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| 00:40.52 | Katty | evening kiddos. |
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| 00:45.16 | saint_ | hi all |
| 00:45.24 | Katty | waves |
| 00:45.34 | Katty | i think nearly everyone is out doing friday night (= |
| 00:45.38 | saint_ | gee.. i finally got my DPMA working, and phone provisioned with conf files over the network. |
| 00:45.45 | Katty | or possibly, friday night is doing them ^_- |
| 00:46.24 | WIMPy | Friday night is over. |
| 00:46.43 | Katty | hugs WIMPy |
| 00:47.08 | Katty | another soul is around! yay! |
| 00:47.15 | WIMPy | Strange things happen on a friday night... |
| 00:47.23 | Katty | yes. sometimes it gets scary. |
| 00:47.31 | Katty | i'm hiding the basement tonight tho. |
| 00:47.32 | WIMPy | But it's time to go to bed. |
| 00:47.40 | Katty | not feeling up to being upstairs. |
| 00:47.55 | ChrisInSydney | Hi Katty |
| 00:48.01 | Katty | WIMPy: so soon? :< |
| 00:48.05 | Katty | waves to ChrisInSydney |
| 00:48.15 | ChrisInSydney | VUC is still up |
| 00:48.22 | WIMPy | Saturday 2:48 here. |
| 00:48.29 | Katty | meep. yes off to bed with you! |
| 00:48.34 | ChrisInSydney | just lonely ol' me tho |
| 00:48.48 | Katty | ChrisInSydney: well you're lonely, and i'm hiding out. |
| 00:48.51 | ChrisInSydney | WIMPy: Been up since yesterday |
| 00:48.55 | Katty | ChrisInSydney: it's going to be a great evening! |
| 00:49.05 | ChrisInSydney | yup |
| 00:49.18 | Katty | gonna try lifting weights. |
| 00:49.19 | ChrisInSydney | working on a CDR billing thingy |
| 00:49.23 | Katty | sometimes it makes me feel better. |
| 00:49.30 | Katty | oh ya? building one yourself? |
| 00:49.33 | ChrisInSydney | Katty: it will |
| 00:49.43 | ChrisInSydney | nah, just modifying one |
| 00:49.54 | Katty | righto, no need to reinvite the wheel. as they say. |
| 00:49.56 | ChrisInSydney | want somethiung simple |
| 00:49.58 | ChrisInSydney | quick |
| 00:50.03 | ChrisInSydney | multiple carrier support |
| 00:50.13 | ChrisInSydney | looking at OpenCDRRate |
| 00:50.21 | Katty | never used that one before. |
| 00:50.26 | saint_ | anyone know if there is a way to reload res_digium_phone_conf from the command line ? |
| 00:50.33 | ChrisInSydney | all there in theory, but Jack all documentation |
| 00:50.47 | ChrisInSydney | core restart now ?? |
| 00:50.48 | Katty | yeah i hear you. |
| 00:50.53 | Katty | i write documentation as i go, and blog it |
| 00:51.14 | ChrisInSydney | Thats what I am doing. Then find somewhere to post |
| 00:51.18 | saint_ | ha found it.. you need to restart the module.. module reload res_digium_phone.so |
| 00:51.28 | ChrisInSydney | I always have to go back 6 months later |
| 00:51.35 | Katty | yep. and you don't remember a damn thing |
| 00:51.41 | ChrisInSydney | saint_ I was kidding |
| 00:51.55 | ChrisInSydney | Katty: Damn right |
| 00:52.19 | ChrisInSydney | I emailed the dude who is writing it and he emailed me back |
| 00:52.26 | Katty | wow, nice. |
| 00:52.40 | ChrisInSydney | fixed up some multi language stuff that broke the ASCII files |
| 00:53.03 | ChrisInSydney | all working, now to work out how to drive it and how to get my bits to fit |
| 00:53.15 | Katty | what's it written in? |
| 00:53.25 | ChrisInSydney | php |
| 00:53.31 | Katty | that shouldn't be too bad then. |
| 00:53.41 | ChrisInSydney | cake2 moddle thingy whatsit |
| 00:53.47 | ChrisInSydney | PostgresSQL |
| 00:54.12 | ChrisInSydney | and some plpgSQL stuff to make things elegant for some, confusing for otehrs |
| 00:54.16 | Katty | omnomnom postgres nomnom |
| 00:54.29 | ChrisInSydney | yep, one of those |
| 00:54.35 | Katty | i'm a fan. |
| 00:55.23 | Katty | graduated to 15lb dumbbells today. |
| 00:55.29 | ChrisInSydney | I know how to get MySQL to do stuff with nothing but a left join on null, but I couldn't even get a postgres CLI |
| 00:55.48 | Katty | takes time to learn new stuff. |
| 00:56.26 | ChrisInSydney | you must be hurting, no wait, that will be tomorrow |
| 00:56.30 | ChrisInSydney | true |
| 00:56.43 | Katty | hehe, well already kind of. but yes, i'll be super sore tomorrow. |
