 0 modules loaded |
| 06:32.39 | kaldemar | 1.8.4.4 has the application, whoever made the image made the choice to not include the application. |
| 06:32.54 | schmidts | and which output do you get when you do a module load app_softhangup.so |
| 06:32.56 | kaldemar | or to not load it. try "module load app_softhangup.so" |
| 06:33.42 | v0lZy | iUnable to load module app_softhangup.so |
| 06:33.43 | v0lZy | Command 'module load app_softhangup.so' failed. |
| 06:34.09 | v0lZy | let me check if i even have it... |
| 06:35.34 | v0lZy | i do have it in my asterisk/modules |
| 06:35.49 | v0lZy | i guess i have to load it in the modules.conf first. |
| 06:35.57 | kaldemar | no, you don't. |
| 06:37.39 | v0lZy | how to reload all modules? |
| 06:37.49 | kaldemar | module reload |
| 06:38.17 | v0lZy | uhm... |
| 06:38.21 | v0lZy | dialplan reload works |
| 06:38.23 | v0lZy | but not odule reload |
| 06:38.43 | v0lZy | ah |
| 06:38.44 | v0lZy | silly me |
| 06:38.46 | v0lZy | wrong window |
| 06:39.14 | v0lZy | now it loaded |
| 06:39.21 | v0lZy | after including it in the modules.conf |
| 06:41.26 | v0lZy | ok |
| 06:41.28 | v0lZy | so how do i run |
| 06:41.40 | v0lZy | SoftHangup(SIP/19,a) |
| 06:41.42 | v0lZy | from cli? |
| 06:42.05 | kaldemar | add it to your dialplan |
| 06:42.41 | schmidts | v01Zy from your cli you only have to do "channel request hangup SIP/19" |
| 06:44.08 | kaldemar | schmidts: the original question was how to hang up n channels, not only one. |
| 06:44.32 | schmidts | ah ok |
| 06:45.54 | v0lZy | i mean |
| 06:46.01 | v0lZy | i need to run it from cli |
| 06:46.05 | v0lZy | just this once to fix something |
| 06:46.19 | kaldemar | is it an extension in your dialplan yet? |
| 06:46.22 | schmidts | all calls or only some special one? |
| 06:47.11 | v0lZy | heres the thing: I have a phone SIP/19 ... it works and everything, but it keeps sending 'busy' ever since i redirected it |
| 06:47.20 | kaldemar | add it as exten@context in your dialplan and then "channel originate exten@context application Hangup" |
| 06:47.24 | v0lZy | and thats because it didnt hangup |
| 06:47.40 | v0lZy | now i need to hangup so it can receive calls again |
| 06:48.20 | schmidts | so you have some still open calls from SIP/19 calls and you want to hang them up, correct? |
| 06:48.29 | v0lZy | yes schmidts |
| 06:48.32 | v0lZy | that is correct |
| 06:48.44 | v0lZy | the calls are open, but only in asterisk |
| 06:49.08 | v0lZy | i could reboot asterisk, but id rather just hangup those calls |
| 06:49.21 | schmidts | give me a second, thats only a one row command in bash ;) |
| 06:51.08 | v0lZy | kaldemar: the way i got into my situation is i think with my redirect application |
| 06:51.25 | v0lZy | its supposed to kill a redirection once the user does a hangup |
| 06:51.29 | kaldemar | v0lZy: i'd suggest you fix that instead. |
| 06:51.48 | v0lZy | but since it was a power out, it didnt hangup |
| 06:51.59 | v0lZy | now i can make outgoing calls |
| 06:52.06 | v0lZy | but i cant call that extension |
| 06:52.09 | v0lZy | i get a busy tone |
| 06:52.18 | v0lZy | and i suppose its because asterisk still has a channel open |
| 06:52.43 | v0lZy | cause i tried doing another redirect and then hanging up |
| 06:52.46 | v0lZy | but it doesnt fix it |
| 06:53.09 | schmidts | v01Zy try this: for call in $( asterisk -rx \"core show channels concise\" | grep \"SIP/19\" | cut -d! -f1 ); do asterisk -rx\"channel request hangup $call\";done; |
| 06:53.19 | schmidts | just copy this all to your bash |
| 06:54.17 | v0lZy | nope |
| 06:54.19 | v0lZy | didnt help :| |
| 06:54.29 | schmidts | channels still there? |
| 06:54.55 | v0lZy | i think so |
| 06:54.59 | v0lZy | i still get a busy tone |
| 06:55.36 | v0lZy | SIP/19-00002a2f s@WaitHangup:4 Up Wait(10) |
| 06:55.41 | v0lZy | from core show channels |
| 06:57.04 | v0lZy | can i try |
| 06:57.12 | v0lZy | channel request hangup SIP/19-0002a2f ? |
| 06:57.47 | v0lZy | ah, ok, that seems to work |
| 07:01.46 | v0lZy | ok, sorted out the problems |
| 07:01.50 | v0lZy | one question though |
| 07:02.17 | v0lZy | is there a way to fix this in my scenario? |
| 07:02.29 | kaldemar | what is your scenario exactly? |
| 07:02.43 | v0lZy | Like... my users call **<extension> and as long as that call is active, all calls to that user are redirected to the extension they inputed. |
| 07:03.51 | v0lZy | Problem is when the power out kills the phone, that doesnt kill the channel so the redirection is still active. I then have to do another redirection and hangup so that i fix the database where call forwards are, but that still leaves the channel open... I do this twice and all the channels are full and i get the busy tone when i call the user that did the redirection |
| 07:04.33 | v0lZy | so... is there a way to have asterisk monitor its communication with the phone... and if the phone goes offline, asterisk kills the channel? |
| 07:06.32 | v0lZy | like... some command that gets sent on the channel and the phone replies.. and if it doesnt (cause it closed the chan, then asterisk should close the chan too) |
| 07:06.34 | kaldemar | what do you mean by redirected? use exact terminology. |
| 07:06.43 | v0lZy | call forwrding |
| 07:07.13 | kaldemar | how? |
| 07:07.21 | kaldemar | which applications do you use? |
| 07:07.42 | v0lZy | SIP/16 dials **22 to forward all calls made to SIP/16 to SIP/22. When SIP/16 hangs up, the call forwarding is canceled and calls to SIP/16 ring SIP/16 again. |
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| 07:08.17 | v0lZy | but in my case, SIP/16 doesnt get a chance to hangup the channel because of a power-out |
| 07:08.30 | v0lZy | sec |
| 07:08.50 | kaldemar | was this the perverted case where you leave the phone off-hook? |
| 07:10.27 | v0lZy | i had to piece it together (this gui is a pain in the ass) |
| 07:10.29 | v0lZy | http://pastebin.com/x3rsMvuT |
| 07:10.50 | v0lZy | the bottom part is the part waiting for the hangup to happen |
| 07:11.13 | v0lZy | yeah, that 'perverted' case :) |
| 07:11.39 | kaldemar | try using rtptimeout or session timers. |
| 07:12.08 | kaldemar | http://svn.digium.com/svn/asterisk/tags/1.8.4.4/configs/sip.conf.sample |
| 07:13.43 | v0lZy | rtptimeout would notice no more packets coming from the phone? |
| 07:13.51 | v0lZy | (what would session timers do?) |
| 07:14.55 | kaldemar | i can't say it any better than the sample config does. read it. |
| 07:14.59 | v0lZy | says here when not on hold for rtptimer |
| 07:15.03 | v0lZy | in my case |
| 07:15.16 | v0lZy | there is no sound passed in any direction |
| 07:15.53 | kaldemar | no sound? what do you think SayDigits(${REDIRECTED_TO}) and Playback(vm-saved) do? |
| 07:16.13 | v0lZy | (after doing the call forwarding, i use the 'headset' port (not the handset or the speaker) .. but nothing is connected to it so there is no sound heard or sent. |
| 07:16.52 | v0lZy | I thought that my phone not sending any sound at all to asterisk might be a problem |
| 07:17.36 | kaldemar | that's up to your phone, set VAD off in it. |
| 07:18.21 | kaldemar | of ditch that way of doing forwards in the first place... |
| 07:18.28 | v0lZy | whats VAD? |
| 07:19.03 | v0lZy | I would ditch this cause its prone to mistakes and all |
| 07:19.05 | v0lZy | but |
| 07:19.27 | v0lZy | my users, the main being my boss are too sloppy not to forget that they have call forwarding activated. |
| 07:20.01 | kaldemar | train them some more. |
| 07:20.15 | v0lZy | I wish i h |
| 07:20.27 | v0lZy | I wish i had more respect in this shithole. |
| 07:20.42 | v0lZy | here, they view me as an overpayed car mechanic. |
| 07:20.55 | v0lZy | and the sales department it the glorified bum. |
| 07:21.39 | v0lZy | in other words, they insist on forwarding being stopped as soon as they make an outgoing call. |
| 07:22.33 | kaldemar | that is doable. |
| 07:23.59 | v0lZy | theres still a limitation though |
| 07:24.30 | v0lZy | when u do call forwarding thats disassocciated from the phone |
| 07:24.43 | v0lZy | my users will forget that they have call forwarding activated |
| 07:24.45 | v0lZy | like |
| 07:25.09 | v0lZy | a user would leave the office early and set call forwarding to someone in a different department |
| 07:25.20 | v0lZy | they'd do that on a friday |
| 07:25.25 | v0lZy | come back on monday |
| 07:25.43 | kaldemar | what kind of phones do you use? |
| 07:25.57 | v0lZy | forgetting what they did on friday, they'd bitch that people are calling them but their phone isnt ringing |
| 07:26.04 | v0lZy | vigorphone 350 |
| 07:26.07 | v0lZy | draytek |
| 07:26.26 | v0lZy | they have the ability to call forward always/busy/no answer |
| 07:26.41 | v0lZy | and they would show on screen that the phone has call forwarding activated |
| 07:26.42 | v0lZy | but |
| 07:26.54 | v0lZy | in order to do that, id have to give them administrator privilige on the phone |
| 07:27.21 | v0lZy | and also, when call forwarding is active |
| 07:27.26 | v0lZy | and people call the phone |
| 07:27.28 | v0lZy | and then hangup |
| 07:27.48 | v0lZy | they dont see missed calls |
| 07:28.00 | v0lZy | even when they deactivate call forwarding |
| 07:28.07 | v0lZy | the calls are registered as missed |
| 07:28.16 | v0lZy | but there is no missed calls notification because call forwarding is active. |
| 07:28.33 | v0lZy | its little things like that that arent so intuitive with these vigorphones |
| 07:28.55 | v0lZy | or rather, my users are to stubborn and lazy to get themselves into a routine to check missed calls |
| 07:29.25 | kaldemar | send them an e-mail whenever they get a missed call. :P |
| 07:29.36 | v0lZy | but this comes down to the way management wants to exploit every person 100% and not leave them any time to sort things out for themselves.... Its the same story with sorting email and stuff |
| 07:30.07 | v0lZy | noone has time to do it. On one hand its cause they are lazy and dont do it the moment they get the email and then have an aversion to it when their mailbox has 4000 messages in the inbox |
| 07:30.08 | kaldemar | or a when a call comes in and forwarding is active. |
| 07:30.38 | v0lZy | on the other hand, its management that wants them hands on work 100% of the time... make an error and theres no time to fix it |
| 07:30.47 | v0lZy | nor is there any time to prepare |
| 07:30.50 | v0lZy | they arent robots |
| 07:30.58 | v0lZy | so... yaeh, this kind of shitty environment here. |
| 07:31.29 | v0lZy | kaldemar: i can dance circles and light fires, its not gonna change anything |
| 07:31.39 | v0lZy | just different problems and more complications |
| 07:40.14 | v0lZy | kaldemar: so how would this rtp timeout work |
| 07:40.19 | v0lZy | i just set a variable ? |
| 07:40.49 | v0lZy | and what would be better? rtptimeout or session timers? |
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| 08:02.35 | kaldemar | v0lZy: rtptimeout is just about setting a parameter in sip.conf, as the sample config says. if a phone stops sending audio, it will make a channel drop. that was what you originally asked, right? |
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| 08:09.26 | proute | Hello, I use Asterisk 1.6.0.x with DECT Aastra and Yealonk phone. During the communication (so at the start of communication) the rtp port change between Asterisk and phone. How it's possible and why? |
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| 08:11.42 | kaldemar | v0lZy: session timer would refresh the session, i.e. send a new invite to the phone with a regular interval. if the phone happened to be off-line or has rebooted before the session is refreshed, the channel would drop. |
| 08:13.25 | kaldemar | proute: what do you mean by "communication"? call setup or during an established call? SIP does allow re-negotiating sessions though. |
| 08:13.44 | v0lZy | if the phone stops sending audio... does it send out audio when its muted? |
| 08:14.00 | proute | kaldemar: During call setup |
| 08:14.36 | proute | kaldemar: if the rtp port change, I have no sound or only oneway |
| 08:16.51 | kaldemar | proute: grab a sip debug and verbosity of a call and pastebin it. |
| 08:17.01 | kaldemar | v0lZy: that's up to the phone. |
| 08:17.14 | kaldemar | v0lZy: try it. enable rtp debug and mute the phone. |
| 08:17.26 | proute | kaldemar, if you want, I have a wireshark traces |
| 08:18.07 | kaldemar | i prefer the sip debug from asterisk. |
| 08:18.18 | v0lZy | kaldemar: having futureproofness in mind, its better to do session timeouts then |
| 08:18.32 | v0lZy | since with rtp stuff, this would and wouldnt work depending on the phone, right? |
| 08:19.04 | kaldemar | v0lZy: it will most likely work. |
| 08:19.24 | v0lZy | but session timeout seems more definite ?:D |
| 08:20.24 | kaldemar | make your choice. :) |
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| 08:24.26 | v0lZy | i find those hard to make |
| 08:24.33 | v0lZy | 2 alternatives.. argh |
| 08:24.36 | v0lZy | always a problem |
| 08:24.52 | v0lZy | i waste at least 30% of my time on figuring out the better of 2 simillar alternatives |
| 08:24.54 | v0lZy | like |
| 08:24.57 | v0lZy | id go through 10 mobile phones |
| 08:25.01 | v0lZy | narrow it down to 2 |
| 08:25.09 | v0lZy | then mull over it a week before making up my mind, lol |
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| 08:28.48 | v0lZy | i think ill go with session timeouts |
| 08:29.03 | v0lZy | any other catch here? |
| 08:34.52 | kaldemar | i guess you'll find out if there are any. |
| 08:35.13 | v0lZy | so the sip session timeout goes into the general section of sip.conf the same way rtp stuff would? |
| 08:35.21 | v0lZy | (just asking since its not specifically stated) |
| 08:36.52 | kaldemar | oh yes it is specifically stated. |
| 08:37.22 | kaldemar | for both rtptimeout and session timer stuff in the sample config. |
| 08:39.32 | v0lZy | oh |
| 08:39.35 | v0lZy | its also for session |
| 08:39.37 | v0lZy | missed it |
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| 08:39.56 | v0lZy | ;session-timers=originate |
| 08:39.57 | v0lZy | ;session-expires=600 |
| 08:39.59 | v0lZy | ;session-minse=90 |
| 08:40.00 | v0lZy | ;session-refresher=uas |
| 08:40.02 | v0lZy | uas and uac? |
| 08:40.04 | v0lZy | whats the difference here? |
| 08:40.09 | v0lZy | i understand the other ones. |
| 08:40.14 | ilj | what do I need to reload on console to read in res_snmp.conf? |
| 08:41.02 | v0lZy | session expires 1800 sec by default... half an hour? wtf? |
| 08:41.24 | v0lZy | is that intended for large setups with many users where u dont want to saturate the stuff? |
| 08:41.33 | v0lZy | wouldnt 60 seconds bemore appropriate? |
| 08:41.46 | v0lZy | (especially if u charge based on call durration etc..) |
| 08:43.48 | kaldemar | ilj: unload and load the module, res_snmp.so |
| 08:44.46 | ilj | thanks |
| 08:44.46 | v0lZy | speaking of which, how to reload sip.conf? |
| 08:44.52 | ilj | sip reload |
| 08:44.58 | v0lZy | ty |
| 08:45.07 | ilj | iax2 reload - iax.conf |
| 08:45.15 | ilj | dialplan reload - extensions.conf |
| 08:45.18 | ilj | and so on |
| 08:46.20 | v0lZy | i set it to: |
| 08:46.23 | v0lZy | session-timers=originate |
| 08:46.24 | v0lZy | session-expires=60 |
| 08:46.26 | v0lZy | session-minse=60 |
| 08:46.27 | v0lZy | session-refresher=uas |
| 08:46.34 | v0lZy | but.. what is uas and what is uac? |
| 08:46.52 | kaldemar | you get a warning saying that minse is not allowed to be under 90? |
| 08:47.05 | v0lZy | nope |
| 08:47.07 | v0lZy | didnt get anything |
| 08:47.39 | slav3_kitten | i hate when sleep eludes me |
| 08:48.10 | kaldemar | v0lZy: it does not matter whether you have uas or uac when a phone is involved. asterisk will be refreshing the session anyway. |
| 08:48.28 | v0lZy | hm.. are u sure sip reload reload sip.conf |
| 08:48.32 | kaldemar | UAS is short for User-Agent Server and UAC for User-Agent Client. |
| 08:49.51 | v0lZy | whats the difference otherwise? |
