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| 01:41.58 | robert_ | so we're trying to pass CALLER ID information, but the name isn't coming through :/ |
| 01:42.15 | WIMPy | Where |
| 01:42.17 | WIMPy | ? |
| 01:42.21 | [TK]D-Fender | Pass to whom? |
| 01:42.35 | robert_ | to the phone system, lol |
| 01:42.45 | WIMPy | What phone system? |
| 01:42.50 | WIMPy | Connected how? |
| 01:43.50 | robert_ | connected via flowroute |
| 01:44.06 | robert_ | I'm trying to Set(CALLERID(name)=nnn) |
| 01:44.26 | WIMPy | 1. are you sure they accept names? |
| 01:44.37 | WIMPy | 2. Where does it go from flowroute? |
| 01:44.58 | robert_ | to the telephone network? |
| 01:45.09 | [TK]D-Fender | Almost nobody lets you set the name to the PSTN. |
| 01:45.16 | WIMPy | That doen't support names. |
| 01:45.55 | WIMPy | Although some PBXs send names as UUS via the PSTN. |
| 01:46.51 | robert_ | [from flowroute.com] We transmit Caller-ID based on the presence of one of the following header fields in order of preference: "P-Asserted-Identity", "Remote-Party-ID" or "From:". |
| 01:47.13 | robert_ | so we have to set Remote-Party-ID then? |
| 01:47.50 | WIMPy | Where does it say anything about names in there? |
| 01:48.04 | robert_ | caller id includes name information? |
| 01:48.14 | robert_ | it's the name and number of the calling party? |
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| 03:50.07 | igcewieling | no. callerid does not automatically mean name. |
| 03:50.43 | igcewieling | Even if your provider allowed you to transmit name, the telephone company at the destination WILL ignore any name info provided with the call. |
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| 05:08.59 | mnathani | Whats the best value product in the single FXO/FXS |
| 05:09.13 | mnathani | port area |
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| 07:13.07 | *** topic/#asterisk is #asterisk The Open Source PBX and Telephony Platform (asterisk.org) -=- Asterisk 11.2.1 (2013/01/22), 10.12.1 (2013/01/22), 1.8.20.1 (2013/01/22), DAHDI-linux 2.6.1 (2012/04/20), DAHDI-tools 2.6.1 (2012/04/20), libpri 1.4.14 (2012/12/20) -=- Visit the official Asterisk wiki: wiki.asterisk.org |
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| 09:49.17 | linocisco | hi all |
| 09:49.55 | linocisco | I want to know which opensource hotel software is best to be integrated with asterisk |
| 09:51.23 | archetech | ask a hotel forum |
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| 10:00.59 | linocisco | I want to know which opensource hotel software is best to be integrated with asterisk |
| 10:01.33 | linocisco | archetech, they dont know which one is compatible is asterisk |
| 10:01.41 | linocisco | archetech, they dont know which one is compatible with asterisk |
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| 10:08.44 | linocisco | archetech, they dont know which one is compatible with asterisk |
| 10:14.11 | archetech | there are thousands of different places to use asterisk |
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| 11:47.07 | Neptu | Im sending this to asterisk manager: Action: login\r\nUsername: admin\r\nSecret: xxxx\r\n\r\n\r\nAction: Logoff\r\n\r\n and Im getting a {"Message": "Missing action in request", "Response": "Error", "datetime": "2013-03-16 12:43:29.494181"} |
| 11:47.24 | Neptu | the last format is just my data from ther esponse parsed |
| 11:47.42 | Neptu | but as you can see is a Response Error and a Missing action in request |
| 11:48.04 | Neptu | not so sure if I need to add something more into the login action and logout |
| 11:48.59 | Neptu | I get a {"Message": "Authentication accepted", "Response": "Success", "datetime": "2013-03-16 12:43:29.494022"} |
| 11:49.06 | Neptu | so the login should be ok |
| 11:51.20 | Neptu | also will be interested to know if i coud add async on the login Action |
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| 11:59.14 | Neptu | mmmmm quite anoying to have messages i can not control... lets start testing the calls |
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| 12:02.56 | Neptu | found the error |
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| 12:28.03 | Neptu | mmmmmm i have a problem i can not see the calls im doing wrong on the asterisk AMI |
| 12:28.11 | Neptu | do you know what could be re reason? |
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| 15:07.43 | Adam0928 | Hello all |
| 15:08.05 | Adam0928 | I am looking for a multi-tenant module for freepbx |
| 15:08.18 | Adam0928 | can anyone help me? |
| 15:09.07 | [TK]D-Fender | There is none. |
| 15:09.17 | Adam0928 | thats what i thought |
| 15:09.31 | [TK]D-Fender | FreePBX is not designed for multi-tenant |
| 15:09.48 | Adam0928 | how does one begin the task of multitenanting an asterisk server |
| 15:10.49 | [TK]D-Fender | Asterisk? that's easy. |
| 15:11.08 | [TK]D-Fender | It's your dialplan.. do whatever you want |
| 15:11.35 | Adam0928 | yea, i am just using freepbx cuz i like the ease of it and i am not that great with writing the dialplans |
| 15:13.14 | Adam0928 | i am learning thru experimentation so i would like something that works so i can see how it happens to understand it better |
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| 15:13.54 | [TK]D-Fender | "Something that works" is as simple as having 2 contexts and some devices pointed to one, and the others to the other |
| 15:14.14 | [TK]D-Fender | there's TWo worth of "multi-tenant" |
| 15:14.45 | Adam0928 | i'm not sure what you mean |
| 15:15.25 | [TK]D-Fender | You don't know what a dialplan context is? |
| 15:15.45 | Adam0928 | i get that, but i havent really figured out how to use some of the more complex functions of the dialplans and i dont feel comfortable writing them all myself |
| 15:15.55 | Adam0928 | i know what a dialplan context is |
| 15:16.02 | [TK]D-Fender | Do you need complex functions? |
| 15:16.06 | Adam0928 | yes |
| 15:16.09 | [TK]D-Fender | like? |
| 15:16.29 | Adam0928 | a full featured PBX |
| 15:16.34 | [TK]D-Fender | that doesn't say anything |
| 15:16.41 | Adam0928 | ok it does |
| 15:17.00 | Adam0928 | i didnt come here to argue |
| 15:17.05 | [TK]D-Fender | that doesn't actually define any specific functions as being "complex" |
| 15:17.06 | Adam0928 | i came looking for help |
| 15:17.12 | Adam0928 | shut |
| 15:17.15 | Adam0928 | up |
| 15:17.16 | Adam0928 | please |
| 15:17.37 | [TK]D-Fender | We can answer specific questions if you have them |
| 15:17.40 | Adam0928 | you are just being counter-productive |
| 15:18.16 | Adam0928 | i want to know if there are any multitenant solutions as in configuration via gui |
| 15:18.45 | [TK]D-Fender | Sure : ScopServ , Switchvox (IIRC has a version supporting it), etc |
| 15:19.35 | Adam0928 | that works with asterisk |
| 15:19.48 | [TK]D-Fender | [11:18][TK]D-FenderSure : ScopServ , Switchvox (IIRC has a version supporting it), etc <- |
| 15:19.55 | Adam0928 | to create these dialplan contexts that you speak of |
| 15:20.10 | Adam0928 | i am looking at that now |
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| 15:41.28 | Adam0928 | i can't install a completely new iso |
| 15:41.59 | Adam0928 | i would have to compile it from source |
| 15:42.35 | [TK]D-Fender | Noone I've every heard of offers that |