| 00:56.45 | ChrisInSydney | It took me all day to work out how not to make it work |
| 00:56.59 | Katty | 15lbs doesn't seem like much, but it is for me. |
| 00:57.06 | Katty | not been lifting for very long |
| 00:57.32 | Katty | just imagine what you will know by the end of next week! |
| 00:57.33 | ChrisInSydney | thats 30 lbs ~~ 12KGs total |
| 00:57.48 | ChrisInSydney | another four days of how not to do it |
| 00:57.52 | Katty | hehe |
| 00:58.04 | Katty | nah, you will learn a little something. just keep chippin it away |
| 00:58.05 | ChrisInSydney | mod_rewrite |
| 00:58.24 | ChrisInSydney | thats missing from his documentation |
| 00:58.41 | Katty | the php irc channel and postgres channel may be useful for specific questions |
| 00:58.41 | ChrisInSydney | its in cake2 doco, but I wasnt going to go through that straight away |
| 00:59.30 | ChrisInSydney | problem isnt going to be that, its pretty sown up now. I just used Webmin to upload the SQL and not I leave it alone |
| 00:59.49 | ChrisInSydney | PHP im fine with its like C meets anarchy |
| 01:00.12 | Katty | yuck. |
| 01:00.24 | Katty | i never did learn php. unfortunately i took the ASP path. |
| 01:00.36 | Katty | luckily i don't do much with it anymore. |
| 01:00.40 | ChrisInSydney | trouble is, my programming goes back to the post punk days |
| 01:00.47 | Katty | lol |
| 01:00.51 | ChrisInSydney | new romantic structured programming |
| 01:01.06 | Katty | are you yelling at things to get off your lawn yet? |
| 01:01.21 | ChrisInSydney | global variables, shoulder pads, procedures and permed mullets |
| 01:01.42 | Katty | sounds like serious business. |
| 01:02.09 | ChrisInSydney | ahh. Domestic duties call. |
| 01:02.13 | ChrisInSydney | have to run |
| 01:02.24 | ChrisInSydney | thanks for the pointers |
| 01:02.27 | ChrisInSydney | :-) |
| 01:02.27 | Katty | later |
| 01:02.30 | ChrisInSydney | later |
| 01:12.55 | saint_ | anyone around using DPMA ? |
| 01:13.17 | Katty | it doesn't ring a bell with me, so i'mma go on a limb and say probably not. |
| 01:14.23 | igcewieling | Katty: I believe it is the Digium Phone provisioning thing. The problem with Digium phones is they are new enough not a lot of people use them yet. You really have to rely on Digium for support. |
| 01:15.44 | saint_ | which i am doing .. |
| 01:16.01 | saint_ | igcewieling: are you using that by any chance ..? |
| 01:16.02 | Katty | igcewieling: ah right. |
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| 01:16.12 | Katty | cool. exciting that digium is doing phones. |
| 01:16.13 | igcewieling | saint_: no and I doubt we will ever use Digium phones. |
| 01:16.18 | Katty | more stuff to pick from! |
| 01:16.20 | igcewieling | We have too much invested in Polycom |
| 01:16.29 | saint_ | ok |
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| 01:16.58 | igcewieling | We have too much code developed inhouse |
| 01:17.00 | Katty | yeah we have polycoms too. |
| 01:17.19 | igcewieling | I don't know exactly how many Polycom phones we have, but it must be close to 1,000 by now. |
| 01:17.20 | Katty | NASA used polycoms when they neil armstrong on the moon |
| 01:17.52 | BoRiS | I thought that was Panasonic |
| 01:17.58 | Katty | subnets galore! |
| 01:18.09 | igcewieling | I just ran some numbers, at LEAST 1,000 |
| 01:18.27 | saint_ | igcewieling: all with asterisk servers ? |
| 01:18.32 | igcewieling | saint_: yes. |
| 01:18.39 | saint_ | sweet |
| 01:20.06 | igcewieling | we have 251 phones registered just to our hosted server and that is just one of our servers. |
| 01:20.39 | igcewieling | + 60 other asterisk boxes |
| 01:21.23 | igcewieling | Hmm...I should get a raise. |
| 01:21.27 | igcewieling | 8-| |
| 01:21.40 | Katty | you and me both, ice weasel. |
| 01:21.59 | Katty | i mean eric. |
| 01:22.03 | Katty | it was eric, right? |
| 01:22.14 | igcewieling | I prefer ManxPower |
| 01:22.39 | Katty | i may die of confusion. |
| 01:22.47 | Katty | back to ice weasel hehe |
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| 01:37.26 | vastersk | is there a way for us to specify a route on asterisk server? Like specifying smtp signal to go to a different router? |