| 08:50.00 | v0lZy | ok, reloaded |
| 08:50.01 | v0lZy | hm |
| 08:50.08 | v0lZy | so i set it to 120 second to expire |
| 08:50.16 | v0lZy | and 90 seconds to refresh |
| 08:50.32 | kaldemar | if you don't get a warning about the minse, your CLI does not show warnings and the value is set to 90 seconds. |
| 08:50.45 | v0lZy | this means its gonna expire within 120 seconds of last update... so in worst case scenario it will drop the chan in 2 min? |
| 08:51.31 | kaldemar | v0lZy: go read the sample config again. |
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| 08:52.47 | v0lZy | im reading |
| 08:53.03 | kaldemar | the parameters set limits for the refresh interval. asterisk is not necessarily the one refreshing the session. |
| 08:55.25 | v0lZy | i dont get it why theres a refersh interval and an expiration interval |
| 08:55.32 | v0lZy | why not just one or the other' |
| 08:55.56 | v0lZy | makes sense that it refreshes every X seconds and if thats not confirmed, drop |
| 08:56.08 | ilj | kaldemar, I had to first compile it from source tree. Is there any way to make asterisk aware of this new module without disrupting asterisk daemon operation? |
| 08:56.10 | v0lZy | is this so that you can give more time to the device to confirm the refresh? |
| 08:56.27 | kaldemar | v0lZy: because it may not be asterisk running the session-timers. but it can set limits for it. |
| 08:56.42 | v0lZy | like... in my scenario, asterisk wants an update every 90 seconds (if it doesnt get an update it will send one) but after 120 second of no update, it will drop the chan? |
| 08:56.52 | kaldemar | ilj: sure, just put the module under the modules dir and load it. |
| 08:57.27 | v0lZy | session-expires=120 session-minse=90 |
| 08:58.02 | v0lZy | this means asterisk wants a referesh every 90 seconds and will drop a session if its not refreshed within 90 seconds' |
| 08:58.03 | v0lZy | erm |
| 08:58.06 | v0lZy | 120 seconds* |
| 08:58.09 | kaldemar | v0lZy: no. in your scenario asterisk runs the session timers. it will not wait for the peer to refresh the session. |
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| 08:58.45 | v0lZy | ok.. so asterisk runs a session-timer that expires in 120 seconds ... why have a lover session-minse then? |
| 08:58.51 | v0lZy | shouldnt these be the same? |
| 08:59.35 | v0lZy | ideally, id want this under a minute i suppose |
| 09:00.02 | v0lZy | i dont think i have a good grasp of how this works. |
| 09:00.17 | v0lZy | (who refreshes the session etc) |
| 09:00.21 | v0lZy | my phone doesnt have any options for that |
| 09:01.19 | v0lZy | though i do have a send keep alive option |
| 09:01.24 | v0lZy | but i dont think thats it |
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| 09:03.25 | v0lZy | says |
| 09:03.39 | v0lZy | Send KeepAlive On/Off. Typically enabled to instruct the phone to send SIP keepalive |
| 09:03.40 | v0lZy | messages for maintaining a “pinhole” in the user’s firewall |
| 09:03.42 | v0lZy | through which SIP messages can pass. |
| 09:03.59 | v0lZy | i have that set to off |
| 09:04.05 | v0lZy | it doesnt seem to affect anything right now |
| 09:04.09 | v0lZy | i have a call connected internally |
| 09:04.11 | v0lZy | formore than 5 min now |
| 09:04.14 | v0lZy | and its not dropping |
| 09:04.19 | v0lZy | so i guess that works |
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| 09:10.52 | v0lZy | just tested it |
| 09:10.55 | v0lZy | works as expected |
| 09:10.56 | v0lZy | thanks kaldemar |
| 09:12.13 | v0lZy | another thing though |
| 09:12.18 | v0lZy | but im not sure this is an asterisk thing |
| 09:12.26 | v0lZy | when i pickup a call from somone |
| 09:12.41 | v0lZy | i dont see the number calling but only the extension i picked up from |
| 09:13.00 | v0lZy | can this be fixed with asterisk alone or is this an internal phone thing? |
| 09:15.07 | kaldemar | connected line update should take care of that. a phone may choose to disregard it though. try trustrpid=yes, sendrpid=yes and rpid_update=yes. if they help. |
| 09:16.54 | v0lZy | in sip conf? |
| 09:19.44 | kaldemar | yes, in sip.conf. always check the sample config for parameters. |
| 09:29.12 | ilj | this is how I compiled the module and what I see on console when I try to load it: http://pastie.org/4282823 Any ideas what's wrong with it? |
| 09:31.22 | kaldemar | your running version of asterisk is probably different from the version that the module is from. |
| 09:31.28 | ilj | hm |
| 09:31.30 | ilj | let me check |
| 09:31.49 | kaldemar | or the running platform is missing a dependency. |
| 09:31.51 | ilj | no, the version's the same |
| 09:32.59 | ilj | what might it need? |
| 09:34.27 | kaldemar | netsnmp is a dependency for the module. |
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| 09:35.50 | v0lZy | hm |
| 09:35.56 | v0lZy | those settings dont help and i think i know why |
| 09:36.03 | v0lZy | my phone simply displays what i dial |
| 09:36.11 | v0lZy | if i do *8<extension> it shows that |
| 09:36.21 | v0lZy | if i use a BLF button it shows whateve ris programmer on that button |
| 09:36.22 | v0lZy | bumer. |
| 09:36.53 | irroot | morning folks any ideas on what phones support zeroconf |
| 09:37.09 | kaldemar | v0lZy: do you still have the Answer app in the beginning of your pickup extension? |
| 09:37.22 | ilj | is installed |
| 09:41.07 | v0lZy | kaldemar: ill check. But i think yes, because thats the default on askozia |
| 09:41.45 | v0lZy | kaldemar: would that be a hinderance? |
| 09:42.02 | v0lZy | in this particular case with passing nubers i mean |
| 09:42.48 | kaldemar | v0lZy: it is likely to cause issues. |
| 09:43.42 | v0lZy | maybe i can somehow test it out or something |
| 09:43.46 | v0lZy | without borking everyhitng |
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| 09:45.42 | kaldemar | comment the answer line out with ; and change the priority of the next line from n to 1. |
| 09:47.17 | v0lZy | hm, by the looks of it, theres no answer or noral calls |
| 09:47.24 | v0lZy | normal calls* |
| 09:47.27 | v0lZy | looking at extensions.conf |
| 09:47.33 | v0lZy | to see if its bridged with anything |
| 09:47.46 | v0lZy | the applications i made arent the problem since its only for 2 extension |
| 09:47.50 | v0lZy | but on other extension, same thing |
| 09:47.56 | v0lZy | i think this is a phone issue |
| 09:48.05 | v0lZy | DrayTek more or less passes for a phone |
| 09:48.08 | v0lZy | but thats about it |
| 09:48.09 | v0lZy | no flying colors |
| 09:50.41 | v0lZy | well maybe they will fix it with the next firmware or something |
| 09:50.55 | v0lZy | would be a shame if they didnt, its a good phone hardware wise. |
| 09:52.09 | v0lZy | could use a cli interface though |
| 09:52.21 | v0lZy | i dont understand why anything is made without a cli today. |
| 10:04.46 | LIIT | Greetings all - does anyone know if this device would work work Asterisk ? Just looking to get a single FSX and FSO to play around with :-) http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/USB-Skype-Telephone-Call-PSTN-VoIP-ATA-Gateway-FXO-FXS-/320617076822?pt=UK_Computing_ComputerComponents_InternetTelephonyHeadsets&hash=item4aa6445856 |
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| 10:09.31 | Roelt | quick google search shows a smartlink 3800 chipset, not very well supported soft-phone |
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| 10:13.05 | LIIT | I tried googling the 3800 chipset, but didn't seem to get any usefull information |
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| 10:35.45 | coppice | LIIT: there is driver code to drive some of the smartlink chips in the slmodem package for Linux. I don't think the 3800 is in there. though. slmodem doesn't interface to asterisk, but it gives you some code as a starting point if you want to develop such an interface |
| 10:36.56 | LIIT | Thx :-) |
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| 11:02.54 | ilj | without n LIIT that sounds a lot like sex! |
| 11:03.49 | ilj | kaldemar, net-snmp bunch was installed after asterisk, had to re-run configure to make it aware of the devel headers and after that module compiled alright |
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| 11:45.08 | iulhk | hhhh |
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| 12:04.00 | rolandow | did anybody install asterisk on a raspberry pi yet? :) |
| 12:04.13 | rolandow | well, i have seen people did, i mean people in here |
| 12:06.32 | Roelt | http://www.raspberry-asterisk.org/ ? :) |
| 12:07.45 | rolandow | nice :) .. i was wondering how many simultanious calls it could handle |
| 12:10.13 | acidfoo | for the price it cost, you should just buy one and test ;P |
| 12:11.06 | rolandow | good point.. but i don't really need it .. :) i was just wondering what it could handle. |
| 12:11.15 | rolandow | could be nice to put in small office locations |
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| 12:12.45 | acidfoo | I'll buy mine this afternoon |
| 12:14.31 | Roelt | i wonder who will deliver it the fastest.. rs or farnell/element14 |
| 12:14.53 | rolandow | don't think it will matter that much |
| 12:15.03 | rolandow | but farnell doesn't sell casings |
| 12:17.30 | acidfoo | I was thinking making one with popsicle stick |
| 12:18.06 | rolandow | hehe.. that would be cool too :) |
| 12:18.13 | rolandow | or lego maybe :) |
| 12:18.15 | acidfoo | but I'll directly buy the stick since I usually eat 3,4 popsicle during the summer :P |
| 12:18.35 | Roelt | hmm.. RS is cheaper |
| 12:18.43 | Malard_Office | can anyone recommend a way to integrate outlook into asterisk, so i can get my physical handset to dial out by clicking a button in outlook? |
| 12:19.02 | rolandow | Roelt: farnwell has free shipment |
| 12:19.08 | Roelt | 27 euro for the raspberry pi at RS, 32 for farnell |
| 12:19.12 | leifmadsen | does Outlook have the ability to build a script? |
| 12:19.22 | Roelt | rolandow, rs too |
| 12:19.28 | Malard_Office | i have no idea :) |
| 12:19.37 | Malard_Office | i've seen a couple of binary downloads that i would have to pay for |
| 12:19.38 | rolandow | Roelt: they charge extra 6.28 eu |
| 12:19.40 | Malard_Office | that claim to do this |
| 12:19.51 | rolandow | Roelt: maybe that's because of my location |
| 12:20.05 | Roelt | rolandow, ah, alright.. I have a business acount there, so it's free even if i order a 10 cent resistor |
| 12:20.22 | Roelt | they probably won't like it.. :D |
| 12:20.25 | rolandow | i wonder if the price will go up soon .. because currently i don't really have something i could use the rpi for :) |
| 12:20.47 | rolandow | i'd like xbmc on it but my tv and home cinema doesn't have hdmi hahaha.. need to upgrade those first |
| 12:21.20 | [TK]D-Fender | Malard_Office, Google up "Asterisk TAPI" on one side and look at all of Outlook's scripting features and look at "Asterisk AMI Originate" |
| 12:24.43 | Malard_Office | ok ty |
| 12:25.35 | rolandow | hm.. just ordered it anyways |
| 12:26.07 | Roelt | ordered a raspbery pi, farnel says they will deliver next tuesday.. i'll now in a week rolandow.. :) |
| 12:28.08 | iulhk | i hv setup sip to sip call as well sending voicemail, now i want if someone leave voicemail to user 100 then after finishing the voicemail asterisk will dial peer 100 and voicemail start ? can anybody guide how to perform this ? |
| 12:32.38 | [TK]D-Fender | iulhk, "call files" , "Asterisk AMI Originate", "core show application originate" |
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| 12:40.47 | carrar | *Y*A*W*N* |
| 12:44.54 | iulhk | <[TK]D-Fender>: thanx in advance , let me check :) |
| 12:46.07 | [TK]D-Fender | iulhk, make a custom script to call in place of the e-mailing one in voicemail.conf |
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| 12:48.28 | iulhk | <[TK]D-Fender>: one more questions, i just installed asterisk-10.6 asterisk sip, voicemail setup already working fine, first time using voicemail_data where i am getting data, but unable to get data in voicemail_messages, what is for voicemail_messages? |
| 12:49.06 | [TK]D-Fender | I have no idea what those 2 things you'v just listed are pertaining to. |
| 12:49.15 | [TK]D-Fender | and your wording is broken up |
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| 12:56.56 | elliot98 | gives a wave to all |
| 12:56.59 | elliot98 | for some reason asterisk is losing the MWI subscription after about a minute or so |
| 12:57.05 | elliot98 | for certain devices |
| 12:57.47 | elliot98 | there doesn't seem that there is any expire in the SUBSCRIBE request |
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| 13:31.53 | Katty | hi |
| 13:32.15 | drmessano | I guess you fixed your asterisk. No begging this morning? |
| 13:32.44 | Katty | no i'm irritated this morning |
| 13:33.27 | rolandow | buy a raspberry pi! it makes you feel better |
| 13:33.34 | rolandow | works for me |
| 13:33.46 | Katty | i don't want a raspberry pi |
| 13:33.59 | Katty | i want people to quit hogging my bandwidth so i can reach my remote servers. |
| 13:34.06 | rolandow | no problem, just buying one makes you feel better |
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| 13:34.42 | Katty | i will agree that shopping is a girl's best friend |
| 13:34.54 | Katty | and i suppose as long as i can't reach my labtech server to work on open tickets, i might as well just go to the mall |
| 13:35.03 | rolandow | yes.. and the logo is cute.. right? |
| 13:35.04 | drmessano | How are you getting a raspberry pi in a week when everyone else is waiting 4 to 5 months? |
| 13:35.09 | drmessano | You sure about that? |
| 13:35.18 | rolandow | a week?? |
| 13:35.25 | rolandow | no .. 5/6 weeks |
| 13:35.30 | Katty | danny, take me shopping |
| 13:35.35 | Katty | and i want something chocolate too |
| 13:35.56 | rolandow | or at least that's what they say .. but i bet it takes longer. |
| 13:36.06 | drmessano | Oh, wasnt you.. Roelt said Tuesday |
| 13:36.22 | leifmadsen | Katty: OMG FIX MY SYSTEM IT IS B)RKED! |
| 13:36.44 | drmessano | Yeah, Newark says "Ships now, delivery in 1 to 2 days"... Thats 5 months, actually.. Most of them are |
| 13:37.24 | Roelt | farnell is saying that, don't believe it either :) |
| 13:37.31 | leifmadsen | so... what is it the rasppi actualyl does? :) |
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| 13:37.39 | [TK]D-Fender | ~bork |
| 13:37.52 | Roelt | leifmadsen, beeing a hyped gadget |
| 13:38.00 | leifmadsen | heh ya |
| 13:38.04 | [TK]D-Fender | ~borq |
| 13:38.09 | [TK]D-Fender | :( |
| 13:38.18 | Roelt | and everyone i've talked to still has it in the original package.. :) |
| 13:38.18 | leifmadsen | I'm going to build a cluster of asterisk boxes with them |
| 13:38.37 | leifmadsen | (no, not really) |
| 13:38.48 | leifmadsen | dedicated channels! 1 board per call |
| 13:40.13 | Roelt | i wonder.. do the gentoo folks handsolder their rasbery pi boards for extra performance? |
| 13:40.26 | leifmadsen | lol |
| 13:40.29 | leifmadsen | clever :) |
| 13:40.45 | rolandow | Roelt: when did you order |
| 13:40.53 | Roelt | rolandow, 20 minutes ago |
| 13:41.09 | rolandow | Roelt: hm .. maybe it depends on location then ?? i just ordered one it said 5 weeks |
| 13:41.32 | Roelt | I think.. netherlands here |
| 13:42.18 | rolandow | Roelt: wtf.. netherlands here as wel |
| 13:43.03 | Roelt | rolandow, haha.. business or consumer account? |
| 13:43.13 | rolandow | Roelt: consumer .. |
| 13:43.19 | Roelt | ah, that might be the trick |
| 13:43.32 | rolandow | Roelt: still i don't believe they can deliver within a week .. |
| 13:43.33 | Roelt | business here :) |
| 13:43.51 | drmessano | When you order a Pi, you're not ordering on this batch.. They open the orders again when a batch is delivered/fulfilled, but the orders are for the next run.. Turnaround has been approx 3 to 5 months. This next batch is expected in late November |