| 15:43.08 | Adam0928 | so basically i would need a new solution that i can install from a cd |
| 15:43.11 | Adam0928 | on my server |
| 15:43.43 | [TK]D-Fender | Not sure I follow you there... |
| 15:43.49 | Adam0928 | basically i have asterisk 1.8 installed on a hosted machine |
| 15:44.06 | Adam0928 | i installed it from CentOS command line |
| 15:44.24 | [TK]D-Fender | There is no downloadable add-on for what you're apparently restricting yourself to so far |
| 15:44.56 | Adam0928 | well i just didnt have much luck installing a Ditro version on KVM |
| 15:45.23 | Adam0928 | i dont know that i know enough to install a whole new solution |
| 15:45.29 | Adam0928 | from scratch |
| 15:46.04 | Adam0928 | i am pretty novice with asterisk, but i have been in the telephony business for 15 years |
| 15:46.22 | Adam0928 | i thought i could learn something new |
| 15:47.22 | [TK]D-Fender | What it takes to manage a VoIP solution on hosted machines is an entirely different ball-game |
| 15:47.36 | Adam0928 | well thats sorta what i am seeking |
| 15:47.44 | Adam0928 | is how to get started in that ball game |
| 15:48.00 | Adam0928 | i setup asterisk to do what i want for my company |
| 15:48.18 | Adam0928 | and then i hosted it and want to add more companies to the machine |
| 15:48.57 | Adam0928 | i am barely using the machine for my needs |
| 15:51.20 | Adam0928 | what does it take? |
| 15:51.49 | Adam0928 | are there any places one would start researching something like that |
| 15:51.54 | [TK]D-Fender | depends how far you are loking to go. |
| 15:52.04 | [TK]D-Fender | And what you base your solution on. |
| 15:52.23 | [TK]D-Fender | This isn't a field with a lot of guides available. |
| 15:52.37 | [TK]D-Fender | All of the solutions are commercial or DIY |
| 15:52.38 | Adam0928 | i guess thats why i am here.. |
| 15:52.49 | Adam0928 | commercial is ok |
| 15:53.04 | Adam0928 | i am looking to go as far as it takes me |
| 15:53.16 | [TK]D-Fender | The forget your current host and look at what it takes to run one of those commercial solutions |
| 15:53.33 | Adam0928 | i want to create a few tenants with a few users each |
| 15:54.00 | Adam0928 | why forget my current host? |
| 15:54.24 | [TK]D-Fender | Because none of the commercial solutions are made to drop onto it AFAIK |
| 15:54.33 | [TK]D-Fender | So the other recourse is DIY |
| 15:54.48 | WIMPy | thinks the muti-tennant part is the easy part. |
| 15:55.17 | Adam0928 | you mean drop onto asterisk |
| 15:56.04 | [TK]D-Fender | All of the commecial ones are COMPLETE ISO's |
| 15:56.23 | Adam0928 | right... |
| 15:56.29 | Adam0928 | so if i were to DIY |
| 15:56.35 | [TK]D-Fender | ~book |
| 15:56.36 | infobot | Asterisk: The Definitive Guide, 3rd Edition (ISBN 0-596-51734-3) available at http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596517342 - Asterisk: The Definitive Guide is released under a Creative Commons License (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/us/) and is available for reading online at http://www.asteriskdocs.org/ or see ~buybook |
| 15:56.37 | [TK]D-Fender | ^^^ |
| 15:56.50 | Adam0928 | i have the book |
| 15:56.57 | [TK]D-Fender | Even better... |
| 15:57.28 | Adam0928 | i just wanted to know if there were any GUI's out there that helped the setup |
| 15:57.52 | Adam0928 | or if someone wanted to share some insight on how they accomplished it doing it themselves |
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| 15:58.24 | [TK]D-Fender | [11:57]Adam0928i just wanted to know if there were any GUI's out there that helped the setup <- there is no GUI to help. There are GUI's that do the whole job. We just covered that. |
| 15:58.43 | file | wobbles |
| 15:58.48 | [TK]D-Fender | Adam0928: And I already told you what it takes to do it yourself |
| 15:59.04 | Adam0928 | did you? |
| 15:59.05 | [TK]D-Fender | Adam0928: And you got stuck at the part of saying that dialplan is complex. |
| 15:59.15 | [TK]D-Fender | Adam0928: I did |
| 15:59.31 | Adam0928 | or were you being smug |
| 15:59.43 | [TK]D-Fender | [11:13][TK]D-Fender"Something that works" is as simple as having 2 contexts and some devices pointed to one, and the others to the other |
| 15:59.46 | [TK]D-Fender | That is LITERAL |
| 15:59.58 | Adam0928 | and just providing me an answer to a question that you dont really know the answer to? |
| 16:00.18 | [TK]D-Fender | \1 dialplan context. Some devices use THAT. another context... some devices us THAT instead |
| 16:00.39 | Adam0928 | ok thank you for your help |
| 16:01.09 | [TK]D-Fender | Adam0928: You are the newb here. I was using ScopServ's commercial multi-tennant solution from 2005 until last year. I was using Asterisk solo BEFORE then |
| 16:01.16 | Adam0928 | i am new forgive me for my stupidity |
| 16:02.16 | [TK]D-Fender | What makes up "multi-tenant" is that what one guy dials doesn't do what it does for the OTHER guy. |
| 16:02.32 | Adam0928 | i get that you answered my question but its obvious that i have learning to do and you are kind of being a stick in the mud |
| 16:02.33 | [TK]D-Fender | That is as simple as putting each group in their own contexts. |
| 16:02.59 | [TK]D-Fender | No, you've just taken a blid cheap shot saying "you don't actually know what you're talking about" |
| 16:03.02 | [TK]D-Fender | blind* |
| 16:03.11 | Adam0928 | i need help, i am asking for it |
| 16:03.26 | [TK]D-Fender | You asked for 10 flavours of "easy" and had to be told 10 times what the playing field offers |
| 16:03.39 | [TK]D-Fender | there is no easy-drop in for your hosted solution. |
| 16:03.42 | [TK]D-Fender | 1 down. |
| 16:03.49 | Adam0928 | dude, stop |
| 16:04.02 | [TK]D-Fender | What can we help you with next? |
| 16:04.09 | Adam0928 | i am asking for help from a group of people that know more than i do |
| 16:04.39 | Adam0928 | i am asking questions that are helping me understand what i need to do and learn in order to get what i need accomplished |
| 16:04.49 | [TK]D-Fender | So far there's no drop in for your current. You know of 2 now that you could install on a different solution. DIY is possible and you just have to know a little Asterisk. |
| 16:05.13 | [TK]D-Fender | What you need to learn? Dialplan contexts. VM contexts. Basic Asterisk. |
| 16:05.18 | Adam0928 | i ask questions as if i dont know anything because i dont want people to assume that i may know something that i dont |
| 16:05.38 | [TK]D-Fender | Thre is nothing is specifically defines "multi-tennent" in Asterisk. |
| 16:05.44 | [TK]D-Fender | It is an abstractt concept |
| 16:05.48 | Adam0928 | i just want real answers is all |
| 16:06.07 | Adam0928 | and you are being informative now |
| 16:06.25 | Adam0928 | multitenant is abstract |
| 16:06.42 | [TK]D-Fender | Start with real questions then.If you have the book you'd already see that tehre is nothing about "multi-tenant" in there |
| 16:06.48 | [TK]D-Fender | there is no special config file. |
| 16:06.51 | lanning | "a little Asterisk", is that like "a little breather"? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EB4vJa8mmXg |
| 16:07.07 | Adam0928 | i realize that, which is what brought me here |
| 16:07.43 | [TK]D-Fender | So it's not in the book, because it isn't a "feature", it's an "outcome" |
| 16:07.55 | Adam0928 | i also understand that |