| 01:41.05 | igcewieling | vastersk: the concept does not translate. You should read The Book. |
| 01:41.07 | igcewieling | ~book |
| 01:41.07 | infobot | Asterisk: The Definitive Guide, 3rd Edition (ISBN 0-596-51734-3) available at http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596517342 - Asterisk: The Definitive Guide is released under a Creative Commons License (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/us/) and is available for reading online at http://www.asteriskdocs.org/ or see ~buybook |
| 01:42.12 | igcewieling | If you read The Book, the application documentation (core show applications for a list) and the function documentation (core show functions for a list) you will "know Asterisk" as much as anyone can without using Asterisk for years. |
| 01:42.18 | Katty | vastersk: if i understand you correctly, smtp routing would be the function of a firewall. |
| 01:43.06 | Katty | you would say this port, in this 25, is supposed to out interface... eth3 which is the vpn tunnel |
| 01:43.12 | igcewieling | vastersk: it will also be more effective for someone such as yourself, who is not a native English speaker. |
| 01:43.28 | Katty | igcewieling: be nice, dear. |
| 01:43.46 | igcewieling | Katty: It was not intended as being mean. |
| 01:43.48 | Katty | igcewieling: for all you know, his wife just chewed him out and he has cancer. |
| 01:44.29 | igcewieling | The syntax and content of his message indicate to me he is not a native English speaker. |
| 01:45.23 | igcewieling | There is nothing wrong with that, but it makes helping via IRC MUCH harder if you don't have at least some understanding of Asterisk |
| 01:45.37 | Katty | also grace. |
| 01:45.45 | Katty | and patience (= |
| 01:46.34 | igcewieling | vastersk: what is your native language? |
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| 02:46.17 | ChrisInSydney | I guess you could have suggested _SRV records |
| 02:46.29 | ChrisInSydney | thats a bit SMTP routy |
| 02:46.39 | ChrisInSydney | sorta |
| 02:46.57 | ChrisInSydney | VUC bridge is still up !!! |
| 02:47.05 | ChrisInSydney | with a bit of help |
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| 04:22.39 | saint_ | anyone up and using dpma with external lnies ? |
| 04:22.41 | saint_ | lines ? |
| 05:05.53 | fling | Hello! |
| 05:06.59 | fling | How to implement accounts and call pricing in a simple way? |
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| 05:21.54 | saint_ | holy crap. it took me about 8 hrs, but i finally got dpma working nice and clean with multiple internal / external lines |
| 05:26.44 | igcewieling | fling: there is no simple way |
| 05:27.47 | fling | igcewieling: do I need a separate app for this? |
| 05:28.14 | igcewieling | fling: yes |
| 05:28.37 | igcewieling | fling: have you read the Asterisk Book? |
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| 05:28.42 | igcewieling | ~book |
| 05:28.43 | infobot | Asterisk: The Definitive Guide, 3rd Edition (ISBN 0-596-51734-3) available at http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596517342 - Asterisk: The Definitive Guide is released under a Creative Commons License (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/us/) and is available for reading online at http://www.asteriskdocs.org/ or see ~buybook |
| 05:29.10 | j-fish | any good sip client for windows? |
| 05:29.22 | carrar | xlite is free |
| 05:29.33 | carrar | works and looks nice |
| 05:29.37 | j-fish | yeah but kinda heavy |
| 05:29.52 | carrar | just 1's and zeros |
| 05:30.09 | igcewieling | All softphones stuck. |
| 05:30.18 | carrar | Blink Pro then |
| 05:30.23 | igcewieling | Some people think Zoiper sucks less than most. |
| 05:30.32 | j-fish | lol |
| 05:30.47 | carrar | Bria/Blink/Zopier are all ok |
| 05:31.13 | carrar | I like Blink Pro the best |
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| 05:31.26 | carrar | cause it's easy to change the User-Agent: header |
| 05:31.39 | apb1963 | I like phonerlite for the most part |
| 05:31.51 | apb1963 | it has a few things that could use improvement |
| 05:32.58 | j-fish | german knows thier stuff,i'll check it out |