| 13:44.19 | Roelt | http://nl.farnell.com/jsp/search/productdetail.jsp?id=2081185&Ntt=2081185 , "10927 zal beschikbaar zijn voor levering op 24 Jul, 2012" .. looks like an error in their system |
| 13:44.21 | drmessano | But, each batch has slipped by several weeks |
| 13:44.57 | drmessano | There's no way you're getting one in even a few weeks, unless they are going to steal from someone who ordered in March |
| 13:47.04 | Katty | knits furiously. |
| 13:47.43 | rolandow | drmessano: farnwell seems to be quicker than the other one though .. does that make any sense? |
| 13:48.10 | rolandow | drmessano: than rs .. cuz i cancelled rs to order at farnwell again .. because they said it would be around 6 weeks.. |
| 13:48.30 | rolandow | if you say it's still months then i doubt if cancelling rs was wise to do :) |
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| 13:49.02 | Roelt | when did you order it at rs? |
| 13:49.27 | drmessano | rolandow, nobody is quicker than anyone else.. They all come from the same manufacturer, and from the same batch.. They are delivered to all the dealers at the same time |
| 13:50.05 | Katty | unless you know someone |
| 13:50.09 | drmessano | They are all at the mercy of the same manufacturing process |
| 13:50.25 | Katty | or are hella rich |
| 13:50.25 | rolandow | Katty: do YOU know someone? |
| 13:50.33 | Katty | i know everyone, dear. |
| 13:50.46 | drmessano | You can't order something that doesn't exist yet |
| 13:50.53 | rolandow | actually i'm surprised that no other company's create something like this, who *can* handle the amount of orders |
| 13:50.54 | Katty | i make it a point to know everyone |
| 13:51.20 | rolandow | hm .. you must be relative to santa claus then? |
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| 13:51.36 | Katty | adopted daughter. |
| 13:51.45 | rolandow | can you check if he got my wishlist? |
| 13:51.59 | Katty | he did, but he said you were bad this year. |
| 13:52.15 | rolandow | what?! |
| 13:52.16 | Katty | drmessano has you beat tho |
| 13:52.17 | rolandow | when?! |
| 13:52.28 | Katty | drmessano's the naughtiest of them all. |
| 13:54.04 | rolandow | ok |
| 13:54.06 | rolandow | so i'm safe |
| 13:54.12 | drmessano | rolandow, do you realize how many of these boards they are selling? Apple doesn't make products on demand.. they have a stockpile of any one product BEFORE release, and there is always a lead time on the next batch. They are making them as fast as anyone, they are just selling faster than they can be made |
| 13:54.17 | rolandow | only the naugtiest are being taken right |
| 13:54.30 | Katty | ...that's what he said? |
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| 13:54.56 | drmessano | If the arduino was half as popular as the Pi, you wouldn't be able to get them either.. and they are everywhere |
| 13:56.02 | Roelt | problem with arduino is that you have to program it.. it's not as easy as a Pi |
| 13:56.24 | Roelt | and, there are boatloads of clones available |
| 13:56.37 | rolandow | drmessano: ok .. no .. i didn't realize that.. i read they sold about 400.000 ? |
| 13:56.54 | drmessano | The arduino is for hardware development using software. The Pi is a ready to go PC |
| 13:57.06 | Roelt | but, AVR has had a lot or problems suplying the atmega uc in the beginning for ages.. |
| 13:59.18 | Katty | who needs a pi or an arduino when the world has women? |
| 13:59.27 | Katty | they are way better. |
| 13:59.41 | Roelt | true.. they even bring you tea and coffee |
| 13:59.51 | Katty | sometimes, if you ask nicely. |
| 13:59.52 | Roelt | but taking them apart has some problems.. |
| 13:59.56 | beardy | They're as hard to get shipped as a pi. |
| 14:00.13 | Katty | you just need some practice |
| 14:00.34 | beardy | Jump in a box will you? :) |
| 14:00.43 | Katty | needs moar wooing |
| 14:01.29 | drmessano | Women are easy to ship. You just need to rip the appendages off and stuff them in the box. You would be surprised how small of a box is required when you do it correctly. |
| 14:01.54 | rolandow | Katty: women make more noise |
| 14:02.04 | Katty | rolandow: i hear men like them loud. |
| 14:02.05 | Roelt | rolandow, more ducktape.. |
| 14:02.17 | rolandow | Katty: depends on the activity |
| 14:02.18 | Katty | drmessano: you'd be surprised how willingly a girl will get on a plane, when shipping is paid for ;P |
| 14:02.23 | drmessano | Katty, men like women loud, real men MAKE women loud |
| 14:02.31 | Katty | TRUE STORY!!! |
| 14:02.32 | beardy | Load as the pc speaker in my old Compaq 486 babybah! |
| 14:02.58 | Katty | and they /so/ do |
| 14:03.12 | beardy | Loud*, I wonder what happened there. Got overexcited. |
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| 14:03.28 | Katty | likely over heating |
| 14:03.59 | drmessano | Loud like a noisy blower motor in a Continental 816 FM Transmitter |
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| 14:05.18 | Katty | i'm guessing that's loud? |
| 14:05.48 | beardy | Atleast noisy, I guess. |
| 14:05.49 | drmessano | Yeah... |
| 14:06.04 | drmessano | Especially with the door off |
| 14:06.10 | Katty | :P |
| 14:06.16 | drmessano | and your head inside the transmitter |
| 14:06.27 | Katty | that doesn't sound like a very good thing to do |
| 14:06.52 | drmessano | Considering that you have to bypass a safety switch to get the thing to come on with any panels removed, yeah.. |
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| 14:07.04 | drmessano | Necessary at times |
| 14:07.16 | rolandow | no .. that would make me claustrophobic |
| 14:07.30 | Katty | well let's not do that then. |
| 14:07.32 | Roelt | nice transmitter.. nice way to boil your brains |
| 14:07.46 | rolandow | fortunately i don't even have such a transmitter |
| 14:07.49 | Katty | mmm boiled brains. just what i wanted for breakfast |
| 14:08.13 | beardy | Ok. Was going to ask what you were having today Katty. |
| 14:08.18 | rolandow | we have internet radio .. like modern companies have these days. |
| 14:08.21 | drmessano | The good news is, the 9000 volts is at the top of the transmitter.. the 3 phase 240 is at the bottom. HV tends to find you.. you have to find 240 |
| 14:08.41 | Katty | i had a breakfast b urrito |
| 14:08.46 | drmessano | Internet Radio accounts for 2% of time spent listening |
| 14:09.14 | rolandow | what about the other 98% |
| 14:09.25 | drmessano | 98% is still terrestrial AM/FM |
| 14:09.32 | Katty | they're listening to your mom |
| 14:09.34 | NKing | That's an impressive stat |
| 14:09.45 | rolandow | hehe.. well in NL they screw up the antennas |
| 14:09.55 | rolandow | lol .. so reception sucks :) |
| 14:10.07 | Katty | that's a bummer. |
| 14:10.16 | drmessano | Internet Radio is going to be big one day. Just not anytime soon. We spent a TON of money to get that 2%, but it's a drop in the bucket |
| 14:10.22 | rolandow | two large antennas that covers most of the country collapsed |
| 14:10.26 | rolandow | because of a fire |
| 14:10.30 | rolandow | still repairing it |
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| 14:11.06 | Katty | :> |
| 14:11.20 | Roelt | you're talking about IJsselstein and Smilde? |
| 14:11.56 | Roelt | the one in ijsselstein didn't collapse, it burned a bit and is working like it should |
| 14:12.21 | rolandow | Roelt: i thought at least one of them still isn't transmitting at 100% |
| 14:12.40 | drmessano | 100% isn't what you think |
| 14:12.46 | Roelt | Smilde is still down, Lijsselstein (lopik) has been at full power since april |
| 14:13.24 | Roelt | well, not full power like drmessano said, but at their normal operating power |
| 14:13.54 | drmessano | The difference between 25% and 100% is minor, was my point.. Even at reduced power a station is going to cover most of their contour |
| 14:14.38 | rolandow | well .. anyways.. reception inside the office here isn't without noise .. so we switched to internet radio :) |
| 14:14.38 | drmessano | With RF, 4 times the power is 6db gain.. or 1 Signal unit on a receiver. The difference between a 9 and a 10. |
| 14:15.22 | drmessano | A station at 6% power is going be all of 2 S units below their norm |
| 14:16.00 | drmessano | But 6% is a disaster to the unknowing. OMG WE ARE AT WHAT? THATS ALMOST OFF THE AIR |
| 14:16.48 | rolandow | ok i get your point :) |
| 14:17.10 | Katty | rolandow: you ever heard of a quality called Charm? |
| 14:17.47 | WIMPy | Katty: How does that break down in to SI unuts? |
| 14:17.49 | rolandow | Katty: i think i read about it |
| 14:17.58 | rolandow | Katty: why? |
| 14:18.00 | Katty | rolandow: well it's this quality to make others feel comfortable and welcome |
| 14:18.20 | Katty | rolandow: drmessano doesn't have it sometimes :< |
| 14:18.22 | rolandow | ah .. ok .. then this channel has a lot of charm! |
| 14:18.25 | Katty | in fact, a lot of people don't have it. |
| 14:18.36 | drmessano | Sometimes? |
| 14:18.40 | Katty | *hee* |
| 14:18.45 | Katty | pats drmessano |
| 14:18.47 | Katty | i still love you. |
| 14:18.52 | rolandow | actually i thought only women have it .. |
| 14:18.58 | Katty | not at all |
| 14:19.08 | drmessano | I have it, but only towards women |
| 14:19.26 | Katty | i start seeing guys having charm after about the age of 26 or 27 |
| 14:19.28 | drmessano | With guys, its like "Heres a fire.. jump" |
| 14:19.31 | Katty | depending on the guy, of course. |
| 14:19.35 | rolandow | it's probably only required for women as well |
| 14:19.35 | WIMPy | thinks it's only for salesmen and should be interpreted as a warning sign. |
| 14:20.12 | Katty | WIMPy: while i agree that charming sales men are to be avoided, i certainly appreciate people with a certain ammount of that charming social grace! |
| 14:20.34 | Roelt | insurance people are worse |
| 14:20.44 | WIMPy | You're so unprofessional. |
| 14:20.49 | WIMPy | Oh yes! |
| 14:20.50 | Katty | there is this New Aquaintenance of mine...very young...who feels the need to point out the flaws in things that everyone says |
| 14:20.58 | Katty | whether he is right or not |
| 14:21.02 | Katty | he wants to draw attention to it |
| 14:21.04 | rolandow | but being charming in ascii is a whole other quality, don't you think? |
| 14:21.20 | Katty | hmm...idk |
| 14:21.27 | Katty | i'm sure you type a lot like you talk? |
| 14:21.30 | WIMPy | Oh, is that what the © means? |
| 14:21.30 | drmessano | You mean like umm |
| 14:21.33 | Katty | but who knows! |
| 14:21.42 | WIMPy | Oh, wait, that's outside of ASCII. |
| 14:22.11 | rolandow | well to start with i don't speak a lot of english normally :) |
| 14:22.22 | Katty | it's not so much what you say |
| 14:22.24 | Katty | but how you say it |
| 14:22.26 | rolandow | WIMPy: high ascii doesn't count |
| 14:22.52 | drmessano | rolandow, here is your ASCII charm: http://pastebin.com/jh9kP3eP |
| 14:22.53 | rolandow | Katty: it's exactly that what troubles me .. i cannot say everything how i'd like to say it |
| 14:23.06 | Katty | rolandow: :< |
| 14:23.06 | rolandow | too afraid to make even more stupid gramatical mistakes than i already do :) |
| 14:23.16 | Katty | rolandow: well i think your english is quite lovely |
| 14:23.32 | rolandow | well thank you very much |
| 14:23.37 | Katty | rolandow: better than some people i know, where english is their native language ;) |
| 14:24.24 | rolandow | well .. don't know what to say now :) |
| 14:24.38 | rolandow | drmessano: is that a selfshot? |
| 14:24.39 | Katty | no reply needed! just keep on doing what you're doing |
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| 14:25.24 | Katty | drmessano: and yes, you are quite charming to women. |
| 14:25.34 | Katty | s/to/with/ |
| 14:26.20 | rolandow | 30 mins left ... did you start on your tickets yet Katty ? |
| 14:26.20 | drmessano | rolandow, no, I am not that limber |
| 14:26.31 | rolandow | drmessano: who was your model then? |
| 14:26.40 | Katty | no my labtech software is still trying to connect to the remote server. |
| 14:27.07 | rolandow | maybe the remote server has gone away |
| 14:27.13 | Katty | it's not. |
| 14:27.14 | rolandow | mysql does that .. or at least it says so |
| 14:27.24 | Katty | we have practically no pipe here, and someone is downloading a crap ton of KIP updates. |
| 14:27.36 | Katty | so i will just sit here and knit for awhile. |
| 14:28.02 | rolandow | what are you knitting? |
| 14:28.12 | Katty | a tardis laptop sleeve |
| 14:28.21 | rolandow | cool |
| 14:28.28 | rolandow | are they for sale? |
| 14:28.28 | Katty | http://42ndknitstreet.blogspot.com/2012/04/tardis-laptop-sleeve.html <- pattern |
| 14:28.32 | Katty | no, they are not. |
| 14:28.40 | Katty | this one is going to a good friend of mine, who is a dr who fanatic. |
| 14:29.37 | rolandow | lucky friend |
| 14:29.43 | Roelt | nice, and quick to make.. single colour is pretty easy :) |
| 14:29.54 | Katty | it's actually 4 colors. |
| 14:30.00 | Katty | but still fairly quick with fair isle knitting |
| 14:30.13 | rolandow | guys are not supposed to know anything about knitting Roelt |
| 14:30.15 | Katty | i did some math earlier, and have about 12 hours left on the project. |
| 14:30.24 | drmessano | rolandow, you're really not familiar with Goatse? |
| 14:30.24 | rolandow | even if you do, you keep it a secret! |
| 14:30.33 | Roelt | rolandow, :) |
| 14:30.40 | F|shie | nice apple sleeve |
| 14:30.40 | rolandow | drmessano: ... |
| 14:30.43 | Roelt | gf is currently making ohm sweet ohm, http://adafruit.com/products/855 .. :) |
| 14:30.52 | Katty | F|shie: thank you. that went to the boy. |
| 14:31.06 | drmessano | Thats pretty awesome, Roelt |
| 14:31.25 | F|shie | Katty: Do post the tardis one also |
| 14:31.38 | Katty | F|shie: of course. it's only about half done at the moment (= |
| 14:31.59 | Katty | Roelt: that's some lovely cross stitch |
| 14:32.04 | Katty | Roelt: or possibly embroidery? |
| 14:32.26 | rolandow | i'm starting to see that you guys are an expert in EVERYTHING here .. wow! #impressd |
| 14:33.15 | Roelt | Katty, afaik it just cross stitch |
| 14:33.36 | rolandow | who needs stackoverflow any longer |
| 14:33.46 | Katty | Roelt: very nice. |
| 14:34.01 | Weezey | Can GoToIfTime handle time zones or do I need to do that manually? |
| 14:34.16 | Katty | as far as i know, it does not handle time zones. |
| 14:34.28 | Katty | because everytime my server's time gets off...it goes wonkers. |
| 14:34.51 | rolandow | but your system could handle timezones |
| 14:35.17 | Katty | i've never really needed to worry about time zones, so admittedly i've never tried to see if it /does/ support it |
| 14:36.17 | rolandow | but it doesn't have a parameter to set the timezone as input |
| 14:36.34 | Katty | well that's quite the pickle, isn't it |
| 14:36.46 | Katty | you could like run a script |
| 14:36.53 | Katty | s/like/likely/ |
| 14:37.04 | Katty | return a value...do something based off a value. |
| 14:37.12 | beardy | Katty meant like, the above. |
| 14:37.29 | rolandow | so i assume the function will use the local time |
| 14:37.31 | Katty | i meant, like, your mom. |
| 14:37.39 | NKing | Oh snap! |
| 14:38.22 | Katty | eyes the embroidery thread in the ohm photo |
| 14:38.59 | Roelt | hihi |
| 14:39.03 | Katty | Roelt: well i guess cross-stitch and embroidery are the same thing |
| 14:39.15 | Katty | Roelt: it's just that cross stitch has the little spots already marked for you |
| 14:39.46 | Roelt | Katty, afaik cross-stich is a form of embroidery.. |
| 14:39.53 | beardy | Cross-stitch is one form of embroidery. But we weren't supposed to know right. |
| 14:40.03 | Katty | that would make sense. |
| 14:40.21 | Roelt | probably depends on the pattern, the one i've seen doesn't use the spots.. just white cloth with small holes |
| 14:40.54 | Katty | probably. i've done some embroidery and you just put the pattern on the cloth. |
| 14:40.59 | Katty | there aren't holes or anything. |