| 16:08.04 | [TK]D-Fender | "easy" solution = pretty much only ISO. Everything else = learning Asterisk |
| 16:08.09 | Adam0928 | how do i end up with that outcome |
| 16:08.17 | Adam0928 | i am learning asterisk |
| 16:08.27 | [TK]D-Fender | Set up your dialplans, devices, voicemail, etc so that they are separate |
| 16:08.28 | Adam0928 | which is why i need help with this |
| 16:10.01 | Adam0928 | ok so i can create the conf files with the tenants name |
| 16:10.30 | [TK]D-Fender | Asterisk config files have specific names already. |
| 16:10.31 | Adam0928 | and then use the main files to point to those |
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| 16:10.42 | Adam0928 | i know that. |
| 16:10.45 | [TK]D-Fender | "INCLUDE" is the word you seem to be looking for |
| 16:10.52 | [TK]D-Fender | And yes, you can have the main INCLUDE others |
| 16:10.58 | Adam0928 | dude |
| 16:11.07 | Adam0928 | why must you be like that |
| 16:11.11 | [TK]D-Fender | If you want them separate for visibility purposes |
| 16:11.19 | Adam0928 | you are a chatroom jerk |
| 16:11.35 | Adam0928 | i bet if we were sitting in a room together you wouldnt be nearly this smug |
| 16:11.45 | [TK]D-Fender | You are being over-sensitive and demanding of assistance and being vague. |
| 16:11.54 | Adam0928 | include is the word i was looking for asshole |
| 16:11.55 | WIMPy | And you are very unspecific. |
| 16:12.01 | [TK]D-Fender | Usually those who are looking for help come in a bit more humble and less entitled. |
| 16:12.09 | [TK]D-Fender | While telling us we don't know what we're talking about. |
| 16:12.13 | Adam0928 | i was humble by asking |
| 16:12.34 | Adam0928 | what i was looking for and you started talking down to me like your the GOD of this chatroom |
| 16:12.41 | Adam0928 | stop answering me then retard |
| 16:12.53 | Adam0928 | i didnt ask you to help me |
| 16:13.13 | Adam0928 | i wasnt like hey fender treat me like an idiot for our entire convo |
| 16:13.30 | Adam0928 | stop refering to yourself as US and WE |
| 16:14.15 | WIMPy | Valid point. |
| 16:14.29 | WIMPy | But it's not going to get you any answers. |
| 16:14.35 | Adam0928 | i realize that |
| 16:15.25 | Adam0928 | i would like to know how someone else implimented custom context to create a multitenant asterisk server |
| 16:15.44 | Adam0928 | "this is how i did it..." |
| 16:15.52 | [TK]D-Fender | Adam0928: Every context is "custom". There is no magic |
| 16:16.05 | Adam0928 | i am trying to brain storm |
| 16:16.14 | [TK]D-Fender | Adam0928: I could set one up in about 2 minutes flat. 2 dialplan contexts. 2 VM contexts. That's it. |
| 16:16.27 | [TK]D-Fender | BOOM |
| 16:16.31 | Adam0928 | good work why dont you do that |
| 16:16.33 | WIMPy | You already got the answer: Seperate the users in to contexts. That's all. |
| 16:16.40 | lanning | Adam0928: it is a namespace problem |
| 16:16.48 | Adam0928 | and come back later when i've signed off |
| 16:16.50 | [TK]D-Fender | I have 10 people who can call each other , and another 10 people who can call each other and the 2 groups are uisolated. |
| 16:16.55 | WIMPy | There is nothing special. |
| 16:17.02 | lanning | just prifix all your context names with the tennant name |
| 16:17.07 | Adam0928 | i understand its not special |
| 16:17.15 | [TK]D-Fender | Doesn't even matter what you name the contexts |
| 16:17.19 | Adam0928 | lanning is awesome |
| 16:17.26 | WIMPy | So what else do you want to know? |
| 16:17.29 | Adam0928 | fender, please stop talking |
| 16:17.37 | [TK]D-Fender | Contex Name = irrelevant. |
| 16:18.26 | WIMPy | Seriousely? You think that a idea to create uniqe names is awesome? You could have come up with that idea yourself, coudn't you? |
| 16:18.45 | Adam0928 | i think its awesome that he just answered me |
| 16:18.57 | Adam0928 | without being a smartass and implying that i am an idiot |
| 16:19.10 | Adam0928 | i've already explained that i am an idiot |
| 16:19.26 | [TK]D-Fender | Adam0928: putting a tennent name as part of the context mane isn't a functional difference. |
| 16:19.42 | [TK]D-Fender | Adam0928: But if it makes you feel better about it... why not |
| 16:19.43 | WIMPy | You don't want to write Asterisk dialplans then. |
| 16:20.12 | Adam0928 | i just meant in terms of how i would organize the info |
| 16:20.14 | WIMPy | It's easier to read. But that's about it. |
| 16:20.33 | Adam0928 | i dont really want to but if i need to learn i will |
| 16:20.51 | Adam0928 | this is how i start learning |
| 16:21.11 | Adam0928 | but asking people who know more than i do questions and hope they dont talk to me like an idiot |
| 16:21.26 | WIMPy | Making Asterisk in to something like a PBX will be a lot of work. Seperating users is easy. |
| 16:21.34 | Adam0928 | instead of just answering the question |
| 16:22.17 | Adam0928 | i was hoping there was an easier solution but if not i will have to do it the hard way |
| 16:22.32 | [TK]D-Fender | Adam0928: How many times have you already been told there isn't? |
| 16:22.41 | Adam0928 | and if multitennant is my end-goal maybe there was something i needed to know |
| 16:22.53 | Adam0928 | 7 or 8 more times |
| 16:23.08 | WIMPy | I told you that it will be the easiest part. |
| 16:23.18 | Adam0928 | so is there an easy solution that i can install on top of freepbx |
| 16:23.31 | [TK]D-Fender | NO |
| 16:23.31 | Adam0928 | cuz i have asterisk functioning like a pbx right now |
| 16:23.46 | [TK]D-Fender | Which was the first question I immediately answered for you |
| 16:23.47 | Adam0928 | conferences ivrs moh |
| 16:24.02 | WIMPy | You don't want to mess with the internal of FreePBX for sure. DIY should be a lot easier. |
| 16:24.12 | [TK]D-Fender | [11:08]Adam0928I am looking for a multi-tenant module for freepbx [11:09][TK]D-FenderThere is none. [11:09]Adam0928thats what i thought |
| 16:24.13 | lanning | all the "free" pbx solutions built on asterisk are single tenant |
| 16:24.35 | [TK]D-Fender | Adam0928: FreePBX is a dead-end for this. |
| 16:24.36 | lanning | to do multi tenant, you will have to had code the dialplan |
| 16:24.46 | Adam0928 | WIMPy: i didnt think i could |
| 16:24.54 | igcewieling | Adam0928: Bicom PBXware works well for nulti-tennant |
| 16:25.09 | igcewieling | and multi-tennant too, that is what we use |
| 16:25.33 | [TK]D-Fender | igcewieling: Can it be installed on a KVM hosting solution? |
| 16:25.42 | [TK]D-Fender | igcewieling: igcewieling As a drop-in? |
| 16:25.51 | Adam0928 | thanks igcewieling |
| 16:25.58 | [TK]D-Fender | igcewieling: Because that is his other stated requirement |
| 16:26.12 | igcewieling | [TK]D-Fender: no idea. We use their ISO. They are not cheap, but they are a zillion times better trying to do FreePBX multi-tennant |
| 16:26.12 | Adam0928 | ignore fender, he is angry with the world for some reason |
| 16:26.16 | *** join/#asterisk pabelanger (~pabelange@asterisk/contributor-and-bug-marshal/pabelanger) |
| 16:26.16 | *** mode/#asterisk [+o pabelanger] by ChanServ |
| 16:26.27 | igcewieling | [TK]D-Fender: ah, is this a designed-to-fail thing? |
| 16:26.35 | [TK]D-Fender | igcewieling: Possibly.... |
| 16:26.45 | igcewieling | Adam0928: he gets that way when people try to do stupid stuff 8-) |
| 16:27.07 | Adam0928 | i'm sorry that i am not as smart as he is |