| 05:33.11 | fling | igcewieling: thanks, reading |
| 05:34.26 | igcewieling | The best softphone is a hardphone |
| 05:34.33 | apb1963 | heh |
| 05:34.45 | j-fish | hehe |
| 05:34.48 | apb1963 | hardphones cost hard cash thats hard to come by |
| 05:35.23 | apb1963 | My income has suffered ever since I stopped pimping |
| 05:35.23 | j-fish | hardphones are too hard,you actually need to move to answer the call |
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| 05:38.52 | carrar | cordless binaural headsets FTW |
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| 05:40.43 | j-fish | oops phonerlite ringing just woke up my girlfriend:< |
| 05:40.53 | apb1963 | haha... turn it down |
| 05:40.59 | j-fish | i did lol |
| 05:41.18 | igcewieling | I have a nice plantronics corded binaural headset |
| 05:41.30 | apb1963 | plantronics is good stuff |
| 05:41.35 | apb1963 | or so they tell me |
| 05:41.58 | igcewieling | expensive though, around $250 for the headset and amp |
| 05:42.29 | apb1963 | that's why I don't know for myself |
| 05:42.38 | igcewieling | batteries in the amp need recharging about once every 6 months |
| 05:42.48 | apb1963 | is that good? |
| 05:42.48 | carrar | yeah I have the plantronics CS500 binaural |
| 05:42.54 | carrar | with lifter |
| 05:43.30 | carrar | CS520 |
| 05:43.53 | igcewieling | goes back to work |
| 05:44.55 | apb1963 | I think 12 cups of coffee a day is starting to make me sick |
| 05:45.14 | carrar | Switch to espresso |
| 05:45.19 | carrar | do it right |
| 05:45.36 | apb1963 | take it easy... i've only been a coffee drinker for about a year now |
| 05:46.13 | apb1963 | and actually... I hate the stuff |
| 05:46.25 | carrar | yeah |
| 05:46.33 | carrar | I hated it too |
| 05:46.39 | carrar | I used the gateway |
| 05:46.43 | carrar | mocha's |
| 05:46.50 | carrar | that was the gateway to hard stuff |
| 05:47.14 | apb1963 | I don't know anything about it |
| 05:47.16 | carrar | Now it's Iced Hazzlenut Lattes |
| 05:47.34 | carrar | made at home |
| 05:47.36 | apb1963 | yeah... all that fancy stuff... i'm no gourmet |
| 05:47.45 | carrar | <- seattle |
| 05:47.53 | apb1963 | fancy |
| 05:48.00 | carrar | it's expected everyone drinks espresso |
| 05:48.12 | carrar | Move here at get a free espresso maker |
| 05:48.16 | carrar | at=and |
| 05:48.16 | apb1963 | well... in that case... drink up :) |
| 05:48.20 | apb1963 | haha |
| 05:48.26 | apb1963 | I can't afford to move |
| 05:48.33 | apb1963 | plus WA has too much rain |
| 05:48.55 | carrar | http://king.bimedia.net/KING/weather/images-to-resample/7-day-Website.jpg |
| 05:49.07 | carrar | don't share that link with anyone |
| 05:49.25 | apb1963 | I wouldn't dream of it |
| 05:49.30 | apb1963 | in fact, I won't even look at it |
| 05:49.41 | carrar | 82 & sunny Sunday |
| 05:50.15 | apb1963 | first time all year? :) |
| 05:50.20 | carrar | haha |
| 05:50.33 | carrar | been sunny all week |
| 05:50.41 | apb1963 | very nice |
| 05:50.51 | j-fish | likes phonerlite |
| 05:50.53 | apb1963 | we had rain once... a long, long time ago. |
| 05:51.04 | apb1963 | cool |
| 05:51.17 | apb1963 | Maybe you'll help me lobby for some features :) |
| 05:51.28 | j-fish | such as? |
| 05:51.51 | apb1963 | I should start making a list... I forget |
| 05:52.06 | apb1963 | somethin' to do with phonebook for starters though |
| 05:52.48 | apb1963 | oh and macros... so I can enter passwords and DTMF for menus easier. |
| 05:53.19 | apb1963 | can't ever enter a password on asterisk VM for example... times out too fast. |
| 05:53.54 | j-fish | i need auto answer mode |
| 05:53.54 | apb1963 | And I still can't figure out how the conference feature is supposed to work... it's weird. |
| 05:54.16 | apb1963 | really? why? I don't want to be caught with my pants down. |
| 05:54.42 | j-fish | because i'm using fop2,i can dail from it directly |
| 05:54.49 | j-fish | but then it calls my phone |
| 05:55.01 | apb1963 | oh I haven't gotten around to installing that... don't know if I need it or not. |
| 05:55.49 | apb1963 | o i c... dial out on softphone... talk on hardphone |