| 14:41.05 | rolandow | beardy: or at least not let other know that you know |
| 14:41.25 | Katty | there is nothing unmanly about cross stitch, embroidery, or knitting. |
| 14:41.27 | beardy | rolandow: Right. |
| 14:41.57 | Katty | the same way there isn't anything ungirly about bbqing steak and drinking beer. |
| 14:42.15 | Roelt | it's the new make-movement.. it's cool to do stuff like that.. :) |
| 14:42.26 | rolandow | Katty: some girls can do anything and still be hot .. |
| 14:42.36 | rolandow | unfortunatly that's different for men |
| 14:42.47 | drmessano | Katty looks hot rebooting a server |
| 14:42.52 | drmessano | Mm MM MMMM |
| 14:43.01 | Roelt | oh, and rolandow.. if you orderen your Pi and would like to like to tinker with hardware, buy http://www.flickr.com/photos/35434449@N08/7502512768/in/pool-adafruit :) |
| 14:43.05 | rolandow | drmessano: do you have any ascii art of that instead of goatie? |
| 14:43.09 | Katty | rolandow: well it shouldn't be and you should challenge that notion every day |
| 14:43.42 | drmessano | rolandow, all I have are naked pictures of Katty, and I don't think she would appreciate me turning them into ascii art.. |
| 14:44.02 | drmessano | I think, anyway.. Never asked her |
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| 14:44.42 | Katty | :P |
| 14:45.05 | vastina | moin telephreaks |
| 14:45.11 | Katty | g'morning dear. |
| 14:45.19 | drmessano | I guess I could do it, pastebin it, then ask if it's appropriate |
| 14:45.34 | Katty | it probably wouldn't be, knowing you. |
| 14:45.40 | rolandow | drmessano: just don't tell us that it's hr |
| 14:45.45 | rolandow | s/hr/her |
| 14:45.47 | drmessano | Yeah, you are 100% correct |
| 14:45.55 | Katty | regardless of what it was. |
| 14:45.55 | drmessano | Oh, you would know it was Katty. She's hot |
| 14:46.10 | vastina | how's the Katty one? |
| 14:46.11 | Katty | actually it's quite cool today |
| 14:46.27 | rolandow | drmessano: in that case, don't bother.. i've already seen her naked. |
| 14:46.28 | drmessano | She got really ummm yeah and ummm really wow umm yeah. Hard to not notice |
| 14:46.37 | vastina | rolandow: harsh |
| 14:46.53 | Katty | drmessano: i appreciate your compliments to my personality. |
| 14:46.56 | rolandow | vastina: ? |
| 14:47.16 | drmessano | Oh, and she's also kinda nice when she's not being a holy terror on gods green earth |
| 14:47.22 | drmessano | Like that? |
| 14:47.26 | vastina | rolandow: seen her naked... harsh |
| 14:47.31 | Katty | wait, a holy terror? :P |
| 14:47.45 | Katty | yeah, i guess you're right... |
| 14:47.46 | drmessano | :P |
| 14:47.58 | rolandow | vastina: according to drmessano she can be recognised as being hot .. so i must have seen her then already |
| 14:48.03 | rolandow | vastina: internet is full with it |
| 14:48.16 | Katty | unfortunately drmessano exagerates. |
| 14:48.24 | rolandow | somebody in here probably know how much % of the internet bandwith is consumed by .. let's say .. hot women |
| 14:48.30 | vastina | rolandow: certainly is, people tend to be more bold behind :0 |
| 14:48.53 | Katty | personally, i think people tend to be more like their true selves. |
| 14:48.55 | drmessano | Katty, my dear, you are a woman. Most women are incredibly sweet when they are not homicidally enraged. The percentage of both just varies from woman to woman |
| 14:48.57 | Katty | cause there's nothing to worry about. |
| 14:49.19 | Katty | drmessano: agreed! lol |
| 14:49.54 | drmessano | 1st Wife, 20/80, second wife, 50/50, third wife, 90/10. Yes, I have done the math |
| 14:50.03 | vastina | Katty: what's to worry about irl? apart of having the piss knocked out of you by insulting a much larger person or being shamehammered in front of everyone |
| 14:50.30 | Nivex | leifmadsen: are you the Leif Madsen logged in to the ALA Virtual Conference? |
| 14:50.31 | Katty | vastina: mostly not wanting everyone to hate you. |
| 14:51.01 | leifmadsen | Nivex: nope |
| 14:51.04 | Nugget | lubs Katty |
| 14:51.07 | vastina | finds his lady is homocidally enraged more than normal |
| 14:51.11 | vastina | :) |
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| 14:51.21 | Katty | vastina: that's unfortunate :< |
| 14:51.24 | Katty | hugs Nugget |
| 14:51.35 | Katty | Nugget: how is the texas today? has drdink had any luck finding a new home? |
| 14:51.42 | vastina | Katty: means I'm doing my job |
| 14:51.52 | Katty | vastina: idk about that lol |
| 14:52.21 | vastina | :) |
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| 14:52.36 | Nugget | yeah, he found a place that looks pretty good |
| 14:52.43 | Katty | excellent :> |
| 14:52.50 | Katty | vastina: maybe it's just a huge personality clash? :/ |
| 14:53.16 | Katty | Nugget: i hope his allergies do ok down there. i go to texas and BAM can't talk anymore. |
| 14:53.25 | Katty | Nugget: it's the cedar, me thinks. |
| 14:53.45 | rolandow | why can't you talk anymore? |
| 14:53.59 | Katty | sinus drainage leads to cough |
| 14:54.05 | Katty | and coughing leads to the dark side. |
| 14:54.27 | rolandow | sounds bad |
| 14:54.38 | vastina | Katty: maybe, either way I'll always love my beautiful pain in the ass whether or not we last |
| 14:54.56 | Katty | vastina: that's the spirit!!! |
| 14:55.06 | drmessano | I find that most men are too busy trying to fling their testosterone everywhere to figure out a woman and how to get along |
| 14:55.40 | drmessano | Women and men don't get along, by design. It takes work, and its NEVER the same with different women |
| 14:56.11 | vastina | drmessano: your findings are unique, I find that men tend to be *tch-made largely in this day and age and try too damned hard |
| 14:56.13 | Katty | or with different men. |
| 14:56.25 | vastina | life is entirely too short to be that stressed |
| 14:56.47 | Katty | vastina: YES, that's why i refused to marry my last ex. |
| 14:56.48 | vastina | flinging testosterone around leads to DV |
| 14:56.52 | Katty | err..3rd to last? |
| 14:56.55 | Katty | something lke that. |
| 14:56.58 | vastina | Katty: haha |
| 14:57.24 | Katty | i think the universe nearly every day i didn't say yes |
| 14:57.28 | Katty | s/think/thank/ |
| 14:57.44 | drmessano | I don't think so.. I think men play that card up, but still lack the basic compassion and understanding they need to get along with a woman. The whole mars and venus thing. It's actually quite spot on, if you've ever ready any of his books. |
| 14:58.03 | Katty | i read the one. |
| 14:58.07 | Katty | it was...interesting. |
| 14:58.10 | vastina | Katty: wise move, temporary pain from breakup is far more appreciable than living a life of misery choosing incompatibility |
| 14:58.25 | Katty | vastina: no doubt, i have seen that in action too. |
| 14:58.29 | Katty | vastina: with children involved. |
| 14:58.35 | Katty | vastina: it was just...awfull, really :/ |
| 14:58.46 | rolandow | drmessano: you don't really NEED to get along .. if you're busy figuring that out there's no time left to actually get along |
| 14:58.50 | vastina | drmessano: I've read the book, you sound young and purpose-seeking :p |
| 14:59.11 | Katty | or maybe he just gives a damn about keeping his wife spoiled. |
| 14:59.11 | rolandow | if you don't get along, just move on |
| 14:59.13 | drmessano | Men have a sense of entitlement.. We are the hunters, warriors, providers... and we expect just because we DONT smash her on the head with our club and drag her to bed (or the kitchen to make us food), as we are programmed to do, that we are doing her a favor and she should be grateful. |
| 14:59.43 | vastina | Katty: children are a harsh complicator... bag it, find your zen and don't make expensive puppies that you probably can't afford until you have your own life sorted |
| 15:00.00 | Katty | i already have an expensive puppy. |
| 15:00.05 | Katty | it suits me much better than a kid. |
| 15:00.22 | rolandow | vastina: you don't know for sure that your life is sorted, until the end. |
| 15:00.23 | vastina | Katty: I was talking about the expensive human pups |
| 15:00.27 | rolandow | old people break up as well |
| 15:00.30 | Katty | vastina: mhmm. |
| 15:00.56 | rolandow | human pups are no guarantee .. but also no good reason to stay together at all costs |
| 15:01.00 | Katty | luckily taht's not something i have to worry about. |
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| 15:01.31 | vastina | rolandow: like unix, life is more ideally had in small efficient processes complimenting an efficient system, if the partner screws that system up too much, may be a mismatch |
| 15:01.31 | rolandow | yes.. working day is over .. gonna fetch my human pup from daycare hehehehe |
| 15:02.02 | vastina | rolandow: enjoy the rest of it :) |
| 15:02.04 | rolandow | vastina: yes.. so what do you do then?? you start over and install a new system, right? |
| 15:02.06 | drmessano | i think if you haven't figured out how to keep a job by the time you have kids, you should never have any. |
| 15:02.08 | Katty | vastina: at that point you just need a new kernel ;) |
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| 15:02.36 | rolandow | Katty: exactly :) |
| 15:02.41 | vastina | Katty: just might |
| 15:02.46 | rolandow | and just backup your home folder and put it back :) |
| 15:02.49 | vastina | Katty: what breed of pup do you have? |
| 15:03.11 | Katty | vastina: german shephard. |
| 15:03.17 | Katty | vastina: but he's 4, so not really a puppy |
| 15:03.22 | vastina | Katty: american or german stock? |
| 15:03.31 | Katty | he's a german, german shephard |
| 15:03.35 | Katty | red and black |
| 15:04.01 | vastina | beautiful, they tend to be more mellow tempered and larger framed than their american pedigreed counterparts |
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| 15:04.07 | vastina | I've had a couple |
| 15:04.22 | drmessano | I think most guys keep their home folder on a removable drive and expect they can keep installing distros until they find one that makes them coffee with only a cron job. |
| 15:04.30 | Katty | he's a wonderful dog, but i won't get another german shephard |
| 15:04.34 | Katty | he doesn't suit my personality well |
| 15:04.45 | vastina | Katty: oh, what's the disconnect? |
| 15:05.00 | Katty | i'm more of a soft spoken person |
| 15:05.02 | vastina | doesn't like german shepherds much himself |
| 15:05.14 | Katty | and it doesn't work well with a hard headed working dog |
| 15:05.18 | Katty | and he doesn't like the apt much |
| 15:05.28 | vastina | hehe |
| 15:05.29 | Katty | but when i got him, i didn't think i'd be in an apt. |
| 15:05.37 | Katty | and drmessano knows all about that unfortunate incident. |
| 15:05.47 | fling | hello |
| 15:05.58 | Katty | tho i guess technically it was VERY fortunate |
| 15:06.03 | vastina | drmessano: you're quite assumptive and not very fair to most men it seems |
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| 15:06.25 | Chetan07 | hello all, I am new to asterisk , I am trying to integrate FreeRadius Client for AAA but due to lack of documentation i am unable to integrate properly.. anybody here can please help me with this.. |
| 15:06.31 | drmessano | No, I am most men. I know how we behave |
| 15:06.52 | vastina | drmessano: you're a subgroup, pipe down a bit |
| 15:07.05 | vastina | :) |
| 15:07.09 | drmessano | vastina, I don't think I need you to tell me to pipe down |
| 15:07.47 | drmessano | I will assume that was a mere suggestion, and take it as such |
| 15:08.02 | vastina | why not? you're generalising too much |
| 15:08.09 | vastina | and I find it unfair to my own personality |
| 15:08.26 | beardy | Hearhear. |
| 15:08.41 | Katty | beardy: testosterone spill on aisle 4. |
| 15:09.10 | vastina | fetches the mop |
| 15:09.14 | Qwell | O.o |
| 15:09.14 | vastina | :) |
| 15:09.26 | Katty | g'morning mister parker |
| 15:11.02 | vastina | wonders why he even spoke about all that in the telephreak channel |
| 15:11.02 | vastina | hehe |
| 15:11.26 | drmessano | vastina, you may be the subgroup, and your presumption that I am merely overgeneralizing is unfair to common knowledge |
| 15:11.26 | Qwell | vastina: PBX, telephony toolkit, and psychosocial support network |
| 15:11.36 | vastina | Qwell++ |
| 15:11.37 | vastina | haha |
| 15:11.40 | drmessano | vastina, so i think you need to apologize to the world at large |
| 15:12.06 | drmessano | All of them, individually |
| 15:12.14 | Katty | i think the world at large is more concerned about what's for lunch |
| 15:12.22 | Katty | than who fits what subgroup. |
| 15:12.30 | drmessano | Lunch is overrated |
| 15:12.31 | Qwell | I fit into the lunch subgroup. |
| 15:12.37 | Katty | Qwell: me too. |
| 15:12.39 | beardy | Most often things are the opposite of what the person feels necessary to give the shine of, but.. Yes. Telephones. |
| 15:12.58 | vastina | hands drmessano a pulitzer for his robust application of vocabulary on irc |
| 15:13.23 | vastina | Katty: what are you enjoying for lunch today? make anything? |
| 15:14.59 | vastina | made an albacore org mayo with fresh ground dill and saffron with kalamata olive sammich with a pickle on the side |
| 15:15.02 | vastina | mmm |
| 15:15.32 | vastina | almost forgot there was celery and purple potato in there as well |
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| 15:16.57 | drmessano | Well, at least no one made the conversation personal. Thank goodness for that |
| 15:17.05 | drmessano | But anyway, telephones |
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| 15:22.28 | vastina | hands drmessano a Littman Master stethoscope |
| 15:22.42 | drmessano | ? |
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| 15:23.12 | [TK]D-Fender | ~drmessano |
| 15:23.12 | infobot | [drmessano] the leading cause of censorship in #asterisk, maybe a Doctor, not really a mess um a no..... The Doctor is accepting new patients, <drmessano> I am not a OB/GYN but I'll have a look anyway, and is earning his reputation daily, or wearing oompa looma underwear |
| 15:23.12 | vastina | you're a doctor, have to have the best tools |
| 15:23.21 | [TK]D-Fender | ^^^ |
| 15:23.39 | vastina | [TK]D-Fender: hahaha! cheers :) |
| 15:23.43 | drmessano | I already have a Littman, not a master though |
| 15:24.41 | vastina | drmessano: your reputation precedes |
| 15:24.45 | vastina | need a master massuh |
| 15:25.04 | drmessano | Thats only been in the bot for 3 years |
| 15:25.08 | drmessano | and yes |
| 15:28.39 | Katty | vastina: pizza salad. http://42ndrecipestreet.blogspot.com/2012/07/pizza-salad.html |
| 15:28.43 | drmessano | I don't really need a $200 steth. I think mine was $90 and has a double bell, which is far more useful |
| 15:30.34 | vastina | Katty: looks delicious :) |
| 15:30.42 | Katty | ty |
| 15:34.37 | drmessano | Someone made money writing a book titled "Ubuntu made Easy" |
| 15:34.42 | drmessano | Wow |
| 15:34.47 | drmessano | 1. Boot 2. Use |
| 15:34.53 | drmessano | Thats one page |
| 15:35.08 | SuperNull | 3) kill your self if you want to manually configure network |
| 15:35.33 | drmessano | Not a fan of resolvconf or the DNS proxy? lol |
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| 15:35.42 | SuperNull | network manager pisses me off sometimes.. it kept resetting manual config and fubaring vlans. |
| 15:35.52 | drmessano | Oh that too |
| 15:36.28 | plundra | So don't use it. |
| 15:36.30 | plundra | NM that is. |
| 15:36.48 | SuperNull | i can on mine but for others its just to easy for most things.. |
| 15:36.59 | SuperNull | maybe there is a way to temp disable i dont know of |
| 15:37.24 | vastina | Katty: this your own recipe? |
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| 15:37.55 | drmessano | The DNSMASQ thing really pissed me off because it wasn't there until release. Found a forum post on it, but nothing anywhere else when I looked |