| 16:27.20 | [TK]D-Fender | igcewieling: So is pbxWARE something he can jsut drop into his current solution? |
| 16:27.25 | lanning | I would not run any PBX on a VM |
| 16:27.27 | Adam0928 | but thats how I (and a vast majority of others) learn, but fucking up a bunch of times |
| 16:27.39 | igcewieling | [TK]D-Fender: unlikely |
| 16:27.54 | lanning | you can't mix channels or run things like MoH |
| 16:28.09 | [TK]D-Fender | Adam0928: Well igcewieling seems to doubt that it can drop-in on what you've got, so add that to the list of others I've already given you |
| 16:28.10 | lanning | at least not reliably |
| 16:28.26 | Adam0928 | can i not see what he is typing? |
| 16:28.35 | Adam0928 | or ask him questions myself |
| 16:28.54 | igcewieling | [TK]D-Fender: I'm too lazy to scroll back and see what he has now, so I don't know if it will "drop in" but they expect to have the entire system to themselves. |
| 16:29.02 | Adam0928 | do you really need to relay his messages to me |
| 16:29.31 | Adam0928 | igcewieling you could talk to me |
| 16:29.35 | igcewieling | Adam0928: [TK]D-Fender can be abrasive, but he is seldom wrong |
| 16:29.43 | Adam0928 | i am posing the questions |
| 16:30.16 | Adam0928 | i am not doubting his knowledge on the matter |
| 16:30.22 | igcewieling | The questions must have been a while ago, all I see are statements. What is your question? |
| 16:30.55 | Adam0928 | yes, i am looking for guidance on how to start learning what i need to know to multitennant a hosted server |
| 16:31.17 | Adam0928 | is there anything open source or a diy guide to help me thru the process |
| 16:31.42 | [TK]D-Fender | Adam0928: There is no guide for multi-tennent. It is a concept |
| 16:31.59 | Adam0928 | a concept that has been implemented before |
| 16:32.07 | [TK]D-Fender | Adam0928: And is no different than putting the devices for on in their own set of contexts, and the other's in their own |
| 16:32.08 | igcewieling | Adam0928: none that I know of. Multi-tennant is HARD makes people a lot of money so most such solutions are commercial -- much like dialer software. |
| 16:32.11 | Adam0928 | i realize its a concept |
| 16:32.26 | Adam0928 | but i want to learn new things |
| 16:32.41 | WIMPy | Yes, abd you already know how to do it. Even with an example of how to do it. Next question. |
| 16:32.42 | [TK]D-Fender | Adam0928: Make 2 contexts. set up 4 devices. Point 2 to the first context. Point the other 2 to the other context. Done |
| 16:32.42 | Adam0928 | and generally this is where one starts to learn new things |
| 16:33.03 | Adam0928 | thanks |
| 16:33.14 | Adam0928 | make two contexts |
| 16:33.15 | igcewieling | Adam0928: have you set up asterisk (no freepbx) in a single tenenant situation? |
| 16:33.22 | Adam0928 | yes i have |
| 16:33.25 | igcewieling | If not, that is where you start |
| 16:33.38 | WIMPy | What's hard about that? That surely was one of the easiest things to do with Asterisk for me so far. |
| 16:33.39 | [TK]D-Fender | FreePBX isn't actually a start for the DIY he'll have to do |
| 16:34.02 | igcewieling | WIMPy: thank you for volunteering to help Adam0928. |
| 16:34.12 | [TK]D-Fender | WIMPy: He doesn't want to learn, but says he will if he has to, and is clearly fighting having to learn anything every step of the way. |
| 16:34.38 | Adam0928 | or you are being an ass |
| 16:35.02 | Adam0928 | everyone is just telling me i am a moron |
| 16:35.07 | WIMPy | Well, for some people an hour of argumenting seems easier than 5 minutes of thinking. |
| 16:35.19 | Adam0928 | not really sure how anything helps me |
| 16:35.23 | [TK]D-Fender | You are acting like one. You are doing nothing but bitching. |
| 16:35.41 | WIMPy | Adam0928: Well, did you understand the answer you have been given a lot of times by now? |
| 16:35.48 | Adam0928 | i am not trying to act like one |
| 16:36.04 | Adam0928 | create two contexts |
| 16:36.14 | WIMPy | Probably a lot more. |
| 16:36.29 | WIMPy | Better call it one set of contexts per tennant. |
| 16:36.29 | [TK]D-Fender | Adam0928: Show us your even getting a basic asterisk running with 2 phones able to dial each other and we'll accept that you're even beginning to try. |
| 16:36.40 | [TK]D-Fender | WIMPy: Which I already did |
| 16:36.59 | [TK]D-Fender | [12:32][TK]D-FenderAdam0928: And is no different than putting the devices for on in their own set of contexts, and the other's in their own |
| 16:37.31 | WIMPy | true |
| 16:37.37 | Adam0928 | i heard you say that |
| 16:37.51 | Adam0928 | i confirmed my understanding of what you are saying |
| 16:38.07 | [TK]D-Fender | Adam0928: So go do it then. Show us your getting off the ground at all on it. |
| 16:38.20 | Adam0928 | but before i go an do it, i just wanted to be absolutely sure that i wasnt leaving something important out |
| 16:38.28 | WIMPy | If you understood that, why are you continuing to ask the same question? |
| 16:38.36 | [TK]D-Fender | Adam0928: There isn't. Go do it. |
| 16:38.58 | Adam0928 | you've been very helpful |
| 16:39.04 | [TK]D-Fender | Adam0928: Separate dialplan contexts, VM contexts, parking, whatever else you feel like setting up. |
| 16:39.19 | [TK]D-Fender | Dialplan = %95 of Asterisk |
| 16:39.22 | Adam0928 | i've dealt with a lot of morons in my many years of working |
| 16:39.26 | lanning | Adam0928: what you do for one tenant, you do for the next tenant, just with alternate naming |
| 16:39.34 | Adam0928 | i know its annoying |
| 16:39.39 | Adam0928 | my appologies |
| 16:40.20 | Adam0928 | i guess you missed the part of my approach to problems is going in "knowing nothing" |
| 16:40.37 | Adam0928 | you can learn a lot more if you dont assume you already know everything |
| 16:40.38 | [TK]D-Fender | What group A dials has nothing to do with what group B dials. They don't dial each other. They are their own separate worlds. They have their own contexts |
| 16:40.55 | lanning | Then I quote "you haven't studied..." - Ghostbusters |
| 16:41.08 | [TK]D-Fender | Adam0928: You are asking how to fly before knowing how to walk |
| 16:41.17 | Adam0928 | thank you for breaking it down "barney level" for me |
| 16:41.46 | Adam0928 | i have worked on phone switches my entire adult life |
| 16:42.11 | Adam0928 | i understand the concepts, i just am not really great at translating that into asterisk yet |
| 16:42.15 | Adam0928 | i am learning |
| 16:42.17 | BludSuckingFiend | why kind of switches, Adam0928 ? |
| 16:42.27 | [TK]D-Fender | Adam0928: You aren't asking about Barney-level. You're asking for implementation of somethign special ... without even knowing the foundation. |
| 16:42.28 | Adam0928 | i came from legacy world |
| 16:42.32 | BludSuckingFiend | Sometimes it helps if you relate concepts in one type of PBX to another |
| 16:42.36 | Adam0928 | Rolm |
| 16:42.39 | Adam0928 | Avaya |
| 16:42.40 | [TK]D-Fender | Adam0928: Go read the book you say you already had and go set up something basic |
| 16:42.54 | [TK]D-Fender | Avaya = dumb-shit toaster |
| 16:42.54 | Adam0928 | i have something basic setup dude |
| 16:42.59 | BludSuckingFiend | Aah, asterisk is very different from Avaya |
| 16:43.05 | [TK]D-Fender | Adam0928: You have FreePBX... that isn't "learning asterisk" |
| 16:43.11 | Adam0928 | not voip avaya |
| 16:43.14 | [TK]D-Fender | Adam0928: It teaches nothing" |