| 05:56.00 | j-fish | i just called one of my employess from inner extension and start talking to him, he did not understand what's going on |
| 05:56.10 | apb1963 | I think google voice does that if memory serves |
| 05:56.28 | apb1963 | why not? |
| 05:56.34 | apb1963 | He's never used a phone before? |
| 05:56.44 | j-fish | i am not at work vpning |
| 05:57.09 | j-fish | guess he was like: "my boss is here?" |
| 05:57.19 | apb1963 | hmm |
| 05:57.36 | apb1963 | at least they show up for work |
| 05:58.01 | j-fish | yeah,night shift... |
| 05:58.49 | apb1963 | what kind of business? |
| 05:58.56 | j-fish | call center |
| 05:59.06 | j-fish | apb1963: can it support more than 1 line? |
| 05:59.31 | apb1963 | Yes... but I don't think more than 1 at a time |
| 05:59.45 | igcewieling | I had a customer I did remote work for in the evenings. Page of all phones, lean really close to the phone, say in a deep voice "the phone system will be rebooting in 5 mins". They called it "the Voice of God". |
| 05:59.52 | apb1963 | You can have multiple profiles |
| 06:00.10 | j-fish | igcewieling:hehe |
| 06:00.14 | apb1963 | igcewieling: nice |
| 06:00.30 | apb1963 | igcewieling: next time say "REPENT SINNERS" |
| 06:00.37 | igcewieling | heh, this was years ago. |
| 06:00.46 | j-fish | apb1963: i'm trying to put one call on hold and then make another one , and then confrence them |
| 06:00.47 | apb1963 | never too late |
| 06:01.11 | apb1963 | j-fish Yeah... let me know if you figure out how :) |
| 06:01.42 | j-fish | not yet lol |
| 06:01.52 | igcewieling | often pressing conference automatically puts the current call on hold..... |
| 06:01.56 | apb1963 | Try hitting conf. instead of hold |
| 06:02.02 | apb1963 | what he said |
| 06:02.20 | apb1963 | I did that with someone... he said it muted him, but he could still hear me. |
| 06:02.36 | apb1963 | we never got the third party on the line so no idea if it worked |
| 06:03.02 | apb1963 | j-fish I'll help you test a bit if you like... you can call me |
| 06:03.11 | j-fish | one sec |
| 06:04.37 | apb1963 | Oh... Options menu has autoanswer |
| 06:05.47 | j-fish | haha n1 |
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| 06:05.58 | apb1963 | ?? |
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| 06:06.45 | j-fish | the auto answer...works great |
| 06:06.56 | apb1963 | good |
| 06:07.11 | j-fish | but yea still no luck with conf |
| 06:07.18 | apb1963 | message me |
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| 06:19.11 | igcewieling | Some day the history books will describe blogs as "the worst form of communication known to man" |
| 06:19.37 | j-fish | and fax |
| 06:20.58 | igcewieling | you can flip through a multi page fax quickly and easily |
| 06:23.18 | carrar | uhh that day is today |
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| 17:26.19 | atan | Looking at the features on these Digium phones, is there some way you can start a 3 way call and pull yourself out? |
| 17:26.59 | WIMPy | You broke the record. So far only one line in 11 hours. |
| 17:27.17 | WIMPy | Sounds like a transfer. |
| 17:27.18 | atan | I said something a few hours ago =\ |
| 17:27.39 | WIMPy | Oh, right, the other line was from you as well. |
| 17:27.46 | atan | :( |
| 17:33.38 | [TK]D-Fender | atan: Just tested on my D50. So far no, it'll hangup |
| 17:33.56 | [TK]D-Fender | atan: Polycoms do not end the call, it reinvites toghter fine. |
| 17:34.10 | [TK]D-Fender | atan: Perhaps there is a newer firmware that supports it... |
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| 17:36.19 | atan | Looking at the way the unit is built it looks like a headset lifter would be no fun. Does it support some sort of electronic hook switch for remote answer on headets? |
| 17:36.51 | [TK]D-Fender | atan: Yes... |
| 17:36.59 | [TK]D-Fender | atan: Shich you should already have read about... |
| 17:37.08 | WIMPy | There is that socket, but I haven't found any domumentation on it. |
| 17:37.26 | atan | [TK]D-Fender, where I am confused is Plantronics tells me it's unsupported |
| 17:38.19 | [TK]D-Fender | atan: http://headsetplus.com/product1438/product_info.html |