| 15:38.22 | SuperNull | network manager also used to not be such a whore.. so ditto.. |
| 15:38.37 | SuperNull | debian didnt have the same problems.. it wasn't as aggressive or something |
| 15:38.47 | drmessano | resolvconf was at least documented. Sneaking in the DNS resolver, completely undocumented was nasty |
| 15:39.34 | drmessano | Well, to Ubuntu's credit, they do a great job of fluffing and round off edges. They've made some HARD decisions for the benefit of the n00b, I think, which have screwed some of us in other places |
| 15:40.39 | drmessano | Cutting support for OSS screwed up a number of applications I had... Definitely wasn't done upstream, but was decided for the benefit of all those with sound issues. Great, I wasn't one |
| 15:41.11 | drmessano | This whole DNS restructing thing in 12.04 made it hard to set up boxes the way *I* wanted |
| 15:43.06 | Katty | vastina: the boy came up with it. |
| 15:43.12 | Katty | vastina: but the blog is mine, yes. |
| 15:45.11 | Katty | vastina: most of them are recipes i've found online and 'altered' a bit |
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| 15:46.09 | vastina | Katty: naturally :) we all need our templates |
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| 16:12.04 | Katty | LUNCH TIME!!! |
| 16:13.28 | leifmadsen | soon! |
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| 16:21.38 | ideaman | Wimpy, you around? |
| 16:22.30 | WIMPy | here! |
| 16:22.33 | ideaman | sweet |
| 16:22.59 | WIMPy | What do you want me to break? |
| 16:23.05 | ideaman | So I blew off the box, compliled dahdi 2.6.1, then installed Asterisk 1.8 again |
| 16:23.32 | ideaman | genconf and cfg work, but no chan_dahdi.so module to be found |
| 16:23.39 | ideaman | What did I do wrong? |
| 16:23.49 | Qwell | Asterisk 1.8.what? |
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| 16:24.33 | ideaman | 1.8.10.1 |
| 16:24.49 | Qwell | Did you check menuselect? |
| 16:24.59 | leifmadsen | did you run ./configure before that? |
| 16:25.16 | ideaman | I just did apt-get for the Asterisk install. |
| 16:25.19 | ideaman | Is that why? |
| 16:25.23 | leifmadsen | likely |
| 16:25.29 | leifmadsen | facepalms |
| 16:25.34 | ideaman | haha |
| 16:25.42 | ideaman | Can you tell I'm still new? |
| 16:25.45 | leifmadsen | compiling dahdi then installing a package is not going to work |
| 16:25.56 | ideaman | gotcha |
| 16:25.59 | leifmadsen | either use all packages, or don't |
| 16:25.59 | WIMPy | The Joy of Packages... |
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| 16:26.10 | ideaman | makes sense |
| 16:26.23 | WIMPy | Well, the other way round should be ok :-) |
| 16:26.40 | WIMPy | (dahdi package and Asterisk from source that is) |
| 16:26.42 | Qwell | WIMPy: Only if you install the -devel package |
| 16:26.51 | dhuckaby | g'day folks |
| 16:27.03 | ideaman | I'll compile it all and get some good experience |
| 16:27.12 | vastina | is there an equivalent of less() inside of the cli? |
| 16:27.17 | vastina | maybe a stupid question |
| 16:27.17 | leifmadsen | ideaman: there's documentation for that too |
| 16:27.23 | leifmadsen | vastina: no... |
| 16:27.32 | vastina | :( |
| 16:27.40 | ideaman | k, will go check it out |
| 16:27.43 | leifmadsen | vastina: you can use 'asterisk -rx "sip show peers" | less' |
| 16:27.44 | ideaman | thanks for your help |
| 16:27.50 | leifmadsen | or something lik ethat |
| 16:27.53 | dhuckaby | can asterisk be made to be a voice-mail only system utilizing an existing toshiba pbx? |
| 16:28.00 | leifmadsen | dhuckaby: yes. |
| 16:28.16 | vastina | leifmadsen: ah sweet, so the x flag will output to the shell rather than push you into the cli interface? |
| 16:28.18 | leifmadsen | you'll have to configure the toshiba pbx to send voicemail calls to asterisk with some data so that it can route correctly |
| 16:28.26 | leifmadsen | vastina: no, 'x' means execute |
| 16:28.36 | dhuckaby | ahh |
| 16:28.40 | leifmadsen | -r means connect to console |
| 16:29.00 | vastina | leifmadsen: right, I probably expressed that differently than I'm understanding it |
| 16:29.09 | vastina | thank you though |
| 16:29.12 | vastina | is rtfm |
| 16:29.49 | dhuckaby | this is an OLD analog toshiba pbx |
| 16:30.03 | dhuckaby | I shoulda been more specific |
| 16:30.20 | vastina | leifmadsen: Connect to a running Asterisk process and execute a command on a command line, passing any output through to standard out and then terminating when the command execution completes. Implied -r when -R is not explicitly supplied. |
| 16:30.24 | vastina | see I was sort of right |
| 16:30.25 | vastina | :p |
| 16:30.35 | WIMPy | Analog is evil. |
| 16:30.37 | leifmadsen | vastina: good for you :) |
| 16:30.48 | vastina | leifmadsen: thanks for the burn |
| 16:30.54 | leifmadsen | np, glad I could help |
| 16:30.56 | dhuckaby | @vastina I agree ;) |
| 16:31.19 | vastina | hehe |
| 16:31.44 | dhuckaby | power outtage this week just /dev/null'd the old DOS hard drive the voice mail system ran on ;) I'm the I.T. guy..not a telephony guy |
| 16:31.49 | dhuckaby | but I get the call anyhow ;( |
| 16:32.31 | leifmadsen | dhuckaby: ah, if you're doing this from scatch.... not a 1 day job likely |
| 16:32.41 | leifmadsen | if you don't know asterisk or the toshiba |
| 16:35.14 | dhuckaby | I knew asterisk 5 years ago :) had set up a demo for this client in case they wanted to go VOIP...haven't touched it since ;) know NOTHING about the toshiba :) |
| 16:35.56 | dhuckaby | just hate to see them spend 10's of thousands on a new phone system |
| 16:36.29 | dhuckaby | likely easier for me to build out a new DOS box and find out where to get the old software that was being used ;) |
| 16:36.30 | drmessano | Yeah, dont do that.. |
| 16:36.39 | leifmadsen | dhuckaby: just giving expectations about time -- you can likely look into the toshiba to see how much configuration you can do, and direct calls to voicemail to dial into asterisk |
| 16:36.58 | leifmadsen | dhuckaby: but problem will be indications for the voicemail to the hand sets I can imagine |
| 16:37.07 | leifmadsen | so ya.... probably not ideal |
| 16:37.11 | dhuckaby | likely not... |
| 16:38.10 | dhuckaby | as the old saying goes. Urgency is the catalyst that breaks the cycle of procrastination :) they can't put it off much longer(upgrading) I guess :) |
| 16:41.16 | drmessano | You could set up AsteriskNOW in short time. The Anti-GUI Nazis will hate you, but it's a quick way to get a system going. |
| 16:41.54 | Qwell | drmessano: the guistapo, if you will |
| 16:42.40 | dhuckaby | AsteriskNOW == the old Astrisk@Home? |
| 16:42.44 | Qwell | god no |
| 16:42.45 | drmessano | No.. |
| 16:43.14 | drmessano | CentOS + Asterisk + CentOS ... FreePBX has MUCH matured over the years |
| 16:43.23 | Qwell | double the CentOS! |
| 16:43.27 | drmessano | Supports MANY MANY different configuration scenarios, but it does take over the dialplan |
| 16:43.31 | drmessano | GAH |
| 16:43.39 | drmessano | CentOS + Asterisk + FreePBX ... FreePBX has MUCH matured over the years |
| 16:44.19 | dhuckaby | then I just need to get a digium card or two with 24-line(i think) amphenol connectors? |
| 16:44.24 | drmessano | Yep |
| 16:45.03 | drmessano | Burn the ISO, drop the disc in the machine, it installs everything for you.. you're ready to configure |
| 16:45.25 | dhuckaby | but it likely won't work with their current phones? would need to use soft-sip phones on their machines no? |
| 16:45.25 | drmessano | It's build by Digium, not some hobbyist in his mothers basement |
| 16:45.28 | Qwell | somebody should seriously buy the guy who did AsteriskNOW a beer. |
| 16:45.36 | Qwell | several beers, even. |
| 16:45.45 | drmessano | dhuckaby: Soft SIP phones? No.. SIP phones, yes |
| 16:45.53 | dhuckaby | if he were in Portland, OR I would ;) |
| 16:45.55 | drmessano | There's only thousands of hardware SIP phones |
| 16:46.08 | Qwell | dhuckaby: What is the card for, if you're not using analog phones? Do you have that many analog lines? |
| 16:46.19 | dhuckaby | yes... that many analog lines ;) |
| 16:46.25 | Qwell | why not PRIs? O.o |
| 16:46.30 | dhuckaby | what's PRI's? |
| 16:46.42 | Qwell | T1 |
| 16:46.55 | Qwell | It's usually much much cheaper to get a PRI than it is to have 24 analog lines. |
| 16:47.05 | drmessano | 23 lines per span, brought in on one RJ-45 interface |
| 16:47.15 | dhuckaby | oh oh .. they only have 5 incoming analog lines... I was talk'n about the office-lines.. |
| 16:47.20 | dhuckaby | 1/2 are analog 1/2 are digital |
| 16:47.21 | drmessano | Oh |
| 16:47.23 | Qwell | office lines? O.o |
| 16:47.32 | dhuckaby | from the pbx |
| 16:47.35 | drmessano | So you need a card for 5 lines and phones for each user |
| 16:47.45 | Qwell | so, to analog phones then? |
| 16:47.53 | dhuckaby | and then totally ditch the toshiba system? |
| 16:47.58 | drmessano | Yeah |
| 16:48.24 | drmessano | How many endpoints (phones) are there? |
| 16:48.26 | Qwell | AsteriskNOW + http://www1.digium.com/en/products/phones == stupid simple. |
| 16:48.51 | dhuckaby | 45-50 endpoints |
| 16:49.37 | drmessano | Qwell, how much are the D40s? |
| 16:50.14 | Qwell | I have no idea. Not a lot. |
| 16:50.23 | dhuckaby | chekcing |
| 16:50.38 | dhuckaby | switchvox very different from asterisk? |
| 16:50.40 | drmessano | NM.. I see them for about $130 retail. Might be able to get them in bulk for closer to $100 |
| 16:50.52 | Qwell | drmessano: something like that |
| 16:51.29 | dhuckaby | from digi site.. $142 a pop.. and I don't see a 'receptionist' phone with all the buttons for the transfer'n and parking stuff |
| 16:51.50 | Qwell | dhuckaby: they all have those builtin |
| 16:52.08 | drmessano | Yeah |
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| 16:52.33 | dhuckaby | how-so? her current phone has like 2 extra panels on the side to 1 button-touch route calls? |
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| 16:53.41 | drmessano | You may want to get a Polycom then with a couple sidecars |
| 16:53.53 | Qwell | the D50 and D70 both have sidecars O.o |
| 16:53.53 | drmessano | We dumped the sidecar when we moved to Asterisk. BLF is a waste |
| 16:54.15 | drmessano | The D70 has 10 slots.. |
| 16:54.48 | [TK]D-Fender | Aastra's LCD sidecar is godly.... |
| 16:55.19 | [TK]D-Fender | paired with a 6739i well ... hard to beat for high volume receptionist... |
| 16:55.23 | dhuckaby | I'm not up with the lingo... what's FXO and FXS ports? |
| 16:55.39 | drmessano | I dont see a demand for 50 extension sidecars anymore. You transfer the call, and if its busy, it goes to voicemail. |
| 16:55.40 | dhuckaby | oh not high-volume really.. just a small 220 student private high school |
| 16:55.54 | [TK]D-Fender | mind you Poly's call handling is still a little more solid...the the general user feel for the screen & sidecar favors Aastra highly |
| 16:56.36 | dhuckaby | is there no .. software based control panel sort of thing for receptionists? |
| 16:56.36 | tm1000 | dhuckaby: FXS = Copper to your House, FXO = A Phone in your hosue |
| 16:56.54 | drmessano | dhuckaby: Theres lots of them |
| 16:57.16 | dhuckaby | so then.. a basic phone with that software should work for a receptionist ya? |
| 16:57.21 | drmessano | Yes |
| 16:57.24 | [TK]D-Fender | tm1000, backwards... |
| 16:57.42 | [TK]D-Fender | FXS = Foreign eXchange Station. |
| 16:57.46 | [TK]D-Fender | Station = phone |
| 16:57.50 | dhuckaby | any of you guys Pacific Northwest based? :) |
| 16:57.54 | [TK]D-Fender | FXO = Foreign eXchange Office. |
| 16:57.54 | drmessano | If they even continue to use the panel. I set up a second monitor and panel for our receptionist to go with her basic phone, and they dont bother with the panel anymore |
| 16:57.58 | [TK]D-Fender | Your phone is not the office. |
| 16:58.01 | [TK]D-Fender | the telco is |
| 16:58.15 | tm1000 | I just said it correctly |
| 16:58.26 | tm1000 | FXO - Foreign eXchange Office interface is the port that receives the analog line. It is the plug on the phone or fax machine, or the plug(s) on your analog phone system. It delivers an on-hook/off-hook indication (loop closure). Since the FXO port is attached to a device, such as a fax or phone, the device is often called the ‘FXO device’. |
| 16:58.32 | tm1000 | FXS - Foreign eXchange Subscriber interface is the port that actually delivers the analog line to the subscriber. In other words it is the ‘plug on the wall’ that delivers a dialtone, battery current and ring voltage. |
| 16:58.50 | [TK]D-Fender | You get an FXO port to go to the telco. It will act as a STATION to it however. Therefor you'll see DAHDI signalling like fxs_ls |
| 16:59.06 | drmessano | You're talking about different ends |
| 16:59.07 | [TK]D-Fender | FXO = A Phone in your hosue <- FXO is not a phone in your hourse |
| 16:59.10 | [TK]D-Fender | house* |
| 16:59.16 | tm1000 | sorry |
| 16:59.18 | dhuckaby | 1TDM800PELF so that card is what I'm need'n? |
| 16:59.22 | tm1000 | it is the PLUG on the PHONE in your HOUSE |
| 16:59.23 | drmessano | Youre talking about different ends of the same interface |
| 16:59.41 | [TK]D-Fender | tm1000, it is the plug FOR your phones in your house :) |
| 17:00.28 | Qwell | dhuckaby: with modules, but yes |
| 17:01.12 | tm1000 | [TK]D-Fender: I'm just repeating what I see and what I've read |
| 17:01.47 | drmessano | You guys are both correct |
| 17:02.00 | tm1000 | drmessano: Yes I know that |
| 17:02.03 | dhuckaby | yes it shows with a 4 FXS and a 1 FXS module |
| 17:02.03 | drmessano | lol |
| 17:02.29 | dhuckaby | and that will take the 5 lines provided from the telco, plug those into this card...and then voila... I'm up and running? |
| 17:02.31 | drmessano | The TDM800SELF has no modules.. you need one with modules |
| 17:02.39 | drmessano | Sorry, PELF |
| 17:02.41 | drmessano | Whatever |
| 17:02.49 | drmessano | I googled it, it has no modules.. you need one with them |
| 17:03.22 | dhuckaby | correct. it shows that I gotta have 2 module cards to get the 5 lines |
| 17:03.29 | Katty | is about to get tangled in fair isle knitting with 4 colors. meep |
| 17:03.35 | dhuckaby | I'm betting they could go down to 4 lines without hamping their style |
| 17:03.41 | Katty | braces self for most complicated project yet |
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| 17:04.16 | dhuckaby | 1TDM440EF <-- should be able to use this card then |
| 17:04.35 | drmessano | dhuckaby: No, you need 4 FXO |
| 17:04.41 | kannan | hello all. id there a way to specify multiple filename with Playback() ? |
| 17:05.51 | Katty | s,1,Playback(thisfile) |
| 17:05.55 | Katty | s,n,Playback(thisotherfile) |
| 17:07.01 | leifmadsen | kannan: Katty: alternative is: s,1,Playback(thisfile&thisotherfile) |
| 17:07.09 | Katty | hot. |
| 17:07.25 | kannan | leifmadsen , thanks |
| 17:07.26 | Katty | they don't overlay tho, right? |
| 17:07.40 | leifmadsen | overlay? |
| 17:07.41 | leifmadsen | no |
| 17:07.44 | leifmadsen | they are sequential |
| 17:07.48 | leifmadsen | not parallel |
| 17:07.57 | Katty | mkay |
| 17:08.51 | dhuckaby | so is Switchvox Digium's paid-for solution and AsteriskNOW is the freebie? |
| 17:10.03 | leifmadsen | dhuckaby: no, they are different |
| 17:10.13 | leifmadsen | different projects entirely |
| 17:10.32 | kannan | with n priorities, like s,1,SayDigits(${VAR1}) then s,n,Playback(file1) there is some delay , its not much, but is there any setting that can reduce the silence time |
| 17:10.59 | leifmadsen | kannan: delay is entirely contained within the file itself, not the iteration between applications in the dialplan |
| 17:11.08 | leifmadsen | kannan: which means you need to modify the file to have less silence at the end |
| 17:11.21 | kannan | ok, thanks |
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| 17:15.19 | Weezey | you're welcome |
| 17:15.26 | dhuckaby | I see.. Asterisk has come a long way in 5yrs I see... :) |