| 16:43.17 | Adam0928 | at&t avaya |
| 16:43.25 | BludSuckingFiend | MC or G450/650? |
| 16:43.32 | Adam0928 | i have freepbx now |
| 16:43.45 | [TK]D-Fender | And is useless as a basis of learning what you need |
| 16:43.59 | Adam0928 | i started using asterisk |
| 16:44.09 | [TK]D-Fender | Adam0928: Set up your own * and geti to actually learning it |
| 16:44.20 | Adam0928 | and started trying to create contexts and whatnot |
| 16:44.26 | Adam0928 | and realized that i was an idiot |
| 16:44.45 | BludSuckingFiend | I'd stick with it Adam0928 |
| 16:44.46 | Adam0928 | and thought that freepbx could teach me some of the complexities |
| 16:44.52 | Adam0928 | of the dialplans |
| 16:44.55 | Adam0928 | and it hasnt |
| 16:44.55 | BludSuckingFiend | freepbx will make it more difficult to learn |
| 16:45.03 | WIMPy | Yes, we got that by now. Why not try to stay on topic fr a change? |
| 16:45.14 | Adam0928 | what is the topic |
| 16:45.32 | [TK]D-Fender | FreePBX will not teach you Asterisk. Complete mistake. Now.... moving on.... |
| 16:45.42 | Adam0928 | i just said that |
| 16:45.52 | Adam0928 | we've moved on, keep up fender |
| 16:45.53 | lanning | freepbx/trixbox et al, are hacked. the dial plans don't match a vanila asterisk dialplan |
| 16:45.55 | Adam0928 | jez |
| 16:46.11 | [TK]D-Fender | So, go learn * |
| 16:46.20 | Adam0928 | sure brb |
| 16:46.25 | Adam0928 | ok, done |
| 16:46.31 | Adam0928 | it takes time for people to learn |
| 16:46.31 | igcewieling | wow, we had two adtrans hacked last night. |
| 16:46.34 | lanning | read the book |
| 16:46.41 | Adam0928 | i have been |
| 16:46.51 | Adam0928 | but i had a question |
| 16:46.55 | lanning | learn the differences between channels, extensions and contexts |
| 16:47.00 | [TK]D-Fender | Adam0928: And what have you actually tried for yourself? |
| 16:47.05 | BludSuckingFiend | what kind of adtrans igcewieling ? |
| 16:47.12 | BludSuckingFiend | and who wants to hack one? |
| 16:47.38 | Adam0928 | wow, why do people come in here |
| 16:47.39 | Adam0928 | ? |
| 16:47.55 | lanning | asterisk has zero knowledge of what a tenant is |
| 16:48.05 | igcewieling | BludSuckingFiend: media gateways, Netvanta or Total access, I don't know which. |
| 16:48.19 | igcewieling | BludSuckingFiend: you want to hack them so you can make international calls for free. |
| 16:48.27 | BludSuckingFiend | ah, I've only ever used their Muxes |
| 16:48.29 | lanning | all it knows is a channel gets a call, and it hits a context, and the extensions in the context route the call |
| 16:48.33 | Adam0928 | asterisk has no knowledge of a lot of things until you tell it... |
| 16:48.43 | [TK]D-Fender | Adam0928: so go tell it. |
| 16:48.52 | Adam0928 | i am trying to |
| 16:49.03 | Adam0928 | so i wanna spend some time asking questions |
| 16:49.08 | lanning | Adam0928: asterisk never will have knowledge of tenants... |
| 16:49.09 | Adam0928 | cuz i am stupid and frustrated |
| 16:49.11 | [TK]D-Fender | Adam0928: We've seen no evidence of this or you'd have different questions |
| 16:49.14 | lanning | no matter what you do |
| 16:49.19 | Adam0928 | deal with it |
| 16:49.34 | [TK]D-Fender | [12:49]Adam0928cuz i am stupid and frustrated <- 11 steps to go. |
| 16:49.36 | lanning | it is a concept completely in the admin's head |
| 16:49.52 | igcewieling | remember, Asterisk isn't really a PBX. It is a toolkit which you can use to build a PBX -- much like building a log cabin using a kit. |
| 16:49.52 | Adam0928 | and the admin in this case is who |
| 16:50.05 | [TK]D-Fender | Adam0928: You |
| 16:50.06 | lanning | you |
| 16:50.08 | Adam0928 | right |
| 16:50.21 | Adam0928 | so i have to get it from my head and into asterisk |
| 16:50.23 | lanning | so, the tenant concept is just in your head |
| 16:50.31 | Adam0928 | which is why i came here in the first place |
| 16:50.34 | lanning | never will it be in asterisk |
| 16:50.52 | BludSuckingFiend | Adam0928: you can emulate tenancy using separate contexts for everything |
| 16:51.08 | Adam0928 | right |
| 16:51.31 | BludSuckingFiend | I actually prefer it to the Avaya concept of tenancy |
| 16:51.43 | [TK]D-Fender | BludSuckingFiend: that would be "implementing" as much as emulating. |
| 16:51.47 | lanning | when designing the dialplan, you have to just make sure that when a call comes in from tenant A's channel, it cannot get routed to any of the extensions that you have assigned in your head to tenant B |
| 16:52.27 | igcewieling | BludSuckingFiend: thankfully we have multiple levels of fraud detection, though we had so many reports generated we ran out of disk space. |
| 16:52.34 | Adam0928 | is there a SOP on how to keep the info organzied and easily refered to |
| 16:52.56 | Adam0928 | for later use in the dialplan |
| 16:52.56 | lanning | that is a name space issue, as I had said before |
| 16:52.57 | [TK]D-Fender | Adam0928: No such thing as SOP. It is what you make of it. |
| 16:53.17 | igcewieling | Adam0928: there is very little SOP with Asterisk, there are some best practices but that is about it. Your best bet is to read The Book to start with. |
| 16:53.27 | [TK]D-Fender | Adam0928: it could be as simple as 2 contexts. It could have ton's of IVR's for each, queuing, etc... it's as big as you make it. |
| 16:53.29 | lanning | just design a namespace scheme that works for you with the concept of multiple tenants |
| 16:53.32 | [TK]D-Fender | Adam0928: There is no standard |
| 16:53.41 | Adam0928 | i wasnt asking for someone to do it for me |
| 16:54.07 | Adam0928 | i just wanted some info or an example of a simple one to start with |
| 16:54.15 | BludSuckingFiend | I'd say start with the example config |
| 16:54.18 | [TK]D-Fender | Adam0928: You can call your contexts whatever you want. You can separate the code into separate files that get merged together on load. |
| 16:54.41 | lanning | I would prefix all the context and channel names with a tenant designation |
| 16:54.50 | WIMPy | BludSuckingFiend: Are you sure, that's a good idea? |
| 16:54.53 | BludSuckingFiend | create another context for your phones (like the default from-sip) and experiment with them |
| 16:55.02 | Adam0928 | ok, so its that easy |
| 16:55.06 | BludSuckingFiend | Gotta start somewhere |
| 16:55.37 | Adam0928 | and explain again why i cant do that with freepbx |
| 16:55.44 | BludSuckingFiend | once you get familiar with using contexts, including contexts, etc then you can go from there |
| 16:55.54 | [TK]D-Fender | Adam0928: you have NO control over the dialplan |
| 16:55.55 | [TK]D-Fender | Adam0928: NONE |
| 16:56.14 | [TK]D-Fender | Adam0928: FreePBX mashed everything together. There is no place to say "you're company A". |
| 16:56.17 | Adam0928 | i just thought there was functionality built in to add more |
| 16:56.18 | lanning | freepbx removes a lot of the detail controls that you have with just astrisk |
| 16:56.19 | [TK]D-Fender | Adam0928: That's why |
| 16:56.32 | BludSuckingFiend | Yeah, FreePBX is great if you want only to use the supported features in freepbx. It's awful for custom setups |
| 16:56.42 | [TK]D-Fender | 12:56]Adam0928i just thought there was functionality built in to add more <- no, and I've already told you as much |
| 16:57.04 | [TK]D-Fender | Adam0928: http://pastebin.com/Ah70DNDD <- there's your sample |