| 17:38.29 | [TK]D-Fender | atan: You aren't asking right or looking very hard..... |
| 17:38.59 | atan | [TK]D-Fender, to be fair I did only ask technical support at Plantronics... what did I expect... :P :-) |
| 17:39.22 | atan | But this looks good, rock on! |
| 17:39.48 | [TK]D-Fender | atan: You typed more words in your statement of finding nothing than I did in my Google search to find it :) |
| 17:39.59 | atan | That's the usual though. |
| 17:40.00 | WIMPy | Some sort of standard would also have been nice. |
| 17:40.11 | [TK]D-Fender | WIMPy: It is .... Polycom's standard |
| 17:40.53 | [TK]D-Fender | WIMPy: Aastra has their own. planronics makes cables for them too... |
| 17:41.12 | WIMPy | Yes, the good thing about standards: Everyone can have their own. |
| 17:41.23 | [TK]D-Fender | WIMPy: Exactly! |
| 17:41.26 | WIMPy | I prefer things that work without hassle. |
| 17:41.44 | [TK]D-Fender | WIMPy: It's an imperfect world.... |
| 17:42.05 | WIMPy | It's your choice. |
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| 17:47.58 | [TK]D-Fender | WIMPy: Yup, everyone can exit whenever they feel like ;) |
| 17:48.21 | itamarjp | hi, anyone can help me to get status of a call using ${DIALSTATUS} ? |
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| 17:49.44 | igcewieling1 | itamarjp: your question is so basic you may want to read the Asterisk Book to learn something about Asterisk. |
| 17:49.46 | igcewieling1 | ~book |
| 17:49.46 | infobot | Asterisk: The Definitive Guide, 3rd Edition (ISBN 0-596-51734-3) available at http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596517342 - Asterisk: The Definitive Guide is released under a Creative Commons License (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/us/) and is available for reading online at http://www.asteriskdocs.org/ or see ~buybook |
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| 17:57.43 | itamarjp | igcewieling1, thanks for suggesting the book, but I am unable to understand it, Can you help me ? |
| 17:59.15 | [TK]D-Fender | itamarjp: what don't you understand? It's a variable. Go look at it's value in a GotoIf and do something based on it |
| 17:59.30 | itamarjp | exten => 0000,1,Dial(SIP/itamar@ispbrasil.com.br) | same => n,NoOp( Dial Status: ${DIALSTATUS}) |
| 17:59.47 | [TK]D-Fender | itamarjp: "core show application gotoif" |
| 17:59.57 | [TK]D-Fender | itamarjp: and go read up on expressions |
| 18:00.16 | itamarjp | doesnt work in noop ? |
| 18:00.30 | itamarjp | the second line doesnt get executed. |
| 18:01.18 | WIMPy | By default the dialplan only continues after Dial() if it failed. |
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| 18:02.41 | itamarjp | WIMPy, how can I get the status of the call after it dialed ? |
| 18:03.20 | WIMPy | The way you did it. |
| 18:04.13 | WIMPy | Do you have verbose set to at least 3? Otherwise you can use Verbose() instead of NoOp(). |
| 18:04.44 | [TK]D-Fender | itamarjp: You do get it ... unless the call was ANSWERED |
| 18:04.59 | [TK]D-Fender | itamarjp: because once a Dial is answered, by default the call will END immediately afterwards |
| 18:05.51 | itamarjp | I would like to get the status of the call including answered. |
| 18:06.07 | itamarjp | Executing [0000@free:2] NoOp("SIP/0001-00000006", " Dial Status: BUSY") in new stack |
| 18:06.21 | itamarjp | you`re right, I got the status for busy. |
| 18:06.36 | itamarjp | I would like to get it for answered too. |
| 18:06.37 | WIMPy | 'core show application dial' |
| 18:07.22 | [TK]D-Fender | ^ |
| 18:08.06 | [TK]D-Fender | itamarjp: Read Dial's instructions. You should also be aware of the Asterisk Standard Extensions which are also documented in the book... |
| 18:10.28 | itamarjp | do you know if h extension should work for me ? |
| 18:12.01 | [TK]D-Fender | itamarjp: Depends what you want to DO afterwards. |
| 18:12.24 | itamarjp | I would like to have the status of the call after its finished. |
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| 18:13.24 | [TK]D-Fender | itamarjp: "having it" isn't "doing something with it". |
| 18:13.35 | [TK]D-Fender | itamarjp: What ar you going to DO with it? |