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| 17:17.51 | Katty | wibbles and prepares for addition of 3rd color |
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| 17:19.50 | leifmadsen | dhuckaby: asterisk 1.8 probably looks nothing like you remember it |
| 17:20.06 | leifmadsen | the main changes you'll see are in functionality and dialplan syntax |
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| 17:27.27 | dhuckaby | so not being familiar with a voip system... a 2 line phone vs a 4 line phone? |
| 17:27.51 | dhuckaby | if i recall correctly... open line selection is handled by the Asterisk software.. |
| 17:28.06 | dhuckaby | rather than by user having to select a line to use if there are 4 incoming lines to the facility |
| 17:30.30 | TomCat2 | I don't understand the question |
| 17:30.41 | dhuckaby | looking at phones.. there are 2 line and 4 line phones. |
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| 17:31.17 | leifmadsen | dhuckaby: line keys are not associated with trunks like you're probably used to, which is sometimes referred to as Shared line appearance |
| 17:31.21 | dhuckaby | why would a user need to have multiple lines when transfers are handled by software and when they dial it will just use the first available line? |
| 17:31.32 | leifmadsen | you don't press a line key to get a phone line, you just dial, and it takes a path |
| 17:31.38 | dhuckaby | right. |
| 17:31.40 | leifmadsen | dhuckaby: because you can have multiple calls |
| 17:31.41 | dhuckaby | so what are the line keys for? |
| 17:31.54 | leifmadsen | I can receive more than 1 call and flip between them still |
| 17:31.57 | dhuckaby | multiple incoming lines to one destination? |
| 17:31.59 | leifmadsen | yes |
| 17:32.06 | dhuckaby | gotcha |
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| 17:32.18 | leifmadsen | or I call someone on line 1, press line 2, dial someone else, and do a conference on the phone |
| 17:32.27 | TomCat2 | inbound calls and outbound calls are not mutually exclusive to a 'line' |
| 17:32.38 | leifmadsen | or call someone on their cell phone, press line 2, call into a conference room, and conference the external caller in etc |
| 17:32.45 | dhuckaby | @leif. that's only requir'd for OUTSIDE network call conf. right? |
| 17:32.51 | leifmadsen | any call |
| 17:32.57 | leifmadsen | calls are calls (what TomCat2 said) |
| 17:32.58 | dhuckaby | internal calls use up a line? |
| 17:33.05 | leifmadsen | don't think of lines |
| 17:33.07 | leifmadsen | they are just calls |
| 17:33.20 | dhuckaby | so the buttons are 'calls' buttons not line buttons |
| 17:33.23 | leifmadsen | if you have 4 line buttons, you can have 4 sim calls on the device |
| 17:33.28 | dhuckaby | gotcha |
| 17:33.40 | leifmadsen | ignore the thoughts about trunks and external lines at this point |
| 17:33.45 | TomCat2 | think of asterisk as an old school switchboard operator who's manually plugging 2 ends of a wire into 2 endpoints |
| 17:34.05 | TomCat2 | call comes in, asterisk decides who it goes to - routes the call to that phone |
| 17:34.16 | dhuckaby | oh I saw one of those machines at a 'surplus' shop last month.. was REALLY temped to drop the $2500 they wanted for it, just for home-decor value ;) |
| 17:34.17 | TomCat2 | you pick up the phone to dial out, asterisk decides where it needs to route to |
| 17:34.19 | ctaloi | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:35.09 | TomCat2 | it's a channel-based architecture... you have a channel to reach asterisk, so does an inbound caller that's coming in via your trunk, or another phone in your network... asterisk conferences the 2 channels together to make a call happen |
| 17:35.14 | ctaloi | sorry bout that |
| 17:35.18 | dhuckaby | lets say all external lines are busy and teacher picks up the phone to call outside, will she just get a busy signal? |
| 17:35.45 | TomCat2 | that would depend on your dialplan - you can decide what she gets |
| 17:36.08 | dhuckaby | ahh there is still the 'dial plan' coolie.. one thing I recall from 5yrs ago |
| 17:36.50 | TomCat2 | if you have a card that's connected to some PSTN lines - and that's what you're calling an external line, that would go in your dial plan... |
| 17:37.05 | TomCat2 | if you're using a service like flowroute - doubt they're gonna run out of lines - but they might |
| 17:37.24 | leifmadsen | most ITSPs will let you have 5 sim calls unless you ask for more |
| 17:37.31 | leifmadsen | at least from my experience |
| 17:37.41 | leifmadsen | sometimes its not limited, as each call is typically paid for per minute |
| 17:38.00 | TomCat2 | yeah - flowroute is not limited AFAIK for outbound |
| 17:38.12 | TomCat2 | for inbound you have choices depending on how you setup your DIDs |
| 17:38.23 | dhuckaby | they dont' have DIDs' |
| 17:38.34 | dhuckaby | just 5 POTS lines(I think pots is the right term) |
| 17:38.41 | TomCat2 | PSTN |
| 17:38.44 | TomCat2 | same thing |
| 17:39.26 | TomCat2 | and... take anything I say with a grain of salt - there are experts here - of which I am not |
| 17:39.53 | TomCat2 | just been reading a good book and built asterisk from source last weekend :D |
| 17:39.58 | dhuckaby | now the analog vs digital cards... since they are PSTN lines they need analog cards right? |
| 17:40.35 | dhuckaby | and internally they don't need any cards at all |
| 17:40.54 | TomCat2 | internally - depends on the type of phone - they using phones with SIP built-in? |
| 17:41.09 | dhuckaby | they will be |
| 17:41.24 | TomCat2 | then your 'card' is essentially your port on your ethernet hub :D |
| 17:41.26 | dhuckaby | they have crappy old toshiba phones atm |
| 17:41.51 | TomCat2 | in my setup, I have analog phones - so I use a Linksys PAP2 - only running 2 lines ATM |
| 17:42.08 | dhuckaby | how important is it to seperate the phone traffic from the network traffic? |
| 17:42.49 | TomCat2 | if it's possible, it's preferable... but QOS can be adequate as long as everything on your network obeys it |
| 17:43.28 | dhuckaby | yeah it's an old brick building and adding a new drop per-phone would suck balz |
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| 17:44.05 | TomCat2 | you need QOS if you're going to use VOIP to connect via someone else's trunk across the Internet... and happen to share that connection with other devices... |
| 17:44.17 | dhuckaby | yeah that's not gonna happen :) |
| 17:44.28 | TomCat2 | you may not need a new drop per phone... most often Ethernet networks are run with 4 pairs of wire, but only 2 are in use |
| 17:44.34 | dhuckaby | just replace'n old toshiba Pbx and voicemail system |
| 17:44.38 | dhuckaby | from the 60's or so |
| 17:44.53 | dhuckaby | likely 80's but seems archaic enough to be from the 60's |
| 17:45.00 | TomCat2 | and if whoever made the drops is worth their salt, hey would have dropped an extra 4 pair cable entirely per drop point and just left the cable unattached at both ends as a spare and for expansion |
| 17:45.24 | TomCat2 | the cost to do dual drops vs. singular drops, when you're not adding in jacks and patch panel hardware, it's negligable |
| 17:46.15 | dhuckaby | yeah, now days.. 20 yrs ago people weren't thinking about that in school environments :( |
| 17:46.27 | TomCat2 | possibly |
| 17:46.49 | TomCat2 | I haven't wired a school in ages... last one I did was in '97... and they definitely got a spare cable per drop |
| 17:47.12 | dhuckaby | the setup you built was that just for personal or business? |
| 17:47.12 | TomCat2 | it literally adds less than 5% to the labor and materials cost |
| 17:47.40 | TomCat2 | the one I build over the weekend - that's for a home buiness |
| 17:47.41 | TomCat2 | *business |
| 17:48.06 | TomCat2 | so both actually - there's plenty of things going on here like Netflix movie watching, etc... it doesn't interfere with the VOIP calls |
| 17:49.05 | dhuckaby | awesome |
| 17:49.06 | TomCat2 | and that's even with a current semi-temporary setup where the ATA device (linksys PAP2) is plugged directly into the 4 port built-in hub in the ISP-provided router... |
| 17:49.40 | TomCat2 | but with the Asterisk box connected via WIFI - and the WIFI access point connected into the next port over in the same ISP provided router |
| 17:49.51 | TomCat2 | both the WIFI access point and the ISP provided router support QOS |
| 17:50.11 | dhuckaby | well when this iso finishes downloading, I'll be jazz'n it into a box and testing the over-the network calls while do'n some network tests I guess |
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| 17:50.49 | TomCat2 | but for your situation, what I recommend is splitting off the unused 2 pairs at each drop and replace the faceplate with one that supports 2 RJ45 jacks |
| 17:51.16 | TomCat2 | if you're lucky, none of the cables are bad |
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| 17:51.43 | TomCat2 | if you're very lucky, you'll find a second 4-pair cable altogether in there |
| 17:52.36 | TomCat2 | then wherever you have your patch panel, you can put the VOIP network on their own hub and connect your asterisk server to the same network |
| 17:52.52 | dhuckaby | I've been in the attic.. there's not 2nd run |
| 17:52.56 | TomCat2 | put 2 nics in the asterisk server and you can still manage it from the main network without possibly spilling any traffic over |
| 17:53.28 | dhuckaby | but I have a cheap wire-monkey I hire for these sorts of things :) |
| 17:53.48 | TomCat2 | no expensive managed/switched hub to buy - just need a screwdriver, punch down tool, and your hands |
| 17:54.13 | dhuckaby | POE seems to be wanted by most of these phones.. |
| 17:54.21 | dhuckaby | but everyone has power at their desk...so they can just use an adapeter |
| 17:54.39 | dhuckaby | are you using a soft phone or physical phone? |
| 17:55.19 | TomCat2 | you might be able to swing the POE with your pre-existing cat3 that was used for the old phone system |
| 17:56.42 | TomCat2 | since POE would be using those unused pairs I spoke of before |
| 17:58.07 | TomCat2 | still just a matter of punchdown |
| 17:59.00 | TomCat2 | just check what kind of power you will need to power your devices... if it's within the range cat3 will support, repurpose your cat3 for it |
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| 18:01.11 | TomCat2 | depending on what you want to use for the power source, you might not even need the cat3 patch panel to be in the same part of the building as your hubs |
| 18:01.26 | TomCat2 | PoE switches are nice, but not even necessary here |
| 18:02.11 | dhuckaby | reuse'n the cat3 would be nifty |
| 18:02.27 | iulhk | on hangup call , i want to dial some other sip peer number , is it possible with h extension? |
| 18:02.51 | TomCat2 | mind that if you're doing this in a school environment, there may be certain standards that you may have to adhere to... I'd have no qualms about this personally though as long as the wiring used is able to handle the wattage |
| 18:03.24 | TomCat2 | have to see if what you need is considered 'low voltage' according to local regulations |
| 18:03.27 | dhuckaby | yeah low voltage regulations are fairly non-prohibitive |
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| 18:04.30 | TomCat2 | I was only ever required to call in a licensed and bonded electrician to seal up and put his stamp of approval on any firewall penetrations |
| 18:04.52 | TomCat2 | or to create them |
| 18:05.10 | TomCat2 | the actual running of the cat5, or punchdown, etc... no issues with having a wire monkey do it |
| 18:06.13 | TomCat2 | probably you'll have less issues using the cat3 for PoE anyway... less chance of electrical interference bothering your ethernet signals |
| 18:07.10 | TomCat2 | even when you don't see a total loss of connectivity... sometimes even just plain power wires right next to your ethernet cables can cause a slight degrade in performance |
| 18:07.33 | dhuckaby | ahh ya didn't mention.. you use'n a sip desktop phone or software phone? |
| 18:07.43 | TomCat2 | not sure what the potential is for low voltage running right inside of the same jacket |
| 18:08.55 | TomCat2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:08.57 | TomCat2 | PSTN phone |
| 18:09.16 | TomCat2 | the ATA takes care of making the hop from ethernet to PSTN |
| 18:09.24 | TomCat2 | Linksys PAP2T |
| 18:09.42 | TomCat2 | think in terms of something similar to what Vonage would send you if you bought their service |
| 18:10.03 | dhuckaby | oh thats nifty |
| 18:10.46 | TomCat2 | I'm quite sure Digium sells the equivalent or better as a card with multiple ports too if in event you have to keep the old phones and just get to upgrade the switching to use Asterisk |
| 18:11.33 | dhuckaby | yeah, could likely throw in a card that had amphenal connector like on the phone-line punch-down block |
| 18:11.44 | dhuckaby | pulls 24-lines at a time I thinks |
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| 18:12.11 | TomCat2 | yep - of course then you're back to a phone line being a phone line, as far as the old phone system thinks anyway |
| 18:12.35 | TomCat2 | but you do get the benefits of an IVR, and such |
| 18:12.39 | dhuckaby | right ;( |
| 18:13.07 | dhuckaby | I might just buy them all head-sets and say use this until we get POE phones sorted out :) |
| 18:13.21 | dhuckaby | depends on how much they wanna budget to the project ;) |
| 18:13.31 | TomCat2 | depends on if the computers were installed 20 years ago along with the wire |
| 18:13.46 | dhuckaby | no, they all get'n pimp'd out machines this month :) |
| 18:13.55 | dhuckaby | i7's with 8 gigs of ram |
| 18:14.27 | TomCat2 | oh just get them USB phones then if they want the touch and feel of a regular phone :D |
| 18:14.42 | TomCat2 | there - infinite options |
| 18:14.43 | dhuckaby | ooo.. there's usb sip phones?!?! |
| 18:14.56 | dhuckaby | Huck needs a central repository for all this info to look up :) |
| 18:14.57 | TomCat2 | there are even USB sip phone jacks |
| 18:15.31 | TomCat2 | I've never been a fan of plugging a plain headset into the PC's audio in/out ports |
| 18:15.44 | TomCat2 | even if the PC performs well, sometimes you get noise |
| 18:15.56 | dhuckaby | it's what I used when I tested out Asterisk@Home yeaaaaaaaaars ago |
| 18:15.58 | TomCat2 | whether from the PC itself, or carried in through the power outlet |
| 18:16.19 | dhuckaby | they call them 'skype' phones? |
| 18:16.20 | TomCat2 | esp. with on-board audio cards |
| 18:16.46 | TomCat2 | skype phones are a type of sip phone, yeah - but they're usually made proprietary to work with the skype service |
| 18:17.07 | TomCat2 | skype uses sip, but doesn't necessarily expose everything you need to use it w/o skype |
| 18:17.50 | TomCat2 | how good is the school's Internet connection? |
| 18:18.24 | dhuckaby | comcast business |
| 18:18.45 | dhuckaby | 24mbs m'thinks |
| 18:19.41 | TomCat2 | depending on what kind of discount the telco has to give to the school (I know for public schools, it can be a very deep discount) - you can also gain additional capacity by using flowroute |
| 18:20.15 | TomCat2 | you could cut your 5 phone lines down to 1 that's there for emergencies or Internet outage times |
| 18:20.39 | dhuckaby | what's flowroute? |
| 18:20.44 | dhuckaby | something in Asterisk? |
| 18:20.48 | TomCat2 | my monthly bill from Flowroute w/o usage 2 phone numbers is like $2 a month |
| 18:21.08 | dhuckaby | crazy :) |
| 18:21.17 | TomCat2 | no - flowroute is like a telco - but who gives you the calling capability via the internet |
| 18:21.31 | TomCat2 | like a Vonage, but for techies, and much much cheaper |
| 18:21.59 | dhuckaby | ah |
| 18:22.15 | TomCat2 | you can pay per minute for inbound/outbound calls, or you can buy unlimited minutes plans that limit only simultaneous # of calls |
| 18:22.20 | [TK]D-Fender | ~itsp |