| 16:57.17 | [TK]D-Fender | Adam0928: 2 devices... pointed to their own contexts |
| 16:57.18 | lanning | the GUI's always lock you into what they were designed for. anything else, will break it |
| 16:59.20 | Adam0928 | like extensions_custom.conf |
| 17:00.05 | [TK]D-Fender | Adam0928: FreePBX is a complete and absolute dead-end. End of story. There is NO hacking that into multi-tennant. |
| 17:00.22 | [TK]D-Fender | Adam0928: Abandon all hope of that. It is a waste of time. |
| 17:00.44 | [TK]D-Fender | Adam0928: These are not the droids you're looking for... |
| 17:00.54 | Adam0928 | i have never given up that easily |
| 17:00.59 | *** part/#asterisk Matthias (~Matthias@195.16.243.99) |
| 17:01.02 | Adam0928 | hahaha |
| 17:01.15 | Adam0928 | i'm sorry, i know you are trying to help me |
| 17:01.22 | Adam0928 | and i am being a pain in the ass |
| 17:01.29 | igcewieling | In the Asterisk world you can fight Asterisk and be miserable and lonley, or you can accept Asterisk's limitations and be happy and serene. |
| 17:01.37 | igcewieling | I recommend that 2nd option. |
| 17:01.38 | BludSuckingFiend | You need to give up on this one Adam0928 ... FreePBX will cause you more problems than anything |
| 17:01.44 | BludSuckingFiend | it will fight you every step of the way |
| 17:01.50 | Adam0928 | i am realizing that |
| 17:02.01 | Adam0928 | but before i came here, i didnt know that |
| 17:02.23 | Adam0928 | am i supposed to just shift gears cuz a chatroom guy said so |
| 17:02.27 | BludSuckingFiend | Adam0928: Sorry, it just sounds like you're still talking about using it |
| 17:02.33 | Adam0928 | without due dilligence |
| 17:03.03 | [TK]D-Fender | You mean asking for help, and ignoring it because they might be wrong? |
| 17:03.06 | BludSuckingFiend | you can take expert opinions of people that do know what they are talking about... but don't expect people to spend a lot of time trying to convince you of what they know |
| 17:03.11 | *** part/#asterisk igcewieling (~igcewieli@ip98-183-25-31.pn.at.cox.net) |
| 17:03.31 | Adam0928 | no, not ignoring, taking with a grain of salt |
| 17:03.43 | Adam0928 | and oh my asking questions as to why it wont work |
| 17:04.04 | BludSuckingFiend | I might suggest asking the FreePBX people that. |
| 17:04.16 | Adam0928 | i dont care about freepbx |
| 17:04.29 | Adam0928 | it was just a starting point |
| 17:04.32 | lanning | freepbx is not just special dialplans. it has been hacked for special behavior |
| 17:04.34 | BludSuckingFiend | You're asking us to tell you why FreePBX won't work |
| 17:04.51 | Adam0928 | i get that i can create a custom dialplan |
| 17:04.56 | lanning | and any changes to the files, manually, break the GUI |
| 17:05.02 | *** join/#asterisk Matthias (~Matthias@195.16.243.99) |
| 17:05.04 | Adam0928 | i am seeking knowledge |
| 17:05.07 | BludSuckingFiend | FreePBX isn't a starting point... if you want help from people here, asterisk by itself should be your starting point |
| 17:05.20 | Adam0928 | done |
| 17:05.51 | BludSuckingFiend | now the pastbin that [TK]D-Fender provided is a very simplified version of where you should start |
| 17:05.58 | lanning | and for the future, if you ever want to use freepbx, their help is on #freepbs |
| 17:06.02 | lanning | and for the future, if you ever want to use freepbx, their help is on #freepbx |
| 17:06.13 | Adam0928 | i am looking into the solutions |
| 17:06.27 | Adam0928 | but i dont really want to come back to the chatroom for a long long time |
| 17:06.34 | Adam0928 | so i was stocking up advice |
| 17:07.10 | Adam0928 | cuz everyone is so great on here at helping people who dont know a fraction of what they do |
| 17:07.14 | BludSuckingFiend | Well you have a starting point. You should look at that and see what if any questions you have relating to it |
| 17:07.19 | Adam0928 | but are willing to learn |
| 17:07.27 | Adam0928 | i use freepbx now |
| 17:07.32 | [TK]D-Fender | Adam0928: Read the book. When you understand the pieces of Asterisk either the concept of multi-tennent will ocome to you or it wont |
| 17:07.37 | lanning | Adam0928: the idea is that you do a lot of work on learning asterisk and your specific needs. come to the channel or mailing list with very specific questions. |
| 17:07.50 | Adam0928 | why |
| 17:07.58 | [TK]D-Fender | because |
| 17:08.02 | Adam0928 | cant people just ask stupid questions sometimes |
| 17:08.08 | zamba | hehe |
| 17:08.13 | Adam0928 | cuz thats how they think |
| 17:08.14 | [TK]D-Fender | but you do that ALL the time! |
| 17:08.24 | Adam0928 | am i here all the time |
| 17:08.25 | BludSuckingFiend | only if they are willing to accept the answers :P |
| 17:08.42 | [TK]D-Fender | BludSuckingFiend: No, that's what denial is for! |
| 17:08.46 | Adam0928 | because i question further doesnt mean i dont accept |
| 17:08.48 | lanning | http://workaround.org/getting-help-on-irc |
| 17:09.02 | Adam0928 | i just want to know everything |
| 17:09.10 | Adam0928 | EVERYTHING |
| 17:09.12 | BludSuckingFiend | well what are your remaining asterisk (non-freepbx related, since we are past that now) questions? |
| 17:09.19 | [TK]D-Fender | No... ou already stated you don't want to, but will if you HAVE to |
| 17:09.24 | [TK]D-Fender | And even that I doubt |
| 17:09.29 | Adam0928 | haha ok |
| 17:09.37 | lanning | remember IRC is 100% volunteer |
| 17:09.42 | Adam0928 | i dont have any more |
| 17:09.58 | Adam0928 | so why is everyone acting like its so hard to talk to a newb |
| 17:10.04 | lanning | Adam0928: and please read the web page I posted above |
| 17:10.07 | Adam0928 | you wanted to be here |
| 17:10.41 | Adam0928 | sign off if it annoys you that some dummy is asking questions, but it wasnt some dummy, I am an RCDD |
| 17:10.42 | lanning | most people get PAID to lug along someone who won't do their own homework |
| 17:11.27 | [TK]D-Fender | Adam0928: And ...? |
| 17:11.37 | BludSuckingFiend | Adam0928: What if I came to you asking how to set up an Avaya PBX to route calls, but I don't want to use vectors |
| 17:11.54 | lanning | Adam0928: again, see http://workaround.org/getting-help-on-irc |
| 17:12.06 | Adam0928 | i would tell you that i am not the person to ask about that |
| 17:12.25 | Adam0928 | but i have an avaya guy that answers all my questions when i have them |
| 17:12.40 | Adam0928 | and i will try to call/email and get you the best answer i can |
| 17:12.43 | lanning | is he the paid service rep? |
| 17:12.52 | Adam0928 | no |
| 17:13.04 | lanning | he's a friend? |
| 17:13.08 | Adam0928 | he's someone my dad went to college with |
| 17:13.11 | BludSuckingFiend | I thought you'd worked with them for years. I'd relate it to Rolm, but that's one of the few PBX brands I have never touched |
| 17:13.16 | lanning | ya, friend |
| 17:13.23 | lanning | someone with a vested intrest in YOU. |
| 17:13.25 | Adam0928 | Rolm |
| 17:13.29 | Adam0928 | Seimens |
| 17:13.30 | Adam0928 | IBM |
| 17:14.06 | Adam0928 | i did not work for Bell Labs |
| 17:14.41 | Adam0928 | it doesnt matter |
| 17:14.45 | Adam0928 | this is stupid |
| 17:14.52 | Adam0928 | thanks |
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| 17:15.09 | [TK]D-Fender | RCDD exam : Format: 3 hours, 120 questions, closed-book, multiple choice (knowledge- and application-based questions) - Application Fee: Members—$225; Nonmembers—$350 - Exam Fee: Members—$150; Nonmembers—$275 |