| 18:14.34 | itamarjp | I would like to call 2 persons using originate and have the status if the call was completed |
| 18:15.18 | [TK]D-Fender | itamarjp: Ok, that is still not answering the question. |
| 18:15.44 | [TK]D-Fender | itamarjp: If some message pops up in CLI to say they answered that isn't doing anything. |
| 18:15.58 | itamarjp | I want to store the status in a database. |
| 18:16.01 | [TK]D-Fender | itamarjp: What precise ACTION are you planning on taking based on this |
| 18:16.30 | [TK]D-Fender | itamarjp: You call has a LOT of different things going on. |
| 18:16.54 | [TK]D-Fender | itamarjp: What are you using for your "Channel:" in it? |
| 18:17.22 | itamarjp | I want to call and know if the call was answered or not |
| 18:17.24 | itamarjp | only that. |
| 18:17.41 | [TK]D-Fender | itamarjp: What are you using for your "Channel:" in it? |
| 18:17.59 | [TK]D-Fender | Actually ... doesn't really matter... |
| 18:18.03 | itamarjp | sip |
| 18:18.12 | igcewieling1 | itamarjp: "core show application dial" pay careful attention to the "g" option to dial |
| 18:18.23 | [TK]D-Fender | if you wnt to know if TWO ends are connected... just use a MACRO in your dial that triggers upon answer |
| 18:18.35 | [TK]D-Fender | igcewieling1: No need.. trigger it on answer instead of after the fact |
| 18:19.12 | itamarjp | using the M macro ? |
| 18:19.31 | itamarjp | dial (x,,M(macro)) ? |
| 18:19.40 | [TK]D-Fender | yes |
| 18:20.21 | igcewieling1 | [TK]D-Fender: *nod* I was answering the question he origially asked. Not what he MEANT. 8-| |
| 18:21.31 | [TK]D-Fender | igcewieling1: Too many people ask how to take actions their goals don't require :0 |
| 18:22.41 | igcewieling1 | What they say: Have I seen you here before? What they really mean: How do I get into your pants? |
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| 22:46.21 | ageis | Can I get some VoIP/SIP provider suggestions for a small business? What are people's favorites? |
| 22:49.39 | igcewieling1 | I like Vitelity |
| 22:49.40 | ageis | currently comparing voicepulse, voIP.ms, and vonage |
| 22:51.02 | ageis | igcewieling1: thanks |
| 22:55.08 | ageis | I wonder if I can calculate my per month minute usage from Asterisk's sqlite db.. |
| 22:55.59 | igcewieling1 | why not ask your provider? |
| 22:57.35 | ageis | My provider doesn't have that data |
| 22:57.46 | ageis | They have my bill.. which I could reverse-calculate using their per-minute cost |
| 22:57.55 | ageis | but I suck at math |
| 22:58.02 | ageis | if someone wants to do the math for me, that'd be welcome |
| 22:58.22 | ChannelZ | cost / minutes used |
| 22:58.26 | ChannelZ | Not rocket science |
| 22:59.05 | ageis | I need to find minutes used from the cost |
| 22:59.28 | ChannelZ | You know how much it costs, and you know how much per minute they charge? |
| 22:59.37 | ageis | Let's say the bill is $120 and the cost is 1.9 cents per minute |
| 22:59.42 | ageis | what would be the calculation? |
| 23:00.20 | ChannelZ | 120 / .019 |
| 23:00.40 | ageis | so 631 mins |
| 23:00.43 | ageis | thanks |
| 23:01.25 | ChannelZ | mmm no, 6315 minutes. |
| 23:01.31 | ageis | oh |
| 23:01.32 | ageis | heh |
| 23:01.59 | igcewieling1 | I'm not a fan of voice over non-QoS's connections, though I am rather biased. |
| 23:02.20 | igcewieling1 | no matter how much bandwidth you think you are using, you are wrong. |
| 23:02.25 | ChannelZ | I need to get traffic control in linux working |
| 23:02.52 | igcewieling1 | ChannelZ: that only helps with outbound traffic. For inbound traffic your provider has to do the QoS |
| 23:03.43 | ChannelZ | sure |
| 23:03.53 | igcewieling1 | all you need is one jerk to fire up bittorrent and your call quality goes to hell |
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| 23:04.37 | ChannelZ | Which is mostly my problem |
| 23:05.22 | ChannelZ | Other continuous traffic winds up clogging up the buffers. I just want to make my outgoing RTP to get prioritized to the head of the queue |
| 23:05.59 | igcewieling1 | or get service from an ISP/ITSP which provides QoS for voice |