| 18:22.20 | infobot | [~itsp] An ITSP is an Internet Telephony Service Provider (or VoIP telephone company). They allow you to either SEND calls to the PSTN (this is called termination), RECEIVE calls from the PSTN (called origination), or both. Some offer fixed rates, others $/min. Enter ~itsplist-us (USA) or ~itsplist-ca (Canada) for a listing of popular ITSPs. |
| 18:22.21 | [TK]D-Fender | ^^^ |
| 18:22.44 | TomCat2 | ty :D |
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| 18:23.36 | TomCat2 | in a school environment, I would definitely recommend keeping at least 1 PSTN in any case just because you can never rely 100% on your Internet connection |
| 18:23.45 | TomCat2 | for my environment, my backup is the cell phone |
| 18:24.44 | TomCat2 | depending on the ITSP you use, you can have it setup that if your ISP drops you offline, they can send your calls (call forwarding) to a diff # |
| 18:25.24 | TomCat2 | and if you set it up correctly, nobody using your phone system will even notice the Internet has affected phone service unless you need to have more simultaneous calls going than your PSTN lines will allow |
| 18:26.15 | TomCat2 | if you only have 5 lines for a whole school - probably they're used to all lines being busy all the time anyway :D |
| 18:26.26 | TomCat2 | most for non-essential matters |
| 18:26.58 | SuperNull | there is not an addon that deals with star codes on asterisk it self is there ? |
| 18:28.13 | dhuckaby | very much non-essential matters ;) |
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| 18:30.47 | dhuckaby | visual voice mail... woot... does asteriskNOW support that?! |
| 18:31.11 | maradona | whois dhuckaby |
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| 18:32.20 | dhuckaby | odd |
| 18:33.01 | vastina | maradona was a cheater, hand of god is pathetic |
| 18:33.17 | vastina | Argentina-- |
| 18:33.36 | [TK]D-Fender | SuperNull, What "star codes"? |
| 18:33.54 | dhuckaby | *69? |
| 18:34.12 | [TK]D-Fender | Where do you see that such a thing exists in Asterisk in the first place? |
| 18:38.31 | TomCat2 | Asterisk wouldn't have anything to do with a * would it? :D |
| 18:38.38 | dhuckaby | heh ;) |
| 18:45.00 | Qwell | dhuckaby: The phone has to support it. (Digium phones have a voicemail application) |
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| 18:48.17 | dhuckaby | okay just spend last 25 min searching for phones.. |
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| 18:48.45 | dhuckaby | egads... it's worse than searching for an off-the-shelf VOIP solution :) |
| 18:49.07 | dhuckaby | seems as if all of the phones have some features and lots of suckage |
| 18:49.48 | [TK]D-Fender | No, most have lots of features and differeing amounts of mostly-minor suckage |
| 18:49.50 | NKing | dhuckaby: What phone brands have you checked out so far? |
| 18:50.34 | dhuckaby | in fairness haven't found a review of digium's phones yet.. just cisco/snom/polycom/aastra/grandstream |
| 18:50.53 | dhuckaby | those, but the reviews are OLD 4yrs or so |
| 18:50.54 | Qwell | dhuckaby: Here's my completely biased review of Digium phones. Buy them. |
| 18:51.10 | dhuckaby | heh I like it ;) |
| 18:51.11 | NKing | Qwell: Haha! |
| 18:51.34 | dhuckaby | to say my end-users are idiots would be an understatement |
| 18:51.40 | Qwell | most are |
| 18:51.44 | NKing | dhuckaby: In my personal opinion, Polycom and Yealink are the ways to go. |
| 18:51.52 | dhuckaby | I get calls(IT guy, remember) because they don't know how to turn their printers on |
| 18:52.06 | dhuckaby | all i've read about polycom is they are a @#$%! to configure |
| 18:52.22 | NKing | Those are the worst. Call help-desk first, think later. |
| 18:52.29 | Qwell | dhuckaby: If you're planning on using AsteriskNOW, Digium phones are pretty much automatically configured for you. :D |
| 18:52.39 | TomCat2 | or you could just get http://www.amazon.com/Hamburger-Cheeseburger-Burger-Phone-Telephone/dp/B0016CVUR8 |
| 18:52.50 | NKing | Check it out, I didn't know that about Digium phones. |
| 18:52.57 | TomCat2 | but I suspect the Digium phones are much much better |
| 18:53.15 | dhuckaby | if that burger phone would work, I would seriously put them on some people's desks! |
| 18:53.19 | Qwell | TomCat2: hamburger phone might give us a run for our money |
| 18:53.32 | Qwell | I mean, look at that - it's even got a redial key |
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| 18:53.50 | TomCat2 | it's not a hamburger - it's a CHEESEburger! |
| 18:53.53 | TomCat2 | extra feature! |
| 18:53.54 | devdvd | hey, using asterisk 10.4.0. What is the best ATA to use for fax support? |
| 18:55.46 | NKing | Polycoms really aren't bad to configure, btw. It's probably a matter of preference. I've had plenty of experience with the IP335's, and they're pretty simple. |
| 18:59.33 | dhuckaby | Powered by Power over Ethernet (802.3af PoE) or 48V power supply (included) ... any phone needing 48V... is ridiculous |
| 18:59.47 | dhuckaby | that's an Aastra |
| 19:00.36 | NKing | What's an Aastra? |
| 19:00.41 | NKing | The IP335? |
| 19:00.51 | Katty | hai |
| 19:00.58 | NKing | Hola |
| 19:01.09 | Katty | como estas? |
| 19:01.32 | NKing | Muy bien, y tu? |
| 19:02.34 | [TK]D-Fender | Polycom IP 335 |
| 19:03.12 | NKing | Yes |
| 19:07.22 | jpsharp | Polycoms are a breeze once you have an XML template you can configure all your phones with. |
| 19:16.09 | Katty | NKing: ehh...asi asi (= |
| 19:17.36 | vastina | 's hispandex es una mierda, por que necesita en norte america? un idioma, ingles. |
| 19:18.05 | Katty | hehe |
| 19:18.08 | Katty | english is good too |
| 19:19.03 | vastina | agreed :) works in both countries I go between, and it's ostensibly the language of commerce |
| 19:19.05 | NKing | Yeah, I had to use babelfish to see what asi even meant... =P |
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| 19:23.27 | echo083 | hello |
| 19:23.33 | echo083 | some people here ? |
| 19:23.55 | echo083 | which distribution based on asterisk would you recommend me ? |
| 19:24.11 | echo083 | i found 5 |
| 19:25.15 | NKing | Which 5 are you looking at? |
| 19:25.55 | echo083 | NKing, asteriskNow trixbox elastix freepbx pbxinaflash |
| 19:26.05 | echo083 | NKing, which one i should take and why ? |
| 19:26.22 | echo083 | NKing, should i install asterisk from scratch ? |
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| 19:27.13 | echo083 | noone ? |
| 19:27.46 | TomCat2 | any of the GUIs added to asterisk will be limited... meaning you won't be able to do everything you might want to do using the GUI... and often, when you have to edit the config files yourself, those configurations will not be visible or interface with the settings you manage in the GUI |
| 19:28.00 | TomCat2 | best you can do is try them out and see what features they expose |
| 19:28.13 | echo083 | TomCat2, so AsteriskNow is the best choice ? |
| 19:28.15 | NKing | It's probably a matter of preference. FreePBX and pbxinaflash are what I have the most experience with, and they're extremely similar. Ultimately you'll be able to do anything you need to do on the CLI. |
| 19:28.54 | TomCat2 | FreePBX and AsteriskNOW are essentially the same thing - just depends on if you want the latest and greatest Asterisk, or the latest and greatest FreePBX GUI... |
| 19:29.01 | echo083 | NKing, ok but as TomCat2 say i won't have access to every parameters from the GUI rather than manually edition configuration file ? |
| 19:29.34 | echo083 | TomCat2, AsteriskNow only provide asterisk ? does it provide any GUI or web interface ? |
| 19:29.35 | TomCat2 | assess your requirements, then decide which is the best fit |
| 19:30.03 | TomCat2 | AsteriskNow provides a (last time I checked 2 weeks ago) outdated FreePBX |
| 19:30.12 | jpsharp | The GUIs are good for office phones systems and some basic calling features. Anything more than that and you're going to be building dialplans by hhand. |
| 19:30.14 | Qwell | TomCat2: That is not accurate. |
| 19:30.22 | echo083 | TomCat2, okkkk !!! i saves me time the information you give me !! |
| 19:30.38 | NKing | No GUI is really going to give you every parameter available in Asterisk. |
| 19:30.40 | TomCat2 | has the FreePBX included with AsteriskNow been updated recently? looked like the prior major version 2 weeks ago |
| 19:31.00 | Qwell | TomCat2: 2.10 is the latest. AsteriskNOW ships with 2.10. |
| 19:31.04 | echo083 | NKing, ok ok ! |
| 19:31.23 | TomCat2 | ok I take it back then. maybe I downloaded just before the update |
| 19:31.27 | echo083 | a word about trixbox and elastix ? |
| 19:31.31 | Qwell | It has had 2.10 for months. |
| 19:31.40 | Qwell | echo083: Disregard trixbox entirely. |
| 19:31.44 | Qwell | Just drop it from your list. |
| 19:31.45 | NKing | Lol. |
| 19:31.56 | echo083 | Qwell, okkkkk ! and elastix ? |
| 19:32.04 | Qwell | I have no opinion. |
| 19:32.19 | TomCat2 | Qwell - then I have no idea what the heck I grabbed and saw an old version - maybe I grabbed the wrong release of AsteriskNow |
| 19:32.27 | drmessano | Elastix hold your pants up, not your business |
| 19:32.27 | Qwell | TomCat2: shouldn't have even been possible |
| 19:32.31 | NKing | I haven't used pure elastix, but I have some experience with Xorcom PBX's which run CompletePBX - it's heavily based on elastix |
| 19:32.56 | [TK]D-Fender | Elastix uses a old forked embedded version of FreePBX. Avoid if the idea of wider support is of any importance to you |
| 19:32.57 | echo083 | Qwell, my final choice is to install Freepbx distribution and when i'll master it i'll try asterisk alone |
| 19:33.25 | TomCat2 | that's what I did - aside from somehow seeing the prior FreePBX somehow during my exploration |
| 19:33.32 | [TK]D-Fender | FreePBX ISo has an issue of being a NETINSTALL so every time you want to use it you have to download your entire distro live |
| 19:33.48 | echo083 | [TK]D-Fender, okkk looks like all those distribution use an outdated freepbx |
| 19:33.48 | Qwell | [TK]D-Fender: They don't provide a full ISO? |
| 19:33.53 | [TK]D-Fender | no |
| 19:33.55 | Qwell | echo083: That is not accurate. |
| 19:33.55 | [TK]D-Fender | Netinstall only |
| 19:34.12 | Qwell | echo083: Both AsteriskNOW and the FreePBX distro use FreePBX 2.10. |
| 19:34.13 | TomCat2 | incorrect - there is a full ISO version |
| 19:34.24 | [TK]D-Fender | tomlink please... |
| 19:34.27 | TomCat2 | however it's old |
| 19:34.29 | [TK]D-Fender | TomCat2, link please... |
| 19:34.32 | TomCat2 | this is what I got.... ah hah |
| 19:34.36 | TomCat2 | http://www.schmoozecom.com/distro-download.php |
| 19:35.06 | TomCat2 | disregard half of what I say - this is the schmooze versioning of the distro - not the freepbx versioning |
| 19:35.15 | echo083 | Qwell, ok ok ! |
| 19:35.15 | [TK]D-Fender | THAT is news |
| 19:35.32 | [TK]D-Fender | TomCat2, that is looking legit & new |
| 19:35.33 | Qwell | TomCat2: They make the FreePBX distro. |
| 19:36.00 | echo083 | i grab that yesterday : AsteriskNOW-2.0.2-i386-DVD.iso and FreePBX-1.813.210.58-i386-Full-1339178731.iso |
| 19:36.03 | TomCat2 | right - they version as 1.8 - doesn't really reveal that their 1.8 includes freepbx 2.10 or what version of centos or whatnot |
| 19:36.05 | Qwell | I suppose they could be making 2 versions of it though. |
| 19:36.47 | drmessano | The .210. in the version is the freepbx version |
| 19:37.06 | echo083 | drmessano, ohh nice i was looking for the freepbx version info |
| 19:37.08 | [TK]D-Fender | Stable-1.812.210.57 = * 1.8.12, FreePBX 2.10., Kernel version X.57 |
| 19:37.20 | drmessano | ^^ |
| 19:37.21 | [TK]D-Fender | ^^^ |
| 19:37.25 | Qwell | kernel version? |
| 19:37.35 | [TK]D-Fender | something.something.57 |
| 19:37.40 | [TK]D-Fender | "ish" |
| 19:37.46 | [TK]D-Fender | don't remeber the fractions. |
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| 19:38.31 | TomCat2 | I did find though that I was better off getting the o'reilly book and going straight for Asterisk 10.7.x on Centos 6.3. If it's any indication, after fussing with it over a weekend, I can pretty confidently install a fresh OS and fresh Asterisk in well under 30 mins... no significant prior Asterisk experience |
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| 19:38.56 | echo083 | TomCat2, cool i didn't now there was such books |
| 19:39.04 | [TK]D-Fender | ~book |
| 19:39.04 | infobot | Asterisk: The Definitive Guide, 3rd Edition (ISBN 0-596-51734-3) available at http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596517342 - Asterisk: The Definitive Guide is released under a Creative Commons License (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/us/) and is available for reading online at http://www.asteriskdocs.org/ or see ~buybook |
| 19:39.07 | TomCat2 | the time spent with FreePBX was nice in order to be able to see my flowRoute service working - but really didn't add much value to my overall knowledge of the product |
| 19:39.09 | echo083 | TomCat2, i'll take the ebook on amazon |
| 19:39.10 | iulhk | can i execute an AGI on mwi (message waiting indicator ) ? |
| 19:39.18 | [TK]D-Fender | iulhk, No |
| 19:39.25 | [TK]D-Fender | iulhk, AGI is a DIALPLAN APP |
| 19:39.26 | TomCat2 | yeah - I got the Kindle book |
| 19:39.36 | [TK]D-Fender | iulhk, MWI = some event in a call |
| 19:39.59 | Qwell | outside of a call |
| 19:40.22 | [TK]D-Fender | iulhk, You could perhaps try to originate a channel hooking the MWI somehow... but that's ugly at best and might likely require hacking the source. |
| 19:40.31 | [TK]D-Fender | yeah, outside. |
| 19:40.35 | [TK]D-Fender | bleh... |
| 19:40.48 | TomCat2 | the book will walk you through the entire process of checking out from SVN and building... it shows the instruction for installing 1.8, but it's easily applicable to 10.7.x |
| 19:41.43 | TomCat2 | the only big difference is really making sure you install sqlite and sqlite-devel - simple difference to your yum update command |
| 19:41.56 | echo083 | TomCat2, 1.8 and 10.7.x there is such a big difference between the stable and the latest release ? |
| 19:42.35 | TomCat2 | there is rarely a reason to install the 'latest' instead of the stable supported release... leave that to those who are contributing to the code base or helping to test |
| 19:42.47 | echo083 | TomCat2, ok ! |
| 19:43.01 | drmessano | If you're running FreePBX, the difference isn't anything. You're not coding the dialplan, and dialtone is dialtone |
| 19:43.11 | drmessano | So 10 or 1.8, eh.. whatev |
| 19:43.20 | TomCat2 | cutting edge is cool - bleeding edge is not for new learners |
| 19:43.31 | drmessano | 10 isn't either of those |
| 19:44.00 | drmessano | 1.8 is an LTS release. 10 is current. |
| 19:44.16 | drmessano | I should say |
| 19:44.21 | drmessano | 1.8 is an LTS release. 10 is latest. |
| 19:44.29 | echo083 | THANKS EVERYONE who give me tips and information i'm off to try Freepbx and AsteriskNow distribution ;) |
| 19:44.33 | pigpen | Digium states, unless you must have a feature that 10 only has, run 1.8. |
| 19:44.44 | pigpen | I, need T.38 Gateway: I run 10. |
| 19:45.06 | drmessano | LOL |
| 19:45.11 | drmessano | Unless it's google voice you need |
| 19:45.12 | pigpen | but no freepbx or other crap. |
| 19:45.16 | pigpen | heh. |
| 19:45.44 | TomCat2 | I chose 10 as I'm not opposed to upgrading to 11 LTS some time during the 1 year window in 2013 |
| 19:45.45 | drmessano | Which works in 1.8 and not in 10 |
| 19:46.11 | jpsharp | I use google voice in 10.something. |
| 19:46.23 | drmessano | 10.0 something? |
| 19:46.25 | pigpen | ah, good to know. I havn't had a real reason to dig into google voice. The voicemail to txt is neat, but I have found to be unreliable with others. |
| 19:46.30 | pigpen | So I pay for a transcription service. |
| 19:46.55 | jpsharp | drmessano: 10.3.1 |
| 19:47.02 | jpsharp | Had to log into the machine to find out. |
| 19:47.28 | drmessano | Incoming and outgoing calls? |
| 19:47.32 | jpsharp | Yep. |