| 17:15.13 | [TK]D-Fender | Another useless cert |
| 17:16.23 | [TK]D-Fender | https://www.bicsi.org/double.aspx?l=2558&r=2560 |
| 17:17.04 | BludSuckingFiend | I just bought a 747 and was wondering who can tell me how to make it go past the sound barrier |
| 17:17.13 | BludSuckingFiend | keep in mind I've never flown an airplane before. |
| 17:17.37 | BludSuckingFiend | but I have a ton of experience with wingsuits :D |
| 17:20.10 | [TK]D-Fender | ~savemoney |
| 17:20.10 | infobot | <Gremlin> It's okay, but I was hoping to save some money with a soldering iron and a bunch of sound cards. |
| 17:20.13 | [TK]D-Fender | ^^^^ |
| 17:27.40 | BludSuckingFiend | A ton of hard work learning, or a lot of $$. Gotta invest one of the two. |
| 17:28.02 | WIMPy | Or both in any order. |
| 17:29.18 | BludSuckingFiend | People see "Oh, it's free! I can save a ton of $$!" but expect it to be plug-and-play or come with experts to set it up for you -_- |
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| 17:50.23 | BludSuckingFiend | wb igcewieling |
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| 18:40.33 | igcewieling | mutters something which sounds like "damn toll fraud hackers" |
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| 18:51.50 | Petchaw | ok |
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| 19:22.40 | igcewieling | Starting to look like older firmware on Adtran Netvanta and Total Access media gateways may have an exploit |
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| 20:46.30 | pabelanger | afternoon |
| 20:47.02 | pabelanger | Anybody having active SIP dialogs issues in 1.8? (1.8.7.1) |
| 20:47.10 | pabelanger | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:47.24 | pabelanger | most, if not all are: |
| 20:47.25 | pabelanger | 192.168.11.152 0019d1432d5f-1 ZDZmN2M4OTc4OWQ 0x0 (nothing) No Rx: BYE 0019d1432d |
| 20:47.34 | WIMPy | I guess that might have been the time when I had such issues, yes. |
| 20:47.36 | pabelanger | seems asterisk is not cleaning up properly |
| 20:48.00 | pabelanger | WIMPy: Ya, found an issue on the tracker with you an publish messages |
| 20:48.03 | WIMPy | But it only ever happened on one box and I never found the difference. |
| 20:48.41 | WIMPy | Right, that was related to PUBLISH. But still it didn't happen here. |
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| 20:49.31 | pabelanger | This box does not have session timers enabled, might see if that helps clear some out |
| 20:49.50 | pabelanger | WIMPy: I assume you upgraded and it resolved itself? |
| 20:50.01 | WIMPy | Yes. |
| 20:50.11 | pabelanger | remeber which version you went too? |
| 20:50.25 | WIMPy | That was the reason that box ran on an SVN version for quite some time. |
| 20:50.53 | WIMPy | I used TRUNK after a patch related to that issue was committed. |
| 20:55.32 | pabelanger | okay, thanks. Trunk not an option for this site. Will go back through chan_sip and see if there was a fix |
| 20:59.14 | WIMPy | TRUNK was the only alternative to daily restarts and hope for me at that time. |
| 20:59.40 | WIMPy | + on that site |
| 21:01.08 | pabelanger | WIMPy: using softphones (zoiper) by chance? |
| 21:02.44 | WIMPy | There has been two zoipers, but I'm not sure they were still in use at that time. I don't think so. |
| 21:11.45 | pabelanger | ok |
| 21:13.16 | kresp0 | Hi all, I'm having no audio issues when calling from a sip phone registered on my * 11.2.1 to another * echo test. Incoming calls works OK, the problem is just with outgoing calls. |
| 21:13.22 | kresp0 | Network map is like this: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=64GX7ZRv |
| 21:13.25 | kresp0 | I've nat=force_rport,comedia on sip.conf: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=QfrZKq6V |
| 21:13.31 | kresp0 | sip debug on my side: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=PvwCjxiK |
| 21:13.36 | kresp0 | sip debug on my friend *: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=TxLQ3RfG |
| 21:13.42 | kresp0 | What should I do to debug (or fix) this? |
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| 21:16.28 | pabelanger | Aside from Dial() args and chan_sip.conf, any other way to dynamically disable REINVITEs in asterisk? |
| 21:23.13 | igcewieling | pabelanger: directmedia=no should be sufficient. |
| 21:23.49 | igcewieling | kresp0: try nat=yes even though it will complain. |
| 21:24.27 | kresp0 | ok, igcewieling, let my try that |
| 21:24.44 | igcewieling | you'll need to set sendrpid=no to avoid connected line updates, which use a reinvite |
| 21:24.55 | kresp0 | ok |
| 21:25.02 | igcewieling | that was for pabelanger |
| 21:25.07 | kresp0 | uh, ok |
| 21:25.18 | kresp0 | btw, forgot to paste rtp debug on my side: http://pastebin.com/dpW65MbT |
| 21:25.33 | kresp0 | and on my friend *: http://pastebin.com/86VAgmCZ |
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| 21:27.38 | igcewieling | kresp0: looks like a nat issue to me |
| 21:27.43 | kresp0 | igcewieling, with nat=yes nothing changes |
| 21:27.47 | kresp0 | yes, it is |
| 21:27.55 | igcewieling | is your asterisk box behind nat? |
| 21:28.18 | kresp0 | no |
| 21:28.37 | kresp0 | but it is connected to 2 networks: my lan and one vpn |
| 21:28.48 | kresp0 | phone is on my lan, friend pbx on the vpn |
| 21:28.51 | igcewieling | you put directmedia=no in sip.conf [general] |
| 21:28.58 | kresp0 | my network is like this: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=64GX7ZRv |
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| 21:31.24 | pabelanger | igcewieling: no, I want directmedia = yes for 99% of the time, but under specific conditions, I actually want to disable it |
| 21:31.31 | kresp0 | now it works! thank you igcewieling |
| 21:31.32 | pabelanger | trying to work around a buggy client |
| 21:31.34 | kresp0 | :) |
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| 21:55.52 | safir | hi |
| 21:57.04 | safir | is this test pbx still working: guest@pbx.digium.com ? |
| 21:58.13 | safir | i get an error trying to call it with a softphone as described in digium´s quick start guide |
| 21:59.54 | safir | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:01.27 | Neptu | hej what is the log to checkout what is happening in the AMI? |
| 22:02.10 | Neptu | I tried to check how many concurrent calls I have |
| 22:02.14 | Neptu | and I can not see much |
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| 22:03.48 | mnathani | Whats the best value product in the single FXO port / single FXS port adapter product space? |
| 22:07.28 | safir | anyone knows the correct adress for digium´s test server? |
| 22:07.42 | [TK]D-Fender | Linksys SPA-3102 |
| 22:08.00 | [TK]D-Fender | safir: probably doesn't exist anymore |
| 22:08.31 | safir | so how could i check if my installation is working? |
| 22:09.56 | [TK]D-Fender | safir: Use something else |
| 22:12.00 | safir | could i enter my sip account info in asterisk and use a softphone to dial through asterisk? |
| 22:13.43 | [TK]D-Fender | Do ou see a reason why not? |
| 22:14.36 | safir | aside from being lazy no |
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| 22:16.37 | safir | thx and good night |