| 23:06.46 | igcewieling1 | not always an option and when it is an option it usually isn't the cheapest, but it tends to provide the most consistent voice quality |
| 23:06.46 | ChannelZ | Same for even non-voip traffic control; I deal with uploading lots of large big files (video) at work and if someone is grabbing something, even though I've got plenty of incoming bandwidth, I can barely read my email because my outgoing requests get stomped on by the remote person downloading |
| 23:07.32 | igcewieling1 | you can do tricks with TCP to sort of manage incoming data, but not with UDP |
| 23:08.18 | igcewieling1 | just block all UDP except for DNS to/from your upstream DNS servers 8-) |
| 23:08.43 | ageis | does Vonage not do SIP trunking? |
| 23:10.07 | igcewieling1 | ageis: What makes you think they would? |
| 23:10.35 | ageis | just coz they were selling VoIP heh |
| 23:11.06 | igcewieling1 | they are really selling "dialtone" the fact it uses IP is not something they want you to take advantage of |
| 23:12.04 | igcewieling1 | ageis: think of Vonage as the "Skype" if SIP. |
| 23:12.09 | igcewieling1 | s/if/of |
| 23:12.19 | ageis | gotcha |
| 23:12.45 | ageis | ever use VoIP.ms? I really like it |
| 23:12.58 | ageis | great rates and tons of features |
| 23:13.07 | igcewieling1 | nope. I signed up with Vitelity in 2002 and never considered anyone else, but my usage is VERY low. |
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| 23:25.56 | ageis | how do channels handle concurrent calls? is there a limit? |
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| 23:35.32 | igcewieling1 | I'm sure there is, but since I'm on a per-min plan it is likely a high limit |
| 23:35.57 | igcewieling1 | I'm sure there are much lower limits on their "unlimited" plans. |
| 23:37.16 | ChannelZ | Their basic plans are 2 channels I think |
| 23:38.39 | igcewieling1 | I use my Vitelity number for off-net test calls and test faxes and the occasional personal call. |
| 23:39.36 | ChannelZ | I use it for my home phone :) |
| 23:39.46 | igcewieling1 | ROFL! Customer expects their office to be wired (different vendor than us) and our FreePBX system, routers, and phones to be installed in one day. |
| 23:40.34 | igcewieling1 | I hate talking on the phone so I don't have much personal usage. |
| 23:40.49 | ChannelZ | me either |
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| 23:41.20 | ChannelZ | which is why it's a waste paying (then) Qwest nearly $40/mo for a simple, stupid POTS line with CallerID. Ridiculous |
| 23:42.00 | igcewieling1 | If someone REALLY MUST get on contact with me, they can call my cell phone, leave a message, and wait a month. |
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| 23:51.22 | ageis | igcewieling1: I'm wondering if channels correlate directly to calls. Can a channel handle multiple calls? |
| 23:51.57 | ageis | ChannelZ: u use Vitelity too? |
| 23:51.59 | ChannelZ | A connected call is a channel |
| 23:52.03 | ChannelZ | Yes |
| 23:52.31 | ageis | cool |
| 23:52.45 | ageis | VoicePulse is expensive and lacks features, so I'm looking at others. |
| 23:53.41 | ageis | SMS is a nice per |
| 23:53.43 | ageis | perk |
| 23:56.46 | igcewieling1 | All the cool kids use Viteliry. |
| 23:56.58 | ChannelZ | and viagra |
| 23:57.12 | ageis | igcewieling1: how is the panel, is it good? The website looks kinda simple. |
| 23:57.29 | igcewieling1 | the panel is basic, but functional. MUCH better than a year ago. |
| 23:57.56 | ageis | cool. |
| 23:58.17 | ageis | many trunk locatiosn available? what they got on the east coast? |
| 23:58.19 | igcewieling1 | I think their minimum load is $10 so it doesn't cost much if you decide you don't like them. |
| 23:58.21 | apb1963 | Minor pet peeve: Perk is actually spelled with a Q. Perq, is short for perquisite. APB1963 - helping the world with it's p's and q's, one letter at a time. |
| 23:59.09 | ageis | apb1963: noted :) |
| 23:59.32 | apb1963 | Thank you. This has been a public service announcement. |
| 23:59.46 | igcewieling1 | MW disagrees that "perk" is an incorrect spelling http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/perk |