| 19:48.02 | TomCat2 | ah and I was mistaken - I installed 10.6.0 - 10.7.0 is the beta |
| 19:48.04 | drmessano | Unless they fixed it.. It was broken after a 10.0 RC, I do believe.. |
| 19:48.13 | drmessano | and didnt work for some time |
| 19:48.18 | TomCat2 | 10.6.1 is the most recent supported release |
| 19:48.45 | jpsharp | I've used it extensively over the past few weeks so I could record my discussions with bill collectors. |
| 19:49.00 | drmessano | Fkn bill collectors |
| 19:49.02 | drmessano | Yeah |
| 19:49.13 | jpsharp | Which, it seems, was exceptionally useful on one occasion. |
| 19:49.50 | drmessano | I am going to blow out 1.8 at home and try 10 again. I want to play with SMS, but damn GV was broken when I tried it |
| 19:49.58 | jpsharp | "I'm sorry, sir, but we have no record of that..." "Let me play the recording if your manager agreeing to it." "Oh, here it is." |
| 19:50.47 | drmessano | I had an argument today over a letter I sent contesting a doctor bill.. Thats what I get for not sending it certified. Amazing how shit gets lost |
| 19:50.56 | jpsharp | "lost" |
| 19:53.04 | drmessano | Amazing what happens when you tell a doctor "The level of care provided was not consistent with the symptoms presented, and I request the coding changed and billing adjusted" instead of "Oh god, please, I will pay you when I can oh dear sir".. |
| 19:53.43 | drmessano | Suddenly things get lost and they are offloading it to their strongarm enforcer of a collections agency |
| 19:54.27 | jpsharp | That's what the screaming monkeys of Asterisk is for. |
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| 19:55.32 | drmessano | In this case, I was glad they called. Got to reiterate my dispute |
| 19:55.52 | drmessano | Told them, I will pay half.. But thats all. |
| 19:55.52 | jpsharp | I had one collector years ago that was calling so often that sometimes the answering machine would be recording their message and another agent would be calling over call waiting. |
| 19:55.59 | drmessano | Jeez |
| 19:56.45 | jpsharp | But it seems that the ones I've dealt with lately have been reasonable. Mostly because I want to give them money. |
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| 19:57.53 | drmessano | I forgot to make a car payment once and I had a guy call me from the bank. I told him I didn't want to pay over the phone, because I didn't initiate the call, but I would be glad to mail a check in. He told me if I didn't pay over the phone, he was calling a tow truck to get my car |
| 19:58.08 | drmessano | Went to the bank the next day and moved all my checking and savings from them |
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| 19:59.29 | jpsharp | I hope you made it clear as to why. |
| 20:01.27 | drmessano | Oh, absolutely. Funny thing was, I only moved my checking and savings there because they had my auto loan and it made it all convenient |
| 20:02.30 | jpsharp | I made sure that I expressed by displeasure and disgust with Bank of America when I fired them. |
| 20:03.07 | drmessano | BoA is terrible. Worse than Suntrust, I think |
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| 20:03.33 | jpsharp | Yep. Went back to USAA. |
| 20:03.51 | drmessano | OMG... |
| 20:03.57 | drmessano | You actually LEFT USAA? |
| 20:12.21 | jpsharp | Yeah, when I moved away from San Antonio in 1998. |
| 20:12.44 | pigpen | Fyi, it is still there. |
| 20:12.48 | pigpen | (San Antonio) |
| 20:13.02 | jpsharp | Yep. Still on Fredricksberg Rd. |
| 20:13.12 | pigpen | looks SSE 20 miles. |
| 20:13.41 | pigpen | Heh, IH10, Fredericksburg Road and More! (that is one big complex) |
| 20:13.59 | jpsharp | Indeed it is. |
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| 20:14.52 | drmessano | Ah |
| 20:15.28 | drmessano | I couldn't imagine leaving USAA now. Low rates and they were awesome when I had an accident |
| 20:15.40 | jpsharp | Yep, me either. |
| 20:16.38 | drmessano | I have had to convince people who are eligible to check into it..since they expanded to family of veterans, etc |
| 20:16.39 | jpsharp | I should have known better and realized I had it good when they gave me full coverage on a Mustang when I was 19 for $600/bi annualy. |
| 20:16.47 | pigpen | Yeah, USAA is good. Back when the black mold thing was at it's high, they wouldn't cover my new construction house, so I went with State Farm. Never turned back. |
| 20:17.33 | pigpen | In my case, smaller town, and the agency I use is employed with people I have know for 25+ years. |
| 20:17.47 | jpsharp | drmessano: They did that years ago. I'm a member because my mother was a member and she's a member because her dad was a Lt Col in the Army. |
| 20:18.34 | jpsharp | hasn't served a day in the armed forces, unless you count CAP. |
| 20:19.54 | jpsharp | And now my daughter is a member too. |
| 20:21.31 | drmessano | Well, my father wasn't eligible until 2009 because he wasn't active and didn't retire from any of the armed forces. But they expanded that to include anyone that had served at any time |
| 20:21.44 | drmessano | active or |
| 20:22.14 | jpsharp | Ah, okay. My grandfather retired from the army after his 20. |
| 20:22.30 | drmessano | My father was kicked out of the marines |
| 20:22.32 | drmessano | lol |
| 20:22.59 | jpsharp | doh |
| 20:23.00 | drmessano | So he didn't even have an honorable discharge |
| 20:23.17 | drmessano | So he had to wait until the "if you ever served" thing |
| 20:23.19 | drmessano | lol |
| 20:24.26 | jpsharp | I wonder if USAA would have insured my Unimog. |
| 20:24.46 | drmessano | My second wife had it because her dad is active military.. so I got it from her, and kept it after we split. I was almost bumped down to the second tier of coverage because I had lost my eligibility |
| 20:25.44 | Qwell | drmessano: so, divorce from eligible member causes loss of eligibility? |
| 20:26.10 | Qwell | are parents given eligibility through their children? |
| 20:26.44 | drmessano | Eligility for "FULL" membership or something like that. They strip away some of the services you can have. They wont CANCEL any of them, but you lose rights to insurance and whatnot |
| 20:27.11 | drmessano | Not sure about child to parent |
| 20:27.22 | Qwell | I doubt I'm eligible. >.> |
| 20:27.28 | Qwell | I may have been at one time though. :( |
| 20:28.10 | drmessano | Strangely enough, you divorce from your eligibilty and they bump you down.. but your father is eligible for a 3 year stint in the marines that he was kicked from and they give you the red carpet |
| 20:28.22 | drmessano | Divorce is evil |
| 20:29.03 | jpsharp | General banking is available to anyone. Extra banking features like remote deposit are only available to full members. |
| 20:29.11 | drmessano | Yes |
| 20:29.31 | jpsharp | Sure beats having to mail in checks to deposit them. |
| 20:30.23 | drmessano | I love it.. I love that you can use a UPS store now too |
| 20:30.45 | drmessano | Keep me from paying for a money order if I have a large wad of ill-gotten cash |
| 20:30.59 | Qwell | small wad |
| 20:31.06 | Qwell | money orders are limited to like $500 |
| 20:31.07 | jpsharp | You can do cash deposits at the UPS store? |
| 20:31.21 | drmessano | Yes. That's what I was told |
| 20:31.28 | drmessano | I need to try it |
| 20:31.32 | jpsharp | Me too. |
| 20:31.47 | drmessano | Thats the ONE single downside to USAA.. Cash |
| 20:32.06 | Qwell | don't they do ATM reimbursement? |
| 20:32.08 | jpsharp | Yes. |
| 20:32.10 | drmessano | Yes they do |
| 20:32.16 | jpsharp | up to $15/mo |
| 20:32.18 | drmessano | !!!! |
| 20:32.19 | Qwell | so why would you have to mail checks/cash? |
| 20:32.28 | drmessano | If someone gives you cash for something |
| 20:32.36 | Qwell | so go to the ATM and deposit it |
| 20:32.37 | drmessano | Gotta deposit it |
| 20:32.43 | drmessano | Can do that |
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| 20:32.48 | drmessano | Sorry |
| 20:32.51 | drmessano | CANT do that |
| 20:32.55 | Qwell | why not? |
| 20:33.04 | jpsharp | ATM deposits are usually only for the bank who owns the ATM. |
| 20:33.08 | drmessano | ^^ |
| 20:33.16 | Qwell | hmm, I suppose so |
| 20:33.37 | jpsharp | I'll have to call em later and ask about cash deposits at UPS. |
| 20:33.45 | jpsharp | Cause that's the only hangup I have. |
| 20:33.53 | drmessano | The ATM reimbursement rocks tho. I have had a few occasions where I was on the road and needed some cash and didnt plan ahead for it. $4.95 ATM fee? No probs |
| 20:34.58 | drmessano | Usually it's those dialup ATMs |
| 20:35.10 | drmessano | With the modem speaker inside |
| 20:35.39 | drmessano | Who does that? Who makes it sound like you're dialing in to AOL when you just inserted your credit card? |
| 20:37.31 | drmessano | I remember when I had my accident, they called me more than my family did. |
| 20:38.09 | drmessano | "Hi.. Yep, Im ok. Nah, I dont need anything. Ok, love you too" "Was that your mom?" "No, USAA :(" |
| 20:40.10 | Qwell | I wish my family called me less than USAA. |
| 20:40.17 | drmessano | LOL |
| 20:41.03 | drmessano | To be fair, I rarely talk to my parents, but USAA did call an awful lot to check up on me |
| 20:41.30 | drmessano | Maybe it was little like Leonards hugging machine, but so what |
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| 20:58.21 | pyther | Hello. I am trying to set up a very simple asterisk server, however asterisks is not listening on port 5060. I can't figure out what is wrong and the logs aren't telling me anything. I'm an asteriks noob, so forgive me if I'm over looking something |
| 20:59.16 | kresp0 | pyther: try as root: "netstat -putan | grep 5060" to see what is listening on that port (if any) |
| 20:59.50 | pyther | kresp0: no output, that is the command I've been using to test |
| 21:01.54 | malcolmd | see if asterisk is running; see if chan_sip.so is loaded: module load chan_sip.so from the asterisk cli |
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| 21:02.13 | kresp0 | pyther: on the asterisk console: "sip show settings" and see if the bindaddress is ok |
| 21:02.25 | malcolmd | also check udpbindaddr in sip.conf to see...right ^^ |
| 21:02.28 | pyther | No such command 'sip show settings' (type 'core show help sip show' for other possible commands) |
| 21:03.00 | kresp0 | what version of asterisk are u using pyther? |
| 21:03.28 | pyther | Asterisk 10.5.1 |
| 21:04.05 | kresp0 | module load chan_sip.so |
| 21:04.54 | pyther | that did the trick, how can I make it automatically load chan_sip.so? |
| 21:05.26 | kresp0 | not sure, I guess it should work automatically from now |
| 21:05.27 | kresp0 | try it |
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| 21:06.05 | pyther | is there a command to save changes, like commit? |
| 21:06.26 | pyther | I restarted and it didn't reload it |
| 21:06.31 | kresp0 | :/ |
| 21:07.11 | kresp0 | pyther: modules.conf |
| 21:08.17 | pyther | is there a good getting started guide? |
| 21:08.24 | kresp0 | asteriskdocs.org |
| 21:08.29 | drmessano | ~book |
| 21:08.30 | infobot | Asterisk: The Definitive Guide, 3rd Edition (ISBN 0-596-51734-3) available at http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596517342 - Asterisk: The Definitive Guide is released under a Creative Commons License (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/us/) and is available for reading online at http://www.asteriskdocs.org/ or see ~buybook |
| 21:08.45 | kresp0 | nice drmessano :) |
| 21:09.45 | pyther | thanks, should give me a starting point |
| 21:20.25 | Katty | leifmadsen: !!!! |
| 21:20.32 | Katty | leifmadsen: CONGRATS! |
| 21:20.37 | drmessano | ? |
| 21:20.44 | Katty | leifmadsen: have names been picked yet? |
| 21:20.46 | Katty | leifmadsen: COLORS?! |
| 21:20.50 | drmessano | WHOA |
| 21:20.53 | Katty | leifmadsen: have you started picking out toys?! |
| 21:20.57 | leifmadsen | lol |
| 21:21.00 | leifmadsen | no :) |
| 21:21.01 | drmessano | Congrats |
| 21:21.04 | leifmadsen | names are going to be the end of us |
| 21:21.06 | Katty | aww :< |
| 21:21.14 | Katty | well congrats just the same (= |
| 21:21.30 | leifmadsen | thanks! |
| 21:21.32 | drmessano | I suggest a nice nordic name like Erik or Elga |
| 21:21.38 | leifmadsen | we have a crib and stroller potentially picked out :D |
| 21:21.45 | Katty | woot! |
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| 21:22.43 | LIIT | Evening all. Is there any other place than rtp.conf I should chose which ports I use for SIP ? (+ 5060) |
| 21:23.16 | leifmadsen | well.... |
| 21:23.16 | leifmadsen | rtp.conf is for RTP |
| 21:23.20 | leifmadsen | which is a separate protocol from SIP |
| 21:23.27 | leifmadsen | I suggest using sip.conf for SIP port settings |
| 21:23.51 | leifmadsen | RTP just carries the audio; SIP sets up the call |
| 21:24.40 | pyther | I'm getting "*** Failed to load module chan_sip.so - Required |
| 21:24.50 | LIIT | Ahhh, I must have misunderstood the instructions in the Asterisk book. Thanks :-) |
| 21:25.07 | pyther | astmoddir => /usr/lib/asterisk/modules is set in asterisk.conf and the module does exist in that path |
| 21:25.54 | drmessano | pyther: permissions? |
| 21:26.31 | leifmadsen | or not built for the same asterisk binary |
| 21:28.01 | pyther | it worked just a minute ago :-/ |
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| 21:37.39 | pyther | Is there anyways to get more debugging info on why it won't load the module? |
| 21:41.15 | jpsharp | Try to load it from the console and see if it throws errors. |
| 21:44.16 | pyther | jpsharp: now its loading but not binding :-/ |
| 21:44.31 | pyther | i lied |
| 21:45.02 | pyther | I think I was starting the server as user asterisk but connecting to the console as root |
| 21:47.23 | pyther | so I can register using ekiga using localhost, but if I try to use my ip address or hostname it fails |
| 21:47.48 | pyther | only config I've changed has been this https://wiki.asterisk.org/wiki/display/AST/Creating+SIP+Accounts |
| 21:48.19 | pyther | udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:5060 0.0.0.0:* 29965/asterisk |
| 21:50.22 | pyther | no firewall |
| 21:51.58 | jpsharp | You're running the softphone and asterisk on the same machine? |
| 21:52.04 | pyther | yes |
| 21:52.51 | jpsharp | That's bad. They'll stomp all over each other unless you change the SIP port on one of them. |
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| 21:54.03 | pyther | ahh let me fix that then |
| 22:00.38 | LIIT | Anyone familiar with the Dialog 4425 (Aastra / Ericsson) phone ? |
| 22:05.05 | pyther | No such command 'dialplan reload' (type 'core show help dialplan reload' for other possible commands) |
| 22:05.15 | pyther | google isn't very helpful on that one |
| 22:07.09 | [TK]D-Fender | because the syntax varies between versions |
| 22:07.21 | [TK]D-Fender | just typing HELP or hitting <tab> ..... |
| 22:07.50 | pyther | ok cool, tab, nice :D |
| 22:17.10 | pyther | [TK]D-Fender: any idea what the command might be for 10.5? I just have set show and debug |
| 22:17.17 | pyther | nothing that would indicate a reload |
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| 22:40.01 | vastina | [TK]D-Fender: speaking of syntactical changes, how long do you think it would take to update all the configs through some stream edits piped through some grooming regex? |
| 22:40.14 | vastina | from say 1.4 => 1.8 |
| 22:40.40 | [TK]D-Fender | The time youre likely to waste on a parser plus validation is far worse then just doing the work. |
| 22:40.42 | vastina | because the developers behind the frontend we're using are really taking their sweet a$$ time |
| 22:41.22 | vastina | meh, that made a bit more sympathetic to our developers |
| 22:41.26 | [TK]D-Fender | huge amounts of work to correct moderate amounts of work = NO SMRT |
| 22:44.36 | vastina | understood |
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