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| 22:30.32 | IsUp | Hello |
| 22:31.23 | Neptu | there is any conf file to define the number or max number of concurrent calls by the server? |
| 22:31.33 | Neptu | I mean the limitation is in the sip trunk not in asterisk |
| 22:33.40 | IsUp | I was running 1.4, and i am testing 11.2.1. I have some troubles. My first question is that i am out-dialing with DAHDI/20, DAHDI/3 etc... |
| 22:34.22 | BludSuckingFiend | I think asterisk.conf contains an overall PBX call limit? |
| 22:34.38 | IsUp | But it says DAHDI/i3/<number> on console. What does "i3" means? I am not used to new DAHDI too... I was running very old versions. |
| 22:34.49 | BludSuckingFiend | ;maxcalls = 10 ; Maximum amount of calls allowed |
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| 22:36.07 | WIMPy | IsUp: It's the span the call is comming from. |
| 22:37.16 | IsUp | WIMPy: Okay but "i" stands for inbound or what? Because i am not receiving any call from span. I am just using it for outdial. |
| 22:37.44 | IsUp | WIMPy: My scenerio basic is SIP -> PRI Span |
| 22:37.58 | WIMPy | Possibly. You only get that name, you don;t use it. |
| 22:38.29 | WIMPy | I.e. for Dial() it stays the same as before. |
| 22:39.04 | IsUp | WIMPy: understand |
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| 22:39.47 | IsUp | Also i have 3 PRI spans and another strange behaviour is that i can't hear a ringing tone on span 1 and 3. but span 2 works fine. Basicly, theres no ringing tone but call works fine when i answer it. It was running okay on 1.4. I've copied old configurations (not copied but applied everything as same, in case of syntax changes etc...) |
| 22:39.51 | tim____ | drivers/dahdi/wctdm.c:2796: error: ‘wctdm_init_one’ undeclared here (not in a function) |
| 22:39.57 | tim____ | is there some incompatibility between dahdi and 3.9.0-rc2? |
| 22:40.07 | tim____ | I just need dahdi_dummy |
| 22:41.15 | WIMPy | That's a combination of yur dahdi configuration and your dialplan. And possibly your telcos configuration as well. |
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| 22:44.29 | IsUp | Sorry, i have trouble with my connection. |
| 22:47.27 | IsUp | I suspect about a timing issue, a bad configuration maybe. I was unable to catch up changes from 1.4 to 11. But system.conf and chan_dahdi.conf looks sime. Because i have another strange behaviour too. I am dialing out to my agents with PRI. When i monitor calls, 2 DAHDI channels are mixing up. So agents are hearing each other. (even customers, i mean callers) |
| 22:48.15 | IsUp | I can pastebin my configuration files, if necessary. |
| 22:49.10 | IsUp | or should i ask in asterisk-dev? any ideas? |
| 22:56.42 | thecardsmith | IsUp: are those T1's? |
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| 22:57.43 | thecardsmith | If it's a two-way PRI, like both inbound and outbound calling.... You want to try to prevent glare by having the telco hunt DS0's in one direction (e.g. from lowest DS0 port number to highest) and you hunt from the opposite direction, e.g. high-to-low |
| 22:58.02 | thecardsmith | otherwise you may experience "glare" where some channels can hear / bleed-into other channels |
| 22:58.39 | TriJetScud | thecardsmith: isn't that why you use E&M signalling to prevent glaring? |
| 23:00.53 | IsUp | thecardsmith: It's E1. And yes it's two-way but, i dont receive any calls at all. We are using it only for outbound calls. It was fine with * 1.4 version, also dahdi and libpri was old too. |
| 23:02.14 | thecardsmith | hrmmm, darn. thought that might be an easy answer for you |
| 23:02.21 | IsUp | thecardsmith: I am not sure about my timing configuration. I am running with Sangoma A108. And my PRI spans are connected to GSM gateways. Same brand and model. Gateway #1 is MASTER and card is getting clock from gateway #1, port 2 and 3 is referencing clock from port 1. |
| 23:04.32 | thecardsmith | E&M should do it, and should really be taken care of already, I just remember setting up PRIs like this from having an old-school manager who's like "oh noes teh glares!". (but I don't have any asterisk machines actively using PRIs right now... I had a test box years ago) |
| 23:06.23 | thecardsmith | Do you have an opportunity to try having the digium card be the clock source for the gateway? |
| 23:06.37 | thecardsmith | That timing setup sounds OK, thinking about it |
| 23:07.50 | thecardsmith | But, timing is always weird. Timing units for TDM switches can be really expensive things. I know we have a switch at work where we get timing from a two telco T1's and use that as our master (and backup) timing source and we have good luck, it is a t1 from a major provider (in the states) |
| 23:08.16 | TriJetScud | meh, it's almost always that you trust the timing from your telco |
| 23:08.24 | thecardsmith | which we do |
| 23:08.50 | TriJetScud | unless you're running a TDM lab, there's almost always no reason to do a master clock |
| 23:08.53 | WIMPy | IsUp: Why do you use one of the GWs as timing source? |
| 23:09.29 | IsUp | Well, we don't have a telco connection anymore. Sangoma guys gave me this configuration, so i was using it at asterisk 1.4 |
| 23:10.20 | IsUp | oops. i was unaware of my logs. |
| 23:10.47 | IsUp | its getting mad by "audiohook.c: Write factory 0x7f7df5a59198 was pretty quick last time, waiting for them." messages. |
| 23:10.53 | WIMPy | Well it's one of those cases where you're lucky that dahdi configuration is not only complex but also flexible. |
| 23:11.43 | IsUp | my log file is 8.1 GB at the moment. |
| 23:13.01 | IsUp | well i have more serious issues right now, i guess. |
| 23:13.42 | IsUp | or simply i am going to turn off debug :) |
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| 23:14.28 | IsUp | WIMPy: sorry to interrupt. what should i fix on dahdi conf? |
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| 23:24.47 | igcewieling | glare would not cause mixing of the digital audio on the PRI |
| 23:27.34 | ectospasm | no it would not |
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| 23:31.44 | tim____ | does dahdi work with 3.9.0-rc2? |
| 23:32.57 | ectospasm | that's a good question... I'd be inclined to say no, but it doesn't hurt to try compiling it against that version. |
| 23:33.05 | ectospasm | tim____: 6 |
| 23:33.11 | ectospasm | er, |
| 23:33.14 | ectospasm | tim____: ^^ |
| 23:33.19 | tim____ | there are some compilation problems |
| 23:33.26 | tim____ | /root/a/dahdi-linux/drivers/dahdi/wctdm.c:2796: error: ‘wctdm_init_one’ undeclared here (not in a function) |
| 23:40.51 | IsUp | I've forwarded a log to Sangoma guys. They are going to check my configurations. |
| 23:41.07 | IsUp | Thank you all |
| 23:41.56 | ectospasm | tim____: unless you have an old TDM400, you can take that driver out from make menuconfig |
| 23:42.38 | ectospasm | tim____: the wctdm driver isn't maintained, I don't believe. |
| 23:43.11 | ectospasm | even if you reported it to Digium, I don't know how much effort they'll expend fixing that particular issue. |
| 23:43.37 | ectospasm | DAHDI devs may say something different, but I wouldn't hold your breath. |
| 23:50.37 | tim____ | where are those drivers at in kernelconfig? |
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| 23:53.55 | robert_ | drmessano: how goes it |